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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_11_213223</id>
	<title>Best Smartphone Plan Covering US and Canada?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268301240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>j00bhaka writes <i>"I am a US citizen attending university in Nova Scotia, Canada.  I currently have the Verizon America and Canada plan (also known as the North American plan).  My bill is currently around $80-$100 per month.  I chose this for a couple reasons.  One, I have had my number for about 7 years.  Two, I do not permanently live in Canada.  I live in Canada for 8 months out of the year at school, then travel home for the summer months.  Either way, I would be dealing with international roaming without having both countries in my plan. Currently, I obviously don't have a smartphone.  Through Verizon, I could purchase one, and add their international unlimited data plan on top of my (already) hefty phone bill.  I have looked into Telus and Rogers here in Canada and cannot find anything better.  As a student, my budget is obviously limited. Is there any way to reasonably have (and utilize) a smartphone while I am living in both countries?  If so, what do you suggest I do?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>j00bhaka writes " I am a US citizen attending university in Nova Scotia , Canada .
I currently have the Verizon America and Canada plan ( also known as the North American plan ) .
My bill is currently around $ 80- $ 100 per month .
I chose this for a couple reasons .
One , I have had my number for about 7 years .
Two , I do not permanently live in Canada .
I live in Canada for 8 months out of the year at school , then travel home for the summer months .
Either way , I would be dealing with international roaming without having both countries in my plan .
Currently , I obviously do n't have a smartphone .
Through Verizon , I could purchase one , and add their international unlimited data plan on top of my ( already ) hefty phone bill .
I have looked into Telus and Rogers here in Canada and can not find anything better .
As a student , my budget is obviously limited .
Is there any way to reasonably have ( and utilize ) a smartphone while I am living in both countries ?
If so , what do you suggest I do ?
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<sentencetext>j00bhaka writes "I am a US citizen attending university in Nova Scotia, Canada.
I currently have the Verizon America and Canada plan (also known as the North American plan).
My bill is currently around $80-$100 per month.
I chose this for a couple reasons.
One, I have had my number for about 7 years.
Two, I do not permanently live in Canada.
I live in Canada for 8 months out of the year at school, then travel home for the summer months.
Either way, I would be dealing with international roaming without having both countries in my plan.
Currently, I obviously don't have a smartphone.
Through Verizon, I could purchase one, and add their international unlimited data plan on top of my (already) hefty phone bill.
I have looked into Telus and Rogers here in Canada and cannot find anything better.
As a student, my budget is obviously limited.
Is there any way to reasonably have (and utilize) a smartphone while I am living in both countries?
If so, what do you suggest I do?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31447480</id>
	<title>Re:Call Them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268316840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, that's not how it works.</p><p>The CDMA carrier in Canada is Telus and the GSM carrier is Rogers.</p><p>This is much akin to Verizon and ATT in the US.</p><p>This means that whenever an ATT phone shows up in Canada, Rogers sends them a healthy bill for the usage (ATT charges me about $0.90 per minute, so I'd guess Rogers charges them half of that).  I think Telus rates are similar.</p><p>There's no coverage problem, it's a cost problem...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , that 's not how it works.The CDMA carrier in Canada is Telus and the GSM carrier is Rogers.This is much akin to Verizon and ATT in the US.This means that whenever an ATT phone shows up in Canada , Rogers sends them a healthy bill for the usage ( ATT charges me about $ 0.90 per minute , so I 'd guess Rogers charges them half of that ) .
I think Telus rates are similar.There 's no coverage problem , it 's a cost problem.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, that's not how it works.The CDMA carrier in Canada is Telus and the GSM carrier is Rogers.This is much akin to Verizon and ATT in the US.This means that whenever an ATT phone shows up in Canada, Rogers sends them a healthy bill for the usage (ATT charges me about $0.90 per minute, so I'd guess Rogers charges them half of that).
I think Telus rates are similar.There's no coverage problem, it's a cost problem...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446238</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268309580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who used Vonage as a primary phone for over four years (over five Internet companies in three states), I disagree.  I found it about as clear as the cell phones I had used for years prior, and their business model less objectionable than the land line company that wanted $100 for setup plus my SSN or $200 in additional escrow.  And $18 a month including taxes and 400 minutes of calling beats $45 with no long distance included.</p><p>You do have to have a decent router, though, and the ones they provide are... well... crap.  Once I put mine behind a half-decent router, it worked very well.</p><p>I will agree, however, that your Internet connection had better have low latency, or it's goi..i.i.ng-g-g to s..oun..d b..ad.  Various firmware upgrades to the Vonage router really helped with this, though.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who used Vonage as a primary phone for over four years ( over five Internet companies in three states ) , I disagree .
I found it about as clear as the cell phones I had used for years prior , and their business model less objectionable than the land line company that wanted $ 100 for setup plus my SSN or $ 200 in additional escrow .
And $ 18 a month including taxes and 400 minutes of calling beats $ 45 with no long distance included.You do have to have a decent router , though , and the ones they provide are... well... crap .
Once I put mine behind a half-decent router , it worked very well.I will agree , however , that your Internet connection had better have low latency , or it 's goi..i.i.ng-g-g to s..oun..d b..ad .
Various firmware upgrades to the Vonage router really helped with this , though .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who used Vonage as a primary phone for over four years (over five Internet companies in three states), I disagree.
I found it about as clear as the cell phones I had used for years prior, and their business model less objectionable than the land line company that wanted $100 for setup plus my SSN or $200 in additional escrow.
And $18 a month including taxes and 400 minutes of calling beats $45 with no long distance included.You do have to have a decent router, though, and the ones they provide are... well... crap.
Once I put mine behind a half-decent router, it worked very well.I will agree, however, that your Internet connection had better have low latency, or it's goi..i.i.ng-g-g to s..oun..d b..ad.
Various firmware upgrades to the Vonage router really helped with this, though.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445352</id>
	<title>I'm not sure what you want to achieve:</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1268306040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>International roaming will always be expensive, be it for calls or data.</p><p>1- do you really need it ? I'd expect Wifi to be available most anywhere you are (though not while you're actually on the move), so VOIP, maybe with both a Canadian and a US provider, should be  OK for you most of the time.</p><p>2- for when you DO need voice or data on the move or out of Wifi coverage, it's you choice between a single number w/ expensive international roaming, or 2 numbers, swapping SIMs.</p><p>I don't know what your situation is, but lotsa students have managed to survive without mobile phones, or without $100 monthly bills. Might require a little planning and temperance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>International roaming will always be expensive , be it for calls or data.1- do you really need it ?
I 'd expect Wifi to be available most anywhere you are ( though not while you 're actually on the move ) , so VOIP , maybe with both a Canadian and a US provider , should be OK for you most of the time.2- for when you DO need voice or data on the move or out of Wifi coverage , it 's you choice between a single number w/ expensive international roaming , or 2 numbers , swapping SIMs.I do n't know what your situation is , but lotsa students have managed to survive without mobile phones , or without $ 100 monthly bills .
Might require a little planning and temperance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>International roaming will always be expensive, be it for calls or data.1- do you really need it ?
I'd expect Wifi to be available most anywhere you are (though not while you're actually on the move), so VOIP, maybe with both a Canadian and a US provider, should be  OK for you most of the time.2- for when you DO need voice or data on the move or out of Wifi coverage, it's you choice between a single number w/ expensive international roaming, or 2 numbers, swapping SIMs.I don't know what your situation is, but lotsa students have managed to survive without mobile phones, or without $100 monthly bills.
Might require a little planning and temperance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445142</id>
	<title>Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is best</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get a Google voice number and any smartphone or dumbphone that accepts SIM cards. Then, get a prepaid SIM from Canada and redirect your Google Voice number to that number. When you are in the US, get a US pre-paid SIM and redirect your Google Voice number to that number. <p>

