<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_06_0343220</id>
	<title>TiVo Time Warp Judgment Affirmed</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267877220000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>zapakh writes <i>"A federal appeals court this week upheld a lower court decision that accused DISH Network and EchoStar of <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2360945,00.asp">continuing to infringe on TiVo patents</a>.'  This is a follow-on to <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/08/0052232/TiVo-Wins-Appeal-On-Patents-For-Pause-Ffwd-Rwd?art\_pos=16">a Slashdot story</a> from October.  Despite a 'Herculean effort' by EchoStar in redesigning its DVR software, the ruling agrees with the district court that that was not a major redesign of the software.  <a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6233389.html">The patent in question</a> is titled 'Multimedia time warping system.' <a href="http://pr.tivo.com/easyir/customrel.do?easyirid=CA934452BA6418EF&amp;version=live&amp;prid=593321&amp;releasejsp=custom\_150">TiVo is pleased</a> with the ruling."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>zapakh writes " A federal appeals court this week upheld a lower court decision that accused DISH Network and EchoStar of continuing to infringe on TiVo patents .
' This is a follow-on to a Slashdot story from October .
Despite a 'Herculean effort ' by EchoStar in redesigning its DVR software , the ruling agrees with the district court that that was not a major redesign of the software .
The patent in question is titled 'Multimedia time warping system .
' TiVo is pleased with the ruling .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>zapakh writes "A federal appeals court this week upheld a lower court decision that accused DISH Network and EchoStar of continuing to infringe on TiVo patents.
'  This is a follow-on to a Slashdot story from October.
Despite a 'Herculean effort' by EchoStar in redesigning its DVR software, the ruling agrees with the district court that that was not a major redesign of the software.
The patent in question is titled 'Multimedia time warping system.
' TiVo is pleased with the ruling.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31381616</id>
	<title>Duh - stupid judge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267899900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only problem is that patent listed isn't valid for Dish...</p><p>"convert to mpeg"...<br>dish records the digital signal *as is* - it's already digital, it just records the stream.<br>it doesn't convert digital to analog, then to mpeg - as the patent would show - since it's all about converting analog signals to mpeg.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only problem is that patent listed is n't valid for Dish... " convert to mpeg " ...dish records the digital signal * as is * - it 's already digital , it just records the stream.it does n't convert digital to analog , then to mpeg - as the patent would show - since it 's all about converting analog signals to mpeg .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only problem is that patent listed isn't valid for Dish..."convert to mpeg"...dish records the digital signal *as is* - it's already digital, it just records the stream.it doesn't convert digital to analog, then to mpeg - as the patent would show - since it's all about converting analog signals to mpeg.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380168</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1267884600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firstly, because it does a different thing (this is about watching a recording while recording, not watching live TV while recording), secondly it does it in a different way.  Patents are for implementations.  The title is just a description.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firstly , because it does a different thing ( this is about watching a recording while recording , not watching live TV while recording ) , secondly it does it in a different way .
Patents are for implementations .
The title is just a description .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firstly, because it does a different thing (this is about watching a recording while recording, not watching live TV while recording), secondly it does it in a different way.
Patents are for implementations.
The title is just a description.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31381698</id>
	<title>Re:Dump TiVo for MythTV</title>
	<author>pongo000</author>
	<datestamp>1267900800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV:</i></p><p><i><a href="http://www.mythtv.org/" title="mythtv.org">http://www.mythtv.org/</a> [mythtv.org]</i></p><p><i>If you're a geek and don't know about it, check it! We need more devices with MythTV preloaded on them.<br></i></p><p>After several years of MythTV, the final straw was the removal of device support for my PVR-350.  My time is simply worth more than the 20+ hours I probably spent over the years upgrading my MythTV box, hand-building device drivers, and dealing with other issues such as loss of audio.</p><p>If you value your time, I would suggest MythTV is not for you.  I finally retired the box and got <a href="http://www.moxi.com/" title="moxi.com">a 3-tuner DVR</a> [moxi.com].  Proprietary?  Yes.  (Actually, Linux under the cover, but good luck hacking it.) But it works consistently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV : http : //www.mythtv.org/ [ mythtv.org ] If you 're a geek and do n't know about it , check it !
