<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_04_2136257</id>
	<title>Venezuela Bans Hostile Videogames and Toys</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267699260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"In an effort to 'help improve child education and prevent misconduct,' the Venezuelan government began enforcing a law on March 3rd <a href="http://www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=167468&amp;Itemid=1">banning war videogames and toys</a>, imposing a fine and 2.5 years in prison on the production, distribution, sale, hiring and use of video games and toys inciting violent behavior. Alberto Federico Ravell, former director of opposing news network Globovision, has already come on twitter denouncing the authorities for seizing imported Gameboy, Wii and PlayStation 3 consoles, due to considering them violent."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " In an effort to 'help improve child education and prevent misconduct, ' the Venezuelan government began enforcing a law on March 3rd banning war videogames and toys , imposing a fine and 2.5 years in prison on the production , distribution , sale , hiring and use of video games and toys inciting violent behavior .
Alberto Federico Ravell , former director of opposing news network Globovision , has already come on twitter denouncing the authorities for seizing imported Gameboy , Wii and PlayStation 3 consoles , due to considering them violent .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "In an effort to 'help improve child education and prevent misconduct,' the Venezuelan government began enforcing a law on March 3rd banning war videogames and toys, imposing a fine and 2.5 years in prison on the production, distribution, sale, hiring and use of video games and toys inciting violent behavior.
Alberto Federico Ravell, former director of opposing news network Globovision, has already come on twitter denouncing the authorities for seizing imported Gameboy, Wii and PlayStation 3 consoles, due to considering them violent.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31367856</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>Harik</author>
	<datestamp>1267729500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So we should allow censorship because of your anecdotal evidence about your nephew-in-law?  Thanks, but no thanks.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us. Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.</p></div><p>Yeah, and I flatly believe that you're qualified to tie your own shoes, much less determine what other people can and cannot do.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So we should allow censorship because of your anecdotal evidence about your nephew-in-law ?
Thanks , but no thanks.I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us .
Movies like Saw and Hostel simply can not be psychologically inert , the content is just too potent.Yeah , and I flatly believe that you 're qualified to tie your own shoes , much less determine what other people can and can not do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we should allow censorship because of your anecdotal evidence about your nephew-in-law?
Thanks, but no thanks.I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us.
Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.Yeah, and I flatly believe that you're qualified to tie your own shoes, much less determine what other people can and cannot do.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31366264</id>
	<title>Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267716420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see you recently learned about Google.<br><a href="http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=google" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=google</a> [google.com] </p><p>and how to use html<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/HTTP-Definitive-Guide-David-Gourley/dp/1565925092/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1267755885&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/HTTP-Definitive-Guide-David-Gourley/dp/1565925092/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1267755885&amp;sr=8-1</a> [amazon.com] </p><p>But not how to think or write rationally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see you recently learned about Google.http : //www.google.com/ # hl = en&amp;source = hp&amp;q = google [ google.com ] and how to use htmlhttp : //www.amazon.com/HTTP-Definitive-Guide-David-Gourley/dp/1565925092/ref = sr \ _1 \ _1 ? ie = UTF8&amp;s = books&amp;qid = 1267755885&amp;sr = 8-1 [ amazon.com ] But not how to think or write rationally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see you recently learned about Google.http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=google [google.com] and how to use htmlhttp://www.amazon.com/HTTP-Definitive-Guide-David-Gourley/dp/1565925092/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1267755885&amp;sr=8-1 [amazon.com] But not how to think or write rationally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364166</id>
	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>nih</author>
	<datestamp>1267703820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a tinpot dictator you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a tinpot dictator you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a tinpot dictator you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364156</id>
	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267703700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's actually a tinpot democratically elected president.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's actually a tinpot democratically elected president .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's actually a tinpot democratically elected president.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31368044</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267732020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I lived in Venezuela:<br>My grandmother, " voted"  3 years after she died.</p><p>Election time is a miracle period. All dead people walking around out of the graves voting for " democratically"  elected presidents.</p><p>(how we know she "voted" : in the control list at the voting center, my mother and grandfather where on the same page, and they saw how her entry was already marked and signed as voted)</p><p>yes, nice democratic system they have there.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I lived in Venezuela : My grandmother , " voted " 3 years after she died.Election time is a miracle period .
All dead people walking around out of the graves voting for " democratically " elected presidents .
( how we know she " voted " : in the control list at the voting center , my mother and grandfather where on the same page , and they saw how her entry was already marked and signed as voted ) yes , nice democratic system they have there.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I lived in Venezuela:My grandmother, " voted"  3 years after she died.Election time is a miracle period.
All dead people walking around out of the graves voting for " democratically"  elected presidents.
(how we know she "voted" : in the control list at the voting center, my mother and grandfather where on the same page, and they saw how her entry was already marked and signed as voted)yes, nice democratic system they have there.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31369776</id>
	<title>Chavez Rulz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267796760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget the propaganda that the US Government and their underpaid puppies aka the media tells you to think and like. They're just upset cause they couldn't get Chavez to cooperate or just plain invade as they did with Kuweit, Irak, Afganistan, Panama and so on. And it's a shame as PDVSA is the fifth oil company in the world. The dude is just too nice. This freedom that americans treasure so much is because of "a bunch of slave owners who wanted to be free and who robbed the indians, enslaved the blacks and now they bomb brown people"(quote from George Carlin). Please consider this. US citizens are free to be legally tortured indefinitely without any charge whatsoever (PATRIOT ACT. Must read!). US Citizens are free to choose which pencil to use when going to school to learn nothing but consumerism and they falsely think they are free while their president can kill a whole bunch of them under a false flag terrorism act(see 9/11 and without being biased and with a clear head, not that that can't be possible stuff. you know, reasoning, the process which gives you food and shelter and technology), just so the CIA can go to Afganistan and start trafficking drugs.<br>While Chavez forbids violence you put signs like "This school is gun free" and "drive responsably" on a beer sticker on the back of your car. While Chavez enforces intelligence US schools lower the passing grades until you will have NASA experts with down syndrome, either that or they're all indians and foreigners generally.<br>Perhaps it's time for a change of perspective don't you think? This is the best piece of advice i can offer and remember, your dumb behavior is affecting all of us.</p><p>"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."<br>Albert Einstein</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget the propaganda that the US Government and their underpaid puppies aka the media tells you to think and like .
They 're just upset cause they could n't get Chavez to cooperate or just plain invade as they did with Kuweit , Irak , Afganistan , Panama and so on .
And it 's a shame as PDVSA is the fifth oil company in the world .
The dude is just too nice .
This freedom that americans treasure so much is because of " a bunch of slave owners who wanted to be free and who robbed the indians , enslaved the blacks and now they bomb brown people " ( quote from George Carlin ) .
Please consider this .
US citizens are free to be legally tortured indefinitely without any charge whatsoever ( PATRIOT ACT .
Must read ! ) .
US Citizens are free to choose which pencil to use when going to school to learn nothing but consumerism and they falsely think they are free while their president can kill a whole bunch of them under a false flag terrorism act ( see 9/11 and without being biased and with a clear head , not that that ca n't be possible stuff .
you know , reasoning , the process which gives you food and shelter and technology ) , just so the CIA can go to Afganistan and start trafficking drugs.While Chavez forbids violence you put signs like " This school is gun free " and " drive responsably " on a beer sticker on the back of your car .
While Chavez enforces intelligence US schools lower the passing grades until you will have NASA experts with down syndrome , either that or they 're all indians and foreigners generally.Perhaps it 's time for a change of perspective do n't you think ?
This is the best piece of advice i can offer and remember , your dumb behavior is affecting all of us .
" Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen .
" Albert Einstein</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget the propaganda that the US Government and their underpaid puppies aka the media tells you to think and like.
They're just upset cause they couldn't get Chavez to cooperate or just plain invade as they did with Kuweit, Irak, Afganistan, Panama and so on.
And it's a shame as PDVSA is the fifth oil company in the world.
The dude is just too nice.
This freedom that americans treasure so much is because of "a bunch of slave owners who wanted to be free and who robbed the indians, enslaved the blacks and now they bomb brown people"(quote from George Carlin).
Please consider this.
US citizens are free to be legally tortured indefinitely without any charge whatsoever (PATRIOT ACT.
Must read!).
US Citizens are free to choose which pencil to use when going to school to learn nothing but consumerism and they falsely think they are free while their president can kill a whole bunch of them under a false flag terrorism act(see 9/11 and without being biased and with a clear head, not that that can't be possible stuff.
you know, reasoning, the process which gives you food and shelter and technology), just so the CIA can go to Afganistan and start trafficking drugs.While Chavez forbids violence you put signs like "This school is gun free" and "drive responsably" on a beer sticker on the back of your car.
While Chavez enforces intelligence US schools lower the passing grades until you will have NASA experts with down syndrome, either that or they're all indians and foreigners generally.Perhaps it's time for a change of perspective don't you think?
This is the best piece of advice i can offer and remember, your dumb behavior is affecting all of us.
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
"Albert Einstein
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364822</id>
	<title>Alberto Federico Ravell Liar</title>
	<author>Incubusxp</author>
	<datestamp>1267706520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Im Venezuelan, linving in Venezuela. And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie.
The new law, bans violent games and toys. So since yesterday no violent videogames can be imported or sold. The goverment will refund the stores who have violent videogames on their shelves so they dont lose their investment, as same for violent toy.

