<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_05_1510243</id>
	<title>New Crossover Release With Improved Compatibility</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267803840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>solanum writes <i>"On March 2nd <a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20100302/">Crossover 9.0</a> was released.  CrossOver 9 features a new user interface that focuses on making installation of Windows software quicker and easier than previous versions. Another new feature is CrossOver's ability to download installation 'recipes' directly from CodeWeavers online Compatibility Database. 'If another CrossOver user has figured out how to use CrossOver to install a Windows application, they can upload that installation recipe to our database,' said Jeremy White, CodeWeavers chief executive officer. 'As we go forward, and build this online storehouse, CrossOver will begin to automatically install that same application for other users. This enables us to move closer to a world where CrossOver will begin to run the majority of Windows apps, and not just an officially supported subset. In other words, our diabolical plot for world domination is going exactly as planned,' he added. Early <a href="http://www.opensourcecritic.com/featured/crossover-9-revamped-reinvented-and-a-must-have">reviews</a> and <a href="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Crossover-9-gets-a-new-user-interface-945085.html">comments</a> are positive, and my own experience is that many more Windows applications work in this new version than previously."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>solanum writes " On March 2nd Crossover 9.0 was released .
CrossOver 9 features a new user interface that focuses on making installation of Windows software quicker and easier than previous versions .
Another new feature is CrossOver 's ability to download installation 'recipes ' directly from CodeWeavers online Compatibility Database .
'If another CrossOver user has figured out how to use CrossOver to install a Windows application , they can upload that installation recipe to our database, ' said Jeremy White , CodeWeavers chief executive officer .
'As we go forward , and build this online storehouse , CrossOver will begin to automatically install that same application for other users .
This enables us to move closer to a world where CrossOver will begin to run the majority of Windows apps , and not just an officially supported subset .
In other words , our diabolical plot for world domination is going exactly as planned, ' he added .
Early reviews and comments are positive , and my own experience is that many more Windows applications work in this new version than previously .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>solanum writes "On March 2nd Crossover 9.0 was released.
CrossOver 9 features a new user interface that focuses on making installation of Windows software quicker and easier than previous versions.
Another new feature is CrossOver's ability to download installation 'recipes' directly from CodeWeavers online Compatibility Database.
'If another CrossOver user has figured out how to use CrossOver to install a Windows application, they can upload that installation recipe to our database,' said Jeremy White, CodeWeavers chief executive officer.
'As we go forward, and build this online storehouse, CrossOver will begin to automatically install that same application for other users.
This enables us to move closer to a world where CrossOver will begin to run the majority of Windows apps, and not just an officially supported subset.
In other words, our diabolical plot for world domination is going exactly as planned,' he added.
Early reviews and comments are positive, and my own experience is that many more Windows applications work in this new version than previously.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31379736</id>
	<title>Re:PlayOnLinux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267873320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should keep researching because you are still clueless.   Crossover, which predates PlayOnLinux, didn't take anything from PlayOnLinux.  If anything PlayOnLinux took from Crossover at least in concept.  As far as I know neither Crossover or PlayOnLinux share any code at all beyond Wine itself.  They are two independent projects that approach the same problem.  Neither one is a re-branding of the other.</p><p>Since you're probably confused about Codeweavers role as well, I'll lay it out too.  Codeweavers is the organization that makes and sells Crossover.  Codeweavers employs much of the moving force behind Wine.  That includes the project maintainer Alexandre Jullard.  Codeweavers is to Wine much like Readhat is to Linux.  If you like Wine, you should like Codeweavers.</p><p>I'm not trying to berate or downlplay PlayOnLinux in any way.  It's a very good project.  But the stupid accusations that Crossover is doing something wrong or stealing something is flat out wrong.  I don't know where this comes from but please stop.  You are misinformed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should keep researching because you are still clueless .
Crossover , which predates PlayOnLinux , did n't take anything from PlayOnLinux .
If anything PlayOnLinux took from Crossover at least in concept .
As far as I know neither Crossover or PlayOnLinux share any code at all beyond Wine itself .
They are two independent projects that approach the same problem .
Neither one is a re-branding of the other.Since you 're probably confused about Codeweavers role as well , I 'll lay it out too .
Codeweavers is the organization that makes and sells Crossover .
Codeweavers employs much of the moving force behind Wine .
That includes the project maintainer Alexandre Jullard .
Codeweavers is to Wine much like Readhat is to Linux .
If you like Wine , you should like Codeweavers.I 'm not trying to berate or downlplay PlayOnLinux in any way .
It 's a very good project .
But the stupid accusations that Crossover is doing something wrong or stealing something is flat out wrong .
I do n't know where this comes from but please stop .
You are misinformed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should keep researching because you are still clueless.
Crossover, which predates PlayOnLinux, didn't take anything from PlayOnLinux.
If anything PlayOnLinux took from Crossover at least in concept.
As far as I know neither Crossover or PlayOnLinux share any code at all beyond Wine itself.
They are two independent projects that approach the same problem.
Neither one is a re-branding of the other.Since you're probably confused about Codeweavers role as well, I'll lay it out too.
Codeweavers is the organization that makes and sells Crossover.
Codeweavers employs much of the moving force behind Wine.
That includes the project maintainer Alexandre Jullard.
Codeweavers is to Wine much like Readhat is to Linux.
If you like Wine, you should like Codeweavers.I'm not trying to berate or downlplay PlayOnLinux in any way.
It's a very good project.
But the stupid accusations that Crossover is doing something wrong or stealing something is flat out wrong.
I don't know where this comes from but please stop.
You are misinformed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377080</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371640</id>
	<title>Typo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267807740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>CompatAbility?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>CompatAbility ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CompatAbility?
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372280</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267810680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, you can buy direct support from CodeWeavers at which point they will dedicate development time to the application you request. If it really is important to both use Linux in your environment and use your broken (in wine) application, this is always an option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , you can buy direct support from CodeWeavers at which point they will dedicate development time to the application you request .
If it really is important to both use Linux in your environment and use your broken ( in wine ) application , this is always an option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, you can buy direct support from CodeWeavers at which point they will dedicate development time to the application you request.
If it really is important to both use Linux in your environment and use your broken (in wine) application, this is always an option.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372126</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371920</id>
	<title>Not Worth it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267809000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't see why Crossover is a better value than Wine...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't see why Crossover is a better value than Wine.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't see why Crossover is a better value than Wine...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31375412</id>
	<title>Nice, but...</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1267782600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I picked up CX Games a few years back during that "freebie" promotion they had, but I had a few issues. I have never been able to correctly "uninstall" a windows program. I just have to completely nuke the bottle. And it ran Guild Wars beautifully when I was running 32-bit ubuntu, but on 64-bit linux mint, not so much.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>I've considered giving them another go (after all, it's been a couple of years) but I hit the biggest problem. I can't find any real feature comparison between the versions! What does Pro offer that Games doesn't, and vice versa?  Is one a superset of the other or do I have to buy both if I want to use both games and apps?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I picked up CX Games a few years back during that " freebie " promotion they had , but I had a few issues .
