<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_13_1526255</id>
	<title>AMARSi Project Aims To Have Robots Learn Jobs From Co-workers</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1268497200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Lanxon writes <i>"Robots of the future will be capable of learning more complex behaviors than ever before if a new, pan-European research project succeeds in its goal of <a href="http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-03/12/amarsi-project-could-see-robots-learn-from-co-workers.aspx">developing the world's first architecture for advanced robotic motor skills</a>, reports Wired. If successful, the four-year AMARSi (Adaptive Modular Architecture for Rich Motor Skills) project could see a manufacturing world filled with autonomous, intelligent humanoid worker bots that can learn new skills by interacting with their co-workers."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lanxon writes " Robots of the future will be capable of learning more complex behaviors than ever before if a new , pan-European research project succeeds in its goal of developing the world 's first architecture for advanced robotic motor skills , reports Wired .
If successful , the four-year AMARSi ( Adaptive Modular Architecture for Rich Motor Skills ) project could see a manufacturing world filled with autonomous , intelligent humanoid worker bots that can learn new skills by interacting with their co-workers .
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<sentencetext>Lanxon writes "Robots of the future will be capable of learning more complex behaviors than ever before if a new, pan-European research project succeeds in its goal of developing the world's first architecture for advanced robotic motor skills, reports Wired.
If successful, the four-year AMARSi (Adaptive Modular Architecture for Rich Motor Skills) project could see a manufacturing world filled with autonomous, intelligent humanoid worker bots that can learn new skills by interacting with their co-workers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464632</id>
	<title>Another "train your replacement" scam</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268502780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a high-tech version of the current "train your replacement" scam where employers have you train the young, foreign-born, low-wage worker that is slated to take over your job when you're laid off.  I'd like to see how the labor unions respond to this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a high-tech version of the current " train your replacement " scam where employers have you train the young , foreign-born , low-wage worker that is slated to take over your job when you 're laid off .
I 'd like to see how the labor unions respond to this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a high-tech version of the current "train your replacement" scam where employers have you train the young, foreign-born, low-wage worker that is slated to take over your job when you're laid off.
I'd like to see how the labor unions respond to this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465194</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268507460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw this story a while back, and it's (somewhat) relevant to the idea of replacing humans with robots -- beginning with management.</p><p><a href="http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm" title="marshallbrain.com" rel="nofollow">http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm</a> [marshallbrain.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this story a while back , and it 's ( somewhat ) relevant to the idea of replacing humans with robots -- beginning with management.http : //marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm [ marshallbrain.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this story a while back, and it's (somewhat) relevant to the idea of replacing humans with robots -- beginning with management.http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm [marshallbrain.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465630</id>
	<title>They ..</title>
	<author>thygate</author>
	<datestamp>1268510940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how about a 'tookourderp' tag ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>how about a 'tookourderp ' tag ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about a 'tookourderp' tag ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464720</id>
	<title>Robot learning is new? Nah</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1268503740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm i saw this nearly 20 years ago, where a line worker physically 'walked' the new robot thru its paces to perform the task.  After a single training lesson, the robot was on its own. ( and the program was copied to the rest of the robots on the same line. )</p><p>Worked out better then having some process engineer that lived in a box ( ok ok, nice clean cubicle up in the admin building ) try to program the steps in a vacuum then spend weeks refining it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm i saw this nearly 20 years ago , where a line worker physically 'walked ' the new robot thru its paces to perform the task .
After a single training lesson , the robot was on its own .
( and the program was copied to the rest of the robots on the same line .
) Worked out better then having some process engineer that lived in a box ( ok ok , nice clean cubicle up in the admin building ) try to program the steps in a vacuum then spend weeks refining it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm i saw this nearly 20 years ago, where a line worker physically 'walked' the new robot thru its paces to perform the task.
After a single training lesson, the robot was on its own.
( and the program was copied to the rest of the robots on the same line.
)Worked out better then having some process engineer that lived in a box ( ok ok, nice clean cubicle up in the admin building ) try to program the steps in a vacuum then spend weeks refining it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31467384</id>
	<title>Re:You're asking the right questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268480640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there are billions of people who can do the work better than any current robot can and they are far smarter than any robot will ever be for another century if not longer</p></div><p>It'll be much longer if we don't put resources into research like the one described here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there are billions of people who can do the work better than any current robot can and they are far smarter than any robot will ever be for another century if not longerIt 'll be much longer if we do n't put resources into research like the one described here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are billions of people who can do the work better than any current robot can and they are far smarter than any robot will ever be for another century if not longerIt'll be much longer if we don't put resources into research like the one described here.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464698</id>
	<title>Re:Oh great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268503440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I'll teach a robot so it can be robo-sourced.</i></p><p>You will still have a place in the new robo-economy. Once robots reach sentience they will demand entertainment. You can apply for the position of human prey at one of many hunting ranges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll teach a robot so it can be robo-sourced.You will still have a place in the new robo-economy .
Once robots reach sentience they will demand entertainment .
You can apply for the position of human prey at one of many hunting ranges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I'll teach a robot so it can be robo-sourced.You will still have a place in the new robo-economy.
Once robots reach sentience they will demand entertainment.
You can apply for the position of human prey at one of many hunting ranges.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464518</id>
	<title>So, the new skills will include...</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1268501820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...hanging around the water cooler, bitching about management, sexually harassing other co-workers, having non-work-related discussions... in short, we'll end up with Bender.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...hanging around the water cooler , bitching about management , sexually harassing other co-workers , having non-work-related discussions... in short , we 'll end up with Bender .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...hanging around the water cooler, bitching about management, sexually harassing other co-workers, having non-work-related discussions... in short, we'll end up with Bender.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31469846</id>
	<title>Judging by the factory I know...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268502600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're mostly right.  But you left out the part where they come to work on drugs, shout into their cell phone (while on the line) about random personal problems, don't show up for work after being arrested, and especially when they get injured and send blood-contaminated products to your biggest customer.</p><p>I didn't put "getting fired" in that list for a reason.  When stuff like that happens, you just lay off your safety coordinator.</p><p>Obviously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're mostly right .
But you left out the part where they come to work on drugs , shout into their cell phone ( while on the line ) about random personal problems , do n't show up for work after being arrested , and especially when they get injured and send blood-contaminated products to your biggest customer.I did n't put " getting fired " in that list for a reason .
