<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_09_2210205</id>
	<title>NewEgg Confirms Shipping Fake Core i7s</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268129520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>adeelarshad82 writes <i>"After originally rejecting the story, online retailer NewEgg confirmed that <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361104,00.asp">a shipment of Core i7s were indeed fake</a>, and apologized for the affair. NewEgg has also broken off its relationship with IPEX, the supplier of the phony lot. The retailer said that it has already contacted affected customers and would continue to reach out and replace the counterfeit parts. We <a href="//hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/03/06/2250252/Some-Newegg-Customers-Received-Fake-Intel-Core-i7s">discussed the fake Core i7s</a> over the weekend."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>adeelarshad82 writes " After originally rejecting the story , online retailer NewEgg confirmed that a shipment of Core i7s were indeed fake , and apologized for the affair .
NewEgg has also broken off its relationship with IPEX , the supplier of the phony lot .
The retailer said that it has already contacted affected customers and would continue to reach out and replace the counterfeit parts .
We discussed the fake Core i7s over the weekend .
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<sentencetext>adeelarshad82 writes "After originally rejecting the story, online retailer NewEgg confirmed that a shipment of Core i7s were indeed fake, and apologized for the affair.
NewEgg has also broken off its relationship with IPEX, the supplier of the phony lot.
The retailer said that it has already contacted affected customers and would continue to reach out and replace the counterfeit parts.
We discussed the fake Core i7s over the weekend.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420480</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>Mr. Sketch</author>
	<datestamp>1268135280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you even read that article you linked to?  It says that the legal threats came from a company called D&amp;H Distributing that the sites claim sold the counterfeit equipment to Newegg:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In fact, the legal beagles over at D&amp;H Distributing got so worked up over the horrifying gall and chutzpah of Icrontic and HardOCP for daring to ask a question that the company slapped both publications with a &ldquo;cease and desist&rdquo; order.</p><p>Sent by the lawyers representing D&amp;H, Creim Macias Koenig &amp; Frey, it reads in part:</p><p>&ldquo;It has recently been brought to our attention that you are responsible for publishing on the internet, and specifically on your websites, untrue  statements  respecting allegedly counterfeit Intel Core i7 processors which you allege were <b>sold to Newegg by D&amp;H</b>.</p><p>&ldquo;This letter places you on notice that these statements are false.  You have no basis for publishing these false and malicious statements about D &amp; H.  These false allegations are defamatory and disparaging to D&amp;H&rdquo;s business and business relations and have caused grave and irreparable damage to our client.&rdquo;</p></div><p>Emphasis mine.</p><p>That article also mentions that Newegg had already started issuing replacements and they were just trying to figure out where those chips came from:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Tech community site, Icrontic, picked up the HardOCP story and noted that <b>Newegg had shipped replacements for the fake CPUs quickly to affected customers</b> and that both the <b>e-tailer and Intel were in the process of investigating where the chips came from</b>.</p></div><p>Emphasis mine.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Did you even read that article you linked to ?
It says that the legal threats came from a company called D&amp;H Distributing that the sites claim sold the counterfeit equipment to Newegg : In fact , the legal beagles over at D&amp;H Distributing got so worked up over the horrifying gall and chutzpah of Icrontic and HardOCP for daring to ask a question that the company slapped both publications with a    cease and desist    order.Sent by the lawyers representing D&amp;H , Creim Macias Koenig &amp; Frey , it reads in part :    It has recently been brought to our attention that you are responsible for publishing on the internet , and specifically on your websites , untrue statements respecting allegedly counterfeit Intel Core i7 processors which you allege were sold to Newegg by D&amp;H.    This letter places you on notice that these statements are false .
You have no basis for publishing these false and malicious statements about D &amp; H. These false allegations are defamatory and disparaging to D&amp;H    s business and business relations and have caused grave and irreparable damage to our client.    Emphasis mine.That article also mentions that Newegg had already started issuing replacements and they were just trying to figure out where those chips came from : Tech community site , Icrontic , picked up the HardOCP story and noted that Newegg had shipped replacements for the fake CPUs quickly to affected customers and that both the e-tailer and Intel were in the process of investigating where the chips came from.Emphasis mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you even read that article you linked to?
It says that the legal threats came from a company called D&amp;H Distributing that the sites claim sold the counterfeit equipment to Newegg:In fact, the legal beagles over at D&amp;H Distributing got so worked up over the horrifying gall and chutzpah of Icrontic and HardOCP for daring to ask a question that the company slapped both publications with a “cease and desist” order.Sent by the lawyers representing D&amp;H, Creim Macias Koenig &amp; Frey, it reads in part:“It has recently been brought to our attention that you are responsible for publishing on the internet, and specifically on your websites, untrue  statements  respecting allegedly counterfeit Intel Core i7 processors which you allege were sold to Newegg by D&amp;H.“This letter places you on notice that these statements are false.
You have no basis for publishing these false and malicious statements about D &amp; H.  These false allegations are defamatory and disparaging to D&amp;H”s business and business relations and have caused grave and irreparable damage to our client.”Emphasis mine.That article also mentions that Newegg had already started issuing replacements and they were just trying to figure out where those chips came from:Tech community site, Icrontic, picked up the HardOCP story and noted that Newegg had shipped replacements for the fake CPUs quickly to affected customers and that both the e-tailer and Intel were in the process of investigating where the chips came from.Emphasis mine.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422962</id>
	<title>Example of poor quality from Newegg</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Notice from the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=24-236-052&amp;SortField=0&amp;SummaryType=0&amp;Pagesize=100&amp;SelectedRating=-1&amp;PurchaseMark=&amp;VideoOnlyMark=False&amp;VendorMark=&amp;Keywords=(keywords)&amp;Page=1" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">reviews</a> [newegg.com] how many people who have had this ASUS VH242H monitor more than a month have had severe problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Notice from the reviews [ newegg.com ] how many people who have had this ASUS VH242H monitor more than a month have had severe problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Notice from the reviews [newegg.com] how many people who have had this ASUS VH242H monitor more than a month have had severe problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420262</id>
	<title>Re:NewEgg handled it well,</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1268134320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep. Newegg has never done me or anyone I know any wrong. They've done a couple things incorrectly over my massive number of purchases with them (like sending me some ddr266 instead of ddr300 ram), but the day I told them was the day they told me to send it back and they'd replace it.</p><p>This entire ordeal has only further solidified my loyalty to checking them first and giving their products a premium preference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep .
Newegg has never done me or anyone I know any wrong .
They 've done a couple things incorrectly over my massive number of purchases with them ( like sending me some ddr266 instead of ddr300 ram ) , but the day I told them was the day they told me to send it back and they 'd replace it.This entire ordeal has only further solidified my loyalty to checking them first and giving their products a premium preference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.
Newegg has never done me or anyone I know any wrong.
They've done a couple things incorrectly over my massive number of purchases with them (like sending me some ddr266 instead of ddr300 ram), but the day I told them was the day they told me to send it back and they'd replace it.This entire ordeal has only further solidified my loyalty to checking them first and giving their products a premium preference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420402</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read the article you linked. It's the distributor D&amp;H that these sites accused without evidence and as such it was the D&amp;H lawyers that sent the cease and desist. As it turns out it was a completely different distributor (IPEX).</p><p>"A company called D&amp;H Distributing doesn&rsquo;t consider it legitimate for the free press took umbrage to this. In fact, the legal beagles over at D&amp;H Distributing got so worked up over the horrifying gall and chutzpah of Icrontic and HardOCP for daring to ask a question that the company slapped both publications with a &ldquo;cease and desist&rdquo; order.</p><p>Sent by the lawyers representing D&amp;H, Creim Macias Koenig &amp; Frey, it reads in part..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read the article you linked .
It 's the distributor D&amp;H that these sites accused without evidence and as such it was the D&amp;H lawyers that sent the cease and desist .
As it turns out it was a completely different distributor ( IPEX ) .
" A company called D&amp;H Distributing doesn    t consider it legitimate for the free press took umbrage to this .
In fact , the legal beagles over at D&amp;H Distributing got so worked up over the horrifying gall and chutzpah of Icrontic and HardOCP for daring to ask a question that the company slapped both publications with a    cease and desist    order.Sent by the lawyers representing D&amp;H , Creim Macias Koenig &amp; Frey , it reads in part... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read the article you linked.
It's the distributor D&amp;H that these sites accused without evidence and as such it was the D&amp;H lawyers that sent the cease and desist.
As it turns out it was a completely different distributor (IPEX).
"A company called D&amp;H Distributing doesn’t consider it legitimate for the free press took umbrage to this.
In fact, the legal beagles over at D&amp;H Distributing got so worked up over the horrifying gall and chutzpah of Icrontic and HardOCP for daring to ask a question that the company slapped both publications with a “cease and desist” order.Sent by the lawyers representing D&amp;H, Creim Macias Koenig &amp; Frey, it reads in part..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422674</id>
	<title>Re:Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1268152320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given the relatively pathetic state of non Intel/AMD x86s(VIA, a few oddball embedded guys, crickets...) I would be <i>very</i> surprised if there were anybody out there who could make money by fabbing chips close enough in function to be mistaken for the real thing for the price of the real thing or a bit less(since you usually have to offer the buyer some savings to induce them to go grey). Particularly given the mess of x86 extensions that intel(particularly) and amd(sometimes) are introducing. Even AMD is always lagging intel's latest SSE v.N+1 for a bit.<br> <br>

Back in the day, before this became a lot harder, there were quite a few low end(but authentic) CPUs with faked high end markings on them, and sometimes with multiplier tweaks to match, floating around. That was back when there were more CPU vendors that were socket compatible and actually vaguely competitive, so there was probably some rebranding going on as well. I don't know if Newegg was around early enough to have been at risk of those.<br> <br>

These days, the only really viable way of making "functional counterfeits" of either Intel or AMD would be to have insider access to their lower binned dice <i>before</i> their inferior model status is lasered into them. If you have that kind of access, sneaking chunks of <i>quite valuable</i> product out of some of the world's most sophisticated fabs, you could probably make more money selling secrets or suitcase nukes...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the relatively pathetic state of non Intel/AMD x86s ( VIA , a few oddball embedded guys , crickets... ) I would be very surprised if there were anybody out there who could make money by fabbing chips close enough in function to be mistaken for the real thing for the price of the real thing or a bit less ( since you usually have to offer the buyer some savings to induce them to go grey ) .
Particularly given the mess of x86 extensions that intel ( particularly ) and amd ( sometimes ) are introducing .
Even AMD is always lagging intel 's latest SSE v.N + 1 for a bit .
Back in the day , before this became a lot harder , there were quite a few low end ( but authentic ) CPUs with faked high end markings on them , and sometimes with multiplier tweaks to match , floating around .
That was back when there were more CPU vendors that were socket compatible and actually vaguely competitive , so there was probably some rebranding going on as well .
I do n't know if Newegg was around early enough to have been at risk of those .
These days , the only really viable way of making " functional counterfeits " of either Intel or AMD would be to have insider access to their lower binned dice before their inferior model status is lasered into them .
If you have that kind of access , sneaking chunks of quite valuable product out of some of the world 's most sophisticated fabs , you could probably make more money selling secrets or suitcase nukes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the relatively pathetic state of non Intel/AMD x86s(VIA, a few oddball embedded guys, crickets...) I would be very surprised if there were anybody out there who could make money by fabbing chips close enough in function to be mistaken for the real thing for the price of the real thing or a bit less(since you usually have to offer the buyer some savings to induce them to go grey).
Particularly given the mess of x86 extensions that intel(particularly) and amd(sometimes) are introducing.
Even AMD is always lagging intel's latest SSE v.N+1 for a bit.
Back in the day, before this became a lot harder, there were quite a few low end(but authentic) CPUs with faked high end markings on them, and sometimes with multiplier tweaks to match, floating around.
That was back when there were more CPU vendors that were socket compatible and actually vaguely competitive, so there was probably some rebranding going on as well.
I don't know if Newegg was around early enough to have been at risk of those.
These days, the only really viable way of making "functional counterfeits" of either Intel or AMD would be to have insider access to their lower binned dice before their inferior model status is lasered into them.
If you have that kind of access, sneaking chunks of quite valuable product out of some of the world's most sophisticated fabs, you could probably make more money selling secrets or suitcase nukes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420900</id>
	<title>Re:Lost customer</title>
	<author>Bruinwar</author>
	<datestamp>1268137560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK by me, please support the competition before Newegg buries them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK by me , please support the competition before Newegg buries them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK by me, please support the competition before Newegg buries them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420374</id>
	<title>Re:Glad</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1268134740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The scenarios you describe are nice.. But it's kind of like tipping.. It's an accepted practice, but not required. There are oh so many people who abuse the niceties of customer service, at restaurants in particular.. Many people call customer service lines in ballistic mode, because they have come to expect something free offered.. These situations should be a pleasant surprise that something extra was done to make someone happy, not am expectation.. Someone "working the system" really isn't going to appreciate it anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The scenarios you describe are nice.. But it 's kind of like tipping.. It 's an accepted practice , but not required .
