<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_11_193209</id>
	<title>T-Mobile's First HSPA+ Modem Goes On Sale Sunday</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268295840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>adeelarshad82 writes <i>"T-Mobile announced that the webConnect Rocket USB Laptop Stick, the first <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High\_Speed\_Packet\_Access">HSPA+</a> device for the US, will be <a href="http://www.gearlog.com/2010/03/t-mobile\_targets\_march\_14\_for.php">available beginning on Sunday, March 14</a>. The device was originally announced at MWC in February. HSPA+ is interesting because it could enable <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2353300,00.asp">4G LTE-like speeds using existing 3G infrastructure</a> and <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359139,00.asp">according to a hands-on, it smokes Wi-Max</a>. Right now, it's still just for Philadelphia, although we should see several major cities light up with HSPA+ on both coasts well before the end of 2010."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>adeelarshad82 writes " T-Mobile announced that the webConnect Rocket USB Laptop Stick , the first HSPA + device for the US , will be available beginning on Sunday , March 14 .
The device was originally announced at MWC in February .
HSPA + is interesting because it could enable 4G LTE-like speeds using existing 3G infrastructure and according to a hands-on , it smokes Wi-Max .
Right now , it 's still just for Philadelphia , although we should see several major cities light up with HSPA + on both coasts well before the end of 2010 .
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<sentencetext>adeelarshad82 writes "T-Mobile announced that the webConnect Rocket USB Laptop Stick, the first HSPA+ device for the US, will be available beginning on Sunday, March 14.
The device was originally announced at MWC in February.
HSPA+ is interesting because it could enable 4G LTE-like speeds using existing 3G infrastructure and according to a hands-on, it smokes Wi-Max.
Right now, it's still just for Philadelphia, although we should see several major cities light up with HSPA+ on both coasts well before the end of 2010.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444498</id>
	<title>Is that a rocket in your pocket?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that a rocket in your pocket? Or are you just happy to see me?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that a rocket in your pocket ?
Or are you just happy to see me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that a rocket in your pocket?
Or are you just happy to see me?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445256</id>
	<title>Re:Portugal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US have huge population centers as well. All of Germany has only five times as many inhabitants as the New York City metropolitan area. The population density of New York City is 50 times as high as the population density of Germany. Even Los Angeles with its west coast sprawl has 15 times the population density of Germany (and more than 15\% its population). When you have as much as a third of the population of Germany living in just two cities with an area smaller than Belgium, sparsity isn't the problem. You won't get coverage everywhere, but you only need it where the people are. Most of the people in the US live in areas with higher population densities than European countries which have almost 100\% coverage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US have huge population centers as well .
All of Germany has only five times as many inhabitants as the New York City metropolitan area .
The population density of New York City is 50 times as high as the population density of Germany .
Even Los Angeles with its west coast sprawl has 15 times the population density of Germany ( and more than 15 \ % its population ) .
When you have as much as a third of the population of Germany living in just two cities with an area smaller than Belgium , sparsity is n't the problem .
You wo n't get coverage everywhere , but you only need it where the people are .
Most of the people in the US live in areas with higher population densities than European countries which have almost 100 \ % coverage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US have huge population centers as well.
All of Germany has only five times as many inhabitants as the New York City metropolitan area.
The population density of New York City is 50 times as high as the population density of Germany.
Even Los Angeles with its west coast sprawl has 15 times the population density of Germany (and more than 15\% its population).
When you have as much as a third of the population of Germany living in just two cities with an area smaller than Belgium, sparsity isn't the problem.
You won't get coverage everywhere, but you only need it where the people are.
Most of the people in the US live in areas with higher population densities than European countries which have almost 100\% coverage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31443770</id>
	<title>Vs. Sprint's WiMax/4G</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268300460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sprint is supposedly rolling out WiMax to even more cities this year. Does anyone know their timeline? I'd think that getting a decent 4G presence earlier would help them fight off this newer, faster offering. The fact that it's unlimited is a big plus too. I'd be happy with either one around me, but preferably both!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sprint is supposedly rolling out WiMax to even more cities this year .
Does anyone know their timeline ?
I 'd think that getting a decent 4G presence earlier would help them fight off this newer , faster offering .
The fact that it 's unlimited is a big plus too .
I 'd be happy with either one around me , but preferably both !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sprint is supposedly rolling out WiMax to even more cities this year.
Does anyone know their timeline?
I'd think that getting a decent 4G presence earlier would help them fight off this newer, faster offering.
The fact that it's unlimited is a big plus too.
I'd be happy with either one around me, but preferably both!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444586</id>
	<title>Re:Portugal</title>
	<author>jimduchek</author>
	<datestamp>1268303040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with the US market when it comes to broadband, wireless tech, etc vs. Europe or Japan is population density.  US cities (It's an American mentality, I suppose) tend to sprawl out, and most of the country is rural, but still fairly populated.  Most countries have a higher density (the US is 178th), and most of the non-3rd-world ones that are lower (Canada, Russia, Brazil, etc) have large areas that are entirely unpopulated (and thus don't need to be taken into account for density when it comes to rolling out tech).  Not to mention the US is freakin' huge to begin with -- Portugal is a little smaller than Maine, our 38th biggest state.  But with a population of 10 million, that's more than Michigan, our 8th most populous state.  Rolling out a technology here in the US requires an \_enormous\_ outlay of cash because of the area that needs to be covered in order to cover enough people to make it worthwhile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with the US market when it comes to broadband , wireless tech , etc vs. Europe or Japan is population density .
US cities ( It 's an American mentality , I suppose ) tend to sprawl out , and most of the country is rural , but still fairly populated .
Most countries have a higher density ( the US is 178th ) , and most of the non-3rd-world ones that are lower ( Canada , Russia , Brazil , etc ) have large areas that are entirely unpopulated ( and thus do n't need to be taken into account for density when it comes to rolling out tech ) .
Not to mention the US is freakin ' huge to begin with -- Portugal is a little smaller than Maine , our 38th biggest state .
But with a population of 10 million , that 's more than Michigan , our 8th most populous state .
Rolling out a technology here in the US requires an \ _enormous \ _ outlay of cash because of the area that needs to be covered in order to cover enough people to make it worthwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with the US market when it comes to broadband, wireless tech, etc vs. Europe or Japan is population density.
