<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_12_0210248</id>
	<title>Zeus Botnet Down But Not Out</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268414400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>harryjohnston writes <i>"The Register points out that the <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/03/10/2255252/Zeus-Botnet-Dealt-a-Blow-As-ISPs-Troyak-Group-3-Knocked-Out">takedown of a significant number of Zeus command-and-control servers</a>, which we discussed earlier, was a short-lived victory, as about one-third of the affected servers were <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/11/zeus\_botnets\_resurrected/">back on the net in less than 48 hours</a>."</i> Adds itwbennet: <i>"Just hours after network connectivity to Troyak was severed <a href="http://www.itworld.com/internet/100067/after-takedown-botnet-linked-isp-troyak-resurfaces">the ISP peered with a new upstream Internet service provider named Ya</a>. The next step will be to 'de-peer' Troyak from its new service provider, either an ISP named Nassist or its upstream provider, Hurricane Electric, said a researcher familiar with the matter. 'We have taken some of their territory, they are trying to out flank us,' the researcher said via IM. 'We are going to win this one &mdash; we have 'em boxed in.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>harryjohnston writes " The Register points out that the takedown of a significant number of Zeus command-and-control servers , which we discussed earlier , was a short-lived victory , as about one-third of the affected servers were back on the net in less than 48 hours .
" Adds itwbennet : " Just hours after network connectivity to Troyak was severed the ISP peered with a new upstream Internet service provider named Ya .
The next step will be to 'de-peer ' Troyak from its new service provider , either an ISP named Nassist or its upstream provider , Hurricane Electric , said a researcher familiar with the matter .
'We have taken some of their territory , they are trying to out flank us, ' the researcher said via IM .
'We are going to win this one    we have 'em boxed in .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>harryjohnston writes "The Register points out that the takedown of a significant number of Zeus command-and-control servers, which we discussed earlier, was a short-lived victory, as about one-third of the affected servers were back on the net in less than 48 hours.
" Adds itwbennet: "Just hours after network connectivity to Troyak was severed the ISP peered with a new upstream Internet service provider named Ya.
The next step will be to 'de-peer' Troyak from its new service provider, either an ISP named Nassist or its upstream provider, Hurricane Electric, said a researcher familiar with the matter.
'We have taken some of their territory, they are trying to out flank us,' the researcher said via IM.
'We are going to win this one — we have 'em boxed in.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449064</id>
	<title>Botnets</title>
	<author>Evelas</author>
	<datestamp>1268337000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are stories about botnets all the time, but I usually don't see anything about how to remove them. I'm pretty confident in my browsing habits, but the same can't be said for my relatives. What's the easiest way to check a machine for infestation? Do standard virus scanners handle it, or programs like Malewarebytes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are stories about botnets all the time , but I usually do n't see anything about how to remove them .
I 'm pretty confident in my browsing habits , but the same ca n't be said for my relatives .
What 's the easiest way to check a machine for infestation ?
Do standard virus scanners handle it , or programs like Malewarebytes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are stories about botnets all the time, but I usually don't see anything about how to remove them.
I'm pretty confident in my browsing habits, but the same can't be said for my relatives.
What's the easiest way to check a machine for infestation?
Do standard virus scanners handle it, or programs like Malewarebytes?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448866</id>
	<title>Tom and Jerry</title>
	<author>Chewy71</author>
	<datestamp>1268332500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This cat and mouse game that they are playing here reminds me of another cat and mouse......</htmltext>
<tokenext>This cat and mouse game that they are playing here reminds me of another cat and mouse..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This cat and mouse game that they are playing here reminds me of another cat and mouse......</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449090</id>
	<title>"Ya" right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268424000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448838</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449582</id>
	<title>We are learning valuable things</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1268388900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When SkyNet comes, we will know how to fight it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When SkyNet comes , we will know how to fight it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When SkyNet comes, we will know how to fight it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448822</id>
	<title>Good!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268331960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Vi4gr4 supply is getting low.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Vi4gr4 supply is getting low .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Vi4gr4 supply is getting low.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449034</id>
	<title>This is so cool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just like a real war..</p><p>"We got Charlie boxed in"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like a real war.. " We got Charlie boxed in "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like a real war.."We got Charlie boxed in"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449150</id>
	<title>Re:Botnets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268424780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing special to it. It's just like a standard virus infection. Take the Blaster worm, for example. You can normally just look at router lights and see if someone's infected (well, unless there's a person constantly streaming music.) The point is that these zombies are up all day getting and receiving data, like a webhost. The data is either addresses to be newly infected, or new command data containing the payloads with the actual spam to be sent out.</p><p>If you turn off all the P2P apps, let the PC boot up to a desktop and the network light for that PC immediately goes non-stop for more than 15 minutes, you're infected. No buts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing special to it .
