<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_05_0253253</id>
	<title>China's Human Flesh Search Engine</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267779960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The NY Times has an interesting article about Human-flesh search engines &mdash; renrou sousuo yinqing &mdash; that have become a phenomenon in China: they are a form of online vigilante justice in which <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html">Internet users hunt down and punish people who have attracted their wrath</a>. The goal is to get the targets of a search fired from their jobs, shamed in front of their neighbors, or run out of town. It's crowd-sourced detective work, pursued online &mdash; with offline results. 'In the United States, traditional media are still playing the key role in setting the agenda for the public,' says Jin Liwen. 'But in China, you will see that a lot of hot topics, hot news or events actually originate from online discussions.' In one well known case, when a video appeared in China of a woman stomping a cat to death with the sharp point of her high heel, <a href="http://opium.poppies.org/index.php?showtopic=11954">the human flesh search engine tracked the kitten killer's home to the town of Luobei</a> in Heilongjiang Province, in the far northeast, and her name &mdash; Wang Jiao &mdash; was made public, as were her phone number and her employer.  'Wang Jiao was affected a lot,' says one Luobei resident. 'She left town and went somewhere else.' The kitten-killer case didn't just provide revenge; it helped turn the human-flesh search engine into a national phenomenon. Searches have also been directed against cheating spouses, corrupt government officials, amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The NY Times has an interesting article about Human-flesh search engines    renrou sousuo yinqing    that have become a phenomenon in China : they are a form of online vigilante justice in which Internet users hunt down and punish people who have attracted their wrath .
The goal is to get the targets of a search fired from their jobs , shamed in front of their neighbors , or run out of town .
It 's crowd-sourced detective work , pursued online    with offline results .
'In the United States , traditional media are still playing the key role in setting the agenda for the public, ' says Jin Liwen .
'But in China , you will see that a lot of hot topics , hot news or events actually originate from online discussions .
' In one well known case , when a video appeared in China of a woman stomping a cat to death with the sharp point of her high heel , the human flesh search engine tracked the kitten killer 's home to the town of Luobei in Heilongjiang Province , in the far northeast , and her name    Wang Jiao    was made public , as were her phone number and her employer .
'Wang Jiao was affected a lot, ' says one Luobei resident .
'She left town and went somewhere else .
' The kitten-killer case did n't just provide revenge ; it helped turn the human-flesh search engine into a national phenomenon .
Searches have also been directed against cheating spouses , corrupt government officials , amateur pornography makers , Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic , journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times has an interesting article about Human-flesh search engines — renrou sousuo yinqing — that have become a phenomenon in China: they are a form of online vigilante justice in which Internet users hunt down and punish people who have attracted their wrath.
The goal is to get the targets of a search fired from their jobs, shamed in front of their neighbors, or run out of town.
It's crowd-sourced detective work, pursued online — with offline results.
'In the United States, traditional media are still playing the key role in setting the agenda for the public,' says Jin Liwen.
'But in China, you will see that a lot of hot topics, hot news or events actually originate from online discussions.
' In one well known case, when a video appeared in China of a woman stomping a cat to death with the sharp point of her high heel, the human flesh search engine tracked the kitten killer's home to the town of Luobei in Heilongjiang Province, in the far northeast, and her name — Wang Jiao — was made public, as were her phone number and her employer.
'Wang Jiao was affected a lot,' says one Luobei resident.
'She left town and went somewhere else.
' The kitten-killer case didn't just provide revenge; it helped turn the human-flesh search engine into a national phenomenon.
Searches have also been directed against cheating spouses, corrupt government officials, amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370880</id>
	<title>Westerners cyber-bully for "morality" too</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1267804200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen several cases of Western-world organized cyber-bullying that were "morally justified" in the eyes of the bullies.</p><p>For better or for worse, our newspapers do a good, er, I mean effective job of shaming most public figures that need to adjust their behavior.  When they don't, such as small-town public figures who are buddy-buddy with the local papers/Fourth Estate, you see online and offline whisper and not-so-whisper harassment and shaming campaigns.  Some are more effective than others.</p><p>You also see "name and shame" campaigns when someone or some group's values are different than the 4th estate, such as campaigns to "out" quietly-gay politicians and other public figures in circles where it will matter.</p><p>There are also "name and shame" campaigns for people who have offensive-to-someone/some-group views - pro-choice, anti-abortion, pro-recreational-drug-use, anti-recreational-drug-use, too-liberal, too-conservative, etc.  There are also similar campaigns for people who have past criminal or ethical lapses, with the idea that anyone who would trust anyone who has a history of \_\_insert\_crime\_or\_ethical\_lapse\_here\_\_ is either stupid or himself immoral.</p><p>You also see it routinely in adolescents, but you can blame much of that on the lack of maturity of the cyber-bully adolescents.</p><p>Most of these are small, localized, and don't have much effect.  Some are offline, some are online, some are both.</p><p>In the case of criminal-history and poor-money-management histories though, these are institutionalized in the form of criminal-background-check, sex-offender, and credit-history databases.  You also see people's political leanings made public in voter-registration or primary-election-voting records, which are generally public.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen several cases of Western-world organized cyber-bullying that were " morally justified " in the eyes of the bullies.For better or for worse , our newspapers do a good , er , I mean effective job of shaming most public figures that need to adjust their behavior .
When they do n't , such as small-town public figures who are buddy-buddy with the local papers/Fourth Estate , you see online and offline whisper and not-so-whisper harassment and shaming campaigns .
Some are more effective than others.You also see " name and shame " campaigns when someone or some group 's values are different than the 4th estate , such as campaigns to " out " quietly-gay politicians and other public figures in circles where it will matter.There are also " name and shame " campaigns for people who have offensive-to-someone/some-group views - pro-choice , anti-abortion , pro-recreational-drug-use , anti-recreational-drug-use , too-liberal , too-conservative , etc .
There are also similar campaigns for people who have past criminal or ethical lapses , with the idea that anyone who would trust anyone who has a history of \ _ \ _insert \ _crime \ _or \ _ethical \ _lapse \ _here \ _ \ _ is either stupid or himself immoral.You also see it routinely in adolescents , but you can blame much of that on the lack of maturity of the cyber-bully adolescents.Most of these are small , localized , and do n't have much effect .
Some are offline , some are online , some are both.In the case of criminal-history and poor-money-management histories though , these are institutionalized in the form of criminal-background-check , sex-offender , and credit-history databases .
You also see people 's political leanings made public in voter-registration or primary-election-voting records , which are generally public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen several cases of Western-world organized cyber-bullying that were "morally justified" in the eyes of the bullies.For better or for worse, our newspapers do a good, er, I mean effective job of shaming most public figures that need to adjust their behavior.
When they don't, such as small-town public figures who are buddy-buddy with the local papers/Fourth Estate, you see online and offline whisper and not-so-whisper harassment and shaming campaigns.
Some are more effective than others.You also see "name and shame" campaigns when someone or some group's values are different than the 4th estate, such as campaigns to "out" quietly-gay politicians and other public figures in circles where it will matter.There are also "name and shame" campaigns for people who have offensive-to-someone/some-group views - pro-choice, anti-abortion, pro-recreational-drug-use, anti-recreational-drug-use, too-liberal, too-conservative, etc.
There are also similar campaigns for people who have past criminal or ethical lapses, with the idea that anyone who would trust anyone who has a history of \_\_insert\_crime\_or\_ethical\_lapse\_here\_\_ is either stupid or himself immoral.You also see it routinely in adolescents, but you can blame much of that on the lack of maturity of the cyber-bully adolescents.Most of these are small, localized, and don't have much effect.
Some are offline, some are online, some are both.In the case of criminal-history and poor-money-management histories though, these are institutionalized in the form of criminal-background-check, sex-offender, and credit-history databases.
You also see people's political leanings made public in voter-registration or primary-election-voting records, which are generally public.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369164</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>elFisico</author>
	<datestamp>1267789380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that those "judges" remain anonymous. I concurr that 100 people stepping out and publically stating "My name ist such-and-such, I am fully convinced that this evidence is real, is not faked and thus the accused is guilty and I accept the full consequences if my judgement is wrong" would be superior to most jury-trials. But this doesn't happen, therefore that anonymous finger-pointing is wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that those " judges " remain anonymous .
I concurr that 100 people stepping out and publically stating " My name ist such-and-such , I am fully convinced that this evidence is real , is not faked and thus the accused is guilty and I accept the full consequences if my judgement is wrong " would be superior to most jury-trials .
But this does n't happen , therefore that anonymous finger-pointing is wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that those "judges" remain anonymous.
I concurr that 100 people stepping out and publically stating "My name ist such-and-such, I am fully convinced that this evidence is real, is not faked and thus the accused is guilty and I accept the full consequences if my judgement is wrong" would be superior to most jury-trials.
But this doesn't happen, therefore that anonymous finger-pointing is wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368994</id>
	<title>It's not just in China</title>
	<author>Dexter Herbivore</author>
	<datestamp>1267787280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's been similar cases in the Western world too. Not to the same extent, but it has happened. This is our future, where privacy has gone the way of cavemen and dinosaurs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's been similar cases in the Western world too .
Not to the same extent , but it has happened .
This is our future , where privacy has gone the way of cavemen and dinosaurs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's been similar cases in the Western world too.
Not to the same extent, but it has happened.
This is our future, where privacy has gone the way of cavemen and dinosaurs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368780</id>
	<title>God bless America</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267784340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least over here the internet mob justice is willing to affirm that it's not anyone's personal army.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least over here the internet mob justice is willing to affirm that it 's not anyone 's personal army .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least over here the internet mob justice is willing to affirm that it's not anyone's personal army.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369994</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>CalcuttaWala</author>
	<datestamp>1267798860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> violates a basic human right.</p></div><p>do people in China really care about human rights ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>violates a basic human right.do people in China really care about human rights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> violates a basic human right.do people in China really care about human rights ?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370132</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1267799880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do people always have to trot out 1984?  Is that the only book people around here have read or something?  There are plenty of real-life examples, ranging from the Inquisition (still unsuspected), the Salem Witch Trials, HUAC, Joe McCarthy... all that and I didn't even have to Godwin the thread.<br><br>There really needs to be an Orwell Corollary to the Godwin Law, because deserved or not, the references are really getting out of hand lately.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do people always have to trot out 1984 ?
Is that the only book people around here have read or something ?
There are plenty of real-life examples , ranging from the Inquisition ( still unsuspected ) , the Salem Witch Trials , HUAC , Joe McCarthy... all that and I did n't even have to Godwin the thread.There really needs to be an Orwell Corollary to the Godwin Law , because deserved or not , the references are really getting out of hand lately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do people always have to trot out 1984?
Is that the only book people around here have read or something?
There are plenty of real-life examples, ranging from the Inquisition (still unsuspected), the Salem Witch Trials, HUAC, Joe McCarthy... all that and I didn't even have to Godwin the thread.There really needs to be an Orwell Corollary to the Godwin Law, because deserved or not, the references are really getting out of hand lately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369236</id>
	<title>This is ancient</title>
	<author>cruachan</author>
	<datestamp>1267790100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing new in concept here, although the implementation is updated<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-), The Chinese have been using similar systems of group responsibility as far back as the Qin dynasty (200BC or so).  Bao Jia is a later (~1000AD) derivation that might be considered related to what's going on here too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baojia\_system)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing new in concept here , although the implementation is updated : - ) , The Chinese have been using similar systems of group responsibility as far back as the Qin dynasty ( 200BC or so ) .
Bao Jia is a later ( ~ 1000AD ) derivation that might be considered related to what 's going on here too ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baojia \ _system )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing new in concept here, although the implementation is updated :-), The Chinese have been using similar systems of group responsibility as far back as the Qin dynasty (200BC or so).
Bao Jia is a later (~1000AD) derivation that might be considered related to what's going on here too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baojia\_system)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31375420</id>
	<title>Re:dude</title>
	<author>Xaositecte</author>
	<datestamp>1267782720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What?  Our orwellian Overlords have BEARS now?!  Shit, we're fucked now!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
Our orwellian Overlords have BEARS now ? !
Shit , we 're fucked now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
Our orwellian Overlords have BEARS now?!
