<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_05_061244</id>
	<title>Real Settles Lawsuits, Will Stop Selling RealDVD</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267794780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/" rel="nofollow">angry tapir</a> writes <i>"RealNetworks has <a href="http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/338375/real\_settles\_lawsuits\_will\_stop\_selling\_realdvd/">agreed to pay $4.5 million and permanently stop selling its RealDVD software</a> as part of a legal settlement with six Hollywood movie studios. The lawsuits date back to 2008 and <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/12/1220211/Judge-Rules-Against-RealDVD?art\_pos=1"> Slashdot has previously discussed them</a>. RealDVD is an application that lets people make copies of their DVDs."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>angry tapir writes " RealNetworks has agreed to pay $ 4.5 million and permanently stop selling its RealDVD software as part of a legal settlement with six Hollywood movie studios .
The lawsuits date back to 2008 and Slashdot has previously discussed them .
RealDVD is an application that lets people make copies of their DVDs .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>angry tapir writes "RealNetworks has agreed to pay $4.5 million and permanently stop selling its RealDVD software as part of a legal settlement with six Hollywood movie studios.
The lawsuits date back to 2008 and  Slashdot has previously discussed them.
RealDVD is an application that lets people make copies of their DVDs.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370246</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1267800780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They might be able to get you on copyright claims; but nothing DMCA related, since the DVD image you create will still have CSS fully intact(analogous to the old days, pre deCSS, where pirates simply produced cloned disks, which worked just fine because all consumer DVD players were designed to work with encrypted disks).<br> <br>

Still a useful technique in some cases. Because there is no re-encoding done, the CPU load of doing a rip that way(on any machine not stuck in PIO) is virtually nil, and the speed is limited only by the weakest link of your storage system(typically the DVD drive itself). VLC, or other civilized media players, will treat the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso exactly as though it were the original DVD. If you do need the additional compression, handbrake will accept the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso as an input. Very handy if you want to process multiple DVDs without being there to swap disks between encoding sessions. Do the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso dumps first, which is quite fast because it is computationally cheap, get all the disk swapping over with, then queue up the slow and computationally expensive encoding jobs to happen from the disk images while you go and do something else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They might be able to get you on copyright claims ; but nothing DMCA related , since the DVD image you create will still have CSS fully intact ( analogous to the old days , pre deCSS , where pirates simply produced cloned disks , which worked just fine because all consumer DVD players were designed to work with encrypted disks ) .
Still a useful technique in some cases .
Because there is no re-encoding done , the CPU load of doing a rip that way ( on any machine not stuck in PIO ) is virtually nil , and the speed is limited only by the weakest link of your storage system ( typically the DVD drive itself ) .
VLC , or other civilized media players , will treat the .iso exactly as though it were the original DVD .
If you do need the additional compression , handbrake will accept the .iso as an input .
Very handy if you want to process multiple DVDs without being there to swap disks between encoding sessions .
Do the .iso dumps first , which is quite fast because it is computationally cheap , get all the disk swapping over with , then queue up the slow and computationally expensive encoding jobs to happen from the disk images while you go and do something else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They might be able to get you on copyright claims; but nothing DMCA related, since the DVD image you create will still have CSS fully intact(analogous to the old days, pre deCSS, where pirates simply produced cloned disks, which worked just fine because all consumer DVD players were designed to work with encrypted disks).
Still a useful technique in some cases.
Because there is no re-encoding done, the CPU load of doing a rip that way(on any machine not stuck in PIO) is virtually nil, and the speed is limited only by the weakest link of your storage system(typically the DVD drive itself).
VLC, or other civilized media players, will treat the .iso exactly as though it were the original DVD.
If you do need the additional compression, handbrake will accept the .iso as an input.
Very handy if you want to process multiple DVDs without being there to swap disks between encoding sessions.
Do the .iso dumps first, which is quite fast because it is computationally cheap, get all the disk swapping over with, then queue up the slow and computationally expensive encoding jobs to happen from the disk images while you go and do something else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370148</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370090</id>
	<title>Stop selling could also mean...</title>
	<author>Advocadus Diaboli</author>
	<datestamp>1267799580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...giving them away for free of charge.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

SCNR</htmltext>
<tokenext>...giving them away for free of charge .
: - ) SCNR</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...giving them away for free of charge.