It 's just like a standard virus infection .
Take the Blaster worm , for example .
You can normally just look at router lights and see if someone 's infected ( well , unless there 's a person constantly streaming music .
) The point is that these zombies are up all day getting and receiving data , like a webhost .
The data is either addresses to be newly infected , or new command data containing the payloads with the actual spam to be sent out.If you turn off all the P2P apps , let the PC boot up to a desktop and the network light for that PC immediately goes non-stop for more than 15 minutes , you 're infected .
No buts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing special to it.
It's just like a standard virus infection.
Take the Blaster worm, for example.
You can normally just look at router lights and see if someone's infected (well, unless there's a person constantly streaming music.
) The point is that these zombies are up all day getting and receiving data, like a webhost.
The data is either addresses to be newly infected, or new command data containing the payloads with the actual spam to be sent out.If you turn off all the P2P apps, let the PC boot up to a desktop and the network light for that PC immediately goes non-stop for more than 15 minutes, you're infected.
No buts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448838</id>
	<title>Car Analogy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the Zeus is like a Toyota. You get a fix for it but it turns out they'll just keep going anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the Zeus is like a Toyota .
You get a fix for it but it turns out they 'll just keep going anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the Zeus is like a Toyota.
You get a fix for it but it turns out they'll just keep going anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449042</id>
	<title>Big Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hurricane Electric.. there's the problem.  Blocked all email from their scummy network years ago and never looked back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hurricane Electric.. there 's the problem .
Blocked all email from their scummy network years ago and never looked back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hurricane Electric.. there's the problem.
Blocked all email from their scummy network years ago and never looked back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448840</id>
	<title>Well I'm sold.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much are they charging per month for use of a command-and-control server? Can I host my e-commerce site on Zeus?
<br> <br>
Do you have to share the command and control server with other users? Or do they have a "private command server" option?
<br> <br>
(On a side note- will twittering help my business?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much are they charging per month for use of a command-and-control server ?
Can I host my e-commerce site on Zeus ?
Do you have to share the command and control server with other users ?
Or do they have a " private command server " option ?
( On a side note- will twittering help my business ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much are they charging per month for use of a command-and-control server?
Can I host my e-commerce site on Zeus?
Do you have to share the command and control server with other users?
Or do they have a "private command server" option?
(On a side note- will twittering help my business?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448908</id>
	<title>Dang.  I wish my webhost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>were that reliable...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>were that reliable.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>were that reliable...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448820</id>
	<title>Sometimes headshots aren't enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268331960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>n/t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>n/t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>n/t</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448980</id>
	<title>Gotta kill the very last one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummmm... Isn't it true that if even one C&amp;C is alive you really haven't killed the botnet? The more you kill the more you slow it down but it's still there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummmm... Is n't it true that if even one C&amp;C is alive you really have n't killed the botnet ?
The more you kill the more you slow it down but it 's still there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummmm... Isn't it true that if even one C&amp;C is alive you really haven't killed the botnet?
