<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_09_1427217</id>
	<title>European Parliament Declaring War Against ACTA</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1268148180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The European Parliament is preparing to take on ACTA. A <a href="http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&amp;site=christianengstrom.wordpress.com&amp;url=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fchristianengstrom.files.wordpress.com\%2F2010\%2F03\%2Fcommon-resolution-acta-final-8-march-2010.doc">joint resolution</a> (DOC) has been tabled by the major EP parties that threatens to go to court unless things change. The EP is <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4848/125/">calling for public access to negotiation texts</a> and rules out further confidential negotiations. Moreover, the EP wants a ban on imposing a three-strikes model, assurances that ACTA will not result in personal searches at the border, and an ACTA impact assessment on fundamental rights and data protection."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The European Parliament is preparing to take on ACTA .
A joint resolution ( DOC ) has been tabled by the major EP parties that threatens to go to court unless things change .
The EP is calling for public access to negotiation texts and rules out further confidential negotiations .
Moreover , the EP wants a ban on imposing a three-strikes model , assurances that ACTA will not result in personal searches at the border , and an ACTA impact assessment on fundamental rights and data protection .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The European Parliament is preparing to take on ACTA.
A joint resolution (DOC) has been tabled by the major EP parties that threatens to go to court unless things change.
The EP is calling for public access to negotiation texts and rules out further confidential negotiations.
Moreover, the EP wants a ban on imposing a three-strikes model, assurances that ACTA will not result in personal searches at the border, and an ACTA impact assessment on fundamental rights and data protection.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415476</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The EU only takes from you till you cry "Rape!" then they act all nice, and fight for your rights.... till you stop your crys then they start taking from you more.<br>So, everyone over in the EU, DON"T shut up. We need you to hold their feet to the fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU only takes from you till you cry " Rape !
" then they act all nice , and fight for your rights.... till you stop your crys then they start taking from you more.So , everyone over in the EU , DON " T shut up .
We need you to hold their feet to the fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU only takes from you till you cry "Rape!
" then they act all nice, and fight for your rights.... till you stop your crys then they start taking from you more.So, everyone over in the EU, DON"T shut up.
We need you to hold their feet to the fire.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414466</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>mrclisdue</author>
	<datestamp>1268153460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting points of view, git (an acronym! not an insult!).</p><p>My initial, hence knee-jerk, concern is that you seem to be intimating that there has been a tremendous amount of groupthink from a certain perspective (ie., self-preservation) as opposed to a simpler, less evil-sounding perspective:  that perhaps this "declaration of war" is a response to the sentiments that ACTA is so wrong beginning at its core, in the first place.</p><p>I'm not pretending to be any less cynical when *good* things *appear* to be taking place, but sometimes the constant looping of the Keystone Cops and the Three Stooges in my brain causes me to don rose-coloured glasses.</p><p>cheers,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting points of view , git ( an acronym !
not an insult !
) .My initial , hence knee-jerk , concern is that you seem to be intimating that there has been a tremendous amount of groupthink from a certain perspective ( ie. , self-preservation ) as opposed to a simpler , less evil-sounding perspective : that perhaps this " declaration of war " is a response to the sentiments that ACTA is so wrong beginning at its core , in the first place.I 'm not pretending to be any less cynical when * good * things * appear * to be taking place , but sometimes the constant looping of the Keystone Cops and the Three Stooges in my brain causes me to don rose-coloured glasses.cheers,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting points of view, git (an acronym!
not an insult!
).My initial, hence knee-jerk, concern is that you seem to be intimating that there has been a tremendous amount of groupthink from a certain perspective (ie., self-preservation) as opposed to a simpler, less evil-sounding perspective:  that perhaps this "declaration of war" is a response to the sentiments that ACTA is so wrong beginning at its core, in the first place.I'm not pretending to be any less cynical when *good* things *appear* to be taking place, but sometimes the constant looping of the Keystone Cops and the Three Stooges in my brain causes me to don rose-coloured glasses.cheers,</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31417080</id>
	<title>As a US Citizen...</title>
	<author>Black Gold Alchemist</author>
	<datestamp>1268163840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What can I do to encourage Europe and help them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What can I do to encourage Europe and help them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What can I do to encourage Europe and help them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31417094</id>
	<title>diplomacy as usual</title>
	<author>FuckingNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1268163900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ACTA was never a list of what anyone would expect to come into force. The EU Parliament will stage their objections; a "compromise" will be reached at precisely the level ACTA sponsors had been hoping for in the first place.</p><p>The only "assurance" I need from the European parliament is an outright refusal of ACTA. Actually, I'd prefer that from the UK parliament, but principle is a privilege of youth and only one of the two parliaments is young.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ACTA was never a list of what anyone would expect to come into force .
The EU Parliament will stage their objections ; a " compromise " will be reached at precisely the level ACTA sponsors had been hoping for in the first place.The only " assurance " I need from the European parliament is an outright refusal of ACTA .
Actually , I 'd prefer that from the UK parliament , but principle is a privilege of youth and only one of the two parliaments is young .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ACTA was never a list of what anyone would expect to come into force.
The EU Parliament will stage their objections; a "compromise" will be reached at precisely the level ACTA sponsors had been hoping for in the first place.The only "assurance" I need from the European parliament is an outright refusal of ACTA.
Actually, I'd prefer that from the UK parliament, but principle is a privilege of youth and only one of the two parliaments is young.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415396</id>
	<title>"Declaring War" is a tired cliche</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1268156700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I vote that we no longer refer to this kind of thing as "declaring war," since that terminology has become cliche.  I suggest the replacement of "calling intervention on."  For instance, the headline here should be "European Parliament Calls Intervention on ACTA."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I vote that we no longer refer to this kind of thing as " declaring war , " since that terminology has become cliche .
I suggest the replacement of " calling intervention on .
" For instance , the headline here should be " European Parliament Calls Intervention on ACTA .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I vote that we no longer refer to this kind of thing as "declaring war," since that terminology has become cliche.
I suggest the replacement of "calling intervention on.
"  For instance, the headline here should be "European Parliament Calls Intervention on ACTA.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415714</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>moz25</author>
	<datestamp>1268157900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, but what you don't fully realize is that we're actually on the same side. As a European, the same interest groups who try to screw me (not personally though) also try to screw you. It's a common enemy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , but what you do n't fully realize is that we 're actually on the same side .
As a European , the same interest groups who try to screw me ( not personally though ) also try to screw you .
It 's a common enemy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, but what you don't fully realize is that we're actually on the same side.
As a European, the same interest groups who try to screw me (not personally though) also try to screw you.
It's a common enemy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414150</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416862</id>
	<title>mod parent Insightful. HUGE potential for errors.</title>
	<author>KWTm</author>
	<datestamp>1268162820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod parent Insightful. HUGE potential for errors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod parent Insightful .
HUGE potential for errors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod parent Insightful.
HUGE potential for errors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414360</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414694</id>
	<title>Re:And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268154360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you new here? Of course you'll be modded troll for expressing what we all know.</p><p>next,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you new here ?
Of course you 'll be modded troll for expressing what we all know.next,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you new here?
Of course you'll be modded troll for expressing what we all know.next,</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416552</id>
	<title>Finally...</title>
	<author>Schoenlepel</author>
	<datestamp>1268161320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The juggernaut starts moving. A Juggernaut which isn't that easy to corrupt and can actually do something about this weird treaty.

Lets just hope they will stop this, otherwise things might just start looking very, very ugly in the future.

After this, things like civil disobedience and open revolt become a very real option.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The juggernaut starts moving .
A Juggernaut which is n't that easy to corrupt and can actually do something about this weird treaty .
Lets just hope they will stop this , otherwise things might just start looking very , very ugly in the future .
After this , things like civil disobedience and open revolt become a very real option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The juggernaut starts moving.
A Juggernaut which isn't that easy to corrupt and can actually do something about this weird treaty.
Lets just hope they will stop this, otherwise things might just start looking very, very ugly in the future.
After this, things like civil disobedience and open revolt become a very real option.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31417978</id>
	<title>Freedom from whom?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268167800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I meant to write something about this for a long time.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is probably not the right forum for it, but for what it's worth, here it goes.</p><p>America was founded on the idea that the people are sovereign, not the government. Government at the time meant the Crown of England. A lot of what makes the US constitution deals with ways of protecting the people from its government. This has worked well for a bit over 2 centuries, but what we are now seeing is nothing less than monarchs taking over again. Only this time they are not called King, they are called CEO. Because the constitution protects persons, they have now convinced everybody that a corporation is a person entitled to all protections afforded by the constitution. ACTA is a small part of this process. DMCA is another one. The extension of copyright terms is another one. The mockery that is the business method patent is yet another one. These are all tools being forged and deployed in order to shift power from the people, as yielded and controlled by their elected representatives in government, to corporations.</p><p>Old-time conservatives keep repeating the mantras about checking in the powers of government, not realizing that government is being eroded and real power is being, more and more, transferred to corporations.</p><p>Remember, government in the US is subject to laws that make it be, as much as possible, open and transparent. This is good as it helps keep the people in charge. Corporations are however accustomed to secrecy and back-room deals. They are used to NDAs, trade secrets, etc. I'm convinced that this is the sentiment behind ACTA's secrecy. This may be the first time something like this has happened, or it may be the first time we actually caught them at it. But ACTA, like the DMCA and others, has been written by corporations, for corporations. Government and the good of the people have very little to do with either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I meant to write something about this for a long time .
/. is probably not the right forum for it , but for what it 's worth , here it goes.America was founded on the idea that the people are sovereign , not the government .
Government at the time meant the Crown of England .
A lot of what makes the US constitution deals with ways of protecting the people from its government .
This has worked well for a bit over 2 centuries , but what we are now seeing is nothing less than monarchs taking over again .
Only this time they are not called King , they are called CEO .
Because the constitution protects persons , they have now convinced everybody that a corporation is a person entitled to all protections afforded by the constitution .
ACTA is a small part of this process .
DMCA is another one .
The extension of copyright terms is another one .
The mockery that is the business method patent is yet another one .
These are all tools being forged and deployed in order to shift power from the people , as yielded and controlled by their elected representatives in government , to corporations.Old-time conservatives keep repeating the mantras about checking in the powers of government , not realizing that government is being eroded and real power is being , more and more , transferred to corporations.Remember , government in the US is subject to laws that make it be , as much as possible , open and transparent .
This is good as it helps keep the people in charge .
Corporations are however accustomed to secrecy and back-room deals .
They are used to NDAs , trade secrets , etc .
I 'm convinced that this is the sentiment behind ACTA 's secrecy .
This may be the first time something like this has happened , or it may be the first time we actually caught them at it .
But ACTA , like the DMCA and others , has been written by corporations , for corporations .
Government and the good of the people have very little to do with either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I meant to write something about this for a long time.
/. is probably not the right forum for it, but for what it's worth, here it goes.America was founded on the idea that the people are sovereign, not the government.
Government at the time meant the Crown of England.
A lot of what makes the US constitution deals with ways of protecting the people from its government.
This has worked well for a bit over 2 centuries, but what we are now seeing is nothing less than monarchs taking over again.
Only this time they are not called King, they are called CEO.
Because the constitution protects persons, they have now convinced everybody that a corporation is a person entitled to all protections afforded by the constitution.
ACTA is a small part of this process.
DMCA is another one.
The extension of copyright terms is another one.
The mockery that is the business method patent is yet another one.
These are all tools being forged and deployed in order to shift power from the people, as yielded and controlled by their elected representatives in government, to corporations.Old-time conservatives keep repeating the mantras about checking in the powers of government, not realizing that government is being eroded and real power is being, more and more, transferred to corporations.Remember, government in the US is subject to laws that make it be, as much as possible, open and transparent.
This is good as it helps keep the people in charge.
Corporations are however accustomed to secrecy and back-room deals.
They are used to NDAs, trade secrets, etc.
I'm convinced that this is the sentiment behind ACTA's secrecy.
This may be the first time something like this has happened, or it may be the first time we actually caught them at it.
But ACTA, like the DMCA and others, has been written by corporations, for corporations.
Government and the good of the people have very little to do with either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415308</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>*cough*</p></div> </blockquote><p>Stop it. Stop it right now. It wasn't funny 15 years ago when it was popular, and it's downright annoying in 2010.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* cough * Stop it .
Stop it right now .
It was n't funny 15 years ago when it was popular , and it 's downright annoying in 2010 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*cough* Stop it.
Stop it right now.
It wasn't funny 15 years ago when it was popular, and it's downright annoying in 2010.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414870</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1268154960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(btw, I've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas, from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you're talking about?)</p></div><p>Ad hominim attacks will get you nowhere.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed?</p></div><p> <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html" title="cia.gov">Yes</a> [cia.gov].</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and that's why it will fight ACTA.</p></div><p>Ah, a righteous uprising by the people is a much more reasonable explanation than their <a href="http://www.wto.org/english/res\_e/booksp\_e/anrep\_e/world\_trade\_report09\_e.pdf" title="wto.org">import/export imbalance</a> [wto.org] being a lot different than the US. And compare <i>what</i> is being imported and exported with the United States, and you'll see what I'm trying to say.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore? You can't be serious.</p></div><p>We weren't talking about the price of tea in China. We were discussing why the ACTA is being fought by the European Union. Please stay on topic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( btw , I 've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas , from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you 're talking about ?
