<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_12_000226</id>
	<title>MetaLab Accuses Mozilla of Ripping Off UI Elements In Mockups</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268402880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>CWmike writes <i>"Canadian interface design firm <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9169478/Design\_firm\_accuses\_Mozilla\_of\_UI\_plagiarism">MetaLab has accused Mozilla of stealing user interface elements for a development tool</a> in the browser maker's Jetpack project, which aims to simplify add-on making. MetaLab leveled the charges on Tuesday when the 11-person firm's founder, Andrew Wilkinson, <a href="http://blog.metalabdesign.com/post/437932602/metalab-goes-open-source">blogged about the similarities</a> between his company's designs and those posted by Mozilla for FlightDeck, a Jetpack editor. 'What they did was pretty ridiculous,' Wilkinson said on Thursday. 'There's a difference between inspiration versus ripping something off,' he said. 'The measurements of the graphic elements [Mozilla took from us] were the exact same, the very same pixels. When someone takes your images from the server hosting them, that's crossing the line.' Mozilla <a href="http://mozillalabs.com/jetpack/2010/03/10/jetpack-mockup-clarification-apology-to-metalab/">apologized to MetaLab on Wednesday</a>, saying in a blog post, 'While the design direction being implemented does not utilize these design elements, we inadvertently included the early mockups in our blog post and video announcing the next phase of development for the Jetpack SDK ... We sincerely apologize to MetaLab for incorporating design elements from their web site in our early mockups and for posting them publicly without proper attribution.'"</i> Alexander Limi of the Firefox User Experience Team points out that MetaLab has accepted the apology, too &mdash; worth bearing in mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>CWmike writes " Canadian interface design firm MetaLab has accused Mozilla of stealing user interface elements for a development tool in the browser maker 's Jetpack project , which aims to simplify add-on making .
MetaLab leveled the charges on Tuesday when the 11-person firm 's founder , Andrew Wilkinson , blogged about the similarities between his company 's designs and those posted by Mozilla for FlightDeck , a Jetpack editor .
'What they did was pretty ridiculous, ' Wilkinson said on Thursday .
'There 's a difference between inspiration versus ripping something off, ' he said .
'The measurements of the graphic elements [ Mozilla took from us ] were the exact same , the very same pixels .
When someone takes your images from the server hosting them , that 's crossing the line .
' Mozilla apologized to MetaLab on Wednesday , saying in a blog post , 'While the design direction being implemented does not utilize these design elements , we inadvertently included the early mockups in our blog post and video announcing the next phase of development for the Jetpack SDK ... We sincerely apologize to MetaLab for incorporating design elements from their web site in our early mockups and for posting them publicly without proper attribution .
' " Alexander Limi of the Firefox User Experience Team points out that MetaLab has accepted the apology , too    worth bearing in mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CWmike writes "Canadian interface design firm MetaLab has accused Mozilla of stealing user interface elements for a development tool in the browser maker's Jetpack project, which aims to simplify add-on making.
MetaLab leveled the charges on Tuesday when the 11-person firm's founder, Andrew Wilkinson, blogged about the similarities between his company's designs and those posted by Mozilla for FlightDeck, a Jetpack editor.
'What they did was pretty ridiculous,' Wilkinson said on Thursday.
'There's a difference between inspiration versus ripping something off,' he said.
'The measurements of the graphic elements [Mozilla took from us] were the exact same, the very same pixels.
When someone takes your images from the server hosting them, that's crossing the line.
' Mozilla apologized to MetaLab on Wednesday, saying in a blog post, 'While the design direction being implemented does not utilize these design elements, we inadvertently included the early mockups in our blog post and video announcing the next phase of development for the Jetpack SDK ... We sincerely apologize to MetaLab for incorporating design elements from their web site in our early mockups and for posting them publicly without proper attribution.
'" Alexander Limi of the Firefox User Experience Team points out that MetaLab has accepted the apology, too — worth bearing in mind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31450012</id>
	<title>WRONG!.. people are small perl scripts.</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1268397360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people don't understand how stuff work.  Just learn where is a icon, and learn to press it, and press again on other icon with other name...  don't learn to use stuff, learn to run these "small scripts".  If you moves that icon, you break his "script",  if you changes the icon too much, or removes it, the user become lost.<br>So to have user work with your stuff ( a Office tools program, or a Desktop )  you have to completelly copy what the users have learn. This is some menus and icons in a Office program, and the taskbar and desktop icons and rightclick options in a Desktop.</p><p>Is not that opensource is cloning closed source, is that for opensource to success with the current crop of users, have to emulate how some closed source apps work.  For linux to become succesfull has to clone how a UNIX work. For Gnome to work succesfull has to clone how Windows 95 taskbar work.<br>Thats now how devs want to build his stuff, but is the only succesfull and popular way. There are less succesfull and unpopular ways, like for a desktop work in "weird" ways, like Windowmaker...</p><p>FOSS can be original, but is a bad trait that affect negativelly the popularity of the products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people do n't understand how stuff work .
Just learn where is a icon , and learn to press it , and press again on other icon with other name... do n't learn to use stuff , learn to run these " small scripts " .
If you moves that icon , you break his " script " , if you changes the icon too much , or removes it , the user become lost.So to have user work with your stuff ( a Office tools program , or a Desktop ) you have to completelly copy what the users have learn .
This is some menus and icons in a Office program , and the taskbar and desktop icons and rightclick options in a Desktop.Is not that opensource is cloning closed source , is that for opensource to success with the current crop of users , have to emulate how some closed source apps work .
For linux to become succesfull has to clone how a UNIX work .
For Gnome to work succesfull has to clone how Windows 95 taskbar work.Thats now how devs want to build his stuff , but is the only succesfull and popular way .
There are less succesfull and unpopular ways , like for a desktop work in " weird " ways , like Windowmaker...FOSS can be original , but is a bad trait that affect negativelly the popularity of the products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people don't understand how stuff work.
Just learn where is a icon, and learn to press it, and press again on other icon with other name...  don't learn to use stuff, learn to run these "small scripts".
If you moves that icon, you break his "script",  if you changes the icon too much, or removes it, the user become lost.So to have user work with your stuff ( a Office tools program, or a Desktop )  you have to completelly copy what the users have learn.
This is some menus and icons in a Office program, and the taskbar and desktop icons and rightclick options in a Desktop.Is not that opensource is cloning closed source, is that for opensource to success with the current crop of users, have to emulate how some closed source apps work.
For linux to become succesfull has to clone how a UNIX work.
For Gnome to work succesfull has to clone how Windows 95 taskbar work.Thats now how devs want to build his stuff, but is the only succesfull and popular way.
There are less succesfull and unpopular ways, like for a desktop work in "weird" ways, like Windowmaker...FOSS can be original, but is a bad trait that affect negativelly the popularity of the products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31450718</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268403960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without the Remington Typewriter, we wouldn't have the IBM Selectric typewriter, Word Star, Word Perfect, Microsoft Word...</p><p>Or if you're a numbers kinda person, without the Abacus we wouldn't have Visicalc, Lotus 1-2-3 or Microsoft Excel.</p><p>I'd also challenge that Open Office is a feature-for-feature rip-off of Microsoft Office.  By far, Microsoft Office leads in features that 99\% of the people do not use!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without the Remington Typewriter , we would n't have the IBM Selectric typewriter , Word Star , Word Perfect , Microsoft Word...Or if you 're a numbers kinda person , without the Abacus we would n't have Visicalc , Lotus 1-2-3 or Microsoft Excel.I 'd also challenge that Open Office is a feature-for-feature rip-off of Microsoft Office .