Thats all, Alberto Federico Ravell is a liar and a media terrorist. He says that he is a "Journalist", Real Journalist speak facts, and shows evidence to back the stories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Im Venezuelan , linving in Venezuela .
And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie .
The new law , bans violent games and toys .
So since yesterday no violent videogames can be imported or sold .
The goverment will refund the stores who have violent videogames on their shelves so they dont lose their investment , as same for violent toy .
Thats all , Alberto Federico Ravell is a liar and a media terrorist .
He says that he is a " Journalist " , Real Journalist speak facts , and shows evidence to back the stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im Venezuelan, linving in Venezuela.
And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie.
The new law, bans violent games and toys.
So since yesterday no violent videogames can be imported or sold.
The goverment will refund the stores who have violent videogames on their shelves so they dont lose their investment, as same for violent toy.
Thats all, Alberto Federico Ravell is a liar and a media terrorist.
He says that he is a "Journalist", Real Journalist speak facts, and shows evidence to back the stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365354</id>
	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267709640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He's actually a tinpot democratically elected president.</p></div><p>Aren't most of them? Democracy isn't a magic bullet and it doesn't mean they were actually fairly elected. Even in the US in the 2000 election the guy with fewer votes won. True democracy is a bunch of people in a town hall, everything else tends to be a compromise.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's actually a tinpot democratically elected president.Are n't most of them ?
Democracy is n't a magic bullet and it does n't mean they were actually fairly elected .
Even in the US in the 2000 election the guy with fewer votes won .
True democracy is a bunch of people in a town hall , everything else tends to be a compromise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's actually a tinpot democratically elected president.Aren't most of them?
Democracy isn't a magic bullet and it doesn't mean they were actually fairly elected.
Even in the US in the 2000 election the guy with fewer votes won.
True democracy is a bunch of people in a town hall, everything else tends to be a compromise.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364086</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Austerity Empowers</author>
	<datestamp>1267703460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a gamer you should be educated enough to know which games are appropriate for a child, and as a parent you should be aware of what he/she is up to and police them yourself. As a parent I understand children are willful and disobedient at times, but once he's old enough to sneak one by me, he's probably old enough to handle some nudity and violence without turning into a serial killer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a gamer you should be educated enough to know which games are appropriate for a child , and as a parent you should be aware of what he/she is up to and police them yourself .
As a parent I understand children are willful and disobedient at times , but once he 's old enough to sneak one by me , he 's probably old enough to handle some nudity and violence without turning into a serial killer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a gamer you should be educated enough to know which games are appropriate for a child, and as a parent you should be aware of what he/she is up to and police them yourself.
As a parent I understand children are willful and disobedient at times, but once he's old enough to sneak one by me, he's probably old enough to handle some nudity and violence without turning into a serial killer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364692</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267705920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good for Venezuela! And FUCK YOU to game companies that manipulate the natural aggressive impulses in small children and others into game play. Just who do these fuckers think they are - messing with the minds of kids that are still in pre-school. Also, a special shout out to the irresponsible parents who let their kids play these games. I have seen 5 year old kids playing the most violent games, and then going on to emulate and model what they play in real life. It's like handguns. We are a pretty stupid society in certain ways - and great in others. Letting the worst kind of violent images into our kid's heads is just plain IGNORANT. Oh, yeah, I'm a cognitive neuroscientist; I know a fair amount about how young brains model certain kinds of behavior, and the harm that leads to in terms of how those young brains frame conflict situation, and solutions for resolving them. FUCK YOU! EA, and every other company that makes this shit and lets it get into the minds of our kids - for what? - for your fucking stockholders??! You're a bunch of greedy sociopaths.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for Venezuela !
And FUCK YOU to game companies that manipulate the natural aggressive impulses in small children and others into game play .
Just who do these fuckers think they are - messing with the minds of kids that are still in pre-school .
Also , a special shout out to the irresponsible parents who let their kids play these games .
I have seen 5 year old kids playing the most violent games , and then going on to emulate and model what they play in real life .
It 's like handguns .
We are a pretty stupid society in certain ways - and great in others .
Letting the worst kind of violent images into our kid 's heads is just plain IGNORANT .
Oh , yeah , I 'm a cognitive neuroscientist ; I know a fair amount about how young brains model certain kinds of behavior , and the harm that leads to in terms of how those young brains frame conflict situation , and solutions for resolving them .
FUCK YOU !
EA , and every other company that makes this shit and lets it get into the minds of our kids - for what ?
- for your fucking stockholders ? ? !
You 're a bunch of greedy sociopaths .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for Venezuela!
And FUCK YOU to game companies that manipulate the natural aggressive impulses in small children and others into game play.
Just who do these fuckers think they are - messing with the minds of kids that are still in pre-school.
Also, a special shout out to the irresponsible parents who let their kids play these games.
I have seen 5 year old kids playing the most violent games, and then going on to emulate and model what they play in real life.
It's like handguns.
We are a pretty stupid society in certain ways - and great in others.
Letting the worst kind of violent images into our kid's heads is just plain IGNORANT.
Oh, yeah, I'm a cognitive neuroscientist; I know a fair amount about how young brains model certain kinds of behavior, and the harm that leads to in terms of how those young brains frame conflict situation, and solutions for resolving them.
FUCK YOU!
EA, and every other company that makes this shit and lets it get into the minds of our kids - for what?
- for your fucking stockholders??!
You're a bunch of greedy sociopaths.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364944</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>MrNaz</author>
	<datestamp>1267707120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I hate censorship, I do agree with this sentiment. Has anyone actually sat down and watched a kids' show? Ben10 has something like 10 violent acts every 3 minutes.</p><p>Being anti-censorship does not mean "anything goes". I am the primary carer (uncle for my adopted nephew) for a 4 year old, and I can tell you there is a marked increase in hyperactive behavior, aggression and general lack of control for hours after watching Nickelodeon. Consequently, I have banned TV in my house. It was a few days of tantrums, but he's gotten over it, and the improvement in behavior is astonishing.</p><p>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us. Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.</p><p>"Down with censorship" and "down with psychologically and socially destructive media" are NOT mutually exclusive in the same way that "down with government control" and "down with harming your neighbor" are also not mutually exclusive. Lets grow up past the idea that any control of media that has a negative social impact is censorship and should be fought. Media *can* have a negative impact on social behavior and mental health. Get over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I hate censorship , I do agree with this sentiment .
Has anyone actually sat down and watched a kids ' show ?
Ben10 has something like 10 violent acts every 3 minutes.Being anti-censorship does not mean " anything goes " .
I am the primary carer ( uncle for my adopted nephew ) for a 4 year old , and I can tell you there is a marked increase in hyperactive behavior , aggression and general lack of control for hours after watching Nickelodeon .
Consequently , I have banned TV in my house .
It was a few days of tantrums , but he 's gotten over it , and the improvement in behavior is astonishing.I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us .
Movies like Saw and Hostel simply can not be psychologically inert , the content is just too potent .
" Down with censorship " and " down with psychologically and socially destructive media " are NOT mutually exclusive in the same way that " down with government control " and " down with harming your neighbor " are also not mutually exclusive .
Lets grow up past the idea that any control of media that has a negative social impact is censorship and should be fought .
Media * can * have a negative impact on social behavior and mental health .
Get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I hate censorship, I do agree with this sentiment.
Has anyone actually sat down and watched a kids' show?
Ben10 has something like 10 violent acts every 3 minutes.Being anti-censorship does not mean "anything goes".
I am the primary carer (uncle for my adopted nephew) for a 4 year old, and I can tell you there is a marked increase in hyperactive behavior, aggression and general lack of control for hours after watching Nickelodeon.
Consequently, I have banned TV in my house.
It was a few days of tantrums, but he's gotten over it, and the improvement in behavior is astonishing.I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us.
Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.
"Down with censorship" and "down with psychologically and socially destructive media" are NOT mutually exclusive in the same way that "down with government control" and "down with harming your neighbor" are also not mutually exclusive.
Lets grow up past the idea that any control of media that has a negative social impact is censorship and should be fought.
Media *can* have a negative impact on social behavior and mental health.
Get over it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364174</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1267703820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As a parent I applaud the effort.</p></div> </blockquote><p> How so?  It is *your job* as a parent to raise your kids and it is not the government's job to harass the rest of us.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a parent I applaud the effort .
How so ?
It is * your job * as a parent to raise your kids and it is not the government 's job to harass the rest of us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent I applaud the effort.
How so?
It is *your job* as a parent to raise your kids and it is not the government's job to harass the rest of us.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31369108</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Bat Dude</author>
	<datestamp>1267788780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As An Australian I am woundering  if we could deport one of our polies to help out!  Atkinson comes to mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As An Australian I am woundering if we could deport one of our polies to help out !
Atkinson comes to mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As An Australian I am woundering  if we could deport one of our polies to help out!
Atkinson comes to mind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364238</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1267704060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As a gamer this saddens me. As a parent I applaud the effort.</p></div></blockquote><p>As a parent, you seem to be a reactionary retard that applauds "For the Children" campaigns mindlessly w/o considering the true motives of the people behind it nor the true societal burden/value of your perceived ideeal solution.</p><p>I would venture on the whole of society, violent games have a cathartic effect rather than a columbine one.  Humans don't like rainbows and everyone being happy, they are attracted to violence and strife.  If the games don't give it to them, they'll turn elsewhere.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As a gamer this saddens me .
As a parent I applaud the effort.As a parent , you seem to be a reactionary retard that applauds " For the Children " campaigns mindlessly w/o considering the true motives of the people behind it nor the true societal burden/value of your perceived ideeal solution.I would venture on the whole of society , violent games have a cathartic effect rather than a columbine one .
Humans do n't like rainbows and everyone being happy , they are attracted to violence and strife .
If the games do n't give it to them , they 'll turn elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a gamer this saddens me.
As a parent I applaud the effort.As a parent, you seem to be a reactionary retard that applauds "For the Children" campaigns mindlessly w/o considering the true motives of the people behind it nor the true societal burden/value of your perceived ideeal solution.I would venture on the whole of society, violent games have a cathartic effect rather than a columbine one.
Humans don't like rainbows and everyone being happy, they are attracted to violence and strife.
If the games don't give it to them, they'll turn elsewhere.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>hugo...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267702920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the benevolent dictator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the benevolent dictator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the benevolent dictator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365086</id>
	<title>Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267707960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't use foreign words that you can't spell. It makes you look like a moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't use foreign words that you ca n't spell .
It makes you look like a moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't use foreign words that you can't spell.
It makes you look like a moron.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364386</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267704660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>when will people like you learn that banning expression does not ban the action it represents. if anything, banning the exprsesion makes it all that much more likely for violence to be committed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when will people like you learn that banning expression does not ban the action it represents .
if anything , banning the exprsesion makes it all that much more likely for violence to be committed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when will people like you learn that banning expression does not ban the action it represents.
if anything, banning the exprsesion makes it all that much more likely for violence to be committed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31367928</id>
	<title>Family-Free Community</title>
	<author>Black Gold Alchemist</author>
	<datestamp>1267730520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a parent I applaud the effort.</p></div><p>

This attitude is really, really annoying to those of us who do not want children, do not have them, and do not want things to be child safe. What we need is a child-free community. I don't mean "no one under 18 can be here". I mean "you do not have a right to have a child. you cannot demand anything laws, products, rules, or actions as a result of your choice to have a child." I would move to this community in a day. So would a lot of people who are tired of the continuous whining about safety, media violence, and all the other bullshit. Were just tired of being expected to raise everyone else's kids.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a parent I applaud the effort .
This attitude is really , really annoying to those of us who do not want children , do not have them , and do not want things to be child safe .
What we need is a child-free community .
I do n't mean " no one under 18 can be here " .
I mean " you do not have a right to have a child .
you can not demand anything laws , products , rules , or actions as a result of your choice to have a child .
" I would move to this community in a day .
So would a lot of people who are tired of the continuous whining about safety , media violence , and all the other bullshit .
Were just tired of being expected to raise everyone else 's kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent I applaud the effort.
This attitude is really, really annoying to those of us who do not want children, do not have them, and do not want things to be child safe.
What we need is a child-free community.
I don't mean "no one under 18 can be here".
I mean "you do not have a right to have a child.
you cannot demand anything laws, products, rules, or actions as a result of your choice to have a child.
" I would move to this community in a day.
So would a lot of people who are tired of the continuous whining about safety, media violence, and all the other bullshit.
Were just tired of being expected to raise everyone else's kids.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31372184</id>
	<title>Parental Responsibility</title>
	<author>gpronger</author>
	<datestamp>1267810200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AS much as I agree with this overall sentiment, I have a significant issue with the lack of parental responsibility; if the parent doesn't want little Johnny playing this stuff; don't buy it! Parenting isn't about being your kids best friend; it's about being a parent; and if you're doing your job, the little buggers are going to be angry and pissed, and say stuff like "but all the other kids have them". I have a very good word, which my kids (6) did learn and more importantly come to understand the finer subtlety of the word "BULLSHIT". A second good word is simply "No". <br> <br>
The problem I have with nearly all of the first person shooter games, is that you're nearly invulnerable. And in the real world you're killing real people. One of my kids had been over at a friends house (middle school age) and when they wandered back to mine they had been playing one of the current first person shooter WWII games. And it was great fun. So, I called the kid's house, got permission, and had them watch a few episodes of "Band of Brothers", and made them listen to the commentary of the guys who were there. <br> <br>
I guess the question to the cognitive neuroscientist is; why the fuck are so many parents; not parenting? What type of dementia do we suffer as a society that we for whatever reason believe that giving a kid whatever he asks for is the right thing to do?</htmltext>
<tokenext>AS much as I agree with this overall sentiment , I have a significant issue with the lack of parental responsibility ; if the parent does n't want little Johnny playing this stuff ; do n't buy it !
Parenting is n't about being your kids best friend ; it 's about being a parent ; and if you 're doing your job , the little buggers are going to be angry and pissed , and say stuff like " but all the other kids have them " .
I have a very good word , which my kids ( 6 ) did learn and more importantly come to understand the finer subtlety of the word " BULLSHIT " .
A second good word is simply " No " .
The problem I have with nearly all of the first person shooter games , is that you 're nearly invulnerable .
And in the real world you 're killing real people .
One of my kids had been over at a friends house ( middle school age ) and when they wandered back to mine they had been playing one of the current first person shooter WWII games .
And it was great fun .
So , I called the kid 's house , got permission , and had them watch a few episodes of " Band of Brothers " , and made them listen to the commentary of the guys who were there .
I guess the question to the cognitive neuroscientist is ; why the fuck are so many parents ; not parenting ?
What type of dementia do we suffer as a society that we for whatever reason believe that giving a kid whatever he asks for is the right thing to do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AS much as I agree with this overall sentiment, I have a significant issue with the lack of parental responsibility; if the parent doesn't want little Johnny playing this stuff; don't buy it!
Parenting isn't about being your kids best friend; it's about being a parent; and if you're doing your job, the little buggers are going to be angry and pissed, and say stuff like "but all the other kids have them".
I have a very good word, which my kids (6) did learn and more importantly come to understand the finer subtlety of the word "BULLSHIT".
A second good word is simply "No".
The problem I have with nearly all of the first person shooter games, is that you're nearly invulnerable.
And in the real world you're killing real people.
One of my kids had been over at a friends house (middle school age) and when they wandered back to mine they had been playing one of the current first person shooter WWII games.
And it was great fun.
So, I called the kid's house, got permission, and had them watch a few episodes of "Band of Brothers", and made them listen to the commentary of the guys who were there.
I guess the question to the cognitive neuroscientist is; why the fuck are so many parents; not parenting?
What type of dementia do we suffer as a society that we for whatever reason believe that giving a kid whatever he asks for is the right thing to do?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365152</id>
	<title>Violent video games? STRAIGHT TO JAIL!</title>
	<author>IronChef</author>
	<datestamp>1267708320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W\_iygNwIr-k" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W\_iygNwIr-k</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>Game designers? We have a special jail for game designers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = W \ _iygNwIr-k [ youtube.com ] Game designers ?
We have a special jail for game designers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W\_iygNwIr-k [youtube.com]Game designers?
We have a special jail for game designers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364362</id>
	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267704540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is how most dictators start out. Then they push for "reforms" that allow them to remain in office indefinitely and rig the elections. And that is exactly what he has done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is how most dictators start out .
Then they push for " reforms " that allow them to remain in office indefinitely and rig the elections .
And that is exactly what he has done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is how most dictators start out.
Then they push for "reforms" that allow them to remain in office indefinitely and rig the elections.
And that is exactly what he has done.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31372850</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267813740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And yet, THOSE SHOWS ARE NOT BANNED!</p><p>Tv stations / cable networks / etc can freely run em over and over and over.<br>What's easier for a parent, not buying violent games, or monitoring everything your kid watches 24/7 ?<br>Moreso, why the hell do I have to pay for it? All they're doing is enforcing piracy (since I can't buy them gamez) and stupidity. I'd probably go to jail if I tried to by a freaking RISK since it has cannon pieces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet , THOSE SHOWS ARE NOT BANNED ! Tv stations / cable networks / etc can freely run em over and over and over.What 's easier for a parent , not buying violent games , or monitoring everything your kid watches 24/7 ? Moreso , why the hell do I have to pay for it ?
All they 're doing is enforcing piracy ( since I ca n't buy them gamez ) and stupidity .
I 'd probably go to jail if I tried to by a freaking RISK since it has cannon pieces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet, THOSE SHOWS ARE NOT BANNED!Tv stations / cable networks / etc can freely run em over and over and over.What's easier for a parent, not buying violent games, or monitoring everything your kid watches 24/7 ?Moreso, why the hell do I have to pay for it?
All they're doing is enforcing piracy (since I can't buy them gamez) and stupidity.
I'd probably go to jail if I tried to by a freaking RISK since it has cannon pieces.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31367012</id>
	<title>Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing?</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1267722180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA: "This legislation defines as aggressive every audiovisual material promoting and inciting violence, the use of weapons and <b>toys imitating weapons</b> or stimulating violence and hate."
<p>
So... next time a pack of 2nd graders make toy guns from sticks and play "soldiers" in a vacant lot, they'll all go to jail??
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " This legislation defines as aggressive every audiovisual material promoting and inciting violence , the use of weapons and toys imitating weapons or stimulating violence and hate .
" So... next time a pack of 2nd graders make toy guns from sticks and play " soldiers " in a vacant lot , they 'll all go to jail ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "This legislation defines as aggressive every audiovisual material promoting and inciting violence, the use of weapons and toys imitating weapons or stimulating violence and hate.
"

