<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_05_2359213</id>
	<title>Law Prevents British Websites From Being Archived</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267790580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Lanxon writes <i>"The law that allows the US Internet Archive to collect and preserve websites does not apply to British archivists. In fact, experts from the Archive and many other archivist institutions argue that the only way the millions of Britain's websites could be legally archived is <a href="http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-03/05/archiving-britain's-web-the-legal-nightmare-explored.aspx">if British law itself was amended</a>, reports Wired in an investigation published today. Currently, archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lanxon writes " The law that allows the US Internet Archive to collect and preserve websites does not apply to British archivists .
In fact , experts from the Archive and many other archivist institutions argue that the only way the millions of Britain 's websites could be legally archived is if British law itself was amended , reports Wired in an investigation published today .
Currently , archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data .
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<sentencetext>Lanxon writes "The law that allows the US Internet Archive to collect and preserve websites does not apply to British archivists.
In fact, experts from the Archive and many other archivist institutions argue that the only way the millions of Britain's websites could be legally archived is if British law itself was amended, reports Wired in an investigation published today.
Currently, archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377472</id>
	<title>Re:Google FTW</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1267797240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google is so going to gaol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is so going to gaol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is so going to gaol.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377666</id>
	<title>Re:Save Page As... is illegal?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267799340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>God... people are DUMB...</p><p>How do you, and those who made that &ldquo;law&rdquo; think that page gets onto your screen?</p><p>By storing an copying it! In your network chip&rsquo;s cache. In your CPU&rsquo;s cache. In your RAM. On your hard disk (browser cache!). In your graphics RAM. On your screen. In your brain. And in ever place that you talk to, about it.</p><p>Information that can not be copied, can not be proven to exist (to anyone outside of those already holding it). Simple as that.<br>Why do people such a hard time, getting this? It is because they think that meatspace and bitspace have 100\% equal rules?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>God... people are DUMB...How do you , and those who made that    law    think that page gets onto your screen ? By storing an copying it !
In your network chip    s cache .
In your CPU    s cache .
In your RAM .
On your hard disk ( browser cache ! ) .
In your graphics RAM .
On your screen .
In your brain .
And in ever place that you talk to , about it.Information that can not be copied , can not be proven to exist ( to anyone outside of those already holding it ) .
Simple as that.Why do people such a hard time , getting this ?
It is because they think that meatspace and bitspace have 100 \ % equal rules ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God... people are DUMB...How do you, and those who made that “law” think that page gets onto your screen?By storing an copying it!
In your network chip’s cache.
In your CPU’s cache.
In your RAM.
On your hard disk (browser cache!).
In your graphics RAM.
On your screen.
In your brain.
And in ever place that you talk to, about it.Information that can not be copied, can not be proven to exist (to anyone outside of those already holding it).
Simple as that.Why do people such a hard time, getting this?
It is because they think that meatspace and bitspace have 100\% equal rules?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377406</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377286</id>
	<title>Oh Yeah?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267794960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Web2PDF and my site mirroring software sez I can archive any UK site I want to.<br>Not that I've run across any U.K. sites I want to archive.<br>Didn't they outlaw fluoridated water too? Not too many toothy grins in photos on those websites... hmmm...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Web2PDF and my site mirroring software sez I can archive any UK site I want to.Not that I 've run across any U.K. sites I want to archive.Did n't they outlaw fluoridated water too ?
Not too many toothy grins in photos on those websites... hmmm.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Web2PDF and my site mirroring software sez I can archive any UK site I want to.Not that I've run across any U.K. sites I want to archive.Didn't they outlaw fluoridated water too?
Not too many toothy grins in photos on those websites... hmmm...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377468</id>
	<title>Re:Licence for websites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267797120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>A stance more like the BSD licence (do what you want with it as long as you give credit) than the GPL licence (lots of restrictions on redistribution).</p></div></blockquote><p>There is NOT a lot of restrictions with the GPL license; in fact it is quite simple. If you want to distribute a program using GPL code or derived GPL code, you release the component (or derivative) as GPL, including source. That is not a lot of restrictions. All it does is ensure that people share and share alike, something most people learn by kindergarten but quickly forget.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A stance more like the BSD licence ( do what you want with it as long as you give credit ) than the GPL licence ( lots of restrictions on redistribution ) .There is NOT a lot of restrictions with the GPL license ; in fact it is quite simple .
If you want to distribute a program using GPL code or derived GPL code , you release the component ( or derivative ) as GPL , including source .
That is not a lot of restrictions .
All it does is ensure that people share and share alike , something most people learn by kindergarten but quickly forget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A stance more like the BSD licence (do what you want with it as long as you give credit) than the GPL licence (lots of restrictions on redistribution).There is NOT a lot of restrictions with the GPL license; in fact it is quite simple.