) Ad hominim attacks will get you nowhere.Also , are you really serious about us economy being closed ?
Yes [ cia.gov ] .
...and that 's why it will fight ACTA.Ah , a righteous uprising by the people is a much more reasonable explanation than their import/export imbalance [ wto.org ] being a lot different than the US .
And compare what is being imported and exported with the United States , and you 'll see what I 'm trying to say.Did you forget China and Taiwan , the Indian coders and phone support , even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore ?
You ca n't be serious.We were n't talking about the price of tea in China .
We were discussing why the ACTA is being fought by the European Union .
Please stay on topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(btw, I've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas, from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you're talking about?
)Ad hominim attacks will get you nowhere.Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed?
Yes [cia.gov].
...and that's why it will fight ACTA.Ah, a righteous uprising by the people is a much more reasonable explanation than their import/export imbalance [wto.org] being a lot different than the US.
And compare what is being imported and exported with the United States, and you'll see what I'm trying to say.Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore?
You can't be serious.We weren't talking about the price of tea in China.
We were discussing why the ACTA is being fought by the European Union.
Please stay on topic.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414310</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415876</id>
	<title>Re:And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268158620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No troll intended, just a slight historical correction...<br>No, the US has never led. Ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No troll intended , just a slight historical correction...No , the US has never led .
Ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No troll intended, just a slight historical correction...No, the US has never led.
Ever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414552</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>mrclisdue</author>
	<datestamp>1268153820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me guess - you're either from Toronto or Ottawa, the last true bastions of the Liberal party. You're correct to disregard the ROC (rest of Canada)</p><p>You're right, though - the leader of the Liberal party,  a Canadian who has called himself an American in American television spots, would be much less like a former AMERICAN president.</p><p>Run that by me again....</p><p>cheers,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess - you 're either from Toronto or Ottawa , the last true bastions of the Liberal party .
You 're correct to disregard the ROC ( rest of Canada ) You 're right , though - the leader of the Liberal party , a Canadian who has called himself an American in American television spots , would be much less like a former AMERICAN president.Run that by me again....cheers,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess - you're either from Toronto or Ottawa, the last true bastions of the Liberal party.
You're correct to disregard the ROC (rest of Canada)You're right, though - the leader of the Liberal party,  a Canadian who has called himself an American in American television spots, would be much less like a former AMERICAN president.Run that by me again....cheers,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415816</id>
	<title>Commie Bastards</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268158380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess we'll have to invade the EU next to protect our way of life, because obviously this treaty is designed to improve the lives of citizens in their respective countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess we 'll have to invade the EU next to protect our way of life , because obviously this treaty is designed to improve the lives of citizens in their respective countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess we'll have to invade the EU next to protect our way of life, because obviously this treaty is designed to improve the lives of citizens in their respective countries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416468</id>
	<title>Re:War Metaphor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268160840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you used to need a reason to declare war on another country. Things change, my friend. Declaring war isn't what it used to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you used to need a reason to declare war on another country .
Things change , my friend .
Declaring war is n't what it used to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you used to need a reason to declare war on another country.
Things change, my friend.
Declaring war isn't what it used to be.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419926</id>
	<title>Re:Another nonwar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268132760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&lt;Denholm&gt;<br>I AM DECLARING WAR!<br>I can see that got your attention.<br>&lt;/Denholm&gt;</p><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poj4GFTbs0A<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I AM DECLARING WAR ! I can see that got your attention.http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = poj4GFTbs0A : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I AM DECLARING WAR!I can see that got your attention.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poj4GFTbs0A :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31417958</id>
	<title>Re:Americans and Europeans</title>
	<author>Pantero Blanco</author>
	<datestamp>1268167680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They just choose to ignore a different set of civil liberties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They just choose to ignore a different set of civil liberties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They just choose to ignore a different set of civil liberties.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31418890</id>
	<title>Re:Americans and Europeans</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1268128200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For all the anti-European sentiment here in the United States, specifically against France</p></div><p>In all seriousness, <em>is</em> there an anti-European sentiment? OK, so we tell "France surrenders" jokes. Do you mean to tell me that the UK doesn't? Or that they don't both tell "stupid American" jokes? Among my peers, we tease our friends much more than we'd tell jokes about someone we don't like. So, jokes among friends aside, I don't recall hearing any <em>real</em> dislike of our pals across the ocean.</p><p>What I <em>do</em> hear often is contempt for the commonly espoused idea that given two ways of doing something, the European way is automatically better than the American way. Yeah, so the metric system is clearly superior and I wish we used it more, but we get tired of hearing how our cars / diets / healthcare / politics / schools / clothes / industries / everything else are inherently inferior to their European counterparts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all the anti-European sentiment here in the United States , specifically against FranceIn all seriousness , is there an anti-European sentiment ?
OK , so we tell " France surrenders " jokes .
Do you mean to tell me that the UK does n't ?
Or that they do n't both tell " stupid American " jokes ?
Among my peers , we tease our friends much more than we 'd tell jokes about someone we do n't like .
So , jokes among friends aside , I do n't recall hearing any real dislike of our pals across the ocean.What I do hear often is contempt for the commonly espoused idea that given two ways of doing something , the European way is automatically better than the American way .
Yeah , so the metric system is clearly superior and I wish we used it more , but we get tired of hearing how our cars / diets / healthcare / politics / schools / clothes / industries / everything else are inherently inferior to their European counterparts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all the anti-European sentiment here in the United States, specifically against FranceIn all seriousness, is there an anti-European sentiment?
OK, so we tell "France surrenders" jokes.
Do you mean to tell me that the UK doesn't?
Or that they don't both tell "stupid American" jokes?
Among my peers, we tease our friends much more than we'd tell jokes about someone we don't like.
So, jokes among friends aside, I don't recall hearing any real dislike of our pals across the ocean.What I do hear often is contempt for the commonly espoused idea that given two ways of doing something, the European way is automatically better than the American way.
Yeah, so the metric system is clearly superior and I wish we used it more, but we get tired of hearing how our cars / diets / healthcare / politics / schools / clothes / industries / everything else are inherently inferior to their European counterparts.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416772</id>
	<title>And U.S. Americans still have not heard of ACTA</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1268162460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With all the controversy regarding ACTA all over the world, people in the U.S. are largely very unaware of it.  The media here in the U.S. will not report on it in the main stream and so it's just not as well known as Britney Spear's crotch is.</p><p>ACTA represents a peak in U.S. government corruption and ownership by Big Media.  It may not pass as a treaty world-wide, but you can bet it will be ratified between the U.S. and at least one other government and then enacted and enforced at the U.S. border.  It will not matter if one is travelling to or from a non-signing country.  It's going to be messy... well, more messy than it is now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the controversy regarding ACTA all over the world , people in the U.S. are largely very unaware of it .
The media here in the U.S. will not report on it in the main stream and so it 's just not as well known as Britney Spear 's crotch is.ACTA represents a peak in U.S. government corruption and ownership by Big Media .
It may not pass as a treaty world-wide , but you can bet it will be ratified between the U.S. and at least one other government and then enacted and enforced at the U.S. border. It will not matter if one is travelling to or from a non-signing country .
It 's going to be messy... well , more messy than it is now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the controversy regarding ACTA all over the world, people in the U.S. are largely very unaware of it.
The media here in the U.S. will not report on it in the main stream and so it's just not as well known as Britney Spear's crotch is.ACTA represents a peak in U.S. government corruption and ownership by Big Media.
It may not pass as a treaty world-wide, but you can bet it will be ratified between the U.S. and at least one other government and then enacted and enforced at the U.S. border.  It will not matter if one is travelling to or from a non-signing country.
It's going to be messy... well, more messy than it is now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414360</id>
	<title>Tabled?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268153100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A joint resolution has been tabled</p></div><p>Whose "tabled" is that? Is that "brought forward" or "set aside"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A joint resolution has been tabledWhose " tabled " is that ?
Is that " brought forward " or " set aside " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A joint resolution has been tabledWhose "tabled" is that?
Is that "brought forward" or "set aside"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416212</id>
	<title>Microsoft is a big violator of ACTA</title>
	<author>kseise</author>
	<datestamp>1268159820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I keep lots of pirated stuff in my Hotmail account.  I am sure that everyone else does also.  Can we complain that Microsoft is HOSTING this pirated information and other intellectual property?  Three strikes and they are offline permanently right?

Secondly, a bunch of the spam that I received has stolen logos from various pharmaceutical companies, watch-makers, banks, software companies, etc.  Is hosting these jpgs of corporate logos and apparent IP infringing emails a crime?  If so, that is strike 2 for Microsoft (hotmail at least).

Ooooh, look, Bing just transmitted links to lots of pirated stuff.  I demand that Microsoft be disconnected from the internet at once.  Where do I file take down notices?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep lots of pirated stuff in my Hotmail account .
I am sure that everyone else does also .
Can we complain that Microsoft is HOSTING this pirated information and other intellectual property ?
Three strikes and they are offline permanently right ?
Secondly , a bunch of the spam that I received has stolen logos from various pharmaceutical companies , watch-makers , banks , software companies , etc .
Is hosting these jpgs of corporate logos and apparent IP infringing emails a crime ?
If so , that is strike 2 for Microsoft ( hotmail at least ) .
Ooooh , look , Bing just transmitted links to lots of pirated stuff .
I demand that Microsoft be disconnected from the internet at once .
Where do I file take down notices ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep lots of pirated stuff in my Hotmail account.
I am sure that everyone else does also.
Can we complain that Microsoft is HOSTING this pirated information and other intellectual property?
Three strikes and they are offline permanently right?
Secondly, a bunch of the spam that I received has stolen logos from various pharmaceutical companies, watch-makers, banks, software companies, etc.
Is hosting these jpgs of corporate logos and apparent IP infringing emails a crime?
If so, that is strike 2 for Microsoft (hotmail at least).
Ooooh, look, Bing just transmitted links to lots of pirated stuff.
I demand that Microsoft be disconnected from the internet at once.
Where do I file take down notices?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415254</id>
	<title>Another nonwar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we please stop saying we're declaring war on things that aren't sovereign nations?</p><p>Let's <em>especially stop</em> if they're ideas, conferences, or pieces of paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we please stop saying we 're declaring war on things that are n't sovereign nations ? Let 's especially stop if they 're ideas , conferences , or pieces of paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we please stop saying we're declaring war on things that aren't sovereign nations?Let's especially stop if they're ideas, conferences, or pieces of paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416286</id>
	<title>Re:Americans and Europeans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268160180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh?  If ACTA is a list of laws the US government wants to impose on the whole world, how does EU rejecting those laws protect the liberties of US citizens?  If the US gummint wants these laws, the US gummint will have these laws, and US citizens will still be screwed.</p><p>The only way this can help the US, is if the Europeans demand a provision in ACTA that, instead of attacking liberties, protects liberties, and then the US government reluctantly ratifies the treaty anyway.  But there's no reason to suspect that might happen.  Europe will just have the bullshit stuff taken out, rather than have it inverted.</p><p>I probably didn't phrase that well, but what I mean is that even if EU doesn't get a DMCA out of this, US will still have one.  Our (US) liberties are not saved by Europe at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
If ACTA is a list of laws the US government wants to impose on the whole world , how does EU rejecting those laws protect the liberties of US citizens ?
If the US gummint wants these laws , the US gummint will have these laws , and US citizens will still be screwed.The only way this can help the US , is if the Europeans demand a provision in ACTA that , instead of attacking liberties , protects liberties , and then the US government reluctantly ratifies the treaty anyway .
But there 's no reason to suspect that might happen .
Europe will just have the bullshit stuff taken out , rather than have it inverted.I probably did n't phrase that well , but what I mean is that even if EU does n't get a DMCA out of this , US will still have one .
Our ( US ) liberties are not saved by Europe at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
If ACTA is a list of laws the US government wants to impose on the whole world, how does EU rejecting those laws protect the liberties of US citizens?
If the US gummint wants these laws, the US gummint will have these laws, and US citizens will still be screwed.The only way this can help the US, is if the Europeans demand a provision in ACTA that, instead of attacking liberties, protects liberties, and then the US government reluctantly ratifies the treaty anyway.
But there's no reason to suspect that might happen.
Europe will just have the bullshit stuff taken out, rather than have it inverted.I probably didn't phrase that well, but what I mean is that even if EU doesn't get a DMCA out of this, US will still have one.
Our (US) liberties are not saved by Europe at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415012</id>
	<title>Re:And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ...</title>
	<author>twisteddk</author>
	<datestamp>1268155380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wasn't there a time when the US led the world in freedom, liberty, and openness?</p></div><p>That was probably a long time ago. But I like the fact that Americans still think this, because that means that they want it to be true.<br>But for this to be true, it pretty much depends on what you consider to be freedom, liberty and openness. The rule of law has always been about protecting the strong from the weak, as stealing from others is easier than making things for yourself, thus laws must exist to protect our ability to evolve as a species. And as has been mentioned earlier, ACTA is simply a move to ensure that the US gets a bigger cut of IP, copyrights etc. Arguably what RIAA/MPAA et al. does, hardly falls under the category of human evolution, more like the opposite, but they're strong, and they seek the protection of the law to maintain their wealth and power. That's the American way.</p><p>So if the US is pro freedom, pro liberty, pro openness, but also pro capitalism, the question instead becomes: What takes priority among these values ?<br>And Presumably the reason for keeping stuff like this secret, is that it's really bad press when people find out that the US is willing to not only sacrifice its OWN citizens freedoms, but also that of its allies' on the altar of capitalism.</p><p>Apparently a lot of people (not just RIAA and others) have forgotten an old quote:<br>"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either". (- Franklin, AFAIK)</p><p>I applaud Americans, chineese and pretty much anyone who would stand against any legislation that could be used to monitor limit or cut off internet usage. As this will limit our ability to communicate with eachother, and experience different views (political and otherwise), openly exchange ideas and cooperate virtually across borders, ethics, religion and race. The internet is what makes us a global community, and attempts to stop this globalisation must be met with resistance. Let us not forget that the internet can actually be used for WAY more than just distributing porn and pirated music.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't there a time when the US led the world in freedom , liberty , and openness ? That was probably a long time ago .
