<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_10_0042237</id>
	<title>US Considers Some Free Wireless Broadband Service</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268238540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>gollum123 writes <i>"US regulators may <a href="http://government.zdnet.com/?p=7609">dedicate spectrum to free wireless Internet service for some Americans</a> to increase affordable broadband service nationwide, the Federal Communications Commission said on Tuesday. The FCC provided few details about how it would carry out such a plan and who would qualify, but will make a recommendation under the National Broadband Plan set for release next week. The agency will determine details later. One way of making broadband more affordable is to 'consider use of spectrum for a free or a very low-cost wireless broadband service,' the FCC said in a statement."</i> Nobody has more than a couple of paragraphs on this story. None of the press coverage mentions the obvious likelihood that any such free network would be heavily filtered, censored, and monitored.</htmltext>
<tokenext>gollum123 writes " US regulators may dedicate spectrum to free wireless Internet service for some Americans to increase affordable broadband service nationwide , the Federal Communications Commission said on Tuesday .
The FCC provided few details about how it would carry out such a plan and who would qualify , but will make a recommendation under the National Broadband Plan set for release next week .
The agency will determine details later .
One way of making broadband more affordable is to 'consider use of spectrum for a free or a very low-cost wireless broadband service, ' the FCC said in a statement .
" Nobody has more than a couple of paragraphs on this story .
None of the press coverage mentions the obvious likelihood that any such free network would be heavily filtered , censored , and monitored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gollum123 writes "US regulators may dedicate spectrum to free wireless Internet service for some Americans to increase affordable broadband service nationwide, the Federal Communications Commission said on Tuesday.
The FCC provided few details about how it would carry out such a plan and who would qualify, but will make a recommendation under the National Broadband Plan set for release next week.
The agency will determine details later.
One way of making broadband more affordable is to 'consider use of spectrum for a free or a very low-cost wireless broadband service,' the FCC said in a statement.
" Nobody has more than a couple of paragraphs on this story.
None of the press coverage mentions the obvious likelihood that any such free network would be heavily filtered, censored, and monitored.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31425226</id>
	<title>Re:Her actual comments are less tech-oriented</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268232000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always love when people give a handful of reasons, and it is supposed to be one of those. How about we add some other possibilities shall we?</p><p>4. You don't like the business practices of the few or one company in your area, and would rather do without rather than lining their pocket. Dial-up definitely sucks, but there was a lot more to choose from then.</p><p>5. You don't have any need. Not every person on this planet needs broadband. They talk about not being able to look for jobs. Well, unless the place you are applying to requires you to upload a massive video file for an interview I think normal internet access would be sufficient.</p><p>What I would love to see is the service to be free. Companies exist to sell hardware to allow you to connect, and others can exist to help install or service the actual hardware. This allows for more competition, and since the service is free it allows people the opportunity to be more self sufficient if they wish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always love when people give a handful of reasons , and it is supposed to be one of those .
How about we add some other possibilities shall we ? 4 .
You do n't like the business practices of the few or one company in your area , and would rather do without rather than lining their pocket .
Dial-up definitely sucks , but there was a lot more to choose from then.5 .
You do n't have any need .
Not every person on this planet needs broadband .
They talk about not being able to look for jobs .
Well , unless the place you are applying to requires you to upload a massive video file for an interview I think normal internet access would be sufficient.What I would love to see is the service to be free .
Companies exist to sell hardware to allow you to connect , and others can exist to help install or service the actual hardware .
This allows for more competition , and since the service is free it allows people the opportunity to be more self sufficient if they wish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always love when people give a handful of reasons, and it is supposed to be one of those.
How about we add some other possibilities shall we?4.
You don't like the business practices of the few or one company in your area, and would rather do without rather than lining their pocket.
Dial-up definitely sucks, but there was a lot more to choose from then.5.
You don't have any need.
Not every person on this planet needs broadband.
They talk about not being able to look for jobs.
Well, unless the place you are applying to requires you to upload a massive video file for an interview I think normal internet access would be sufficient.What I would love to see is the service to be free.
Companies exist to sell hardware to allow you to connect, and others can exist to help install or service the actual hardware.
This allows for more competition, and since the service is free it allows people the opportunity to be more self sufficient if they wish.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423418</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31426138</id>
	<title>free broadband</title>
	<author>fatbuckel</author>
	<datestamp>1268236680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It`ll never happen...if it does,they`ll find some way to charge for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It ` ll never happen...if it does,they ` ll find some way to charge for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It`ll never happen...if it does,they`ll find some way to charge for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31433022</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Capt.DrumkenBum</author>
	<datestamp>1268227560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>First comes government cheese.</p></div></blockquote><p>
But I am lactose intolerant, you insensitive clods.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First comes government cheese .
But I am lactose intolerant , you insensitive clods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First comes government cheese.
But I am lactose intolerant, you insensitive clods.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423092</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this leaves me with only one conclusion!  President Obama is really candlejack!  We have to....*no carrier*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this leaves me with only one conclusion !
President Obama is really candlejack !
We have to.... * no carrier *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this leaves me with only one conclusion!
President Obama is really candlejack!
We have to....*no carrier*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423054</id>
	<title>In other news ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Xbox live subscriptions have hit an all time high</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xbox live subscriptions have hit an all time high</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xbox live subscriptions have hit an all time high</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31427312</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1268241600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" Yeah, bet on monitoring.."<br>that would be a loosing bet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Yeah , bet on monitoring.. " that would be a loosing bet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" Yeah, bet on monitoring.."that would be a loosing bet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424850</id>
	<title>I understand it's a new concept to some of you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268227500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have any of you tuned in to over-the-air television recently? Imagine that, but with the internet.</p><p>The FCC would be doing it's job properly to open a range in the spectrum to public internet, license it to qualified providers, and then play watch dog over it.</p><p>If you're worried about internet wardrobe malfunctions being banned, and you should be, then you should stop with the grumbling and get behind this movement while promoting freedom of speech and expression on the internet as it always has been.</p><p>Just because Cable TV has more channels, that doesn't mean it's the only way to tune in. Trust me, I know. I grew up in an area that you couldn't actually get cable. Which also means I couldn't get broadband.</p><p>Eventually we will all have to get used to the idea that the internet is a utility in the sense that it drives commerce and carries public concern. It's our modern electricity. It has to be made available to everyone for us to continue as an equal society. The government will become involved. It's up to us to determine whether that's in a fashion like our current electric and telecom monopolies or in a more acceptable manner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have any of you tuned in to over-the-air television recently ?
Imagine that , but with the internet.The FCC would be doing it 's job properly to open a range in the spectrum to public internet , license it to qualified providers , and then play watch dog over it.If you 're worried about internet wardrobe malfunctions being banned , and you should be , then you should stop with the grumbling and get behind this movement while promoting freedom of speech and expression on the internet as it always has been.Just because Cable TV has more channels , that does n't mean it 's the only way to tune in .
Trust me , I know .
I grew up in an area that you could n't actually get cable .
Which also means I could n't get broadband.Eventually we will all have to get used to the idea that the internet is a utility in the sense that it drives commerce and carries public concern .
It 's our modern electricity .
It has to be made available to everyone for us to continue as an equal society .
The government will become involved .
It 's up to us to determine whether that 's in a fashion like our current electric and telecom monopolies or in a more acceptable manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have any of you tuned in to over-the-air television recently?
Imagine that, but with the internet.The FCC would be doing it's job properly to open a range in the spectrum to public internet, license it to qualified providers, and then play watch dog over it.If you're worried about internet wardrobe malfunctions being banned, and you should be, then you should stop with the grumbling and get behind this movement while promoting freedom of speech and expression on the internet as it always has been.Just because Cable TV has more channels, that doesn't mean it's the only way to tune in.
Trust me, I know.
I grew up in an area that you couldn't actually get cable.
Which also means I couldn't get broadband.Eventually we will all have to get used to the idea that the internet is a utility in the sense that it drives commerce and carries public concern.
It's our modern electricity.
It has to be made available to everyone for us to continue as an equal society.
The government will become involved.
