<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_08_1318244</id>
	<title>Edward Tufte Appointed To Help Track and Explain Stimulus Funds</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1268059260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>President Obama recently announced several appointments to the Recovery Independent Advisory Panel, including <a href="http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg\_id=0003e0&amp;topic\_id=1&amp;topic=">data visualization expert Edward Tufte</a>, author of <em>The Visual Display of Quantitative Information</em>. The purpose of the panel is to advise the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, whose aim is "To promote accountability by coordinating and conducting oversight of Recovery funds to prevent fraud, waste, and abuse and to foster transparency on Recovery spending by providing the public with accurate, user-friendly information." Tufte said on his website, "I'm doing this because I like accountability and transparency, and I believe in public service. And it is the complete opposite of everything else I do. Maybe I'll learn something. The practical consequence is that I will probably go to Washington several days each month, in addition to whatever homework and phone meetings are necessary."</htmltext>
<tokenext>President Obama recently announced several appointments to the Recovery Independent Advisory Panel , including data visualization expert Edward Tufte , author of The Visual Display of Quantitative Information .
The purpose of the panel is to advise the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board , whose aim is " To promote accountability by coordinating and conducting oversight of Recovery funds to prevent fraud , waste , and abuse and to foster transparency on Recovery spending by providing the public with accurate , user-friendly information .
" Tufte said on his website , " I 'm doing this because I like accountability and transparency , and I believe in public service .
And it is the complete opposite of everything else I do .
Maybe I 'll learn something .
The practical consequence is that I will probably go to Washington several days each month , in addition to whatever homework and phone meetings are necessary .
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<sentencetext>President Obama recently announced several appointments to the Recovery Independent Advisory Panel, including data visualization expert Edward Tufte, author of The Visual Display of Quantitative Information.
The purpose of the panel is to advise the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, whose aim is "To promote accountability by coordinating and conducting oversight of Recovery funds to prevent fraud, waste, and abuse and to foster transparency on Recovery spending by providing the public with accurate, user-friendly information.
" Tufte said on his website, "I'm doing this because I like accountability and transparency, and I believe in public service.
And it is the complete opposite of everything else I do.
Maybe I'll learn something.
The practical consequence is that I will probably go to Washington several days each month, in addition to whatever homework and phone meetings are necessary.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401804</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268070120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Erm, Simon Heffer is a conservative mouthpiece not a beacon of public opinion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Erm , Simon Heffer is a conservative mouthpiece not a beacon of public opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Erm, Simon Heffer is a conservative mouthpiece not a beacon of public opinion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401590</id>
	<title>No mercy!</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1268069040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This should be - v e r y - interesting indeed. [snicker snack] Remember, this is the guy who put Stalin on the cover of his pamphlet</p></div><p>Wow. Is that what teh kids consider - e d g y -  these days?</p></div>
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<tokenext>This should be - v e r y - interesting indeed .
[ snicker snack ] Remember , this is the guy who put Stalin on the cover of his pamphletWow .
Is that what teh kids consider - e d g y - these days ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be - v e r y - interesting indeed.
[snicker snack] Remember, this is the guy who put Stalin on the cover of his pamphletWow.
Is that what teh kids consider - e d g y -  these days?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401370</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268067900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think someone in favor of more regulation and not less would be best for the job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think someone in favor of more regulation and not less would be best for the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think someone in favor of more regulation and not less would be best for the job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31403186</id>
	<title>You've got to be kidding me...</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1268076480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unfortunately, the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...</p></div></blockquote><p>Unless by "extremes of the parties" you mean the rightmost extremes of both parties, I think you've gone round the bend. If the extreme left wing of the Democrats had been in control, Dennis Kucinich would have been the nominee. That guy really is far to the left. Obama? There are few Democrats more centrist. Just a quick example: health care. The current plan in play in Congress is almost exactly the same as the one Mitt freakin' Romney signed into law when he was governor of Massachusetts. Until recently, this would have been a <b>Republican</b> health care plan - the mainstream opinion among Democrats is that single-payer is the way to go.</p><p>Regardless of your personal preferences on issues like health care, it's an absolute fact that the Democratic party is controlled by highly centrist types, and the Republican party is being run by, not to put too fine a point on it, whackjobs.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Unfortunately , the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...Unless by " extremes of the parties " you mean the rightmost extremes of both parties , I think you 've gone round the bend .
If the extreme left wing of the Democrats had been in control , Dennis Kucinich would have been the nominee .
That guy really is far to the left .
Obama ? There are few Democrats more centrist .
Just a quick example : health care .
The current plan in play in Congress is almost exactly the same as the one Mitt freakin ' Romney signed into law when he was governor of Massachusetts .
Until recently , this would have been a Republican health care plan - the mainstream opinion among Democrats is that single-payer is the way to go.Regardless of your personal preferences on issues like health care , it 's an absolute fact that the Democratic party is controlled by highly centrist types , and the Republican party is being run by , not to put too fine a point on it , whackjobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...Unless by "extremes of the parties" you mean the rightmost extremes of both parties, I think you've gone round the bend.
If the extreme left wing of the Democrats had been in control, Dennis Kucinich would have been the nominee.
That guy really is far to the left.
Obama? There are few Democrats more centrist.
Just a quick example: health care.
The current plan in play in Congress is almost exactly the same as the one Mitt freakin' Romney signed into law when he was governor of Massachusetts.
Until recently, this would have been a Republican health care plan - the mainstream opinion among Democrats is that single-payer is the way to go.Regardless of your personal preferences on issues like health care, it's an absolute fact that the Democratic party is controlled by highly centrist types, and the Republican party is being run by, not to put too fine a point on it, whackjobs.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31409158</id>
	<title>Oh, yes, the unity of the Democrats. *snort*</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1268062260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The Democratic party however, has been very unified... since the days of JFK.</i></p><p>Yeah. Right.</p><p>Look, if you're far enough to the Right, it's not hard to see why this might be an easy mistake to make. Kind of like that old <a href="http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/72-the-world-as-seen-from-new-yorks-9th-avenue/" title="wordpress.com">New Yorker cover</a> [wordpress.com]. Funny because it's partly true, but don't point too much while you laugh, because everybody does something like this, even though it's wrong. Do a little bit of reading about the drama around the 1964 and 1968 Democratic national conventions. Or on the heavy tension between the DLC and traditional Democrats over the last two decades. When you finally get to the point where you realize the Clinton was arguably <em>right</em> of Eisenhower or Nixon on economic matters, you'll be ready to comment on this.</p><p><i>The Republican party lost it's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions. Effectively, the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.</i></p><p>The Republican party of the last 30-40 years has certainly had some <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=jTATcMClChQC&amp;lpg=PP1&amp;ots=aIPXMVlcM3&amp;dq=ted\%20lowi\%20end\%20of\%20the\%20republican\%20era&amp;pg=PR13#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" title="google.com">schisms</a> [google.com], and party leadership was therefore necessarily not governing as all its voting constituency might have wanted it to. But it was pretty effectively executing its (again, <em>leadership's</em>) political plans up through the K Street scandals 3-5 years ago, and possibly through the end of 2008 (a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover\_Norquist#Views\_on\_government" title="wikipedia.org">Norquist Republican</a> [wikipedia.org] might find the most practical way to shrink the government is to bankrupt it).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Democratic party however , has been very unified... since the days of JFK.Yeah .
Right.Look , if you 're far enough to the Right , it 's not hard to see why this might be an easy mistake to make .
Kind of like that old New Yorker cover [ wordpress.com ] .
Funny because it 's partly true , but do n't point too much while you laugh , because everybody does something like this , even though it 's wrong .
Do a little bit of reading about the drama around the 1964 and 1968 Democratic national conventions .