For your internet on the go, you would rely on wifi and your notebook/netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Google voice number and any smartphone or dumbphone that accepts SIM cards .
Then , get a prepaid SIM from Canada and redirect your Google Voice number to that number .
When you are in the US , get a US pre-paid SIM and redirect your Google Voice number to that number .
For your internet on the go , you would rely on wifi and your notebook/netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Google voice number and any smartphone or dumbphone that accepts SIM cards.
Then, get a prepaid SIM from Canada and redirect your Google Voice number to that number.
When you are in the US, get a US pre-paid SIM and redirect your Google Voice number to that number.
For your internet on the go, you would rely on wifi and your notebook/netbook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445188</id>
	<title>Nobody's Home...</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1268305320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the thing... there is no network that can legally operate in both countries. American interests own the American networks, and Canadian networks are owned by Canadian companies. You're going to be on somebody's roaming network when you're in the other country.</p><p>AT&amp;T warns iPhone users that they won't want to take their heavy-data-using phones into Canada, Mexico, or anywhere because they'll be charged high roaming data rates.</p><p>I think Verizon might be your best selection because they've at least won't be charging you by the bit. Still, watch your Canadian usage of a US plan carefully because they'll still have to pay roaming rates even if they're not passing them on to you. Too much roaming network usage on an unlimited plan is usually a TOS reason to worm out of the deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the thing... there is no network that can legally operate in both countries .
American interests own the American networks , and Canadian networks are owned by Canadian companies .
You 're going to be on somebody 's roaming network when you 're in the other country.AT&amp;T warns iPhone users that they wo n't want to take their heavy-data-using phones into Canada , Mexico , or anywhere because they 'll be charged high roaming data rates.I think Verizon might be your best selection because they 've at least wo n't be charging you by the bit .
Still , watch your Canadian usage of a US plan carefully because they 'll still have to pay roaming rates even if they 're not passing them on to you .
Too much roaming network usage on an unlimited plan is usually a TOS reason to worm out of the deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the thing... there is no network that can legally operate in both countries.
American interests own the American networks, and Canadian networks are owned by Canadian companies.
You're going to be on somebody's roaming network when you're in the other country.AT&amp;T warns iPhone users that they won't want to take their heavy-data-using phones into Canada, Mexico, or anywhere because they'll be charged high roaming data rates.I think Verizon might be your best selection because they've at least won't be charging you by the bit.
Still, watch your Canadian usage of a US plan carefully because they'll still have to pay roaming rates even if they're not passing them on to you.
Too much roaming network usage on an unlimited plan is usually a TOS reason to worm out of the deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445600</id>
	<title>There needs to be a mod down for naysayers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the reasons I don't ask questions on Slashdot anymore is that instead of answering the question, a good bit of the responses are why you don't want to do what you're asking. It isn't like he's asking for something unreasonable. Having a smartphone that can check email isn't too much to ask. When I was in college in 1992 I didn't have a phone, just a pager. I was never home. Telling a college student to use vonage or magicjack is ridiculous. Telling him to just get by without one just shows your age. I really hope someone has a good answer, because it's a great question. And I hope mods will quickly mod down these naysayers so we don't have to read this garbage. Answer the question or shut up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the reasons I do n't ask questions on Slashdot anymore is that instead of answering the question , a good bit of the responses are why you do n't want to do what you 're asking .
It is n't like he 's asking for something unreasonable .
Having a smartphone that can check email is n't too much to ask .
When I was in college in 1992 I did n't have a phone , just a pager .
I was never home .
Telling a college student to use vonage or magicjack is ridiculous .
Telling him to just get by without one just shows your age .
I really hope someone has a good answer , because it 's a great question .
And I hope mods will quickly mod down these naysayers so we do n't have to read this garbage .
Answer the question or shut up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons I don't ask questions on Slashdot anymore is that instead of answering the question, a good bit of the responses are why you don't want to do what you're asking.
It isn't like he's asking for something unreasonable.
Having a smartphone that can check email isn't too much to ask.
When I was in college in 1992 I didn't have a phone, just a pager.
I was never home.
Telling a college student to use vonage or magicjack is ridiculous.
Telling him to just get by without one just shows your age.
I really hope someone has a good answer, because it's a great question.
And I hope mods will quickly mod down these naysayers so we don't have to read this garbage.
Answer the question or shut up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31447922</id>
	<title>Corporations are run my ReThuglican Jews</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268320680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>big corporations are still run by human beings</i><br>As anyone who has gone to college in the last 10 years knows, big corporations are run by ReThuglican Jews.</p><p>Telling this kid anything else is just filling his head with lies, you demagogue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>big corporations are still run by human beingsAs anyone who has gone to college in the last 10 years knows , big corporations are run by ReThuglican Jews.Telling this kid anything else is just filling his head with lies , you demagogue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>big corporations are still run by human beingsAs anyone who has gone to college in the last 10 years knows, big corporations are run by ReThuglican Jews.Telling this kid anything else is just filling his head with lies, you demagogue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448636</id>
	<title>Re:Social pariah may become unemployed social pari</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1268328780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I was as "social pariah" as the next guy at my school, and I graduated with 3 years ago with a ~$74,000 job offer. I won't tell you what I'm making now; you'd gawk.
</p><p>
Now, I'm not saying that you should go out of your way to be "a social pariah" or anything, but I don't think that entry-level software-engineering jobs are particularly related to your professional networking efforts inside college itself. I'd recommend seeking internships at tech companies like IBM as a more effective early-career boost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was as " social pariah " as the next guy at my school , and I graduated with 3 years ago with a ~ $ 74,000 job offer .
I wo n't tell you what I 'm making now ; you 'd gawk .
Now , I 'm not saying that you should go out of your way to be " a social pariah " or anything , but I do n't think that entry-level software-engineering jobs are particularly related to your professional networking efforts inside college itself .
I 'd recommend seeking internships at tech companies like IBM as a more effective early-career boost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I was as "social pariah" as the next guy at my school, and I graduated with 3 years ago with a ~$74,000 job offer.
I won't tell you what I'm making now; you'd gawk.
Now, I'm not saying that you should go out of your way to be "a social pariah" or anything, but I don't think that entry-level software-engineering jobs are particularly related to your professional networking efforts inside college itself.
I'd recommend seeking internships at tech companies like IBM as a more effective early-career boost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446152</id>
	<title>Canada Data Coverage</title>
	<author>NovaHorizon</author>
	<datestamp>1268309160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be careful. With the data coverage on Verizon, you can't OTA (dial *228) while in Canada as it's not Verizon towers. This means that if you have an issue with your data connection, and it can't be fixed by manually inputting values into the phone (some things need that *228 to finalize) then you won't have cellular data until the phone re-enters the U.S. to perform that OTA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be careful .
With the data coverage on Verizon , you ca n't OTA ( dial * 228 ) while in Canada as it 's not Verizon towers .
This means that if you have an issue with your data connection , and it ca n't be fixed by manually inputting values into the phone ( some things need that * 228 to finalize ) then you wo n't have cellular data until the phone re-enters the U.S. to perform that OTA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be careful.
With the data coverage on Verizon, you can't OTA (dial *228) while in Canada as it's not Verizon towers.
This means that if you have an issue with your data connection, and it can't be fixed by manually inputting values into the phone (some things need that *228 to finalize) then you won't have cellular data until the phone re-enters the U.S. to perform that OTA.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448338</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1268324820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For what it's worth, I have an HTC Dream (an Android-based smartphone) with Rogers, and a North American Long Distance plan (500 anytime minutes from anywhere in Canada to anywhere in the +1 country code, with the rate at $0.05/min if I go over the 500 minutes). It comes to about $70/month with my bundling discount (I also have Rogers for cable TV and Internet)....</p><p>Rogers does have international roaming plans, and US roaming plans. The problem, however, is that when you're roaming, you're basically at the mercy of whoever's picking up your call. The rates very widely from provider to provider, and because of this, they'll screw you over by charging a high roaming fee per minute to cover the costs if you're being picked up by a carrier with a high price. While you *could* add roaming minutes to your Rogers plan, you'd be looking at $75/month for 240 minutes, as an example. That puts it way out of the price range of most students. ($150/month for your cell phone bill? ish. Even if you just add the package for the 4 months you're in the US and take it off when you're back in Canada, that's still a lot to be paying for cellular coverage). And that's not even approaching the international roaming rates for data, which hover between $5-10/MB depending on your existing plan.</p><p>A better suggestion would be what a lot of other people are suggesting here: get an unlocked GSM phone, and change the SIM card when you're in the US. You can get a cheap pay-as-you-go SIM and use that for the 4 months you're in the states, and then switch it back when you return to Canada. Having an unlocked phone is an extra advantage, too: you wouldn't be stuck with Rogers. As of November 2009, Bell has been quietly switching their network over to GSM as well (they used to use CDMA), meaning that you have a lot of choice in which provider you buy services from here without having to buy a new phone or take a contract. You're also not limited to just Canada/US: my own phone is unlocked, and I have used it last January when I was in Curacao, as well as in France, Germany, and the UK. And forget about data rates when you're travelling: prepaid data is just too expensive right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it 's worth , I have an HTC Dream ( an Android-based smartphone ) with Rogers , and a North American Long Distance plan ( 500 anytime minutes from anywhere in Canada to anywhere in the + 1 country code , with the rate at $ 0.05/min if I go over the 500 minutes ) .
It comes to about $ 70/month with my bundling discount ( I also have Rogers for cable TV and Internet ) ....Rogers does have international roaming plans , and US roaming plans .
The problem , however , is that when you 're roaming , you 're basically at the mercy of whoever 's picking up your call .
The rates very widely from provider to provider , and because of this , they 'll screw you over by charging a high roaming fee per minute to cover the costs if you 're being picked up by a carrier with a high price .
While you * could * add roaming minutes to your Rogers plan , you 'd be looking at $ 75/month for 240 minutes , as an example .
That puts it way out of the price range of most students .
( $ 150/month for your cell phone bill ?
ish. Even if you just add the package for the 4 months you 're in the US and take it off when you 're back in Canada , that 's still a lot to be paying for cellular coverage ) .
And that 's not even approaching the international roaming rates for data , which hover between $ 5-10/MB depending on your existing plan.A better suggestion would be what a lot of other people are suggesting here : get an unlocked GSM phone , and change the SIM card when you 're in the US .
You can get a cheap pay-as-you-go SIM and use that for the 4 months you 're in the states , and then switch it back when you return to Canada .
Having an unlocked phone is an extra advantage , too : you would n't be stuck with Rogers .
As of November 2009 , Bell has been quietly switching their network over to GSM as well ( they used to use CDMA ) , meaning that you have a lot of choice in which provider you buy services from here without having to buy a new phone or take a contract .
You 're also not limited to just Canada/US : my own phone is unlocked , and I have used it last January when I was in Curacao , as well as in France , Germany , and the UK .
And forget about data rates when you 're travelling : prepaid data is just too expensive right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it's worth, I have an HTC Dream (an Android-based smartphone) with Rogers, and a North American Long Distance plan (500 anytime minutes from anywhere in Canada to anywhere in the +1 country code, with the rate at $0.05/min if I go over the 500 minutes).
It comes to about $70/month with my bundling discount (I also have Rogers for cable TV and Internet)....Rogers does have international roaming plans, and US roaming plans.
The problem, however, is that when you're roaming, you're basically at the mercy of whoever's picking up your call.
The rates very widely from provider to provider, and because of this, they'll screw you over by charging a high roaming fee per minute to cover the costs if you're being picked up by a carrier with a high price.
While you *could* add roaming minutes to your Rogers plan, you'd be looking at $75/month for 240 minutes, as an example.
That puts it way out of the price range of most students.
($150/month for your cell phone bill?
ish. Even if you just add the package for the 4 months you're in the US and take it off when you're back in Canada, that's still a lot to be paying for cellular coverage).
And that's not even approaching the international roaming rates for data, which hover between $5-10/MB depending on your existing plan.A better suggestion would be what a lot of other people are suggesting here: get an unlocked GSM phone, and change the SIM card when you're in the US.
You can get a cheap pay-as-you-go SIM and use that for the 4 months you're in the states, and then switch it back when you return to Canada.
Having an unlocked phone is an extra advantage, too: you wouldn't be stuck with Rogers.
As of November 2009, Bell has been quietly switching their network over to GSM as well (they used to use CDMA), meaning that you have a lot of choice in which provider you buy services from here without having to buy a new phone or take a contract.
You're also not limited to just Canada/US: my own phone is unlocked, and I have used it last January when I was in Curacao, as well as in France, Germany, and the UK.
And forget about data rates when you're travelling: prepaid data is just too expensive right now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446434</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>slasher999</author>
	<datestamp>1268310600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't that long ago actually. The whole cell phone thing started to take off in the early 90's, but it was well after that when cell phones were something everyone - especially students - had. I'd say more like 10 years ago, maybe 12.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't that long ago actually .
The whole cell phone thing started to take off in the early 90 's , but it was well after that when cell phones were something everyone - especially students - had .
I 'd say more like 10 years ago , maybe 12 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't that long ago actually.
The whole cell phone thing started to take off in the early 90's, but it was well after that when cell phones were something everyone - especially students - had.
I'd say more like 10 years ago, maybe 12.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445852</id>
	<title>Re:There needs to be a mod down for naysayers</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1268308080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, what he is asking is unreasonable.  Well, unreasonably expensive.</p><p>It seems that having a U.S. phone in Canada is almost the most expensive thing you can do.  It's worth pointing out that the expense has to be worth it.  To him.</p><p>I took a look at the T-Mobile options.  A discounted International plan gets you Canadian minutes at $.04/min.  Not bad, but add that to everything else and it sucks.  A Rogers plan in the U.S. is painfully expensive.</p><p>Dual SIMs, use Google Voice to consolidate your calls, and be prepared to pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , what he is asking is unreasonable .
Well , unreasonably expensive.It seems that having a U.S. phone in Canada is almost the most expensive thing you can do .
It 's worth pointing out that the expense has to be worth it .
To him.I took a look at the T-Mobile options .
A discounted International plan gets you Canadian minutes at $ .04/min .
Not bad , but add that to everything else and it sucks .
A Rogers plan in the U.S. is painfully expensive.Dual SIMs , use Google Voice to consolidate your calls , and be prepared to pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, what he is asking is unreasonable.
Well, unreasonably expensive.It seems that having a U.S. phone in Canada is almost the most expensive thing you can do.
It's worth pointing out that the expense has to be worth it.
To him.I took a look at the T-Mobile options.
A discounted International plan gets you Canadian minutes at $.04/min.
Not bad, but add that to everything else and it sucks.
A Rogers plan in the U.S. is painfully expensive.Dual SIMs, use Google Voice to consolidate your calls, and be prepared to pay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445866</id>
	<title>Get multiple sim cards or....</title>
	<author>dacarr</author>
	<datestamp>1268308140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As logistically goofy as it sounds, one can actually get multiple SIM cards, and just do a seasonal suspension on the account depending on where and how long they will be out of the country. You'll want to go GSM for this one, though.

Also, if Verizon can suspend the service, you should be able to get the CDMA carrier up in Canada to register the ESN of the device, since you're currently running Verizon.  Check up there to find out the details.  Again, look forward to seasonal suspensions.

