<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_10_0032238</id>
	<title>Linux Takes Over E-Voting In Australian State</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268216340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>daria42 writes <i>"The Electoral Commission in the Australian state of Victoria has made <a href="http://delimiter.com.au/2010/03/08/victoria-expands-linux-e-voting-rollout/">plans to expand its use of electronic voting kiosks based on Linux</a> in the next state election in November of this year. But it appears to be a little confused: the documentation states it will be using the '2.6 kernel/Gentoo release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.' Huh?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>daria42 writes " The Electoral Commission in the Australian state of Victoria has made plans to expand its use of electronic voting kiosks based on Linux in the next state election in November of this year .
But it appears to be a little confused : the documentation states it will be using the '2.6 kernel/Gentoo release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux .
' Huh ?
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<sentencetext>daria42 writes "The Electoral Commission in the Australian state of Victoria has made plans to expand its use of electronic voting kiosks based on Linux in the next state election in November of this year.
But it appears to be a little confused: the documentation states it will be using the '2.6 kernel/Gentoo release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
' Huh?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424922</id>
	<title>The core problem is unchanged by this</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1268228640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>S/he who controls the database, controls the outcome.  E-voting should not be allowed for anything more important than vacuous tv talent shows - and even those outcomes are corrupt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>S/he who controls the database , controls the outcome .
E-voting should not be allowed for anything more important than vacuous tv talent shows - and even those outcomes are corrupt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>S/he who controls the database, controls the outcome.
E-voting should not be allowed for anything more important than vacuous tv talent shows - and even those outcomes are corrupt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424474</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>skirmish666</author>
	<datestamp>1268220960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article:<p><div class="quote"><p>The state first started using the machines in a limited trial during the last state election in 2006. It appears as if the machines were used for voting for the vision-impaired, as well as for military personnel.</p></div><p>Yeah, I'm in Victoria too and I've never seen an electronic voting machine. Maybe next election...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : The state first started using the machines in a limited trial during the last state election in 2006 .
It appears as if the machines were used for voting for the vision-impaired , as well as for military personnel.Yeah , I 'm in Victoria too and I 've never seen an electronic voting machine .
Maybe next election.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:The state first started using the machines in a limited trial during the last state election in 2006.
It appears as if the machines were used for voting for the vision-impaired, as well as for military personnel.Yeah, I'm in Victoria too and I've never seen an electronic voting machine.
Maybe next election...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424868</id>
	<title>computer-based voting systems are not trustworthy.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268227860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. as presently constituted, computer-based voting systems are NOT trustworthy on numerous levels<br>2. PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED, LOCALLY REPORTED is the *BEST*, most trustworthy, transparent, and auditable method of voting we have<br>3. INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING is the other part of reforming our voting process which will provide for TRUE CHOICES aside from the two-headed Korporate Money Party<br>art guerrilla<br>aka ann archy<br>eof</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1. as presently constituted , computer-based voting systems are NOT trustworthy on numerous levels2 .
PAPER BALLOTS , HAND COUNTED , LOCALLY REPORTED is the * BEST * , most trustworthy , transparent , and auditable method of voting we have3 .
INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING is the other part of reforming our voting process which will provide for TRUE CHOICES aside from the two-headed Korporate Money Partyart guerrillaaka ann archyeof</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. as presently constituted, computer-based voting systems are NOT trustworthy on numerous levels2.
PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED, LOCALLY REPORTED is the *BEST*, most trustworthy, transparent, and auditable method of voting we have3.
INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING is the other part of reforming our voting process which will provide for TRUE CHOICES aside from the two-headed Korporate Money Partyart guerrillaaka ann archyeof</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424450</id>
	<title>Open, or not ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268220660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the rest of the software, i.e. the actual voting system, is not open source, the move is for the worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the rest of the software , i.e .
the actual voting system , is not open source , the move is for the worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the rest of the software, i.e.
the actual voting system, is not open source, the move is for the worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424634</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>Gadget\_Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1268223960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You write a number in the box. I write it backwards. Gun nuts get the highest number, the greens get the lowest (which is 1)</p></div><p>Oh, I get it. I was wondering why you wanted people to have to hold your ballot up to a mirror to find out what you wrote.</p><p>The counting down technique is exactly how I do it too. I call it the "who do I hate the most" principle. And never vote above the line for the senate, always fill in every single box. It is the same principle as wanting to see the source code. If the parties don't publicise how your vote will count if you give them a tick above the line then they don't deserve the vote.</p><p>Finally, I don't know why they didn't use the existing, reliable system that we already have. It is called Myki. They already have booths all over Victoria and they have an unenviable track record. The only problem is that you have to remember to vote twice, otherwise they charge you the full national debt.</p><p>OK, non-Australians can come back again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You write a number in the box .
I write it backwards .
Gun nuts get the highest number , the greens get the lowest ( which is 1 ) Oh , I get it .
I was wondering why you wanted people to have to hold your ballot up to a mirror to find out what you wrote.The counting down technique is exactly how I do it too .
I call it the " who do I hate the most " principle .
And never vote above the line for the senate , always fill in every single box .
It is the same principle as wanting to see the source code .
If the parties do n't publicise how your vote will count if you give them a tick above the line then they do n't deserve the vote.Finally , I do n't know why they did n't use the existing , reliable system that we already have .
It is called Myki .
They already have booths all over Victoria and they have an unenviable track record .
The only problem is that you have to remember to vote twice , otherwise they charge you the full national debt.OK , non-Australians can come back again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You write a number in the box.
I write it backwards.
Gun nuts get the highest number, the greens get the lowest (which is 1)Oh, I get it.
I was wondering why you wanted people to have to hold your ballot up to a mirror to find out what you wrote.The counting down technique is exactly how I do it too.
I call it the "who do I hate the most" principle.
And never vote above the line for the senate, always fill in every single box.
It is the same principle as wanting to see the source code.
If the parties don't publicise how your vote will count if you give them a tick above the line then they don't deserve the vote.Finally, I don't know why they didn't use the existing, reliable system that we already have.
It is called Myki.
They already have booths all over Victoria and they have an unenviable track record.
The only problem is that you have to remember to vote twice, otherwise they charge you the full national debt.OK, non-Australians can come back again.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31427858</id>
	<title>Re:Pah</title>
	<author>Qzukk</author>
	<datestamp>1268244120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>nothing compared to my Damn Small Yellow Dog DebuntuSE with FutureKernel 6.4</i></p><p>Bah, showoffs.  I prefer to get real work done with my computer, so I stick to GNU/Hurd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nothing compared to my Damn Small Yellow Dog DebuntuSE with FutureKernel 6.4Bah , showoffs .
I prefer to get real work done with my computer , so I stick to GNU/Hurd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nothing compared to my Damn Small Yellow Dog DebuntuSE with FutureKernel 6.4Bah, showoffs.