Or on the heavy tension between the DLC and traditional Democrats over the last two decades .
When you finally get to the point where you realize the Clinton was arguably right of Eisenhower or Nixon on economic matters , you 'll be ready to comment on this.The Republican party lost it 's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions .
Effectively , the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.The Republican party of the last 30-40 years has certainly had some schisms [ google.com ] , and party leadership was therefore necessarily not governing as all its voting constituency might have wanted it to .
But it was pretty effectively executing its ( again , leadership 's ) political plans up through the K Street scandals 3-5 years ago , and possibly through the end of 2008 ( a Norquist Republican [ wikipedia.org ] might find the most practical way to shrink the government is to bankrupt it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Democratic party however, has been very unified... since the days of JFK.Yeah.
Right.Look, if you're far enough to the Right, it's not hard to see why this might be an easy mistake to make.
Kind of like that old New Yorker cover [wordpress.com].
Funny because it's partly true, but don't point too much while you laugh, because everybody does something like this, even though it's wrong.
Do a little bit of reading about the drama around the 1964 and 1968 Democratic national conventions.
Or on the heavy tension between the DLC and traditional Democrats over the last two decades.
When you finally get to the point where you realize the Clinton was arguably right of Eisenhower or Nixon on economic matters, you'll be ready to comment on this.The Republican party lost it's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions.
Effectively, the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.The Republican party of the last 30-40 years has certainly had some schisms [google.com], and party leadership was therefore necessarily not governing as all its voting constituency might have wanted it to.
But it was pretty effectively executing its (again, leadership's) political plans up through the K Street scandals 3-5 years ago, and possibly through the end of 2008 (a Norquist Republican [wikipedia.org] might find the most practical way to shrink the government is to bankrupt it).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401764</id>
	<title>Re:Tufte scandal</title>
	<author>kenh</author>
	<datestamp>1268069940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>scandal</p></div></blockquote><p>Really, a scandal? From your description it could just as easily be that Flip Philips acted like a "whiny sanctimonious asshole" on the phone when asking about charging his CC before shipping the book. I wonder if Flip made a point of reporting on this grave injustice since using Tufte's name would likely drive traffic from google and other search engines to his little blog at Skidmore...</p></div>
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<tokenext>scandalReally , a scandal ?
From your description it could just as easily be that Flip Philips acted like a " whiny sanctimonious asshole " on the phone when asking about charging his CC before shipping the book .
I wonder if Flip made a point of reporting on this grave injustice since using Tufte 's name would likely drive traffic from google and other search engines to his little blog at Skidmore.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>scandalReally, a scandal?
From your description it could just as easily be that Flip Philips acted like a "whiny sanctimonious asshole" on the phone when asking about charging his CC before shipping the book.
I wonder if Flip made a point of reporting on this grave injustice since using Tufte's name would likely drive traffic from google and other search engines to his little blog at Skidmore...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400534</id>
	<title>With 80\% of green energy stimulus going overseas</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268063400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>will that count as fraud, waste, or just business-as-usual?</p><p>(for more info see <a href="http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/wind-energy-funds-going-overseas/" title="investigat...rkshop.org" rel="nofollow">http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/wind-energy-funds-going-overseas/</a> [investigat...rkshop.org])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>will that count as fraud , waste , or just business-as-usual ?
( for more info see http : //investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/wind-energy-funds-going-overseas/ [ investigat...rkshop.org ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will that count as fraud, waste, or just business-as-usual?
(for more info see http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/wind-energy-funds-going-overseas/ [investigat...rkshop.org])</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400802</id>
	<title>So, no Power Point presentation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268065020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, no Power Point presentation?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , no Power Point presentation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, no Power Point presentation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31403460</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268077680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps. I was disappointed too in the things he has done since gaining office. But can you imagine what the other lizard er McCain would have done if he got elected? Man you people had no choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps .
I was disappointed too in the things he has done since gaining office .
But can you imagine what the other lizard er McCain would have done if he got elected ?
Man you people had no choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps.
I was disappointed too in the things he has done since gaining office.
But can you imagine what the other lizard er McCain would have done if he got elected?
Man you people had no choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400816</id>
	<title>Stimulus is a dead issue.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1268065080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The stimulus is a dead issue.  GOP won the round.  Considering Bush essentially ran<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.5 stimuluses a year in deficits for 6 years and then capped it off with a stimuluses worth of bailouts for banks, its rather remarkable that the GOP could do so, but they did.</p><p>Trying to keep refighting the stimulus battle is just bad politics...</p><p>Obama ought to be a good enough fighter to know that and move on.  His best hope for 2010 is to get the troops out of Iraq and declare an epic victory, then use the mantle of victory to take his case before the people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The stimulus is a dead issue .
GOP won the round .
Considering Bush essentially ran .5 stimuluses a year in deficits for 6 years and then capped it off with a stimuluses worth of bailouts for banks , its rather remarkable that the GOP could do so , but they did.Trying to keep refighting the stimulus battle is just bad politics...Obama ought to be a good enough fighter to know that and move on .
His best hope for 2010 is to get the troops out of Iraq and declare an epic victory , then use the mantle of victory to take his case before the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The stimulus is a dead issue.
GOP won the round.
Considering Bush essentially ran .5 stimuluses a year in deficits for 6 years and then capped it off with a stimuluses worth of bailouts for banks, its rather remarkable that the GOP could do so, but they did.Trying to keep refighting the stimulus battle is just bad politics...Obama ought to be a good enough fighter to know that and move on.
His best hope for 2010 is to get the troops out of Iraq and declare an epic victory, then use the mantle of victory to take his case before the people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31408712</id>
	<title>Re:tufte has it easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tufte is amazing at what he does, but credit should be given where credit is due- he didn't draw that graph.  Charles Joseph Minard did.</p><p>I do agree with you though, it would be nice to see something like a Sankey diagram that shows where the money went.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tufte is amazing at what he does , but credit should be given where credit is due- he did n't draw that graph .
Charles Joseph Minard did.I do agree with you though , it would be nice to see something like a Sankey diagram that shows where the money went .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tufte is amazing at what he does, but credit should be given where credit is due- he didn't draw that graph.
Charles Joseph Minard did.I do agree with you though, it would be nice to see something like a Sankey diagram that shows where the money went.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400678</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1268064420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>he should fire Geithner and replace him with Elizabeth Warren. But no, he won't do that.</p></div><p>Warren?  Well, anyone would be an improvement.  Wouldn't Ron Paul be better?  As treasury secretary, his peculiar opinions about abortion would be about as important as Tom Cruise's insights about foreign policy, i.e. quaintly irrelevant to the task at hand.  Would be a nice last job for a smart old man (I mean RP not Cruise)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>he should fire Geithner and replace him with Elizabeth Warren .
But no , he wo n't do that.Warren ?
Well , anyone would be an improvement .
Would n't Ron Paul be better ?
As treasury secretary , his peculiar opinions about abortion would be about as important as Tom Cruise 's insights about foreign policy , i.e .
quaintly irrelevant to the task at hand .
Would be a nice last job for a smart old man ( I mean RP not Cruise )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he should fire Geithner and replace him with Elizabeth Warren.
But no, he won't do that.Warren?
Well, anyone would be an improvement.
Wouldn't Ron Paul be better?
As treasury secretary, his peculiar opinions about abortion would be about as important as Tom Cruise's insights about foreign policy, i.e.
quaintly irrelevant to the task at hand.