I have never been able to correctly " uninstall " a windows program .
I just have to completely nuke the bottle .
And it ran Guild Wars beautifully when I was running 32-bit ubuntu , but on 64-bit linux mint , not so much .
: PI 've considered giving them another go ( after all , it 's been a couple of years ) but I hit the biggest problem .
I ca n't find any real feature comparison between the versions !
What does Pro offer that Games does n't , and vice versa ?
Is one a superset of the other or do I have to buy both if I want to use both games and apps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I picked up CX Games a few years back during that "freebie" promotion they had, but I had a few issues.
I have never been able to correctly "uninstall" a windows program.
I just have to completely nuke the bottle.
And it ran Guild Wars beautifully when I was running 32-bit ubuntu, but on 64-bit linux mint, not so much.
:PI've considered giving them another go (after all, it's been a couple of years) but I hit the biggest problem.
I can't find any real feature comparison between the versions!
What does Pro offer that Games doesn't, and vice versa?
Is one a superset of the other or do I have to buy both if I want to use both games and apps?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372432</id>
	<title>Just be careful with their Crossover Games product</title>
	<author>laing</author>
	<datestamp>1267811520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know this article is about CX Pro but I'm going to chime in about one of CodeWeavers' other products: CrossOver Games.
<p>
I've been using CX Games on and off for almost 2 years now.  The product is great if you are running a 32 bit version of Linux.  However, if you are running a 64 bit distribution, you WILL have problems.  My hardware is relatively modern (dual Xeons, 16G RAM, 9600GT video).  The issues you WILL have on a 64 bit system if you try to play a Windows game are continuous random crashes due to running out of memory.  I think CodeWeavers has good support as far as they can go.  Their problem is that they are basically a 're-seller' of WINE and don't have control over that 'product'.  I'm not going to bother submitting links into their support forums on this issue, if challenged I will link to the post where they admit that it just won't work right and there's nothing they can do about it.
</p><p>
BTW, I also use Crossover &amp; MS Office under Trusted Solaris and I think it's a vast improvement over the previous solution (Star Office).  I'm not a big fan of Microsoft but when the application (word processing, spreadsheets, presentations) opens 3 times faster and is more responsive and reliable, I take notice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this article is about CX Pro but I 'm going to chime in about one of CodeWeavers ' other products : CrossOver Games .
I 've been using CX Games on and off for almost 2 years now .
The product is great if you are running a 32 bit version of Linux .
However , if you are running a 64 bit distribution , you WILL have problems .
My hardware is relatively modern ( dual Xeons , 16G RAM , 9600GT video ) .
The issues you WILL have on a 64 bit system if you try to play a Windows game are continuous random crashes due to running out of memory .
I think CodeWeavers has good support as far as they can go .
Their problem is that they are basically a 're-seller ' of WINE and do n't have control over that 'product' .
I 'm not going to bother submitting links into their support forums on this issue , if challenged I will link to the post where they admit that it just wo n't work right and there 's nothing they can do about it .
BTW , I also use Crossover &amp; MS Office under Trusted Solaris and I think it 's a vast improvement over the previous solution ( Star Office ) .
I 'm not a big fan of Microsoft but when the application ( word processing , spreadsheets , presentations ) opens 3 times faster and is more responsive and reliable , I take notice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this article is about CX Pro but I'm going to chime in about one of CodeWeavers' other products: CrossOver Games.
I've been using CX Games on and off for almost 2 years now.
The product is great if you are running a 32 bit version of Linux.
However, if you are running a 64 bit distribution, you WILL have problems.
My hardware is relatively modern (dual Xeons, 16G RAM, 9600GT video).
The issues you WILL have on a 64 bit system if you try to play a Windows game are continuous random crashes due to running out of memory.
I think CodeWeavers has good support as far as they can go.
Their problem is that they are basically a 're-seller' of WINE and don't have control over that 'product'.
I'm not going to bother submitting links into their support forums on this issue, if challenged I will link to the post where they admit that it just won't work right and there's nothing they can do about it.
BTW, I also use Crossover &amp; MS Office under Trusted Solaris and I think it's a vast improvement over the previous solution (Star Office).
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft but when the application (word processing, spreadsheets, presentations) opens 3 times faster and is more responsive and reliable, I take notice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372214</id>
	<title>&lt;sarcasm&gt;Very original idea&lt;/sarcasm&gt;</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267810380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> 'If another CrossOver user has figured out how to use CrossOver to install a Windows application, they can upload that installation recipe to our database,'</p><p>This sounds a lot like <a href="http://wddb.wine-doors.org/" title="wine-doors.org" rel="nofollow">Wine-doors</a> [wine-doors.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'If another CrossOver user has figured out how to use CrossOver to install a Windows application , they can upload that installation recipe to our database,'This sounds a lot like Wine-doors [ wine-doors.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 'If another CrossOver user has figured out how to use CrossOver to install a Windows application, they can upload that installation recipe to our database,'This sounds a lot like Wine-doors [wine-doors.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372354</id>
	<title>Re:User interface and easy installation</title>
	<author>MikeBabcock</author>
	<datestamp>1267811040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your laziness is someone else's problem how exactly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your laziness is someone else 's problem how exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your laziness is someone else's problem how exactly?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377508</id>
	<title>Re:PlayOnLinux</title>
	<author>theskipper</author>
	<datestamp>1267797660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone else noted, that's not the case.  Both Crossover Linux and Games are essentially frozen point releases of wine with a nifty installer and other stuff.  But that's mainly because they're catering to the top applications like MS Word and the like.  Intermediate wine releases would no doubt break something and that's not what purchasers of CX are looking for.</p><p>I don't know if PlayonLinux uses the intermediate wine releases (?) but I've found it works better in many instances like Sims3, etc.  In any case, even with PlayonLinux installed, I still buy subscriptions to both CX Linux and Games.  Mainly because they work well but also to support the wine project.  For all intents and purposes, it's the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone else noted , that 's not the case .
Both Crossover Linux and Games are essentially frozen point releases of wine with a nifty installer and other stuff .
But that 's mainly because they 're catering to the top applications like MS Word and the like .
Intermediate wine releases would no doubt break something and that 's not what purchasers of CX are looking for.I do n't know if PlayonLinux uses the intermediate wine releases ( ?