I prefer to get real work done with my computer, so I stick to GNU/Hurd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424414</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424746</id>
	<title>does it matter ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268226000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to be honest.   In the end I don't care one bit about what operating system the voting machine is on.  Not at all.  What I do care about is that it works and works well.   Prove that to me and I would be fine with it running on OS/2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to be honest .
In the end I do n't care one bit about what operating system the voting machine is on .
Not at all .
What I do care about is that it works and works well .
Prove that to me and I would be fine with it running on OS/2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to be honest.
In the end I don't care one bit about what operating system the voting machine is on.
Not at all.
What I do care about is that it works and works well.
Prove that to me and I would be fine with it running on OS/2</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424808</id>
	<title>Re:Mwahahaha!</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1268227020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was more concerned that CowboyNeal would win in a landslide, due to it being the none-of-the-above option. Of course, this whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was more concerned that CowboyNeal would win in a landslide , due to it being the none-of-the-above option .
Of course , this whole thing is wildly inaccurate .
Rounding errors , ballot stuffers , dynamic IPs , firewalls .
If you 're using these numbers to do anything important , you 're insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was more concerned that CowboyNeal would win in a landslide, due to it being the none-of-the-above option.
Of course, this whole thing is wildly inaccurate.
Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls.
If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424414</id>
	<title>Pah</title>
	<author>somersault</author>
	<datestamp>1268220480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2.6/Gentoo RHEL is nothing compared to my Damn Small Yellow Dog DebuntuSE with FutureKernel 6.4</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2.6/Gentoo RHEL is nothing compared to my Damn Small Yellow Dog DebuntuSE with FutureKernel 6.4</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.6/Gentoo RHEL is nothing compared to my Damn Small Yellow Dog DebuntuSE with FutureKernel 6.4</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424558</id>
	<title>Correction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268222460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The news was taken from tender documents published via tenders.gov.au from the Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC).  The tender stated the Gentoo release of RHEL.  The tender is for kiosk hardware for use with existing software and the hadware drivers must provide Linux support.  The tender documents will be updated online to correct the error.</p><p>Each Australian state or territory has its own Commission or independent elections organisation.  The VEC has previously run the same E-voting software on a small number of desktop PCs in 2006, running Gentoo Linux.  They were made available at six locations in Victoria, only for the blind and vision impaired.  This time the project will deploy more machines in tamper-evident kiosk enclosures with a receipt printer.  The printer and the touch screen drivers need to support Linux.</p><p>The Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) which is the federal body did run a vision impaired trial of its own in 2007, but it was not related to the Victorian pilot of the year before.</p><p>The VEC will provide a full media release for this project closer to the November State election after the Victorian Parliament has decided what groups of voters should have access to the systems.  At most, any voter who would otherwise require assistance may get to use the systems.  As I said, at the moment, it's just vision impaired voters until the law changes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The news was taken from tender documents published via tenders.gov.au from the Victorian Electoral Commission ( VEC ) .
The tender stated the Gentoo release of RHEL .
The tender is for kiosk hardware for use with existing software and the hadware drivers must provide Linux support .
The tender documents will be updated online to correct the error.Each Australian state or territory has its own Commission or independent elections organisation .
The VEC has previously run the same E-voting software on a small number of desktop PCs in 2006 , running Gentoo Linux .
They were made available at six locations in Victoria , only for the blind and vision impaired .
This time the project will deploy more machines in tamper-evident kiosk enclosures with a receipt printer .
The printer and the touch screen drivers need to support Linux.The Australian Electoral Commission ( AEC ) which is the federal body did run a vision impaired trial of its own in 2007 , but it was not related to the Victorian pilot of the year before.The VEC will provide a full media release for this project closer to the November State election after the Victorian Parliament has decided what groups of voters should have access to the systems .
At most , any voter who would otherwise require assistance may get to use the systems .
As I said , at the moment , it 's just vision impaired voters until the law changes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The news was taken from tender documents published via tenders.gov.au from the Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC).
The tender stated the Gentoo release of RHEL.
The tender is for kiosk hardware for use with existing software and the hadware drivers must provide Linux support.
The tender documents will be updated online to correct the error.Each Australian state or territory has its own Commission or independent elections organisation.
The VEC has previously run the same E-voting software on a small number of desktop PCs in 2006, running Gentoo Linux.
They were made available at six locations in Victoria, only for the blind and vision impaired.
This time the project will deploy more machines in tamper-evident kiosk enclosures with a receipt printer.
The printer and the touch screen drivers need to support Linux.The Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) which is the federal body did run a vision impaired trial of its own in 2007, but it was not related to the Victorian pilot of the year before.The VEC will provide a full media release for this project closer to the November State election after the Victorian Parliament has decided what groups of voters should have access to the systems.
At most, any voter who would otherwise require assistance may get to use the systems.
As I said, at the moment, it's just vision impaired voters until the law changes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424580</id>
	<title>Penguinitis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268222820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the documentation states it will be using the '2.6 kernel/Gentoo release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.</p></div><p>How tragic - another case of Mad Penguin Disease.</p><p>Will nobody think of the children?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the documentation states it will be using the '2.6 kernel/Gentoo release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.How tragic - another case of Mad Penguin Disease.Will nobody think of the children ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the documentation states it will be using the '2.6 kernel/Gentoo release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.How tragic - another case of Mad Penguin Disease.Will nobody think of the children?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31425026</id>
	<title>Re:What about the rest of it?</title>
	<author>jgreco</author>
	<datestamp>1268230080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, I already *read* the article and I was commenting on what was *missing* from the article.</p><p>Perhaps *you* should have read the article before making yourself look foolish.  Had you actually read the article, then my comment, then you would have known that I, too, was essentially saying that the Linux thing is only one small part of the bigger picture.</p><p>Oops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , I already * read * the article and I was commenting on what was * missing * from the article.Perhaps * you * should have read the article before making yourself look foolish .
Had you actually read the article , then my comment , then you would have known that I , too , was essentially saying that the Linux thing is only one small part of the bigger picture.Oops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, I already *read* the article and I was commenting on what was *missing* from the article.Perhaps *you* should have read the article before making yourself look foolish.
Had you actually read the article, then my comment, then you would have known that I, too, was essentially saying that the Linux thing is only one small part of the bigger picture.Oops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424938</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>deniable</author>
	<datestamp>1268228760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The AEC and the state ECs compete to run the local council elections. Local councils run elections not for democracy (for which most don't care about), but instead as a method of making quite a lot money, as most folks don't bother to vote and thus get a fine.</p></div><p>
The AEC doesn't do local elections. Local government elections aren't compulsory. Anything else you need corrected?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The AEC and the state ECs compete to run the local council elections .
Local councils run elections not for democracy ( for which most do n't care about ) , but instead as a method of making quite a lot money , as most folks do n't bother to vote and thus get a fine .
The AEC does n't do local elections .
Local government elections are n't compulsory .
Anything else you need corrected ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The AEC and the state ECs compete to run the local council elections.
Local councils run elections not for democracy (for which most don't care about), but instead as a method of making quite a lot money, as most folks don't bother to vote and thus get a fine.