Would be a nice last job for a smart old man (I mean RP not Cruise)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401840</id>
	<title>GIGO</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1268070360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>so long as he does a good job and injects some accountability and transparency into the process.</p></div></blockquote><p>Tufte isn't being hired to inject accountability and transparency into the process, he's being hired because he's somewhat of a media darling.  All he can do is produce very pretty guaranteed-to-be-popular (among certain demographics) visual representation of whatever data he is given.  If the data is garbage, then his graphs will be pretty, clear, and convey the data in an understandable fashion but will be utterly irrelevant.<br>
&nbsp; <br>It's not really clear to me what Tufte is supposed to be accomplishing here.  Pretty graphs are pretty graphs, but the real truth is in the numbers and analysis, and Tufte isn't a numbers and analysis guy.  Also, Tufte's best work appears to be in 'forensic graphology' - taking a graph and comparing it <i>post facto</i> to the data, the complete opposite of what he's going to be doing here.</p></div>
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<tokenext>so long as he does a good job and injects some accountability and transparency into the process.Tufte is n't being hired to inject accountability and transparency into the process , he 's being hired because he 's somewhat of a media darling .
All he can do is produce very pretty guaranteed-to-be-popular ( among certain demographics ) visual representation of whatever data he is given .
If the data is garbage , then his graphs will be pretty , clear , and convey the data in an understandable fashion but will be utterly irrelevant .
  It 's not really clear to me what Tufte is supposed to be accomplishing here .
Pretty graphs are pretty graphs , but the real truth is in the numbers and analysis , and Tufte is n't a numbers and analysis guy .
Also , Tufte 's best work appears to be in 'forensic graphology ' - taking a graph and comparing it post facto to the data , the complete opposite of what he 's going to be doing here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so long as he does a good job and injects some accountability and transparency into the process.Tufte isn't being hired to inject accountability and transparency into the process, he's being hired because he's somewhat of a media darling.
All he can do is produce very pretty guaranteed-to-be-popular (among certain demographics) visual representation of whatever data he is given.
If the data is garbage, then his graphs will be pretty, clear, and convey the data in an understandable fashion but will be utterly irrelevant.
  It's not really clear to me what Tufte is supposed to be accomplishing here.
Pretty graphs are pretty graphs, but the real truth is in the numbers and analysis, and Tufte isn't a numbers and analysis guy.
Also, Tufte's best work appears to be in 'forensic graphology' - taking a graph and comparing it post facto to the data, the complete opposite of what he's going to be doing here.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401084</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1268066340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not surprised.</p><p>The Republican party lost it's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions. Effectively, the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.</p><p>The Democratic party however, has been very unified but has been rotting from the core since the days of JFK. Now, it too is crumbling apart with rampant thuggery and corruption.</p><p>I think we all know how the November elections will turn out. However, there is no way in hell we can foresee who the next president will be. Our political system as we know it, is fucked. I reckon this is a good thing. Perhaps now we can get people more involved with how politics happen in DC and start voting based on someones voting record, and not based purely on party. At least, I hope so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not surprised.The Republican party lost it 's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions .
Effectively , the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.The Democratic party however , has been very unified but has been rotting from the core since the days of JFK .
Now , it too is crumbling apart with rampant thuggery and corruption.I think we all know how the November elections will turn out .
However , there is no way in hell we can foresee who the next president will be .
Our political system as we know it , is fucked .
I reckon this is a good thing .
Perhaps now we can get people more involved with how politics happen in DC and start voting based on someones voting record , and not based purely on party .
At least , I hope so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not surprised.The Republican party lost it's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions.
Effectively, the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.The Democratic party however, has been very unified but has been rotting from the core since the days of JFK.
Now, it too is crumbling apart with rampant thuggery and corruption.I think we all know how the November elections will turn out.
However, there is no way in hell we can foresee who the next president will be.
Our political system as we know it, is fucked.
I reckon this is a good thing.
Perhaps now we can get people more involved with how politics happen in DC and start voting based on someones voting record, and not based purely on party.
At least, I hope so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31407616</id>
	<title>More vs. Less is the wrong way to look at it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268051760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would prefer having <i>effective</i> regulation, rather than being reduced to evaluating plans based on whether they contain more rules or fewer.</p><p>The law is like a computer program.  I would rather have one that works well and has been thoroughly debugged, as opposed to one with more or fewer lines of source code (e.g. more or less regulation).</p><p>But that's just me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would prefer having effective regulation , rather than being reduced to evaluating plans based on whether they contain more rules or fewer.The law is like a computer program .
I would rather have one that works well and has been thoroughly debugged , as opposed to one with more or fewer lines of source code ( e.g .
more or less regulation ) .But that 's just me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would prefer having effective regulation, rather than being reduced to evaluating plans based on whether they contain more rules or fewer.The law is like a computer program.
I would rather have one that works well and has been thoroughly debugged, as opposed to one with more or fewer lines of source code (e.g.
more or less regulation).But that's just me...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401224</id>
	<title>Re:Mercy me...</title>
	<author>Xtravar</author>
	<datestamp>1268067120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's a socialist!  He worships Stalin!  Obama is ruining the United States once again! &lt;/FoxNews&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's a socialist !
He worships Stalin !
Obama is ruining the United States once again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's a socialist!
He worships Stalin!
Obama is ruining the United States once again! </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400824</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1268065080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anything.</p></div><p>Bruce Schneier newly appointed as Secretary of the US department of Homeland (in)Security?  That would be change I could believe in.  Maybe in the second term, if he somehow gets 51\% of the votes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they ca n't really do anything.Bruce Schneier newly appointed as Secretary of the US department of Homeland ( in ) Security ?
That would be change I could believe in .
Maybe in the second term , if he somehow gets 51 \ % of the votes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anything.Bruce Schneier newly appointed as Secretary of the US department of Homeland (in)Security?
That would be change I could believe in.
Maybe in the second term, if he somehow gets 51\% of the votes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31402820</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>welcher</author>
	<datestamp>1268074800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The telegraph is a conservative paper, there is nothing impartial about it.  If you look at the coverage of the US election campaign over there, you'll find people were taking sides just like anywhere else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The telegraph is a conservative paper , there is nothing impartial about it .
If you look at the coverage of the US election campaign over there , you 'll find people were taking sides just like anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The telegraph is a conservative paper, there is nothing impartial about it.
If you look at the coverage of the US election campaign over there, you'll find people were taking sides just like anywhere else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31403762</id>
	<title>Re:Mercy me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268079060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Challenger commission, you mean. Unless Feynman invented time travel when I wasn't looking and traveled to the future for a couple years before he went back to the past and died. Can't put it past the man...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Challenger commission , you mean .
Unless Feynman invented time travel when I was n't looking and traveled to the future for a couple years before he went back to the past and died .
Ca n't put it past the man.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Challenger commission, you mean.
Unless Feynman invented time travel when I wasn't looking and traveled to the future for a couple years before he went back to the past and died.
Can't put it past the man...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401872</id>
	<title>Re:Tufte scandal</title>
	<author>kungfugleek</author>
	<datestamp>1268070540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whether it makes him a jerk or not, it does reveal that he likes getting his money as soon as possible, even before the book was ready to ship.  That's not a trait I like to see in someone in his position.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether it makes him a jerk or not , it does reveal that he likes getting his money as soon as possible , even before the book was ready to ship .
That 's not a trait I like to see in someone in his position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether it makes him a jerk or not, it does reveal that he likes getting his money as soon as possible, even before the book was ready to ship.
