<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_06_1828217</id>
	<title>PayPal Freezes Cryptome's Account</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267904040000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>grimwell sends in the news that after Cryptome's <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/1939257/Cryptome-in-Hot-Water-Again">little run-in with Microsoft</a> and NetSol, the activist site has now had its <a href="http://cryptome.org/0001/cryptome-sar.htm">funds frozen by PayPal</a>. Cryptome founder John Young notes, "Google lists <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=\%22paypal+limited+account+access">thousands of instances</a> of this asymmetrical high-handedness." <i>"We have reviewed your PayPal Account, and due to the excessive risk involved, we would like to begin parting ways in a manner that is least disruptive to your business."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>grimwell sends in the news that after Cryptome 's little run-in with Microsoft and NetSol , the activist site has now had its funds frozen by PayPal .
Cryptome founder John Young notes , " Google lists thousands of instances of this asymmetrical high-handedness .
" " We have reviewed your PayPal Account , and due to the excessive risk involved , we would like to begin parting ways in a manner that is least disruptive to your business .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>grimwell sends in the news that after Cryptome's little run-in with Microsoft and NetSol, the activist site has now had its funds frozen by PayPal.
Cryptome founder John Young notes, "Google lists thousands of instances of this asymmetrical high-handedness.
" "We have reviewed your PayPal Account, and due to the excessive risk involved, we would like to begin parting ways in a manner that is least disruptive to your business.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31384542</id>
	<title>Paypal may not be evil in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267878780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont know the specifics of this case but in some cases they may do the "freeze the account until a full ID check has been done" because they have detected activity that would require the filing of a US government "suspicious activity report". Because normal PayPal sign-up does not involve carrying out the ID check you get with regular banks, anytime transactions happen that would require a SAR (which requires disclosing full details of the account holder), PayPal has to freeze the account and conduct the ID check so they can file the SAR.</p><p>Any transaction over $10,000 requires a SAR, as does a series of transactions between A and B that total to more than $10,000. There are other triggers but I cant find any sources of info on those.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont know the specifics of this case but in some cases they may do the " freeze the account until a full ID check has been done " because they have detected activity that would require the filing of a US government " suspicious activity report " .
Because normal PayPal sign-up does not involve carrying out the ID check you get with regular banks , anytime transactions happen that would require a SAR ( which requires disclosing full details of the account holder ) , PayPal has to freeze the account and conduct the ID check so they can file the SAR.Any transaction over $ 10,000 requires a SAR , as does a series of transactions between A and B that total to more than $ 10,000 .
There are other triggers but I cant find any sources of info on those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont know the specifics of this case but in some cases they may do the "freeze the account until a full ID check has been done" because they have detected activity that would require the filing of a US government "suspicious activity report".
Because normal PayPal sign-up does not involve carrying out the ID check you get with regular banks, anytime transactions happen that would require a SAR (which requires disclosing full details of the account holder), PayPal has to freeze the account and conduct the ID check so they can file the SAR.Any transaction over $10,000 requires a SAR, as does a series of transactions between A and B that total to more than $10,000.
There are other triggers but I cant find any sources of info on those.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31386280</id>
	<title>google checkout</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267894140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if I'm not mistaken (I very well could be) Google Checkout works in Canada too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if I 'm not mistaken ( I very well could be ) Google Checkout works in Canada too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if I'm not mistaken (I very well could be) Google Checkout works in Canada too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383072</id>
	<title>This sucks, but is it wrong?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267867320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This definitely sucks for cryptome.  But has PayPal actually done anything wrong?</p><p>It seems to me that PayPal isn't trying to be evil here; rather, they made a business decision that cryptome wasn't an organization they wanted to do business with.  Businesses make such decisions every day -- car rental companies in Canada, for example, often refuse to rent cars to anyone under age 25 -- so why is it different when PayPal does the same thing?</p><p>(For the record, my company only takes payments via PayPal, but I'm eagerly looking forward to the day when Amazon Payments or Google Checkout start accepting Canadian merchants.  I don't like PayPal either; I just think they're not being evil <i>in this case</i>.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This definitely sucks for cryptome .
But has PayPal actually done anything wrong ? It seems to me that PayPal is n't trying to be evil here ; rather , they made a business decision that cryptome was n't an organization they wanted to do business with .
Businesses make such decisions every day -- car rental companies in Canada , for example , often refuse to rent cars to anyone under age 25 -- so why is it different when PayPal does the same thing ?
