<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_11_2147212</id>
	<title>SolarPHP 1.0 Released</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268302680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>HvitRavn writes <i>"<a href="http://solarphp.com/">SolarPHP</a> <a href="http://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/solar-talk/2010-March/004655.html">1.0 stable was released</a> by Paul M. Jones today. SolarPHP is an application framework and library, and is a serious contender alongside Zend Framework, Symphony, and similar frameworks. SolarPHP has in the recent years been the cause of heated debate in the PHP community due to <a href="http://paul-m-jones.com/?cat=27">provocative benchmark results posted on Paul M. Jones' blog</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>HvitRavn writes " SolarPHP 1.0 stable was released by Paul M. Jones today .
SolarPHP is an application framework and library , and is a serious contender alongside Zend Framework , Symphony , and similar frameworks .
SolarPHP has in the recent years been the cause of heated debate in the PHP community due to provocative benchmark results posted on Paul M. Jones ' blog .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HvitRavn writes "SolarPHP 1.0 stable was released by Paul M. Jones today.
SolarPHP is an application framework and library, and is a serious contender alongside Zend Framework, Symphony, and similar frameworks.
SolarPHP has in the recent years been the cause of heated debate in the PHP community due to provocative benchmark results posted on Paul M. Jones' blog.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31451560</id>
	<title>90s</title>
	<author>Max\_W</author>
	<datestamp>1268409060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 90s we had to build a complete interactive web-page in Perl or C, with html tags and JavaScript, and then print it out to a browser. And we were grateful.</p><p>Nowadays, having PHP, which is so easy to use, people want to make it even easier. I don't get it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 90s we had to build a complete interactive web-page in Perl or C , with html tags and JavaScript , and then print it out to a browser .
And we were grateful.Nowadays , having PHP , which is so easy to use , people want to make it even easier .
I do n't get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 90s we had to build a complete interactive web-page in Perl or C, with html tags and JavaScript, and then print it out to a browser.
And we were grateful.Nowadays, having PHP, which is so easy to use, people want to make it even easier.
I don't get it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448160</id>
	<title>What is the point of PHP frameworks?</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1268322720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I admit, I code a lot of PHP.  And I have never felt the need to take a serious look at using any frameworks.  Isn't the entire point of PHP that it makes a great rapid development platform?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I admit , I code a lot of PHP .
And I have never felt the need to take a serious look at using any frameworks .
Is n't the entire point of PHP that it makes a great rapid development platform ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit, I code a lot of PHP.
And I have never felt the need to take a serious look at using any frameworks.
Isn't the entire point of PHP that it makes a great rapid development platform?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445628</id>
	<title>Perfect timing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perfect timing. I was just about to write a rather complex web application. How does this (or PHP in general) compare to, say, PERL in the execution speed, memory usage, and code manageability aspects? I'm sure I can get some quality, unbiased opinions here on the topic.</p><p>Thanks in Advance!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perfect timing .
I was just about to write a rather complex web application .
How does this ( or PHP in general ) compare to , say , PERL in the execution speed , memory usage , and code manageability aspects ?
I 'm sure I can get some quality , unbiased opinions here on the topic.Thanks in Advance !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perfect timing.
I was just about to write a rather complex web application.
How does this (or PHP in general) compare to, say, PERL in the execution speed, memory usage, and code manageability aspects?
I'm sure I can get some quality, unbiased opinions here on the topic.Thanks in Advance!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448546</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268327820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am happy you didn't get basted for the ?&gt; comment.  Good job everyone on showing restraint and taking the higher road.</p><p>Truth is, when you think you've learned everything there is to know about the intricacies of languages and best practices...  You've missed something and need to go back to the books.  I'm slowly learning that lesson.  Judgment requires experience and you need to know when you've got the experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am happy you did n't get basted for the ? &gt; comment .
Good job everyone on showing restraint and taking the higher road.Truth is , when you think you 've learned everything there is to know about the intricacies of languages and best practices... You 've missed something and need to go back to the books .
I 'm slowly learning that lesson .
Judgment requires experience and you need to know when you 've got the experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am happy you didn't get basted for the ?&gt; comment.
Good job everyone on showing restraint and taking the higher road.Truth is, when you think you've learned everything there is to know about the intricacies of languages and best practices...  You've missed something and need to go back to the books.
I'm slowly learning that lesson.
Judgment requires experience and you need to know when you've got the experience.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447092</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268314260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I briefly visited the website and couldn't find the gitweb or equivalent so that I could laugh at the source code.  I did however find the class documentation to be amusing. eg:</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>$struct-&gt;addNewKey = 'something new has been added';<br>echo $struct-&gt;noSuchKey;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// 'something new has been added'</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>Pfft!</p><p>I've already got all the useful functionality as libs that I authored myself and my code is probably of a higher standard.  My vote would be to replace the term "web framework" with the term "web programming clusterfuck"; it's a much more realistic description.  I doubt that even that change would stop poor programmers mistaking the authors self-promotion for programming ability -- which is the only way to explain the popularity of "web programming clusterfucks".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I briefly visited the website and could n't find the gitweb or equivalent so that I could laugh at the source code .
I did however find the class documentation to be amusing .
eg : $ struct- &gt; addNewKey = 'something new has been added ' ; echo $ struct- &gt; noSuchKey ; // 'something new has been added ' Pfft ! I 've already got all the useful functionality as libs that I authored myself and my code is probably of a higher standard .
My vote would be to replace the term " web framework " with the term " web programming clusterfuck " ; it 's a much more realistic description .
I doubt that even that change would stop poor programmers mistaking the authors self-promotion for programming ability -- which is the only way to explain the popularity of " web programming clusterfucks " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I briefly visited the website and couldn't find the gitweb or equivalent so that I could laugh at the source code.
I did however find the class documentation to be amusing.
eg: $struct-&gt;addNewKey = 'something new has been added';echo $struct-&gt;noSuchKey; // 'something new has been added' Pfft!I've already got all the useful functionality as libs that I authored myself and my code is probably of a higher standard.
My vote would be to replace the term "web framework" with the term "web programming clusterfuck"; it's a much more realistic description.
I doubt that even that change would stop poor programmers mistaking the authors self-promotion for programming ability -- which is the only way to explain the popularity of "web programming clusterfucks".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446170</id>
	<title>Can't beat PHPulse</title>
	<author>Foofoobar</author>
	<datestamp>1268309280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Still slower than PHPulse

www.phpulse.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still slower than PHPulse www.phpulse.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still slower than PHPulse

www.phpulse.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31450386</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268401440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just curious, why are you philosophically opposed to Ruby?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just curious , why are you philosophically opposed to Ruby ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just curious, why are you philosophically opposed to Ruby?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448996</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448744</id>
	<title>Bad Mod Alert.</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1268330520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> (Score:0, Offtopic)</i></p><p>While the smugness of the parent post could be interpreted at a stretch as flamebait or trolling, it's in no way offtopic. Comparing code density/expressiveness between frameworks is topical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Score : 0 , Offtopic ) While the smugness of the parent post could be interpreted at a stretch as flamebait or trolling , it 's in no way offtopic .
