<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_11_2017223</id>
	<title>Pennsylvania CISO Fired Over Talk At RSA Conference</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268298420000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Pennsylvania's chief information security officer Robert Maley has been <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9169098/Pennsylvania\_fires\_CISO\_over\_RSA\_talk">fired for publicly talking about a security incident</a> involving the Commonwealth's online driving exam scheduling system. He apparently did not get the required approval for talking about the incident from appropriate authorities."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Pennsylvania 's chief information security officer Robert Maley has been fired for publicly talking about a security incident involving the Commonwealth 's online driving exam scheduling system .
He apparently did not get the required approval for talking about the incident from appropriate authorities .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Pennsylvania's chief information security officer Robert Maley has been fired for publicly talking about a security incident involving the Commonwealth's online driving exam scheduling system.
He apparently did not get the required approval for talking about the incident from appropriate authorities.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31449312</id>
	<title>Re:His story is NOTHING to my story</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1268384640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm one of many server administrators for LUTX, the (US) Federal Government IT "swat team" that was put in place during the Clinton Administration. One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server.</p></div><p>What a load of bullshit. We all know that Canada doesn't actually exist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm one of many server administrators for LUTX , the ( US ) Federal Government IT " swat team " that was put in place during the Clinton Administration .
One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian 's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server.What a load of bullshit .
We all know that Canada does n't actually exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm one of many server administrators for LUTX, the (US) Federal Government IT "swat team" that was put in place during the Clinton Administration.
One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server.What a load of bullshit.
We all know that Canada doesn't actually exist.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444738</id>
	<title>Spill the rest of the beans</title>
	<author>Archangel Michael</author>
	<datestamp>1268303580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I were him, I'd start spilling all the info I ever had on security for the state. No amount of money or threats would stop me.</p><p>I mean any and every item. I'd expose every stupid supervisory move that compromised security and my ability to protect the network. EVERYTHING would be exposed.</p><p>Nothing worse than people getting their panties all in a wad over a "talk" about a well publicized incident, of which all the bad guys already knew about.</p><p>There is only one thing these people understand, and that is how to look good. Ruin it for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I were him , I 'd start spilling all the info I ever had on security for the state .
No amount of money or threats would stop me.I mean any and every item .
I 'd expose every stupid supervisory move that compromised security and my ability to protect the network .
EVERYTHING would be exposed.Nothing worse than people getting their panties all in a wad over a " talk " about a well publicized incident , of which all the bad guys already knew about.There is only one thing these people understand , and that is how to look good .
Ruin it for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I were him, I'd start spilling all the info I ever had on security for the state.
No amount of money or threats would stop me.I mean any and every item.
I'd expose every stupid supervisory move that compromised security and my ability to protect the network.
EVERYTHING would be exposed.Nothing worse than people getting their panties all in a wad over a "talk" about a well publicized incident, of which all the bad guys already knew about.There is only one thing these people understand, and that is how to look good.
Ruin it for them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445110</id>
	<title>Re:C Level Sec Exec is Fired?</title>
	<author>hrimhari</author>
	<datestamp>1268304960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously, his manager doesn't read<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously , his manager does n't read / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously, his manager doesn't read /.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444610</id>
	<title>C Level Sec Exec is Fired?</title>
	<author>introspekt.i</author>
	<datestamp>1268303100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who fired him?  Sounds like he made the wrong people look bad.  Rules are rules, I suppose, but if the problem has been fixed, isn't talking about security and attack vectors generally a good thing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who fired him ?
Sounds like he made the wrong people look bad .
Rules are rules , I suppose , but if the problem has been fixed , is n't talking about security and attack vectors generally a good thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who fired him?
Sounds like he made the wrong people look bad.
Rules are rules, I suppose, but if the problem has been fixed, isn't talking about security and attack vectors generally a good thing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31451312</id>
	<title>Re:reasonable?</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1268407740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"image problems and/or lawsuits"</p><p>This is a government operation, paid for with taxpayer dollars.  They have no product to sell, and no investors to satisfy.  They DO however, have many stakeholders in the form of the taxpaying public who deserve to know how their dollars are spent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" image problems and/or lawsuits " This is a government operation , paid for with taxpayer dollars .
They have no product to sell , and no investors to satisfy .
They DO however , have many stakeholders in the form of the taxpaying public who deserve to know how their dollars are spent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"image problems and/or lawsuits"This is a government operation, paid for with taxpayer dollars.
They have no product to sell, and no investors to satisfy.
They DO however, have many stakeholders in the form of the taxpaying public who deserve to know how their dollars are spent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444438</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31449074</id>
	<title>Re:Spill the rest of the beans</title>
	<author>Billly Gates</author>
	<datestamp>1268337300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In any large organization whether its government or private you will have the same problem. Part of the job is to help the owners look good. If you do that you get promoted. When you do not you get fired. Its a fact of life when you work. You can have a place with great management who may not do this as much but you wont get anywhere if you are a whistler blower or labeled a whiner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In any large organization whether its government or private you will have the same problem .
Part of the job is to help the owners look good .
If you do that you get promoted .
When you do not you get fired .
Its a fact of life when you work .
You can have a place with great management who may not do this as much but you wont get anywhere if you are a whistler blower or labeled a whiner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In any large organization whether its government or private you will have the same problem.
Part of the job is to help the owners look good.
If you do that you get promoted.
When you do not you get fired.
Its a fact of life when you work.
You can have a place with great management who may not do this as much but you wont get anywhere if you are a whistler blower or labeled a whiner.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444412</id>
	<title>His story is NOTHING to my story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(had to make sure I hit the "Post Anonymously" button...)<br>I'm one of many server administrators for LUTX, the (US) Federal Government IT "swat team" that was put in place during the Clinton Administration.  One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server.  Well, as you can imagine, all hell broke loose and we had to double-slot the uranium deuteride fast on the flip-flop before the Russkies could notice.<br>I hope I don't get fired for sharing this amazing story with Slashdot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( had to make sure I hit the " Post Anonymously " button... ) I 'm one of many server administrators for LUTX , the ( US ) Federal Government IT " swat team " that was put in place during the Clinton Administration .
One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian 's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server .
Well , as you can imagine , all hell broke loose and we had to double-slot the uranium deuteride fast on the flip-flop before the Russkies could notice.I hope I do n't get fired for sharing this amazing story with Slashdot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(had to make sure I hit the "Post Anonymously" button...)I'm one of many server administrators for LUTX, the (US) Federal Government IT "swat team" that was put in place during the Clinton Administration.