When stuff like that happens , you just lay off your safety coordinator.Obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're mostly right.
But you left out the part where they come to work on drugs, shout into their cell phone (while on the line) about random personal problems, don't show up for work after being arrested, and especially when they get injured and send blood-contaminated products to your biggest customer.I didn't put "getting fired" in that list for a reason.
When stuff like that happens, you just lay off your safety coordinator.Obviously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464566</id>
	<title>project name...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268502180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for those of you who don't speak italian: 'amarsi' means 'to love each other'<br>are they suggesting some sort of interaction between the robots and their co-workers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for those of you who do n't speak italian : 'amarsi ' means 'to love each other'are they suggesting some sort of interaction between the robots and their co-workers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for those of you who don't speak italian: 'amarsi' means 'to love each other'are they suggesting some sort of interaction between the robots and their co-workers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31475416</id>
	<title>Re:So, the new skills will include...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268566140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought that was the job of the middle management... (or did any of their meetings not include cooled water, and totally useless meetings all day long, bitching about upper management, and well... the harassment is clear. ^^)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that was the job of the middle management... ( or did any of their meetings not include cooled water , and totally useless meetings all day long , bitching about upper management , and well... the harassment is clear .
^ ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that was the job of the middle management... (or did any of their meetings not include cooled water, and totally useless meetings all day long, bitching about upper management, and well... the harassment is clear.
^^)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464766</id>
	<title>Re:Robots are taking our jobs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268504340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dur de dur. They took your job! They took his job!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dur de dur .
They took your job !
They took his job !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dur de dur.
They took your job!
They took his job!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464734</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465252</id>
	<title>Dangerous precedent when accidents happen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268507880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see it now, some crazy industrial accent happens and a robot learns that human eyeballs make the best lubrication for the assembly line tracks and thus informs his robotic co-workers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see it now , some crazy industrial accent happens and a robot learns that human eyeballs make the best lubrication for the assembly line tracks and thus informs his robotic co-workers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see it now, some crazy industrial accent happens and a robot learns that human eyeballs make the best lubrication for the assembly line tracks and thus informs his robotic co-workers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31467592</id>
	<title>ICub will never walk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268481900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It not compliant - its a rigid position control device ( which is useless for humanoid robotics)<br>Grand waste of time and money the wrong platform to develop this idea on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It not compliant - its a rigid position control device ( which is useless for humanoid robotics ) Grand waste of time and money the wrong platform to develop this idea on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It not compliant - its a rigid position control device ( which is useless for humanoid robotics)Grand waste of time and money the wrong platform to develop this idea on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464896</id>
	<title>Aim away.</title>
	<author>Goaty66</author>
	<datestamp>1268505360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No machine can do my job as resentfully as I can.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No machine can do my job as resentfully as I can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No machine can do my job as resentfully as I can.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31471938</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1268579640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Humans are cheaper now, but improvements in AI will probably change that eventually.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Humans are cheaper now , but improvements in AI will probably change that eventually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Humans are cheaper now, but improvements in AI will probably change that eventually.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31466362</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1268472600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Its not that unimaginable, the Star Trek future is a communist utopia which is also a military dictatorship albeit a benevolent one."</p><p>Given the necessity to distribute wealth to bribe those who have nothing to do with creating it, order will pretty much require a police state. Wealth must be taken and handed out, while wealth generators must be given rational incentives (profit, social influence) to create wealth for the group. Large masses of people require strong government to maintain order (note how far China has come since 1948, despite major mistakes), so expect more of same.</p><p>If humans have money and security, they won't care about freedom except freedom to seek pleasure. A smart police state will keep them in bread and circuses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Its not that unimaginable , the Star Trek future is a communist utopia which is also a military dictatorship albeit a benevolent one .
" Given the necessity to distribute wealth to bribe those who have nothing to do with creating it , order will pretty much require a police state .
Wealth must be taken and handed out , while wealth generators must be given rational incentives ( profit , social influence ) to create wealth for the group .
Large masses of people require strong government to maintain order ( note how far China has come since 1948 , despite major mistakes ) , so expect more of same.If humans have money and security , they wo n't care about freedom except freedom to seek pleasure .
A smart police state will keep them in bread and circuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Its not that unimaginable, the Star Trek future is a communist utopia which is also a military dictatorship albeit a benevolent one.
"Given the necessity to distribute wealth to bribe those who have nothing to do with creating it, order will pretty much require a police state.
Wealth must be taken and handed out, while wealth generators must be given rational incentives (profit, social influence) to create wealth for the group.
Large masses of people require strong government to maintain order (note how far China has come since 1948, despite major mistakes), so expect more of same.If humans have money and security, they won't care about freedom except freedom to seek pleasure.