But I like the fact that Americans still think this , because that means that they want it to be true.But for this to be true , it pretty much depends on what you consider to be freedom , liberty and openness .
The rule of law has always been about protecting the strong from the weak , as stealing from others is easier than making things for yourself , thus laws must exist to protect our ability to evolve as a species .
And as has been mentioned earlier , ACTA is simply a move to ensure that the US gets a bigger cut of IP , copyrights etc .
Arguably what RIAA/MPAA et al .
does , hardly falls under the category of human evolution , more like the opposite , but they 're strong , and they seek the protection of the law to maintain their wealth and power .
That 's the American way.So if the US is pro freedom , pro liberty , pro openness , but also pro capitalism , the question instead becomes : What takes priority among these values ? And Presumably the reason for keeping stuff like this secret , is that it 's really bad press when people find out that the US is willing to not only sacrifice its OWN citizens freedoms , but also that of its allies ' on the altar of capitalism.Apparently a lot of people ( not just RIAA and others ) have forgotten an old quote : " The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either " .
( - Franklin , AFAIK ) I applaud Americans , chineese and pretty much anyone who would stand against any legislation that could be used to monitor limit or cut off internet usage .
As this will limit our ability to communicate with eachother , and experience different views ( political and otherwise ) , openly exchange ideas and cooperate virtually across borders , ethics , religion and race .
The internet is what makes us a global community , and attempts to stop this globalisation must be met with resistance .
Let us not forget that the internet can actually be used for WAY more than just distributing porn and pirated music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't there a time when the US led the world in freedom, liberty, and openness?That was probably a long time ago.
But I like the fact that Americans still think this, because that means that they want it to be true.But for this to be true, it pretty much depends on what you consider to be freedom, liberty and openness.
The rule of law has always been about protecting the strong from the weak, as stealing from others is easier than making things for yourself, thus laws must exist to protect our ability to evolve as a species.
And as has been mentioned earlier, ACTA is simply a move to ensure that the US gets a bigger cut of IP, copyrights etc.
Arguably what RIAA/MPAA et al.
does, hardly falls under the category of human evolution, more like the opposite, but they're strong, and they seek the protection of the law to maintain their wealth and power.
That's the American way.So if the US is pro freedom, pro liberty, pro openness, but also pro capitalism, the question instead becomes: What takes priority among these values ?And Presumably the reason for keeping stuff like this secret, is that it's really bad press when people find out that the US is willing to not only sacrifice its OWN citizens freedoms, but also that of its allies' on the altar of capitalism.Apparently a lot of people (not just RIAA and others) have forgotten an old quote:"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either".
(- Franklin, AFAIK)I applaud Americans, chineese and pretty much anyone who would stand against any legislation that could be used to monitor limit or cut off internet usage.
As this will limit our ability to communicate with eachother, and experience different views (political and otherwise), openly exchange ideas and cooperate virtually across borders, ethics, religion and race.
The internet is what makes us a global community, and attempts to stop this globalisation must be met with resistance.
Let us not forget that the internet can actually be used for WAY more than just distributing porn and pirated music.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414982</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"EU doesn't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people..."</p><p>Hilarious. It represents the people so well that it couldn't even allow them a vote on whether or not to adopt the Lisbon Treaty (read constitution). The EU has so many tiers of government that the level at which decisions are made no longer has any connection with the bottom layer which consists of the people.</p><p>If the EU is working in the interests of the people now, it is coincidence. Wait till the corporations get the hang of the EU lobby system, then it will be back to business as usual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" EU does n't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people... " Hilarious .
It represents the people so well that it could n't even allow them a vote on whether or not to adopt the Lisbon Treaty ( read constitution ) .
The EU has so many tiers of government that the level at which decisions are made no longer has any connection with the bottom layer which consists of the people.If the EU is working in the interests of the people now , it is coincidence .
Wait till the corporations get the hang of the EU lobby system , then it will be back to business as usual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"EU doesn't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people..."Hilarious.
It represents the people so well that it couldn't even allow them a vote on whether or not to adopt the Lisbon Treaty (read constitution).
The EU has so many tiers of government that the level at which decisions are made no longer has any connection with the bottom layer which consists of the people.If the EU is working in the interests of the people now, it is coincidence.
Wait till the corporations get the hang of the EU lobby system, then it will be back to business as usual.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415348</id>
	<title>War Metaphor</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1268156520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "war on" metaphor has become trite.  Can we just say what it is: The EU Parliament is investigating/opposing/*something* against ACTA.  The way people use the word war has stripped it of effect.  War used to be a big deal... no it just means arguement/conflict/opposition.</p><p>Sure we can use metaphors, but when we over use them or use them incorrectly, the original word loses meaning and the metaphor becomes "cute" at best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " war on " metaphor has become trite .
Can we just say what it is : The EU Parliament is investigating/opposing/ * something * against ACTA .
The way people use the word war has stripped it of effect .
War used to be a big deal... no it just means arguement/conflict/opposition.Sure we can use metaphors , but when we over use them or use them incorrectly , the original word loses meaning and the metaphor becomes " cute " at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "war on" metaphor has become trite.
Can we just say what it is: The EU Parliament is investigating/opposing/*something* against ACTA.
The way people use the word war has stripped it of effect.
War used to be a big deal... no it just means arguement/conflict/opposition.Sure we can use metaphors, but when we over use them or use them incorrectly, the original word loses meaning and the metaphor becomes "cute" at best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419788</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268132040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In fact, to my believe, given that the US, China were leading in manufacturing electronic goods, forced many economies to deal with services by selling and supporting those goods. <br>Now that few companies have become large corporations, the trend continued at a large scale.<br> <br>Many telecommunication companies come to mind... Telefonica, DT, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , to my believe , given that the US , China were leading in manufacturing electronic goods , forced many economies to deal with services by selling and supporting those goods .
Now that few companies have become large corporations , the trend continued at a large scale .
Many telecommunication companies come to mind... Telefonica , DT , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, to my believe, given that the US, China were leading in manufacturing electronic goods, forced many economies to deal with services by selling and supporting those goods.
Now that few companies have become large corporations, the trend continued at a large scale.
Many telecommunication companies come to mind... Telefonica, DT, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415580</id>
	<title>The difference between the EU and the European Par</title>
	<author>Lagurz</author>
	<datestamp>1268157360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Usually when reading mainstream media the always say that EU wants this or EU wants that. This is a severe simplification, and makes the whole issue wrong.</p><p>There are three institutions in the EU that have power and they usually want different things. The 3 are:</p><p>* European Commission (members not elected)<br>* Council of Ministers (members are elected ministers of their home countries, not elected on a European level)<br>* European Parliament (members are elected in democratic elections all around Europe)</p><p>The European Commission has been handling the ACTA negotiations in secrecy with USA and other countries. What has happened now is that the European Parliament has come up with a resolution saying the the European Commission can no longer do this in secrecy and all negotiations must now be public.</p><p>In short, the Parliament, representing the people, wants to see the ACTA files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Usually when reading mainstream media the always say that EU wants this or EU wants that .
This is a severe simplification , and makes the whole issue wrong.There are three institutions in the EU that have power and they usually want different things .
The 3 are : * European Commission ( members not elected ) * Council of Ministers ( members are elected ministers of their home countries , not elected on a European level ) * European Parliament ( members are elected in democratic elections all around Europe ) The European Commission has been handling the ACTA negotiations in secrecy with USA and other countries .
What has happened now is that the European Parliament has come up with a resolution saying the the European Commission can no longer do this in secrecy and all negotiations must now be public.In short , the Parliament , representing the people , wants to see the ACTA files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usually when reading mainstream media the always say that EU wants this or EU wants that.
This is a severe simplification, and makes the whole issue wrong.There are three institutions in the EU that have power and they usually want different things.
The 3 are:* European Commission (members not elected)* Council of Ministers (members are elected ministers of their home countries, not elected on a European level)* European Parliament (members are elected in democratic elections all around Europe)The European Commission has been handling the ACTA negotiations in secrecy with USA and other countries.
What has happened now is that the European Parliament has come up with a resolution saying the the European Commission can no longer do this in secrecy and all negotiations must now be public.In short, the Parliament, representing the people, wants to see the ACTA files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414738</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268154540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it's the european *commission* which I am personally afraid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's the european * commission * which I am personally afraid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's the european *commission* which I am personally afraid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416720</id>
	<title>Not enough</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1268162220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>War against one campaign not enough. We need to pay attention to who is behind the campaign, because for them, every campaign is nothing more than a learning experience under the belt.</p><p>The very institutions lobbying and campaigning for controlling the only (still) free medium and making its use depending on their approval should be dismantled. They are forces of oppression, control, fear and insensitive cruelty based on infinite greed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>War against one campaign not enough .
We need to pay attention to who is behind the campaign , because for them , every campaign is nothing more than a learning experience under the belt.The very institutions lobbying and campaigning for controlling the only ( still ) free medium and making its use depending on their approval should be dismantled .
They are forces of oppression , control , fear and insensitive cruelty based on infinite greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>War against one campaign not enough.
We need to pay attention to who is behind the campaign, because for them, every campaign is nothing more than a learning experience under the belt.The very institutions lobbying and campaigning for controlling the only (still) free medium and making its use depending on their approval should be dismantled.
They are forces of oppression, control, fear and insensitive cruelty based on infinite greed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414250</id>
	<title>And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ... sig</title>
	<author>jgreco</author>
	<datestamp>1268152620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't there a time when the US led the world in freedom, liberty, and openness?</p><p>I know I'm going to get horribly trolled for this, but damn it, it needs to be said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't there a time when the US led the world in freedom , liberty , and openness ? I know I 'm going to get horribly trolled for this , but damn it , it needs to be said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't there a time when the US led the world in freedom, liberty, and openness?I know I'm going to get horribly trolled for this, but damn it, it needs to be said.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31418926</id>
	<title>It's embarrassing...</title>
	<author>TaleSpinner</author>
	<datestamp>1268128320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Damn</i> it's embarrassing when we have to look to <i>Europe</i> for a lesson in intellectual freedom!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn it 's embarrassing when we have to look to Europe for a lesson in intellectual freedom !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn it's embarrassing when we have to look to Europe for a lesson in intellectual freedom!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414336</id>
	<title>WOOT good work EP</title>
	<author>YeeHaW\_Jelte</author>
	<datestamp>1268153040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First they shot down the forced SWIFT bank transactions monitoring by the US of EU citizens (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/06/1836221/EU-Committee-Says-No-To-Bank-Data-Sharing) and now they're (trying to) blow the lid on all the secrecy surrounding this ACTA agreement.</p><p>Maybe the EU Lisbon treaty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty\_of\_Lisbon) has really given th European Parlement some teeth. At least they are probing the limits of their power, in the right direction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First they shot down the forced SWIFT bank transactions monitoring by the US of EU citizens ( http : //yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/06/1836221/EU-Committee-Says-No-To-Bank-Data-Sharing ) and now they 're ( trying to ) blow the lid on all the secrecy surrounding this ACTA agreement.Maybe the EU Lisbon treaty ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty \ _of \ _Lisbon ) has really given th European Parlement some teeth .
At least they are probing the limits of their power , in the right direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First they shot down the forced SWIFT bank transactions monitoring by the US of EU citizens (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/06/1836221/EU-Committee-Says-No-To-Bank-Data-Sharing) and now they're (trying to) blow the lid on all the secrecy surrounding this ACTA agreement.Maybe the EU Lisbon treaty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty\_of\_Lisbon) has really given th European Parlement some teeth.
At least they are probing the limits of their power, in the right direction.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416210</id>
	<title>Append this to your sig (offtopic)</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1268159820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the beginning, there was God. He just magically appeared!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the beginning , there was God .
He just magically appeared !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the beginning, there was God.
He just magically appeared!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416194</id>
	<title>Re:And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268159760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, the word &ldquo;freedom&rdquo; is used as a newspeak word, meaning something quite different (whatever fitted the greed for power), for a long time already. But the EU-countries are not really that much better. They mostly try to imitate the US anyway. And badly too.</p><p>Luckily, this very article proves that not all is bad. By far.</p><p>Also, while the <em>media</em> likes to portrait it as if the people of the US and the EU hate each other, actually it couldn&rsquo;t be further from the truth. We hate Cheney. And fighting pointless wars. But 1. we BOTH hate that. And 2. what does that have to do with the people, rather than the governments?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>Unless we have met someone personally, we still can&rsquo;t judge him, can we?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>So only dumb people would get angry over your comment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , the word    freedom    is used as a newspeak word , meaning something quite different ( whatever fitted the greed for power ) , for a long time already .