One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server.
Well, as you can imagine, all hell broke loose and we had to double-slot the uranium deuteride fast on the flip-flop before the Russkies could notice.I hope I don't get fired for sharing this amazing story with Slashdot</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446964</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268313420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a state agency in IT. Not a bench tech but up the chain a bit. We have all signed forms saying that we will not divulge anything about our environment - what we run, any breaches, etc. Talking to the media is out of the question. Talking to a group is allowed IF the content is very general. One of our guys talked to the media once (and slammed the state in the process) and got slapped so hard he ended up leaving.</p><p>I have to wonder if the person who fired him was a real IT person who would learn from him sharing his story or someone who was appointed after years of doing something else and thought that his talk revealed a hack. I used to work for an IT person who was a social worker and climbed the ranks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a state agency in IT .
Not a bench tech but up the chain a bit .
We have all signed forms saying that we will not divulge anything about our environment - what we run , any breaches , etc .
Talking to the media is out of the question .
Talking to a group is allowed IF the content is very general .
One of our guys talked to the media once ( and slammed the state in the process ) and got slapped so hard he ended up leaving.I have to wonder if the person who fired him was a real IT person who would learn from him sharing his story or someone who was appointed after years of doing something else and thought that his talk revealed a hack .
I used to work for an IT person who was a social worker and climbed the ranks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a state agency in IT.
Not a bench tech but up the chain a bit.
We have all signed forms saying that we will not divulge anything about our environment - what we run, any breaches, etc.
Talking to the media is out of the question.
Talking to a group is allowed IF the content is very general.
One of our guys talked to the media once (and slammed the state in the process) and got slapped so hard he ended up leaving.I have to wonder if the person who fired him was a real IT person who would learn from him sharing his story or someone who was appointed after years of doing something else and thought that his talk revealed a hack.
I used to work for an IT person who was a social worker and climbed the ranks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445878</id>
	<title>Re:Easy fix?</title>
	<author>syntaxeater</author>
	<datestamp>1268308200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's hard to feign innocence and blame a chinese hacker if people are "talking."</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's hard to feign innocence and blame a chinese hacker if people are " talking .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's hard to feign innocence and blame a chinese hacker if people are "talking.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444720</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445164</id>
	<title>lucky not to be in jail as other who have</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1268305140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lucky not to be in jail as other who have came out with info on security incidentes / holes have been locked up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lucky not to be in jail as other who have came out with info on security incidentes / holes have been locked up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lucky not to be in jail as other who have came out with info on security incidentes / holes have been locked up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447362</id>
	<title>Re:Spill the rest of the beans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268315940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guaranteed he's lining up the public disclosure requests for all email having to do with this termination for maybe months prior.  They wanted him out and this was a handy mechanism.</p><p>BTW, he IS the authority to authorize discussion of the event.  I was at that panel discussion, and it was one of the best talks I attended at the conference.  No FUD, no vendor bullshit.</p><p>And while I'm at it, RSA - we're done for the next few years at least.  Vendors controlling the conversation and being enabled by an incompetent federal government ("we just need solutions from the private sector") has become comedic... or it would be if it wasn't so ultimately dangerous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guaranteed he 's lining up the public disclosure requests for all email having to do with this termination for maybe months prior .
They wanted him out and this was a handy mechanism.BTW , he IS the authority to authorize discussion of the event .
I was at that panel discussion , and it was one of the best talks I attended at the conference .
No FUD , no vendor bullshit.And while I 'm at it , RSA - we 're done for the next few years at least .
Vendors controlling the conversation and being enabled by an incompetent federal government ( " we just need solutions from the private sector " ) has become comedic... or it would be if it was n't so ultimately dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guaranteed he's lining up the public disclosure requests for all email having to do with this termination for maybe months prior.
They wanted him out and this was a handy mechanism.BTW, he IS the authority to authorize discussion of the event.
I was at that panel discussion, and it was one of the best talks I attended at the conference.
No FUD, no vendor bullshit.And while I'm at it, RSA - we're done for the next few years at least.
Vendors controlling the conversation and being enabled by an incompetent federal government ("we just need solutions from the private sector") has become comedic... or it would be if it wasn't so ultimately dangerous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445572</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>precariousgray</author>
	<datestamp>1268306880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except this "rule" has no useful purpose.  See other relevant comments.
<br> <br>
<i>They followed policy.  It'll be okay.  They followed policy.  Lord Policy is Absolute.  He shall keep us safe.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except this " rule " has no useful purpose .
See other relevant comments .
They followed policy .
It 'll be okay .
They followed policy .
Lord Policy is Absolute .
He shall keep us safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except this "rule" has no useful purpose.
See other relevant comments.
They followed policy.
It'll be okay.
They followed policy.
Lord Policy is Absolute.
He shall keep us safe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444452</id>
	<title>Kill the Messenger</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>has always worked <br> <br>
except on windows xp...</htmltext>
<tokenext>has always worked except on windows xp.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>has always worked  
except on windows xp...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31449068</id>
	<title>Re:The key paragraph</title>
	<author>Billly Gates</author>
	<datestamp>1268337120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>""Maley's dismissal comes amid ongoing budget and staff cuts at Pennsylvania's IT security organization, the source said. Over the past 18 months to two years, the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38\%, and staff by 40\%. They also put a "lockdown" on talking about cybersecurity, the source claimed.""</i></p><p>So basically staff was cut so much that security could now be compromised. So lets also make a rule of not talking about cyber security to cover our cuts and protect senior officials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" " Maley 's dismissal comes amid ongoing budget and staff cuts at Pennsylvania 's IT security organization , the source said .
Over the past 18 months to two years , the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38 \ % , and staff by 40 \ % .
They also put a " lockdown " on talking about cybersecurity , the source claimed .
" " So basically staff was cut so much that security could now be compromised .
So lets also make a rule of not talking about cyber security to cover our cuts and protect senior officials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>""Maley's dismissal comes amid ongoing budget and staff cuts at Pennsylvania's IT security organization, the source said.
Over the past 18 months to two years, the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38\%, and staff by 40\%.
They also put a "lockdown" on talking about cybersecurity, the source claimed.
""So basically staff was cut so much that security could now be compromised.