Shit, we're fucked now!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369660</id>
	<title>Re:not really</title>
	<author>coaxial</author>
	<datestamp>1267795620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>sounds pretty anti-authoritarian-mob justice to me...</p></div><p>or authoritarian mob justice</p><p><div class="quote"><p>totalitarian states usually want the monopoly on exacting punishments.</p></div><p>Clearly you've never heard of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Basij</a> [wikipedia.org], or any of the many other "patriotic" volunteer groups.  When you have groups brought up in your ideology, whatever that ideology is, you're going to have large segments of that society (the conservative segments that is) to support that ideology because their natural tendency to support the status quo, support the hierarchy, support the nation, (i.e. patriotism and the fear of the other)</p><p>Actually this sounds quite a bit like, Texas's own,<a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35896\_The\_Texas\_Taliban" title="littlegreenfootballs.com" rel="nofollow">Repent Amarillo</a> [littlegreenfootballs.com] (A self described, "Army of God," or in Arabic "Hezbollah.")</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>sounds pretty anti-authoritarian-mob justice to me...or authoritarian mob justicetotalitarian states usually want the monopoly on exacting punishments.Clearly you 've never heard of the Basij [ wikipedia.org ] , or any of the many other " patriotic " volunteer groups .
When you have groups brought up in your ideology , whatever that ideology is , you 're going to have large segments of that society ( the conservative segments that is ) to support that ideology because their natural tendency to support the status quo , support the hierarchy , support the nation , ( i.e .
patriotism and the fear of the other ) Actually this sounds quite a bit like , Texas 's own,Repent Amarillo [ littlegreenfootballs.com ] ( A self described , " Army of God , " or in Arabic " Hezbollah .
" )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sounds pretty anti-authoritarian-mob justice to me...or authoritarian mob justicetotalitarian states usually want the monopoly on exacting punishments.Clearly you've never heard of the Basij [wikipedia.org], or any of the many other "patriotic" volunteer groups.
When you have groups brought up in your ideology, whatever that ideology is, you're going to have large segments of that society (the conservative segments that is) to support that ideology because their natural tendency to support the status quo, support the hierarchy, support the nation, (i.e.
patriotism and the fear of the other)Actually this sounds quite a bit like, Texas's own,Repent Amarillo [littlegreenfootballs.com] (A self described, "Army of God," or in Arabic "Hezbollah.
")
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369002</id>
	<title>It's called a lynch mob....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267787340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and it's nothing new, even if the tools and techniques are modern.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and it 's nothing new , even if the tools and techniques are modern .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and it's nothing new, even if the tools and techniques are modern.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368838</id>
	<title>not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267785360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sounds pretty anti-authoritarian-mob justice to me...</p><p>totalitarian states usually want the monopoly on exacting punishments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sounds pretty anti-authoritarian-mob justice to me...totalitarian states usually want the monopoly on exacting punishments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sounds pretty anti-authoritarian-mob justice to me...totalitarian states usually want the monopoly on exacting punishments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368802</id>
	<title>This reminds me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267784880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...of the find-a-person sites common on the US Internet around 10 years ago. They were frequently promoted with banner ads and I tried one of their free trials once to find an astonishing amount of info on someone close to me (address, car and mortgage info).</p><p>I wonder if we have any here that connect an online ID with a person's name?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...of the find-a-person sites common on the US Internet around 10 years ago .
They were frequently promoted with banner ads and I tried one of their free trials once to find an astonishing amount of info on someone close to me ( address , car and mortgage info ) .I wonder if we have any here that connect an online ID with a person 's name ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...of the find-a-person sites common on the US Internet around 10 years ago.
They were frequently promoted with banner ads and I tried one of their free trials once to find an astonishing amount of info on someone close to me (address, car and mortgage info).I wonder if we have any here that connect an online ID with a person's name?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368878</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>tarscher</author>
	<datestamp>1267785960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>Searches have also been directed against amateur pornography makers</em> <br>

This thing should be banned immediately</htmltext>
<tokenext>Searches have also been directed against amateur pornography makers This thing should be banned immediately</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Searches have also been directed against amateur pornography makers 

This thing should be banned immediately</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369270</id>
	<title>Proof of concept</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267790820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not convinced with this lady stomping on kittens story. Can we test this search engine further with Lord Mandelson's photo?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not convinced with this lady stomping on kittens story .
Can we test this search engine further with Lord Mandelson 's photo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not convinced with this lady stomping on kittens story.
Can we test this search engine further with Lord Mandelson's photo?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369024</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>damburger</author>
	<datestamp>1267787520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not exactly. This appears not to be an action of the Chinese government but of its citizens. The attacks on 'unpatriotic' people are probably unintended side-effects of government propaganda, just as right-wing 'patriots' in the US killing people is an unintended side-effect of Fox News. I think you can be damn sure the Chinese government has no desire to kick off another cultural revolution.</p><p>This just makes it more scary in a way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not exactly .
This appears not to be an action of the Chinese government but of its citizens .
The attacks on 'unpatriotic ' people are probably unintended side-effects of government propaganda , just as right-wing 'patriots ' in the US killing people is an unintended side-effect of Fox News .
I think you can be damn sure the Chinese government has no desire to kick off another cultural revolution.This just makes it more scary in a way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not exactly.
This appears not to be an action of the Chinese government but of its citizens.
The attacks on 'unpatriotic' people are probably unintended side-effects of government propaganda, just as right-wing 'patriots' in the US killing people is an unintended side-effect of Fox News.
I think you can be damn sure the Chinese government has no desire to kick off another cultural revolution.This just makes it more scary in a way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370352</id>
	<title>The lure of a well-written title.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267801320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'fess up, who here clicked because it said "flesh search engine" and mentioned naughty Chinese women and their kitties?</p><p>Yeah, I knew it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'fess up , who here clicked because it said " flesh search engine " and mentioned naughty Chinese women and their kitties ? Yeah , I knew it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'fess up, who here clicked because it said "flesh search engine" and mentioned naughty Chinese women and their kitties?Yeah, I knew it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368968</id>
	<title>It happens in the US, too.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267787040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After local newspapers wrote <a href="http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Self-described\_wolf\_woman\_severed\_lost\_dogs\_head.html" title="mysanantonio.com" rel="nofollow">self-described wolf woman severed a lost dog's head</a> [mysanantonio.com], a US-based human flesh search engine posted <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Shadow" title="encycloped...matica.com" rel="nofollow">IM logs, IRC logs, and phone calls</a> [encycloped...matica.com] with the suspects about the incident along with the <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Shadow#People\_Directly\_Involved" title="encycloped...matica.com" rel="nofollow">suspects' personal information</a> [encycloped...matica.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After local newspapers wrote self-described wolf woman severed a lost dog 's head [ mysanantonio.com ] , a US-based human flesh search engine posted IM logs , IRC logs , and phone calls [ encycloped...matica.com ] with the suspects about the incident along with the suspects ' personal information [ encycloped...matica.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After local newspapers wrote self-described wolf woman severed a lost dog's head [mysanantonio.com], a US-based human flesh search engine posted IM logs, IRC logs, and phone calls [encycloped...matica.com] with the suspects about the incident along with the suspects' personal information [encycloped...matica.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369440</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>SplinterOfChaos</author>
	<datestamp>1267792980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are people being punished for thinking things, and only thinking, or kicking cats to death? Thought crime is more: i thought of masturbating and got arrested an hour before i was able to get home and commit the crime. <br> <br>

I don't really think it's fair to put this form of totalitarianism, and the one we see in this story together as one. What scares me about this story is not thought crime, but privacy. And isn't this possible in the states, too? And to some degree, don't we already do shit like this in the states, too?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are people being punished for thinking things , and only thinking , or kicking cats to death ?
Thought crime is more : i thought of masturbating and got arrested an hour before i was able to get home and commit the crime .
I do n't really think it 's fair to put this form of totalitarianism , and the one we see in this story together as one .
What scares me about this story is not thought crime , but privacy .
And is n't this possible in the states , too ?
And to some degree , do n't we already do shit like this in the states , too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are people being punished for thinking things, and only thinking, or kicking cats to death?
Thought crime is more: i thought of masturbating and got arrested an hour before i was able to get home and commit the crime.
I don't really think it's fair to put this form of totalitarianism, and the one we see in this story together as one.
What scares me about this story is not thought crime, but privacy.
And isn't this possible in the states, too?
And to some degree, don't we already do shit like this in the states, too?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369014</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>dnwq</author>
	<datestamp>1267787460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a reminder that China is totalitarianism because its people prefer it that way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a reminder that China is totalitarianism because its people prefer it that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a reminder that China is totalitarianism because its people prefer it that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369268</id>
	<title>What a selective quote</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1267790820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Odd that you just happen to leave out the corrupt goverment employees being hunted. Showing that this is a citizens effort, not a government one.
</p><p>In the west, we the people just let the bankers get away with the hardship they caused. Like in Iceland. Not one of the bankers has been arrested.
</p><p>No, this has nothing to do with dicatorship. And americans love this idea, it is the basis of the superhero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Odd that you just happen to leave out the corrupt goverment employees being hunted .
Showing that this is a citizens effort , not a government one .
In the west , we the people just let the bankers get away with the hardship they caused .
Like in Iceland .
Not one of the bankers has been arrested .
No , this has nothing to do with dicatorship .
And americans love this idea , it is the basis of the superhero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Odd that you just happen to leave out the corrupt goverment employees being hunted.
Showing that this is a citizens effort, not a government one.
In the west, we the people just let the bankers get away with the hardship they caused.
Like in Iceland.
Not one of the bankers has been arrested.
No, this has nothing to do with dicatorship.
And americans love this idea, it is the basis of the superhero.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370624</id>
	<title>Re:The Human Flesh Search Engine</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1267802760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I prefer the term "bullying by non-minors" or "adult in name only bullying."</p><p>If you are bullying, you aren't acting like an adult.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I prefer the term " bullying by non-minors " or " adult in name only bullying .
" If you are bullying , you are n't acting like an adult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I prefer the term "bullying by non-minors" or "adult in name only bullying.
"If you are bullying, you aren't acting like an adult.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369320</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370588</id>
	<title>It's been done in the U.S.</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1267802520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They give an example of a woman who posted a video of animal cruelty in China and how people on the Internet tracked her down and posted her information. In the U.S. a boy posted a video anonymously of him torturing a dog. People on the Internet spread the word and within 24 hours the poster had been identified and was being charged by the local DA. His name and information was also posted on the Internet. So, this isn't unique to China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They give an example of a woman who posted a video of animal cruelty in China and how people on the Internet tracked her down and posted her information .
In the U.S. a boy posted a video anonymously of him torturing a dog .
People on the Internet spread the word and within 24 hours the poster had been identified and was being charged by the local DA .
His name and information was also posted on the Internet .
So , this is n't unique to China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They give an example of a woman who posted a video of animal cruelty in China and how people on the Internet tracked her down and posted her information.
In the U.S. a boy posted a video anonymously of him torturing a dog.
People on the Internet spread the word and within 24 hours the poster had been identified and was being charged by the local DA.
His name and information was also posted on the Internet.
So, this isn't unique to China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371618</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>uncledrax</author>
	<datestamp>1267807680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, this isn't the state doing it.. it's people.. and it doesn't require a totalitarian state.. it could happen anywhere where there is a large crowd of bored people (aka; internet users.. it's ok.. i'm one of them).</p><p>Between the recent wave of location-aware apps and privacy concerns of places like Facebook, this will only get more common. Next thing you know we'll have people just jumping others they don't like (race,creed, sexuality preferences, so on) and other <a href="http://pleaserobme.com/" title="pleaserobme.com">commiting location-aware crimes</a> [pleaserobme.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , this is n't the state doing it.. it 's people.. and it does n't require a totalitarian state.. it could happen anywhere where there is a large crowd of bored people ( aka ; internet users.. it 's ok.. i 'm one of them ) .Between the recent wave of location-aware apps and privacy concerns of places like Facebook , this will only get more common .
Next thing you know we 'll have people just jumping others they do n't like ( race,creed , sexuality preferences , so on ) and other commiting location-aware crimes [ pleaserobme.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, this isn't the state doing it.. it's people.. and it doesn't require a totalitarian state.. it could happen anywhere where there is a large crowd of bored people (aka; internet users.. it's ok.. i'm one of them).Between the recent wave of location-aware apps and privacy concerns of places like Facebook, this will only get more common.
Next thing you know we'll have people just jumping others they don't like (race,creed, sexuality preferences, so on) and other commiting location-aware crimes [pleaserobme.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31375598</id>
	<title>The Tibet Supporters need Stephanie Meyer</title>
	<author>billstewart</author>
	<datestamp>1267783680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/591/" title="xkcd.com">Ob. XKCD reference</a> [xkcd.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ob .
XKCD reference [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ob.