There are oh so many people who abuse the niceties of customer service , at restaurants in particular.. Many people call customer service lines in ballistic mode , because they have come to expect something free offered.. These situations should be a pleasant surprise that something extra was done to make someone happy , not am expectation.. Someone " working the system " really is n't going to appreciate it anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The scenarios you describe are nice.. But it's kind of like tipping.. It's an accepted practice, but not required.
There are oh so many people who abuse the niceties of customer service, at restaurants in particular.. Many people call customer service lines in ballistic mode, because they have come to expect something free offered.. These situations should be a pleasant surprise that something extra was done to make someone happy, not am expectation.. Someone "working the system" really isn't going to appreciate it anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420224</id>
	<title>Re:New Egg</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1268134140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>...And what do you do to prevent this? Go through every single Core i7 to find the fake ones? Quite honestly, when you get told that you are buying a Core i7, the box looks genuine (unless you are reading everything) it looks like the correct weight, etc. In short, there isn't much Newegg could have done short of opening up every box.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...And what do you do to prevent this ?
Go through every single Core i7 to find the fake ones ?
Quite honestly , when you get told that you are buying a Core i7 , the box looks genuine ( unless you are reading everything ) it looks like the correct weight , etc .
In short , there is n't much Newegg could have done short of opening up every box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...And what do you do to prevent this?
Go through every single Core i7 to find the fake ones?
Quite honestly, when you get told that you are buying a Core i7, the box looks genuine (unless you are reading everything) it looks like the correct weight, etc.
In short, there isn't much Newegg could have done short of opening up every box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31423208</id>
	<title>Re:Glad</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1268158140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can try getting that if you ever have that problem with NewEgg, see how it works.<br> <br>
As for me, because of how NewEgg handled this problem, they now have me as a new customer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can try getting that if you ever have that problem with NewEgg , see how it works .
As for me , because of how NewEgg handled this problem , they now have me as a new customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can try getting that if you ever have that problem with NewEgg, see how it works.
As for me, because of how NewEgg handled this problem, they now have me as a new customer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31423008</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Want to find even more? Try buying some flash on ebay sometime.</p></div><p>Yeah I've fallen for that scam before.  3 times<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(  Don't buy USB sticks off EBay unless you only want to store a single Word document on them (with no pictures) because that's all you will be able to fit.  I've heard that there are actually large corporations in China whose income relies on producing counterfeit items and suckering people in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:\</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Want to find even more ?
Try buying some flash on ebay sometime.Yeah I 've fallen for that scam before .
3 times : ( Do n't buy USB sticks off EBay unless you only want to store a single Word document on them ( with no pictures ) because that 's all you will be able to fit .
I 've heard that there are actually large corporations in China whose income relies on producing counterfeit items and suckering people in : \</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Want to find even more?
Try buying some flash on ebay sometime.Yeah I've fallen for that scam before.
3 times :(  Don't buy USB sticks off EBay unless you only want to store a single Word document on them (with no pictures) because that's all you will be able to fit.
I've heard that there are actually large corporations in China whose income relies on producing counterfeit items and suckering people in :\
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420228</id>
	<title>BS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They threatened to sue the journalists reporting the <a href="http://www.techeye.net/business/company-threatens-journalists-over-fake-intel-cpu-reports" title="techeye.net" rel="nofollow">story.</a> [techeye.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They threatened to sue the journalists reporting the story .
[ techeye.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They threatened to sue the journalists reporting the story.
[techeye.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420844</id>
	<title>Told ya so...</title>
	<author>interval1066</author>
	<datestamp>1268137260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1573900&amp;cid=31384826" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1573900&amp;cid=31384826</a> [slashdot.org] <br>A shipment meant to deceive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1573900&amp;cid = 31384826 [ slashdot.org ] A shipment meant to deceive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1573900&amp;cid=31384826 [slashdot.org] A shipment meant to deceive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420090</id>
	<title>Glad</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1268133600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Glad to see NewEgg confirming that the problem exists and that they're fixing it.  Now they have to take responsibility for their actions, what will they offer as compensation to those affected?  All problems a company encounters are opportunities in customer service.</p><p>Yes, I realize you fucked my steak up, but mistakes happen.  How are you going to fix it?  Replacing the steak, fine, but keep in mind I had to wait for it to be cooked, now I have to wait for it to be cooked again.  Free dessert?  Sure.  In the end, they ended up better off than they started.  Because now I know they're willing to make up for their mistakes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glad to see NewEgg confirming that the problem exists and that they 're fixing it .
Now they have to take responsibility for their actions , what will they offer as compensation to those affected ?
All problems a company encounters are opportunities in customer service.Yes , I realize you fucked my steak up , but mistakes happen .
How are you going to fix it ?
Replacing the steak , fine , but keep in mind I had to wait for it to be cooked , now I have to wait for it to be cooked again .
Free dessert ?
Sure. In the end , they ended up better off than they started .
Because now I know they 're willing to make up for their mistakes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glad to see NewEgg confirming that the problem exists and that they're fixing it.
Now they have to take responsibility for their actions, what will they offer as compensation to those affected?
All problems a company encounters are opportunities in customer service.Yes, I realize you fucked my steak up, but mistakes happen.
How are you going to fix it?
Replacing the steak, fine, but keep in mind I had to wait for it to be cooked, now I have to wait for it to be cooked again.
Free dessert?
Sure.  In the end, they ended up better off than they started.
Because now I know they're willing to make up for their mistakes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420168</id>
	<title>Re:Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"But... if you can't trust the Government<b>s of the world</b>, who can you trust?"</p><p>FIFY</p><p>YEAH! I know it by heart! You got a problem with that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" But... if you ca n't trust the Governments of the world , who can you trust ? " FIFYYEAH !
I know it by heart !
You got a problem with that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But... if you can't trust the Governments of the world, who can you trust?"FIFYYEAH!
I know it by heart!
You got a problem with that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421188</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1268139540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay let me put it this way.  You're an idjit, D&amp;H has the right to protect their name from being sullied when they didn't ship anything like that because in this day and age: Name recognition means all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay let me put it this way .
You 're an idjit , D&amp;H has the right to protect their name from being sullied when they did n't ship anything like that because in this day and age : Name recognition means all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay let me put it this way.
You're an idjit, D&amp;H has the right to protect their name from being sullied when they didn't ship anything like that because in this day and age: Name recognition means all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31424274</id>
	<title>Re:Why does NewEgg even need a distributor?</title>
	<author>dfsmith</author>
	<datestamp>1268217660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a good reason.  [Puts on business hat.]  When you sell around your distributor (i.e., if Intel were to sell directly to NewEgg) then you <i>really</i> annoy your distributor.  When this happens, you get in the situation where your distributor's salespeople are telling the retailers, "You know, we really recommend [say] AMD, and can offer you a lower commission".  Now, Intel is almost a monopoly, so they could get away with this, but they know they won't always be.  They still have a competitor, and while AMD is still around, Intel can't afford to lose its distribution sales force.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a good reason .
[ Puts on business hat .
] When you sell around your distributor ( i.e. , if Intel were to sell directly to NewEgg ) then you really annoy your distributor .
When this happens , you get in the situation where your distributor 's salespeople are telling the retailers , " You know , we really recommend [ say ] AMD , and can offer you a lower commission " .
Now , Intel is almost a monopoly , so they could get away with this , but they know they wo n't always be .
They still have a competitor , and while AMD is still around , Intel ca n't afford to lose its distribution sales force .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a good reason.
[Puts on business hat.
]  When you sell around your distributor (i.e., if Intel were to sell directly to NewEgg) then you really annoy your distributor.
When this happens, you get in the situation where your distributor's salespeople are telling the retailers, "You know, we really recommend [say] AMD, and can offer you a lower commission".
Now, Intel is almost a monopoly, so they could get away with this, but they know they won't always be.
They still have a competitor, and while AMD is still around, Intel can't afford to lose its distribution sales force.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420120</id>
	<title>After following this....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After following this story early friday from hardocp.com, I still have 1 question. At what point in the process, did the fake processor's enter the supply chain? This, afaik, has still not been answered.</p><p>Was it between the Intel fab. plant and the wholesaler? Wholesaler and frontline sales (ie. newegg)? Or, Newegg and customer? There may be more links in the chain, but I'd still like to know where the swap was made. Will we ever know? Newegg dropping IPEX doesn't tell me where the counterfeits entered the supply chain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After following this story early friday from hardocp.com , I still have 1 question .
At what point in the process , did the fake processor 's enter the supply chain ?
This , afaik , has still not been answered.Was it between the Intel fab .
plant and the wholesaler ?
Wholesaler and frontline sales ( ie .
newegg ) ? Or , Newegg and customer ?
There may be more links in the chain , but I 'd still like to know where the swap was made .
Will we ever know ?
Newegg dropping IPEX does n't tell me where the counterfeits entered the supply chain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After following this story early friday from hardocp.com, I still have 1 question.
At what point in the process, did the fake processor's enter the supply chain?
This, afaik, has still not been answered.Was it between the Intel fab.
plant and the wholesaler?
Wholesaler and frontline sales (ie.
newegg)? Or, Newegg and customer?
There may be more links in the chain, but I'd still like to know where the swap was made.
Will we ever know?
Newegg dropping IPEX doesn't tell me where the counterfeits entered the supply chain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420746</id>
	<title>Re:Why does NewEgg even need a distributor?</title>
	<author>coolgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1268136660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They probably do, but I imagine everyone is still on allocation with the i7, so newegg is forced to go to the open market to meet the demand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They probably do , but I imagine everyone is still on allocation with the i7 , so newegg is forced to go to the open market to meet the demand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They probably do, but I imagine everyone is still on allocation with the i7, so newegg is forced to go to the open market to meet the demand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420298</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to that article Newegg did not threaten to sue, Newegg's supplier did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to that article Newegg did not threaten to sue , Newegg 's supplier did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to that article Newegg did not threaten to sue, Newegg's supplier did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420004</id>
	<title>New Egg</title>
	<author>nhytefall</author>
	<datestamp>1268133240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...smells like a rotten egg to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...smells like a rotten egg to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...smells like a rotten egg to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420722</id>
	<title>Re:Why does NewEgg even need a distributor?</title>
	<author>Rockoon</author>
	<datestamp>1268136540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Volume discounts.<br>
<br>
Resellers would benefit from getting together and purchasing in very large volumes, but in practice they just dont get along. Thus creates the need for Distributors.<br>
<br>
Distributors supply many Resellers, so they act as a proxy of that deal the Resellers can't agree on amongst themselves. The Distributor gets a much better volume discount than any Reseller can individually, so both Distributor and Reseller can gain from this arrangement.<br>
<br>
The manufacturer gains because their operation is much more efficient when they have large negotiated orders to meet, instead of an unpredictable stream of small orders.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Volume discounts .
Resellers would benefit from getting together and purchasing in very large volumes , but in practice they just dont get along .
Thus creates the need for Distributors .
Distributors supply many Resellers , so they act as a proxy of that deal the Resellers ca n't agree on amongst themselves .
The Distributor gets a much better volume discount than any Reseller can individually , so both Distributor and Reseller can gain from this arrangement .
The manufacturer gains because their operation is much more efficient when they have large negotiated orders to meet , instead of an unpredictable stream of small orders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Volume discounts.
Resellers would benefit from getting together and purchasing in very large volumes, but in practice they just dont get along.
Thus creates the need for Distributors.
Distributors supply many Resellers, so they act as a proxy of that deal the Resellers can't agree on amongst themselves.
The Distributor gets a much better volume discount than any Reseller can individually, so both Distributor and Reseller can gain from this arrangement.
The manufacturer gains because their operation is much more efficient when they have large negotiated orders to meet, instead of an unpredictable stream of small orders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31429086</id>
	<title>HAH!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268250120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another reason for me be glad I ordered a Quad Core Phenom II 965 instead of an Intel chip from them just a few weeks ago!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another reason for me be glad I ordered a Quad Core Phenom II 965 instead of an Intel chip from them just a few weeks ago !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another reason for me be glad I ordered a Quad Core Phenom II 965 instead of an Intel chip from them just a few weeks ago!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420712</id>
	<title>Re:Lost customer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268136480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd seriously lose faith in a company that blows everyone else away in customer service because of this one thing? Are you serious? So it doesn't matter that they exchanged the fakes and bent over backwards to fix the problem?</p><p>Grow the hell up and come back to reality. This entitled generation crap is beyond annoying, expecting everyone and everything to be absolutely perfect and cater to your every need and the second they don't then BAM they're horrible and evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd seriously lose faith in a company that blows everyone else away in customer service because of this one thing ?
Are you serious ?
So it does n't matter that they exchanged the fakes and bent over backwards to fix the problem ? Grow the hell up and come back to reality .
This entitled generation crap is beyond annoying , expecting everyone and everything to be absolutely perfect and cater to your every need and the second they do n't then BAM they 're horrible and evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd seriously lose faith in a company that blows everyone else away in customer service because of this one thing?
Are you serious?