) but I 've found it works better in many instances like Sims3 , etc .
In any case , even with PlayonLinux installed , I still buy subscriptions to both CX Linux and Games .
Mainly because they work well but also to support the wine project .
For all intents and purposes , it 's the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone else noted, that's not the case.
Both Crossover Linux and Games are essentially frozen point releases of wine with a nifty installer and other stuff.
But that's mainly because they're catering to the top applications like MS Word and the like.
Intermediate wine releases would no doubt break something and that's not what purchasers of CX are looking for.I don't know if PlayonLinux uses the intermediate wine releases (?
) but I've found it works better in many instances like Sims3, etc.
In any case, even with PlayonLinux installed, I still buy subscriptions to both CX Linux and Games.
Mainly because they work well but also to support the wine project.
For all intents and purposes, it's the same.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377080</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31373694</id>
	<title>"Compatability"?</title>
	<author>Corson</author>
	<datestamp>1267817460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Compatable" is a misspelled word. <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/compatibility" title="thefreedictionary.com">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/compatibility</a> [thefreedictionary.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Compatable " is a misspelled word .
http : //www.thefreedictionary.com/compatibility [ thefreedictionary.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Compatable" is a misspelled word.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/compatibility [thefreedictionary.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371634</id>
	<title>Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267807740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>n/t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>n/t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>n/t</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31373066</id>
	<title>This article is nothing more than an advertisement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267814700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wake up fellow slashdotters! Do you want your source of "news for nerds" to turn into one of those paid-to-review-favorably sites?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake up fellow slashdotters !
Do you want your source of " news for nerds " to turn into one of those paid-to-review-favorably sites ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake up fellow slashdotters!
Do you want your source of "news for nerds" to turn into one of those paid-to-review-favorably sites?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371788</id>
	<title>Adobe..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267808340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any word on photoshop? lightroom?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any word on photoshop ?
lightroom ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any word on photoshop?
lightroom?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31373042</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer...</title>
	<author>basotl</author>
	<datestamp>1267814580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you seen the videos of the alpha for VLMC? The guys that created VLC decided to to create a movie creator.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vdwNsvbZI" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vdwNsvbZI</a> [youtube.com]

It seems to show a lot of promise,. Even drawing comparisons to professional products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you seen the videos of the alpha for VLMC ?
The guys that created VLC decided to to create a movie creator .
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 02vdwNsvbZI [ youtube.com ] It seems to show a lot of promise, .
Even drawing comparisons to professional products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you seen the videos of the alpha for VLMC?
The guys that created VLC decided to to create a movie creator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vdwNsvbZI [youtube.com]

It seems to show a lot of promise,.
Even drawing comparisons to professional products.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371940</id>
	<title>botnet</title>
	<author>dnwq</author>
	<datestamp>1267809120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope they check user-reported installation recipes, or people are going to find their instructions freshly packaged with Botnet 9.0 too...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they check user-reported installation recipes , or people are going to find their instructions freshly packaged with Botnet 9.0 too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they check user-reported installation recipes, or people are going to find their instructions freshly packaged with Botnet 9.0 too...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31375366</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267782360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just run it natively in VirtualBox...am I missing something here? I do that with Flash CS4 and Netflix online streaming, a flight simulator, and even a commercial video editor (don't have Vegas, but I'm sure it'd work)...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just run it natively in VirtualBox...am I missing something here ?
I do that with Flash CS4 and Netflix online streaming , a flight simulator , and even a commercial video editor ( do n't have Vegas , but I 'm sure it 'd work ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just run it natively in VirtualBox...am I missing something here?
I do that with Flash CS4 and Netflix online streaming, a flight simulator, and even a commercial video editor (don't have Vegas, but I'm sure it'd work)...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372126</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31376404</id>
	<title>All I heard was...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267788360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Users of a certain proprietary software can now make eachother get Windows viruses on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Users of a certain proprietary software can now make eachother get Windows viruses on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Users of a certain proprietary software can now make eachother get Windows viruses on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372126</id>
	<title>Bummer...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267809960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still wont run the only apps I need to ditch windows.</p><p>Sony Vegas and a couple other video editing apps.</p><p>there is NOTHING under linux that is usable outside very simple home movies.  I'd pay 2X the price for Vegas retail if I could get it for Linux.</p><p>And yes, I have tried everything for linux video editing, they all either <a href="http://cinelerra.org/" title="cinelerra.org">completely suck</a> [cinelerra.org] or are half done, or are designed for home users... OpenShot is nice for home use, sucks for editing a 1 hour TV episode with tons of composting and CG.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still wont run the only apps I need to ditch windows.Sony Vegas and a couple other video editing apps.there is NOTHING under linux that is usable outside very simple home movies .
I 'd pay 2X the price for Vegas retail if I could get it for Linux.And yes , I have tried everything for linux video editing , they all either completely suck [ cinelerra.org ] or are half done , or are designed for home users... OpenShot is nice for home use , sucks for editing a 1 hour TV episode with tons of composting and CG .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still wont run the only apps I need to ditch windows.Sony Vegas and a couple other video editing apps.there is NOTHING under linux that is usable outside very simple home movies.
I'd pay 2X the price for Vegas retail if I could get it for Linux.And yes, I have tried everything for linux video editing, they all either completely suck [cinelerra.org] or are half done, or are designed for home users... OpenShot is nice for home use, sucks for editing a 1 hour TV episode with tons of composting and CG.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31373088</id>
	<title>Re:Mono</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1267814760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to mention, that the majority of games, are specifically compiled to binary and often tweaked beyond that to perform well on a specific platform.  Most of the Microsoft Office suite in particular is tied deeply to COM/VBA.  All of which doesn't have a Mono equivalent.  As a developer I like Mono a lot, but that's a far cry from the majority of already written applications being available.  And involving games, many of which already written to target Windows only.  I would love to see Crossover and Valve get together to support something that looks like a native Steam application, or is a native steam application, perhaps funded via Valve w/ Crossover.  That could be a huge boon to have even a large subset of apps available to Linux.
<br> <br>
I personally won't install any apps (beyond windows' own) with DRM included (ie games).  I've had it mess with my CD/DVD authoring software which is far more important to me.  Though, I've been considering an additional OS install just for games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention , that the majority of games , are specifically compiled to binary and often tweaked beyond that to perform well on a specific platform .
Most of the Microsoft Office suite in particular is tied deeply to COM/VBA .
All of which does n't have a Mono equivalent .
As a developer I like Mono a lot , but that 's a far cry from the majority of already written applications being available .
And involving games , many of which already written to target Windows only .