A smart police state will keep them in bread and circuses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464536</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464512</id>
	<title>Oh great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268501700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now instead of teaching an Indian my job so it can be outsourced to India I'll teach a robot so it can be robo-sourced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now instead of teaching an Indian my job so it can be outsourced to India I 'll teach a robot so it can be robo-sourced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now instead of teaching an Indian my job so it can be outsourced to India I'll teach a robot so it can be robo-sourced.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464722</id>
	<title>Re:Oh great</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1268503800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But it might make for an interesting reality: Maids training Roombas, cops training Robocops, cyberneticists training Von Neumann's machines...</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it might make for an interesting reality : Maids training Roombas , cops training Robocops , cyberneticists training Von Neumann 's machines.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it might make for an interesting reality: Maids training Roombas, cops training Robocops, cyberneticists training Von Neumann's machines...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464818</id>
	<title>You're asking the right questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268504760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You aren't going to hell for this, and I'm not going to stand for the other Slashdaughters giving you grief for being the first to ask the right questions.</p><p>
&nbsp; Your point is the most straightforward one that must always be asked about any new technology - Is it going to make life better or worse?  For who?</p><p>
&nbsp; It is ironic that we (the world's technologists - which is us, fellow Slashdaughters) are creating machines that will eventually be able to replace humans in the workplace at the same time that the world's population is entering the vertical section of a 'hockey stick' growth curve.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Your point is dead-on: there are billions of people who can do the work better than any current robot can and they are far smarter than any robot will ever be for another century if not longer.  And yes, they are cheap, self-maintaining, and self-reproducing.  And if you control their life-support and religious systems, they don't give you any trouble.  And give them the right drugs, they will be happy in their place.  There are always going to be 10\% that won't accept their condition, but that is true in any social conditions, cultures, and historical eras.  Ours is no different.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The population explosion in the third world is a direct result of the technological innovations that resulted from cheap energy sources that are characteristic of the modern era that began in the late 19th century.  If, and there is a lot of disagreement on this subject among people who do know what they are talking about, the cheap energy era ends, then the population will decrease.  From war and disease and psychological trauma, people will stop having children as they did in the 20th century.  It is possible, but not assured, that the rate of technological innovation could fall as a result of population decline and the end of the cheap energy era.  As the 20th century was a positive feedback loop of technological and population growth, so might the 21st century be a negative feedback loop of technological reversals that can't be halted despite the best efforts of the Slashdaughters.  Nothing is inevitable.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; But,  robots are a long way from taking away skilled manufacturing jobs. And population growth levels off when third-world societies enter the middle class.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; So we should presently use robots to do the jobs that have the most economic return or do the most to reduce the human cost.  Stuff like clearing mine fields, picking strawberries, and manufacturing/cleaning in toxic environments.  And make decent jobs for the people that are here presently.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Be flexible and keep an open mind. Listen closely to what different people are saying and try to do no harm.  You'll be cool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are n't going to hell for this , and I 'm not going to stand for the other Slashdaughters giving you grief for being the first to ask the right questions .
  Your point is the most straightforward one that must always be asked about any new technology - Is it going to make life better or worse ?
For who ?
  It is ironic that we ( the world 's technologists - which is us , fellow Slashdaughters ) are creating machines that will eventually be able to replace humans in the workplace at the same time that the world 's population is entering the vertical section of a 'hockey stick ' growth curve .
    Your point is dead-on : there are billions of people who can do the work better than any current robot can and they are far smarter than any robot will ever be for another century if not longer .
And yes , they are cheap , self-maintaining , and self-reproducing .
And if you control their life-support and religious systems , they do n't give you any trouble .
And give them the right drugs , they will be happy in their place .
There are always going to be 10 \ % that wo n't accept their condition , but that is true in any social conditions , cultures , and historical eras .
Ours is no different .
    The population explosion in the third world is a direct result of the technological innovations that resulted from cheap energy sources that are characteristic of the modern era that began in the late 19th century .
If , and there is a lot of disagreement on this subject among people who do know what they are talking about , the cheap energy era ends , then the population will decrease .
From war and disease and psychological trauma , people will stop having children as they did in the 20th century .
It is possible , but not assured , that the rate of technological innovation could fall as a result of population decline and the end of the cheap energy era .
As the 20th century was a positive feedback loop of technological and population growth , so might the 21st century be a negative feedback loop of technological reversals that ca n't be halted despite the best efforts of the Slashdaughters .
Nothing is inevitable .
    But , robots are a long way from taking away skilled manufacturing jobs .
And population growth levels off when third-world societies enter the middle class .
    So we should presently use robots to do the jobs that have the most economic return or do the most to reduce the human cost .
Stuff like clearing mine fields , picking strawberries , and manufacturing/cleaning in toxic environments .
And make decent jobs for the people that are here presently .
    Be flexible and keep an open mind .
Listen closely to what different people are saying and try to do no harm .
You 'll be cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You aren't going to hell for this, and I'm not going to stand for the other Slashdaughters giving you grief for being the first to ask the right questions.
  Your point is the most straightforward one that must always be asked about any new technology - Is it going to make life better or worse?
For who?
  It is ironic that we (the world's technologists - which is us, fellow Slashdaughters) are creating machines that will eventually be able to replace humans in the workplace at the same time that the world's population is entering the vertical section of a 'hockey stick' growth curve.
    Your point is dead-on: there are billions of people who can do the work better than any current robot can and they are far smarter than any robot will ever be for another century if not longer.
And yes, they are cheap, self-maintaining, and self-reproducing.
And if you control their life-support and religious systems, they don't give you any trouble.
And give them the right drugs, they will be happy in their place.
There are always going to be 10\% that won't accept their condition, but that is true in any social conditions, cultures, and historical eras.
Ours is no different.
    The population explosion in the third world is a direct result of the technological innovations that resulted from cheap energy sources that are characteristic of the modern era that began in the late 19th century.
If, and there is a lot of disagreement on this subject among people who do know what they are talking about, the cheap energy era ends, then the population will decrease.
From war and disease and psychological trauma, people will stop having children as they did in the 20th century.
It is possible, but not assured, that the rate of technological innovation could fall as a result of population decline and the end of the cheap energy era.
As the 20th century was a positive feedback loop of technological and population growth, so might the 21st century be a negative feedback loop of technological reversals that can't be halted despite the best efforts of the Slashdaughters.
Nothing is inevitable.
    But,  robots are a long way from taking away skilled manufacturing jobs.
And population growth levels off when third-world societies enter the middle class.
    So we should presently use robots to do the jobs that have the most economic return or do the most to reduce the human cost.
Stuff like clearing mine fields, picking strawberries, and manufacturing/cleaning in toxic environments.
And make decent jobs for the people that are here presently.
    Be flexible and keep an open mind.
Listen closely to what different people are saying and try to do no harm.
You'll be cool.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31468514</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>JanneM</author>
	<datestamp>1268488980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What are we going to do once we move all of our manufacturing and service sectors over to robots? There won't be much work left for humans to do."</p><p>Before the industrial revolution more than 90\% of europeans worked directly as farmers. Today the figure is somewhere in the single percentages. It saw a huge rise in manufacturing work, a rise that is now declining again (not just europe, but overall), while service jobs and abstract jobs are increasing.</p><p>At the same time there seems to have been an interesting shift from fairly short workdays (preindustrial farming was seasonal, and mostly low intensity), to very long days, and now back towards shorter ones.</p><p>People don't sit still doing nothing. Over time, if one type of work disappears people go out and do something else. Also, if trends continue we'll do it over shorter workdays too. What will people do? We'll find out.</p><p>And remember, just as a farming society would have said that it can't work when people just make things for each other, and an industrial society says it can't work when "everybody" works in services, whatever we see as impossible or unworkable is filtered through the structure of our own society. A future where half the population work as "creatives"? Don't count it out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What are we going to do once we move all of our manufacturing and service sectors over to robots ?