Comparing code density/expressiveness between frameworks is topical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> (Score:0, Offtopic)While the smugness of the parent post could be interpreted at a stretch as flamebait or trolling, it's in no way offtopic.
Comparing code density/expressiveness between frameworks is topical.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31456682</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1268389080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why? The nice thing about freedom is you can try it your own way. Maybe you won't do it any better but at least you can try. Someone can come along and take your best bits and combine them with the best bits of other frameworks and make the Godzilla of frameworks if they want.
<br> <br>
If you feel the documentation of your favourite framework sucks then contribute. Making a great framework isn't just about writing code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
The nice thing about freedom is you can try it your own way .
Maybe you wo n't do it any better but at least you can try .
Someone can come along and take your best bits and combine them with the best bits of other frameworks and make the Godzilla of frameworks if they want .
If you feel the documentation of your favourite framework sucks then contribute .
Making a great framework is n't just about writing code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
The nice thing about freedom is you can try it your own way.
Maybe you won't do it any better but at least you can try.
Someone can come along and take your best bits and combine them with the best bits of other frameworks and make the Godzilla of frameworks if they want.
If you feel the documentation of your favourite framework sucks then contribute.
Making a great framework isn't just about writing code.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446374</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268310360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There aren't really any more production-ready frameworks for PHP as any other language. It's just a good deal easier to 'promote' a new PHP framework because people are so willing to put the story on a tech news website knowing that it'll generate plenty of chatter (mostly about how awful PHP is).</p><p>When a framework developer starts selling their code on the basis of <i>execution speed</i> rather than ease of use, flexibility or completeness you know you can ignore it. Any proper framework will cache templates into native code, or maybe cache content into static HTML, so the speed of the framework itself is meaningless - a good one does at little as possible for each page view.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are n't really any more production-ready frameworks for PHP as any other language .
It 's just a good deal easier to 'promote ' a new PHP framework because people are so willing to put the story on a tech news website knowing that it 'll generate plenty of chatter ( mostly about how awful PHP is ) .When a framework developer starts selling their code on the basis of execution speed rather than ease of use , flexibility or completeness you know you can ignore it .
Any proper framework will cache templates into native code , or maybe cache content into static HTML , so the speed of the framework itself is meaningless - a good one does at little as possible for each page view .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There aren't really any more production-ready frameworks for PHP as any other language.
It's just a good deal easier to 'promote' a new PHP framework because people are so willing to put the story on a tech news website knowing that it'll generate plenty of chatter (mostly about how awful PHP is).When a framework developer starts selling their code on the basis of execution speed rather than ease of use, flexibility or completeness you know you can ignore it.
Any proper framework will cache templates into native code, or maybe cache content into static HTML, so the speed of the framework itself is meaningless - a good one does at little as possible for each page view.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31449222</id>
	<title>Re:Rails 3.1 Comparison</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1268425860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is every framework example about demonstrating how to create a blog?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is every framework example about demonstrating how to create a blog ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is every framework example about demonstrating how to create a blog?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446468</id>
	<title>No.</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1268310900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Yet another PHP framework. Won't this ever stop?</i></p><p>No. It won't. There's probably always going to be new ideas about abstractions with the potential to save developers effort once they're implemented. I should hope so, anyway.</p><p>
&nbsp; <i>Won't the development efforts ever be directed to only a handful of frameworks?</i></p><p>The lion's share of attention is certainly directed towards a handful:  Cake, Symfony, Zend (not actually a framework), and CodeIgniter probably topping the list, others like Akelos or Zoop or TinyMVC probably farther down but still striking the fancy of developers here or there.</p><p>But it pretty much comes down to developer itches, and the fact that thoroughly understanding a system is usually a task roughly equivalent to writing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another PHP framework .
Wo n't this ever stop ? No .
It wo n't .
There 's probably always going to be new ideas about abstractions with the potential to save developers effort once they 're implemented .
I should hope so , anyway .
  Wo n't the development efforts ever be directed to only a handful of frameworks ? The lion 's share of attention is certainly directed towards a handful : Cake , Symfony , Zend ( not actually a framework ) , and CodeIgniter probably topping the list , others like Akelos or Zoop or TinyMVC probably farther down but still striking the fancy of developers here or there.But it pretty much comes down to developer itches , and the fact that thoroughly understanding a system is usually a task roughly equivalent to writing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another PHP framework.
Won't this ever stop?No.
It won't.
There's probably always going to be new ideas about abstractions with the potential to save developers effort once they're implemented.
I should hope so, anyway.
  Won't the development efforts ever be directed to only a handful of frameworks?The lion's share of attention is certainly directed towards a handful:  Cake, Symfony, Zend (not actually a framework), and CodeIgniter probably topping the list, others like Akelos or Zoop or TinyMVC probably farther down but still striking the fancy of developers here or there.But it pretty much comes down to developer itches, and the fact that thoroughly understanding a system is usually a task roughly equivalent to writing it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447414</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>shelterit</author>
	<datestamp>1268316240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;  And they don't appear to close half of their<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.php files with '?&gt;'. Why is that?

Ah, now that is because they are smarter than you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) The hints are; 1) whitespace control, 2) conscious idea of separating code and markup, and 3) slight but minuscule speed improvement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; And they do n't appear to close half of their .php files with ' ? &gt; ' .
Why is that ?
Ah , now that is because they are smarter than you .
: ) The hints are ; 1 ) whitespace control , 2 ) conscious idea of separating code and markup , and 3 ) slight but minuscule speed improvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;  And they don't appear to close half of their .php files with '?&gt;'.
Why is that?
Ah, now that is because they are smarter than you.
:) The hints are; 1) whitespace control, 2) conscious idea of separating code and markup, and 3) slight but minuscule speed improvement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447378</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>jjohnson</author>
	<datestamp>1268316000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the AC noted below, it's considered a best practice to omit the ?&gt; to avoid accidentally including non-processed whitespace after the closing tag when you include the file.  If someone hits space after ?&gt;, and you include that file and then try to print a header, it causes an error.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the AC noted below , it 's considered a best practice to omit the ? &gt; to avoid accidentally including non-processed whitespace after the closing tag when you include the file .
If someone hits space after ? &gt; , and you include that file and then try to print a header , it causes an error .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the AC noted below, it's considered a best practice to omit the ?&gt; to avoid accidentally including non-processed whitespace after the closing tag when you include the file.