So... next time a pack of 2nd graders make toy guns from sticks and play "soldiers" in a vacant lot, they'll all go to jail?
?
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364028</id>
	<title>Is This Really A Bad Thing?</title>
	<author>WrongSizeGlass</author>
	<datestamp>1267703160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they have no video games they'll go outside and play<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and then encounter other children who are being forced to have 'fun'<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... which of course will result in some altercations<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... a percentage of these will be violent<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and viola! They no longer need video games to incite violent behavior. Problem solved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they have no video games they 'll go outside and play ... and then encounter other children who are being forced to have 'fun ' ... which of course will result in some altercations ... a percentage of these will be violent ... and viola !
They no longer need video games to incite violent behavior .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have no video games they'll go outside and play ... and then encounter other children who are being forced to have 'fun' ... which of course will result in some altercations ... a percentage of these will be violent ... and viola!
They no longer need video games to incite violent behavior.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
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	<title>finally proof within a year</title>
	<author>shnull</author>
	<datestamp>1267731480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that banning videogames will get rid of crime, drugs AND slums alltogether<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... what are these people ? christian OR muslim-fundamentalists ?

no, let me guess<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... they're hippies in disguise<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>that banning videogames will get rid of crime , drugs AND slums alltogether ... what are these people ?
christian OR muslim-fundamentalists ?
no , let me guess ... they 're hippies in disguise .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that banning videogames will get rid of crime, drugs AND slums alltogether ... what are these people ?
christian OR muslim-fundamentalists ?
no, let me guess ... they're hippies in disguise ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31376866</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>jdcope</author>
	<datestamp>1267791360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Then you as a parent have done your job. Because thats exactly what this is, a PARENTING issue.

The government should butt the fuck out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you as a parent have done your job .
Because thats exactly what this is , a PARENTING issue .
The government should butt the fuck out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you as a parent have done your job.
Because thats exactly what this is, a PARENTING issue.
The government should butt the fuck out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31366570</id>
	<title>Hostile Videogames and Toys?</title>
	<author>skywire</author>
	<datestamp>1267719240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When a headline writer can employ the incoherent phrase "hostile videogames and toys" with a straight face, the battle is already lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When a headline writer can employ the incoherent phrase " hostile videogames and toys " with a straight face , the battle is already lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a headline writer can employ the incoherent phrase "hostile videogames and toys" with a straight face, the battle is already lost.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365444</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>IgnoramusMaximus</author>
	<datestamp>1267710240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As a parent, let alone a human being, you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Many of us who follow global politics are quite aware of who Chavez is. It is you who seem to have a rather narrow field of vision based on highly biased personal contacts.</p><blockquote><div><p>I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, his usurping of power, his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had, etc.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>So you work with people who were very likely well-off (comparatively) in Venezuela (who are also the type to most likely flee from Chavez) and whose family's wealth could be very likely traced to slaughter, slavery and other similar pleasantries perpetrated on the locals by their European ancestors. Unfortunately for them, unlike the situation in the USA where almost a complete genocide of the locals was carried out, the completely impoverished indigenous "lesser people" are an actual majority in places like Venezuela. And while keeping them down was a lovely past-time of all sorts of tin-pot tyrants with warm-hearted support of Uncle Sam and more importantly massive US-based conglomerates, some "mistakes" (such as implementing an actual democratic process coupled with an over-estimation of influence of the moneyed-owned media) resulted in an "oops": election of a charismatic indigenous leader whose popularity amongst the most poor indigenous Venezuelans is somewhere around 80\%.</p><blockquote><div><p>Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people. This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Which people? Surely the aristocratic rich, the descendants of colonial plantation owners, the well-to-do businessmen whose profit depend on exploitation of the locals are mad as hell at him for screwing up their racket. The indigenous poor on the other hand see him mostly as a great hero. Guess which section of the population constitutes majority.
</p><p>Oppression? He "oppressed" all the rich by putting their taxes into education for the "filthy" aboriginals, he "oppressed" oil cartels by taking Venezuela's oil and using it to pay for medical care for the same "uppity" locals who do not know any better to be just happy in their place as plantation workers and maids in extravagant mansions of the likes of your friends in the US.
</p><p>Chavez is what happens when a small ethnic minority with a checkered colonial past hoards all the wealth of a nation and flaunts it in the face of impoverished aboriginals and where the democratic process is even partially operational - sooner or later the majority manages to elect someone on their side. Sometimes the "mistake" of the democratically elected leader can be "taken back" (see Thailand and how a band of army thugs backed by aristocracy and the rich managed to remove any last vestiges of democracy that threatened them because of impoverished majority<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... in the name of "freedom" and "democracy" of course - Orwell must be chuckling somewhere), sometimes Uncle Sam lend a "helping" hand in form of some CIA assassins or a funding for a coup<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but then sometimes these tactics fail and the result is what is going on in Venezuela.
</p><p>Is Chavez a good leader, is he wise, are his policies sustainable? Probably not. Does he abuse his power? That highly depends on whose side you are on. But he is in power not because of anything he managed to do himself, but because he is the first <b>ever</b> person in power in Venezuela of whom the impoverished majority can truly say of "he is one of us - he is trying to do good by us", irrespective of him being actually able to do it. And at the moment it is <b>all</b> that counts over there. It will take a truly monumental screwup to destroy his popularity amongst these people who have been left starving and in the cold by the likes of your "friends" for decades upon decades.
</p><p>Also note that the screed on which this article is based (like most of anti-Chavez hysteria) comes from a perfect example of the kind of person whom Chavez "oppressed": a very rich descendant of an European colonial who on top of that used to run a TV station pretty much dedicated to supremacist ideologies based around the idea that some people are simply "entitled" to their status in Venezuela and the uppity farm-hands should keep their dirt-covered noses out of Venezuelan politics, which should remain an exclusive domain of the purely-bred moneyed. It is also no coincidence that this sort of "freedom lover" is welcomed with opened arms by certain segments of US political landscape - the same sort who sought to deal with a similar situation in Nicaragua via the means of raping and pillaging death-squad butchers called "The Contras" and didn't mind selling some stuff to Iran to fund it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a parent , let alone a human being , you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country .
Many of us who follow global politics are quite aware of who Chavez is .
It is you who seem to have a rather narrow field of vision based on highly biased personal contacts.I work with person from Venezuela , his family is here ( U.S. ) from Venezuela and they are all , everyone , completely opposed to mad-man , his usurping of power , his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had , etc .
So you work with people who were very likely well-off ( comparatively ) in Venezuela ( who are also the type to most likely flee from Chavez ) and whose family 's wealth could be very likely traced to slaughter , slavery and other similar pleasantries perpetrated on the locals by their European ancestors .
Unfortunately for them , unlike the situation in the USA where almost a complete genocide of the locals was carried out , the completely impoverished indigenous " lesser people " are an actual majority in places like Venezuela .
And while keeping them down was a lovely past-time of all sorts of tin-pot tyrants with warm-hearted support of Uncle Sam and more importantly massive US-based conglomerates , some " mistakes " ( such as implementing an actual democratic process coupled with an over-estimation of influence of the moneyed-owned media ) resulted in an " oops " : election of a charismatic indigenous leader whose popularity amongst the most poor indigenous Venezuelans is somewhere around 80 \ % .Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people .
This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people .
Which people ?
Surely the aristocratic rich , the descendants of colonial plantation owners , the well-to-do businessmen whose profit depend on exploitation of the locals are mad as hell at him for screwing up their racket .
The indigenous poor on the other hand see him mostly as a great hero .
Guess which section of the population constitutes majority .
Oppression ? He " oppressed " all the rich by putting their taxes into education for the " filthy " aboriginals , he " oppressed " oil cartels by taking Venezuela 's oil and using it to pay for medical care for the same " uppity " locals who do not know any better to be just happy in their place as plantation workers and maids in extravagant mansions of the likes of your friends in the US .
Chavez is what happens when a small ethnic minority with a checkered colonial past hoards all the wealth of a nation and flaunts it in the face of impoverished aboriginals and where the democratic process is even partially operational - sooner or later the majority manages to elect someone on their side .
Sometimes the " mistake " of the democratically elected leader can be " taken back " ( see Thailand and how a band of army thugs backed by aristocracy and the rich managed to remove any last vestiges of democracy that threatened them because of impoverished majority ... in the name of " freedom " and " democracy " of course - Orwell must be chuckling somewhere ) , sometimes Uncle Sam lend a " helping " hand in form of some CIA assassins or a funding for a coup ... but then sometimes these tactics fail and the result is what is going on in Venezuela .
Is Chavez a good leader , is he wise , are his policies sustainable ?
Probably not .
Does he abuse his power ?
That highly depends on whose side you are on .
But he is in power not because of anything he managed to do himself , but because he is the first ever person in power in Venezuela of whom the impoverished majority can truly say of " he is one of us - he is trying to do good by us " , irrespective of him being actually able to do it .
And at the moment it is all that counts over there .
It will take a truly monumental screwup to destroy his popularity amongst these people who have been left starving and in the cold by the likes of your " friends " for decades upon decades .
Also note that the screed on which this article is based ( like most of anti-Chavez hysteria ) comes from a perfect example of the kind of person whom Chavez " oppressed " : a very rich descendant of an European colonial who on top of that used to run a TV station pretty much dedicated to supremacist ideologies based around the idea that some people are simply " entitled " to their status in Venezuela and the uppity farm-hands should keep their dirt-covered noses out of Venezuelan politics , which should remain an exclusive domain of the purely-bred moneyed .
It is also no coincidence that this sort of " freedom lover " is welcomed with opened arms by certain segments of US political landscape - the same sort who sought to deal with a similar situation in Nicaragua via the means of raping and pillaging death-squad butchers called " The Contras " and did n't mind selling some stuff to Iran to fund it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent, let alone a human being, you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country.
Many of us who follow global politics are quite aware of who Chavez is.
It is you who seem to have a rather narrow field of vision based on highly biased personal contacts.I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, his usurping of power, his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had, etc.
So you work with people who were very likely well-off (comparatively) in Venezuela (who are also the type to most likely flee from Chavez) and whose family's wealth could be very likely traced to slaughter, slavery and other similar pleasantries perpetrated on the locals by their European ancestors.
Unfortunately for them, unlike the situation in the USA where almost a complete genocide of the locals was carried out, the completely impoverished indigenous "lesser people" are an actual majority in places like Venezuela.
And while keeping them down was a lovely past-time of all sorts of tin-pot tyrants with warm-hearted support of Uncle Sam and more importantly massive US-based conglomerates, some "mistakes" (such as implementing an actual democratic process coupled with an over-estimation of influence of the moneyed-owned media) resulted in an "oops": election of a charismatic indigenous leader whose popularity amongst the most poor indigenous Venezuelans is somewhere around 80\%.Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people.
This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people.
Which people?
Surely the aristocratic rich, the descendants of colonial plantation owners, the well-to-do businessmen whose profit depend on exploitation of the locals are mad as hell at him for screwing up their racket.
The indigenous poor on the other hand see him mostly as a great hero.
Guess which section of the population constitutes majority.
Oppression? He "oppressed" all the rich by putting their taxes into education for the "filthy" aboriginals, he "oppressed" oil cartels by taking Venezuela's oil and using it to pay for medical care for the same "uppity" locals who do not know any better to be just happy in their place as plantation workers and maids in extravagant mansions of the likes of your friends in the US.
Chavez is what happens when a small ethnic minority with a checkered colonial past hoards all the wealth of a nation and flaunts it in the face of impoverished aboriginals and where the democratic process is even partially operational - sooner or later the majority manages to elect someone on their side.
Sometimes the "mistake" of the democratically elected leader can be "taken back" (see Thailand and how a band of army thugs backed by aristocracy and the rich managed to remove any last vestiges of democracy that threatened them because of impoverished majority ... in the name of "freedom" and "democracy" of course - Orwell must be chuckling somewhere), sometimes Uncle Sam lend a "helping" hand in form of some CIA assassins or a funding for a coup ... but then sometimes these tactics fail and the result is what is going on in Venezuela.
Is Chavez a good leader, is he wise, are his policies sustainable?
Probably not.
Does he abuse his power?
That highly depends on whose side you are on.
But he is in power not because of anything he managed to do himself, but because he is the first ever person in power in Venezuela of whom the impoverished majority can truly say of "he is one of us - he is trying to do good by us", irrespective of him being actually able to do it.
And at the moment it is all that counts over there.
It will take a truly monumental screwup to destroy his popularity amongst these people who have been left starving and in the cold by the likes of your "friends" for decades upon decades.
Also note that the screed on which this article is based (like most of anti-Chavez hysteria) comes from a perfect example of the kind of person whom Chavez "oppressed": a very rich descendant of an European colonial who on top of that used to run a TV station pretty much dedicated to supremacist ideologies based around the idea that some people are simply "entitled" to their status in Venezuela and the uppity farm-hands should keep their dirt-covered noses out of Venezuelan politics, which should remain an exclusive domain of the purely-bred moneyed.
It is also no coincidence that this sort of "freedom lover" is welcomed with opened arms by certain segments of US political landscape - the same sort who sought to deal with a similar situation in Nicaragua via the means of raping and pillaging death-squad butchers called "The Contras" and didn't mind selling some stuff to Iran to fund it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365498</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>Chosen Reject</author>
	<datestamp>1267710540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are more than welcome to think what you want.  Please explain this: <a href="http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/violence\_and\_videogames" title="gamerevolution.com" rel="nofollow">Youth violence is at its lowest levels in a long time.</a> [gamerevolution.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are more than welcome to think what you want .
Please explain this : Youth violence is at its lowest levels in a long time .
[ gamerevolution.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are more than welcome to think what you want.
Please explain this: Youth violence is at its lowest levels in a long time.
[gamerevolution.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Mod parent up!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267787280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad we don't read that kind of comment more often on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad we do n't read that kind of comment more often on / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad we don't read that kind of comment more often on /.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31366914</id>
	<title>What about...</title>
	<author>Illogical Spock</author>
	<datestamp>1267721640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...Venezuela banning this idiot Chavez for good?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Venezuela banning this idiot Chavez for good ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Venezuela banning this idiot Chavez for good?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31372052</id>
	<title>Missing the point</title>
	<author>Fdisk81</author>
	<datestamp>1267809660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What nobody in the free world realizes is that this has nothing to do with violent videogames or protecting children.  This is all about controlling all means of information and outside influences.  It's just one of the many steps the Venezuelan government is using to control the way the Venezuelan people think.  I know it sounds like something out of 1984; but as someone who was born in Cuba and then lived in Venezuela, I assure you, this is simply one more way of indoctrinating people from a young age.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What nobody in the free world realizes is that this has nothing to do with violent videogames or protecting children .
This is all about controlling all means of information and outside influences .
It 's just one of the many steps the Venezuelan government is using to control the way the Venezuelan people think .
I know it sounds like something out of 1984 ; but as someone who was born in Cuba and then lived in Venezuela , I assure you , this is simply one more way of indoctrinating people from a young age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What nobody in the free world realizes is that this has nothing to do with violent videogames or protecting children.
This is all about controlling all means of information and outside influences.
It's just one of the many steps the Venezuelan government is using to control the way the Venezuelan people think.
I know it sounds like something out of 1984; but as someone who was born in Cuba and then lived in Venezuela, I assure you, this is simply one more way of indoctrinating people from a young age.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364138</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Virak</author>
	<datestamp>1267703580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a parent you applaud them giving out time in prison for the "production, distribution, sale, hiring and use" of violent video games for <i>everyone</i>, in the name of 'protecting the <i>children</i>', even when there's no evidence of it harming anyone? The whole thing is ridiculous on multiple levels. You shouldn't be applauding factually baseless think-of-the-children moral panic laws imposing harsh punishments and broad restrictions of the rights of others even as a parent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a parent you applaud them giving out time in prison for the " production , distribution , sale , hiring and use " of violent video games for everyone , in the name of 'protecting the children ' , even when there 's no evidence of it harming anyone ?
The whole thing is ridiculous on multiple levels .
You should n't be applauding factually baseless think-of-the-children moral panic laws imposing harsh punishments and broad restrictions of the rights of others even as a parent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent you applaud them giving out time in prison for the "production, distribution, sale, hiring and use" of violent video games for everyone, in the name of 'protecting the children', even when there's no evidence of it harming anyone?
The whole thing is ridiculous on multiple levels.
You shouldn't be applauding factually baseless think-of-the-children moral panic laws imposing harsh punishments and broad restrictions of the rights of others even as a parent.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267705140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Okay, conspiracy theorists. If we are in the "Brave New World", where the fuck is my free drugs and obligatory orgies?</p><p>Haven't you seen the education and the fashion being promoted this days. Anyone advocating against drugs and orgies, is ridiculed. We may not be in "Brave New World" already, but we cannot be far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Okay , conspiracy theorists .
If we are in the " Brave New World " , where the fuck is my free drugs and obligatory orgies ? Have n't you seen the education and the fashion being promoted this days .
Anyone advocating against drugs and orgies , is ridiculed .
We may not be in " Brave New World " already , but we can not be far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Okay, conspiracy theorists.
If we are in the "Brave New World", where the fuck is my free drugs and obligatory orgies?Haven't you seen the education and the fashion being promoted this days.
Anyone advocating against drugs and orgies, is ridiculed.
We may not be in "Brave New World" already, but we cannot be far.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364114</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267703520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about as a parent you watch your fucking kids and leave everyone else alone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about as a parent you watch your fucking kids and leave everyone else alone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about as a parent you watch your fucking kids and leave everyone else alone?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365084</id>
	<title>Promote gaming variety</title>
	<author>ubergeek65536</author>
	<datestamp>1267707960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a fan of censorship but I'd love it if my government made it more difficult for kids to get realistic war games.</p><p>Everyone I know that favours FPS games are under 25.  It seems the older crowd prefers RPG and RTS.  I guess my age group (40+) just doesn't make up much of the gaming market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a fan of censorship but I 'd love it if my government made it more difficult for kids to get realistic war games.Everyone I know that favours FPS games are under 25 .
It seems the older crowd prefers RPG and RTS .
I guess my age group ( 40 + ) just does n't make up much of the gaming market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a fan of censorship but I'd love it if my government made it more difficult for kids to get realistic war games.Everyone I know that favours FPS games are under 25.
It seems the older crowd prefers RPG and RTS.
I guess my age group (40+) just doesn't make up much of the gaming market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31367516</id>
	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267726140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hitler was democratically elected president.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hitler was democratically elected president .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hitler was democratically elected president.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364128</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267703580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a parent, I lament losing the opportunity to be able to teach my child right from wrong and instead having state opinions foisted upon children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a parent , I lament losing the opportunity to be able to teach my child right from wrong and instead having state opinions foisted upon children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent, I lament losing the opportunity to be able to teach my child right from wrong and instead having state opinions foisted upon children.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31366708</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1267720320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Violence in media is not the issue, its the acceptance of violence as a resolution in society that it.<br> <br>