We need more devices with MythTV preloaded on them.After several years of MythTV , the final straw was the removal of device support for my PVR-350 .
My time is simply worth more than the 20 + hours I probably spent over the years upgrading my MythTV box , hand-building device drivers , and dealing with other issues such as loss of audio.If you value your time , I would suggest MythTV is not for you .
I finally retired the box and got a 3-tuner DVR [ moxi.com ] .
Proprietary ? Yes .
( Actually , Linux under the cover , but good luck hacking it .
) But it works consistently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV:http://www.mythtv.org/ [mythtv.org]If you're a geek and don't know about it, check it!
We need more devices with MythTV preloaded on them.After several years of MythTV, the final straw was the removal of device support for my PVR-350.
My time is simply worth more than the 20+ hours I probably spent over the years upgrading my MythTV box, hand-building device drivers, and dealing with other issues such as loss of audio.If you value your time, I would suggest MythTV is not for you.
I finally retired the box and got a 3-tuner DVR [moxi.com].
Proprietary?  Yes.
(Actually, Linux under the cover, but good luck hacking it.
) But it works consistently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31381778</id>
	<title>FuCker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267901460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">every day...Like just yet, b0t I'm The project faces, Don't be a sling FreeBSD because</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>every day...Like just yet , b0t I 'm The project faces , Do n't be a sling FreeBSD because [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>every day...Like just yet, b0t I'm The project faces, Don't be a sling FreeBSD because [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380078</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>clang\_jangle</author>
	<datestamp>1267882800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably because this patent had the phrase "using a <b> <i>computer</i> </b>".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably because this patent had the phrase " using a computer " .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably because this patent had the phrase "using a  computer ".
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380100</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267883100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> The patent in question is titled 'Multimedia <b>time warping</b> system.' TiVo is pleased with the ruling."</p></div><p>Why don't DISH and EchoStar simply project their media on the main deflector dish, entangled with a quantum subspace pulse? The resulting fractal verteron particles would properly time-shift 1940's novels in the holo emitters for Captain Picard. (provided a graviton wave in the primary phaser banks isn't accidentally induced. If that happened, engineering would need to ionise the positronic charge to the optronic relays to initiate localized harmonic interference to the warp reactor.).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The patent in question is titled 'Multimedia time warping system .
' TiVo is pleased with the ruling .
" Why do n't DISH and EchoStar simply project their media on the main deflector dish , entangled with a quantum subspace pulse ?
The resulting fractal verteron particles would properly time-shift 1940 's novels in the holo emitters for Captain Picard .
( provided a graviton wave in the primary phaser banks is n't accidentally induced .
If that happened , engineering would need to ionise the positronic charge to the optronic relays to initiate localized harmonic interference to the warp reactor .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The patent in question is titled 'Multimedia time warping system.
' TiVo is pleased with the ruling.
"Why don't DISH and EchoStar simply project their media on the main deflector dish, entangled with a quantum subspace pulse?
The resulting fractal verteron particles would properly time-shift 1940's novels in the holo emitters for Captain Picard.
(provided a graviton wave in the primary phaser banks isn't accidentally induced.
If that happened, engineering would need to ionise the positronic charge to the optronic relays to initiate localized harmonic interference to the warp reactor.
).
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380012</id>
	<title>Frosty piss ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267881000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sux0rs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sux0rs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sux0rs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31381324</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1267897260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Things like instant replay are impossible with a VCR.</p><p>True, but all of the TIVO patents fall out as a self evident use of a non-linear storage medium like a hard drive.  They didn't invent ANYTHING.  They didn't invent computerized video capture, they didn't even exist when MPEG was standardized and they didn't create the all in one encoder/decoder chips they used.  I saw ALL of that in the early 1990's when I first saw a video capture board in use, it was only a matter of having big enough hard drives to make capture and storage of video practical.</p><p>So fuck TIVO directly in the mouth for their crime of attempting to game the patent system to hold up progress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Things like instant replay are impossible with a VCR.True , but all of the TIVO patents fall out as a self evident use of a non-linear storage medium like a hard drive .