But the EU-countries are not really that much better .
They mostly try to imitate the US anyway .
And badly too.Luckily , this very article proves that not all is bad .
By far.Also , while the media likes to portrait it as if the people of the US and the EU hate each other , actually it couldn    t be further from the truth .
We hate Cheney .
And fighting pointless wars .
But 1. we BOTH hate that .
And 2. what does that have to do with the people , rather than the governments ?
: ) Unless we have met someone personally , we still can    t judge him , can we ?
: ) So only dumb people would get angry over your comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, the word “freedom” is used as a newspeak word, meaning something quite different (whatever fitted the greed for power), for a long time already.
But the EU-countries are not really that much better.
They mostly try to imitate the US anyway.
And badly too.Luckily, this very article proves that not all is bad.
By far.Also, while the media likes to portrait it as if the people of the US and the EU hate each other, actually it couldn’t be further from the truth.
We hate Cheney.
And fighting pointless wars.
But 1. we BOTH hate that.
And 2. what does that have to do with the people, rather than the governments?
:)Unless we have met someone personally, we still can’t judge him, can we?
:)So only dumb people would get angry over your comment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419750</id>
	<title>Re:And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ...</title>
	<author>Schmorgluck</author>
	<datestamp>1268131860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either". (- Franklin, AFAIK)</p></div><p>I think it's Jefferson, but I'm too lazy right now to look it up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either " .
( - Franklin , AFAIK ) I think it 's Jefferson , but I 'm too lazy right now to look it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either".
(- Franklin, AFAIK)I think it's Jefferson, but I'm too lazy right now to look it up.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414044</id>
	<title>ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268151840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's getting heated up in my country too. People are demanding answers from politicians, but even they don't know what the fuck is going on. ACTA is seriously the kind of secrecy movement that should not be allowed. It's good to see we actually have some backbone. My image towards EU has growth a lot with this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's getting heated up in my country too .
People are demanding answers from politicians , but even they do n't know what the fuck is going on .
ACTA is seriously the kind of secrecy movement that should not be allowed .
It 's good to see we actually have some backbone .
My image towards EU has growth a lot with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's getting heated up in my country too.
People are demanding answers from politicians, but even they don't know what the fuck is going on.
ACTA is seriously the kind of secrecy movement that should not be allowed.
It's good to see we actually have some backbone.
My image towards EU has growth a lot with this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31434820</id>
	<title>Re:Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>seekertom</author>
	<datestamp>1268246640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yo, i'm an American too, and i disagree with your view on our govt.  there may be two different named parties in dc, but it's all the same govt as far as i can see. (remember the 'good cop-bad cop routine? BOTH are  cops, right?)  nothing comes out of dc unless they ALL agree to it, one way or another!  throwing more of a bad thing (more political parties) at the problem won't fix it. just get the ones we DO have to be open and honest, and we'll be on the way. we need to limit the power the govt has over the people. things like the 28th amendment would help. it would also help us to start taking seriously all those cute sayings you see here and there like "any govt big enough to give you..." and so on. (usually words of our founding fathers who knew what we were in for...)  so far, we have ignored what they tried to tell us to avoid. thanks fer lis'nin'   seekertom</htmltext>
<tokenext>yo , i 'm an American too , and i disagree with your view on our govt .
there may be two different named parties in dc , but it 's all the same govt as far as i can see .
( remember the 'good cop-bad cop routine ?
BOTH are cops , right ?
) nothing comes out of dc unless they ALL agree to it , one way or another !
throwing more of a bad thing ( more political parties ) at the problem wo n't fix it .
just get the ones we DO have to be open and honest , and we 'll be on the way .
we need to limit the power the govt has over the people .
things like the 28th amendment would help .
it would also help us to start taking seriously all those cute sayings you see here and there like " any govt big enough to give you... " and so on .
( usually words of our founding fathers who knew what we were in for... ) so far , we have ignored what they tried to tell us to avoid .
thanks fer lis'nin ' seekertom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yo, i'm an American too, and i disagree with your view on our govt.
there may be two different named parties in dc, but it's all the same govt as far as i can see.
(remember the 'good cop-bad cop routine?
BOTH are  cops, right?
)  nothing comes out of dc unless they ALL agree to it, one way or another!
throwing more of a bad thing (more political parties) at the problem won't fix it.
just get the ones we DO have to be open and honest, and we'll be on the way.
we need to limit the power the govt has over the people.
things like the 28th amendment would help.
it would also help us to start taking seriously all those cute sayings you see here and there like "any govt big enough to give you..." and so on.
(usually words of our founding fathers who knew what we were in for...)  so far, we have ignored what they tried to tell us to avoid.
thanks fer lis'nin'   seekertom</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414606</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31418412</id>
	<title>Re:Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>xvedejas</author>
	<datestamp>1268126280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't see any way third parties will get any power without proportional representation or alternative voting methods like range voting or the single-transferable vote.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't see any way third parties will get any power without proportional representation or alternative voting methods like range voting or the single-transferable vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't see any way third parties will get any power without proportional representation or alternative voting methods like range voting or the single-transferable vote.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414606</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31417866</id>
	<title>Re:Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>Hazelfield</author>
	<datestamp>1268167320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are exceptions.<br> <br>

Right now, in the European Parliament, sit two MEP's called Christian Engstr&#246;m and Amelia Andersdotter. They represent the Swedish Pirate Party, which got some 7\% of the Swedish votes in the EP election last year. The reason the party got so many votes was that the Swedes finally had enough of all the repressive laws that were passed over their heads by the traditional parties. At least, that's why I voted for them. So while it's not perfect, the multiple-party system does allow for new parties fueled by discontent with the current situation.<br> <br>

The Pirate Party have played some part in fighting the ACTA agreement. Christian Engstr&#246;m keeps a <a href="http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">blog</a> [wordpress.com] where he reports on ACTA and other questions regarding your rights online.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are exceptions .
Right now , in the European Parliament , sit two MEP 's called Christian Engstr   m and Amelia Andersdotter .
They represent the Swedish Pirate Party , which got some 7 \ % of the Swedish votes in the EP election last year .
The reason the party got so many votes was that the Swedes finally had enough of all the repressive laws that were passed over their heads by the traditional parties .
At least , that 's why I voted for them .
So while it 's not perfect , the multiple-party system does allow for new parties fueled by discontent with the current situation .
The Pirate Party have played some part in fighting the ACTA agreement .
Christian Engstr   m keeps a blog [ wordpress.com ] where he reports on ACTA and other questions regarding your rights online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are exceptions.
Right now, in the European Parliament, sit two MEP's called Christian Engström and Amelia Andersdotter.
They represent the Swedish Pirate Party, which got some 7\% of the Swedish votes in the EP election last year.
The reason the party got so many votes was that the Swedes finally had enough of all the repressive laws that were passed over their heads by the traditional parties.
At least, that's why I voted for them.
So while it's not perfect, the multiple-party system does allow for new parties fueled by discontent with the current situation.
The Pirate Party have played some part in fighting the ACTA agreement.
Christian Engström keeps a blog [wordpress.com] where he reports on ACTA and other questions regarding your rights online.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414606</id>
	<title>Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268154060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, I'm an American and I find it fantastic that Canada and the EP have a damn head on their shoulders. As long as Americans believe there are ONLY TWO POLITICAL PARTIES, this country will be f'ed. Those in control have been there too long and need to be replaced. The problem is those two parties have all the money for running real political campaigns. If an independent or some other political party had the money to actually get their name out, AND (and a HUGE and) if the American people wouldn't just vote BASED ON A PARTY NAME, things in this country could be much better. As it is now, you have two real parties and one of them is basically given control of the congress and/or house so they can just push what bills they want out the door. IF American's would actually open up their mind and quit voting by party name, and IF we could get 4, 5, or 6 PARTIES into congress and house, thing would be less "This is what we (as in the controlling party) want, push it though!" to more checks and balances on the whole process. It wouldn't be a controlling group with the same ideas in charge, but a mix of ideas from a range of people.. and I have a feeling it would keep more crap like this from appearing, as well as cut back on all the bullshit tucked away in bills.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I 'm an American and I find it fantastic that Canada and the EP have a damn head on their shoulders .
As long as Americans believe there are ONLY TWO POLITICAL PARTIES , this country will be f'ed .
Those in control have been there too long and need to be replaced .
The problem is those two parties have all the money for running real political campaigns .
If an independent or some other political party had the money to actually get their name out , AND ( and a HUGE and ) if the American people would n't just vote BASED ON A PARTY NAME , things in this country could be much better .
As it is now , you have two real parties and one of them is basically given control of the congress and/or house so they can just push what bills they want out the door .
IF American 's would actually open up their mind and quit voting by party name , and IF we could get 4 , 5 , or 6 PARTIES into congress and house , thing would be less " This is what we ( as in the controlling party ) want , push it though !
" to more checks and balances on the whole process .
It would n't be a controlling group with the same ideas in charge , but a mix of ideas from a range of people.. and I have a feeling it would keep more crap like this from appearing , as well as cut back on all the bullshit tucked away in bills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I'm an American and I find it fantastic that Canada and the EP have a damn head on their shoulders.
As long as Americans believe there are ONLY TWO POLITICAL PARTIES, this country will be f'ed.
Those in control have been there too long and need to be replaced.
The problem is those two parties have all the money for running real political campaigns.
If an independent or some other political party had the money to actually get their name out, AND (and a HUGE and) if the American people wouldn't just vote BASED ON A PARTY NAME, things in this country could be much better.
As it is now, you have two real parties and one of them is basically given control of the congress and/or house so they can just push what bills they want out the door.
IF American's would actually open up their mind and quit voting by party name, and IF we could get 4, 5, or 6 PARTIES into congress and house, thing would be less "This is what we (as in the controlling party) want, push it though!
" to more checks and balances on the whole process.
It wouldn't be a controlling group with the same ideas in charge, but a mix of ideas from a range of people.. and I have a feeling it would keep more crap like this from appearing, as well as cut back on all the bullshit tucked away in bills.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414934</id>
	<title>acta backfires</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1268155140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>media corporations and their paid-for government whores are attempting to backdoor their oligopolistic unneeded parasitical existence into the internet age</p><p>but the people have spoken: we like our freedoms very much, and it is clear the internet has meant that your continued existence means compromising our freedoms in ways we don't like. so i guess you'll just have to die then, unnecessary media corporations</p><p>artists, writers, directors: you don't need old school distributors. there's a better, free, distributor: the internet. sure, you won't get pennies everytime someone sings your song in the shower (while some lawyer asshole gets the lion share of pennies) but you'll get fabulous exposure and advertising and presence. then you can tour, and make money the honest way</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>media corporations and their paid-for government whores are attempting to backdoor their oligopolistic unneeded parasitical existence into the internet agebut the people have spoken : we like our freedoms very much , and it is clear the internet has meant that your continued existence means compromising our freedoms in ways we do n't like .
so i guess you 'll just have to die then , unnecessary media corporationsartists , writers , directors : you do n't need old school distributors .
there 's a better , free , distributor : the internet .
sure , you wo n't get pennies everytime someone sings your song in the shower ( while some lawyer asshole gets the lion share of pennies ) but you 'll get fabulous exposure and advertising and presence .
then you can tour , and make money the honest way</tokentext>
<sentencetext>media corporations and their paid-for government whores are attempting to backdoor their oligopolistic unneeded parasitical existence into the internet agebut the people have spoken: we like our freedoms very much, and it is clear the internet has meant that your continued existence means compromising our freedoms in ways we don't like.
so i guess you'll just have to die then, unnecessary media corporationsartists, writers, directors: you don't need old school distributors.
there's a better, free, distributor: the internet.
sure, you won't get pennies everytime someone sings your song in the shower (while some lawyer asshole gets the lion share of pennies) but you'll get fabulous exposure and advertising and presence.
then you can tour, and make money the honest way</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31444962</id>
	<title>Re:Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268304360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>usually there are only two or three big parties. ando not forget berlusconi</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>usually there are only two or three big parties .
ando not forget berlusconi</tokentext>
<sentencetext>usually there are only two or three big parties.
ando not forget berlusconi</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415636</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268157600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>were those spots in North American or South American tv station?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>were those spots in North American or South American tv station ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>were those spots in North American or South American tv station?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414150</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1268152320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish I was European so I could take pride in the fact that someone is finally standing up and calling bullshit on this entire process. I just wish Canada's government would do the same but, so long as Stephen 'Bush-wannabee' Harper is in power (proroguing government in an attempt to remain in power), I don't imagine that will ever happen so I'll have to simply be glad that the Europeans are doing the right thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I was European so I could take pride in the fact that someone is finally standing up and calling bullshit on this entire process .
I just wish Canada 's government would do the same but , so long as Stephen 'Bush-wannabee ' Harper is in power ( proroguing government in an attempt to remain in power ) , I do n't imagine that will ever happen so I 'll have to simply be glad that the Europeans are doing the right thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I was European so I could take pride in the fact that someone is finally standing up and calling bullshit on this entire process.
I just wish Canada's government would do the same but, so long as Stephen 'Bush-wannabee' Harper is in power (proroguing government in an attempt to remain in power), I don't imagine that will ever happen so I'll have to simply be glad that the Europeans are doing the right thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31420270</id>
	<title>Re:Another nonwar</title>
	<author>Tolkien</author>
	<datestamp>1268134380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No! I <i>declare war</i> on your cheek with a salmon. Think of the children!</htmltext>
<tokenext>No !