US cities (It's an American mentality, I suppose) tend to sprawl out, and most of the country is rural, but still fairly populated.
Most countries have a higher density (the US is 178th), and most of the non-3rd-world ones that are lower (Canada, Russia, Brazil, etc) have large areas that are entirely unpopulated (and thus don't need to be taken into account for density when it comes to rolling out tech).
Not to mention the US is freakin' huge to begin with -- Portugal is a little smaller than Maine, our 38th biggest state.
But with a population of 10 million, that's more than Michigan, our 8th most populous state.
Rolling out a technology here in the US requires an \_enormous\_ outlay of cash because of the area that needs to be covered in order to cover enough people to make it worthwhile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444818</id>
	<title>5GB?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268303820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yay!  Now I can burn through my monthly allotment in 33 minutes and 20 seconds, and incur overage charges at 50 cents a minute for the remaining 43,167.67 minutes of the month!</p><p>Does speed really matter if your monthly allotment is that low?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yay !
Now I can burn through my monthly allotment in 33 minutes and 20 seconds , and incur overage charges at 50 cents a minute for the remaining 43,167.67 minutes of the month ! Does speed really matter if your monthly allotment is that low ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yay!
Now I can burn through my monthly allotment in 33 minutes and 20 seconds, and incur overage charges at 50 cents a minute for the remaining 43,167.67 minutes of the month!Does speed really matter if your monthly allotment is that low?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444754</id>
	<title>5GB cap ruins it though.</title>
	<author>lazn</author>
	<datestamp>1268303640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with a 5GB cap and 60c/mb after that makes it a so what.</p><p>(Like having a fast car with a half gallon tank.. you can beat anyone in a race for half a block, after that a geo metro is faster)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with a 5GB cap and 60c/mb after that makes it a so what .
( Like having a fast car with a half gallon tank.. you can beat anyone in a race for half a block , after that a geo metro is faster )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with a 5GB cap and 60c/mb after that makes it a so what.
(Like having a fast car with a half gallon tank.. you can beat anyone in a race for half a block, after that a geo metro is faster)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444776</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268303700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I think the people running the US decided some time ago that they didn't want to invest in infrastructure.  I'm really not sure what the plan here is, but I'm guessing it's "Milk this place for everything it's worth and jump ship just as it's going down the tubes."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I think the people running the US decided some time ago that they did n't want to invest in infrastructure .
I 'm really not sure what the plan here is , but I 'm guessing it 's " Milk this place for everything it 's worth and jump ship just as it 's going down the tubes .
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<sentencetext>Well I think the people running the US decided some time ago that they didn't want to invest in infrastructure.
I'm really not sure what the plan here is, but I'm guessing it's "Milk this place for everything it's worth and jump ship just as it's going down the tubes.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445124</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>tlhIngan</author>
	<datestamp>1268305020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>HSPA+ rollout in Canada was hurried along by Bell and Telus, who wanted to have GSM-compatible networks in place when the world showed up to Vancouver for a few weeks, not long ago. Could you imagine the stink if Van got the hot new toys while Montreal and Toronto and Calgary had to suffer with the old tech?</p></div></blockquote><p>Because otherwise, Rogers would get all the heavily sought-after roaming minutes. CDMA just isn't used that widely outside of North America. And with Bell being an Olympic sponsor, that would mean the vast majority of the cash from calls goes to Rogers, one of their competitors. And nothing sucks worse than paying for something, only to benefit your competitor.</p><p>It was due anyhow, as CDMA has no 4G migration. GSM has LTE, and the other 4G technology is possibly WiMax. Sprint's going WiMax, Verizon's LTE (as is T-Mo and AT&amp;T). But if it weren't for the Olympics, there'd be no reason to rush out a 3G network.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>HSPA + rollout in Canada was hurried along by Bell and Telus , who wanted to have GSM-compatible networks in place when the world showed up to Vancouver for a few weeks , not long ago .
Could you imagine the stink if Van got the hot new toys while Montreal and Toronto and Calgary had to suffer with the old tech ? Because otherwise , Rogers would get all the heavily sought-after roaming minutes .
CDMA just is n't used that widely outside of North America .
And with Bell being an Olympic sponsor , that would mean the vast majority of the cash from calls goes to Rogers , one of their competitors .
And nothing sucks worse than paying for something , only to benefit your competitor.It was due anyhow , as CDMA has no 4G migration .
GSM has LTE , and the other 4G technology is possibly WiMax .
Sprint 's going WiMax , Verizon 's LTE ( as is T-Mo and AT&amp;T ) .
But if it were n't for the Olympics , there 'd be no reason to rush out a 3G network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HSPA+ rollout in Canada was hurried along by Bell and Telus, who wanted to have GSM-compatible networks in place when the world showed up to Vancouver for a few weeks, not long ago.
Could you imagine the stink if Van got the hot new toys while Montreal and Toronto and Calgary had to suffer with the old tech?Because otherwise, Rogers would get all the heavily sought-after roaming minutes.
CDMA just isn't used that widely outside of North America.
And with Bell being an Olympic sponsor, that would mean the vast majority of the cash from calls goes to Rogers, one of their competitors.
And nothing sucks worse than paying for something, only to benefit your competitor.It was due anyhow, as CDMA has no 4G migration.
GSM has LTE, and the other 4G technology is possibly WiMax.
Sprint's going WiMax, Verizon's LTE (as is T-Mo and AT&amp;T).