It's up to us to determine whether that's in a fashion like our current electric and telecom monopolies or in a more acceptable manner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424068</id>
	<title>lacking broadband penetration ?</title>
	<author>johncandale</author>
	<datestamp>1268214780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really don't see a lacking of broadband penetration any more, this isn't 1999.   Maybe about the working poor not affording/knowing how to use computersm but if they actullly get a computer, they get brondband if they need it.   Why not give away free telephone service too?   It's alot more importantand VOIP makes it dirt cheap, or free water, etc.   The market place is working just fine for broadband, no need to make it a government utility.   Same for cell phones</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't see a lacking of broadband penetration any more , this is n't 1999 .
Maybe about the working poor not affording/knowing how to use computersm but if they actullly get a computer , they get brondband if they need it .
Why not give away free telephone service too ?
It 's alot more importantand VOIP makes it dirt cheap , or free water , etc .
The market place is working just fine for broadband , no need to make it a government utility .
Same for cell phones</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't see a lacking of broadband penetration any more, this isn't 1999.
Maybe about the working poor not affording/knowing how to use computersm but if they actullly get a computer, they get brondband if they need it.
Why not give away free telephone service too?
It's alot more importantand VOIP makes it dirt cheap, or free water, etc.
The market place is working just fine for broadband, no need to make it a government utility.
Same for cell phones</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424398</id>
	<title>CCC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268220180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Civilian Commmunications Corp will install fiber because it is good for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Civilian Commmunications Corp will install fiber because it is good for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civilian Commmunications Corp will install fiber because it is good for you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31426880</id>
	<title>Re:more likely motivation</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1268239860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't be ridiculous. This is a story posted by kdawson. If it doesn't involve some maniacal government conspiracy to rape the public it's not worth posting.
<br> <br>
[insert you must be new joke here]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be ridiculous .
This is a story posted by kdawson .
If it does n't involve some maniacal government conspiracy to rape the public it 's not worth posting .
[ insert you must be new joke here ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be ridiculous.
This is a story posted by kdawson.
If it doesn't involve some maniacal government conspiracy to rape the public it's not worth posting.
[insert you must be new joke here]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423434</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31433366</id>
	<title>Sweet</title>
	<author>OrwellianLurker</author>
	<datestamp>1268230140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So I can pay taxes for others to have censored internet... How about instead, the Federal government works to remove monopolies? I only have one DSL provider in my area and the speeds are terrible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I can pay taxes for others to have censored internet... How about instead , the Federal government works to remove monopolies ?
I only have one DSL provider in my area and the speeds are terrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I can pay taxes for others to have censored internet... How about instead, the Federal government works to remove monopolies?
I only have one DSL provider in my area and the speeds are terrible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31441842</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>vuffi\_raa</author>
	<datestamp>1268338200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the servers won't be run by the government any more than NBC and CBS and FOX and ABC are run by the government-</htmltext>
<tokenext>the servers wo n't be run by the government any more than NBC and CBS and FOX and ABC are run by the government-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the servers won't be run by the government any more than NBC and CBS and FOX and ABC are run by the government-</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423100</id>
	<title>Given by the FCC, regulated by the FCC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See title</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See title</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See title</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423334</id>
	<title>redefining 'free'</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1268159700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>unless nobody gets paid for providing that, and nobody gets charged to make up for the free stuff, the word you're looking for is not "free", it's subsidized. Not that I'm against it, I really have no opinion right now, but I'm tired of people thinking stuff is free because others pay for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>unless nobody gets paid for providing that , and nobody gets charged to make up for the free stuff , the word you 're looking for is not " free " , it 's subsidized .
Not that I 'm against it , I really have no opinion right now , but I 'm tired of people thinking stuff is free because others pay for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unless nobody gets paid for providing that, and nobody gets charged to make up for the free stuff, the word you're looking for is not "free", it's subsidized.
Not that I'm against it, I really have no opinion right now, but I'm tired of people thinking stuff is free because others pay for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423418</id>
	<title>Her actual comments are less tech-oriented</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268161500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs\_public/attachmatch/DOC-296738A1.pdf" title="fcc.gov">actual remarks</a> [fcc.gov] by Commissioner Clyburn are a lot less technical than the SL summary implies.  What she wants doesn't have so much to do with the physical deployment of broadband (the "last mile"), as it does with actually adopting the broadband that's available (what she called the last "half-mile".)</p><p>Apparently, 93 million Americans don't use broadband, even though they could.  Why?  The Commish says its because 1) broadband costs too much,  2) non-users lack "digital literacy", and 3) non-users just don't see the benefit.  Her proposed fixes have a lot more in common with the Peace Corps than with the White Spaces Coalition:  provide free broadband to the poor, and form a National Digital Literacy Corps to deliver a National Digital Literacy Program while going home-to-home to help set up broadband.  Her model is the recent national switch-over to digital TV, where hundreds of thousands of volunteers went around and hooked people's TVs up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The actual remarks [ fcc.gov ] by Commissioner Clyburn are a lot less technical than the SL summary implies .
What she wants does n't have so much to do with the physical deployment of broadband ( the " last mile " ) , as it does with actually adopting the broadband that 's available ( what she called the last " half-mile " .
) Apparently , 93 million Americans do n't use broadband , even though they could .
Why ? The Commish says its because 1 ) broadband costs too much , 2 ) non-users lack " digital literacy " , and 3 ) non-users just do n't see the benefit .
Her proposed fixes have a lot more in common with the Peace Corps than with the White Spaces Coalition : provide free broadband to the poor , and form a National Digital Literacy Corps to deliver a National Digital Literacy Program while going home-to-home to help set up broadband .
Her model is the recent national switch-over to digital TV , where hundreds of thousands of volunteers went around and hooked people 's TVs up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The actual remarks [fcc.gov] by Commissioner Clyburn are a lot less technical than the SL summary implies.
What she wants doesn't have so much to do with the physical deployment of broadband (the "last mile"), as it does with actually adopting the broadband that's available (what she called the last "half-mile".
)Apparently, 93 million Americans don't use broadband, even though they could.
Why?  The Commish says its because 1) broadband costs too much,  2) non-users lack "digital literacy", and 3) non-users just don't see the benefit.
Her proposed fixes have a lot more in common with the Peace Corps than with the White Spaces Coalition:  provide free broadband to the poor, and form a National Digital Literacy Corps to deliver a National Digital Literacy Program while going home-to-home to help set up broadband.
Her model is the recent national switch-over to digital TV, where hundreds of thousands of volunteers went around and hooked people's TVs up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424948</id>
	<title>In a sense, it doesn't matter</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1268228880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The media people receive in sparsely populated areas is already "heavily filtered, censored, and monitored."  Just drive across Wyoming some time and see what the radio offers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The media people receive in sparsely populated areas is already " heavily filtered , censored , and monitored .
" Just drive across Wyoming some time and see what the radio offers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The media people receive in sparsely populated areas is already "heavily filtered, censored, and monitored.
"  Just drive across Wyoming some time and see what the radio offers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423066</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1268156340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not necessarily a bad thing if the scope is narrowed to emergency services or official business(state and local government agencies, in short) like filing tax paperwork, renewing vehicle registration or paying off tickets, and applying for and managing benefits(which would be facilitated by ubiquitous debit cards). It would eliminate a lot of paperwork and expensive face-time for the agencies involved as well as lower-class and/or rural citizens.<br> <br>

But for regular browsing news and Facebook-type stuff? Yeah, bet on monitoring...though the data collected won't be representitive of all demographics because the middle-class and wealthy will still have the "full-featured" broadband from cable providers...which are kinda monitored anyway, but that's beside the point.<br> <br>

Since the service must be allocated among a list of open frequencies, it's also possible that people subscribing to the service would need new gadgets to access the pipes. There's a lot of possibility for abuse if, say, the extra communication logic is subseqently required for "emergency" purposes in <i>all</i> gadgets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not necessarily a bad thing if the scope is narrowed to emergency services or official business ( state and local government agencies , in short ) like filing tax paperwork , renewing vehicle registration or paying off tickets , and applying for and managing benefits ( which would be facilitated by ubiquitous debit cards ) .
It would eliminate a lot of paperwork and expensive face-time for the agencies involved as well as lower-class and/or rural citizens .