I would love to see Crossover and Valve get together to support something that looks like a native Steam application , or is a native steam application , perhaps funded via Valve w/ Crossover .
That could be a huge boon to have even a large subset of apps available to Linux .
I personally wo n't install any apps ( beyond windows ' own ) with DRM included ( ie games ) .
I 've had it mess with my CD/DVD authoring software which is far more important to me .
Though , I 've been considering an additional OS install just for games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention, that the majority of games, are specifically compiled to binary and often tweaked beyond that to perform well on a specific platform.
Most of the Microsoft Office suite in particular is tied deeply to COM/VBA.
All of which doesn't have a Mono equivalent.
As a developer I like Mono a lot, but that's a far cry from the majority of already written applications being available.
And involving games, many of which already written to target Windows only.
I would love to see Crossover and Valve get together to support something that looks like a native Steam application, or is a native steam application, perhaps funded via Valve w/ Crossover.
That could be a huge boon to have even a large subset of apps available to Linux.
I personally won't install any apps (beyond windows' own) with DRM included (ie games).
I've had it mess with my CD/DVD authoring software which is far more important to me.
Though, I've been considering an additional OS install just for games.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31415466</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>kusmin</author>
	<datestamp>1268156880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>About a year ago I paid for Crossover Pro, and was surprised:   Crossover Games is included.
I just checked: in My Downloads I can download
CrossOver Linux Standard 9.0.0,
CrossOver Linux Professional 9.0.0,  and
CrossOver Games Linux 8.1.4  .

So, pay for the Pro and you have everything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>About a year ago I paid for Crossover Pro , and was surprised : Crossover Games is included .
I just checked : in My Downloads I can download CrossOver Linux Standard 9.0.0 , CrossOver Linux Professional 9.0.0 , and CrossOver Games Linux 8.1.4 .
So , pay for the Pro and you have everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About a year ago I paid for Crossover Pro, and was surprised:   Crossover Games is included.
I just checked: in My Downloads I can download
CrossOver Linux Standard 9.0.0,
CrossOver Linux Professional 9.0.0,  and
CrossOver Games Linux 8.1.4  .
So, pay for the Pro and you have everything.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372286</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer...</title>
	<author>mottie</author>
	<datestamp>1267810680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Other people (at least two) have gotten it to work:

<a href="http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&amp;iId=15124&amp;iTestingId=43419" title="winehq.org">http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&amp;iId=15124&amp;iTestingId=43419</a> [winehq.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Other people ( at least two ) have gotten it to work : http : //appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php ? sClass = version&amp;iId = 15124&amp;iTestingId = 43419 [ winehq.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other people (at least two) have gotten it to work:

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&amp;iId=15124&amp;iTestingId=43419 [winehq.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31373086</id>
	<title>Will it run Age of Empires II on a mac?</title>
	<author>DavidR1991</author>
	<datestamp>1267814760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AOE II is the one app I have so far been completely unable to get running in VMs  (VirtualBox: It crashes out on new game, VMWare: It can't even start  Parallels: Unplayable slow + App itself brings processor to a boil) or the OS X<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.app of Wine - or the previous version of CrossOver in fact.</p><p>Looks like it's time to try again...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AOE II is the one app I have so far been completely unable to get running in VMs ( VirtualBox : It crashes out on new game , VMWare : It ca n't even start Parallels : Unplayable slow + App itself brings processor to a boil ) or the OS X .app of Wine - or the previous version of CrossOver in fact.Looks like it 's time to try again.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AOE II is the one app I have so far been completely unable to get running in VMs  (VirtualBox: It crashes out on new game, VMWare: It can't even start  Parallels: Unplayable slow + App itself brings processor to a boil) or the OS X .app of Wine - or the previous version of CrossOver in fact.Looks like it's time to try again...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31380146</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer...</title>
	<author>dotancohen</author>
	<datestamp>1267884180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sony Vegas and a couple other video editing apps.</p></div><p>Write to them and ask when they will either have a native Linux port, or have Wine as a supported platform:<br><a href="http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/corporate/contacts.asp" title="sonycreativesoftware.com">http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/corporate/contacts.asp</a> [sonycreativesoftware.com]</p><p>Seriously, do it. If they don't know that people \_want\_ ro run their software on Linux, then they will never port it or write it in a wine-compatible fashion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony Vegas and a couple other video editing apps.Write to them and ask when they will either have a native Linux port , or have Wine as a supported platform : http : //www.sonycreativesoftware.com/corporate/contacts.asp [ sonycreativesoftware.com ] Seriously , do it .
If they do n't know that people \ _want \ _ ro run their software on Linux , then they will never port it or write it in a wine-compatible fashion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony Vegas and a couple other video editing apps.Write to them and ask when they will either have a native Linux port, or have Wine as a supported platform:http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/corporate/contacts.asp [sonycreativesoftware.com]Seriously, do it.
If they don't know that people \_want\_ ro run their software on Linux, then they will never port it or write it in a wine-compatible fashion.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31412278</id>
	<title>Crossover stuff</title>
	<author>PookieDaCat</author>
	<datestamp>1268143200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, and I run virtualbox because the two apps I like in Windoze don't run in crossover plugins.

When crossover can handle Windows DRM, call me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , and I run virtualbox because the two apps I like in Windoze do n't run in crossover plugins .
When crossover can handle Windows DRM , call me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, and I run virtualbox because the two apps I like in Windoze don't run in crossover plugins.
When crossover can handle Windows DRM, call me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377080</id>
	<title>PlayOnLinux</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1267793160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds to me, based on their description, like they've taken PlayOnLinux and rebranded it with (hopefully) substantial refinements.</p><p>PlayOnLinux is a frontend installer for both WINE and Windows applications - specifically games, as one might expect given the name. It uses "formulas" to get proper application support. These formulas have specific WINE build versions (whether in CVS or not) which are known to work with the chosen application. It then installs the WINE version with specific WINE settings as well as the chosen Windows application within its own environment path, essentially 'jailed' from other, separate WINE + application installs.</p><p>I've used PlayOnLinux to install a number of games (FallOut 3 included), and I was quite pleasantly surprised how well it worked. No, it doesn't always work, but it works damn well none the less. I don't doubt that many "hardcore gamers" (not of the bleeding edge variety, but of the addicted-to-games variety) who aren't terribly computer savvy would have little/no problem using it to install a great many of their favorites (Blizzard and Valve fare, for instance).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds to me , based on their description , like they 've taken PlayOnLinux and rebranded it with ( hopefully ) substantial refinements.PlayOnLinux is a frontend installer for both WINE and Windows applications - specifically games , as one might expect given the name .