That's not a trait I like to see in someone in his position.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400556</id>
	<title>tufte has it easy</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1268063580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just take one of the most famous graphs from his book, and reproduce it:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured\_picture\_candidates/Napoleon's\_Invasion\_of\_Russia" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured\_picture\_candidates/Napoleon's\_Invasion\_of\_Russia</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>relabel the advancing french soldiers "good intentions for accountable government"</p><p>relabel the retreating french soldiers "obfuscation by entrenched special interests"</p><p>job done</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just take one of the most famous graphs from his book , and reproduce it : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia : Featured \ _picture \ _candidates/Napoleon 's \ _Invasion \ _of \ _Russia [ wikipedia.org ] relabel the advancing french soldiers " good intentions for accountable government " relabel the retreating french soldiers " obfuscation by entrenched special interests " job done</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just take one of the most famous graphs from his book, and reproduce it:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured\_picture\_candidates/Napoleon's\_Invasion\_of\_Russia [wikipedia.org]relabel the advancing french soldiers "good intentions for accountable government"relabel the retreating french soldiers "obfuscation by entrenched special interests"job done</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400542</id>
	<title>surprising that Google and or MSFT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268063460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hasn't snapped up Tufte as a "Fellow" with an $$ offer he can't refuse.  The namedropping PR benefit alone would pay for it, as far as the companies are concerned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>has n't snapped up Tufte as a " Fellow " with an $ $ offer he ca n't refuse .
The namedropping PR benefit alone would pay for it , as far as the companies are concerned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hasn't snapped up Tufte as a "Fellow" with an $$ offer he can't refuse.
The namedropping PR benefit alone would pay for it, as far as the companies are concerned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400836</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268065140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anything.</p></div></blockquote><p>I took a grad school seminar with him at Yale. The man is loopy, but he has a truly powerful brain. He comes up with ways of looking at problems that are like time bombs. First you think he's a crackpot - how could anyone propose something so ridiculous? Then a few days later, it's been stewing in the back of your head, and your mindly slowly blows as you realise just how much cleverer it is than anything you've heard before. Simply putting him near anything involving information is almost guaranteed to make it better somehow.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they ca n't really do anything.I took a grad school seminar with him at Yale .
The man is loopy , but he has a truly powerful brain .
He comes up with ways of looking at problems that are like time bombs .
First you think he 's a crackpot - how could anyone propose something so ridiculous ?
Then a few days later , it 's been stewing in the back of your head , and your mindly slowly blows as you realise just how much cleverer it is than anything you 've heard before .
Simply putting him near anything involving information is almost guaranteed to make it better somehow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anything.I took a grad school seminar with him at Yale.
The man is loopy, but he has a truly powerful brain.
He comes up with ways of looking at problems that are like time bombs.
First you think he's a crackpot - how could anyone propose something so ridiculous?
Then a few days later, it's been stewing in the back of your head, and your mindly slowly blows as you realise just how much cleverer it is than anything you've heard before.
Simply putting him near anything involving information is almost guaranteed to make it better somehow.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401176</id>
	<title>Re:Tufte scandal</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1268066820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Err... so?  He could be the biggest asshole in the world for all I care, so long as he does a good job and injects some accountability and transparency into the process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Err... so ? He could be the biggest asshole in the world for all I care , so long as he does a good job and injects some accountability and transparency into the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err... so?  He could be the biggest asshole in the world for all I care, so long as he does a good job and injects some accountability and transparency into the process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31404414</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Bassman59</author>
	<datestamp>1268081940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not surprised.</p><p>The Republican party lost it's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions. Effectively, the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.</p></div><p>True, it's splintered into factions (Teabaggers vs business conservatives vs religious wackos) but in the current Congress it has been remarkably unified. It says "No!" to everything. Of course, it's easy to be the minority opposition. You don't have to have any ideas on how to solve problems and move the country forward. (As an example of what happens when Republicans are fully in power, look to Arizona. Here the Republicans remain unified and committed to "No!" Our state is on beyond fucked.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The Democratic party however, has been very unified but has been rotting from the core since the days of JFK. Now, it too is crumbling apart with rampant thuggery and corruption.</p></div><p>What Democratic party are you talking about? In what bizarro world is it unified? Asshats like Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln seem to want to be all "mavericky" like that idiot McCain and his boyfriend Joe Lieberman, so any notion of party unity is a pipe dream. As for "rotting at the core," this happens as the Blue Dogs triangulate and try to have it all ways instead of having any principles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not surprised.The Republican party lost it 's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions .
Effectively , the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.True , it 's splintered into factions ( Teabaggers vs business conservatives vs religious wackos ) but in the current Congress it has been remarkably unified .
It says " No !
" to everything .
Of course , it 's easy to be the minority opposition .
You do n't have to have any ideas on how to solve problems and move the country forward .
( As an example of what happens when Republicans are fully in power , look to Arizona .
Here the Republicans remain unified and committed to " No !
" Our state is on beyond fucked .
) The Democratic party however , has been very unified but has been rotting from the core since the days of JFK .
Now , it too is crumbling apart with rampant thuggery and corruption.What Democratic party are you talking about ?
In what bizarro world is it unified ?
Asshats like Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln seem to want to be all " mavericky " like that idiot McCain and his boyfriend Joe Lieberman , so any notion of party unity is a pipe dream .
As for " rotting at the core , " this happens as the Blue Dogs triangulate and try to have it all ways instead of having any principles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not surprised.The Republican party lost it's spine a long time ago and have splintered into many factions.
Effectively, the party was dead even before the 2000 elections and since then has been without leadership.True, it's splintered into factions (Teabaggers vs business conservatives vs religious wackos) but in the current Congress it has been remarkably unified.
It says "No!
" to everything.
Of course, it's easy to be the minority opposition.
You don't have to have any ideas on how to solve problems and move the country forward.
(As an example of what happens when Republicans are fully in power, look to Arizona.
Here the Republicans remain unified and committed to "No!
" Our state is on beyond fucked.
)The Democratic party however, has been very unified but has been rotting from the core since the days of JFK.
Now, it too is crumbling apart with rampant thuggery and corruption.What Democratic party are you talking about?
In what bizarro world is it unified?
Asshats like Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln seem to want to be all "mavericky" like that idiot McCain and his boyfriend Joe Lieberman, so any notion of party unity is a pipe dream.
As for "rotting at the core," this happens as the Blue Dogs triangulate and try to have it all ways instead of having any principles.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401152</id>
	<title>Re:Mercy me...</title>
	<author>the\_other\_chewey</author>
	<datestamp>1268066700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm reminded of Feynman on the Columbia commission.</p></div><p>
Challenger. By the time Columbia went down (for - amongst other - similar reasons than Challenger),<br>
Richard Feynman wasn't around anymore to see how little impact his statements had on NASA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm reminded of Feynman on the Columbia commission .
Challenger. By the time Columbia went down ( for - amongst other - similar reasons than Challenger ) , Richard Feynman was n't around anymore to see how little impact his statements had on NASA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm reminded of Feynman on the Columbia commission.
Challenger. By the time Columbia went down (for - amongst other - similar reasons than Challenger),
Richard Feynman wasn't around anymore to see how little impact his statements had on NASA.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31406530</id>
	<title>RON PAUL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268047260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>RON PAUL!

He can do it this time!</htmltext>
<tokenext>RON PAUL !
He can do it this time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RON PAUL!
He can do it this time!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31402914</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>pdabbadabba</author>
	<datestamp>1268075280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>he has never run even so much as a convenience store</p></div><p>I realize this is really only intended as empty rhetoric but, come on. Here are a few things Obama has run, for everyone's information:</p><p>The Harvard law Review<br>Chicago's Developing Communities Project (DCP)<br>Illinois's Project Vote<br>Chicago Annenberg Challenge<br>Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services<br>U.S. Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs</p><p>Now, I realize that it is at least arguable that none of these provide the leadership experience required to be an effective president. You probably would like to have seen a former governor/mayor/head of a large agency. I don't think that sort of experience is strictly necessary, but I see how reasonable people could disagree. (Though, if I may ask, what leadership experience does John McCain have that qualifies him in your eyes? Is it just length of service in the Senate?)</p><p>But to say that Obama has not run so much as a convenience store is just totally false and it smacks of an either mean spirited (or, at best, willfully ignorant) parroting of the popular right-wing line that Obama is somehow a lightweight.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>he has never run even so much as a convenience storeI realize this is really only intended as empty rhetoric but , come on .