They did n't invent ANYTHING .
They did n't invent computerized video capture , they did n't even exist when MPEG was standardized and they did n't create the all in one encoder/decoder chips they used .
I saw ALL of that in the early 1990 's when I first saw a video capture board in use , it was only a matter of having big enough hard drives to make capture and storage of video practical.So fuck TIVO directly in the mouth for their crime of attempting to game the patent system to hold up progress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Things like instant replay are impossible with a VCR.True, but all of the TIVO patents fall out as a self evident use of a non-linear storage medium like a hard drive.
They didn't invent ANYTHING.
They didn't invent computerized video capture, they didn't even exist when MPEG was standardized and they didn't create the all in one encoder/decoder chips they used.
I saw ALL of that in the early 1990's when I first saw a video capture board in use, it was only a matter of having big enough hard drives to make capture and storage of video practical.So fuck TIVO directly in the mouth for their crime of attempting to game the patent system to hold up progress.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380174</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267884600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the patent, in the prior art section "However, a VCR cannot both capture and play back information at the same time."<br>While your button allowed you to watch and record, you couldn't rewind and record at the same time, which is what the patent claims. Things like instant replay are impossible with a VCR.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the patent , in the prior art section " However , a VCR can not both capture and play back information at the same time .
" While your button allowed you to watch and record , you could n't rewind and record at the same time , which is what the patent claims .
Things like instant replay are impossible with a VCR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the patent, in the prior art section "However, a VCR cannot both capture and play back information at the same time.
"While your button allowed you to watch and record, you couldn't rewind and record at the same time, which is what the patent claims.
Things like instant replay are impossible with a VCR.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380060</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31381660</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267900620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course, the duel deck VCRs could watch a recording and record something different at the same time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , the duel deck VCRs could watch a recording and record something different at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, the duel deck VCRs could watch a recording and record something different at the same time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380034</id>
	<title>Fuck patents.</title>
	<author>MrNaz</author>
	<datestamp>1267881600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>n/t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>n/t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>n/t</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380264</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267885920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you're getting it right, really.
<br> <br>
It's EchoStar, a Federal District Court, a Federal Appeals Court, and dozens of lawyers and technical experts who have been doing their jobs for years who haven't appreciated this brilliant insight because you're JUST SO SMART.  With EchoStar on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars, they cheaped out once they couldn't find an old Magnavox VCR manual in their local library.
<br> <br>
Not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you 're getting it right , really .
It 's EchoStar , a Federal District Court , a Federal Appeals Court , and dozens of lawyers and technical experts who have been doing their jobs for years who have n't appreciated this brilliant insight because you 're JUST SO SMART .
With EchoStar on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars , they cheaped out once they could n't find an old Magnavox VCR manual in their local library .
Not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you're getting it right, really.
It's EchoStar, a Federal District Court, a Federal Appeals Court, and dozens of lawyers and technical experts who have been doing their jobs for years who haven't appreciated this brilliant insight because you're JUST SO SMART.
With EchoStar on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars, they cheaped out once they couldn't find an old Magnavox VCR manual in their local library.