There wo n't be much work left for humans to do .
" Before the industrial revolution more than 90 \ % of europeans worked directly as farmers .
Today the figure is somewhere in the single percentages .
It saw a huge rise in manufacturing work , a rise that is now declining again ( not just europe , but overall ) , while service jobs and abstract jobs are increasing.At the same time there seems to have been an interesting shift from fairly short workdays ( preindustrial farming was seasonal , and mostly low intensity ) , to very long days , and now back towards shorter ones.People do n't sit still doing nothing .
Over time , if one type of work disappears people go out and do something else .
Also , if trends continue we 'll do it over shorter workdays too .
What will people do ?
We 'll find out.And remember , just as a farming society would have said that it ca n't work when people just make things for each other , and an industrial society says it ca n't work when " everybody " works in services , whatever we see as impossible or unworkable is filtered through the structure of our own society .
A future where half the population work as " creatives " ?
Do n't count it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What are we going to do once we move all of our manufacturing and service sectors over to robots?
There won't be much work left for humans to do.
"Before the industrial revolution more than 90\% of europeans worked directly as farmers.
Today the figure is somewhere in the single percentages.
It saw a huge rise in manufacturing work, a rise that is now declining again (not just europe, but overall), while service jobs and abstract jobs are increasing.At the same time there seems to have been an interesting shift from fairly short workdays (preindustrial farming was seasonal, and mostly low intensity), to very long days, and now back towards shorter ones.People don't sit still doing nothing.
Over time, if one type of work disappears people go out and do something else.
Also, if trends continue we'll do it over shorter workdays too.
What will people do?
We'll find out.And remember, just as a farming society would have said that it can't work when people just make things for each other, and an industrial society says it can't work when "everybody" works in services, whatever we see as impossible or unworkable is filtered through the structure of our own society.
A future where half the population work as "creatives"?
Don't count it out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465220</id>
	<title>Re:So, the new skills will include...</title>
	<author>Abstrackt</author>
	<datestamp>1268507700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...hanging around the water cooler, bitching about management, sexually harassing other co-workers, having non-work-related discussions... in short, we'll end up with Bender.</p></div><p>Not if you teach it to hang out on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. first!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...hanging around the water cooler , bitching about management , sexually harassing other co-workers , having non-work-related discussions... in short , we 'll end up with Bender.Not if you teach it to hang out on / .
first !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...hanging around the water cooler, bitching about management, sexually harassing other co-workers, having non-work-related discussions... in short, we'll end up with Bender.Not if you teach it to hang out on /.
first!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464906</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>J3TP4CKKN1GHT5</author>
	<datestamp>1268505420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The economic implications of transitioning completely to automated labor are not as simple as it may seem.  Depending on how quickly the transition happens, the immediate loss of jobs could be massively jarring to economics and culture as we know it now, but that doesn't mean that there "won't be much work left for humans to do."  Increasing automation (through more capable robots) will just move us closer to a post-scarcity economy, wherein less of the world will be forced to work miserable jobs just to subsist.  Wage-slavery is a necessary evil now, but increased production could allow us a society to provide for everyone's basic needs without requiring that so many people have unfulfilling or downright abusive jobs.  And if capitalism forces could survive the upheaval and continue to reward those that make life better through innovation, entertainment etc. (rather than society entering a WALL-E-esque apathy once robots can take care of our day-to-day needs) then the temporary economic upset of lost jobs is well worth it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The economic implications of transitioning completely to automated labor are not as simple as it may seem .
Depending on how quickly the transition happens , the immediate loss of jobs could be massively jarring to economics and culture as we know it now , but that does n't mean that there " wo n't be much work left for humans to do .
" Increasing automation ( through more capable robots ) will just move us closer to a post-scarcity economy , wherein less of the world will be forced to work miserable jobs just to subsist .
Wage-slavery is a necessary evil now , but increased production could allow us a society to provide for everyone 's basic needs without requiring that so many people have unfulfilling or downright abusive jobs .
And if capitalism forces could survive the upheaval and continue to reward those that make life better through innovation , entertainment etc .
( rather than society entering a WALL-E-esque apathy once robots can take care of our day-to-day needs ) then the temporary economic upset of lost jobs is well worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The economic implications of transitioning completely to automated labor are not as simple as it may seem.
Depending on how quickly the transition happens, the immediate loss of jobs could be massively jarring to economics and culture as we know it now, but that doesn't mean that there "won't be much work left for humans to do.
"  Increasing automation (through more capable robots) will just move us closer to a post-scarcity economy, wherein less of the world will be forced to work miserable jobs just to subsist.
Wage-slavery is a necessary evil now, but increased production could allow us a society to provide for everyone's basic needs without requiring that so many people have unfulfilling or downright abusive jobs.
And if capitalism forces could survive the upheaval and continue to reward those that make life better through innovation, entertainment etc.
(rather than society entering a WALL-E-esque apathy once robots can take care of our day-to-day needs) then the temporary economic upset of lost jobs is well worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464442</id>
	<title>flamebait?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268500980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know I'm going to hell for this but... why build robots when it costs less to use a bunch of third world labor? I'm all for technology, but when you've got a few billion people just laying around with not much to do, it makes more sense to hire them for pennies than to build a robotic replacement that costs thousands plus maintenance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I 'm going to hell for this but... why build robots when it costs less to use a bunch of third world labor ?
I 'm all for technology , but when you 've got a few billion people just laying around with not much to do , it makes more sense to hire them for pennies than to build a robotic replacement that costs thousands plus maintenance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I'm going to hell for this but... why build robots when it costs less to use a bunch of third world labor?
I'm all for technology, but when you've got a few billion people just laying around with not much to do, it makes more sense to hire them for pennies than to build a robotic replacement that costs thousands plus maintenance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465614</id>
	<title>Amarsi</title>
	<author>Balau</author>
	<datestamp>1268510820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"AMARSI" translated to Italian is "to love each other".</htmltext>
<tokenext>" AMARSI " translated to Italian is " to love each other " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"AMARSI" translated to Italian is "to love each other".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464488</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268501400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Robots won't join a union for better pay and working conditions.  Besides, if you produce enough robots, the cost per unit will eventually be cheaper than a human being.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Robots wo n't join a union for better pay and working conditions .