( For the record , my company only takes payments via PayPal , but I 'm eagerly looking forward to the day when Amazon Payments or Google Checkout start accepting Canadian merchants .
I do n't like PayPal either ; I just think they 're not being evil in this case .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This definitely sucks for cryptome.
But has PayPal actually done anything wrong?It seems to me that PayPal isn't trying to be evil here; rather, they made a business decision that cryptome wasn't an organization they wanted to do business with.
Businesses make such decisions every day -- car rental companies in Canada, for example, often refuse to rent cars to anyone under age 25 -- so why is it different when PayPal does the same thing?
(For the record, my company only takes payments via PayPal, but I'm eagerly looking forward to the day when Amazon Payments or Google Checkout start accepting Canadian merchants.
I don't like PayPal either; I just think they're not being evil in this case.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383672</id>
	<title>Simple suggestion</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1267871520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>we would like to begin parting ways in a manner that is least disruptive to your business.</p></div><p>Well, they could start by NOT grabbing the money for 180 days. I wonder how paypal would feel about it if someone held onto money owed to them for 180 days just because they could.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>we would like to begin parting ways in a manner that is least disruptive to your business.Well , they could start by NOT grabbing the money for 180 days .
I wonder how paypal would feel about it if someone held onto money owed to them for 180 days just because they could .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we would like to begin parting ways in a manner that is least disruptive to your business.Well, they could start by NOT grabbing the money for 180 days.
I wonder how paypal would feel about it if someone held onto money owed to them for 180 days just because they could.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31384184</id>
	<title>Paypal Alternative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267875420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.merchantinc.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.merchantinc.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.merchantinc.com/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383254</id>
	<title>Behind the scenes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267868520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PayPal employees I used to know not only delighted in the "parting ways" email, they'd actively laugh at how there as no avenue of appeal so the customer was entirely SOL. With so many companies prostrating themselves to keep business, it's undeniably liberating to be able to flip clients off with company approval.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PayPal employees I used to know not only delighted in the " parting ways " email , they 'd actively laugh at how there as no avenue of appeal so the customer was entirely SOL .
With so many companies prostrating themselves to keep business , it 's undeniably liberating to be able to flip clients off with company approval .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PayPal employees I used to know not only delighted in the "parting ways" email, they'd actively laugh at how there as no avenue of appeal so the customer was entirely SOL.
With so many companies prostrating themselves to keep business, it's undeniably liberating to be able to flip clients off with company approval.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31387884</id>
	<title>Flattr might fit the bill</title>
	<author>ickeicke</author>
	<datestamp>1267959000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/0251259/Ex-Pirate-Bay-Admin-Launches-Micropayment-Service" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/0251259/Ex-Pirate-Bay-Admin-Launches-Micropayment-Service</a> [slashdot.org]
<br>
<br>
Flattr might fit the bill. Though primarily intended for (media)content providers, I don't see any reason why it should not work for giving micropayments to sites such as Cryptome (which of course is also a content provider in a way).</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/0251259/Ex-Pirate-Bay-Admin-Launches-Micropayment-Service [ slashdot.org ] Flattr might fit the bill .
Though primarily intended for ( media ) content providers , I do n't see any reason why it should not work for giving micropayments to sites such as Cryptome ( which of course is also a content provider in a way ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/0251259/Ex-Pirate-Bay-Admin-Launches-Micropayment-Service [slashdot.org]


Flattr might fit the bill.
Though primarily intended for (media)content providers, I don't see any reason why it should not work for giving micropayments to sites such as Cryptome (which of course is also a content provider in a way).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31382764</id>
	<title>Paypal AUP only states sales of infringing goods</title>
	<author>kaptink</author>
	<datestamp>1267908540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paypals AUP states as part of its AUP "prohibited activities" that you may not receive payments relating to the *sales* of goods that "infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction". Keyword here being sales. Given that cryptome does not actually sell anything and paypal is used for donations only makes this act by paypal to be somewhat unwarranted I would have thought. Even tho companies tend to do as they please. Will be interested to see what happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paypals AUP states as part of its AUP " prohibited activities " that you may not receive payments relating to the * sales * of goods that " infringe or violate any copyright , trademark , right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction " .
Keyword here being sales .
Given that cryptome does not actually sell anything and paypal is used for donations only makes this act by paypal to be somewhat unwarranted I would have thought .
Even tho companies tend to do as they please .
Will be interested to see what happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paypals AUP states as part of its AUP "prohibited activities" that you may not receive payments relating to the *sales* of goods that "infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction".