Above all, TALK TO VERIZON and check your options.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As logistically goofy as it sounds , one can actually get multiple SIM cards , and just do a seasonal suspension on the account depending on where and how long they will be out of the country .
You 'll want to go GSM for this one , though .
Also , if Verizon can suspend the service , you should be able to get the CDMA carrier up in Canada to register the ESN of the device , since you 're currently running Verizon .
Check up there to find out the details .
Again , look forward to seasonal suspensions .
Above all , TALK TO VERIZON and check your options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As logistically goofy as it sounds, one can actually get multiple SIM cards, and just do a seasonal suspension on the account depending on where and how long they will be out of the country.
You'll want to go GSM for this one, though.
Also, if Verizon can suspend the service, you should be able to get the CDMA carrier up in Canada to register the ESN of the device, since you're currently running Verizon.
Check up there to find out the details.
Again, look forward to seasonal suspensions.
Above all, TALK TO VERIZON and check your options.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445538</id>
	<title>Social Engineering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268306760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best way to get the plan you want is to do it the old fashioned way, and haggle over the price. Call up customer service and use your best leverage to convince them that you deserve a better plan than what they offer their first time customers. Long time customer, client retention (claim a plan offered by another telco that equals or exceeds your desired plan) and plain persistance. If they don't let you have it, call them back again. Try different times, especially after works hours to reach different customer support staff. Design your dream smartphone plan and then do not give up until you get it, as they may give you small concessions one after another until you reach your goal.</p><p>This worked very well as a long term customer of Rogers, when Telus got the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best way to get the plan you want is to do it the old fashioned way , and haggle over the price .
Call up customer service and use your best leverage to convince them that you deserve a better plan than what they offer their first time customers .
Long time customer , client retention ( claim a plan offered by another telco that equals or exceeds your desired plan ) and plain persistance .
If they do n't let you have it , call them back again .
Try different times , especially after works hours to reach different customer support staff .
Design your dream smartphone plan and then do not give up until you get it , as they may give you small concessions one after another until you reach your goal.This worked very well as a long term customer of Rogers , when Telus got the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best way to get the plan you want is to do it the old fashioned way, and haggle over the price.
Call up customer service and use your best leverage to convince them that you deserve a better plan than what they offer their first time customers.
Long time customer, client retention (claim a plan offered by another telco that equals or exceeds your desired plan) and plain persistance.
If they don't let you have it, call them back again.
Try different times, especially after works hours to reach different customer support staff.
Design your dream smartphone plan and then do not give up until you get it, as they may give you small concessions one after another until you reach your goal.This worked very well as a long term customer of Rogers, when Telus got the iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445360</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>snowraver1</author>
	<datestamp>1268306040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AS someone who used vonage for three years, I can say that anyone that uses vonage as a primary line is a masochist</htmltext>
<tokenext>AS someone who used vonage for three years , I can say that anyone that uses vonage as a primary line is a masochist</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AS someone who used vonage for three years, I can say that anyone that uses vonage as a primary line is a masochist</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445160</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446382</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>cobryson</author>
	<datestamp>1268310360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why are nearly all of the commenters just railing on this kid for wanting a luxury or two, at a reasonable price?  Can't anyone just assume he's already set his priorities, has everything he NEEDS, and now wants to get something he WANTS for a reasonable price?  I'm not saying I have a perfect answer, but I'm also pretty sure he didn't come here for a lecture about how lucky he is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are nearly all of the commenters just railing on this kid for wanting a luxury or two , at a reasonable price ?
Ca n't anyone just assume he 's already set his priorities , has everything he NEEDS , and now wants to get something he WANTS for a reasonable price ?
I 'm not saying I have a perfect answer , but I 'm also pretty sure he did n't come here for a lecture about how lucky he is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are nearly all of the commenters just railing on this kid for wanting a luxury or two, at a reasonable price?
Can't anyone just assume he's already set his priorities, has everything he NEEDS, and now wants to get something he WANTS for a reasonable price?
I'm not saying I have a perfect answer, but I'm also pretty sure he didn't come here for a lecture about how lucky he is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445160</id>
	<title>How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268305140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess the biggest question would be - why a smartphone specifically?</p><p>Assuming you have some sort of decent Internet access at school, at something available at home, why not just get a VoIP line (a' la Vonage, MagicJack, etc)?  You'd have a single number that would cross borders with you easily, and it would be one heck of a lot cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the biggest question would be - why a smartphone specifically ? Assuming you have some sort of decent Internet access at school , at something available at home , why not just get a VoIP line ( a ' la Vonage , MagicJack , etc ) ?
You 'd have a single number that would cross borders with you easily , and it would be one heck of a lot cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the biggest question would be - why a smartphone specifically?Assuming you have some sort of decent Internet access at school, at something available at home, why not just get a VoIP line (a' la Vonage, MagicJack, etc)?
You'd have a single number that would cross borders with you easily, and it would be one heck of a lot cheaper.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445424</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1268306280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Get this. Up until 15-20 years ago (practically) no college students had cell phones. They all managed to survive and get through school despite that handicap.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Times change.  The fact that everybody now has a cellphone makes it much harder to get by without one.  Payphones aren't widely available any more.  Things aren't pre-planned as much; if you're not reachable, you simply miss out.  Your friends' tolerance for telephone tag is different now.
</p><p>
Yes, you can still survive without one.  But the fact remains, not having one now is quite different than not having one 15 years ago.  A better analogy to not having a cellphone now would be not having your own PC 15 years ago - a few students didn't, but most did, so you were at a disadvantage if you didn't.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get this .
Up until 15-20 years ago ( practically ) no college students had cell phones .
They all managed to survive and get through school despite that handicap .
Times change .
The fact that everybody now has a cellphone makes it much harder to get by without one .
Payphones are n't widely available any more .
Things are n't pre-planned as much ; if you 're not reachable , you simply miss out .
Your friends ' tolerance for telephone tag is different now .
Yes , you can still survive without one .
But the fact remains , not having one now is quite different than not having one 15 years ago .
A better analogy to not having a cellphone now would be not having your own PC 15 years ago - a few students did n't , but most did , so you were at a disadvantage if you did n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get this.
Up until 15-20 years ago (practically) no college students had cell phones.
They all managed to survive and get through school despite that handicap.
Times change.
The fact that everybody now has a cellphone makes it much harder to get by without one.
Payphones aren't widely available any more.
Things aren't pre-planned as much; if you're not reachable, you simply miss out.
Your friends' tolerance for telephone tag is different now.
Yes, you can still survive without one.
But the fact remains, not having one now is quite different than not having one 15 years ago.
A better analogy to not having a cellphone now would be not having your own PC 15 years ago - a few students didn't, but most did, so you were at a disadvantage if you didn't.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446754</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>H0D\_G</author>
	<datestamp>1268312340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are you, Dad? I like the Get Off My Lawnishness inherent in this post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you , Dad ?
I like the Get Off My Lawnishness inherent in this post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you, Dad?
I like the Get Off My Lawnishness inherent in this post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445920</id>
	<title>Just deal with the reality</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268308380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having an international "smart phone" plan is an expensive idea.  I work for a company where my users travel internationally.  We are with AT&amp;T and everyone has a Blackberry.  The bill for an unlimited data plan, plus international calling / roaming / etc. is often $200-300+ a month (depending on countries visited, amount of long distance voice used, etc.)</p><p>Asking for an international smartphone plan that fits a college budget is kind of like asking how to go out into the rain and not get wet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having an international " smart phone " plan is an expensive idea .
I work for a company where my users travel internationally .
We are with AT&amp;T and everyone has a Blackberry .
The bill for an unlimited data plan , plus international calling / roaming / etc .
is often $ 200-300 + a month ( depending on countries visited , amount of long distance voice used , etc .
) Asking for an international smartphone plan that fits a college budget is kind of like asking how to go out into the rain and not get wet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having an international "smart phone" plan is an expensive idea.
I work for a company where my users travel internationally.
We are with AT&amp;T and everyone has a Blackberry.
The bill for an unlimited data plan, plus international calling / roaming / etc.
is often $200-300+ a month (depending on countries visited, amount of long distance voice used, etc.
)Asking for an international smartphone plan that fits a college budget is kind of like asking how to go out into the rain and not get wet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31447486</id>
	<title>Re:Save your money</title>
	<author>eleuthero</author>
	<datestamp>1268316900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would second this with the proviso that a good smart device (ipod touch, whatever the current generation of pocket pc is, etc.) coupled with free wifi in most places (or even an ATT or Tmobile premium wifi plan) will prove cheaper... couple that with a basic phone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or even a non-data plan, no contract smart phone, and you have all you need in most cases (particularly as a student since most places will have wifi where you'll be).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would second this with the proviso that a good smart device ( ipod touch , whatever the current generation of pocket pc is , etc .
) coupled with free wifi in most places ( or even an ATT or Tmobile premium wifi plan ) will prove cheaper... couple that with a basic phone ... or even a non-data plan , no contract smart phone , and you have all you need in most cases ( particularly as a student since most places will have wifi where you 'll be ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would second this with the proviso that a good smart device (ipod touch, whatever the current generation of pocket pc is, etc.
) coupled with free wifi in most places (or even an ATT or Tmobile premium wifi plan) will prove cheaper... couple that with a basic phone ... or even a non-data plan, no contract smart phone, and you have all you need in most cases (particularly as a student since most places will have wifi where you'll be).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445162</id>
	<title>Two plans on GSM...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and swap out SIM cards. See if that is cheaper. It might be.</p><p>Then use Google Voice to forward to both numbers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and swap out SIM cards .
See if that is cheaper .
It might be.Then use Google Voice to forward to both numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and swap out SIM cards.
See if that is cheaper.
It might be.Then use Google Voice to forward to both numbers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445734</id>
	<title>GSM FTW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get a GSM phone, then you can remove the SIM card. Get 2 phone plans, one in Canada and one in the US. It'll be more expensive to have 2 plans, but it will also be cheaper than paying international rates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a GSM phone , then you can remove the SIM card .
Get 2 phone plans , one in Canada and one in the US .
It 'll be more expensive to have 2 plans , but it will also be cheaper than paying international rates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a GSM phone, then you can remove the SIM card.
Get 2 phone plans, one in Canada and one in the US.
It'll be more expensive to have 2 plans, but it will also be cheaper than paying international rates.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445130</id>
	<title>I live in New Zealand</title>
	<author>Master Moose</author>
	<datestamp>1268305080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and we only just got plumbing installed you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>and we only just got plumbing installed you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and we only just got plumbing installed you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446114</id>
	<title>Get an N900</title>
	<author>cheap.computer</author>
	<datestamp>1268309040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you need is an N900, skype, google talk/voice integration, wifi/3G, open smartphone running (debian) maemo5</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you need is an N900 , skype , google talk/voice integration , wifi/3G , open smartphone running ( debian ) maemo5</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you need is an N900, skype, google talk/voice integration, wifi/3G, open smartphone running (debian) maemo5</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445710</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are currently on the best plan for North America.  I am an American living in Canada and do business in both countries.  The Canadian plans that will accomplish the same thing as the plan you currently have, will be 400\% more, due to the lack of competition in the Canadian market.  Verizon was the last US company to still offer a "North America" plan.  So, even though it is more expensive than we are used to in the US, you are still getting amazing rates when you consider that you are roaming internationally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are currently on the best plan for North America .
I am an American living in Canada and do business in both countries .
The Canadian plans that will accomplish the same thing as the plan you currently have , will be 400 \ % more , due to the lack of competition in the Canadian market .
Verizon was the last US company to still offer a " North America " plan .
So , even though it is more expensive than we are used to in the US , you are still getting amazing rates when you consider that you are roaming internationally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are currently on the best plan for North America.
I am an American living in Canada and do business in both countries.
The Canadian plans that will accomplish the same thing as the plan you currently have, will be 400\% more, due to the lack of competition in the Canadian market.
Verizon was the last US company to still offer a "North America" plan.
So, even though it is more expensive than we are used to in the US, you are still getting amazing rates when you consider that you are roaming internationally.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446164</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>BobPaul</author>
	<datestamp>1268309220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. Why would anyone pay $15-$30/mo for phone service when you can mate something like Vitelity or Les.net with an unlocked PAP2 for less than $10/mo.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p><p>But, no.. if your voice quality was poor it's either because you have a bad internet connection, you don't have quality of service properly setup, or your router can't actually handle quality of service at the bandwidth you use. Try using your router as a simple access point (eg, disable DHCP) and install ZeroShell or another router distribution on a spare PC with 2 NICs. You might find that Linksys device running tomato/dd-wrt/openwrt/etc really wasn't as cool as you thought it was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Why would anyone pay $ 15- $ 30/mo for phone service when you can mate something like Vitelity or Les.net with an unlocked PAP2 for less than $ 10/mo .
: pBut , no.. if your voice quality was poor it 's either because you have a bad internet connection , you do n't have quality of service properly setup , or your router ca n't actually handle quality of service at the bandwidth you use .
Try using your router as a simple access point ( eg , disable DHCP ) and install ZeroShell or another router distribution on a spare PC with 2 NICs .
You might find that Linksys device running tomato/dd-wrt/openwrt/etc really was n't as cool as you thought it was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Why would anyone pay $15-$30/mo for phone service when you can mate something like Vitelity or Les.net with an unlocked PAP2 for less than $10/mo.
:pBut, no.. if your voice quality was poor it's either because you have a bad internet connection, you don't have quality of service properly setup, or your router can't actually handle quality of service at the bandwidth you use.
Try using your router as a simple access point (eg, disable DHCP) and install ZeroShell or another router distribution on a spare PC with 2 NICs.
You might find that Linksys device running tomato/dd-wrt/openwrt/etc really wasn't as cool as you thought it was.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445360</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445210</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>cullenfluffyjennings</author>
	<datestamp>1268305440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been trying this but the problem is I don't end up with a reasonable data plan on the prepaid phones which turns out to be a drag. Anyone have ideas for good prepaid plans with data in the Canada? What about US?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been trying this but the problem is I do n't end up with a reasonable data plan on the prepaid phones which turns out to be a drag .
Anyone have ideas for good prepaid plans with data in the Canada ?
What about US ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been trying this but the problem is I don't end up with a reasonable data plan on the prepaid phones which turns out to be a drag.
Anyone have ideas for good prepaid plans with data in the Canada?
What about US?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445142</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31458104</id>
	<title>Re:Get multiple sim cards or....</title>
	<author>Bernal KC</author>
	<datestamp>1268395080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My daughter is a student in Montreal and this is what we did for her.  No smartphone.  No data plan.  But we have her on our AT&amp;T family plan using an unlocked phone.  In Canada she has a plan with Fido that is month to month, lets her use her phone, and (we are told) can either be parked or terminated for the summer months.  She swaps cards when she crosses the border.  Simple.  Effective.  She has managed to loose two SIM cards already, but now she seems to have the routine down.</p><p>The other nice thing about this plan is that the other Canadian cell plans with the major carriers required a 3 year contract.  Since those plans would be suspended for the summer months, she would have been under contract for her full 4 years of undergrad studies.  Month to month looks sweet by comarison (even if Fido's network has gaps.  Not in Montreal so far.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My daughter is a student in Montreal and this is what we did for her .
No smartphone .
No data plan .
But we have her on our AT&amp;T family plan using an unlocked phone .
In Canada she has a plan with Fido that is month to month , lets her use her phone , and ( we are told ) can either be parked or terminated for the summer months .
She swaps cards when she crosses the border .
Simple. Effective .
She has managed to loose two SIM cards already , but now she seems to have the routine down.The other nice thing about this plan is that the other Canadian cell plans with the major carriers required a 3 year contract .
Since those plans would be suspended for the summer months , she would have been under contract for her full 4 years of undergrad studies .
Month to month looks sweet by comarison ( even if Fido 's network has gaps .
Not in Montreal so far .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My daughter is a student in Montreal and this is what we did for her.
No smartphone.
No data plan.
But we have her on our AT&amp;T family plan using an unlocked phone.
In Canada she has a plan with Fido that is month to month, lets her use her phone, and (we are told) can either be parked or terminated for the summer months.
She swaps cards when she crosses the border.
Simple.  Effective.
She has managed to loose two SIM cards already, but now she seems to have the routine down.The other nice thing about this plan is that the other Canadian cell plans with the major carriers required a 3 year contract.
Since those plans would be suspended for the summer months, she would have been under contract for her full 4 years of undergrad studies.
Month to month looks sweet by comarison (even if Fido's network has gaps.
Not in Montreal so far.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445238</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1268305560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Worst ideas I've seen in a while...</p><p>Prepaid rates are great if you use a small number (15-30) minutes a month... but anything more and you're better off buying a monthly plan.</p><p>And WiFi when you travel isn't so cool... you'll find yourself paying US$15-20 a day if your hotel doesn't include it in the price, and those that do include it tend to charge more so you can't win that game. You can't sit in a coffee shop and get WiFi for multiple hours without running up quite the food bill. Nothing's truely free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Worst ideas I 've seen in a while...Prepaid rates are great if you use a small number ( 15-30 ) minutes a month... but anything more and you 're better off buying a monthly plan.And WiFi when you travel is n't so cool... you 'll find yourself paying US $ 15-20 a day if your hotel does n't include it in the price , and those that do include it tend to charge more so you ca n't win that game .
You ca n't sit in a coffee shop and get WiFi for multiple hours without running up quite the food bill .
Nothing 's truely free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worst ideas I've seen in a while...Prepaid rates are great if you use a small number (15-30) minutes a month... but anything more and you're better off buying a monthly plan.And WiFi when you travel isn't so cool... you'll find yourself paying US$15-20 a day if your hotel doesn't include it in the price, and those that do include it tend to charge more so you can't win that game.
You can't sit in a coffee shop and get WiFi for multiple hours without running up quite the food bill.
Nothing's truely free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448002</id>
	<title>2400 Baud?  Get off *MY* LAWN, PUNK!</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1268321160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had 300 baud and we WORSHIPED the acoustic coupler that provided it.  1200 baud dialup lines were "admin only".  There was no 2400 baud dialup.</p><p>But 300 kept you off the TTY 43s (which were always out of paper) and out of the peanut oil stench in the dorm "computer lab" and BEAT THE LIVING SHIT out of hauling ass across the frozen tundra to the "main computer lab" and the fascists lab admins who reserved the "good" VT100s for their buddies, forcing you onto Z19s or the same TTY 43s you ran from at the dorms.</p><p>Anyway, quit bitching about your 2400 baud modems, and GET OFF MY LAWN.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had 300 baud and we WORSHIPED the acoustic coupler that provided it .
1200 baud dialup lines were " admin only " .
There was no 2400 baud dialup.But 300 kept you off the TTY 43s ( which were always out of paper ) and out of the peanut oil stench in the dorm " computer lab " and BEAT THE LIVING SHIT out of hauling ass across the frozen tundra to the " main computer lab " and the fascists lab admins who reserved the " good " VT100s for their buddies , forcing you onto Z19s or the same TTY 43s you ran from at the dorms.Anyway , quit bitching about your 2400 baud modems , and GET OFF MY LAWN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had 300 baud and we WORSHIPED the acoustic coupler that provided it.
1200 baud dialup lines were "admin only".
There was no 2400 baud dialup.But 300 kept you off the TTY 43s (which were always out of paper) and out of the peanut oil stench in the dorm "computer lab" and BEAT THE LIVING SHIT out of hauling ass across the frozen tundra to the "main computer lab" and the fascists lab admins who reserved the "good" VT100s for their buddies, forcing you onto Z19s or the same TTY 43s you ran from at the dorms.Anyway, quit bitching about your 2400 baud modems, and GET OFF MY LAWN.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448844</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>centuren</author>
	<datestamp>1268332200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Get this, most geeks don't have a lot of friends, so the "phone" part is pretty useless, but the "smart" part means you can play tower-defense games on the shitter, and tweet to famous people who don't even tweet their own tweets, to fill in the time you're not on the shitter or in class (since you don't have lots of friends, dig?).</p><p>So anyone in college who reads<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. naturally needs a smartphone.</p></div><p>Um... you put geek and college together and you get tower defense and twitter? Seriously? Not ssh on the go for the mini-server farm you and your geeky roommate have set up, or maybe trying to install NetBSD on it? College is the time for geeks to experiment and go wild. In 2001, we had an Ultra 4, a NeXTcube, and a Dreamcast along side our two Linux (or BSD, depending on mood) desktops, in addition to each of our school laptops.</p><p>Smartphones, geeks, and college should be much zanier than games and social apps.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Get this , most geeks do n't have a lot of friends , so the " phone " part is pretty useless , but the " smart " part means you can play tower-defense games on the shitter , and tweet to famous people who do n't even tweet their own tweets , to fill in the time you 're not on the shitter or in class ( since you do n't have lots of friends , dig ?
