<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_11_170225</id>
	<title>IE 6 &amp; 7 Unpatched Exploit Goes Wild</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1268331540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Kolargol00 writes <i>"Heise online reports the <a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Exploit-fuer-neue-IE-Luecke-952065.html">availability of an exploit</a>  (<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.heise.de\%2Fnewsticker\%2Fmeldung\%2FExploit-fuer-neue-IE-Luecke-952065.html&amp;sl=de&amp;tl=en&amp;hl=&amp;ie=UTF-8">Google translation</a>) for the yet-unpatched <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/981374.mspx">MSA-981374</a> affecting Internet Explorer 6 and 7. It has already been <a href="http://www.avertlabs.com/research/blog/index.php/2010/03/09/targeted-internet-explorer-0day-attack-announced-cve-2010-0806/">spotted in the wild by McAfee</a> and <a href="http://www.rec-sec.com/2010/03/10/internet-explorer-iepeers-use-after-free-exploit/">integrated into the Metasploit Framework</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kolargol00 writes " Heise online reports the availability of an exploit ( Google translation ) for the yet-unpatched MSA-981374 affecting Internet Explorer 6 and 7 .
It has already been spotted in the wild by McAfee and integrated into the Metasploit Framework .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kolargol00 writes "Heise online reports the availability of an exploit  (Google translation) for the yet-unpatched MSA-981374 affecting Internet Explorer 6 and 7.
It has already been spotted in the wild by McAfee and integrated into the Metasploit Framework.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31447764</id>
	<title>Here is an example</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268319240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.ncwise.org/</p><p>http://www.ncwise.org/documents/eSIS\_wrkst\_req/Workstation\_Requirements.pdf</p><p>This program and the people that made it suck fetid goat balls. However their incessant fuckery keep me in a job so I suppose that counts for something.</p><p>There are other programs (from the state) that require different versions of java loaded and will not work with anything else. In one case we have three different versions of java loaded and all kinds of scripting necromancy to make it work.</p><p>Maybe someone can contact someone and ask them to step into at least 2007? I think the people that made this are in Canada.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ncwise.org/http : //www.ncwise.org/documents/eSIS \ _wrkst \ _req/Workstation \ _Requirements.pdfThis program and the people that made it suck fetid goat balls .
However their incessant fuckery keep me in a job so I suppose that counts for something.There are other programs ( from the state ) that require different versions of java loaded and will not work with anything else .
In one case we have three different versions of java loaded and all kinds of scripting necromancy to make it work.Maybe someone can contact someone and ask them to step into at least 2007 ?
I think the people that made this are in Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ncwise.org/http://www.ncwise.org/documents/eSIS\_wrkst\_req/Workstation\_Requirements.pdfThis program and the people that made it suck fetid goat balls.
However their incessant fuckery keep me in a job so I suppose that counts for something.There are other programs (from the state) that require different versions of java loaded and will not work with anything else.
In one case we have three different versions of java loaded and all kinds of scripting necromancy to make it work.Maybe someone can contact someone and ask them to step into at least 2007?
I think the people that made this are in Canada.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441390</id>
	<title>I wish it could be used for good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to force stubborn IT departments into upgrading their enterprises' PCs. There's lots of them that keep a vast array of zombies with IE6 installed just because they fear anything else will be incompatible with their intranet software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to force stubborn IT departments into upgrading their enterprises ' PCs .
There 's lots of them that keep a vast array of zombies with IE6 installed just because they fear anything else will be incompatible with their intranet software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to force stubborn IT departments into upgrading their enterprises' PCs.
There's lots of them that keep a vast array of zombies with IE6 installed just because they fear anything else will be incompatible with their intranet software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31447652</id>
	<title>Re:Using IE5</title>
	<author>dubner</author>
	<datestamp>1268318400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's why we in the know sticks to IE5.</p></div><p>I wish I could but I only has 'lynx', you insensitive clod!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why we in the know sticks to IE5.I wish I could but I only has 'lynx ' , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why we in the know sticks to IE5.I wish I could but I only has 'lynx', you insensitive clod!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31442534</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Reaction Times</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268340240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm not knocking MS</i></p><p>When they know about an exploit and don't patch it until some black hat uses it, they deserve to be knocked, as does any other software company that acts like that (say, Adobe).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not knocking MSWhen they know about an exploit and do n't patch it until some black hat uses it , they deserve to be knocked , as does any other software company that acts like that ( say , Adobe ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not knocking MSWhen they know about an exploit and don't patch it until some black hat uses it, they deserve to be knocked, as does any other software company that acts like that (say, Adobe).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441112</id>
	<title>Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's why we in the know sticks to IE5.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why we in the know sticks to IE5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why we in the know sticks to IE5.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31442458</id>
	<title>Re:...and?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268339940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unpatched exploits for COBOL?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unpatched exploits for COBOL ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unpatched exploits for COBOL?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441218</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441256</id>
	<title>Internet Explorer and News for Nerds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would think that anyone who posts and reads Slashdot knows not to use Internet Explorer.  Have we reached the point yet where a new flaw is no longer news? <br> <br>

I would think REAL news would be if a test somewhere showed a version of Internet Explorer superior to ANY other browser.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think that anyone who posts and reads Slashdot knows not to use Internet Explorer .