XKCD reference [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368778</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368982</id>
	<title>Oblig. Simpsons</title>
	<author>VincentFreeman</author>
	<datestamp>1267787160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Skinner: Oh, there's no justice like angry-mob justice.</p><p>Lenny: I'm gonna burn all the historic memorabilia.</p><p>Moe: I'm gonna take me home a toilet.</p><p>Willy: Well, there'd better be two.</p><p>http://www.snpp.com/episodes/4F06.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Skinner : Oh , there 's no justice like angry-mob justice.Lenny : I 'm gon na burn all the historic memorabilia.Moe : I 'm gon na take me home a toilet.Willy : Well , there 'd better be two.http : //www.snpp.com/episodes/4F06.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Skinner: Oh, there's no justice like angry-mob justice.Lenny: I'm gonna burn all the historic memorabilia.Moe: I'm gonna take me home a toilet.Willy: Well, there'd better be two.http://www.snpp.com/episodes/4F06.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368810</id>
	<title>But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>elFisico</author>
	<datestamp>1267784940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the public might be a good detective, it certainly is a bad judge. Given the current technology (need I say photoshop?) a picture or a video can be faked by e.g. a malicious stalker who is after destroying a persons reputation. Posting the results of such a witch hunt without the accused having the possibility to respond to the accusation and defend hirself violates a basic human right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the public might be a good detective , it certainly is a bad judge .
Given the current technology ( need I say photoshop ?
) a picture or a video can be faked by e.g .
a malicious stalker who is after destroying a persons reputation .
Posting the results of such a witch hunt without the accused having the possibility to respond to the accusation and defend hirself violates a basic human right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the public might be a good detective, it certainly is a bad judge.
Given the current technology (need I say photoshop?
) a picture or a video can be faked by e.g.
a malicious stalker who is after destroying a persons reputation.
Posting the results of such a witch hunt without the accused having the possibility to respond to the accusation and defend hirself violates a basic human right.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368922</id>
	<title>modern mass gathering</title>
	<author>Krokz</author>
	<datestamp>1267786440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It looks to me like modern mass gathering. We all know what a charismatic leader and with a few pugilistic punch lines can do to the mass mob.

You are innocent until proven guilty and this is a one sided witch hunt and strongly against peoples right to privacy. It is a good thing in some cases, but bad in most.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks to me like modern mass gathering .
We all know what a charismatic leader and with a few pugilistic punch lines can do to the mass mob .
You are innocent until proven guilty and this is a one sided witch hunt and strongly against peoples right to privacy .
It is a good thing in some cases , but bad in most .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks to me like modern mass gathering.
We all know what a charismatic leader and with a few pugilistic punch lines can do to the mass mob.
You are innocent until proven guilty and this is a one sided witch hunt and strongly against peoples right to privacy.
It is a good thing in some cases, but bad in most.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371608</id>
	<title>Good and bad</title>
	<author>Improv</author>
	<datestamp>1267807620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is only as good or bad as the people whose morality is enforced.</p><p>Stomping a cat to death with high heels - I'd probably do a lot more than run someone out of town for that... pornography, I'd do nothing whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is only as good or bad as the people whose morality is enforced.Stomping a cat to death with high heels - I 'd probably do a lot more than run someone out of town for that... pornography , I 'd do nothing whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is only as good or bad as the people whose morality is enforced.Stomping a cat to death with high heels - I'd probably do a lot more than run someone out of town for that... pornography, I'd do nothing whatsoever.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31383612</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1267870980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it is probably more a symptom of citizens not feeling that the authorities are willing to address their concerns and priorities. When policing is weak or when it fails to address the real concerns of the people (in favor of either the police's own or the state's agenda), vigilante justice becomes the norm.</p><p>That clear simple cause and effect can be confounded when propaganda comes into play, but it is still at the root of this.</p><p>Of course, in the west I'm not so sure the cultural paranoia over child molesters isn't just a bit of propaganda menat to keep the population from looking too closely while their elected officials sell the country to the highest bidder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is probably more a symptom of citizens not feeling that the authorities are willing to address their concerns and priorities .
When policing is weak or when it fails to address the real concerns of the people ( in favor of either the police 's own or the state 's agenda ) , vigilante justice becomes the norm.That clear simple cause and effect can be confounded when propaganda comes into play , but it is still at the root of this.Of course , in the west I 'm not so sure the cultural paranoia over child molesters is n't just a bit of propaganda menat to keep the population from looking too closely while their elected officials sell the country to the highest bidder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is probably more a symptom of citizens not feeling that the authorities are willing to address their concerns and priorities.
When policing is weak or when it fails to address the real concerns of the people (in favor of either the police's own or the state's agenda), vigilante justice becomes the norm.That clear simple cause and effect can be confounded when propaganda comes into play, but it is still at the root of this.Of course, in the west I'm not so sure the cultural paranoia over child molesters isn't just a bit of propaganda menat to keep the population from looking too closely while their elected officials sell the country to the highest bidder.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369346</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1267791600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where in the article does it say that the government official was taking the girl to a bathroom? The person who dubbed the video <i>assumed</i> that he was doing this, though the staff at the restaurant thought different. Section reprinted below:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>THE PLUM GARDEN Seafood Restaurant stands on a six-lane road that cuts through Shenzhen, a fishing village turned factory boomtown. It has a subterranean dining room with hundreds of orange-covered seats, an open kitchen to one side and a warren of small private rooms to the other. Late on a Friday night in October 2008, a security camera captured a scene that was soon replayed all over the Chinese Internet and sparked a human-flesh search against a government official.</p><p>In the video clip, an older man crosses the background with a little girl. Later the girl runs back through the frame and returns with her father, mother and brother. The subtitles tell us that the old man had tried to force the girl into the men&rsquo;s room, presumably to molest her, and that her father is trying to find the man who did that. Then the girl&rsquo;s father appears in front of the camera, arguing with that man.</p><p>There is no sound on the video, so you have to rely on the Chinese subtitles, which seem to have been posted with the video. According to those subtitles, the older man tells the father of the girl: &ldquo;I did it, so what? How much money do you want? Name your price.&rdquo; He gestures violently and continues: &ldquo;Do you know who I am? I am from the Ministry of Transportation in Beijing. I have the same level as the mayor of your city. So what if I grabbed the neck of a small child? If you dare challenge me, just wait and see how I will deal with you.&rdquo; He moves to leave but is blocked by restaurant employees and the girl&rsquo;s father. The group exits frame left.</p><p>...</p><p>While Netizens saw this as a struggle between an arrogant official and a victimized family of common people, the staff members at Plum Garden, when I spoke to them, had a different take. First, they weren&rsquo;t sure that Lin had been trying to molest the girl. Perhaps, they thought, he was just drunk. The floor director, Zhang Cai Yao, told me, &ldquo;Maybe the government official just patted the girl on the head and tried to say, &lsquo;Thank you, you&rsquo;re a nice girl.&rsquo; &rdquo; Zhang saw the struggle between Lin and the family as a kind of conflict she witnessed all too often. &ldquo;It was a fight between rich people and officials,&rdquo; she says. &ldquo;The official said something irritating to her parents, who are very rich.&rdquo;</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where in the article does it say that the government official was taking the girl to a bathroom ?
The person who dubbed the video assumed that he was doing this , though the staff at the restaurant thought different .
Section reprinted below : THE PLUM GARDEN Seafood Restaurant stands on a six-lane road that cuts through Shenzhen , a fishing village turned factory boomtown .
It has a subterranean dining room with hundreds of orange-covered seats , an open kitchen to one side and a warren of small private rooms to the other .
Late on a Friday night in October 2008 , a security camera captured a scene that was soon replayed all over the Chinese Internet and sparked a human-flesh search against a government official.In the video clip , an older man crosses the background with a little girl .
Later the girl runs back through the frame and returns with her father , mother and brother .
The subtitles tell us that the old man had tried to force the girl into the men    s room , presumably to molest her , and that her father is trying to find the man who did that .
Then the girl    s father appears in front of the camera , arguing with that man.There is no sound on the video , so you have to rely on the Chinese subtitles , which seem to have been posted with the video .
According to those subtitles , the older man tells the father of the girl :    I did it , so what ?
How much money do you want ?
Name your price.    He gestures violently and continues :    Do you know who I am ?
I am from the Ministry of Transportation in Beijing .
I have the same level as the mayor of your city .
So what if I grabbed the neck of a small child ?
If you dare challenge me , just wait and see how I will deal with you.    He moves to leave but is blocked by restaurant employees and the girl    s father .
The group exits frame left....While Netizens saw this as a struggle between an arrogant official and a victimized family of common people , the staff members at Plum Garden , when I spoke to them , had a different take .
First , they weren    t sure that Lin had been trying to molest the girl .
Perhaps , they thought , he was just drunk .
The floor director , Zhang Cai Yao , told me ,    Maybe the government official just patted the girl on the head and tried to say ,    Thank you , you    re a nice girl.       Zhang saw the struggle between Lin and the family as a kind of conflict she witnessed all too often .
   It was a fight between rich people and officials ,    she says .
   The official said something irritating to her parents , who are very rich.   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where in the article does it say that the government official was taking the girl to a bathroom?
The person who dubbed the video assumed that he was doing this, though the staff at the restaurant thought different.
Section reprinted below:THE PLUM GARDEN Seafood Restaurant stands on a six-lane road that cuts through Shenzhen, a fishing village turned factory boomtown.
It has a subterranean dining room with hundreds of orange-covered seats, an open kitchen to one side and a warren of small private rooms to the other.
Late on a Friday night in October 2008, a security camera captured a scene that was soon replayed all over the Chinese Internet and sparked a human-flesh search against a government official.In the video clip, an older man crosses the background with a little girl.
Later the girl runs back through the frame and returns with her father, mother and brother.
The subtitles tell us that the old man had tried to force the girl into the men’s room, presumably to molest her, and that her father is trying to find the man who did that.
Then the girl’s father appears in front of the camera, arguing with that man.There is no sound on the video, so you have to rely on the Chinese subtitles, which seem to have been posted with the video.
According to those subtitles, the older man tells the father of the girl: “I did it, so what?
How much money do you want?
Name your price.” He gestures violently and continues: “Do you know who I am?
I am from the Ministry of Transportation in Beijing.
I have the same level as the mayor of your city.
So what if I grabbed the neck of a small child?
If you dare challenge me, just wait and see how I will deal with you.” He moves to leave but is blocked by restaurant employees and the girl’s father.
The group exits frame left....While Netizens saw this as a struggle between an arrogant official and a victimized family of common people, the staff members at Plum Garden, when I spoke to them, had a different take.
First, they weren’t sure that Lin had been trying to molest the girl.
Perhaps, they thought, he was just drunk.
The floor director, Zhang Cai Yao, told me, “Maybe the government official just patted the girl on the head and tried to say, ‘Thank you, you’re a nice girl.’ ” Zhang saw the struggle between Lin and the family as a kind of conflict she witnessed all too often.
“It was a fight between rich people and officials,” she says.
“The official said something irritating to her parents, who are very rich.”
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371180</id>
	<title>In "defence" of the confused pedo-hunters...</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1267805640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"the pediatrician assaulted by confused pedophile hunters"</p><p>1) All pediatricians should love children.  Those who don't are in the wrong career.<br>2) if you read the etymology of the word "pedophile" before its commonly accepted definition, it's easy to get confused if you don't have/don't use a brain.<br>3) Vigilantes typically don't have/don't use their brain.</p><p>As valuable as Megan's-law lists can be when they are limited to ex-cons who are still a danger to society (e.g. your "very high risk" sex offenders and equivalent-risk violent-, financial-, DUI-, and other- offenders), a list of very-dangerous-vigilante-predators would be far more useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the pediatrician assaulted by confused pedophile hunters " 1 ) All pediatricians should love children .
Those who do n't are in the wrong career.2 ) if you read the etymology of the word " pedophile " before its commonly accepted definition , it 's easy to get confused if you do n't have/do n't use a brain.3 ) Vigilantes typically do n't have/do n't use their brain.As valuable as Megan 's-law lists can be when they are limited to ex-cons who are still a danger to society ( e.g .
your " very high risk " sex offenders and equivalent-risk violent- , financial- , DUI- , and other- offenders ) , a list of very-dangerous-vigilante-predators would be far more useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the pediatrician assaulted by confused pedophile hunters"1) All pediatricians should love children.
Those who don't are in the wrong career.2) if you read the etymology of the word "pedophile" before its commonly accepted definition, it's easy to get confused if you don't have/don't use a brain.3) Vigilantes typically don't have/don't use their brain.As valuable as Megan's-law lists can be when they are limited to ex-cons who are still a danger to society (e.g.
your "very high risk" sex offenders and equivalent-risk violent-, financial-, DUI-, and other- offenders), a list of very-dangerous-vigilante-predators would be far more useful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371620</id>
	<title>Re:Example of usage by Chinese ultranationalists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267807680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, such anger! It's not like she said she was ashamed Bush was from Texas or anything! Geez!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , such anger !