The more you kill the more you slow it down but it's still there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31452710</id>
	<title>Rule #1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268414580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cardio</p><p><div class="quote"><p> 'We have taken some of their territory, they are trying to out flank us,' the researcher said</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cardio 'We have taken some of their territory , they are trying to out flank us, ' the researcher said</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cardio 'We have taken some of their territory, they are trying to out flank us,' the researcher said
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448938</id>
	<title>Re:Car Analogy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268334180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So....</p><p>In Imperial Japan, car stops you.... permanently!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So....In Imperial Japan , car stops you.... permanently !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So....In Imperial Japan, car stops you.... permanently!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448838</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449416</id>
	<title>yGoU FAIL it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268386320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>later s3en in</htmltext>
<tokenext>later s3en in</tokentext>
<sentencetext>later s3en in</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448922</id>
	<title>Re:Well I'm sold.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can I host my e-commerce site on Zeus?</p> </div><p>I'm not sure if this is funny or dreadfully insightful... Most data centers can't keep it up for a single year but then you have schmucks who keep these bot-nets up seemingly forever.</p><p>Are we looking at the future of serious web-hosting?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I host my e-commerce site on Zeus ?
I 'm not sure if this is funny or dreadfully insightful... Most data centers ca n't keep it up for a single year but then you have schmucks who keep these bot-nets up seemingly forever.Are we looking at the future of serious web-hosting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I host my e-commerce site on Zeus?
I'm not sure if this is funny or dreadfully insightful... Most data centers can't keep it up for a single year but then you have schmucks who keep these bot-nets up seemingly forever.Are we looking at the future of serious web-hosting?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448840</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449156</id>
	<title>Re:Well I'm sold.</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1268424900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called "bulletproof hosting".  You pay in E-gold.  Preferably from an account with a fake name.
</p><p>But yes, they can keep your site up even against determined government-based opposition.  They have private command server and random host virtual desktops.  You can buy botnets by the host or rent them by the hosthour.  DOS hosts are ready for your competitor throttling needs, and bulk discounts scale appropriately.  Please be advised that certain challenging chores like DDoS of national infrastructure servers require open finance accounts and sufficient credit must be made available before the attack starts.
</p><p>Almost without exception, the hosts themselves run Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called " bulletproof hosting " .
You pay in E-gold .
Preferably from an account with a fake name .
But yes , they can keep your site up even against determined government-based opposition .
They have private command server and random host virtual desktops .
You can buy botnets by the host or rent them by the hosthour .
DOS hosts are ready for your competitor throttling needs , and bulk discounts scale appropriately .
Please be advised that certain challenging chores like DDoS of national infrastructure servers require open finance accounts and sufficient credit must be made available before the attack starts .
Almost without exception , the hosts themselves run Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called "bulletproof hosting".
You pay in E-gold.
Preferably from an account with a fake name.
But yes, they can keep your site up even against determined government-based opposition.
They have private command server and random host virtual desktops.
You can buy botnets by the host or rent them by the hosthour.
DOS hosts are ready for your competitor throttling needs, and bulk discounts scale appropriately.
Please be advised that certain challenging chores like DDoS of national infrastructure servers require open finance accounts and sufficient credit must be made available before the attack starts.
Almost without exception, the hosts themselves run Windows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448840</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448944</id>
	<title>Here's how to defeat Zeus...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268334360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zeus is the Greek god of the Sky right...and he throws lightning bolts.   What can we do about that?   Well, we can encase ourselves in rubber. Then his lightning bolts won't be able to hurt us.</p><p>Accordingly, I'm now offering you a special on Rubber Suits.  Protect yourself from Zeus!</p><p>And coming soon, protect your computer from Zeus by encasing it in rubber too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zeus is the Greek god of the Sky right...and he throws lightning bolts .
What can we do about that ?
Well , we can encase ourselves in rubber .
Then his lightning bolts wo n't be able to hurt us.Accordingly , I 'm now offering you a special on Rubber Suits .
Protect yourself from Zeus ! And coming soon , protect your computer from Zeus by encasing it in rubber too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zeus is the Greek god of the Sky right...and he throws lightning bolts.
What can we do about that?
Well, we can encase ourselves in rubber.
Then his lightning bolts won't be able to hurt us.Accordingly, I'm now offering you a special on Rubber Suits.