But for regular browsing news and Facebook-type stuff ?
Yeah , bet on monitoring...though the data collected wo n't be representitive of all demographics because the middle-class and wealthy will still have the " full-featured " broadband from cable providers...which are kinda monitored anyway , but that 's beside the point .
Since the service must be allocated among a list of open frequencies , it 's also possible that people subscribing to the service would need new gadgets to access the pipes .
There 's a lot of possibility for abuse if , say , the extra communication logic is subseqently required for " emergency " purposes in all gadgets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not necessarily a bad thing if the scope is narrowed to emergency services or official business(state and local government agencies, in short) like filing tax paperwork, renewing vehicle registration or paying off tickets, and applying for and managing benefits(which would be facilitated by ubiquitous debit cards).
It would eliminate a lot of paperwork and expensive face-time for the agencies involved as well as lower-class and/or rural citizens.
But for regular browsing news and Facebook-type stuff?
Yeah, bet on monitoring...though the data collected won't be representitive of all demographics because the middle-class and wealthy will still have the "full-featured" broadband from cable providers...which are kinda monitored anyway, but that's beside the point.
Since the service must be allocated among a list of open frequencies, it's also possible that people subscribing to the service would need new gadgets to access the pipes.
There's a lot of possibility for abuse if, say, the extra communication logic is subseqently required for "emergency" purposes in all gadgets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424784</id>
	<title>Re: Free Government Broadband??</title>
	<author>gink1</author>
	<datestamp>1268226600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US is first and foremost a Capitalist nation. As such, giving citizens anything they could be made to pay for is completely alien.<br>(Just consider the "Healthcare Reform" Bill.)</p><p>Unless of course a major Corporation was to pay Congress to do this - but why would that ever happen?</p><p>Standing tall in the land of the rich and the poor</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is first and foremost a Capitalist nation .
As such , giving citizens anything they could be made to pay for is completely alien .
( Just consider the " Healthcare Reform " Bill .
) Unless of course a major Corporation was to pay Congress to do this - but why would that ever happen ? Standing tall in the land of the rich and the poor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US is first and foremost a Capitalist nation.
As such, giving citizens anything they could be made to pay for is completely alien.
(Just consider the "Healthcare Reform" Bill.
)Unless of course a major Corporation was to pay Congress to do this - but why would that ever happen?Standing tall in the land of the rich and the poor</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423140</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1268157300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>First comes government cheese.</i></p><p>Yeah really. I'd much prefer government Twinkies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First comes government cheese.Yeah really .
I 'd much prefer government Twinkies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First comes government cheese.Yeah really.
I'd much prefer government Twinkies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31441798</id>
	<title>We are not talking about a government utility.</title>
	<author>bobs666</author>
	<datestamp>1268338020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are talking, Free as in freedom of speech</p><p>Not as in your free to read for me in the city square.</p><p>It is currently Illegal for me to put a<br>Cell Phone Router on my roof.</p><p>It is legal for me to go out and buy a gun.<br>It is not legal for me to shoot you with it.<br>There have  to be Rules to make a Wireless<br>Network Grid Work.  And until the FCC gives up<br>the spectrum and makes the rules, hardware can not<br>be built and  I can not join in to the free open cell phone network.<br>Yes you could text and get e-mail too  so how much do you pay<br>for e-mail, and phone?</p><p>Sure the network is not completely free.<br>And there will be people that will use it<br>without putting up a router.  But then if  your<br>out or your routers range, you will want to use<br>other peoples routers as well.<br>It a matter of being civicly-responsible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are talking , Free as in freedom of speechNot as in your free to read for me in the city square.It is currently Illegal for me to put aCell Phone Router on my roof.It is legal for me to go out and buy a gun.It is not legal for me to shoot you with it.There have to be Rules to make a WirelessNetwork Grid Work .
And until the FCC gives upthe spectrum and makes the rules , hardware can notbe built and I can not join in to the free open cell phone network.Yes you could text and get e-mail too so how much do you payfor e-mail , and phone ? Sure the network is not completely free.And there will be people that will use itwithout putting up a router .
But then if yourout or your routers range , you will want to useother peoples routers as well.It a matter of being civicly-responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are talking, Free as in freedom of speechNot as in your free to read for me in the city square.It is currently Illegal for me to put aCell Phone Router on my roof.It is legal for me to go out and buy a gun.It is not legal for me to shoot you with it.There have  to be Rules to make a WirelessNetwork Grid Work.
And until the FCC gives upthe spectrum and makes the rules, hardware can notbe built and  I can not join in to the free open cell phone network.Yes you could text and get e-mail too  so how much do you payfor e-mail, and phone?Sure the network is not completely free.And there will be people that will use itwithout putting up a router.
But then if  yourout or your routers range, you will want to useother peoples routers as well.It a matter of being civicly-responsible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423154</id>
	<title>TANSTAAFL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268157480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There ain't no such thing as a free lunch!</p><p>Taxation, inflation, and other forms of THEFT will be used to pay for this involuntary "service" to the detriment of the voluntary (aka private) sector, and it will further empower the government to control the Internet.</p><p>I'm a big fan of free broadband WiFi provided by neighborhood associations, local business alliances, charities, etc, etc, etc - but not by an overgrown mafia organization with a monopoly on violent force!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There ai n't no such thing as a free lunch ! Taxation , inflation , and other forms of THEFT will be used to pay for this involuntary " service " to the detriment of the voluntary ( aka private ) sector , and it will further empower the government to control the Internet.I 'm a big fan of free broadband WiFi provided by neighborhood associations , local business alliances , charities , etc , etc , etc - but not by an overgrown mafia organization with a monopoly on violent force !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There ain't no such thing as a free lunch!Taxation, inflation, and other forms of THEFT will be used to pay for this involuntary "service" to the detriment of the voluntary (aka private) sector, and it will further empower the government to control the Internet.I'm a big fan of free broadband WiFi provided by neighborhood associations, local business alliances, charities, etc, etc, etc - but not by an overgrown mafia organization with a monopoly on violent force!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423076</id>
	<title>It's been done before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go <a href="http://www.jarsquatter.com/" title="jarsquatter.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [jarsquatter.com] for more info.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go here [ jarsquatter.com ] for more info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go here [jarsquatter.com] for more info.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423158</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268157480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm less worried about the government blocking sites than I am about them recording my usage "for law-enforcement purposes"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm less worried about the government blocking sites than I am about them recording my usage " for law-enforcement purposes "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm less worried about the government blocking sites than I am about them recording my usage "for law-enforcement purposes"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423050</id>
	<title>quit worrying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, the gummint is going to follow you around and spy on you.  Welcome to the nanny state.  Quit worrying about it.  If you know they're watching you then you know to behave like you're being watched.  Get used to the feeling because it's not going to stop with the internet.   You can pretty much figure that any communication you have over public airwaves or utilities is monitored.  I'm constantly amazed by the idiots that talk about illegal activity over the phone.  Just assume you're being monitored and quit worrying about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the gummint is going to follow you around and spy on you .
Welcome to the nanny state .
Quit worrying about it .
If you know they 're watching you then you know to behave like you 're being watched .
Get used to the feeling because it 's not going to stop with the internet .
You can pretty much figure that any communication you have over public airwaves or utilities is monitored .
I 'm constantly amazed by the idiots that talk about illegal activity over the phone .
Just assume you 're being monitored and quit worrying about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the gummint is going to follow you around and spy on you.
Welcome to the nanny state.
Quit worrying about it.
If you know they're watching you then you know to behave like you're being watched.
Get used to the feeling because it's not going to stop with the internet.
You can pretty much figure that any communication you have over public airwaves or utilities is monitored.
I'm constantly amazed by the idiots that talk about illegal activity over the phone.
Just assume you're being monitored and quit worrying about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423186</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1268157900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First comes government cheese. Then comes government health care. Now comes government internet connections. Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- *NO CARRIER*</p></div><p>If you hadn't noticed, Government has been monitoring communications since they set up ECHELON in the 60s.</p><p>If you really want to talk about goverment cheese, let's discuss the billions in subsidies/tax cuts/etc that have been given to telecom companies.<br>Anyone with two eyeballs can look at the market for certain services (including healthcare) and see that the market is broken.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First comes government cheese .