Keyword here being sales.
Given that cryptome does not actually sell anything and paypal is used for donations only makes this act by paypal to be somewhat unwarranted I would have thought.
Even tho companies tend to do as they please.
Will be interested to see what happens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383934</id>
	<title>Here we are again</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1267873500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... didn't this just happen to Wikileaks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... did n't this just happen to Wikileaks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... didn't this just happen to Wikileaks?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31386510</id>
	<title>Re:This sucks, but is it wrong?</title>
	<author>RoboRay</author>
	<datestamp>1267897080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PayPal doesn't need to <b>try</b> to be evil...  It just comes naturally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PayPal does n't need to try to be evil... It just comes naturally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PayPal doesn't need to try to be evil...  It just comes naturally.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383072</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383174</id>
	<title>Collections department(s)?</title>
	<author>sjdude</author>
	<datestamp>1267868040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long before people begin to set up Cryptome Benefit sites that accept PayPal donations for Cryptome, and then forward the money to them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long before people begin to set up Cryptome Benefit sites that accept PayPal donations for Cryptome , and then forward the money to them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long before people begin to set up Cryptome Benefit sites that accept PayPal donations for Cryptome, and then forward the money to them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383952</id>
	<title>Re:Donations only service</title>
	<author>lieutenant</author>
	<datestamp>1267873680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My friend built the exact website http://www.litrom.com , online donations to non profits (over 400 of them), only available in Israel though, for now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My friend built the exact website http : //www.litrom.com , online donations to non profits ( over 400 of them ) , only available in Israel though , for now : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My friend built the exact website http://www.litrom.com , online donations to non profits (over 400 of them), only available in Israel though, for now :(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31385010</id>
	<title>Try GunPal Instead</title>
	<author>Kartoffel</author>
	<datestamp>1267882800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not trying to advertize, but if PalPal's politics rub you the wrong way, try GunPal instead.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUNPAL" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUNPAL</a> [wikipedia.org]
<a href="https://www.gunpal.com/" title="gunpal.com">https://www.gunpal.com/</a> [gunpal.com]?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not trying to advertize , but if PalPal 's politics rub you the wrong way , try GunPal instead .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUNPAL [ wikipedia.org ] https : //www.gunpal.com/ [ gunpal.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not trying to advertize, but if PalPal's politics rub you the wrong way, try GunPal instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUNPAL [wikipedia.org]
https://www.gunpal.com/ [gunpal.com]?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383032</id>
	<title>Donations only service</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267867080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't want an alternative to payapl to buy stuff, because plastic cards work for that or postal money orders, that's the existing alternative, but an online "donations only" service, so it could be used for micro or "minimal" payments would be interesting. Something with a much smaller transaction fee, and geared to only non profit orgs to receive funding. The service itself could/should be a non profit org as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want an alternative to payapl to buy stuff , because plastic cards work for that or postal money orders , that 's the existing alternative , but an online " donations only " service , so it could be used for micro or " minimal " payments would be interesting .
Something with a much smaller transaction fee , and geared to only non profit orgs to receive funding .
The service itself could/should be a non profit org as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want an alternative to payapl to buy stuff, because plastic cards work for that or postal money orders, that's the existing alternative, but an online "donations only" service, so it could be used for micro or "minimal" payments would be interesting.
Something with a much smaller transaction fee, and geared to only non profit orgs to receive funding.
The service itself could/should be a non profit org as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31387416</id>
	<title>Re:Paypal may not be evil in all cases</title>
	<author>KamuZ</author>
	<datestamp>1267994520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This also happen to real banks when transferring money overseas (pretty easy with PayPal as the funding source can be almost everywhere).</p><p>This is to stop money laundry or fund terrorism.<br>I know PayPal is not a bank but then again, they can get in trouble while moving money.<br>I have the feeling this is probably something like when someone buys stolen goods, even if this person wasn't involved, well they should have tried to make sure it was legitimate. Maybe some people donating are fake or similar and having these transactions are a big risk.</p><p>Not saying holding your money for 6 months is good.</p><p>What do you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This also happen to real banks when transferring money overseas ( pretty easy with PayPal as the funding source can be almost everywhere ) .This is to stop money laundry or fund terrorism.I know PayPal is not a bank but then again , they can get in trouble while moving money.I have the feeling this is probably something like when someone buys stolen goods , even if this person was n't involved , well they should have tried to make sure it was legitimate .