:-)

SCNR</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31371758</id>
	<title>Why people pirate DVDs</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1267808280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Geek.com has a somewhat-related article up today about why people pirate DVDs: <a href="http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/why-people-pirate-movies-20100219/" title="geek.com">http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/why-people-pirate-movies-20100219/</a> [geek.com]</p><p>Now I've never pirated a DVD* and wouldn't recommend it, but I sympathize with the reasoning.  Those preview screens are awful.  Especially the unskippable ones on Sesame Street DVDs that tell you how much good money given to Sesame Workshop does.  Hello?  I bought the DVD and my kid just wants to see Ernie, Grover and crew.  He doesn't care that "kids around the world are counting."  At least let me hit "Menu" to skip by your commercial and get to the show!</p><p>* Full disclosure: I have ripped my own DVDs but don't share them out nor do I download rips others have made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Geek.com has a somewhat-related article up today about why people pirate DVDs : http : //www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/why-people-pirate-movies-20100219/ [ geek.com ] Now I 've never pirated a DVD * and would n't recommend it , but I sympathize with the reasoning .
Those preview screens are awful .
Especially the unskippable ones on Sesame Street DVDs that tell you how much good money given to Sesame Workshop does .
Hello ? I bought the DVD and my kid just wants to see Ernie , Grover and crew .
He does n't care that " kids around the world are counting .
" At least let me hit " Menu " to skip by your commercial and get to the show !
* Full disclosure : I have ripped my own DVDs but do n't share them out nor do I download rips others have made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geek.com has a somewhat-related article up today about why people pirate DVDs: http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/why-people-pirate-movies-20100219/ [geek.com]Now I've never pirated a DVD* and wouldn't recommend it, but I sympathize with the reasoning.
Those preview screens are awful.
Especially the unskippable ones on Sesame Street DVDs that tell you how much good money given to Sesame Workshop does.
Hello?  I bought the DVD and my kid just wants to see Ernie, Grover and crew.
He doesn't care that "kids around the world are counting.
"  At least let me hit "Menu" to skip by your commercial and get to the show!
* Full disclosure: I have ripped my own DVDs but don't share them out nor do I download rips others have made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370944</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267804500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because DVD burners refuse to burn working CSS disks.  Although I would expect that cheap non-branded burners should be able to do it regardless of any licensing conditions to the contrary, just like cheap non-branded DVD players can ignore region coding with the right "cheat codes".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because DVD burners refuse to burn working CSS disks .
Although I would expect that cheap non-branded burners should be able to do it regardless of any licensing conditions to the contrary , just like cheap non-branded DVD players can ignore region coding with the right " cheat codes " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because DVD burners refuse to burn working CSS disks.
Although I would expect that cheap non-branded burners should be able to do it regardless of any licensing conditions to the contrary, just like cheap non-branded DVD players can ignore region coding with the right "cheat codes".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370578</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370230</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>loutr</author>
	<datestamp>1267800600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wasn't aware dd implemented DeCSS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was n't aware dd implemented DeCSS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wasn't aware dd implemented DeCSS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370148</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370208</id>
	<title>Remember fair use?</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1267800480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another trampling of fair use rights in the US. How long does the entertainment industry continue to get away with this? Seems like nobody can (will?) stop them doing anything they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another trampling of fair use rights in the US .
How long does the entertainment industry continue to get away with this ?
Seems like nobody can ( will ?
) stop them doing anything they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another trampling of fair use rights in the US.
How long does the entertainment industry continue to get away with this?
Seems like nobody can (will?
) stop them doing anything they want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31374138</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>Spykk</author>
	<datestamp>1267819500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That will still be encrypted. You should try something like <tt>dd if=/dev/dvd | emacs --decrypt-dvd --pop-popcorn --dim-lights &gt; dvd.mkv</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>That will still be encrypted .
You should try something like dd if = /dev/dvd | emacs --decrypt-dvd --pop-popcorn --dim-lights &gt; dvd.mkv</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That will still be encrypted.
You should try something like dd if=/dev/dvd | emacs --decrypt-dvd --pop-popcorn --dim-lights &gt; dvd.mkv</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370148</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370052</id>
	<title>Quick!</title>
	<author>bunkymag</author>
	<datestamp>1267799340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone start legal proceedings based on the untold damage and mental anguish caused to date by Realplayer!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone start legal proceedings based on the untold damage and mental anguish caused to date by Realplayer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone start legal proceedings based on the untold damage and mental anguish caused to date by Realplayer!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370220</id>
	<title>Re:Please, no!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267800540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Please Slashdot, don't make me decide whether I hate Hollywood or RealNetworks more!</p></div><p>How about you grow up and use rational analysis. This is not football. No need to "pick side" and hate "the other side".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please Slashdot , do n't make me decide whether I hate Hollywood or RealNetworks more ! How about you grow up and use rational analysis .