Protect yourself from Zeus!And coming soon, protect your computer from Zeus by encasing it in rubber too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449100</id>
	<title>Re:Redundancy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268424120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is actually informative.  Botnets are the very model of enterprise redundant high-availability.  The technology is remarkable in its resilience.  You could wipe out Europe and Asia with dual asteroids, and the thing would keep going.
</p><p>If you want to keep your enterprise up no matter what happens then you need to be prepared for a headshot.  They are, and it's not enough to bring them down.  How prepared are you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually informative .
Botnets are the very model of enterprise redundant high-availability .
The technology is remarkable in its resilience .
You could wipe out Europe and Asia with dual asteroids , and the thing would keep going .
If you want to keep your enterprise up no matter what happens then you need to be prepared for a headshot .
They are , and it 's not enough to bring them down .
How prepared are you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually informative.
Botnets are the very model of enterprise redundant high-availability.
The technology is remarkable in its resilience.
You could wipe out Europe and Asia with dual asteroids, and the thing would keep going.
If you want to keep your enterprise up no matter what happens then you need to be prepared for a headshot.
They are, and it's not enough to bring them down.
How prepared are you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31452434</id>
	<title>Re:Redundancy</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1268413260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well if I could steal my service from a few million locations I'd probably have pretty good uptime too.  Oh and if the only service I needed to deliver was 1kb/s ascii text control channel, yeah, I think I'd do ok.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if I could steal my service from a few million locations I 'd probably have pretty good uptime too .
Oh and if the only service I needed to deliver was 1kb/s ascii text control channel , yeah , I think I 'd do ok .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if I could steal my service from a few million locations I'd probably have pretty good uptime too.
Oh and if the only service I needed to deliver was 1kb/s ascii text control channel, yeah, I think I'd do ok.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449100</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448832</id>
	<title>This botnet has but one goal.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>KILL. ALL. HUMANS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>KILL .
ALL. HUMANS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KILL.
ALL. HUMANS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449408</id>
	<title>Maybe now is good time to start building wall</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268386260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We probably need to bild new great firewall around countries and ISPs hosting C&amp;C nodes. Those are the same countries every time where to the botnet owners move their activity ( names are in articel )</htmltext>
<tokenext>We probably need to bild new great firewall around countries and ISPs hosting C&amp;C nodes .
Those are the same countries every time where to the botnet owners move their activity ( names are in articel )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We probably need to bild new great firewall around countries and ISPs hosting C&amp;C nodes.
Those are the same countries every time where to the botnet owners move their activity ( names are in articel )</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31463186</id>
	<title>A Modest Proposal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268486280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I posted a remark in the topic about New Zealand ISPs agreeing to filter.  I think it fits better here.</p><p>A well-distributed botnet, with fast flux DNS switching, could be turned into a pretty good replacement for freenet, and an efficient way past these clumsy government-inspired filters. Somebody with a botnet could sell such a service.</p><p>There are several problems with trust. One is how to trust the owner with your credit card details. CCBill maybe?</p><p>Powerful malware on the zombie exit points ought to offer better assurance of anonymity than is available on the volunteer nodes of freenet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I posted a remark in the topic about New Zealand ISPs agreeing to filter .
I think it fits better here.A well-distributed botnet , with fast flux DNS switching , could be turned into a pretty good replacement for freenet , and an efficient way past these clumsy government-inspired filters .
Somebody with a botnet could sell such a service.There are several problems with trust .
One is how to trust the owner with your credit card details .
CCBill maybe ? Powerful malware on the zombie exit points ought to offer better assurance of anonymity than is available on the volunteer nodes of freenet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I posted a remark in the topic about New Zealand ISPs agreeing to filter.
I think it fits better here.A well-distributed botnet, with fast flux DNS switching, could be turned into a pretty good replacement for freenet, and an efficient way past these clumsy government-inspired filters.
Somebody with a botnet could sell such a service.There are several problems with trust.
One is how to trust the owner with your credit card details.