Maybe some people donating are fake or similar and having these transactions are a big risk.Not saying holding your money for 6 months is good.What do you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This also happen to real banks when transferring money overseas (pretty easy with PayPal as the funding source can be almost everywhere).This is to stop money laundry or fund terrorism.I know PayPal is not a bank but then again, they can get in trouble while moving money.I have the feeling this is probably something like when someone buys stolen goods, even if this person wasn't involved, well they should have tried to make sure it was legitimate.
Maybe some people donating are fake or similar and having these transactions are a big risk.Not saying holding your money for 6 months is good.What do you think?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31384542</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31382014</id>
	<title>What's a Paypal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267904040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have, and will continue to, refuse to conduct business with online entities that do not support a non-Paypal option. I have never used Paypal, and I don't anticipate that this will change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have , and will continue to , refuse to conduct business with online entities that do not support a non-Paypal option .
I have never used Paypal , and I do n't anticipate that this will change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have, and will continue to, refuse to conduct business with online entities that do not support a non-Paypal option.
I have never used Paypal, and I don't anticipate that this will change.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383670</id>
	<title>Re:Donations only service</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1267871520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There needs to be an alternative for small businesses and regular folk to collect money, something that has no monthly fee and only takes a small percentage (the smaller the better, obviously) of the transaction.  No one has come up with anything to replace paypal for this.  Why, I don't know, given that paypal seems to be inviting competition by pissing so many people off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There needs to be an alternative for small businesses and regular folk to collect money , something that has no monthly fee and only takes a small percentage ( the smaller the better , obviously ) of the transaction .
No one has come up with anything to replace paypal for this .
Why , I do n't know , given that paypal seems to be inviting competition by pissing so many people off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There needs to be an alternative for small businesses and regular folk to collect money, something that has no monthly fee and only takes a small percentage (the smaller the better, obviously) of the transaction.
No one has come up with anything to replace paypal for this.
Why, I don't know, given that paypal seems to be inviting competition by pissing so many people off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383412</id>
	<title>Just dont use Network Solutions.</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1267869720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it is one of the bad reputation registrars in such cases, along with godaddy and 1&amp;1. they should have gone with a more reliable and by the book registrar like enom</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it is one of the bad reputation registrars in such cases , along with godaddy and 1&amp;1 .
they should have gone with a more reliable and by the book registrar like enom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is one of the bad reputation registrars in such cases, along with godaddy and 1&amp;1.
they should have gone with a more reliable and by the book registrar like enom</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31387536</id>
	<title>Goodbye Paypal</title>
	<author>Your Anus</author>
	<datestamp>1267952880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I closed my paypal account and told them their policies sucked when they asked me why. I opened a Gunpal account instead (it was started because apypal banned gun sales, but it's useful for any transaction).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I closed my paypal account and told them their policies sucked when they asked me why .
I opened a Gunpal account instead ( it was started because apypal banned gun sales , but it 's useful for any transaction ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I closed my paypal account and told them their policies sucked when they asked me why.
I opened a Gunpal account instead (it was started because apypal banned gun sales, but it's useful for any transaction).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383766</id>
	<title>Wire transfer</title>
	<author>TheMidget</author>
	<datestamp>1267872420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why don't cryptome post an account number where people can wire donations to? Yes, there are fees to a wire transfer, but for many they are not <em>that</em> huge, and many people probably won't mind.<p>
If the possibility existed, I'd wire them &euro;50 in a moment, and wouldn't even mind &euro;10 fees...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't cryptome post an account number where people can wire donations to ?
Yes , there are fees to a wire transfer , but for many they are not that huge , and many people probably wo n't mind .
If the possibility existed , I 'd wire them    50 in a moment , and would n't even mind    10 fees.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't cryptome post an account number where people can wire donations to?
Yes, there are fees to a wire transfer, but for many they are not that huge, and many people probably won't mind.
If the possibility existed, I'd wire them €50 in a moment, and wouldn't even mind €10 fees...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383226</id>
	<title>Re:This sucks, but is it wrong?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267868340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it wrong to deny you access to thousands of dollars that belong to you, hold them hostage for 6 months, and then deduct a huge fee before finally wiring it to your bank (if at all)? Definitely sounds like fraud to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it wrong to deny you access to thousands of dollars that belong to you , hold them hostage for 6 months , and then deduct a huge fee before finally wiring it to your bank ( if at all ) ?
Definitely sounds like fraud to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it wrong to deny you access to thousands of dollars that belong to you, hold them hostage for 6 months, and then deduct a huge fee before finally wiring it to your bank (if at all)?