This is not football .
No need to " pick side " and hate " the other side " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please Slashdot, don't make me decide whether I hate Hollywood or RealNetworks more!How about you grow up and use rational analysis.
This is not football.
No need to "pick side" and hate "the other side".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370418</id>
	<title>Re:Please, no!</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1267801620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no point in hating RealNetworks, just use a competetitor. Hollywood, otoh, is a cartel that works in lockstep -- a virtual multicompany monopoly. You should hate them until there are more people doing "Star Wreck" type endeavors.</p><p>There's no reason to hate the RIAA, pity the poor fools instead. Their lunch is being eaten by the indies, and they blame "pirates" for their coming demise, trying to kill the indies' source of getting their music heard in the name of "piracy". All they're doing is hastening their own demise.</p><p>Corporate movie making is next. It won't be long before anybody with talent can make just as good or better movie than Hollywood in their PC, just as anybody with talent no longer needs a major record label to record and distribute music now.</p><p>Cheer the death of the dinasaurs. Say "no" to DRM and other foolish, self-defeating shenanigans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no point in hating RealNetworks , just use a competetitor .
Hollywood , otoh , is a cartel that works in lockstep -- a virtual multicompany monopoly .
You should hate them until there are more people doing " Star Wreck " type endeavors.There 's no reason to hate the RIAA , pity the poor fools instead .
Their lunch is being eaten by the indies , and they blame " pirates " for their coming demise , trying to kill the indies ' source of getting their music heard in the name of " piracy " .
All they 're doing is hastening their own demise.Corporate movie making is next .
It wo n't be long before anybody with talent can make just as good or better movie than Hollywood in their PC , just as anybody with talent no longer needs a major record label to record and distribute music now.Cheer the death of the dinasaurs .
Say " no " to DRM and other foolish , self-defeating shenanigans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no point in hating RealNetworks, just use a competetitor.
Hollywood, otoh, is a cartel that works in lockstep -- a virtual multicompany monopoly.
You should hate them until there are more people doing "Star Wreck" type endeavors.There's no reason to hate the RIAA, pity the poor fools instead.
Their lunch is being eaten by the indies, and they blame "pirates" for their coming demise, trying to kill the indies' source of getting their music heard in the name of "piracy".
All they're doing is hastening their own demise.Corporate movie making is next.
It won't be long before anybody with talent can make just as good or better movie than Hollywood in their PC, just as anybody with talent no longer needs a major record label to record and distribute music now.Cheer the death of the dinasaurs.
Say "no" to DRM and other foolish, self-defeating shenanigans.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370196</id>
	<title>Re:So that's ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267800360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>SlySoft is screwed because RealNetwork isn't going to "sell" RealDVD anymore, they will most likely give it away for free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>SlySoft is screwed because RealNetwork is n't going to " sell " RealDVD anymore , they will most likely give it away for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SlySoft is screwed because RealNetwork isn't going to "sell" RealDVD anymore, they will most likely give it away for free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370408</id>
	<title>Hollywood's doomed crusade continues</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267801560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When is someone going to pull the <a href="http://handbrake.fr/" title="handbrake.fr" rel="nofollow">Handbrake</a> [handbrake.fr] on this.</p><p>FOSS will have to be made illegal to this to work, which it won't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When is someone going to pull the Handbrake [ handbrake.fr ] on this.FOSS will have to be made illegal to this to work , which it wo n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When is someone going to pull the Handbrake [handbrake.fr] on this.FOSS will have to be made illegal to this to work, which it won't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31372060</id>
	<title>Hollywood has competitors too</title>
	<author>Mateo\_LeFou</author>
	<datestamp>1267809660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're called "everything else you could do with your time other than reward philistine pig-headed execs who crank out noncreative garbage"<br>I'm just sayin'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're called " everything else you could do with your time other than reward philistine pig-headed execs who crank out noncreative garbage " I 'm just sayin'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're called "everything else you could do with your time other than reward philistine pig-headed execs who crank out noncreative garbage"I'm just sayin'</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370662</id>
	<title>Re:Oh no, we're screwed!</title>
	<author>f0rk</author>
	<datestamp>1267803120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well if you weren't to busy trying to be clever for a first post, you would have understood that its not about JUST RealDVD, but rather the fact that the hollywood studios managed to kill RealDVD on potential piracy grounds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if you were n't to busy trying to be clever for a first post , you would have understood that its not about JUST RealDVD , but rather the fact that the hollywood studios managed to kill RealDVD on potential piracy grounds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if you weren't to busy trying to be clever for a first post, you would have understood that its not about JUST RealDVD, but rather the fact that the hollywood studios managed to kill RealDVD on potential piracy grounds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370030</id>
	<title>So that's ...</title>
	<author>sfritsche</author>
	<datestamp>1267799100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... one less competitor for <a href="http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html" title="slysoft.com" rel="nofollow">SlySoft</a> [slysoft.com]. They must be partying on Antiqua.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... one less competitor for SlySoft [ slysoft.com ] .