Then comes government health care .
Now comes government internet connections .
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- * NO CARRIER * If you had n't noticed , Government has been monitoring communications since they set up ECHELON in the 60s.If you really want to talk about goverment cheese , let 's discuss the billions in subsidies/tax cuts/etc that have been given to telecom companies.Anyone with two eyeballs can look at the market for certain services ( including healthcare ) and see that the market is broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First comes government cheese.
Then comes government health care.
Now comes government internet connections.
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- *NO CARRIER*If you hadn't noticed, Government has been monitoring communications since they set up ECHELON in the 60s.If you really want to talk about goverment cheese, let's discuss the billions in subsidies/tax cuts/etc that have been given to telecom companies.Anyone with two eyeballs can look at the market for certain services (including healthcare) and see that the market is broken.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423018</id>
	<title>But will it be monitored?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is all well and good but will I be allowed to use encryption, host services, will I be monitored?</p><p>Seems like this could end up making wired service (a more privelaged internet connection, if you will) more expensive and inaccessible to the common user.</p><p>Then we'll just be where we started. With the broadcasters and the consumers (of information).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all well and good but will I be allowed to use encryption , host services , will I be monitored ? Seems like this could end up making wired service ( a more privelaged internet connection , if you will ) more expensive and inaccessible to the common user.Then we 'll just be where we started .
With the broadcasters and the consumers ( of information ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all well and good but will I be allowed to use encryption, host services, will I be monitored?Seems like this could end up making wired service (a more privelaged internet connection, if you will) more expensive and inaccessible to the common user.Then we'll just be where we started.
With the broadcasters and the consumers (of information).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423382</id>
	<title>Never leave the basement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268160780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm a big fan of free broadband WiFi provided by neighborhood associations, local business alliances, charities, etc, etc, etc - but not by an overgrown mafia organization with a monopoly on violent force!</i> </p><p>The geek out-of-doors is truly a babe in the woods.</p><p>The neighborhood association can be far tougher and more relentless in its demands for conformity than any governmental agency you are ever likely to encounter.</p><p>The real Mafias of this world begin with control of the street.</p><p>They see themselves - and want to be seen by others - as an extended family or clan. More Russian than Russia. That gives them legitimacy and power a gun cannot buy.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a big fan of free broadband WiFi provided by neighborhood associations , local business alliances , charities , etc , etc , etc - but not by an overgrown mafia organization with a monopoly on violent force !
The geek out-of-doors is truly a babe in the woods.The neighborhood association can be far tougher and more relentless in its demands for conformity than any governmental agency you are ever likely to encounter.The real Mafias of this world begin with control of the street.They see themselves - and want to be seen by others - as an extended family or clan .
More Russian than Russia .
That gives them legitimacy and power a gun can not buy .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a big fan of free broadband WiFi provided by neighborhood associations, local business alliances, charities, etc, etc, etc - but not by an overgrown mafia organization with a monopoly on violent force!
The geek out-of-doors is truly a babe in the woods.The neighborhood association can be far tougher and more relentless in its demands for conformity than any governmental agency you are ever likely to encounter.The real Mafias of this world begin with control of the street.They see themselves - and want to be seen by others - as an extended family or clan.
More Russian than Russia.
That gives them legitimacy and power a gun cannot buy.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31428012</id>
	<title>Obamanet?</title>
	<author>GottMitUns</author>
	<datestamp>1268244840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is already a US Gov't supported  <a href="https://www.safelinkwireless.com/" title="safelinkwireless.com" rel="nofollow">program</a> [safelinkwireless.com](aka Obamaphone) for "low income" population. What is going on with America!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is already a US Gov't supported program [ safelinkwireless.com ] ( aka Obamaphone ) for " low income " population .
What is going on with America ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is already a US Gov't supported  program [safelinkwireless.com](aka Obamaphone) for "low income" population.
What is going on with America!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423682</id>
	<title>We've already paid for it, but will never get it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268253240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.teletruth.org/" title="teletruth.org">We've already paid 320 billion</a> [teletruth.org] to get fiber to the home that never got installed. If the FCC and state utilities would simply hold the telcos to the existing contracts it'd be a done deal. But we'd have to have politicians not beholden to the industry. My local House rep Fred Upton was previously chair of the Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet. Not surprising to see SBC, Verizon, and other telcos giving upwards of 100K a year (according to opensecrets.org).  Corporatism at its finest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've already paid 320 billion [ teletruth.org ] to get fiber to the home that never got installed .
If the FCC and state utilities would simply hold the telcos to the existing contracts it 'd be a done deal .
But we 'd have to have politicians not beholden to the industry .
My local House rep Fred Upton was previously chair of the Subcommittee on Communications , Technology , and the Internet .
Not surprising to see SBC , Verizon , and other telcos giving upwards of 100K a year ( according to opensecrets.org ) .
Corporatism at its finest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've already paid 320 billion [teletruth.org] to get fiber to the home that never got installed.
If the FCC and state utilities would simply hold the telcos to the existing contracts it'd be a done deal.
But we'd have to have politicians not beholden to the industry.
My local House rep Fred Upton was previously chair of the Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet.
Not surprising to see SBC, Verizon, and other telcos giving upwards of 100K a year (according to opensecrets.org).
Corporatism at its finest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424736</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268225820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"None of the press coverage mentions the obvious likelihood that any such free network would be heavily filtered, censored, and monitored."</p><p>Yes, by the JEWS...</p><p>Who are currently running the U.S. into the ground...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" None of the press coverage mentions the obvious likelihood that any such free network would be heavily filtered , censored , and monitored .
" Yes , by the JEWS...Who are currently running the U.S. into the ground.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"None of the press coverage mentions the obvious likelihood that any such free network would be heavily filtered, censored, and monitored.
"Yes, by the JEWS...Who are currently running the U.S. into the ground...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424782</id>
	<title>Pipe Dream</title>
	<author>Sparkle</author>
	<datestamp>1268226480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems to me the target for this stuff would be the un-served rural population.  There are millions of us out here who will be dead and gone long before we get even DSL service.  You are looking at huge areas with insufficient population to support any "for profit" service except possibly wireless.</p><p>That brings us to the infrastructure needed.  You have to have towers, power, radios, antennas, and back haul.  Just because you make the spectrum "free" and declare service free does not put the necessary equipment in place.</p><p>Maybe they will pay for it with the surplus funds they make from 0bama health care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to me the target for this stuff would be the un-served rural population .
There are millions of us out here who will be dead and gone long before we get even DSL service .
You are looking at huge areas with insufficient population to support any " for profit " service except possibly wireless.That brings us to the infrastructure needed .
You have to have towers , power , radios , antennas , and back haul .
Just because you make the spectrum " free " and declare service free does not put the necessary equipment in place.Maybe they will pay for it with the surplus funds they make from 0bama health care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to me the target for this stuff would be the un-served rural population.
There are millions of us out here who will be dead and gone long before we get even DSL service.
You are looking at huge areas with insufficient population to support any "for profit" service except possibly wireless.That brings us to the infrastructure needed.
You have to have towers, power, radios, antennas, and back haul.
Just because you make the spectrum "free" and declare service free does not put the necessary equipment in place.Maybe they will pay for it with the surplus funds they make from 0bama health care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423340</id>
	<title>Why not just</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268159760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Setup our own MESH type networks? I was thinking about this. I know there are ports of OpenWRT that let you mod a Linksys WRT54G to do bridging. That would do the trick.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Setup our own MESH type networks ?
I was thinking about this .
I know there are ports of OpenWRT that let you mod a Linksys WRT54G to do bridging .
That would do the trick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Setup our own MESH type networks?
I was thinking about this.
I know there are ports of OpenWRT that let you mod a Linksys WRT54G to do bridging.