Here are a few things Obama has run , for everyone 's information : The Harvard law ReviewChicago 's Developing Communities Project ( DCP ) Illinois 's Project VoteChicago Annenberg ChallengeIllinois Senate 's Health and Human ServicesU.S .
Senate 's subcommittee on European AffairsNow , I realize that it is at least arguable that none of these provide the leadership experience required to be an effective president .
You probably would like to have seen a former governor/mayor/head of a large agency .
I do n't think that sort of experience is strictly necessary , but I see how reasonable people could disagree .
( Though , if I may ask , what leadership experience does John McCain have that qualifies him in your eyes ?
Is it just length of service in the Senate ?
) But to say that Obama has not run so much as a convenience store is just totally false and it smacks of an either mean spirited ( or , at best , willfully ignorant ) parroting of the popular right-wing line that Obama is somehow a lightweight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he has never run even so much as a convenience storeI realize this is really only intended as empty rhetoric but, come on.
Here are a few things Obama has run, for everyone's information:The Harvard law ReviewChicago's Developing Communities Project (DCP)Illinois's Project VoteChicago Annenberg ChallengeIllinois Senate's Health and Human ServicesU.S.
Senate's subcommittee on European AffairsNow, I realize that it is at least arguable that none of these provide the leadership experience required to be an effective president.
You probably would like to have seen a former governor/mayor/head of a large agency.
I don't think that sort of experience is strictly necessary, but I see how reasonable people could disagree.
(Though, if I may ask, what leadership experience does John McCain have that qualifies him in your eyes?
Is it just length of service in the Senate?
)But to say that Obama has not run so much as a convenience store is just totally false and it smacks of an either mean spirited (or, at best, willfully ignorant) parroting of the popular right-wing line that Obama is somehow a lightweight.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400770</id>
	<title>what a joke</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what a joke. this entire administration has turned into a global laughing stock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what a joke .
this entire administration has turned into a global laughing stock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what a joke.
this entire administration has turned into a global laughing stock.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31403362</id>
	<title>Re:Mercy me...</title>
	<author>fprintf</author>
	<datestamp>1268077200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been to his site before, but just spent an hour there now. If I didn't need to work I think I could get lost for a few more hours. His site represents an interesting and intensive view of effective presentation of data-intensive information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been to his site before , but just spent an hour there now .
If I did n't need to work I think I could get lost for a few more hours .
His site represents an interesting and intensive view of effective presentation of data-intensive information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been to his site before, but just spent an hour there now.
If I didn't need to work I think I could get lost for a few more hours.
His site represents an interesting and intensive view of effective presentation of data-intensive information.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400910</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268065440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sounds like what I was saying in early 2007, but no one wanted to listen. Now a foreign observer, much more impartial than our own media, is saying exactly the same thing. Gee, I thought Obama was going to usher in a new era of global peace and prosperity. What happened? I would venture to guess that it has something to do with the fact that he has never run even so much as a convenience store, and now his naivete and inexperience are catching up to his vacuous rhetoric.</p></div><p>In Obama's defense, none of the other options were any better.  McCain bends to the will of his party far too easily (we already had one puppet president for 8 years with GWB, we certainly didn't need 4 more with McCain), Ron Paul (like many third party candidates) is convinced that only his way is the right way, and everyone else was too polarizing.</p><p>Unfortunately, the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...this makes electing someone truly worthy of being president nearly impossible.  You can't get anywhere in politics unless you give up your values, and once you give up your values you become worthless as a leader.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like what I was saying in early 2007 , but no one wanted to listen .
Now a foreign observer , much more impartial than our own media , is saying exactly the same thing .
Gee , I thought Obama was going to usher in a new era of global peace and prosperity .
What happened ?
I would venture to guess that it has something to do with the fact that he has never run even so much as a convenience store , and now his naivete and inexperience are catching up to his vacuous rhetoric.In Obama 's defense , none of the other options were any better .
McCain bends to the will of his party far too easily ( we already had one puppet president for 8 years with GWB , we certainly did n't need 4 more with McCain ) , Ron Paul ( like many third party candidates ) is convinced that only his way is the right way , and everyone else was too polarizing.Unfortunately , the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...this makes electing someone truly worthy of being president nearly impossible .
You ca n't get anywhere in politics unless you give up your values , and once you give up your values you become worthless as a leader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like what I was saying in early 2007, but no one wanted to listen.
Now a foreign observer, much more impartial than our own media, is saying exactly the same thing.
Gee, I thought Obama was going to usher in a new era of global peace and prosperity.
What happened?
I would venture to guess that it has something to do with the fact that he has never run even so much as a convenience store, and now his naivete and inexperience are catching up to his vacuous rhetoric.In Obama's defense, none of the other options were any better.
McCain bends to the will of his party far too easily (we already had one puppet president for 8 years with GWB, we certainly didn't need 4 more with McCain), Ron Paul (like many third party candidates) is convinced that only his way is the right way, and everyone else was too polarizing.Unfortunately, the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...this makes electing someone truly worthy of being president nearly impossible.
You can't get anywhere in politics unless you give up your values, and once you give up your values you become worthless as a leader.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31404340</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268081640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None of those organizations is "for profit" nor are they manufacturing.  With the exception of the Law Review all of those groups just seek to spend others money and do not have ANY revenue other than handouts from public coffers.</p><p>In no case are there any difficult decisions required nor is there any long term accountability in the 'running' of those groups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of those organizations is " for profit " nor are they manufacturing .
With the exception of the Law Review all of those groups just seek to spend others money and do not have ANY revenue other than handouts from public coffers.In no case are there any difficult decisions required nor is there any long term accountability in the 'running ' of those groups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of those organizations is "for profit" nor are they manufacturing.
With the exception of the Law Review all of those groups just seek to spend others money and do not have ANY revenue other than handouts from public coffers.In no case are there any difficult decisions required nor is there any long term accountability in the 'running' of those groups.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400600</id>
	<title>Mercy me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268063820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This should be - v e r y - interesting indeed.</p><p>I have enormous respect for Tufte and his integrity. I can;t wait to see what happens.</p><p>Remember, this is the guy who put Stalin on the cover of <a href="http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books\_pp" title="edwardtufte.com">his pamphlet on "The Cognitive Style Of Powerpoint"</a> [edwardtufte.com]</p><p>I'm reminded of Feynman on the Columbia commission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This should be - v e r y - interesting indeed.I have enormous respect for Tufte and his integrity .
I can ; t wait to see what happens.Remember , this is the guy who put Stalin on the cover of his pamphlet on " The Cognitive Style Of Powerpoint " [ edwardtufte.com ] I 'm reminded of Feynman on the Columbia commission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be - v e r y - interesting indeed.I have enormous respect for Tufte and his integrity.
I can;t wait to see what happens.Remember, this is the guy who put Stalin on the cover of his pamphlet on "The Cognitive Style Of Powerpoint" [edwardtufte.com]I'm reminded of Feynman on the Columbia commission.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31409736</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>lonecrow</author>
	<datestamp>1268067660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try reading some of <a href="http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books\_vdqi" title="edwardtufte.com" rel="nofollow">Tufte's work first.</a> [edwardtufte.com] Tufte's genius is just the sort of thing we need more of so that we can better make use of the torrent of information raining down on us.