So it doesn't matter that they exchanged the fakes and bent over backwards to fix the problem?Grow the hell up and come back to reality.
This entitled generation crap is beyond annoying, expecting everyone and everything to be absolutely perfect and cater to your every need and the second they don't then BAM they're horrible and evil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420446</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1268135100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, actually, one of NewEgg's distros threatened to sue the bloggers. And justifiably, since the accusation as made was mistaken.</p><p>Oh, in related news, NewEgg threatened to sue YOU for falsely accusing them of suing journalists.</p><p>Ok, no, not really.</p><p>But it's pretty obvious a LOT of people need to be more careful tossing around accusations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , actually , one of NewEgg 's distros threatened to sue the bloggers .
And justifiably , since the accusation as made was mistaken.Oh , in related news , NewEgg threatened to sue YOU for falsely accusing them of suing journalists.Ok , no , not really.But it 's pretty obvious a LOT of people need to be more careful tossing around accusations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, actually, one of NewEgg's distros threatened to sue the bloggers.
And justifiably, since the accusation as made was mistaken.Oh, in related news, NewEgg threatened to sue YOU for falsely accusing them of suing journalists.Ok, no, not really.But it's pretty obvious a LOT of people need to be more careful tossing around accusations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31423462</id>
	<title>Re:Lost customer</title>
	<author>clarkkent09</author>
	<datestamp>1268162220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A agree. It's unreasonable to expect perfection from anybody. I've had some bad experiences with Newegg, received bad hard drives one after another, been charged a restocking fee for returning an item that arrived broken. The other fifty times I've been very happy with their service though and I tend to trust them more than other online retailers (Except for B&amp;H Photo. They really do blow everyone else away in customer service).</htmltext>
<tokenext>A agree .
It 's unreasonable to expect perfection from anybody .
I 've had some bad experiences with Newegg , received bad hard drives one after another , been charged a restocking fee for returning an item that arrived broken .
The other fifty times I 've been very happy with their service though and I tend to trust them more than other online retailers ( Except for B&amp;H Photo .
They really do blow everyone else away in customer service ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A agree.
It's unreasonable to expect perfection from anybody.
I've had some bad experiences with Newegg, received bad hard drives one after another, been charged a restocking fee for returning an item that arrived broken.
The other fifty times I've been very happy with their service though and I tend to trust them more than other online retailers (Except for B&amp;H Photo.
They really do blow everyone else away in customer service).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422272</id>
	<title>Re:Who is IPEX?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268148660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quite honestly, HardOCP has to be one of the biggest "fudging" technical publications that exists today.</p><p>Full disclosure (and my reason for posting AC) - I wrote for some time for a competing website. I won't name it, but it has a much larger base than HardOCP ever did (and no, not Tom's). We used to joke very frequently that someone would "use the HardOCP method" when they were getting frustrated with results not repeating (ie. the "HardOCP method" being just to arbitrarily choose a result and move on). We never DID that, mind you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Even their "retraction" is a load of horsecrap. "This should settle where we were right, and where we were misinformed". Bullshit. Man up, Princess: ***YOU*** f*cked up by regurgitating information you got. You know EXACTLY what you did, what you were trying to do, and you got burned by (ostensibly) a bad source.</p><p>I've nothing personally against HardOCP as a website, but I'm really nauseated by their handling of this. It's cute when you fudge things because you don't know how to review a product properly - everyone just kind of snickers, rolls their eyes, and moves on... but it's awful when you're jeopardizing the livelihoods of people at innocent companies (the distributing company) because you wanted a few extra page impressions. Looks good on you, and I hope their lawyers cause you a few sleepless nights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite honestly , HardOCP has to be one of the biggest " fudging " technical publications that exists today.Full disclosure ( and my reason for posting AC ) - I wrote for some time for a competing website .
I wo n't name it , but it has a much larger base than HardOCP ever did ( and no , not Tom 's ) .
We used to joke very frequently that someone would " use the HardOCP method " when they were getting frustrated with results not repeating ( ie .
the " HardOCP method " being just to arbitrarily choose a result and move on ) .
We never DID that , mind you .
: ) Even their " retraction " is a load of horsecrap .
" This should settle where we were right , and where we were misinformed " .
Bullshit. Man up , Princess : * * * YOU * * * f * cked up by regurgitating information you got .
You know EXACTLY what you did , what you were trying to do , and you got burned by ( ostensibly ) a bad source.I 've nothing personally against HardOCP as a website , but I 'm really nauseated by their handling of this .
It 's cute when you fudge things because you do n't know how to review a product properly - everyone just kind of snickers , rolls their eyes , and moves on... but it 's awful when you 're jeopardizing the livelihoods of people at innocent companies ( the distributing company ) because you wanted a few extra page impressions .
Looks good on you , and I hope their lawyers cause you a few sleepless nights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite honestly, HardOCP has to be one of the biggest "fudging" technical publications that exists today.Full disclosure (and my reason for posting AC) - I wrote for some time for a competing website.
I won't name it, but it has a much larger base than HardOCP ever did (and no, not Tom's).
We used to joke very frequently that someone would "use the HardOCP method" when they were getting frustrated with results not repeating (ie.
the "HardOCP method" being just to arbitrarily choose a result and move on).
We never DID that, mind you.
:)Even their "retraction" is a load of horsecrap.
"This should settle where we were right, and where we were misinformed".
Bullshit. Man up, Princess: ***YOU*** f*cked up by regurgitating information you got.
You know EXACTLY what you did, what you were trying to do, and you got burned by (ostensibly) a bad source.I've nothing personally against HardOCP as a website, but I'm really nauseated by their handling of this.
It's cute when you fudge things because you don't know how to review a product properly - everyone just kind of snickers, rolls their eyes, and moves on... but it's awful when you're jeopardizing the livelihoods of people at innocent companies (the distributing company) because you wanted a few extra page impressions.
Looks good on you, and I hope their lawyers cause you a few sleepless nights.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420422</id>
	<title>Re:Glad</title>
	<author>Idbar</author>
	<datestamp>1268135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>what will they offer as compensation to those affected?</p></div><p>Maybe the affected people can keep the fake ones?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what will they offer as compensation to those affected ? Maybe the affected people can keep the fake ones ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what will they offer as compensation to those affected?Maybe the affected people can keep the fake ones?
;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421324</id>
	<title>Re:Intel Inside...</title>
	<author>RsG</author>
	<datestamp>1268140500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked in an electronics store.  Let me tell you - typos on the box?  Not a sign of phony merchandise.  At least not in and of itself.  A surprisingly large number of legitimate items have such errors, and usually the only people who notice are the depot/stock/merchandising/receiving staff.</p><p>Half the time the products or packaging in question are made somewhere in southeast asia (china, usually) so the culprit is the language barrier for the QA people.  The other half, the problem is they just didn't care.  A few thousand boxes get shipped with a minor typo in the fine print, because nobody bothered to check.  Usually they'll just sell the ones with the error, since the customers almost never notice, and correct the spelling/grammar/whatever the next time the packaging gets redesigned.</p><p>Also, having different packaging for the same SKU isn't unusual, due to the frequency of redesigns.  So you have an item, which looks identical out of the box, but which comes in two or three different types of box.  This is doubly true of anything going on display, since the packaging is supposed to by eye-catching, and never stays the same for long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked in an electronics store .
Let me tell you - typos on the box ?
Not a sign of phony merchandise .
At least not in and of itself .
A surprisingly large number of legitimate items have such errors , and usually the only people who notice are the depot/stock/merchandising/receiving staff.Half the time the products or packaging in question are made somewhere in southeast asia ( china , usually ) so the culprit is the language barrier for the QA people .
The other half , the problem is they just did n't care .
A few thousand boxes get shipped with a minor typo in the fine print , because nobody bothered to check .
Usually they 'll just sell the ones with the error , since the customers almost never notice , and correct the spelling/grammar/whatever the next time the packaging gets redesigned.Also , having different packaging for the same SKU is n't unusual , due to the frequency of redesigns .
So you have an item , which looks identical out of the box , but which comes in two or three different types of box .
This is doubly true of anything going on display , since the packaging is supposed to by eye-catching , and never stays the same for long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked in an electronics store.
Let me tell you - typos on the box?
Not a sign of phony merchandise.
At least not in and of itself.
A surprisingly large number of legitimate items have such errors, and usually the only people who notice are the depot/stock/merchandising/receiving staff.Half the time the products or packaging in question are made somewhere in southeast asia (china, usually) so the culprit is the language barrier for the QA people.
The other half, the problem is they just didn't care.
A few thousand boxes get shipped with a minor typo in the fine print, because nobody bothered to check.
Usually they'll just sell the ones with the error, since the customers almost never notice, and correct the spelling/grammar/whatever the next time the packaging gets redesigned.Also, having different packaging for the same SKU isn't unusual, due to the frequency of redesigns.
So you have an item, which looks identical out of the box, but which comes in two or three different types of box.
This is doubly true of anything going on display, since the packaging is supposed to by eye-catching, and never stays the same for long.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420030</id>
	<title>Intel Inside...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sure liked the typos on the box.  All that effort to duplicate holograms and what not, and they blow it on spacing and spelling.</p><p>Criminals, you gotta love their chutzpah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sure liked the typos on the box .
All that effort to duplicate holograms and what not , and they blow it on spacing and spelling.Criminals , you got ta love their chutzpah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sure liked the typos on the box.
All that effort to duplicate holograms and what not, and they blow it on spacing and spelling.Criminals, you gotta love their chutzpah.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420502</id>
	<title>Re:Glad</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1268135400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are RUSH shipping the customers replacements. That is good enough to be fair. Lets put you in the same situation. You bump into me you say I am sorry. Well you wrinkled my shirt. So you should pay for my dry cleaning.<br>You cut me off in traffic and cost me five minutes because I hit a red light. I want cash.</p><p>Yes it is nice if they bend over backwards. In this case if you paid for rush shipping I could see them refunding it. In the end if you think they didn't do enough then don't buy from them. But this give me this or that is just a case of mistaken entitlement.<br>It is nice when they do it but it is not a requirement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are RUSH shipping the customers replacements .
That is good enough to be fair .
Lets put you in the same situation .
You bump into me you say I am sorry .
Well you wrinkled my shirt .
So you should pay for my dry cleaning.You cut me off in traffic and cost me five minutes because I hit a red light .
I want cash.Yes it is nice if they bend over backwards .
In this case if you paid for rush shipping I could see them refunding it .
In the end if you think they did n't do enough then do n't buy from them .
But this give me this or that is just a case of mistaken entitlement.It is nice when they do it but it is not a requirement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are RUSH shipping the customers replacements.
That is good enough to be fair.
Lets put you in the same situation.
You bump into me you say I am sorry.
Well you wrinkled my shirt.
So you should pay for my dry cleaning.You cut me off in traffic and cost me five minutes because I hit a red light.
I want cash.Yes it is nice if they bend over backwards.
In this case if you paid for rush shipping I could see them refunding it.
In the end if you think they didn't do enough then don't buy from them.
But this give me this or that is just a case of mistaken entitlement.It is nice when they do it but it is not a requirement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421338</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>ILuvRamen</author>
	<datestamp>1268140620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't memory chips.  This is high end, new intel processors.  I've never heard of someone faking processors ever.  It just seems completely insane.  I can't wait to find out who made these and where and how they ended up "in the line" to newegg.  It probably wasn't the intel factory and nobody at newegg's supplier would be stupid enough to purposely try and rip them off with something that would so obviously get caught.  That's a great way to destroy your own business!  So that begs the question...how many damn people get these processors on the way from Intel to Newegg?  What a waste of time and money if it's anything but Intel -&gt; distrubutor -&gt; Newegg.  I especially don't want to pay an extra $20 for my processor to have it shipped to 8 different people first, one of which decided it was a good idea to add in or swap out some fakes.  Time to cut out the middleman!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't memory chips .
This is high end , new intel processors .
I 've never heard of someone faking processors ever .
It just seems completely insane .
I ca n't wait to find out who made these and where and how they ended up " in the line " to newegg .
It probably was n't the intel factory and nobody at newegg 's supplier would be stupid enough to purposely try and rip them off with something that would so obviously get caught .
That 's a great way to destroy your own business !
So that begs the question...how many damn people get these processors on the way from Intel to Newegg ?
What a waste of time and money if it 's anything but Intel - &gt; distrubutor - &gt; Newegg .
I especially do n't want to pay an extra $ 20 for my processor to have it shipped to 8 different people first , one of which decided it was a good idea to add in or swap out some fakes .
Time to cut out the middleman !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't memory chips.
This is high end, new intel processors.
I've never heard of someone faking processors ever.
It just seems completely insane.
I can't wait to find out who made these and where and how they ended up "in the line" to newegg.
It probably wasn't the intel factory and nobody at newegg's supplier would be stupid enough to purposely try and rip them off with something that would so obviously get caught.
That's a great way to destroy your own business!
So that begs the question...how many damn people get these processors on the way from Intel to Newegg?
What a waste of time and money if it's anything but Intel -&gt; distrubutor -&gt; Newegg.