The AEC doesn't do local elections.
Local government elections aren't compulsory.
Anything else you need corrected?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31426294</id>
	<title>Why Linux? Or any other COTS operating system?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268237280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, they chose Linux. How does help?</p><p>I mean, the point of voting is not to run some fancy software; instead the point is to unequivocally arrive to a conclusion about the opinion of a population.</p><p>Why would anyone in their sense select a Linux, or any other commercial off the shelf operating system, for a voting system has always baffled me. I find it very difficult to trust any arguments for system's dependability, if the starting point is a selection of a specific technology. After all, the system shall fulfill its requirements, not more, no less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , they chose Linux .
How does help ? I mean , the point of voting is not to run some fancy software ; instead the point is to unequivocally arrive to a conclusion about the opinion of a population.Why would anyone in their sense select a Linux , or any other commercial off the shelf operating system , for a voting system has always baffled me .
I find it very difficult to trust any arguments for system 's dependability , if the starting point is a selection of a specific technology .
After all , the system shall fulfill its requirements , not more , no less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, they chose Linux.
How does help?I mean, the point of voting is not to run some fancy software; instead the point is to unequivocally arrive to a conclusion about the opinion of a population.Why would anyone in their sense select a Linux, or any other commercial off the shelf operating system, for a voting system has always baffled me.
I find it very difficult to trust any arguments for system's dependability, if the starting point is a selection of a specific technology.
After all, the system shall fulfill its requirements, not more, no less.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424608</id>
	<title>Trains and Voting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268223600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We can't even run a train system properly and you expect the Govt of VIC to handle electronic Voting correctly?<br>Still I've had a Kennett of a day and anything's got to be better then that...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We ca n't even run a train system properly and you expect the Govt of VIC to handle electronic Voting correctly ? Still I 've had a Kennett of a day and anything 's got to be better then that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can't even run a train system properly and you expect the Govt of VIC to handle electronic Voting correctly?Still I've had a Kennett of a day and anything's got to be better then that...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424730</id>
	<title>Hey kdawson:</title>
	<author>bmo</author>
	<datestamp>1268225640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am shitposting here because this is a shitpost thread, started with a shitpost summary of a non-story.</p><p>You are a plague upon Slashdot.</p><p>You're a cunt.</p><p>Eat a bowl of dicks.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am shitposting here because this is a shitpost thread , started with a shitpost summary of a non-story.You are a plague upon Slashdot.You 're a cunt.Eat a bowl of dicks.Sincerely,--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am shitposting here because this is a shitpost thread, started with a shitpost summary of a non-story.You are a plague upon Slashdot.You're a cunt.Eat a bowl of dicks.Sincerely,--BMO</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31430464</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>spazdor</author>
	<datestamp>1268213220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not "100\% fraud proof", as it's vulnerable to simple sleight-of-hand. All you need is a dozen more ball-bearings up your sleeve. Furthermore, he doesn't mention any way to ensure that the election officials are themselves trustworthy. If votes from lots of different polling locations need to be aggregated at one central location, there's no mention of any chain of custody procedures for the ballot box, nor any way to ensure that the contents of the box, while untampered with, haven't simply been misreported, nor that the signs identifying which box is which haven't been swapped around while they were still concealed in the booth.</p><p>I get the impression he has no real experience with data security, he just thinks he has a good idea and nothing will persuade him that he doesn't. The update at the top of the article sorta confirms this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not " 100 \ % fraud proof " , as it 's vulnerable to simple sleight-of-hand .
All you need is a dozen more ball-bearings up your sleeve .
Furthermore , he does n't mention any way to ensure that the election officials are themselves trustworthy .
If votes from lots of different polling locations need to be aggregated at one central location , there 's no mention of any chain of custody procedures for the ballot box , nor any way to ensure that the contents of the box , while untampered with , have n't simply been misreported , nor that the signs identifying which box is which have n't been swapped around while they were still concealed in the booth.I get the impression he has no real experience with data security , he just thinks he has a good idea and nothing will persuade him that he does n't .
The update at the top of the article sorta confirms this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not "100\% fraud proof", as it's vulnerable to simple sleight-of-hand.
All you need is a dozen more ball-bearings up your sleeve.
Furthermore, he doesn't mention any way to ensure that the election officials are themselves trustworthy.
If votes from lots of different polling locations need to be aggregated at one central location, there's no mention of any chain of custody procedures for the ballot box, nor any way to ensure that the contents of the box, while untampered with, haven't simply been misreported, nor that the signs identifying which box is which haven't been swapped around while they were still concealed in the booth.I get the impression he has no real experience with data security, he just thinks he has a good idea and nothing will persuade him that he doesn't.
The update at the top of the article sorta confirms this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31425010</id>
	<title>Re:Still wrong</title>
	<author>geschild</author>
	<datestamp>1268229840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>"if YOU can't understand how the vote is secured, refuse the voting system !"</i></p> </div><p>Now that's an acurate description of how best to look at it.</p><p>Thing is, there's nothing inherently wrong with electronically supported <i>counting</i> of votes, as long as the votes themselves are each seperately available in physical form.</p><p>Here in the Netherlands we've recently switched back wholesale to voting with a red pencil instead of voting computers precisely because it's the only way to have those votes available for a true recount. Funny thing is, right after the most recent election officials started complaining counting was 'difficult, timeconsuming and old-fashioned'. Just a few days after said election, several districts have resorted to recounts that demonstrate why having the votes on paper instead of in a computer <i>is</i> a good idea.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" if YOU ca n't understand how the vote is secured , refuse the voting system !
" Now that 's an acurate description of how best to look at it.Thing is , there 's nothing inherently wrong with electronically supported counting of votes , as long as the votes themselves are each seperately available in physical form.Here in the Netherlands we 've recently switched back wholesale to voting with a red pencil instead of voting computers precisely because it 's the only way to have those votes available for a true recount .
Funny thing is , right after the most recent election officials started complaining counting was 'difficult , timeconsuming and old-fashioned' .
Just a few days after said election , several districts have resorted to recounts that demonstrate why having the votes on paper instead of in a computer is a good idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "if YOU can't understand how the vote is secured, refuse the voting system !
" Now that's an acurate description of how best to look at it.Thing is, there's nothing inherently wrong with electronically supported counting of votes, as long as the votes themselves are each seperately available in physical form.Here in the Netherlands we've recently switched back wholesale to voting with a red pencil instead of voting computers precisely because it's the only way to have those votes available for a true recount.
Funny thing is, right after the most recent election officials started complaining counting was 'difficult, timeconsuming and old-fashioned'.
Just a few days after said election, several districts have resorted to recounts that demonstrate why having the votes on paper instead of in a computer is a good idea.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31425444</id>
	<title>Re:Still wrong</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1268232960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is NOT a diebold type system which the AEC has repeatedly stated will not be introduced into Australia. It's the same system they used for blind people at the last election. The machine simply prints the ballot, if you're NOT blind you can check it, if you are blind you're truted companion can do that. The printed ballot still goes into a ballot box. The supposed purpose is to eliminate unreadable ballots and donkey votes, personally I think it's a waste of money but it's not a threat to democracy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is NOT a diebold type system which the AEC has repeatedly stated will not be introduced into Australia .
