<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_13_2022232</id>
	<title>GPS Log Analysis Uncovers Millions In NYC Taxi Overcharges</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268472780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The NY Times reports that New York City's Taxi and Limousine Commission is using GPS data collected in every cab to review millions of trips in New York City over the past 26 months and has discovered a huge number in which <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/nyregion/13taxi.html">out-of-city rates, twice the rate charged for rides in the five boroughs, were improperly charged</a>. The drivers' scheme, the commission says, involved 1.8 million rides and cost passengers an average of $4 to $5 extra per trip when drivers flipped switches on their meters that kicked in the higher rates, costing New York City riders a total of $8.3 million. Cab drivers are supposed to charge the higher rate only when they cross the border between New York City and Nassau or Westchester. 'We have not seen anything quite this pervasive,' said Matthew W. Daus, the taxi and limousine commissioner. 'It's very disturbing.' The taxi industry vigorously challenged the city's findings, saying it was unimaginable that such a pervasive problem could be the result of deliberate fraud. The commission says that <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/ny\_local/2010/03/12/2010-03-12\_36000\_city\_cabbies\_overcharged\_by\_83m\_in\_widespread\_meter\_scam.html">75\% out of the city's 48,000 drivers had applied the higher rate at least once</a>. Officials hope to roll out a short-term fix in two or three weeks in which an alert will appear on the backseat monitor when a cabbie activates the out-of-town rate."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The NY Times reports that New York City 's Taxi and Limousine Commission is using GPS data collected in every cab to review millions of trips in New York City over the past 26 months and has discovered a huge number in which out-of-city rates , twice the rate charged for rides in the five boroughs , were improperly charged .
The drivers ' scheme , the commission says , involved 1.8 million rides and cost passengers an average of $ 4 to $ 5 extra per trip when drivers flipped switches on their meters that kicked in the higher rates , costing New York City riders a total of $ 8.3 million .
Cab drivers are supposed to charge the higher rate only when they cross the border between New York City and Nassau or Westchester .
'We have not seen anything quite this pervasive, ' said Matthew W. Daus , the taxi and limousine commissioner .
'It 's very disturbing .
' The taxi industry vigorously challenged the city 's findings , saying it was unimaginable that such a pervasive problem could be the result of deliberate fraud .
The commission says that 75 \ % out of the city 's 48,000 drivers had applied the higher rate at least once .
Officials hope to roll out a short-term fix in two or three weeks in which an alert will appear on the backseat monitor when a cabbie activates the out-of-town rate .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that New York City's Taxi and Limousine Commission is using GPS data collected in every cab to review millions of trips in New York City over the past 26 months and has discovered a huge number in which out-of-city rates, twice the rate charged for rides in the five boroughs, were improperly charged.
The drivers' scheme, the commission says, involved 1.8 million rides and cost passengers an average of $4 to $5 extra per trip when drivers flipped switches on their meters that kicked in the higher rates, costing New York City riders a total of $8.3 million.
Cab drivers are supposed to charge the higher rate only when they cross the border between New York City and Nassau or Westchester.
'We have not seen anything quite this pervasive,' said Matthew W. Daus, the taxi and limousine commissioner.
'It's very disturbing.
' The taxi industry vigorously challenged the city's findings, saying it was unimaginable that such a pervasive problem could be the result of deliberate fraud.
The commission says that 75\% out of the city's 48,000 drivers had applied the higher rate at least once.
Officials hope to roll out a short-term fix in two or three weeks in which an alert will appear on the backseat monitor when a cabbie activates the out-of-town rate.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467194</id>
	<title>Shorter Taxi Workers response</title>
	<author>Jay L</author>
	<datestamp>1268478960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this were a widespread scam, you'd have caught us at it by now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this were a widespread scam , you 'd have caught us at it by now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this were a widespread scam, you'd have caught us at it by now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31470532</id>
	<title>Fix: taxis should be metered only</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1268599080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Replace the antiquated system. Taxis should only ever be either a metered service paid according to the time/distance it takes to get from A to B, or a fixed pre-determined price. Zone-based systems and higher rates which the driver can tack on indiscriminately are begging for abuse. The only extra fees allowed should be for extra passengers (clearly shown on the meter), tolls and the like.</p><p>Here in Finland all taxis are metered, extras are clearly shown on the meter and I can see the meter at all times. There is only one metered rate. It would be very difficult to abuse the system although it's probably possible. Of course a metered system cannot prevent a taxi driver taking a longer route, but that does not seem to be an issue with NY taxis according to TFA. If you pay attention, you should know if the driver is taking a longer route. Know the route, Google maps is your friend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Replace the antiquated system .
Taxis should only ever be either a metered service paid according to the time/distance it takes to get from A to B , or a fixed pre-determined price .
Zone-based systems and higher rates which the driver can tack on indiscriminately are begging for abuse .
The only extra fees allowed should be for extra passengers ( clearly shown on the meter ) , tolls and the like.Here in Finland all taxis are metered , extras are clearly shown on the meter and I can see the meter at all times .
There is only one metered rate .
It would be very difficult to abuse the system although it 's probably possible .
Of course a metered system can not prevent a taxi driver taking a longer route , but that does not seem to be an issue with NY taxis according to TFA .
If you pay attention , you should know if the driver is taking a longer route .
Know the route , Google maps is your friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Replace the antiquated system.
Taxis should only ever be either a metered service paid according to the time/distance it takes to get from A to B, or a fixed pre-determined price.
Zone-based systems and higher rates which the driver can tack on indiscriminately are begging for abuse.
The only extra fees allowed should be for extra passengers (clearly shown on the meter), tolls and the like.Here in Finland all taxis are metered, extras are clearly shown on the meter and I can see the meter at all times.
There is only one metered rate.
It would be very difficult to abuse the system although it's probably possible.
Of course a metered system cannot prevent a taxi driver taking a longer route, but that does not seem to be an issue with NY taxis according to TFA.
If you pay attention, you should know if the driver is taking a longer route.
Know the route, Google maps is your friend.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31471286</id>
	<title>Jeez why so complicated ?</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1268569800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here around : 2 euro initial fare, then 1.3 euro day (1.7 night I think) inital kilometer, then 1.1 (1.5) after 10 kilometer up to 30 or 50 kilometer. You have to tell if you want to go much more than 50 kilometer. Night and day tarif are CLEARLY indicated. Why make such a complex thigns as zone, or urbain/suburbain tarif is beyond me unless it was set from the start to confuse people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here around : 2 euro initial fare , then 1.3 euro day ( 1.7 night I think ) inital kilometer , then 1.1 ( 1.5 ) after 10 kilometer up to 30 or 50 kilometer .
You have to tell if you want to go much more than 50 kilometer .
Night and day tarif are CLEARLY indicated .
Why make such a complex thigns as zone , or urbain/suburbain tarif is beyond me unless it was set from the start to confuse people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here around : 2 euro initial fare, then 1.3 euro day (1.7 night I think) inital kilometer, then 1.1 (1.5) after 10 kilometer up to 30 or 50 kilometer.
You have to tell if you want to go much more than 50 kilometer.
Night and day tarif are CLEARLY indicated.
Why make such a complex thigns as zone, or urbain/suburbain tarif is beyond me unless it was set from the start to confuse people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467128</id>
	<title>Sweet</title>
	<author>FShort</author>
	<datestamp>1268478360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That means I have a refund coming to me, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That means I have a refund coming to me , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That means I have a refund coming to me, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31472070</id>
	<title>Re:The Taxicab Story in Washington, DC</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1268581560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Panama, taxis in the capital are also on a zone system. But they also have special gringo fares. Make sure to find out what you're paying before you get in the cab...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Panama , taxis in the capital are also on a zone system .
But they also have special gringo fares .
Make sure to find out what you 're paying before you get in the cab.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Panama, taxis in the capital are also on a zone system.
But they also have special gringo fares.
Make sure to find out what you're paying before you get in the cab...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31469056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466948</id>
	<title>Lots of "unimaginable" things turn out to be true</title>
	<author>BlueBoxSW.com</author>
	<datestamp>1268477100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The holocaust. Lehman Brothers goes bankrupt. The US government selling arms to Iran to fund an illegal war in central america. Flu strains from 3 different species combine overnight to form the new H1N1. Man walks on the moon and returns to earth safely.</p><p>This, on the other hand, is easily imaginable.</p><p>Anyone here NOT ripped off once or twice by a taxi driver?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The holocaust .
Lehman Brothers goes bankrupt .
The US government selling arms to Iran to fund an illegal war in central america .
Flu strains from 3 different species combine overnight to form the new H1N1 .
Man walks on the moon and returns to earth safely.This , on the other hand , is easily imaginable.Anyone here NOT ripped off once or twice by a taxi driver ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The holocaust.
Lehman Brothers goes bankrupt.
The US government selling arms to Iran to fund an illegal war in central america.
Flu strains from 3 different species combine overnight to form the new H1N1.
Man walks on the moon and returns to earth safely.This, on the other hand, is easily imaginable.Anyone here NOT ripped off once or twice by a taxi driver?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467488</id>
	<title>Won't someone PLEASE think of the cabbies!</title>
	<author>VTEX</author>
	<datestamp>1268481300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Almost every cab driver in New York acts unethically.  As someone who lives in the city and takes cabs regularly, I can attest that 95\% of them attempt to scam you in some manner.  Sometimes they will take a longer route, sometimes they will add extra bogus fees, sometimes they will "forget" to turn on the meter.  They will try and friend you to get extra tips. Very often, they will try and complain that the credit card machine costs them money (despite the fact that the TLC increased fares specifically for them).  20\% of the time those credit card machines are "broken".

<br> <br>They almost always conveniently forget the flat fare rate from JFK to Manhattan.  One time, I was in a cab and someone cut the guy off - so the cabbie sped up and started yelling at him - needless to say I was not amused.  After telling a cab driver once we were making 3 stops, he refused to take us any further than the first stop - he was "on break".

<br> <br>This is an industry with a history of mob control and immoral behavior.  If it takes GPS to help put an end to these things - I'm all for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost every cab driver in New York acts unethically .
As someone who lives in the city and takes cabs regularly , I can attest that 95 \ % of them attempt to scam you in some manner .
Sometimes they will take a longer route , sometimes they will add extra bogus fees , sometimes they will " forget " to turn on the meter .
They will try and friend you to get extra tips .
Very often , they will try and complain that the credit card machine costs them money ( despite the fact that the TLC increased fares specifically for them ) .
20 \ % of the time those credit card machines are " broken " .
They almost always conveniently forget the flat fare rate from JFK to Manhattan .
One time , I was in a cab and someone cut the guy off - so the cabbie sped up and started yelling at him - needless to say I was not amused .
After telling a cab driver once we were making 3 stops , he refused to take us any further than the first stop - he was " on break " .
This is an industry with a history of mob control and immoral behavior .
If it takes GPS to help put an end to these things - I 'm all for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost every cab driver in New York acts unethically.
As someone who lives in the city and takes cabs regularly, I can attest that 95\% of them attempt to scam you in some manner.
Sometimes they will take a longer route, sometimes they will add extra bogus fees, sometimes they will "forget" to turn on the meter.
They will try and friend you to get extra tips.
Very often, they will try and complain that the credit card machine costs them money (despite the fact that the TLC increased fares specifically for them).
20\% of the time those credit card machines are "broken".
They almost always conveniently forget the flat fare rate from JFK to Manhattan.
One time, I was in a cab and someone cut the guy off - so the cabbie sped up and started yelling at him - needless to say I was not amused.
After telling a cab driver once we were making 3 stops, he refused to take us any further than the first stop - he was "on break".
This is an industry with a history of mob control and immoral behavior.
If it takes GPS to help put an end to these things - I'm all for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467812</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>bschorr</author>
	<datestamp>1268483580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It even pervades information services.  I wonder how many people get busted telling their boss or client they're working on Project A because they were on Twitter or Facebook talking about doing something totally different.<br><br>Accountability, for better or worse, is rising to a whole new level due to voluntary and involuntary location and presence services.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It even pervades information services .
I wonder how many people get busted telling their boss or client they 're working on Project A because they were on Twitter or Facebook talking about doing something totally different.Accountability , for better or worse , is rising to a whole new level due to voluntary and involuntary location and presence services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It even pervades information services.