I especially don't want to pay an extra $20 for my processor to have it shipped to 8 different people first, one of which decided it was a good idea to add in or swap out some fakes.
Time to cut out the middleman!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421374</id>
	<title>Re:fake fakes?</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1268140800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That will only work if the supplier did not ship fakes mixed in with good parts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That will only work if the supplier did not ship fakes mixed in with good parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That will only work if the supplier did not ship fakes mixed in with good parts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31428984</id>
	<title>Not a first for Newegg.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268249580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't a first for Newegg. They were shipping counterfeit Intel PRO 1000 GT NIC's a few years back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't a first for Newegg .
They were shipping counterfeit Intel PRO 1000 GT NIC 's a few years back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't a first for Newegg.
They were shipping counterfeit Intel PRO 1000 GT NIC's a few years back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420954</id>
	<title>Re:Who is IPEX?</title>
	<author>stupidflanders</author>
	<datestamp>1268137860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always been a fan of IPEX: <a href="http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodpri2/V267700\_RC093.jpg" title="victoriassecret.com" rel="nofollow">http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodpri2/V267700\_RC093.jpg</a> [victoriassecret.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always been a fan of IPEX : http : //www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodpri2/V267700 \ _RC093.jpg [ victoriassecret.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always been a fan of IPEX: http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodpri2/V267700\_RC093.jpg [victoriassecret.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421490</id>
	<title>IPEX Denies Being Original Source</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1268141460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.crn.com/hardware/223300173;jsessionid=B1V040G2ULN1LQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN" title="crn.com">http://www.crn.com/hardware/223300173;jsessionid=B1V040G2ULN1LQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN</a> [crn.com]</p><p>"Ipex has been supplying computer components to the technology industry for over 10 years with the goal of providing quality products and services to our customers. Recently we were referenced in connection with some counterfeit Intel Core i7 920 Microprocessors sold within the US market. While we purchased these products in good faith from a supplier we are very disappointed to learn of the questionable status of these products and are taking appropriate action to resolve the issue for any impacted Ipex client  as well as are fully cooperating with Intel's investigation in to determining the original source."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.crn.com/hardware/223300173 ; jsessionid = B1V040G2ULN1LQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN [ crn.com ] " Ipex has been supplying computer components to the technology industry for over 10 years with the goal of providing quality products and services to our customers .
Recently we were referenced in connection with some counterfeit Intel Core i7 920 Microprocessors sold within the US market .
While we purchased these products in good faith from a supplier we are very disappointed to learn of the questionable status of these products and are taking appropriate action to resolve the issue for any impacted Ipex client as well as are fully cooperating with Intel 's investigation in to determining the original source .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.crn.com/hardware/223300173;jsessionid=B1V040G2ULN1LQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN [crn.com]"Ipex has been supplying computer components to the technology industry for over 10 years with the goal of providing quality products and services to our customers.
Recently we were referenced in connection with some counterfeit Intel Core i7 920 Microprocessors sold within the US market.
While we purchased these products in good faith from a supplier we are very disappointed to learn of the questionable status of these products and are taking appropriate action to resolve the issue for any impacted Ipex client  as well as are fully cooperating with Intel's investigation in to determining the original source.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420314</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>brunascle</author>
	<datestamp>1268134560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not Newegg. That was D&amp;H Distributing, the company that was originally (falsely) accused.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not Newegg .
That was D&amp;H Distributing , the company that was originally ( falsely ) accused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not Newegg.
That was D&amp;H Distributing, the company that was originally (falsely) accused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420026</id>
	<title>Glad Newegg confirmed they're fake!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was a little up in the air there for awhile!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a little up in the air there for awhile !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a little up in the air there for awhile!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422020</id>
	<title>Re:D&amp;H Distributing</title>
	<author>flatrock</author>
	<datestamp>1268145780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still waiting for their appology to Newegg.  They insisted that the original statement about demo processors was some kind of coverup.  Apparently HardOCP shouldn't be held accountable for passing on incorrect information from their sources, but it's just fine for HardOCP to bash the hell out of Newegg for doing the same, and to not even appologize to them for it.<br>The way things stand now, Kyle deserves to get sued for libel.  Either he needs to admit he accused Newegg without good cause, or he needs to accept fault for not doing a better job of verifying that D&amp;H was at fault.  He can't have it both ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still waiting for their appology to Newegg .
They insisted that the original statement about demo processors was some kind of coverup .
Apparently HardOCP should n't be held accountable for passing on incorrect information from their sources , but it 's just fine for HardOCP to bash the hell out of Newegg for doing the same , and to not even appologize to them for it.The way things stand now , Kyle deserves to get sued for libel .
Either he needs to admit he accused Newegg without good cause , or he needs to accept fault for not doing a better job of verifying that D&amp;H was at fault .
He ca n't have it both ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still waiting for their appology to Newegg.
They insisted that the original statement about demo processors was some kind of coverup.
Apparently HardOCP shouldn't be held accountable for passing on incorrect information from their sources, but it's just fine for HardOCP to bash the hell out of Newegg for doing the same, and to not even appologize to them for it.The way things stand now, Kyle deserves to get sued for libel.
Either he needs to admit he accused Newegg without good cause, or he needs to accept fault for not doing a better job of verifying that D&amp;H was at fault.
He can't have it both ways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420394</id>
	<title>Why does NewEgg even need a distributor?</title>
	<author>Man On Pink Corner</author>
	<datestamp>1268134860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't they buy direct from Intel?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't they buy direct from Intel ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't they buy direct from Intel?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420084</id>
	<title>NewEgg handled it well,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Newegg were on top of this pretty early.<br>
They never denied there being a problem although they took a day to figure out what was happening.<br>
They have already apologized, announced they are sending out replacements and announced they are getting a new distributor a couple of days ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Newegg were on top of this pretty early .
They never denied there being a problem although they took a day to figure out what was happening .
They have already apologized , announced they are sending out replacements and announced they are getting a new distributor a couple of days ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newegg were on top of this pretty early.
They never denied there being a problem although they took a day to figure out what was happening.
They have already apologized, announced they are sending out replacements and announced they are getting a new distributor a couple of days ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420524</id>
	<title>Who is IPEX?</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1268135580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?s=d01ac05d09e4f3d3bfb4364cdbc5d2af&amp;p=1035432866&amp;postcount=927" title="hardforum.com">http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?s=d01ac05d09e4f3d3bfb4364cdbc5d2af&amp;p=1035432866&amp;postcount=927</a> [hardforum.com]</p><p>From [H] Forums:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I just want to clear up something Paul keeps bringing up in this thread: Ipex is a division of ASI. Ipex isn't ASI.</p><p>Full disclosure: I worked for ASI for some time back in the 90's (God, I feel old).</p><p>ASI is a legit Intel distributor (one of only a small handful) and is one of Newegg's biggest sources for Intel CPU's. Ipex, on the other hand, is the division that deals in gray market CPU's, RAM, etc.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //hardforum.com/showpost.php ? s = d01ac05d09e4f3d3bfb4364cdbc5d2af&amp;p = 1035432866&amp;postcount = 927 [ hardforum.com ] From [ H ] Forums : I just want to clear up something Paul keeps bringing up in this thread : Ipex is a division of ASI .
Ipex is n't ASI.Full disclosure : I worked for ASI for some time back in the 90 's ( God , I feel old ) .ASI is a legit Intel distributor ( one of only a small handful ) and is one of Newegg 's biggest sources for Intel CPU 's .
Ipex , on the other hand , is the division that deals in gray market CPU 's , RAM , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?s=d01ac05d09e4f3d3bfb4364cdbc5d2af&amp;p=1035432866&amp;postcount=927 [hardforum.com]From [H] Forums:I just want to clear up something Paul keeps bringing up in this thread: Ipex is a division of ASI.
Ipex isn't ASI.Full disclosure: I worked for ASI for some time back in the 90's (God, I feel old).ASI is a legit Intel distributor (one of only a small handful) and is one of Newegg's biggest sources for Intel CPU's.
Ipex, on the other hand, is the division that deals in gray market CPU's, RAM, etc.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420138</id>
	<title>fake fakes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if anyone who got an i7 will try to make a fake fake to get another i7. Some one in Newegg's shipping will have to check the fakes to make sure they are real fakes. My head just exploded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if anyone who got an i7 will try to make a fake fake to get another i7 .
Some one in Newegg 's shipping will have to check the fakes to make sure they are real fakes .
My head just exploded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if anyone who got an i7 will try to make a fake fake to get another i7.
Some one in Newegg's shipping will have to check the fakes to make sure they are real fakes.
My head just exploded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420234</id>
	<title>IPEX is not an authorized Intel distributor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like Newegg was buying i7's through a grey market channel and got burned.  It's good that they ditched IPEX, but why were they buying from them in the first place?  Who knows what channels their other stuff is coming through, and who has gotten to handle the equipment (with an opportunity to install malicious firmware, for example) before Newegg gets it and sells it.  Is there ANY place to buy equipment with assurance of getting it through a 100\% manufacturer authorized supply chain?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like Newegg was buying i7 's through a grey market channel and got burned .
It 's good that they ditched IPEX , but why were they buying from them in the first place ?
Who knows what channels their other stuff is coming through , and who has gotten to handle the equipment ( with an opportunity to install malicious firmware , for example ) before Newegg gets it and sells it .
Is there ANY place to buy equipment with assurance of getting it through a 100 \ % manufacturer authorized supply chain ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like Newegg was buying i7's through a grey market channel and got burned.
It's good that they ditched IPEX, but why were they buying from them in the first place?
Who knows what channels their other stuff is coming through, and who has gotten to handle the equipment (with an opportunity to install malicious firmware, for example) before Newegg gets it and sells it.
Is there ANY place to buy equipment with assurance of getting it through a 100\% manufacturer authorized supply chain?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420174</id>
	<title>What about the legal threats?</title>
	<author>glrotate</author>
	<datestamp>1268134020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is NewEgg going to apologize for the way their attorney's threatened to sue  the journalists reporting this story?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is NewEgg going to apologize for the way their attorney 's threatened to sue the journalists reporting this story ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is NewEgg going to apologize for the way their attorney's threatened to sue  the journalists reporting this story?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31442020</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>vuffi\_raa</author>
	<datestamp>1268338740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A fake processor would most likely not have these cutting edge advantages, resulting in inferior performance compared with the authentic Intel processor.</p></div><p>heh, I would think that the first giveaway was the solid block of plastic with a sticker on it that was supposed to be the fan/heatsink</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A fake processor would most likely not have these cutting edge advantages , resulting in inferior performance compared with the authentic Intel processor.heh , I would think that the first giveaway was the solid block of plastic with a sticker on it that was supposed to be the fan/heatsink</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A fake processor would most likely not have these cutting edge advantages, resulting in inferior performance compared with the authentic Intel processor.heh, I would think that the first giveaway was the solid block of plastic with a sticker on it that was supposed to be the fan/heatsink
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422562</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1268151360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is interesting about this case is that the processors in question were <i>totally</i> fake, just rather crude physical models of processors.<br> <br>

Much more common in tech related gear is <i>partial</i> fakery. The classic flash memory trick is 256MB(or whatever the value) of actual flash(and probably bottom bin stuff, at that) with the formatting or firmware claiming to be 4GB(or whatever the larger value) and doing various things certain to make the customer sad when you write more than 256MB to the device. If you get lucky, you'll get an actual 4GB of bottom-bin crap, with an "OMG LExar high speed!!11!" sticker on it.<br> <br>

With CPUs, basically no counterfeiters have the technical capability to produce plausible fakes from scratch for less than intel or AMD can produce the genuine article. However, there is a long history of selling overclocked and remarked low-end parts as higher end ones. That has become more difficult these days(with multipliers locked on all but the most expensive chips, you really can't overclock without the connivance of the motherboard. Intel's fancy new power-control microcontroller probably makes it even trickier). However, there is a cute way of getting around that: Modifying CPUs is hard and expensive. You need careful technique and serious rework kit. Basically not worth it. Modifying a motherboard's BIOS just a bit, to change the values that it reports for certain processor related parameters and maybe does some silent overclocking, is within the reach of a few decent software/firmware engineers. Thus you do sometimes see for sale(usually aimed at unscrupulous small computer shops, rather than retail users, CPU + motherboard combos consisting of a cheap CPU(bottom of whatever the range is at the moment) and a none-too-exciting motherboard with a BIOS hacked to claim, in all visible ways, that the CPU it is paired with is actually a much faster and more expensive unit.<br> <br>

Frankly, I much prefer complete fakes. They are a nuisance, certainly; but they are immediately obvious on inspection. The dangerous fakes are the ones of commodities where quality and realness are matters of degree, rather than binaries. Real/Visibly just a crude model is easy. 4GB/512MB+firmware lies can easily take some data loss to discover. Real/cheap under-specced capacitors were used, resulting in a higher 3 year failure rate can take ages to diagnose. Real/diluted to 25\% of its actual dose and sold as real can get people killed and encourage drug resistance in various nasty pathogens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is interesting about this case is that the processors in question were totally fake , just rather crude physical models of processors .