Have we reached the point yet where a new flaw is no longer news ?
I would think REAL news would be if a test somewhere showed a version of Internet Explorer superior to ANY other browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think that anyone who posts and reads Slashdot knows not to use Internet Explorer.
Have we reached the point yet where a new flaw is no longer news?
I would think REAL news would be if a test somewhere showed a version of Internet Explorer superior to ANY other browser.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441218</id>
	<title>...and?</title>
	<author>snugge</author>
	<datestamp>1268335680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there will always be unpatched exploits for OLD and OBSOLETE software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there will always be unpatched exploits for OLD and OBSOLETE software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there will always be unpatched exploits for OLD and OBSOLETE software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31443204</id>
	<title>just wondering ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268298900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mmmh, wondering, how many bugs have been exploited for a long time, before they became common knowledge as an exploit and how many bugs are currently exploited that maybe never get recognized by the public and fixed.</p><p>Considering how many exploits get found in old software even after years, things don't look good in my eyes.<br>If someone has money and bad intentions, they could just hire some people looking for those exploits and then exclusively use those exploits like for industry espionage etc. The chance that they can use such an exploit for a long time, when it is only used on a few selected targets, seems I'm quite high.<br>I'm sure it is done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mmmh , wondering , how many bugs have been exploited for a long time , before they became common knowledge as an exploit and how many bugs are currently exploited that maybe never get recognized by the public and fixed.Considering how many exploits get found in old software even after years , things do n't look good in my eyes.If someone has money and bad intentions , they could just hire some people looking for those exploits and then exclusively use those exploits like for industry espionage etc .
The chance that they can use such an exploit for a long time , when it is only used on a few selected targets , seems I 'm quite high.I 'm sure it is done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mmmh, wondering, how many bugs have been exploited for a long time, before they became common knowledge as an exploit and how many bugs are currently exploited that maybe never get recognized by the public and fixed.Considering how many exploits get found in old software even after years, things don't look good in my eyes.If someone has money and bad intentions, they could just hire some people looking for those exploits and then exclusively use those exploits like for industry espionage etc.
The chance that they can use such an exploit for a long time, when it is only used on a few selected targets, seems I'm quite high.I'm sure it is done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31450730</id>
	<title>So glad FF</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1268404080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am so glad I use FF and not IE, I owe a buddy of mine big time for showing me the way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....to FF</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am so glad I use FF and not IE , I owe a buddy of mine big time for showing me the way ....to FF</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am so glad I use FF and not IE, I owe a buddy of mine big time for showing me the way ....to FF</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441340</id>
	<title>Before anyone nags about Metasploit...</title>
	<author>Securityemo</author>
	<datestamp>1268336100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>When non-security geeks nag about metasploit lowering the threshold for malicious behavior, it's like watching someone complain about gun laws in a warlord-ruled third world hellhole. It doesn't matter, and you're being silly. Besides, metasploit is geared a lot more towards rapid exploit prototyping, and is clearly designed with this in mind; only the already skilled can use it in this manner because you already need to be able to do it "manually" to take advantage of the framework. Hell, it's even harder to use the (ruby) framework than to code perl exploits; but you can do it faster and the shellcode part of the framework allows you to make complicated shellcode  in a reliable fashion. It's not like one of those make-your-own-malware kits.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When non-security geeks nag about metasploit lowering the threshold for malicious behavior , it 's like watching someone complain about gun laws in a warlord-ruled third world hellhole .
It does n't matter , and you 're being silly .
Besides , metasploit is geared a lot more towards rapid exploit prototyping , and is clearly designed with this in mind ; only the already skilled can use it in this manner because you already need to be able to do it " manually " to take advantage of the framework .
Hell , it 's even harder to use the ( ruby ) framework than to code perl exploits ; but you can do it faster and the shellcode part of the framework allows you to make complicated shellcode in a reliable fashion .
It 's not like one of those make-your-own-malware kits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When non-security geeks nag about metasploit lowering the threshold for malicious behavior, it's like watching someone complain about gun laws in a warlord-ruled third world hellhole.
It doesn't matter, and you're being silly.
Besides, metasploit is geared a lot more towards rapid exploit prototyping, and is clearly designed with this in mind; only the already skilled can use it in this manner because you already need to be able to do it "manually" to take advantage of the framework.
Hell, it's even harder to use the (ruby) framework than to code perl exploits; but you can do it faster and the shellcode part of the framework allows you to make complicated shellcode  in a reliable fashion.