By far , Microsoft Office leads in features that 99 \ % of the people do not use !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without the Remington Typewriter, we wouldn't have the IBM Selectric typewriter, Word Star, Word Perfect, Microsoft Word...Or if you're a numbers kinda person, without the Abacus we wouldn't have Visicalc, Lotus 1-2-3 or Microsoft Excel.I'd also challenge that Open Office is a feature-for-feature rip-off of Microsoft Office.
By far, Microsoft Office leads in features that 99\% of the people do not use!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447932</id>
	<title>As the title says, it was only a mockup</title>
	<author>R.Mo\_Robert</author>
	<datestamp>1268320740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary alludes to this, but just in case (since 90\% of people who comment probably won't read past the headline):</p><blockquote><div><p>Update: I just got off the phone with the team at Mozilla, who apologized and clarified a few things. The design which used our site&rsquo;s design elements was a development build and according to them the design has been changed in newer builds. That said, it was used in their launch video as well as their blog post announcing the product. They told me that that the team who put together the blog post and video was unaware of the similarities at the time of inclusion. We&rsquo;ve asked for a public apology, and I&rsquo;ll be doing a follow-up post tomorrow [and they did].</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary alludes to this , but just in case ( since 90 \ % of people who comment probably wo n't read past the headline ) : Update : I just got off the phone with the team at Mozilla , who apologized and clarified a few things .
The design which used our site    s design elements was a development build and according to them the design has been changed in newer builds .
That said , it was used in their launch video as well as their blog post announcing the product .
They told me that that the team who put together the blog post and video was unaware of the similarities at the time of inclusion .
We    ve asked for a public apology , and I    ll be doing a follow-up post tomorrow [ and they did ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary alludes to this, but just in case (since 90\% of people who comment probably won't read past the headline):Update: I just got off the phone with the team at Mozilla, who apologized and clarified a few things.
The design which used our site’s design elements was a development build and according to them the design has been changed in newer builds.
That said, it was used in their launch video as well as their blog post announcing the product.
They told me that that the team who put together the blog post and video was unaware of the similarities at the time of inclusion.
We’ve asked for a public apology, and I’ll be doing a follow-up post tomorrow [and they did].
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31451828</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268410320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it'<br>s not about stealing anything - it's about illegally copying about it and lying about it.  Play the semantic game, expect to get burned by the 1-up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's not about stealing anything - it 's about illegally copying about it and lying about it .
Play the semantic game , expect to get burned by the 1-up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's not about stealing anything - it's about illegally copying about it and lying about it.
Play the semantic game, expect to get burned by the 1-up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448706</id>
	<title>Re:Changed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What theme are you using? I really like it. I've found a bunch of similar ones, but none of them put the glass effect on the bookmarks toolbar and the tab strip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What theme are you using ?
I really like it .
I 've found a bunch of similar ones , but none of them put the glass effect on the bookmarks toolbar and the tab strip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What theme are you using?
I really like it.
I've found a bunch of similar ones, but none of them put the glass effect on the bookmarks toolbar and the tab strip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447972</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1268320980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Without stealing of ideas, we wouldn't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has.  Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X.  How could open source survive without it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Microsoft Word is the standard in word processing, it was reasonable to get a half functional free equivalent for users who couldn't run MSWord, but mozilla is huge and quite capabable of creating their own designs, while the firm they stole from is much smaller and not a standard in any way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing of ideas , we would n't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has .
Without stealing , we would n't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X. How could open source survive without it ?
: ) Microsoft Word is the standard in word processing , it was reasonable to get a half functional free equivalent for users who could n't run MSWord , but mozilla is huge and quite capabable of creating their own designs , while the firm they stole from is much smaller and not a standard in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing of ideas, we wouldn't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has.
Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X.  How could open source survive without it?
:)Microsoft Word is the standard in word processing, it was reasonable to get a half functional free equivalent for users who couldn't run MSWord, but mozilla is huge and quite capabable of creating their own designs, while the firm they stole from is much smaller and not a standard in any way.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448062</id>
	<title>Maple Leaf Icon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268321640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The story shows up with the maple leaf icon.  It's like just another whining of those guys up north playing make-belief country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The story shows up with the maple leaf icon .
It 's like just another whining of those guys up north playing make-belief country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story shows up with the maple leaf icon.
It's like just another whining of those guys up north playing make-belief country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448172</id>
	<title>Re:This was a mockup people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268322780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, Mozilla reject their bid proposal, where Metalabs could've earned $XXX for their labor, but went ahead and used their design for their own purposes, regardless if it's just a mockup. It's like if you told potential investors or your great new gadget, and in good faith did not make them sign a NDA (those are so pretentious unless you're *both* very big companies), rejected your idea, but went ahead and placed an RFP, or beta test, or whatever using your idea as a skeleton.</p><p>Even something small as a bid proposal takes time and money to put together: from programmers, to art &amp; design guys, to marketing, and sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , Mozilla reject their bid proposal , where Metalabs could 've earned $ XXX for their labor , but went ahead and used their design for their own purposes , regardless if it 's just a mockup .
It 's like if you told potential investors or your great new gadget , and in good faith did not make them sign a NDA ( those are so pretentious unless you 're * both * very big companies ) , rejected your idea , but went ahead and placed an RFP , or beta test , or whatever using your idea as a skeleton.Even something small as a bid proposal takes time and money to put together : from programmers , to art &amp; design guys , to marketing , and sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, Mozilla reject their bid proposal, where Metalabs could've earned $XXX for their labor, but went ahead and used their design for their own purposes, regardless if it's just a mockup.
It's like if you told potential investors or your great new gadget, and in good faith did not make them sign a NDA (those are so pretentious unless you're *both* very big companies), rejected your idea, but went ahead and placed an RFP, or beta test, or whatever using your idea as a skeleton.Even something small as a bid proposal takes time and money to put together: from programmers, to art &amp; design guys, to marketing, and sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448704</id>
	<title>Fuck Canada.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck Canada.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck Canada.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448952</id>
	<title>fox news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268334600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.</p></div><p>I'm pretty sure Slashdot makes no claim toward being a fair and balanced news source with regard to these issues...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>yes thats right , slashdot is as bad as fox news.I 'm pretty sure Slashdot makes no claim toward being a fair and balanced news source with regard to these issues.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.I'm pretty sure Slashdot makes no claim toward being a fair and balanced news source with regard to these issues...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448038</id>
	<title>Under 30, are you?</title>
	<author>xzvf</author>
	<datestamp>1268321340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lotus 123, Visicalc, WordPerfect,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I guess you can give MS PowerPoint.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lotus 123 , Visicalc , WordPerfect , ... I guess you can give MS PowerPoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lotus 123, Visicalc, WordPerfect, ... I guess you can give MS PowerPoint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448956</id>
	<title>Re:reverse the situation</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1268334660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed.</p><p>
yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.</p></div><p>More like people are just people.  Our experiences give us bias, and there is nobody who can achieve perfect objectivity in every situation.  People here have a propensity to cheer for open source software.  Through their own experiences, Fox viewers have a different perspective.  It's not bad, it's just life.  The alternative would be to throw out all emotion and become as the Vulcans.  Yes, we're all biased.  Yes, we're all emotional.  Yes, we're all hypocrites--especially those of us who pretend to have no bias.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed .
yes thats right , slashdot is as bad as fox news.More like people are just people .
Our experiences give us bias , and there is nobody who can achieve perfect objectivity in every situation .
People here have a propensity to cheer for open source software .
Through their own experiences , Fox viewers have a different perspective .