That would do the trick.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31427804</id>
	<title>Re:Community fiber</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268243880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I have heard it would cost $1,500 per home"</p><p>I know I offered Verizon more than 6x that to get fiber to my home.  They even had unused ISDN fiber connected to the telephone hub (we have underground wires to the residential area, not telephone poles, so whatever that little green tower is where they connect the twisted pair prior to the run that goes to the grey box attached to the residence is called).</p><p>They wouldn't do it.  Then again, 6 years back, the CO here only offers T1 lines, although they supposedly offered 7mbit DSL if you had direct copper.  Most of the area, however, was served by pair gain crap.  Today, you can't get FiOS, probably because Comcast became so dominant (and then shitty because of the lack of competition).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I have heard it would cost $ 1,500 per home " I know I offered Verizon more than 6x that to get fiber to my home .
They even had unused ISDN fiber connected to the telephone hub ( we have underground wires to the residential area , not telephone poles , so whatever that little green tower is where they connect the twisted pair prior to the run that goes to the grey box attached to the residence is called ) .They would n't do it .
Then again , 6 years back , the CO here only offers T1 lines , although they supposedly offered 7mbit DSL if you had direct copper .
Most of the area , however , was served by pair gain crap .
Today , you ca n't get FiOS , probably because Comcast became so dominant ( and then shitty because of the lack of competition ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I have heard it would cost $1,500 per home"I know I offered Verizon more than 6x that to get fiber to my home.
They even had unused ISDN fiber connected to the telephone hub (we have underground wires to the residential area, not telephone poles, so whatever that little green tower is where they connect the twisted pair prior to the run that goes to the grey box attached to the residence is called).They wouldn't do it.
Then again, 6 years back, the CO here only offers T1 lines, although they supposedly offered 7mbit DSL if you had direct copper.
Most of the area, however, was served by pair gain crap.
Today, you can't get FiOS, probably because Comcast became so dominant (and then shitty because of the lack of competition).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423434</id>
	<title>more likely motivation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268161980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't it more likely, whatever are the specifics, that this kind of announcement, coming from the Feds, is an attempt at creating competitive pressure on the current ISPs to expand their network and/or keep prices stable or lower?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it more likely , whatever are the specifics , that this kind of announcement , coming from the Feds , is an attempt at creating competitive pressure on the current ISPs to expand their network and/or keep prices stable or lower ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it more likely, whatever are the specifics, that this kind of announcement, coming from the Feds, is an attempt at creating competitive pressure on the current ISPs to expand their network and/or keep prices stable or lower?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424272</id>
	<title>Re:Community fiber</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268217600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or just start getting the municipalities to run a pipe from the homes to a central hub.  Yes I mean a pipe as in a cylinder of metal, plastic, or concrete.  It would only have to be the size of your sewer line to allow for a dozen different providers.  Municipalities are already experienced in the low tech job os running pipes to people's homes, and around cities.  I know that my home has three different pipes running into it now.  A forth pipe wouldn't be a big deal.<br> <br>

You can bet if all a startup had to do was pull a wire through a pipe to hook up new customers, we would see a lot more competition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or just start getting the municipalities to run a pipe from the homes to a central hub .
Yes I mean a pipe as in a cylinder of metal , plastic , or concrete .
It would only have to be the size of your sewer line to allow for a dozen different providers .
Municipalities are already experienced in the low tech job os running pipes to people 's homes , and around cities .
I know that my home has three different pipes running into it now .
A forth pipe would n't be a big deal .
You can bet if all a startup had to do was pull a wire through a pipe to hook up new customers , we would see a lot more competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or just start getting the municipalities to run a pipe from the homes to a central hub.
Yes I mean a pipe as in a cylinder of metal, plastic, or concrete.
It would only have to be the size of your sewer line to allow for a dozen different providers.
Municipalities are already experienced in the low tech job os running pipes to people's homes, and around cities.
I know that my home has three different pipes running into it now.
A forth pipe wouldn't be a big deal.
You can bet if all a startup had to do was pull a wire through a pipe to hook up new customers, we would see a lot more competition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31424944</id>
	<title>Never happen</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1268228820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The devout village elders with buckles on their hats and scarlett letters at the ready will prevent the free distribution of anything relating to (shudder) sexuality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The devout village elders with buckles on their hats and scarlett letters at the ready will prevent the free distribution of anything relating to ( shudder ) sexuality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The devout village elders with buckles on their hats and scarlett letters at the ready will prevent the free distribution of anything relating to (shudder) sexuality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31425924</id>
	<title>Re:Never leave the basement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268235720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this man is wise beyond his years, mod this up</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this man is wise beyond his years , mod this up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this man is wise beyond his years, mod this up</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423016</id>
	<title>F.P.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Free. Porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Free .
Porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free.
Porn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31426428</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Blue Stone</author>
	<datestamp>1268237880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;First comes government cheese. Then comes government health care. Now comes government internet connections. Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter[net.]</p><p>I *know*<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it's ridiculous!</p><p>All those things should be the preserve of private corporations!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; First comes government cheese .
Then comes government health care .
Now comes government internet connections .
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter [ net .
] I * know * ... it 's ridiculous ! All those things should be the preserve of private corporations !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;First comes government cheese.
Then comes government health care.
Now comes government internet connections.
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter[net.
]I *know* ... it's ridiculous!All those things should be the preserve of private corporations!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31427406</id>
	<title>Re:TANSTAAFL</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1268242020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are an idiot.</p><p>You have far more control over what happens with government provided access then you do with private organizations.</p><p>Here is a clue, moron: the government DOES control the internet. It created it, and it controls right away for the pipes. Contrary to what myopic morons like yourself seem to believe, against all evidence, you DO have a voice in the government. you do NOT have a voice with a private company, unless you own a significant portion of said corporation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are an idiot.You have far more control over what happens with government provided access then you do with private organizations.Here is a clue , moron : the government DOES control the internet .
It created it , and it controls right away for the pipes .
Contrary to what myopic morons like yourself seem to believe , against all evidence , you DO have a voice in the government .
you do NOT have a voice with a private company , unless you own a significant portion of said corporation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are an idiot.You have far more control over what happens with government provided access then you do with private organizations.Here is a clue, moron: the government DOES control the internet.
It created it, and it controls right away for the pipes.
Contrary to what myopic morons like yourself seem to believe, against all evidence, you DO have a voice in the government.
you do NOT have a voice with a private company, unless you own a significant portion of said corporation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423154</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423128</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268157240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see nothing in the liked article that says the "free or low cost service" would be run by the government, just that they'd consider allowing companies, localities, and nonprofits to use these frequencies if that's what they do with it.</p><p>As always, you put a lot of your trust in your ISP, so choose carefully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see nothing in the liked article that says the " free or low cost service " would be run by the government , just that they 'd consider allowing companies , localities , and nonprofits to use these frequencies if that 's what they do with it.As always , you put a lot of your trust in your ISP , so choose carefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see nothing in the liked article that says the "free or low cost service" would be run by the government, just that they'd consider allowing companies, localities, and nonprofits to use these frequencies if that's what they do with it.As always, you put a lot of your trust in your ISP, so choose carefully.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31429120</id>
	<title>Re:TANSTAAFL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268250240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You have far more control over what happens with government provided access then you do with private organizations.</p></div><p>I have zero control over government and pretty much zero hope of ever escaping it without being thrown in jail or killed for tax resistance, which is my most likely fate.</p><p>With private organizations there's always a choice.  No one is forcing me to use <i>Slashdot</i>, for example, it is a voluntary interaction between myself and whoever runs this site.  I can even start my own site and compete with this one, and that would be much easier than fighting a revolutionary war against a nuclear superpower that spends over a trillion stolen dollars a year on "defense"!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Here is a clue, moron: the government DOES control the internet.</p></div><p>Unfortunately, which is why freedom fighters like myself are creating alternative Internets based on 100\% privately-owned telecommunications infrastructure (ex. P2P wireless mesh networking) instead.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It created it, and it controls right away for the pipes.</p></div><p>The government didn't create the Internet, the private sector did.  The government merely jumped in front of that parade and made itself the boss through violence and theft.</p><p>The money governments spend on R&amp;D are always just a few crumbs compared to what they steal from the private sector, and their R&amp;D funding is always mis-allocated and corrupt.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Contrary to what myopic morons like yourself seem to believe, against all evidence, you DO have a voice in the government.</p></div><p>What evidence are you talking about?  No politician I ever voted for has ever been elected, and I don't plan on voting ever again.  I receive zero benefit and tremendous harm from government, and I have no way of opting out.</p><p>Furthermore, just having "a voice" in something is meaningless.  As a hypothetical thought experiment - if me and a few dozen of my armed friends were to come to your house and we vote on whether to kill you, does that make it all nice and fair?  After all, we did give you a vote, you just happened to be in minority!</p><p>See also:  <a href="http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2009/02/02/the-slave-test/" title="anarchyinyourhead.com" rel="nofollow">The Slave Test</a> [anarchyinyourhead.com].</p><p><div class="quote"><p>you do NOT have a voice with a private company, unless you own a significant portion of said corporation.</p></div><p>Yes I do.  I decide whether I want to do business with a private company or I don't, and to what degree.  No corporation can force me to buy its goods and services against my will, draft me into in its army against my will, make me use their currency monopoly that they can inflate against my will, force my children to attend their <a href="http://edu-lu-tion.com/" title="edu-lu-tion.com" rel="nofollow">indoctrination center (aka public school) against my will</a> [edu-lu-tion.com], etc, etc, etc.  If a corporation does any of those things, then it is a government instead!</p><p>Furthermore, I myself am a private corporation, of which I am in 100\% control.  A marriage is a corporation of which the partners share an agreed-upon degree of control.  Etc.</p><p>Corporations are not just the big businesses that you're thinking of, it is any legal entity, and the main reason why corporations get so big and powerful nowadays are the liability protections and other unearned privileges that your beloved Mommy Government gives them!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have far more control over what happens with government provided access then you do with private organizations.I have zero control over government and pretty much zero hope of ever escaping it without being thrown in jail or killed for tax resistance , which is my most likely fate.With private organizations there 's always a choice .