They must be partying on Antiqua .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... one less competitor for SlySoft [slysoft.com].
They must be partying on Antiqua.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31372048</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1267809660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will work, but you need to by authoring DVD-R's.  Unlike the consumer DVD-Rs, these don't have the CSS region pre-burnt.  They are intended for producing masters for sending off for duplication.  They are also a lot more expensive than the consumer ones.  Some burners may also refuse to write the CSS track.  </p><p>
I copied DVDs to my hard drive a lot with my old PowerBook using this technique.  The drive generated a lot of heat, so watching them from disk images was a lot more convenient.  Apple's DVD Player app would happily play back the images, as would VLC.  </p><p>
CSS prevents you from copying DVDs, it doesn't prevent you from copying movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will work , but you need to by authoring DVD-R 's .
Unlike the consumer DVD-Rs , these do n't have the CSS region pre-burnt .
They are intended for producing masters for sending off for duplication .
They are also a lot more expensive than the consumer ones .
Some burners may also refuse to write the CSS track .
I copied DVDs to my hard drive a lot with my old PowerBook using this technique .
The drive generated a lot of heat , so watching them from disk images was a lot more convenient .
Apple 's DVD Player app would happily play back the images , as would VLC .
CSS prevents you from copying DVDs , it does n't prevent you from copying movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will work, but you need to by authoring DVD-R's.
Unlike the consumer DVD-Rs, these don't have the CSS region pre-burnt.
They are intended for producing masters for sending off for duplication.
They are also a lot more expensive than the consumer ones.
Some burners may also refuse to write the CSS track.
I copied DVDs to my hard drive a lot with my old PowerBook using this technique.
The drive generated a lot of heat, so watching them from disk images was a lot more convenient.
Apple's DVD Player app would happily play back the images, as would VLC.
CSS prevents you from copying DVDs, it doesn't prevent you from copying movies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370578</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370102</id>
	<title>Please, no!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267799640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please Slashdot, don't make me decide whether I hate Hollywood or RealNetworks more!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please Slashdot , do n't make me decide whether I hate Hollywood or RealNetworks more !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please Slashdot, don't make me decide whether I hate Hollywood or RealNetworks more!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370148</id>
	<title>dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>migloo</author>
	<datestamp>1267800000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sue me now!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sue me now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sue me now!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370292</id>
	<title>Does anyone know...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1267801020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone know  that has RealDVD, if this software which has stopped being sold or maintained since 2008/9 still works<br>with todays new dvds (and encryptions). The reason why I ask, is if the way it copies is what is the most dangerous about this software<br>because no matter how you encrypt it the dvd will always be able to be copied, then I gotta get me one of those....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone know that has RealDVD , if this software which has stopped being sold or maintained since 2008/9 still workswith todays new dvds ( and encryptions ) .
The reason why I ask , is if the way it copies is what is the most dangerous about this softwarebecause no matter how you encrypt it the dvd will always be able to be copied , then I got ta get me one of those... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone know  that has RealDVD, if this software which has stopped being sold or maintained since 2008/9 still workswith todays new dvds (and encryptions).
The reason why I ask, is if the way it copies is what is the most dangerous about this softwarebecause no matter how you encrypt it the dvd will always be able to be copied, then I gotta get me one of those....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370382</id>
	<title>Re:So that's ...</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1267801440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>SlySoft is screwed because RealNetwork isn't going to "sell" RealDVD anymore, they will most likely give it away for free.</p></div><p>I doubt it matters. Slysoft's stuff is truly slick, and I don't think that Real offers anything like AnyDVD's shim driver for Windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SlySoft is screwed because RealNetwork is n't going to " sell " RealDVD anymore , they will most likely give it away for free.I doubt it matters .