Not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380060</id>
	<title>Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>Deorus</author>
	<datestamp>1267882440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I kinda recall doing that with my VHS, which had a button on the remote specifically designed to disable its transmitter thus allowing me to watch other TV channels as it recorded a specific channel back in 1990...  How come this wasn't used to invalidate the patent?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I kinda recall doing that with my VHS , which had a button on the remote specifically designed to disable its transmitter thus allowing me to watch other TV channels as it recorded a specific channel back in 1990... How come this was n't used to invalidate the patent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I kinda recall doing that with my VHS, which had a button on the remote specifically designed to disable its transmitter thus allowing me to watch other TV channels as it recorded a specific channel back in 1990...  How come this wasn't used to invalidate the patent?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31387904</id>
	<title>Re:more patent silliness</title>
	<author>kfsone</author>
	<datestamp>1267959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read the patent itself and not just the abstract, and frankly it strikes me as a case of the patent system actually working, for a change. The patent system is broken and needs fixing, but this isn't a case in point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read the patent itself and not just the abstract , and frankly it strikes me as a case of the patent system actually working , for a change .
The patent system is broken and needs fixing , but this is n't a case in point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read the patent itself and not just the abstract, and frankly it strikes me as a case of the patent system actually working, for a change.
The patent system is broken and needs fixing, but this isn't a case in point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380096</id>
	<title>Thank goodness the UK is different</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267882980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm so glad the system in the UK is different. We have a whole raft of time warping products available including the excellent Sky+. Now, i'm sure there are patents on much of the technology, thus protecting companies IP and encouraging innovation, however people are very free to come up with the same idea but implemented in a different way, or buy a licence and save on development costs and time.

It's like Dyson and the hoover. The patent is on the cyclone technology, not on "the ability to suck dust up off the floor".

Or have I missed the point and just continued the long and quite frankly boring by now patent argument?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm so glad the system in the UK is different .
We have a whole raft of time warping products available including the excellent Sky + .
Now , i 'm sure there are patents on much of the technology , thus protecting companies IP and encouraging innovation , however people are very free to come up with the same idea but implemented in a different way , or buy a licence and save on development costs and time .
It 's like Dyson and the hoover .
The patent is on the cyclone technology , not on " the ability to suck dust up off the floor " .
Or have I missed the point and just continued the long and quite frankly boring by now patent argument ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm so glad the system in the UK is different.
We have a whole raft of time warping products available including the excellent Sky+.
Now, i'm sure there are patents on much of the technology, thus protecting companies IP and encouraging innovation, however people are very free to come up with the same idea but implemented in a different way, or buy a licence and save on development costs and time.
It's like Dyson and the hoover.
The patent is on the cyclone technology, not on "the ability to suck dust up off the floor".
Or have I missed the point and just continued the long and quite frankly boring by now patent argument?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380072</id>
	<title>This just proves one thing to me:</title>
	<author>Grimbleton</author>
	<datestamp>1267882680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want nothing to do with those TiVo assholes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want nothing to do with those TiVo assholes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want nothing to do with those TiVo assholes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31381138</id>
	<title>can MythTV do cable card? pay sat tv?</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1267895340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as alot of people need that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as alot of people need that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as alot of people need that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380056</id>
	<title>What is a TV?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267882380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 80s called. They want their mass medium back!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 80s called .
They want their mass medium back !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 80s called.
They want their mass medium back!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31387702</id>
	<title>Re:Dump TiVo for MythTV</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1267955700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How long will it take TiVo to use this decision as a hammer agaiinst MythTV?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long will it take TiVo to use this decision as a hammer agaiinst MythTV ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long will it take TiVo to use this decision as a hammer agaiinst MythTV?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380038</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380112</id>
	<title>Re:Dump TiVo for MythTV</title>
	<author>OzPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1267883280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV:</p></div><p>Yes, the MythTV software is free, but how much would you pay for the equivalent TiVo hardware (including remote control) ?  I'll go out on a limb and posit that you can't match the TiVo package price for the same form-factor and functionality.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV : Yes , the MythTV software is free , but how much would you pay for the equivalent TiVo hardware ( including remote control ) ?
I 'll go out on a limb and posit that you ca n't match the TiVo package price for the same form-factor and functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV:Yes, the MythTV software is free, but how much would you pay for the equivalent TiVo hardware (including remote control) ?