I wonder how many people get busted telling their boss or client they're working on Project A because they were on Twitter or Facebook talking about doing something totally different.Accountability, for better or worse, is rising to a whole new level due to voluntary and involuntary location and presence services.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466962</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31470870</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>phoenix321</author>
	<datestamp>1268562360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take it that you've never had a real job in the real economy then. You're not only being spied upon by email, phone and some by video camera, but your boss can always come around the corner monitoring you, your performance, your outfit and even the number of flairs on your clothing.</p><p>A taxi driver has none of that: the boss is several hours of traffic jam away, there are no coworkers present to exert social pressure to work like anyone else and what the driver wears, or listens to is (almost) completely free to choose, even when the customer is present.</p><p>That work environment must sound like Dreamland Utopia to some cubicle farmers or burger flippers. It does to me, so I don't cut them their slack since they have enough already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it that you 've never had a real job in the real economy then .
You 're not only being spied upon by email , phone and some by video camera , but your boss can always come around the corner monitoring you , your performance , your outfit and even the number of flairs on your clothing.A taxi driver has none of that : the boss is several hours of traffic jam away , there are no coworkers present to exert social pressure to work like anyone else and what the driver wears , or listens to is ( almost ) completely free to choose , even when the customer is present.That work environment must sound like Dreamland Utopia to some cubicle farmers or burger flippers .
It does to me , so I do n't cut them their slack since they have enough already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it that you've never had a real job in the real economy then.
You're not only being spied upon by email, phone and some by video camera, but your boss can always come around the corner monitoring you, your performance, your outfit and even the number of flairs on your clothing.A taxi driver has none of that: the boss is several hours of traffic jam away, there are no coworkers present to exert social pressure to work like anyone else and what the driver wears, or listens to is (almost) completely free to choose, even when the customer is present.That work environment must sound like Dreamland Utopia to some cubicle farmers or burger flippers.
It does to me, so I don't cut them their slack since they have enough already.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467908</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467730</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268482920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cab driving should not be a good job.  Unskilled labor anyone could do.</p><p>Your post reeks of wealth redistribution</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cab driving should not be a good job .
Unskilled labor anyone could do.Your post reeks of wealth redistribution</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cab driving should not be a good job.
Unskilled labor anyone could do.Your post reeks of wealth redistribution</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466962</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467268</id>
	<title>Re:Perhaps related to medallion cost?</title>
	<author>jedrek</author>
	<datestamp>1268479740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only effect that delimiting the number of medallions in play would have is a decimation of the livelihood of taxi drivers. Prices are fixed, so nothing would be gained from increasing competition. There would just be a lot more drivers trying to service the same number of riders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only effect that delimiting the number of medallions in play would have is a decimation of the livelihood of taxi drivers .
Prices are fixed , so nothing would be gained from increasing competition .
There would just be a lot more drivers trying to service the same number of riders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only effect that delimiting the number of medallions in play would have is a decimation of the livelihood of taxi drivers.
Prices are fixed, so nothing would be gained from increasing competition.
There would just be a lot more drivers trying to service the same number of riders.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466974</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467080</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>magsol</author>
	<datestamp>1268478000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had always assumed the cab industry in New York was so saturated with competition and so decentralized that price fixing like this wouldn't be possible; everyone would have to charge essentially the same rates or risk being driven (literally and figuratively) out of business.<br> <br>

Apparently, it can happen anywhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had always assumed the cab industry in New York was so saturated with competition and so decentralized that price fixing like this would n't be possible ; everyone would have to charge essentially the same rates or risk being driven ( literally and figuratively ) out of business .
Apparently , it can happen anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had always assumed the cab industry in New York was so saturated with competition and so decentralized that price fixing like this wouldn't be possible; everyone would have to charge essentially the same rates or risk being driven (literally and figuratively) out of business.
Apparently, it can happen anywhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466878</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466904</id>
	<title>And how many stores...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268476800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how many stores called Bloomingdale's are there in New York?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how many stores called Bloomingdale 's are there in New York ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how many stores called Bloomingdale's are there in New York?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466962</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1268477160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a tricky point for me.</p><p>As our information collection gets better, hidden income sources get eliminated.<br>Then the question becomes- does the "honest" rate really need to be raised?</p><p>For example- truck drivers used to be expected to make 8 stops and were paid 8x dollars.</p><p>Once GPS came in, suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops (because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes) and work 100\% while on.  But the pay is still 8x dollars.</p><p>I wonder if there is a correlation between how much the out of town rate was activated and how slow a day the driver was having?</p><p>Our drivers in Houston are certainly not retiring wealthy (unlike some of our police sergeants).  Cab driving should provide a decent living and with government intervention in rates, that can be tricky at times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a tricky point for me.As our information collection gets better , hidden income sources get eliminated.Then the question becomes- does the " honest " rate really need to be raised ? For example- truck drivers used to be expected to make 8 stops and were paid 8x dollars.Once GPS came in , suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops ( because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes ) and work 100 \ % while on .
But the pay is still 8x dollars.I wonder if there is a correlation between how much the out of town rate was activated and how slow a day the driver was having ? Our drivers in Houston are certainly not retiring wealthy ( unlike some of our police sergeants ) .
Cab driving should provide a decent living and with government intervention in rates , that can be tricky at times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a tricky point for me.As our information collection gets better, hidden income sources get eliminated.Then the question becomes- does the "honest" rate really need to be raised?For example- truck drivers used to be expected to make 8 stops and were paid 8x dollars.Once GPS came in, suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops (because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes) and work 100\% while on.
But the pay is still 8x dollars.I wonder if there is a correlation between how much the out of town rate was activated and how slow a day the driver was having?Our drivers in Houston are certainly not retiring wealthy (unlike some of our police sergeants).
Cab driving should provide a decent living and with government intervention in rates, that can be tricky at times.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467342</id>
	<title>... and this is news how?</title>
	<author>Miser</author>
	<datestamp>1268480280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Businesses (and in this case people) rip people off.  It happens all the time.</p><p>Nothing to see here, move along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Businesses ( and in this case people ) rip people off .
It happens all the time.Nothing to see here , move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Businesses (and in this case people) rip people off.
It happens all the time.Nothing to see here, move along.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31470458</id>
	<title>Let Indian Auto-rickshaw drivers train them</title>
	<author>fly1ngtux</author>
	<datestamp>1268597820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After seeing this, I made post about our 'honest' auto drivers in India who (mostly) do not cheat at all! I have made the entry at my blog, <a href="http://sarin.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!84A33C7E2C38DB8A!309.entry" title="live.com" rel="nofollow">http://sarin.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!84A33C7E2C38DB8A!309.entry</a> [live.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>After seeing this , I made post about our 'honest ' auto drivers in India who ( mostly ) do not cheat at all !
I have made the entry at my blog , http : //sarin.spaces.live.com/blog/cns ! 84A33C7E2C38DB8A ! 309.entry [ live.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After seeing this, I made post about our 'honest' auto drivers in India who (mostly) do not cheat at all!
I have made the entry at my blog, http://sarin.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!84A33C7E2C38DB8A!309.entry [live.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31470944</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>phoenix321</author>
	<datestamp>1268563200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A regular race to the bottom.</p><p>Truck drivers are subject to a whole lot of pressure from their employers, since the employers themselves are under pressure in that race.</p><p>Unless some of the drivers stand up for their values and just takes a stop to take a pee, the "average number of stops" is decreasing further, meaning the pay cut for stopping is getting worse.</p><p>It's always easy to put the blame on "large institutions", "greedy capitalists", "the society" but much harder to offer constructive solutions. Everything I've heard to date includes government pressure, government laws, government this and government that.</p><p>Truckers that discard plastic pee bottles are greedy themselves, or they would accept the small pay cut for doing it properly. But in this case, it's easy enough: at the next gas station, stop the truck, get out of the cab, get to the loo, do your thing, get back in the cab and ride on. 2 minutes maximum. 5 minutes when having a quick cup of coffee afterwards. How much is the pay cut for that? And why don't people stand up for that and just do what is right?</p><p>Most truck drivers must know a ton of violations of laws from their employers, from riding double-shifts sometimes to having been issued and forced to a vehicle damaged enough to be technically unfit to even stand at a public parking lot. Wrongfully terminated employees tend to rat out their employers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A regular race to the bottom.Truck drivers are subject to a whole lot of pressure from their employers , since the employers themselves are under pressure in that race.Unless some of the drivers stand up for their values and just takes a stop to take a pee , the " average number of stops " is decreasing further , meaning the pay cut for stopping is getting worse.It 's always easy to put the blame on " large institutions " , " greedy capitalists " , " the society " but much harder to offer constructive solutions .
Everything I 've heard to date includes government pressure , government laws , government this and government that.Truckers that discard plastic pee bottles are greedy themselves , or they would accept the small pay cut for doing it properly .
But in this case , it 's easy enough : at the next gas station , stop the truck , get out of the cab , get to the loo , do your thing , get back in the cab and ride on .
2 minutes maximum .
5 minutes when having a quick cup of coffee afterwards .
How much is the pay cut for that ?
And why do n't people stand up for that and just do what is right ? Most truck drivers must know a ton of violations of laws from their employers , from riding double-shifts sometimes to having been issued and forced to a vehicle damaged enough to be technically unfit to even stand at a public parking lot .
Wrongfully terminated employees tend to rat out their employers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A regular race to the bottom.Truck drivers are subject to a whole lot of pressure from their employers, since the employers themselves are under pressure in that race.Unless some of the drivers stand up for their values and just takes a stop to take a pee, the "average number of stops" is decreasing further, meaning the pay cut for stopping is getting worse.It's always easy to put the blame on "large institutions", "greedy capitalists", "the society" but much harder to offer constructive solutions.
Everything I've heard to date includes government pressure, government laws, government this and government that.Truckers that discard plastic pee bottles are greedy themselves, or they would accept the small pay cut for doing it properly.
But in this case, it's easy enough: at the next gas station, stop the truck, get out of the cab, get to the loo, do your thing, get back in the cab and ride on.
2 minutes maximum.
5 minutes when having a quick cup of coffee afterwards.
How much is the pay cut for that?
And why don't people stand up for that and just do what is right?Most truck drivers must know a ton of violations of laws from their employers, from riding double-shifts sometimes to having been issued and forced to a vehicle damaged enough to be technically unfit to even stand at a public parking lot.
Wrongfully terminated employees tend to rat out their employers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31470434</id>
	<title>Re:Won't someone PLEASE think of the cabbies!</title>
	<author>tg123</author>
	<datestamp>1268597340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Almost every cab driver in New York acts unethically.  As someone who lives in the city and takes cabs regularly, I can attest that 95\% of them attempt to scam you in some manner</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>This is an industry with a history of mob control and immoral behavior.  If it takes GPS to help put an end to these things - I'm all for it.</p></div><p>
For the Taxi drivers they get such a small wage that the only way to make a living is to lie and cheat.
</p><p>The one country that is the exception is  Japan.
</p><p>
In Japan I regularly had taxi drivers stopping the meter because they had made a mistake or had to get instructions on how to get a particular place.
</p><p>
The Taxi industry treats drivers like machines. If that machine doesn't make money they don't get paid.
</p><p>
The system needs to be fairer and taxi drivers need to get paid a fair wage.
</p><p>

ie.  for taxi drivers in york .  "...drivers take home $18,000 to $22,000 a year<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."

<a href="http://www.schallerconsult.com/taxi/taxi1.htm" title="schallerconsult.com">http://www.schallerconsult.com/taxi/taxi1.htm</a> [schallerconsult.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost every cab driver in New York acts unethically .
As someone who lives in the city and takes cabs regularly , I can attest that 95 \ % of them attempt to scam you in some mannerThis is an industry with a history of mob control and immoral behavior .
If it takes GPS to help put an end to these things - I 'm all for it .
For the Taxi drivers they get such a small wage that the only way to make a living is to lie and cheat .
The one country that is the exception is Japan .
In Japan I regularly had taxi drivers stopping the meter because they had made a mistake or had to get instructions on how to get a particular place .
The Taxi industry treats drivers like machines .
If that machine does n't make money they do n't get paid .
The system needs to be fairer and taxi drivers need to get paid a fair wage .
ie. for taxi drivers in york .
" ...drivers take home $ 18,000 to $ 22,000 a year ... " http : //www.schallerconsult.com/taxi/taxi1.htm [ schallerconsult.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost every cab driver in New York acts unethically.
As someone who lives in the city and takes cabs regularly, I can attest that 95\% of them attempt to scam you in some mannerThis is an industry with a history of mob control and immoral behavior.
If it takes GPS to help put an end to these things - I'm all for it.
For the Taxi drivers they get such a small wage that the only way to make a living is to lie and cheat.
The one country that is the exception is  Japan.
In Japan I regularly had taxi drivers stopping the meter because they had made a mistake or had to get instructions on how to get a particular place.
The Taxi industry treats drivers like machines.
If that machine doesn't make money they don't get paid.
The system needs to be fairer and taxi drivers need to get paid a fair wage.
ie.  for taxi drivers in york .
"...drivers take home $18,000 to $22,000 a year ..."