Much more common in tech related gear is partial fakery .
The classic flash memory trick is 256MB ( or whatever the value ) of actual flash ( and probably bottom bin stuff , at that ) with the formatting or firmware claiming to be 4GB ( or whatever the larger value ) and doing various things certain to make the customer sad when you write more than 256MB to the device .
If you get lucky , you 'll get an actual 4GB of bottom-bin crap , with an " OMG LExar high speed ! ! 11 !
" sticker on it .
With CPUs , basically no counterfeiters have the technical capability to produce plausible fakes from scratch for less than intel or AMD can produce the genuine article .
However , there is a long history of selling overclocked and remarked low-end parts as higher end ones .
That has become more difficult these days ( with multipliers locked on all but the most expensive chips , you really ca n't overclock without the connivance of the motherboard .
Intel 's fancy new power-control microcontroller probably makes it even trickier ) .
However , there is a cute way of getting around that : Modifying CPUs is hard and expensive .
You need careful technique and serious rework kit .
Basically not worth it .
Modifying a motherboard 's BIOS just a bit , to change the values that it reports for certain processor related parameters and maybe does some silent overclocking , is within the reach of a few decent software/firmware engineers .
Thus you do sometimes see for sale ( usually aimed at unscrupulous small computer shops , rather than retail users , CPU + motherboard combos consisting of a cheap CPU ( bottom of whatever the range is at the moment ) and a none-too-exciting motherboard with a BIOS hacked to claim , in all visible ways , that the CPU it is paired with is actually a much faster and more expensive unit .
Frankly , I much prefer complete fakes .
They are a nuisance , certainly ; but they are immediately obvious on inspection .
The dangerous fakes are the ones of commodities where quality and realness are matters of degree , rather than binaries .
Real/Visibly just a crude model is easy .
4GB/512MB + firmware lies can easily take some data loss to discover .
Real/cheap under-specced capacitors were used , resulting in a higher 3 year failure rate can take ages to diagnose .
Real/diluted to 25 \ % of its actual dose and sold as real can get people killed and encourage drug resistance in various nasty pathogens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is interesting about this case is that the processors in question were totally fake, just rather crude physical models of processors.
Much more common in tech related gear is partial fakery.
The classic flash memory trick is 256MB(or whatever the value) of actual flash(and probably bottom bin stuff, at that) with the formatting or firmware claiming to be 4GB(or whatever the larger value) and doing various things certain to make the customer sad when you write more than 256MB to the device.
If you get lucky, you'll get an actual 4GB of bottom-bin crap, with an "OMG LExar high speed!!11!
" sticker on it.
With CPUs, basically no counterfeiters have the technical capability to produce plausible fakes from scratch for less than intel or AMD can produce the genuine article.
However, there is a long history of selling overclocked and remarked low-end parts as higher end ones.
That has become more difficult these days(with multipliers locked on all but the most expensive chips, you really can't overclock without the connivance of the motherboard.
Intel's fancy new power-control microcontroller probably makes it even trickier).
However, there is a cute way of getting around that: Modifying CPUs is hard and expensive.
You need careful technique and serious rework kit.
Basically not worth it.
Modifying a motherboard's BIOS just a bit, to change the values that it reports for certain processor related parameters and maybe does some silent overclocking, is within the reach of a few decent software/firmware engineers.
Thus you do sometimes see for sale(usually aimed at unscrupulous small computer shops, rather than retail users, CPU + motherboard combos consisting of a cheap CPU(bottom of whatever the range is at the moment) and a none-too-exciting motherboard with a BIOS hacked to claim, in all visible ways, that the CPU it is paired with is actually a much faster and more expensive unit.
Frankly, I much prefer complete fakes.
They are a nuisance, certainly; but they are immediately obvious on inspection.
The dangerous fakes are the ones of commodities where quality and realness are matters of degree, rather than binaries.
Real/Visibly just a crude model is easy.
4GB/512MB+firmware lies can easily take some data loss to discover.
Real/cheap under-specced capacitors were used, resulting in a higher 3 year failure rate can take ages to diagnose.
Real/diluted to 25\% of its actual dose and sold as real can get people killed and encourage drug resistance in various nasty pathogens.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421184</id>
	<title>Little or no responsibility for the quality...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268139480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My experience is that Newegg takes little or no responsibility for the quality of what they sell. They sell everything, and stop selling something only if there are a lot of returns.

<br> <br>Also, my experience has been that Newegg plays games with shipping prices. It has often happened that the same item has had two different shipping prices. One shipping price will include a huge amount of profit for Newegg. The last time this happened, it was cheaper to make two orders of an item than to make one order for two.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience is that Newegg takes little or no responsibility for the quality of what they sell .
They sell everything , and stop selling something only if there are a lot of returns .
Also , my experience has been that Newegg plays games with shipping prices .
It has often happened that the same item has had two different shipping prices .
One shipping price will include a huge amount of profit for Newegg .
The last time this happened , it was cheaper to make two orders of an item than to make one order for two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience is that Newegg takes little or no responsibility for the quality of what they sell.
They sell everything, and stop selling something only if there are a lot of returns.
Also, my experience has been that Newegg plays games with shipping prices.
It has often happened that the same item has had two different shipping prices.
One shipping price will include a huge amount of profit for Newegg.
The last time this happened, it was cheaper to make two orders of an item than to make one order for two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420952</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>Falconhell</author>
	<datestamp>1268137800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont know if they are related, but a company called IPEX went broke a year or so ago in Australia. They were a major supplier to Govt and Education-most inconvenient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont know if they are related , but a company called IPEX went broke a year or so ago in Australia .
They were a major supplier to Govt and Education-most inconvenient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont know if they are related, but a company called IPEX went broke a year or so ago in Australia.
They were a major supplier to Govt and Education-most inconvenient.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31423292</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>batkiwi</author>
	<datestamp>1268159040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one at HardOCP is a journalist, so that's not 100\% true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one at HardOCP is a journalist , so that 's not 100 \ % true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one at HardOCP is a journalist, so that's not 100\% true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31431176</id>
	<title>Re:Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>irieken</author>
	<datestamp>1268216640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I think of "functional counterfeit" CPUs, I think of lower performance parts being marked as higher performance parts. This popped into my mind, because I purchased a few Core2 Duo E8500 CPUs last year, that refused to automatically show up as E8500s... Instead, they showed up as a lower end processor (E8200, I think), despite external markings, but showed up as E8500 when I manually set the multiplier and clock in the BIOS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I think of " functional counterfeit " CPUs , I think of lower performance parts being marked as higher performance parts .
This popped into my mind , because I purchased a few Core2 Duo E8500 CPUs last year , that refused to automatically show up as E8500s... Instead , they showed up as a lower end processor ( E8200 , I think ) , despite external markings , but showed up as E8500 when I manually set the multiplier and clock in the BIOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I think of "functional counterfeit" CPUs, I think of lower performance parts being marked as higher performance parts.
This popped into my mind, because I purchased a few Core2 Duo E8500 CPUs last year, that refused to automatically show up as E8500s... Instead, they showed up as a lower end processor (E8200, I think), despite external markings, but showed up as E8500 when I manually set the multiplier and clock in the BIOS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421278</id>
	<title>Re:Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268140200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that such obviously counterfeit parts made through Newegg's supply chain is a little bit unnerving...

I know that Newegg said that these were "Demo Boxes"... but from the video that I had seen, these boxes included badly made tamper-evidence stickers and holograms. This leads me to wonder if "functional counterfeits" of Intel/AMD processors have been sold by Newegg.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that such obviously counterfeit parts made through Newegg 's supply chain is a little bit unnerving.. . I know that Newegg said that these were " Demo Boxes " ... but from the video that I had seen , these boxes included badly made tamper-evidence stickers and holograms .
This leads me to wonder if " functional counterfeits " of Intel/AMD processors have been sold by Newegg .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that such obviously counterfeit parts made through Newegg's supply chain is a little bit unnerving...

I know that Newegg said that these were "Demo Boxes"... but from the video that I had seen, these boxes included badly made tamper-evidence stickers and holograms.
This leads me to wonder if "functional counterfeits" of Intel/AMD processors have been sold by Newegg.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420392</id>
	<title>Re:What about the legal threats?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They didn't.  D&amp;H did:  http://www.techeye.net/business/company-threatens-journalists-over-fake-intel-cpu-reports</p><p>No need for NewEgg to apologize for something they didn't do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did n't .
D&amp;H did : http : //www.techeye.net/business/company-threatens-journalists-over-fake-intel-cpu-reportsNo need for NewEgg to apologize for something they did n't do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They didn't.
D&amp;H did:  http://www.techeye.net/business/company-threatens-journalists-over-fake-intel-cpu-reportsNo need for NewEgg to apologize for something they didn't do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421024</id>
	<title>Re:D&amp;H Distributing</title>
	<author>Klinky</author>
	<datestamp>1268138340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not a fan of HardOCP, once they were posting eBay auctions on their front page from one of their sponsors as being a "Hot Deal", specifically advertising the starting bid price as though it were the actual price of the product being sold. Misleading big time, this was cross posted into their Hot Deals forum as well. I posted a message on their forum asking when did eBay auctions suddenly get allowed into the Hot Deals forum(the rule previously was that eBay auctions were not allowed at all). I got banned for "thread crapping in a sponsors thread". Glad they value their sponsors misleading advertisements over their readers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a fan of HardOCP , once they were posting eBay auctions on their front page from one of their sponsors as being a " Hot Deal " , specifically advertising the starting bid price as though it were the actual price of the product being sold .
Misleading big time , this was cross posted into their Hot Deals forum as well .
I posted a message on their forum asking when did eBay auctions suddenly get allowed into the Hot Deals forum ( the rule previously was that eBay auctions were not allowed at all ) .
I got banned for " thread crapping in a sponsors thread " .
Glad they value their sponsors misleading advertisements over their readers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a fan of HardOCP, once they were posting eBay auctions on their front page from one of their sponsors as being a "Hot Deal", specifically advertising the starting bid price as though it were the actual price of the product being sold.
Misleading big time, this was cross posted into their Hot Deals forum as well.
I posted a message on their forum asking when did eBay auctions suddenly get allowed into the Hot Deals forum(the rule previously was that eBay auctions were not allowed at all).
I got banned for "thread crapping in a sponsors thread".
Glad they value their sponsors misleading advertisements over their readers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31430144</id>
	<title>newegg was bad in this whole thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268211720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because newegg was so quick to dismiss the issue with the purchaser of the fake proc, and was so quick to not take responsibility for the situation (at first and for much too long), I am not happy with newegg. It's like they're only just now admitting guilt because their on the PR hotseat and otherwise would have just turned their back on the customer and pretend it never happened. This is a very poor business practice and because of their treatment of this situation and of the poor guy who went through the situation with them, I'm sanctioning newegg for all purchases, personal and business related, for two years. They need to realize that the way they treat their customers does have repercussions. The company I work for, for which I'm the primary person in charge of all IT purchases, will no longer do any more business with newegg for two years (and we did a lot of business with them) because of their quick judgment of the customers who tried to tell newegg that this was a real situation and for which newegg at first basically told them that they are lying. Customers must be given the benefit of the doubt, at least at first, and shipped a another copy of the product in question (either cross ship or return ship after receit of the bad/counterfeit product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because newegg was so quick to dismiss the issue with the purchaser of the fake proc , and was so quick to not take responsibility for the situation ( at first and for much too long ) , I am not happy with newegg .
It 's like they 're only just now admitting guilt because their on the PR hotseat and otherwise would have just turned their back on the customer and pretend it never happened .
This is a very poor business practice and because of their treatment of this situation and of the poor guy who went through the situation with them , I 'm sanctioning newegg for all purchases , personal and business related , for two years .
They need to realize that the way they treat their customers does have repercussions .
The company I work for , for which I 'm the primary person in charge of all IT purchases , will no longer do any more business with newegg for two years ( and we did a lot of business with them ) because of their quick judgment of the customers who tried to tell newegg that this was a real situation and for which newegg at first basically told them that they are lying .
Customers must be given the benefit of the doubt , at least at first , and shipped a another copy of the product in question ( either cross ship or return ship after receit of the bad/counterfeit product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because newegg was so quick to dismiss the issue with the purchaser of the fake proc, and was so quick to not take responsibility for the situation (at first and for much too long), I am not happy with newegg.
It's like they're only just now admitting guilt because their on the PR hotseat and otherwise would have just turned their back on the customer and pretend it never happened.
This is a very poor business practice and because of their treatment of this situation and of the poor guy who went through the situation with them, I'm sanctioning newegg for all purchases, personal and business related, for two years.
They need to realize that the way they treat their customers does have repercussions.
The company I work for, for which I'm the primary person in charge of all IT purchases, will no longer do any more business with newegg for two years (and we did a lot of business with them) because of their quick judgment of the customers who tried to tell newegg that this was a real situation and for which newegg at first basically told them that they are lying.