It 's not bad , it 's just life .
The alternative would be to throw out all emotion and become as the Vulcans .
Yes , we 're all biased .
Yes , we 're all emotional .
Yes , we 're all hypocrites--especially those of us who pretend to have no bias .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed.
yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.More like people are just people.
Our experiences give us bias, and there is nobody who can achieve perfect objectivity in every situation.
People here have a propensity to cheer for open source software.
Through their own experiences, Fox viewers have a different perspective.
It's not bad, it's just life.
The alternative would be to throw out all emotion and become as the Vulcans.
Yes, we're all biased.
Yes, we're all emotional.
Yes, we're all hypocrites--especially those of us who pretend to have no bias.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448074</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268321880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 development started in 2006.  So according to you they went forward in time to steal things from KDE 4 before KDE 4 was even released in it's first alpha?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 development started in 2006 .
So according to you they went forward in time to steal things from KDE 4 before KDE 4 was even released in it 's first alpha ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 development started in 2006.
So according to you they went forward in time to steal things from KDE 4 before KDE 4 was even released in it's first alpha?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447926</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268320680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without stealing, we wouldn't have many works of Shakespeare or Bach, both of whom copied liberally from their Italian counterparts.  (Of course that was before copyright existed, hence plagiarism of ideas was not only legal, but accepted.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing , we would n't have many works of Shakespeare or Bach , both of whom copied liberally from their Italian counterparts .
( Of course that was before copyright existed , hence plagiarism of ideas was not only legal , but accepted .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing, we wouldn't have many works of Shakespeare or Bach, both of whom copied liberally from their Italian counterparts.
(Of course that was before copyright existed, hence plagiarism of ideas was not only legal, but accepted.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449122</id>
	<title>Slashvertisement much?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1268424360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hadn't heard of MetaLab before.  Now, I have.</p><p>Mission accomplished.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had n't heard of MetaLab before .
Now , I have.Mission accomplished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hadn't heard of MetaLab before.
Now, I have.Mission accomplished.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448112</id>
	<title>Re:This was a mockup people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268322180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, a company decided to take shortcuts in creating a mockup</p></div><p>No, they showed it to the public. Public demo trumps mockup, and they deserve a bit of flak for this one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , a company decided to take shortcuts in creating a mockupNo , they showed it to the public .
Public demo trumps mockup , and they deserve a bit of flak for this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, a company decided to take shortcuts in creating a mockupNo, they showed it to the public.
Public demo trumps mockup, and they deserve a bit of flak for this one.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31450514</id>
	<title>!Stealing</title>
	<author>Digital Vomit</author>
	<datestamp>1268402400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am dumbfounded at how many times the word "steal" is used in these replies.  Truly the culture thieves (Disney, RIAA, MPAA, etc.) have already won.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am dumbfounded at how many times the word " steal " is used in these replies .
Truly the culture thieves ( Disney , RIAA , MPAA , etc .
) have already won .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am dumbfounded at how many times the word "steal" is used in these replies.
Truly the culture thieves (Disney, RIAA, MPAA, etc.
) have already won.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449136</id>
	<title>fuck3Br</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268424600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">OpenBSD wanker Theo achievements that fucking surprise, Own agenda - give AAl serversM. Coming prima donnas to</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenBSD wanker Theo achievements that fucking surprise , Own agenda - give AAl serversM .
Coming prima donnas to [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenBSD wanker Theo achievements that fucking surprise, Own agenda - give AAl serversM.
Coming prima donnas to [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448224</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>gzipped\_tar</author>
	<datestamp>1268323260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>They've been keeping it in an amusement part since the UN's victory over the Nazis led by Charlie Chaplin. BTW, Godwined.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've been keeping it in an amusement part since the UN 's victory over the Nazis led by Charlie Chaplin .
BTW , Godwined .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've been keeping it in an amusement part since the UN's victory over the Nazis led by Charlie Chaplin.
BTW, Godwined.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448102</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Jazzbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1268322120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And where did they get their time machine from? Plot thickens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And where did they get their time machine from ?
Plot thickens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And where did they get their time machine from?
Plot thickens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448524</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1268327460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Without stealing, we wouldn't have many works of Shakespeare or Bach, both of whom copied liberally from their Italian counterparts. </i> <br> <br>
Name one instance where Bach plagiarised. He did use some Italian forms in his music, but that is not plagiarism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing , we would n't have many works of Shakespeare or Bach , both of whom copied liberally from their Italian counterparts .
Name one instance where Bach plagiarised .
He did use some Italian forms in his music , but that is not plagiarism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing, we wouldn't have many works of Shakespeare or Bach, both of whom copied liberally from their Italian counterparts.
Name one instance where Bach plagiarised.
He did use some Italian forms in his music, but that is not plagiarism.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448400</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1268325600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same old tired excuse -- did you even look at the article and linked blog entry? This isn't about stealing of ideas, this is stealing work pixel-for-pixel. That's never OK, and has nothing to do with open source or "artistic inspiration".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same old tired excuse -- did you even look at the article and linked blog entry ?
This is n't about stealing of ideas , this is stealing work pixel-for-pixel .
That 's never OK , and has nothing to do with open source or " artistic inspiration " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same old tired excuse -- did you even look at the article and linked blog entry?
This isn't about stealing of ideas, this is stealing work pixel-for-pixel.
That's never OK, and has nothing to do with open source or "artistic inspiration".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448774</id>
	<title>Re:UIs need to be borrowed from</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Imagine if every single program had a radically different UI.</i> </p><p>Imagine if Ford patented the H-gate pattern for 3-speed transmissions. Then GM patented the W-gate. And Dodge patented the O-gate. And Mercedes patented the ess-tsett gate. And Renault patented the cedilla-gate.</p><p>Shit, no one would ever get out of their driveway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine if every single program had a radically different UI .
Imagine if Ford patented the H-gate pattern for 3-speed transmissions .
Then GM patented the W-gate .
And Dodge patented the O-gate .
And Mercedes patented the ess-tsett gate .
And Renault patented the cedilla-gate.Shit , no one would ever get out of their driveway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine if every single program had a radically different UI.
Imagine if Ford patented the H-gate pattern for 3-speed transmissions.
Then GM patented the W-gate.
And Dodge patented the O-gate.
And Mercedes patented the ess-tsett gate.
And Renault patented the cedilla-gate.Shit, no one would ever get out of their driveway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448214</id>
	<title>Hm.. its a mockup</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
MetaLab didn't need to make a big deal about this.
they could of reported it to Mozilla if it were concerned. It's obvious MetaLab posted the blog entry to get attention.
Basically advertising: even negative attention is good for them.
I would wager hardly anyone on Slashdot even knew MetaLab's name prior to this article.
Now that this article has hit news, everyone who read it knows they could go to MetaLab to get a quote for UI design....
</p><p>
Obviously this whole incident will do a lot of good for MetaLab, in the way of free advertising, they will probably profit handsomely from this fiasco.
</p><p>
While Mozilla have used their imagery, and there is obvious similarity, they haven't included it in a user interface,  they have combined the work with work of their own to express some ideas about how their final interface could look like.
</p><p>
I would think it's unlikely that their final design would look at all like the mockup.
First mockup very rarely reflects what the final product will be.
</p><p>
Basically, while,  the imagery Mozilla posted that had some renditions including some MetaLab design elements, it was of zero commercial value, used in the creative process.
</p><p>
And although a derivative work, probably fair use,  providing they had only used it in the mockup.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MetaLab did n't need to make a big deal about this .
they could of reported it to Mozilla if it were concerned .