It's not like one of those make-your-own-malware kits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441774</id>
	<title>IE6?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wasn't IE 6 pronounced dead and services held for it? Why are we still reporting bugs on it?

IE7 on the other hand, it needs to be fixed or even better, killed completely</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't IE 6 pronounced dead and services held for it ?
Why are we still reporting bugs on it ?
IE7 on the other hand , it needs to be fixed or even better , killed completely</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't IE 6 pronounced dead and services held for it?
Why are we still reporting bugs on it?
IE7 on the other hand, it needs to be fixed or even better, killed completely</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441246</id>
	<title>I'm safe.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the Google Translation: "For the new security hole in Internet Explorer 6 p.m. to 7 p.m..." I do most of my porn browsing much later in the day, I'll be fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the Google Translation : " For the new security hole in Internet Explorer 6 p.m. to 7 p.m... " I do most of my porn browsing much later in the day , I 'll be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the Google Translation: "For the new security hole in Internet Explorer 6 p.m. to 7 p.m..." I do most of my porn browsing much later in the day, I'll be fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441442</id>
	<title>Easy fix for clueless people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux boot CD. Just take out the entire hard disk, then there's nothing to mess up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux boot CD .
Just take out the entire hard disk , then there 's nothing to mess up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux boot CD.
Just take out the entire hard disk, then there's nothing to mess up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31443368</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>Akzo</author>
	<datestamp>1268299320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you try the compatibility mode?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you try the compatibility mode ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you try the compatibility mode?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441582</id>
	<title>Who are the asshats?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can opensource developers fix issues so quickly when a billion dollar company can't? Why is this code that the developers were paid very good salaries to develop, on which the company made billion of dollars of profit, so insecure that it keeps turning up vulnerability after vulnerability?
</p><p>Maybe when you car door keeps popping open and therefor people steel your car, it is time to stop blaming the thiefs and start to talk to the car maker.
</p><p>IE is a joke, so punch the clowns that made it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why can opensource developers fix issues so quickly when a billion dollar company ca n't ?
Why is this code that the developers were paid very good salaries to develop , on which the company made billion of dollars of profit , so insecure that it keeps turning up vulnerability after vulnerability ?
Maybe when you car door keeps popping open and therefor people steel your car , it is time to stop blaming the thiefs and start to talk to the car maker .
IE is a joke , so punch the clowns that made it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can opensource developers fix issues so quickly when a billion dollar company can't?
Why is this code that the developers were paid very good salaries to develop, on which the company made billion of dollars of profit, so insecure that it keeps turning up vulnerability after vulnerability?
Maybe when you car door keeps popping open and therefor people steel your car, it is time to stop blaming the thiefs and start to talk to the car maker.
IE is a joke, so punch the clowns that made it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31443980</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>eulernet</author>
	<datestamp>1268301060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you try hitting F12 and change the compatibility mode ?</p><p>For example, Virtual PC does not work in IE8 mode, and this is the only way to make it work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you try hitting F12 and change the compatibility mode ? For example , Virtual PC does not work in IE8 mode , and this is the only way to make it work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you try hitting F12 and change the compatibility mode ?For example, Virtual PC does not work in IE8 mode, and this is the only way to make it work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31442946</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>KenSeymour</author>
	<datestamp>1268298120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, but if you do that you may not be able to find a replacement manager of the same caliber.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , but if you do that you may not be able to find a replacement manager of the same caliber .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, but if you do that you may not be able to find a replacement manager of the same caliber.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441828</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441828</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1268338080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever is in charge of your main IT department should be fired. Out of a cannon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever is in charge of your main IT department should be fired .
Out of a cannon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever is in charge of your main IT department should be fired.
Out of a cannon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441216</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>The MAZZTer</author>
	<datestamp>1268335680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live life risky, 5<b>.5</b> here!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live life risky , 5.5 here !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live life risky, 5.5 here!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31442470</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1268340000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The other day, someone was asking about moving to IE7 because some sites, including our credit union, would soon end support for IE6.  The response was that 1: The web people haven't tested our apps yet, and 2: What testing they HAVE done indicates the apps will break under IE7.</p><p>*sigh* Either way, we're screwed.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The other day , someone was asking about moving to IE7 because some sites , including our credit union , would soon end support for IE6 .
The response was that 1 : The web people have n't tested our apps yet , and 2 : What testing they HAVE done indicates the apps will break under IE7 .
* sigh * Either way , we 're screwed .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other day, someone was asking about moving to IE7 because some sites, including our credit union, would soon end support for IE6.
The response was that 1: The web people haven't tested our apps yet, and 2: What testing they HAVE done indicates the apps will break under IE7.
*sigh* Either way, we're screwed.