I know a guy growing up, extreme fundamentalist family who filtered everything he watched, as 12 yr olds when we started watching Aliens and Terminator he was barely permitted to watch Blinky Bill. He was shipped off to a religious school as soon as was permissible and the last I heard, he'd spend his life since 18 in and out of rehab. His family of course pretends he's dead.<br> <br>

An anecdote yes but with a point, his parents neglected their responsibilities to prepare him for the real world. Violence is part of the real world and parents need to teach their children how to respond to it. This means teaching them the results of violence. Not all portrayed violence is bad, your examples of Saw and Hostel are extremes but when you look at other examples, even action movies like Terminator and Batman they portray the repercussions of violence (people getting hurt) and are meant to invoke the correct emotions associated with this (empathy, pity, fear).<br> <br>

There is also the difference between real violence and fantasy violence, games like COD which are fairly mature do not portray things in a very realistic manner, that being said it's still unsuitable for a young child (less then 12). Once again it is the responsibility of the parent to ensure a child can tell the difference between fantasy and reality the same as right and wrong. A lot of games do not have you fighting other people (humans) rather using a proxy (aliens, zombies, nazi's) to obviously abstract the idea of harming other people in the minds of the player.<br> <br>

In the west, we are fairly lucky (esp here in AU) where violence is not prevalent because it is not accepted. If we look at places like Thailand, culturally maintaining face is important, one way to do this is to simply kill the person who made you lose it. As violence is repugnant to the Thais and admitting to violent society would be a loss of face they simply turn a blind eye to this, ending up with one of the highest murder rates in the world. I'd be willing to bet there are similar stories of a social acceptance of violence in South Africa and Venezuela.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us .
Violence in media is not the issue , its the acceptance of violence as a resolution in society that it .
I know a guy growing up , extreme fundamentalist family who filtered everything he watched , as 12 yr olds when we started watching Aliens and Terminator he was barely permitted to watch Blinky Bill .
He was shipped off to a religious school as soon as was permissible and the last I heard , he 'd spend his life since 18 in and out of rehab .
His family of course pretends he 's dead .
An anecdote yes but with a point , his parents neglected their responsibilities to prepare him for the real world .
Violence is part of the real world and parents need to teach their children how to respond to it .
This means teaching them the results of violence .
Not all portrayed violence is bad , your examples of Saw and Hostel are extremes but when you look at other examples , even action movies like Terminator and Batman they portray the repercussions of violence ( people getting hurt ) and are meant to invoke the correct emotions associated with this ( empathy , pity , fear ) .
There is also the difference between real violence and fantasy violence , games like COD which are fairly mature do not portray things in a very realistic manner , that being said it 's still unsuitable for a young child ( less then 12 ) .
Once again it is the responsibility of the parent to ensure a child can tell the difference between fantasy and reality the same as right and wrong .
A lot of games do not have you fighting other people ( humans ) rather using a proxy ( aliens , zombies , nazi 's ) to obviously abstract the idea of harming other people in the minds of the player .
In the west , we are fairly lucky ( esp here in AU ) where violence is not prevalent because it is not accepted .
If we look at places like Thailand , culturally maintaining face is important , one way to do this is to simply kill the person who made you lose it .
As violence is repugnant to the Thais and admitting to violent society would be a loss of face they simply turn a blind eye to this , ending up with one of the highest murder rates in the world .
I 'd be willing to bet there are similar stories of a social acceptance of violence in South Africa and Venezuela .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us.
Violence in media is not the issue, its the acceptance of violence as a resolution in society that it.
I know a guy growing up, extreme fundamentalist family who filtered everything he watched, as 12 yr olds when we started watching Aliens and Terminator he was barely permitted to watch Blinky Bill.
He was shipped off to a religious school as soon as was permissible and the last I heard, he'd spend his life since 18 in and out of rehab.
His family of course pretends he's dead.
An anecdote yes but with a point, his parents neglected their responsibilities to prepare him for the real world.
Violence is part of the real world and parents need to teach their children how to respond to it.
This means teaching them the results of violence.
Not all portrayed violence is bad, your examples of Saw and Hostel are extremes but when you look at other examples, even action movies like Terminator and Batman they portray the repercussions of violence (people getting hurt) and are meant to invoke the correct emotions associated with this (empathy, pity, fear).
There is also the difference between real violence and fantasy violence, games like COD which are fairly mature do not portray things in a very realistic manner, that being said it's still unsuitable for a young child (less then 12).
Once again it is the responsibility of the parent to ensure a child can tell the difference between fantasy and reality the same as right and wrong.
A lot of games do not have you fighting other people (humans) rather using a proxy (aliens, zombies, nazi's) to obviously abstract the idea of harming other people in the minds of the player.
In the west, we are fairly lucky (esp here in AU) where violence is not prevalent because it is not accepted.
If we look at places like Thailand, culturally maintaining face is important, one way to do this is to simply kill the person who made you lose it.
As violence is repugnant to the Thais and admitting to violent society would be a loss of face they simply turn a blind eye to this, ending up with one of the highest murder rates in the world.
I'd be willing to bet there are similar stories of a social acceptance of violence in South Africa and Venezuela.
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	<title>When games attack</title>
	<author>volpanic</author>
	<datestamp>1267709160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a game or toy started to be hostile I'd probably want to ban it too.<br> <br>

Aside from the weird word usage, this is just another example of games being in that comic-book ghetto of being "for kids." That hasn't really been true for a long time. <br> <br>