It 's obvious MetaLab posted the blog entry to get attention .
Basically advertising : even negative attention is good for them .
I would wager hardly anyone on Slashdot even knew MetaLab 's name prior to this article .
Now that this article has hit news , everyone who read it knows they could go to MetaLab to get a quote for UI design... . Obviously this whole incident will do a lot of good for MetaLab , in the way of free advertising , they will probably profit handsomely from this fiasco .
While Mozilla have used their imagery , and there is obvious similarity , they have n't included it in a user interface , they have combined the work with work of their own to express some ideas about how their final interface could look like .
I would think it 's unlikely that their final design would look at all like the mockup .
First mockup very rarely reflects what the final product will be .
Basically , while , the imagery Mozilla posted that had some renditions including some MetaLab design elements , it was of zero commercial value , used in the creative process .
And although a derivative work , probably fair use , providing they had only used it in the mockup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
MetaLab didn't need to make a big deal about this.
they could of reported it to Mozilla if it were concerned.
It's obvious MetaLab posted the blog entry to get attention.
Basically advertising: even negative attention is good for them.
I would wager hardly anyone on Slashdot even knew MetaLab's name prior to this article.
Now that this article has hit news, everyone who read it knows they could go to MetaLab to get a quote for UI design....

Obviously this whole incident will do a lot of good for MetaLab, in the way of free advertising, they will probably profit handsomely from this fiasco.
While Mozilla have used their imagery, and there is obvious similarity, they haven't included it in a user interface,  they have combined the work with work of their own to express some ideas about how their final interface could look like.
I would think it's unlikely that their final design would look at all like the mockup.
First mockup very rarely reflects what the final product will be.
Basically, while,  the imagery Mozilla posted that had some renditions including some MetaLab design elements, it was of zero commercial value, used in the creative process.
And although a derivative work, probably fair use,  providing they had only used it in the mockup.

	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448014</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Stephenmg</author>
	<datestamp>1268321220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your examples aren't the same as what happened here. It's not that MetaLab's product influenced the design elements in Mozzila's Jetpack, It's the fact that the gui elements are exactly the same. None of your examples are exactly the same and some of them have even gone back the other direction with open source software inspiring closed source software. Too be fair to Mozzila though, it was just a mock-up which is aimed at getting the point across.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your examples are n't the same as what happened here .
It 's not that MetaLab 's product influenced the design elements in Mozzila 's Jetpack , It 's the fact that the gui elements are exactly the same .
None of your examples are exactly the same and some of them have even gone back the other direction with open source software inspiring closed source software .
Too be fair to Mozzila though , it was just a mock-up which is aimed at getting the point across .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your examples aren't the same as what happened here.
It's not that MetaLab's product influenced the design elements in Mozzila's Jetpack, It's the fact that the gui elements are exactly the same.
None of your examples are exactly the same and some of them have even gone back the other direction with open source software inspiring closed source software.
Too be fair to Mozzila though, it was just a mock-up which is aimed at getting the point across.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448022</id>
	<title>Changed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268321220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here is what it looks like now: <a href="http://gallery.ymkatz.net/mozilla\%20jetpack.png" title="ymkatz.net" rel="nofollow">http://gallery.ymkatz.net/mozilla\%20jetpack.png</a> [ymkatz.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is what it looks like now : http : //gallery.ymkatz.net/mozilla \ % 20jetpack.png [ ymkatz.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is what it looks like now: http://gallery.ymkatz.net/mozilla\%20jetpack.png [ymkatz.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31471088</id>
	<title>Re:This was a mockup people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268565960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mozilla is an open-source company, they do most of their work in the open, unlike closed-source companies it is expected and normal for them to make mock-ups of future plans public.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mozilla is an open-source company , they do most of their work in the open , unlike closed-source companies it is expected and normal for them to make mock-ups of future plans public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mozilla is an open-source company, they do most of their work in the open, unlike closed-source companies it is expected and normal for them to make mock-ups of future plans public.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448408</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, It turns out that both dev teams went forwards in time and stole features from the other.</p><p>Now, what I'd like to know is why they can't get the patches while they're at it, so they have bug-free products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , It turns out that both dev teams went forwards in time and stole features from the other.Now , what I 'd like to know is why they ca n't get the patches while they 're at it , so they have bug-free products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, It turns out that both dev teams went forwards in time and stole features from the other.Now, what I'd like to know is why they can't get the patches while they're at it, so they have bug-free products.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448074</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448678</id>
	<title>Re:reverse the situation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Commenters on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. don't claim to be fair and balanced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Commenters on / .
do n't claim to be fair and balanced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Commenters on /.
don't claim to be fair and balanced.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448830</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1268332080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The difference is that, when a FOSS copies from something else, it does not have the chutzpah to claim originality.</i></p><p>I must have been delusional when I thought I read all those posts on Slashdot Games saying that Frozen Bubble and Battle for Wesnoth were original...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference is that , when a FOSS copies from something else , it does not have the chutzpah to claim originality.I must have been delusional when I thought I read all those posts on Slashdot Games saying that Frozen Bubble and Battle for Wesnoth were original.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference is that, when a FOSS copies from something else, it does not have the chutzpah to claim originality.I must have been delusional when I thought I read all those posts on Slashdot Games saying that Frozen Bubble and Battle for Wesnoth were original...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448244</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448156</id>
	<title>Re:Under 30, are you?</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1268322660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. Microsoft stole most of the feature ideas for the products  you mentioned form elsewhere. It's cloning the clones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Microsoft stole most of the feature ideas for the products you mentioned form elsewhere .
It 's cloning the clones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
Microsoft stole most of the feature ideas for the products  you mentioned form elsewhere.
It's cloning the clones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449438</id>
	<title>Re:Under 30, are you?</title>
	<author>Gadget\_Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1268386920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lotus 123, Visicalc, WordPerfect,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I guess you can give MS PowerPoint.</p></div><p>Also Access from dBase. It is interesting that you include both Lotus 123 and Visicalc. It just goes to show that borrowing ideas has gone on since year dot. Even Visicalc was just a pretty interface to existing spreadsheet programs.</p><p>Just imagine how crap software would be these days if they had software patents back then. We would still be having to run our spreadsheet in non-interactive batch mode.</p><p>That's why I have no problems at all with incorporating ideas from proprietary software into open source projects. It is a time honoured tradition to look at something and say "I could do this, but better".</p><p>My only beef is when people get all high and mighty about ideas being borrowed in the other direction. Who cares if Microsoft or Apple take ideas that started in the open source world. The end result is an improved user experience for all software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lotus 123 , Visicalc , WordPerfect , ... I guess you can give MS PowerPoint.Also Access from dBase .
It is interesting that you include both Lotus 123 and Visicalc .
It just goes to show that borrowing ideas has gone on since year dot .
Even Visicalc was just a pretty interface to existing spreadsheet programs.Just imagine how crap software would be these days if they had software patents back then .
We would still be having to run our spreadsheet in non-interactive batch mode.That 's why I have no problems at all with incorporating ideas from proprietary software into open source projects .
It is a time honoured tradition to look at something and say " I could do this , but better " .My only beef is when people get all high and mighty about ideas being borrowed in the other direction .
Who cares if Microsoft or Apple take ideas that started in the open source world .
The end result is an improved user experience for all software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lotus 123, Visicalc, WordPerfect, ... I guess you can give MS PowerPoint.Also Access from dBase.
It is interesting that you include both Lotus 123 and Visicalc.
It just goes to show that borrowing ideas has gone on since year dot.