I declare war on your cheek with a salmon .
Think of the children !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No!
I declare war on your cheek with a salmon.
Think of the children!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414470</id>
	<title>Re:And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ...</title>
	<author>Vapula</author>
	<datestamp>1268153520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I think it's only a false image... At first, "american" were greedy colonists (either going to america to flee some judicial problems in europe or going there to make some big profit).</p><p>While esclavagism had mostly disappeared in Europe, it had been brought back in US...</p><p>US has always be about freedom without limits... If you succeed in earning money, it gave you the right to "enslave" other people (well, employing them with minimal salaries), to crush the other trying to earn their living (most known example on slashdot is Microsoft... but it's true for many other),...</p><p>On the other hand, in Europe, it had been more and more about limiting personal freedom so it don't infringe on someone other's freedom (I won't say it was perfectly done)... Corporate greed also existed in europe... long ago... And it's brought back from the US (and other) thanks to the buyouts, merges,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I think it 's only a false image... At first , " american " were greedy colonists ( either going to america to flee some judicial problems in europe or going there to make some big profit ) .While esclavagism had mostly disappeared in Europe , it had been brought back in US...US has always be about freedom without limits... If you succeed in earning money , it gave you the right to " enslave " other people ( well , employing them with minimal salaries ) , to crush the other trying to earn their living ( most known example on slashdot is Microsoft... but it 's true for many other ) ,...On the other hand , in Europe , it had been more and more about limiting personal freedom so it do n't infringe on someone other 's freedom ( I wo n't say it was perfectly done ) ... Corporate greed also existed in europe... long ago... And it 's brought back from the US ( and other ) thanks to the buyouts , merges , .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I think it's only a false image... At first, "american" were greedy colonists (either going to america to flee some judicial problems in europe or going there to make some big profit).While esclavagism had mostly disappeared in Europe, it had been brought back in US...US has always be about freedom without limits... If you succeed in earning money, it gave you the right to "enslave" other people (well, employing them with minimal salaries), to crush the other trying to earn their living (most known example on slashdot is Microsoft... but it's true for many other),...On the other hand, in Europe, it had been more and more about limiting personal freedom so it don't infringe on someone other's freedom (I won't say it was perfectly done)... Corporate greed also existed in europe... long ago... And it's brought back from the US (and other) thanks to the buyouts, merges, ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414588</id>
	<title>Re:Tabled?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268154000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In EU (at least in the UK), tabled means putting a proposal up for discussion. A Bill is tabled.</p><p>It goes back to the days when the (Again in the UK, AFAIK), when the items up for consideration in Parliament were written on paper and laid out on a table in the order in which they were going to be discussed.<br>This is turn leads to the things called 'order papers'. If you watch the proceedings of the House OF Commons on TV and especially PMQ's, you will see MP's waving sheets of paper in the air. These are the 'order papers' which are the timetable of business that is up before the house that day.</p><p>Quite a different meaning than in the US where tabled means put aside.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In EU ( at least in the UK ) , tabled means putting a proposal up for discussion .
A Bill is tabled.It goes back to the days when the ( Again in the UK , AFAIK ) , when the items up for consideration in Parliament were written on paper and laid out on a table in the order in which they were going to be discussed.This is turn leads to the things called 'order papers' .
If you watch the proceedings of the House OF Commons on TV and especially PMQ 's , you will see MP 's waving sheets of paper in the air .
These are the 'order papers ' which are the timetable of business that is up before the house that day.Quite a different meaning than in the US where tabled means put aside .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>In EU (at least in the UK), tabled means putting a proposal up for discussion.
A Bill is tabled.It goes back to the days when the (Again in the UK, AFAIK), when the items up for consideration in Parliament were written on paper and laid out on a table in the order in which they were going to be discussed.This is turn leads to the things called 'order papers'.
If you watch the proceedings of the House OF Commons on TV and especially PMQ's, you will see MP's waving sheets of paper in the air.
These are the 'order papers' which are the timetable of business that is up before the house that day.Quite a different meaning than in the US where tabled means put aside.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416956</id>
	<title>Irrelevant</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1268163300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>European Union and European Parliament represent the age of enlightenment and humanist ideals. Upon these facts were all the previously warring countries were united. (they were in ww 2 just 5-10 years ago). And up to this point, Eu and Eu Parliament have properly acted as people's organizations, protecting the rights of 'the people' rather than industries' and private interests', even at the risk of hampering those industries.</p><p>no its not quite clever. if you try hard, you can find a 'self preservation' motive in everything.</p><p>first of all, noone, no country on the face of the planet would want to be american corporations' bitch in regard to intellectual property and internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>European Union and European Parliament represent the age of enlightenment and humanist ideals .
Upon these facts were all the previously warring countries were united .
( they were in ww 2 just 5-10 years ago ) .
And up to this point , Eu and Eu Parliament have properly acted as people 's organizations , protecting the rights of 'the people ' rather than industries ' and private interests ' , even at the risk of hampering those industries.no its not quite clever .
if you try hard , you can find a 'self preservation ' motive in everything.first of all , noone , no country on the face of the planet would want to be american corporations ' bitch in regard to intellectual property and internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>European Union and European Parliament represent the age of enlightenment and humanist ideals.
Upon these facts were all the previously warring countries were united.
(they were in ww 2 just 5-10 years ago).
And up to this point, Eu and Eu Parliament have properly acted as people's organizations, protecting the rights of 'the people' rather than industries' and private interests', even at the risk of hampering those industries.no its not quite clever.
if you try hard, you can find a 'self preservation' motive in everything.first of all, noone, no country on the face of the planet would want to be american corporations' bitch in regard to intellectual property and internet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414860</id>
	<title>hard to head up an international cartel these days</title>
	<author>goffster</author>
	<datestamp>1268154960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like to start seeing a G~8</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to start seeing a G ~ 8</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to start seeing a G~8</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414310</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268152920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The EU can portray itself as the hero to the people</p></div><p>You do know EU has a lot different system than US? First theres different political systems in all of their member countries, most of them who actually do have 6-8 different parties that have saying over things. EU doesn't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people, and that's why it will fight ACTA.</p><p>(btw, I've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas, from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you're talking about?)</p><p>Also, are you <i>really</i> serious about us economy being closed? Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore? You can't be serious.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU can portray itself as the hero to the peopleYou do know EU has a lot different system than US ?
First theres different political systems in all of their member countries , most of them who actually do have 6-8 different parties that have saying over things .
EU does n't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people , and that 's why it will fight ACTA .
( btw , I 've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas , from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you 're talking about ?
) Also , are you really serious about us economy being closed ?
Did you forget China and Taiwan , the Indian coders and phone support , even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore ?
You ca n't be serious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU can portray itself as the hero to the peopleYou do know EU has a lot different system than US?
First theres different political systems in all of their member countries, most of them who actually do have 6-8 different parties that have saying over things.
EU doesn't need to portray itself as an hero to the people - it pretty much is the EU people, and that's why it will fight ACTA.
(btw, I've seen you shouting bullshit in many different areas, from running trackers to some china government and now this - do you even know what you're talking about?
)Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed?
Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore?
You can't be serious.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414942</id>
	<title>The demand is weaker than it seems</title>
	<author>H4x0r Jim Duggan</author>
	<datestamp>1268155200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Calling for publication of the text is good.</p><p>The other provisions of this demand are pretty weak.  Some example points:</p><p>#2 - no basis?  Here's the basis: 2008-04-14: EU: negotiating guidelines for ACTA formally adopted by the Council </p><p>#10 - "subsidiarity" etc. - no problem, that's why the EU keeps pushing the words "Those measures, procedures and remedies shall also be effective, proportionate and deterrent" into the ACTA text (see <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/ACTA-6437-10.pdf\_as\_text" title="swpat.org">March 1st leaked draft</a> [swpat.org])</p><p>And the criminal sanctions are EU okay because the treaty will be handed to the member states for implementation.</p><p>Still a great move.  Just don't starting thinking we win with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Calling for publication of the text is good.The other provisions of this demand are pretty weak .
Some example points : # 2 - no basis ?
Here 's the basis : 2008-04-14 : EU : negotiating guidelines for ACTA formally adopted by the Council # 10 - " subsidiarity " etc .
- no problem , that 's why the EU keeps pushing the words " Those measures , procedures and remedies shall also be effective , proportionate and deterrent " into the ACTA text ( see March 1st leaked draft [ swpat.org ] ) And the criminal sanctions are EU okay because the treaty will be handed to the member states for implementation.Still a great move .
Just do n't starting thinking we win with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Calling for publication of the text is good.The other provisions of this demand are pretty weak.
Some example points:#2 - no basis?
Here's the basis: 2008-04-14: EU: negotiating guidelines for ACTA formally adopted by the Council #10 - "subsidiarity" etc.
- no problem, that's why the EU keeps pushing the words "Those measures, procedures and remedies shall also be effective, proportionate and deterrent" into the ACTA text (see March 1st leaked draft [swpat.org])And the criminal sanctions are EU okay because the treaty will be handed to the member states for implementation.Still a great move.
Just don't starting thinking we win with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414578</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1268153940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unlike the US, that has an economy that is mostly closed (despite what you may think, our import/exports make up only a small amount of GDP)</p></div><p>A quarter of the US GDP is in imports and exports. It's not a small amount. Looking at the CIA <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ee.html" title="cia.gov">World Factbook</a> [cia.gov], the EU and US seem to have similar levels of imports and exports (remember interstate trade between EU members doesn't count as imports and exports from the EU itself, else we should count interstate trade between US states as well). I get that the US has 15\% of its GDP in imports and 9\% in exports. The EU has 11\% of its GDP in imports and 13\% of its GDP in exports.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unlike the US , that has an economy that is mostly closed ( despite what you may think , our import/exports make up only a small amount of GDP ) A quarter of the US GDP is in imports and exports .
It 's not a small amount .
Looking at the CIA World Factbook [ cia.gov ] , the EU and US seem to have similar levels of imports and exports ( remember interstate trade between EU members does n't count as imports and exports from the EU itself , else we should count interstate trade between US states as well ) .
I get that the US has 15 \ % of its GDP in imports and 9 \ % in exports .
The EU has 11 \ % of its GDP in imports and 13 \ % of its GDP in exports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unlike the US, that has an economy that is mostly closed (despite what you may think, our import/exports make up only a small amount of GDP)A quarter of the US GDP is in imports and exports.
It's not a small amount.
Looking at the CIA World Factbook [cia.gov], the EU and US seem to have similar levels of imports and exports (remember interstate trade between EU members doesn't count as imports and exports from the EU itself, else we should count interstate trade between US states as well).
I get that the US has 15\% of its GDP in imports and 9\% in exports.
The EU has 11\% of its GDP in imports and 13\% of its GDP in exports.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419770</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Znork</author>
	<datestamp>1268131980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>you'll see a collapse of the US consumer economy as we know it</i></p><p>Of course, a consumer economy is unsustainable either way, as eventually it runs out of suckers who'll lend it money. Expanding an asset inflation bubble is basically just printing money, and someone is going to get stuck with a lot of worthless paper.</p><p><i>because we've abandoned the idea of making goods domestically due to higher costs</i></p><p>Costs such as intellectual 'property' that burden the economy as a whole...</p><p>Ultimately costs would adjust with floating currency tho, but there's a lot of interest in maintaining the gap, at least until the US starts defaulting on its loans to a greater extent. At that point the US consumer may not exactly be interesting any more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you 'll see a collapse of the US consumer economy as we know itOf course , a consumer economy is unsustainable either way , as eventually it runs out of suckers who 'll lend it money .
Expanding an asset inflation bubble is basically just printing money , and someone is going to get stuck with a lot of worthless paper.because we 've abandoned the idea of making goods domestically due to higher costsCosts such as intellectual 'property ' that burden the economy as a whole...Ultimately costs would adjust with floating currency tho , but there 's a lot of interest in maintaining the gap , at least until the US starts defaulting on its loans to a greater extent .
At that point the US consumer may not exactly be interesting any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you'll see a collapse of the US consumer economy as we know itOf course, a consumer economy is unsustainable either way, as eventually it runs out of suckers who'll lend it money.
Expanding an asset inflation bubble is basically just printing money, and someone is going to get stuck with a lot of worthless paper.because we've abandoned the idea of making goods domestically due to higher costsCosts such as intellectual 'property' that burden the economy as a whole...Ultimately costs would adjust with floating currency tho, but there's a lot of interest in maintaining the gap, at least until the US starts defaulting on its loans to a greater extent.
At that point the US consumer may not exactly be interesting any more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414392</id>
	<title>Europe</title>
	<author>Lifyre</author>
	<datestamp>1268153280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.</p><p>Sincerely,<br>USA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.Sincerely,USA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.Sincerely,USA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416080</id>
	<title>Re:Another nonwar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268159340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Because it is war. War can be fought against anything, by any means. Most wars are not against sovereign nations. It's the intent of oppressing your opponent's views/way of life/economic position with force -be it military, economical or political- that makes it war.<br>If the US would ever get their head around this, a big problem on our planet would be solved.<br>Just because people don't get shot (yet) doesn't mean there's no casualties. Millions die in famines caused by US-led economic policies and demands. Those famines were to be expected, but the policies were forced through nonetheless. That constitutes a war on those stricken by any civilized being's standards. Which says something about the US's level of civilization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Because it is war .