Slysoft 's stuff is truly slick , and I do n't think that Real offers anything like AnyDVD 's shim driver for Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SlySoft is screwed because RealNetwork isn't going to "sell" RealDVD anymore, they will most likely give it away for free.I doubt it matters.
Slysoft's stuff is truly slick, and I don't think that Real offers anything like AnyDVD's shim driver for Windows.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370196</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31371884</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>Late Adopter</author>
	<datestamp>1267808820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It works fine for any player that breaks CSS, like VLC.  But for a licensed player you need the disc keys, which don't get ripped by dd.  So burning to a DVD-R becomes a little pointless unless you decrypt it first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It works fine for any player that breaks CSS , like VLC .
But for a licensed player you need the disc keys , which do n't get ripped by dd .
So burning to a DVD-R becomes a little pointless unless you decrypt it first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It works fine for any player that breaks CSS, like VLC.
But for a licensed player you need the disc keys, which don't get ripped by dd.
So burning to a DVD-R becomes a little pointless unless you decrypt it first.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370578</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370008</id>
	<title>Oh no, we're screwed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267798920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because there's no other way to possibly make copies of DVDs now that RealDVD is gone!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because there 's no other way to possibly make copies of DVDs now that RealDVD is gone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because there's no other way to possibly make copies of DVDs now that RealDVD is gone!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370300</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>funkatron</author>
	<datestamp>1267801080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hollywood cant sue you. You are a human and are therefore unrecognised as any form of legal entity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hollywood cant sue you .
You are a human and are therefore unrecognised as any form of legal entity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hollywood cant sue you.
You are a human and are therefore unrecognised as any form of legal entity.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370148</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370558</id>
	<title>Apple Disk Utility app</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267802400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For years OS X users have been duplication CDs and DVDs using Disk Utility on their Macs. Just make a disk image of the item then burn that disk image to a CD-R or DVD-R. You might have issues with DL disks. +R media works on some/many system too. Guess this means Apple will get sued next.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For years OS X users have been duplication CDs and DVDs using Disk Utility on their Macs .
Just make a disk image of the item then burn that disk image to a CD-R or DVD-R. You might have issues with DL disks .
+ R media works on some/many system too .
Guess this means Apple will get sued next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For years OS X users have been duplication CDs and DVDs using Disk Utility on their Macs.
Just make a disk image of the item then burn that disk image to a CD-R or DVD-R. You might have issues with DL disks.
+R media works on some/many system too.
Guess this means Apple will get sued next.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370728</id>
	<title>off what is this hey mann</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267803540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.gencgelisim.net/" title="gencgelisim.net" rel="nofollow">kiisel baar siteleri</a> [gencgelisim.net]
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<sentencetext>kiisel baar siteleri [gencgelisim.net]
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	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370284</id>
	<title>What is the tehnical issue here?</title>
	<author>frovingslosh</author>
	<datestamp>1267800960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I understand that DVDs include encryption, so programs like DeCSS are needed to extract watchable video from a DVD. But what is the technical problem keeping people from just copying DVDs to writable media to make copies? Is there some technical issue about the formatting of a video DVD that keeps normal copying software from copying DVDs on a block by block basis? And if there is, how did Real get past any limitations of consumer grade writers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand that DVDs include encryption , so programs like DeCSS are needed to extract watchable video from a DVD .
But what is the technical problem keeping people from just copying DVDs to writable media to make copies ?
Is there some technical issue about the formatting of a video DVD that keeps normal copying software from copying DVDs on a block by block basis ?
And if there is , how did Real get past any limitations of consumer grade writers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand that DVDs include encryption, so programs like DeCSS are needed to extract watchable video from a DVD.
But what is the technical problem keeping people from just copying DVDs to writable media to make copies?
Is there some technical issue about the formatting of a video DVD that keeps normal copying software from copying DVDs on a block by block basis?
And if there is, how did Real get past any limitations of consumer grade writers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31371764</id>
	<title>Re:Please, no!</title>
	<author>Unoti</author>
	<datestamp>1267808280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My hatred for RealNetworks defies rational analysis.  And with good reason: they fried my machines really hardcore with some of their intrusive can't-remove-this crap way back when, and I never got over the emotional anger.  They've cleaned up their ways since then, so I hear.  And they were a big part of what inspired me years ago to set myself up to where I can reformat a machine without much effort and zero loss, so some good has come out of it.</p><p>I do share some of GP's hatred for Real, and it was well earned and fairly rational.  My rational analysis is: they can bite me.  I know some of the people from Real though, and they're awesome.  Just saying I can't forgive rea networks for some things they did to my pc's in the 90's, or that I let them do when I wanted to play some sound and video and installed their stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My hatred for RealNetworks defies rational analysis .