But if it weren't for the Olympics, there'd be no reason to rush out a 3G network.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445484</id>
	<title>HSPA+ is not HSDPA</title>
	<author>Erich</author>
	<datestamp>1268306580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The GSM side of 3G standards has many different upgrades to the basic WCDMA air interface:<ul>
<li> HSDPA: 7.2 MBit/sec downlink</li>
<li> HSUPA: 5MBit/sec uplink</li>
<li> HSPA+: 21 MBit/sec - 48 MBit/sec downlink</li>
</ul><p>
The most interesting thing is that HSPA+ is getting close to the same efficiency (bits/Hz) as LTE; 21MBit/sec in a 5MHz channel vs. 100MBit/sec in a 20MHz channel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The GSM side of 3G standards has many different upgrades to the basic WCDMA air interface : HSDPA : 7.2 MBit/sec downlink HSUPA : 5MBit/sec uplink HSPA + : 21 MBit/sec - 48 MBit/sec downlink The most interesting thing is that HSPA + is getting close to the same efficiency ( bits/Hz ) as LTE ; 21MBit/sec in a 5MHz channel vs. 100MBit/sec in a 20MHz channel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GSM side of 3G standards has many different upgrades to the basic WCDMA air interface:
 HSDPA: 7.2 MBit/sec downlink
 HSUPA: 5MBit/sec uplink
 HSPA+: 21 MBit/sec - 48 MBit/sec downlink

The most interesting thing is that HSPA+ is getting close to the same efficiency (bits/Hz) as LTE; 21MBit/sec in a 5MHz channel vs. 100MBit/sec in a 20MHz channel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31446328</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>atamido</author>
	<datestamp>1268310060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm. It was everywhere.</p></div><p> I got my first Visa check card in late 1997, in the USA, and I knew many people that had one way before me.  After that, I don't recall ever using cash outside of fast food places.  Perhaps where you lived was just behind the times?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm .
It was everywhere .
I got my first Visa check card in late 1997 , in the USA , and I knew many people that had one way before me .
After that , I do n't recall ever using cash outside of fast food places .
Perhaps where you lived was just behind the times ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm.
It was everywhere.
I got my first Visa check card in late 1997, in the USA, and I knew many people that had one way before me.
After that, I don't recall ever using cash outside of fast food places.
Perhaps where you lived was just behind the times?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31448230</id>
	<title>DC network ramping up already?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been seeing 3.5G on my N900 in northern VA/DC several times in the past month. While the N900 is interface limited to 10/2 or so, it does have 3.5 tech.</p><p>Its distict from the 3G icon but limited to whatever area I notice it in and happen to have it open at the time. Since I'm only around the beltway when I'm at work theres no time to test a bunch of heavy browsing, let alone running a speed test to confirm their stuff is really up or just sending the signals that let my phone know its there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been seeing 3.5G on my N900 in northern VA/DC several times in the past month .
While the N900 is interface limited to 10/2 or so , it does have 3.5 tech.Its distict from the 3G icon but limited to whatever area I notice it in and happen to have it open at the time .
Since I 'm only around the beltway when I 'm at work theres no time to test a bunch of heavy browsing , let alone running a speed test to confirm their stuff is really up or just sending the signals that let my phone know its there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been seeing 3.5G on my N900 in northern VA/DC several times in the past month.
While the N900 is interface limited to 10/2 or so, it does have 3.5 tech.Its distict from the 3G icon but limited to whatever area I notice it in and happen to have it open at the time.
Since I'm only around the beltway when I'm at work theres no time to test a bunch of heavy browsing, let alone running a speed test to confirm their stuff is really up or just sending the signals that let my phone know its there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444798</id>
	<title>4G speed except for the cap</title>
	<author>theskipper</author>
	<datestamp>1268303760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IIRC, Sprint's 4G is being advertised as "unlimited" (usual caveats apply) where this isn't.  Now that the majority of Joe Consumers are actually consuming more than email (i.e. mobile video, etc.), it'll be interesting to see how the networks respond with their marketing.</p><p>From the gearlog link:<br><i>The webConnect Rocket USB Laptop Stick retails for $99.99 with a two-year contract and an Even More webConnect data plan. $60 per month gets you 5GB, while $30 gets you just 200MB; both charge 20 cents per megabyte over that. Another new option, Even More Plus webConnect, drops the annual contract and lowers the monthly prices by $10 in each case, but raises the up-front price of the modem.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC , Sprint 's 4G is being advertised as " unlimited " ( usual caveats apply ) where this is n't .
Now that the majority of Joe Consumers are actually consuming more than email ( i.e .
mobile video , etc .
) , it 'll be interesting to see how the networks respond with their marketing.From the gearlog link : The webConnect Rocket USB Laptop Stick retails for $ 99.99 with a two-year contract and an Even More webConnect data plan .
$ 60 per month gets you 5GB , while $ 30 gets you just 200MB ; both charge 20 cents per megabyte over that .
Another new option , Even More Plus webConnect , drops the annual contract and lowers the monthly prices by $ 10 in each case , but raises the up-front price of the modem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC, Sprint's 4G is being advertised as "unlimited" (usual caveats apply) where this isn't.
Now that the majority of Joe Consumers are actually consuming more than email (i.e.
mobile video, etc.
), it'll be interesting to see how the networks respond with their marketing.From the gearlog link:The webConnect Rocket USB Laptop Stick retails for $99.99 with a two-year contract and an Even More webConnect data plan.
$60 per month gets you 5GB, while $30 gets you just 200MB; both charge 20 cents per megabyte over that.
Another new option, Even More Plus webConnect, drops the annual contract and lowers the monthly prices by $10 in each case, but raises the up-front price of the modem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31447684</id>
	<title>Cincinnati Bell has an HSPA device (since 06/09)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268318640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actual, this is not the first device.  Cincinati Bell is offeing iCon 452, (since last June), and it is HSPA.  In several speed test, it tested out faster then there DSL offering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actual , this is not the first device .
Cincinati Bell is offeing iCon 452 , ( since last June ) , and it is HSPA .
In several speed test , it tested out faster then there DSL offering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actual, this is not the first device.
Cincinati Bell is offeing iCon 452, (since last June), and it is HSPA.
In several speed test, it tested out faster then there DSL offering.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445010</id>
	<title>Re:Portugal</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1268304540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>HSPA+ has actually been rolled out already by AT&amp;T.. that's the 7.2Mb/s you hear in ads all the time. The problem with HSPA+ is the same problem GSM has always had.

The original voice/2G protocols ran on 1.25MHz down, 1.25MHz up channels. The CDMA folks (Verizon and Sprint) run EvDO Rev A, which does 3.1Mb/s down, peak, on these same channels. This is why virtually every CDMA cell in the USA is 3G.

The original HSPA wants 5MHz up and 5MHz down, to deliver 3.6Mb/s downlinks. Unfortunately, this demanded all new spectrum and hardware. So this, among other issues, it why only about 20\% (by area) of the AT&amp;T cells do 3G.