Customers must be given the benefit of the doubt, at least at first, and shipped a another copy of the product in question (either cross ship or return ship after receit of the bad/counterfeit product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420082</id>
	<title>Lost customer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>After originally rejecting the story</p></div><p>And there's the problem.<br>All they needed to do when the story broke was say "We are looking into it".</p><p>By rejecting it while it was obviously true, I've lost faith in them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After originally rejecting the storyAnd there 's the problem.All they needed to do when the story broke was say " We are looking into it " .By rejecting it while it was obviously true , I 've lost faith in them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After originally rejecting the storyAnd there's the problem.All they needed to do when the story broke was say "We are looking into it".By rejecting it while it was obviously true, I've lost faith in them.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420014</id>
	<title>Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>colin\_faber</author>
	<datestamp>1268133240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Want to find even more? Try buying some flash on ebay sometime.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Want to find even more ?
Try buying some flash on ebay sometime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Want to find even more?
Try buying some flash on ebay sometime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421000</id>
	<title>Re:New Egg</title>
	<author>RoFLKOPTr</author>
	<datestamp>1268138220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've given a couple thousand dollars of my hard-earned cash to Newegg over the years, and I haven't been anything but satisfied. They have a fantastic RMA policy, and a very helpful customer support team, and when you order before noon, items will normally ship the same day (and are guaranteed to ship same-day if you give them an extra $4). I'm sure that they will take good care of every single customer that received a fake product from them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've given a couple thousand dollars of my hard-earned cash to Newegg over the years , and I have n't been anything but satisfied .
They have a fantastic RMA policy , and a very helpful customer support team , and when you order before noon , items will normally ship the same day ( and are guaranteed to ship same-day if you give them an extra $ 4 ) .
I 'm sure that they will take good care of every single customer that received a fake product from them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've given a couple thousand dollars of my hard-earned cash to Newegg over the years, and I haven't been anything but satisfied.
They have a fantastic RMA policy, and a very helpful customer support team, and when you order before noon, items will normally ship the same day (and are guaranteed to ship same-day if you give them an extra $4).
I'm sure that they will take good care of every single customer that received a fake product from them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31424824</id>
	<title>Re:IPEX Denies Being Original Source</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1268227140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IPEX needs to name their source for those "demo units". That, and fire the guy who made the claim to NewEgg that they were "demo units". They need to cut off their relationship with that source.</p><p>And WTF is this distribution chain so long? Can't IPEX buy directly from Intel?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IPEX needs to name their source for those " demo units " .
That , and fire the guy who made the claim to NewEgg that they were " demo units " .
They need to cut off their relationship with that source.And WTF is this distribution chain so long ?
Ca n't IPEX buy directly from Intel ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IPEX needs to name their source for those "demo units".
That, and fire the guy who made the claim to NewEgg that they were "demo units".
They need to cut off their relationship with that source.And WTF is this distribution chain so long?
Can't IPEX buy directly from Intel?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31429536</id>
	<title>So you could say NewEgg...</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1268252220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...has egg on their face?  Seriously, I really like NewEgg. Doesn't seem to be their fault.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...has egg on their face ?
Seriously , I really like NewEgg .
Does n't seem to be their fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...has egg on their face?
Seriously, I really like NewEgg.
Doesn't seem to be their fault.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420194</id>
	<title>D&amp;H Distributing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>HardOCP was apparently the original source of the allegation that D&amp;H Distributing was the source of the counterfeit CPUs.  They have since apologized to D&amp;H, claiming that their source of information was someone inside NewEgg.<p>

<a href="http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/08/counterfeit\_intel\_cpu\_saga\_comes\_to\_close" title="hardocp.com">Counterfeit Intel CPU Saga Comes to a Close</a> [hardocp.com] </p><p>

<i>At no time did HardOCP speculate as to what company was supplying the counterfeit processors to Newegg. Our source that informed us of the supplier being D&amp;H Distributing came from within Newegg's organization. We belived the information to be accurate and reported it to our readers. Newegg is stating that IPEX shipped it the counterfeit processors. I am not sure as to why we would get conflicting information, and we will further investigate that.</i> </p><p>

<i>At this time we offer our apologies to D&amp;H Distributing for naming it as the supplying distributor. HardOCP was simply reporting the information that we believed to be accurate. We would NEVER "speculate" on something of this nature, as there is NOTHING for us to gain by misinforming our readers. We will be investigating further as to why we were misinformed on this detail.</i> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HardOCP was apparently the original source of the allegation that D&amp;H Distributing was the source of the counterfeit CPUs .
They have since apologized to D&amp;H , claiming that their source of information was someone inside NewEgg .
Counterfeit Intel CPU Saga Comes to a Close [ hardocp.com ] At no time did HardOCP speculate as to what company was supplying the counterfeit processors to Newegg .
Our source that informed us of the supplier being D&amp;H Distributing came from within Newegg 's organization .
We belived the information to be accurate and reported it to our readers .
Newegg is stating that IPEX shipped it the counterfeit processors .
I am not sure as to why we would get conflicting information , and we will further investigate that .
At this time we offer our apologies to D&amp;H Distributing for naming it as the supplying distributor .
HardOCP was simply reporting the information that we believed to be accurate .
We would NEVER " speculate " on something of this nature , as there is NOTHING for us to gain by misinforming our readers .
We will be investigating further as to why we were misinformed on this detail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HardOCP was apparently the original source of the allegation that D&amp;H Distributing was the source of the counterfeit CPUs.
They have since apologized to D&amp;H, claiming that their source of information was someone inside NewEgg.
Counterfeit Intel CPU Saga Comes to a Close [hardocp.com] 

At no time did HardOCP speculate as to what company was supplying the counterfeit processors to Newegg.
Our source that informed us of the supplier being D&amp;H Distributing came from within Newegg's organization.
We belived the information to be accurate and reported it to our readers.
Newegg is stating that IPEX shipped it the counterfeit processors.
I am not sure as to why we would get conflicting information, and we will further investigate that.
At this time we offer our apologies to D&amp;H Distributing for naming it as the supplying distributor.
HardOCP was simply reporting the information that we believed to be accurate.
We would NEVER "speculate" on something of this nature, as there is NOTHING for us to gain by misinforming our readers.
We will be investigating further as to why we were misinformed on this detail. </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420484</id>
	<title>Re:Ipex website returning blank pages</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1268135340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071020045918/http://www.ipexinfo.com/" title="archive.org">http://web.archive.org/web/20071020045918/http://www.ipexinfo.com/</a> [archive.org]</p><p>Oct 20, 2007 wayback cache</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //web.archive.org/web/20071020045918/http : //www.ipexinfo.com/ [ archive.org ] Oct 20 , 2007 wayback cache</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://web.archive.org/web/20071020045918/http://www.ipexinfo.com/ [archive.org]Oct 20, 2007 wayback cache</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421218</id>
	<title>Re:Who is IPEX?</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1268139720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does a "legit Intel distributor" have a division that deals in gray market chips?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does a " legit Intel distributor " have a division that deals in gray market chips ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does a "legit Intel distributor" have a division that deals in gray market chips?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420406</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>bem</author>
	<datestamp>1268134920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your link says that D&amp;H, not Newegg threatened legal action.</p><p>Considering that D&amp;H did not sell the fakes to Newegg, well, they are justifiably upset that people are wrongfully blaming them.</p><p>IANAL, so I don't know if they have an actionable complaint, but your link doesn't show a Newegg legal threat, and, again, D&amp;H is understandably pissed off that they were blamed when they had nothing to do with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your link says that D&amp;H , not Newegg threatened legal action.Considering that D&amp;H did not sell the fakes to Newegg , well , they are justifiably upset that people are wrongfully blaming them.IANAL , so I do n't know if they have an actionable complaint , but your link does n't show a Newegg legal threat , and , again , D&amp;H is understandably pissed off that they were blamed when they had nothing to do with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your link says that D&amp;H, not Newegg threatened legal action.Considering that D&amp;H did not sell the fakes to Newegg, well, they are justifiably upset that people are wrongfully blaming them.IANAL, so I don't know if they have an actionable complaint, but your link doesn't show a Newegg legal threat, and, again, D&amp;H is understandably pissed off that they were blamed when they had nothing to do with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420228</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31428016</id>
	<title>Re:Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>Coren22</author>
	<datestamp>1268244900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.<br>type             16 bytes     64 bytes    256 bytes   1024 bytes   8192 bytes<br>aes-256-cbc     101509.41k   110031.31k   113013.47k   113753.64k   113895.68k</p><p>Mac pro, 2 X quad core Xeon, under normal load, not idle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'numbers ' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytesaes-256-cbc 101509.41k 110031.31k 113013.47k 113753.64k 113895.68kMac pro , 2 X quad core Xeon , under normal load , not idle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.type             16 bytes     64 bytes    256 bytes   1024 bytes   8192 bytesaes-256-cbc     101509.41k   110031.31k   113013.47k   113753.64k   113895.68kMac pro, 2 X quad core Xeon, under normal load, not idle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31424740</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31428206</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>Rabbanah</author>
	<datestamp>1268245920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Half the human race is middlemen, they don't take kindly to being cut out..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Half the human race is middlemen , they do n't take kindly to being cut out. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Half the human race is middlemen, they don't take kindly to being cut out..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420904</id>
	<title>Re:NewEgg handled it well,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You Sir, are now a public relations case study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You Sir , are now a public relations case study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You Sir, are now a public relations case study.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31432578</id>
	<title>Re:Glad</title>
	<author>Shabazz Rabbinowitz</author>
	<datestamp>1268224140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wouldn't complain too obnoxiously, or they might pee in your processor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't complain too obnoxiously , or they might pee in your processor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't complain too obnoxiously, or they might pee in your processor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420090</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422872</id>
	<title>Re:Little or no responsibility for the quality...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268154240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I order from Newegg a lot and have never had a problem with them. You might have gotten two separate shipping bills because they sometimes have to ship items from two completely separate warehouses. As far as I know, they notify you in the checkout process if this is the case and you have to option to wait and have everything shipped at once or to receive some items sooner from a closer warehouse and wait for the rest in a second shipment.</p><p>In all my years buying from them, never once have I felt they were trying to rip me off. Everything is up front and clear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I order from Newegg a lot and have never had a problem with them .
You might have gotten two separate shipping bills because they sometimes have to ship items from two completely separate warehouses .
As far as I know , they notify you in the checkout process if this is the case and you have to option to wait and have everything shipped at once or to receive some items sooner from a closer warehouse and wait for the rest in a second shipment.In all my years buying from them , never once have I felt they were trying to rip me off .
Everything is up front and clear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I order from Newegg a lot and have never had a problem with them.
You might have gotten two separate shipping bills because they sometimes have to ship items from two completely separate warehouses.
As far as I know, they notify you in the checkout process if this is the case and you have to option to wait and have everything shipped at once or to receive some items sooner from a closer warehouse and wait for the rest in a second shipment.In all my years buying from them, never once have I felt they were trying to rip me off.
Everything is up front and clear.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421184</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420068</id>
	<title>Even weirder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even weirder, investigators who arrived at the IPEX distributer address found no actual office, only a dirty water hotdog cart under a bus stop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even weirder , investigators who arrived at the IPEX distributer address found no actual office , only a dirty water hotdog cart under a bus stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even weirder, investigators who arrived at the IPEX distributer address found no actual office, only a dirty water hotdog cart under a bus stop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420940</id>
	<title>Re:D&amp;H Distributing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Established news organizations usually confirm insider information with documentation or alternate sources prior to publication. Insider information is often misleading as the sources typically have personal or political motives for releasing the items. No doubt HardOCP did believe what they were told. Perhaps they will be more skeptical in the future. Note that what is important here is not what HardOCP believes but what is the truth.<br>Internet news site editors have the arrogance and foolishness of youth. Hopefully they will improve their reporting accuracy  with experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Established news organizations usually confirm insider information with documentation or alternate sources prior to publication .
Insider information is often misleading as the sources typically have personal or political motives for releasing the items .
No doubt HardOCP did believe what they were told .
Perhaps they will be more skeptical in the future .
Note that what is important here is not what HardOCP believes but what is the truth.Internet news site editors have the arrogance and foolishness of youth .
Hopefully they will improve their reporting accuracy with experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Established news organizations usually confirm insider information with documentation or alternate sources prior to publication.
Insider information is often misleading as the sources typically have personal or political motives for releasing the items.
No doubt HardOCP did believe what they were told.
Perhaps they will be more skeptical in the future.
Note that what is important here is not what HardOCP believes but what is the truth.Internet news site editors have the arrogance and foolishness of youth.
Hopefully they will improve their reporting accuracy  with experience.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420194</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420418</id>
	<title>Re:What about the legal threats?</title>
	<author>bem</author>
	<datestamp>1268135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Citation for this?</p><p>I've only seen D&amp;H with legal threats (and since they didn't ship the fakes in question, it's very understandable that they are upset with the "fact checking" that wasn't done).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Citation for this ? I 've only seen D&amp;H with legal threats ( and since they did n't ship the fakes in question , it 's very understandable that they are upset with the " fact checking " that was n't done ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Citation for this?I've only seen D&amp;H with legal threats (and since they didn't ship the fakes in question, it's very understandable that they are upset with the "fact checking" that wasn't done).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420174</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420352</id>
	<title>Re:BS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RTFA.  The company that sent the cease and desist letters is D&amp;H Distributing, which had nothing to do with this case.  It's reasonable for them to have sicked their lawyers on journalists making baseless accusations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA .
The company that sent the cease and desist letters is D&amp;H Distributing , which had nothing to do with this case .
It 's reasonable for them to have sicked their lawyers on journalists making baseless accusations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA.
The company that sent the cease and desist letters is D&amp;H Distributing, which had nothing to do with this case.
It's reasonable for them to have sicked their lawyers on journalists making baseless accusations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420228</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420148</id>
	<title>No, they didn't.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newegg should have known these units were fake, and the fact that end users ended up with "demo" units is inexcusable.  I hope newegg burns for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newegg should have known these units were fake , and the fact that end users ended up with " demo " units is inexcusable .
I hope newegg burns for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newegg should have known these units were fake, and the fact that end users ended up with "demo" units is inexcusable.
I hope newegg burns for this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420084</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420070</id>
	<title>Re:Glad Newegg confirmed they're fake!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They were leaning on that "oh, our bad, we got some 'demo units' by mistake" excuse pretty hard.</p><p>Demos? C'mon, demos are supposed to work, not be a blob of aluminum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were leaning on that " oh , our bad , we got some 'demo units ' by mistake " excuse pretty hard.Demos ?
C'mon , demos are supposed to work , not be a blob of aluminum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were leaning on that "oh, our bad, we got some 'demo units' by mistake" excuse pretty hard.Demos?
C'mon, demos are supposed to work, not be a blob of aluminum.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420026</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31424740</id>
	<title>Re:Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>FuckingNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1268225940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, name me your Intel/AMD CPU and post your output for openssl speed -evp aes-256-cbc, a critical benchmark if you're using AES full disk encryption (is anyone not?).</p><p>For comparison, my Via C7:</p><p><tt>The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.<br>type             16 bytes     64 bytes    256 bytes   1024 bytes   8192 bytes<br>aes-256-cbc      74460.94k   232735.57k   492246.70k   689808.04k   780957.01k</tt></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , name me your Intel/AMD CPU and post your output for openssl speed -evp aes-256-cbc , a critical benchmark if you 're using AES full disk encryption ( is anyone not ?
) .For comparison , my Via C7 : The 'numbers ' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytesaes-256-cbc 74460.94k 232735.57k 492246.70k 689808.04k 780957.01k</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, name me your Intel/AMD CPU and post your output for openssl speed -evp aes-256-cbc, a critical benchmark if you're using AES full disk encryption (is anyone not?
).For comparison, my Via C7:The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.type             16 bytes     64 bytes    256 bytes   1024 bytes   8192 bytesaes-256-cbc      74460.94k   232735.57k   492246.70k   689808.04k   780957.01k</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422674</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31423592</id>
	<title>Re:fake fakes?</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1268251800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My head just exploded.</p></div></blockquote><p>Aren't fake fakes real? Because if they weren't real, they'd be fakes, that is real fakes, and thus they wouldn't be a fake fake; they'd really be a real fake.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My head just exploded.Are n't fake fakes real ?
Because if they were n't real , they 'd be fakes , that is real fakes , and thus they would n't be a fake fake ; they 'd really be a real fake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My head just exploded.Aren't fake fakes real?
Because if they weren't real, they'd be fakes, that is real fakes, and thus they wouldn't be a fake fake; they'd really be a real fake.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420138</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420972</id>
	<title>Re:New Egg</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Prevention is not at issue here, other than you would expect them to use a reliable supply chain.</p><p>The issue is having their lawyers send cease and desist orders to those revealing the story without even bothering to check it out first.</p><p><a href="http://hothardware.com/News/Newegg-Ships-Fake-Intel-Chips-Supplier-Threatens-Journalists-For-Reporting-It/" title="hothardware.com" rel="nofollow">http://hothardware.com/News/Newegg-Ships-Fake-Intel-Chips-Supplier-Threatens-Journalists-For-Reporting-It/</a> [hothardware.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Prevention is not at issue here , other than you would expect them to use a reliable supply chain.The issue is having their lawyers send cease and desist orders to those revealing the story without even bothering to check it out first.http : //hothardware.com/News/Newegg-Ships-Fake-Intel-Chips-Supplier-Threatens-Journalists-For-Reporting-It/ [ hothardware.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prevention is not at issue here, other than you would expect them to use a reliable supply chain.The issue is having their lawyers send cease and desist orders to those revealing the story without even bothering to check it out first.http://hothardware.com/News/Newegg-Ships-Fake-Intel-Chips-Supplier-Threatens-Journalists-For-Reporting-It/ [hothardware.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420224</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31427552</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>rhook</author>
	<datestamp>1268242740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've never heard of someone faking processors ever.  It just seems completely insane.</p></div><p>Its actually been a common scam since at least the days of the 486. What would happen is a processor will have its markings scrubbed and then get labeled as a faster processor. This doesn't just happen with CPU's either.

<a href="http://www.cpushack.com/2010/01/14/counterfeit-ics-a-growing-problem/" title="cpushack.com">http://www.cpushack.com/2010/01/14/counterfeit-ics-a-growing-problem/</a> [cpushack.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never heard of someone faking processors ever .
It just seems completely insane.Its actually been a common scam since at least the days of the 486 .
What would happen is a processor will have its markings scrubbed and then get labeled as a faster processor .
This does n't just happen with CPU 's either .
http : //www.cpushack.com/2010/01/14/counterfeit-ics-a-growing-problem/ [ cpushack.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never heard of someone faking processors ever.
It just seems completely insane.Its actually been a common scam since at least the days of the 486.
What would happen is a processor will have its markings scrubbed and then get labeled as a faster processor.
This doesn't just happen with CPU's either.
http://www.cpushack.com/2010/01/14/counterfeit-ics-a-growing-problem/ [cpushack.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420482</id>
	<title>New 'bad analogy guy'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268135280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You bought at NewEgg for price. You want to continue buying at NewEgg for price. To continue that relationship with customers they're going to replace the bum parts, and they are not going to send you a visit from the magical blowjob pony. The economics of computer retail are <i>nothing at all</i> like restaurants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You bought at NewEgg for price .
You want to continue buying at NewEgg for price .
To continue that relationship with customers they 're going to replace the bum parts , and they are not going to send you a visit from the magical blowjob pony .
The economics of computer retail are nothing at all like restaurants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You bought at NewEgg for price.
You want to continue buying at NewEgg for price.
To continue that relationship with customers they're going to replace the bum parts, and they are not going to send you a visit from the magical blowjob pony.
The economics of computer retail are nothing at all like restaurants.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420090</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31423452</id>
	<title>Re:Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>eelke\_klein</author>
	<datestamp>1268162160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you read the article (no i'm not new here) you would know that the claim of demo boxes was made by neweggs supplier and that newegg rejected that story. Ofcourse the summary here on slashdot changed that into newegg rejecting the story of fake cpu's all together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read the article ( no i 'm not new here ) you would know that the claim of demo boxes was made by neweggs supplier and that newegg rejected that story .
Ofcourse the summary here on slashdot changed that into newegg rejecting the story of fake cpu 's all together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read the article (no i'm not new here) you would know that the claim of demo boxes was made by neweggs supplier and that newegg rejected that story.
Ofcourse the summary here on slashdot changed that into newegg rejecting the story of fake cpu's all together.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420278</id>
	<title>Re:fake fakes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newegg has to track outgoing inventory to prevent internal theft, so it is a good bet they probably associated an inventory item with an outgoing order.  So, if they know which order the customer is returning, they can probably trace it back to the original supplier in some manner.  If they have a good tracking system, they could probably bring up that detail immediately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newegg has to track outgoing inventory to prevent internal theft , so it is a good bet they probably associated an inventory item with an outgoing order .
So , if they know which order the customer is returning , they can probably trace it back to the original supplier in some manner .
If they have a good tracking system , they could probably bring up that detail immediately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newegg has to track outgoing inventory to prevent internal theft, so it is a good bet they probably associated an inventory item with an outgoing order.
So, if they know which order the customer is returning, they can probably trace it back to the original supplier in some manner.
If they have a good tracking system, they could probably bring up that detail immediately.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420138</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420472</id>
	<title>Re:IPEX is not an authorized Intel distributor</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1268135220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there ANY place to buy equipment with assurance of getting it through a 100\% manufacturer authorized supply chain?</p></div><p>If there's humans making less money for their work than they think they should, then there will be no place with 100\% authorized (secure) supply chain.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there ANY place to buy equipment with assurance of getting it through a 100 \ % manufacturer authorized supply chain ? If there 's humans making less money for their work than they think they should , then there will be no place with 100 \ % authorized ( secure ) supply chain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there ANY place to buy equipment with assurance of getting it through a 100\% manufacturer authorized supply chain?If there's humans making less money for their work than they think they should, then there will be no place with 100\% authorized (secure) supply chain.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420716</id>
	<title>Re:Why does NewEgg even need a distributor?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268136480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is how the market works.  They do not want to peddle small amounts to individual online stores.  They are not in the distribution business.  They want to sell huge lots to OEMs and distributors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is how the market works .
They do not want to peddle small amounts to individual online stores .
They are not in the distribution business .
They want to sell huge lots to OEMs and distributors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is how the market works.
They do not want to peddle small amounts to individual online stores.
They are not in the distribution business.
They want to sell huge lots to OEMs and distributors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420394</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422774</id>
	<title>some info about ipex</title>
	<author>bogolisk</author>
	<datestamp>1268153280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://ipex-infotech-inc.tradenote.net/" title="tradenote.net" rel="nofollow">http://ipex-infotech-inc.tradenote.net/</a> [tradenote.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //ipex-infotech-inc.tradenote.net/ [ tradenote.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://ipex-infotech-inc.tradenote.net/ [tradenote.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420226</id>
	<title>Re:NewEgg handled it well,</title>
	<author>Conspiracy\_Of\_Doves</author>
	<datestamp>1268134140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't order parts online that often, but because of this, Newegg is getting put right to the top of the list of places I look at first when I do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't order parts online that often , but because of this , Newegg is getting put right to the top of the list of places I look at first when I do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't order parts online that often, but because of this, Newegg is getting put right to the top of the list of places I look at first when I do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420084</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421388</id>
	<title>Re:fake fakes?</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1268140920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Newegg has to track outgoing inventory to prevent internal theft,</p></div></blockquote><p>How do you propose that they do that when some items are blind shipped from their suppliers? What you are suggesting will probably work for CPUs (they probably buy in bulk so they can beat even many distributors' pricing) but what about items they contract their suppliers to drop ship? Also, keep in mind that this will increase costs, and Newegg will have to either raise prices, cut back customer service, or both. Or, they could do what they continued to do and give customers the benefit of the doubt while they quickly investigate.</p><p>About D&amp;H's actions</p><p>Now, D&amp;H is in the right to protect their information. The only problem I see is their C&amp;D letter goes too far; they demand that any and all references to them be removed from the sites.  That's going further than they need to. They may "feel" like they are justified in doing so, but they are not really.   They are justified in demanding that the false accusations be removed, but that's about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Newegg has to track outgoing inventory to prevent internal theft,How do you propose that they do that when some items are blind shipped from their suppliers ?
What you are suggesting will probably work for CPUs ( they probably buy in bulk so they can beat even many distributors ' pricing ) but what about items they contract their suppliers to drop ship ?
Also , keep in mind that this will increase costs , and Newegg will have to either raise prices , cut back customer service , or both .
Or , they could do what they continued to do and give customers the benefit of the doubt while they quickly investigate.About D&amp;H 's actionsNow , D&amp;H is in the right to protect their information .
The only problem I see is their C&amp;D letter goes too far ; they demand that any and all references to them be removed from the sites .
That 's going further than they need to .
They may " feel " like they are justified in doing so , but they are not really .
They are justified in demanding that the false accusations be removed , but that 's about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newegg has to track outgoing inventory to prevent internal theft,How do you propose that they do that when some items are blind shipped from their suppliers?
What you are suggesting will probably work for CPUs (they probably buy in bulk so they can beat even many distributors' pricing) but what about items they contract their suppliers to drop ship?
Also, keep in mind that this will increase costs, and Newegg will have to either raise prices, cut back customer service, or both.
Or, they could do what they continued to do and give customers the benefit of the doubt while they quickly investigate.About D&amp;H's actionsNow, D&amp;H is in the right to protect their information.
The only problem I see is their C&amp;D letter goes too far; they demand that any and all references to them be removed from the sites.
That's going further than they need to.
They may "feel" like they are justified in doing so, but they are not really.
They are justified in demanding that the false accusations be removed, but that's about it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420058</id>
	<title>Rejecting??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When did they reject the story??</p><p>They never denied shipping fake units... the only difference between their story then and now is WHY the fake units existed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When did they reject the story ?
? They never denied shipping fake units... the only difference between their story then and now is WHY the fake units existed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did they reject the story?