:P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31448868</id>
	<title>Re:I wish it could be used for good</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1268332680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember all those years ago when the idealists in LaLa land said it will be important to stick to the most basic and universal features of HTML and never ever do things that require special tweaks that just happen to work on one particular browser?</p><p>They suggested keeping the look and feel of all those web apps simple and functional.</p><p>Now you know why they were absolutely positively right!</p><p>Too bad that the crowd that wanted the sleek corporate look using all the tricks in the book won the argument!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember all those years ago when the idealists in LaLa land said it will be important to stick to the most basic and universal features of HTML and never ever do things that require special tweaks that just happen to work on one particular browser ? They suggested keeping the look and feel of all those web apps simple and functional.Now you know why they were absolutely positively right ! Too bad that the crowd that wanted the sleek corporate look using all the tricks in the book won the argument !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember all those years ago when the idealists in LaLa land said it will be important to stick to the most basic and universal features of HTML and never ever do things that require special tweaks that just happen to work on one particular browser?They suggested keeping the look and feel of all those web apps simple and functional.Now you know why they were absolutely positively right!Too bad that the crowd that wanted the sleek corporate look using all the tricks in the book won the argument!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31453478</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>tguyton</author>
	<datestamp>1268418240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm, do you work where I work?  As part of an IT department in an international corporation, this is something we've had to tell users.  IE8 doesn't work for a lot of the things our sales department uses, and when asked about it, we have been instructed by corporate to encourage everyone to use IE6 only as that is the native environment still for most web-based apps we use.  Oh, the joys of having detached corporate leadership... It gets better, too.  We've also been encouraged to start rolling out Windows 7 for the users who are willing, but they haven't even bothered yet to upgrade major systems past IE6 compatibility.  I don't know what they think we do down here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , do you work where I work ?
As part of an IT department in an international corporation , this is something we 've had to tell users .
IE8 does n't work for a lot of the things our sales department uses , and when asked about it , we have been instructed by corporate to encourage everyone to use IE6 only as that is the native environment still for most web-based apps we use .
Oh , the joys of having detached corporate leadership... It gets better , too .
We 've also been encouraged to start rolling out Windows 7 for the users who are willing , but they have n't even bothered yet to upgrade major systems past IE6 compatibility .
I do n't know what they think we do down here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, do you work where I work?
As part of an IT department in an international corporation, this is something we've had to tell users.
IE8 doesn't work for a lot of the things our sales department uses, and when asked about it, we have been instructed by corporate to encourage everyone to use IE6 only as that is the native environment still for most web-based apps we use.
Oh, the joys of having detached corporate leadership... It gets better, too.
We've also been encouraged to start rolling out Windows 7 for the users who are willing, but they haven't even bothered yet to upgrade major systems past IE6 compatibility.
I don't know what they think we do down here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441432</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31442002</id>
	<title>Re:I wish it could be used for good</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268338680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not just "fear".  The IT department at my company has tested, and they KNOW anything newer than IE6 is incompatible with a decent array of intranet applications, including the company intranet (which was built on a commercial CMS that has since folded, so all that information has to be moved to a new CMS).  They've also had to go out and find the usual rash of departmental applications that people wrote in Excel with VBScript, or Access, with a FrontPage front end, and figure out how many of those would survive an IE6 upgrade, and the answer to that question is also pretty grim.  And I sincerely doubt they got 'em all.  Not to mention the number of canned applications that perform really useful tasks, but not useful enough to make it worthwhile to spend money to upgrade them, so they've been slowly aging like bad cheese, but replacing their functionality is difficult or expensive.</p><p>Add into that the number of machines that are already pretty marginal for XP with IE6, throw in IE8 and it might be the straw that broke the eight-year-old camel's back, necessitating a bunch of upgrades.  They've already had to hold off on hardware upgrades for two years running because the economy blows steaming monkey chunks, and a lot of the machines are struggling.</p><p>Upgrading the browser is relatively easy - SMS push, done.  Replacing/upgrading the hardware is a little harder.  Replacing all the applications that both IS and the business have implemented over the years that are all dependent on IE6 is a multi-million dollar project.</p><p>And, lest we forget, the economy blows steaming monkey chunks.  So how many more people do you lay off to get the money to upgrade all these apps?  None, you say?  Righty-ho, IS will get right on working on business-critical stuff with their reduced remaining staff, then.</p><p>So they've put their money into security upgrades of the core infrastructure, improvements to AV and the firewall grid, and making sure company-confidential information doesn't reside on laptop or even desktop hard drives, and making sure access to important stuff like credit cards is only stored on an encrypted network inaccessible from the world of mere mortal desktops.  If a desktop machine is compromised, the combination of hardware firewalls, software firewalls, antivirus, antimalware, and the Proxy Nazi will hopefully isolate it, and remote reimage means IS can reach out and nuke any machine that suddenly gets suspicious.</p><p>They want to go Windows Seven and IE8, but that's going to be a year or two to coordinate, and they'll have to incur a lot of wrath breaking tons of critical business apps (many of which they know they are still unaware of) or spending money upgrading them (if that's even possible).  They'll also have to replace a good bit of hardware.</p><p>All of our important data is on mainframes and midrange servers, or the SAN, and that's all firewalled up the wazoo.  Most people get nothing but Telnet access to that kind of hardware.  Credit card data is on its own network and NO ONE gets to that except a very small list.</p><p>Do we all want to see IE6 go the way of the dodo?  Hell, YES.  And there is a plan to do that.</p><p>Does it make sense to make that our primary goal in terms of securing our data?  No.  Centralized security and a "just enough permissions" model is far cheaper, and more effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not just " fear " .