) .So anyone in college who reads / .
naturally needs a smartphone.Um... you put geek and college together and you get tower defense and twitter ?
Seriously ? Not ssh on the go for the mini-server farm you and your geeky roommate have set up , or maybe trying to install NetBSD on it ?
College is the time for geeks to experiment and go wild .
In 2001 , we had an Ultra 4 , a NeXTcube , and a Dreamcast along side our two Linux ( or BSD , depending on mood ) desktops , in addition to each of our school laptops.Smartphones , geeks , and college should be much zanier than games and social apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get this, most geeks don't have a lot of friends, so the "phone" part is pretty useless, but the "smart" part means you can play tower-defense games on the shitter, and tweet to famous people who don't even tweet their own tweets, to fill in the time you're not on the shitter or in class (since you don't have lots of friends, dig?
).So anyone in college who reads /.
naturally needs a smartphone.Um... you put geek and college together and you get tower defense and twitter?
Seriously? Not ssh on the go for the mini-server farm you and your geeky roommate have set up, or maybe trying to install NetBSD on it?
College is the time for geeks to experiment and go wild.
In 2001, we had an Ultra 4, a NeXTcube, and a Dreamcast along side our two Linux (or BSD, depending on mood) desktops, in addition to each of our school laptops.Smartphones, geeks, and college should be much zanier than games and social apps.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.</p><p>INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.<br>You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.</p><p>CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER<br>Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat</p><p>HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.</p><p>FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.</p><p>MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.<br>Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger !
If handled properly , your apeman will give years of valuable , if reluctant , service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model .
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration , i.e .
chained together .
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it , and do n't even think about taking that chain off , ever .
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them .
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud .
House niggers work best as standalone units , but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape .
At this stage , your nigger can also be given a name .
Most owners use the same names over and over , since niggers become confused by too much data .
Rufus , Rastus , Remus , Toby , Carslisle , Carlton , Hey-You ! -Yes-you ! , Yeller , Blackstar , and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger .
If your nigger is a ho , it should be called Latrelle , L'Tanya , or Jemima .
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke .
Pearl , Blossom , and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes .
These names go straight over your nigger 's head , by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error , your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords .
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - " muh dick " being the most popular .
However , others make barking , yelping , yapping noises and appear to be in some pain , so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger 's tongue .
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least , you wo n't hear it complaining anywhere near as much .
Niggers have nothing interesting to say , anyway .
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons ( yours , mine , and that of women , not the nigger 's ) .
This is strongly recommended , and frankly , it 's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars .
Make sure , however , that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through .
The rule of thumb is , four niggers per square yard of cage .
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers .
You can site a nigger cage anywhere , even on soft ground .
Do n't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage .
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they 're not about to now .
In any case , your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape .
As long as the free food holds out , your nigger is living better than it did in Africa , so it will stay put .
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage , as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken , corn bread , and watermelon .
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly does n't deserve it .
Instead , feed it on porridge with salt , and creek water .
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields , other niggers , etc .
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat , but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day .
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer , since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives .
He reports he does n't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result .
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work , since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained .
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton .
You really would .
Coffee beans ?
Do n't ask .
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very , very averse to work of any kind .
The nigger 's most</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger!
If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model.
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e.
chained together.
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever.
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them.
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud.
House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape.
At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name.
Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data.
Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger.
If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima.
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke.
Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes.
These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords.
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular.
However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue.
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much.
Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway.
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's).
This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars.
Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through.
The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage.
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers.
You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground.
Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage.
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now.
In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape.
As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put.
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon.
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it.
Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water.
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc.
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day.
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives.
He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result.
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained.
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton.
You really would.
Coffee beans?
Don't ask.
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind.
The nigger's most</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448918</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I was in a very similar situation to OP, I come from Germany and study in the UK, instead of getting 2 phones my solution is simply to not get a phone at all. I am always either at university or at home, in both these areas there is quick and easy access to computers 24/7, so there is absolutely no reason to have a phone at all when you can just use VOIP, I can't think of one situation where my not having a mobile phone was a disadvantage. Okay there's a 15 minute bus-ride on my way to university where I'm not connected, it's scary at first but I got used to having a bit of "time out" from the internet. Besides, I never leave the house without my laptop, so in a way I could always just connect to the nearest access point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I was in a very similar situation to OP , I come from Germany and study in the UK , instead of getting 2 phones my solution is simply to not get a phone at all .
I am always either at university or at home , in both these areas there is quick and easy access to computers 24/7 , so there is absolutely no reason to have a phone at all when you can just use VOIP , I ca n't think of one situation where my not having a mobile phone was a disadvantage .
Okay there 's a 15 minute bus-ride on my way to university where I 'm not connected , it 's scary at first but I got used to having a bit of " time out " from the internet .
Besides , I never leave the house without my laptop , so in a way I could always just connect to the nearest access point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I was in a very similar situation to OP, I come from Germany and study in the UK, instead of getting 2 phones my solution is simply to not get a phone at all.
I am always either at university or at home, in both these areas there is quick and easy access to computers 24/7, so there is absolutely no reason to have a phone at all when you can just use VOIP, I can't think of one situation where my not having a mobile phone was a disadvantage.
Okay there's a 15 minute bus-ride on my way to university where I'm not connected, it's scary at first but I got used to having a bit of "time out" from the internet.
Besides, I never leave the house without my laptop, so in a way I could always just connect to the nearest access point.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31456582</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>Longstaff</author>
	<datestamp>1268388660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google Voice, Gizmo5 account (if you already have one; they're not accepting new requests) or a SkypeIn US number. Get a GSM smartphone with a simcard from a Canadian provider (since you're there most of the time). When in the states, get a pre-paid sim card with voice/data or just data. If you need the SkypeIn, it will set you back $30 for the year.</p><p>You now set up GV to forward calls to your US number to your VoIP account (Gizmo/Skype) while in Canada. Calls will be delivered via data. When in the states, you can continue with the same method, but with a prepaid simcard OR you can just forward via voice.</p><p>Note that while data plans for Canada or pre-paid US may be capped/metered you only need to use the GSM data when you are out-and-about. Any decent smartphone these days will happily shuffle data through wifi instead.</p><p>My Nokia N900 might be a bit too pricey, but will do everything here seamlessly with the built-in Skype and SIP integration.</p><p>The only thing this doesn't cover is porting your existing number to GoogleVoice...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google Voice , Gizmo5 account ( if you already have one ; they 're not accepting new requests ) or a SkypeIn US number .
Get a GSM smartphone with a simcard from a Canadian provider ( since you 're there most of the time ) .
When in the states , get a pre-paid sim card with voice/data or just data .
If you need the SkypeIn , it will set you back $ 30 for the year.You now set up GV to forward calls to your US number to your VoIP account ( Gizmo/Skype ) while in Canada .
Calls will be delivered via data .
When in the states , you can continue with the same method , but with a prepaid simcard OR you can just forward via voice.Note that while data plans for Canada or pre-paid US may be capped/metered you only need to use the GSM data when you are out-and-about .
Any decent smartphone these days will happily shuffle data through wifi instead.My Nokia N900 might be a bit too pricey , but will do everything here seamlessly with the built-in Skype and SIP integration.The only thing this does n't cover is porting your existing number to GoogleVoice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google Voice, Gizmo5 account (if you already have one; they're not accepting new requests) or a SkypeIn US number.
Get a GSM smartphone with a simcard from a Canadian provider (since you're there most of the time).
When in the states, get a pre-paid sim card with voice/data or just data.
If you need the SkypeIn, it will set you back $30 for the year.You now set up GV to forward calls to your US number to your VoIP account (Gizmo/Skype) while in Canada.
Calls will be delivered via data.
When in the states, you can continue with the same method, but with a prepaid simcard OR you can just forward via voice.Note that while data plans for Canada or pre-paid US may be capped/metered you only need to use the GSM data when you are out-and-about.
Any decent smartphone these days will happily shuffle data through wifi instead.My Nokia N900 might be a bit too pricey, but will do everything here seamlessly with the built-in Skype and SIP integration.The only thing this doesn't cover is porting your existing number to GoogleVoice...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448778</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was in a very similar situation to OP, I come from Germany and study in the UK, instead of getting 2 phones my solution is simply to not get a phone at all. I am always either at university or at home, in both these areas there is quick and easy access to computers 24/7, so there is absolutely no reason to have a phone at all when you can just use VOIP, I can't think of one situation where my not having a mobile phone was a disadvantage. Okay there's a 15 minute bus-ride on my way to university where I'm not connected, it's scary at first but I got used to having a bit of "time out" from the internet. Besides, I never leave the house without my laptop, so in a way I could always just connect to the nearest access point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in a very similar situation to OP , I come from Germany and study in the UK , instead of getting 2 phones my solution is simply to not get a phone at all .
I am always either at university or at home , in both these areas there is quick and easy access to computers 24/7 , so there is absolutely no reason to have a phone at all when you can just use VOIP , I ca n't think of one situation where my not having a mobile phone was a disadvantage .
Okay there 's a 15 minute bus-ride on my way to university where I 'm not connected , it 's scary at first but I got used to having a bit of " time out " from the internet .
Besides , I never leave the house without my laptop , so in a way I could always just connect to the nearest access point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in a very similar situation to OP, I come from Germany and study in the UK, instead of getting 2 phones my solution is simply to not get a phone at all.
I am always either at university or at home, in both these areas there is quick and easy access to computers 24/7, so there is absolutely no reason to have a phone at all when you can just use VOIP, I can't think of one situation where my not having a mobile phone was a disadvantage.
Okay there's a 15 minute bus-ride on my way to university where I'm not connected, it's scary at first but I got used to having a bit of "time out" from the internet.
Besides, I never leave the house without my laptop, so in a way I could always just connect to the nearest access point.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445508</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268306640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His question wasn't do I need a smartphone, it was I want a smartphone is there any way to do it.  Obviously he realizes he doesn't need one, he doesn't even have one now!  I love my smartphone and sure, I could live without one, but I like technology, and smartphones are the latest and greatest, and they are really convenient, useful, and just plain cool (and no I don't mean cool as in I look sweet with my iphone and all the cool kids have one, I mean cool in the same way a nice computer is cool, I like technology).</p><p>Now back to the question at hand, what would probably be cheaper is to get an unlocked GSM/3g iPhone/whatever it is you want, and get a post-paid plan in Canada (because it sounds like you are there most of the time).  Then get a pre-paid SIM card on t-mobile or ATT for the US which you use when you go back to the US.  You'd need google voice or similar to keep the same number year round though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His question was n't do I need a smartphone , it was I want a smartphone is there any way to do it .
Obviously he realizes he does n't need one , he does n't even have one now !
I love my smartphone and sure , I could live without one , but I like technology , and smartphones are the latest and greatest , and they are really convenient , useful , and just plain cool ( and no I do n't mean cool as in I look sweet with my iphone and all the cool kids have one , I mean cool in the same way a nice computer is cool , I like technology ) .Now back to the question at hand , what would probably be cheaper is to get an unlocked GSM/3g iPhone/whatever it is you want , and get a post-paid plan in Canada ( because it sounds like you are there most of the time ) .
Then get a pre-paid SIM card on t-mobile or ATT for the US which you use when you go back to the US .
You 'd need google voice or similar to keep the same number year round though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His question wasn't do I need a smartphone, it was I want a smartphone is there any way to do it.
Obviously he realizes he doesn't need one, he doesn't even have one now!
I love my smartphone and sure, I could live without one, but I like technology, and smartphones are the latest and greatest, and they are really convenient, useful, and just plain cool (and no I don't mean cool as in I look sweet with my iphone and all the cool kids have one, I mean cool in the same way a nice computer is cool, I like technology).Now back to the question at hand, what would probably be cheaper is to get an unlocked GSM/3g iPhone/whatever it is you want, and get a post-paid plan in Canada (because it sounds like you are there most of the time).
Then get a pre-paid SIM card on t-mobile or ATT for the US which you use when you go back to the US.
You'd need google voice or similar to keep the same number year round though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445344</id>
	<title>Verizon and ATT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tend to pick a carrier first, and the phone second.  That's because I'm one of the seemingly few people left who actually care whether the phone part works.  Verizon has good coverage in the US... Can't speak to Canada, but if you have no complaints about coverage, I'd tend to stay with that carrier.  I am also a Verizon customer, and there is no doubt that you pay through the nose for their services, but again, there is that 'wanting my phone to work' thing that I can't seem to get past.  <br> <br>
ATT is another obvious choice, with good coverage in the US and likely in Canada as well.  You'd have to compare rates on those two carriers.  After that, you get into the lesser carriers (IMHO) such as Sprint.  Cheaper per month, but for me they had radically worse coverage.<br> <br>
Other considerations would be what the networks are of those you call most - if they are all on Verizon, all those calls are airtime free if you are on Verizon too... Same would go for the other carriers. <br> <br>
Another poster pointed out that you could go with a generic GSM phone and use prepaid sim cards in both countries and tie them together with Google Voice.  You'll lose the free minutes thing, so it makes sense to think about how much you call people.<br> <br>
As for the smartphone thing, you can get good smartphones from all the carriers now.  They all seem to have blackberries and ATT has the iPhone while Verizon has the Droid.  I waited a LONG time for Verizon to offer me a really nice (read: trendy) phone, and now have a Droid and like it very much.  I don't want to engage in the whole iPhone/Droid debate... suffice it to say that they are both cool, both very usable, and both are a pleasure to have.<br> <br>
But in summary, I'd say examine the network first, phones second.  Then pays the money, whatever it works out to be.  The frustration of a big phone bill pales in comparison to a phone/network that doesn't work for you.  That is a daily frustration, and the bill only comes once a month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tend to pick a carrier first , and the phone second .
That 's because I 'm one of the seemingly few people left who actually care whether the phone part works .
Verizon has good coverage in the US... Ca n't speak to Canada , but if you have no complaints about coverage , I 'd tend to stay with that carrier .
I am also a Verizon customer , and there is no doubt that you pay through the nose for their services , but again , there is that 'wanting my phone to work ' thing that I ca n't seem to get past .
ATT is another obvious choice , with good coverage in the US and likely in Canada as well .
You 'd have to compare rates on those two carriers .
After that , you get into the lesser carriers ( IMHO ) such as Sprint .
Cheaper per month , but for me they had radically worse coverage .
Other considerations would be what the networks are of those you call most - if they are all on Verizon , all those calls are airtime free if you are on Verizon too... Same would go for the other carriers .
Another poster pointed out that you could go with a generic GSM phone and use prepaid sim cards in both countries and tie them together with Google Voice .
You 'll lose the free minutes thing , so it makes sense to think about how much you call people .
As for the smartphone thing , you can get good smartphones from all the carriers now .
They all seem to have blackberries and ATT has the iPhone while Verizon has the Droid .
I waited a LONG time for Verizon to offer me a really nice ( read : trendy ) phone , and now have a Droid and like it very much .
I do n't want to engage in the whole iPhone/Droid debate... suffice it to say that they are both cool , both very usable , and both are a pleasure to have .
But in summary , I 'd say examine the network first , phones second .
Then pays the money , whatever it works out to be .
The frustration of a big phone bill pales in comparison to a phone/network that does n't work for you .
That is a daily frustration , and the bill only comes once a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tend to pick a carrier first, and the phone second.
That's because I'm one of the seemingly few people left who actually care whether the phone part works.
Verizon has good coverage in the US... Can't speak to Canada, but if you have no complaints about coverage, I'd tend to stay with that carrier.
I am also a Verizon customer, and there is no doubt that you pay through the nose for their services, but again, there is that 'wanting my phone to work' thing that I can't seem to get past.
ATT is another obvious choice, with good coverage in the US and likely in Canada as well.
You'd have to compare rates on those two carriers.
After that, you get into the lesser carriers (IMHO) such as Sprint.
Cheaper per month, but for me they had radically worse coverage.
Other considerations would be what the networks are of those you call most - if they are all on Verizon, all those calls are airtime free if you are on Verizon too... Same would go for the other carriers.
Another poster pointed out that you could go with a generic GSM phone and use prepaid sim cards in both countries and tie them together with Google Voice.
You'll lose the free minutes thing, so it makes sense to think about how much you call people.
As for the smartphone thing, you can get good smartphones from all the carriers now.
They all seem to have blackberries and ATT has the iPhone while Verizon has the Droid.
I waited a LONG time for Verizon to offer me a really nice (read: trendy) phone, and now have a Droid and like it very much.
I don't want to engage in the whole iPhone/Droid debate... suffice it to say that they are both cool, both very usable, and both are a pleasure to have.
But in summary, I'd say examine the network first, phones second.
Then pays the money, whatever it works out to be.
The frustration of a big phone bill pales in comparison to a phone/network that doesn't work for you.
That is a daily frustration, and the bill only comes once a month.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445826</id>
	<title>Re:I wish.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow!  I have a 5 cell phones (each member of my family carries their own - no smart phones) a home phone, internet (FIOS with about 8-12 wifi/wired devices connected), and TV with 4 boxes (one an HD DVR)including HD content and movie channels (HBO/Cinemax/Starz/Movie Channel/etc....) all from Verizon and I still only pay about $350/month.  You are seriously overpaying....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow !
I have a 5 cell phones ( each member of my family carries their own - no smart phones ) a home phone , internet ( FIOS with about 8-12 wifi/wired devices connected ) , and TV with 4 boxes ( one an HD DVR ) including HD content and movie channels ( HBO/Cinemax/Starz/Movie Channel/etc.... ) all from Verizon and I still only pay about $ 350/month .
You are seriously overpaying... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow!
I have a 5 cell phones (each member of my family carries their own - no smart phones) a home phone, internet (FIOS with about 8-12 wifi/wired devices connected), and TV with 4 boxes (one an HD DVR)including HD content and movie channels (HBO/Cinemax/Starz/Movie Channel/etc....) all from Verizon and I still only pay about $350/month.
You are seriously overpaying....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446980</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1268313480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I graduated from PSU in Oregon in 2000 and didn't have a cell phone, however there were public phones everywhere (pay phones). Last time I was on campus showing a friend around most all were gone.</p><p>Now I don't even have a home phone - things change rapidly don't they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I graduated from PSU in Oregon in 2000 and did n't have a cell phone , however there were public phones everywhere ( pay phones ) .
Last time I was on campus showing a friend around most all were gone.Now I do n't even have a home phone - things change rapidly do n't they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I graduated from PSU in Oregon in 2000 and didn't have a cell phone, however there were public phones everywhere (pay phones).
Last time I was on campus showing a friend around most all were gone.Now I don't even have a home phone - things change rapidly don't they?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445948</id>
	<title>Re:In Canada...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268308500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never heard of Canadian Bacon (round) until I went to the states,...<br>When I was a kid we cured our own Bacon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never heard of Canadian Bacon ( round ) until I went to the states,...When I was a kid we cured our own Bacon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never heard of Canadian Bacon (round) until I went to the states,...When I was a kid we cured our own Bacon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446784</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268312580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes but the ASKer wants a smartphone. That is still a luxury. Use a voice plan and wifi... Students *DO NOT NEED SMARTPHONES* unless they are employed on the side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but the ASKer wants a smartphone .
That is still a luxury .
Use a voice plan and wifi... Students * DO NOT NEED SMARTPHONES * unless they are employed on the side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but the ASKer wants a smartphone.
That is still a luxury.
Use a voice plan and wifi... Students *DO NOT NEED SMARTPHONES* unless they are employed on the side.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445394</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>TexasTroy</author>
	<datestamp>1268306220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all?  You are a student.  Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibility (and why isn't that paying for it) or is this something you want to have so you can be like all the other cool kids on campus?  If a mobile phone is an unnecessary want, get your priorities straight.  Plenty of time for over-priced whiz-bangs after school.<br> <br>