If ratings aren't enough to guide people to buy age-appropriate entertainment in general, then do they intend to start banning books, movies, and other media that may depict war or violence? Probably not, but I guess no one cares about being consistent in these matters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a game or toy started to be hostile I 'd probably want to ban it too .
Aside from the weird word usage , this is just another example of games being in that comic-book ghetto of being " for kids .
" That has n't really been true for a long time .
If ratings are n't enough to guide people to buy age-appropriate entertainment in general , then do they intend to start banning books , movies , and other media that may depict war or violence ?
Probably not , but I guess no one cares about being consistent in these matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a game or toy started to be hostile I'd probably want to ban it too.
Aside from the weird word usage, this is just another example of games being in that comic-book ghetto of being "for kids.
" That hasn't really been true for a long time.
If ratings aren't enough to guide people to buy age-appropriate entertainment in general, then do they intend to start banning books, movies, and other media that may depict war or violence?
Probably not, but I guess no one cares about being consistent in these matters.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364240</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1267704060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a parent, let alone a human being, you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country.</p><p>I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, his usurping of power, his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had, etc.</p><p>Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people. This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a parent , let alone a human being , you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country.I work with person from Venezuela , his family is here ( U.S. ) from Venezuela and they are all , everyone , completely opposed to mad-man , his usurping of power , his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had , etc.Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people .
This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent, let alone a human being, you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country.I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, his usurping of power, his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had, etc.Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people.
This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364268</id>
	<title>Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing?</title>
	<author>tecnico.hitos</author>
	<datestamp>1267704180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but what about me? I am an adult and I want to play video games.</p><p>Will they ban violent and pornographic graphic novels? What about movies and TV shows? What about books and songs?</p><p>It always infuriates me whan video game is treated like a lesser medium, like it is something for kids. Even if it was, those same kids can find examples of bad conduct in any other medium.</p><p>On a second thought, I think I might have failed to notice the sarcasm of parent post, but my opinion stays the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but what about me ?
I am an adult and I want to play video games.Will they ban violent and pornographic graphic novels ?
What about movies and TV shows ?
What about books and songs ? It always infuriates me whan video game is treated like a lesser medium , like it is something for kids .
Even if it was , those same kids can find examples of bad conduct in any other medium.On a second thought , I think I might have failed to notice the sarcasm of parent post , but my opinion stays the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but what about me?
I am an adult and I want to play video games.Will they ban violent and pornographic graphic novels?
What about movies and TV shows?
What about books and songs?It always infuriates me whan video game is treated like a lesser medium, like it is something for kids.
Even if it was, those same kids can find examples of bad conduct in any other medium.On a second thought, I think I might have failed to notice the sarcasm of parent post, but my opinion stays the same.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31374428</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267820760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah! Lets not seize anything and have hard drugs, porno for kids (I hear a jingle with this) sold on the streets, and let no Tinpot dictator take these rights from your hands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah !
Lets not seize anything and have hard drugs , porno for kids ( I hear a jingle with this ) sold on the streets , and let no Tinpot dictator take these rights from your hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah!
Lets not seize anything and have hard drugs, porno for kids (I hear a jingle with this) sold on the streets, and let no Tinpot dictator take these rights from your hands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364026</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267703160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a gamer talking to a parent I ask you: WHy in hell do you want ME to suffer for YOU to educate YOUR CHILD in whichever way YOU decide?</p><p>Do I violent gamer have a say in how you educate your children? Then why do you advocate in favor of people telling ME how to educate MINE?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a gamer talking to a parent I ask you : WHy in hell do you want ME to suffer for YOU to educate YOUR CHILD in whichever way YOU decide ? Do I violent gamer have a say in how you educate your children ?
Then why do you advocate in favor of people telling ME how to educate MINE ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a gamer talking to a parent I ask you: WHy in hell do you want ME to suffer for YOU to educate YOUR CHILD in whichever way YOU decide?Do I violent gamer have a say in how you educate your children?
Then why do you advocate in favor of people telling ME how to educate MINE?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364000</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364876</id>
	<title>I'm bias-sensitive</title>
	<author>guspasho</author>
	<datestamp>1267706820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When it comes to news about Venezuela, I'm bias-sensitive. There's a political divide there that is ten times as vicious as it is here. With that in mind, I'm confused about this bit of the summary, "former director of opposing news network Globovision." How does that fit in context?</p><p>Also, I understand that Venezuela has the highest murder rate of any country in the world. That seems like some necessary context for a law that punishes things that appear to encourage violent behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When it comes to news about Venezuela , I 'm bias-sensitive .
There 's a political divide there that is ten times as vicious as it is here .
With that in mind , I 'm confused about this bit of the summary , " former director of opposing news network Globovision .
" How does that fit in context ? Also , I understand that Venezuela has the highest murder rate of any country in the world .
That seems like some necessary context for a law that punishes things that appear to encourage violent behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When it comes to news about Venezuela, I'm bias-sensitive.
There's a political divide there that is ten times as vicious as it is here.
With that in mind, I'm confused about this bit of the summary, "former director of opposing news network Globovision.
" How does that fit in context?Also, I understand that Venezuela has the highest murder rate of any country in the world.
That seems like some necessary context for a law that punishes things that appear to encourage violent behavior.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364020</id>
	<title>Story at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267703160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tinpot dictator does something stupid.  Story at 11.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tinpot dictator does something stupid .
Story at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tinpot dictator does something stupid.
Story at 11.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364908</id>
	<title>Look at the bright side!</title>
	<author>Grimbleton</author>
	<datestamp>1267707000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A country without hockey!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A country without hockey !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A country without hockey!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31376402</id>
	<title>Side note</title>
	<author>TheSync</author>
	<datestamp>1267788360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know a company that does business in Venezuela (note: I don't work for them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  They keep all of their expensive IT equipment in the US, and only use a satellite link to provide their services there.  They do this because they are too afraid to install much physical plant in Venezuela, lest it be appropriated by the government.  The recent power issues have also shown this strategy to be a good one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a company that does business in Venezuela ( note : I do n't work for them : ) They keep all of their expensive IT equipment in the US , and only use a satellite link to provide their services there .
They do this because they are too afraid to install much physical plant in Venezuela , lest it be appropriated by the government .
The recent power issues have also shown this strategy to be a good one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a company that does business in Venezuela (note: I don't work for them :)  They keep all of their expensive IT equipment in the US, and only use a satellite link to provide their services there.
They do this because they are too afraid to install much physical plant in Venezuela, lest it be appropriated by the government.
The recent power issues have also shown this strategy to be a good one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365306</id>
	<title>I'm All For it!</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1267709400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We need to stop teaching our kids violence and start teaching them love!
<p>
Which is why I'll shortly be pitching my new product line, "Fondle Me Elmo"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to stop teaching our kids violence and start teaching them love !
Which is why I 'll shortly be pitching my new product line , " Fondle Me Elmo "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to stop teaching our kids violence and start teaching them love!
Which is why I'll shortly be pitching my new product line, "Fondle Me Elmo"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365234</id>
	<title>Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing?</title>
	<author>BlackBloq</author>
	<datestamp>1267708800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My moms best friend banned all toy guns/violent stuff from her son. One day at dinner she heard him making a bang bang sound. When she looked over he was shooting with a gun he bit out of bread. She realized the futility of her actions and returned him to normal childhood. Plus we play as an extension of hunting to hone skills for killing! You think that kitten play with a leaf is just cute... it's pretending its an animal to kill! Kittens hate it when play object comes toward them in play... get an objects to run away and watch kitty go mad!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My moms best friend banned all toy guns/violent stuff from her son .
One day at dinner she heard him making a bang bang sound .
When she looked over he was shooting with a gun he bit out of bread .
She realized the futility of her actions and returned him to normal childhood .
Plus we play as an extension of hunting to hone skills for killing !
You think that kitten play with a leaf is just cute... it 's pretending its an animal to kill !
Kittens hate it when play object comes toward them in play... get an objects to run away and watch kitty go mad !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My moms best friend banned all toy guns/violent stuff from her son.
One day at dinner she heard him making a bang bang sound.
When she looked over he was shooting with a gun he bit out of bread.
She realized the futility of her actions and returned him to normal childhood.
Plus we play as an extension of hunting to hone skills for killing!
You think that kitten play with a leaf is just cute... it's pretending its an animal to kill!
Kittens hate it when play object comes toward them in play... get an objects to run away and watch kitty go mad!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364028</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31370698</id>
	<title>Re:Not a big deal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267803360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, that would explain why Chavez is so keen to get stuck into a war over the Falklands. Trying what Argentina did 28 years ago - "Look, theres something over here. Ignore the problems at home".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , that would explain why Chavez is so keen to get stuck into a war over the Falklands .
Trying what Argentina did 28 years ago - " Look , theres something over here .
Ignore the problems at home " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, that would explain why Chavez is so keen to get stuck into a war over the Falklands.
Trying what Argentina did 28 years ago - "Look, theres something over here.
Ignore the problems at home".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365488</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365146</id>
	<title>Re:Not really-- you are misinformed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267708260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chavez has more popularity than any president ever enjoyed with the US electorate.</p><p>The US spreads propaganda against him and his country.  The US even staged a coup to overthrow him.  All the corporate media in Venezuela were in on the coup.  Those in the corporate media who were part of the coup are all still free and broadcasting.  If it was the US, they would, at least, be in jail, but US has a death penalty for treason, so may even be dead.  Venezuela is far more free in many ways than the US.  Get informed (no excuse with the interwebs) folks have been lying to you.</p><p>There is even video of the entire coup (avail on google video), and the subsequent restoration of Chaves when the people stormed the presidential palace, and took back the government from the US backed military.</p><p>US media is all propaganda including their "best" supposedly least biased source, NPR (national propaganda radio).  It is apparent from yours and others misinformed comments that the propaganda is working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chavez has more popularity than any president ever enjoyed with the US electorate.The US spreads propaganda against him and his country .
The US even staged a coup to overthrow him .
All the corporate media in Venezuela were in on the coup .
Those in the corporate media who were part of the coup are all still free and broadcasting .
If it was the US , they would , at least , be in jail , but US has a death penalty for treason , so may even be dead .
Venezuela is far more free in many ways than the US .
Get informed ( no excuse with the interwebs ) folks have been lying to you.There is even video of the entire coup ( avail on google video ) , and the subsequent restoration of Chaves when the people stormed the presidential palace , and took back the government from the US backed military.US media is all propaganda including their " best " supposedly least biased source , NPR ( national propaganda radio ) .
It is apparent from yours and others misinformed comments that the propaganda is working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chavez has more popularity than any president ever enjoyed with the US electorate.The US spreads propaganda against him and his country.
The US even staged a coup to overthrow him.
All the corporate media in Venezuela were in on the coup.
Those in the corporate media who were part of the coup are all still free and broadcasting.
If it was the US, they would, at least, be in jail, but US has a death penalty for treason, so may even be dead.
Venezuela is far more free in many ways than the US.
Get informed (no excuse with the interwebs) folks have been lying to you.There is even video of the entire coup (avail on google video), and the subsequent restoration of Chaves when the people stormed the presidential palace, and took back the government from the US backed military.US media is all propaganda including their "best" supposedly least biased source, NPR (national propaganda radio).
It is apparent from yours and others misinformed comments that the propaganda is working.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364346</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365092</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267707960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why do you care if violent video games are banned?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why do you care if violent video games are banned ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why do you care if violent video games are banned?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364026</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31367004</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>OrwellianLurker</author>
	<datestamp>1267722180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about as a parent you don't buy your kids inappropriate content and you don't allow them to possess it?<p> In America, and many other western countries, there is a system for rating games based on their content. Minors cannot purchase some media, including movies, games-- so why should all of us be restricted as a result of your poor parenting?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about as a parent you do n't buy your kids inappropriate content and you do n't allow them to possess it ?
In America , and many other western countries , there is a system for rating games based on their content .
Minors can not purchase some media , including movies , games-- so why should all of us be restricted as a result of your poor parenting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about as a parent you don't buy your kids inappropriate content and you don't allow them to possess it?
In America, and many other western countries, there is a system for rating games based on their content.
Minors cannot purchase some media, including movies, games-- so why should all of us be restricted as a result of your poor parenting?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364000</id>
	<title>Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>DontLickJesus</author>
	<datestamp>1267703040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a gamer this saddens me. As a parent I applaud the effort. However, seizing the consoles seems overboard. Many non-violent games exist. Seize the games, not the consoles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a gamer this saddens me .
As a parent I applaud the effort .
However , seizing the consoles seems overboard .
Many non-violent games exist .
Seize the games , not the consoles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a gamer this saddens me.
As a parent I applaud the effort.
However, seizing the consoles seems overboard.
Many non-violent games exist.
Seize the games, not the consoles.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364332</id>
	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>pepeizquierdo</author>
	<datestamp>1267704420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, a tinpot democratically elected president who for 11 years has been subverting all those democratic principles that allowed him to be elected in the first place. This cancer called Chavez has destroyed Venezuela's democratic institutions. His only aim is to stay in power for as long as he can.