No one is forcing me to use Slashdot , for example , it is a voluntary interaction between myself and whoever runs this site .
I can even start my own site and compete with this one , and that would be much easier than fighting a revolutionary war against a nuclear superpower that spends over a trillion stolen dollars a year on " defense " ! Here is a clue , moron : the government DOES control the internet.Unfortunately , which is why freedom fighters like myself are creating alternative Internets based on 100 \ % privately-owned telecommunications infrastructure ( ex .
P2P wireless mesh networking ) instead.It created it , and it controls right away for the pipes.The government did n't create the Internet , the private sector did .
The government merely jumped in front of that parade and made itself the boss through violence and theft.The money governments spend on R&amp;D are always just a few crumbs compared to what they steal from the private sector , and their R&amp;D funding is always mis-allocated and corrupt.Contrary to what myopic morons like yourself seem to believe , against all evidence , you DO have a voice in the government.What evidence are you talking about ?
No politician I ever voted for has ever been elected , and I do n't plan on voting ever again .
I receive zero benefit and tremendous harm from government , and I have no way of opting out.Furthermore , just having " a voice " in something is meaningless .
As a hypothetical thought experiment - if me and a few dozen of my armed friends were to come to your house and we vote on whether to kill you , does that make it all nice and fair ?
After all , we did give you a vote , you just happened to be in minority ! See also : The Slave Test [ anarchyinyourhead.com ] .you do NOT have a voice with a private company , unless you own a significant portion of said corporation.Yes I do .
I decide whether I want to do business with a private company or I do n't , and to what degree .
No corporation can force me to buy its goods and services against my will , draft me into in its army against my will , make me use their currency monopoly that they can inflate against my will , force my children to attend their indoctrination center ( aka public school ) against my will [ edu-lu-tion.com ] , etc , etc , etc .
If a corporation does any of those things , then it is a government instead ! Furthermore , I myself am a private corporation , of which I am in 100 \ % control .
A marriage is a corporation of which the partners share an agreed-upon degree of control .
Etc.Corporations are not just the big businesses that you 're thinking of , it is any legal entity , and the main reason why corporations get so big and powerful nowadays are the liability protections and other unearned privileges that your beloved Mommy Government gives them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have far more control over what happens with government provided access then you do with private organizations.I have zero control over government and pretty much zero hope of ever escaping it without being thrown in jail or killed for tax resistance, which is my most likely fate.With private organizations there's always a choice.
No one is forcing me to use Slashdot, for example, it is a voluntary interaction between myself and whoever runs this site.
I can even start my own site and compete with this one, and that would be much easier than fighting a revolutionary war against a nuclear superpower that spends over a trillion stolen dollars a year on "defense"!Here is a clue, moron: the government DOES control the internet.Unfortunately, which is why freedom fighters like myself are creating alternative Internets based on 100\% privately-owned telecommunications infrastructure (ex.
P2P wireless mesh networking) instead.It created it, and it controls right away for the pipes.The government didn't create the Internet, the private sector did.
The government merely jumped in front of that parade and made itself the boss through violence and theft.The money governments spend on R&amp;D are always just a few crumbs compared to what they steal from the private sector, and their R&amp;D funding is always mis-allocated and corrupt.Contrary to what myopic morons like yourself seem to believe, against all evidence, you DO have a voice in the government.What evidence are you talking about?
No politician I ever voted for has ever been elected, and I don't plan on voting ever again.
I receive zero benefit and tremendous harm from government, and I have no way of opting out.Furthermore, just having "a voice" in something is meaningless.
As a hypothetical thought experiment - if me and a few dozen of my armed friends were to come to your house and we vote on whether to kill you, does that make it all nice and fair?
After all, we did give you a vote, you just happened to be in minority!See also:  The Slave Test [anarchyinyourhead.com].you do NOT have a voice with a private company, unless you own a significant portion of said corporation.Yes I do.
I decide whether I want to do business with a private company or I don't, and to what degree.
No corporation can force me to buy its goods and services against my will, draft me into in its army against my will, make me use their currency monopoly that they can inflate against my will, force my children to attend their indoctrination center (aka public school) against my will [edu-lu-tion.com], etc, etc, etc.
If a corporation does any of those things, then it is a government instead!Furthermore, I myself am a private corporation, of which I am in 100\% control.
A marriage is a corporation of which the partners share an agreed-upon degree of control.
Etc.Corporations are not just the big businesses that you're thinking of, it is any legal entity, and the main reason why corporations get so big and powerful nowadays are the liability protections and other unearned privileges that your beloved Mommy Government gives them!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31425772</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268234760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm all for the long-gone government cheese; it was surplus anyway, and hungry people need food. Better to give it to the poor than to pour it into a landfill. "There but for the grace of God go I". I have a decent job, but lots of folks aren't so fortunate. I don't mind some of my tax money going to feed the hungry, but I <b>do</b> object to it going to a senseless war like Vietnam or Iraq, or pork projects that serve no purpose other than to get Senators re-elected, or grants to IBM and Kodak that are bigger than these billion dollar net profit multinational corporations pay in taxes. The biggest welfare queens in the US are billionaire corporations.</p><p>IMO the current health care legislation is a clusterfuck that's nothing but a gift to the insurance companies, but I've had friends die because they couldn't afford health insurance. I have good insurance, but many don't. I'd like to see a system like they have in Europe and Canada; we have the most expensive health care in the world, but by no metric do we have the best health care. I'm ashamed of my country's health care system.</p><p>I'd like to see LOCAL governments provide wifi. Ours almost did, but apparently somebody from Comcast gave a big campaign contribution to some politicians. It wouldn't be secessary if people weren't so God Damned stingy; there are three hotspots at my house*, four when I'm at Felber's. It's rare in even a small city like mine to not have a hotspot and there's no reason you can't open your connection. You can throttle or shut down users who abuse it.</p><p>As to government monitoring and censorship, they don't have to supply the connection to monitor and censor it, and I see no difference between Uncle Sam censoring and Comcast censoring. Considering the legal bribery in the form of campaign contributions, there's no difference. Corporations ARE the government.</p><p>* one of the hotspots at my house has a computer name of "hack me and I'll find you", and it's damned hard not to rise to the (probably almost nonexistant) challenge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm all for the long-gone government cheese ; it was surplus anyway , and hungry people need food .
Better to give it to the poor than to pour it into a landfill .
" There but for the grace of God go I " .