War can be fought against anything , by any means .
Most wars are not against sovereign nations .
It 's the intent of oppressing your opponent 's views/way of life/economic position with force -be it military , economical or political- that makes it war.If the US would ever get their head around this , a big problem on our planet would be solved.Just because people do n't get shot ( yet ) does n't mean there 's no casualties .
Millions die in famines caused by US-led economic policies and demands .
Those famines were to be expected , but the policies were forced through nonetheless .
That constitutes a war on those stricken by any civilized being 's standards .
Which says something about the US 's level of civilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Because it is war.
War can be fought against anything, by any means.
Most wars are not against sovereign nations.
It's the intent of oppressing your opponent's views/way of life/economic position with force -be it military, economical or political- that makes it war.If the US would ever get their head around this, a big problem on our planet would be solved.Just because people don't get shot (yet) doesn't mean there's no casualties.
Millions die in famines caused by US-led economic policies and demands.
Those famines were to be expected, but the policies were forced through nonetheless.
That constitutes a war on those stricken by any civilized being's standards.
Which says something about the US's level of civilization.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416984</id>
	<title>A little disturbing...</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1268163420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That the UE will be the force that compels opening up this process.</p><p>The U.S. should be, but our current Administration is acting, well, frankly, as I would expect a European administration to.  No offense intended.</p><p>Go for it, EU!  We need someone to step up and deal with this.  Legislation crafted in secret is kept secret for a reason, and that reason is never in the best interest of the people.</p><p>We have fallen in the U.S.  We've let this Administration go much too far in the wrong directions.  At least with ACTA, we may yet prevail, with a little help from our friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That the UE will be the force that compels opening up this process.The U.S. should be , but our current Administration is acting , well , frankly , as I would expect a European administration to .
No offense intended.Go for it , EU !
We need someone to step up and deal with this .
Legislation crafted in secret is kept secret for a reason , and that reason is never in the best interest of the people.We have fallen in the U.S. We 've let this Administration go much too far in the wrong directions .
At least with ACTA , we may yet prevail , with a little help from our friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That the UE will be the force that compels opening up this process.The U.S. should be, but our current Administration is acting, well, frankly, as I would expect a European administration to.
No offense intended.Go for it, EU!
We need someone to step up and deal with this.
Legislation crafted in secret is kept secret for a reason, and that reason is never in the best interest of the people.We have fallen in the U.S.  We've let this Administration go much too far in the wrong directions.
At least with ACTA, we may yet prevail, with a little help from our friends.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414590</id>
	<title>mod up parent, mod down grandparent</title>
	<author>openfrog</author>
	<datestamp>1268154000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moderators please read the parent before modding up the grandparent. The grandparent starts well reflecting on national interests and then veers into total nonsense.</p><p>The EU parliament is waking up to a serious threat to democracies everywhere and this is a case for us to acknowledge them wearing pants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moderators please read the parent before modding up the grandparent .
The grandparent starts well reflecting on national interests and then veers into total nonsense.The EU parliament is waking up to a serious threat to democracies everywhere and this is a case for us to acknowledge them wearing pants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moderators please read the parent before modding up the grandparent.
The grandparent starts well reflecting on national interests and then veers into total nonsense.The EU parliament is waking up to a serious threat to democracies everywhere and this is a case for us to acknowledge them wearing pants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419628</id>
	<title>Re:Tabled?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268131380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Whose "tabled" is that? Is that "brought forward" or "set aside"?</p></div><p>AFAICT, it is only in the USA that "tabled" is used to mean "set aside". Everywhere else that I know of it means "put on the agenda to be discussed".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whose " tabled " is that ?
Is that " brought forward " or " set aside " ? AFAICT , it is only in the USA that " tabled " is used to mean " set aside " .
Everywhere else that I know of it means " put on the agenda to be discussed " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Whose "tabled" is that?
Is that "brought forward" or "set aside"?AFAICT, it is only in the USA that "tabled" is used to mean "set aside".
Everywhere else that I know of it means "put on the agenda to be discussed".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414136</id>
	<title>Americans and Europeans</title>
	<author>Akido37</author>
	<datestamp>1268152260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For all the anti-European sentiment here in the United States, specifically against France, it's ironic that we're becoming more dependent on them protecting our civil liberties. <br> <br>

If they don't do it, our government (no matter what Administration) surely won't do it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all the anti-European sentiment here in the United States , specifically against France , it 's ironic that we 're becoming more dependent on them protecting our civil liberties .
If they do n't do it , our government ( no matter what Administration ) surely wo n't do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all the anti-European sentiment here in the United States, specifically against France, it's ironic that we're becoming more dependent on them protecting our civil liberties.
If they don't do it, our government (no matter what Administration) surely won't do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414520</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>JaumPaw</author>
	<datestamp>1268153760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, are you <i>really</i> serious about us economy being closed? Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore? You can't be serious.</p></div><p>Subcontracting/off-shoring doesn't say anything about something being open or not.<br>They may cause leaks, but they can also be made to comply with arbitrary corporate bylaws.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , are you really serious about us economy being closed ?
Did you forget China and Taiwan , the Indian coders and phone support , even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore ?
You ca n't be serious.Subcontracting/off-shoring does n't say anything about something being open or not.They may cause leaks , but they can also be made to comply with arbitrary corporate bylaws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed?
Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore?
You can't be serious.Subcontracting/off-shoring doesn't say anything about something being open or not.They may cause leaks, but they can also be made to comply with arbitrary corporate bylaws.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414310</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415888</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268158620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>No, I think the EU is doing this as an act of self-preservation.</p></div></blockquote><p>I've done my fair share of BS'ing/armchair-punditry, but I have to say that this is either grossly naive or overgeneralized. France under Sarkozy has been pushing 3-strikes legislation aggressively, even though it keeps getting killed in court.</p><p>And if the US backs out of its FTAs, that'd be akin to committing economic policy seppuku. Another commenter mentioned China, but do you realize how much we're interdependent with East Asia in general? 90\%+ of the components you used to comment were either made there (China) or designed by a firm in that region (Samsung, LG, Sony, Asus, etc. etc. etc.). Now imagine what would happen if the US even thinks about going protectionist on these guys-- you'll see a collapse of the US consumer economy as we know it, because we've abandoned the idea of making goods domestically due to higher costs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , I think the EU is doing this as an act of self-preservation.I 've done my fair share of BS'ing/armchair-punditry , but I have to say that this is either grossly naive or overgeneralized .
France under Sarkozy has been pushing 3-strikes legislation aggressively , even though it keeps getting killed in court.And if the US backs out of its FTAs , that 'd be akin to committing economic policy seppuku .
Another commenter mentioned China , but do you realize how much we 're interdependent with East Asia in general ?
90 \ % + of the components you used to comment were either made there ( China ) or designed by a firm in that region ( Samsung , LG , Sony , Asus , etc .
etc. etc. ) .
Now imagine what would happen if the US even thinks about going protectionist on these guys-- you 'll see a collapse of the US consumer economy as we know it , because we 've abandoned the idea of making goods domestically due to higher costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, I think the EU is doing this as an act of self-preservation.I've done my fair share of BS'ing/armchair-punditry, but I have to say that this is either grossly naive or overgeneralized.
France under Sarkozy has been pushing 3-strikes legislation aggressively, even though it keeps getting killed in court.And if the US backs out of its FTAs, that'd be akin to committing economic policy seppuku.
Another commenter mentioned China, but do you realize how much we're interdependent with East Asia in general?
90\%+ of the components you used to comment were either made there (China) or designed by a firm in that region (Samsung, LG, Sony, Asus, etc.
etc. etc.).
Now imagine what would happen if the US even thinks about going protectionist on these guys-- you'll see a collapse of the US consumer economy as we know it, because we've abandoned the idea of making goods domestically due to higher costs.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414456</id>
	<title>Kudos  European Parliament</title>
	<author>realsilly</author>
	<datestamp>1268153460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The secrecy behind this act is insane.  People have the right to Fair Use.  And our Constitution and Bill of Right are meant to protect the people.  Companies are not People, and that what this ACTA seems to be protecting, the bottom line of profit.   Kudos European Parliament!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The secrecy behind this act is insane .
People have the right to Fair Use .
And our Constitution and Bill of Right are meant to protect the people .
Companies are not People , and that what this ACTA seems to be protecting , the bottom line of profit .
Kudos European Parliament !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The secrecy behind this act is insane.
People have the right to Fair Use.
And our Constitution and Bill of Right are meant to protect the people.
Companies are not People, and that what this ACTA seems to be protecting, the bottom line of profit.
Kudos European Parliament!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31417560</id>
	<title>Re:Another nonwar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268165820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>War on nonwar! Get the tanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>War on nonwar !
Get the tanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>War on nonwar!
Get the tanks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31421208</id>
	<title>If it's so bad</title>
	<author>noz</author>
	<datestamp>1268139720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why sign it at all?????????</p><p>Classic formula: introduce oppressive legislation; remove unpopular items due to public outrage; pass the rest into an act of law.</p><p>How about NO ACTA?!?!?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why sign it at all ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? Classic formula : introduce oppressive legislation ; remove unpopular items due to public outrage ; pass the rest into an act of law.How about NO ACTA ? ! ? ! ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why sign it at all????????
?Classic formula: introduce oppressive legislation; remove unpopular items due to public outrage; pass the rest into an act of law.How about NO ACTA?!?!?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414492</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268153580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finally the EU does something \_for\_ the people!<br>
(aside from money flowing to everywhere except to my country)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally the EU does something \ _for \ _ the people !
( aside from money flowing to everywhere except to my country )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally the EU does something \_for\_ the people!
(aside from money flowing to everywhere except to my country)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416268</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Heed00</author>
	<datestamp>1268160060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We weren't talking about the price of tea in China. We were discussing why the ACTA is being fought by the European Union. Please stay on topic.</p></div><p>It only looks off topic if you quote your interlocutor out of context. Let's look at the actual context:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed? Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore? You can't be serious.</p></div><p>Which was in response to this:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Unlike the US, that has an economy that is mostly closed...</p></div><p>Claiming to be subject to a violation of logic (an Ad Homin<b>e</b>m) on the one hand, but then blatantly quoting out of context on the other in order to deliver a snide and condescending reply is really inconsistent -- <i>at best</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We were n't talking about the price of tea in China .
We were discussing why the ACTA is being fought by the European Union .
Please stay on topic.It only looks off topic if you quote your interlocutor out of context .
Let 's look at the actual context : Also , are you really serious about us economy being closed ?
Did you forget China and Taiwan , the Indian coders and phone support , even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore ?
You ca n't be serious.Which was in response to this : Unlike the US , that has an economy that is mostly closed...Claiming to be subject to a violation of logic ( an Ad Hominem ) on the one hand , but then blatantly quoting out of context on the other in order to deliver a snide and condescending reply is really inconsistent -- at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We weren't talking about the price of tea in China.
We were discussing why the ACTA is being fought by the European Union.
Please stay on topic.It only looks off topic if you quote your interlocutor out of context.
Let's look at the actual context:Also, are you really serious about us economy being closed?
Did you forget China and Taiwan, the Indian coders and phone support, even us mail manual processing being offshored to Singapore?
You can't be serious.Which was in response to this:Unlike the US, that has an economy that is mostly closed...Claiming to be subject to a violation of logic (an Ad Hominem) on the one hand, but then blatantly quoting out of context on the other in order to deliver a snide and condescending reply is really inconsistent -- at best.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416244</id>
	<title>Re:Another nonwar</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268160000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You got it the wrong way around. Those ideas are not what we actually declared &ldquo;war&rdquo; on. But the people behind them.</p><p>And I think a real actual war with weapons and all, against the ACTA-proponents, would be a good thing. Ok, it would only last about half a day, and then everyone from the MAFIAA would be shot... But hey, it would still be worth it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got it the wrong way around .
Those ideas are not what we actually declared    war    on .
But the people behind them.And I think a real actual war with weapons and all , against the ACTA-proponents , would be a good thing .
Ok , it would only last about half a day , and then everyone from the MAFIAA would be shot... But hey , it would still be worth it .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got it the wrong way around.
Those ideas are not what we actually declared “war” on.
But the people behind them.And I think a real actual war with weapons and all, against the ACTA-proponents, would be a good thing.
Ok, it would only last about half a day, and then everyone from the MAFIAA would be shot... But hey, it would still be worth it.
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31417064</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268163720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your problem is, you're totally confusing the EU as a whole - and the Commission in particular - with the Parliament.<br>The Parliament grabs more and more power, but is still considered a tack-on by the EU Governments and the Commission.</p><p>The Parlamentarians are voted into office, and if they just "go with the flow" - as you suggest - they will be voted out in the next election. They don't want that - the benefits are quite good by European standards, and most of them are not rich to start with.</p><p>It's not a good system, but it sort of resembles democracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your problem is , you 're totally confusing the EU as a whole - and the Commission in particular - with the Parliament.The Parliament grabs more and more power , but is still considered a tack-on by the EU Governments and the Commission.The Parlamentarians are voted into office , and if they just " go with the flow " - as you suggest - they will be voted out in the next election .