The IT department at my company has tested , and they KNOW anything newer than IE6 is incompatible with a decent array of intranet applications , including the company intranet ( which was built on a commercial CMS that has since folded , so all that information has to be moved to a new CMS ) .
They 've also had to go out and find the usual rash of departmental applications that people wrote in Excel with VBScript , or Access , with a FrontPage front end , and figure out how many of those would survive an IE6 upgrade , and the answer to that question is also pretty grim .
And I sincerely doubt they got 'em all .
Not to mention the number of canned applications that perform really useful tasks , but not useful enough to make it worthwhile to spend money to upgrade them , so they 've been slowly aging like bad cheese , but replacing their functionality is difficult or expensive.Add into that the number of machines that are already pretty marginal for XP with IE6 , throw in IE8 and it might be the straw that broke the eight-year-old camel 's back , necessitating a bunch of upgrades .
They 've already had to hold off on hardware upgrades for two years running because the economy blows steaming monkey chunks , and a lot of the machines are struggling.Upgrading the browser is relatively easy - SMS push , done .
Replacing/upgrading the hardware is a little harder .
Replacing all the applications that both IS and the business have implemented over the years that are all dependent on IE6 is a multi-million dollar project.And , lest we forget , the economy blows steaming monkey chunks .
So how many more people do you lay off to get the money to upgrade all these apps ?
None , you say ?
Righty-ho , IS will get right on working on business-critical stuff with their reduced remaining staff , then.So they 've put their money into security upgrades of the core infrastructure , improvements to AV and the firewall grid , and making sure company-confidential information does n't reside on laptop or even desktop hard drives , and making sure access to important stuff like credit cards is only stored on an encrypted network inaccessible from the world of mere mortal desktops .
If a desktop machine is compromised , the combination of hardware firewalls , software firewalls , antivirus , antimalware , and the Proxy Nazi will hopefully isolate it , and remote reimage means IS can reach out and nuke any machine that suddenly gets suspicious.They want to go Windows Seven and IE8 , but that 's going to be a year or two to coordinate , and they 'll have to incur a lot of wrath breaking tons of critical business apps ( many of which they know they are still unaware of ) or spending money upgrading them ( if that 's even possible ) .
They 'll also have to replace a good bit of hardware.All of our important data is on mainframes and midrange servers , or the SAN , and that 's all firewalled up the wazoo .
Most people get nothing but Telnet access to that kind of hardware .
Credit card data is on its own network and NO ONE gets to that except a very small list.Do we all want to see IE6 go the way of the dodo ?
Hell , YES .
And there is a plan to do that.Does it make sense to make that our primary goal in terms of securing our data ?
No. Centralized security and a " just enough permissions " model is far cheaper , and more effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not just "fear".
The IT department at my company has tested, and they KNOW anything newer than IE6 is incompatible with a decent array of intranet applications, including the company intranet (which was built on a commercial CMS that has since folded, so all that information has to be moved to a new CMS).
They've also had to go out and find the usual rash of departmental applications that people wrote in Excel with VBScript, or Access, with a FrontPage front end, and figure out how many of those would survive an IE6 upgrade, and the answer to that question is also pretty grim.
And I sincerely doubt they got 'em all.
Not to mention the number of canned applications that perform really useful tasks, but not useful enough to make it worthwhile to spend money to upgrade them, so they've been slowly aging like bad cheese, but replacing their functionality is difficult or expensive.Add into that the number of machines that are already pretty marginal for XP with IE6, throw in IE8 and it might be the straw that broke the eight-year-old camel's back, necessitating a bunch of upgrades.
They've already had to hold off on hardware upgrades for two years running because the economy blows steaming monkey chunks, and a lot of the machines are struggling.Upgrading the browser is relatively easy - SMS push, done.
Replacing/upgrading the hardware is a little harder.
Replacing all the applications that both IS and the business have implemented over the years that are all dependent on IE6 is a multi-million dollar project.And, lest we forget, the economy blows steaming monkey chunks.
So how many more people do you lay off to get the money to upgrade all these apps?