?They never denied shipping fake units... the only difference between their story then and now is WHY the fake units existed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420020</id>
	<title>Caveat Emptor</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1268133240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"But... if you can't trust the Government, who <i>can</i> you trust?"<p> - Yahoo Serious, <i>Young Einstein</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" But... if you ca n't trust the Government , who can you trust ?
" - Yahoo Serious , Young Einstein</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But... if you can't trust the Government, who can you trust?
" - Yahoo Serious, Young Einstein</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421206</id>
	<title>Re:Glad Newegg confirmed they're fake!</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1268139660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They were leaning on that "oh, our bad, we got some 'demo units' by mistake" excuse pretty hard.</i><br>My guess is they were just passing on what thier supplier had told them until they could prove otherwise.</p><p>It's kind of a difficult position to be in. Newegg probablly didn't want to lie but they probablly didn't want to be publically seen as doubting thier suppliers either until they could prove that the supplier was indeed shipping fakes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were leaning on that " oh , our bad , we got some 'demo units ' by mistake " excuse pretty hard.My guess is they were just passing on what thier supplier had told them until they could prove otherwise.It 's kind of a difficult position to be in .
Newegg probablly did n't want to lie but they probablly did n't want to be publically seen as doubting thier suppliers either until they could prove that the supplier was indeed shipping fakes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were leaning on that "oh, our bad, we got some 'demo units' by mistake" excuse pretty hard.My guess is they were just passing on what thier supplier had told them until they could prove otherwise.It's kind of a difficult position to be in.
Newegg probablly didn't want to lie but they probablly didn't want to be publically seen as doubting thier suppliers either until they could prove that the supplier was indeed shipping fakes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31424718</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>Ecuador</author>
	<datestamp>1268225460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, man... you will love this article: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100308/tc\_pcworld/fourreasonstobewarefakeintelcpus" title="yahoo.com">http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100308/tc\_pcworld/fourreasonstobewarefakeintelcpus</a> [yahoo.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Authentic Intel Core i7 processors contain a number of innovative technologies to improve performance. Core i7 chips have an integrated triple-channel memory controller. They also replace the archaic front-side bus architecture with Intel's new QuickPath Interconnect system, and use hyperthreading to turn the Core i7's four physical processor cores into eight virtual cores.</p><p>A fake processor would most likely not have these cutting edge advantages, resulting in inferior performance compared with the authentic Intel processor.</p></div><p>Apparently for some people the difference between an i7 and a piece of scrap metal is some innovative technologies that improve performance!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , man... you will love this article : http : //news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100308/tc \ _pcworld/fourreasonstobewarefakeintelcpus [ yahoo.com ] Authentic Intel Core i7 processors contain a number of innovative technologies to improve performance .
Core i7 chips have an integrated triple-channel memory controller .
They also replace the archaic front-side bus architecture with Intel 's new QuickPath Interconnect system , and use hyperthreading to turn the Core i7 's four physical processor cores into eight virtual cores.A fake processor would most likely not have these cutting edge advantages , resulting in inferior performance compared with the authentic Intel processor.Apparently for some people the difference between an i7 and a piece of scrap metal is some innovative technologies that improve performance !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, man... you will love this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100308/tc\_pcworld/fourreasonstobewarefakeintelcpus [yahoo.com] Authentic Intel Core i7 processors contain a number of innovative technologies to improve performance.
Core i7 chips have an integrated triple-channel memory controller.
They also replace the archaic front-side bus architecture with Intel's new QuickPath Interconnect system, and use hyperthreading to turn the Core i7's four physical processor cores into eight virtual cores.A fake processor would most likely not have these cutting edge advantages, resulting in inferior performance compared with the authentic Intel processor.Apparently for some people the difference between an i7 and a piece of scrap metal is some innovative technologies that improve performance!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421340</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268140620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or, try buying Windows 2003 Server from any seller on feeBay or Amazon.  There is a good chance every single Windows 2003 product on either site is counterfeit. I bought from six different sellers and every single one was counterfeit (same exact style packaging, etc.) and I reported each instance in detail (including detailed descriptions of the media, packaging, the COA decals, what software was actually on the media, etc. and even tested the product keys with a known-legitimate system builder kit. Each amazon storefront/ebay seller has since been shut down/disabled). I've since turned to buying Windows 2008 and installing Windows 2003 via downgrade rights with our last remaining system builder kit for the install. Right now I consider that media to be worth its weight in gold.</p><p>Counterfeits abound. The sad reality is people and vendors who "pirate"[sic] cracked torrents have a superior experience from beginning to end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or , try buying Windows 2003 Server from any seller on feeBay or Amazon .
There is a good chance every single Windows 2003 product on either site is counterfeit .
I bought from six different sellers and every single one was counterfeit ( same exact style packaging , etc .
) and I reported each instance in detail ( including detailed descriptions of the media , packaging , the COA decals , what software was actually on the media , etc .
and even tested the product keys with a known-legitimate system builder kit .
Each amazon storefront/ebay seller has since been shut down/disabled ) .
I 've since turned to buying Windows 2008 and installing Windows 2003 via downgrade rights with our last remaining system builder kit for the install .
Right now I consider that media to be worth its weight in gold.Counterfeits abound .
The sad reality is people and vendors who " pirate " [ sic ] cracked torrents have a superior experience from beginning to end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or, try buying Windows 2003 Server from any seller on feeBay or Amazon.
There is a good chance every single Windows 2003 product on either site is counterfeit.
I bought from six different sellers and every single one was counterfeit (same exact style packaging, etc.
) and I reported each instance in detail (including detailed descriptions of the media, packaging, the COA decals, what software was actually on the media, etc.
and even tested the product keys with a known-legitimate system builder kit.
Each amazon storefront/ebay seller has since been shut down/disabled).
I've since turned to buying Windows 2008 and installing Windows 2003 via downgrade rights with our last remaining system builder kit for the install.
Right now I consider that media to be worth its weight in gold.Counterfeits abound.
The sad reality is people and vendors who "pirate"[sic] cracked torrents have a superior experience from beginning to end.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420014</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31422814</id>
	<title>Re:Glad Newegg confirmed they're fake!</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1268153640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>MARKETING demos, not engineering demos.<br><br>The marketing team doesn't need to pull out the processor, install the HSF, etc.<br>They just have to look at the box and see if the packaging is appealing.  You don't need functional equipment for that, you don't even need dead equipment for that, you just need something that looks like the product.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MARKETING demos , not engineering demos.The marketing team does n't need to pull out the processor , install the HSF , etc.They just have to look at the box and see if the packaging is appealing .
You do n't need functional equipment for that , you do n't even need dead equipment for that , you just need something that looks like the product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MARKETING demos, not engineering demos.The marketing team doesn't need to pull out the processor, install the HSF, etc.They just have to look at the box and see if the packaging is appealing.
You don't need functional equipment for that, you don't even need dead equipment for that, you just need something that looks like the product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31424858</id>
	<title>The real cause of the problem is Intel ...</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1268227620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... selling chips cheaper outside of the USA than inside. That's why there are so many shady distribution channels overseas, to bring the cheap market chips into the USA (where Intel is otherwise boosting the pricing to cover their loses of extreme discounts in other countries). If Intel sold chips directly to retailers like NewEgg at the same price as they sell them everywhere else, with no further volume discounts above the volumes NewEgg and the like buy them in, then there would be no need for NewEgg to buy those chips from questionable distribution channels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... selling chips cheaper outside of the USA than inside .
That 's why there are so many shady distribution channels overseas , to bring the cheap market chips into the USA ( where Intel is otherwise boosting the pricing to cover their loses of extreme discounts in other countries ) .
If Intel sold chips directly to retailers like NewEgg at the same price as they sell them everywhere else , with no further volume discounts above the volumes NewEgg and the like buy them in , then there would be no need for NewEgg to buy those chips from questionable distribution channels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... selling chips cheaper outside of the USA than inside.
That's why there are so many shady distribution channels overseas, to bring the cheap market chips into the USA (where Intel is otherwise boosting the pricing to cover their loses of extreme discounts in other countries).
If Intel sold chips directly to retailers like NewEgg at the same price as they sell them everywhere else, with no further volume discounts above the volumes NewEgg and the like buy them in, then there would be no need for NewEgg to buy those chips from questionable distribution channels.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31420318</id>
	<title>Ipex website returning blank pages</title>
	<author>RocketJeff</author>
	<datestamp>1268134560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NewEgg identified IPEX as the distributor of the phony chips. Their website, <a href="http://www.ipexinfo.com/" title="ipexinfo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipexinfo.com/</a> [ipexinfo.com] , is now returning empty pages.  Google shows a cached page that was available earlier today.</p><p>Don't know if it's just overloaded or if they took it down on purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NewEgg identified IPEX as the distributor of the phony chips .
Their website , http : //www.ipexinfo.com/ [ ipexinfo.com ] , is now returning empty pages .
Google shows a cached page that was available earlier today.Do n't know if it 's just overloaded or if they took it down on purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NewEgg identified IPEX as the distributor of the phony chips.
Their website, http://www.ipexinfo.com/ [ipexinfo.com] , is now returning empty pages.
Google shows a cached page that was available earlier today.Don't know if it's just overloaded or if they took it down on purpose.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31426704</id>
	<title>Re:D&amp;H Distributing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268239080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>HardOCP was simply reporting the information that we believed to be accurate.</i> </p><p>HardOCP are a bunch of childish morons who think that they are serious journalists.</p><p>I am simply reporting the information that I believe to be accurate.  It's a pretty low standard, isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HardOCP was simply reporting the information that we believed to be accurate .
HardOCP are a bunch of childish morons who think that they are serious journalists.I am simply reporting the information that I believe to be accurate .
It 's a pretty low standard , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> HardOCP was simply reporting the information that we believed to be accurate.
HardOCP are a bunch of childish morons who think that they are serious journalists.I am simply reporting the information that I believe to be accurate.
It's a pretty low standard, isn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421830</id>
	<title>Re:Counterfits are everywhere</title>
	<author>billcopc</author>
	<datestamp>1268144280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real question is: why is a distributor involved in the first place ?  You'd think Newegg gets enough volume to buy direct from Intel, why bother making some useless (and now unreliable) middleman rich ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real question is : why is a distributor involved in the first place ?
You 'd think Newegg gets enough volume to buy direct from Intel , why bother making some useless ( and now unreliable ) middleman rich ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real question is: why is a distributor involved in the first place ?
You'd think Newegg gets enough volume to buy direct from Intel, why bother making some useless (and now unreliable) middleman rich ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31421876</id>
	<title>Re:Who is IPEX?</title>
	<author>Akardam</author>
	<datestamp>1268144640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We used ASI at my last job. Given how seedy their will call area was (been there more'n a few times), and some other things that occured over the years, I can't say as I'm surprised by this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We used ASI at my last job .
Given how seedy their will call area was ( been there more'n a few times ) , and some other things that occured over the years , I ca n't say as I 'm surprised by this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We used ASI at my last job.
Given how seedy their will call area was (been there more'n a few times), and some other things that occured over the years, I can't say as I'm surprised by this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_2210205.31426128</id>
	<title>Re:Lost customer</title>
	<author>mike2R</author>
	<datestamp>1268236620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And there's the problem.<br>
All they needed to do when the story broke was say "We are looking into it".<br> <br>

By rejecting it while it was obviously true, I've lost faith in them.</p></div></blockquote><p>
As someone who works in computer component retail, I can tell you with 100\% certainty that they don't want your business.  You are obviously a twat, and any retailer in the world will tell you it isn't worth dealing with twats. They are a source of aggravation and financial losses that you can't do anything about, since in this ecommerce world you can't spot them in advance (sometimes, if you get them on the phone, you can manage to send them to your competitors).<br> <br>A twat removing himself from your pool of potential customers is excellent news, and I'm sure NewEgg will appreciate your generous offer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And there 's the problem .
All they needed to do when the story broke was say " We are looking into it " .
By rejecting it while it was obviously true , I 've lost faith in them .
As someone who works in computer component retail , I can tell you with 100 \ % certainty that they do n't want your business .
You are obviously a twat , and any retailer in the world will tell you it is n't worth dealing with twats .
They are a source of aggravation and financial losses that you ca n't do anything about , since in this ecommerce world you ca n't spot them in advance ( sometimes , if you get them on the phone , you can manage to send them to your competitors ) .
A twat removing himself from your pool of potential customers is excellent news , and I 'm sure NewEgg will appreciate your generous offer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And there's the problem.
All they needed to do when the story broke was say "We are looking into it".
By rejecting it while it was obviously true, I've lost faith in them.
As someone who works in computer component retail, I can tell you with 100\% certainty that they don't want your business.
You are obviously a twat, and any retailer in the world will tell you it isn't worth dealing with twats.
They are a source of aggravation and financial losses that you can't do anything about, since in this ecommerce world you can't spot them in advance (sometimes, if you get them on the phone, you can manage to send them to your competitors).
A twat removing himself from your pool of potential customers is excellent news, and I'm sure NewEgg will appreciate your generous offer.
	</sentencetext>
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