So lets also make a rule of not talking about cyber security to cover our cuts and protect senior officials.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444716</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444926</id>
	<title>"Lockdown" is the problem with Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268304240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm simply rehashing the same thing I wrote over at SC Magazine's site:</p><p>We do not know all the facts behind the termination, but if was based primarly on his RSA appearance, that's a shame. There are so many variants of qualitative and quantitative risk assessment, that regular meetings with your peers seems to be just as critical with regards to understanding the important controls which need to be put in place. The days of leading with FUD appears to be in our rear view mirror, and building up a positive outlook in security by learning from the past and attempting to stay ahead of the curve is imperative to our support of the business or the public entity. What was the common theme with all the CISO's at RSA?  Information sharing is critical and we're way behind.  We don't share information, we put ourselves on "lockdown" and don't get invited to the table anymore as security professionals.  We're seen as roadblocks, as negative drags on the bottom line.  Something has to change or else we're going to lose ground as a country.  In fact we already have.</p><p>Sharing information with other professionals is now critical to any InfoSec career. We do need to account for privacy, so a balance must be achived. Maley may have violated a confidentiality component of his employment, but that doesn't make the spirit of what he did wrong in any way. If anything, some clear guidance on what types of information is shared behind closed doors at peer review and group meetings at RSA should be discussed. You can't vette everyone who attends the meetings, but openness is a good thing, not a bad thing. More transparency is needed across the public and private sectors. More openness is needed among security professionals.  The state of PA has it wrong.  Lockdown is not a way to progress forward out of this losing battle with regards to properly securing the infrastructure while allowing the inevitable growth of technology and information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm simply rehashing the same thing I wrote over at SC Magazine 's site : We do not know all the facts behind the termination , but if was based primarly on his RSA appearance , that 's a shame .
There are so many variants of qualitative and quantitative risk assessment , that regular meetings with your peers seems to be just as critical with regards to understanding the important controls which need to be put in place .
The days of leading with FUD appears to be in our rear view mirror , and building up a positive outlook in security by learning from the past and attempting to stay ahead of the curve is imperative to our support of the business or the public entity .
What was the common theme with all the CISO 's at RSA ?
Information sharing is critical and we 're way behind .
We do n't share information , we put ourselves on " lockdown " and do n't get invited to the table anymore as security professionals .
We 're seen as roadblocks , as negative drags on the bottom line .
Something has to change or else we 're going to lose ground as a country .
In fact we already have.Sharing information with other professionals is now critical to any InfoSec career .
We do need to account for privacy , so a balance must be achived .
Maley may have violated a confidentiality component of his employment , but that does n't make the spirit of what he did wrong in any way .
If anything , some clear guidance on what types of information is shared behind closed doors at peer review and group meetings at RSA should be discussed .
You ca n't vette everyone who attends the meetings , but openness is a good thing , not a bad thing .
More transparency is needed across the public and private sectors .
More openness is needed among security professionals .
The state of PA has it wrong .
Lockdown is not a way to progress forward out of this losing battle with regards to properly securing the infrastructure while allowing the inevitable growth of technology and information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm simply rehashing the same thing I wrote over at SC Magazine's site:We do not know all the facts behind the termination, but if was based primarly on his RSA appearance, that's a shame.
There are so many variants of qualitative and quantitative risk assessment, that regular meetings with your peers seems to be just as critical with regards to understanding the important controls which need to be put in place.
The days of leading with FUD appears to be in our rear view mirror, and building up a positive outlook in security by learning from the past and attempting to stay ahead of the curve is imperative to our support of the business or the public entity.
What was the common theme with all the CISO's at RSA?
Information sharing is critical and we're way behind.
We don't share information, we put ourselves on "lockdown" and don't get invited to the table anymore as security professionals.
We're seen as roadblocks, as negative drags on the bottom line.
Something has to change or else we're going to lose ground as a country.
In fact we already have.Sharing information with other professionals is now critical to any InfoSec career.
We do need to account for privacy, so a balance must be achived.
Maley may have violated a confidentiality component of his employment, but that doesn't make the spirit of what he did wrong in any way.
If anything, some clear guidance on what types of information is shared behind closed doors at peer review and group meetings at RSA should be discussed.
You can't vette everyone who attends the meetings, but openness is a good thing, not a bad thing.
More transparency is needed across the public and private sectors.
More openness is needed among security professionals.
The state of PA has it wrong.
Lockdown is not a way to progress forward out of this losing battle with regards to properly securing the infrastructure while allowing the inevitable growth of technology and information.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445916</id>
	<title>hack or not to hack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268308380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, she contested several media reports that have described the incident as a hacking attack, and said that as far as the the department was aware, there had been no hack or breach of the system.</p></div><p>Don't you hate it when people imply that their system was not "hacked" simply because they didn't provide the proper precautions to stop the leaking of internal data or changing database information in a way it was not intended?</p><p>According to our current definitions... IT WAS A HACK. Whether something is a hack is not determined by the ease in which they are preformed or the impact size of the damage no matter how minimal.</p><p>She is describing "hack" in terms of ramifications.</p><p>This is concept is almost as silly as attempting to make breaking DRM code illegal without considering the quality of code or logic/math behind it. For example, I could take code an increment each character. ie: a =&gt; b, b =&gt; c,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... z =&gt; a. and then call this "DRM". Now if any pre-teen tries to run this through their decoder ring to "break it"... they get a free pass to jail.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , she contested several media reports that have described the incident as a hacking attack , and said that as far as the the department was aware , there had been no hack or breach of the system.Do n't you hate it when people imply that their system was not " hacked " simply because they did n't provide the proper precautions to stop the leaking of internal data or changing database information in a way it was not intended ? According to our current definitions... IT WAS A HACK .
Whether something is a hack is not determined by the ease in which they are preformed or the impact size of the damage no matter how minimal.She is describing " hack " in terms of ramifications.This is concept is almost as silly as attempting to make breaking DRM code illegal without considering the quality of code or logic/math behind it .
For example , I could take code an increment each character .
ie : a = &gt; b , b = &gt; c , ... z = &gt; a. and then call this " DRM " .
Now if any pre-teen tries to run this through their decoder ring to " break it " ... they get a free pass to jail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, she contested several media reports that have described the incident as a hacking attack, and said that as far as the the department was aware, there had been no hack or breach of the system.Don't you hate it when people imply that their system was not "hacked" simply because they didn't provide the proper precautions to stop the leaking of internal data or changing database information in a way it was not intended?According to our current definitions... IT WAS A HACK.
Whether something is a hack is not determined by the ease in which they are preformed or the impact size of the damage no matter how minimal.She is describing "hack" in terms of ramifications.This is concept is almost as silly as attempting to make breaking DRM code illegal without considering the quality of code or logic/math behind it.
For example, I could take code an increment each character.
ie: a =&gt; b, b =&gt; c, ... z =&gt; a. and then call this "DRM".