It 's the same system they used for blind people at the last election .
The machine simply prints the ballot , if you 're NOT blind you can check it , if you are blind you 're truted companion can do that .
The printed ballot still goes into a ballot box .
The supposed purpose is to eliminate unreadable ballots and donkey votes , personally I think it 's a waste of money but it 's not a threat to democracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is NOT a diebold type system which the AEC has repeatedly stated will not be introduced into Australia.
It's the same system they used for blind people at the last election.
The machine simply prints the ballot, if you're NOT blind you can check it, if you are blind you're truted companion can do that.
The printed ballot still goes into a ballot box.
The supposed purpose is to eliminate unreadable ballots and donkey votes, personally I think it's a waste of money but it's not a threat to democracy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424630</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>ajv</author>
	<datestamp>1268223900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every state has its own Electoral Commission. ECs are a retirement grounds for out to pasture politicians who want / still need a salary - but not much work - and very hard working and independent minded public servants. I was fascinated by the process that creates new electoral boundaries and trust it a lot more now.</p><p>The AEC and the state ECs compete to run the local council elections. Local councils run elections not for democracy (for which most don't care about), but instead as a method of making quite a lot money, as most folks don't bother to vote and thus get a fine. There is precisely one correct answer to getting out of the fine, but don't use it too often as you won't be believed on your second or third attempt.</p><p>The computers are in the back room. Trust me, there's lots of machinery counting your votes. They count about 90-95\% of the votes electronically by OCR as a first pass. Some of these batches are also counted manually to make sure that the machines are working properly, but the majority of votes are electronically read. If you scrawl or otherwise waste your vote, it'll be scrunintized by hand and entered manually by temp staff working for a DRO. This is about 2\% of all votes.</p><p>Don't write offensive crap on your ballot as the community-minded volunteers counting the votes don't work for the parties (in fact, they're not even allowed to be party members) and they are doing it for not much money or no money at all. They've seen it all before.</p><p>If a ward / seat vote is close enough to warrant a recount, party goons will watch temp staff re-count the votes by hand. If there's a discrepancy from the machine count, it might be counted again, but this is really rare. Most electorates and wards vote strongly for one party, so they rarely get counted by hand on the night.</p><p>If you vote below the line in senate elections (and it sounds like you do), good - you've wasted your vote. Such votes are not germaine to figuring out who the last seat goes to in a Federal election, and thus your vote is simply wasted. If you really want to make your vote count, vote above the line in a party grouping. But be aware that most of the single issue parties, like the Gun Nut party are fronts for (and paid for) by the majors. Your vote will end up in their hands based upon the two party preferred system.</p><p>The good news is that our voting system is voter verifiable, has a strong paper trail, and difficult to tamper with. That's why I like it - it's a mix of old and new.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every state has its own Electoral Commission .
ECs are a retirement grounds for out to pasture politicians who want / still need a salary - but not much work - and very hard working and independent minded public servants .
I was fascinated by the process that creates new electoral boundaries and trust it a lot more now.The AEC and the state ECs compete to run the local council elections .
Local councils run elections not for democracy ( for which most do n't care about ) , but instead as a method of making quite a lot money , as most folks do n't bother to vote and thus get a fine .
There is precisely one correct answer to getting out of the fine , but do n't use it too often as you wo n't be believed on your second or third attempt.The computers are in the back room .
Trust me , there 's lots of machinery counting your votes .
They count about 90-95 \ % of the votes electronically by OCR as a first pass .
Some of these batches are also counted manually to make sure that the machines are working properly , but the majority of votes are electronically read .
If you scrawl or otherwise waste your vote , it 'll be scrunintized by hand and entered manually by temp staff working for a DRO .
This is about 2 \ % of all votes.Do n't write offensive crap on your ballot as the community-minded volunteers counting the votes do n't work for the parties ( in fact , they 're not even allowed to be party members ) and they are doing it for not much money or no money at all .
They 've seen it all before.If a ward / seat vote is close enough to warrant a recount , party goons will watch temp staff re-count the votes by hand .
If there 's a discrepancy from the machine count , it might be counted again , but this is really rare .
Most electorates and wards vote strongly for one party , so they rarely get counted by hand on the night.If you vote below the line in senate elections ( and it sounds like you do ) , good - you 've wasted your vote .
Such votes are not germaine to figuring out who the last seat goes to in a Federal election , and thus your vote is simply wasted .
If you really want to make your vote count , vote above the line in a party grouping .
But be aware that most of the single issue parties , like the Gun Nut party are fronts for ( and paid for ) by the majors .
Your vote will end up in their hands based upon the two party preferred system.The good news is that our voting system is voter verifiable , has a strong paper trail , and difficult to tamper with .
That 's why I like it - it 's a mix of old and new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every state has its own Electoral Commission.
ECs are a retirement grounds for out to pasture politicians who want / still need a salary - but not much work - and very hard working and independent minded public servants.
I was fascinated by the process that creates new electoral boundaries and trust it a lot more now.The AEC and the state ECs compete to run the local council elections.
Local councils run elections not for democracy (for which most don't care about), but instead as a method of making quite a lot money, as most folks don't bother to vote and thus get a fine.
There is precisely one correct answer to getting out of the fine, but don't use it too often as you won't be believed on your second or third attempt.The computers are in the back room.
Trust me, there's lots of machinery counting your votes.
They count about 90-95\% of the votes electronically by OCR as a first pass.
Some of these batches are also counted manually to make sure that the machines are working properly, but the majority of votes are electronically read.
If you scrawl or otherwise waste your vote, it'll be scrunintized by hand and entered manually by temp staff working for a DRO.
This is about 2\% of all votes.Don't write offensive crap on your ballot as the community-minded volunteers counting the votes don't work for the parties (in fact, they're not even allowed to be party members) and they are doing it for not much money or no money at all.
They've seen it all before.If a ward / seat vote is close enough to warrant a recount, party goons will watch temp staff re-count the votes by hand.
If there's a discrepancy from the machine count, it might be counted again, but this is really rare.
Most electorates and wards vote strongly for one party, so they rarely get counted by hand on the night.If you vote below the line in senate elections (and it sounds like you do), good - you've wasted your vote.
Such votes are not germaine to figuring out who the last seat goes to in a Federal election, and thus your vote is simply wasted.
If you really want to make your vote count, vote above the line in a party grouping.
But be aware that most of the single issue parties, like the Gun Nut party are fronts for (and paid for) by the majors.
Your vote will end up in their hands based upon the two party preferred system.The good news is that our voting system is voter verifiable, has a strong paper trail, and difficult to tamper with.