I don't think this will end well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , a tinpot democratically elected president who for 11 years has been subverting all those democratic principles that allowed him to be elected in the first place .
This cancer called Chavez has destroyed Venezuela 's democratic institutions .
His only aim is to stay in power for as long as he can .
I do n't think this will end well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, a tinpot democratically elected president who for 11 years has been subverting all those democratic principles that allowed him to be elected in the first place.
This cancer called Chavez has destroyed Venezuela's democratic institutions.
His only aim is to stay in power for as long as he can.
I don't think this will end well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364156</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31373662</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267817340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see that you have any problem with violent media - you stopped it in your house-hold and you've seen an improvement. What further improvement would you see from your nephew if it was banned altogether?</p><p>Oh wait I see, you think the same would apply to all other children everywhere in the world, and you don't feel that other parents should be given the choice you had over whether to ban in their households or not...</p><p>Well fuck you bud - my house, my choice, my rules - Get over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see that you have any problem with violent media - you stopped it in your house-hold and you 've seen an improvement .
What further improvement would you see from your nephew if it was banned altogether ? Oh wait I see , you think the same would apply to all other children everywhere in the world , and you do n't feel that other parents should be given the choice you had over whether to ban in their households or not...Well fuck you bud - my house , my choice , my rules - Get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see that you have any problem with violent media - you stopped it in your house-hold and you've seen an improvement.
What further improvement would you see from your nephew if it was banned altogether?Oh wait I see, you think the same would apply to all other children everywhere in the world, and you don't feel that other parents should be given the choice you had over whether to ban in their households or not...Well fuck you bud - my house, my choice, my rules - Get over it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364944</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364346</id>
	<title>Not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267704480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He was elected to being with, and that election seems to have been fair. However since then he has been taking increasingly underhanded methods of retaining power, stifling dissent and so on.</p><p>Do remember that a large number of dictators are elected to power initially. They then just misuse the power and suppress freedom. That someone was elected initially doesn't mean they aren't a dictator now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He was elected to being with , and that election seems to have been fair .
However since then he has been taking increasingly underhanded methods of retaining power , stifling dissent and so on.Do remember that a large number of dictators are elected to power initially .
They then just misuse the power and suppress freedom .
That someone was elected initially does n't mean they are n't a dictator now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was elected to being with, and that election seems to have been fair.
However since then he has been taking increasingly underhanded methods of retaining power, stifling dissent and so on.Do remember that a large number of dictators are elected to power initially.
They then just misuse the power and suppress freedom.
That someone was elected initially doesn't mean they aren't a dictator now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364156</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365680</id>
	<title>Referendum to revoke this</title>
	<author>Artemis3</author>
	<datestamp>1267711920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no seizing of consoles, that is a lie. However, this stupid law is true. In short, any sale, rent, distribution or even promotion of video games with any sort of "violence" in it, can get you 3 to 5 years in jail.</p><p>It is explained in the law proposal that this is meant to protect the children from violence, but there is no exception for adults. Yes, for ages 18+ porn is legal, prostitution is legal, bearing firearms (with permit) is legal, but video games? no sir.</p><p>Most game software companies will be unable to sell their products, the most affected are of course console games.</p><p>I oppose this law and <a href="http://www.embavenez-us.org/constitution/title\_III.htm" title="embavenez-us.org">the constitution (art. 74) allows a referendum</a> [embavenez-us.org] to revoke it. The question is, will enough people get together to start this?</p><p><a href="http://www.asambleanacional.gob.ve/index.php?option=com\_docman&amp;task=doc\_download&amp;gid=2027&amp;&amp;Itemid=190" title="asambleanacional.gob.ve">Here is the law in the official print</a> [asambleanacional.gob.ve] (in spanish).<br>Key excerpts from this law (forgive my translation):</p><p>Article 3.1<br><i>War videogame: Those videogames or programs usable in personal computers, arcade systems, video(game)consoles, portable devices or mobile phones and any other electronic or telematic device, which contain information or symbolism images promoting or inciting violence or use of weapons.</i></p><p>Article 14<br><i>Any who import, manufacture, sell, rent or distribute war videogames or war toys, shall be penalized with prison from 3 to 5 years.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no seizing of consoles , that is a lie .
However , this stupid law is true .
In short , any sale , rent , distribution or even promotion of video games with any sort of " violence " in it , can get you 3 to 5 years in jail.It is explained in the law proposal that this is meant to protect the children from violence , but there is no exception for adults .
Yes , for ages 18 + porn is legal , prostitution is legal , bearing firearms ( with permit ) is legal , but video games ?
no sir.Most game software companies will be unable to sell their products , the most affected are of course console games.I oppose this law and the constitution ( art .
74 ) allows a referendum [ embavenez-us.org ] to revoke it .
The question is , will enough people get together to start this ? Here is the law in the official print [ asambleanacional.gob.ve ] ( in spanish ) .Key excerpts from this law ( forgive my translation ) : Article 3.1War videogame : Those videogames or programs usable in personal computers , arcade systems , video ( game ) consoles , portable devices or mobile phones and any other electronic or telematic device , which contain information or symbolism images promoting or inciting violence or use of weapons.Article 14Any who import , manufacture , sell , rent or distribute war videogames or war toys , shall be penalized with prison from 3 to 5 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no seizing of consoles, that is a lie.
However, this stupid law is true.
In short, any sale, rent, distribution or even promotion of video games with any sort of "violence" in it, can get you 3 to 5 years in jail.It is explained in the law proposal that this is meant to protect the children from violence, but there is no exception for adults.
Yes, for ages 18+ porn is legal, prostitution is legal, bearing firearms (with permit) is legal, but video games?
no sir.Most game software companies will be unable to sell their products, the most affected are of course console games.I oppose this law and the constitution (art.
74) allows a referendum [embavenez-us.org] to revoke it.
The question is, will enough people get together to start this?Here is the law in the official print [asambleanacional.gob.ve] (in spanish).Key excerpts from this law (forgive my translation):Article 3.1War videogame: Those videogames or programs usable in personal computers, arcade systems, video(game)consoles, portable devices or mobile phones and any other electronic or telematic device, which contain information or symbolism images promoting or inciting violence or use of weapons.Article 14Any who import, manufacture, sell, rent or distribute war videogames or war toys, shall be penalized with prison from 3 to 5 years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364958</id>
	<title>Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing?</title>
	<author>Idbar</author>
	<datestamp>1267707240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they have no video games they'll go outside and play<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and then</p> </div><p>the can be mugged, robbed, kidnapped or killed, or any <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/spanish/latin\_america/newsid\_4881000/4881872.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">combination, and "voila".</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p></div>
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<tokenext>If they have no video games they 'll go outside and play ... and then the can be mugged , robbed , kidnapped or killed , or any combination , and " voila " .
[ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have no video games they'll go outside and play ... and then the can be mugged, robbed, kidnapped or killed, or any combination, and "voila".
[bbc.co.uk]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31366548</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1267719000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man,</p></div></blockquote><p>

I work with person from <b>Brittan</b>, his family is here <b>(Australia)</b> from <b>Britain</b> and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man,<br> <br>

I work with person from <b>Australia</b>, his family is here <b>(Thailand)</b> from <b>Australia</b> and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man,<br> <br>

This statement can apply to anyone who has ever left their country for political reasons, the two examples above are people I've actually met. I wouldn't trust them any more then Fox news as they spent more time pushing their agenda then making reasonable arguments. The one Australian talked my ear off about how the "gubbermint" in Australia was destroying the country by giving handouts to the Asians and Abbo's (ironic seeing as this was taking place in a bar in Thailand), the same accusation soon extended to me because I disagreed with his racist views. As others have said third hand personal anecdotes are not conclusive evidence of "evil".<br> <br>

As for what is happening in Venezuela, this is not unusual for a third world nation at all. Getting the moral police out on parade happens quite often to stir people up into a frenzy about one "evil" or another and make them forget about other issues. This happens all the time in the Philipines, Thailand, Malaysia and many other places and normally doesn't work/last (come to think of it it's not that unusual to see in first world nations, thought of the children lately).</p></div>
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<tokenext>I work with person from Venezuela , his family is here ( U.S. ) from Venezuela and they are all , everyone , completely opposed to mad-man , I work with person from Brittan , his family is here ( Australia ) from Britain and they are all , everyone , completely opposed to mad-man , I work with person from Australia , his family is here ( Thailand ) from Australia and they are all , everyone , completely opposed to mad-man , This statement can apply to anyone who has ever left their country for political reasons , the two examples above are people I 've actually met .
I would n't trust them any more then Fox news as they spent more time pushing their agenda then making reasonable arguments .
The one Australian talked my ear off about how the " gubbermint " in Australia was destroying the country by giving handouts to the Asians and Abbo 's ( ironic seeing as this was taking place in a bar in Thailand ) , the same accusation soon extended to me because I disagreed with his racist views .
As others have said third hand personal anecdotes are not conclusive evidence of " evil " .
As for what is happening in Venezuela , this is not unusual for a third world nation at all .
Getting the moral police out on parade happens quite often to stir people up into a frenzy about one " evil " or another and make them forget about other issues .
This happens all the time in the Philipines , Thailand , Malaysia and many other places and normally does n't work/last ( come to think of it it 's not that unusual to see in first world nations , thought of the children lately ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man,

I work with person from Brittan, his family is here (Australia) from Britain and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, 

I work with person from Australia, his family is here (Thailand) from Australia and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, 