If you want to distribute a program using GPL code or derived GPL code, you release the component (or derivative) as GPL, including source.
That is not a lot of restrictions.
All it does is ensure that people share and share alike, something most people learn by kindergarten but quickly forget.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377302</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377658</id>
	<title>Re:Scope</title>
	<author>WrongSizeGlass</author>
	<datestamp>1267799280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Didn't we just see an article about this a week ago? Oh, yeah, <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/25/1354217/Web-Heritage-Could-Be-Lost" title="slashdot.org">we did</a> [slashdot.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't we just see an article about this a week ago ?
Oh , yeah , we did [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't we just see an article about this a week ago?
Oh, yeah, we did [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377534</id>
	<title>Utterly nonsensical summary</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1267798020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The summary is utterly nonsensical. The US Internet Archive referred to in the summary is US-based, and the laws that apply to it are US laws, not British laws. That means there's no issue for the US IA.
<p>
In fact, TFA talks about a different organization, the UK Internet Archive, which is
presumably based in the UK and under UK jurisdiction. The British laws affect the UK IA, not the US IA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary is utterly nonsensical .
The US Internet Archive referred to in the summary is US-based , and the laws that apply to it are US laws , not British laws .
That means there 's no issue for the US IA .
In fact , TFA talks about a different organization , the UK Internet Archive , which is presumably based in the UK and under UK jurisdiction .
The British laws affect the UK IA , not the US IA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary is utterly nonsensical.
The US Internet Archive referred to in the summary is US-based, and the laws that apply to it are US laws, not British laws.
That means there's no issue for the US IA.
In fact, TFA talks about a different organization, the UK Internet Archive, which is
presumably based in the UK and under UK jurisdiction.
The British laws affect the UK IA, not the US IA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31379490</id>
	<title>My UK websites have been archived for years</title>
	<author>mcalwell</author>
	<datestamp>1267867860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i> Currently, archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data.</i>

My UK websites have been archived for years. Nobody asked me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently , archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data .
My UK websites have been archived for years .
Nobody asked me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Currently, archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data.
My UK websites have been archived for years.
Nobody asked me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377224</id>
	<title>Scope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267794480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>(No, I didn't read the article)

Surely this restriction would only apply to British "archivists"?

What if you are caching this page from an American server? Or Sweden?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

I don't know how Google's cache works, but I imagine it must be national for speed reasons

Does that mean they are infringing UK law?</htmltext>
<tokenext>( No , I did n't read the article ) Surely this restriction would only apply to British " archivists " ?
What if you are caching this page from an American server ?
Or Sweden ?
; - ) I do n't know how Google 's cache works , but I imagine it must be national for speed reasons Does that mean they are infringing UK law ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(No, I didn't read the article)

Surely this restriction would only apply to British "archivists"?
What if you are caching this page from an American server?
Or Sweden?
;-)

I don't know how Google's cache works, but I imagine it must be national for speed reasons

Does that mean they are infringing UK law?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377434</id>
	<title>Britain is down the drain already</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1267796820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just the laws and motions they have put in motion in the last month are appalling enough. leaving aside what has been happening in the last years. i guess a british citizen's freedoms in britain reached the level that is comparable with a moroccan in morocco. it really feels like a horror movie. albeit, real.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just the laws and motions they have put in motion in the last month are appalling enough .
leaving aside what has been happening in the last years .
i guess a british citizen 's freedoms in britain reached the level that is comparable with a moroccan in morocco .
it really feels like a horror movie .
albeit , real .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just the laws and motions they have put in motion in the last month are appalling enough.
leaving aside what has been happening in the last years.
i guess a british citizen's freedoms in britain reached the level that is comparable with a moroccan in morocco.
it really feels like a horror movie.
albeit, real.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377592</id>
	<title>Re:They already ask everyone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267798740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> 500 milliseconds</p></div><p>My god, it IS true!<br>All webmasters are robots!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>500 millisecondsMy god , it IS true ! All webmasters are robots !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 500 millisecondsMy god, it IS true!All webmasters are robots!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31394126</id>
	<title>I heard there was this news corporation...</title>
	<author>ibsteve2u</author>
	<datestamp>1267959540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that didn't like having its web sites cached...awkward, when people used cached content to say "But that isn't what you were saying back...".</p><p>I cannot seem to remember the name of that news corporation...but as I recall, it has a presence in England, America, and Australia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that did n't like having its web sites cached...awkward , when people used cached content to say " But that is n't what you were saying back... " .I can not seem to remember the name of that news corporation...but as I recall , it has a presence in England , America , and Australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that didn't like having its web sites cached...awkward, when people used cached content to say "But that isn't what you were saying back...".I cannot seem to remember the name of that news corporation...but as I recall, it has a presence in England, America, and Australia.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31379584</id>
	<title>Re:Historical Black Hole</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267870020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Save those tapes! Just because we don't have the technology to recover them now doesn't mean we won't later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Save those tapes !