None, you say?
Righty-ho, IS will get right on working on business-critical stuff with their reduced remaining staff, then.So they've put their money into security upgrades of the core infrastructure, improvements to AV and the firewall grid, and making sure company-confidential information doesn't reside on laptop or even desktop hard drives, and making sure access to important stuff like credit cards is only stored on an encrypted network inaccessible from the world of mere mortal desktops.
If a desktop machine is compromised, the combination of hardware firewalls, software firewalls, antivirus, antimalware, and the Proxy Nazi will hopefully isolate it, and remote reimage means IS can reach out and nuke any machine that suddenly gets suspicious.They want to go Windows Seven and IE8, but that's going to be a year or two to coordinate, and they'll have to incur a lot of wrath breaking tons of critical business apps (many of which they know they are still unaware of) or spending money upgrading them (if that's even possible).
They'll also have to replace a good bit of hardware.All of our important data is on mainframes and midrange servers, or the SAN, and that's all firewalled up the wazoo.
Most people get nothing but Telnet access to that kind of hardware.
Credit card data is on its own network and NO ONE gets to that except a very small list.Do we all want to see IE6 go the way of the dodo?
Hell, YES.
And there is a plan to do that.Does it make sense to make that our primary goal in terms of securing our data?
No.  Centralized security and a "just enough permissions" model is far cheaper, and more effective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441892</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Reaction Times</title>
	<author>Securityemo</author>
	<datestamp>1268338320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Amoral people wanting to boost their careers (depending on your view), versus amoral people who want to sell exploits to the botnet herders in the malware economy hierarchy, amongst other scum. Pick one (or suggest a third option!).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amoral people wanting to boost their careers ( depending on your view ) , versus amoral people who want to sell exploits to the botnet herders in the malware economy hierarchy , amongst other scum .
Pick one ( or suggest a third option !
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amoral people wanting to boost their careers (depending on your view), versus amoral people who want to sell exploits to the botnet herders in the malware economy hierarchy, amongst other scum.
Pick one (or suggest a third option!
).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441610</id>
	<title>Re:I wish it could be used for good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I have been that "stubborn IT department" for a sizable share of my life, mind if I defend myself? It's not the IT guys that refuse to upgrade most of the time.</p><p>Unless you're a tiny company with 20 employees, upgrading to another browser is not a trivial task. And I'm not even talking about installing the new version. That actually IS trivial. Any sensible company of halfway decent size already has automatic overnight rollouts in place. If they don't, well, tell me the name and I know what shares to sell quickly.</p><p>The problem is not a technical one. It's a compatibility nightmare. You might know that IE6, IE7 and IE8 are not really 100\% compatible to each other. Sure, the differences are subtle and often consist of "one more click here", but I'm sure you also know the average company user: The moment his computer does not work EXACTLY as he is used to, it is "broken" and he will refuse to do anything anymore before IT comes down and "fixes" it. And no, sending out instructions how to work around the problem 'til the fix can be applied do not work. Never have, never will.</p><p>It's not IT that stalls. Actually, it's mostly a battle between CTO and CISO. The CTO fears incompatibilities, the CISO security breaches. It's easy if the company decided to roll them into one position (because, frankly, a CISO... what does that guy do except look scared all day?). Then you just find one person hanging on a rope somewhere in a basement instead of two guys in suits duking it out in the server room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I have been that " stubborn IT department " for a sizable share of my life , mind if I defend myself ?
It 's not the IT guys that refuse to upgrade most of the time.Unless you 're a tiny company with 20 employees , upgrading to another browser is not a trivial task .
And I 'm not even talking about installing the new version .
That actually IS trivial .
Any sensible company of halfway decent size already has automatic overnight rollouts in place .
If they do n't , well , tell me the name and I know what shares to sell quickly.The problem is not a technical one .
It 's a compatibility nightmare .
You might know that IE6 , IE7 and IE8 are not really 100 \ % compatible to each other .
Sure , the differences are subtle and often consist of " one more click here " , but I 'm sure you also know the average company user : The moment his computer does not work EXACTLY as he is used to , it is " broken " and he will refuse to do anything anymore before IT comes down and " fixes " it .
And no , sending out instructions how to work around the problem 'til the fix can be applied do not work .
Never have , never will.It 's not IT that stalls .
Actually , it 's mostly a battle between CTO and CISO .
The CTO fears incompatibilities , the CISO security breaches .
It 's easy if the company decided to roll them into one position ( because , frankly , a CISO... what does that guy do except look scared all day ? ) .
Then you just find one person hanging on a rope somewhere in a basement instead of two guys in suits duking it out in the server room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I have been that "stubborn IT department" for a sizable share of my life, mind if I defend myself?
It's not the IT guys that refuse to upgrade most of the time.Unless you're a tiny company with 20 employees, upgrading to another browser is not a trivial task.