Now if any pre-teen tries to run this through their decoder ring to "break it"... they get a free pass to jail.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446936</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268313240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Parking privileges are one thing, but this guy took my stapler - he deserved all he got and more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Parking privileges are one thing , but this guy took my stapler - he deserved all he got and more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parking privileges are one thing, but this guy took my stapler - he deserved all he got and more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444828</id>
	<title>sounds like an invitation</title>
	<author>oh-dark-thirty</author>
	<datestamp>1268303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another telling fact from the article is that the security staff and budget have both been cut by upwards of 40\%...no wonder they don't want anybody talking...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another telling fact from the article is that the security staff and budget have both been cut by upwards of 40 \ % ...no wonder they do n't want anybody talking.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another telling fact from the article is that the security staff and budget have both been cut by upwards of 40\%...no wonder they don't want anybody talking...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444434</id>
	<title>He is hitting "legacy" PR control</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1268302560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yep, he is hitting what I call "legacy" PR, which is based on controlling the message.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , he is hitting what I call " legacy " PR , which is based on controlling the message .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, he is hitting what I call "legacy" PR, which is based on controlling the message.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446768</id>
	<title>Re:Spill the rest of the beans</title>
	<author>Kittenman</author>
	<datestamp>1268312460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If I were him, I'd start spilling all the info I ever had on security for the state. No amount of money or threats would stop me.</p></div><p>Tut.  Not sure how it is in your part of the world but some of us sign confidentiality agreements.  I've worked for the British home office, some 30 years ago.  I'm still bound by the "Official Secrets Act" that I signed then.
</p><p>
I'm not saying that some stories shouldn't be blabbed, but we're professionals.  We do what we're paid to.  If we're not happy, move on. But don't air dirty laundry.  Especially not someone else's.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I were him , I 'd start spilling all the info I ever had on security for the state .
No amount of money or threats would stop me.Tut .
Not sure how it is in your part of the world but some of us sign confidentiality agreements .
I 've worked for the British home office , some 30 years ago .
I 'm still bound by the " Official Secrets Act " that I signed then .
I 'm not saying that some stories should n't be blabbed , but we 're professionals .
We do what we 're paid to .
If we 're not happy , move on .
But do n't air dirty laundry .
Especially not someone else 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I were him, I'd start spilling all the info I ever had on security for the state.
No amount of money or threats would stop me.Tut.
Not sure how it is in your part of the world but some of us sign confidentiality agreements.
I've worked for the British home office, some 30 years ago.
I'm still bound by the "Official Secrets Act" that I signed then.
I'm not saying that some stories shouldn't be blabbed, but we're professionals.
We do what we're paid to.
If we're not happy, move on.
But don't air dirty laundry.
Especially not someone else's.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447772</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1268319360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If the CISO treats one rule casually, what is the dolt liable to ignore next?</p></div><p>Not every slope is a slippery one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the CISO treats one rule casually , what is the dolt liable to ignore next ? Not every slope is a slippery one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the CISO treats one rule casually, what is the dolt liable to ignore next?Not every slope is a slippery one.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444352</id>
	<title>Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the story here? He blabbed on a security issue without approval, and got his ass roasted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the story here ?
He blabbed on a security issue without approval , and got his ass roasted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the story here?
He blabbed on a security issue without approval, and got his ass roasted.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445006</id>
	<title>huh-huh-huh</title>
	<author>conspirator57</author>
	<datestamp>1268304540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day , I can tell you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444896</id>
	<title>Cluetrain...</title>
	<author>jacks0n</author>
	<datestamp>1268304060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cluetrain Manifesto.... Dead.  Slashdot Confirms.</p><p>I'm personally not interested in what comes out of any organization's public orifice because it always looks and smells like BS.</p><p>When they shut down their non-public orifices they become more and more useless. They lose value.  real, actual dollars value.</p><p>In a way I'm more worried about this from a public organization because they have a monopoly on governance</p><p>and when they're doing it wrong they can keep doing it wrong a lot longer than a private company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cluetrain Manifesto.... Dead. Slashdot Confirms.I 'm personally not interested in what comes out of any organization 's public orifice because it always looks and smells like BS.When they shut down their non-public orifices they become more and more useless .
They lose value .
real , actual dollars value.In a way I 'm more worried about this from a public organization because they have a monopoly on governanceand when they 're doing it wrong they can keep doing it wrong a lot longer than a private company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cluetrain Manifesto.... Dead.  Slashdot Confirms.I'm personally not interested in what comes out of any organization's public orifice because it always looks and smells like BS.When they shut down their non-public orifices they become more and more useless.
They lose value.
real, actual dollars value.In a way I'm more worried about this from a public organization because they have a monopoly on governanceand when they're doing it wrong they can keep doing it wrong a lot longer than a private company.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447690</id>
	<title>FAILZOr1S!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268318640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">Satan's Dic4 BAnd</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Satan 's Dic4 BAnd [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Satan's Dic4 BAnd [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446058</id>
	<title>First rule</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1268308860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first rule of Commonwealth's online driving exam scheduling system is: You don't talk about Commonwealth's online driving exam scheduling system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first rule of Commonwealth 's online driving exam scheduling system is : You do n't talk about Commonwealth 's online driving exam scheduling system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first rule of Commonwealth's online driving exam scheduling system is: You don't talk about Commonwealth's online driving exam scheduling system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444772</id>
	<title>Re:His story is NOTHING to my story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268303700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(had to make sure I hit the "Post Anonymously" button...)
I'm one of many server administrators for LUTX, the (US) Federal Government IT "swat team" that was put in place during the Clinton Administration.  One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server.  Well, as you can imagine, all hell broke loose and we had to double-slot the uranium deuteride fast on the flip-flop before the Russkies could notice.
I hope I don't get fired for sharing this amazing story with Slashdot</p></div><p>Its times like this that I really want to apply a Post Humously moderation</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( had to make sure I hit the " Post Anonymously " button... ) I 'm one of many server administrators for LUTX , the ( US ) Federal Government IT " swat team " that was put in place during the Clinton Administration .
One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian 's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server .
Well , as you can imagine , all hell broke loose and we had to double-slot the uranium deuteride fast on the flip-flop before the Russkies could notice .
I hope I do n't get fired for sharing this amazing story with SlashdotIts times like this that I really want to apply a Post Humously moderation</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(had to make sure I hit the "Post Anonymously" button...)
I'm one of many server administrators for LUTX, the (US) Federal Government IT "swat team" that was put in place during the Clinton Administration.