That's why I like it - it's a mix of old and new.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424466</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>deniable</author>
	<datestamp>1268220900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, you should know about the <a href="http://vec.vic.gov.au/" title="vic.gov.au">VEC.</a> [vic.gov.au] The <a href="http://waec.wa.gov.au/" title="wa.gov.au">WAEC</a> [wa.gov.au] site appears to be down right now. I'm sure other states have similar agencies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you should know about the VEC .
[ vic.gov.au ] The WAEC [ wa.gov.au ] site appears to be down right now .
I 'm sure other states have similar agencies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you should know about the VEC.
[vic.gov.au] The WAEC [wa.gov.au] site appears to be down right now.
I'm sure other states have similar agencies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31430906</id>
	<title>The Fact that it is confusing ...</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1268215440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No surprise here. *NIX is deliberately confusing. Understanding the nuances of it are what seperates "us" from the hoi polloi.</p><p>At least they weren't confused enough NOT to choose some version of FOSS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No surprise here .
* NIX is deliberately confusing .
Understanding the nuances of it are what seperates " us " from the hoi polloi.At least they were n't confused enough NOT to choose some version of FOSS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No surprise here.
*NIX is deliberately confusing.
Understanding the nuances of it are what seperates "us" from the hoi polloi.At least they weren't confused enough NOT to choose some version of FOSS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424950</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>deniable</author>
	<datestamp>1268228880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obfuscated link in parent is to <a href="http://paul-robinson.us/index.php?blog=5&amp;title=the\_robinson\_method\_a\_really\_simple\_way\_&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1" title="paul-robinson.us">http://paul-robinson.us/index.php?blog=5&amp;title=the\_robinson\_method\_a\_really\_simple\_way\_&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1</a> [paul-robinson.us]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obfuscated link in parent is to http : //paul-robinson.us/index.php ? blog = 5&amp;title = the \ _robinson \ _method \ _a \ _really \ _simple \ _way \ _&amp;more = 1&amp;c = 1&amp;tb = 1&amp;pb = 1 [ paul-robinson.us ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obfuscated link in parent is to http://paul-robinson.us/index.php?blog=5&amp;title=the\_robinson\_method\_a\_really\_simple\_way\_&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1 [paul-robinson.us]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31428436</id>
	<title>My incredible and perfect solution</title>
	<author>nunokjpg</author>
	<datestamp>1268247120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Give a receipt to all voters with:

voterID
random-challenge
hash(voterID, random-challenge, vote option)

Then create a online list with all the population hashs ordered by vote option.
Only who knows the random-challenge can check that the vote was indeed accouted for that "vote option".

Should I start run to go patent this?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give a receipt to all voters with : voterID random-challenge hash ( voterID , random-challenge , vote option ) Then create a online list with all the population hashs ordered by vote option .
Only who knows the random-challenge can check that the vote was indeed accouted for that " vote option " .
Should I start run to go patent this ?
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give a receipt to all voters with:

voterID
random-challenge
hash(voterID, random-challenge, vote option)

Then create a online list with all the population hashs ordered by vote option.
Only who knows the random-challenge can check that the vote was indeed accouted for that "vote option".
Should I start run to go patent this?
:P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31425472</id>
	<title>Bad People = Electronic winners</title>
	<author>EmperorOfCanada</author>
	<datestamp>1268233080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would think that slashdotters would be largely against evoting simply because we have all seen how computers are routinely mauled by bad people. The stakes are way too high if bad people are the only ones who would hack themselves a win does this not almost make it certain that bad people will win. The only computerized voting I would accept would be one where the vote is taken by computer but then it prints a bit of paper that becomes the final say. This way you avoid hanging chads yet you give the voter the ability to audit what they put in the box. With any other evoting system the computer could ignore the voter and change the tally as it is told and the voter would a have no idea that they were just disenfranchised. With the stakes this high having people count some bits of paper is a very good investment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think that slashdotters would be largely against evoting simply because we have all seen how computers are routinely mauled by bad people .
The stakes are way too high if bad people are the only ones who would hack themselves a win does this not almost make it certain that bad people will win .
The only computerized voting I would accept would be one where the vote is taken by computer but then it prints a bit of paper that becomes the final say .
This way you avoid hanging chads yet you give the voter the ability to audit what they put in the box .
With any other evoting system the computer could ignore the voter and change the tally as it is told and the voter would a have no idea that they were just disenfranchised .
With the stakes this high having people count some bits of paper is a very good investment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think that slashdotters would be largely against evoting simply because we have all seen how computers are routinely mauled by bad people.
The stakes are way too high if bad people are the only ones who would hack themselves a win does this not almost make it certain that bad people will win.
The only computerized voting I would accept would be one where the vote is taken by computer but then it prints a bit of paper that becomes the final say.
This way you avoid hanging chads yet you give the voter the ability to audit what they put in the box.
With any other evoting system the computer could ignore the voter and change the tally as it is told and the voter would a have no idea that they were just disenfranchised.
With the stakes this high having people count some bits of paper is a very good investment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424532</id>
	<title>Still wrong</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1268221980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux doesn't make electronic voting a good idea though. How can we check the published program is the one running ? It is akin to use opaque voting boxes without showing they are empty first.<br> <br>Spread the word to fellow voters : if YOU can't understand how the vote is secured, refuse the voting system !</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux does n't make electronic voting a good idea though .
How can we check the published program is the one running ?
It is akin to use opaque voting boxes without showing they are empty first .
Spread the word to fellow voters : if YOU ca n't understand how the vote is secured , refuse the voting system !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux doesn't make electronic voting a good idea though.
How can we check the published program is the one running ?
It is akin to use opaque voting boxes without showing they are empty first.
Spread the word to fellow voters : if YOU can't understand how the vote is secured, refuse the voting system !</sentencetext>
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	<title>Mwahahaha!</title>
	<author>ndogg</author>
	<datestamp>1268220420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we get to control the Oz elections, and install Linus Torvalds as dictator (benevolent, that is) for life!!!</p><p>Mwahahahaha!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we get to control the Oz elections , and install Linus Torvalds as dictator ( benevolent , that is ) for life ! ! ! Mwahahahaha !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we get to control the Oz elections, and install Linus Torvalds as dictator (benevolent, that is) for life!!!Mwahahahaha!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424940</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1268228820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't know about Victoria, but we've had a electronic voting option here in the ACT for both the last Federal election and the last Territory election. Having said that, most people still prefer the paper ballot because it's what they are used to, I suppose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't know about Victoria , but we 've had a electronic voting option here in the ACT for both the last Federal election and the last Territory election .
Having said that , most people still prefer the paper ballot because it 's what they are used to , I suppose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't know about Victoria, but we've had a electronic voting option here in the ACT for both the last Federal election and the last Territory election.