If someone hits space after ?&gt;, and you include that file and then try to print a header, it causes an error.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448538</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268327760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Solar *is* just a nice set of libraries. It has a separate application skeleton for those who want to get up and running quickly, as well as CLI tools to generate pieces of the basic structure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Solar * is * just a nice set of libraries .
It has a separate application skeleton for those who want to get up and running quickly , as well as CLI tools to generate pieces of the basic structure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Solar *is* just a nice set of libraries.
It has a separate application skeleton for those who want to get up and running quickly, as well as CLI tools to generate pieces of the basic structure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447404</id>
	<title>Re:blog</title>
	<author>XorNand</author>
	<datestamp>1268316180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I once wrote a post on my blog that got frontpaged on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and I had zero problems coping with the traffic.  This was using Wordpress with the WP-Cache plugin on a modestly-powered server in a datacenter.  I'm not really sure why so many people have issues (unless they aren't running WP-Cache, of course).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I once wrote a post on my blog that got frontpaged on / .
and I had zero problems coping with the traffic .
This was using Wordpress with the WP-Cache plugin on a modestly-powered server in a datacenter .
I 'm not really sure why so many people have issues ( unless they are n't running WP-Cache , of course ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once wrote a post on my blog that got frontpaged on /.
and I had zero problems coping with the traffic.
This was using Wordpress with the WP-Cache plugin on a modestly-powered server in a datacenter.
I'm not really sure why so many people have issues (unless they aren't running WP-Cache, of course).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446234</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447624</id>
	<title>Debate?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1268318100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's see... the "debate" consists of 17 comments on some dude's blog.
<p>
Curious, I searched for <a href="http://scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=solarphp\%20debate" title="scroogle.org">solarphp debate</a> [scroogle.org] and the first 12 results are a verbatim cut-n-paste of the same summary that was copy-pasted into the Slashdot article.

</p><p>
The subsequent results don't even touch on any kind of performance testing with solarphp.  So, um... why is this on the front page again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see... the " debate " consists of 17 comments on some dude 's blog .
Curious , I searched for solarphp debate [ scroogle.org ] and the first 12 results are a verbatim cut-n-paste of the same summary that was copy-pasted into the Slashdot article .
The subsequent results do n't even touch on any kind of performance testing with solarphp .
So , um... why is this on the front page again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see... the "debate" consists of 17 comments on some dude's blog.
Curious, I searched for solarphp debate [scroogle.org] and the first 12 results are a verbatim cut-n-paste of the same summary that was copy-pasted into the Slashdot article.
The subsequent results don't even touch on any kind of performance testing with solarphp.
So, um... why is this on the front page again?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447274</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>profplump</author>
	<datestamp>1268315400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No closing ?&gt; tag?</p><p>Because it's not XML, and it does not need to balance. The closing tag is just there to stop PHP processing and return to normal text mode. If you have no normal text to display it's completely optional. Heck, it might even help keep you from having trailing space/newlines/etc. at the end of your programatic output.</p><p>Now I personally prefer to close everything, and would never leave a hanging opening tag, but it's has no benefit toward processing the page.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No closing ? &gt; tag ? Because it 's not XML , and it does not need to balance .
The closing tag is just there to stop PHP processing and return to normal text mode .
If you have no normal text to display it 's completely optional .
Heck , it might even help keep you from having trailing space/newlines/etc .
at the end of your programatic output.Now I personally prefer to close everything , and would never leave a hanging opening tag , but it 's has no benefit toward processing the page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No closing ?&gt; tag?Because it's not XML, and it does not need to balance.
The closing tag is just there to stop PHP processing and return to normal text mode.
If you have no normal text to display it's completely optional.
Heck, it might even help keep you from having trailing space/newlines/etc.
at the end of your programatic output.Now I personally prefer to close everything, and would never leave a hanging opening tag, but it's has no benefit toward processing the page.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447126</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447658</id>
	<title>Re:Rails 3.1 Comparison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268318400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could also abbreviate every.  posts == p, Post to P, and status to s. and public to p, and created to c. Then it would be.</p><p>@p = P.where(:s =&gt; 'p').order('created DESC')</p><p>Even less typing. cause typing is so tedious and IDE's have autocomplete and copy paste.</p><p>But then in PHP I could use something like http://framework.maintainable.com/mvc/3\_model.php</p><p>Or<br>http://www.doctrine-project.org/<br>http://xyster.devweblog.org/<br>http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/</p><p>And they may not be as AWESOME, but they're alright.</p><p>In the end it depends what you want to do, how long you have to do it, what your stuck working with, and how fast it needs to run.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could also abbreviate every .
posts = = p , Post to P , and status to s. and public to p , and created to c. Then it would be .
@ p = P.where ( : s = &gt; 'p ' ) .order ( 'created DESC ' ) Even less typing .
cause typing is so tedious and IDE 's have autocomplete and copy paste.But then in PHP I could use something like http : //framework.maintainable.com/mvc/3 \ _model.phpOrhttp : //www.doctrine-project.org/http : //xyster.devweblog.org/http : //propel.phpdb.org/trac/And they may not be as AWESOME , but they 're alright.In the end it depends what you want to do , how long you have to do it , what your stuck working with , and how fast it needs to run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could also abbreviate every.
posts == p, Post to P, and status to s. and public to p, and created to c. Then it would be.
@p = P.where(:s =&gt; 'p').order('created DESC')Even less typing.
cause typing is so tedious and IDE's have autocomplete and copy paste.But then in PHP I could use something like http://framework.maintainable.com/mvc/3\_model.phpOrhttp://www.doctrine-project.org/http://xyster.devweblog.org/http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/And they may not be as AWESOME, but they're alright.In the end it depends what you want to do, how long you have to do it, what your stuck working with, and how fast it needs to run.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</id>
	<title>Yet another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268308860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another PHP framework. Won't this ever stop? Won't the development efforts ever be directed to only a handful of frameworks, to get the best we can instead of a gazillion half-(or un-) documented, over-(or under-) engineered frameworks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another PHP framework .
Wo n't this ever stop ?
Wo n't the development efforts ever be directed to only a handful of frameworks , to get the best we can instead of a gazillion half- ( or un- ) documented , over- ( or under- ) engineered frameworks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another PHP framework.
Won't this ever stop?