I'll go out on a limb and posit that you can't match the TiVo package price for the same form-factor and functionality.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380292</id>
	<title>Re:Dump TiVo for MythTV</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1267886400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tivo are dying, all the cable companies will let you have a box that records simultaneous HD streams, allows you to access the recordings anywhere in your home on TVs or PCs, provides real TV on demand and manage your media, plus do all the widgets crap people think is so neat these days.</p></div><p>And you think the cable companies are developing all of this hardware and software themselves?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo are dying , all the cable companies will let you have a box that records simultaneous HD streams , allows you to access the recordings anywhere in your home on TVs or PCs , provides real TV on demand and manage your media , plus do all the widgets crap people think is so neat these days.And you think the cable companies are developing all of this hardware and software themselves ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo are dying, all the cable companies will let you have a box that records simultaneous HD streams, allows you to access the recordings anywhere in your home on TVs or PCs, provides real TV on demand and manage your media, plus do all the widgets crap people think is so neat these days.And you think the cable companies are developing all of this hardware and software themselves?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380148</id>
	<title>Re:Dump TiVo for MythTV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267884240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tivo are dying, all the cable companies will let you have a box that records simultaneous HD streams, allows you to access the recordings anywhere in your home on TVs or PCs, provides real TV on demand and manage your media, plus do all the widgets crap people think is so neat these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo are dying , all the cable companies will let you have a box that records simultaneous HD streams , allows you to access the recordings anywhere in your home on TVs or PCs , provides real TV on demand and manage your media , plus do all the widgets crap people think is so neat these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo are dying, all the cable companies will let you have a box that records simultaneous HD streams, allows you to access the recordings anywhere in your home on TVs or PCs, provides real TV on demand and manage your media, plus do all the widgets crap people think is so neat these days.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380494</id>
	<title>MPEG</title>
	<author>Florian Weimer</author>
	<datestamp>1267888800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With all those references to MPEG in the patent, couldn't they simply use Ogg Theora (or some other codec) to circumvent the patent?</p><p>The quoted patent does not seem overly broad to me (there's hardly an inventive step involved, but that's another matter). Are there other patents EchoStar is infringing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With all those references to MPEG in the patent , could n't they simply use Ogg Theora ( or some other codec ) to circumvent the patent ? The quoted patent does not seem overly broad to me ( there 's hardly an inventive step involved , but that 's another matter ) .
Are there other patents EchoStar is infringing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all those references to MPEG in the patent, couldn't they simply use Ogg Theora (or some other codec) to circumvent the patent?The quoted patent does not seem overly broad to me (there's hardly an inventive step involved, but that's another matter).
Are there other patents EchoStar is infringing?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31387932</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>kfsone</author>
	<datestamp>1267959720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you're not getting it right. "TimeWarp" refers to TiVo's ability to let you pause/rewind either the show being recorded or live tv. In effect, both are being recorded, but TiVO devised - and described in some depth in the full patent - a way to interact with both recording streams.</p><p>Say the live TV show pans out to be rubbish and you now want to watch the show you were recording? With a VCR you can either watch it live as it records, or you have to stop the recording to rewind.</p><p>With a TiVo (et al), you can switch to the recorded channel and jump to anywhere in what has been recorded: You can watch the intro, then skip forward past the opening commercials up to any point in the recording stream.</p><p>Couldn't do that with a VCR, and the TiVo spec covers a very specific way to implement doing it on a low-cost system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you 're not getting it right .
" TimeWarp " refers to TiVo 's ability to let you pause/rewind either the show being recorded or live tv .
In effect , both are being recorded , but TiVO devised - and described in some depth in the full patent - a way to interact with both recording streams.Say the live TV show pans out to be rubbish and you now want to watch the show you were recording ?
With a VCR you can either watch it live as it records , or you have to stop the recording to rewind.With a TiVo ( et al ) , you can switch to the recorded channel and jump to anywhere in what has been recorded : You can watch the intro , then skip forward past the opening commercials up to any point in the recording stream.Could n't do that with a VCR , and the TiVo spec covers a very specific way to implement doing it on a low-cost system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you're not getting it right.