It uses " formulas " to get proper application support .
These formulas have specific WINE build versions ( whether in CVS or not ) which are known to work with the chosen application .
It then installs the WINE version with specific WINE settings as well as the chosen Windows application within its own environment path , essentially 'jailed ' from other , separate WINE + application installs.I 've used PlayOnLinux to install a number of games ( FallOut 3 included ) , and I was quite pleasantly surprised how well it worked .
No , it does n't always work , but it works damn well none the less .
I do n't doubt that many " hardcore gamers " ( not of the bleeding edge variety , but of the addicted-to-games variety ) who are n't terribly computer savvy would have little/no problem using it to install a great many of their favorites ( Blizzard and Valve fare , for instance ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds to me, based on their description, like they've taken PlayOnLinux and rebranded it with (hopefully) substantial refinements.PlayOnLinux is a frontend installer for both WINE and Windows applications - specifically games, as one might expect given the name.
It uses "formulas" to get proper application support.
These formulas have specific WINE build versions (whether in CVS or not) which are known to work with the chosen application.
It then installs the WINE version with specific WINE settings as well as the chosen Windows application within its own environment path, essentially 'jailed' from other, separate WINE + application installs.I've used PlayOnLinux to install a number of games (FallOut 3 included), and I was quite pleasantly surprised how well it worked.
No, it doesn't always work, but it works damn well none the less.
I don't doubt that many "hardcore gamers" (not of the bleeding edge variety, but of the addicted-to-games variety) who aren't terribly computer savvy would have little/no problem using it to install a great many of their favorites (Blizzard and Valve fare, for instance).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377120</id>
	<title>Re:User interface and easy installation</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1267793520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not going through the pain to submit it again if that's the kind of people that processes my bug report.</p></div><p>So the "pain" was caused by your failure to format a number to accommodate their bug report system and they should have be able to figure out your bonehead move and automagically fix it?</p><p>Now, since it's clearly your fault, you will not only fail to participate in the community, but publicly embarrass yourself with insight into your arrogance and cluelessness?</p><p>

Sounds good to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not going through the pain to submit it again if that 's the kind of people that processes my bug report.So the " pain " was caused by your failure to format a number to accommodate their bug report system and they should have be able to figure out your bonehead move and automagically fix it ? Now , since it 's clearly your fault , you will not only fail to participate in the community , but publicly embarrass yourself with insight into your arrogance and cluelessness ?
Sounds good to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not going through the pain to submit it again if that's the kind of people that processes my bug report.So the "pain" was caused by your failure to format a number to accommodate their bug report system and they should have be able to figure out your bonehead move and automagically fix it?Now, since it's clearly your fault, you will not only fail to participate in the community, but publicly embarrass yourself with insight into your arrogance and cluelessness?
Sounds good to me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31380164</id>
	<title>Re:Just be careful with their Crossover Games prod</title>
	<author>dotancohen</author>
	<datestamp>1267884540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, if you are running a 64 bit distribution, you WILL have problems...<br>snip<br>The issues you WILL have on a 64 bit system if you try to play a Windows game are continuous random crashes due to running out of memory.</p></div><p>You mean to say that those are the issue YOU have. I don't have those issues.</p><p>Oh, and CodeWeavers is not a re-seller of Wine. If that is what you think, then I doubt that you are even a customer of theirs. Go buy your Wine somewhere else, if that is what you think.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , if you are running a 64 bit distribution , you WILL have problems...snipThe issues you WILL have on a 64 bit system if you try to play a Windows game are continuous random crashes due to running out of memory.You mean to say that those are the issue YOU have .
I do n't have those issues.Oh , and CodeWeavers is not a re-seller of Wine .
If that is what you think , then I doubt that you are even a customer of theirs .
Go buy your Wine somewhere else , if that is what you think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, if you are running a 64 bit distribution, you WILL have problems...snipThe issues you WILL have on a 64 bit system if you try to play a Windows game are continuous random crashes due to running out of memory.You mean to say that those are the issue YOU have.
I don't have those issues.Oh, and CodeWeavers is not a re-seller of Wine.
If that is what you think, then I doubt that you are even a customer of theirs.
Go buy your Wine somewhere else, if that is what you think.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372432</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371806</id>
	<title>Gareins</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267808400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a year with good community work this will become sooo awesome. If you can automatically install "patches" or "settings" (or however those modifications are called)  for certain application and it runs as a classic platinum application (flawlessly) than it'll be a must have for most Ubuntu users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a year with good community work this will become sooo awesome .
If you can automatically install " patches " or " settings " ( or however those modifications are called ) for certain application and it runs as a classic platinum application ( flawlessly ) than it 'll be a must have for most Ubuntu users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a year with good community work this will become sooo awesome.
If you can automatically install "patches" or "settings" (or however those modifications are called)  for certain application and it runs as a classic platinum application (flawlessly) than it'll be a must have for most Ubuntu users.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31374978</id>
	<title>Re:Will it run Age of Empires II on a mac?</title>
	<author>nextekcarl</author>
	<datestamp>1267780440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can get a new game to start in VirtuaBox, but the mouse pointer doesn't work. Too bad, it was a fun game, back in the day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can get a new game to start in VirtuaBox , but the mouse pointer does n't work .
Too bad , it was a fun game , back in the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can get a new game to start in VirtuaBox, but the mouse pointer doesn't work.
Too bad, it was a fun game, back in the day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372542</id>
	<title>Re:User interface and easy installation</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1267812060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wine developers have a lot of work to do.  Getting the version number correct is the least you could do.  Submitting the bug to wine's bugzilla and not the AppDB is also very important.  The AppDB is for the benefit of end users. Developers don't necessarily read the AppDB, they do keep up with the bugzilla.</p><p>I can almost guarantee that if you submit a bug in the right place in the right format, you'll get a response.  That response will almost certainly be a request for a <a href="http://wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting" title="winehq.org">regression test</a> [winehq.org].  It doesn't take much skill, so better to have users do it than busy, highly skilled devlopers.  When I have done this I have had very good results getting regressions fixed.  Sometimes even in the same day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wine developers have a lot of work to do .
Getting the version number correct is the least you could do .
Submitting the bug to wine 's bugzilla and not the AppDB is also very important .
The AppDB is for the benefit of end users .
Developers do n't necessarily read the AppDB , they do keep up with the bugzilla.I can almost guarantee that if you submit a bug in the right place in the right format , you 'll get a response .
That response will almost certainly be a request for a regression test [ winehq.org ] .
It does n't take much skill , so better to have users do it than busy , highly skilled devlopers .
When I have done this I have had very good results getting regressions fixed .