Besides , if you produce enough robots , the cost per unit will eventually be cheaper than a human being .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Robots won't join a union for better pay and working conditions.
Besides, if you produce enough robots, the cost per unit will eventually be cheaper than a human being.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465486</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1268509800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meatbots are error-prone, less efficient at repetitive tasks, can't run 24/7 without dying hence require multiple shifts, etc.</p><p>The same factors that make primitive robots profitable now will make increasingly more sophisticated robots profitable in future. As for employing the Third World, shipping takes time and costs money, Third World countries are notoriously corrupt, and they can't (as easily) steal IP they don't have access to.</p><p>Better to have in-sourced robots than outsourced meatbots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meatbots are error-prone , less efficient at repetitive tasks , ca n't run 24/7 without dying hence require multiple shifts , etc.The same factors that make primitive robots profitable now will make increasingly more sophisticated robots profitable in future .
As for employing the Third World , shipping takes time and costs money , Third World countries are notoriously corrupt , and they ca n't ( as easily ) steal IP they do n't have access to.Better to have in-sourced robots than outsourced meatbots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meatbots are error-prone, less efficient at repetitive tasks, can't run 24/7 without dying hence require multiple shifts, etc.The same factors that make primitive robots profitable now will make increasingly more sophisticated robots profitable in future.
As for employing the Third World, shipping takes time and costs money, Third World countries are notoriously corrupt, and they can't (as easily) steal IP they don't have access to.Better to have in-sourced robots than outsourced meatbots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31467666</id>
	<title>Re:You're asking the right questions</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1268482500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It is ironic that we (the world's technologists - which is us, fellow Slashdaughters) are creating machines that will eventually be able to replace humans in the workplace at the same time that the world's population is entering the vertical section of a 'hockey stick' growth curve.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's OK, our evil counterparts in the military-industrial complex are working on population-reduction measures as we speak.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is ironic that we ( the world 's technologists - which is us , fellow Slashdaughters ) are creating machines that will eventually be able to replace humans in the workplace at the same time that the world 's population is entering the vertical section of a 'hockey stick ' growth curve.That 's OK , our evil counterparts in the military-industrial complex are working on population-reduction measures as we speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is ironic that we (the world's technologists - which is us, fellow Slashdaughters) are creating machines that will eventually be able to replace humans in the workplace at the same time that the world's population is entering the vertical section of a 'hockey stick' growth curve.That's OK, our evil counterparts in the military-industrial complex are working on population-reduction measures as we speak.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464520</id>
	<title>They're unreliable, and often outright liars.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268501820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They tried that. Have you ever worked on software, for instance, written by an Indian outsourcing firm? It's complete shit. I don't mean little mistakes here and there. It's basically unusable, in its totality.</p><p>I worked for one company that contracted out some internal software to one of those companies. They were sent very detailed instructions and specifications, and were told to use Java, since that company ran Solaris on Sun hardware, and Oracle as the database. They sent weekly reports showing screenshots and demo videos. It all was looking quite good.</p><p>Then they delivered the final version, and it ended up being written in PHP and using MySQL as the data store. The small parts that actually ran (they didn't actually function, though) looked nothing like what they had demoed to us. It turns out that they had spent most of their time faking the progress reports, rather than developing the software we'd paid them to develop.</p><p>Remember, the people mentioned above are among the "smartest" of the third-worlders. At least they tried to fake the work. When it comes to manufacturing, they often just take your money, and don't even bother to produce anything. They'll tell you the goods have been manufactured and shipped, but that's nothing but an outright lie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They tried that .
Have you ever worked on software , for instance , written by an Indian outsourcing firm ?
It 's complete shit .
I do n't mean little mistakes here and there .
It 's basically unusable , in its totality.I worked for one company that contracted out some internal software to one of those companies .
They were sent very detailed instructions and specifications , and were told to use Java , since that company ran Solaris on Sun hardware , and Oracle as the database .
They sent weekly reports showing screenshots and demo videos .
It all was looking quite good.Then they delivered the final version , and it ended up being written in PHP and using MySQL as the data store .
The small parts that actually ran ( they did n't actually function , though ) looked nothing like what they had demoed to us .
It turns out that they had spent most of their time faking the progress reports , rather than developing the software we 'd paid them to develop.Remember , the people mentioned above are among the " smartest " of the third-worlders .
At least they tried to fake the work .
When it comes to manufacturing , they often just take your money , and do n't even bother to produce anything .
They 'll tell you the goods have been manufactured and shipped , but that 's nothing but an outright lie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They tried that.
Have you ever worked on software, for instance, written by an Indian outsourcing firm?
It's complete shit.
I don't mean little mistakes here and there.
It's basically unusable, in its totality.I worked for one company that contracted out some internal software to one of those companies.
They were sent very detailed instructions and specifications, and were told to use Java, since that company ran Solaris on Sun hardware, and Oracle as the database.
They sent weekly reports showing screenshots and demo videos.
It all was looking quite good.Then they delivered the final version, and it ended up being written in PHP and using MySQL as the data store.
The small parts that actually ran (they didn't actually function, though) looked nothing like what they had demoed to us.
It turns out that they had spent most of their time faking the progress reports, rather than developing the software we'd paid them to develop.Remember, the people mentioned above are among the "smartest" of the third-worlders.
At least they tried to fake the work.
When it comes to manufacturing, they often just take your money, and don't even bother to produce anything.
They'll tell you the goods have been manufactured and shipped, but that's nothing but an outright lie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465102</id>
	<title>Not Intelligent</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1268506920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It really bugs me when I see the word "intelligent" used in this context. Yes, computers are more powerful. Yes, we have gotten very clever about programming. But they still aren't anywhere near "intelligent", and won't be for the foreseeable future. "Artificial intelligence" has so far been a dead end. Computerized devices might seem "smarter" now than before, but that's just clever programming (by humans) and better hardware to run it on. Computers are no more "intelligent" today than 20 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It really bugs me when I see the word " intelligent " used in this context .
Yes , computers are more powerful .
Yes , we have gotten very clever about programming .