Even Visicalc was just a pretty interface to existing spreadsheet programs.Just imagine how crap software would be these days if they had software patents back then.
We would still be having to run our spreadsheet in non-interactive batch mode.That's why I have no problems at all with incorporating ideas from proprietary software into open source projects.
It is a time honoured tradition to look at something and say "I could do this, but better".My only beef is when people get all high and mighty about ideas being borrowed in the other direction.
Who cares if Microsoft or Apple take ideas that started in the open source world.
The end result is an improved user experience for all software.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448038</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448246</id>
	<title>Nothing ripped off, taken, stolen, or missing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just wanted to note that apparently Mozilla didn't remove anything from MetLab's servers; all data was intact and unharmed. Things were <i>copied</i>, yes, but that didn't prevent MetLab from continuing to use their UI elements, unlike what their accusations make it sound like (last time <i>I</i> had my car stolen, I couldn't drive it until I got it back, but maybe MetLab inhabits a different dimension than me).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just wanted to note that apparently Mozilla did n't remove anything from MetLab 's servers ; all data was intact and unharmed .
Things were copied , yes , but that did n't prevent MetLab from continuing to use their UI elements , unlike what their accusations make it sound like ( last time I had my car stolen , I could n't drive it until I got it back , but maybe MetLab inhabits a different dimension than me ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just wanted to note that apparently Mozilla didn't remove anything from MetLab's servers; all data was intact and unharmed.
Things were copied, yes, but that didn't prevent MetLab from continuing to use their UI elements, unlike what their accusations make it sound like (last time I had my car stolen, I couldn't drive it until I got it back, but maybe MetLab inhabits a different dimension than me).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448492</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares if it was a mockup?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm willing to bet if you dig deep enough, there's a lot of cross-licensing or IP trading behind closed doors between lawyers, even for UI. It's just that big companies don't announce such mundane things. For starters, the concept of "closing a window" is patented by IBM.</p><p>[google: ibm patent close window]</p><p>As for the art community (which I'm part), we stop being incestuous once we feel the pain of starvation and start working as freelancers. We learn to play by the rules because it's the rules that helps us fight off companies (big and small) from abusing and profiting off our work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm willing to bet if you dig deep enough , there 's a lot of cross-licensing or IP trading behind closed doors between lawyers , even for UI .
It 's just that big companies do n't announce such mundane things .
For starters , the concept of " closing a window " is patented by IBM .
[ google : ibm patent close window ] As for the art community ( which I 'm part ) , we stop being incestuous once we feel the pain of starvation and start working as freelancers .
We learn to play by the rules because it 's the rules that helps us fight off companies ( big and small ) from abusing and profiting off our work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm willing to bet if you dig deep enough, there's a lot of cross-licensing or IP trading behind closed doors between lawyers, even for UI.
It's just that big companies don't announce such mundane things.
For starters, the concept of "closing a window" is patented by IBM.
[google: ibm patent close window]As for the art community (which I'm part), we stop being incestuous once we feel the pain of starvation and start working as freelancers.
We learn to play by the rules because it's the rules that helps us fight off companies (big and small) from abusing and profiting off our work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448272</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448222</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>digitalchinky</author>
	<datestamp>1268323260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Feature for Feature you say? Staroffice started life as "StarWriter" way back when 8 bit processors were cutting edge. I'd say there was and still is quite a lot of 'feature' copying happening on all sides. Probably a lot of what you think of as copying is just common sense GUI design, some of it accidental, but either way, someone has to write the code, it's not like Microsoft released the source.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Feature for Feature you say ?
Staroffice started life as " StarWriter " way back when 8 bit processors were cutting edge .
I 'd say there was and still is quite a lot of 'feature ' copying happening on all sides .
Probably a lot of what you think of as copying is just common sense GUI design , some of it accidental , but either way , someone has to write the code , it 's not like Microsoft released the source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feature for Feature you say?
Staroffice started life as "StarWriter" way back when 8 bit processors were cutting edge.
I'd say there was and still is quite a lot of 'feature' copying happening on all sides.
Probably a lot of what you think of as copying is just common sense GUI design, some of it accidental, but either way, someone has to write the code, it's not like Microsoft released the source.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448236</id>
	<title>Re:As the title says, it was only a mockup</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1268323380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>  LAUNCELOT:  Look, my liege!<br>
  ARTHUR:  Camelot!<br>
  GALAHAD:  Camelot!<br>
  LAUNCELOT:  Camelot!<br>
  PATSY:  It's only a model.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LAUNCELOT : Look , my liege !
ARTHUR : Camelot !
GALAHAD : Camelot !
LAUNCELOT : Camelot !
PATSY : It 's only a model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  LAUNCELOT:  Look, my liege!
ARTHUR:  Camelot!
GALAHAD:  Camelot!
LAUNCELOT:  Camelot!
PATSY:  It's only a model.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448272</id>
	<title>Who cares if it was a mockup?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does it matter if it was a mockup or the real thing? Last I checked using "UI elements" was not protected by copyright or patents. This is the same as the Microsoft and Apple "Look-and-feel" lawsuit from last century. The original complaint was about mockups using straight copied images which could be a copyright infraction but the final product even if it looked nearly identical would be non-infringing. KDE and GNOME both have UI themes that completely rip off various versions of Windows and MacOS. The design (and arts in general) community is so deeply incestuous that to complain about this sort of thing just makes you look like a punk. I looked at their "UI elements"I that Google ripped off and it is absolutely nothing special that hasn't been done before. With a color change and slight adjustment there would be no reasonable grounds for claims of infringement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does it matter if it was a mockup or the real thing ?
Last I checked using " UI elements " was not protected by copyright or patents .
This is the same as the Microsoft and Apple " Look-and-feel " lawsuit from last century .
The original complaint was about mockups using straight copied images which could be a copyright infraction but the final product even if it looked nearly identical would be non-infringing .
KDE and GNOME both have UI themes that completely rip off various versions of Windows and MacOS .
The design ( and arts in general ) community is so deeply incestuous that to complain about this sort of thing just makes you look like a punk .
I looked at their " UI elements " I that Google ripped off and it is absolutely nothing special that has n't been done before .
With a color change and slight adjustment there would be no reasonable grounds for claims of infringement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does it matter if it was a mockup or the real thing?
Last I checked using "UI elements" was not protected by copyright or patents.
This is the same as the Microsoft and Apple "Look-and-feel" lawsuit from last century.
The original complaint was about mockups using straight copied images which could be a copyright infraction but the final product even if it looked nearly identical would be non-infringing.
KDE and GNOME both have UI themes that completely rip off various versions of Windows and MacOS.
The design (and arts in general) community is so deeply incestuous that to complain about this sort of thing just makes you look like a punk.
I looked at their "UI elements"I that Google ripped off and it is absolutely nothing special that hasn't been done before.
With a color change and slight adjustment there would be no reasonable grounds for claims of infringement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449340</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Robert Zenz</author>
	<datestamp>1268384940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How could open source survive without it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Ahm...you didn't look around in the IT industry lately, did you? It's common practice to copy ideas of others. I mean, without Seamonkey/Firefox there would be no IE7 and 8. MacOS-Users wonder why so many things look so damn similar in Windows 7, and Linux Users just smile politely because they know those graphic-effects since years from Compiz and KDE.<br>
<br>
And one last thing, you \_can't steal ideas\_. I mean, you can, you listen to my idea and then rip my skull open...otherwise it would be \_cloning\_ or \_copying\_.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How could open source survive without it ?
: ) Ahm...you did n't look around in the IT industry lately , did you ?
It 's common practice to copy ideas of others .