It 's not like she said she was ashamed Bush was from Texas or anything !
Geez !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, such anger!
It's not like she said she was ashamed Bush was from Texas or anything!
Geez!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368912</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1267786380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems more like those lynch mobs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems more like those lynch mobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems more like those lynch mobs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371300</id>
	<title>Its something good. Get over it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267806120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and cut hypocritical elitist crap like 'mob justice' and so on. this is direct democracy at work : people brought the case into the light, people provided evidence for it, people judged it, people executed the judgment. this is the way democracy was supposed to be.</p><p>but instead of this, we have 'representatives of the representatives of the representatives to the power of n' system in politics. you elect someone who has been able to secure enough funds and connections to get into public through privately owned media channels, s/he gives some promises to you on some broad issues. then the person goes on, and creates laws and rules with 200 or so of similar other people who were elected, WITHOUT ASKING anything to public. rarely does any public reaction invoked by people can change the nature of laws.</p><p>so basically, there is no democracy. there isnt representative democracy either, because the representative you elect does not represent you in any respect. </p><p>in the end, we end up living under rules and laws that are made by a group of elected few, who were elite enough to have necessary private social connections. this is what we call 'establishment'. you cant influence establishment, cant change their mind, cant force them to do anything. they are basically little different than aristocracies of old.</p><p>but on the other hand there is that 4chan and this china phenomenon. these ARE people. these are 'the people' which is mentioned in 'we, the people'. you can call out to them, you can plead with them, and you can change their mind. leave that aside, public consciousness is something that constantly evolves, even if noone does do anything to that extent. it WILL get better over time, just as it got better gradually starting from late 1600s until modern age.</p><p>instead of ridiculing or despising, you all should be supporting it and trying to find ways to better it, for it is the true form of democracy that is to be. the people, but this time, directly by the people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and cut hypocritical elitist crap like 'mob justice ' and so on .
this is direct democracy at work : people brought the case into the light , people provided evidence for it , people judged it , people executed the judgment .
this is the way democracy was supposed to be.but instead of this , we have 'representatives of the representatives of the representatives to the power of n ' system in politics .
you elect someone who has been able to secure enough funds and connections to get into public through privately owned media channels , s/he gives some promises to you on some broad issues .
then the person goes on , and creates laws and rules with 200 or so of similar other people who were elected , WITHOUT ASKING anything to public .
rarely does any public reaction invoked by people can change the nature of laws.so basically , there is no democracy .
there isnt representative democracy either , because the representative you elect does not represent you in any respect .
in the end , we end up living under rules and laws that are made by a group of elected few , who were elite enough to have necessary private social connections .
this is what we call 'establishment' .
you cant influence establishment , cant change their mind , cant force them to do anything .
they are basically little different than aristocracies of old.but on the other hand there is that 4chan and this china phenomenon .
these ARE people .
these are 'the people ' which is mentioned in 'we , the people' .
you can call out to them , you can plead with them , and you can change their mind .
leave that aside , public consciousness is something that constantly evolves , even if noone does do anything to that extent .
it WILL get better over time , just as it got better gradually starting from late 1600s until modern age.instead of ridiculing or despising , you all should be supporting it and trying to find ways to better it , for it is the true form of democracy that is to be .
the people , but this time , directly by the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and cut hypocritical elitist crap like 'mob justice' and so on.
this is direct democracy at work : people brought the case into the light, people provided evidence for it, people judged it, people executed the judgment.
this is the way democracy was supposed to be.but instead of this, we have 'representatives of the representatives of the representatives to the power of n' system in politics.
you elect someone who has been able to secure enough funds and connections to get into public through privately owned media channels, s/he gives some promises to you on some broad issues.
then the person goes on, and creates laws and rules with 200 or so of similar other people who were elected, WITHOUT ASKING anything to public.
rarely does any public reaction invoked by people can change the nature of laws.so basically, there is no democracy.
there isnt representative democracy either, because the representative you elect does not represent you in any respect.
in the end, we end up living under rules and laws that are made by a group of elected few, who were elite enough to have necessary private social connections.
this is what we call 'establishment'.
you cant influence establishment, cant change their mind, cant force them to do anything.
they are basically little different than aristocracies of old.but on the other hand there is that 4chan and this china phenomenon.
these ARE people.
these are 'the people' which is mentioned in 'we, the people'.
you can call out to them, you can plead with them, and you can change their mind.
leave that aside, public consciousness is something that constantly evolves, even if noone does do anything to that extent.
it WILL get better over time, just as it got better gradually starting from late 1600s until modern age.instead of ridiculing or despising, you all should be supporting it and trying to find ways to better it, for it is the true form of democracy that is to be.
the people, but this time, directly by the people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369816</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>quadrox</author>
	<datestamp>1267797180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry, but personally I don't think it's a terribly good example, for several reasons.</p><p>1) First of all, I myself think that chinabounders behaviour is in bad taste. Now I wouldn't go after him in any way, but It doesn't exactly make me feel sympathetic towards him either.<br>2) He put it online himself. He basically told the entire world what he was doing, knowing fully well that somebody could take an issue with it. The internet is not your safe haven where you can do anything you like without consequences, at least not if you don't even attempt to remain anonymous. (ok, I don't know the details of this case, but that is what it sounds like to me).</p><p>Of course it is still wrong for the witch hunters to do anything *illegal* to chinabounder - but if he tells the entire world what he is doing, he should not be surprised if somebody gets offended and "retaliates" in a *legal* manner.</p><p>If the witch hunters do illegal things (aka crime), then that is not a problem with the idea of a witch hunt, but those criminal persons need to be jailed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , but personally I do n't think it 's a terribly good example , for several reasons.1 ) First of all , I myself think that chinabounders behaviour is in bad taste .
Now I would n't go after him in any way , but It does n't exactly make me feel sympathetic towards him either.2 ) He put it online himself .
He basically told the entire world what he was doing , knowing fully well that somebody could take an issue with it .
The internet is not your safe haven where you can do anything you like without consequences , at least not if you do n't even attempt to remain anonymous .
( ok , I do n't know the details of this case , but that is what it sounds like to me ) .Of course it is still wrong for the witch hunters to do anything * illegal * to chinabounder - but if he tells the entire world what he is doing , he should not be surprised if somebody gets offended and " retaliates " in a * legal * manner.If the witch hunters do illegal things ( aka crime ) , then that is not a problem with the idea of a witch hunt , but those criminal persons need to be jailed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, but personally I don't think it's a terribly good example, for several reasons.1) First of all, I myself think that chinabounders behaviour is in bad taste.
Now I wouldn't go after him in any way, but It doesn't exactly make me feel sympathetic towards him either.2) He put it online himself.
He basically told the entire world what he was doing, knowing fully well that somebody could take an issue with it.
The internet is not your safe haven where you can do anything you like without consequences, at least not if you don't even attempt to remain anonymous.
(ok, I don't know the details of this case, but that is what it sounds like to me).Of course it is still wrong for the witch hunters to do anything *illegal* to chinabounder - but if he tells the entire world what he is doing, he should not be surprised if somebody gets offended and "retaliates" in a *legal* manner.If the witch hunters do illegal things (aka crime), then that is not a problem with the idea of a witch hunt, but those criminal persons need to be jailed.</sentencetext>
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	<title>dude</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1267794600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i know the moronic big brother meme is popular here, but when you are confusing top down control with bottom up vigiliantism, you've truly destroyed all sense of credibility with this completely intellectually bankrupt idea</p><p>the 1984 meme has gotten to the point where "something bad happened in society" (--insert creative reasoning--) "therefore, we are becoming orwellian"</p><p>folks: orwell wrote a pleasant fiction a long time ago. it was good criticism of totalitarian societies at the time. like: ussr. not democracies (you know, governments accountable to voters?) like the uk or the usa. (also reference "animal farm")</p><p>so it made its way into a lot of high school reading curricula as a tool, ostensibly, about the dangers of totalitarian states. but in some amazing turn around, according to some sort of high school stoner logic, mixed with a lot of pink floyd i suppose, it became a critique in people's minds of the democracies they lived in</p><p>whu?</p><p>1984 bears no relation to reality in modern democracies. repeat: 1984, orwell, big brother bearsa NO RELATION to reality unless you live in an autocracy. please stop confusing science fiction with reality in western societies</p><p>if anything, this sort of vigilantism in this story is proof of LITTLE brother: for example, rodney king. that you are "oppressed" by your fellow citizens with cell phone cameras. and in fact, the STATE is hemmed in and hamstrung by citizens with cameras (a la rodney king). how does that fact jive with orwell's fiction?</p><p>1984, orwell, big brother: it would all make sense if the state had a monopoly on technological advance. it doesn't. as such, 1984, orwell, big brother: failed, dead meme, useless way of thinking about your world. please get over your fanboy reasoning. your braindead. stop citing orwell and 1984. it is NOT instructive as to the real world you live in unless you are in a GENUINELY authoritarian state. and even then, such as this story, its not even totally the case! just look at iran and twitter too</p><p>STOP CITING ORWELL PEOPLE PLEASE. IT FAILS</p><p>thanks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i know the moronic big brother meme is popular here , but when you are confusing top down control with bottom up vigiliantism , you 've truly destroyed all sense of credibility with this completely intellectually bankrupt ideathe 1984 meme has gotten to the point where " something bad happened in society " ( --insert creative reasoning-- ) " therefore , we are becoming orwellian " folks : orwell wrote a pleasant fiction a long time ago .
it was good criticism of totalitarian societies at the time .
like : ussr .
not democracies ( you know , governments accountable to voters ?
) like the uk or the usa .
( also reference " animal farm " ) so it made its way into a lot of high school reading curricula as a tool , ostensibly , about the dangers of totalitarian states .
but in some amazing turn around , according to some sort of high school stoner logic , mixed with a lot of pink floyd i suppose , it became a critique in people 's minds of the democracies they lived inwhu ? 1984 bears no relation to reality in modern democracies .
repeat : 1984 , orwell , big brother bearsa NO RELATION to reality unless you live in an autocracy .
please stop confusing science fiction with reality in western societiesif anything , this sort of vigilantism in this story is proof of LITTLE brother : for example , rodney king .
that you are " oppressed " by your fellow citizens with cell phone cameras .
and in fact , the STATE is hemmed in and hamstrung by citizens with cameras ( a la rodney king ) .
how does that fact jive with orwell 's fiction ? 1984 , orwell , big brother : it would all make sense if the state had a monopoly on technological advance .
it does n't .
as such , 1984 , orwell , big brother : failed , dead meme , useless way of thinking about your world .
please get over your fanboy reasoning .
your braindead .
stop citing orwell and 1984. it is NOT instructive as to the real world you live in unless you are in a GENUINELY authoritarian state .
and even then , such as this story , its not even totally the case !
just look at iran and twitter tooSTOP CITING ORWELL PEOPLE PLEASE .
IT FAILSthanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i know the moronic big brother meme is popular here, but when you are confusing top down control with bottom up vigiliantism, you've truly destroyed all sense of credibility with this completely intellectually bankrupt ideathe 1984 meme has gotten to the point where "something bad happened in society" (--insert creative reasoning--) "therefore, we are becoming orwellian"folks: orwell wrote a pleasant fiction a long time ago.
it was good criticism of totalitarian societies at the time.
like: ussr.
not democracies (you know, governments accountable to voters?
) like the uk or the usa.
(also reference "animal farm")so it made its way into a lot of high school reading curricula as a tool, ostensibly, about the dangers of totalitarian states.
but in some amazing turn around, according to some sort of high school stoner logic, mixed with a lot of pink floyd i suppose, it became a critique in people's minds of the democracies they lived inwhu?1984 bears no relation to reality in modern democracies.
repeat: 1984, orwell, big brother bearsa NO RELATION to reality unless you live in an autocracy.
please stop confusing science fiction with reality in western societiesif anything, this sort of vigilantism in this story is proof of LITTLE brother: for example, rodney king.
that you are "oppressed" by your fellow citizens with cell phone cameras.
and in fact, the STATE is hemmed in and hamstrung by citizens with cameras (a la rodney king).
how does that fact jive with orwell's fiction?1984, orwell, big brother: it would all make sense if the state had a monopoly on technological advance.
it doesn't.
as such, 1984, orwell, big brother: failed, dead meme, useless way of thinking about your world.
please get over your fanboy reasoning.
your braindead.
stop citing orwell and 1984. it is NOT instructive as to the real world you live in unless you are in a GENUINELY authoritarian state.
and even then, such as this story, its not even totally the case!
just look at iran and twitter tooSTOP CITING ORWELL PEOPLE PLEASE.