I have a decent job , but lots of folks are n't so fortunate .
I do n't mind some of my tax money going to feed the hungry , but I do object to it going to a senseless war like Vietnam or Iraq , or pork projects that serve no purpose other than to get Senators re-elected , or grants to IBM and Kodak that are bigger than these billion dollar net profit multinational corporations pay in taxes .
The biggest welfare queens in the US are billionaire corporations.IMO the current health care legislation is a clusterfuck that 's nothing but a gift to the insurance companies , but I 've had friends die because they could n't afford health insurance .
I have good insurance , but many do n't .
I 'd like to see a system like they have in Europe and Canada ; we have the most expensive health care in the world , but by no metric do we have the best health care .
I 'm ashamed of my country 's health care system.I 'd like to see LOCAL governments provide wifi .
Ours almost did , but apparently somebody from Comcast gave a big campaign contribution to some politicians .
It would n't be secessary if people were n't so God Damned stingy ; there are three hotspots at my house * , four when I 'm at Felber 's .
It 's rare in even a small city like mine to not have a hotspot and there 's no reason you ca n't open your connection .
You can throttle or shut down users who abuse it.As to government monitoring and censorship , they do n't have to supply the connection to monitor and censor it , and I see no difference between Uncle Sam censoring and Comcast censoring .
Considering the legal bribery in the form of campaign contributions , there 's no difference .
Corporations ARE the government .
* one of the hotspots at my house has a computer name of " hack me and I 'll find you " , and it 's damned hard not to rise to the ( probably almost nonexistant ) challenge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm all for the long-gone government cheese; it was surplus anyway, and hungry people need food.
Better to give it to the poor than to pour it into a landfill.
"There but for the grace of God go I".
I have a decent job, but lots of folks aren't so fortunate.
I don't mind some of my tax money going to feed the hungry, but I do object to it going to a senseless war like Vietnam or Iraq, or pork projects that serve no purpose other than to get Senators re-elected, or grants to IBM and Kodak that are bigger than these billion dollar net profit multinational corporations pay in taxes.
The biggest welfare queens in the US are billionaire corporations.IMO the current health care legislation is a clusterfuck that's nothing but a gift to the insurance companies, but I've had friends die because they couldn't afford health insurance.
I have good insurance, but many don't.
I'd like to see a system like they have in Europe and Canada; we have the most expensive health care in the world, but by no metric do we have the best health care.
I'm ashamed of my country's health care system.I'd like to see LOCAL governments provide wifi.
Ours almost did, but apparently somebody from Comcast gave a big campaign contribution to some politicians.
It wouldn't be secessary if people weren't so God Damned stingy; there are three hotspots at my house*, four when I'm at Felber's.
It's rare in even a small city like mine to not have a hotspot and there's no reason you can't open your connection.
You can throttle or shut down users who abuse it.As to government monitoring and censorship, they don't have to supply the connection to monitor and censor it, and I see no difference between Uncle Sam censoring and Comcast censoring.
Considering the legal bribery in the form of campaign contributions, there's no difference.
Corporations ARE the government.
* one of the hotspots at my house has a computer name of "hack me and I'll find you", and it's damned hard not to rise to the (probably almost nonexistant) challenge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31434940</id>
	<title>this is how it should be.</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1268248200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While some of you are making fun of a government ran isp, you are missing the point.</p><p>The Government should be taking care of: The internet, the phone, the cable, the power, healthcare, etc...</p><p>The Government should be keeping the infostructure running.   We are in charge of our government.</p><p>Instead, we let the government run us, and they reinforce the notion by letting us think the gov makes shoddy products.</p><p>Do I have a socialist view?  maybe, but here's the kicker:</p><p>communist and socialism haven't worked because the peeps in the government don't want to give up power.   solution is simple.   Everyone works for the government for 1/2 of their work week.   No more lifetime senators or any positions.  You do your term, then you move on to something else in the gov.</p><p>If your going to go socialist, you go the whole way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While some of you are making fun of a government ran isp , you are missing the point.The Government should be taking care of : The internet , the phone , the cable , the power , healthcare , etc...The Government should be keeping the infostructure running .
We are in charge of our government.Instead , we let the government run us , and they reinforce the notion by letting us think the gov makes shoddy products.Do I have a socialist view ?
maybe , but here 's the kicker : communist and socialism have n't worked because the peeps in the government do n't want to give up power .
solution is simple .
Everyone works for the government for 1/2 of their work week .
No more lifetime senators or any positions .
You do your term , then you move on to something else in the gov.If your going to go socialist , you go the whole way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While some of you are making fun of a government ran isp, you are missing the point.The Government should be taking care of: The internet, the phone, the cable, the power, healthcare, etc...The Government should be keeping the infostructure running.
We are in charge of our government.Instead, we let the government run us, and they reinforce the notion by letting us think the gov makes shoddy products.Do I have a socialist view?
maybe, but here's the kicker:communist and socialism haven't worked because the peeps in the government don't want to give up power.
solution is simple.
Everyone works for the government for 1/2 of their work week.
No more lifetime senators or any positions.
You do your term, then you move on to something else in the gov.If your going to go socialist, you go the whole way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423254</id>
	<title>Re:It's been done before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268158620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>lol, what the fuck was cmdrtaco thinking? "Hmm, I'll shove this glass jar up my ass.  And make a video of it.  And put it up on the internet after it goes horribly wrong."</htmltext>
<tokenext>lol , what the fuck was cmdrtaco thinking ?
" Hmm , I 'll shove this glass jar up my ass .
And make a video of it .
And put it up on the internet after it goes horribly wrong .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol, what the fuck was cmdrtaco thinking?
"Hmm, I'll shove this glass jar up my ass.
And make a video of it.
And put it up on the internet after it goes horribly wrong.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423524</id>
	<title>Here's what I'd do if I was a government official</title>
	<author>CrazyJim1</author>
	<datestamp>1268163480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Allow people to complain that they don't have broadband online(they can use dialup or someone else's service).
Then the biggest clusters of people complaining get targetted first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Allow people to complain that they do n't have broadband online ( they can use dialup or someone else 's service ) .
Then the biggest clusters of people complaining get targetted first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Allow people to complain that they don't have broadband online(they can use dialup or someone else's service).
Then the biggest clusters of people complaining get targetted first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423324</id>
	<title>Another important question...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268159640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who will pay for it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who will pay for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who will pay for it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423248</id>
	<title>Community fiber</title>
	<author>slashqwerty</author>
	<datestamp>1268158560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have heard it would cost $1,500 per home to run fiber to every home in the nation.  That's $225 billion.  If you want better and more affordable communications install fiber co-ops throughout the nation that do nothing but the physical installation from the home to a neighborhood hub.  From the hub, any ISP that chooses can compete for your business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have heard it would cost $ 1,500 per home to run fiber to every home in the nation .
That 's $ 225 billion .
If you want better and more affordable communications install fiber co-ops throughout the nation that do nothing but the physical installation from the home to a neighborhood hub .
From the hub , any ISP that chooses can compete for your business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have heard it would cost $1,500 per home to run fiber to every home in the nation.
That's $225 billion.
If you want better and more affordable communications install fiber co-ops throughout the nation that do nothing but the physical installation from the home to a neighborhood hub.
From the hub, any ISP that chooses can compete for your business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31441408</id>
	<title>Parent == no clue</title>
	<author>bobs666</author>
	<datestamp>1268336340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The parent ether has no clue, or works for<br>IPS or a cell phone carrier.  Reading on<br>other posters also simple don't understand how the Internet works, and that a grid of<br>roof top routers can and will ( when its legal ) replace low bandwidth comumications<br>like cell phone carriers.   Well perhaps not<br>as a foot ball game.  Of in a harbor tunnel.<br>But most any place you can see a roof top<br>you should get coverage.  We are talking ranges of 5 to 10 miles.</p><p>NOw that that is said when will the FCC<br>put out the standards of fair play so the hardware can be built for my "Roof Top Router"<br>So I to can get free local cell phone calling and connect to 100s of viable local ISP's for the long hall.<br>Sure at first I will only  have 5 or 10 miles<br>range, but as others figure it our the grid will grow and fill in.</p><p>As for monitoring why would any one care, if I call my Mom or a friend and ask if I can stop over.  Or that I had a flat tire...</p><p>Oh and if it was true that I was planing a crime, please monitor me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The parent ether has no clue , or works forIPS or a cell phone carrier .