I mean , without Seamonkey/Firefox there would be no IE7 and 8 .
MacOS-Users wonder why so many things look so damn similar in Windows 7 , and Linux Users just smile politely because they know those graphic-effects since years from Compiz and KDE .
And one last thing , you \ _ca n't steal ideas \ _ .
I mean , you can , you listen to my idea and then rip my skull open...otherwise it would be \ _cloning \ _ or \ _copying \ _ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How could open source survive without it?
:)Ahm...you didn't look around in the IT industry lately, did you?
It's common practice to copy ideas of others.
I mean, without Seamonkey/Firefox there would be no IE7 and 8.
MacOS-Users wonder why so many things look so damn similar in Windows 7, and Linux Users just smile politely because they know those graphic-effects since years from Compiz and KDE.
And one last thing, you \_can't steal ideas\_.
I mean, you can, you listen to my idea and then rip my skull open...otherwise it would be \_cloning\_ or \_copying\_.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448412</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1268325660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows and MacOs stole those ideas from Xerox. OSX came later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows and MacOs stole those ideas from Xerox .
OSX came later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows and MacOs stole those ideas from Xerox.
OSX came later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448294</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Without stealing of ideas, MacOS and Windows would not exist.    The concept of mouse, windows, and graphical menus belong to PARC/Xerox.
</p><p>
Who never got their opportunity to release a product using the technology, because Apple stole it right out from under them, before it was even published, making Apple 1st to market on technology they stole.
</p><p>
Far more damaging than ripping on a work, when the designer's product is already out, known to the market, and available for purchase.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing of ideas , MacOS and Windows would not exist .
The concept of mouse , windows , and graphical menus belong to PARC/Xerox .
Who never got their opportunity to release a product using the technology , because Apple stole it right out from under them , before it was even published , making Apple 1st to market on technology they stole .
Far more damaging than ripping on a work , when the designer 's product is already out , known to the market , and available for purchase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Without stealing of ideas, MacOS and Windows would not exist.
The concept of mouse, windows, and graphical menus belong to PARC/Xerox.
Who never got their opportunity to release a product using the technology, because Apple stole it right out from under them, before it was even published, making Apple 1st to market on technology they stole.
Far more damaging than ripping on a work, when the designer's product is already out, known to the market, and available for purchase.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31452602</id>
	<title>Re:Snore</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1268413980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your haiku does no scan. How about</p><blockquote><div><p>Company does wrong,<br>then later says it's sorry.<br>It's a slow news day.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your haiku does no scan .
How aboutCompany does wrong,then later says it 's sorry.It 's a slow news day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your haiku does no scan.
How aboutCompany does wrong,then later says it's sorry.It's a slow news day.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449166</id>
	<title>Re:reverse the situation</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1268425140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i LOLed. that's gotta be the most insulting thing anyone's ever said about poor old<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.. (yes, i <i>do</i> put a period after<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. if it's the end of the sentence.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>i LOLed .
that 's got ta be the most insulting thing anyone 's ever said about poor old /.. ( yes , i do put a period after / .
if it 's the end of the sentence .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i LOLed.
that's gotta be the most insulting thing anyone's ever said about poor old /.. (yes, i do put a period after /.
if it's the end of the sentence.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448006</id>
	<title>This was a mockup people</title>
	<author>OnlyJedi</author>
	<datestamp>1268321160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, a company decided to take shortcuts in creating a <i>mockup</i> of a project still in early development, and is being blasted because of it? Seriously, this was nowhere near a final release or even a beta release. It was a <i>mockup</i>, designed solely to get across an idea of what the final product interface would look like. Tasking an art team to create all-new icons and artwork is generally counter to the idea of the quick-and-dirty nature of mockups.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , a company decided to take shortcuts in creating a mockup of a project still in early development , and is being blasted because of it ?
Seriously , this was nowhere near a final release or even a beta release .
It was a mockup , designed solely to get across an idea of what the final product interface would look like .
Tasking an art team to create all-new icons and artwork is generally counter to the idea of the quick-and-dirty nature of mockups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, a company decided to take shortcuts in creating a mockup of a project still in early development, and is being blasted because of it?
Seriously, this was nowhere near a final release or even a beta release.
It was a mockup, designed solely to get across an idea of what the final product interface would look like.
Tasking an art team to create all-new icons and artwork is generally counter to the idea of the quick-and-dirty nature of mockups.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31453394</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1268417940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's similar about KDE4 and 7? All the new features in the latter, compared to Vista, don't have any direct analogs in KDE (so far as I know).</p><p>KDE vs Vista would be a more interesting comparison... but I still strongly suspect that the whole "ooh shiny" angle was picked from OS X rather than KDE. But if you can show otherwise, by demonstrating a feature unique to KDE that was copied, by all means, go ahead!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's similar about KDE4 and 7 ?
All the new features in the latter , compared to Vista , do n't have any direct analogs in KDE ( so far as I know ) .KDE vs Vista would be a more interesting comparison... but I still strongly suspect that the whole " ooh shiny " angle was picked from OS X rather than KDE .
But if you can show otherwise , by demonstrating a feature unique to KDE that was copied , by all means , go ahead !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's similar about KDE4 and 7?
All the new features in the latter, compared to Vista, don't have any direct analogs in KDE (so far as I know).KDE vs Vista would be a more interesting comparison... but I still strongly suspect that the whole "ooh shiny" angle was picked from OS X rather than KDE.
But if you can show otherwise, by demonstrating a feature unique to KDE that was copied, by all means, go ahead!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448244</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>keeboo</author>
	<datestamp>1268323500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Without stealing of ideas, we wouldn't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has.  Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X.  How could open source survive without it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Feeling trolly today?<br>
<br>
Both Apple and Microsoft copied from Xerox, Lotus etc.<br>
The difference is that, when a FOSS copies from something else, it does not have the chutzpah to claim originality.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing of ideas , we would n't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has .
Without stealing , we would n't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X. How could open source survive without it ?
: ) Feeling trolly today ?
Both Apple and Microsoft copied from Xerox , Lotus etc .
The difference is that , when a FOSS copies from something else , it does not have the chutzpah to claim originality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing of ideas, we wouldn't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has.
Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X.  How could open source survive without it?
:)Feeling trolly today?
Both Apple and Microsoft copied from Xerox, Lotus etc.
The difference is that, when a FOSS copies from something else, it does not have the chutzpah to claim originality.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448640</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1268328780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Feeling trolly today?</p></div><p>A little.  Hopefully the smiley tempered it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Feeling trolly today ? A little .
Hopefully the smiley tempered it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feeling trolly today?A little.
Hopefully the smiley tempered it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449108</id>
	<title>No wonder Mozilla is falling behind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268424180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look what they try to copy. There aren't much new designs here, or have been on the Web for quite a while now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look what they try to copy .
There are n't much new designs here , or have been on the Web for quite a while now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look what they try to copy.
There aren't much new designs here, or have been on the Web for quite a while now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31456910</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>cyberthanasis12</author>
	<datestamp>1268389860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Without stealing of ideas</p></div><p>Stealing? Ideas? Right. Every time you use the Pythagorean theorem, you steal the idea of Pythagoras.<br> <br>
Seriously though, ideas are cheap, implementations are difficult.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing of ideasStealing ?
Ideas ? Right .
Every time you use the Pythagorean theorem , you steal the idea of Pythagoras .
Seriously though , ideas are cheap , implementations are difficult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing of ideasStealing?
Ideas? Right.
Every time you use the Pythagorean theorem, you steal the idea of Pythagoras.