IT FAILSthanks</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371336</id>
	<title>the slashcrowd in action</title>
	<author>serbanp</author>
	<datestamp>1267806360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from forums.puppies.org: "93 User(s) are reading this topic (93 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)".</p><p>And it's still early...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from forums.puppies.org : " 93 User ( s ) are reading this topic ( 93 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users ) " .And it 's still early.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from forums.puppies.org: "93 User(s) are reading this topic (93 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)".And it's still early...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368944</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267786740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go on discussing things you fools! What has to happen has to happen...and so these discussions...so why do I call you fool. Coz you thing world should work as you think...and what you think is right...NO! Same applies to me...just pass your time discussing! Ha ha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go on discussing things you fools !
What has to happen has to happen...and so these discussions...so why do I call you fool .
Coz you thing world should work as you think...and what you think is right...NO !
Same applies to me...just pass your time discussing !
Ha ha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go on discussing things you fools!
What has to happen has to happen...and so these discussions...so why do I call you fool.
Coz you thing world should work as you think...and what you think is right...NO!
Same applies to me...just pass your time discussing!
Ha ha</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370088</id>
	<title>Re:4Chan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267799580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you know: 4chan is a derivative of Futaba, which is a derivative of 2ch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you know : 4chan is a derivative of Futaba , which is a derivative of 2ch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you know: 4chan is a derivative of Futaba, which is a derivative of 2ch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369354</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1267791780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;While the public might be a good detective, it certainly is a bad judge.</p><p>Indeed. The whole Chinabounder fiasco is a good example of how witch hunts can go bad.</p><p>Essentially, Chinaboundder (an English guy) kept a blog about the Chinese women he slept with (all of age, consensual, etc.) A Chinese professor called out a witch hunt on him (I guess what the OP is calling a flesh search engine) and he had to go into hiding.</p><p>Because in China, you see, you don't talk about the women you sleep with. It's perfectly fine to have a mistress. You just don't talk about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; While the public might be a good detective , it certainly is a bad judge.Indeed .
The whole Chinabounder fiasco is a good example of how witch hunts can go bad.Essentially , Chinaboundder ( an English guy ) kept a blog about the Chinese women he slept with ( all of age , consensual , etc .
) A Chinese professor called out a witch hunt on him ( I guess what the OP is calling a flesh search engine ) and he had to go into hiding.Because in China , you see , you do n't talk about the women you sleep with .
It 's perfectly fine to have a mistress .
You just do n't talk about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;While the public might be a good detective, it certainly is a bad judge.Indeed.
The whole Chinabounder fiasco is a good example of how witch hunts can go bad.Essentially, Chinaboundder (an English guy) kept a blog about the Chinese women he slept with (all of age, consensual, etc.
) A Chinese professor called out a witch hunt on him (I guess what the OP is calling a flesh search engine) and he had to go into hiding.Because in China, you see, you don't talk about the women you sleep with.
It's perfectly fine to have a mistress.
You just don't talk about it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370974</id>
	<title>Re:The Human Flesh Search Engine</title>
	<author>kj\_kabaje</author>
	<datestamp>1267804680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is it bullying when the "authorities" aren't doing their job?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it bullying when the " authorities " are n't doing their job ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it bullying when the "authorities" aren't doing their job?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368870</id>
	<title>How is this unique to China?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267785720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've been doing this in the USA (and Europe) for at least a decade now.  Almost every time a video of animal abuse appears online, people track down the person, contact their employer, drive by their house, threaten and abuse...</p><p>What about this story makes it unique about China and not just pointing and saying "look at those silly yellow fascists"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been doing this in the USA ( and Europe ) for at least a decade now .
Almost every time a video of animal abuse appears online , people track down the person , contact their employer , drive by their house , threaten and abuse...What about this story makes it unique about China and not just pointing and saying " look at those silly yellow fascists " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've been doing this in the USA (and Europe) for at least a decade now.
Almost every time a video of animal abuse appears online, people track down the person, contact their employer, drive by their house, threaten and abuse...What about this story makes it unique about China and not just pointing and saying "look at those silly yellow fascists"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368934</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>fastest fascist</author>
	<datestamp>1267786500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, because surely everyone involved in these incidents takes the time to fully and fairly evaluate all the sides to the story as well as what would constitute a measured response. I mean, that's how mobs work, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because surely everyone involved in these incidents takes the time to fully and fairly evaluate all the sides to the story as well as what would constitute a measured response .
I mean , that 's how mobs work , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because surely everyone involved in these incidents takes the time to fully and fairly evaluate all the sides to the story as well as what would constitute a measured response.
I mean, that's how mobs work, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369616</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267795260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly why someone should put a picture of Mao on it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly why someone should put a picture of Mao on it .
: o )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly why someone should put a picture of Mao on it.
:o)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369926</id>
	<title>bubbchuck</title>
	<author>bubbchuck</author>
	<datestamp>1267798200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this is excellent</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is excellent</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is excellent</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31372364</id>
	<title>Re:The Human Flesh Search Engine</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1267811100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that, 'Mature,' adjective that you slapped on there may be a stretch. It's just plain bullying, same as grade school</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that , 'Mature, ' adjective that you slapped on there may be a stretch .
It 's just plain bullying , same as grade school</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that, 'Mature,' adjective that you slapped on there may be a stretch.
It's just plain bullying, same as grade school</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369320</id>
	<title>Re:The Human Flesh Search Engine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267791360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean "adult bullying". There's no such thing as mature bullying.</p><p>Personally, I'm dubious that there's any such thing as "mature".</p><p>Unless we're talking about cheese, of course.  Mmmmmmm, mature Cheddar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean " adult bullying " .
There 's no such thing as mature bullying.Personally , I 'm dubious that there 's any such thing as " mature " .Unless we 're talking about cheese , of course .
Mmmmmmm , mature Cheddar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean "adult bullying".
There's no such thing as mature bullying.Personally, I'm dubious that there's any such thing as "mature".Unless we're talking about cheese, of course.
Mmmmmmm, mature Cheddar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368928</id>
	<title>Cultural Revolution 2.0</title>
	<author>dflock</author>
	<datestamp>1267786500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great - the Cultural Revolution 2.0 - along with vigilantism, denouncements &amp; public humiliation. Awesome, just what everyone needed; yay China. Sigh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great - the Cultural Revolution 2.0 - along with vigilantism , denouncements &amp; public humiliation .
Awesome , just what everyone needed ; yay China .
Sigh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great - the Cultural Revolution 2.0 - along with vigilantism, denouncements &amp; public humiliation.
Awesome, just what everyone needed; yay China.
Sigh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369638</id>
	<title>Could apply to others...</title>
	<author>GNUPublicLicense</author>
	<datestamp>1267795440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... for instance, those who code systems, or supervise the developement, of all the naugthy and dangerous systems for internet control...</htmltext>
<tokenext>... for instance , those who code systems , or supervise the developement , of all the naugthy and dangerous systems for internet control.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... for instance, those who code systems, or supervise the developement, of all the naugthy and dangerous systems for internet control...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370020</id>
	<title>Dear China, Can you help?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267799040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have some bankers to lookup; the feathers are ready and the tar's warming nicely...
Thanks,
The West</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have some bankers to lookup ; the feathers are ready and the tar 's warming nicely.. . Thanks , The West</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have some bankers to lookup; the feathers are ready and the tar's warming nicely...
Thanks,
The West</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370034</id>
	<title>Re:dude</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1267799160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>1984</i> can be seen as a valid comment on the worst abuses of power by Stalin, however it had just as little to do with post-Stalin USSR as with "democratic" Western countries. American propaganda latched onto it as a valid description of all designated enemies of their nation, regardless of any relationship to reality.</p><p>The truth is, any society where norms and traditions are incompatible with your own ones will look oppressive to you. So if you are an ignoramus, and believe that only your society's idiosyncrasies are "natural", you would believe that government control somehow extends to all aspects of society because sure as hell, people would never act in such a manner if it didn't.</p><p>There are no totalitarian societies -- they are not at any greater extent "totalitarian" than your own one. Get off your high horse and admit that you are raised as a bunch of disgusting xenophobes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1984 can be seen as a valid comment on the worst abuses of power by Stalin , however it had just as little to do with post-Stalin USSR as with " democratic " Western countries .
American propaganda latched onto it as a valid description of all designated enemies of their nation , regardless of any relationship to reality.The truth is , any society where norms and traditions are incompatible with your own ones will look oppressive to you .
So if you are an ignoramus , and believe that only your society 's idiosyncrasies are " natural " , you would believe that government control somehow extends to all aspects of society because sure as hell , people would never act in such a manner if it did n't.There are no totalitarian societies -- they are not at any greater extent " totalitarian " than your own one .
Get off your high horse and admit that you are raised as a bunch of disgusting xenophobes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1984 can be seen as a valid comment on the worst abuses of power by Stalin, however it had just as little to do with post-Stalin USSR as with "democratic" Western countries.
American propaganda latched onto it as a valid description of all designated enemies of their nation, regardless of any relationship to reality.The truth is, any society where norms and traditions are incompatible with your own ones will look oppressive to you.
So if you are an ignoramus, and believe that only your society's idiosyncrasies are "natural", you would believe that government control somehow extends to all aspects of society because sure as hell, people would never act in such a manner if it didn't.There are no totalitarian societies -- they are not at any greater extent "totalitarian" than your own one.
Get off your high horse and admit that you are raised as a bunch of disgusting xenophobes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370658</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1267803060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's for the moment ignore the question of why someone would stomp a cat to death with high heels, gloss right over the question of why someone would <i>film themselves</i> stomping a cat to death with high heels, and head right into the most salient question:</p><p>Why would someone who filmed themselves stomping a cat to death with high heels put the video on the web?</p><p>Seriously, WTF is going through these people's heads. What did she think was going to happen? "YouTube.cn Featured Video of the Day!" or something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's for the moment ignore the question of why someone would stomp a cat to death with high heels , gloss right over the question of why someone would film themselves stomping a cat to death with high heels , and head right into the most salient question : Why would someone who filmed themselves stomping a cat to death with high heels put the video on the web ? Seriously , WTF is going through these people 's heads .
What did she think was going to happen ?
" YouTube.cn Featured Video of the Day !
" or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's for the moment ignore the question of why someone would stomp a cat to death with high heels, gloss right over the question of why someone would film themselves stomping a cat to death with high heels, and head right into the most salient question:Why would someone who filmed themselves stomping a cat to death with high heels put the video on the web?Seriously, WTF is going through these people's heads.
What did she think was going to happen?
"YouTube.cn Featured Video of the Day!
" or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370848</id>
	<title>Re:dude</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1267804020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say that 1984 is a valid comparison for what Sovjet Russia was under Stalin and what North Korea is today.</p><p>But I totally agree with you that the comparison it is overused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say that 1984 is a valid comparison for what Sovjet Russia was under Stalin and what North Korea is today.But I totally agree with you that the comparison it is overused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say that 1984 is a valid comparison for what Sovjet Russia was under Stalin and what North Korea is today.But I totally agree with you that the comparison it is overused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369204</id>
	<title>Crowd sourced political executions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267789740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now instead of crushing people with tanks and being internationally embarrassed<br>they can use a bunch of sock-puppet bloggers to go out and incite a mob against<br>anyone they like... sweet!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now instead of crushing people with tanks and being internationally embarrassedthey can use a bunch of sock-puppet bloggers to go out and incite a mob againstanyone they like... sweet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now instead of crushing people with tanks and being internationally embarrassedthey can use a bunch of sock-puppet bloggers to go out and incite a mob againstanyone they like... sweet!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371070</id>
	<title>Topix</title>
	<author>CmdrPorno</author>
	<datestamp>1267805040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone who still believes in the myth of southern hospitality needs to visit the Topix message board for any town, large or small, in the south.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who still believes in the myth of southern hospitality needs to visit the Topix message board for any town , large or small , in the south .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who still believes in the myth of southern hospitality needs to visit the Topix message board for any town, large or small, in the south.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31372442</id>
	<title>Re:Its something good. Get over it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267811640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and cut hypocritical elitist crap like 'mob justice' and so on. this is direct democracy at work : people brought the case into the light, people provided evidence for it, people judged it, people executed the judgment. this is the way democracy was supposed to be.</p></div><p>It's only the way it is supposed to be if the people in question truly represent the opinion of the majority, rather than self-appointing themselves as such. Since it would seem that people here are really mostly younglings hanging out on Internet forums, they cannot reasonably claim to represent a majority, by far.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and cut hypocritical elitist crap like 'mob justice ' and so on .
this is direct democracy at work : people brought the case into the light , people provided evidence for it , people judged it , people executed the judgment .
this is the way democracy was supposed to be.It 's only the way it is supposed to be if the people in question truly represent the opinion of the majority , rather than self-appointing themselves as such .