Secondly, what is the need for keeping the same phone number?  I had a new number every year when I was in school back when we used two Dixie cups and a string, and modems melted the lines at a blazing 2400 baud.
<br> <br>
Figure out what you really need, then go from there.  That should help you decide what it is worth rather than looking to get the cheapest generic plan for something you may not need to begin with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More so , how badly do you need a phone at all ?
You are a student .
Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibility ( and why is n't that paying for it ) or is this something you want to have so you can be like all the other cool kids on campus ?
If a mobile phone is an unnecessary want , get your priorities straight .
Plenty of time for over-priced whiz-bangs after school .
Secondly , what is the need for keeping the same phone number ?
I had a new number every year when I was in school back when we used two Dixie cups and a string , and modems melted the lines at a blazing 2400 baud .
Figure out what you really need , then go from there .
That should help you decide what it is worth rather than looking to get the cheapest generic plan for something you may not need to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all?
You are a student.
Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibility (and why isn't that paying for it) or is this something you want to have so you can be like all the other cool kids on campus?
If a mobile phone is an unnecessary want, get your priorities straight.
Plenty of time for over-priced whiz-bangs after school.
Secondly, what is the need for keeping the same phone number?
I had a new number every year when I was in school back when we used two Dixie cups and a string, and modems melted the lines at a blazing 2400 baud.
Figure out what you really need, then go from there.
That should help you decide what it is worth rather than looking to get the cheapest generic plan for something you may not need to begin with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31450340</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268400960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vonage is supposed to cover all of the U.S. and Canada.  You can go online and set up call forwarding or simultaneous ringing.<br>When someone call my Vonage number it rings my cell phone, work phone and the Vonage box I have at home.<br>If you use a Vonage box at home you need an internet connection to phone there.<br>I think if you never plug in the box you can still use the simul-ring and call forwarding online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vonage is supposed to cover all of the U.S. and Canada .
You can go online and set up call forwarding or simultaneous ringing.When someone call my Vonage number it rings my cell phone , work phone and the Vonage box I have at home.If you use a Vonage box at home you need an internet connection to phone there.I think if you never plug in the box you can still use the simul-ring and call forwarding online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vonage is supposed to cover all of the U.S. and Canada.
You can go online and set up call forwarding or simultaneous ringing.When someone call my Vonage number it rings my cell phone, work phone and the Vonage box I have at home.If you use a Vonage box at home you need an internet connection to phone there.I think if you never plug in the box you can still use the simul-ring and call forwarding online.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31447592</id>
	<title>Re:I wish.</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1268317680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>