<br> <br>
If his work is used to distort rather then reveal information I suspect he will let us know.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try reading some of Tufte 's work first .
[ edwardtufte.com ] Tufte 's genius is just the sort of thing we need more of so that we can better make use of the torrent of information raining down on us .
If his work is used to distort rather then reveal information I suspect he will let us know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try reading some of Tufte's work first.
[edwardtufte.com] Tufte's genius is just the sort of thing we need more of so that we can better make use of the torrent of information raining down on us.
If his work is used to distort rather then reveal information I suspect he will let us know.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401642</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>dave981</author>
	<datestamp>1268069280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/11/30/obamas-cabinet-this-graph-explains-a-lot/" title="ajc.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/11/30/obamas-cabinet-this-graph-explains-a-lot/</a> [ajc.com]

"the previous low-water mark for private-sector experience since 1900, the JFK administration, was still three times higher than the Obama Cabinet&rsquo;s level."</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/11/30/obamas-cabinet-this-graph-explains-a-lot/ [ ajc.com ] " the previous low-water mark for private-sector experience since 1900 , the JFK administration , was still three times higher than the Obama Cabinet    s level .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/11/30/obamas-cabinet-this-graph-explains-a-lot/ [ajc.com]

"the previous low-water mark for private-sector experience since 1900, the JFK administration, was still three times higher than the Obama Cabinet’s level.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401818</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>geemon</author>
	<datestamp>1268070240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, the humor of this comment - yes, lets appoint Elizabeth Warren - you know, the Harvard law professor and noted academic.  While Liz Warren has some great ideas, most professors (and particularly law professors) will tell you that it is not a good policy to appoint fellow academics to policy-making roles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , the humor of this comment - yes , lets appoint Elizabeth Warren - you know , the Harvard law professor and noted academic .
While Liz Warren has some great ideas , most professors ( and particularly law professors ) will tell you that it is not a good policy to appoint fellow academics to policy-making roles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, the humor of this comment - yes, lets appoint Elizabeth Warren - you know, the Harvard law professor and noted academic.
While Liz Warren has some great ideas, most professors (and particularly law professors) will tell you that it is not a good policy to appoint fellow academics to policy-making roles.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400662</id>
	<title>Mercy on him.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah scared for him. After he shows how much of the funds have ended up in the Democratic Party and its affiliates coffers(ACORN, etc.) some heavy from Chicago will plant him next to Jimmy Hoffa.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah scared for him .
After he shows how much of the funds have ended up in the Democratic Party and its affiliates coffers ( ACORN , etc .
) some heavy from Chicago will plant him next to Jimmy Hoffa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah scared for him.
After he shows how much of the funds have ended up in the Democratic Party and its affiliates coffers(ACORN, etc.
) some heavy from Chicago will plant him next to Jimmy Hoffa.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401934</id>
	<title>Re:Blech.</title>
	<author>anaesthetica</author>
	<datestamp>1268070900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.</p><p>"They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens.</p><p>"This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out.</p><p>"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.'" &mdash;George Carlin</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk&amp;NR=1" title="youtube.com">link</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Now , there 's one thing you might have noticed I do n't complain about : politicians .
Everybody complains about politicians .
Everybody says they suck .
Well , where do people think these politicians come from ?
They do n't fall out of the sky .
They do n't pass through a membrane from another reality .
" They come from American parents and American families , American homes , American schools , American churches , American businesses and American universities , and they are elected by American citizens .
" This is the best we can do folks .
This is what we have to offer .
It 's what our system produces : Garbage in , garbage out .
" If you have selfish , ignorant citizens , you 're going to get selfish , ignorant leaders .
Term limits ai n't going to do any good ; you 're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish , ignorant Americans .
So , maybe , maybe , maybe , it 's not the politicians who suck .
Maybe something else sucks around here... like , the public .
Yeah , the public sucks .
There 's a nice campaign slogan for somebody : 'The Public Sucks .
Fuck Hope .
' "    George Carlinlink [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians.
Everybody complains about politicians.
Everybody says they suck.
Well, where do people think these politicians come from?
They don't fall out of the sky.
They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.
"They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens.
"This is the best we can do folks.
This is what we have to offer.
It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.
Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans.
So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck.
Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public.
Yeah, the public sucks.
There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks.
Fuck Hope.
'" —George Carlinlink [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31404468</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Bassman59</author>
	<datestamp>1268038980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>he has never run even so much as a convenience store</p></div><p>I realize this is really only intended as empty rhetoric but, come on. Here are a few things Obama has run, for everyone's information:</p><p>The Harvard law Review
Chicago's Developing Communities Project (DCP)
Illinois's Project Vote
Chicago Annenberg Challenge
Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services
U.S. Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs</p><p>Now, I realize that it is at least arguable that none of these provide the leadership experience required to be an effective president. You probably would like to have seen a former governor/mayor/head of a large agency. I don't think that sort of experience is strictly necessary, but I see how reasonable people could disagree. (Though, if I may ask, what leadership experience does John McCain have that qualifies him in your eyes? Is it just length of service in the Senate?)</p><p>But to say that Obama has not run so much as a convenience store is just totally false and it smacks of an either mean spirited (or, at best, willfully ignorant) parroting of the popular right-wing line that Obama is somehow a lightweight.</p></div><p>And let's remember that this experience was a LOT more relevant than George W Bush's term as Governor of Texas. Texas has a constitutionally weak governor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>he has never run even so much as a convenience storeI realize this is really only intended as empty rhetoric but , come on .
Here are a few things Obama has run , for everyone 's information : The Harvard law Review Chicago 's Developing Communities Project ( DCP ) Illinois 's Project Vote Chicago Annenberg Challenge Illinois Senate 's Health and Human Services U.S. Senate 's subcommittee on European AffairsNow , I realize that it is at least arguable that none of these provide the leadership experience required to be an effective president .
You probably would like to have seen a former governor/mayor/head of a large agency .
I do n't think that sort of experience is strictly necessary , but I see how reasonable people could disagree .
( Though , if I may ask , what leadership experience does John McCain have that qualifies him in your eyes ?
Is it just length of service in the Senate ?
) But to say that Obama has not run so much as a convenience store is just totally false and it smacks of an either mean spirited ( or , at best , willfully ignorant ) parroting of the popular right-wing line that Obama is somehow a lightweight.And let 's remember that this experience was a LOT more relevant than George W Bush 's term as Governor of Texas .
Texas has a constitutionally weak governor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he has never run even so much as a convenience storeI realize this is really only intended as empty rhetoric but, come on.
Here are a few things Obama has run, for everyone's information:The Harvard law Review
Chicago's Developing Communities Project (DCP)
Illinois's Project Vote
Chicago Annenberg Challenge
Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services
U.S. Senate's subcommittee on European AffairsNow, I realize that it is at least arguable that none of these provide the leadership experience required to be an effective president.
You probably would like to have seen a former governor/mayor/head of a large agency.
I don't think that sort of experience is strictly necessary, but I see how reasonable people could disagree.
(Though, if I may ask, what leadership experience does John McCain have that qualifies him in your eyes?
Is it just length of service in the Senate?
)But to say that Obama has not run so much as a convenience store is just totally false and it smacks of an either mean spirited (or, at best, willfully ignorant) parroting of the popular right-wing line that Obama is somehow a lightweight.And let's remember that this experience was a LOT more relevant than George W Bush's term as Governor of Texas.
Texas has a constitutionally weak governor.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31401472</id>
	<title>Re:Blech.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268068440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically?  Fuck you.  Lame cynicism is fine for wannabe goths in their black paint coated crypt/bedroom in their parent's basement.    But, here we have evidence of bringing in one of the finest minds in data visualization to open up the complicated workings of government.  This is a good thing.</p><p>It's makes sense that you got first post (you obviously have a lot of time on your hands) but it's really sad that your throw-away cynicism was confused with insight by your fellow high-school students.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically ?