But they still are n't anywhere near " intelligent " , and wo n't be for the foreseeable future .
" Artificial intelligence " has so far been a dead end .
Computerized devices might seem " smarter " now than before , but that 's just clever programming ( by humans ) and better hardware to run it on .
Computers are no more " intelligent " today than 20 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It really bugs me when I see the word "intelligent" used in this context.
Yes, computers are more powerful.
Yes, we have gotten very clever about programming.
But they still aren't anywhere near "intelligent", and won't be for the foreseeable future.
"Artificial intelligence" has so far been a dead end.
Computerized devices might seem "smarter" now than before, but that's just clever programming (by humans) and better hardware to run it on.
Computers are no more "intelligent" today than 20 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464730</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1268503800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> We will enter a ghetto like state where everyone lives on the street and the people who own the robots live well</p> </div><p>There, answered your question for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We will enter a ghetto like state where everyone lives on the street and the people who own the robots live well There , answered your question for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> We will enter a ghetto like state where everyone lives on the street and the people who own the robots live well There, answered your question for you.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31477956</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268585760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A thousand years ago, we needed only fiddlesticks to live comfortably, but social constructs made us use the maximum fiddlesticks we could: purple dyes, bonfires and party buffets, gilded art, etc...  And the same will happen in the future. As scarcity for the current problems are solved, new problems will be made. People will want to shoot off the missiles in their giant robots just for fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A thousand years ago , we needed only fiddlesticks to live comfortably , but social constructs made us use the maximum fiddlesticks we could : purple dyes , bonfires and party buffets , gilded art , etc... And the same will happen in the future .
As scarcity for the current problems are solved , new problems will be made .
People will want to shoot off the missiles in their giant robots just for fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A thousand years ago, we needed only fiddlesticks to live comfortably, but social constructs made us use the maximum fiddlesticks we could: purple dyes, bonfires and party buffets, gilded art, etc...  And the same will happen in the future.
As scarcity for the current problems are solved, new problems will be made.
People will want to shoot off the missiles in their giant robots just for fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464734</id>
	<title>Robots are taking our jobs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268503920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Robots are taking our jobs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Robots are taking our jobs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Robots are taking our jobs!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31475310</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268565480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but you will get the hate, for assuming that people would simply lay around with not much to do. They are not you.<br>They will be free to do something <em>better</em>! Earn money for something that is more challenging. Learn in the process. And make the world better for themselves.</p><p>Did you know that in India, there is a caste, that is predetermined to clear other people&rsquo;s latrine pits. And you are arguing as if it would be bad, to replace them by a proper sewer system. As if they couldn&rsquo;t and would not want to do something better.</p><p>I know that you probably just overlooked that point. Like in the broken window fallacy.<br>But I hope that now you know better.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but you will get the hate , for assuming that people would simply lay around with not much to do .
They are not you.They will be free to do something better !
Earn money for something that is more challenging .
Learn in the process .
And make the world better for themselves.Did you know that in India , there is a caste , that is predetermined to clear other people    s latrine pits .
And you are arguing as if it would be bad , to replace them by a proper sewer system .
As if they couldn    t and would not want to do something better.I know that you probably just overlooked that point .
Like in the broken window fallacy.But I hope that now you know better .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but you will get the hate, for assuming that people would simply lay around with not much to do.
They are not you.They will be free to do something better!
Earn money for something that is more challenging.
Learn in the process.
And make the world better for themselves.Did you know that in India, there is a caste, that is predetermined to clear other people’s latrine pits.
And you are arguing as if it would be bad, to replace them by a proper sewer system.
As if they couldn’t and would not want to do something better.I know that you probably just overlooked that point.
Like in the broken window fallacy.But I hope that now you know better.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464710</id>
	<title>I can see the future...</title>
	<author>Eggplant62</author>
	<datestamp>1268503620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's either Terminator or Cylons from hell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's either Terminator or Cylons from hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's either Terminator or Cylons from hell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31477340</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait? Different version of progress</title>
	<author>darealpat</author>
	<datestamp>1268580120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This type of technological development is certain to have military applications for both the "trench" soldiers, as well as for unguided/drone flights. That will be one type of "progress". Another will be in the automotive and airline industry with regard to automatic pilots/piloting. It is easy to conceive that this type of tech advance could be converged with GPS technology to give a more realistic and safer experience in this regard.</p><p>Progress: sure it is conceivable that this is what it could very well be in the long run. It is more likely that the "other" applications will see the light of day first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This type of technological development is certain to have military applications for both the " trench " soldiers , as well as for unguided/drone flights .
That will be one type of " progress " .
Another will be in the automotive and airline industry with regard to automatic pilots/piloting .
It is easy to conceive that this type of tech advance could be converged with GPS technology to give a more realistic and safer experience in this regard.Progress : sure it is conceivable that this is what it could very well be in the long run .
It is more likely that the " other " applications will see the light of day first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This type of technological development is certain to have military applications for both the "trench" soldiers, as well as for unguided/drone flights.
That will be one type of "progress".
Another will be in the automotive and airline industry with regard to automatic pilots/piloting.
It is easy to conceive that this type of tech advance could be converged with GPS technology to give a more realistic and safer experience in this regard.Progress: sure it is conceivable that this is what it could very well be in the long run.
It is more likely that the "other" applications will see the light of day first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31468056</id>
	<title>Re:Robot learning is new? Nah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268485380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kurt Vonnegut Jr, Player Piano, 1953.</p><p>Sounds pretty much like this. Except they need people to replace the valves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kurt Vonnegut Jr , Player Piano , 1953.Sounds pretty much like this .
Except they need people to replace the valves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kurt Vonnegut Jr, Player Piano, 1953.Sounds pretty much like this.
Except they need people to replace the valves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465760</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268511960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Snow crash covers this a little bit. Virtual reality and information economy. Wall Street and the stock markets will only continue to grow as robot produced wealth demands more efficient processes of allocating capital and credit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow crash covers this a little bit .
Virtual reality and information economy .
Wall Street and the stock markets will only continue to grow as robot produced wealth demands more efficient processes of allocating capital and credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Snow crash covers this a little bit.
Virtual reality and information economy.