You call that hefty? My Cell phone bill is $411 a month without overages.

I do have 2 Blackberries and 3 data lines (Verizon) but I'd still love a $80-$100 a month bill.
</i> <br> <br>
Did you ever consider that just maybe you have a little more than you can use, or that you're being ripped off? Just wondering. And you are probably not a student, or operating on a student-sized budget. Just guessing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You call that hefty ?
My Cell phone bill is $ 411 a month without overages .
I do have 2 Blackberries and 3 data lines ( Verizon ) but I 'd still love a $ 80- $ 100 a month bill .
Did you ever consider that just maybe you have a little more than you can use , or that you 're being ripped off ?
Just wondering .
And you are probably not a student , or operating on a student-sized budget .
Just guessing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

You call that hefty?
My Cell phone bill is $411 a month without overages.
I do have 2 Blackberries and 3 data lines (Verizon) but I'd still love a $80-$100 a month bill.
Did you ever consider that just maybe you have a little more than you can use, or that you're being ripped off?
Just wondering.
And you are probably not a student, or operating on a student-sized budget.
Just guessing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445498</id>
	<title>Droid+Google Voice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268306640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a Droid and use Google Voice.</p><p>Free calls to Canada.</p><p>https://www.google.com/voice/rates</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Droid and use Google Voice.Free calls to Canada.https : //www.google.com/voice/rates</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Droid and use Google Voice.Free calls to Canada.https://www.google.com/voice/rates</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445194</id>
	<title>Not that bright, are you?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There really is no good price for international roaming. Since you want to keep your US number, this is what you do:</p><p>1. During the school year, put your verizon phone on the cheapest possible plan that includes unlimited call forwarding.</p><p>2. Get a Canadian cell phone (personally, I hate all Canadian cell phone companies, but dislike Rogers the least).</p><p>3. Get a toll-free number that goes to your Canadian cell phone, and this toll-free number must cover Canada &amp; the US. This will cost you around 3-5 cents/minute. Also get a toll-free number that goes to your verizon cell phone.</p><p>4. During the school year, call-forward your verizon phone to the toll-free that goes to your Rogers phone. So now your friends back home can still call you at your old number, and it doesn't cost you that much.</p><p>5. During the summer, call-forward your rogers phone to the toll-free that goes to the verizon phone.</p><p>QED.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There really is no good price for international roaming .
Since you want to keep your US number , this is what you do : 1 .
During the school year , put your verizon phone on the cheapest possible plan that includes unlimited call forwarding.2 .
Get a Canadian cell phone ( personally , I hate all Canadian cell phone companies , but dislike Rogers the least ) .3 .
Get a toll-free number that goes to your Canadian cell phone , and this toll-free number must cover Canada &amp; the US .
This will cost you around 3-5 cents/minute .
Also get a toll-free number that goes to your verizon cell phone.4 .
During the school year , call-forward your verizon phone to the toll-free that goes to your Rogers phone .
So now your friends back home can still call you at your old number , and it does n't cost you that much.5 .
During the summer , call-forward your rogers phone to the toll-free that goes to the verizon phone.QED .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There really is no good price for international roaming.
Since you want to keep your US number, this is what you do:1.
During the school year, put your verizon phone on the cheapest possible plan that includes unlimited call forwarding.2.
Get a Canadian cell phone (personally, I hate all Canadian cell phone companies, but dislike Rogers the least).3.
Get a toll-free number that goes to your Canadian cell phone, and this toll-free number must cover Canada &amp; the US.
This will cost you around 3-5 cents/minute.
Also get a toll-free number that goes to your verizon cell phone.4.
During the school year, call-forward your verizon phone to the toll-free that goes to your Rogers phone.
So now your friends back home can still call you at your old number, and it doesn't cost you that much.5.
During the summer, call-forward your rogers phone to the toll-free that goes to the verizon phone.QED.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446232</id>
	<title>Re:Call Them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268309580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Contrary to the standard opinions here on Slashdot, big corporations are still run by human beings.</p></div><p>Big corporations are run by murderous robots. Stop filling this poor kid's head with wanton idealism.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Contrary to the standard opinions here on Slashdot , big corporations are still run by human beings.Big corporations are run by murderous robots .
Stop filling this poor kid 's head with wanton idealism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Contrary to the standard opinions here on Slashdot, big corporations are still run by human beings.Big corporations are run by murderous robots.
Stop filling this poor kid's head with wanton idealism.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445420</id>
	<title>I wish.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268306280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You call that hefty?  My Cell phone bill is $411 a month without overages.</p><p>I do have 2 Blackberries and 3 data lines (Verizon) but I'd still love a $80-$100 a month bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You call that hefty ?
My Cell phone bill is $ 411 a month without overages.I do have 2 Blackberries and 3 data lines ( Verizon ) but I 'd still love a $ 80- $ 100 a month bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You call that hefty?
My Cell phone bill is $411 a month without overages.I do have 2 Blackberries and 3 data lines (Verizon) but I'd still love a $80-$100 a month bill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445338</id>
	<title>Smartphone killed the PDA?</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1268305980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe what this kid needs is a iPod Touch or the upcoming WiFi-only iPad. If data plans are unreasonable with the roaming charges, maybe he can just do the smartphone-like things in WiFi zones, and keep his current phone-only device with a phone-only plan...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe what this kid needs is a iPod Touch or the upcoming WiFi-only iPad .
If data plans are unreasonable with the roaming charges , maybe he can just do the smartphone-like things in WiFi zones , and keep his current phone-only device with a phone-only plan.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe what this kid needs is a iPod Touch or the upcoming WiFi-only iPad.
If data plans are unreasonable with the roaming charges, maybe he can just do the smartphone-like things in WiFi zones, and keep his current phone-only device with a phone-only plan...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445664</id>
	<title>Social pariah may become unemployed social pariah</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1268307360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it isn't necessary to have a smartphone.</p></div><p>Being a social pariah in college is a good way to graduate without a job offer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it is n't necessary to have a smartphone.Being a social pariah in college is a good way to graduate without a job offer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it isn't necessary to have a smartphone.Being a social pariah in college is a good way to graduate without a job offer.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445190</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31447558</id>
	<title>Re:Not that bright, are you?</title>
	<author>SECProto</author>
	<datestamp>1268317380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, of all the cell carriers, I hate rogers the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/most/. Actually, Koodo (subsidiary of telus) has much better prices than other companies, and there is no penalty to drop your contract. (you have to pay your phone off, but that is never more than $150 - that is how much they allow on their "tab"). I have no idea how their smart phone selection is, but they are fine for voice and text, and very cheap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , of all the cell carriers , I hate rogers the /most/ .
Actually , Koodo ( subsidiary of telus ) has much better prices than other companies , and there is no penalty to drop your contract .
( you have to pay your phone off , but that is never more than $ 150 - that is how much they allow on their " tab " ) .
I have no idea how their smart phone selection is , but they are fine for voice and text , and very cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, of all the cell carriers, I hate rogers the /most/.
Actually, Koodo (subsidiary of telus) has much better prices than other companies, and there is no penalty to drop your contract.
(you have to pay your phone off, but that is never more than $150 - that is how much they allow on their "tab").
I have no idea how their smart phone selection is, but they are fine for voice and text, and very cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446022</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1268308740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google voice does not forward calls.</p><p>I'm using <a href="http://didww.com/" title="didww.com">http://didww.com/</a> [didww.com] for this exact purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google voice does not forward calls.I 'm using http : //didww.com/ [ didww.com ] for this exact purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google voice does not forward calls.I'm using http://didww.com/ [didww.com] for this exact purpose.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31449202</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268425560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have a car, and I get by just fine, you insensitive clod.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have a car , and I get by just fine , you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have a car, and I get by just fine, you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446148</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446148</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268309160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get this. Up until 85-100 years ago (practically) no one had cars. They all managed to survive and get through life despite that handicap. You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it isn't necessary to have a car.