Just because we do n't have the technology to recover them now does n't mean we wo n't later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Save those tapes!
Just because we don't have the technology to recover them now doesn't mean we won't later.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377958</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31418922</id>
	<title>chat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268128320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.gevezechat.net</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.gevezechat.net</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.gevezechat.net</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377500</id>
	<title>Re:Save Page As... is illegal?</title>
	<author>cosm</author>
	<datestamp>1267797600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I imagine page saves via the File Menu will be going down with IE being pooped on by the EU on the daily.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine page saves via the File Menu will be going down with IE being pooped on by the EU on the daily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine page saves via the File Menu will be going down with IE being pooped on by the EU on the daily.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377406</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31378790</id>
	<title>Re:On Interwebz = No Control</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1267811280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny you should mention that, back in the 70's and 80's the police used to tell us that recording Registration Numbers of cars was illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny you should mention that , back in the 70 's and 80 's the police used to tell us that recording Registration Numbers of cars was illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny you should mention that, back in the 70's and 80's the police used to tell us that recording Registration Numbers of cars was illegal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377296</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31380140</id>
	<title>Re:Historical Black Hole</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1267884060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But how much of it will be knowledge worth keeping? </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But how much of it will be knowledge worth keeping ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how much of it will be knowledge worth keeping? </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377958</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377302</id>
	<title>Licence for websites</title>
	<author>s-whs</author>
	<datestamp>1267795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Currently, archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

That seems stupid as everyone can do it for themselves, but not everyone will, so you then end up with a problem of accessing information when a website is gone.
<br> <br>
For me it seems more important is the use. All free-access websites are by definition used to convey information and to anyone who is interested. Therefore dissemination of that information by means of an archived version should be ok.
<br> <br>
Perhaps there's a case of besides a robots.txt to have a licence file on how to use it. What some people will especially object to is commercial selling of that archive. Particularly when it's done while the original website is still around!
<br> <br>
For example, I started a website for 8 bit BBC micro software and documentation in 1995 which was the first of its type (for this machine). The emphasis was on trying out stuff myself and making it available to others. But I wouldn't have liked to have someone sell CDs with my website, i.e. profiteering of mainly my work. This didn't actually happen but having put in the effort for such a website myself, I know what it means were this to happen. This actually happens a lot and has happened to a friend of mine who maintains a similar website. Such copying of course falls under copyright law so in theory you can warn people off (muddied a bit in that the program files read in from old tapes/disks are in fact still under copyright! So you can claim copyright on your HTML, layout and perhaps the collection as a whole). Perhaps one should just take it on the chin as something that will happen and just be happy the stuff gets out there. A stance more like the BSD licence (do what you want with it as long as you give credit) than the GPL licence (lots of restrictions on redistribution).

<br> <br>
In any event, as I said, perhaps a good idea for a licence file for websites.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently , archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data .
That seems stupid as everyone can do it for themselves , but not everyone will , so you then end up with a problem of accessing information when a website is gone .
For me it seems more important is the use .
All free-access websites are by definition used to convey information and to anyone who is interested .
Therefore dissemination of that information by means of an archived version should be ok . Perhaps there 's a case of besides a robots.txt to have a licence file on how to use it .
What some people will especially object to is commercial selling of that archive .
Particularly when it 's done while the original website is still around !
For example , I started a website for 8 bit BBC micro software and documentation in 1995 which was the first of its type ( for this machine ) .
The emphasis was on trying out stuff myself and making it available to others .
But I would n't have liked to have someone sell CDs with my website , i.e .
profiteering of mainly my work .
This did n't actually happen but having put in the effort for such a website myself , I know what it means were this to happen .
This actually happens a lot and has happened to a friend of mine who maintains a similar website .
Such copying of course falls under copyright law so in theory you can warn people off ( muddied a bit in that the program files read in from old tapes/disks are in fact still under copyright !
So you can claim copyright on your HTML , layout and perhaps the collection as a whole ) .
Perhaps one should just take it on the chin as something that will happen and just be happy the stuff gets out there .
A stance more like the BSD licence ( do what you want with it as long as you give credit ) than the GPL licence ( lots of restrictions on redistribution ) .
In any event , as I said , perhaps a good idea for a licence file for websites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Currently, archivists have to seek permission from webmasters of every single site before they are able to take snapshots and retain data.