This statement can apply to anyone who has ever left their country for political reasons, the two examples above are people I've actually met.
I wouldn't trust them any more then Fox news as they spent more time pushing their agenda then making reasonable arguments.
The one Australian talked my ear off about how the "gubbermint" in Australia was destroying the country by giving handouts to the Asians and Abbo's (ironic seeing as this was taking place in a bar in Thailand), the same accusation soon extended to me because I disagreed with his racist views.
As others have said third hand personal anecdotes are not conclusive evidence of "evil".
As for what is happening in Venezuela, this is not unusual for a third world nation at all.
Getting the moral police out on parade happens quite often to stir people up into a frenzy about one "evil" or another and make them forget about other issues.
This happens all the time in the Philipines, Thailand, Malaysia and many other places and normally doesn't work/last (come to think of it it's not that unusual to see in first world nations, thought of the children lately).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365538</id>
	<title>The War Play Dillemma</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1267710720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please see this book (and my other previous comment here):<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>I wrote a review of it here:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.pdfernhout.net/the-war-play-dilemma.html" title="pdfernhout.net">http://www.pdfernhout.net/the-war-play-dilemma.html</a> [pdfernhout.net]</p><p>Other related books about general issues and about what has been done to girls via media (and poor nutrition):<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X</a> [amazon.com]<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>And something every caregiver should know now that kids spend a lot of time indoors and have become vitamin D deficient:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml" title="vitamindcouncil.org">http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml</a> [vitamindcouncil.org]</p><p>We got rid of broadcast TV long ago too (we do use DVDs like Mr. Rogers and nature videos, and selected YouTube).</p><p>While I don't recommend any screen media for younger kids if you can avoid it, this site is pretty good for age four:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.poissonrouge.com/" title="poissonrouge.com">http://www.poissonrouge.com/</a> [poissonrouge.com]</p><p>As is this:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.starfall.com/" title="starfall.com">http://www.starfall.com/</a> [starfall.com]</p><p>For older ages, some good things are:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.learner.org/" title="learner.org">http://www.learner.org/</a> [learner.org]<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.khanacademy.org/" title="khanacademy.org">http://www.khanacademy.org/</a> [khanacademy.org]<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.cosmolearning.com/" title="cosmolearning.com">http://www.cosmolearning.com/</a> [cosmolearning.com]</p><p>A caregiver needs to create a safe nurturing environment within a child's needs and abilities. You are doing the right thing.</p><p>Other useful links:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting\_styles" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting\_styles</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.motherstyles.com/" title="motherstyles.com">http://www.motherstyles.com/</a> [motherstyles.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please see this book ( and my other previous comment here ) :     http : //www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X [ amazon.com ] I wrote a review of it here :     http : //www.pdfernhout.net/the-war-play-dilemma.html [ pdfernhout.net ] Other related books about general issues and about what has been done to girls via media ( and poor nutrition ) :     http : //www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X [ amazon.com ]     http : //www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077 [ amazon.com ] And something every caregiver should know now that kids spend a lot of time indoors and have become vitamin D deficient :     http : //www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml [ vitamindcouncil.org ] We got rid of broadcast TV long ago too ( we do use DVDs like Mr. Rogers and nature videos , and selected YouTube ) .While I do n't recommend any screen media for younger kids if you can avoid it , this site is pretty good for age four :     http : //www.poissonrouge.com/ [ poissonrouge.com ] As is this :     http : //www.starfall.com/ [ starfall.com ] For older ages , some good things are :     http : //www.learner.org/ [ learner.org ]     http : //www.khanacademy.org/ [ khanacademy.org ]     http : //www.cosmolearning.com/ [ cosmolearning.com ] A caregiver needs to create a safe nurturing environment within a child 's needs and abilities .
You are doing the right thing.Other useful links :     http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting \ _styles [ wikipedia.org ]     http : //www.motherstyles.com/ [ motherstyles.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please see this book (and my other previous comment here):
    http://www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X [amazon.com]I wrote a review of it here:
    http://www.pdfernhout.net/the-war-play-dilemma.html [pdfernhout.net]Other related books about general issues and about what has been done to girls via media (and poor nutrition):
    http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X [amazon.com]
    http://www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077 [amazon.com]And something every caregiver should know now that kids spend a lot of time indoors and have become vitamin D deficient:
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml [vitamindcouncil.org]We got rid of broadcast TV long ago too (we do use DVDs like Mr. Rogers and nature videos, and selected YouTube).While I don't recommend any screen media for younger kids if you can avoid it, this site is pretty good for age four:
    http://www.poissonrouge.com/ [poissonrouge.com]As is this:
    http://www.starfall.com/ [starfall.com]For older ages, some good things are:
    http://www.learner.org/ [learner.org]
    http://www.khanacademy.org/ [khanacademy.org]
    http://www.cosmolearning.com/ [cosmolearning.com]A caregiver needs to create a safe nurturing environment within a child's needs and abilities.
You are doing the right thing.Other useful links:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting\_styles [wikipedia.org]
    http://www.motherstyles.com/ [motherstyles.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31372134</id>
	<title>mm so you would ban Chess then ?? Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1267809960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>as Chess is a simulation of war and spending to long playing chess at a high level does tend to do strange thing to people look at Bobby Fishcher as one example.</htmltext>
<tokenext>as Chess is a simulation of war and spending to long playing chess at a high level does tend to do strange thing to people look at Bobby Fishcher as one example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as Chess is a simulation of war and spending to long playing chess at a high level does tend to do strange thing to people look at Bobby Fishcher as one example.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31376872</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>alexborges</author>
	<datestamp>1267791420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I repeat my question: Where are the free drugs and obligatory orgies?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I repeat my question : Where are the free drugs and obligatory orgies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I repeat my question: Where are the free drugs and obligatory orgies?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364508</id>
	<title>Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267705140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>kinda funny:<br>my step-dad came in to my room while playing a FPS and said "dammit go outside, there are real people you could be shooting at!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>kinda funny : my step-dad came in to my room while playing a FPS and said " dammit go outside , there are real people you could be shooting at !
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<sentencetext>kinda funny:my step-dad came in to my room while playing a FPS and said "dammit go outside, there are real people you could be shooting at!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365414</id>
	<title>War play is a racket...</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1267710060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It's been said by Major General Smedly Butler that War is a Racket:<br>
  <a href="http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm" title="lexrex.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm</a> [lexrex.com] </p><p>Well, another racket is the unhealthy alliance between toymakers and media makers, a racket that started with deregulation of children's media under the "family values" Reagan Administration. That racket has destroyed big chunks of healthy childhood for many young boys:<br>
  "The War Play Dilemma: What Every Parent And Teacher Needs to Know"<br>
  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X</a> [amazon.com] </p><p>One of the authors of that book suggests a similar unhealthy alliance has make a lot of money harming young girls as a racket, too:<br>
  "So Sexy So Soon: The New Sexualized Childhood and What Parents Can Do to Protect Their Kids"<br>
  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077</a> [amazon.com] </p><p>Also, an indirectly related book from the time just before the first September 11th (in Chile in 1973):<br>
  "How to Read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic"<br>
  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Donald-Duck-Imperialist/dp/0884770230" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Donald-Duck-Imperialist/dp/0884770230</a> [amazon.com] </p><p>With that said, I don't think banning is the answer. Money poured into alternatives and discussion is probably a better solution. Alfie Kohn's work is a good start for such discussion (beyond the above books):<br>
  "No Contest: The Case Against Competition"<br>
  <a href="http://www.share-international.org/archives/cooperation/co\_nocontest.htm" title="share-international.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.share-international.org/archives/cooperation/co\_nocontest.htm</a> [share-international.org] <br>
  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/No-Contest-Case-Against-Competition/dp/0395631254" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/No-Contest-Case-Against-Competition/dp/0395631254</a> [amazon.com] <br>"Contending that competition in all areas -- school, family, sports and business -- is destructive, and that success so achieved is at the expense of another's failure, Kohn, a correspondent for USA Today, advocates a restructuring of our institutions to replace competition with cooperation. He persuasively demonstrates how the ingrained American myth that competition is the only normal and desirable way of life -- from Little Leagues to the presidency -- is counterproductive, personally and for the national economy, and how psychologically it poisons relationships, fosters anxiety and takes the fun out of work and play. He charges that competition is a learned phenomenon and denies that it builds character and self-esteem. Kohn's measures to encourage cooperation in lieu of competition include promoting noncompetitive games, eliminating scholastic grades and substitution of mutual security for national security."</p><p>Another related book to understand how it all went so wrong:<br>
  "Supernormal Stimuli: How Primal Urges Overran Their Evolutionary Purpose"<br>
  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X</a> [amazon.com] </p><p>Also, curing vitamin D deficiency that people get from staying indoors too much playing games or even just reading is probably more important:<br>
  <a href="http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml" title="vitamindcouncil.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml</a> [vitamindcouncil.org] </p><p>Also, kids need to learn the irony that in a world full of fancy computers and advanced manufacturing (like depicted in many such violent games), fighting over land or oil is just ironically stupid, instead of using that technology to make the world work for everyone. The unrecognized irony is more deadly than those games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been said by Major General Smedly Butler that War is a Racket : http : //www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm [ lexrex.com ] Well , another racket is the unhealthy alliance between toymakers and media makers , a racket that started with deregulation of children 's media under the " family values " Reagan Administration .
That racket has destroyed big chunks of healthy childhood for many young boys : " The War Play Dilemma : What Every Parent And Teacher Needs to Know " http : //www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X [ amazon.com ] One of the authors of that book suggests a similar unhealthy alliance has make a lot of money harming young girls as a racket , too : " So Sexy So Soon : The New Sexualized Childhood and What Parents Can Do to Protect Their Kids " http : //www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077 [ amazon.com ] Also , an indirectly related book from the time just before the first September 11th ( in Chile in 1973 ) : " How to Read Donald Duck : Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic " http : //www.amazon.com/How-Read-Donald-Duck-Imperialist/dp/0884770230 [ amazon.com ] With that said , I do n't think banning is the answer .
Money poured into alternatives and discussion is probably a better solution .
Alfie Kohn 's work is a good start for such discussion ( beyond the above books ) : " No Contest : The Case Against Competition " http : //www.share-international.org/archives/cooperation/co \ _nocontest.htm [ share-international.org ] http : //www.amazon.com/No-Contest-Case-Against-Competition/dp/0395631254 [ amazon.com ] " Contending that competition in all areas -- school , family , sports and business -- is destructive , and that success so achieved is at the expense of another 's failure , Kohn , a correspondent for USA Today , advocates a restructuring of our institutions to replace competition with cooperation .
He persuasively demonstrates how the ingrained American myth that competition is the only normal and desirable way of life -- from Little Leagues to the presidency -- is counterproductive , personally and for the national economy , and how psychologically it poisons relationships , fosters anxiety and takes the fun out of work and play .
He charges that competition is a learned phenomenon and denies that it builds character and self-esteem .
Kohn 's measures to encourage cooperation in lieu of competition include promoting noncompetitive games , eliminating scholastic grades and substitution of mutual security for national security .
" Another related book to understand how it all went so wrong : " Supernormal Stimuli : How Primal Urges Overran Their Evolutionary Purpose " http : //www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X [ amazon.com ] Also , curing vitamin D deficiency that people get from staying indoors too much playing games or even just reading is probably more important : http : //www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml [ vitamindcouncil.org ] Also , kids need to learn the irony that in a world full of fancy computers and advanced manufacturing ( like depicted in many such violent games ) , fighting over land or oil is just ironically stupid , instead of using that technology to make the world work for everyone .
The unrecognized irony is more deadly than those games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been said by Major General Smedly Butler that War is a Racket:
  http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm [lexrex.com] Well, another racket is the unhealthy alliance between toymakers and media makers, a racket that started with deregulation of children's media under the "family values" Reagan Administration.
That racket has destroyed big chunks of healthy childhood for many young boys:
  "The War Play Dilemma: What Every Parent And Teacher Needs to Know"
  http://www.amazon.com/War-Play-Dilemma-Childhood-Education/dp/080774638X [amazon.com] One of the authors of that book suggests a similar unhealthy alliance has make a lot of money harming young girls as a racket, too:
  "So Sexy So Soon: The New Sexualized Childhood and What Parents Can Do to Protect Their Kids"
  http://www.amazon.com/So-Sexy-Soon-Sexualized-Childhood/dp/0345505077 [amazon.com] Also, an indirectly related book from the time just before the first September 11th (in Chile in 1973):
  "How to Read Donald Duck: Imperialist Ideology in the Disney Comic"
  http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Donald-Duck-Imperialist/dp/0884770230 [amazon.com] With that said, I don't think banning is the answer.
Money poured into alternatives and discussion is probably a better solution.
Alfie Kohn's work is a good start for such discussion (beyond the above books):
  "No Contest: The Case Against Competition"
  http://www.share-international.org/archives/cooperation/co\_nocontest.htm [share-international.org] 
  http://www.amazon.com/No-Contest-Case-Against-Competition/dp/0395631254 [amazon.com] "Contending that competition in all areas -- school, family, sports and business -- is destructive, and that success so achieved is at the expense of another's failure, Kohn, a correspondent for USA Today, advocates a restructuring of our institutions to replace competition with cooperation.
He persuasively demonstrates how the ingrained American myth that competition is the only normal and desirable way of life -- from Little Leagues to the presidency -- is counterproductive, personally and for the national economy, and how psychologically it poisons relationships, fosters anxiety and takes the fun out of work and play.
He charges that competition is a learned phenomenon and denies that it builds character and self-esteem.
Kohn's measures to encourage cooperation in lieu of competition include promoting noncompetitive games, eliminating scholastic grades and substitution of mutual security for national security.
"Another related book to understand how it all went so wrong:
  "Supernormal Stimuli: How Primal Urges Overran Their Evolutionary Purpose"
  http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X [amazon.com] Also, curing vitamin D deficiency that people get from staying indoors too much playing games or even just reading is probably more important:
  http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml [vitamindcouncil.org] Also, kids need to learn the irony that in a world full of fancy computers and advanced manufacturing (like depicted in many such violent games), fighting over land or oil is just ironically stupid, instead of using that technology to make the world work for everyone.
The unrecognized irony is more deadly than those games.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31367046</id>
	<title>Violent games and toys?</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1267722420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Would that include Hugo Chavez?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would that include Hugo Chavez ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would that include Hugo Chavez?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>jav1231</author>
	<datestamp>1267706760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Barrack O'Chavez?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</htmltext>
<tokenext>Barrack O'Chavez ?
: p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Barrack O'Chavez?
:p</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>Vahokif</author>
	<datestamp>1267704720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>So was Hitler.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/godwin</htmltext>
<tokenext>So was Hitler .
/godwin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So was Hitler.
/godwin</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364874</id>
	<title>Here at Globovision</title>
	<author>Stupid McStupidson</author>
	<datestamp>1267706820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.... we understand that "Ugliness" and "Fatness" are genetic disorders, much like baldness or necrophilia, and it's only your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.... we understand that " Ugliness " and " Fatness " are genetic disorders , much like baldness or necrophilia , and it 's only your fault if you do n't hate yourself enough to do something about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.... we understand that "Ugliness" and "Fatness" are genetic disorders, much like baldness or necrophilia, and it's only your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31367726</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267728240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us. Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.</p></div></blockquote><p>Really? I can't say about Hostel, but I saw Saw once (didn't have anything much better to do) and was bored as fuck. And the large popularity of these movies (and their sequels) does not seem to have been accompanied by the spike in violent crime theories like yours would seem to predict. Actually, the fact that half a dozen Saw movies have been made <i>without</i> the world ending would seem to strongly argue against this.</p><p>As has been often quoted, "reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away". You can "flatly refuse" to accept it if you so please, just like lots of people "flatly refuse" to accept that you can allow children to see nipples without the fabric of society crumbling, or "flatly refuse" to accept that the universe is older than a few millennia. We call these people <i>idiots</i>.</p><p>With regard to your little anecdote, I could think of plenty of possible alternate explanations for the same behavior, given the available data. It could be just watching TV that causes the behavior. It could be something other than violence on TV that causes it. It could be something coincidental to the TV-watching that was causing it and stopped with it. It could be any of the myriad flaws of the average person's unconscious perceptions of statistics. A proper, rigorous scientific study, of the sort you'd need to be confident on things like this, controls for problems like these; Random Internet Anecdotes do not.</p><p>And sorry, but censorship of things you personally think should be censored is still censorship. Censorship of things lots of people think should be censored is still censorship. It's not only "censorship" when it's of things you like any more than it's only "murder" when it's of people you like. Get over it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us .
Movies like Saw and Hostel simply can not be psychologically inert , the content is just too potent.Really ?
I ca n't say about Hostel , but I saw Saw once ( did n't have anything much better to do ) and was bored as fuck .