HSPA+ works by pairing two separate cells on the same tower. You get 7.2Mb/s downloads, peak, but this requires 20MHz of bandwidth. So there are plenty of locales, in the USA, in which you Telco of choice simply doesn't own that spectrum. AT&amp;T has announced they'll have 40-50 cities on HSPA+ this summer. They're waiting for 2011 for an LTE rollout, on their 12MHz chunk of the 700MHz spectrum.

Verizon is also going to LTE, and claims they'll have 30-40 cities covered when they go hot this summer. We'll see. They have a 20MHz chunk of the 700MHz spectrum in the USA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>HSPA + has actually been rolled out already by AT&amp;T.. that 's the 7.2Mb/s you hear in ads all the time .
The problem with HSPA + is the same problem GSM has always had .
The original voice/2G protocols ran on 1.25MHz down , 1.25MHz up channels .
The CDMA folks ( Verizon and Sprint ) run EvDO Rev A , which does 3.1Mb/s down , peak , on these same channels .
This is why virtually every CDMA cell in the USA is 3G .
The original HSPA wants 5MHz up and 5MHz down , to deliver 3.6Mb/s downlinks .
Unfortunately , this demanded all new spectrum and hardware .
So this , among other issues , it why only about 20 \ % ( by area ) of the AT&amp;T cells do 3G .
HSPA + works by pairing two separate cells on the same tower .
You get 7.2Mb/s downloads , peak , but this requires 20MHz of bandwidth .
So there are plenty of locales , in the USA , in which you Telco of choice simply does n't own that spectrum .
AT&amp;T has announced they 'll have 40-50 cities on HSPA + this summer .
They 're waiting for 2011 for an LTE rollout , on their 12MHz chunk of the 700MHz spectrum .
Verizon is also going to LTE , and claims they 'll have 30-40 cities covered when they go hot this summer .
We 'll see .
They have a 20MHz chunk of the 700MHz spectrum in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HSPA+ has actually been rolled out already by AT&amp;T.. that's the 7.2Mb/s you hear in ads all the time.
The problem with HSPA+ is the same problem GSM has always had.
The original voice/2G protocols ran on 1.25MHz down, 1.25MHz up channels.
The CDMA folks (Verizon and Sprint) run EvDO Rev A, which does 3.1Mb/s down, peak, on these same channels.
This is why virtually every CDMA cell in the USA is 3G.
The original HSPA wants 5MHz up and 5MHz down, to deliver 3.6Mb/s downlinks.
Unfortunately, this demanded all new spectrum and hardware.
So this, among other issues, it why only about 20\% (by area) of the AT&amp;T cells do 3G.
HSPA+ works by pairing two separate cells on the same tower.
You get 7.2Mb/s downloads, peak, but this requires 20MHz of bandwidth.
So there are plenty of locales, in the USA, in which you Telco of choice simply doesn't own that spectrum.
AT&amp;T has announced they'll have 40-50 cities on HSPA+ this summer.
They're waiting for 2011 for an LTE rollout, on their 12MHz chunk of the 700MHz spectrum.
Verizon is also going to LTE, and claims they'll have 30-40 cities covered when they go hot this summer.
We'll see.
They have a 20MHz chunk of the 700MHz spectrum in the USA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31448776</id>
	<title>To cap or not to cap</title>
	<author>sjpm</author>
	<datestamp>1268330880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guess I will stick with my unlimited EDGE for $20/month then, TMO. It may only be a pathetic 20kbyte/sec or so but I can do that speed all month long for $20, no caps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess I will stick with my unlimited EDGE for $ 20/month then , TMO .
It may only be a pathetic 20kbyte/sec or so but I can do that speed all month long for $ 20 , no caps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess I will stick with my unlimited EDGE for $20/month then, TMO.
It may only be a pathetic 20kbyte/sec or so but I can do that speed all month long for $20, no caps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444494</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually you guys get tons of tech before we do. I remember being in a McDonalds in Toronto 10 years ago and being asked "Cash or Card eh?" I was like "what? Er... Cash." I was amazed... Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm. It was everywhere.

Meanwhile for the next 4 years or so in the US of A we all still had to carry around cash.

Hats off to you folks for embracing technology!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually you guys get tons of tech before we do .
I remember being in a McDonalds in Toronto 10 years ago and being asked " Cash or Card eh ?
" I was like " what ?
Er... Cash .
" I was amazed... Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm .
It was everywhere .
Meanwhile for the next 4 years or so in the US of A we all still had to carry around cash .
Hats off to you folks for embracing technology !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually you guys get tons of tech before we do.
I remember being in a McDonalds in Toronto 10 years ago and being asked "Cash or Card eh?
" I was like "what?
Er... Cash.
" I was amazed... Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm.
It was everywhere.
Meanwhile for the next 4 years or so in the US of A we all still had to carry around cash.
Hats off to you folks for embracing technology!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445058</id>
	<title>Re:My first first?</title>
	<author>bsa3</author>
	<datestamp>1268304720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Outside the M25? Could be ages.</p><p>Then again, T-Mobile's US UMTS network is practically nonexistent. Take Boston as an example: they've got 3G inside 495, except for a large number of inexplicable nulls and EDGE-only areas. Then you go from Worcester to Springfield and it's EDGE only. 2G coverage for a 4G world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Outside the M25 ?
Could be ages.Then again , T-Mobile 's US UMTS network is practically nonexistent .
Take Boston as an example : they 've got 3G inside 495 , except for a large number of inexplicable nulls and EDGE-only areas .
Then you go from Worcester to Springfield and it 's EDGE only .
2G coverage for a 4G world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outside the M25?
Could be ages.Then again, T-Mobile's US UMTS network is practically nonexistent.
Take Boston as an example: they've got 3G inside 495, except for a large number of inexplicable nulls and EDGE-only areas.
Then you go from Worcester to Springfield and it's EDGE only.
2G coverage for a 4G world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445562</id>
	<title>Re:My first first?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268306820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We actually have better in the UK...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We actually have better in the UK.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We actually have better in the UK...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31447914</id>
	<title>How is this news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268320560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which part of this is News?</p><p>Telstra in Australia (comparable land area to USA) has had 21 Mbps nationwide for over a year and their network now supports 42 Mbps.     At the GSM world congress at Barcelona in February they announced their intent to have 84 Mbps in the network next year.</p><p>Yet T-mobile announce they can do this only in Philadelphia and it's considered news?   Why are we so far behind the rest of the world and think that a bit of bandwidth in one small area is news worthy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which part of this is News ? Telstra in Australia ( comparable land area to USA ) has had 21 Mbps nationwide for over a year and their network now supports 42 Mbps .