That seems stupid as everyone can do it for themselves, but not everyone will, so you then end up with a problem of accessing information when a website is gone.
For me it seems more important is the use.
All free-access websites are by definition used to convey information and to anyone who is interested.
Therefore dissemination of that information by means of an archived version should be ok.
 
Perhaps there's a case of besides a robots.txt to have a licence file on how to use it.
What some people will especially object to is commercial selling of that archive.
Particularly when it's done while the original website is still around!
For example, I started a website for 8 bit BBC micro software and documentation in 1995 which was the first of its type (for this machine).
The emphasis was on trying out stuff myself and making it available to others.
But I wouldn't have liked to have someone sell CDs with my website, i.e.
profiteering of mainly my work.
This didn't actually happen but having put in the effort for such a website myself, I know what it means were this to happen.
This actually happens a lot and has happened to a friend of mine who maintains a similar website.
Such copying of course falls under copyright law so in theory you can warn people off (muddied a bit in that the program files read in from old tapes/disks are in fact still under copyright!
So you can claim copyright on your HTML, layout and perhaps the collection as a whole).
Perhaps one should just take it on the chin as something that will happen and just be happy the stuff gets out there.
A stance more like the BSD licence (do what you want with it as long as you give credit) than the GPL licence (lots of restrictions on redistribution).
In any event, as I said, perhaps a good idea for a licence file for websites.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31395932</id>
	<title>Re:Historical Black Hole - still the same</title>
	<author>ElderKorean</author>
	<datestamp>1267971540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So nothing has really changed with technology then.</p><p>Current historians would absolutatly love it if we had better coverage of many periods of human history - much of it (even the written records) has been lost, blown up, burnt, flooded, lost in the deserts, built over, eroded, probably even eaten,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... over the years.</p><p>Historians are able to get lots of information from the little that remains - piecing together partial fragments, cross-references, stories, even boxes in attics can hold wealth of information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So nothing has really changed with technology then.Current historians would absolutatly love it if we had better coverage of many periods of human history - much of it ( even the written records ) has been lost , blown up , burnt , flooded , lost in the deserts , built over , eroded , probably even eaten , ... over the years.Historians are able to get lots of information from the little that remains - piecing together partial fragments , cross-references , stories , even boxes in attics can hold wealth of information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So nothing has really changed with technology then.Current historians would absolutatly love it if we had better coverage of many periods of human history - much of it (even the written records) has been lost, blown up, burnt, flooded, lost in the deserts, built over, eroded, probably even eaten, ... over the years.Historians are able to get lots of information from the little that remains - piecing together partial fragments, cross-references, stories, even boxes in attics can hold wealth of information.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377958</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31380750</id>
	<title>Re:Oversimplified</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1267891080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Unless the UK has no fair use provision at all</i></p><p>We have no fair use provision, that's correct. Copying a CD you bought to your mp3 player is copyright infringement, according to the law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless the UK has no fair use provision at allWe have no fair use provision , that 's correct .
Copying a CD you bought to your mp3 player is copyright infringement , according to the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless the UK has no fair use provision at allWe have no fair use provision, that's correct.
Copying a CD you bought to your mp3 player is copyright infringement, according to the law.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377546</id>
	<title>Re:Google FTW</title>
	<author>nanoakron</author>
	<datestamp>1267798080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just read it. Very good. Completely applicable and even specifically mentions works on the internet.</p><p>Non-story.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/thread.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just read it .
Very good .
Completely applicable and even specifically mentions works on the internet.Non-story .
/thread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just read it.
Very good.
Completely applicable and even specifically mentions works on the internet.Non-story.
/thread.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377872</id>
	<title>Robots.txt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267801260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not update robots.txt to flag that permission is granted to archive the site?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not update robots.txt to flag that permission is granted to archive the site ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not update robots.txt to flag that permission is granted to archive the site?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31387972</id>
	<title>Re:Scope</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1267960320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What if you are caching this page from an American server? Or Sweden?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div> </blockquote><p>Then prepare to be invaded, have your government crushed and replaced by a corrupt kleptocracy and all your civil rights replaced with those of second-class serfs. Not as if you'd notice any significant change.</p><p>Oh, we'd have to sprinkle a few tons of depleted-uranium dust around the place too. That'll be nice.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if you are caching this page from an American server ?
Or Sweden ?
; - ) Then prepare to be invaded , have your government crushed and replaced by a corrupt kleptocracy and all your civil rights replaced with those of second-class serfs .
Not as if you 'd notice any significant change.Oh , we 'd have to sprinkle a few tons of depleted-uranium dust around the place too .
That 'll be nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if you are caching this page from an American server?
Or Sweden?