I don't know if it's still available but you can use the horse-drawn buggy on a road without getting a car. Whether they'll let you ride it to the grocery store without upgrading to a car is another thing. They allowed this for the first time with the Model T.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get this .
Up until 85-100 years ago ( practically ) no one had cars .
They all managed to survive and get through life despite that handicap .
You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it is n't necessary to have a car .
I do n't know if it 's still available but you can use the horse-drawn buggy on a road without getting a car .
Whether they 'll let you ride it to the grocery store without upgrading to a car is another thing .
They allowed this for the first time with the Model T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get this.
Up until 85-100 years ago (practically) no one had cars.
They all managed to survive and get through life despite that handicap.
You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it isn't necessary to have a car.
I don't know if it's still available but you can use the horse-drawn buggy on a road without getting a car.
Whether they'll let you ride it to the grocery store without upgrading to a car is another thing.
They allowed this for the first time with the Model T.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445190</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446110</id>
	<title>Have you checked T-Mobile?</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1268309040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't really know what kind of deal you might be able to get with T-Mobile, but I'd check with them. They are in both the US and Canada, so you might be able to get a decent deal with them. Since you are in Canada more months of the year, if you have to choose a 'home country' for the phone, it might make more sense to make Canada the 'home', and the US the 'roaming' option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really know what kind of deal you might be able to get with T-Mobile , but I 'd check with them .
They are in both the US and Canada , so you might be able to get a decent deal with them .
Since you are in Canada more months of the year , if you have to choose a 'home country ' for the phone , it might make more sense to make Canada the 'home ' , and the US the 'roaming ' option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really know what kind of deal you might be able to get with T-Mobile, but I'd check with them.
They are in both the US and Canada, so you might be able to get a decent deal with them.
Since you are in Canada more months of the year, if you have to choose a 'home country' for the phone, it might make more sense to make Canada the 'home', and the US the 'roaming' option.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446100</id>
	<title>Why is this on slashdot?</title>
	<author>home-electro.com</author>
	<datestamp>1268308980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Must be real slow day...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Must be real slow day.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Must be real slow day...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448134</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268322360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And 15-20 years before that there were no computers at school (outside the mini-computer in the comp sci lab) and no Internet; my brother's typewriter with an erase key was in high demand, but I was stuck an electric typewriter, erasable typing paper, and carbon paper to make a 'backup'. Long distance calls cost a dollar a minute, the Cold War was still on, cars got 10 mpg and quality was shit. And still people graduated from college.</p><p>And 15-20 years before that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Heck, we can follow that logic back to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah#Early\_history\_of\_Madrasahs" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">9th century</a> [wikipedia.org], when the first people graduated from an institution of higher education (unless you want to count Socrates or Aristotle's schools<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...).</p><p>What's your point? We survived without technology for thousands of years, so who needs it now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And 15-20 years before that there were no computers at school ( outside the mini-computer in the comp sci lab ) and no Internet ; my brother 's typewriter with an erase key was in high demand , but I was stuck an electric typewriter , erasable typing paper , and carbon paper to make a 'backup' .
Long distance calls cost a dollar a minute , the Cold War was still on , cars got 10 mpg and quality was shit .
And still people graduated from college.And 15-20 years before that ...Heck , we can follow that logic back to the 9th century [ wikipedia.org ] , when the first people graduated from an institution of higher education ( unless you want to count Socrates or Aristotle 's schools ... ) .What 's your point ?
We survived without technology for thousands of years , so who needs it now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And 15-20 years before that there were no computers at school (outside the mini-computer in the comp sci lab) and no Internet; my brother's typewriter with an erase key was in high demand, but I was stuck an electric typewriter, erasable typing paper, and carbon paper to make a 'backup'.
Long distance calls cost a dollar a minute, the Cold War was still on, cars got 10 mpg and quality was shit.
And still people graduated from college.And 15-20 years before that ...Heck, we can follow that logic back to the 9th century [wikipedia.org], when the first people graduated from an institution of higher education (unless you want to count Socrates or Aristotle's schools ...).What's your point?
We survived without technology for thousands of years, so who needs it now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445168</id>
	<title>Save your money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're a student?    Here's some advice that you did not solicit:  Consider whether this is an opportunity to save yourself some longterm pain by keeping your expenses low.   Consider the actual cost of the plan...as it affects the level of debt you'll carry (if any) as a result of tuition loans.</p><p>Maybe a smartphone and data plan is a must have....for a student...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...don't think it is though.  I know, it'd be a tough living, wouldn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're a student ?
Here 's some advice that you did not solicit : Consider whether this is an opportunity to save yourself some longterm pain by keeping your expenses low .
Consider the actual cost of the plan...as it affects the level of debt you 'll carry ( if any ) as a result of tuition loans.Maybe a smartphone and data plan is a must have....for a student... ...do n't think it is though .
I know , it 'd be a tough living , would n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're a student?
Here's some advice that you did not solicit:  Consider whether this is an opportunity to save yourself some longterm pain by keeping your expenses low.
Consider the actual cost of the plan...as it affects the level of debt you'll carry (if any) as a result of tuition loans.Maybe a smartphone and data plan is a must have....for a student... ...don't think it is though.
I know, it'd be a tough living, wouldn't it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31449210</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1268425740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all?</p></div><p>"Hi.  Can I have your number?"</p><p>No... wait...</p><p>"Secondly, what is the need for keeping the same phone number?"</p><p>It's O(n\_friends) telling your n\_friends to change your entry in their hosts.txt file.  It's O(1) work keeping the same number, and 1 &lt; n for many values of n.</p><p>There's really something wrong on slashdot when I tell other people about having an active social life.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>More so , how badly do you need a phone at all ? " Hi .
Can I have your number ? " No.. .
wait... " Secondly , what is the need for keeping the same phone number ?
" It 's O ( n \ _friends ) telling your n \ _friends to change your entry in their hosts.txt file .
It 's O ( 1 ) work keeping the same number , and 1 There 's really something wrong on slashdot when I tell other people about having an active social life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all?"Hi.
Can I have your number?"No...
wait..."Secondly, what is the need for keeping the same phone number?
"It's O(n\_friends) telling your n\_friends to change your entry in their hosts.txt file.
It's O(1) work keeping the same number, and 1 There's really something wrong on slashdot when I tell other people about having an active social life.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31447674</id>
	<title>Works in Alberta</title>
	<author>caseih</author>
	<datestamp>1268318520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I forward Google Voice regularly to two different 403 numbers.  Not going to help you in NS, but just saying that Google indeed does forward to *some* canadian numbers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I forward Google Voice regularly to two different 403 numbers .
Not going to help you in NS , but just saying that Google indeed does forward to * some * canadian numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I forward Google Voice regularly to two different 403 numbers.
Not going to help you in NS, but just saying that Google indeed does forward to *some* canadian numbers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445574</id>
	<title>What's Your Priority?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268306880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a budget is most important to you, then switch to Sprint or another company.  Verizon has the best cell coverage of any other North American carrier, but it comes at a premium.  Unlimited data and voice and text with Sprint and a Blackberry Tour (or similar) costs like ninety bucks for the phone, two year contract and I believe it's about 100 a month.  So, check coverage maps first, obviously.  Sprint phones also use GSM and the SIM chips, so they can be used internationally, so there's a plus.  Verizon uses CDMA which apparently is used in Canada; the downside to CDMA is that voice and data cannot be used simultaneously while GSM can.<br><br>Also, have you called a Verizon customer service rep yet and asked what they would recommend?  Being a customer with them for seven years, you might very well be considered a high-value customer and they might be more willing to cut you a deal to keep your business. So there's that then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a budget is most important to you , then switch to Sprint or another company .
Verizon has the best cell coverage of any other North American carrier , but it comes at a premium .
Unlimited data and voice and text with Sprint and a Blackberry Tour ( or similar ) costs like ninety bucks for the phone , two year contract and I believe it 's about 100 a month .
So , check coverage maps first , obviously .
Sprint phones also use GSM and the SIM chips , so they can be used internationally , so there 's a plus .
Verizon uses CDMA which apparently is used in Canada ; the downside to CDMA is that voice and data can not be used simultaneously while GSM can.Also , have you called a Verizon customer service rep yet and asked what they would recommend ?
Being a customer with them for seven years , you might very well be considered a high-value customer and they might be more willing to cut you a deal to keep your business .
So there 's that then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a budget is most important to you, then switch to Sprint or another company.
Verizon has the best cell coverage of any other North American carrier, but it comes at a premium.
Unlimited data and voice and text with Sprint and a Blackberry Tour (or similar) costs like ninety bucks for the phone, two year contract and I believe it's about 100 a month.
So, check coverage maps first, obviously.
Sprint phones also use GSM and the SIM chips, so they can be used internationally, so there's a plus.
Verizon uses CDMA which apparently is used in Canada; the downside to CDMA is that voice and data cannot be used simultaneously while GSM can.Also, have you called a Verizon customer service rep yet and asked what they would recommend?
Being a customer with them for seven years, you might very well be considered a high-value customer and they might be more willing to cut you a deal to keep your business.
So there's that then.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445266</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>ComSon0</author>
	<datestamp>1268305740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I travel to Canada from the US often for work and have tried this as I also have a Rogers plan.  Google voice will not forward the calls to international numbers, even if it's our neighbor, Canada.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I travel to Canada from the US often for work and have tried this as I also have a Rogers plan .
Google voice will not forward the calls to international numbers , even if it 's our neighbor , Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I travel to Canada from the US often for work and have tried this as I also have a Rogers plan.
Google voice will not forward the calls to international numbers, even if it's our neighbor, Canada.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446172</id>
	<title>I wish I'd had a cell phone</title>
	<author>aaronrp</author>
	<datestamp>1268309280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was a college student from 1988 through 1992, mostly at UC Santa Cruz. I had my own phone line whenever I could, so I could talk to my family, whatever part time employer I had, etc. Over those four years I lived in eight dorm rooms and two apartments, not counting two summers living with my mom.  Either we had land phones, which cost $35 every time I moved into a new place (in 1990 dollars), or -- during the year I lived in Vancouver, BC, where UBC didn't have phone jacks in the rooms -- amazingly high telephone credit card costs on my dad's phone bill.
<p>
Cell phones back then were big, bulky, and expensive; I don't think I ever seriously considered getting one (although at one point my dad got one for business).  I only wish I could have had what today's students have access to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a college student from 1988 through 1992 , mostly at UC Santa Cruz .
I had my own phone line whenever I could , so I could talk to my family , whatever part time employer I had , etc .
Over those four years I lived in eight dorm rooms and two apartments , not counting two summers living with my mom .
Either we had land phones , which cost $ 35 every time I moved into a new place ( in 1990 dollars ) , or -- during the year I lived in Vancouver , BC , where UBC did n't have phone jacks in the rooms -- amazingly high telephone credit card costs on my dad 's phone bill .
Cell phones back then were big , bulky , and expensive ; I do n't think I ever seriously considered getting one ( although at one point my dad got one for business ) .
I only wish I could have had what today 's students have access to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a college student from 1988 through 1992, mostly at UC Santa Cruz.
I had my own phone line whenever I could, so I could talk to my family, whatever part time employer I had, etc.
Over those four years I lived in eight dorm rooms and two apartments, not counting two summers living with my mom.
Either we had land phones, which cost $35 every time I moved into a new place (in 1990 dollars), or -- during the year I lived in Vancouver, BC, where UBC didn't have phone jacks in the rooms -- amazingly high telephone credit card costs on my dad's phone bill.
Cell phones back then were big, bulky, and expensive; I don't think I ever seriously considered getting one (although at one point my dad got one for business).
I only wish I could have had what today's students have access to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445190</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446286</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>rhesuspieces00</author>
	<datestamp>1268309820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sucks. Examples of why:<br>

* GPS navigation only works if you have a gps enabled device and a constant data connection. Wi-Fi is useless for this.<br>

* Netbooks suck. Period.<br>

* Pulling out a laptop to check twitter to see where your friends are while walking down the street does not make sense.<br>

* Prepaid SIM service sucks.  Calls are deprioritized relative to other traffic and call quality is terrible.<br>

Do I need to keep going? Start counting the apps in the iTunes store that *DONT* work on the iPod Touch and you should start to get the idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sucks .
Examples of why : * GPS navigation only works if you have a gps enabled device and a constant data connection .
Wi-Fi is useless for this .
* Netbooks suck .
Period . * Pulling out a laptop to check twitter to see where your friends are while walking down the street does not make sense .
* Prepaid SIM service sucks .
Calls are deprioritized relative to other traffic and call quality is terrible .
Do I need to keep going ?
Start counting the apps in the iTunes store that * DONT * work on the iPod Touch and you should start to get the idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sucks.
Examples of why:

* GPS navigation only works if you have a gps enabled device and a constant data connection.
Wi-Fi is useless for this.
* Netbooks suck.
Period.