And I'm not even talking about installing the new version.
That actually IS trivial.
Any sensible company of halfway decent size already has automatic overnight rollouts in place.
If they don't, well, tell me the name and I know what shares to sell quickly.The problem is not a technical one.
It's a compatibility nightmare.
You might know that IE6, IE7 and IE8 are not really 100\% compatible to each other.
Sure, the differences are subtle and often consist of "one more click here", but I'm sure you also know the average company user: The moment his computer does not work EXACTLY as he is used to, it is "broken" and he will refuse to do anything anymore before IT comes down and "fixes" it.
And no, sending out instructions how to work around the problem 'til the fix can be applied do not work.
Never have, never will.It's not IT that stalls.
Actually, it's mostly a battle between CTO and CISO.
The CTO fears incompatibilities, the CISO security breaches.
It's easy if the company decided to roll them into one position (because, frankly, a CISO... what does that guy do except look scared all day?).
Then you just find one person hanging on a rope somewhere in a basement instead of two guys in suits duking it out in the server room.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441186</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't find that secure enough. Which is why I use curl.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't find that secure enough .
Which is why I use curl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't find that secure enough.
Which is why I use curl.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441112</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31450502</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268402400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Forget your IE5 I'm gonna go spend $1000 on a Mac, 'cause their ALWAYS safer, right?</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes I saw it on the TV. The fat loser guy (PC) said he was having all kinds of problems, but the skinny hip guy (Mac) said he didn't have any. I don't know what other proof you need!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget your IE5 I 'm gon na go spend $ 1000 on a Mac , 'cause their ALWAYS safer , right ? Yes I saw it on the TV .
The fat loser guy ( PC ) said he was having all kinds of problems , but the skinny hip guy ( Mac ) said he did n't have any .
I do n't know what other proof you need !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget your IE5 I'm gonna go spend $1000 on a Mac, 'cause their ALWAYS safer, right?Yes I saw it on the TV.
The fat loser guy (PC) said he was having all kinds of problems, but the skinny hip guy (Mac) said he didn't have any.
I don't know what other proof you need!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441264</id>
	<title>Quick Reaction Times</title>
	<author>WrongSizeGlass</author>
	<datestamp>1268335800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's sad that the 'bad guys' are so quick to react to these opportunities and MS can't beat them to the punch. I'm not knocking MS (well, maybe a little) because they're facing a lot more work to fix it than the asshats who exploit it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sad that the 'bad guys ' are so quick to react to these opportunities and MS ca n't beat them to the punch .
I 'm not knocking MS ( well , maybe a little ) because they 're facing a lot more work to fix it than the asshats who exploit it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sad that the 'bad guys' are so quick to react to these opportunities and MS can't beat them to the punch.
I'm not knocking MS (well, maybe a little) because they're facing a lot more work to fix it than the asshats who exploit it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441348</id>
	<title>Shocking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not patching your software for years on end can leave you open to security exploits?  Shocking!  I actually wish there were more ie6 security holes at this point.  Maybe it would go away faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not patching your software for years on end can leave you open to security exploits ?
Shocking ! I actually wish there were more ie6 security holes at this point .
Maybe it would go away faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not patching your software for years on end can leave you open to security exploits?
Shocking!  I actually wish there were more ie6 security holes at this point.
Maybe it would go away faster.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31442094</id>
	<title>Re:I wish it could be used for good</title>
	<author>Talderas</author>
	<datestamp>1268338980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then you just find one person hanging on a rope somewhere in a basement instead of two guys in suits duking it out in the server room.</p></div><p>Let's get ready to rummmmmmbbbbbbbbllleeeeeeeee!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you just find one person hanging on a rope somewhere in a basement instead of two guys in suits duking it out in the server room.Let 's get ready to rummmmmmbbbbbbbbllleeeeeeeee !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you just find one person hanging on a rope somewhere in a basement instead of two guys in suits duking it out in the server room.Let's get ready to rummmmmmbbbbbbbbllleeeeeeeee!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441262</id>
	<title>tough titty says the kitty</title>
	<author>axl917</author>
	<datestamp>1268335800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time for some to upgrade, then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time for some to upgrade , then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time for some to upgrade, then.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31449808</id>
	<title>Upgrade == patch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268392800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shouldn't the "patch" just upgrade everything to IE8 with its slightly smaller amounts of massively exploited flaws?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't the " patch " just upgrade everything to IE8 with its slightly smaller amounts of massively exploited flaws ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't the "patch" just upgrade everything to IE8 with its slightly smaller amounts of massively exploited flaws?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441910</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1268338380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whoever is in charge of your main IT department should be fired. Out of a cannon.</p></div><p>We could finally find out what happens when an infinitely dense (i.e. unstoppable) skull meets an immovable brick wall!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever is in charge of your main IT department should be fired .