Since it would seem that people here are really mostly younglings hanging out on Internet forums , they can not reasonably claim to represent a majority , by far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and cut hypocritical elitist crap like 'mob justice' and so on.
this is direct democracy at work : people brought the case into the light, people provided evidence for it, people judged it, people executed the judgment.
this is the way democracy was supposed to be.It's only the way it is supposed to be if the people in question truly represent the opinion of the majority, rather than self-appointing themselves as such.
Since it would seem that people here are really mostly younglings hanging out on Internet forums, they cannot reasonably claim to represent a majority, by far.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368854</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267785600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You make it sound as if "the public" is a single entity but it isn't. If each of those people were convinced by the evidence that she was guilty, then it's kind of like a trial by your peers. Except better, even. You could remove the 100 people who are outliers (on both sides of the case) and still have a considerable number of detective/judges. That's something you can't do with a 12 person jury.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You make it sound as if " the public " is a single entity but it is n't .
If each of those people were convinced by the evidence that she was guilty , then it 's kind of like a trial by your peers .
Except better , even .
You could remove the 100 people who are outliers ( on both sides of the case ) and still have a considerable number of detective/judges .
That 's something you ca n't do with a 12 person jury .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make it sound as if "the public" is a single entity but it isn't.
If each of those people were convinced by the evidence that she was guilty, then it's kind of like a trial by your peers.
Except better, even.
You could remove the 100 people who are outliers (on both sides of the case) and still have a considerable number of detective/judges.
That's something you can't do with a 12 person jury.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368966</id>
	<title>Yes, i know this site</title>
	<author>larrrk</author>
	<datestamp>1267786980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>reddit</htmltext>
<tokenext>reddit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>reddit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368844</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1267785480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hyperbole much?<br>This is nothing but Chinese<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/tards. Bord teens to 30 somethings, who still live with their parents, as is the norm in China, going after very VERY soft targets.</p><p>Nationalism is a disease not at all unique to China.</p><p>---<br>Ministry of misuse and overuse of Orwell's novels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hyperbole much ? This is nothing but Chinese /b/tards .
Bord teens to 30 somethings , who still live with their parents , as is the norm in China , going after very VERY soft targets.Nationalism is a disease not at all unique to China.---Ministry of misuse and overuse of Orwell 's novels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hyperbole much?This is nothing but Chinese /b/tards.
Bord teens to 30 somethings, who still live with their parents, as is the norm in China, going after very VERY soft targets.Nationalism is a disease not at all unique to China.---Ministry of misuse and overuse of Orwell's novels.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369230</id>
	<title>ever onwards back in time</title>
	<author>muckracer</author>
	<datestamp>1267790100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, things are progressing, as age-old human desires and idiosyncracies get adapted and ridden along modern technologies. Really nothing new and yet still astounding.<br>However, it'll get a lot more interesting, when there's an economic incentive for tracking down people and performing certain....actions: <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Assassination\_politics" title="wikimedia.org">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Assassination\_politics</a> [wikimedia.org]<br>Given the degree to which people are conditioned to respond in Pavlov'ian fashion for gaining a material benefit the old and formerly philosophical question question of 'How much is a human life worth?' may at last be answered...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , things are progressing , as age-old human desires and idiosyncracies get adapted and ridden along modern technologies .
Really nothing new and yet still astounding.However , it 'll get a lot more interesting , when there 's an economic incentive for tracking down people and performing certain....actions : https : //secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Assassination \ _politics [ wikimedia.org ] Given the degree to which people are conditioned to respond in Pavlov'ian fashion for gaining a material benefit the old and formerly philosophical question question of 'How much is a human life worth ?
' may at last be answered.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, things are progressing, as age-old human desires and idiosyncracies get adapted and ridden along modern technologies.
Really nothing new and yet still astounding.However, it'll get a lot more interesting, when there's an economic incentive for tracking down people and performing certain....actions: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Assassination\_politics [wikimedia.org]Given the degree to which people are conditioned to respond in Pavlov'ian fashion for gaining a material benefit the old and formerly philosophical question question of 'How much is a human life worth?
' may at last be answered...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369778</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1267796760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Public is not the only factor here, it is just one of the methods of interaction between society and individual, it works in combination with real judicial system and system of public support on the group level: some people try to ostracize you, another group will try to encourage and protect you.</p><p>If somebody kills the cat lady, there will be a real trial with a real judge. If somebody vandalizes her home, there will be a real trial with a real judge. If somebody just calls her names on a street: tough luck, but she still can survive.</p><p>I do not understand why with such evidence she was not tried in court? Does not China have laws against cruelty to animals?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Public is not the only factor here , it is just one of the methods of interaction between society and individual , it works in combination with real judicial system and system of public support on the group level : some people try to ostracize you , another group will try to encourage and protect you.If somebody kills the cat lady , there will be a real trial with a real judge .
If somebody vandalizes her home , there will be a real trial with a real judge .
If somebody just calls her names on a street : tough luck , but she still can survive.I do not understand why with such evidence she was not tried in court ?
Does not China have laws against cruelty to animals ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Public is not the only factor here, it is just one of the methods of interaction between society and individual, it works in combination with real judicial system and system of public support on the group level: some people try to ostracize you, another group will try to encourage and protect you.If somebody kills the cat lady, there will be a real trial with a real judge.
If somebody vandalizes her home, there will be a real trial with a real judge.
If somebody just calls her names on a street: tough luck, but she still can survive.I do not understand why with such evidence she was not tried in court?
Does not China have laws against cruelty to animals?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368742</id>
	<title>In principle it could work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267784100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but in a US style society which values individual interests over those of society, things could go bad very quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but in a US style society which values individual interests over those of society , things could go bad very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but in a US style society which values individual interests over those of society, things could go bad very quickly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369596</id>
	<title>Example of usage by Chinese ultranationalists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267794960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After the March 2008 Tibetan uprising across the three provinces of Chinese-occupied Tibet during which <i>a few Chinese (both uniformed and settlers) were killed and a dozen more died while hiding when Chinese-owned shops were set alight</i> and <i>over two hundred Tibetans were killed by the Chinese army and paramilitary and over two thousand Tibetans simply went missing (dead or kept in horrendous secret prison camps)</i> there were demonstrations across the world featuring mostly freedom-supporting foreign nationals and occasionally angry Chinese Communist Party-organized <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenqing" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">"fen qing"</a> [wikipedia.org] defending Chinese imperialism and colonialism in Tibet.</p><p>During one rare demonstration at the Duke University featuring both sets of campaigners, a young Chinese student Grace Wang, who also had Tibetan and Western friends and who had mastered the art of respectful debate, tried in vain to mediate between the two groups of protesters. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/18/AR2008041802635.html" title="washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">Here is a quote from the Washington Post article ("Caught in the Middle, Called a Traitor") on what happened next</a> [washingtonpost.com]:</p><blockquote><div><p>At the height of the protest, a group of Chinese men surrounded me, pointed at me and, referring to the young woman who led the 1989 student democracy protests in Tiananmen Square, said, "Remember Chai Ling? All Chinese want to burn her in oil, and you look like her." They said that I had mental problems and that I would go to hell. They asked me where I was from and what school I had attended. I told them. I had nothing to hide. But then it started to feel as though an angry mob was about to attack me. Finally, I left the protest with a police escort.</p><p>Back in my dorm room, I logged onto the Duke Chinese Students and Scholars Association (DCSSA) Web site and listserv to see what people were saying. Qian Fangzhou, an officer of DCSSA, was gloating, "We really showed them our colors!"</p><p>I posted a letter in response, explaining that I don't support Tibetan independence, as some accused me of, but that I do support Tibetan freedom, as well as Chinese freedom. All people should be free and have their basic rights protected, just as the Chinese constitution says. I hoped that the letter would spark some substantive discussion. But people just criticized and ridiculed me more.</p><p>The next morning, a storm was raging online. Photographs of me had been posted on the Internet with the words "Traitor to her country!" printed across my forehead. Then I saw something really alarming: Both my parents' citizen ID numbers had been posted. I was shocked, because this information could only have come from the Chinese police.</p><p>I saw detailed directions to my parents' home in China, accompanied by calls for people to go there and teach "this shameless dog" a lesson. It was then that I realized how serious this had become. My phone rang with callers making threats against my life. It was ironic: What I had tried so hard to prevent was precisely what had come to pass. And I was the target.</p><p>I talked to my mom the next morning, and she said that she and my dad were going into hiding because they were getting death threats, too. She told me that I shouldn't call them. Since then, short e-mail messages have been our only communication. The other day, I saw photos of our apartment online; a bucket of feces had been emptied on the doorstep. More recently I've heard that the windows have been smashed and obscene posters have been hung on the door. Also, I've been told that after convening an assembly to condemn me, my high school revoked my diploma and has reinforced patriotic education.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After the March 2008 Tibetan uprising across the three provinces of Chinese-occupied Tibet during which a few Chinese ( both uniformed and settlers ) were killed and a dozen more died while hiding when Chinese-owned shops were set alight and over two hundred Tibetans were killed by the Chinese army and paramilitary and over two thousand Tibetans simply went missing ( dead or kept in horrendous secret prison camps ) there were demonstrations across the world featuring mostly freedom-supporting foreign nationals and occasionally angry Chinese Communist Party-organized " fen qing " [ wikipedia.org ] defending Chinese imperialism and colonialism in Tibet.During one rare demonstration at the Duke University featuring both sets of campaigners , a young Chinese student Grace Wang , who also had Tibetan and Western friends and who had mastered the art of respectful debate , tried in vain to mediate between the two groups of protesters .
Here is a quote from the Washington Post article ( " Caught in the Middle , Called a Traitor " ) on what happened next [ washingtonpost.com ] : At the height of the protest , a group of Chinese men surrounded me , pointed at me and , referring to the young woman who led the 1989 student democracy protests in Tiananmen Square , said , " Remember Chai Ling ?
All Chinese want to burn her in oil , and you look like her .
" They said that I had mental problems and that I would go to hell .
They asked me where I was from and what school I had attended .
I told them .
I had nothing to hide .
But then it started to feel as though an angry mob was about to attack me .
Finally , I left the protest with a police escort.Back in my dorm room , I logged onto the Duke Chinese Students and Scholars Association ( DCSSA ) Web site and listserv to see what people were saying .
Qian Fangzhou , an officer of DCSSA , was gloating , " We really showed them our colors !
" I posted a letter in response , explaining that I do n't support Tibetan independence , as some accused me of , but that I do support Tibetan freedom , as well as Chinese freedom .
All people should be free and have their basic rights protected , just as the Chinese constitution says .
I hoped that the letter would spark some substantive discussion .
But people just criticized and ridiculed me more.The next morning , a storm was raging online .
Photographs of me had been posted on the Internet with the words " Traitor to her country !
" printed across my forehead .
Then I saw something really alarming : Both my parents ' citizen ID numbers had been posted .
I was shocked , because this information could only have come from the Chinese police.I saw detailed directions to my parents ' home in China , accompanied by calls for people to go there and teach " this shameless dog " a lesson .
It was then that I realized how serious this had become .
My phone rang with callers making threats against my life .
It was ironic : What I had tried so hard to prevent was precisely what had come to pass .
And I was the target.I talked to my mom the next morning , and she said that she and my dad were going into hiding because they were getting death threats , too .
She told me that I should n't call them .
Since then , short e-mail messages have been our only communication .
The other day , I saw photos of our apartment online ; a bucket of feces had been emptied on the doorstep .
More recently I 've heard that the windows have been smashed and obscene posters have been hung on the door .
Also , I 've been told that after convening an assembly to condemn me , my high school revoked my diploma and has reinforced patriotic education .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After the March 2008 Tibetan uprising across the three provinces of Chinese-occupied Tibet during which a few Chinese (both uniformed and settlers) were killed and a dozen more died while hiding when Chinese-owned shops were set alight and over two hundred Tibetans were killed by the Chinese army and paramilitary and over two thousand Tibetans simply went missing (dead or kept in horrendous secret prison camps) there were demonstrations across the world featuring mostly freedom-supporting foreign nationals and occasionally angry Chinese Communist Party-organized "fen qing" [wikipedia.org] defending Chinese imperialism and colonialism in Tibet.During one rare demonstration at the Duke University featuring both sets of campaigners, a young Chinese student Grace Wang, who also had Tibetan and Western friends and who had mastered the art of respectful debate, tried in vain to mediate between the two groups of protesters.