;-) Then prepare to be invaded, have your government crushed and replaced by a corrupt kleptocracy and all your civil rights replaced with those of second-class serfs.
Not as if you'd notice any significant change.Oh, we'd have to sprinkle a few tons of depleted-uranium dust around the place too.
That'll be nice.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377386</id>
	<title>They already ask everyone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267796220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:</p><p>"The team currently has to contact the copyright holder of every website it wants to archive and this process has just a 24 percent response rate."</p><p>Actually, I'd say they have almost a 100\% response rate.  They ask the copyright holder, "May I please have a copy of your content?" and in most cases, they receive a response within 500 milliseconds saying, "Sure! Here it is!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : " The team currently has to contact the copyright holder of every website it wants to archive and this process has just a 24 percent response rate .
" Actually , I 'd say they have almost a 100 \ % response rate .
They ask the copyright holder , " May I please have a copy of your content ?
" and in most cases , they receive a response within 500 milliseconds saying , " Sure !
Here it is !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:"The team currently has to contact the copyright holder of every website it wants to archive and this process has just a 24 percent response rate.
"Actually, I'd say they have almost a 100\% response rate.
They ask the copyright holder, "May I please have a copy of your content?
" and in most cases, they receive a response within 500 milliseconds saying, "Sure!
Here it is!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377580</id>
	<title>Oversimplified</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267798500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless the UK has no fair use provision at all, this article blows the issue out of proportion.  First, it would appear to apply only to UK 'archivists' of UK sites.  More to the point, it's really not about the archiving, it's about what they do with the copies.  Your browser keeps an archived copy- are you telling me that's infringement in the UK, or that somehow it's infringement when you direct your browser to store it some non-default location for an indefinite period?  No, the infringement comes when the archives are turned into databases and are re-sent by someone other than the original site proprietor.  And I'm not sure I see a problem in having to sit on an archived copy until the original is down and the originator is gone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless the UK has no fair use provision at all , this article blows the issue out of proportion .
First , it would appear to apply only to UK 'archivists ' of UK sites .
More to the point , it 's really not about the archiving , it 's about what they do with the copies .
Your browser keeps an archived copy- are you telling me that 's infringement in the UK , or that somehow it 's infringement when you direct your browser to store it some non-default location for an indefinite period ?
No , the infringement comes when the archives are turned into databases and are re-sent by someone other than the original site proprietor .
And I 'm not sure I see a problem in having to sit on an archived copy until the original is down and the originator is gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless the UK has no fair use provision at all, this article blows the issue out of proportion.
First, it would appear to apply only to UK 'archivists' of UK sites.
More to the point, it's really not about the archiving, it's about what they do with the copies.
Your browser keeps an archived copy- are you telling me that's infringement in the UK, or that somehow it's infringement when you direct your browser to store it some non-default location for an indefinite period?
No, the infringement comes when the archives are turned into databases and are re-sent by someone other than the original site proprietor.
And I'm not sure I see a problem in having to sit on an archived copy until the original is down and the originator is gone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31379806</id>
	<title>Re:Britain is down the drain already</title>
	<author>ztransform</author>
	<datestamp>1267875240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>British law defines all Caucasians as "racist" and, as such, have no rights but the right to be punished!</htmltext>
<tokenext>British law defines all Caucasians as " racist " and , as such , have no rights but the right to be punished !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>British law defines all Caucasians as "racist" and, as such, have no rights but the right to be punished!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377434</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377296</id>
	<title>On Interwebz = No Control</title>
	<author>carp3\_noct3m</author>
	<datestamp>1267795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, who makes these kinds of laws. Maybe there is some kind of byzantine reasoning regarding British legalities but if you put something on a publicly accessible webpage good luck enforcing who can have that content! Car analagy, your vin is in plain view, but if you pass a law that people cannot write down a vin unless you own the vehicle... good luck with that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , who makes these kinds of laws .
Maybe there is some kind of byzantine reasoning regarding British legalities but if you put something on a publicly accessible webpage good luck enforcing who can have that content !
Car analagy , your vin is in plain view , but if you pass a law that people can not write down a vin unless you own the vehicle... good luck with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, who makes these kinds of laws.
Maybe there is some kind of byzantine reasoning regarding British legalities but if you put something on a publicly accessible webpage good luck enforcing who can have that content!
Car analagy, your vin is in plain view, but if you pass a law that people cannot write down a vin unless you own the vehicle... good luck with that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377300</id>
	<title>Singularity</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1267795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no law after the singularity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no law after the singularity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no law after the singularity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31380156</id>
	<title>Re:Britain is down the drain already</title>
	<author>Ma8thew</author>
	<datestamp>1267884360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every fucking thread about the UK someone posts something like the parent. Of course, they never cite any examples but they are still modded to +5 Insightful. Please, tell me how my freedoms are restricted! Unless of course your only evidence for this is other Slashdot posts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every fucking thread about the UK someone posts something like the parent .