"TimeWarp" refers to TiVo's ability to let you pause/rewind either the show being recorded or live tv.
In effect, both are being recorded, but TiVO devised - and described in some depth in the full patent - a way to interact with both recording streams.Say the live TV show pans out to be rubbish and you now want to watch the show you were recording?
With a VCR you can either watch it live as it records, or you have to stop the recording to rewind.With a TiVo (et al), you can switch to the recorded channel and jump to anywhere in what has been recorded: You can watch the intro, then skip forward past the opening commercials up to any point in the recording stream.Couldn't do that with a VCR, and the TiVo spec covers a very specific way to implement doing it on a low-cost system.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380946</id>
	<title>Meh... more patent trolling</title>
	<author>Just Brew It!</author>
	<datestamp>1267893300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So their patent is based on the ability to record one video stream while watching something else? Multi-tasking isn't exactly rocket science; computers have been doing it for decades. Furthermore, you could accomplish the same "time warping" effect as far back as the 1970s without even using a computer; all you needed was a VCR and an RF splitter.</p><p>IMO TiVo should not have been awarded this patent in the first place; it is yet another example of how the patent system in this country is broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So their patent is based on the ability to record one video stream while watching something else ?
Multi-tasking is n't exactly rocket science ; computers have been doing it for decades .
Furthermore , you could accomplish the same " time warping " effect as far back as the 1970s without even using a computer ; all you needed was a VCR and an RF splitter.IMO TiVo should not have been awarded this patent in the first place ; it is yet another example of how the patent system in this country is broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So their patent is based on the ability to record one video stream while watching something else?
Multi-tasking isn't exactly rocket science; computers have been doing it for decades.
Furthermore, you could accomplish the same "time warping" effect as far back as the 1970s without even using a computer; all you needed was a VCR and an RF splitter.IMO TiVo should not have been awarded this patent in the first place; it is yet another example of how the patent system in this country is broken.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267899180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems that TiVo's patent would be invalid as prior art because watching one program while recording another has its roots in VCR.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems that TiVo 's patent would be invalid as prior art because watching one program while recording another has its roots in VCR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems that TiVo's patent would be invalid as prior art because watching one program while recording another has its roots in VCR.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380048</id>
	<title>more patent silliness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267881960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Frankly, this strikes me as just more evidence of how broken the patent system is.
TFA is just a blurb, here it is:<blockquote><div><p>A federal appeals court this week upheld a lower court decision that accused DISH Network and EchoStar of continuing to infringe on TiVo patents.<br> <br>

EchoStar did not significantly alter its digital video recorder (DVR) software in order to comply with an injunction, according to a Thursday decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.<br> <br>

The battle dates back to 2004, when TiVo accused EchoStar's Dish Networks of violating its patent for "time warping", or allowing users to watch one program while recording another on their DVR.<br> <br>

TiVo prevailed in 2006 with a $104 million judgment, and EchoStar was ordered to stop distribute infringing DVRs. The appeals process dragged on until June 2009, when TiVo was awarded another $190 million in damages after a judge found that EchoStar was indeed continuing to infringe on TiVo's patents.<br> <br>

EchoStar, which changed its name to DISH Network Corporation in 2007, again appealed, but the federal court was not convinced.<br> <br>

"EchoStar contends that it undertook a Herculean effort in redesigning the DVR software in its receivers so that it would no longer infringe the software claims in TiVo's patent, [but] we agree with the district court that that was not a major redesign of the software," according to the ruling.<br> <br>

"We are pleased that the [court] fully affirmed the district court's finding of contempt against EchoStar, including both the disablement and infringement provisions," TiVo said in statement.<br> <br>

"This ruling paves the way for TiVo to receive the approximately $300M in damages and contempt sanctions awarded to us for EchoStar's continued infringement through July 1, 2009," TiVo continued. "We will also seek further damages and contempt sanctions for the period of continued infringement thereafter. We will continue our efforts to protect our intellectual property from further infringement."<br> <br>

"We are disappointed in the Federal Circuit's split decision, but are pleased that Judge Rader agreed with our position," DISH Network said in a statement. "Therefore, we will be seeking en banc review by the full Federal Circuit. We also will be proposing a new design-around to the district court for approval. At this time, our DVR customers are not impacted."</p></div></blockquote></div>
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<tokenext>Frankly , this strikes me as just more evidence of how broken the patent system is .