Here is a quote from the Washington Post article ("Caught in the Middle, Called a Traitor") on what happened next [washingtonpost.com]:At the height of the protest, a group of Chinese men surrounded me, pointed at me and, referring to the young woman who led the 1989 student democracy protests in Tiananmen Square, said, "Remember Chai Ling?
All Chinese want to burn her in oil, and you look like her.
" They said that I had mental problems and that I would go to hell.
They asked me where I was from and what school I had attended.
I told them.
I had nothing to hide.
But then it started to feel as though an angry mob was about to attack me.
Finally, I left the protest with a police escort.Back in my dorm room, I logged onto the Duke Chinese Students and Scholars Association (DCSSA) Web site and listserv to see what people were saying.
Qian Fangzhou, an officer of DCSSA, was gloating, "We really showed them our colors!
"I posted a letter in response, explaining that I don't support Tibetan independence, as some accused me of, but that I do support Tibetan freedom, as well as Chinese freedom.
All people should be free and have their basic rights protected, just as the Chinese constitution says.
I hoped that the letter would spark some substantive discussion.
But people just criticized and ridiculed me more.The next morning, a storm was raging online.
Photographs of me had been posted on the Internet with the words "Traitor to her country!
" printed across my forehead.
Then I saw something really alarming: Both my parents' citizen ID numbers had been posted.
I was shocked, because this information could only have come from the Chinese police.I saw detailed directions to my parents' home in China, accompanied by calls for people to go there and teach "this shameless dog" a lesson.
It was then that I realized how serious this had become.
My phone rang with callers making threats against my life.
It was ironic: What I had tried so hard to prevent was precisely what had come to pass.
And I was the target.I talked to my mom the next morning, and she said that she and my dad were going into hiding because they were getting death threats, too.
She told me that I shouldn't call them.
Since then, short e-mail messages have been our only communication.
The other day, I saw photos of our apartment online; a bucket of feces had been emptied on the doorstep.
More recently I've heard that the windows have been smashed and obscene posters have been hung on the door.
Also, I've been told that after convening an assembly to condemn me, my high school revoked my diploma and has reinforced patriotic education.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371178</id>
	<title>Re:dude</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1267805640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"1984, orwell, big brother: it would all make sense if the state had a monopoly on technological advance. it doesn't. as such, 1984, orwell, big brother: failed, dead meme, useless way of thinking about your world."</i>
<br> <br>
Wow, and you critisize others for not understanding Orwell?
<br> <br>
As Christopher Hitchens has pointed out Orwell was the only intellectual writer in the first half of the 20th century to correctly identify and attack all three of the major ideological diseases of the 20th century, Imperialisim, Communisim, and Facsisim. And he did a damned fine job of it too!
<br> <br>
I suggest you get yourself a copy of Hitchens aptly titled book <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why\_Orwell\_Matters" title="wikipedia.org">Why Orwell matters</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>" 1984 , orwell , big brother : it would all make sense if the state had a monopoly on technological advance .
it does n't .
as such , 1984 , orwell , big brother : failed , dead meme , useless way of thinking about your world .
" Wow , and you critisize others for not understanding Orwell ?
As Christopher Hitchens has pointed out Orwell was the only intellectual writer in the first half of the 20th century to correctly identify and attack all three of the major ideological diseases of the 20th century , Imperialisim , Communisim , and Facsisim .
And he did a damned fine job of it too !
I suggest you get yourself a copy of Hitchens aptly titled book Why Orwell matters [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"1984, orwell, big brother: it would all make sense if the state had a monopoly on technological advance.
it doesn't.
as such, 1984, orwell, big brother: failed, dead meme, useless way of thinking about your world.
"
 
Wow, and you critisize others for not understanding Orwell?
As Christopher Hitchens has pointed out Orwell was the only intellectual writer in the first half of the 20th century to correctly identify and attack all three of the major ideological diseases of the 20th century, Imperialisim, Communisim, and Facsisim.
And he did a damned fine job of it too!
I suggest you get yourself a copy of Hitchens aptly titled book Why Orwell matters [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368756</id>
	<title>First rule</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267784220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First rule of renrou sousuo yinqing:<br>Don't mention renrou sousuo yinqing</p><p>Also:</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First rule of renrou sousuo yinqing : Do n't mention renrou sousuo yinqingAlso :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First rule of renrou sousuo yinqing:Don't mention renrou sousuo yinqingAlso:</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31393178</id>
	<title>Easily fixed</title>
	<author>Geminii</author>
	<datestamp>1267953360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fake some data which shows medium-high-level political figures stomping on cats. Chinonymous vs the Ruling Party should settle things one way or another.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fake some data which shows medium-high-level political figures stomping on cats .
Chinonymous vs the Ruling Party should settle things one way or another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fake some data which shows medium-high-level political figures stomping on cats.
Chinonymous vs the Ruling Party should settle things one way or another.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370214</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267800540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>methinks you give fox news undeserved credit.<br>citation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>methinks you give fox news undeserved credit.citation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>methinks you give fox news undeserved credit.citation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368998</id>
	<title>Coming soon...</title>
	<author>tnmc</author>
	<datestamp>1267787280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"She's a witch!!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" She 's a witch ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"She's a witch!!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369262</id>
	<title>isn't this just....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267790760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... The chinese equivalent of 4Chan and anonymous?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... The chinese equivalent of 4Chan and anonymous ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... The chinese equivalent of 4Chan and anonymous?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369180</id>
	<title>Re:4Chan</title>
	<author>Burz</author>
	<datestamp>1267789500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And to some extent littlegreenfootballs and freerepublic, America's culture warriors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And to some extent littlegreenfootballs and freerepublic , America 's culture warriors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And to some extent littlegreenfootballs and freerepublic, America's culture warriors.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370432</id>
	<title>2chan.net</title>
	<author>Dr. Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1267801680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>4Chan is just the English phenomenon of 2chan.

</p><p>It's a Japanese channel, but lots of Chinese on the front page.

</p><p>As far as I know, the concept originated in East Asia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>4Chan is just the English phenomenon of 2chan .
It 's a Japanese channel , but lots of Chinese on the front page .
As far as I know , the concept originated in East Asia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4Chan is just the English phenomenon of 2chan.
It's a Japanese channel, but lots of Chinese on the front page.
As far as I know, the concept originated in East Asia.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368772</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368760</id>
	<title>Mob rule?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267784220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like mob rule to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like mob rule to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like mob rule to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369866</id>
	<title>Re:4Chan</title>
	<author>Chapter80</author>
	<datestamp>1267797600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is 4Chan made in China.... or dare I say ChinChan...</p></div><p>I think that'd be <a href="http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art30635.asp" title="bellaonline.com">SiChan</a> [bellaonline.com].</p><p>I don't know of any dialect where the number 4 translates to "Chin".  Unless you are counting the chins on a really fat person....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is 4Chan made in China.... or dare I say ChinChan...I think that 'd be SiChan [ bellaonline.com ] .I do n't know of any dialect where the number 4 translates to " Chin " .
Unless you are counting the chins on a really fat person... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is 4Chan made in China.... or dare I say ChinChan...I think that'd be SiChan [bellaonline.com].I don't know of any dialect where the number 4 translates to "Chin".
Unless you are counting the chins on a really fat person....
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371922</id>
	<title>Re:Example of usage by Chinese ultranationalists</title>
	<author>muckracer</author>
	<datestamp>1267809000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; They asked me where I was from and what school I had attended. I told them. I had nothing to hide.</p><p>Good for her that she had nothing to hide. Good for everyone who thinks that way. It makes your life better! Promised!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; They asked me where I was from and what school I had attended .
I told them .
I had nothing to hide.Good for her that she had nothing to hide .
Good for everyone who thinks that way .
It makes your life better !
Promised !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; They asked me where I was from and what school I had attended.
I told them.
I had nothing to hide.Good for her that she had nothing to hide.
Good for everyone who thinks that way.
It makes your life better!
Promised!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370186</id>
	<title>Re:4Chan</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1267800300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>CharlieChan?</htmltext>
<tokenext>CharlieChan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CharlieChan?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369500</id>
	<title>Sounds like a dupe/rehash from last year</title>
	<author>PMBjornerud</author>
	<datestamp>1267793760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/10/1614227/Online-Vigilantes-Or-Crowdsourced-Justice" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/10/1614227/Online-Vigilantes-Or-Crowdsourced-Justice</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/10/1614227/Online-Vigilantes-Or-Crowdsourced-Justice [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/10/1614227/Online-Vigilantes-Or-Crowdsourced-Justice [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368774</id>
	<title>The Human Flesh Search Engine</title>
	<author>ZirconCode</author>
	<datestamp>1267784340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also known as Mature Bullying</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also known as Mature Bullying</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also known as Mature Bullying</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369028</id>
	<title>China  Vigilantes  Anonymous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267787520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen the no effective anonymous at work. Then came the chinese botnets, job was done. I gather on social networking and vigilante justice level they are also more effective than US kids sending pizzas and cartboard boxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen the no effective anonymous at work .
Then came the chinese botnets , job was done .
I gather on social networking and vigilante justice level they are also more effective than US kids sending pizzas and cartboard boxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen the no effective anonymous at work.
Then came the chinese botnets, job was done.
I gather on social networking and vigilante justice level they are also more effective than US kids sending pizzas and cartboard boxes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368778</id>
	<title>I wonder if..</title>
	<author>Talar</author>
	<datestamp>1267784340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>any in flesh searches that is not approved by the government would be as successful as the one to hunt down the moderate Tibet journalist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>any in flesh searches that is not approved by the government would be as successful as the one to hunt down the moderate Tibet journalist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>any in flesh searches that is not approved by the government would be as successful as the one to hunt down the moderate Tibet journalist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31379066</id>
	<title>Re:i've seen that video</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267815120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'm more law and order obsessed than you, because I'd just call the police on her, if anything. You know, there are probably child molesters living openly in your city. They're worse than kitten stompers, right? Doing something about it? Thought not. I know you want us all to think you're a big man who cares about justice and all, but you're not kidding anyone. You're just part of the problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'm more law and order obsessed than you , because I 'd just call the police on her , if anything .
You know , there are probably child molesters living openly in your city .
They 're worse than kitten stompers , right ?
Doing something about it ?
Thought not .
I know you want us all to think you 're a big man who cares about justice and all , but you 're not kidding anyone .
You 're just part of the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'm more law and order obsessed than you, because I'd just call the police on her, if anything.
You know, there are probably child molesters living openly in your city.
They're worse than kitten stompers, right?
Doing something about it?
Thought not.
I know you want us all to think you're a big man who cares about justice and all, but you're not kidding anyone.