Of course , they never cite any examples but they are still modded to + 5 Insightful .
Please , tell me how my freedoms are restricted !
Unless of course your only evidence for this is other Slashdot posts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every fucking thread about the UK someone posts something like the parent.
Of course, they never cite any examples but they are still modded to +5 Insightful.
Please, tell me how my freedoms are restricted!
Unless of course your only evidence for this is other Slashdot posts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377434</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377346</id>
	<title>The law may make it illegal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267795620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but it's not 'preventing' anything...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but it 's not 'preventing ' anything.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but it's not 'preventing' anything...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377406</id>
	<title>Save Page As... is illegal?</title>
	<author>HalAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1267796400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the "Save Page As..." command in the File menu is illegal in Britain?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the " Save Page As... " command in the File menu is illegal in Britain ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the "Save Page As..." command in the File menu is illegal in Britain?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31378048</id>
	<title>Re:Save Page As... is illegal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267803180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>God... people are DUMB...</p></div><p>Sure. Some can't even see the difference between cache and archive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>God... people are DUMB...Sure .
Some ca n't even see the difference between cache and archive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God... people are DUMB...Sure.
Some can't even see the difference between cache and archive.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377306</id>
	<title>Google FTW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267795260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In case it gets slashdotted, heres the <b> <a href="http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:Lw0gkkvqNdUJ:www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/ukpga\_20030028\_en\_1+http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/ukpga\_20030028\_en\_1&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us" title="74.125.113.132">cached</a> [74.125.113.132]</b> version of the Legal Deposit Libraries Act 2003</htmltext>
<tokenext>In case it gets slashdotted , heres the cached [ 74.125.113.132 ] version of the Legal Deposit Libraries Act 2003</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In case it gets slashdotted, heres the  cached [74.125.113.132] version of the Legal Deposit Libraries Act 2003</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377564</id>
	<title>Re:Save Page As... is illegal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267798260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also illegal to rip a CD you own and put it on your MP3 player.</p><p>British copyright law is very much like American, only with no concept of fair use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also illegal to rip a CD you own and put it on your MP3 player.British copyright law is very much like American , only with no concept of fair use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also illegal to rip a CD you own and put it on your MP3 player.British copyright law is very much like American, only with no concept of fair use.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377406</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377672</id>
	<title>"The first thing we do...</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1267799400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> let's kill all the lawyers"</htmltext>
<tokenext>let 's kill all the lawyers "</tokentext>
<sentencetext> let's kill all the lawyers"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377648</id>
	<title>Re:Licence for websites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267799220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That seems stupid as everyone can do it for themselves</p></div><p>I don't think that's true. I would have thought that making a copy of a website, for anything other than transient use in the course of normal access to the site, would require permission of the copyright holder, even if you don't make the copy available to anyone else (much like keeping recording of TV and the radio for longer than is required for time-shifting purposes is copyright infringement, too; actually, I'm not even sure if time-shifting is explicitly legal under UK law).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That seems stupid as everyone can do it for themselvesI do n't think that 's true .
I would have thought that making a copy of a website , for anything other than transient use in the course of normal access to the site , would require permission of the copyright holder , even if you do n't make the copy available to anyone else ( much like keeping recording of TV and the radio for longer than is required for time-shifting purposes is copyright infringement , too ; actually , I 'm not even sure if time-shifting is explicitly legal under UK law ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That seems stupid as everyone can do it for themselvesI don't think that's true.
I would have thought that making a copy of a website, for anything other than transient use in the course of normal access to the site, would require permission of the copyright holder, even if you don't make the copy available to anyone else (much like keeping recording of TV and the radio for longer than is required for time-shifting purposes is copyright infringement, too; actually, I'm not even sure if time-shifting is explicitly legal under UK law).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377302</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31379644</id>
	<title>Re:Scope</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1267871280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Strictly, if you as a Brit went after an American archiving a British website, it would be judged under British law anyway (rather like Corel v. Bridgeman was).  However, I am not sure that the law isn't actually more or less the same and the British Library is just being a bit of a pussy on this one.  I particularly don't see why they don't just start archiving and hold it out of public view for, say, a hundred years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Strictly , if you as a Brit went after an American archiving a British website , it would be judged under British law anyway ( rather like Corel v. Bridgeman was ) .
However , I am not sure that the law is n't actually more or less the same and the British Library is just being a bit of a pussy on this one .
I particularly do n't see why they do n't just start archiving and hold it out of public view for , say , a hundred years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strictly, if you as a Brit went after an American archiving a British website, it would be judged under British law anyway (rather like Corel v. Bridgeman was).