TFA is just a blurb , here it is : A federal appeals court this week upheld a lower court decision that accused DISH Network and EchoStar of continuing to infringe on TiVo patents .
EchoStar did not significantly alter its digital video recorder ( DVR ) software in order to comply with an injunction , according to a Thursday decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit .
The battle dates back to 2004 , when TiVo accused EchoStar 's Dish Networks of violating its patent for " time warping " , or allowing users to watch one program while recording another on their DVR .
TiVo prevailed in 2006 with a $ 104 million judgment , and EchoStar was ordered to stop distribute infringing DVRs .
The appeals process dragged on until June 2009 , when TiVo was awarded another $ 190 million in damages after a judge found that EchoStar was indeed continuing to infringe on TiVo 's patents .
EchoStar , which changed its name to DISH Network Corporation in 2007 , again appealed , but the federal court was not convinced .
" EchoStar contends that it undertook a Herculean effort in redesigning the DVR software in its receivers so that it would no longer infringe the software claims in TiVo 's patent , [ but ] we agree with the district court that that was not a major redesign of the software , " according to the ruling .
" We are pleased that the [ court ] fully affirmed the district court 's finding of contempt against EchoStar , including both the disablement and infringement provisions , " TiVo said in statement .
" This ruling paves the way for TiVo to receive the approximately $ 300M in damages and contempt sanctions awarded to us for EchoStar 's continued infringement through July 1 , 2009 , " TiVo continued .
" We will also seek further damages and contempt sanctions for the period of continued infringement thereafter .
We will continue our efforts to protect our intellectual property from further infringement .
" " We are disappointed in the Federal Circuit 's split decision , but are pleased that Judge Rader agreed with our position , " DISH Network said in a statement .
" Therefore , we will be seeking en banc review by the full Federal Circuit .
We also will be proposing a new design-around to the district court for approval .
At this time , our DVR customers are not impacted .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly, this strikes me as just more evidence of how broken the patent system is.
TFA is just a blurb, here it is:A federal appeals court this week upheld a lower court decision that accused DISH Network and EchoStar of continuing to infringe on TiVo patents.
EchoStar did not significantly alter its digital video recorder (DVR) software in order to comply with an injunction, according to a Thursday decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.
The battle dates back to 2004, when TiVo accused EchoStar's Dish Networks of violating its patent for "time warping", or allowing users to watch one program while recording another on their DVR.
TiVo prevailed in 2006 with a $104 million judgment, and EchoStar was ordered to stop distribute infringing DVRs.
The appeals process dragged on until June 2009, when TiVo was awarded another $190 million in damages after a judge found that EchoStar was indeed continuing to infringe on TiVo's patents.
EchoStar, which changed its name to DISH Network Corporation in 2007, again appealed, but the federal court was not convinced.
"EchoStar contends that it undertook a Herculean effort in redesigning the DVR software in its receivers so that it would no longer infringe the software claims in TiVo's patent, [but] we agree with the district court that that was not a major redesign of the software," according to the ruling.
"We are pleased that the [court] fully affirmed the district court's finding of contempt against EchoStar, including both the disablement and infringement provisions," TiVo said in statement.
"This ruling paves the way for TiVo to receive the approximately $300M in damages and contempt sanctions awarded to us for EchoStar's continued infringement through July 1, 2009," TiVo continued.