Having said that, most people still prefer the paper ballot because it's what they are used to, I suppose.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31426132</id>
	<title>neubyr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268236620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Global lessons in e-voting:<br>http://news.cnet.com/Global-lessons-in-e-voting/2009-1008\_3-5387540.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Global lessons in e-voting : http : //news.cnet.com/Global-lessons-in-e-voting/2009-1008 \ _3-5387540.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Global lessons in e-voting:http://news.cnet.com/Global-lessons-in-e-voting/2009-1008\_3-5387540.html</sentencetext>
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	<title>Issue?</title>
	<author>fremean</author>
	<datestamp>1268232240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know why everyone has such a problem with this - the act of voting, manually or electronically is rather simple and not an overly difficult task.</p><p>Have a touch screen/keyboard overlay that displays the candidates and the computer records the order you tick the boxes.</p><p>Then prints on paper in fixed locations to match the screen overlay numbers that represent the order a box was chosen (Look at a lottery quick pick, or a machine readable ticket) print a barcode at the bottom that encodes the time, date, location, etc, the options chosen and a checksum  (Perhaps one of those new fangled 3d barcodes so people may even be able to verify it with their phones/etc)</p><p>Make sure the print out and the screen are displayed side by side, if they don't match the voter is to manually cross out with a specific pen (no computer crossing out at all).</p><p>Oh and make sure they can't unlock the voting booth until they confirm one way or the other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D<br>If the numbers in b<br>oxes don't match the barcode the vote is declared illegal.</p><p>Added points if after the user verifies the vote it's saved locally, sent to a central location, and uploaded to two independent bodies (which check the central location and each other to verify the vote)</p><p>Even more points if the barcodes, votes, and backup systems are checked routinely - like every hour all votes are scanned and compared.</p><p>The key here is that the humans and the machines are able to read the primary component printout - barcodes are only there as double checks.</p><p>Paper systems aren't foil proof - especially as we're given PENCILS to mark the boxes - and as much as they're under supervision a whole group of supervisors can be abusing the system...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know why everyone has such a problem with this - the act of voting , manually or electronically is rather simple and not an overly difficult task.Have a touch screen/keyboard overlay that displays the candidates and the computer records the order you tick the boxes.Then prints on paper in fixed locations to match the screen overlay numbers that represent the order a box was chosen ( Look at a lottery quick pick , or a machine readable ticket ) print a barcode at the bottom that encodes the time , date , location , etc , the options chosen and a checksum ( Perhaps one of those new fangled 3d barcodes so people may even be able to verify it with their phones/etc ) Make sure the print out and the screen are displayed side by side , if they do n't match the voter is to manually cross out with a specific pen ( no computer crossing out at all ) .Oh and make sure they ca n't unlock the voting booth until they confirm one way or the other : DIf the numbers in boxes do n't match the barcode the vote is declared illegal.Added points if after the user verifies the vote it 's saved locally , sent to a central location , and uploaded to two independent bodies ( which check the central location and each other to verify the vote ) Even more points if the barcodes , votes , and backup systems are checked routinely - like every hour all votes are scanned and compared.The key here is that the humans and the machines are able to read the primary component printout - barcodes are only there as double checks.Paper systems are n't foil proof - especially as we 're given PENCILS to mark the boxes - and as much as they 're under supervision a whole group of supervisors can be abusing the system.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know why everyone has such a problem with this - the act of voting, manually or electronically is rather simple and not an overly difficult task.Have a touch screen/keyboard overlay that displays the candidates and the computer records the order you tick the boxes.Then prints on paper in fixed locations to match the screen overlay numbers that represent the order a box was chosen (Look at a lottery quick pick, or a machine readable ticket) print a barcode at the bottom that encodes the time, date, location, etc, the options chosen and a checksum  (Perhaps one of those new fangled 3d barcodes so people may even be able to verify it with their phones/etc)Make sure the print out and the screen are displayed side by side, if they don't match the voter is to manually cross out with a specific pen (no computer crossing out at all).Oh and make sure they can't unlock the voting booth until they confirm one way or the other :DIf the numbers in boxes don't match the barcode the vote is declared illegal.Added points if after the user verifies the vote it's saved locally, sent to a central location, and uploaded to two independent bodies (which check the central location and each other to verify the vote)Even more points if the barcodes, votes, and backup systems are checked routinely - like every hour all votes are scanned and compared.The key here is that the humans and the machines are able to read the primary component printout - barcodes are only there as double checks.Paper systems aren't foil proof - especially as we're given PENCILS to mark the boxes - and as much as they're under supervision a whole group of supervisors can be abusing the system...</sentencetext>
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	<title>What about the rest of it?</title>
	<author>jgreco</author>
	<datestamp>1268220120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is the software open source and based on verifiable voting, too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the software open source and based on verifiable voting , too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the software open source and based on verifiable voting, too?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424936</id>
	<title>Re:Mwahahaha!</title>
	<author>html 5 tutor</author>
	<datestamp>1268228760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I misread the title as following<p><div class="quote"><p>Linus Takes Over E-Voting In Australian State</p></div><p>That's should give Steve Ballmer something to think about.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I misread the title as followingLinus Takes Over E-Voting In Australian StateThat 's should give Steve Ballmer something to think about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I misread the title as followingLinus Takes Over E-Voting In Australian StateThat's should give Steve Ballmer something to think about.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31429574</id>
	<title>Never E-vote</title>
	<author>FreeBooteR01</author>
	<datestamp>1268252460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even with GNU/Linux. I prefer the old paper method, it leaves physical proof that can be recounted. Just take a look at what has been happening in the US and realize bought and paid corporations will rig the vote in favor of the highest bidder.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even with GNU/Linux .
I prefer the old paper method , it leaves physical proof that can be recounted .
Just take a look at what has been happening in the US and realize bought and paid corporations will rig the vote in favor of the highest bidder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even with GNU/Linux.
I prefer the old paper method, it leaves physical proof that can be recounted.
Just take a look at what has been happening in the US and realize bought and paid corporations will rig the vote in favor of the highest bidder.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1268221560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Article say <i>in</i> Victoria, not <i>of</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one .
Article say in Victoria , not of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one.
Article say in Victoria, not of.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424576</id>
	<title>Get off my lawn!</title>
	<author>ajv</author>
	<datestamp>1268222820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Converting to Linux for voting machines is a big shift from the VEC of old. Color me impressed.</p><p>I remember many years ago (1998-1999) working at the VEC. I was a system admin in my first security consultant job.</p><p>DEC/Microsoft was helping the VEC create a Microsoft-only COM+ based voting system called EMS 2000. Previously, it had taken 3+ months to organize an election, despite laws allowing the Premier to call an election within a month at any time. So they had to be prepared a long way out, which was costly. EMS 2000 was essentially a way to roll out an election within three weeks. I believe it was used in at least a few elections. I wouldn't be surprised if EMS 2000 has been maintained and is still in use - it was a lot of $$$$$$ to spend on a project.</p><p>EMS 2000 used every single part of the Microsoft stack. One thing I remember was how slowly Outlook 98 opened when it had 4000 tasks. EMS 2000 created Outlook tasks using COM+ custom queuing components over very slow modem and ISDN lines to all parts of the state. Surprisingly, this was still better than the previous system, which was primarily a manual system.</p><p>It was a full MS stack with basically every single possible MS product at the time (NT, COM+, Exchange, SQL, queuing components using pre-release NT 5.0 / Win2K, and lots of custom VB code), it hung together well and ran fairly reliably considering the shaky comms at the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Converting to Linux for voting machines is a big shift from the VEC of old .