Sometimes even in the same day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wine developers have a lot of work to do.
Getting the version number correct is the least you could do.
Submitting the bug to wine's bugzilla and not the AppDB is also very important.
The AppDB is for the benefit of end users.
Developers don't necessarily read the AppDB, they do keep up with the bugzilla.I can almost guarantee that if you submit a bug in the right place in the right format, you'll get a response.
That response will almost certainly be a request for a regression test [winehq.org].
It doesn't take much skill, so better to have users do it than busy, highly skilled devlopers.
When I have done this I have had very good results getting regressions fixed.
Sometimes even in the same day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377052</id>
	<title>Re:Typo</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1267792920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <tt> CompatAbility(tm)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</tt></p> </div><p>FTFY</p><p>(Feel better now? There's a nap for that.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>CompatAbility ( tm ) : ) FTFY ( Feel better now ?
There 's a nap for that .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  CompatAbility(tm) :) FTFY(Feel better now?
There's a nap for that.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371746</id>
	<title>Mono</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267808280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know I will be modded to Oblivion. But thanks I have Mono, open source, Cross platform and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net Framework (and IMO better than Java). I don't have to muck around with my applications to be compatible with other OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I will be modded to Oblivion .
But thanks I have Mono , open source , Cross platform and .Net Framework ( and IMO better than Java ) .
I do n't have to muck around with my applications to be compatible with other OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I will be modded to Oblivion.
But thanks I have Mono, open source, Cross platform and .Net Framework (and IMO better than Java).
I don't have to muck around with my applications to be compatible with other OS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372766</id>
	<title>Re:Mono</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267813260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good that you brought this up. I have given up on wine ages ago, since I am satisfied with the 2-3<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net apps out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good that you brought this up .
I have given up on wine ages ago , since I am satisfied with the 2-3 .net apps out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good that you brought this up.
I have given up on wine ages ago, since I am satisfied with the 2-3 .net apps out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31372100</id>
	<title>Re:Mono</title>
	<author>Jahava</author>
	<datestamp>1267809840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know I will be modded to Oblivion. But thanks I have Mono, open source, Cross platform and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net Framework (and IMO better than Java). I don't have to muck around with my applications to be compatible with other OS.</p></div><p>I'm not going to mod you, but I will respond. Cross-platform initiatives like Mono and Java take a shot at addressing the realm that Crossover handles, but they are far from a working or complete solution. Here's why:</p><p>Many applications - specifically, many of the ones that are important enough to make a person choose an operating system - are not written in Mono or Java. The reason why is worthy of discussion, but that doesn't affect the fact that this is the case. These applications include the obvious set: the Microsoft Office suite, Photoshop, AutoCAD, ArcGIS, mainstream games, <em>et cetera</em>. Linux as a platform could be desired (by the users) or applied to increase productivity, but the criticality of these applications prohibits it from being even considered.</p><p>Now, Windows virtualization has done wonders for allowing such software to be usable in a Linux environment, but there are both integration and performance issues with that solution. Furthermore, it can be difficult for a <em>nth</em>-degree-removed user to justify to management why they still need a Windows license but want to go out of their way not to run Windows.</p><p>On the other side, even cross-platform languages like Mono and Java still can have platform dependencies written into them. Many applications need or use functionality beyond that which is provided in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Runtime API and resort to native interface calls. Poor programming can result in hard-coded filesystem specifics (like path separators). Cross-platform-aware vendors may write Windows- and Linux-specific parts of their larger codebase, but others will not. Point being, an application is not cross-platform merely on virtue of being written in a cross-platform language.</p><p>Be it issues with language or issues with general compatibility, there is a need to run Windows applications in a Linux environment that is not really solvable without a compatibility layer like Crossover. Until (if ever) vendors actually make a point of releasing cross-platform builds (or platform-specific builds for all mainstream platforms), Crossover provides a low-cost functional solution to a real user and industry need, and with it removes a roadblock that can, for many, completely disqualify non-Windows operating systems as a platform choice.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I know I will be modded to Oblivion .
But thanks I have Mono , open source , Cross platform and .Net Framework ( and IMO better than Java ) .
I do n't have to muck around with my applications to be compatible with other OS.I 'm not going to mod you , but I will respond .
Cross-platform initiatives like Mono and Java take a shot at addressing the realm that Crossover handles , but they are far from a working or complete solution .
Here 's why : Many applications - specifically , many of the ones that are important enough to make a person choose an operating system - are not written in Mono or Java .
The reason why is worthy of discussion , but that does n't affect the fact that this is the case .
These applications include the obvious set : the Microsoft Office suite , Photoshop , AutoCAD , ArcGIS , mainstream games , et cetera .
Linux as a platform could be desired ( by the users ) or applied to increase productivity , but the criticality of these applications prohibits it from being even considered.Now , Windows virtualization has done wonders for allowing such software to be usable in a Linux environment , but there are both integration and performance issues with that solution .
Furthermore , it can be difficult for a nth-degree-removed user to justify to management why they still need a Windows license but want to go out of their way not to run Windows.On the other side , even cross-platform languages like Mono and Java still can have platform dependencies written into them .
Many applications need or use functionality beyond that which is provided in the .NET Runtime API and resort to native interface calls .
Poor programming can result in hard-coded filesystem specifics ( like path separators ) .
Cross-platform-aware vendors may write Windows- and Linux-specific parts of their larger codebase , but others will not .
Point being , an application is not cross-platform merely on virtue of being written in a cross-platform language.Be it issues with language or issues with general compatibility , there is a need to run Windows applications in a Linux environment that is not really solvable without a compatibility layer like Crossover .
Until ( if ever ) vendors actually make a point of releasing cross-platform builds ( or platform-specific builds for all mainstream platforms ) , Crossover provides a low-cost functional solution to a real user and industry need , and with it removes a roadblock that can , for many , completely disqualify non-Windows operating systems as a platform choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I will be modded to Oblivion.
But thanks I have Mono, open source, Cross platform and .Net Framework (and IMO better than Java).
I don't have to muck around with my applications to be compatible with other OS.I'm not going to mod you, but I will respond.
Cross-platform initiatives like Mono and Java take a shot at addressing the realm that Crossover handles, but they are far from a working or complete solution.
Here's why:Many applications - specifically, many of the ones that are important enough to make a person choose an operating system - are not written in Mono or Java.
The reason why is worthy of discussion, but that doesn't affect the fact that this is the case.
These applications include the obvious set: the Microsoft Office suite, Photoshop, AutoCAD, ArcGIS, mainstream games, et cetera.