However, I am not sure that the law isn't actually more or less the same and the British Library is just being a bit of a pussy on this one.
I particularly don't see why they don't just start archiving and hold it out of public view for, say, a hundred years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377818</id>
	<title>Re:They already ask everyone...</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1267800720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Actually, I'd say they have almost a 100\% response rate. They ask the copyright holder, "May I please have a copy of your content?" and in most cases, they receive a response within 500 milliseconds saying, "Sure! Here it is!"</p></div></blockquote><p>But then to store the content, that's another copy, not the same as the bits transmitted over the wire.  There may be other copies made in the process of making that copy, which may or may not count.  Copyright is completely and irretrievably broken where computers and the web are concerned; either you have to make up an implicit license theory out of whole cloth (and then finding the boundaries of it is just a guessing came), or using the web involves wholesale copyright violation even if only legitimate sites are visited.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 'd say they have almost a 100 \ % response rate .
They ask the copyright holder , " May I please have a copy of your content ?
" and in most cases , they receive a response within 500 milliseconds saying , " Sure !
Here it is !
" But then to store the content , that 's another copy , not the same as the bits transmitted over the wire .
There may be other copies made in the process of making that copy , which may or may not count .
Copyright is completely and irretrievably broken where computers and the web are concerned ; either you have to make up an implicit license theory out of whole cloth ( and then finding the boundaries of it is just a guessing came ) , or using the web involves wholesale copyright violation even if only legitimate sites are visited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I'd say they have almost a 100\% response rate.
They ask the copyright holder, "May I please have a copy of your content?
" and in most cases, they receive a response within 500 milliseconds saying, "Sure!
Here it is!
"But then to store the content, that's another copy, not the same as the bits transmitted over the wire.
There may be other copies made in the process of making that copy, which may or may not count.
Copyright is completely and irretrievably broken where computers and the web are concerned; either you have to make up an implicit license theory out of whole cloth (and then finding the boundaries of it is just a guessing came), or using the web involves wholesale copyright violation even if only legitimate sites are visited.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31379428</id>
	<title>Re:On Interwebz = No Control</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1267909080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>British copyright law does predate the web.  The basic principles predate electronic communication.  You can't really blame them for failing to predict that there would be a vast freely available store of information and the means to archive it all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>British copyright law does predate the web .
The basic principles predate electronic communication .
You ca n't really blame them for failing to predict that there would be a vast freely available store of information and the means to archive it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>British copyright law does predate the web.
The basic principles predate electronic communication.
You can't really blame them for failing to predict that there would be a vast freely available store of information and the means to archive it all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377296</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377958</id>
	<title>Historical Black Hole</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267802280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone else worry that in the current age with technology constantly butting heads with rights holders that in the future historians will likely find large gaps of history simply missing?  I have a feeling things will end up very similar to the hollywood and the bbc in the 60's and 70's when vast amounts of movies and television episodes were destroyed or wiped simply to clear space in the vaults.  Take Dr Who for instance, most of the William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton seasons are gone forever.  In the states nearly all of the Jack Parr episodes of the Tonight Show are gone as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else worry that in the current age with technology constantly butting heads with rights holders that in the future historians will likely find large gaps of history simply missing ?
I have a feeling things will end up very similar to the hollywood and the bbc in the 60 's and 70 's when vast amounts of movies and television episodes were destroyed or wiped simply to clear space in the vaults .
Take Dr Who for instance , most of the William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton seasons are gone forever .
In the states nearly all of the Jack Parr episodes of the Tonight Show are gone as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else worry that in the current age with technology constantly butting heads with rights holders that in the future historians will likely find large gaps of history simply missing?
I have a feeling things will end up very similar to the hollywood and the bbc in the 60's and 70's when vast amounts of movies and television episodes were destroyed or wiped simply to clear space in the vaults.
Take Dr Who for instance, most of the William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton seasons are gone forever.
In the states nearly all of the Jack Parr episodes of the Tonight Show are gone as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31378722</id>
	<title>Does not prevent archiving...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267810500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The law does not prevent the archiving of web sites, it makes it illegal.  Two different concepts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The law does not prevent the archiving of web sites , it makes it illegal .
Two different concepts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The law does not prevent the archiving of web sites, it makes it illegal.
Two different concepts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31379512</id>
	<title>Re:Utterly nonsensical summary</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1267868400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly what I was coming here to say.  The only people I've heard complaining about this are the Internet archivists who work for the British Library.  The law in question doesn't even apply to the Internet Archive as referred to in the summary, as it is a law concerning deposit libraries, which IA ain't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly what I was coming here to say .
The only people I 've heard complaining about this are the Internet archivists who work for the British Library .