* Pulling out a laptop to check twitter to see where your friends are while walking down the street does not make sense.
* Prepaid SIM service sucks.
Calls are deprioritized relative to other traffic and call quality is terrible.
Do I need to keep going?
Start counting the apps in the iTunes store that *DONT* work on the iPod Touch and you should start to get the idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445882</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268308200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get this, most geeks don't have a lot of friends, so the "phone" part is pretty useless, but the "smart" part means you can play tower-defense games on the shitter, and tweet to famous people who don't even tweet their own tweets, to fill in the time you're not on the shitter or in class (since you don't have lots of friends, dig?).</p><p>So anyone in college who reads<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. naturally needs a smartphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get this , most geeks do n't have a lot of friends , so the " phone " part is pretty useless , but the " smart " part means you can play tower-defense games on the shitter , and tweet to famous people who do n't even tweet their own tweets , to fill in the time you 're not on the shitter or in class ( since you do n't have lots of friends , dig ?
) .So anyone in college who reads / .
naturally needs a smartphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get this, most geeks don't have a lot of friends, so the "phone" part is pretty useless, but the "smart" part means you can play tower-defense games on the shitter, and tweet to famous people who don't even tweet their own tweets, to fill in the time you're not on the shitter or in class (since you don't have lots of friends, dig?
).So anyone in college who reads /.
naturally needs a smartphone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448044</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Planesdragon</author>
	<datestamp>1268321460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Up until 15-20 years ago (practically) no college students had cell phones.</p></div><p>And in 1990, hardly any had laptops, you turned in all your work by hand, you had no internet connection (or internet) beyond maybe the Computer Science lab's mainframe, and calling home cost $.25 a minute.  I could be wrong about the precise cost, but it sure as heck wasn't the "call across the country as cheaply as calling across the street" situation we have now.</p><p>(Things weren't that much better in 1995, btw.  Maybe you had a laptop.  If your parents were rich.)</p><p>Today, you simply are not well equipped if you do not have an internet connection, personal computer, and cell phone.  ESPECIALLY if you are a college student not living at home.  Heck, if I was entering college, I'd want a cell phone and laptop with data tethering -- you cut out one bill you don't need, and keep your one number whole the whole rest of your life is a jumble.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Up until 15-20 years ago ( practically ) no college students had cell phones.And in 1990 , hardly any had laptops , you turned in all your work by hand , you had no internet connection ( or internet ) beyond maybe the Computer Science lab 's mainframe , and calling home cost $ .25 a minute .
I could be wrong about the precise cost , but it sure as heck was n't the " call across the country as cheaply as calling across the street " situation we have now .
( Things were n't that much better in 1995 , btw .
Maybe you had a laptop .
If your parents were rich .
) Today , you simply are not well equipped if you do not have an internet connection , personal computer , and cell phone .
ESPECIALLY if you are a college student not living at home .
Heck , if I was entering college , I 'd want a cell phone and laptop with data tethering -- you cut out one bill you do n't need , and keep your one number whole the whole rest of your life is a jumble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Up until 15-20 years ago (practically) no college students had cell phones.And in 1990, hardly any had laptops, you turned in all your work by hand, you had no internet connection (or internet) beyond maybe the Computer Science lab's mainframe, and calling home cost $.25 a minute.
I could be wrong about the precise cost, but it sure as heck wasn't the "call across the country as cheaply as calling across the street" situation we have now.
(Things weren't that much better in 1995, btw.
Maybe you had a laptop.
If your parents were rich.
)Today, you simply are not well equipped if you do not have an internet connection, personal computer, and cell phone.
ESPECIALLY if you are a college student not living at home.
Heck, if I was entering college, I'd want a cell phone and laptop with data tethering -- you cut out one bill you don't need, and keep your one number whole the whole rest of your life is a jumble.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445340</id>
	<title>In Canada...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hear in Canada they call Canadian Geese just geese. Also, their bacon is round.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear in Canada they call Canadian Geese just geese .
Also , their bacon is round .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear in Canada they call Canadian Geese just geese.
Also, their bacon is round.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445634</id>
	<title>Call Them</title>
	<author>RoFLKOPTr</author>
	<datestamp>1268307120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Contrary to the standard opinions here on Slashdot, big corporations are still run by human beings. Just call Verizon and tell them your situation. You're a student that lives in the USA but goes to school in Canada and you can't afford these massive international rates. It doesn't cost Verizon any more to provide service to your phone in Canada than it does to provide service to your phone on the other side of the country from where you live, so all these additional fees are essentially pure profit. Tell them that if you can't get a better deal on your phone service, then you will be forced to switch to GSM so that you can bring your phone across national lines and just switch providers to avoid these huge rates for international service.</p><p>It might take some time, effort, and a bit of pleading, but I'm sure you'll manage to get a lower bill out of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Contrary to the standard opinions here on Slashdot , big corporations are still run by human beings .
Just call Verizon and tell them your situation .
You 're a student that lives in the USA but goes to school in Canada and you ca n't afford these massive international rates .
It does n't cost Verizon any more to provide service to your phone in Canada than it does to provide service to your phone on the other side of the country from where you live , so all these additional fees are essentially pure profit .
Tell them that if you ca n't get a better deal on your phone service , then you will be forced to switch to GSM so that you can bring your phone across national lines and just switch providers to avoid these huge rates for international service.It might take some time , effort , and a bit of pleading , but I 'm sure you 'll manage to get a lower bill out of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Contrary to the standard opinions here on Slashdot, big corporations are still run by human beings.
Just call Verizon and tell them your situation.
You're a student that lives in the USA but goes to school in Canada and you can't afford these massive international rates.
It doesn't cost Verizon any more to provide service to your phone in Canada than it does to provide service to your phone on the other side of the country from where you live, so all these additional fees are essentially pure profit.
Tell them that if you can't get a better deal on your phone service, then you will be forced to switch to GSM so that you can bring your phone across national lines and just switch providers to avoid these huge rates for international service.It might take some time, effort, and a bit of pleading, but I'm sure you'll manage to get a lower bill out of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445598</id>
	<title>Limited budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly your idea of being a student with a "limited budget" is different from the rest of us...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly your idea of being a student with a " limited budget " is different from the rest of us.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly your idea of being a student with a "limited budget" is different from the rest of us...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445190</id>
	<title>Don't bother</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1268305320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get this. Up until 15-20 years ago (practically) no college students had cell phones. They all managed to survive and get through school despite that handicap. You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it isn't necessary to have a smartphone.</p><p>I don't know if it's still available but you can use the Verizon WirelessWeb feature on a smartphone without getting a data plane. Whether they'll let you upgrade to a smartphone without upgrading to data is another thing. They allowed this for the first time with the Centro.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get this .
Up until 15-20 years ago ( practically ) no college students had cell phones .
They all managed to survive and get through school despite that handicap .
You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it is n't necessary to have a smartphone.I do n't know if it 's still available but you can use the Verizon WirelessWeb feature on a smartphone without getting a data plane .
Whether they 'll let you upgrade to a smartphone without upgrading to data is another thing .
They allowed this for the first time with the Centro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get this.
Up until 15-20 years ago (practically) no college students had cell phones.
They all managed to survive and get through school despite that handicap.
You may have to endure being a social pariah for a few years but it isn't necessary to have a smartphone.I don't know if it's still available but you can use the Verizon WirelessWeb feature on a smartphone without getting a data plane.
Whether they'll let you upgrade to a smartphone without upgrading to data is another thing.
They allowed this for the first time with the Centro.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445802</id>
	<title>Re:In Canada...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just FYI, we laugh at round Canada bacon here in Quebec. Our bacon is in strips form just like in the USA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just FYI , we laugh at round Canada bacon here in Quebec .
Our bacon is in strips form just like in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just FYI, we laugh at round Canada bacon here in Quebec.
Our bacon is in strips form just like in the USA.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445582</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>dreamchaser</author>
	<datestamp>1268306880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was my first thought, 'Why a smartphone'.  If one is living on a limited budget one should live within their means.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was my first thought , 'Why a smartphone' .
If one is living on a limited budget one should live within their means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was my first thought, 'Why a smartphone'.
If one is living on a limited budget one should live within their means.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448204</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1268323080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not being sarcastic, just curious: how exactly does having a cell phone help you with school work? 15 years ago, a computer was mainly useful for typing up reports and doing the occasional spreadsheet. The web was around, but it really wasn't *that* useful for school unless you were able to access some non-public collection of academic journals. It seems to me that the number of distractions that a smart phone offers vastly outweighs the number of academic advantages.</p><p>That said, I don't believe that not having a cell phone today is any kind of handicap for most people. If your business or work requires you to be available at all times, that's one thing. But most of us are not that "important." We just want to feel like it and are willing to pay in excess of $1000 per year for the privilege. And of course to play Tetris in the elevator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not being sarcastic , just curious : how exactly does having a cell phone help you with school work ?
15 years ago , a computer was mainly useful for typing up reports and doing the occasional spreadsheet .
The web was around , but it really was n't * that * useful for school unless you were able to access some non-public collection of academic journals .
It seems to me that the number of distractions that a smart phone offers vastly outweighs the number of academic advantages.That said , I do n't believe that not having a cell phone today is any kind of handicap for most people .
If your business or work requires you to be available at all times , that 's one thing .
But most of us are not that " important .
" We just want to feel like it and are willing to pay in excess of $ 1000 per year for the privilege .
And of course to play Tetris in the elevator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not being sarcastic, just curious: how exactly does having a cell phone help you with school work?
15 years ago, a computer was mainly useful for typing up reports and doing the occasional spreadsheet.
The web was around, but it really wasn't *that* useful for school unless you were able to access some non-public collection of academic journals.
It seems to me that the number of distractions that a smart phone offers vastly outweighs the number of academic advantages.That said, I don't believe that not having a cell phone today is any kind of handicap for most people.
If your business or work requires you to be available at all times, that's one thing.
But most of us are not that "important.
" We just want to feel like it and are willing to pay in excess of $1000 per year for the privilege.
And of course to play Tetris in the elevator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31607778</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269548220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all?  You are a student.  Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibility (and why isn't that paying for it) or is this something you want to have so you can be like all the other cool kids on campus?  If a mobile phone is an unnecessary want, get your priorities straight.  Plenty of time for over-priced whiz-bangs after school.</p><p>Secondly, what is the need for keeping the same phone number?  I had a new number every year when I was in school back when we used two Dixie cups and a string, and modems melted the lines at a blazing 2400 baud.</p><p>Figure out what you really need, then go from there.  That should help you decide what it is worth rather than looking to get the cheapest generic plan for something you may not need to begin with.</p></div><p>I don't know you, and this isn't my post. However, Texas Troy, you seem to have some personal issues. This young man was seeking advice. Obviously, you haven't gone to college, or you would realize the need of students in todays high-tech society. Teachers rarely speak with students one on one, and most assignments are turned in online even if you go to school traditionally. I supposed you were never taught that if you don't have anything nice to say; then you should say nothing at all. Good luck with school, Timothy. I hope you get your communication issues worked out.</p></div>
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<tokenext>More so , how badly do you need a phone at all ?
You are a student .
Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibility ( and why is n't that paying for it ) or is this something you want to have so you can be like all the other cool kids on campus ?
If a mobile phone is an unnecessary want , get your priorities straight .
Plenty of time for over-priced whiz-bangs after school.Secondly , what is the need for keeping the same phone number ?
I had a new number every year when I was in school back when we used two Dixie cups and a string , and modems melted the lines at a blazing 2400 baud.Figure out what you really need , then go from there .
That should help you decide what it is worth rather than looking to get the cheapest generic plan for something you may not need to begin with.I do n't know you , and this is n't my post .
However , Texas Troy , you seem to have some personal issues .
This young man was seeking advice .
Obviously , you have n't gone to college , or you would realize the need of students in todays high-tech society .
Teachers rarely speak with students one on one , and most assignments are turned in online even if you go to school traditionally .
I supposed you were never taught that if you do n't have anything nice to say ; then you should say nothing at all .
Good luck with school , Timothy .
I hope you get your communication issues worked out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all?
You are a student.
Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibility (and why isn't that paying for it) or is this something you want to have so you can be like all the other cool kids on campus?
If a mobile phone is an unnecessary want, get your priorities straight.
Plenty of time for over-priced whiz-bangs after school.Secondly, what is the need for keeping the same phone number?
I had a new number every year when I was in school back when we used two Dixie cups and a string, and modems melted the lines at a blazing 2400 baud.Figure out what you really need, then go from there.
That should help you decide what it is worth rather than looking to get the cheapest generic plan for something you may not need to begin with.I don't know you, and this isn't my post.
However, Texas Troy, you seem to have some personal issues.
This young man was seeking advice.
Obviously, you haven't gone to college, or you would realize the need of students in todays high-tech society.
Teachers rarely speak with students one on one, and most assignments are turned in online even if you go to school traditionally.
I supposed you were never taught that if you don't have anything nice to say; then you should say nothing at all.
Good luck with school, Timothy.
I hope you get your communication issues worked out.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31448418</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother</title>
	<author>Rehnberg</author>
	<datestamp>1268325720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., I'm in college, and I have AT LEAST 3 friends... Back home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read /. , I 'm in college , and I have AT LEAST 3 friends... Back home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read /., I'm in college, and I have AT LEAST 3 friends... Back home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446700</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not sure what you want to achieve:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268312100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tracfone.  10 cents per minute to all of the Americas and about 40 other countries.<br>$20 for a bluetooth phone with camera<br>Port your old number to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tracfone .
10 cents per minute to all of the Americas and about 40 other countries. $ 20 for a bluetooth phone with cameraPort your old number to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tracfone.
10 cents per minute to all of the Americas and about 40 other countries.$20 for a bluetooth phone with cameraPort your old number to it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446130</id>
	<title>Reluctant AT&amp;T'r</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268309100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T offers a US/Canada plan, but not for the iPhone (what gives?). The plan includes calls to and from Canada, but excludes data -- data is pay-per-use and is priced at $2/MB. It also includes the A-List (5 numbers you can call for free), but those numbers can't be international -- so it's useful for calling the US only.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T offers a US/Canada plan , but not for the iPhone ( what gives ? ) .
The plan includes calls to and from Canada , but excludes data -- data is pay-per-use and is priced at $ 2/MB .
It also includes the A-List ( 5 numbers you can call for free ) , but those numbers ca n't be international -- so it 's useful for calling the US only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T offers a US/Canada plan, but not for the iPhone (what gives?).
The plan includes calls to and from Canada, but excludes data -- data is pay-per-use and is priced at $2/MB.
It also includes the A-List (5 numbers you can call for free), but those numbers can't be international -- so it's useful for calling the US only.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31445868</id>
	<title>Re:Why a smartphone? Google voice + prepaid is bes</title>
	<author>greeneggs2000</author>
	<datestamp>1268308140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google voice will call out to Canada for free, but will not forward to Canada (for free or pay).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google voice will call out to Canada for free , but will not forward to Canada ( for free or pay ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google voice will call out to Canada for free, but will not forward to Canada (for free or pay).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31446216</id>
	<title>Re:How badly do you need a smartphone?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1268309460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all? You are a student. Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibility</i></p><p>Girls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More so , how badly do you need a phone at all ?
You are a student .
Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibilityGirls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More so, how badly do you need a phone at all?
You are a student.
Is there some higher obligation that requires you to have mobile accessibilityGirls.</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_213223.31450340
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