They do n't want that - the benefits are quite good by European standards , and most of them are not rich to start with.It 's not a good system , but it sort of resembles democracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your problem is, you're totally confusing the EU as a whole - and the Commission in particular - with the Parliament.The Parliament grabs more and more power, but is still considered a tack-on by the EU Governments and the Commission.The Parlamentarians are voted into office, and if they just "go with the flow" - as you suggest - they will be voted out in the next election.
They don't want that - the benefits are quite good by European standards, and most of them are not rich to start with.It's not a good system, but it sort of resembles democracy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414194</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416920</id>
	<title>Valid points but</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1268163120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure I really want an essentially Parliamentarian system, where someone in a six-party coalition gets in a snit and boom: the government falls apart.  But you are so very right when it comes to the subject of IP and the Content Lords: both Red and Blue partys are the same color - servile corporate yellow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure I really want an essentially Parliamentarian system , where someone in a six-party coalition gets in a snit and boom : the government falls apart .
But you are so very right when it comes to the subject of IP and the Content Lords : both Red and Blue partys are the same color - servile corporate yellow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure I really want an essentially Parliamentarian system, where someone in a six-party coalition gets in a snit and boom: the government falls apart.
But you are so very right when it comes to the subject of IP and the Content Lords: both Red and Blue partys are the same color - servile corporate yellow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414940</id>
	<title>Re:And the US is .. leading the PUSH for ACTA ...</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1268155200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yep, and at the time, the US was NOT the major power player in the world. Nowadays, the US has buy-in to the current system. Everyone from the politicians to the homeless folk on the streets have something to lose if the status quo changes in any significant manner. That said, rather than be the cocky young new kid on the block, that can try new things and write strongly worded declarations denouncing the old way of doing things, the US has grown into the upper management, middle aged, slick haired fellow that will screw you for a dollar, not out of maliciousness, but out of a desire for the preservation of his own way of life.
<br> <br>
Once a country has something to lose, they will fight damn hard to keep it.
<br> <br>
The US has a lot to lose these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , and at the time , the US was NOT the major power player in the world .
Nowadays , the US has buy-in to the current system .
Everyone from the politicians to the homeless folk on the streets have something to lose if the status quo changes in any significant manner .
That said , rather than be the cocky young new kid on the block , that can try new things and write strongly worded declarations denouncing the old way of doing things , the US has grown into the upper management , middle aged , slick haired fellow that will screw you for a dollar , not out of maliciousness , but out of a desire for the preservation of his own way of life .
Once a country has something to lose , they will fight damn hard to keep it .
The US has a lot to lose these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, and at the time, the US was NOT the major power player in the world.
Nowadays, the US has buy-in to the current system.
Everyone from the politicians to the homeless folk on the streets have something to lose if the status quo changes in any significant manner.
That said, rather than be the cocky young new kid on the block, that can try new things and write strongly worded declarations denouncing the old way of doing things, the US has grown into the upper management, middle aged, slick haired fellow that will screw you for a dollar, not out of maliciousness, but out of a desire for the preservation of his own way of life.
Once a country has something to lose, they will fight damn hard to keep it.
The US has a lot to lose these days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419382</id>
	<title>Re:Americans and Europeans</title>
	<author>Schmorgluck</author>
	<datestamp>1268130300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You want irony? I, as a French, am thankful of the efforts of the EP to protect my civil liberties against my country's current government.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You want irony ?
I , as a French , am thankful of the efforts of the EP to protect my civil liberties against my country 's current government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want irony?
I, as a French, am thankful of the efforts of the EP to protect my civil liberties against my country's current government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419536</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268130900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Europeans get it, finally.  Hopefully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Europeans get it , finally .
Hopefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Europeans get it, finally.
Hopefully.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414194</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268152440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My image towards EU has growth a lot with this.</p></div><p>*cough* No, I think the EU is doing this as an act of self-preservation. Unlike the US, that has an economy that is mostly closed (despite what you may think, our import/exports make up only a small amount of GDP), most of the EU has an open economy. The ACTA would screw them a lot harder than the United States. The US is just looking for a way to justify backing out of various free trade agreements and the ACTA is basically a way of us adding tariffs to our imported/exported <i>services</i> by creating artificial marketplaces while maintaining the illusion that we're all about free trade. We've created an artificial division between goods and services because our economy has transitioned from producing goods to producing services. It's in our best interests, financially, to create an artificial framework now to ensure we'll get our cut when other countries' economies transition to this as well -- basically continuing the long-standing tradition of passing the production to poor countries and living on top of them by providing the services and support that ultimately control the means of production.</p><p>Quite clever, don't you think? The EU can portray itself as the hero to the people, but it's only delaying the ACTA and similar acts -- once its economy gets closer to being representative of the US model, it'll quietly resurrect. So they get to be heroes today, and tomorrow they're just "going with the flow", portraying it as the inevitable price we have to pay for economic progress.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My image towards EU has growth a lot with this .
* cough * No , I think the EU is doing this as an act of self-preservation .
Unlike the US , that has an economy that is mostly closed ( despite what you may think , our import/exports make up only a small amount of GDP ) , most of the EU has an open economy .
The ACTA would screw them a lot harder than the United States .
The US is just looking for a way to justify backing out of various free trade agreements and the ACTA is basically a way of us adding tariffs to our imported/exported services by creating artificial marketplaces while maintaining the illusion that we 're all about free trade .
We 've created an artificial division between goods and services because our economy has transitioned from producing goods to producing services .
It 's in our best interests , financially , to create an artificial framework now to ensure we 'll get our cut when other countries ' economies transition to this as well -- basically continuing the long-standing tradition of passing the production to poor countries and living on top of them by providing the services and support that ultimately control the means of production.Quite clever , do n't you think ?
The EU can portray itself as the hero to the people , but it 's only delaying the ACTA and similar acts -- once its economy gets closer to being representative of the US model , it 'll quietly resurrect .
So they get to be heroes today , and tomorrow they 're just " going with the flow " , portraying it as the inevitable price we have to pay for economic progress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My image towards EU has growth a lot with this.
*cough* No, I think the EU is doing this as an act of self-preservation.
Unlike the US, that has an economy that is mostly closed (despite what you may think, our import/exports make up only a small amount of GDP), most of the EU has an open economy.
The ACTA would screw them a lot harder than the United States.
The US is just looking for a way to justify backing out of various free trade agreements and the ACTA is basically a way of us adding tariffs to our imported/exported services by creating artificial marketplaces while maintaining the illusion that we're all about free trade.
We've created an artificial division between goods and services because our economy has transitioned from producing goods to producing services.
It's in our best interests, financially, to create an artificial framework now to ensure we'll get our cut when other countries' economies transition to this as well -- basically continuing the long-standing tradition of passing the production to poor countries and living on top of them by providing the services and support that ultimately control the means of production.Quite clever, don't you think?
The EU can portray itself as the hero to the people, but it's only delaying the ACTA and similar acts -- once its economy gets closer to being representative of the US model, it'll quietly resurrect.
So they get to be heroes today, and tomorrow they're just "going with the flow", portraying it as the inevitable price we have to pay for economic progress.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416846</id>
	<title>Re:Kudos European Parliament</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1268162820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Companies have been running our government(s) for a while now. The natural result is that the government and the laws it enforces are creating conditions pushing the people into the role of servants / slaves of the companies. It is true that companies are also made of people, too. So, we see different conditions for the people who stay on top of the companies.</p><p>The superrich live in a world of incredible healthcare, luxury, super high quality products, food, services. The rest of us fall towards slavery, pollution, bad or lacking healthcare etc.</p><p>You get the picture. Tendencies haven't changed since the Roman Empire, or earlier.</p><p>What is different now is that never have we been so well informed or educated. I think we have a chance to enforce change in these tendencies, once and for all. <a href="http://www.realitysandwich.com/money\_a\_new\_beginning" title="realitysandwich.com">Changing Money from a tool for enslavement to a measure of gratitude could be a good beginning</a> [realitysandwich.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Companies have been running our government ( s ) for a while now .
The natural result is that the government and the laws it enforces are creating conditions pushing the people into the role of servants / slaves of the companies .
It is true that companies are also made of people , too .
So , we see different conditions for the people who stay on top of the companies.The superrich live in a world of incredible healthcare , luxury , super high quality products , food , services .
The rest of us fall towards slavery , pollution , bad or lacking healthcare etc.You get the picture .
Tendencies have n't changed since the Roman Empire , or earlier.What is different now is that never have we been so well informed or educated .
I think we have a chance to enforce change in these tendencies , once and for all .
Changing Money from a tool for enslavement to a measure of gratitude could be a good beginning [ realitysandwich.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Companies have been running our government(s) for a while now.
The natural result is that the government and the laws it enforces are creating conditions pushing the people into the role of servants / slaves of the companies.
It is true that companies are also made of people, too.
So, we see different conditions for the people who stay on top of the companies.The superrich live in a world of incredible healthcare, luxury, super high quality products, food, services.
The rest of us fall towards slavery, pollution, bad or lacking healthcare etc.You get the picture.
Tendencies haven't changed since the Roman Empire, or earlier.What is different now is that never have we been so well informed or educated.
I think we have a chance to enforce change in these tendencies, once and for all.
Changing Money from a tool for enslavement to a measure of gratitude could be a good beginning [realitysandwich.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414456</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31418336</id>
	<title>Re:Another nonwar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268125920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. I think<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. should declare war on declaring war on ideas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I think / .
should declare war on declaring war on ideas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I think /.
should declare war on declaring war on ideas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31416680</id>
	<title>We all have to back Eu Parliament in this one.</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1268162040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i told you Eu parliament wouldnt stand for this.</p><p>now we all need to gather behind the parliament, regardless who and where are we from. american and belgian, swedish or italian. even hindu, japanese, brasilian.</p><p>if you are from Eu or from an Eu candidate status country, you can officially petition European Parliament. this is a legal right. you can do it online, or you can do it with snail mail, as long as you put your name, address correctly. they all are valid and processed.</p><p>here is the link to official petition information page of Eu parliament :<br><a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=49" title="europa.eu">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=49</a> [europa.eu]</p><p>in decades now, a parliament is acting on people's behalf with no agenda. support your parliament.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i told you Eu parliament wouldnt stand for this.now we all need to gather behind the parliament , regardless who and where are we from .
american and belgian , swedish or italian .
even hindu , japanese , brasilian.if you are from Eu or from an Eu candidate status country , you can officially petition European Parliament .
this is a legal right .
you can do it online , or you can do it with snail mail , as long as you put your name , address correctly .
they all are valid and processed.here is the link to official petition information page of Eu parliament : http : //www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do ? id = 49 [ europa.eu ] in decades now , a parliament is acting on people 's behalf with no agenda .
support your parliament .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i told you Eu parliament wouldnt stand for this.now we all need to gather behind the parliament, regardless who and where are we from.
american and belgian, swedish or italian.
even hindu, japanese, brasilian.if you are from Eu or from an Eu candidate status country, you can officially petition European Parliament.
this is a legal right.
you can do it online, or you can do it with snail mail, as long as you put your name, address correctly.
they all are valid and processed.here is the link to official petition information page of Eu parliament :http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=49 [europa.eu]in decades now, a parliament is acting on people's behalf with no agenda.
support your parliament.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414454</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268153460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your theory fails on account of it assuming some centralized leadership that is actually able to coordinate all these manoeuvres so as to make the false impression that they are acting on behalf of the people of the EU, at least for the time being.</p><p>You have to take my word for it that 'the' EU as such does not exist, nor that it is lead in such a coherent fashion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your theory fails on account of it assuming some centralized leadership that is actually able to coordinate all these manoeuvres so as to make the false impression that they are acting on behalf of the people of the EU , at least for the time being.You have to take my word for it that 'the ' EU as such does not exist , nor that it is lead in such a coherent fashion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your theory fails on account of it assuming some centralized leadership that is actually able to coordinate all these manoeuvres so as to make the false impression that they are acting on behalf of the people of the EU, at least for the time being.You have to take my word for it that 'the' EU as such does not exist, nor that it is lead in such a coherent fashion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31421598</id>
	<title>Progress?!</title>
	<author>KwKSilver</author>
	<datestamp>1268142120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny that you think that a services-only economy is progress.  Really?  Suppose China refuses to export <i>anything</i> to the US?  The shelves at Wal-Mart are gonna get real bare, real fast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny that you think that a services-only economy is progress .
Really ? Suppose China refuses to export anything to the US ?
The shelves at Wal-Mart are gon na get real bare , real fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny that you think that a services-only economy is progress.
Really?  Suppose China refuses to export anything to the US?
The shelves at Wal-Mart are gonna get real bare, real fast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31419846</id>
	<title>Re:Another nonwar</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1268132280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can we please stop saying we're declaring war on things that aren't sovereign nations?</p><p>Let's <em>especially stop</em> if they're ideas, conferences, or pieces of paper.</p></div><p>But what if I'm rolling my panzer divisions across Europe to literally shoot holes in a piece of paper?  What would you call that, huh?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we please stop saying we 're declaring war on things that are n't sovereign nations ? Let 's especially stop if they 're ideas , conferences , or pieces of paper.But what if I 'm rolling my panzer divisions across Europe to literally shoot holes in a piece of paper ?
What would you call that , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we please stop saying we're declaring war on things that aren't sovereign nations?Let's especially stop if they're ideas, conferences, or pieces of paper.But what if I'm rolling my panzer divisions across Europe to literally shoot holes in a piece of paper?