Definitely sounds like fraud to me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383072</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31388352</id>
	<title>PayPal == FRAUDSTERS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267966320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had my money withdrawn to by bank 1 month ago and I have still not received the amount, while the PayPal transaction status is showing "complete", which is absolutely rip off. After an email complaint, they replied that from PayPal side the transaction is "complete" and I should go and have a chat with the person who manages electronic transactions at the bank. WTF??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had my money withdrawn to by bank 1 month ago and I have still not received the amount , while the PayPal transaction status is showing " complete " , which is absolutely rip off .
After an email complaint , they replied that from PayPal side the transaction is " complete " and I should go and have a chat with the person who manages electronic transactions at the bank .
WTF ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had my money withdrawn to by bank 1 month ago and I have still not received the amount, while the PayPal transaction status is showing "complete", which is absolutely rip off.
After an email complaint, they replied that from PayPal side the transaction is "complete" and I should go and have a chat with the person who manages electronic transactions at the bank.
WTF??</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31387316</id>
	<title>Anybody getting funked by paypal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267992900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is a doofus and had it coming. Paypal is your average criminal company and there's plenty of evidence suggesting it online. If you're too dumb to not do your homework it's hard to feel sorry for you for losing your money to them. Call it dumb tax.</p><p>Having said that I would certainly have a little celebration should someone bomb paypal offices.</p><p>Ah, dumbshits and evil fuckers, my 2 favorite kind of people...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is a doofus and had it coming .
Paypal is your average criminal company and there 's plenty of evidence suggesting it online .
If you 're too dumb to not do your homework it 's hard to feel sorry for you for losing your money to them .
Call it dumb tax.Having said that I would certainly have a little celebration should someone bomb paypal offices.Ah , dumbshits and evil fuckers , my 2 favorite kind of people.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is a doofus and had it coming.
Paypal is your average criminal company and there's plenty of evidence suggesting it online.
If you're too dumb to not do your homework it's hard to feel sorry for you for losing your money to them.
Call it dumb tax.Having said that I would certainly have a little celebration should someone bomb paypal offices.Ah, dumbshits and evil fuckers, my 2 favorite kind of people...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31382848</id>
	<title>Paypal and fraud...</title>
	<author>hadesan</author>
	<datestamp>1267909140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>With heightened visibility comes more scrutiny. Paypal and their more shady customers probably don't want anymore light shown on their activities. Better for paypal to dump cryptome to protect their "more lucrative" albeit more less forthright customers...<p>Here is a lovely site for some light reading... <a href="http://www.paypalsucks.com/" title="paypalsucks.com">http://www.paypalsucks.com/</a> [paypalsucks.com] </p><p>Also an interesting story on a new scam in Boston on a scam using facebook, twitter, and Paypal <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking\_news/2010/03/6000\_fall\_prey.html" title="boston.com">http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking\_news/2010/03/6000\_fall\_prey.html</a> [boston.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With heightened visibility comes more scrutiny .
Paypal and their more shady customers probably do n't want anymore light shown on their activities .
Better for paypal to dump cryptome to protect their " more lucrative " albeit more less forthright customers...Here is a lovely site for some light reading... http : //www.paypalsucks.com/ [ paypalsucks.com ] Also an interesting story on a new scam in Boston on a scam using facebook , twitter , and Paypal http : //www.boston.com/news/local/breaking \ _news/2010/03/6000 \ _fall \ _prey.html [ boston.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With heightened visibility comes more scrutiny.
Paypal and their more shady customers probably don't want anymore light shown on their activities.
Better for paypal to dump cryptome to protect their "more lucrative" albeit more less forthright customers...Here is a lovely site for some light reading... http://www.paypalsucks.com/ [paypalsucks.com] Also an interesting story on a new scam in Boston on a scam using facebook, twitter, and Paypal http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking\_news/2010/03/6000\_fall\_prey.html [boston.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383662</id>
	<title>Lay down with the devil ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267871520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have no pity for those using PayPal. It is not as if PayPal users couldn't know in advance with whom they are dealing.</p><p>PayPal freezes your funds? They just make you pay an idiot tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no pity for those using PayPal .
It is not as if PayPal users could n't know in advance with whom they are dealing.PayPal freezes your funds ?
They just make you pay an idiot tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no pity for those using PayPal.
It is not as if PayPal users couldn't know in advance with whom they are dealing.PayPal freezes your funds?