Reading onother posters also simple do n't understand how the Internet works , and that a grid ofroof top routers can and will ( when its legal ) replace low bandwidth comumicationslike cell phone carriers .
Well perhaps notas a foot ball game .
Of in a harbor tunnel.But most any place you can see a roof topyou should get coverage .
We are talking ranges of 5 to 10 miles.NOw that that is said when will the FCCput out the standards of fair play so the hardware can be built for my " Roof Top Router " So I to can get free local cell phone calling and connect to 100s of viable local ISP 's for the long hall.Sure at first I will only have 5 or 10 milesrange , but as others figure it our the grid will grow and fill in.As for monitoring why would any one care , if I call my Mom or a friend and ask if I can stop over .
Or that I had a flat tire...Oh and if it was true that I was planing a crime , please monitor me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The parent ether has no clue, or works forIPS or a cell phone carrier.
Reading onother posters also simple don't understand how the Internet works, and that a grid ofroof top routers can and will ( when its legal ) replace low bandwidth comumicationslike cell phone carriers.
Well perhaps notas a foot ball game.
Of in a harbor tunnel.But most any place you can see a roof topyou should get coverage.
We are talking ranges of 5 to 10 miles.NOw that that is said when will the FCCput out the standards of fair play so the hardware can be built for my "Roof Top Router"So I to can get free local cell phone calling and connect to 100s of viable local ISP's for the long hall.Sure at first I will only  have 5 or 10 milesrange, but as others figure it our the grid will grow and fill in.As for monitoring why would any one care, if I call my Mom or a friend and ask if I can stop over.
Or that I had a flat tire...Oh and if it was true that I was planing a crime, please monitor me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</id>
	<title>heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First comes government cheese.  Then comes government health care.  Now comes government internet connections.  Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- *NO CARRIER*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First comes government cheese .
Then comes government health care .
Now comes government internet connections .
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- * NO CARRIER *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First comes government cheese.
Then comes government health care.
Now comes government internet connections.
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- *NO CARRIER*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423196</id>
	<title>Better than nothing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268157960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in a pretty low income neighborhood and there are many people who do not have internet because of the relatively high costs usually associated with it. Censored internet might be better that nothing in this case, specially since it seems to me that it really helps keep children out of trouble and encourages them to learn about technology and then study other things. Also, such competition might encourage traditional carriers to lower pirces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in a pretty low income neighborhood and there are many people who do not have internet because of the relatively high costs usually associated with it .
Censored internet might be better that nothing in this case , specially since it seems to me that it really helps keep children out of trouble and encourages them to learn about technology and then study other things .
Also , such competition might encourage traditional carriers to lower pirces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in a pretty low income neighborhood and there are many people who do not have internet because of the relatively high costs usually associated with it.
Censored internet might be better that nothing in this case, specially since it seems to me that it really helps keep children out of trouble and encourages them to learn about technology and then study other things.
Also, such competition might encourage traditional carriers to lower pirces.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31428910</id>
	<title>Re:Her actual comments are less tech-oriented</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268249280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the Social Science Research Council (whoever they are) <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/survey-no-need-to-convince-poor-that-they-need-broadband.ars" title="arstechnica.com" rel="nofollow">found</a> [arstechnica.com] that non-users DO see the benefit. It's a matter of cost and availability (even in some major cities in the US, access sucks).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the Social Science Research Council ( whoever they are ) found [ arstechnica.com ] that non-users DO see the benefit .
It 's a matter of cost and availability ( even in some major cities in the US , access sucks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the Social Science Research Council (whoever they are) found [arstechnica.com] that non-users DO see the benefit.
It's a matter of cost and availability (even in some major cities in the US, access sucks).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423116</id>
	<title>This isn't new</title>
	<author>mrsteveman1</author>
	<datestamp>1268157120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't remember the name of the company but suffice it to say, there is a company who has been riding the back of the FCC for years, trying to get them to approve some kind of free wireless broadband plan just like is being described here.</p><p>The old plan was to have the government collect some revenue from the company in exchange for offering exclusive use of the spectrum. The company was planning to filter the connection, specifically to block porn, because they had some significant ties to the moral morons in the "family" groups.</p><p>I don't recall how they were planning to pay for the whole thing, but i seem to remember they had for-pay plans that might have subsidized the free (censored) plans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't remember the name of the company but suffice it to say , there is a company who has been riding the back of the FCC for years , trying to get them to approve some kind of free wireless broadband plan just like is being described here.The old plan was to have the government collect some revenue from the company in exchange for offering exclusive use of the spectrum .
The company was planning to filter the connection , specifically to block porn , because they had some significant ties to the moral morons in the " family " groups.I do n't recall how they were planning to pay for the whole thing , but i seem to remember they had for-pay plans that might have subsidized the free ( censored ) plans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't remember the name of the company but suffice it to say, there is a company who has been riding the back of the FCC for years, trying to get them to approve some kind of free wireless broadband plan just like is being described here.The old plan was to have the government collect some revenue from the company in exchange for offering exclusive use of the spectrum.
The company was planning to filter the connection, specifically to block porn, because they had some significant ties to the moral morons in the "family" groups.I don't recall how they were planning to pay for the whole thing, but i seem to remember they had for-pay plans that might have subsidized the free (censored) plans.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423444</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268162100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just FYI, the gvernment has every possibility of monitoring and censorship on commercial connections too, they can just use the very suspect antiterror laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just FYI , the gvernment has every possibility of monitoring and censorship on commercial connections too , they can just use the very suspect antiterror laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just FYI, the gvernment has every possibility of monitoring and censorship on commercial connections too, they can just use the very suspect antiterror laws.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31441476</id>
	<title>4) considers the current providers immoral....</title>
	<author>bobs666</author>
	<datestamp>1268336640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>4) considers the current providers immoral....<br>and refuses to pay for that which the FCC has denied us all this time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>4 ) considers the current providers immoral....and refuses to pay for that which the FCC has denied us all this time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4) considers the current providers immoral....and refuses to pay for that which the FCC has denied us all this time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423410</id>
	<title>Spare us the editorializing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268161380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get the fuck off of your high horse for a minute, why don't you? Public libraries provide this service, and while yes, they're filtered, they're not censored or monitored.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get the fuck off of your high horse for a minute , why do n't you ?
Public libraries provide this service , and while yes , they 're filtered , they 're not censored or monitored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get the fuck off of your high horse for a minute, why don't you?
Public libraries provide this service, and while yes, they're filtered, they're not censored or monitored.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423210</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>the\_denman</author>
	<datestamp>1268158140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and yet another step closer to the Romans and having our <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread\_and\_circuses" title="wikipedia.org">Bread and Circuses</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>and yet another step closer to the Romans and having our Bread and Circuses [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and yet another step closer to the Romans and having our Bread and Circuses [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423546</id>
	<title>Re:heh</title>
	<author>Spewns</author>
	<datestamp>1268164200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First comes government cheese.  Then comes government health care.  Now comes government internet connections.  Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- *NO CARRIER*</p></div><p>Because government cheese and internet connections are the same as government monitoring and censorship. You're a genius.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First comes government cheese .
Then comes government health care .
Now comes government internet connections .
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- * NO CARRIER * Because government cheese and internet connections are the same as government monitoring and censorship .
You 're a genius .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First comes government cheese.
Then comes government health care.
Now comes government internet connections.
Next comes government monitoring and censorship of said inter- *NO CARRIER*Because government cheese and internet connections are the same as government monitoring and censorship.
You're a genius.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423014</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423224</id>
	<title>Re: Government Cheese</title>
	<author>Xaduurv</author>
	<datestamp>1268158320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The cheese is a lie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cheese is a lie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cheese is a lie.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0042237.31423102</id>
	<title>Yep, that's about the size of it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give the corporations something free, so they can sell it to the poor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give the corporations something free , so they can sell it to the poor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give the corporations something free, so they can sell it to the poor.</sentencetext>
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