http://www.schallerconsult.com/taxi/taxi1.htm [schallerconsult.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31471258</id>
	<title>Hohum!</title>
	<author>BigBadBus</author>
	<datestamp>1268569380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now theres a surprise! Does this story qualify for a "No shit, Sherlock" prize?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now theres a surprise !
Does this story qualify for a " No shit , Sherlock " prize ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now theres a surprise!
Does this story qualify for a "No shit, Sherlock" prize?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467908</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1268484360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is, until the stress associated with being spied on all the time makes the drivers surly and accident prone. You'll notice that executives never get spied on to make sure they're REALLY making business deals while golfing.</p><p>Human beings are not 100\% efficient. Try to make them so and something will eventually fail spectacularly.</p><p>The world is a better place when everyone gets a little slack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is , until the stress associated with being spied on all the time makes the drivers surly and accident prone .
You 'll notice that executives never get spied on to make sure they 're REALLY making business deals while golfing.Human beings are not 100 \ % efficient .
Try to make them so and something will eventually fail spectacularly.The world is a better place when everyone gets a little slack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is, until the stress associated with being spied on all the time makes the drivers surly and accident prone.
You'll notice that executives never get spied on to make sure they're REALLY making business deals while golfing.Human beings are not 100\% efficient.
Try to make them so and something will eventually fail spectacularly.The world is a better place when everyone gets a little slack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467126</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268478360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>no, it's called effiency. just because drivers don't get to sit around for 20 mins extra per day it doesn't equate to a pay rise. if we didn't constantly get more efficent in this manner inflation would spiral out of control as everything got more expensive everytime you got people to work smarter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>no , it 's called effiency .
just because drivers do n't get to sit around for 20 mins extra per day it does n't equate to a pay rise .
if we did n't constantly get more efficent in this manner inflation would spiral out of control as everything got more expensive everytime you got people to work smarter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, it's called effiency.
just because drivers don't get to sit around for 20 mins extra per day it doesn't equate to a pay rise.
if we didn't constantly get more efficent in this manner inflation would spiral out of control as everything got more expensive everytime you got people to work smarter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467066</id>
	<title>I'm shocked!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268477940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taxi Driver rips off consumer, news at 11</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taxi Driver rips off consumer , news at 11</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taxi Driver rips off consumer, news at 11</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467810</id>
	<title>Explains a lot</title>
	<author>jonnat</author>
	<datestamp>1268483580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That certainly explains why NY cab drivers threatened to go on strike when the City mandated GPS devices in each car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That certainly explains why NY cab drivers threatened to go on strike when the City mandated GPS devices in each car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That certainly explains why NY cab drivers threatened to go on strike when the City mandated GPS devices in each car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468432</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>quantaman</author>
	<datestamp>1268488380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is a tricky point for me.</p><p>As our information collection gets better, hidden income sources get eliminated.<br>Then the question becomes- does the "honest" rate really need to be raised?</p></div><p>Yes.</p><p>If the "honest" rate is too low, and the only way to make money is by being dishonest, than only the dishonest will work in that field. That's a situation I'd rather discourage than encourage.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>For example- truck drivers used to be expected to make 8 stops and were paid 8x dollars.</p><p>Once GPS came in, suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops (because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes) and work 100\% while on.  But the pay is still 8x dollars.</p><p>I wonder if there is a correlation between how much the out of town rate was activated and how slow a day the driver was having?</p><p>Our drivers in Houston are certainly not retiring wealthy (unlike some of our police sergeants).  Cab driving should provide a decent living and with government intervention in rates, that can be tricky at times.</p></div><p>If not idling reduces their job satisfaction that much than fewer people will drive trucks, and eventually they'll have to raise wages to attract more drivers.</p><p>If not idling didn't actually reduce their job satisfaction... Well then what's the problem? More work is getting done and no one is any less happy, it's good for everyone!</p><p>Note the cab drivers aren't idiots, if they can't make a living at the given rates than they simply won't drive cabs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a tricky point for me.As our information collection gets better , hidden income sources get eliminated.Then the question becomes- does the " honest " rate really need to be raised ? Yes.If the " honest " rate is too low , and the only way to make money is by being dishonest , than only the dishonest will work in that field .
That 's a situation I 'd rather discourage than encourage.For example- truck drivers used to be expected to make 8 stops and were paid 8x dollars.Once GPS came in , suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops ( because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes ) and work 100 \ % while on .
But the pay is still 8x dollars.I wonder if there is a correlation between how much the out of town rate was activated and how slow a day the driver was having ? Our drivers in Houston are certainly not retiring wealthy ( unlike some of our police sergeants ) .
Cab driving should provide a decent living and with government intervention in rates , that can be tricky at times.If not idling reduces their job satisfaction that much than fewer people will drive trucks , and eventually they 'll have to raise wages to attract more drivers.If not idling did n't actually reduce their job satisfaction... Well then what 's the problem ?
More work is getting done and no one is any less happy , it 's good for everyone ! Note the cab drivers are n't idiots , if they ca n't make a living at the given rates than they simply wo n't drive cabs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a tricky point for me.As our information collection gets better, hidden income sources get eliminated.Then the question becomes- does the "honest" rate really need to be raised?Yes.If the "honest" rate is too low, and the only way to make money is by being dishonest, than only the dishonest will work in that field.
That's a situation I'd rather discourage than encourage.For example- truck drivers used to be expected to make 8 stops and were paid 8x dollars.Once GPS came in, suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops (because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes) and work 100\% while on.
But the pay is still 8x dollars.I wonder if there is a correlation between how much the out of town rate was activated and how slow a day the driver was having?Our drivers in Houston are certainly not retiring wealthy (unlike some of our police sergeants).
Cab driving should provide a decent living and with government intervention in rates, that can be tricky at times.If not idling reduces their job satisfaction that much than fewer people will drive trucks, and eventually they'll have to raise wages to attract more drivers.If not idling didn't actually reduce their job satisfaction... Well then what's the problem?
More work is getting done and no one is any less happy, it's good for everyone!Note the cab drivers aren't idiots, if they can't make a living at the given rates than they simply won't drive cabs.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466880</id>
	<title>Very easy fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268476680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Require the use of GPS to automatically set the advertised rates at the correct points.  Don't let the drivers flick the switch themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Require the use of GPS to automatically set the advertised rates at the correct points .
Do n't let the drivers flick the switch themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Require the use of GPS to automatically set the advertised rates at the correct points.
Don't let the drivers flick the switch themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466970</id>
	<title>cool</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1268477220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good, keep those tourist dollars flowing into the city economy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good , keep those tourist dollars flowing into the city economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good, keep those tourist dollars flowing into the city economy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467042</id>
	<title>Just $4-5 overcharge?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268477700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously not good, but I don't think Taxi drivers are earning 6 figure incomes and certainly not getting rich. I mean, compared to what health care insurers do, credit cards company tactics, wallstreet bonus and the recession, I hope going after the little guys gets the least priority.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously not good , but I do n't think Taxi drivers are earning 6 figure incomes and certainly not getting rich .
I mean , compared to what health care insurers do , credit cards company tactics , wallstreet bonus and the recession , I hope going after the little guys gets the least priority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously not good, but I don't think Taxi drivers are earning 6 figure incomes and certainly not getting rich.
I mean, compared to what health care insurers do, credit cards company tactics, wallstreet bonus and the recession, I hope going after the little guys gets the least priority.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467542</id>
	<title>People don't pay admission charge for nothing ...</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268481660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So saturated with competition that people -- mostly investors -- think it's worth it to pay upwards of a quarter million dollars (more than 400k, says Wikipedia!) and go through generally onerous licensing for a medallion?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>When demand is high, and so are barriers to entry, you can bet those who have made it *over* the barriers aren't as constrained by competition as you'd prefer (as a customer).</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs\_of\_New\_York\_City#Medallion\_taxicabs\_and\_livery\_taxicabs" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs\_of\_New\_York\_City#Medallion\_taxicabs\_and\_livery\_taxicabs</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Think "Casino operator license." The Governor of Louisiana didn't go to jail because limited-entry business licenses are beneficial to society<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin\_Edwards" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin\_Edwards</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>(And it's very kind of the bureaucrats to "turn a blind eye" to the unlicensed drivers who provide taxi service at their own legal risk in areas where the regulated cabs quite rationally won't go.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So saturated with competition that people -- mostly investors -- think it 's worth it to pay upwards of a quarter million dollars ( more than 400k , says Wikipedia !
) and go through generally onerous licensing for a medallion ?
: ) When demand is high , and so are barriers to entry , you can bet those who have made it * over * the barriers are n't as constrained by competition as you 'd prefer ( as a customer ) .http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs \ _of \ _New \ _York \ _City # Medallion \ _taxicabs \ _and \ _livery \ _taxicabs [ wikipedia.org ] Think " Casino operator license .
" The Governor of Louisiana did n't go to jail because limited-entry business licenses are beneficial to society ; ) - http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin \ _Edwards [ wikipedia.org ] ( And it 's very kind of the bureaucrats to " turn a blind eye " to the unlicensed drivers who provide taxi service at their own legal risk in areas where the regulated cabs quite rationally wo n't go .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So saturated with competition that people -- mostly investors -- think it's worth it to pay upwards of a quarter million dollars (more than 400k, says Wikipedia!
) and go through generally onerous licensing for a medallion?
:)When demand is high, and so are barriers to entry, you can bet those who have made it *over* the barriers aren't as constrained by competition as you'd prefer (as a customer).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs\_of\_New\_York\_City#Medallion\_taxicabs\_and\_livery\_taxicabs [wikipedia.org]Think "Casino operator license.
" The Governor of Louisiana didn't go to jail because limited-entry business licenses are beneficial to society ;) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin\_Edwards [wikipedia.org](And it's very kind of the bureaucrats to "turn a blind eye" to the unlicensed drivers who provide taxi service at their own legal risk in areas where the regulated cabs quite rationally won't go.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31470502</id>
	<title>Re:Who is surprised?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268598420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What taxi drivers are taught:<br>Set higher rate unless you know them. If comment, oh, that must be from last job.<br>If stupid passenger - take em pretty direct.<br>Don't pick up passengers who<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or from certain spots. Avoid disabled or trannies.<br>If you are high or drunk, don't expect the right change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What taxi drivers are taught : Set higher rate unless you know them .
If comment , oh , that must be from last job.If stupid passenger - take em pretty direct.Do n't pick up passengers who ... or from certain spots .
Avoid disabled or trannies.If you are high or drunk , do n't expect the right change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What taxi drivers are taught:Set higher rate unless you know them.
If comment, oh, that must be from last job.If stupid passenger - take em pretty direct.Don't pick up passengers who ... or from certain spots.
Avoid disabled or trannies.If you are high or drunk, don't expect the right change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468580</id>
	<title>Free for all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268489640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a free for all to get ripped off, until every aspect of peoples lives are tracked. Then you'll know what people are tipping short. Who's been short changed. It won't be so bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a free for all to get ripped off , until every aspect of peoples lives are tracked .
Then you 'll know what people are tipping short .
Who 's been short changed .
It wo n't be so bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a free for all to get ripped off, until every aspect of peoples lives are tracked.
Then you'll know what people are tipping short.
Who's been short changed.