CCBill maybe?Powerful malware on the zombie exit points ought to offer better assurance of anonymity than is available on the volunteer nodes of freenet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449178</id>
	<title>Hurricane Electric wtf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268425320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>okay so HE hosts McColo and is the upstream for this shit  and my company gets shit canned from them for what a spamcop complaint? Was it a legit complaint? Yes and I shit canned the customer, but this really pisses me off. They let really bad people run on their network and they shoot the little guy getting abused. I guess if you have enough money it doesn't matter what you do on their network till the feds get involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>okay so HE hosts McColo and is the upstream for this shit and my company gets shit canned from them for what a spamcop complaint ?
Was it a legit complaint ?
Yes and I shit canned the customer , but this really pisses me off .
They let really bad people run on their network and they shoot the little guy getting abused .
I guess if you have enough money it does n't matter what you do on their network till the feds get involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>okay so HE hosts McColo and is the upstream for this shit  and my company gets shit canned from them for what a spamcop complaint?
Was it a legit complaint?
Yes and I shit canned the customer, but this really pisses me off.
They let really bad people run on their network and they shoot the little guy getting abused.
I guess if you have enough money it doesn't matter what you do on their network till the feds get involved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449678</id>
	<title>Re:Redundancy</title>
	<author>Scrab</author>
	<datestamp>1268390580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do I have the Major General's song in my head now?<br>
<br>
"I am the very model of good "high availability.<br>
My peers and I retain a certain level of redundancy."<br>
<br>
Damnit, I'm meant to be at work, not filking...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do I have the Major General 's song in my head now ?
" I am the very model of good " high availability .
My peers and I retain a certain level of redundancy .
" Damnit , I 'm meant to be at work , not filking.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do I have the Major General's song in my head now?
"I am the very model of good "high availability.
My peers and I retain a certain level of redundancy.
"

Damnit, I'm meant to be at work, not filking...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31450830</id>
	<title>Really need to stop....</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1268404680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some people really need to stop posting what they are doing or about to do....gives a heads up to the trojan writers what<br>to think of next to counter the attacks. I think it is a great feat none the less, but could we have really kept them down longer had we not<br>had a play by play....also like the Borg, now they know the type of attack vectors that are being used against them, so they will adapt, and figure a new way to connect to control and command centers, I know I would had i just finished spending all my time on my botnet, and someone figured out how to munch my communication to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people really need to stop posting what they are doing or about to do....gives a heads up to the trojan writers whatto think of next to counter the attacks .
I think it is a great feat none the less , but could we have really kept them down longer had we nothad a play by play....also like the Borg , now they know the type of attack vectors that are being used against them , so they will adapt , and figure a new way to connect to control and command centers , I know I would had i just finished spending all my time on my botnet , and someone figured out how to munch my communication to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people really need to stop posting what they are doing or about to do....gives a heads up to the trojan writers whatto think of next to counter the attacks.
I think it is a great feat none the less, but could we have really kept them down longer had we nothad a play by play....also like the Borg, now they know the type of attack vectors that are being used against them, so they will adapt, and figure a new way to connect to control and command centers, I know I would had i just finished spending all my time on my botnet, and someone figured out how to munch my communication to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31448824</id>
	<title>FIRST</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FIRST POST YAY</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FIRST POST YAY</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FIRST POST YAY</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31449372</id>
	<title>Pay your bills criminals!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268385540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To tell the truth, the only thing i got was that</p><p> these losers did not pay their Internet bills to take over the world like Stewie!</p><p>Stewie had the world and let it go!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To tell the truth , the only thing i got was that these losers did not pay their Internet bills to take over the world like Stewie ! Stewie had the world and let it go !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To tell the truth, the only thing i got was that these losers did not pay their Internet bills to take over the world like Stewie!Stewie had the world and let it go!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_0210248.31450398</id>
	<title>Re:Botnets</title>
	<author>Fnord666</author>
	<datestamp>1268401560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What's the easiest way to check a machine for infestation?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Reboot the machine.  If the startup screen says Windows, just go ahead and assume it's infested.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the easiest way to check a machine for infestation ?
Reboot the machine .
If the startup screen says Windows , just go ahead and assume it 's infested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the easiest way to check a machine for infestation?
Reboot the machine.
If the startup screen says Windows, just go ahead and assume it's infested.
	</sentencetext>
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