At the GSM world congress at Barcelona in February they announced their intent to have 84 Mbps in the network next year.Yet T-mobile announce they can do this only in Philadelphia and it 's considered news ?
Why are we so far behind the rest of the world and think that a bit of bandwidth in one small area is news worthy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which part of this is News?Telstra in Australia (comparable land area to USA) has had 21 Mbps nationwide for over a year and their network now supports 42 Mbps.
At the GSM world congress at Barcelona in February they announced their intent to have 84 Mbps in the network next year.Yet T-mobile announce they can do this only in Philadelphia and it's considered news?
Why are we so far behind the rest of the world and think that a bit of bandwidth in one small area is news worthy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31443592</id>
	<title>Portugal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268299920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>US cell phone market is so pathetic... Here in Portugal, we have HSPA+ for a couple months now...</htmltext>
<tokenext>US cell phone market is so pathetic... Here in Portugal , we have HSPA + for a couple months now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US cell phone market is so pathetic... Here in Portugal, we have HSPA+ for a couple months now...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444362</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1268302260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>aren't there only 2 or 3 urban areas in canada?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are n't there only 2 or 3 urban areas in canada ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>aren't there only 2 or 3 urban areas in canada?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444552</id>
	<title>Latency..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It still has HPSAs awful latency.<br>LTEs extremely low latency will allow alot of interesting stuff that'll make the devices much more useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It still has HPSAs awful latency.LTEs extremely low latency will allow alot of interesting stuff that 'll make the devices much more useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It still has HPSAs awful latency.LTEs extremely low latency will allow alot of interesting stuff that'll make the devices much more useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444848</id>
	<title>Re:Let's get butt-raped</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, the HSPA+ modem is only a potential. HSPA+ is also supported on many smart phones, and even on the download side by the iPhone 3GS (upload is still the basic 384kb/s, not even HSPA-regular speeds).

And yeah, ideal HSPA+ download rates hit 7.2Mb/s. Sprint is claiming 6Mb/s for their WiMax "4G" link, while Comcast and Clear claim 8Mb/s and 10Mb/s or more.. funny thing, though.. it's exactly the same WiMax network.

As for HSPA+, AT&amp;T claims they'll have rolled it out in 30-40 cities, as of this summer. If you're not in-town, or not in the right town, don't expect to get faster connections. But much of this is marketing hype anyway. If you listen to Sprint ads, you'll expect to find 4G is a real thing. And it is... for computer connections. But they have yet to ship a WiMax phone.

And I can sympathize about that "incredible thing" 1000 miles away. Or 3 miles away. Where I live, there's no wired broadband offered. So I'm paying $120 a month for satellite at 1.5Mb/s down, with heinous download limits per day. Three miles away, there's 12+Mb/s cable with no announced per-day limits.

This summer, Verizon 4G comes online, too. They're using LTE, the global standard, not WiMax, and on 700MHz (versus 2500MHz for WiMax), so they have a big advantage. They're going hot in 30-40 cities all at once. LTE trials have demonstrated 50Mb/s links, but once it gets real, there are per-client maximums imposed, regardless of the actual cell traffic. I'm in a local totally ready for this as a home connection, there's "Stimulus" money to hit up us rural folks, and yet, I still imagine Verizon hooking this up in places that already get Cable, FiOS, and HPSA+ just dandy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the HSPA + modem is only a potential .
HSPA + is also supported on many smart phones , and even on the download side by the iPhone 3GS ( upload is still the basic 384kb/s , not even HSPA-regular speeds ) .
And yeah , ideal HSPA + download rates hit 7.2Mb/s .
Sprint is claiming 6Mb/s for their WiMax " 4G " link , while Comcast and Clear claim 8Mb/s and 10Mb/s or more.. funny thing , though.. it 's exactly the same WiMax network .
As for HSPA + , AT&amp;T claims they 'll have rolled it out in 30-40 cities , as of this summer .
If you 're not in-town , or not in the right town , do n't expect to get faster connections .
But much of this is marketing hype anyway .
If you listen to Sprint ads , you 'll expect to find 4G is a real thing .
And it is... for computer connections .
But they have yet to ship a WiMax phone .
And I can sympathize about that " incredible thing " 1000 miles away .
Or 3 miles away .
Where I live , there 's no wired broadband offered .
So I 'm paying $ 120 a month for satellite at 1.5Mb/s down , with heinous download limits per day .
Three miles away , there 's 12 + Mb/s cable with no announced per-day limits .
This summer , Verizon 4G comes online , too .
They 're using LTE , the global standard , not WiMax , and on 700MHz ( versus 2500MHz for WiMax ) , so they have a big advantage .
They 're going hot in 30-40 cities all at once .
LTE trials have demonstrated 50Mb/s links , but once it gets real , there are per-client maximums imposed , regardless of the actual cell traffic .
I 'm in a local totally ready for this as a home connection , there 's " Stimulus " money to hit up us rural folks , and yet , I still imagine Verizon hooking this up in places that already get Cable , FiOS , and HPSA + just dandy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the HSPA+ modem is only a potential.
HSPA+ is also supported on many smart phones, and even on the download side by the iPhone 3GS (upload is still the basic 384kb/s, not even HSPA-regular speeds).
And yeah, ideal HSPA+ download rates hit 7.2Mb/s.
Sprint is claiming 6Mb/s for their WiMax "4G" link, while Comcast and Clear claim 8Mb/s and 10Mb/s or more.. funny thing, though.. it's exactly the same WiMax network.
As for HSPA+, AT&amp;T claims they'll have rolled it out in 30-40 cities, as of this summer.
If you're not in-town, or not in the right town, don't expect to get faster connections.
But much of this is marketing hype anyway.
If you listen to Sprint ads, you'll expect to find 4G is a real thing.
And it is... for computer connections.
But they have yet to ship a WiMax phone.
And I can sympathize about that "incredible thing" 1000 miles away.
Or 3 miles away.