It won't be so bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31631958</id>
	<title>Re:Won't someone PLEASE think of the cabbies!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269595920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can attest that 95\% of them attempt to scam you in some manner<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>They will try and friend you to get extra tips.</p></div><p>How diabolical!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can attest that 95 \ % of them attempt to scam you in some manner ....They will try and friend you to get extra tips.How diabolical !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can attest that 95\% of them attempt to scam you in some manner ....They will try and friend you to get extra tips.How diabolical!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31469056</id>
	<title>The Taxicab Story in Washington, DC</title>
	<author>GTarrant</author>
	<datestamp>1268494020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Washington, DC, taxicabs used to charge via a "zone" system - it didn't matter how far you went (necessarily) - the city was divided into multiple "zones", and the rate was charged based on how many zones you had to travel through to get to your destination.<br><br>People (particularly tourists) complained about this system because it didn't make complete sense and a tourist, or even just someone not familiar with the zone map, wasn't going to be able to look at the map and see where the zone boundaries were.  As an example, if I was in a hurry, I could take a taxi from my home, to work.  The total was 3 zones (with a minimum, of course, of 1).  However, if I walked 1 block south from home, hailed a taxi, and had it drop me off 1 block north of work, it would be 1 zone.  That would save a good percentage of the cab fare.<br><br>However, a tourist getting in the car would have no idea - furthermore, if a tourist was being dropped off, say, right near a border, if the cabbie says "Hey, traffic is bad here, mind if I drop you off across the street?" most people would say "OK", figuring that in most cities, that's probably nothing, or maybe an extra quarter or so.  In DC, it could be an extra $2.<br><br>A little over a year ago DC switched to a metered taxi system, as mandated by Congress.  Prior to the switchover, taxi drivers in DC went on strike, saying they'd lose significant money in a switch, despite the fact that the rates were set such that the average metered trip would actually net more for the driver than the old zone system would - but only under the assumption (which the people setting the rates were using) that the zone system was being used fairly and customers were not being diverted, sometimes only short distances, in order to add zones (sometimes, near zone borders, moving a few blocks could be two extra zones!).<br><br>You'd get a constant circle:<br><br>Taxi Driver Committee Representative: "We'll lose tons of money switching to meters!"<br><br>Taxicab Commission: "But under this new system, a driver would actually be getting more money on an average trip than before, unless they were routinely cheating customers in a way the new system would prevent.  Look, we'll open the books to you, examine the whole thing."<br><br>Taxi Driver Committee Representative: "Ah.  I see.  We, of course, have never cheated anyone.  But notwithstanding that, we'll lose tons of money!"<br><br>The change took place anyway, and the world hasn't ended, although the data does seem to reflect that cabdrivers are making less than before, yet somehow the data also shows that they're making more per trip than before.  How?  Because before they were manipulating the system to charge more.<br><br>I doubt this is any different.  Most people in the cab in NYC aren't going to notice if the fare is $X or $X+4, unless they're a native.  Just like I could tell my cabdriver in DC "No, drop me off here" whenever they tried to move an extra block near a zone boundary, a native might catch it.  But someone unfamiliar?  No.  Thus, I'm going to side with the GPS on this one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Washington , DC , taxicabs used to charge via a " zone " system - it did n't matter how far you went ( necessarily ) - the city was divided into multiple " zones " , and the rate was charged based on how many zones you had to travel through to get to your destination.People ( particularly tourists ) complained about this system because it did n't make complete sense and a tourist , or even just someone not familiar with the zone map , was n't going to be able to look at the map and see where the zone boundaries were .
As an example , if I was in a hurry , I could take a taxi from my home , to work .
The total was 3 zones ( with a minimum , of course , of 1 ) .
However , if I walked 1 block south from home , hailed a taxi , and had it drop me off 1 block north of work , it would be 1 zone .
That would save a good percentage of the cab fare.However , a tourist getting in the car would have no idea - furthermore , if a tourist was being dropped off , say , right near a border , if the cabbie says " Hey , traffic is bad here , mind if I drop you off across the street ?
" most people would say " OK " , figuring that in most cities , that 's probably nothing , or maybe an extra quarter or so .
In DC , it could be an extra $ 2.A little over a year ago DC switched to a metered taxi system , as mandated by Congress .
Prior to the switchover , taxi drivers in DC went on strike , saying they 'd lose significant money in a switch , despite the fact that the rates were set such that the average metered trip would actually net more for the driver than the old zone system would - but only under the assumption ( which the people setting the rates were using ) that the zone system was being used fairly and customers were not being diverted , sometimes only short distances , in order to add zones ( sometimes , near zone borders , moving a few blocks could be two extra zones !
) .You 'd get a constant circle : Taxi Driver Committee Representative : " We 'll lose tons of money switching to meters !
" Taxicab Commission : " But under this new system , a driver would actually be getting more money on an average trip than before , unless they were routinely cheating customers in a way the new system would prevent .
Look , we 'll open the books to you , examine the whole thing .
" Taxi Driver Committee Representative : " Ah .
I see .
We , of course , have never cheated anyone .
But notwithstanding that , we 'll lose tons of money !
" The change took place anyway , and the world has n't ended , although the data does seem to reflect that cabdrivers are making less than before , yet somehow the data also shows that they 're making more per trip than before .
How ? Because before they were manipulating the system to charge more.I doubt this is any different .
Most people in the cab in NYC are n't going to notice if the fare is $ X or $ X + 4 , unless they 're a native .
Just like I could tell my cabdriver in DC " No , drop me off here " whenever they tried to move an extra block near a zone boundary , a native might catch it .
But someone unfamiliar ?
No. Thus , I 'm going to side with the GPS on this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Washington, DC, taxicabs used to charge via a "zone" system - it didn't matter how far you went (necessarily) - the city was divided into multiple "zones", and the rate was charged based on how many zones you had to travel through to get to your destination.People (particularly tourists) complained about this system because it didn't make complete sense and a tourist, or even just someone not familiar with the zone map, wasn't going to be able to look at the map and see where the zone boundaries were.
As an example, if I was in a hurry, I could take a taxi from my home, to work.
The total was 3 zones (with a minimum, of course, of 1).
However, if I walked 1 block south from home, hailed a taxi, and had it drop me off 1 block north of work, it would be 1 zone.
That would save a good percentage of the cab fare.However, a tourist getting in the car would have no idea - furthermore, if a tourist was being dropped off, say, right near a border, if the cabbie says "Hey, traffic is bad here, mind if I drop you off across the street?
" most people would say "OK", figuring that in most cities, that's probably nothing, or maybe an extra quarter or so.
In DC, it could be an extra $2.A little over a year ago DC switched to a metered taxi system, as mandated by Congress.
Prior to the switchover, taxi drivers in DC went on strike, saying they'd lose significant money in a switch, despite the fact that the rates were set such that the average metered trip would actually net more for the driver than the old zone system would - but only under the assumption (which the people setting the rates were using) that the zone system was being used fairly and customers were not being diverted, sometimes only short distances, in order to add zones (sometimes, near zone borders, moving a few blocks could be two extra zones!
).You'd get a constant circle:Taxi Driver Committee Representative: "We'll lose tons of money switching to meters!
"Taxicab Commission: "But under this new system, a driver would actually be getting more money on an average trip than before, unless they were routinely cheating customers in a way the new system would prevent.
Look, we'll open the books to you, examine the whole thing.
"Taxi Driver Committee Representative: "Ah.
I see.
We, of course, have never cheated anyone.
But notwithstanding that, we'll lose tons of money!
"The change took place anyway, and the world hasn't ended, although the data does seem to reflect that cabdrivers are making less than before, yet somehow the data also shows that they're making more per trip than before.
How?  Because before they were manipulating the system to charge more.I doubt this is any different.
Most people in the cab in NYC aren't going to notice if the fare is $X or $X+4, unless they're a native.
Just like I could tell my cabdriver in DC "No, drop me off here" whenever they tried to move an extra block near a zone boundary, a native might catch it.
But someone unfamiliar?
No.  Thus, I'm going to side with the GPS on this one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468498</id>
	<title>Just to balance things out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268488860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe some of them are cheating and maybe there are mistakes. But what I find interesting is that we're looking at eight million dollars over two years. given the population of New York City, that's around, what, $0.50 per person, per year? I drop more change than that on the sidewalk in the run of a year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe some of them are cheating and maybe there are mistakes .
But what I find interesting is that we 're looking at eight million dollars over two years .
given the population of New York City , that 's around , what , $ 0.50 per person , per year ?
I drop more change than that on the sidewalk in the run of a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe some of them are cheating and maybe there are mistakes.
But what I find interesting is that we're looking at eight million dollars over two years.
given the population of New York City, that's around, what, $0.50 per person, per year?
I drop more change than that on the sidewalk in the run of a year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31469850</id>
	<title>Re:logic fail</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1268502600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cabbies are honest by their own standards.</p><p>Stealing someone's diamond or someone's cash would be wrong.</p><p>Boosting the daily fares up a fair wage isn't wrong.</p><p>(I mean.. come on- they make $50k in a town where $126k has the same purchasing power as making $50k in Houston.  So $50k is like earning about under $25k-- i.e. near poverty if not below).</p><p>When they start to retire rich like the Wall Street folks I'll feel a little differently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cabbies are honest by their own standards.Stealing someone 's diamond or someone 's cash would be wrong.Boosting the daily fares up a fair wage is n't wrong .
( I mean.. come on- they make $ 50k in a town where $ 126k has the same purchasing power as making $ 50k in Houston .
So $ 50k is like earning about under $ 25k-- i.e .
near poverty if not below ) .When they start to retire rich like the Wall Street folks I 'll feel a little differently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cabbies are honest by their own standards.Stealing someone's diamond or someone's cash would be wrong.Boosting the daily fares up a fair wage isn't wrong.
(I mean.. come on- they make $50k in a town where $126k has the same purchasing power as making $50k in Houston.
So $50k is like earning about under $25k-- i.e.
near poverty if not below).When they start to retire rich like the Wall Street folks I'll feel a little differently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467134</id>
	<title>BB at its max</title>
	<author>Jorl17</author>
	<datestamp>1268478480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As much as I found this info extremely useful and disturbing, I also find it utterly disgusting that "Big Brother" is becoming more and more of a reality...<br> <br>What's next?, laying cameras in to see if they have their seat-belts on? Damn happy I don't live there...</htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I found this info extremely useful and disturbing , I also find it utterly disgusting that " Big Brother " is becoming more and more of a reality... What 's next ? , laying cameras in to see if they have their seat-belts on ?
Damn happy I do n't live there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I found this info extremely useful and disturbing, I also find it utterly disgusting that "Big Brother" is becoming more and more of a reality... What's next?, laying cameras in to see if they have their seat-belts on?
Damn happy I don't live there...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31469556</id>
	<title>Re:1.8 million incidents out of 360 million trips</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1268499180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable</p></div><p>How many opportunities do they get to make this "mistake"? If it's also 1 in 200, then there might well be a problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonableHow many opportunities do they get to make this " mistake " ?
If it 's also 1 in 200 , then there might well be a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonableHow many opportunities do they get to make this "mistake"?
If it's also 1 in 200, then there might well be a problem.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466968</id>
	<title>logic fail</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1268477220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Bhairavi Desai, head of the New York Taxi Workers Alliance, said the charges of rampant thievery defied logic. The new GPS technology and meters installed in every cab are the problem, not the solution, she said.</p></div></blockquote><p> In other words, the problem isn't defrauding customers, it's getting caught.</p><blockquote><div><p>"This is a workforce that's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind," Desai said. "To be told the same workforce is ripping off passengers for four dollars and change each ride just doesn't match."</p></div></blockquote><p> "we have you on tape shoplifting a candy bar at the store but you've been trustworthy before so it doesn't match up."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bhairavi Desai , head of the New York Taxi Workers Alliance , said the charges of rampant thievery defied logic .
The new GPS technology and meters installed in every cab are the problem , not the solution , she said .
In other words , the problem is n't defrauding customers , it 's getting caught .
" This is a workforce that 's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind , " Desai said .
" To be told the same workforce is ripping off passengers for four dollars and change each ride just does n't match .
" " we have you on tape shoplifting a candy bar at the store but you 've been trustworthy before so it does n't match up .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bhairavi Desai, head of the New York Taxi Workers Alliance, said the charges of rampant thievery defied logic.
The new GPS technology and meters installed in every cab are the problem, not the solution, she said.
In other words, the problem isn't defrauding customers, it's getting caught.
"This is a workforce that's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind," Desai said.
"To be told the same workforce is ripping off passengers for four dollars and change each ride just doesn't match.
" "we have you on tape shoplifting a candy bar at the store but you've been trustworthy before so it doesn't match up.
"
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31470088</id>
	<title>Re:Good, the plan is working</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268505660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HA. Except for the fact they will have no one to drive around much less overcharge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HA .
Except for the fact they will have no one to drive around much less overcharge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HA.
Except for the fact they will have no one to drive around much less overcharge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468278</id>
	<title>Re:1.8 million incidents out of 360 million trips</title>
	<author>Jazzer\_Techie</author>
	<datestamp>1268487240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA:<blockquote><div><p>The investigators determined that 36,000 drivers improperly activated the higher rate at least once, and that about 3,000 drivers did it more than 100 times.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

I doubt the 3000 drivers who did it 100+ times did it by accident.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : The investigators determined that 36,000 drivers improperly activated the higher rate at least once , and that about 3,000 drivers did it more than 100 times .
I doubt the 3000 drivers who did it 100 + times did it by accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:The investigators determined that 36,000 drivers improperly activated the higher rate at least once, and that about 3,000 drivers did it more than 100 times.