Won't the development efforts ever be directed to only a handful of frameworks, to get the best we can instead of a gazillion half-(or un-) documented, over-(or under-) engineered frameworks?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31449800</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>amn108</author>
	<datestamp>1268392560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I completely agree with you. I don't think the craze will stop ever though. Part of the whole culture survives on the money, and money math unfortunately favors less work for more pay, i.e. using (leaky) abstractions that cut costs to get paid, even if the framework goes under later, it's not anybody's concern (except the client of course), because legally, the job was done. If you stretch this logic, you can see it is the same reason nobody codes in assembly for commercial production anymore - people always look for better tools. Sometimes though they find tools originally either made for something else (Flash) or the tools are so specialized, that even though they appear to fit perfectly for a particular kind of task, once the constraints or goals of this task change, it's a dead end for the tool user.</p><p>I have a contact that tries to make a generic website, using Wordpress for some reason. I have asked why Wordpress, a blogging CMS, but the person cannot give a good answer. They had used it before for blogs, came to like its ease of use, and came to think it should also fit fine for anything else than blogs, despite the fact that Wordpress goes pretty far to mark itself as a blogging CMS, nothing else. The human element fails?<br>Needless to mention, the person is pulling his hair now, because they need completely different functionality than Wordpress includes or easily allows for. But it is a bit too late, because a month was spent to set up the Wordpress site...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with you .
I do n't think the craze will stop ever though .
Part of the whole culture survives on the money , and money math unfortunately favors less work for more pay , i.e .
using ( leaky ) abstractions that cut costs to get paid , even if the framework goes under later , it 's not anybody 's concern ( except the client of course ) , because legally , the job was done .
If you stretch this logic , you can see it is the same reason nobody codes in assembly for commercial production anymore - people always look for better tools .
Sometimes though they find tools originally either made for something else ( Flash ) or the tools are so specialized , that even though they appear to fit perfectly for a particular kind of task , once the constraints or goals of this task change , it 's a dead end for the tool user.I have a contact that tries to make a generic website , using Wordpress for some reason .
I have asked why Wordpress , a blogging CMS , but the person can not give a good answer .
They had used it before for blogs , came to like its ease of use , and came to think it should also fit fine for anything else than blogs , despite the fact that Wordpress goes pretty far to mark itself as a blogging CMS , nothing else .
The human element fails ? Needless to mention , the person is pulling his hair now , because they need completely different functionality than Wordpress includes or easily allows for .
But it is a bit too late , because a month was spent to set up the Wordpress site.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with you.
I don't think the craze will stop ever though.
Part of the whole culture survives on the money, and money math unfortunately favors less work for more pay, i.e.
using (leaky) abstractions that cut costs to get paid, even if the framework goes under later, it's not anybody's concern (except the client of course), because legally, the job was done.
If you stretch this logic, you can see it is the same reason nobody codes in assembly for commercial production anymore - people always look for better tools.
Sometimes though they find tools originally either made for something else (Flash) or the tools are so specialized, that even though they appear to fit perfectly for a particular kind of task, once the constraints or goals of this task change, it's a dead end for the tool user.I have a contact that tries to make a generic website, using Wordpress for some reason.
I have asked why Wordpress, a blogging CMS, but the person cannot give a good answer.
They had used it before for blogs, came to like its ease of use, and came to think it should also fit fine for anything else than blogs, despite the fact that Wordpress goes pretty far to mark itself as a blogging CMS, nothing else.
The human element fails?Needless to mention, the person is pulling his hair now, because they need completely different functionality than Wordpress includes or easily allows for.
But it is a bit too late, because a month was spent to set up the Wordpress site...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446968</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>OzRoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268313420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what is so annoying about all these new frameworks.</p><p>From a business point of view I will not develop with anything other than the most popular frameworks because if I need to hire a contractor, or even a new employee, it is more cost effective to use a popular framework that I don't have to train them in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what is so annoying about all these new frameworks.From a business point of view I will not develop with anything other than the most popular frameworks because if I need to hire a contractor , or even a new employee , it is more cost effective to use a popular framework that I do n't have to train them in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what is so annoying about all these new frameworks.From a business point of view I will not develop with anything other than the most popular frameworks because if I need to hire a contractor, or even a new employee, it is more cost effective to use a popular framework that I don't have to train them in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447352</id>
	<title>Re:Rails 3.1 Comparison</title>
	<author>thasmudyan</author>
	<datestamp>1268315880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may have a valid point, but I can't get over the trollish way you souped up those code examples to prove your point. You made the PHP example over-commented, bulky and redundant on purpose. A more accurate counterpart would more likely look like this:<br><tt><br>public function actionIndex()<br>{<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; $this-&gt;list = $this-&gt;\_model-&gt;blogs-&gt;fetchAll(array(<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 'where' =&gt; array('blogs.status = ?' =&gt; 'public'),<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 'order' =&gt; 'blogs.created DESC'<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; ));<br>}<br></tt><br>Without knowing the actual library used for the PHP example, there might be saner and less ugly variants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may have a valid point , but I ca n't get over the trollish way you souped up those code examples to prove your point .
You made the PHP example over-commented , bulky and redundant on purpose .
A more accurate counterpart would more likely look like this : public function actionIndex ( ) {     $ this- &gt; list = $ this- &gt; \ _model- &gt; blogs- &gt; fetchAll ( array (         'where ' = &gt; array ( 'blogs.status = ?
' = &gt; 'public ' ) ,         'order ' = &gt; 'blogs.created DESC '     ) ) ; } Without knowing the actual library used for the PHP example , there might be saner and less ugly variants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may have a valid point, but I can't get over the trollish way you souped up those code examples to prove your point.
You made the PHP example over-commented, bulky and redundant on purpose.
A more accurate counterpart would more likely look like this:public function actionIndex(){
    $this-&gt;list = $this-&gt;\_model-&gt;blogs-&gt;fetchAll(array(
        'where' =&gt; array('blogs.status = ?
' =&gt; 'public'),
        'order' =&gt; 'blogs.created DESC'
    ));}Without knowing the actual library used for the PHP example, there might be saner and less ugly variants.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31451298</id>
	<title>Re:Performance?</title>
	<author>edrobinson</author>
	<datestamp>1268407680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Home page loads in  2 seconds in my environment.

Maybe it's that dialup modem under your desk - LOL</htmltext>
<tokenext>Home page loads in 2 seconds in my environment .
Maybe it 's that dialup modem under your desk - LOL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Home page loads in  2 seconds in my environment.
Maybe it's that dialup modem under your desk - LOL</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445814</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448462</id>
	<title>Clarification</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pauls blog is indeed running Wordpress, but that's all it is - a personal blog. The framework site itself runs on Solar.</p><p>This "performance debate" that people keep mentioning started back in 2006 when Paul benchmarked a select few frameworks (http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=236). Now even the creator of Symfony uses this method to compare performance. And Solar is still faster.</p><p>It's not a new framework on the block. It has been in development for years and can behave as a full-stack framework, a collection of libraries, or something in the middle. Even Zend has borrowed ideas from Solar (http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=1113).</p><p>I like to think of it as a framework for people who already know PHP. Having worked with CakePHP, CodeIgniter and a few others, there are far too many people in those communities who think that by using a framework they don't need to learn how to program. I'm pretty confident these people won't understand Solar. Hooray!</p><p>Things to love about Solar: http://www.solarphp.com/trac/core/browser/trunk/info/description</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pauls blog is indeed running Wordpress , but that 's all it is - a personal blog .