Where I live, there's no wired broadband offered.
So I'm paying $120 a month for satellite at 1.5Mb/s down, with heinous download limits per day.
Three miles away, there's 12+Mb/s cable with no announced per-day limits.
This summer, Verizon 4G comes online, too.
They're using LTE, the global standard, not WiMax, and on 700MHz (versus 2500MHz for WiMax), so they have a big advantage.
They're going hot in 30-40 cities all at once.
LTE trials have demonstrated 50Mb/s links, but once it gets real, there are per-client maximums imposed, regardless of the actual cell traffic.
I'm in a local totally ready for this as a home connection, there's "Stimulus" money to hit up us rural folks, and yet, I still imagine Verizon hooking this up in places that already get Cable, FiOS, and HPSA+ just dandy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445214</id>
	<title>Re:Portugal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, the old population density bird... it still won't fly. Population density in Sweden - where I live - is lower than that in the US. Mobile telecommunications is quite popular here as you probably know. Ericsson and Nokia are well-known names in the field of mobile telecmmunications. Nokia from Finland, Ericsson from Sweden.</p><p>Population density in Sweden comes to about 57 heads per square mile. Finland is lower with 44. Norway is even lower with 39.</p><p>The USA has a population density of 84 heads per square mile. Those heads are somewhat more spread out than they are in Scandinavia because of urban sprawl so in the end the USA probably poses the same challenge as Scandinavia when it comes to rolling out mobile networks. So... what are you waiting for?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , the old population density bird... it still wo n't fly .
Population density in Sweden - where I live - is lower than that in the US .
Mobile telecommunications is quite popular here as you probably know .
Ericsson and Nokia are well-known names in the field of mobile telecmmunications .
Nokia from Finland , Ericsson from Sweden.Population density in Sweden comes to about 57 heads per square mile .
Finland is lower with 44 .
Norway is even lower with 39.The USA has a population density of 84 heads per square mile .
Those heads are somewhat more spread out than they are in Scandinavia because of urban sprawl so in the end the USA probably poses the same challenge as Scandinavia when it comes to rolling out mobile networks .
So... what are you waiting for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, the old population density bird... it still won't fly.
Population density in Sweden - where I live - is lower than that in the US.
Mobile telecommunications is quite popular here as you probably know.
Ericsson and Nokia are well-known names in the field of mobile telecmmunications.
Nokia from Finland, Ericsson from Sweden.Population density in Sweden comes to about 57 heads per square mile.
Finland is lower with 44.
Norway is even lower with 39.The USA has a population density of 84 heads per square mile.
Those heads are somewhat more spread out than they are in Scandinavia because of urban sprawl so in the end the USA probably poses the same challenge as Scandinavia when it comes to rolling out mobile networks.
So... what are you waiting for?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31446974</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268313420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I was amazed... Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm. It was everywhere.</p></div><p>Actually, it's for bank cards, not credit cards. Interac is the network that all of the ABMs run on, so the principle is the same. Swipe your card, enter your pin, and the money is immediately deducted from your account. It's been everywhere for years, even small corner shops and fast food joints.</p><p>They also allow email money transfers between any two people with online banking accounts at one of the major banks, which is very cool.</p><p>There is the minor issue of card cloning and PIN capturing that comes with card payment being so pervasive, of course, but what are you gonna do? It's a PITA when your card is canceled by the bank because they detect it was compromised, but at least they replenish the funds.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was amazed... Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm .
It was everywhere.Actually , it 's for bank cards , not credit cards .
Interac is the network that all of the ABMs run on , so the principle is the same .
Swipe your card , enter your pin , and the money is immediately deducted from your account .
It 's been everywhere for years , even small corner shops and fast food joints.They also allow email money transfers between any two people with online banking accounts at one of the major banks , which is very cool.There is the minor issue of card cloning and PIN capturing that comes with card payment being so pervasive , of course , but what are you gon na do ?
It 's a PITA when your card is canceled by the bank because they detect it was compromised , but at least they replenish the funds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was amazed... Turns out Canada had this amazing system called interact that would let you swipe your credit card just like you were at an atm.
It was everywhere.Actually, it's for bank cards, not credit cards.
Interac is the network that all of the ABMs run on, so the principle is the same.
Swipe your card, enter your pin, and the money is immediately deducted from your account.
It's been everywhere for years, even small corner shops and fast food joints.They also allow email money transfers between any two people with online banking accounts at one of the major banks, which is very cool.There is the minor issue of card cloning and PIN capturing that comes with card payment being so pervasive, of course, but what are you gonna do?
It's a PITA when your card is canceled by the bank because they detect it was compromised, but at least they replenish the funds.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31449458</id>
	<title>Re:Latency?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268387220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well.. uhm... it's way better from where I stand.  Videos will download faster.  FTP will go faster... most anything will go faster as long as it's not to latency dependent.  Games... well they are for children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well.. uhm... it 's way better from where I stand .
Videos will download faster .
FTP will go faster... most anything will go faster as long as it 's not to latency dependent .
Games... well they are for children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well.. uhm... it's way better from where I stand.
Videos will download faster.
FTP will go faster... most anything will go faster as long as it's not to latency dependent.
Games... well they are for children.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31443578</id>
	<title>Let's get butt-raped</title>
	<author>You'reJustSlashFlock</author>
	<datestamp>1268299860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>These things are such a joke.  I haven't seen any real increase in the actual d/l speed of wireless networks.  I feel like we're in some Communist country where you read in the paper about the community 1000 miles away that got some incredible new thing and it's coming soon to your community, except it never actually does and taxes get higher and the work week gets longer and the commute gets drearier and the currency gets weaker and the prices get higher and...</htmltext>
<tokenext>These things are such a joke .
I have n't seen any real increase in the actual d/l speed of wireless networks .
I feel like we 're in some Communist country where you read in the paper about the community 1000 miles away that got some incredible new thing and it 's coming soon to your community , except it never actually does and taxes get higher and the work week gets longer and the commute gets drearier and the currency gets weaker and the prices get higher and.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These things are such a joke.
I haven't seen any real increase in the actual d/l speed of wireless networks.