And with good reason : they fried my machines really hardcore with some of their intrusive ca n't-remove-this crap way back when , and I never got over the emotional anger .
They 've cleaned up their ways since then , so I hear .
And they were a big part of what inspired me years ago to set myself up to where I can reformat a machine without much effort and zero loss , so some good has come out of it.I do share some of GP 's hatred for Real , and it was well earned and fairly rational .
My rational analysis is : they can bite me .
I know some of the people from Real though , and they 're awesome .
Just saying I ca n't forgive rea networks for some things they did to my pc 's in the 90 's , or that I let them do when I wanted to play some sound and video and installed their stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My hatred for RealNetworks defies rational analysis.
And with good reason: they fried my machines really hardcore with some of their intrusive can't-remove-this crap way back when, and I never got over the emotional anger.
They've cleaned up their ways since then, so I hear.
And they were a big part of what inspired me years ago to set myself up to where I can reformat a machine without much effort and zero loss, so some good has come out of it.I do share some of GP's hatred for Real, and it was well earned and fairly rational.
My rational analysis is: they can bite me.
I know some of the people from Real though, and they're awesome.
Just saying I can't forgive rea networks for some things they did to my pc's in the 90's, or that I let them do when I wanted to play some sound and video and installed their stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370220</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31369962</id>
	<title>Now, can someone just sue them for everything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267798500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they can stop selling anything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they can stop selling anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they can stop selling anything?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31371002</id>
	<title>Fuck you MPAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267804740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many Hulk, Spiderman, Superman, A-Team, Ghostbusters remakes will dumbasses allow them to make?  I'm out!  I quit.  No more of my money will be paid in support of unfunny, unoriginal content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many Hulk , Spiderman , Superman , A-Team , Ghostbusters remakes will dumbasses allow them to make ?
I 'm out !
I quit .
No more of my money will be paid in support of unfunny , unoriginal content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many Hulk, Spiderman, Superman, A-Team, Ghostbusters remakes will dumbasses allow them to make?
I'm out!
I quit.
No more of my money will be paid in support of unfunny, unoriginal content.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370122</id>
	<title>I can't believe this ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267799820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to agree with <a href="http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/wayne-brough/hollywood-tells-consumers-what-they-can-do-with-th?pcode=RN&amp;rsrc=vegas.litigation.page.null&amp;cpath=CNT" title="freedomworks.org">Freedomworks</a> [freedomworks.org] (the people who brought you teabaggers) on this. Foes can sometimes turn into friends while fighting a common enenmy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree with Freedomworks [ freedomworks.org ] ( the people who brought you teabaggers ) on this .
Foes can sometimes turn into friends while fighting a common enenmy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree with Freedomworks [freedomworks.org] (the people who brought you teabaggers) on this.
Foes can sometimes turn into friends while fighting a common enenmy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370426</id>
	<title>Re:So that's ...</title>
	<author>Rude Turnip</author>
	<datestamp>1267801680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd also like to recommend DVDFab Platinum.  It's very easy to use for the less tech-savvy and is kept up-to-date on a fairly consistent basis.  You can do bit for bit copies, compress DVDs or convert the movie to a variety of file formats, with presets for AppleTV, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd also like to recommend DVDFab Platinum .
It 's very easy to use for the less tech-savvy and is kept up-to-date on a fairly consistent basis .
You can do bit for bit copies , compress DVDs or convert the movie to a variety of file formats , with presets for AppleTV , Xbox 360 , Nintendo DS , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd also like to recommend DVDFab Platinum.
It's very easy to use for the less tech-savvy and is kept up-to-date on a fairly consistent basis.
You can do bit for bit copies, compress DVDs or convert the movie to a variety of file formats, with presets for AppleTV, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS, etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31373620</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267817220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you read some of the other posts around here, there is a key kept in a part of the disk not readable with dd.  (In fact it's outside the normal data area of the disk.)  Since you didn't copy that key, normal DVD players won't play the disk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read some of the other posts around here , there is a key kept in a part of the disk not readable with dd .
( In fact it 's outside the normal data area of the disk .
) Since you did n't copy that key , normal DVD players wo n't play the disk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read some of the other posts around here, there is a key kept in a part of the disk not readable with dd.