Fuck you .
Lame cynicism is fine for wannabe goths in their black paint coated crypt/bedroom in their parent 's basement .
But , here we have evidence of bringing in one of the finest minds in data visualization to open up the complicated workings of government .
This is a good thing.It 's makes sense that you got first post ( you obviously have a lot of time on your hands ) but it 's really sad that your throw-away cynicism was confused with insight by your fellow high-school students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically?
Fuck you.
Lame cynicism is fine for wannabe goths in their black paint coated crypt/bedroom in their parent's basement.
But, here we have evidence of bringing in one of the finest minds in data visualization to open up the complicated workings of government.
This is a good thing.It's makes sense that you got first post (you obviously have a lot of time on your hands) but it's really sad that your throw-away cynicism was confused with insight by your fellow high-school students.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400712</id>
	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wall street has the country by the gonads, If you are not wall street friendly you are in deep s**t.</p><p>I believe that is a fact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wall street has the country by the gonads , If you are not wall street friendly you are in deep s * * t.I believe that is a fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wall street has the country by the gonads, If you are not wall street friendly you are in deep s**t.I believe that is a fact.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400702</id>
	<title>Its mis-named so it will feel better.</title>
	<author>Stumbles</author>
	<datestamp>1268064600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It should be called the <b>R</b>ecovery <b>A</b>dvisory <b>P</b>anel <b>E</b>nhancement</htmltext>
<tokenext>It should be called the Recovery Advisory Panel Enhancement</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should be called the Recovery Advisory Panel Enhancement</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31402764</id>
	<title>A woman in charge of the checkbook?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268074500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A woman in charge of the government check book?  I don't think so....

We need somebody with some balls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A woman in charge of the government check book ?
I do n't think so... . We need somebody with some balls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A woman in charge of the government check book?
I don't think so....

We need somebody with some balls.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400514</id>
	<title>The right guy for the wrong job?</title>
	<author>KnownIssues</author>
	<datestamp>1268063280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously though, I'm an Edward Tufte fun myself, but his statement, "And it is the complete opposite of everything else I do," is kind of funny. I know he didn't mean it <i>literally</i>. "Yeah my car's not working, so I hired a painter to fix it."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously though , I 'm an Edward Tufte fun myself , but his statement , " And it is the complete opposite of everything else I do , " is kind of funny .
I know he did n't mean it literally .
" Yeah my car 's not working , so I hired a painter to fix it .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously though, I'm an Edward Tufte fun myself, but his statement, "And it is the complete opposite of everything else I do," is kind of funny.
I know he didn't mean it literally.
"Yeah my car's not working, so I hired a painter to fix it.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400864</id>
	<title>Re:tufte has it easy</title>
	<author>rangek</author>
	<datestamp>1268065260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>just take one of the most famous graphs from his book, and reproduce it:</p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured\_picture\_candidates/Napoleon's\_Invasion\_of\_Russia" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured\_picture\_candidates/Napoleon's\_Invasion\_of\_Russia</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p>relabel the advancing french soldiers "good intentions for accountable government"</p><p>relabel the retreating french soldiers "obfuscation by entrenched special interests"</p><p>job done</p></div><p>Brilliant</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>just take one of the most famous graphs from his book , and reproduce it : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia : Featured \ _picture \ _candidates/Napoleon 's \ _Invasion \ _of \ _Russia [ wikipedia.org ] relabel the advancing french soldiers " good intentions for accountable government " relabel the retreating french soldiers " obfuscation by entrenched special interests " job doneBrilliant</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just take one of the most famous graphs from his book, and reproduce it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured\_picture\_candidates/Napoleon's\_Invasion\_of\_Russia [wikipedia.org] relabel the advancing french soldiers "good intentions for accountable government"relabel the retreating french soldiers "obfuscation by entrenched special interests"job doneBrilliant
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31403812</id>
	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Coryoth</author>
	<datestamp>1268079240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unfortunately, the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...</p></div><p>Really? The last election was a close fought battle between Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich? I must have missed that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... Perhaps you should check out what the extremes of the parties actually are?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...Really ?
The last election was a close fought battle between Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich ?
I must have missed that .... Perhaps you should check out what the extremes of the parties actually are ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, the extremes of the parties are the ones in control...Really?
The last election was a close fought battle between Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich?
I must have missed that .... Perhaps you should check out what the extremes of the parties actually are?
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Academics</title>
	<author>hazem</author>
	<datestamp>1268067420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anything</i></p><p>Yeah, I just don't see what good it would be to have someone who's known for being able to deal with large amounts of complex information and present it in easy-to-understand ways... especially an academic.  I mean, just look at what horrible failure it was to have that academic Richard Feynman on the committee studying the Challenger explosion.  Those ivory tower types just have no grasp on how things really work.</p><p>So, clearly you don't like Obama or Tufte... who do YOU recommend be put on this committee?  And if you don't think the committee should exist, what do you suggest for better tracking and visibility of the stimulus funds?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they ca n't really do anythingYeah , I just do n't see what good it would be to have someone who 's known for being able to deal with large amounts of complex information and present it in easy-to-understand ways... especially an academic .
I mean , just look at what horrible failure it was to have that academic Richard Feynman on the committee studying the Challenger explosion .
Those ivory tower types just have no grasp on how things really work.So , clearly you do n't like Obama or Tufte... who do YOU recommend be put on this committee ?
And if you do n't think the committee should exist , what do you suggest for better tracking and visibility of the stimulus funds ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anythingYeah, I just don't see what good it would be to have someone who's known for being able to deal with large amounts of complex information and present it in easy-to-understand ways... especially an academic.
I mean, just look at what horrible failure it was to have that academic Richard Feynman on the committee studying the Challenger explosion.
Those ivory tower types just have no grasp on how things really work.So, clearly you don't like Obama or Tufte... who do YOU recommend be put on this committee?
And if you don't think the committee should exist, what do you suggest for better tracking and visibility of the stimulus funds?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400504</id>
	<title>Academics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268063160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anything.  Meanwhile Obama staffs his cabinet with wall street insiders.  If Obama really wants transparency and accountability, he should fire Geithner and replace him with Elizabeth Warren.  But no, he won't do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they ca n't really do anything .
Meanwhile Obama staffs his cabinet with wall street insiders .
If Obama really wants transparency and accountability , he should fire Geithner and replace him with Elizabeth Warren .
But no , he wo n't do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just another feel good appointment of an academic to a position where they can't really do anything.
Meanwhile Obama staffs his cabinet with wall street insiders.
If Obama really wants transparency and accountability, he should fire Geithner and replace him with Elizabeth Warren.
But no, he won't do that.</sentencetext>
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	<title>You know that graph is over 100 years old, right?</title>
	<author>spun</author>
	<datestamp>1268066820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tufte may have used that graph, but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles\_Joseph\_Minard" title="wikipedia.org">Charles Joseph Minard</a> [wikipedia.org] made it, way back in 1869. Minard was an early pioneer in data visualization, and Tufte says that particular graph "may well be the best statistical graphic ever drawn."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tufte may have used that graph , but Charles Joseph Minard [ wikipedia.org ] made it , way back in 1869 .
Minard was an early pioneer in data visualization , and Tufte says that particular graph " may well be the best statistical graphic ever drawn .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tufte may have used that graph, but Charles Joseph Minard [wikipedia.org] made it, way back in 1869.