The framework site itself runs on Solar.This " performance debate " that people keep mentioning started back in 2006 when Paul benchmarked a select few frameworks ( http : //paul-m-jones.com/ ? p = 236 ) .
Now even the creator of Symfony uses this method to compare performance .
And Solar is still faster.It 's not a new framework on the block .
It has been in development for years and can behave as a full-stack framework , a collection of libraries , or something in the middle .
Even Zend has borrowed ideas from Solar ( http : //paul-m-jones.com/ ? p = 1113 ) .I like to think of it as a framework for people who already know PHP .
Having worked with CakePHP , CodeIgniter and a few others , there are far too many people in those communities who think that by using a framework they do n't need to learn how to program .
I 'm pretty confident these people wo n't understand Solar .
Hooray ! Things to love about Solar : http : //www.solarphp.com/trac/core/browser/trunk/info/description</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pauls blog is indeed running Wordpress, but that's all it is - a personal blog.
The framework site itself runs on Solar.This "performance debate" that people keep mentioning started back in 2006 when Paul benchmarked a select few frameworks (http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=236).
Now even the creator of Symfony uses this method to compare performance.
And Solar is still faster.It's not a new framework on the block.
It has been in development for years and can behave as a full-stack framework, a collection of libraries, or something in the middle.
Even Zend has borrowed ideas from Solar (http://paul-m-jones.com/?p=1113).I like to think of it as a framework for people who already know PHP.
Having worked with CakePHP, CodeIgniter and a few others, there are far too many people in those communities who think that by using a framework they don't need to learn how to program.
I'm pretty confident these people won't understand Solar.
Hooray!Things to love about Solar: http://www.solarphp.com/trac/core/browser/trunk/info/description</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31449016</id>
	<title>Re:Rails 3.1 Comparison</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1268336220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I pulled the sample straight from the documentation for the project in the OP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I pulled the sample straight from the documentation for the project in the OP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I pulled the sample straight from the documentation for the project in the OP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445778</id>
	<title>At the end of the day...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it's still PHP.</p><p>Lipstick on a pig and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... it 's still PHP.Lipstick on a pig and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it's still PHP.Lipstick on a pig and all that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446040</id>
	<title>Re:blog</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268308800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Molasses?  What are you? A fucking nigger?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Molasses ?
What are you ?
A fucking nigger ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Molasses?
What are you?
A fucking nigger?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446438</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1268310600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not just PHP, the entire OSS world is like this..</p><p>Everyone wants their own wheel as no one likes painting a wheel that belongs to someone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not just PHP , the entire OSS world is like this..Everyone wants their own wheel as no one likes painting a wheel that belongs to someone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not just PHP, the entire OSS world is like this..Everyone wants their own wheel as no one likes painting a wheel that belongs to someone else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448164</id>
	<title>forget all this what about HIPHOP compiled PHP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268322720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another framework. Big whoop. I'm more interested in things like HIPHOP that allow you to compile PHP to code for fast performance.</p><p>http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?story=358&amp;blog=1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another framework .
Big whoop .
I 'm more interested in things like HIPHOP that allow you to compile PHP to code for fast performance.http : //developers.facebook.com/news.php ? story = 358&amp;blog = 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another framework.
Big whoop.
I'm more interested in things like HIPHOP that allow you to compile PHP to code for fast performance.http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?story=358&amp;blog=1</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445564</id>
	<title>Re:blog</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1268306820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is being Slashdotted right now, so it's not known whether the limitation is the framework speed, the server it's on, available bandwidth, database performance, or something else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is being Slashdotted right now , so it 's not known whether the limitation is the framework speed , the server it 's on , available bandwidth , database performance , or something else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is being Slashdotted right now, so it's not known whether the limitation is the framework speed, the server it's on, available bandwidth, database performance, or something else.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31452606</id>
	<title>Re:Zend Framework For You, then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268414040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I really want to see is a tutorial on getting started with Zend using it as a library instead of a framework.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I really want to see is a tutorial on getting started with Zend using it as a library instead of a framework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I really want to see is a tutorial on getting started with Zend using it as a library instead of a framework.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447174</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445642</id>
	<title>google "cache:..."</title>
	<author>MessyBlob</author>
	<datestamp>1268307180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>cache:http://paul-m-jones.com/?cat=27 into Google search (the original link). With any luck, the old content being referred-to might be there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>cache : http : //paul-m-jones.com/ ? cat = 27 into Google search ( the original link ) .
With any luck , the old content being referred-to might be there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cache:http://paul-m-jones.com/?cat=27 into Google search (the original link).
With any luck, the old content being referred-to might be there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</id>
	<title>No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268311320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are by definition antisocial, expect everything to revolve around them and don&rsquo;t want you to use just pieces of them.</p><p>Give us just a nice set of libraries. That&rsquo;s it.<br>Let us choose what parts to use, what parts to get from other libraries, and what not to use at all.</p><p>Frameworks are like having to buy a bundle offer at the supermarket, when all you need is one part of it, and then at home also noticing that the parts are not playing nice with everything else.</p><p>But I hope the craze will be over soon, just like the Flash intro craze, the Java Applet craze, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are by definition antisocial , expect everything to revolve around them and don    t want you to use just pieces of them.Give us just a nice set of libraries .
That    s it.Let us choose what parts to use , what parts to get from other libraries , and what not to use at all.Frameworks are like having to buy a bundle offer at the supermarket , when all you need is one part of it , and then at home also noticing that the parts are not playing nice with everything else.But I hope the craze will be over soon , just like the Flash intro craze , the Java Applet craze , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are by definition antisocial, expect everything to revolve around them and don’t want you to use just pieces of them.Give us just a nice set of libraries.
That’s it.Let us choose what parts to use, what parts to get from other libraries, and what not to use at all.Frameworks are like having to buy a bundle offer at the supermarket, when all you need is one part of it, and then at home also noticing that the parts are not playing nice with everything else.But I hope the craze will be over soon, just like the Flash intro craze, the Java Applet craze, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31449606</id>
	<title>Serious spagetti</title>
	<author>Aethedor</author>
	<datestamp>1268389560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A simple 'grep' told me that this framework has 820 PHP files. I know the Solar site holds lots of documentation, but to know and understand a framework, I want to see what the code looks like. Just to get an idea of its quality and security. With 820 files, there is no way I'm every even going to give it a try.