(In fact it's outside the normal data area of the disk.
)  Since you didn't copy that key, normal DVD players won't play the disk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370578</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370234</id>
	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>Polarina</author>
	<datestamp>1267800660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dd is an impractical tool for ripping many copy-protected DVDs as the discs have many bad sectors intentionally put on them that will make the ISO unusable and the ripping process taking a very long time.</p><p>I wouldn't expect any luck using dd for ripping copy-protected discs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dd is an impractical tool for ripping many copy-protected DVDs as the discs have many bad sectors intentionally put on them that will make the ISO unusable and the ripping process taking a very long time.I would n't expect any luck using dd for ripping copy-protected discs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dd is an impractical tool for ripping many copy-protected DVDs as the discs have many bad sectors intentionally put on them that will make the ISO unusable and the ripping process taking a very long time.I wouldn't expect any luck using dd for ripping copy-protected discs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370148</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31371142</id>
	<title>Re:Shit!</title>
	<author>JoeMerchant</author>
	<datestamp>1267805340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>4.5 million reasons - Real had the audacity to operate inside a jurisdiction that allows looting of profits in exchange for violations of the copyright law, their choice, their loss.  I'm curious how the whole picture with Real's finances looks, was $4.5M just a share of their profits, or is it a smackdown bankruptcy verdict that will never get paid in full?</htmltext>
<tokenext>4.5 million reasons - Real had the audacity to operate inside a jurisdiction that allows looting of profits in exchange for violations of the copyright law , their choice , their loss .
I 'm curious how the whole picture with Real 's finances looks , was $ 4.5M just a share of their profits , or is it a smackdown bankruptcy verdict that will never get paid in full ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4.5 million reasons - Real had the audacity to operate inside a jurisdiction that allows looting of profits in exchange for violations of the copyright law, their choice, their loss.
I'm curious how the whole picture with Real's finances looks, was $4.5M just a share of their profits, or is it a smackdown bankruptcy verdict that will never get paid in full?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370162</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31378178</id>
	<title>well..</title>
	<author>dpastern</author>
	<datestamp>1267804560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope realdvd has someone "hack" into their systems and steal the src code.  hahaha.  Would be nice to see this spreading around the world.</p><p>The easiest way for us to deal with the RIAA/MPAA/DMCA/corrupt US government is for *everyone* to start openly breaking this silly law.  I mean everyone.  Encourage children, parents, friends, family, everyone.  Openly break the law.  If 99.9\% of the population is openly breaking the law, then either the law is stupid, the people don't want the law (and the government is meant to server the people I might add, that's who elects them).  Are they seriously going to clog up the courts with millions and millions of people?  Are they seriously going to start taking legal action against people and risk rebellion?  Are they seriously going to start just murdering people who defy them?  I think not.  If everyone sticks together, these corrupt, filthy governments can be beaten.</p><p>I find the US political system a joke anyways.  The laughing stock of the world.</p><p>Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope realdvd has someone " hack " into their systems and steal the src code .
hahaha. Would be nice to see this spreading around the world.The easiest way for us to deal with the RIAA/MPAA/DMCA/corrupt US government is for * everyone * to start openly breaking this silly law .
I mean everyone .
Encourage children , parents , friends , family , everyone .
Openly break the law .
If 99.9 \ % of the population is openly breaking the law , then either the law is stupid , the people do n't want the law ( and the government is meant to server the people I might add , that 's who elects them ) .
Are they seriously going to clog up the courts with millions and millions of people ?
Are they seriously going to start taking legal action against people and risk rebellion ?
Are they seriously going to start just murdering people who defy them ?
I think not .
If everyone sticks together , these corrupt , filthy governments can be beaten.I find the US political system a joke anyways .
The laughing stock of the world.Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope realdvd has someone "hack" into their systems and steal the src code.
hahaha.  Would be nice to see this spreading around the world.The easiest way for us to deal with the RIAA/MPAA/DMCA/corrupt US government is for *everyone* to start openly breaking this silly law.
I mean everyone.
Encourage children, parents, friends, family, everyone.
Openly break the law.
If 99.9\% of the population is openly breaking the law, then either the law is stupid, the people don't want the law (and the government is meant to server the people I might add, that's who elects them).
Are they seriously going to clog up the courts with millions and millions of people?
Are they seriously going to start taking legal action against people and risk rebellion?
Are they seriously going to start just murdering people who defy them?