One day I was working on a code-blue 456 system using the X-K-Red-27 technique and suddenly a bunch of drunken Canadian's broke in and try to SSH the HTTPS server.
Well, as you can imagine, all hell broke loose and we had to double-slot the uranium deuteride fast on the flip-flop before the Russkies could notice.
I hope I don't get fired for sharing this amazing story with SlashdotIts times like this that I really want to apply a Post Humously moderation
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444332</id>
	<title>DANG TPS Reports..</title>
	<author>Mekkah</author>
	<datestamp>1268302200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Must have not got the memo..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Must have not got the memo. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Must have not got the memo..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445444</id>
	<title>Broke the Golden Rule of Conferences</title>
	<author>BlueBoxSW.com</author>
	<datestamp>1268306400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't he know that you're only supposed to talk at conferences when A) you have something to sell, or B) you're being paid in a round-about way to promote a product while appearing to have no conflicting interest?</p><p>No one does a post-mortem of ACTUAL issues that matter to ACTUAL people, anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't he know that you 're only supposed to talk at conferences when A ) you have something to sell , or B ) you 're being paid in a round-about way to promote a product while appearing to have no conflicting interest ? No one does a post-mortem of ACTUAL issues that matter to ACTUAL people , anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't he know that you're only supposed to talk at conferences when A) you have something to sell, or B) you're being paid in a round-about way to promote a product while appearing to have no conflicting interest?No one does a post-mortem of ACTUAL issues that matter to ACTUAL people, anymore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444528</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1268302800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that I'm surprised he got fired.  I can understand the cause-and-effect that went on at the company.  It's that the policy is stupid, and brings the stuff the spoke about to the attention of a far wider group of people than would have heard about it had he not been fired.   The policy fails to do its job spectacularly.   This failure is amusing to some people, including myself; hence its appearance on Slashdot.  Got it now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that I 'm surprised he got fired .
I can understand the cause-and-effect that went on at the company .
It 's that the policy is stupid , and brings the stuff the spoke about to the attention of a far wider group of people than would have heard about it had he not been fired .
The policy fails to do its job spectacularly .
This failure is amusing to some people , including myself ; hence its appearance on Slashdot .
Got it now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that I'm surprised he got fired.
I can understand the cause-and-effect that went on at the company.
It's that the policy is stupid, and brings the stuff the spoke about to the attention of a far wider group of people than would have heard about it had he not been fired.
The policy fails to do its job spectacularly.
This failure is amusing to some people, including myself; hence its appearance on Slashdot.
Got it now?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447224</id>
	<title>Re:"Lockdown" is the problem with Security</title>
	<author>Securityemo</author>
	<datestamp>1268315100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But to understand that realistic risk assessment requires organizations to huddle together, you need to understand the technical reasons and dynamics of the situation. "Lockdown" seems like a reasonable thing to do, if you have no idea or realistic capacity to learn what you're doing in that dimension, and no money to hire someone for advice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But to understand that realistic risk assessment requires organizations to huddle together , you need to understand the technical reasons and dynamics of the situation .
" Lockdown " seems like a reasonable thing to do , if you have no idea or realistic capacity to learn what you 're doing in that dimension , and no money to hire someone for advice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But to understand that realistic risk assessment requires organizations to huddle together, you need to understand the technical reasons and dynamics of the situation.
"Lockdown" seems like a reasonable thing to do, if you have no idea or realistic capacity to learn what you're doing in that dimension, and no money to hire someone for advice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31450872</id>
	<title>Re:"Lockdown" is the problem with Security</title>
	<author>rahunzi</author>
	<datestamp>1268405040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So right here - PA has it wrong and is retreating into paranoia - it's "locked down" but now EVERYONE knows these guys will not be up-to-date, vulnerable in other words</htmltext>
<tokenext>So right here - PA has it wrong and is retreating into paranoia - it 's " locked down " but now EVERYONE knows these guys will not be up-to-date , vulnerable in other words</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So right here - PA has it wrong and is retreating into paranoia - it's "locked down" but now EVERYONE knows these guys will not be up-to-date, vulnerable in other words</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444616</id>
	<title>Good move dumbasses!</title>
	<author>haruchai</author>
	<datestamp>1268303160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now all your remaining security issues will fix themselves. But, don't worry, I'm sure Robert Maley will be happy to help you out - at 5 times what you were paying him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now all your remaining security issues will fix themselves .
But , do n't worry , I 'm sure Robert Maley will be happy to help you out - at 5 times what you were paying him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now all your remaining security issues will fix themselves.
But, don't worry, I'm sure Robert Maley will be happy to help you out - at 5 times what you were paying him.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447400</id>
	<title>plu5 2, Troll)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268316180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>continues to lose this very moment, that ssuports</htmltext>
<tokenext>continues to lose this very moment , that ssuports</tokentext>
<sentencetext>continues to lose this very moment, that ssuports</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31448432</id>
	<title>Re:His story is NOTHING to my story</title>
	<author>kybred</author>
	<datestamp>1268325900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a bunch of drunken Canadian's</p></div><p>-1: redundant</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a bunch of drunken Canadian 's-1 : redundant</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a bunch of drunken Canadian's-1: redundant
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446300</id>
	<title>Re:"Lockdown" is the problem with Security</title>
	<author>ldconfig</author>
	<datestamp>1268309880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe if we rehired back American coders at a fair wage and enough of them to do the job right instead of paying HB-1 visa imports at poverty wages and work them to near death would help with these issues and our economy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if we rehired back American coders at a fair wage and enough of them to do the job right instead of paying HB-1 visa imports at poverty wages and work them to near death would help with these issues and our economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if we rehired back American coders at a fair wage and enough of them to do the job right instead of paying HB-1 visa imports at poverty wages and work them to near death would help with these issues and our economy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446146</id>
	<title>Re:His story is NOTHING to my story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268309160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jeff, is that you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jeff , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jeff, is that you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444844</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>firewrought</author>
	<datestamp>1268303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What's the story here? He blabbed on a security issue without approval...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
The firing seems heavy-handed. Don't you want your Chief Information <b>Security</b> Officer participating in industry security conferences, selectively sharing the experiences of your organization with security professionals so as to help find long term solutions? Who knows... maybe he shared some sort of special classified/secret/private data that he really ought not to have, but it sounds like good old bureaucracy + control freaks at the top who think it's all about militaristic need-to-know.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the story here ?
He blabbed on a security issue without approval.. . The firing seems heavy-handed .