They just make you pay an idiot tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31382996</id>
	<title>Strategic Attack On Banks?</title>
	<author>DustoneGT</author>
	<datestamp>1267866840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was also a recent story about a blogger who had his Citi account closed because he was controversial. Could this be a new trend? Could there be a back story here? I mean law firms of the big players might threaten to sue the bank of an enemy to make life difficult. Let's call this BLAPP, Banking Lawsuit Against Public Participation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was also a recent story about a blogger who had his Citi account closed because he was controversial .
Could this be a new trend ?
Could there be a back story here ?
I mean law firms of the big players might threaten to sue the bank of an enemy to make life difficult .
Let 's call this BLAPP , Banking Lawsuit Against Public Participation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was also a recent story about a blogger who had his Citi account closed because he was controversial.
Could this be a new trend?
Could there be a back story here?
I mean law firms of the big players might threaten to sue the bank of an enemy to make life difficult.
Let's call this BLAPP, Banking Lawsuit Against Public Participation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31384982</id>
	<title>Re:This sucks, but is it wrong?</title>
	<author>Fnord666</author>
	<datestamp>1267882500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Businesses make such decisions every day -- car rental companies in Canada, for example,
often refuse to rent cars to anyone under age 25 -- so why is it different when PayPal does the same thing?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
It would only be the same thing if the car company agreed to rent a car to you, took a week's worth of rental
from you in cash, then said that since you were under 25 they were prohibited by policy to rent the car to you.
Furthermore they would be holding your cash for six months while they investigated why you wanted to
rent a car in the first place.  If they didn't find any evidence of "wrongdoing" then at that time they would
refund your money to you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Businesses make such decisions every day -- car rental companies in Canada , for example , often refuse to rent cars to anyone under age 25 -- so why is it different when PayPal does the same thing ?
It would only be the same thing if the car company agreed to rent a car to you , took a week 's worth of rental from you in cash , then said that since you were under 25 they were prohibited by policy to rent the car to you .
Furthermore they would be holding your cash for six months while they investigated why you wanted to rent a car in the first place .
If they did n't find any evidence of " wrongdoing " then at that time they would refund your money to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Businesses make such decisions every day -- car rental companies in Canada, for example,
often refuse to rent cars to anyone under age 25 -- so why is it different when PayPal does the same thing?
It would only be the same thing if the car company agreed to rent a car to you, took a week's worth of rental
from you in cash, then said that since you were under 25 they were prohibited by policy to rent the car to you.
Furthermore they would be holding your cash for six months while they investigated why you wanted to
rent a car in the first place.
If they didn't find any evidence of "wrongdoing" then at that time they would
refund your money to you.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31388536</id>
	<title>PayPal alternative</title>
	<author>legio\_noctis</author>
	<datestamp>1267968240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are there any?</p><p>If only someone big, like Google, would set up a real alternative. (I reckon they would make a point of <em>not</em> blocking people's accounts for no reason, though I'm not sure if I want them controlling any more of my life)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are there any ? If only someone big , like Google , would set up a real alternative .
( I reckon they would make a point of not blocking people 's accounts for no reason , though I 'm not sure if I want them controlling any more of my life )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are there any?If only someone big, like Google, would set up a real alternative.
(I reckon they would make a point of not blocking people's accounts for no reason, though I'm not sure if I want them controlling any more of my life)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31408268</id>
	<title>Here's some common sense:</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1268055660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do NOT use your business/personal bank account for paypal deposits.</p><p>You open a totally seperate account, then move money out of it when it comes in.   This way, if Paypal freezes it, it doesn't hurt ya.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do NOT use your business/personal bank account for paypal deposits.You open a totally seperate account , then move money out of it when it comes in .
This way , if Paypal freezes it , it does n't hurt ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do NOT use your business/personal bank account for paypal deposits.You open a totally seperate account, then move money out of it when it comes in.
This way, if Paypal freezes it, it doesn't hurt ya.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31383074</id>
	<title>If it works like a bank...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267867320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then Paypal should be regulated like one.  I think that they're doing JYA a favor by ending their business relationship.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then Paypal should be regulated like one .
I think that they 're doing JYA a favor by ending their business relationship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then Paypal should be regulated like one.
I think that they're doing JYA a favor by ending their business relationship.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_1828217.31384340</id>
	<title>Do not use Paypal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267877040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I no longer use Paypal and I do not regret it one bit.  Sure it has limited my options a little but it is well worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I no longer use Paypal and I do not regret it one bit .
Sure it has limited my options a little but it is well worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I no longer use Paypal and I do not regret it one bit.
Sure it has limited my options a little but it is well worth it.</sentencetext>
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