The law in question does n't even apply to the Internet Archive as referred to in the summary , as it is a law concerning deposit libraries , which IA ai n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly what I was coming here to say.
The only people I've heard complaining about this are the Internet archivists who work for the British Library.
The law in question doesn't even apply to the Internet Archive as referred to in the summary, as it is a law concerning deposit libraries, which IA ain't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377620</id>
	<title>Re:Scope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267799040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, if I were an archivist in Britain, I&rsquo;d just run a proxy in the US. And then only &ldquo;archive that US proxy&rdquo;.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;))<br>There definitely is a way to make it legal.</p><p>On the other hand, of course the concept of copyright is completely absurd, and must be taken out of law. People don&rsquo;t need compensation for their already released works. They have to ask for compensation when releasing them the first time. Or not. But not bitch later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if I were an archivist in Britain , I    d just run a proxy in the US .
And then only    archive that US proxy    .
; ) ) There definitely is a way to make it legal.On the other hand , of course the concept of copyright is completely absurd , and must be taken out of law .
People don    t need compensation for their already released works .
They have to ask for compensation when releasing them the first time .
Or not .
But not bitch later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if I were an archivist in Britain, I’d just run a proxy in the US.
And then only “archive that US proxy”.
;))There definitely is a way to make it legal.On the other hand, of course the concept of copyright is completely absurd, and must be taken out of law.
People don’t need compensation for their already released works.
They have to ask for compensation when releasing them the first time.
Or not.
But not bitch later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31379020</id>
	<title>Selective Enforcement</title>
	<author>epp\_b</author>
	<datestamp>1267814220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds like something that could be used for selective enforcement against someone the authorities dislike, for some reason, but aren't able to lay charges for any <i>real</i> crimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like something that could be used for selective enforcement against someone the authorities dislike , for some reason , but are n't able to lay charges for any real crimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like something that could be used for selective enforcement against someone the authorities dislike, for some reason, but aren't able to lay charges for any real crimes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31380726</id>
	<title>Re:On Interwebz = No Control</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1267890900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I guess it's okay for me to distribute Internet Explorer, and also distribute Linux in violation of the GPL? I mean, I find it on a public website, obviously copyright doesn't apply, right?</p><p>In most countries, including the US, putting something on the web doesn't make it public domain - this is a surprisingly common myth. It would make sense to allow an exception for search and archive purposes (subject to obeying the robots.txt file - i.e., still allowin opt-out), but your argument is nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I guess it 's okay for me to distribute Internet Explorer , and also distribute Linux in violation of the GPL ?
I mean , I find it on a public website , obviously copyright does n't apply , right ? In most countries , including the US , putting something on the web does n't make it public domain - this is a surprisingly common myth .
It would make sense to allow an exception for search and archive purposes ( subject to obeying the robots.txt file - i.e. , still allowin opt-out ) , but your argument is nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I guess it's okay for me to distribute Internet Explorer, and also distribute Linux in violation of the GPL?
I mean, I find it on a public website, obviously copyright doesn't apply, right?In most countries, including the US, putting something on the web doesn't make it public domain - this is a surprisingly common myth.
It would make sense to allow an exception for search and archive purposes (subject to obeying the robots.txt file - i.e., still allowin opt-out), but your argument is nonsense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31380166</id>
	<title>Identity problem</title>
	<author>calzakk</author>
	<datestamp>1267884540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My website's a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com, it was registered here in the UK but has since been transferred to a company in the US, and is currently hosted by an international company with servers just about everywhere.  So is it a UK website, or a US one, or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My website 's a .com , it was registered here in the UK but has since been transferred to a company in the US , and is currently hosted by an international company with servers just about everywhere .
So is it a UK website , or a US one , or ... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My website's a .com, it was registered here in the UK but has since been transferred to a company in the US, and is currently hosted by an international company with servers just about everywhere.
So is it a UK website, or a US one, or ...?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31377600</id>
	<title>Anarchy in the UK...</title>
	<author>metatheism</author>
	<datestamp>1267798860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... is obsolete; the problem of oppressive social hierarchies is nothing compared to the threat of rampant archivists!
<br> <br>
Anarchivists Unite!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... is obsolete ; the problem of oppressive social hierarchies is nothing compared to the threat of rampant archivists !
Anarchivists Unite !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is obsolete; the problem of oppressive social hierarchies is nothing compared to the threat of rampant archivists!
Anarchivists Unite!</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_2359213.31378304</id>
	<title>hehe...</title>
	<author>Jesus IS the Devil</author>
	<datestamp>1267805640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get to say it again...</p><p>Fuck Britain!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get to say it again...Fuck Britain !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get to say it again...Fuck Britain!</sentencetext>
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