Do n't you want your Chief Information Security Officer participating in industry security conferences , selectively sharing the experiences of your organization with security professionals so as to help find long term solutions ?
Who knows... maybe he shared some sort of special classified/secret/private data that he really ought not to have , but it sounds like good old bureaucracy + control freaks at the top who think it 's all about militaristic need-to-know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the story here?
He blabbed on a security issue without approval...

The firing seems heavy-handed.
Don't you want your Chief Information Security Officer participating in industry security conferences, selectively sharing the experiences of your organization with security professionals so as to help find long term solutions?
Who knows... maybe he shared some sort of special classified/secret/private data that he really ought not to have, but it sounds like good old bureaucracy + control freaks at the top who think it's all about militaristic need-to-know.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445726</id>
	<title>Re:Cluetrain...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1268307600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"and when they're doing it wrong they can keep doing it wrong a lot longer than a private company."<br>No, private companies do the same thing. It happens in any bureaucracy.</p><p>With a public organization, at least you individual has power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" and when they 're doing it wrong they can keep doing it wrong a lot longer than a private company .
" No , private companies do the same thing .
It happens in any bureaucracy.With a public organization , at least you individual has power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"and when they're doing it wrong they can keep doing it wrong a lot longer than a private company.
"No, private companies do the same thing.
It happens in any bureaucracy.With a public organization, at least you individual has power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31464398</id>
	<title>More info in my journal</title>
	<author>smooth wombat</author>
	<datestamp>1268500440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not trying to karma whore, but I had already written about this in a <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1580910&amp;cid=31454552&amp;art\_pos=1" title="slashdot.org">previous comment</a> [slashdot.org].

<br> <br>

What I have linked to is both the original article from our local paper as well as two other articles from blogs which covered this subject.

<br> <br>

As you can see from some of the comments in the original article, there are those who have some inside information to what went on as well as what type of person he was.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not trying to karma whore , but I had already written about this in a previous comment [ slashdot.org ] .
What I have linked to is both the original article from our local paper as well as two other articles from blogs which covered this subject .
As you can see from some of the comments in the original article , there are those who have some inside information to what went on as well as what type of person he was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not trying to karma whore, but I had already written about this in a previous comment [slashdot.org].
What I have linked to is both the original article from our local paper as well as two other articles from blogs which covered this subject.
As you can see from some of the comments in the original article, there are those who have some inside information to what went on as well as what type of person he was.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445254</id>
	<title>He was fired by Brenda Orth, CIO in the OA</title>
	<author>tlambert</author>
	<datestamp>1268305620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who fired him?</p></div><p>According to public records having to do with reporting structure, he would have been fired by Brenda Orth, CIO (Chief Information Officer) in the OA (Office of Administration, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania).  The reporting chain is easily verifiable using either the Google cached copy of their page, or the Internet Way Back Machine.</p><p>She basically reports to the state Governors staff, so there's no telling how far up hill you'd have to go to find the source of the firing, but as his immediate supervisor, whe would have been the one to pull the trigger.</p><p>-- Terry</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who fired him ? According to public records having to do with reporting structure , he would have been fired by Brenda Orth , CIO ( Chief Information Officer ) in the OA ( Office of Administration , Commonwealth of Pennsylvania ) .
The reporting chain is easily verifiable using either the Google cached copy of their page , or the Internet Way Back Machine.She basically reports to the state Governors staff , so there 's no telling how far up hill you 'd have to go to find the source of the firing , but as his immediate supervisor , whe would have been the one to pull the trigger.-- Terry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who fired him?According to public records having to do with reporting structure, he would have been fired by Brenda Orth, CIO (Chief Information Officer) in the OA (Office of Administration, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania).
The reporting chain is easily verifiable using either the Google cached copy of their page, or the Internet Way Back Machine.She basically reports to the state Governors staff, so there's no telling how far up hill you'd have to go to find the source of the firing, but as his immediate supervisor, whe would have been the one to pull the trigger.-- Terry
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444470</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>djupedal</author>
	<datestamp>1268302620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The 'story' here is actually more of a question.<br>
<br>
If the CISO treats one rule casually, what is the dolt liable to ignore next?<br>
<br>
I'm guessing a list of at least primary concerns wouldn't include abuse of parking privileges...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'story ' here is actually more of a question .
If the CISO treats one rule casually , what is the dolt liable to ignore next ?
I 'm guessing a list of at least primary concerns would n't include abuse of parking privileges.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'story' here is actually more of a question.
If the CISO treats one rule casually, what is the dolt liable to ignore next?
I'm guessing a list of at least primary concerns wouldn't include abuse of parking privileges...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444352</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31449680</id>
	<title>Re:His story is NOTHING to my story</title>
	<author>PearsSoap</author>
	<datestamp>1268390640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Its times like this that I really want to apply a Post Humously moderation</p></div></blockquote><p>Surely you mean Post <i>Humorous</i>?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its times like this that I really want to apply a Post Humously moderationSurely you mean Post Humorous ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its times like this that I really want to apply a Post Humously moderationSurely you mean Post Humorous?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444772</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444388</id>
	<title>Good job...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firing the guy will absolutely convince the public that you've fixed your security problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firing the guy will absolutely convince the public that you 've fixed your security problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firing the guy will absolutely convince the public that you've fixed your security problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445310</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Messenger</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Worked fine using the GRC tool.</p><p>www.grc.com</p><p>Check it out</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Worked fine using the GRC tool.www.grc.comCheck it out</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worked fine using the GRC tool.www.grc.comCheck it out</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444452</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446064</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>dimeglio</author>
	<datestamp>1268308920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I consider him a martyr. How are we to learn anything is no one talks about how they dealt with security issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I consider him a martyr .
How are we to learn anything is no one talks about how they dealt with security issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I consider him a martyr.
How are we to learn anything is no one talks about how they dealt with security issues.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444352</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447314</id>
	<title>Anyone think</title>
	<author>dbrower</author>
	<datestamp>1268315640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The incident may have been a pretense to jettison someone whose departure was desirable for other reasons.   That the budget is being cut might be reason enough to try to offload the (probably) most expensive guy on the payroll.  Maybe he was a squeaky wheel and wanted more security than was determined to be affordable, and just wouldn't shut up about it.   Invent your own possible ulterior motives...
<p>
-dB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The incident may have been a pretense to jettison someone whose departure was desirable for other reasons .
That the budget is being cut might be reason enough to try to offload the ( probably ) most expensive guy on the payroll .
Maybe he was a squeaky wheel and wanted more security than was determined to be affordable , and just would n't shut up about it .