What would you call that, huh?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415454</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ad hominim attacks will get you nowhere.</p></div><p>Asking if you know what you're talking about is not an ad hominim attack, but thanks for trying to grasp at straws.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ad hominim attacks will get you nowhere.Asking if you know what you 're talking about is not an ad hominim attack , but thanks for trying to grasp at straws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ad hominim attacks will get you nowhere.Asking if you know what you're talking about is not an ad hominim attack, but thanks for trying to grasp at straws.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415220</id>
	<title>Re:Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1268156100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We can all hope, but frankly there is no sign of change on the horizon just yet. The 2 party system is seriously f'ed up and until that is fixed, well... not much will change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We can all hope , but frankly there is no sign of change on the horizon just yet .
The 2 party system is seriously f'ed up and until that is fixed , well... not much will change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can all hope, but frankly there is no sign of change on the horizon just yet.
The 2 party system is seriously f'ed up and until that is fixed, well... not much will change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414480</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268153580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not a struggle EU vs. someone else, it's between the various branches within Europe.</p><p>The EU Parliament gained additional privileges in December, and they're eager to use them now, while the EU Commissions feel like they can go on like before. It's an act of self-preservation of the EP as a relevant entity in the European framework. If they don't make sure they get their say in these agreement now (no matter what the outcome), they're mostly irrelevant again.</p><p>This is not about eliminating ACTA, but about the secrecy around it. The EP's main gripe is that someone is representing Europe without a mandate or accountability, to create a deal that the EP is eventually asked to sign. And guess what the arguments will be once ACTA is at that stage:<br>1. "You have to sign this, or the international community will not consider the EU a reasonable partner"<br>2. Just look what the US did with the SWIFT agreement (ambassadors etc. stalking our representatives)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a struggle EU vs. someone else , it 's between the various branches within Europe.The EU Parliament gained additional privileges in December , and they 're eager to use them now , while the EU Commissions feel like they can go on like before .
It 's an act of self-preservation of the EP as a relevant entity in the European framework .
If they do n't make sure they get their say in these agreement now ( no matter what the outcome ) , they 're mostly irrelevant again.This is not about eliminating ACTA , but about the secrecy around it .
The EP 's main gripe is that someone is representing Europe without a mandate or accountability , to create a deal that the EP is eventually asked to sign .
And guess what the arguments will be once ACTA is at that stage : 1 .
" You have to sign this , or the international community will not consider the EU a reasonable partner " 2 .
Just look what the US did with the SWIFT agreement ( ambassadors etc .
stalking our representatives )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a struggle EU vs. someone else, it's between the various branches within Europe.The EU Parliament gained additional privileges in December, and they're eager to use them now, while the EU Commissions feel like they can go on like before.
It's an act of self-preservation of the EP as a relevant entity in the European framework.
If they don't make sure they get their say in these agreement now (no matter what the outcome), they're mostly irrelevant again.This is not about eliminating ACTA, but about the secrecy around it.
The EP's main gripe is that someone is representing Europe without a mandate or accountability, to create a deal that the EP is eventually asked to sign.
And guess what the arguments will be once ACTA is at that stage:1.
"You have to sign this, or the international community will not consider the EU a reasonable partner"2.
Just look what the US did with the SWIFT agreement (ambassadors etc.
stalking our representatives)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414308</id>
	<title>How about we just kill ACTA?</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1268152920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why it's necessary.  Any compromise reached will just be another stepping stone in their agenda and they will be one step closer then, even if they get frustrated momentarily without total passage.</p><p>What's the old adage about bargaining - start way higher than your actual goals and then during negotiations inch lower on your demands but at least you end up with what you wanted.  But at least with a negotiation, both sides get something they need and want.  What are we getting in return that we don't already have?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why it 's necessary .
Any compromise reached will just be another stepping stone in their agenda and they will be one step closer then , even if they get frustrated momentarily without total passage.What 's the old adage about bargaining - start way higher than your actual goals and then during negotiations inch lower on your demands but at least you end up with what you wanted .
But at least with a negotiation , both sides get something they need and want .
What are we getting in return that we do n't already have ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why it's necessary.
Any compromise reached will just be another stepping stone in their agenda and they will be one step closer then, even if they get frustrated momentarily without total passage.What's the old adage about bargaining - start way higher than your actual goals and then during negotiations inch lower on your demands but at least you end up with what you wanted.
But at least with a negotiation, both sides get something they need and want.
What are we getting in return that we don't already have?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415210</id>
	<title>Re:Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268156100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The multiparty systems exists in many countries, especially here in the EU.<br>And I'm sad to say that a lot of bull STILL gets passed, because for an extended period of time, several parties who jointly have a majority simply agree what laws are to be passed. It's no different than the two party system. In fact, on many levels it's WORSE, because now you have 3-4 parties who all wants a piece of the action, so everything is a compromise. And is they ever agree on something, its a political hot potatoe, and any legislation passed in a hurry is crap because noone considers the consequences.</p><p>The only real upside is that voters CAN actually "punish" their party by voting for a different party with largly the same views, so you dont have to go from one extreme to the other. Thus its slightly more democratic, and equally bad<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The multiparty systems exists in many countries , especially here in the EU.And I 'm sad to say that a lot of bull STILL gets passed , because for an extended period of time , several parties who jointly have a majority simply agree what laws are to be passed .
It 's no different than the two party system .
In fact , on many levels it 's WORSE , because now you have 3-4 parties who all wants a piece of the action , so everything is a compromise .
And is they ever agree on something , its a political hot potatoe , and any legislation passed in a hurry is crap because noone considers the consequences.The only real upside is that voters CAN actually " punish " their party by voting for a different party with largly the same views , so you dont have to go from one extreme to the other .
Thus its slightly more democratic , and equally bad ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The multiparty systems exists in many countries, especially here in the EU.And I'm sad to say that a lot of bull STILL gets passed, because for an extended period of time, several parties who jointly have a majority simply agree what laws are to be passed.
It's no different than the two party system.
In fact, on many levels it's WORSE, because now you have 3-4 parties who all wants a piece of the action, so everything is a compromise.
And is they ever agree on something, its a political hot potatoe, and any legislation passed in a hurry is crap because noone considers the consequences.The only real upside is that voters CAN actually "punish" their party by voting for a different party with largly the same views, so you dont have to go from one extreme to the other.
Thus its slightly more democratic, and equally bad ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31418004</id>
	<title>Re:Go Canada and the EU</title>
	<author>myowntrueself</author>
	<datestamp>1268167920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes, I'm an American and I find it fantastic that Canada and the EP have a damn head on their shoulders.</p></div><p>Maybe not so much 'head on their shoulders' as 'balls between their legs'.</p><p>The EP has 'grown a pair'.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I 'm an American and I find it fantastic that Canada and the EP have a damn head on their shoulders.Maybe not so much 'head on their shoulders ' as 'balls between their legs'.The EP has 'grown a pair' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I'm an American and I find it fantastic that Canada and the EP have a damn head on their shoulders.Maybe not so much 'head on their shoulders' as 'balls between their legs'.The EP has 'grown a pair'.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414624</id>
	<title>Re:Kudos European Parliament</title>
	<author>Vapula</author>
	<datestamp>1268154120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well, it's up to you (in USA) to push for SHORTER copyright terms... Vote with your wallet, write to your local politicians, organise some big MPAA hit boycott,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>At first, copyright was about a SHORT LIMITED TIME, now, it's longer and longer... with the clear intent to make it infinite...</p><p>It's up to you to push for a ban on stupid patents... Explain to other that if they have to pay more for their MP3/camera/... it's because of the so many patent fees on trivial or outdated technologies... I'd say that for everything computer-related, max patent duration should be 1 or 2 year... That's the rate at which most computer technologies become more or less obsolete...</p><p>It's up to you to say no to the removal of HQ on analog signals on TV/DVD/BluRay/... and to say no to the enforcement of HDCP and removal of analog signal later... Unless you want that your equipment becomes obsolete and you had to replace it...</p><p>It's up to you to shake your legal system, to prevent bullies (oops... corporation) from dragging court process until the other part can't pay for court and attorneys fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well , it 's up to you ( in USA ) to push for SHORTER copyright terms... Vote with your wallet , write to your local politicians , organise some big MPAA hit boycott , ...At first , copyright was about a SHORT LIMITED TIME , now , it 's longer and longer... with the clear intent to make it infinite...It 's up to you to push for a ban on stupid patents... Explain to other that if they have to pay more for their MP3/camera/... it 's because of the so many patent fees on trivial or outdated technologies... I 'd say that for everything computer-related , max patent duration should be 1 or 2 year... That 's the rate at which most computer technologies become more or less obsolete...It 's up to you to say no to the removal of HQ on analog signals on TV/DVD/BluRay/... and to say no to the enforcement of HDCP and removal of analog signal later... Unless you want that your equipment becomes obsolete and you had to replace it...It 's up to you to shake your legal system , to prevent bullies ( oops... corporation ) from dragging court process until the other part ca n't pay for court and attorneys fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well, it's up to you (in USA) to push for SHORTER copyright terms... Vote with your wallet, write to your local politicians, organise some big MPAA hit boycott, ...At first, copyright was about a SHORT LIMITED TIME, now, it's longer and longer... with the clear intent to make it infinite...It's up to you to push for a ban on stupid patents... Explain to other that if they have to pay more for their MP3/camera/... it's because of the so many patent fees on trivial or outdated technologies... I'd say that for everything computer-related, max patent duration should be 1 or 2 year... That's the rate at which most computer technologies become more or less obsolete...It's up to you to say no to the removal of HQ on analog signals on TV/DVD/BluRay/... and to say no to the enforcement of HDCP and removal of analog signal later... Unless you want that your equipment becomes obsolete and you had to replace it...It's up to you to shake your legal system, to prevent bullies (oops... corporation) from dragging court process until the other part can't pay for court and attorneys fees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31425342</id>
	<title>Re:It's embarrassing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268232420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should meet some Americans for support. They are used to what you find so embarrassing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should meet some Americans for support .
They are used to what you find so embarrassing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should meet some Americans for support.
They are used to what you find so embarrassing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415118</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>TheCycoONE</author>
	<datestamp>1268155740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He didn't say anything about being pro-liberal.  He may be NDP or Green, both of which would be undeniably unlike Bush.  If anything his anti-American sentiment and extreme distaste for proroguing parliament would lead me to believe he was a supporter of the Canadian Action Party.</p><p>We don't have a two party system here, so you can't assume that because you're against Evil1 that you're automatically in support of Evil2.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_federal\_political\_parties\_in\_Canada" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_federal\_political\_parties\_in\_Canada</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/" title="canadianactionparty.ca">http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/</a> [canadianactionparty.ca]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He did n't say anything about being pro-liberal .
He may be NDP or Green , both of which would be undeniably unlike Bush .
If anything his anti-American sentiment and extreme distaste for proroguing parliament would lead me to believe he was a supporter of the Canadian Action Party.We do n't have a two party system here , so you ca n't assume that because you 're against Evil1 that you 're automatically in support of Evil2.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _federal \ _political \ _parties \ _in \ _Canada [ wikipedia.org ] http : //www.canadianactionparty.ca/ [ canadianactionparty.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He didn't say anything about being pro-liberal.
He may be NDP or Green, both of which would be undeniably unlike Bush.
If anything his anti-American sentiment and extreme distaste for proroguing parliament would lead me to believe he was a supporter of the Canadian Action Party.We don't have a two party system here, so you can't assume that because you're against Evil1 that you're automatically in support of Evil2.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_federal\_political\_parties\_in\_Canada [wikipedia.org]http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/ [canadianactionparty.ca]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31414278</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>HungryHobo</author>
	<datestamp>1268152740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do know that many of the richest EU countries base their economies heavily on providing servies already?<br>We're not all ignorant savages outside the US.<br>The service sector is the dominant sector of the UK economy and also many of the other big rich EU countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know that many of the richest EU countries base their economies heavily on providing servies already ? We 're not all ignorant savages outside the US.The service sector is the dominant sector of the UK economy and also many of the other big rich EU countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know that many of the richest EU countries base their economies heavily on providing servies already?We're not all ignorant savages outside the US.The service sector is the dominant sector of the UK economy and also many of the other big rich EU countries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_1427217.31415904</id>
	<title>Re:ACTA</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1268158680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>basically continuing the long-standing tradition of passing the production to poor countries and living on top of them by providing the services and support that ultimately control the means of production.</p></div><p>I think you may have made a typo when you tried to write "basically continuing the long-standing tradition of providing poor countries with the means of production and massively closing the gap between their standard of living and ours".  It's ok, it happens.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>basically continuing the long-standing tradition of passing the production to poor countries and living on top of them by providing the services and support that ultimately control the means of production.I think you may have made a typo when you tried to write " basically continuing the long-standing tradition of providing poor countries with the means of production and massively closing the gap between their standard of living and ours " .
It 's ok , it happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>basically continuing the long-standing tradition of passing the production to poor countries and living on top of them by providing the services and support that ultimately control the means of production.I think you may have made a typo when you tried to write "basically continuing the long-standing tradition of providing poor countries with the means of production and massively closing the gap between their standard of living and ours".
It's ok, it happens.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Yay EU</title>
	<author>DinDaddy</author>
	<datestamp>1268158560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe some of our congress corponauts will jump on this bandwagon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe some of our congress corponauts will jump on this bandwagon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe some of our congress corponauts will jump on this bandwagon.</sentencetext>
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