I doubt the 3000 drivers who did it 100+ times did it by accident.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467138</id>
	<title>Re:logic fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268478540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This is a workforce that's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind"</p><p>Because if you don't steal the tens of thousands, you can get away with stealing the 8m.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This is a workforce that 's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind " Because if you do n't steal the tens of thousands , you can get away with stealing the 8m .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This is a workforce that's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind"Because if you don't steal the tens of thousands, you can get away with stealing the 8m.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467334</id>
	<title>Re:logic fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268480220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's easy to get away with stealing 4-5 dollars, and if you do it often enough you make a tidy profit...<br>If someone loses diamonds or thousands of dollars they're going to come looking for it, and your chances of getting away with it are pretty slim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to get away with stealing 4-5 dollars , and if you do it often enough you make a tidy profit...If someone loses diamonds or thousands of dollars they 're going to come looking for it , and your chances of getting away with it are pretty slim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to get away with stealing 4-5 dollars, and if you do it often enough you make a tidy profit...If someone loses diamonds or thousands of dollars they're going to come looking for it, and your chances of getting away with it are pretty slim.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468826</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>e4g4</author>
	<datestamp>1268491920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have no doubt that cabbies flip the switch when travelling from say, Manhattan to Brooklyn or on any long-ish ride where the ride back to the place where cabbies make the vast majority of their money (Manhattan) is unlikely to be paid for by a fare (late at night, e.g.).<br> <br>
This certainly explains some previously inexplicable fairly large ($5-$7) variations in cab fare that I've been surprised by since I moved to Brooklyn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no doubt that cabbies flip the switch when travelling from say , Manhattan to Brooklyn or on any long-ish ride where the ride back to the place where cabbies make the vast majority of their money ( Manhattan ) is unlikely to be paid for by a fare ( late at night , e.g. ) .
This certainly explains some previously inexplicable fairly large ( $ 5- $ 7 ) variations in cab fare that I 've been surprised by since I moved to Brooklyn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no doubt that cabbies flip the switch when travelling from say, Manhattan to Brooklyn or on any long-ish ride where the ride back to the place where cabbies make the vast majority of their money (Manhattan) is unlikely to be paid for by a fare (late at night, e.g.).
This certainly explains some previously inexplicable fairly large ($5-$7) variations in cab fare that I've been surprised by since I moved to Brooklyn.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467250</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Gorobei</author>
	<datestamp>1268479560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That makes no sense.  All NYC cabs are yellow and charge the same rates - you don't the choice to either hail an honest one or a dishonest one.  It's about the most uncompetitive market there is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That makes no sense .
All NYC cabs are yellow and charge the same rates - you do n't the choice to either hail an honest one or a dishonest one .
It 's about the most uncompetitive market there is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That makes no sense.
All NYC cabs are yellow and charge the same rates - you don't the choice to either hail an honest one or a dishonest one.
It's about the most uncompetitive market there is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466892</id>
	<title>huh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268476740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>imagine that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>imagine that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>imagine that!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467934</id>
	<title>0.6\% of trips are overcharged.  So what?</title>
	<author>Que\_Ball</author>
	<datestamp>1268484600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So there are 13,257 medallions in new york.</p><p>Lets estimate each cab makes an average of 30 trips per day.  So every day there are about 397710 cab trips made or 145 million trips a year.</p><p>They are saying that 1.8 million trips were overcharged over a period of 2 years.  So over 2 years there were about 290 million trips of which 1.8 million were overcharged.</p><p>So approximately 0.6\% of the trips made were overcharged by about $5.</p><p>Doesn't sound like it's so bad to me.  Half a percent is a legitimate rate of errors for any human endeavour.  So the previous trip was out of the city area and the rate wasn't switched back for the next rider would be a good example of how that would happen.</p><p>The story seems a little sensational to me.  I'm sure there are a few legitimate abusers but the numbers don't seem to imply a widespread problem to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So there are 13,257 medallions in new york.Lets estimate each cab makes an average of 30 trips per day .
So every day there are about 397710 cab trips made or 145 million trips a year.They are saying that 1.8 million trips were overcharged over a period of 2 years .
So over 2 years there were about 290 million trips of which 1.8 million were overcharged.So approximately 0.6 \ % of the trips made were overcharged by about $ 5.Does n't sound like it 's so bad to me .
Half a percent is a legitimate rate of errors for any human endeavour .
So the previous trip was out of the city area and the rate was n't switched back for the next rider would be a good example of how that would happen.The story seems a little sensational to me .
I 'm sure there are a few legitimate abusers but the numbers do n't seem to imply a widespread problem to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So there are 13,257 medallions in new york.Lets estimate each cab makes an average of 30 trips per day.
So every day there are about 397710 cab trips made or 145 million trips a year.They are saying that 1.8 million trips were overcharged over a period of 2 years.
So over 2 years there were about 290 million trips of which 1.8 million were overcharged.So approximately 0.6\% of the trips made were overcharged by about $5.Doesn't sound like it's so bad to me.
Half a percent is a legitimate rate of errors for any human endeavour.
So the previous trip was out of the city area and the rate wasn't switched back for the next rider would be a good example of how that would happen.The story seems a little sensational to me.
I'm sure there are a few legitimate abusers but the numbers don't seem to imply a widespread problem to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468500</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>frisket</author>
	<datestamp>1268488860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem isn't so much the rate as the fact that yellow cab drivers don't appear to know their way around the city, and can't speak any recognisable form of English. I would have more sympathy with them if they behaved more professionally.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is n't so much the rate as the fact that yellow cab drivers do n't appear to know their way around the city , and ca n't speak any recognisable form of English .
I would have more sympathy with them if they behaved more professionally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem isn't so much the rate as the fact that yellow cab drivers don't appear to know their way around the city, and can't speak any recognisable form of English.
I would have more sympathy with them if they behaved more professionally.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467600</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1268481960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, the problem is drivers working themselves to death and putting their fellow vehicles at risk, and the solution is perfect enforcement of a "no loafing" policy to work the drivers like dogs...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , the problem is drivers working themselves to death and putting their fellow vehicles at risk , and the solution is perfect enforcement of a " no loafing " policy to work the drivers like dogs.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, the problem is drivers working themselves to death and putting their fellow vehicles at risk, and the solution is perfect enforcement of a "no loafing" policy to work the drivers like dogs...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467460</id>
	<title>Re:Who is surprised?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268481120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not surprised. Last year when I flew from Brazil to NYC, the amount I had to pay from the JFK to North Bergen was way up.</p><p>I knew I shouldn't tip that driver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not surprised .
Last year when I flew from Brazil to NYC , the amount I had to pay from the JFK to North Bergen was way up.I knew I should n't tip that driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not surprised.
Last year when I flew from Brazil to NYC, the amount I had to pay from the JFK to North Bergen was way up.I knew I shouldn't tip that driver.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467690</id>
	<title>Re:Very easy fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268482620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even simpler fix eliminate the higher charge for going into the suburbs. The drivers obviously cannot be trusted to comply the ordinance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even simpler fix eliminate the higher charge for going into the suburbs .
The drivers obviously can not be trusted to comply the ordinance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even simpler fix eliminate the higher charge for going into the suburbs.
The drivers obviously cannot be trusted to comply the ordinance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31471420</id>
	<title>This is how capitalism works.</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1268572320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's easy to get away with stealing 4-5 dollars, and if you do it often enough you make a tidy profit...</p></div><p>This is the basis of banking. The loans which banks make are essentially, value removed from the existing pot of money. Each loan represents a few fractions of a cent removed from everyone's paycheck &amp;/or bank account.</p><p>There is a hypothetical moral question which is commonly asked in psychological personality tests. "If you found a way of stealing a tiny amount of money from everyone, knowing you could never be caught. Would you do it?". Superman III was even about this particular moral question. It's not actually hypothetical, it's how our monetary system works.</p><p>The irony of course is that naive parents educate their children that taking something without consent is bad, when actually it's the very core of our society.<br>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to get away with stealing 4-5 dollars , and if you do it often enough you make a tidy profit...This is the basis of banking .
The loans which banks make are essentially , value removed from the existing pot of money .
Each loan represents a few fractions of a cent removed from everyone 's paycheck &amp;/or bank account.There is a hypothetical moral question which is commonly asked in psychological personality tests .
" If you found a way of stealing a tiny amount of money from everyone , knowing you could never be caught .
Would you do it ? " .
Superman III was even about this particular moral question .
It 's not actually hypothetical , it 's how our monetary system works.The irony of course is that naive parents educate their children that taking something without consent is bad , when actually it 's the very core of our society .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to get away with stealing 4-5 dollars, and if you do it often enough you make a tidy profit...This is the basis of banking.
The loans which banks make are essentially, value removed from the existing pot of money.
Each loan represents a few fractions of a cent removed from everyone's paycheck &amp;/or bank account.There is a hypothetical moral question which is commonly asked in psychological personality tests.
"If you found a way of stealing a tiny amount of money from everyone, knowing you could never be caught.
Would you do it?".
Superman III was even about this particular moral question.
It's not actually hypothetical, it's how our monetary system works.The irony of course is that naive parents educate their children that taking something without consent is bad, when actually it's the very core of our society.
 
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467414</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268480820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is a tricky point for me.</p><p>As our information collection gets better, hidden income sources get eliminated.<br>Then the question becomes- does the "honest" rate really need to be raised?</p></div><p>let me hold your wallet for you while you ponder.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a tricky point for me.As our information collection gets better , hidden income sources get eliminated.Then the question becomes- does the " honest " rate really need to be raised ? let me hold your wallet for you while you ponder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a tricky point for me.As our information collection gets better, hidden income sources get eliminated.Then the question becomes- does the "honest" rate really need to be raised?let me hold your wallet for you while you ponder.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31471398</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>nullhero</author>
	<datestamp>1268572080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why it seems their doing a good job of bailing themselves out!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why it seems their doing a good job of bailing themselves out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why it seems their doing a good job of bailing themselves out!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468574</id>
	<title>Re:Taxi!</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1268489580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Follow that cab!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Follow that cab !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Follow that cab!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467876</id>
	<title>Re:Thats new york for you!</title>
	<author>pete6677</author>
	<datestamp>1268484000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, its Eastern European culture. Due to the large number of immigrants, it has rubbed off on New York and other big cities around the world as well. Doing business with anyone from Russia or former Soviet Bloc nations is a GUARANTEED way to get ripped off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , its Eastern European culture .
Due to the large number of immigrants , it has rubbed off on New York and other big cities around the world as well .
Doing business with anyone from Russia or former Soviet Bloc nations is a GUARANTEED way to get ripped off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, its Eastern European culture.
Due to the large number of immigrants, it has rubbed off on New York and other big cities around the world as well.
Doing business with anyone from Russia or former Soviet Bloc nations is a GUARANTEED way to get ripped off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468578</id>
	<title>Re:1.8 million incidents out of 360 million trips</title>
	<author>idiot900</author>
	<datestamp>1268489640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One mistake per two hundred trips</p></div><p>It's pretty hard to confuse being inside NYC for being out of town. Given the state of traffic in NYC, it's easy to hit a pedestrian or another car. Do these same drivers have a one in two hundred trips accident rate?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One mistake per two hundred tripsIt 's pretty hard to confuse being inside NYC for being out of town .
Given the state of traffic in NYC , it 's easy to hit a pedestrian or another car .
Do these same drivers have a one in two hundred trips accident rate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One mistake per two hundred tripsIt's pretty hard to confuse being inside NYC for being out of town.
Given the state of traffic in NYC, it's easy to hit a pedestrian or another car.
Do these same drivers have a one in two hundred trips accident rate?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466890</id>
	<title>Taxi!</title>
	<author>WrongSizeGlass</author>
	<datestamp>1268476680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take me to the cleaners, and hurry!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take me to the cleaners , and hurry !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take me to the cleaners, and hurry!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467262</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1268479680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>Once GPS came in, suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops (because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes) and work 100\% while on. But the pay is still 8x dollars.<br></i><br>What that leads to is drivers that can't afford to stop to take a piss.  So what do they do?  <a href="http://www.roadsideamerica.com/rant/pee.html" title="roadsideamerica.com">Piss in a plastic jug and throw it out the window.</a> [roadsideamerica.com]  There's more to life than money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once GPS came in , suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops ( because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes ) and work 100 \ % while on .
But the pay is still 8x dollars.What that leads to is drivers that ca n't afford to stop to take a piss .
So what do they do ?
Piss in a plastic jug and throw it out the window .
[ roadsideamerica.com ] There 's more to life than money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once GPS came in, suddenly they are being expected to make 11 stops (because the gps showed they were sitting around for 20 minutes) and work 100\% while on.
But the pay is still 8x dollars.What that leads to is drivers that can't afford to stop to take a piss.
So what do they do?
Piss in a plastic jug and throw it out the window.
[roadsideamerica.com]  There's more to life than money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31472616</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>ffejie</author>
	<datestamp>1268586960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are a number of gypsy cabs in NYC. They are usually black, and are more in the style of a town car than a traditional cab. They're harder to find if you're not looking, but frequently pull up on a busy/rainy night when you are trying to hail a legitimate cab. They generally charge more than the yellow cabs, and many people see them as unsafe, so they don't use them. It's not the most straightforward market, but what underground market is?<br> <br>

For clarification, these cabs are not licensed, and they operate outside of the authority of the rest of the cabs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a number of gypsy cabs in NYC .