Invent your own possible ulterior motives.. . -dB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The incident may have been a pretense to jettison someone whose departure was desirable for other reasons.
That the budget is being cut might be reason enough to try to offload the (probably) most expensive guy on the payroll.
Maybe he was a squeaky wheel and wanted more security than was determined to be affordable, and just wouldn't shut up about it.
Invent your own possible ulterior motives...

-dB</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444720</id>
	<title>Easy fix?</title>
	<author>Shadyman</author>
	<datestamp>1268303520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA: <i>Over the past 18 months to two years, the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38\%, and staff by 40\%. They also put a "lockdown" on talking about cybersecurity, the source claimed.</i> <br> <br>So instead of paying people to fix our security holes, we're just not allowed to talk about them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Over the past 18 months to two years , the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38 \ % , and staff by 40 \ % .
They also put a " lockdown " on talking about cybersecurity , the source claimed .
So instead of paying people to fix our security holes , we 're just not allowed to talk about them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: Over the past 18 months to two years, the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38\%, and staff by 40\%.
They also put a "lockdown" on talking about cybersecurity, the source claimed.
So instead of paying people to fix our security holes, we're just not allowed to talk about them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31448904</id>
	<title>Re:Easy fix?</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1268333460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a case of "<i>see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil</i>"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a case of " see no evil , hear no evil , speak no evil "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a case of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444720</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444556</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really don't see the story? This is a security breach involving a <b>public</b> computer system. That is, a system paid for by <b>taxpayers</b> and affecting said taxpayers.</p><p><b>THERE SHOULD BE NO SECRETS WHEN TAXPAYERS' MONEY IS INVOLVED.</b></p><p>Any and all information about a breach like this needs to be public immediately.</p><p><b>SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED TO GET "AUTHORIZATION" BEFORE DISCLOSING IT.</b></p><p>Is that clear enough for you? Sheesh, it's no wonder America's in such a sad state these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really do n't see the story ?
This is a security breach involving a public computer system .
That is , a system paid for by taxpayers and affecting said taxpayers.THERE SHOULD BE NO SECRETS WHEN TAXPAYERS ' MONEY IS INVOLVED.Any and all information about a breach like this needs to be public immediately.SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED TO GET " AUTHORIZATION " BEFORE DISCLOSING IT.Is that clear enough for you ?
Sheesh , it 's no wonder America 's in such a sad state these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really don't see the story?
This is a security breach involving a public computer system.
That is, a system paid for by taxpayers and affecting said taxpayers.THERE SHOULD BE NO SECRETS WHEN TAXPAYERS' MONEY IS INVOLVED.Any and all information about a breach like this needs to be public immediately.SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED TO GET "AUTHORIZATION" BEFORE DISCLOSING IT.Is that clear enough for you?
Sheesh, it's no wonder America's in such a sad state these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447356</id>
	<title>The story is that blabbing is a good thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268315940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The story is that it is extremely undesirable for that to be the policy.  It is in the public interest that government employees blab a lot, especially about things that have gone wrong.</p><p>BTW, it's the same where I live, in New Mexico.  Only the Ministry of Truth (actually, I think the title is something else, "Public Relations") is allowed to say anything publicly.  Any grunt who happens to know about massive, overwhelming inefficiencies or incompetence, isn't allowed to talk to the press.  That's a firing offense and I can't imagine how many millions of dollars per year it is costing the taxpayers; I just know how much I hear off-the-record you-can't-quote-me-or-I'll-be-fired from just one person alone (my girlfriend, a state employee).  Really hurts because I work for the press.  Every few weeks she tells me mindblowing stuff that the public never finds out about, and would be insanely furious if they did.</p><p>The amount of money being wasted is just amazing.  Seriously, if only you knew.  And they claim to have budget problems!!</p><p>The government is made of cockroaches and badly in need of light.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is that it is extremely undesirable for that to be the policy .
It is in the public interest that government employees blab a lot , especially about things that have gone wrong.BTW , it 's the same where I live , in New Mexico .
Only the Ministry of Truth ( actually , I think the title is something else , " Public Relations " ) is allowed to say anything publicly .
Any grunt who happens to know about massive , overwhelming inefficiencies or incompetence , is n't allowed to talk to the press .
That 's a firing offense and I ca n't imagine how many millions of dollars per year it is costing the taxpayers ; I just know how much I hear off-the-record you-ca n't-quote-me-or-I 'll-be-fired from just one person alone ( my girlfriend , a state employee ) .
Really hurts because I work for the press .
Every few weeks she tells me mindblowing stuff that the public never finds out about , and would be insanely furious if they did.The amount of money being wasted is just amazing .
Seriously , if only you knew .
And they claim to have budget problems !
! The government is made of cockroaches and badly in need of light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story is that it is extremely undesirable for that to be the policy.
It is in the public interest that government employees blab a lot, especially about things that have gone wrong.BTW, it's the same where I live, in New Mexico.
Only the Ministry of Truth (actually, I think the title is something else, "Public Relations") is allowed to say anything publicly.
Any grunt who happens to know about massive, overwhelming inefficiencies or incompetence, isn't allowed to talk to the press.
That's a firing offense and I can't imagine how many millions of dollars per year it is costing the taxpayers; I just know how much I hear off-the-record you-can't-quote-me-or-I'll-be-fired from just one person alone (my girlfriend, a state employee).
Really hurts because I work for the press.
Every few weeks she tells me mindblowing stuff that the public never finds out about, and would be insanely furious if they did.The amount of money being wasted is just amazing.
Seriously, if only you knew.
And they claim to have budget problems!
!The government is made of cockroaches and badly in need of light.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444352</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447510</id>
	<title>Re:Spill the rest of the beans</title>
	<author>Securityemo</author>
	<datestamp>1268317020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree partially, but as a state employee you should only do so if you believe that your actions would benefit the overall organization/the people. The (perceived) narcissism of the managers above you does not factor into it; if they are so destructive, you have a civic duty to do something about it before getting fired. Just dumping "any and every item" is, well, treason if it's not just childish and useless shit-flinging. And I can't believe someone competent would willingly work in public sector security outside three-letter-agencies and not have this mindset.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree partially , but as a state employee you should only do so if you believe that your actions would benefit the overall organization/the people .
The ( perceived ) narcissism of the managers above you does not factor into it ; if they are so destructive , you have a civic duty to do something about it before getting fired .
Just dumping " any and every item " is , well , treason if it 's not just childish and useless shit-flinging .