I feel like we're in some Communist country where you read in the paper about the community 1000 miles away that got some incredible new thing and it's coming soon to your community, except it never actually does and taxes get higher and the work week gets longer and the commute gets drearier and the currency gets weaker and the prices get higher and...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31449286</id>
	<title>Re:Portugal</title>
	<author>strikethree</author>
	<datestamp>1268427180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, that explains why Durango, Colorado or Selene, Kansas doesn't get this stuff... but what about New York City? Los Angeles? Chicago? Detroit (oops, never mind that one), Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Albuquerque, Boston, Miami, and on and on and on and on.</p><p>In other words, you are dead wrong. Thanks for playing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>strike<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , that explains why Durango , Colorado or Selene , Kansas does n't get this stuff... but what about New York City ?
Los Angeles ?
Chicago ? Detroit ( oops , never mind that one ) , Houston , Dallas , Phoenix , Seattle , Atlanta , Minneapolis , Indianapolis , Albuquerque , Boston , Miami , and on and on and on and on.In other words , you are dead wrong .
Thanks for playing .
: ) strike    </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, that explains why Durango, Colorado or Selene, Kansas doesn't get this stuff... but what about New York City?
Los Angeles?
Chicago? Detroit (oops, never mind that one), Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Albuquerque, Boston, Miami, and on and on and on and on.In other words, you are dead wrong.
Thanks for playing.
:)strike
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444262</id>
	<title>Thi5 FP Wfor GNAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268301960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">Shouts To the Hand...don't sorely dimini5hed. 3allots.  You could gave the BSD become obsessed Bunch of retarded no matter how a BSD over other</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shouts To the Hand...do n't sorely dimini5hed .
3allots. You could gave the BSD become obsessed Bunch of retarded no matter how a BSD over other [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouts To the Hand...don't sorely dimini5hed.
3allots.  You could gave the BSD become obsessed Bunch of retarded no matter how a BSD over other [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444842</id>
	<title>I suspect that</title>
	<author>bugs2squash</author>
	<datestamp>1268303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>most of this technology's advantages will be used to improve life for the Telcos (by squeezing more subscribers per cell) than for improving life for the user.</htmltext>
<tokenext>most of this technology 's advantages will be used to improve life for the Telcos ( by squeezing more subscribers per cell ) than for improving life for the user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most of this technology's advantages will be used to improve life for the Telcos (by squeezing more subscribers per cell) than for improving life for the user.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445236</id>
	<title>Re:5GB?</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1268305500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually going to be 15 cents a second, more or less.</p><p>Let's assume you want that high speed for... something. Hi-res remote doctor consultations, watching Avatar in HD over the air, using onLive.... you get the idea. Let's say you burned through your allotment already. Let's also assume that you get 3Mbit/sec instead of the full 6Mbit/sec. A 15 minute consultation then will cost you $80, a 5 GB movie $200, and an all-night onLive session will run you a whopping $2500. Somehow, I don't think that whoever buys into this will have thought this through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually going to be 15 cents a second , more or less.Let 's assume you want that high speed for... something. Hi-res remote doctor consultations , watching Avatar in HD over the air , using onLive.... you get the idea .
Let 's say you burned through your allotment already .
Let 's also assume that you get 3Mbit/sec instead of the full 6Mbit/sec .
A 15 minute consultation then will cost you $ 80 , a 5 GB movie $ 200 , and an all-night onLive session will run you a whopping $ 2500 .
Somehow , I do n't think that whoever buys into this will have thought this through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually going to be 15 cents a second, more or less.Let's assume you want that high speed for... something. Hi-res remote doctor consultations, watching Avatar in HD over the air, using onLive.... you get the idea.
Let's say you burned through your allotment already.
Let's also assume that you get 3Mbit/sec instead of the full 6Mbit/sec.
A 15 minute consultation then will cost you $80, a 5 GB movie $200, and an all-night onLive session will run you a whopping $2500.
Somehow, I don't think that whoever buys into this will have thought this through.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444104</id>
	<title>My first first?</title>
	<author>Eggbloke</author>
	<datestamp>1268301480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long before we get these in the UK? They sound good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long before we get these in the UK ?
They sound good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long before we get these in the UK?
They sound good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445212</id>
	<title>Re:Portugal</title>
	<author>DarthBling</author>
	<datestamp>1268305440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...non-3rd-world ones that are lower (Canada, Russia, Brazil, etc)...</p></div><p>Don't mean to nitpik, but Brazil is a third world nation.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third\_World" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third\_World</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...non-3rd-world ones that are lower ( Canada , Russia , Brazil , etc ) ...Do n't mean to nitpik , but Brazil is a third world nation .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third \ _World [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...non-3rd-world ones that are lower (Canada, Russia, Brazil, etc)...Don't mean to nitpik, but Brazil is a third world nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third\_World [wikipedia.org]
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31448874</id>
	<title>lame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>really? this is the next big wireless thing to come? it doesn't sound too impressive, especially with the caps. this is not what consumers want. they want ONE connection that can go anywhere with similar speeds wherever they go. can we get rid of home/mobile barrier once and for all? maybe get <i>that</i> network working and leave the other stuff alone until it gets made? it's the same bullshit that doesn't allow for a simple $30/month unlimited voice/text/data(which should just be sold as one fucking thing, as its all 1s and 0s anyways) plan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>really ?
this is the next big wireless thing to come ?
it does n't sound too impressive , especially with the caps .
this is not what consumers want .
they want ONE connection that can go anywhere with similar speeds wherever they go .
can we get rid of home/mobile barrier once and for all ?
maybe get that network working and leave the other stuff alone until it gets made ?
it 's the same bullshit that does n't allow for a simple $ 30/month unlimited voice/text/data ( which should just be sold as one fucking thing , as its all 1s and 0s anyways ) plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>really?
this is the next big wireless thing to come?
it doesn't sound too impressive, especially with the caps.
this is not what consumers want.
they want ONE connection that can go anywhere with similar speeds wherever they go.
can we get rid of home/mobile barrier once and for all?
maybe get that network working and leave the other stuff alone until it gets made?
it's the same bullshit that doesn't allow for a simple $30/month unlimited voice/text/data(which should just be sold as one fucking thing, as its all 1s and 0s anyways) plan.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445114</id>
	<title>Latency?</title>
	<author>Otterley</author>
	<datestamp>1268305020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These tests are useless without latency measurements.  For nearly all practical purposes, a 21Mb transfer rate is not significantly better than a 1Mb rate if the round-trip time is 500ms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These tests are useless without latency measurements .