Minard was an early pioneer in data visualization, and Tufte says that particular graph "may well be the best statistical graphic ever drawn.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1268071680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Step one for the GOP is to toss out the evangelicals. Even Nixon warned about mixing politcis and religion. When freaking *Nixon* finds your plans lacking, you might want to run a reassessment. Most who have analyzed the situation feel they'd gain far more than they lost.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Our political system as we know it, is fucked.</p></div><p>It acts, in combination with the media, to filter out anyone but complete sociopaths. You have to be utterly without care about other people- what they think of you, how your decisions affect their daily lives, etc.- to run for office these days.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I reckon this is a good thing.</p></div><p>...whut?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Perhaps now we can get people more involved with how politics happen in DC and start voting based on someones voting record, and not based purely on party.</p></div><p>Bah ha ha! Yeah, good luck with that. Wasn't Obama supposed to be morning in America again? How's that working out?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>At least, I hope so.</p></div><p>Hope is not a strategy.</p><p>Wait, got another pithy one: hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which hand fills up first.</p><p>OK, now you can admonish me about how my hateful cynicism will never solve anything and perhaps something vaguely erudite on self fulfilling prophecies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Step one for the GOP is to toss out the evangelicals .
Even Nixon warned about mixing politcis and religion .
When freaking * Nixon * finds your plans lacking , you might want to run a reassessment .
Most who have analyzed the situation feel they 'd gain far more than they lost.Our political system as we know it , is fucked.It acts , in combination with the media , to filter out anyone but complete sociopaths .
You have to be utterly without care about other people- what they think of you , how your decisions affect their daily lives , etc.- to run for office these days.I reckon this is a good thing....whut ? Perhaps now we can get people more involved with how politics happen in DC and start voting based on someones voting record , and not based purely on party.Bah ha ha !
Yeah , good luck with that .
Was n't Obama supposed to be morning in America again ?
How 's that working out ? At least , I hope so.Hope is not a strategy.Wait , got another pithy one : hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which hand fills up first.OK , now you can admonish me about how my hateful cynicism will never solve anything and perhaps something vaguely erudite on self fulfilling prophecies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Step one for the GOP is to toss out the evangelicals.
Even Nixon warned about mixing politcis and religion.
When freaking *Nixon* finds your plans lacking, you might want to run a reassessment.
Most who have analyzed the situation feel they'd gain far more than they lost.Our political system as we know it, is fucked.It acts, in combination with the media, to filter out anyone but complete sociopaths.
You have to be utterly without care about other people- what they think of you, how your decisions affect their daily lives, etc.- to run for office these days.I reckon this is a good thing....whut?Perhaps now we can get people more involved with how politics happen in DC and start voting based on someones voting record, and not based purely on party.Bah ha ha!
Yeah, good luck with that.
Wasn't Obama supposed to be morning in America again?
How's that working out?At least, I hope so.Hope is not a strategy.Wait, got another pithy one: hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which hand fills up first.OK, now you can admonish me about how my hateful cynicism will never solve anything and perhaps something vaguely erudite on self fulfilling prophecies.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Blech.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'"   -Bill Hicks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'll show you politics in America .
Here it is , right here .
'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs .
' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking .
' 'Hey , wait a minute , there 's one guy holding out both puppets !
' " -Bill Hicks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I'll show you politics in America.
Here it is, right here.
'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.
' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.
' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!
'"   -Bill Hicks</sentencetext>
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	<title>Tufte scandal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own his books and recommend them but it seems Tufte is difficult to deal with in person.  He charged credit cards for pre-orders before shipping his not-yet-published book and then called someone who politely objected to that a "whiny sanctimonious asshole."</p><p>See Flip Philips' blog entry about the scandal <a href="http://www.skidmore.edu/~flip/Site/Blog/Entries/2006/3/6\_Edward\_Tufte\_Called\_Me\_an\_Asshole!\_-\_Updated.html" title="skidmore.edu">here</a> [skidmore.edu] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own his books and recommend them but it seems Tufte is difficult to deal with in person .
He charged credit cards for pre-orders before shipping his not-yet-published book and then called someone who politely objected to that a " whiny sanctimonious asshole .
" See Flip Philips ' blog entry about the scandal here [ skidmore.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own his books and recommend them but it seems Tufte is difficult to deal with in person.
He charged credit cards for pre-orders before shipping his not-yet-published book and then called someone who politely objected to that a "whiny sanctimonious asshole.
"See Flip Philips' blog entry about the scandal here [skidmore.edu] </sentencetext>
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	<title>You need to analyze both sides of the data</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1268063160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, you must establish the mean and median values before presenting anything useful.<br>B====D</p><p>But, sometimes when I think of how much the government is spending I feel like this:<br>B=D</p><p>Then I see how much direct and indirect benefit we gain. This encompasses both the stability of the banking industry as well as the day-to-day unemployment numbers.<br>B========D</p><p>But what is really important is that we get universal healthcare coverage.<br>B========D~~~~~</p><p>BD</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , you must establish the mean and median values before presenting anything useful.B = = = = DBut , sometimes when I think of how much the government is spending I feel like this : B = DThen I see how much direct and indirect benefit we gain .
This encompasses both the stability of the banking industry as well as the day-to-day unemployment numbers.B = = = = = = = = DBut what is really important is that we get universal healthcare coverage.B = = = = = = = = D ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ BD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, you must establish the mean and median values before presenting anything useful.B====DBut, sometimes when I think of how much the government is spending I feel like this:B=DThen I see how much direct and indirect benefit we gain.
This encompasses both the stability of the banking industry as well as the day-to-day unemployment numbers.B========DBut what is really important is that we get universal healthcare coverage.B========D~~~~~BD</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1318244.31400818</id>
	<title>The whole world loves us now!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268065080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7396358/The-end-of-the-road-for-Barack-Obama.html" title="telegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7396358/The-end-of-the-road-for-Barack-Obama.html</a> [telegraph.co.uk]</p><p>My favorite line from the article:</p><p>"Mr Obama benefited in his campaign from an idiotic level of idolatry, in which most of the media participated with an astonishing suspension of cynicism."</p><p>Sounds like what I was saying in early 2007, but no one wanted to listen.  Now a foreign observer, much more impartial than our own media, is saying exactly the same thing.  Gee, I thought Obama was going to usher in a new era of global peace and prosperity.  What happened?  I would venture to guess that it has something to do with the fact that he has never run even so much as a convenience store, and now his naivete and inexperience are catching up to his vacuous rhetoric.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7396358/The-end-of-the-road-for-Barack-Obama.html [ telegraph.co.uk ] My favorite line from the article : " Mr Obama benefited in his campaign from an idiotic level of idolatry , in which most of the media participated with an astonishing suspension of cynicism .
" Sounds like what I was saying in early 2007 , but no one wanted to listen .
Now a foreign observer , much more impartial than our own media , is saying exactly the same thing .
Gee , I thought Obama was going to usher in a new era of global peace and prosperity .
What happened ?
I would venture to guess that it has something to do with the fact that he has never run even so much as a convenience store , and now his naivete and inexperience are catching up to his vacuous rhetoric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7396358/The-end-of-the-road-for-Barack-Obama.html [telegraph.co.uk]My favorite line from the article:"Mr Obama benefited in his campaign from an idiotic level of idolatry, in which most of the media participated with an astonishing suspension of cynicism.
"Sounds like what I was saying in early 2007, but no one wanted to listen.
Now a foreign observer, much more impartial than our own media, is saying exactly the same thing.
Gee, I thought Obama was going to usher in a new era of global peace and prosperity.
What happened?
I would venture to guess that it has something to do with the fact that he has never run even so much as a convenience store, and now his naivete and inexperience are catching up to his vacuous rhetoric.</sentencetext>
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