And I ca n't believe someone competent would willingly work in public sector security outside three-letter-agencies and not have this mindset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree partially, but as a state employee you should only do so if you believe that your actions would benefit the overall organization/the people.
The (perceived) narcissism of the managers above you does not factor into it; if they are so destructive, you have a civic duty to do something about it before getting fired.
Just dumping "any and every item" is, well, treason if it's not just childish and useless shit-flinging.
And I can't believe someone competent would willingly work in public sector security outside three-letter-agencies and not have this mindset.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444738</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444812</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268303820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You really don't see the story? This is a security breach involving a <b>public</b> computer system THERE SHOULD BE NO SECRETS WHEN TAXPAYERS' MONEY IS INVOLVED.</p></div><p>Do you really want the taxpayers having the root password?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You really do n't see the story ?
This is a security breach involving a public computer system THERE SHOULD BE NO SECRETS WHEN TAXPAYERS ' MONEY IS INVOLVED.Do you really want the taxpayers having the root password ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really don't see the story?
This is a security breach involving a public computer system THERE SHOULD BE NO SECRETS WHEN TAXPAYERS' MONEY IS INVOLVED.Do you really want the taxpayers having the root password?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444556</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444716</id>
	<title>The key paragraph</title>
	<author>Wintermute\_\_</author>
	<datestamp>1268303520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The important paragraph in TFA:</p><p>"Maley's dismissal comes amid ongoing budget and staff cuts at Pennsylvania's IT security organization, the source said. Over the past 18 months to two years, the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38\%, and staff by 40\%. They also put a "lockdown" on talking about cybersecurity, the source claimed."</p><p>Now there's a good plan:  If you don't talk about it, no one will know you have a problem, and you can save all that money you were spending on those annoying security types.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The important paragraph in TFA : " Maley 's dismissal comes amid ongoing budget and staff cuts at Pennsylvania 's IT security organization , the source said .
Over the past 18 months to two years , the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38 \ % , and staff by 40 \ % .
They also put a " lockdown " on talking about cybersecurity , the source claimed .
" Now there 's a good plan : If you do n't talk about it , no one will know you have a problem , and you can save all that money you were spending on those annoying security types .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The important paragraph in TFA:"Maley's dismissal comes amid ongoing budget and staff cuts at Pennsylvania's IT security organization, the source said.
Over the past 18 months to two years, the administration has cut information security budgets by close to 38\%, and staff by 40\%.
They also put a "lockdown" on talking about cybersecurity, the source claimed.
"Now there's a good plan:  If you don't talk about it, no one will know you have a problem, and you can save all that money you were spending on those annoying security types.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31445692</id>
	<title>Re:Spill the rest of the beans</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1268307480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"No amount of money or threats would stop me."</p><p>You hold onto that thought when no one will hire you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" No amount of money or threats would stop me .
" You hold onto that thought when no one will hire you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No amount of money or threats would stop me.
"You hold onto that thought when no one will hire you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31444738</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31448190</id>
	<title>orifice cluetrain manifesto?</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1268322900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm personally not interested in what comes out of <b>any organization's public orifice</b> because it always looks and smells like BS.</p></div></blockquote><p>You are totally right, I'm also not personally interested what comes out of any organizations public ORIFICE. It's smelly business at its finest!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm personally not interested in what comes out of any organization 's public orifice because it always looks and smells like BS.You are totally right , I 'm also not personally interested what comes out of any organizations public ORIFICE .
It 's smelly business at its finest !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm personally not interested in what comes out of any organization's public orifice because it always looks and smells like BS.You are totally right, I'm also not personally interested what comes out of any organizations public ORIFICE.
It's smelly business at its finest!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31447696</id>
	<title>Re:Motormouth failed his talking test?</title>
	<author>dreamchaser</author>
	<datestamp>1268318700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The shareholders (taxpayers) have a right to know such information.  If it were a private company I'd maybe agree with you, but this is different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The shareholders ( taxpayers ) have a right to know such information .
If it were a private company I 'd maybe agree with you , but this is different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The shareholders (taxpayers) have a right to know such information.
If it were a private company I'd maybe agree with you, but this is different.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31446976</id>
	<title>Re:Cluetrain...</title>
	<author>/dev/trash</author>
	<datestamp>1268313480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are still buying into that crap?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are still buying into that crap ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are still buying into that crap?</sentencetext>
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	<title>reasonable?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seeing as careless talk can lead to image problems and/or lawsuits (or harming your case if prosecuting them). If you're in a senior position and you talk publicly in a work-related context, you talk on behalf of the organisation whether you intend to or not. OTOH if you are "blowing the whistle" on wrongdoing, there is a specific procedure for that which offers protection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeing as careless talk can lead to image problems and/or lawsuits ( or harming your case if prosecuting them ) .
If you 're in a senior position and you talk publicly in a work-related context , you talk on behalf of the organisation whether you intend to or not .
OTOH if you are " blowing the whistle " on wrongdoing , there is a specific procedure for that which offers protection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeing as careless talk can lead to image problems and/or lawsuits (or harming your case if prosecuting them).
If you're in a senior position and you talk publicly in a work-related context, you talk on behalf of the organisation whether you intend to or not.
OTOH if you are "blowing the whistle" on wrongdoing, there is a specific procedure for that which offers protection.</sentencetext>
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	<title>hmm</title>
	<author>snmpkid</author>
	<datestamp>1268302620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are they hiring now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they hiring now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they hiring now?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_2017223.31451968</id>
	<title>security conference</title>
	<author>mzs</author>
	<datestamp>1268410980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went to one geared towards security for people in physics. Essentially only the people from CERN were willing to give talks where they discussed actual incidents. Everyone from DOE labs was unable. I had the sense that other labs were under rules like that as well. It was ridiculous because of that nothing could be shared, hence nothing could be learned. We were all admin types at the labs, it was not open to the public or anything of that sort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to one geared towards security for people in physics .
Essentially only the people from CERN were willing to give talks where they discussed actual incidents .
Everyone from DOE labs was unable .
I had the sense that other labs were under rules like that as well .
It was ridiculous because of that nothing could be shared , hence nothing could be learned .
We were all admin types at the labs , it was not open to the public or anything of that sort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to one geared towards security for people in physics.
Essentially only the people from CERN were willing to give talks where they discussed actual incidents.
Everyone from DOE labs was unable.
I had the sense that other labs were under rules like that as well.
It was ridiculous because of that nothing could be shared, hence nothing could be learned.
We were all admin types at the labs, it was not open to the public or anything of that sort.</sentencetext>
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