Color me impressed.I remember many years ago ( 1998-1999 ) working at the VEC .
I was a system admin in my first security consultant job.DEC/Microsoft was helping the VEC create a Microsoft-only COM + based voting system called EMS 2000 .
Previously , it had taken 3 + months to organize an election , despite laws allowing the Premier to call an election within a month at any time .
So they had to be prepared a long way out , which was costly .
EMS 2000 was essentially a way to roll out an election within three weeks .
I believe it was used in at least a few elections .
I would n't be surprised if EMS 2000 has been maintained and is still in use - it was a lot of $ $ $ $ $ $ to spend on a project.EMS 2000 used every single part of the Microsoft stack .
One thing I remember was how slowly Outlook 98 opened when it had 4000 tasks .
EMS 2000 created Outlook tasks using COM + custom queuing components over very slow modem and ISDN lines to all parts of the state .
Surprisingly , this was still better than the previous system , which was primarily a manual system.It was a full MS stack with basically every single possible MS product at the time ( NT , COM + , Exchange , SQL , queuing components using pre-release NT 5.0 / Win2K , and lots of custom VB code ) , it hung together well and ran fairly reliably considering the shaky comms at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Converting to Linux for voting machines is a big shift from the VEC of old.
Color me impressed.I remember many years ago (1998-1999) working at the VEC.
I was a system admin in my first security consultant job.DEC/Microsoft was helping the VEC create a Microsoft-only COM+ based voting system called EMS 2000.
Previously, it had taken 3+ months to organize an election, despite laws allowing the Premier to call an election within a month at any time.
So they had to be prepared a long way out, which was costly.
EMS 2000 was essentially a way to roll out an election within three weeks.
I believe it was used in at least a few elections.
I wouldn't be surprised if EMS 2000 has been maintained and is still in use - it was a lot of $$$$$$ to spend on a project.EMS 2000 used every single part of the Microsoft stack.
One thing I remember was how slowly Outlook 98 opened when it had 4000 tasks.
EMS 2000 created Outlook tasks using COM+ custom queuing components over very slow modem and ISDN lines to all parts of the state.
Surprisingly, this was still better than the previous system, which was primarily a manual system.It was a full MS stack with basically every single possible MS product at the time (NT, COM+, Exchange, SQL, queuing components using pre-release NT 5.0 / Win2K, and lots of custom VB code), it hung together well and ran fairly reliably considering the shaky comms at the time.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Hats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268229960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone noticed how the australian icon and the redhat one look so close to each other?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone noticed how the australian icon and the redhat one look so close to each other ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone noticed how the australian icon and the redhat one look so close to each other?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31427894</id>
	<title>wait-for-it</title>
	<author>indeciso</author>
	<datestamp>1268244240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>2010 is the year of Linux e-voting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>2010 is the year of Linux e-voting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2010 is the year of Linux e-voting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31432216</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>datakid23</author>
	<datestamp>1268221680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>um. Did you try google?

<a href="http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/" title="vic.gov.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/</a> [vic.gov.au]</htmltext>
<tokenext>um .
Did you try google ?
http : //www.vec.vic.gov.au/ [ vic.gov.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>um.
Did you try google?
http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/ [vic.gov.au]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424786</id>
	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268226600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Electronic voting was only brought in in order to facilitate FRAUD. Which is treason, and should be seriously punished.</p><p>Paper ballots are also suitable for fraud, which is why they are used.</p><p>There is only ONE 100\% fraud proof voting method, the Robinson Voting Method.</p><p>http://tinyurl.com/c7z4x6</p><p>This is what the scum who control your country are terrified of - a dirt cheap, simple, fraud proof voting method, because they are terrified of you having any say in your life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Electronic voting was only brought in in order to facilitate FRAUD .
Which is treason , and should be seriously punished.Paper ballots are also suitable for fraud , which is why they are used.There is only ONE 100 \ % fraud proof voting method , the Robinson Voting Method.http : //tinyurl.com/c7z4x6This is what the scum who control your country are terrified of - a dirt cheap , simple , fraud proof voting method , because they are terrified of you having any say in your life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Electronic voting was only brought in in order to facilitate FRAUD.
Which is treason, and should be seriously punished.Paper ballots are also suitable for fraud, which is why they are used.There is only ONE 100\% fraud proof voting method, the Robinson Voting Method.http://tinyurl.com/c7z4x6This is what the scum who control your country are terrified of - a dirt cheap, simple, fraud proof voting method, because they are terrified of you having any say in your life.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I think...</title>
	<author>AmonTheMetalhead</author>
	<datestamp>1268220540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>that's an Ubuntu BSD release!</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's an Ubuntu BSD release !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's an Ubuntu BSD release!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A couple of things</title>
	<author>SJ2000</author>
	<datestamp>1268220840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/" title="vic.gov.au">http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/</a> [vic.gov.au]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one http : //www.vec.vic.gov.au/ [ vic.gov.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/ [vic.gov.au]
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	<title>Victoria Police IT, myki... e-voting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268233380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Australian state of Victoria is home to some of the worst IT-related projects in the history of IT.</p><p>Victoria Police Business Information Technology Services: fraud, kickbacks, blowouts, leaks... the list is long</p><p>myki: most expensive ticketing system in the world, years behind schedule, too complex, doesn't work... the list is also long</p><p>And now they want to fail spectacularly - again - with the introduction of e-voting?</p><p>I've got a special slot reserved in my "top IT project disasters" list for any e-voting system that has anything to do with the state of Victoria.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Australian state of Victoria is home to some of the worst IT-related projects in the history of IT.Victoria Police Business Information Technology Services : fraud , kickbacks , blowouts , leaks... the list is longmyki : most expensive ticketing system in the world , years behind schedule , too complex , does n't work... the list is also longAnd now they want to fail spectacularly - again - with the introduction of e-voting ? I 've got a special slot reserved in my " top IT project disasters " list for any e-voting system that has anything to do with the state of Victoria .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Australian state of Victoria is home to some of the worst IT-related projects in the history of IT.Victoria Police Business Information Technology Services: fraud, kickbacks, blowouts, leaks... the list is longmyki: most expensive ticketing system in the world, years behind schedule, too complex, doesn't work... the list is also longAnd now they want to fail spectacularly - again - with the introduction of e-voting?I've got a special slot reserved in my "top IT project disasters" list for any e-voting system that has anything to do with the state of Victoria.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31426190</id>
	<title>VEC and AEC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268236800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC)  is an independent statutory authority established under Victoria's Electoral Act 2002, which conducts Victorian State elections, local council elections, certain statutory elections and commercial and community elections.  Where as the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) is responsible for conducting federal elections and referendums and maintaining the Commonwealth electoral roll.</p><p>The two bodies are not the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Victorian Electoral Commission ( VEC ) is an independent statutory authority established under Victoria 's Electoral Act 2002 , which conducts Victorian State elections , local council elections , certain statutory elections and commercial and community elections .