In my opinion, it should take less time to understand a framework than it takes time to build your own simple framework. This framework, with its many files and 'complex' structure and object extending, definitly failed on that one. Another one for my ignore list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A simple 'grep ' told me that this framework has 820 PHP files .
I know the Solar site holds lots of documentation , but to know and understand a framework , I want to see what the code looks like .
Just to get an idea of its quality and security .
With 820 files , there is no way I 'm every even going to give it a try .
In my opinion , it should take less time to understand a framework than it takes time to build your own simple framework .
This framework , with its many files and 'complex ' structure and object extending , definitly failed on that one .
Another one for my ignore list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A simple 'grep' told me that this framework has 820 PHP files.
I know the Solar site holds lots of documentation, but to know and understand a framework, I want to see what the code looks like.
Just to get an idea of its quality and security.
With 820 files, there is no way I'm every even going to give it a try.
In my opinion, it should take less time to understand a framework than it takes time to build your own simple framework.
This framework, with its many files and 'complex' structure and object extending, definitly failed on that one.
Another one for my ignore list.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446868</id>
	<title>Re:Performance?</title>
	<author>Fnkmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1268312940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that it uses Wordpress rather than PHPSolar or whatever it's called.  Thus having no bearing whatsoever on the discussion.</p><p>Epic fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that it uses Wordpress rather than PHPSolar or whatever it 's called .
Thus having no bearing whatsoever on the discussion.Epic fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that it uses Wordpress rather than PHPSolar or whatever it's called.
Thus having no bearing whatsoever on the discussion.Epic fail.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445814</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446234</id>
	<title>Re:blog</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268309580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's running Wordpress. At least he could have of installed something other than a version of the hideous default theme that it comes with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's running Wordpress .
At least he could have of installed something other than a version of the hideous default theme that it comes with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's running Wordpress.
At least he could have of installed something other than a version of the hideous default theme that it comes with.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31456790</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1268389440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't use them then. PHP is nice and easy. You don't need frameworks and you can easily write your own. In my spare time I'm slowly building a PHP based CMS and it is very slowly because working on CMS systems as a day job means I find it hard to code them in my free time unfortunately. It will do what I want and hopefully be useful to others as I'll most certainly give it away and do something again to contribute to open source. It may fail and everyone will think it's shit but it will run my sites and I'll use it for others where I feel necessary so it will be as successful as I hoped. Anything over that is a bonus. Just helping one person get into programming is quite satisfying as it is especially if you help them do it properly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't use them then .
PHP is nice and easy .
You do n't need frameworks and you can easily write your own .
In my spare time I 'm slowly building a PHP based CMS and it is very slowly because working on CMS systems as a day job means I find it hard to code them in my free time unfortunately .
It will do what I want and hopefully be useful to others as I 'll most certainly give it away and do something again to contribute to open source .
It may fail and everyone will think it 's shit but it will run my sites and I 'll use it for others where I feel necessary so it will be as successful as I hoped .
Anything over that is a bonus .
Just helping one person get into programming is quite satisfying as it is especially if you help them do it properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't use them then.
PHP is nice and easy.
You don't need frameworks and you can easily write your own.
In my spare time I'm slowly building a PHP based CMS and it is very slowly because working on CMS systems as a day job means I find it hard to code them in my free time unfortunately.
It will do what I want and hopefully be useful to others as I'll most certainly give it away and do something again to contribute to open source.
It may fail and everyone will think it's shit but it will run my sites and I'll use it for others where I feel necessary so it will be as successful as I hoped.
Anything over that is a bonus.
Just helping one person get into programming is quite satisfying as it is especially if you help them do it properly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447248</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268315280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FYI Zend Framework \_is\_ a library. You can selectively use different elements as needed in plain old PHP scripts or with other frameworks. I've used it as a library for both CakePHP and CodeIgniter apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FYI Zend Framework \ _is \ _ a library .
You can selectively use different elements as needed in plain old PHP scripts or with other frameworks .
I 've used it as a library for both CakePHP and CodeIgniter apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FYI Zend Framework \_is\_ a library.
You can selectively use different elements as needed in plain old PHP scripts or with other frameworks.
I've used it as a library for both CakePHP and CodeIgniter apps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31449794</id>
	<title>Yes, it is</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1268392380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "problem" is what do you do if you do not have your own library of functions written? Or the company doesn't?
</p><p>Then you can use a framework to get the basics down. Like for instance database abstration. What you say? That is already part of PHP...
</p><p>Actually, I get your point entirely. It is the same with smarty... why on earth should you use a template language, in a template language?
</p><p>I think all of this is partly because people expect it.
</p><p>PHP is a scripting language, closer to perl then C or Java and people are not really used to such languages. They have always been considered to be to primitive.
</p><p>And so the "proper" developers have always had a thing against PHP that allowed just anybody to start producing code and working web sites. You can see in a lot of frameworks the attempt to force PHP to become another language.
</p><p>Do you need a framework? No, unless you come from a background where just raw coding is not how you do things. There is a difference between scripting and "programming". Please don't hang me up on those terms, but you probably get my meaning if I say the average Java developer would choke on Perl and the average Perl developer considers Java to be hopelessly over engineered.
</p><p>One of my favorite discussions was with a Java developer about PHP's lack of proper garbage collection... he spend several hours trying to explain how important garbage collection is, in a script that runs for a few miliseconds and then is cleared completly from memory. It is like claiming that you absolutely need a parachute, on a kamikaze plane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " problem " is what do you do if you do not have your own library of functions written ?
Or the company does n't ?
Then you can use a framework to get the basics down .
Like for instance database abstration .
What you say ?
That is already part of PHP.. . Actually , I get your point entirely .
It is the same with smarty... why on earth should you use a template language , in a template language ?
I think all of this is partly because people expect it .
PHP is a scripting language , closer to perl then C or Java and people are not really used to such languages .
They have always been considered to be to primitive .
And so the " proper " developers have always had a thing against PHP that allowed just anybody to start producing code and working web sites .
You can see in a lot of frameworks the attempt to force PHP to become another language .
Do you need a framework ?
No , unless you come from a background where just raw coding is not how you do things .
There is a difference between scripting and " programming " .
Please do n't hang me up on those terms , but you probably get my meaning if I say the average Java developer would choke on Perl and the average Perl developer considers Java to be hopelessly over engineered .
One of my favorite discussions was with a Java developer about PHP 's lack of proper garbage collection... he spend several hours trying to explain how important garbage collection is , in a script that runs for a few miliseconds and then is cleared completly from memory .
It is like claiming that you absolutely need a parachute , on a kamikaze plane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "problem" is what do you do if you do not have your own library of functions written?
Or the company doesn't?
Then you can use a framework to get the basics down.
Like for instance database abstration.