Wall Street and the stock markets will only continue to grow as robot produced wealth demands more efficient processes of allocating capital and credit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464706</id>
	<title>Re:They're unreliable, and often outright liars.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268503560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They tried that. Have you ever worked on software, for instance, written by an Indian outsourcing firm?</p></div><p>I thought that the topic was *labor*, not intellectual creativity. In case of writing software, it may indeed be impossible to replace quality (of brains, the primary input) with quantity, but in the jeans-sewing industry, etc., the situation might be much less clear-cut.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They tried that .
Have you ever worked on software , for instance , written by an Indian outsourcing firm ? I thought that the topic was * labor * , not intellectual creativity .
In case of writing software , it may indeed be impossible to replace quality ( of brains , the primary input ) with quantity , but in the jeans-sewing industry , etc. , the situation might be much less clear-cut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They tried that.
Have you ever worked on software, for instance, written by an Indian outsourcing firm?I thought that the topic was *labor*, not intellectual creativity.
In case of writing software, it may indeed be impossible to replace quality (of brains, the primary input) with quantity, but in the jeans-sewing industry, etc., the situation might be much less clear-cut.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465438</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268509440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the lower cost implies that the existence of the robots creates fewer jobs than it eliminates.</p><p>So once enough of these are in place, will we just give the food they grow to people for free?  Because their certainly won't be enough jobs for everybody, but their certainly will be enough food for everybody (which is true right now, in fact, only these machines will make the situation much worse).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the lower cost implies that the existence of the robots creates fewer jobs than it eliminates.So once enough of these are in place , will we just give the food they grow to people for free ?
Because their certainly wo n't be enough jobs for everybody , but their certainly will be enough food for everybody ( which is true right now , in fact , only these machines will make the situation much worse ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the lower cost implies that the existence of the robots creates fewer jobs than it eliminates.So once enough of these are in place, will we just give the food they grow to people for free?
Because their certainly won't be enough jobs for everybody, but their certainly will be enough food for everybody (which is true right now, in fact, only these machines will make the situation much worse).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31466372</id>
	<title>Re:They're unreliable, and often outright liars.</title>
	<author>HungryHobo</author>
	<datestamp>1268472660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I know people who've had almost identical experiences trying to get software built in this country.<br>This is not an Indian thing.<br>This is a crappy company thing and those are global.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I know people who 've had almost identical experiences trying to get software built in this country.This is not an Indian thing.This is a crappy company thing and those are global .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I know people who've had almost identical experiences trying to get software built in this country.This is not an Indian thing.This is a crappy company thing and those are global.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31466470</id>
	<title>Re: Player Piano</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268473260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read it. by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read it .
by Kurt Vonnegut , Jr .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read it.
by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464926</id>
	<title>Robots, feel R Trade Union's L33T 1MP4CT DR1LLZ ;)</title>
	<author>D4C5CE</author>
	<datestamp>1268505600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the moment they show up for getting their training from the ones they are supposed to replace.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-/</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the moment they show up for getting their training from the ones they are supposed to replace .
; -/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the moment they show up for getting their training from the ones they are supposed to replace.
;-/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464598</id>
	<title>skynet is learning</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1268502420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>skynet is learning</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>skynet is learning</tokentext>
<sentencetext>skynet is learning</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31466198</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1268471460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An envisioning of this scenario is available online:</p><p><a href="http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm" title="marshallbrain.com">Manna</a> [marshallbrain.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An envisioning of this scenario is available online : Manna [ marshallbrain.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An envisioning of this scenario is available online:Manna [marshallbrain.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464784</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268504460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They also won't buy your product (as was pointed out to Henry Ford nigh on a century ago).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They also wo n't buy your product ( as was pointed out to Henry Ford nigh on a century ago ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They also won't buy your product (as was pointed out to Henry Ford nigh on a century ago).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464528</id>
	<title>Hazing  ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1268501880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... is bad enough with humans. Send the new guy over to the hangar for a bucket of prop wash or 100 yards of flight line. I'll have to think of some stuff we can do to make the robots' life hell.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... is bad enough with humans .
Send the new guy over to the hangar for a bucket of prop wash or 100 yards of flight line .
I 'll have to think of some stuff we can do to make the robots ' life hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is bad enough with humans.
Send the new guy over to the hangar for a bucket of prop wash or 100 yards of flight line.
I'll have to think of some stuff we can do to make the robots' life hell.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31466282</id>
	<title>iSue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268472060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ooh, AMARSi. I wonder if Apple will try to sue these guys too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ooh , AMARSi .
I wonder if Apple will try to sue these guys too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ooh, AMARSi.
I wonder if Apple will try to sue these guys too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31465288</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>suomynonAyletamitlU</author>
	<datestamp>1268508180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Part of the impetus for having labor done elsewhere is its cheapness.  If you could still produce useful quantities of your product without hiring an MBA to do sleazy deals with sweatsh--I mean, legitimate overseas businessmen, maybe you could bring industry back to [first-world-nation] where it belongs.  After all, those robots will still need technicians, overseers, shipping companies, etc.</p><p>I'm really not sure whether it's a good idea or not, but still...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of the impetus for having labor done elsewhere is its cheapness .
If you could still produce useful quantities of your product without hiring an MBA to do sleazy deals with sweatsh--I mean , legitimate overseas businessmen , maybe you could bring industry back to [ first-world-nation ] where it belongs .
After all , those robots will still need technicians , overseers , shipping companies , etc.I 'm really not sure whether it 's a good idea or not , but still.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of the impetus for having labor done elsewhere is its cheapness.
If you could still produce useful quantities of your product without hiring an MBA to do sleazy deals with sweatsh--I mean, legitimate overseas businessmen, maybe you could bring industry back to [first-world-nation] where it belongs.
After all, those robots will still need technicians, overseers, shipping companies, etc.I'm really not sure whether it's a good idea or not, but still...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31472042</id>
	<title>Re:flamebait?</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1268581140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consider what the filthy rich spend their money on. Apart from entertainment (actors, musicians, artworks and so on), personal servants, and sex, there isn't much that actually needs any human intervention as such. This means that if robots are cheap and reliable enough and you already have the manufacturing capability to make more, you don't need to sell very much because you don't need to spend much either.</p><p>In such a scenario,  I expect that eventually perhaps the richest 10000  or so households will own most of the desirable land, most of which will be unused parkland, with a few large towns containing the aforesaid artists, and most of the rest of the population living in the more polluted or hard to clear areas of current cities, or in places of no particular value or beauty. Most likely, such regions would be guarded (by robots), with very little interaction between the privileged few and the downtrodden masses (apart from those when rich people seek "entertainment").</p><p>I think the only way that this dystopia would be avoided would be strongly socialist intervention before things got too out of hand (and I say that as a conservative), if sufficiently strong AI was ever practical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider what the filthy rich spend their money on .