Where as the Australian Electoral Commission ( AEC ) is responsible for conducting federal elections and referendums and maintaining the Commonwealth electoral roll.The two bodies are not the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC)  is an independent statutory authority established under Victoria's Electoral Act 2002, which conducts Victorian State elections, local council elections, certain statutory elections and commercial and community elections.
Where as the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) is responsible for conducting federal elections and referendums and maintaining the Commonwealth electoral roll.The two bodies are not the same.</sentencetext>
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	<title>India uses propritery hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268222280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See this  link on how inda votes</p><p>http://brainstorms.in/?p=309</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See this link on how inda voteshttp : //brainstorms.in/ ? p = 309</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See this  link on how inda voteshttp://brainstorms.in/?p=309</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31426764</id>
	<title>Re:Pah</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268239380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you running the KDE variant of Gnome on that, and the Reiser/EXT4 filesystem?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you running the KDE variant of Gnome on that , and the Reiser/EXT4 filesystem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you running the KDE variant of Gnome on that, and the Reiser/EXT4 filesystem?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Mwahahaha!</title>
	<author>oztiks</author>
	<datestamp>1268222700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>static char shellcode[]=<br>"\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90"<br>"\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90PaulineHanson++"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>static char shellcode [ ] = " \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 " " \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90 \ 0x90PaulineHanson + + "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>static char shellcode[]="\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90""\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90\0x90PaulineHanson++"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31434200</id>
	<title>Re:Mwahahaha!</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1268238660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now we get to control the Oz elections, and install Linus Torvalds as dictator (benevolent, that is) for life!!!

Mwahahahaha!!</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

As an Australian I welcome our new OSS overload, as a sysadmin of some influence I may be useful in gathering developers to toil in his underground coding caves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we get to control the Oz elections , and install Linus Torvalds as dictator ( benevolent , that is ) for life ! ! !
Mwahahahaha ! ! As an Australian I welcome our new OSS overload , as a sysadmin of some influence I may be useful in gathering developers to toil in his underground coding caves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we get to control the Oz elections, and install Linus Torvalds as dictator (benevolent, that is) for life!!!
Mwahahahaha!!


As an Australian I welcome our new OSS overload, as a sysadmin of some influence I may be useful in gathering developers to toil in his underground coding caves.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_10_0032238.31424708</id>
	<title>GNU.Free</title>
	<author>Seyedkevin</author>
	<datestamp>1268225040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if they plan to pick GNU Free up , seeing as it's something that already, you know, exists. Otherwise I would suspect them to just use some proprietary program.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if they plan to pick GNU Free up , seeing as it 's something that already , you know , exists .
Otherwise I would suspect them to just use some proprietary program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if they plan to pick GNU Free up , seeing as it's something that already, you know, exists.
Otherwise I would suspect them to just use some proprietary program.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What about the rest of it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268228940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you seriously asking someone to RTFA for you and tell you what it says?</p><p>Seriously, I think some people are seriously confused about Linux and programming.  The problem with voting machines isn't whether they run Linux or Windows (though it is a problem of cost of the OS) it's whether or not the source code to the processes is open and available and the ability to verify that the binary running is in fact compiled from that same source.  If this happened in a Windows based machine, there would be fewer concerns.  However, one thing is generally true -- when people code for a Linux platform, they almost always consider freeing the source code and when coding for Windows, they almost always expect to keep the source code private.</p><p>This is how things like "The internet is a series of tubes" gets started.  Someone was trying to explain something conceptually and the recipient tried to take it literally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you seriously asking someone to RTFA for you and tell you what it says ? Seriously , I think some people are seriously confused about Linux and programming .
The problem with voting machines is n't whether they run Linux or Windows ( though it is a problem of cost of the OS ) it 's whether or not the source code to the processes is open and available and the ability to verify that the binary running is in fact compiled from that same source .
If this happened in a Windows based machine , there would be fewer concerns .
However , one thing is generally true -- when people code for a Linux platform , they almost always consider freeing the source code and when coding for Windows , they almost always expect to keep the source code private.This is how things like " The internet is a series of tubes " gets started .
Someone was trying to explain something conceptually and the recipient tried to take it literally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you seriously asking someone to RTFA for you and tell you what it says?Seriously, I think some people are seriously confused about Linux and programming.
The problem with voting machines isn't whether they run Linux or Windows (though it is a problem of cost of the OS) it's whether or not the source code to the processes is open and available and the ability to verify that the binary running is in fact compiled from that same source.
If this happened in a Windows based machine, there would be fewer concerns.
However, one thing is generally true -- when people code for a Linux platform, they almost always consider freeing the source code and when coding for Windows, they almost always expect to keep the source code private.This is how things like "The internet is a series of tubes" gets started.
Someone was trying to explain something conceptually and the recipient tried to take it literally.</sentencetext>
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	<title>New Zealand already uses Linux for voting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268221260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.catalyst.net.nz/clients/ceo" title="catalyst.net.nz" rel="nofollow">New Zealand already uses Linux for voting</a> [catalyst.net.nz] and has done for about a decade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand already uses Linux for voting [ catalyst.net.nz ] and has done for about a decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand already uses Linux for voting [catalyst.net.nz] and has done for about a decade.</sentencetext>
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	<title>A couple of things</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268220240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one. Maybe the <a href="http://www.aec.gov.au/" title="aec.gov.au">AEC</a> [aec.gov.au] is trialing something in Victoria?</p><p>Voting here has always been manual. You write a number in the box. I write it backwards. Gun nuts get the highest number, the greens get the lowest (which is 1), but I accept that other people go about it their own ways.</p><p>I have never seen a computer of any kind in a place where we vote. The process is obsessively manual and works very well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one .
Maybe the AEC [ aec.gov.au ] is trialing something in Victoria ? Voting here has always been manual .
You write a number in the box .
I write it backwards .
Gun nuts get the highest number , the greens get the lowest ( which is 1 ) , but I accept that other people go about it their own ways.I have never seen a computer of any kind in a place where we vote .
The process is obsessively manual and works very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Victoria and as far a I know there is only one electoral commission in Australia and that is the national one.
Maybe the AEC [aec.gov.au] is trialing something in Victoria?Voting here has always been manual.
You write a number in the box.
I write it backwards.
Gun nuts get the highest number, the greens get the lowest (which is 1), but I accept that other people go about it their own ways.I have never seen a computer of any kind in a place where we vote.
The process is obsessively manual and works very well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Today Australia</title>
	<author>Xenna</author>
	<datestamp>1268232360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good God...</p><p>I see that Linus wasn't kidding when he was talking about world domination!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good God...I see that Linus was n't kidding when he was talking about world domination !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good God...I see that Linus wasn't kidding when he was talking about world domination!</sentencetext>
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