What you say?
That is already part of PHP...
Actually, I get your point entirely.
It is the same with smarty... why on earth should you use a template language, in a template language?
I think all of this is partly because people expect it.
PHP is a scripting language, closer to perl then C or Java and people are not really used to such languages.
They have always been considered to be to primitive.
And so the "proper" developers have always had a thing against PHP that allowed just anybody to start producing code and working web sites.
You can see in a lot of frameworks the attempt to force PHP to become another language.
Do you need a framework?
No, unless you come from a background where just raw coding is not how you do things.
There is a difference between scripting and "programming".
Please don't hang me up on those terms, but you probably get my meaning if I say the average Java developer would choke on Perl and the average Perl developer considers Java to be hopelessly over engineered.
One of my favorite discussions was with a Java developer about PHP's lack of proper garbage collection... he spend several hours trying to explain how important garbage collection is, in a script that runs for a few miliseconds and then is cleared completly from memory.
It is like claiming that you absolutely need a parachute, on a kamikaze plane.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448160</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446346</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1268310240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, you mean a PHP cartel.<br>Sure, that usually turns out fine.</p><p>Also, if you happen to be involved in any open source projects, could you please stop diluting the workforce and just go work for somebody established?  You're hurting the big guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , you mean a PHP cartel.Sure , that usually turns out fine.Also , if you happen to be involved in any open source projects , could you please stop diluting the workforce and just go work for somebody established ?
You 're hurting the big guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, you mean a PHP cartel.Sure, that usually turns out fine.Also, if you happen to be involved in any open source projects, could you please stop diluting the workforce and just go work for somebody established?
You're hurting the big guys.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445460</id>
	<title>Symfony</title>
	<author>royallthefourth</author>
	<datestamp>1268306460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called Symfony, FYI</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called Symfony , FYI</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called Symfony, FYI</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447126</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268314500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am in complete agreement with you.</p><p>I write all of my code. I re-use a lot of code I write in virtually every project I've ever worked on.</p><p>Sometimes I only need one very simple part of that code (eg: session management). I should (and I do) only need to include one file. That's it. One file.</p><p>I am disgusted with PEAR. Zend does not appeal to me and at a first glance this SolarPHP looks horrible. Just peeking at the index.php file it does not look nice. And they don't appear to close half of their<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.php files with '?&gt;'. Why is that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am in complete agreement with you.I write all of my code .
I re-use a lot of code I write in virtually every project I 've ever worked on.Sometimes I only need one very simple part of that code ( eg : session management ) .
I should ( and I do ) only need to include one file .
That 's it .
One file.I am disgusted with PEAR .
Zend does not appeal to me and at a first glance this SolarPHP looks horrible .
Just peeking at the index.php file it does not look nice .
And they do n't appear to close half of their .php files with ' ? &gt; ' .
Why is that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am in complete agreement with you.I write all of my code.
I re-use a lot of code I write in virtually every project I've ever worked on.Sometimes I only need one very simple part of that code (eg: session management).
I should (and I do) only need to include one file.
That's it.
One file.I am disgusted with PEAR.
Zend does not appeal to me and at a first glance this SolarPHP looks horrible.
Just peeking at the index.php file it does not look nice.
And they don't appear to close half of their .php files with '?&gt;'.
Why is that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445528</id>
	<title>blog</title>
	<author>killmenow</author>
	<datestamp>1268306700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>if his blog is running on this framework it's as slow as molasses</htmltext>
<tokenext>if his blog is running on this framework it 's as slow as molasses</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if his blog is running on this framework it's as slow as molasses</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445650</id>
	<title>Improving PHP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the community wants to improve PHP they could start with making the function, class and method names  case sensitive. For some unknown reason the powers behind PHP have chosen not fix this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the community wants to improve PHP they could start with making the function , class and method names case sensitive .
For some unknown reason the powers behind PHP have chosen not fix this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the community wants to improve PHP they could start with making the function, class and method names  case sensitive.
For some unknown reason the powers behind PHP have chosen not fix this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448996</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I am philosophically opposed to Ruby as a programming language, I ultimately decided to do all of my web development with Rails because the Ruby community (unlike the PHP community) puts all their development efforts behind a single, standardized framework that can have lots of books, tutorials, and examples written about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I am philosophically opposed to Ruby as a programming language , I ultimately decided to do all of my web development with Rails because the Ruby community ( unlike the PHP community ) puts all their development efforts behind a single , standardized framework that can have lots of books , tutorials , and examples written about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I am philosophically opposed to Ruby as a programming language, I ultimately decided to do all of my web development with Rails because the Ruby community (unlike the PHP community) puts all their development efforts behind a single, standardized framework that can have lots of books, tutorials, and examples written about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31448422</id>
	<title>How does it compare to CodeIgniter?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone who's used both have an opinion of how it compares to CodeIgniter?   I've done one project in CI and I've been pretty happy with it, thinking of using it to do some larger projects soon.     It forces you to have neat, short code.  Disadvantage is it's spread out a little more between files, but with an application like TextPad I can move back and forth between those files pretty easily.</p><p>Looking at Solar, it does look like it has a crapload of classes that do useful things without having to reinvent the wheel.   CI looks relatively smaller in comparison.</p><p>The thing I like about CI is you just load the libraries or classes that you need for that particular app, so it remains very lightweight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who 's used both have an opinion of how it compares to CodeIgniter ?
I 've done one project in CI and I 've been pretty happy with it , thinking of using it to do some larger projects soon .
It forces you to have neat , short code .
Disadvantage is it 's spread out a little more between files , but with an application like TextPad I can move back and forth between those files pretty easily.Looking at Solar , it does look like it has a crapload of classes that do useful things without having to reinvent the wheel .
CI looks relatively smaller in comparison.The thing I like about CI is you just load the libraries or classes that you need for that particular app , so it remains very lightweight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who's used both have an opinion of how it compares to CodeIgniter?
I've done one project in CI and I've been pretty happy with it, thinking of using it to do some larger projects soon.
It forces you to have neat, short code.
Disadvantage is it's spread out a little more between files, but with an application like TextPad I can move back and forth between those files pretty easily.Looking at Solar, it does look like it has a crapload of classes that do useful things without having to reinvent the wheel.
CI looks relatively smaller in comparison.The thing I like about CI is you just load the libraries or classes that you need for that particular app, so it remains very lightweight.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446866</id>
	<title>Re:Rails 3.1 Comparison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268312940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So instead of a web framework in PHP, you're suggesting they use... a web framework in Ruby.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So instead of a web framework in PHP , you 're suggesting they use... a web framework in Ruby .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of a web framework in PHP, you're suggesting they use... a web framework in Ruby.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447174</id>
	<title>Zend Framework For You, then</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1268314740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Give us just a nice set of libraries. That's it.</i></p><p>Pretty much Zend Framework in a Nutshell. Totally misnamed -- there is no Framework. It's a set of disparate libraries organized into a sort of class hierarchy that happens to have amongst it a Controller class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give us just a nice set of libraries .