You're just part of the problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369756</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369054</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1267788120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then so is the UK (making the assumption you're from there based on username) which has its fair share of witch hunts organized by the tabloids (Jade Goody, the anti-vaccination insanity, the pediatrician assaulted by confused pedophile hunters, etc...) In fact it might be more totalitarian since the Chinese incidents aren't guided by a central authority like the UK ones but are grass roots initiatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then so is the UK ( making the assumption you 're from there based on username ) which has its fair share of witch hunts organized by the tabloids ( Jade Goody , the anti-vaccination insanity , the pediatrician assaulted by confused pedophile hunters , etc... ) In fact it might be more totalitarian since the Chinese incidents are n't guided by a central authority like the UK ones but are grass roots initiatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then so is the UK (making the assumption you're from there based on username) which has its fair share of witch hunts organized by the tabloids (Jade Goody, the anti-vaccination insanity, the pediatrician assaulted by confused pedophile hunters, etc...) In fact it might be more totalitarian since the Chinese incidents aren't guided by a central authority like the UK ones but are grass roots initiatives.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31372400</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>pha7boy</author>
	<datestamp>1267811400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>maybe. or maybe it's a rehash of the 1960s Red Guards. either way, just as bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe .
or maybe it 's a rehash of the 1960s Red Guards .
either way , just as bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe.
or maybe it's a rehash of the 1960s Red Guards.
either way, just as bad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369756</id>
	<title>i've seen that video</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267796580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what's impressive to me is that even in china, where they pretty much eat anything "everything with 4 legs except the table" they are repulsed by simple cruelty</p><p>in other words, animal rights activists: there is a code, understandable by all meat eaters, that eating meat is not cruelty, its simple sustenance. meanwhile, the divide between that understanding, and the simple understanding that needless cruelty to animals is disgusting is stark, clear, and universally understood. common chinese repulsion to that video, the same people famous for eating dogs, civet cats, whatever, they are equally repulsed at that video as your average morrisey listening mopey animal rights activist in the west</p><p>animal rights activists: people are repulsed by cruelty, universally and fundamentally, and they understand the difference between the need for sustenance and unnecessary vile behavior. and they genuinely are two different things. sorry: meat is not murder</p><p>and frankly, hound that fucking bitch and the cameraman too</p><p>if you've seen that video, even the most law and order obsessed amongst us would be grabbing the pitchfork and letting out a throaty cry for some mob vigilante justice on that bitch</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what 's impressive to me is that even in china , where they pretty much eat anything " everything with 4 legs except the table " they are repulsed by simple crueltyin other words , animal rights activists : there is a code , understandable by all meat eaters , that eating meat is not cruelty , its simple sustenance .
meanwhile , the divide between that understanding , and the simple understanding that needless cruelty to animals is disgusting is stark , clear , and universally understood .
common chinese repulsion to that video , the same people famous for eating dogs , civet cats , whatever , they are equally repulsed at that video as your average morrisey listening mopey animal rights activist in the westanimal rights activists : people are repulsed by cruelty , universally and fundamentally , and they understand the difference between the need for sustenance and unnecessary vile behavior .
and they genuinely are two different things .
sorry : meat is not murderand frankly , hound that fucking bitch and the cameraman tooif you 've seen that video , even the most law and order obsessed amongst us would be grabbing the pitchfork and letting out a throaty cry for some mob vigilante justice on that bitch</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what's impressive to me is that even in china, where they pretty much eat anything "everything with 4 legs except the table" they are repulsed by simple crueltyin other words, animal rights activists: there is a code, understandable by all meat eaters, that eating meat is not cruelty, its simple sustenance.
meanwhile, the divide between that understanding, and the simple understanding that needless cruelty to animals is disgusting is stark, clear, and universally understood.
common chinese repulsion to that video, the same people famous for eating dogs, civet cats, whatever, they are equally repulsed at that video as your average morrisey listening mopey animal rights activist in the westanimal rights activists: people are repulsed by cruelty, universally and fundamentally, and they understand the difference between the need for sustenance and unnecessary vile behavior.
and they genuinely are two different things.
sorry: meat is not murderand frankly, hound that fucking bitch and the cameraman tooif you've seen that video, even the most law and order obsessed amongst us would be grabbing the pitchfork and letting out a throaty cry for some mob vigilante justice on that bitch</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368720</id>
	<title>Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267783680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system."...</p></div><p>Because we don't want too, thats why.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... amateur pornography makers , Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic , journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system .
" ...Because we do n't want too , thats why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system.
"...Because we don't want too, thats why.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368938</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267786560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's discussed in TFA: a corrupt local official was hunted down for attempting to pull a small girl into a bathroom, actual eyewitnesses were not sure the situation was so clear cut. The whole reason we have courts is because mob "justice" is rarely that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's discussed in TFA : a corrupt local official was hunted down for attempting to pull a small girl into a bathroom , actual eyewitnesses were not sure the situation was so clear cut .
The whole reason we have courts is because mob " justice " is rarely that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's discussed in TFA: a corrupt local official was hunted down for attempting to pull a small girl into a bathroom, actual eyewitnesses were not sure the situation was so clear cut.
The whole reason we have courts is because mob "justice" is rarely that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31375102</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>An anonymous Frank</author>
	<datestamp>1267780920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There have been reports on how people in more religious countries  are starting to use the Internet to hunt down and threaten queer individuals back into the fold.</p><p>Some individuals have this innate need to "correct" perceived wrongs.  Now their reach goes beyond their own neighbourhood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been reports on how people in more religious countries are starting to use the Internet to hunt down and threaten queer individuals back into the fold.Some individuals have this innate need to " correct " perceived wrongs .
Now their reach goes beyond their own neighbourhood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been reports on how people in more religious countries  are starting to use the Internet to hunt down and threaten queer individuals back into the fold.Some individuals have this innate need to "correct" perceived wrongs.
Now their reach goes beyond their own neighbourhood.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31371572</id>
	<title>Re:Its something good. Get over it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267807440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, this isn't democracy.  This is a bunch of people deciding something and going ahead with it whether or not anyone else agrees with them.  It's no more a democratic than a lynch mob.  Sorry, I'm not going to support a system that forces people into hiding just because a bunch of bullies don't agree with what they said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , this is n't democracy .
This is a bunch of people deciding something and going ahead with it whether or not anyone else agrees with them .
It 's no more a democratic than a lynch mob .
Sorry , I 'm not going to support a system that forces people into hiding just because a bunch of bullies do n't agree with what they said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, this isn't democracy.
This is a bunch of people deciding something and going ahead with it whether or not anyone else agrees with them.
It's no more a democratic than a lynch mob.
Sorry, I'm not going to support a system that forces people into hiding just because a bunch of bullies don't agree with what they said.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368796</id>
	<title>Re:Mob rule?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267784700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed, this sounds like perfect expression of the Tyranny of the Majority. Thankfully they cannot organize into a political party, with all the problems that causes, ie Nazi Germany.

Oh and Godwin</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , this sounds like perfect expression of the Tyranny of the Majority .
Thankfully they can not organize into a political party , with all the problems that causes , ie Nazi Germany .
Oh and Godwin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, this sounds like perfect expression of the Tyranny of the Majority.
Thankfully they cannot organize into a political party, with all the problems that causes, ie Nazi Germany.
Oh and Godwin</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368772</id>
	<title>4Chan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267784280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is 4Chan made in China.... or dare I say ChinChan...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is 4Chan made in China.... or dare I say ChinChan.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is 4Chan made in China.... or dare I say ChinChan...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31370720</id>
	<title>A System of Control</title>
	<author>tarlss</author>
	<datestamp>1267803480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone else see this mob-sourcing thing for what it really is? I wouldn't be surprised if it were an unconscious effect of the little 'shadow government' the Chinese have imposed over their net. The Chinese government employs poltico-bots to troll forums enforcing the will of the government, who says that these guys don't have a hand..a heavy hand in spreading the frenzy?
Also to clarify, the baojia system is probably not really to blame for this. It's a system that essentially exerts feudal control over a handful of families. In reality it isn't very much different than a community organization, or even a corporation. In the old days they were mostly used to raise local militia against bandits and invaders. They were pretty much the foot soldiers and local garrisons during the many invasions and rebellions between the Ming Dynasty and WWII.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else see this mob-sourcing thing for what it really is ?
I would n't be surprised if it were an unconscious effect of the little 'shadow government ' the Chinese have imposed over their net .
The Chinese government employs poltico-bots to troll forums enforcing the will of the government , who says that these guys do n't have a hand..a heavy hand in spreading the frenzy ?
Also to clarify , the baojia system is probably not really to blame for this .
It 's a system that essentially exerts feudal control over a handful of families .
In reality it is n't very much different than a community organization , or even a corporation .
In the old days they were mostly used to raise local militia against bandits and invaders .
They were pretty much the foot soldiers and local garrisons during the many invasions and rebellions between the Ming Dynasty and WWII .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else see this mob-sourcing thing for what it really is?
I wouldn't be surprised if it were an unconscious effect of the little 'shadow government' the Chinese have imposed over their net.
The Chinese government employs poltico-bots to troll forums enforcing the will of the government, who says that these guys don't have a hand..a heavy hand in spreading the frenzy?
Also to clarify, the baojia system is probably not really to blame for this.
It's a system that essentially exerts feudal control over a handful of families.
In reality it isn't very much different than a community organization, or even a corporation.
In the old days they were mostly used to raise local militia against bandits and invaders.
They were pretty much the foot soldiers and local garrisons during the many invasions and rebellions between the Ming Dynasty and WWII.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369250</id>
	<title>And what's more interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267790340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that the lynch mob went after someone killing a kitten.  That's new certainly something new and implies that the west's cultural obsessions with animal welfare and cuteness are taking hold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that the lynch mob went after someone killing a kitten .
That 's new certainly something new and implies that the west 's cultural obsessions with animal welfare and cuteness are taking hold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that the lynch mob went after someone killing a kitten.
That's new certainly something new and implies that the west's cultural obsessions with animal welfare and cuteness are taking hold.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368718</id>
	<title>Sounds like 4chan's Anonymous scientology raids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267783680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and "Anonymous is not your personal army" seems to have held up pretty well against gaming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and " Anonymous is not your personal army " seems to have held up pretty well against gaming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and "Anonymous is not your personal army" seems to have held up pretty well against gaming.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31374266</id>
	<title>Comments are a form of mob justice too surely.</title>
	<author>tpg0007</author>
	<datestamp>1267820040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you commit an act found objectionable by some, do they have the right to act against you? Perhaps not legal right, but morally can you allow yourself to abide silently while something you think is wrong goes on? When should your moral respect for others' privacy outweigh your own principles? How easy is it to convince yourself that "it's just the internets, I don't and can't know the whole story, so I'll just treat potential evil as passing diversion?"

I think privacy should be viewed in a contractual sense. In some cases you expect another party to actively protect your privacy, such as between you and your doctor. Strangers who come upon publicly available but unknown information about you do not have that obligation, though perhaps the medium they choose to broadcast it to the world has.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you commit an act found objectionable by some , do they have the right to act against you ?
Perhaps not legal right , but morally can you allow yourself to abide silently while something you think is wrong goes on ?
When should your moral respect for others ' privacy outweigh your own principles ?
How easy is it to convince yourself that " it 's just the internets , I do n't and ca n't know the whole story , so I 'll just treat potential evil as passing diversion ?
" I think privacy should be viewed in a contractual sense .
In some cases you expect another party to actively protect your privacy , such as between you and your doctor .
Strangers who come upon publicly available but unknown information about you do not have that obligation , though perhaps the medium they choose to broadcast it to the world has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you commit an act found objectionable by some, do they have the right to act against you?
Perhaps not legal right, but morally can you allow yourself to abide silently while something you think is wrong goes on?
When should your moral respect for others' privacy outweigh your own principles?
How easy is it to convince yourself that "it's just the internets, I don't and can't know the whole story, so I'll just treat potential evil as passing diversion?
"

I think privacy should be viewed in a contractual sense.
In some cases you expect another party to actively protect your privacy, such as between you and your doctor.
Strangers who come upon publicly available but unknown information about you do not have that obligation, though perhaps the medium they choose to broadcast it to the world has.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369026</id>
	<title>Re:But who verified it was really her?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267787520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about the right to a legal defender?</p><p>Part of the idea of the organized justice system is that you have the right to be defended in court, even if nobody in the world thinks that you deserve to be defended.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the right to a legal defender ? Part of the idea of the organized justice system is that you have the right to be defended in court , even if nobody in the world thinks that you deserve to be defended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the right to a legal defender?Part of the idea of the organized justice system is that you have the right to be defended in court, even if nobody in the world thinks that you deserve to be defended.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31368816</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't we all get along?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267785000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>...... amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system</em> <br> <br>

This is the online version of denouncing people to the Thought Police in <em>1984</em>. Just a reminder that China is still very much a totalitarian state.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...... amateur pornography makers , Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic , journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system This is the online version of denouncing people to the Thought Police in 1984 .
Just a reminder that China is still very much a totalitarian state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...... amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system  

This is the online version of denouncing people to the Thought Police in 1984.
Just a reminder that China is still very much a totalitarian state.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_05_0253253.31369106</id>
	<title>Re:not really</title>
	<author>umghhh</author>
	<datestamp>1267788780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how strange it is - on one hand a totalitarian system being undermined by people's wrath on the other there the same 'movement' if you will is just a  modern version of lynching practice, inaccurate and rather brutal usually. I guess this is what happens when all other breaks installed in the society stop functioning or is it another case of mass hysteria like 'commies are coming' in US back then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>how strange it is - on one hand a totalitarian system being undermined by people 's wrath on the other there the same 'movement ' if you will is just a modern version of lynching practice , inaccurate and rather brutal usually .
I guess this is what happens when all other breaks installed in the society stop functioning or is it another case of mass hysteria like 'commies are coming ' in US back then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how strange it is - on one hand a totalitarian system being undermined by people's wrath on the other there the same 'movement' if you will is just a  modern version of lynching practice, inaccurate and rather brutal usually.
I guess this is what happens when all other breaks installed in the society stop functioning or is it another case of mass hysteria like 'commies are coming' in US back then.</sentencetext>
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