Linux as a platform could be desired (by the users) or applied to increase productivity, but the criticality of these applications prohibits it from being even considered.Now, Windows virtualization has done wonders for allowing such software to be usable in a Linux environment, but there are both integration and performance issues with that solution.
Furthermore, it can be difficult for a nth-degree-removed user to justify to management why they still need a Windows license but want to go out of their way not to run Windows.On the other side, even cross-platform languages like Mono and Java still can have platform dependencies written into them.
Many applications need or use functionality beyond that which is provided in the .NET Runtime API and resort to native interface calls.
Poor programming can result in hard-coded filesystem specifics (like path separators).
Cross-platform-aware vendors may write Windows- and Linux-specific parts of their larger codebase, but others will not.
Point being, an application is not cross-platform merely on virtue of being written in a cross-platform language.Be it issues with language or issues with general compatibility, there is a need to run Windows applications in a Linux environment that is not really solvable without a compatibility layer like Crossover.
Until (if ever) vendors actually make a point of releasing cross-platform builds (or platform-specific builds for all mainstream platforms), Crossover provides a low-cost functional solution to a real user and industry need, and with it removes a roadblock that can, for many, completely disqualify non-Windows operating systems as a platform choice.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377316</id>
	<title>Re:All I heard was... -- You Heard Wrong</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1267795320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Users of a certain proprietary software can now make eachother get Windows viruses on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X"</p></div><p>You say that in a way that indicates that not only are you uninformed, but you wish to spread FUD. I hope that's not the case.</p><p>WINE has progressed to the point where it can actually install and (kind of)run some viruses, but by using WINE instead of native Windows, there's little the virus can do in a malicious way. I have used WINE to "install" several infected apps that could easily be cleaned/disinfected and then run malware-free on WindowsXP.</p><p>Windows malware really can't hurt a Linux system although it might damage some ~/.wine files. No big deal.</p><p>Crossover even inhibits some malware attack vectors and enables safer default behavior for some notoriously unsafe win32 apps.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Users of a certain proprietary software can now make eachother get Windows viruses on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X " You say that in a way that indicates that not only are you uninformed , but you wish to spread FUD .
I hope that 's not the case.WINE has progressed to the point where it can actually install and ( kind of ) run some viruses , but by using WINE instead of native Windows , there 's little the virus can do in a malicious way .
I have used WINE to " install " several infected apps that could easily be cleaned/disinfected and then run malware-free on WindowsXP.Windows malware really ca n't hurt a Linux system although it might damage some ~ /.wine files .
No big deal.Crossover even inhibits some malware attack vectors and enables safer default behavior for some notoriously unsafe win32 apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Users of a certain proprietary software can now make eachother get Windows viruses on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X"You say that in a way that indicates that not only are you uninformed, but you wish to spread FUD.
I hope that's not the case.WINE has progressed to the point where it can actually install and (kind of)run some viruses, but by using WINE instead of native Windows, there's little the virus can do in a malicious way.
I have used WINE to "install" several infected apps that could easily be cleaned/disinfected and then run malware-free on WindowsXP.Windows malware really can't hurt a Linux system although it might damage some ~/.wine files.
No big deal.Crossover even inhibits some malware attack vectors and enables safer default behavior for some notoriously unsafe win32 apps.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377220</id>
	<title>Win4Lin/Merge</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1267794480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not a big fan of Microsoft but when the application (word processing, spreadsheets, presentations) opens 3 times faster and is more responsive and reliable, I take notice.</p></div><p>I was amazed at the performance of Windows 98 when run under Win4Lin/Merge: fast and stable. If it offered 3D support it would have made a great gaming platform. And because it actually ran on a Linux filesystem rather than FAT, there were never any registry corruption or other file corruption problems and it was nice to be able to apply UNIX file permissions to the Win98 files.</p><p>It did offer an explorer shell replacement that allowed you to boot directly into an app instead of the desktop. Anybody have a link to that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.exe?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm not a big fan of Microsoft but when the application ( word processing , spreadsheets , presentations ) opens 3 times faster and is more responsive and reliable , I take notice.I was amazed at the performance of Windows 98 when run under Win4Lin/Merge : fast and stable .
If it offered 3D support it would have made a great gaming platform .
And because it actually ran on a Linux filesystem rather than FAT , there were never any registry corruption or other file corruption problems and it was nice to be able to apply UNIX file permissions to the Win98 files.It did offer an explorer shell replacement that allowed you to boot directly into an app instead of the desktop .
Anybody have a link to that .exe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a big fan of Microsoft but when the application (word processing, spreadsheets, presentations) opens 3 times faster and is more responsive and reliable, I take notice.I was amazed at the performance of Windows 98 when run under Win4Lin/Merge: fast and stable.
If it offered 3D support it would have made a great gaming platform.
And because it actually ran on a Linux filesystem rather than FAT, there were never any registry corruption or other file corruption problems and it was nice to be able to apply UNIX file permissions to the Win98 files.It did offer an explorer shell replacement that allowed you to boot directly into an app instead of the desktop.
Anybody have a link to that .exe?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31377156</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer...</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1267793820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish that QuickBooks Pro would work with Crossover, but MS must pay QB a boatload of money (or have embarrassing Polaroids of the QB devs) to unnecessarily integrate the app with every Windows API and DLL that exists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish that QuickBooks Pro would work with Crossover , but MS must pay QB a boatload of money ( or have embarrassing Polaroids of the QB devs ) to unnecessarily integrate the app with every Windows API and DLL that exists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish that QuickBooks Pro would work with Crossover, but MS must pay QB a boatload of money (or have embarrassing Polaroids of the QB devs) to unnecessarily integrate the app with every Windows API and DLL that exists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371870</id>
	<title>User interface and easy installation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267808760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>User interface and easy installation aren't really that important to me... What is important to me is that it can actually run the applications, and can continue to do so. With a recent Wine upgrade, suddenly Age of Mythology couldn't run anymore, and when reverting back to an older version of Wine it works again.</p><p>And when I reported that bug to the appDB, they didn't add it because I gave the Wine version number in a wrong format (while they could easily have converted it to the right format).</p><p>Well, too bad for them if they don't even want to fix such a bug. I'll keep using the superior older version then. I'm not going through the pain to submit it again if that's the kind of people that processes my bug report.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>User interface and easy installation are n't really that important to me... What is important to me is that it can actually run the applications , and can continue to do so .
With a recent Wine upgrade , suddenly Age of Mythology could n't run anymore , and when reverting back to an older version of Wine it works again.And when I reported that bug to the appDB , they did n't add it because I gave the Wine version number in a wrong format ( while they could easily have converted it to the right format ) .Well , too bad for them if they do n't even want to fix such a bug .