They are usually black , and are more in the style of a town car than a traditional cab .
They 're harder to find if you 're not looking , but frequently pull up on a busy/rainy night when you are trying to hail a legitimate cab .
They generally charge more than the yellow cabs , and many people see them as unsafe , so they do n't use them .
It 's not the most straightforward market , but what underground market is ?
For clarification , these cabs are not licensed , and they operate outside of the authority of the rest of the cabs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a number of gypsy cabs in NYC.
They are usually black, and are more in the style of a town car than a traditional cab.
They're harder to find if you're not looking, but frequently pull up on a busy/rainy night when you are trying to hail a legitimate cab.
They generally charge more than the yellow cabs, and many people see them as unsafe, so they don't use them.
It's not the most straightforward market, but what underground market is?
For clarification, these cabs are not licensed, and they operate outside of the authority of the rest of the cabs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467932</id>
	<title>Spot Checks, offenders have medallions revoked.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268484600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are Taxi Authorities in NYC right?  Occasional spot checks, if they commit fraud and get caught doing it, they lose their medallion.  Sometimes the cabdriver isn't the owner of the medallion but if so that Cab Driver owes the owner big time.  NYC Taxi Medallions don't come cheap between half and 2/3 of a million if I remember correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are Taxi Authorities in NYC right ?
Occasional spot checks , if they commit fraud and get caught doing it , they lose their medallion .
Sometimes the cabdriver is n't the owner of the medallion but if so that Cab Driver owes the owner big time .
NYC Taxi Medallions do n't come cheap between half and 2/3 of a million if I remember correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are Taxi Authorities in NYC right?
Occasional spot checks, if they commit fraud and get caught doing it, they lose their medallion.
Sometimes the cabdriver isn't the owner of the medallion but if so that Cab Driver owes the owner big time.
NYC Taxi Medallions don't come cheap between half and 2/3 of a million if I remember correctly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31487168</id>
	<title>Re:Very easy fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268645220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the absolute first thing that many a taxi driver (especially the independant ones) will do is install their own switch to disable or enable the indicator light.  A simple toggle switch on the wire is all it'd need.  Turn switch off for all in-town dishonesty, hit toggle switch when it would actually apply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the absolute first thing that many a taxi driver ( especially the independant ones ) will do is install their own switch to disable or enable the indicator light .
A simple toggle switch on the wire is all it 'd need .
Turn switch off for all in-town dishonesty , hit toggle switch when it would actually apply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the absolute first thing that many a taxi driver (especially the independant ones) will do is install their own switch to disable or enable the indicator light.
A simple toggle switch on the wire is all it'd need.
Turn switch off for all in-town dishonesty, hit toggle switch when it would actually apply.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466878</id>
	<title>Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268476620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bah forget about bankers we need to bail out the cab driver industry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bah forget about bankers we need to bail out the cab driver industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bah forget about bankers we need to bail out the cab driver industry.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468602</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268489880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what the RACE of the average taxi driver is nowadays, compared to say, fifty years ago, when I doubt this sort of thing happened, to this extent...</p><p>Still, don't worry about your country being taken over and completely DESTROYED BY DIVERSITY.</p><p>I'm sure your children will thank you for leaving them hell on Earth to inherit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what the RACE of the average taxi driver is nowadays , compared to say , fifty years ago , when I doubt this sort of thing happened , to this extent...Still , do n't worry about your country being taken over and completely DESTROYED BY DIVERSITY.I 'm sure your children will thank you for leaving them hell on Earth to inherit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what the RACE of the average taxi driver is nowadays, compared to say, fifty years ago, when I doubt this sort of thing happened, to this extent...Still, don't worry about your country being taken over and completely DESTROYED BY DIVERSITY.I'm sure your children will thank you for leaving them hell on Earth to inherit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467412</id>
	<title>Nominclature - charge residents less.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268480820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I saw a "out of town" rate display, without reading the article, I wouldn't have known what it meant - because I would be an out of town tourist.

An interesting twist: actually charge out of town riders more for riding a taxi and residents less. This would encourage residents to rely even more on publicly available transit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I saw a " out of town " rate display , without reading the article , I would n't have known what it meant - because I would be an out of town tourist .
An interesting twist : actually charge out of town riders more for riding a taxi and residents less .
This would encourage residents to rely even more on publicly available transit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I saw a "out of town" rate display, without reading the article, I wouldn't have known what it meant - because I would be an out of town tourist.
An interesting twist: actually charge out of town riders more for riding a taxi and residents less.
This would encourage residents to rely even more on publicly available transit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31469800</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1268501940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you know how hard it is to get to be a cab driver in some cities?</p><p>Do you want to be in a cab with a driver who has no clue about the streets and is just kinda wandering around trying to make it to your destination?</p><p>I mean- forget the extra money for a second- do you want to get to the airport, or your meeting, or the broadway play 30 minutes late?</p><p>As an FYI, these "cheating" cab drivers are making about $50k.</p><p>A driver make around 50,000 per year depending on his shift which is 8 to 12 hours.</p><p>Sources: <a href="http://411newyork.org/guide/2008/03/30/new-york-taxi-cab-driver-salary/" title="411newyork.org">http://411newyork.org/guide/2008/03/30/new-york-taxi-cab-driver-salary/</a> [411newyork.org]</p><p>Meanwhile<br><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/02/05/2009-02-05\_nyc\_so\_costly\_you\_need\_to\_earn\_six\_figur.html" title="nydailynews.com">http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/02/05/2009-02-05\_nyc\_so\_costly\_you\_need\_to\_earn\_six\_figur.html</a> [nydailynews.com]<br>N.Y.C. so costly you need to earn six figures to make middle class<br>A New Yorker would have to make $123,322 a year to have the same standard of living as someone making $50,000 in Houston.<br>In Manhattan, a $60,000 salary is equivalent to someone making $26,092 in Atlanta.</p><p>---</p><p>And we are going to begrudge them a few bucks in fares?  $26,092 is just above the federal poverty level.  (cost of living is so bad in new york that they are starting to calculate poverty levels differently because "poverty level" is actually in the low $30k's in NYC).</p><p>---</p><p>The arrogance and sense of entitlement of the wealthy and my fellow boomers really makes me irritated sometimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you know how hard it is to get to be a cab driver in some cities ? Do you want to be in a cab with a driver who has no clue about the streets and is just kinda wandering around trying to make it to your destination ? I mean- forget the extra money for a second- do you want to get to the airport , or your meeting , or the broadway play 30 minutes late ? As an FYI , these " cheating " cab drivers are making about $ 50k.A driver make around 50,000 per year depending on his shift which is 8 to 12 hours.Sources : http : //411newyork.org/guide/2008/03/30/new-york-taxi-cab-driver-salary/ [ 411newyork.org ] Meanwhilehttp : //www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/02/05/2009-02-05 \ _nyc \ _so \ _costly \ _you \ _need \ _to \ _earn \ _six \ _figur.html [ nydailynews.com ] N.Y.C .
so costly you need to earn six figures to make middle classA New Yorker would have to make $ 123,322 a year to have the same standard of living as someone making $ 50,000 in Houston.In Manhattan , a $ 60,000 salary is equivalent to someone making $ 26,092 in Atlanta.---And we are going to begrudge them a few bucks in fares ?
$ 26,092 is just above the federal poverty level .
( cost of living is so bad in new york that they are starting to calculate poverty levels differently because " poverty level " is actually in the low $ 30k 's in NYC ) .---The arrogance and sense of entitlement of the wealthy and my fellow boomers really makes me irritated sometimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you know how hard it is to get to be a cab driver in some cities?Do you want to be in a cab with a driver who has no clue about the streets and is just kinda wandering around trying to make it to your destination?I mean- forget the extra money for a second- do you want to get to the airport, or your meeting, or the broadway play 30 minutes late?As an FYI, these "cheating" cab drivers are making about $50k.A driver make around 50,000 per year depending on his shift which is 8 to 12 hours.Sources: http://411newyork.org/guide/2008/03/30/new-york-taxi-cab-driver-salary/ [411newyork.org]Meanwhilehttp://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/02/05/2009-02-05\_nyc\_so\_costly\_you\_need\_to\_earn\_six\_figur.html [nydailynews.com]N.Y.C.
so costly you need to earn six figures to make middle classA New Yorker would have to make $123,322 a year to have the same standard of living as someone making $50,000 in Houston.In Manhattan, a $60,000 salary is equivalent to someone making $26,092 in Atlanta.---And we are going to begrudge them a few bucks in fares?
$26,092 is just above the federal poverty level.
(cost of living is so bad in new york that they are starting to calculate poverty levels differently because "poverty level" is actually in the low $30k's in NYC).---The arrogance and sense of entitlement of the wealthy and my fellow boomers really makes me irritated sometimes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467234</id>
	<title>Re:that's nothing</title>
	<author>digitig</author>
	<datestamp>1268479440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>they'll always go on a 30 minute odyssey to go 20 blocks.</p></div><p>Yes, London traffic is like that too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>they 'll always go on a 30 minute odyssey to go 20 blocks.Yes , London traffic is like that too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they'll always go on a 30 minute odyssey to go 20 blocks.Yes, London traffic is like that too.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467874</id>
	<title>1.8 million incidents out of 360 million trips</title>
	<author>j1m+5n0w</author>
	<datestamp>1268484000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The 1.8 million fares represent a tiny fraction of a total 360 million trips over the 26-month period in question.</p></div></blockquote><p>Taxi drivers are people.  People make mistakes.  One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable, especially considering that the frequency of incidents per driver probably follows a power-law distribution and the median number of mistakes per driver is likely much lower.  Another way of looking at it is that 25\% of drivers didn't make a single mistake in more than two years of driving.

</p><p>Which isn't to say that these were all honest mistakes.  However, I don't see this as the massive systematic fraud the article seems to be suggestion.  A 0.5\% chance of being overcharged just doesn't seem like something to get excited about (even if I lived in New York, which I don't).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 1.8 million fares represent a tiny fraction of a total 360 million trips over the 26-month period in question.Taxi drivers are people .
People make mistakes .
One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable , especially considering that the frequency of incidents per driver probably follows a power-law distribution and the median number of mistakes per driver is likely much lower .
Another way of looking at it is that 25 \ % of drivers did n't make a single mistake in more than two years of driving .
Which is n't to say that these were all honest mistakes .
However , I do n't see this as the massive systematic fraud the article seems to be suggestion .
A 0.5 \ % chance of being overcharged just does n't seem like something to get excited about ( even if I lived in New York , which I do n't ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 1.8 million fares represent a tiny fraction of a total 360 million trips over the 26-month period in question.Taxi drivers are people.
People make mistakes.
One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable, especially considering that the frequency of incidents per driver probably follows a power-law distribution and the median number of mistakes per driver is likely much lower.
Another way of looking at it is that 25\% of drivers didn't make a single mistake in more than two years of driving.
Which isn't to say that these were all honest mistakes.
However, I don't see this as the massive systematic fraud the article seems to be suggestion.
A 0.5\% chance of being overcharged just doesn't seem like something to get excited about (even if I lived in New York, which I don't).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468586</id>
	<title>Re:1.8 million incidents out of 360 million trips</title>
	<author>Bob-o-Matic!</author>
	<datestamp>1268489700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>The 1.8 million fares represent a tiny fraction of a total 360 million trips over the 26-month period in question.</p></div></blockquote><p>Taxi drivers are people.  People make mistakes.  One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable, especially considering that the frequency of incidents per driver probably follows a power-law distribution and the median number of mistakes per driver is likely much lower.  Another way of looking at it is that 25\% of drivers didn't make a single mistake in more than two years of driving.</p></div><p>I agree.  Surgeons are people, as are engineers, airline pilots, lawyers, nurses, construction workers, and pretty much any other kind of worker.  Who cares if they are dishonest or make mistakes once every 200 tasks?</p><p>Back to the topic: I have never experienced dishonesty with Korean cab drivers in two tours and a number of side trips there.  Regular cabs (not the deluxe cabs) are very affordable.  US armed forces members take note:  Korean cabs are less expensive than AAFES cabs.</p><p>My last tour at Osan I took a cab to base nearly every morning once there was enough snow and ice to make walking from the Korea Telecom building (very near where I lived) to the main gate.  Also took a cab for every trip to the landromat.  And on many other occasions.</p><p>Of course it helps if you speak Korean; it always blows their minds when a caucasian speaks their language.  This means adhering to conventions of respect which are not taught in bars.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 1.8 million fares represent a tiny fraction of a total 360 million trips over the 26-month period in question.Taxi drivers are people .