Seriously though, ideas are cheap, implementations are difficult.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31450422</id>
	<title>Wow. Everyone involved behaved like adults....</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1268401680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...What an unusual story of reasonable, fair minded business professionals that seem ethical, responsive, and willing to admit or forgive a mistake.  This is news, these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...What an unusual story of reasonable , fair minded business professionals that seem ethical , responsive , and willing to admit or forgive a mistake .
This is news , these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...What an unusual story of reasonable, fair minded business professionals that seem ethical, responsive, and willing to admit or forgive a mistake.
This is news, these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449010</id>
	<title>Front page stuff: decent behaviour</title>
	<author>Odinlake</author>
	<datestamp>1268336160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>X slights Y, apologizes. Y accepts apology. Isn't it a rather depressing thought that this kind of upright behaviour apparently is unusual enough that it makes news?</htmltext>
<tokenext>X slights Y , apologizes .
Y accepts apology .
Is n't it a rather depressing thought that this kind of upright behaviour apparently is unusual enough that it makes news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X slights Y, apologizes.
Y accepts apology.
Isn't it a rather depressing thought that this kind of upright behaviour apparently is unusual enough that it makes news?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31450050</id>
	<title>Yeah, right..</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1268398020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They told me that that the team who put together the blog post and video was unaware of the similarities at the time of inclusion."</p><p>Unaware? Bullshit. That was a copy/paste job. Every pixel is identical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They told me that that the team who put together the blog post and video was unaware of the similarities at the time of inclusion. " Unaware ?
Bullshit. That was a copy/paste job .
Every pixel is identical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They told me that that the team who put together the blog post and video was unaware of the similarities at the time of inclusion."Unaware?
Bullshit. That was a copy/paste job.
Every pixel is identical.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448594</id>
	<title>Re:Snore</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1268328300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Slow news day?</p></div><p>The days are getting so slow around here that they have had to resort to traveling into the distant past to find stories to post.</p><p>But yeah everyone keeps saying 1:1 copy - the horror! I bet most of these same people are guilty of doing this with their own program GUI's or websites. Honestly we all know that the 'make it shiny' peoples aren't always the 'make it stable' peoples so this really just isn't a big deal. It's a damn mock up plus the underlining code is totally different. It's not like when Microsoft xor Apple cuts and pastes GNU code into their apps or heck release entire programs they stole from GNU code.</p><p>Wait... this is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. so never-mind most of you are working for M$ or Apple <i>while</i> stealing GNU code <i>and</i> masturbating to loli porn about a despotic corporate future state where you can exact your revenge on the children of those who bullied you at the bus stop as a child. You sick twisted aspe fucks totally disgust me..</p><p>Or I guess you could just be Opera uses as the effect would be equivalent.</p><p>Regardless we will soon find out how true this statement is as I expect a -1 troll or flamebait mod just as soon as you finish cleaning yourselves up. twats...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slow news day ? The days are getting so slow around here that they have had to resort to traveling into the distant past to find stories to post.But yeah everyone keeps saying 1 : 1 copy - the horror !
I bet most of these same people are guilty of doing this with their own program GUI 's or websites .
Honestly we all know that the 'make it shiny ' peoples are n't always the 'make it stable ' peoples so this really just is n't a big deal .
It 's a damn mock up plus the underlining code is totally different .
It 's not like when Microsoft xor Apple cuts and pastes GNU code into their apps or heck release entire programs they stole from GNU code.Wait... this is / .
so never-mind most of you are working for M $ or Apple while stealing GNU code and masturbating to loli porn about a despotic corporate future state where you can exact your revenge on the children of those who bullied you at the bus stop as a child .
You sick twisted aspe fucks totally disgust me..Or I guess you could just be Opera uses as the effect would be equivalent.Regardless we will soon find out how true this statement is as I expect a -1 troll or flamebait mod just as soon as you finish cleaning yourselves up .
twats.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slow news day?The days are getting so slow around here that they have had to resort to traveling into the distant past to find stories to post.But yeah everyone keeps saying 1:1 copy - the horror!
I bet most of these same people are guilty of doing this with their own program GUI's or websites.
Honestly we all know that the 'make it shiny' peoples aren't always the 'make it stable' peoples so this really just isn't a big deal.
It's a damn mock up plus the underlining code is totally different.
It's not like when Microsoft xor Apple cuts and pastes GNU code into their apps or heck release entire programs they stole from GNU code.Wait... this is /.
so never-mind most of you are working for M$ or Apple while stealing GNU code and masturbating to loli porn about a despotic corporate future state where you can exact your revenge on the children of those who bullied you at the bus stop as a child.
You sick twisted aspe fucks totally disgust me..Or I guess you could just be Opera uses as the effect would be equivalent.Regardless we will soon find out how true this statement is as I expect a -1 troll or flamebait mod just as soon as you finish cleaning yourselves up.
twats...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31482274</id>
	<title>Is this really a problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268669580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is GUI stuff. I think it's a good idea to standardize on things. Particularly icons. Having many different versions of an icon for doing the same thing is stupid. It just makes them all unrecognizable and useless. Look at a car dash. How many people know what the buttons and knobs do by looking at the latest version of their icons? I'm not sure how to resolve the "it's my idea" part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is GUI stuff .
I think it 's a good idea to standardize on things .
Particularly icons .
Having many different versions of an icon for doing the same thing is stupid .
It just makes them all unrecognizable and useless .
Look at a car dash .
How many people know what the buttons and knobs do by looking at the latest version of their icons ?
I 'm not sure how to resolve the " it 's my idea " part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is GUI stuff.
I think it's a good idea to standardize on things.
Particularly icons.
Having many different versions of an icon for doing the same thing is stupid.
It just makes them all unrecognizable and useless.
Look at a car dash.
How many people know what the buttons and knobs do by looking at the latest version of their icons?
I'm not sure how to resolve the "it's my idea" part.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447892</id>
	<title>Snore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268320440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Company does something wrong.</p><p> Company apologizes.</p><p>Accuser accepts apology.</p><p>Slow news day?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Company does something wrong .
Company apologizes.Accuser accepts apology.Slow news day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Company does something wrong.
Company apologizes.Accuser accepts apology.Slow news day?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448550</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1268327820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't used Windows 7 yet, but I hope it's a bit more intuitive than KDE4 was. Until I found out how to make the desktop usable as a place to drop "stuff" in KDE, I found it a pretty frustrating experience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't used Windows 7 yet , but I hope it 's a bit more intuitive than KDE4 was .
Until I found out how to make the desktop usable as a place to drop " stuff " in KDE , I found it a pretty frustrating experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't used Windows 7 yet, but I hope it's a bit more intuitive than KDE4 was.
Until I found out how to make the desktop usable as a place to drop "stuff" in KDE, I found it a pretty frustrating experience.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448074</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448010</id>
	<title>Good thing.</title>
	<author>Ekuryua</author>
	<datestamp>1268321160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jetpack is pretty much an attempt at making firefox extensions greasemonkey scripts that hold no actual application power. They were talking of removing normal extension support for that fake sugary stuff. Plus the idea that normal people will be making quick extensions is just ridiculous. Making a normal ff extension is not that hard, it's all quite documented and you can take any simple extension as base template if scared...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jetpack is pretty much an attempt at making firefox extensions greasemonkey scripts that hold no actual application power .
They were talking of removing normal extension support for that fake sugary stuff .
Plus the idea that normal people will be making quick extensions is just ridiculous .
Making a normal ff extension is not that hard , it 's all quite documented and you can take any simple extension as base template if scared.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jetpack is pretty much an attempt at making firefox extensions greasemonkey scripts that hold no actual application power.