I 'll keep using the superior older version then .
I 'm not going through the pain to submit it again if that 's the kind of people that processes my bug report .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>User interface and easy installation aren't really that important to me... What is important to me is that it can actually run the applications, and can continue to do so.
With a recent Wine upgrade, suddenly Age of Mythology couldn't run anymore, and when reverting back to an older version of Wine it works again.And when I reported that bug to the appDB, they didn't add it because I gave the Wine version number in a wrong format (while they could easily have converted it to the right format).Well, too bad for them if they don't even want to fix such a bug.
I'll keep using the superior older version then.
I'm not going through the pain to submit it again if that's the kind of people that processes my bug report.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31373056</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267814700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could try putting up a pledge on the CodeWeavers compatibility database...</p><p><a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=Vegas&amp;company=Sony&amp;search=app" title="codeweavers.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=Vegas&amp;company=Sony&amp;search=app</a> [codeweavers.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could try putting up a pledge on the CodeWeavers compatibility database...http : //www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search ? name = Vegas&amp;company = Sony&amp;search = app [ codeweavers.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could try putting up a pledge on the CodeWeavers compatibility database...http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=Vegas&amp;company=Sony&amp;search=app [codeweavers.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31399906</id>
	<title>Re:Mono</title>
	<author>html 5 tutor</author>
	<datestamp>1268059200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Until (if ever) vendors actually make a point of releasing cross-platform builds (or platform-specific builds for all mainstream platforms), Crossover provides a low-cost functional solution to a real user and industry need, and with it removes a roadblock that can, for many, completely disqualify non-Windows operating systems as a platform choice.</p></div><p>I agree. Personally I think it goes even beyond that. Some software vendors are already willing to supply patches that make their win32 software run better on Crossover. The next step is that they will test their products on Crossover before release for the simple reason that they are interested in linux themselves, that their developpers like linux, and/or that their customers are getting more and more interested in linux. Of course they want to keep their customers.

The market for running windows apps on linux is growing, and can only be growing more in the future. In a couple of years I do believe that win32 vendors support the wine/crossover platform as much as hardware vendors support linux nowadays.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Until ( if ever ) vendors actually make a point of releasing cross-platform builds ( or platform-specific builds for all mainstream platforms ) , Crossover provides a low-cost functional solution to a real user and industry need , and with it removes a roadblock that can , for many , completely disqualify non-Windows operating systems as a platform choice.I agree .
Personally I think it goes even beyond that .
Some software vendors are already willing to supply patches that make their win32 software run better on Crossover .
The next step is that they will test their products on Crossover before release for the simple reason that they are interested in linux themselves , that their developpers like linux , and/or that their customers are getting more and more interested in linux .
Of course they want to keep their customers .
The market for running windows apps on linux is growing , and can only be growing more in the future .
In a couple of years I do believe that win32 vendors support the wine/crossover platform as much as hardware vendors support linux nowadays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until (if ever) vendors actually make a point of releasing cross-platform builds (or platform-specific builds for all mainstream platforms), Crossover provides a low-cost functional solution to a real user and industry need, and with it removes a roadblock that can, for many, completely disqualify non-Windows operating systems as a platform choice.I agree.
Personally I think it goes even beyond that.
Some software vendors are already willing to supply patches that make their win32 software run better on Crossover.
The next step is that they will test their products on Crossover before release for the simple reason that they are interested in linux themselves, that their developpers like linux, and/or that their customers are getting more and more interested in linux.
Of course they want to keep their customers.
The market for running windows apps on linux is growing, and can only be growing more in the future.
In a couple of years I do believe that win32 vendors support the wine/crossover platform as much as hardware vendors support linux nowadays.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31371860</id>
	<title>Re:Typo</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1267808700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How on earth could they misspell "combat ability"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How on earth could they misspell " combat ability " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How on earth could they misspell "combat ability"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31393652</id>
	<title>Re:Just be careful with their Crossover Games prod</title>
	<author>laing</author>
	<datestamp>1267956480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, I have issues.  I am not alone.  If you search their support forums for 'crahes' and '64', you'll see an abundance of posts.  Some of them are quite detailed in describing the issue.
<p>
I suppose I could have been a bit more specific though.  The problems only occur if you are running a 64 bit OS and have more than 4GB of RAM.  (There isn't much point to running a 64 bit OS if you have less.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I have issues .
I am not alone .
If you search their support forums for 'crahes ' and '64 ' , you 'll see an abundance of posts .
Some of them are quite detailed in describing the issue .
I suppose I could have been a bit more specific though .
The problems only occur if you are running a 64 bit OS and have more than 4GB of RAM .
( There is n't much point to running a 64 bit OS if you have less .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I have issues.
I am not alone.
If you search their support forums for 'crahes' and '64', you'll see an abundance of posts.
Some of them are quite detailed in describing the issue.
I suppose I could have been a bit more specific though.
The problems only occur if you are running a 64 bit OS and have more than 4GB of RAM.
(There isn't much point to running a 64 bit OS if you have less.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_1510243.31375490</id>
	<title>Re:Just be careful with their Crossover Games prod</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267783080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Their problem is that they are basically a 're-seller' of WINE and don't have control over that 'product'.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why do you have such a problem with them reselling their own work?  Why don't you do some digging and find out where most of Wine development comes from?  You are just another clueless user ranting about shit you know little about.  Codeweavers represent much of the moving force behind Wine.  Alexandre Julliard works for Codeweavers.  Why don't you go figure out what he does for Wine.</p><p>The relationship between Codeweavers and Wine is like the relationship between Linux and Redhat.  You shouldn't hate Redhat for reselling Linux.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Their problem is that they are basically a 're-seller ' of WINE and do n't have control over that 'product'.Why do you have such a problem with them reselling their own work ?
Why do n't you do some digging and find out where most of Wine development comes from ?
You are just another clueless user ranting about shit you know little about .
Codeweavers represent much of the moving force behind Wine .
Alexandre Julliard works for Codeweavers .
Why do n't you go figure out what he does for Wine.The relationship between Codeweavers and Wine is like the relationship between Linux and Redhat .
You should n't hate Redhat for reselling Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their problem is that they are basically a 're-seller' of WINE and don't have control over that 'product'.Why do you have such a problem with them reselling their own work?
Why don't you do some digging and find out where most of Wine development comes from?
You are just another clueless user ranting about shit you know little about.
Codeweavers represent much of the moving force behind Wine.
Alexandre Julliard works for Codeweavers.
Why don't you go figure out what he does for Wine.The relationship between Codeweavers and Wine is like the relationship between Linux and Redhat.
You shouldn't hate Redhat for reselling Linux.
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