People make mistakes .
One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable , especially considering that the frequency of incidents per driver probably follows a power-law distribution and the median number of mistakes per driver is likely much lower .
Another way of looking at it is that 25 \ % of drivers did n't make a single mistake in more than two years of driving.I agree .
Surgeons are people , as are engineers , airline pilots , lawyers , nurses , construction workers , and pretty much any other kind of worker .
Who cares if they are dishonest or make mistakes once every 200 tasks ? Back to the topic : I have never experienced dishonesty with Korean cab drivers in two tours and a number of side trips there .
Regular cabs ( not the deluxe cabs ) are very affordable .
US armed forces members take note : Korean cabs are less expensive than AAFES cabs.My last tour at Osan I took a cab to base nearly every morning once there was enough snow and ice to make walking from the Korea Telecom building ( very near where I lived ) to the main gate .
Also took a cab for every trip to the landromat .
And on many other occasions.Of course it helps if you speak Korean ; it always blows their minds when a caucasian speaks their language .
This means adhering to conventions of respect which are not taught in bars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 1.8 million fares represent a tiny fraction of a total 360 million trips over the 26-month period in question.Taxi drivers are people.
People make mistakes.
One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable, especially considering that the frequency of incidents per driver probably follows a power-law distribution and the median number of mistakes per driver is likely much lower.
Another way of looking at it is that 25\% of drivers didn't make a single mistake in more than two years of driving.I agree.
Surgeons are people, as are engineers, airline pilots, lawyers, nurses, construction workers, and pretty much any other kind of worker.
Who cares if they are dishonest or make mistakes once every 200 tasks?Back to the topic: I have never experienced dishonesty with Korean cab drivers in two tours and a number of side trips there.
Regular cabs (not the deluxe cabs) are very affordable.
US armed forces members take note:  Korean cabs are less expensive than AAFES cabs.My last tour at Osan I took a cab to base nearly every morning once there was enough snow and ice to make walking from the Korea Telecom building (very near where I lived) to the main gate.
Also took a cab for every trip to the landromat.
And on many other occasions.Of course it helps if you speak Korean; it always blows their minds when a caucasian speaks their language.
This means adhering to conventions of respect which are not taught in bars.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467014</id>
	<title>taxi drivers, bankers, gov't., all thieves/liars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268477520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>spotlighting each other's foibles more&amp;less as needed. except for the taxi drivers, they never get to target anyone, except the customers.</p><p>talk about stuff that matters, has anyone noticed how the manuf(r)actured 'weather' is treating us lately? no? probably doesn't matter?</p><p>as always, consult with/trust in your creators when attempting to distinguish the poop from the bologna.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>spotlighting each other 's foibles more&amp;less as needed .
except for the taxi drivers , they never get to target anyone , except the customers.talk about stuff that matters , has anyone noticed how the manuf ( r ) actured 'weather ' is treating us lately ?
no ? probably does n't matter ? as always , consult with/trust in your creators when attempting to distinguish the poop from the bologna .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>spotlighting each other's foibles more&amp;less as needed.
except for the taxi drivers, they never get to target anyone, except the customers.talk about stuff that matters, has anyone noticed how the manuf(r)actured 'weather' is treating us lately?
no? probably doesn't matter?as always, consult with/trust in your creators when attempting to distinguish the poop from the bologna.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467060</id>
	<title>Thats new york for you!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268477880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time I've worked with someone on the east coast (New York, Boston) it's been a recipe for being ripped off.</p><p>Those people seriously believe that it's foolish NOT to take advantage of someone whenever possible, I think it's a part of new york culture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I 've worked with someone on the east coast ( New York , Boston ) it 's been a recipe for being ripped off.Those people seriously believe that it 's foolish NOT to take advantage of someone whenever possible , I think it 's a part of new york culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I've worked with someone on the east coast (New York, Boston) it's been a recipe for being ripped off.Those people seriously believe that it's foolish NOT to take advantage of someone whenever possible, I think it's a part of new york culture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31471254</id>
	<title>Re:Because Cab drivers are notoriously ethical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268569320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other parts of the world, workers unions makes sure this kind of thing doesn't "just" happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other parts of the world , workers unions makes sure this kind of thing does n't " just " happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other parts of the world, workers unions makes sure this kind of thing doesn't "just" happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467238</id>
	<title>Good, the plan is working</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268479440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And in return, don't expect cabbies to care when IBM outsources every IT job to India, or MS relocates to China.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And in return , do n't expect cabbies to care when IBM outsources every IT job to India , or MS relocates to China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in return, don't expect cabbies to care when IBM outsources every IT job to India, or MS relocates to China.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466942</id>
	<title>Since when</title>
	<author>camcorder</author>
	<datestamp>1268477040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when GPS measures traffic jam? I'd happily pay 5 bucks more if I won't wait in the traffic for half an hour more. That's the whole point for getting a taxi any ways (ie. being at where you want to be faster).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when GPS measures traffic jam ?
I 'd happily pay 5 bucks more if I wo n't wait in the traffic for half an hour more .
That 's the whole point for getting a taxi any ways ( ie .
being at where you want to be faster ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when GPS measures traffic jam?
I'd happily pay 5 bucks more if I won't wait in the traffic for half an hour more.
That's the whole point for getting a taxi any ways (ie.
being at where you want to be faster).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467260</id>
	<title>Re:Very easy fix</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1268479680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assuming the GPS can be trusted to get a good enough fix all the time. Look up "urban canyons."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming the GPS can be trusted to get a good enough fix all the time .
Look up " urban canyons .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming the GPS can be trusted to get a good enough fix all the time.
Look up "urban canyons.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467018</id>
	<title>Re:And how many stores...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268477580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see there aren't many fans of Clint Eastwood's early movies around here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see there are n't many fans of Clint Eastwood 's early movies around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see there aren't many fans of Clint Eastwood's early movies around here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467718</id>
	<title>Re:Very easy fix</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1268482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about freeway exchanges (spaghetti junctions) where the roads are above each other. Would GPS be able to accurately tell the difference between the two altitudes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about freeway exchanges ( spaghetti junctions ) where the roads are above each other .
Would GPS be able to accurately tell the difference between the two altitudes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about freeway exchanges (spaghetti junctions) where the roads are above each other.
Would GPS be able to accurately tell the difference between the two altitudes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467304</id>
	<title>Price regulation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268479980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interstingly enough this is exactly what you would expect if somebody tries to regulate the prices - or create a 'market'. Let the taxi drivers set their prices and just check that they follow the prices they advertise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interstingly enough this is exactly what you would expect if somebody tries to regulate the prices - or create a 'market' .
Let the taxi drivers set their prices and just check that they follow the prices they advertise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interstingly enough this is exactly what you would expect if somebody tries to regulate the prices - or create a 'market'.
Let the taxi drivers set their prices and just check that they follow the prices they advertise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31466936</id>
	<title>that's nothing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268476980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you don't know the city, they'll take you on a grand tour.  I don't know how many times if I don't tell them EXACTLY what streets to take, they'll always go on a 30 minute odyssey to go 20 blocks.</p><p>But it's not just New York, they are just as worthless in London for pretty much the same thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you do n't know the city , they 'll take you on a grand tour .
I do n't know how many times if I do n't tell them EXACTLY what streets to take , they 'll always go on a 30 minute odyssey to go 20 blocks.But it 's not just New York , they are just as worthless in London for pretty much the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you don't know the city, they'll take you on a grand tour.
I don't know how many times if I don't tell them EXACTLY what streets to take, they'll always go on a 30 minute odyssey to go 20 blocks.But it's not just New York, they are just as worthless in London for pretty much the same thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31469202</id>
	<title>Re:1.8 million incidents out of 360 million trips</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1268495520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonable</p></div></blockquote><p>The interesting thing is if you compare it to working a register. Giving back change manually incurs mistakes. Even if you're 100\% honest, you're going to make mistakes. The difference here being that those mistakes work both ways. One customer will get a few cents too much back, another will get too few.</p><p>At the end of the day, you're going to see maybe 20 cents mismatch on a thousand dollars. More than that and you had to recount it (we didn't have counting machines). If the discreprancy was still larger than that, you posted those money, and you had some explaining to do. The thing is, when you make these small mistakes, you will lose about as much as you will gain. The cab drivers only saw a gain.</p><p>That's not a mistake. That's fraud.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonableThe interesting thing is if you compare it to working a register .
Giving back change manually incurs mistakes .
Even if you 're 100 \ % honest , you 're going to make mistakes .
The difference here being that those mistakes work both ways .
One customer will get a few cents too much back , another will get too few.At the end of the day , you 're going to see maybe 20 cents mismatch on a thousand dollars .
More than that and you had to recount it ( we did n't have counting machines ) .
If the discreprancy was still larger than that , you posted those money , and you had some explaining to do .
The thing is , when you make these small mistakes , you will lose about as much as you will gain .
The cab drivers only saw a gain.That 's not a mistake .
That 's fraud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One mistake per two hundred trips does not seem unreasonableThe interesting thing is if you compare it to working a register.
Giving back change manually incurs mistakes.
Even if you're 100\% honest, you're going to make mistakes.
The difference here being that those mistakes work both ways.
One customer will get a few cents too much back, another will get too few.At the end of the day, you're going to see maybe 20 cents mismatch on a thousand dollars.
More than that and you had to recount it (we didn't have counting machines).
If the discreprancy was still larger than that, you posted those money, and you had some explaining to do.
The thing is, when you make these small mistakes, you will lose about as much as you will gain.
The cab drivers only saw a gain.That's not a mistake.
That's fraud.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467172</id>
	<title>Who is surprised?</title>
	<author>idiot900</author>
	<datestamp>1268478780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in NYC and I am not surprised in the least by this. It's amazing that it's only 75\%.</p><p>The taxi drivers expended a lot of social capital vigorously opposing and even striking over the GPS units, when everyone (taxi drivers included) knew that the GPS units would help keep the drivers honest. Now that fraud has been exposed, it will be even more difficult for the drivers to gain public support the next time they are angry about something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in NYC and I am not surprised in the least by this .
It 's amazing that it 's only 75 \ % .The taxi drivers expended a lot of social capital vigorously opposing and even striking over the GPS units , when everyone ( taxi drivers included ) knew that the GPS units would help keep the drivers honest .
Now that fraud has been exposed , it will be even more difficult for the drivers to gain public support the next time they are angry about something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in NYC and I am not surprised in the least by this.
It's amazing that it's only 75\%.The taxi drivers expended a lot of social capital vigorously opposing and even striking over the GPS units, when everyone (taxi drivers included) knew that the GPS units would help keep the drivers honest.
Now that fraud has been exposed, it will be even more difficult for the drivers to gain public support the next time they are angry about something.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467318</id>
	<title>Re:that's nothing</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1268480040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taxi drivers everywhere are like this...<br>I picked up a taxi outside an airport in germany, showed him the address i wanted to go to and he said no problem.<br>He drives to the town i was heading for, and gets lost... So he stops at a gas station and gets out the car to ask for directions - with the meter running!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taxi drivers everywhere are like this...I picked up a taxi outside an airport in germany , showed him the address i wanted to go to and he said no problem.He drives to the town i was heading for , and gets lost... So he stops at a gas station and gets out the car to ask for directions - with the meter running !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taxi drivers everywhere are like this...I picked up a taxi outside an airport in germany, showed him the address i wanted to go to and he said no problem.He drives to the town i was heading for, and gets lost... So he stops at a gas station and gets out the car to ask for directions - with the meter running!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467204</id>
	<title>Re:Very easy fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268479080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Having lived in Manhattan most of my life I think I can speak from a little experience here.</p><p>I take a cab at least once a day and sometimes two to three times a day.   In the last 10 years i can probably name 3 times a cab driver has tried something on me, be it taking a longer slower route, pushing a button on the meter at the wrong time of day, or even sexually harass me.  Actually I've been sexually harassed more times than cheated and I'm male believe it or not.</p><p>Most cab drivers are hard working, honest if not slightly abused people.   Yes there are some shady characters, a few smell real bad and a couple leave you shaking your head after you peal yourself out of the back set but 100 out of one they do there job honestly and professionally.</p><p>They're already completely monitored down to the block they are on all day and night by there dispatchers.  Hell last month some guy told me how he has to take his wife to work so he told a little white lie to the kid dispatcher about how he was coming back off the Jersey turnpike and would be a little late. Well boy wasn't he embarressed when the 20 year old told him the 56 year old he was lying cause he was in Columbus Circle instead.   They're already subjected to so much tracking, Cops ticket them first and only, they can't talk on cell phones now you want to automate them pushing one single button because you feel you can't trust them just that much?</p><p>Hell all the cabs now have a computer with screen that shows you exactly what your being charged for with instructions the second you sit in the seat detailing all the fairs.  You get cheated I say it's your own fault.</p><p>Now we want to talk about a real injustice explain to me why I'm paying the MTA<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.50cents a ride in taxes to keep them alive.  If i wanted to take the bus i would be!!!<br>http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Cab-Ride-Will-Cost-You-50-Cent-More-68537667.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having lived in Manhattan most of my life I think I can speak from a little experience here.I take a cab at least once a day and sometimes two to three times a day .