They were talking of removing normal extension support for that fake sugary stuff.
Plus the idea that normal people will be making quick extensions is just ridiculous.
Making a normal ff extension is not that hard, it's all quite documented and you can take any simple extension as base template if scared...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448784</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1268331180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Feeling trolly today?"</i>
<br> <br>
Did you read what they're accused of stealing?  They're accused of stealing website design.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://s3.amazonaws.com/metalab-tumblr/post-imgs/side-by-side.png" title="amazonaws.com">Here's a photo demonstrating exactly what they're accused of stealing</a> [amazonaws.com]
<br> <br>
While I'd admit they look very similar (FlightDeck looks better IMHO) this is the internet, every well designed site ends up on other sites.  How many websites look like Amazon?  Look at all the identical looking blogs created with wordpress.  Honestly MetaLab I think you're mad they took your design and improved upon it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Feeling trolly today ?
" Did you read what they 're accused of stealing ?
They 're accused of stealing website design .
Here 's a photo demonstrating exactly what they 're accused of stealing [ amazonaws.com ] While I 'd admit they look very similar ( FlightDeck looks better IMHO ) this is the internet , every well designed site ends up on other sites .
How many websites look like Amazon ?
Look at all the identical looking blogs created with wordpress .
Honestly MetaLab I think you 're mad they took your design and improved upon it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Feeling trolly today?
"
 
Did you read what they're accused of stealing?
They're accused of stealing website design.
Here's a photo demonstrating exactly what they're accused of stealing [amazonaws.com]
 
While I'd admit they look very similar (FlightDeck looks better IMHO) this is the internet, every well designed site ends up on other sites.
How many websites look like Amazon?
Look at all the identical looking blogs created with wordpress.
Honestly MetaLab I think you're mad they took your design and improved upon it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448244</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448428</id>
	<title>reverse the situation</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1268325900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed.<p>
yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed .
yes thats right , slashdot is as bad as fox news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed.
yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31452464</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268413380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wesnoth openly states that it was made in the style of a Genesis game called Master of Monsters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wesnoth openly states that it was made in the style of a Genesis game called Master of Monsters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wesnoth openly states that it was made in the style of a Genesis game called Master of Monsters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448830</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448056</id>
	<title>I recently did this myself.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268321520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I harvested a background out of sheer laziness. I took it from Ford.com! LOL!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I harvested a background out of sheer laziness .
I took it from Ford.com !
LOL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I harvested a background out of sheer laziness.
I took it from Ford.com!
LOL!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448032</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268321280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a difference between creating similar tools to do the same job and copying a user interface pixel for pixel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a difference between creating similar tools to do the same job and copying a user interface pixel for pixel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a difference between creating similar tools to do the same job and copying a user interface pixel for pixel.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448850</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; This isn't about stealing of ideas, this is stealing work pixel-for-pixel. That's never OK.
<br> <br>
I have two questions.  How does one "steal" pixels and why is it not ok?  If elements of their UI look good, I say use them.  There is NO WAY that it harms the original application, and I'm pretty sure that you can't copyright a piece of a UI.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; This is n't about stealing of ideas , this is stealing work pixel-for-pixel .
That 's never OK . I have two questions .
How does one " steal " pixels and why is it not ok ?
If elements of their UI look good , I say use them .
There is NO WAY that it harms the original application , and I 'm pretty sure that you ca n't copyright a piece of a UI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; This isn't about stealing of ideas, this is stealing work pixel-for-pixel.
That's never OK.
 
I have two questions.
How does one "steal" pixels and why is it not ok?
If elements of their UI look good, I say use them.
There is NO WAY that it harms the original application, and I'm pretty sure that you can't copyright a piece of a UI.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447960</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268320860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Exactly. The worst part was how the KDE team went FORWARD in time, completely ripped off Windows 7 and then went BACK in time and implemented KDE4 before Windows 7 was even in beta! The nerve! </p><p>(Anonymous for obvious reasons)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing , we would n't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X. Exactly. The worst part was how the KDE team went FORWARD in time , completely ripped off Windows 7 and then went BACK in time and implemented KDE4 before Windows 7 was even in beta !
The nerve !
( Anonymous for obvious reasons )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X. Exactly. The worst part was how the KDE team went FORWARD in time, completely ripped off Windows 7 and then went BACK in time and implemented KDE4 before Windows 7 was even in beta!
The nerve!
(Anonymous for obvious reasons)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449448</id>
	<title>Re:Changed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268386920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what theme is that for firefox? I want it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what theme is that for firefox ?
I want it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what theme is that for firefox?
I want it!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448022</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31449382</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>DMiax</author>
	<datestamp>1268385600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also worth noting that the mokups and plans for the plasma dashboard predate the OSX one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also worth noting that the mokups and plans for the plasma dashboard predate the OSX one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also worth noting that the mokups and plans for the plasma dashboard predate the OSX one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448572</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1268328120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without stealing, we'd each have to independently invent the wheel and discover fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing , we 'd each have to independently invent the wheel and discover fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing, we'd each have to independently invent the wheel and discover fire.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448194</id>
	<title>UIs need to be borrowed from</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, there are only a few ways you can make a decent UI that is familiar. Sharing user interfaces is a -good thing- when it comes down to it, the more familiar an application is, the easier it is to use. Imagine if every single program had a radically different UI. You opened up Firefox and it looked nothing like IE, which looked nothing like Opera which looked nothing like Chrome, if this happened probably everyone would still be using Mosaic. The more UIs borrow from one another, the easier they are to use and the better the UI becomes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , there are only a few ways you can make a decent UI that is familiar .
Sharing user interfaces is a -good thing- when it comes down to it , the more familiar an application is , the easier it is to use .
Imagine if every single program had a radically different UI .
You opened up Firefox and it looked nothing like IE , which looked nothing like Opera which looked nothing like Chrome , if this happened probably everyone would still be using Mosaic .
The more UIs borrow from one another , the easier they are to use and the better the UI becomes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, there are only a few ways you can make a decent UI that is familiar.
Sharing user interfaces is a -good thing- when it comes down to it, the more familiar an application is, the easier it is to use.
Imagine if every single program had a radically different UI.
You opened up Firefox and it looked nothing like IE, which looked nothing like Opera which looked nothing like Chrome, if this happened probably everyone would still be using Mosaic.
The more UIs borrow from one another, the easier they are to use and the better the UI becomes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31448586</id>
	<title>Re:Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268328240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone read the article? These guys stole the actual images off of MetaLab, not a fucking idea or a "gist" of their design. What makes it worse is that this is after Mozilla decided that these guys were too expensive and denied their bid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone read the article ?
These guys stole the actual images off of MetaLab , not a fucking idea or a " gist " of their design .
What makes it worse is that this is after Mozilla decided that these guys were too expensive and denied their bid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone read the article?
These guys stole the actual images off of MetaLab, not a fucking idea or a "gist" of their design.
What makes it worse is that this is after Mozilla decided that these guys were too expensive and denied their bid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_12_000226.31447868</id>
	<title>Open source, steal?</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1268320200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without stealing of ideas, we wouldn't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has.  Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X.  How could open source survive without it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without stealing of ideas , we would n't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has .
Without stealing , we would n't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X. How could open source survive without it ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without stealing of ideas, we wouldn't have Open Office which implemented feature-for-feature what Microsoft Office has.
Without stealing, we wouldn't have KDE and Gnome with implemented many features from Windows and OS X.  How could open source survive without it?
:)</sentencetext>
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