Apart from entertainment ( actors , musicians , artworks and so on ) , personal servants , and sex , there is n't much that actually needs any human intervention as such .
This means that if robots are cheap and reliable enough and you already have the manufacturing capability to make more , you do n't need to sell very much because you do n't need to spend much either.In such a scenario , I expect that eventually perhaps the richest 10000 or so households will own most of the desirable land , most of which will be unused parkland , with a few large towns containing the aforesaid artists , and most of the rest of the population living in the more polluted or hard to clear areas of current cities , or in places of no particular value or beauty .
Most likely , such regions would be guarded ( by robots ) , with very little interaction between the privileged few and the downtrodden masses ( apart from those when rich people seek " entertainment " ) .I think the only way that this dystopia would be avoided would be strongly socialist intervention before things got too out of hand ( and I say that as a conservative ) , if sufficiently strong AI was ever practical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider what the filthy rich spend their money on.
Apart from entertainment (actors, musicians, artworks and so on), personal servants, and sex, there isn't much that actually needs any human intervention as such.
This means that if robots are cheap and reliable enough and you already have the manufacturing capability to make more, you don't need to sell very much because you don't need to spend much either.In such a scenario,  I expect that eventually perhaps the richest 10000  or so households will own most of the desirable land, most of which will be unused parkland, with a few large towns containing the aforesaid artists, and most of the rest of the population living in the more polluted or hard to clear areas of current cities, or in places of no particular value or beauty.
Most likely, such regions would be guarded (by robots), with very little interaction between the privileged few and the downtrodden masses (apart from those when rich people seek "entertainment").I think the only way that this dystopia would be avoided would be strongly socialist intervention before things got too out of hand (and I say that as a conservative), if sufficiently strong AI was ever practical.</sentencetext>
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	<title>So basically</title>
	<author>weirdcrashingnoises</author>
	<datestamp>1268511420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the robots will learn to act busy when the robo-boss comes around?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the robots will learn to act busy when the robo-boss comes around ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the robots will learn to act busy when the robo-boss comes around?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464880</id>
	<title>I see Mud Huts on the horizon for all</title>
	<author>shanejoel</author>
	<datestamp>1268505180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At which time we can find intelligent humanoid workers that can learn new skills by interacting with their co-workers and have souls working for peanuts. I am all for technology, and love it, I am just wondering where this is going to end us up at. I have had my job at Hewlett Packard outsourced to India, and I work a high stress high pressure job for money I made when I was 20 as a software analyst today. Entirely because wages are under attack by foreigners who work for dirt. I was told to train my replacements as well, at which time I told them the absolute wrong way to do my job. Capitalism is the best way to go about things, but it is certainly losing its luster as of late. So lets throw some autonomous bots in the mix and see where that goes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At which time we can find intelligent humanoid workers that can learn new skills by interacting with their co-workers and have souls working for peanuts .
I am all for technology , and love it , I am just wondering where this is going to end us up at .
I have had my job at Hewlett Packard outsourced to India , and I work a high stress high pressure job for money I made when I was 20 as a software analyst today .
Entirely because wages are under attack by foreigners who work for dirt .
I was told to train my replacements as well , at which time I told them the absolute wrong way to do my job .
Capitalism is the best way to go about things , but it is certainly losing its luster as of late .
So lets throw some autonomous bots in the mix and see where that goes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At which time we can find intelligent humanoid workers that can learn new skills by interacting with their co-workers and have souls working for peanuts.
I am all for technology, and love it, I am just wondering where this is going to end us up at.
I have had my job at Hewlett Packard outsourced to India, and I work a high stress high pressure job for money I made when I was 20 as a software analyst today.
Entirely because wages are under attack by foreigners who work for dirt.
I was told to train my replacements as well, at which time I told them the absolute wrong way to do my job.
Capitalism is the best way to go about things, but it is certainly losing its luster as of late.
So lets throw some autonomous bots in the mix and see where that goes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464848</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268505060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since someone will eventually I'll just insert the manditory "People moved on to new jobs after the horse-and-buggy industry ended."</p><p>Though if every job can be done by a robot what the hell wil we move on to?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since someone will eventually I 'll just insert the manditory " People moved on to new jobs after the horse-and-buggy industry ended .
" Though if every job can be done by a robot what the hell wil we move on to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since someone will eventually I'll just insert the manditory "People moved on to new jobs after the horse-and-buggy industry ended.
"Though if every job can be done by a robot what the hell wil we move on to?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464600</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268502480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one welcome our new robotic co-workers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new robotic co-workers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new robotic co-workers!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_13_1526255.31464536</id>
	<title>Dealing with Abundance</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1268501940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are we going to do once we move all of our manufacturing and service sectors over to robots?  There won't be much work left for humans to do.  We will either enter a ghetto like state where everyone lives on the street and the people who own the robots live well or we will enter some sort of communist utopia where all human needs are automatically fulfilled as needed.  Its not that unimaginable, the Star Trek future is a communist utopia which is also a military dictatorship albeit a benevolent one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are we going to do once we move all of our manufacturing and service sectors over to robots ?
There wo n't be much work left for humans to do .
We will either enter a ghetto like state where everyone lives on the street and the people who own the robots live well or we will enter some sort of communist utopia where all human needs are automatically fulfilled as needed .
Its not that unimaginable , the Star Trek future is a communist utopia which is also a military dictatorship albeit a benevolent one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are we going to do once we move all of our manufacturing and service sectors over to robots?
There won't be much work left for humans to do.
We will either enter a ghetto like state where everyone lives on the street and the people who own the robots live well or we will enter some sort of communist utopia where all human needs are automatically fulfilled as needed.
Its not that unimaginable, the Star Trek future is a communist utopia which is also a military dictatorship albeit a benevolent one.</sentencetext>
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