Out of a cannon.We could finally find out what happens when an infinitely dense ( i.e .
unstoppable ) skull meets an immovable brick wall !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever is in charge of your main IT department should be fired.
Out of a cannon.We could finally find out what happens when an infinitely dense (i.e.
unstoppable) skull meets an immovable brick wall!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441828</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441432</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1268336460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it is funny. What is tragic is that recently we wanted to go to IE8. Some major program we use did not work anymore, while it worked with IE7. When asked if they could solve the issue, the answer was that the program was made for IE6 so we should downgrade to that.<br>What makes it double sad is that that 'advice came from the main IT department.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it is funny .
What is tragic is that recently we wanted to go to IE8 .
Some major program we use did not work anymore , while it worked with IE7 .
When asked if they could solve the issue , the answer was that the program was made for IE6 so we should downgrade to that.What makes it double sad is that that 'advice came from the main IT department .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it is funny.
What is tragic is that recently we wanted to go to IE8.
Some major program we use did not work anymore, while it worked with IE7.
When asked if they could solve the issue, the answer was that the program was made for IE6 so we should downgrade to that.What makes it double sad is that that 'advice came from the main IT department.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441510</id>
	<title>Sample 'sploit code?</title>
	<author>TheMidget</author>
	<datestamp>1268336820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those of us who have a web site, does anybody have a code snippet to put on our pages? Like changing IE's homepage to goatse, or somesuch...</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those of us who have a web site , does anybody have a code snippet to put on our pages ?
Like changing IE 's homepage to goatse , or somesuch.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those of us who have a web site, does anybody have a code snippet to put on our pages?
Like changing IE's homepage to goatse, or somesuch...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441864</id>
	<title>Re:...and?</title>
	<author>Phrogman</author>
	<datestamp>1268338260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there will always be organizations who are too large to easily upgrade anything, even something as simple as a browser version, without it cost a ton of money. If you are well prepared and organized I am sure its not that bad, just time consuming, but for many companies, IT sucks hind tit and doesn't get the money, personnel or resources it needs to do something like a system wide upgrade - they exist on the bare minimum required to operate.</p><p>And there will always be users who buy a computer and treat it like a toaster - it does what they want until it doesn't. Then they are fucked because they don't even know that you can upgrade, let alone how. Never underestimate how little the average computer user actually knows about their computer. The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. crowd find that hard to believe, but for the average person configuring their PC *is* like rocket science (yeah I know some of you out there are rocket scientists, pick a different metaphor), and they have no idea how or where to start.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there will always be organizations who are too large to easily upgrade anything , even something as simple as a browser version , without it cost a ton of money .
If you are well prepared and organized I am sure its not that bad , just time consuming , but for many companies , IT sucks hind tit and does n't get the money , personnel or resources it needs to do something like a system wide upgrade - they exist on the bare minimum required to operate.And there will always be users who buy a computer and treat it like a toaster - it does what they want until it does n't .
Then they are fucked because they do n't even know that you can upgrade , let alone how .
Never underestimate how little the average computer user actually knows about their computer .
The / .
crowd find that hard to believe , but for the average person configuring their PC * is * like rocket science ( yeah I know some of you out there are rocket scientists , pick a different metaphor ) , and they have no idea how or where to start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there will always be organizations who are too large to easily upgrade anything, even something as simple as a browser version, without it cost a ton of money.
If you are well prepared and organized I am sure its not that bad, just time consuming, but for many companies, IT sucks hind tit and doesn't get the money, personnel or resources it needs to do something like a system wide upgrade - they exist on the bare minimum required to operate.And there will always be users who buy a computer and treat it like a toaster - it does what they want until it doesn't.
Then they are fucked because they don't even know that you can upgrade, let alone how.
Never underestimate how little the average computer user actually knows about their computer.
The /.
crowd find that hard to believe, but for the average person configuring their PC *is* like rocket science (yeah I know some of you out there are rocket scientists, pick a different metaphor), and they have no idea how or where to start.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31441586</id>
	<title>Re:Serves the noobs right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget your IE5 I'm gonna go spend $1000 on a Mac, 'cause their ALWAYS safer, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget your IE5 I 'm gon na go spend $ 1000 on a Mac , 'cause their ALWAYS safer , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget your IE5 I'm gonna go spend $1000 on a Mac, 'cause their ALWAYS safer, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_170225.31442036</id>
	<title>Pick up the rope, stay with the tour</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was reported yesterday but modded down.  Today it's important enough?  Feh.  Slashdot's moderation system is still as broken as ever, I see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was reported yesterday but modded down .
Today it 's important enough ?
Feh. Slashdot 's moderation system is still as broken as ever , I see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was reported yesterday but modded down.
Today it's important enough?
Feh.  Slashdot's moderation system is still as broken as ever, I see.</sentencetext>
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