That 's it.Pretty much Zend Framework in a Nutshell .
Totally misnamed -- there is no Framework .
It 's a set of disparate libraries organized into a sort of class hierarchy that happens to have amongst it a Controller class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give us just a nice set of libraries.
That's it.Pretty much Zend Framework in a Nutshell.
Totally misnamed -- there is no Framework.
It's a set of disparate libraries organized into a sort of class hierarchy that happens to have amongst it a Controller class.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31445814</id>
	<title>Performance?</title>
	<author>palmerj3</author>
	<datestamp>1268307960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the 18 second load time the homepage is experiencing now should help discredit the benchmark results</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the 18 second load time the homepage is experiencing now should help discredit the benchmark results</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the 18 second load time the homepage is experiencing now should help discredit the benchmark results</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446368</id>
	<title>Rails 3.1 Comparison</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1268310300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason nobody cares about your web framework is that they'd rather type:<br><tt><br>def index<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; @posts = Post.where(:status =&gt; 'public').order('created DESC')<br>end<br></tt></p><p>instead of:</p><p><tt><br>&lt;?php<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; public function actionIndex()<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; {<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// public blog articles in descending order, all result pages<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $fetch = array(<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 'where' =&gt; array('blogs.status = ?' =&gt; 'public'),<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 'order' =&gt; 'blogs.created DESC',<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 'page'  =&gt; 'all',<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; );<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// fetch all matching records<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $this-&gt;list = $this-&gt;\_model-&gt;blogs-&gt;fetchAll($fetch);<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; }<br>?&gt;<br></tt></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason nobody cares about your web framework is that they 'd rather type : def index     @ posts = Post.where ( : status = &gt; 'public ' ) .order ( 'created DESC ' ) endinstead of :         public function actionIndex ( )         { // public blog articles in descending order , all result pages                 $ fetch = array (                         'where ' = &gt; array ( 'blogs.status = ?
' = &gt; 'public ' ) ,                         'order ' = &gt; 'blogs.created DESC ' ,                         'page ' = &gt; 'all ' ,                 ) ; // fetch all matching records                 $ this- &gt; list = $ this- &gt; \ _model- &gt; blogs- &gt; fetchAll ( $ fetch ) ;         } ? &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason nobody cares about your web framework is that they'd rather type:def index
    @posts = Post.where(:status =&gt; 'public').order('created DESC')endinstead of:
        public function actionIndex()
        { // public blog articles in descending order, all result pages
                $fetch = array(
                        'where' =&gt; array('blogs.status = ?
' =&gt; 'public'),
                        'order' =&gt; 'blogs.created DESC',
                        'page'  =&gt; 'all',
                ); // fetch all matching records
                $this-&gt;list = $this-&gt;\_model-&gt;blogs-&gt;fetchAll($fetch);
        }?&gt;</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31447290</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268315520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.</p><p>This is the nature of open source. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and everyone else's stinks. What is the 'best we can' ? Does the we in that sentence include me because it doesn't look like we'd agree?</p><p>And this is where open source keeps tripping over it's own toes. You can't please everyone all the time. And the natural response from the majority?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... fork-off. So we end up with 670 different Linux distributions, 150 AJAX libraries, 50 mature PHP frameworks, multiple mature mysql distros. And everything has it's own foibles, problems, syntax, configuration settings<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... gah!</p><p>PHP has a beautiful API! If this isn't enough of a framework for you, enhance it. Anything not targeted at the base API isn't worth considering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No.This is the nature of open source .
Opinions are like arseholes , everyone has one and everyone else 's stinks .
What is the 'best we can ' ?
Does the we in that sentence include me because it does n't look like we 'd agree ? And this is where open source keeps tripping over it 's own toes .
You ca n't please everyone all the time .
And the natural response from the majority ?
... fork-off .
So we end up with 670 different Linux distributions , 150 AJAX libraries , 50 mature PHP frameworks , multiple mature mysql distros .
And everything has it 's own foibles , problems , syntax , configuration settings ... gah ! PHP has a beautiful API !
If this is n't enough of a framework for you , enhance it .
Anything not targeted at the base API is n't worth considering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.This is the nature of open source.
Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and everyone else's stinks.
What is the 'best we can' ?
Does the we in that sentence include me because it doesn't look like we'd agree?And this is where open source keeps tripping over it's own toes.
You can't please everyone all the time.
And the natural response from the majority?
... fork-off.
So we end up with 670 different Linux distributions, 150 AJAX libraries, 50 mature PHP frameworks, multiple mature mysql distros.
And everything has it's own foibles, problems, syntax, configuration settings ... gah!PHP has a beautiful API!
If this isn't enough of a framework for you, enhance it.
Anything not targeted at the base API isn't worth considering.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31446266</id>
	<title>Phpulse is still faster</title>
	<author>Foofoobar</author>
	<datestamp>1268309760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Phpulses benchmarks still put it at 5 times faster than Solar without any caching.<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.phpulse.com/benchmarks/?area=86" title="phpulse.com">http://www.phpulse.com/benchmarks/?area=86</a> [phpulse.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Phpulses benchmarks still put it at 5 times faster than Solar without any caching .
http : //www.phpulse.com/benchmarks/ ? area = 86 [ phpulse.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phpulses benchmarks still put it at 5 times faster than Solar without any caching.
http://www.phpulse.com/benchmarks/?area=86 [phpulse.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2147212.31451816</id>
	<title>Re:No more frameworks please!</title>
	<author>CopaceticOpus</author>
	<datestamp>1268410260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have discounted the Zend Framework, but perhaps you should give it another look. It does exactly what you describe. If you want session management, you only need to include one or two files. You can ignore the rest of ZF and just take what you need! The code is generally clean and well documented.</p><p>Zend Sessions: <a href="http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.session.basic\_usage.html" title="zend.com">http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.session.basic\_usage.html</a> [zend.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have discounted the Zend Framework , but perhaps you should give it another look .
It does exactly what you describe .
If you want session management , you only need to include one or two files .
You can ignore the rest of ZF and just take what you need !
The code is generally clean and well documented.Zend Sessions : http : //framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.session.basic \ _usage.html [ zend.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have discounted the Zend Framework, but perhaps you should give it another look.
It does exactly what you describe.
If you want session management, you only need to include one or two files.
You can ignore the rest of ZF and just take what you need!
The code is generally clean and well documented.Zend Sessions: http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.session.basic\_usage.html [zend.com]</sentencetext>
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