In the last 10 years i can probably name 3 times a cab driver has tried something on me , be it taking a longer slower route , pushing a button on the meter at the wrong time of day , or even sexually harass me .
Actually I 've been sexually harassed more times than cheated and I 'm male believe it or not.Most cab drivers are hard working , honest if not slightly abused people .
Yes there are some shady characters , a few smell real bad and a couple leave you shaking your head after you peal yourself out of the back set but 100 out of one they do there job honestly and professionally.They 're already completely monitored down to the block they are on all day and night by there dispatchers .
Hell last month some guy told me how he has to take his wife to work so he told a little white lie to the kid dispatcher about how he was coming back off the Jersey turnpike and would be a little late .
Well boy was n't he embarressed when the 20 year old told him the 56 year old he was lying cause he was in Columbus Circle instead .
They 're already subjected to so much tracking , Cops ticket them first and only , they ca n't talk on cell phones now you want to automate them pushing one single button because you feel you ca n't trust them just that much ? Hell all the cabs now have a computer with screen that shows you exactly what your being charged for with instructions the second you sit in the seat detailing all the fairs .
You get cheated I say it 's your own fault.Now we want to talk about a real injustice explain to me why I 'm paying the MTA .50cents a ride in taxes to keep them alive .
If i wanted to take the bus i would be ! !
! http : //www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Cab-Ride-Will-Cost-You-50-Cent-More-68537667.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having lived in Manhattan most of my life I think I can speak from a little experience here.I take a cab at least once a day and sometimes two to three times a day.
In the last 10 years i can probably name 3 times a cab driver has tried something on me, be it taking a longer slower route, pushing a button on the meter at the wrong time of day, or even sexually harass me.
Actually I've been sexually harassed more times than cheated and I'm male believe it or not.Most cab drivers are hard working, honest if not slightly abused people.
Yes there are some shady characters, a few smell real bad and a couple leave you shaking your head after you peal yourself out of the back set but 100 out of one they do there job honestly and professionally.They're already completely monitored down to the block they are on all day and night by there dispatchers.
Hell last month some guy told me how he has to take his wife to work so he told a little white lie to the kid dispatcher about how he was coming back off the Jersey turnpike and would be a little late.
Well boy wasn't he embarressed when the 20 year old told him the 56 year old he was lying cause he was in Columbus Circle instead.
They're already subjected to so much tracking, Cops ticket them first and only, they can't talk on cell phones now you want to automate them pushing one single button because you feel you can't trust them just that much?Hell all the cabs now have a computer with screen that shows you exactly what your being charged for with instructions the second you sit in the seat detailing all the fairs.
You get cheated I say it's your own fault.Now we want to talk about a real injustice explain to me why I'm paying the MTA .50cents a ride in taxes to keep them alive.
If i wanted to take the bus i would be!!
!http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Cab-Ride-Will-Cost-You-50-Cent-More-68537667.html</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31469406</id>
	<title>Re:Good, the plan is working</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268497260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way to keep it on point.  I'm surprised you didn't bring up how Mexican's are stealing all the lucrative fruit picking jobs that every American wants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to keep it on point .
I 'm surprised you did n't bring up how Mexican 's are stealing all the lucrative fruit picking jobs that every American wants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to keep it on point.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up how Mexican's are stealing all the lucrative fruit picking jobs that every American wants.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467256</id>
	<title>Re:logic fail</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1268479560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to reply to myself but I thought I should point out a bit of psychology:</p><blockquote><div><p>"This is a workforce that's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind," Desai said. "To be told the same workforce is ripping off passengers for four dollars and change each ride just doesn't match."</p></div></blockquote><p>  Well I suppose that's about like the difference between stealing a pen from the bank and robbing the bank.  The pen is easy for people to steal as it is easier to rationalize guilt away (it's a 10 sent pen and they've got millions of them) while it's hard to justify bank robbery (that's peoples' paycheck etc.)  Then there's the odds of getting caught and the payoff: ripping someone off for a few bucks on a long cabride probably won't get you caught (well it didn't after all... until the ps that is) while stealing a 5k piece of jewelry will probably be noticed by whomever you've just effectively robbed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I hate to reply to myself but I thought I should point out a bit of psychology : " This is a workforce that 's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind , " Desai said .
" To be told the same workforce is ripping off passengers for four dollars and change each ride just does n't match .
" Well I suppose that 's about like the difference between stealing a pen from the bank and robbing the bank .
The pen is easy for people to steal as it is easier to rationalize guilt away ( it 's a 10 sent pen and they 've got millions of them ) while it 's hard to justify bank robbery ( that 's peoples ' paycheck etc .
) Then there 's the odds of getting caught and the payoff : ripping someone off for a few bucks on a long cabride probably wo n't get you caught ( well it did n't after all... until the ps that is ) while stealing a 5k piece of jewelry will probably be noticed by whomever you 've just effectively robbed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to reply to myself but I thought I should point out a bit of psychology:"This is a workforce that's known for returning diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars passengers leave behind," Desai said.
"To be told the same workforce is ripping off passengers for four dollars and change each ride just doesn't match.
"  Well I suppose that's about like the difference between stealing a pen from the bank and robbing the bank.
The pen is easy for people to steal as it is easier to rationalize guilt away (it's a 10 sent pen and they've got millions of them) while it's hard to justify bank robbery (that's peoples' paycheck etc.
)  Then there's the odds of getting caught and the payoff: ripping someone off for a few bucks on a long cabride probably won't get you caught (well it didn't after all... until the ps that is) while stealing a 5k piece of jewelry will probably be noticed by whomever you've just effectively robbed.
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	<title>Perhaps related to medallion cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268477280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$766,000 to buy a cab driver Medallion.</p><p><a href="http://www.yellowcabnyc.com/uncategorized/driver-competition-hot-medallions-hit-766000" title="yellowcabnyc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yellowcabnyc.com/uncategorized/driver-competition-hot-medallions-hit-766000</a> [yellowcabnyc.com]</p><p>The government controls how many Medallions are in circulation, they put in an artificial ceiling. I predict the same thing happening when the government start managing health care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 766,000 to buy a cab driver Medallion.http : //www.yellowcabnyc.com/uncategorized/driver-competition-hot-medallions-hit-766000 [ yellowcabnyc.com ] The government controls how many Medallions are in circulation , they put in an artificial ceiling .
I predict the same thing happening when the government start managing health care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$766,000 to buy a cab driver Medallion.http://www.yellowcabnyc.com/uncategorized/driver-competition-hot-medallions-hit-766000 [yellowcabnyc.com]The government controls how many Medallions are in circulation, they put in an artificial ceiling.
I predict the same thing happening when the government start managing health care.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Very easy fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268480820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They're already subjected to so much tracking, Cops ticket them first and only, they can't talk on cell phones now you want to automate them pushing one single button because you feel you can't trust them just that much?</p></div></blockquote><p>
I think you fail to appreciate the sequence of events here.  There's every reason to trust them, up until you find hard data showing that they have been overcharging.  That is what happened.  At this point, it's quite reasonable to want some verification.  Automation isn't necessary either.  All you need is a clear, unambiguous on/off indicator to let the customer know whether the out-of-town rate in question is being applied.  Why wouldn't you want that to be done openly?</p><blockquote><div><p>Hell all the cabs now have a computer with screen that shows you exactly what your being charged for with instructions the second you sit in the seat detailing all the fairs. You get cheated I say it's your own fault.</p></div></blockquote><p>
As long as this system makes it easy to unambiguously determine, at a glance, whether or not the out-of-town rate is being applied, then yeah that's rather silly of the passenger not to take notice.  It'd be your standard failure to perform due diligence.  If such systems are already in place and are already a standard feature, then the next step would be to determine why so many customers have been unaware of the information they are intended to provide.</p></div>
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<tokenext>They 're already subjected to so much tracking , Cops ticket them first and only , they ca n't talk on cell phones now you want to automate them pushing one single button because you feel you ca n't trust them just that much ?
I think you fail to appreciate the sequence of events here .
There 's every reason to trust them , up until you find hard data showing that they have been overcharging .
That is what happened .
At this point , it 's quite reasonable to want some verification .
Automation is n't necessary either .
All you need is a clear , unambiguous on/off indicator to let the customer know whether the out-of-town rate in question is being applied .
Why would n't you want that to be done openly ? Hell all the cabs now have a computer with screen that shows you exactly what your being charged for with instructions the second you sit in the seat detailing all the fairs .
You get cheated I say it 's your own fault .
As long as this system makes it easy to unambiguously determine , at a glance , whether or not the out-of-town rate is being applied , then yeah that 's rather silly of the passenger not to take notice .
It 'd be your standard failure to perform due diligence .
If such systems are already in place and are already a standard feature , then the next step would be to determine why so many customers have been unaware of the information they are intended to provide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're already subjected to so much tracking, Cops ticket them first and only, they can't talk on cell phones now you want to automate them pushing one single button because you feel you can't trust them just that much?
I think you fail to appreciate the sequence of events here.
There's every reason to trust them, up until you find hard data showing that they have been overcharging.
That is what happened.
At this point, it's quite reasonable to want some verification.
Automation isn't necessary either.
All you need is a clear, unambiguous on/off indicator to let the customer know whether the out-of-town rate in question is being applied.
Why wouldn't you want that to be done openly?Hell all the cabs now have a computer with screen that shows you exactly what your being charged for with instructions the second you sit in the seat detailing all the fairs.
You get cheated I say it's your own fault.
As long as this system makes it easy to unambiguously determine, at a glance, whether or not the out-of-town rate is being applied, then yeah that's rather silly of the passenger not to take notice.
It'd be your standard failure to perform due diligence.
If such systems are already in place and are already a standard feature, then the next step would be to determine why so many customers have been unaware of the information they are intended to provide.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31468402</id>
	<title>Re:1.8 million incidents out of 360 million trips</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268488140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did the article mention how often the drivers should have charged the higher rate and forgot to?  it would seem that if this were an honest mistake, then these numbers should be similar.  If, on the other hand, the errors are always in the taxi drivers favor, then I would think that makes it more likely something sneaky is going on.  It may also be that only a few drivers are doing it.</p><p>The incidence may even be much higher among passengers who are not aware of the fare changes.</p><p>Making it obvious to the passenger probably won't help much - no one is going to know what the light indicates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the article mention how often the drivers should have charged the higher rate and forgot to ?
it would seem that if this were an honest mistake , then these numbers should be similar .
If , on the other hand , the errors are always in the taxi drivers favor , then I would think that makes it more likely something sneaky is going on .
It may also be that only a few drivers are doing it.The incidence may even be much higher among passengers who are not aware of the fare changes.Making it obvious to the passenger probably wo n't help much - no one is going to know what the light indicates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the article mention how often the drivers should have charged the higher rate and forgot to?
it would seem that if this were an honest mistake, then these numbers should be similar.
If, on the other hand, the errors are always in the taxi drivers favor, then I would think that makes it more likely something sneaky is going on.
It may also be that only a few drivers are doing it.The incidence may even be much higher among passengers who are not aware of the fare changes.Making it obvious to the passenger probably won't help much - no one is going to know what the light indicates.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_2022232.31467148</id>
	<title>Re:Since when</title>
	<author>mattack2</author>
	<datestamp>1268478600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ignoring the other reply, aren't cab rides charged by time AND distance?  So a half hour wait in traffic would be a lot more than $5?</p><p>I saw on a TV show the other day the cab driver saying something like "the meter doesn't stop until you get out".  Yeah that was fictional, but I thought something this basic would reflect real cabs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignoring the other reply , are n't cab rides charged by time AND distance ?
So a half hour wait in traffic would be a lot more than $ 5 ? I saw on a TV show the other day the cab driver saying something like " the meter does n't stop until you get out " .
Yeah that was fictional , but I thought something this basic would reflect real cabs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignoring the other reply, aren't cab rides charged by time AND distance?
So a half hour wait in traffic would be a lot more than $5?I saw on a TV show the other day the cab driver saying something like "the meter doesn't stop until you get out".
Yeah that was fictional, but I thought something this basic would reflect real cabs.</sentencetext>
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