"We will also seek further damages and contempt sanctions for the period of continued infringement thereafter.
We will continue our efforts to protect our intellectual property from further infringement.
" 

"We are disappointed in the Federal Circuit's split decision, but are pleased that Judge Rader agreed with our position," DISH Network said in a statement.
"Therefore, we will be seeking en banc review by the full Federal Circuit.
We also will be proposing a new design-around to the district court for approval.
At this time, our DVR customers are not impacted.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31381442</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'm not getting it right...</title>
	<author>laughingcoyote</author>
	<datestamp>1267898220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's an incremental and obvious improvement based on new technology, not something that should've ever been considered "non-obvious" enough to be patentable.</p><p>That aside from the fact that software should never be patentable in any case, for the reason of scenarios exactly like this. These "Now done ON A COMPUTER!"  patents are extremely disruptive, in most cases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's an incremental and obvious improvement based on new technology , not something that should 've ever been considered " non-obvious " enough to be patentable.That aside from the fact that software should never be patentable in any case , for the reason of scenarios exactly like this .
These " Now done ON A COMPUTER !
" patents are extremely disruptive , in most cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's an incremental and obvious improvement based on new technology, not something that should've ever been considered "non-obvious" enough to be patentable.That aside from the fact that software should never be patentable in any case, for the reason of scenarios exactly like this.
These "Now done ON A COMPUTER!
"  patents are extremely disruptive, in most cases.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380038</id>
	<title>Dump TiVo for MythTV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267881660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV:</p><p><a href="http://www.mythtv.org/" title="mythtv.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.mythtv.org/</a> [mythtv.org]</p><p>If you're a geek and don't know about it, check it! We need more devices with MythTV preloaded on them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV : http : //www.mythtv.org/ [ mythtv.org ] If you 're a geek and do n't know about it , check it !
We need more devices with MythTV preloaded on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pinch more pennies and ditch TiVo for MythTV:http://www.mythtv.org/ [mythtv.org]If you're a geek and don't know about it, check it!
We need more devices with MythTV preloaded on them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31383466</id>
	<title>To anyone who thinks this is trivial</title>
	<author>RzUpAnmsCwrds</author>
	<datestamp>1267870140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To anyone who thinks TiVo's patent is trivial: go read it.</p><p>Implementing simultaneous recording and playback, with quick seeking to any point in the stream, and doing so with a very low-cost system (in TiVo's case, originally a 50MHz PowerPC) is not at all trivial.</p><p>There's more than one way to implement such functionality in hardware, but TiVo found a way that was cheap and effective before Echostar did, and Echostar didn't bother to license TiVo's patent or find another method.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To anyone who thinks TiVo 's patent is trivial : go read it.Implementing simultaneous recording and playback , with quick seeking to any point in the stream , and doing so with a very low-cost system ( in TiVo 's case , originally a 50MHz PowerPC ) is not at all trivial.There 's more than one way to implement such functionality in hardware , but TiVo found a way that was cheap and effective before Echostar did , and Echostar did n't bother to license TiVo 's patent or find another method .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To anyone who thinks TiVo's patent is trivial: go read it.Implementing simultaneous recording and playback, with quick seeking to any point in the stream, and doing so with a very low-cost system (in TiVo's case, originally a 50MHz PowerPC) is not at all trivial.There's more than one way to implement such functionality in hardware, but TiVo found a way that was cheap and effective before Echostar did, and Echostar didn't bother to license TiVo's patent or find another method.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_06_0343220.31380322</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1267886760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope the judgment comes in the form of ass cancer for the entire company so that the blight that is EchoStar will, slowly and painfully, be wiped from the face of the planet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope the judgment comes in the form of ass cancer for the entire company so that the blight that is EchoStar will , slowly and painfully , be wiped from the face of the planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope the judgment comes in the form of ass cancer for the entire company so that the blight that is EchoStar will, slowly and painfully, be wiped from the face of the planet.</sentencetext>
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