I think not.
If everyone sticks together, these corrupt, filthy governments can be beaten.I find the US political system a joke anyways.
The laughing stock of the world.Dave</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370162</id>
	<title>Shit!</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1267800120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now I'll have to go back to using Handbrake again, and miss out on RealDVD's actually-pretty-onerous-and-studio-friendly DRM features. I'm not sure how I'll manage using a free program that produces fully unencumbered versions after using quality commercial software from a trusted name like Real.<br> <br>


Seriously, though, what did they hope to accomplish by slapping Real down? Our Antiguan buddies at Slysoft are still up to their nefarious tricks, so it isn't as though smacking Real did much damage to the market for commercial DVD ripping products; and libdvdcss, VLC, et al. are still doing their thing and not at all hard to find on the OSS side.<br> <br>

So far as I can see, the moral of the story here is that if you try to offer a product that pleases customers while playing nice with studios(as Real did by offering ripping; but imposing restrictions on the rips) the studios will gut you and spit on your corpse; but if you just brazenly violate the restrictions, they'll be powerless to stop you. I'm pretty sure that that isn't the message that they really want to send.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I 'll have to go back to using Handbrake again , and miss out on RealDVD 's actually-pretty-onerous-and-studio-friendly DRM features .
I 'm not sure how I 'll manage using a free program that produces fully unencumbered versions after using quality commercial software from a trusted name like Real .
Seriously , though , what did they hope to accomplish by slapping Real down ?
Our Antiguan buddies at Slysoft are still up to their nefarious tricks , so it is n't as though smacking Real did much damage to the market for commercial DVD ripping products ; and libdvdcss , VLC , et al .
are still doing their thing and not at all hard to find on the OSS side .
So far as I can see , the moral of the story here is that if you try to offer a product that pleases customers while playing nice with studios ( as Real did by offering ripping ; but imposing restrictions on the rips ) the studios will gut you and spit on your corpse ; but if you just brazenly violate the restrictions , they 'll be powerless to stop you .
I 'm pretty sure that that is n't the message that they really want to send .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I'll have to go back to using Handbrake again, and miss out on RealDVD's actually-pretty-onerous-and-studio-friendly DRM features.
I'm not sure how I'll manage using a free program that produces fully unencumbered versions after using quality commercial software from a trusted name like Real.
Seriously, though, what did they hope to accomplish by slapping Real down?
Our Antiguan buddies at Slysoft are still up to their nefarious tricks, so it isn't as though smacking Real did much damage to the market for commercial DVD ripping products; and libdvdcss, VLC, et al.
are still doing their thing and not at all hard to find on the OSS side.
So far as I can see, the moral of the story here is that if you try to offer a product that pleases customers while playing nice with studios(as Real did by offering ripping; but imposing restrictions on the rips) the studios will gut you and spit on your corpse; but if you just brazenly violate the restrictions, they'll be powerless to stop you.
I'm pretty sure that that isn't the message that they really want to send.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Real is great</title>
	<author>operagost</author>
	<datestamp>1267782360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to comment on this, but... ---BUFFERING---</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to comment on this , but... ---BUFFERING---</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to comment on this, but... ---BUFFERING---</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_061244.31370328</id>
	<title>Re:I can't believe this ...</title>
	<author>garg0yle</author>
	<datestamp>1267801200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20041231.html" title="schlockmercenary.com">Rule 29</a> [schlockmercenary.com] applies here:</p><p>The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy.  No more, no less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rule 29 [ schlockmercenary.com ] applies here : The enemy of my enemy is my enemy 's enemy .
No more , no less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rule 29 [schlockmercenary.com] applies here:The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy.
No more, no less.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267802460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Do you have any source to back up these claims ? They seem highly dubious to me. If you can copy the DVD to your HD this way, what would stop you from burning the ISO to a DVD-R ?And in this case, what would be the point of CSS if you could copy the disk using a standard unix command and an ISO-burning utility ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have any source to back up these claims ?
They seem highly dubious to me .
If you can copy the DVD to your HD this way , what would stop you from burning the ISO to a DVD-R ? And in this case , what would be the point of CSS if you could copy the disk using a standard unix command and an ISO-burning utility ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have any source to back up these claims ?
They seem highly dubious to me.
If you can copy the DVD to your HD this way, what would stop you from burning the ISO to a DVD-R ?And in this case, what would be the point of CSS if you could copy the disk using a standard unix command and an ISO-burning utility ?</sentencetext>
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