For nearly all practical purposes , a 21Mb transfer rate is not significantly better than a 1Mb rate if the round-trip time is 500ms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These tests are useless without latency measurements.
For nearly all practical purposes, a 21Mb transfer rate is not significantly better than a 1Mb rate if the round-trip time is 500ms.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444724</id>
	<title>Re:Let's get butt-raped</title>
	<author>daveatneowindotnet</author>
	<datestamp>1268303580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I live in the Philly Metro area, I'll keep you in mind if it doesn't pan out.</p><p> Why anyone would pick Philadelphia as a launch city is beyond me. That's like recruiting beta testers from the Special Olympics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I live in the Philly Metro area , I 'll keep you in mind if it does n't pan out .
Why anyone would pick Philadelphia as a launch city is beyond me .
That 's like recruiting beta testers from the Special Olympics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I live in the Philly Metro area, I'll keep you in mind if it doesn't pan out.
Why anyone would pick Philadelphia as a launch city is beyond me.
That's like recruiting beta testers from the Special Olympics.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444176</id>
	<title>Re:Let's get butt-raped</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268301720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I feel like we're in some Communist country...</p></div><p>Good thing things really are getting that bad, otherwise you'd sound like a whiny little bitch.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel like we 're in some Communist country...Good thing things really are getting that bad , otherwise you 'd sound like a whiny little bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel like we're in some Communist country...Good thing things really are getting that bad, otherwise you'd sound like a whiny little bitch.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31443768</id>
	<title>Canada</title>
	<author>courteaudotbiz</author>
	<datestamp>1268300460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Up here in Canada, we already have HSPA+ in urban areas... strange that we are so much in advance, we are known to usually adopt technologies well after the US...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Up here in Canada , we already have HSPA + in urban areas... strange that we are so much in advance , we are known to usually adopt technologies well after the US.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Up here in Canada, we already have HSPA+ in urban areas... strange that we are so much in advance, we are known to usually adopt technologies well after the US...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445432</id>
	<title>Fuck that, I'll stay with Clear/Sprint.</title>
	<author>Chas</author>
	<datestamp>1268306340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, 5GB.</p><p>5 measly little gigs?</p><p>I fart hard and I'm over that cap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , 5GB.5 measly little gigs ? I fart hard and I 'm over that cap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, 5GB.5 measly little gigs?I fart hard and I'm over that cap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445520</id>
	<title>Re:Portugal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268306700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed... and while other responses also have valid points about the population density argument... We are still talking vastly different scales here...</p><p>covering an entire nation the size of one of our smallest states, no matter the population density, is a very different proposition than covering 50 small nations...</p><p>As for NYC and population density.. again, it boils down to money.. Why bother showcasing a technology in one city that you have absolutely no capacity to roll out to the rest of your customers... All that will do is piss off the 99\% of your customers who DON"T get the tech... (And boost the already overly large ego's of the sophisticates in that big city who feel that all of us "redneck hillbillies" out in the country don't have mental capacity for their technology, much less actually deserve it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed... and while other responses also have valid points about the population density argument... We are still talking vastly different scales here...covering an entire nation the size of one of our smallest states , no matter the population density , is a very different proposition than covering 50 small nations...As for NYC and population density.. again , it boils down to money.. Why bother showcasing a technology in one city that you have absolutely no capacity to roll out to the rest of your customers... All that will do is piss off the 99 \ % of your customers who DON " T get the tech... ( And boost the already overly large ego 's of the sophisticates in that big city who feel that all of us " redneck hillbillies " out in the country do n't have mental capacity for their technology , much less actually deserve it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed... and while other responses also have valid points about the population density argument... We are still talking vastly different scales here...covering an entire nation the size of one of our smallest states, no matter the population density, is a very different proposition than covering 50 small nations...As for NYC and population density.. again, it boils down to money.. Why bother showcasing a technology in one city that you have absolutely no capacity to roll out to the rest of your customers... All that will do is piss off the 99\% of your customers who DON"T get the tech... (And boost the already overly large ego's of the sophisticates in that big city who feel that all of us "redneck hillbillies" out in the country don't have mental capacity for their technology, much less actually deserve it...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31445300</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>warriorpostman</author>
	<datestamp>1268305860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a friend who went to Canada to have laser corrective surgery done on her eyes back in the early 90's, because there were no reasonable choices for this procedure available here in the US (well at least within a reasonable distance in Pennsylvania).
<br> <br>
I was completely baffled by her story, because I was brainwashed to believe that socialized medicine necessarily lags behind when it comes to new medical technology and procedures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a friend who went to Canada to have laser corrective surgery done on her eyes back in the early 90 's , because there were no reasonable choices for this procedure available here in the US ( well at least within a reasonable distance in Pennsylvania ) .
I was completely baffled by her story , because I was brainwashed to believe that socialized medicine necessarily lags behind when it comes to new medical technology and procedures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a friend who went to Canada to have laser corrective surgery done on her eyes back in the early 90's, because there were no reasonable choices for this procedure available here in the US (well at least within a reasonable distance in Pennsylvania).
I was completely baffled by her story, because I was brainwashed to believe that socialized medicine necessarily lags behind when it comes to new medical technology and procedures.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444494</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_193209.31444746</id>
	<title>Re:Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268303640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HSPA+ rollout in Canada was hurried along by Bell and Telus, who wanted to have GSM-compatible networks in place when the world showed up to Vancouver for a few weeks, not long ago. Could you imagine the stink if Van got the hot new toys while Montreal and Toronto and Calgary had to suffer with the old tech?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HSPA + rollout in Canada was hurried along by Bell and Telus , who wanted to have GSM-compatible networks in place when the world showed up to Vancouver for a few weeks , not long ago .
Could you imagine the stink if Van got the hot new toys while Montreal and Toronto and Calgary had to suffer with the old tech ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HSPA+ rollout in Canada was hurried along by Bell and Telus, who wanted to have GSM-compatible networks in place when the world showed up to Vancouver for a few weeks, not long ago.
Could you imagine the stink if Van got the hot new toys while Montreal and Toronto and Calgary had to suffer with the old tech?</sentencetext>
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