And the large popularity of these movies ( and their sequels ) does not seem to have been accompanied by the spike in violent crime theories like yours would seem to predict .
Actually , the fact that half a dozen Saw movies have been made without the world ending would seem to strongly argue against this.As has been often quoted , " reality is that which , when you stop believing in it , does not go away " .
You can " flatly refuse " to accept it if you so please , just like lots of people " flatly refuse " to accept that you can allow children to see nipples without the fabric of society crumbling , or " flatly refuse " to accept that the universe is older than a few millennia .
We call these people idiots.With regard to your little anecdote , I could think of plenty of possible alternate explanations for the same behavior , given the available data .
It could be just watching TV that causes the behavior .
It could be something other than violence on TV that causes it .
It could be something coincidental to the TV-watching that was causing it and stopped with it .
It could be any of the myriad flaws of the average person 's unconscious perceptions of statistics .
A proper , rigorous scientific study , of the sort you 'd need to be confident on things like this , controls for problems like these ; Random Internet Anecdotes do not.And sorry , but censorship of things you personally think should be censored is still censorship .
Censorship of things lots of people think should be censored is still censorship .
It 's not only " censorship " when it 's of things you like any more than it 's only " murder " when it 's of people you like .
Get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us.
Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.Really?
I can't say about Hostel, but I saw Saw once (didn't have anything much better to do) and was bored as fuck.
And the large popularity of these movies (and their sequels) does not seem to have been accompanied by the spike in violent crime theories like yours would seem to predict.
Actually, the fact that half a dozen Saw movies have been made without the world ending would seem to strongly argue against this.As has been often quoted, "reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away".
You can "flatly refuse" to accept it if you so please, just like lots of people "flatly refuse" to accept that you can allow children to see nipples without the fabric of society crumbling, or "flatly refuse" to accept that the universe is older than a few millennia.
We call these people idiots.With regard to your little anecdote, I could think of plenty of possible alternate explanations for the same behavior, given the available data.
It could be just watching TV that causes the behavior.
It could be something other than violence on TV that causes it.
It could be something coincidental to the TV-watching that was causing it and stopped with it.
It could be any of the myriad flaws of the average person's unconscious perceptions of statistics.
A proper, rigorous scientific study, of the sort you'd need to be confident on things like this, controls for problems like these; Random Internet Anecdotes do not.And sorry, but censorship of things you personally think should be censored is still censorship.
Censorship of things lots of people think should be censored is still censorship.
It's not only "censorship" when it's of things you like any more than it's only "murder" when it's of people you like.
Get over it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364378</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>wisnoskij</author>
	<datestamp>1267704600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are a gamer and still cannot bother to screen the games your kids play yourself so think that the entire country needs to be cleansed of any of these possibly objectionable materials?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a gamer and still can not bother to screen the games your kids play yourself so think that the entire country needs to be cleansed of any of these possibly objectionable materials ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a gamer and still cannot bother to screen the games your kids play yourself so think that the entire country needs to be cleansed of any of these possibly objectionable materials?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1267808340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.</p></div><p>Give some credit to Passion of the Christ, the movie that brought torture porn into the mainstream.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Movies like Saw and Hostel simply can not be psychologically inert , the content is just too potent.Give some credit to Passion of the Christ , the movie that brought torture porn into the mainstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.Give some credit to Passion of the Christ, the movie that brought torture porn into the mainstream.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>ChromeAeonium</author>
	<datestamp>1267703640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, seizing the consoles seems overboard.</p> </div><p>Seizing anything is overboard.  You might applaud the effort, but what do your kids learn?  That responsibility is someone else's problem and that you have the right to control what others do?  Those are the attributes of a reckless bully,  exactly how we teach kids not to think.  Parents should be against this for that (and the whole freedom of speech  trampling of a universal human right thing).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , seizing the consoles seems overboard .
Seizing anything is overboard .
You might applaud the effort , but what do your kids learn ?
That responsibility is someone else 's problem and that you have the right to control what others do ?
Those are the attributes of a reckless bully , exactly how we teach kids not to think .
Parents should be against this for that ( and the whole freedom of speech trampling of a universal human right thing ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, seizing the consoles seems overboard.
Seizing anything is overboard.
You might applaud the effort, but what do your kids learn?
That responsibility is someone else's problem and that you have the right to control what others do?
Those are the attributes of a reckless bully,  exactly how we teach kids not to think.
Parents should be against this for that (and the whole freedom of speech  trampling of a universal human right thing).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365488</id>
	<title>Not a big deal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267710480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The way things are developing right now in Venezuela, in a couple months we'll have no electricity to power our violent video games anyway.</p><p>It's another violation of our rights, but it'll have to take the back seat while we deal with the hijacked supreme court, the lack of separation of powers, 12000+ violent deaths a year, the constants attacks on freedom on speech and the money unlawfully gifted by Chavez to foreign countries while lobbying for its revolution and the 21'st century socialism, and estimated over 50 billion dollars.</p><p>This could be called my two cents, but being in Venezuela I can't exchange local to foreign currency freely, another right violation that's 6 years old and counting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way things are developing right now in Venezuela , in a couple months we 'll have no electricity to power our violent video games anyway.It 's another violation of our rights , but it 'll have to take the back seat while we deal with the hijacked supreme court , the lack of separation of powers , 12000 + violent deaths a year , the constants attacks on freedom on speech and the money unlawfully gifted by Chavez to foreign countries while lobbying for its revolution and the 21'st century socialism , and estimated over 50 billion dollars.This could be called my two cents , but being in Venezuela I ca n't exchange local to foreign currency freely , another right violation that 's 6 years old and counting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way things are developing right now in Venezuela, in a couple months we'll have no electricity to power our violent video games anyway.It's another violation of our rights, but it'll have to take the back seat while we deal with the hijacked supreme court, the lack of separation of powers, 12000+ violent deaths a year, the constants attacks on freedom on speech and the money unlawfully gifted by Chavez to foreign countries while lobbying for its revolution and the 21'st century socialism, and estimated over 50 billion dollars.This could be called my two cents, but being in Venezuela I can't exchange local to foreign currency freely, another right violation that's 6 years old and counting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31376880</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>alexborges</author>
	<datestamp>1267791480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont. I just hate any kind of prohibition that is not reasonably sound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont .
I just hate any kind of prohibition that is not reasonably sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont.
I just hate any kind of prohibition that is not reasonably sound.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364498</id>
	<title>You're doing it wrong</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1267705080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Palestinians electing Hamas? That's not democracy. Venezuelans electing Chavez? That's not democracy. Bolivians electing Morales? That's not democracy. Spain leaving Iraq because 95\% oppose the war? That's not democracy.</p><p>Pinochet taking over Chile? Triumph of democracy! America invading Iraq? Triumph of democracy! The CIA and the Shah taking over Iran? Triumph of democracy! Turkey supporting the Iraq war against the will of it's populace? Triumph of democracy!</p><p>All you have to do is replace "democracy" with "American interests" and it all makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Palestinians electing Hamas ?
That 's not democracy .
Venezuelans electing Chavez ?
That 's not democracy .
Bolivians electing Morales ?
That 's not democracy .
Spain leaving Iraq because 95 \ % oppose the war ?
That 's not democracy.Pinochet taking over Chile ?
Triumph of democracy !
America invading Iraq ?
Triumph of democracy !
The CIA and the Shah taking over Iran ?
Triumph of democracy !
Turkey supporting the Iraq war against the will of it 's populace ?
Triumph of democracy ! All you have to do is replace " democracy " with " American interests " and it all makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Palestinians electing Hamas?
That's not democracy.
Venezuelans electing Chavez?
That's not democracy.
Bolivians electing Morales?
That's not democracy.
Spain leaving Iraq because 95\% oppose the war?
That's not democracy.Pinochet taking over Chile?
Triumph of democracy!
America invading Iraq?
Triumph of democracy!
The CIA and the Shah taking over Iran?
Triumph of democracy!
Turkey supporting the Iraq war against the will of it's populace?
Triumph of democracy!All you have to do is replace "democracy" with "American interests" and it all makes sense.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Story at 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267704180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a dictator man, actually a democratically elected leader (contrary to the desires of the US govt -&gt; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d\%27\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt#Allegations\_of\_U.S.\_involvement )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a dictator man , actually a democratically elected leader ( contrary to the desires of the US govt - &gt; http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002 \ _Venezuelan \ _coup \ _d \ % 27 \ % C3 \ % A9tat \ _attempt # Allegations \ _of \ _U.S. \ _involvement )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a dictator man, actually a democratically elected leader (contrary to the desires of the US govt -&gt; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d\%27\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt#Allegations\_of\_U.S.\_involvement )</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31374094</id>
	<title>It's not a video game</title>
	<author>DrSkwid</author>
	<datestamp>1267819380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>it's a violence simulator, for adults only</p><p>no more Tom &amp; Jerry, no more Three Little Pigs, no Red Riding Hood.</p><p>but also good - no Jesus or God or anything Biblical,</p><p>no dinosaur models, wolf motifs, Kellogs Frosties, eating meat, wrestling action figures, batman</p><p>no mario, no superman on the atari 2600, no duck hunt, no burnout, no NHL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's a violence simulator , for adults onlyno more Tom &amp; Jerry , no more Three Little Pigs , no Red Riding Hood.but also good - no Jesus or God or anything Biblical,no dinosaur models , wolf motifs , Kellogs Frosties , eating meat , wrestling action figures , batmanno mario , no superman on the atari 2600 , no duck hunt , no burnout , no NHL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's a violence simulator, for adults onlyno more Tom &amp; Jerry, no more Three Little Pigs, no Red Riding Hood.but also good - no Jesus or God or anything Biblical,no dinosaur models, wolf motifs, Kellogs Frosties, eating meat, wrestling action figures, batmanno mario, no superman on the atari 2600, no duck hunt, no burnout, no NHL</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31368200</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1267820040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you should logically also ban all violent films, books, paintings etc.</p><p>It is wrong to ban adults access to material that is unsuitable for children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you should logically also ban all violent films , books , paintings etc.It is wrong to ban adults access to material that is unsuitable for children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you should logically also ban all violent films, books, paintings etc.It is wrong to ban adults access to material that is unsuitable for children.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365802</id>
	<title>From a Venezuelan Gamer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267713000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, I'm from Venezuela, I live there, I am a avid gamer, I'm over 30 and I have a child.</p><p>The political reallity in Venezuela is very complex, but to resume, in 1998 Venezuela had 90\% of its population under the poverty line, we where coming from a decade in which the oil was around 10$ per barrel, the banking system collapsed, the basic industry and services where privatized (mostly in hands of international corporations, not national capital) and even the oil industry was in process to be privatized. So not only 90\% of the population was poor, but they couldnt access basic services such as health, telephony, electricity and such. This created the perfect conditions to elect Hugo Chavez, a leftifst reformist with a clear populist stoke.</p><p>Gladly, I was in the other 10\% of the population, even if wasnt rich, I always have food, house, education, basic services, car, and heck, even a job.</p><p>So obviously I was against this monster, who wanted to kill all white people, send the "violent" brown and black people mobs to our homes, take all our money, give us food rations cards, take down the internet, forbid the private property, and all other terrible stuff, well, at least thats what I always heared and listened and readed in all the Mass Media in Venezuela, Media like Globovision, which was directed by Alberto Federico Ravell. This is the same Media that sent people into the streets in droves with revenge violent like speeches 24/7, asking to oust this elected president.</p><p>In 11 years I learned that I was wrong. I suffered trough coups from right wing groups, owners of Media and Big Corporations, I watched as my country was criminally paralized by a group of right wing extremist for two months, I enjoyed from policies that let me bought my own house, and start my own business, I realized that even when Chavez policy wasnt directed to people like me, it marked a big difference in a lot of the population in Venezuela who was left in oblivion before. I watched as Chavez won 10 elections and lost 1 in 11 years, from presidential elections, to Constitutional referendums.</p><p>That said, I think this law is the pefect example of things that start as an idea of Chavez (good for some, bad for others) but are turn into a wreak train by ministers, representatives and Chavez himself. The big mistake of this law is the outright ban of "Violent" videogames, with the pretext of "protecting the children".</p><p>I, as a parent, wouldnt mind a law the prevent my children to save money and buy or rent "violent" games behind my back, or porno, alcohol and tobacco for what matters. Is not like I decline my responsability as a parent, but I appreciate the help. But I take strong exception when a law prohibits me, as an adult, the right to buy "violent" games, or porno, alcohol and tobacco for what matters. Heck, if I, as a parent, consider that my kid is strong and mature enough, I consider my right to buy him a violent game and let him enjoy of suffer it... or porno, alcohol and tobacco for what matters.</p><p>In conclusion this law is as stupid as the people who call Chavez a cruel dictator because media outlets say thats what they should do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , I 'm from Venezuela , I live there , I am a avid gamer , I 'm over 30 and I have a child.The political reallity in Venezuela is very complex , but to resume , in 1998 Venezuela had 90 \ % of its population under the poverty line , we where coming from a decade in which the oil was around 10 $ per barrel , the banking system collapsed , the basic industry and services where privatized ( mostly in hands of international corporations , not national capital ) and even the oil industry was in process to be privatized .
So not only 90 \ % of the population was poor , but they couldnt access basic services such as health , telephony , electricity and such .
This created the perfect conditions to elect Hugo Chavez , a leftifst reformist with a clear populist stoke.Gladly , I was in the other 10 \ % of the population , even if wasnt rich , I always have food , house , education , basic services , car , and heck , even a job.So obviously I was against this monster , who wanted to kill all white people , send the " violent " brown and black people mobs to our homes , take all our money , give us food rations cards , take down the internet , forbid the private property , and all other terrible stuff , well , at least thats what I always heared and listened and readed in all the Mass Media in Venezuela , Media like Globovision , which was directed by Alberto Federico Ravell .
This is the same Media that sent people into the streets in droves with revenge violent like speeches 24/7 , asking to oust this elected president.In 11 years I learned that I was wrong .
I suffered trough coups from right wing groups , owners of Media and Big Corporations , I watched as my country was criminally paralized by a group of right wing extremist for two months , I enjoyed from policies that let me bought my own house , and start my own business , I realized that even when Chavez policy wasnt directed to people like me , it marked a big difference in a lot of the population in Venezuela who was left in oblivion before .
I watched as Chavez won 10 elections and lost 1 in 11 years , from presidential elections , to Constitutional referendums.That said , I think this law is the pefect example of things that start as an idea of Chavez ( good for some , bad for others ) but are turn into a wreak train by ministers , representatives and Chavez himself .
The big mistake of this law is the outright ban of " Violent " videogames , with the pretext of " protecting the children " .I , as a parent , wouldnt mind a law the prevent my children to save money and buy or rent " violent " games behind my back , or porno , alcohol and tobacco for what matters .
Is not like I decline my responsability as a parent , but I appreciate the help .
But I take strong exception when a law prohibits me , as an adult , the right to buy " violent " games , or porno , alcohol and tobacco for what matters .
Heck , if I , as a parent , consider that my kid is strong and mature enough , I consider my right to buy him a violent game and let him enjoy of suffer it... or porno , alcohol and tobacco for what matters.In conclusion this law is as stupid as the people who call Chavez a cruel dictator because media outlets say thats what they should do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, I'm from Venezuela, I live there, I am a avid gamer, I'm over 30 and I have a child.The political reallity in Venezuela is very complex, but to resume, in 1998 Venezuela had 90\% of its population under the poverty line, we where coming from a decade in which the oil was around 10$ per barrel, the banking system collapsed, the basic industry and services where privatized (mostly in hands of international corporations, not national capital) and even the oil industry was in process to be privatized.
So not only 90\% of the population was poor, but they couldnt access basic services such as health, telephony, electricity and such.
This created the perfect conditions to elect Hugo Chavez, a leftifst reformist with a clear populist stoke.Gladly, I was in the other 10\% of the population, even if wasnt rich, I always have food, house, education, basic services, car, and heck, even a job.So obviously I was against this monster, who wanted to kill all white people, send the "violent" brown and black people mobs to our homes, take all our money, give us food rations cards, take down the internet, forbid the private property, and all other terrible stuff, well, at least thats what I always heared and listened and readed in all the Mass Media in Venezuela, Media like Globovision, which was directed by Alberto Federico Ravell.
This is the same Media that sent people into the streets in droves with revenge violent like speeches 24/7, asking to oust this elected president.In 11 years I learned that I was wrong.
I suffered trough coups from right wing groups, owners of Media and Big Corporations, I watched as my country was criminally paralized by a group of right wing extremist for two months, I enjoyed from policies that let me bought my own house, and start my own business, I realized that even when Chavez policy wasnt directed to people like me, it marked a big difference in a lot of the population in Venezuela who was left in oblivion before.
I watched as Chavez won 10 elections and lost 1 in 11 years, from presidential elections, to Constitutional referendums.That said, I think this law is the pefect example of things that start as an idea of Chavez (good for some, bad for others) but are turn into a wreak train by ministers, representatives and Chavez himself.
The big mistake of this law is the outright ban of "Violent" videogames, with the pretext of "protecting the children".I, as a parent, wouldnt mind a law the prevent my children to save money and buy or rent "violent" games behind my back, or porno, alcohol and tobacco for what matters.
Is not like I decline my responsability as a parent, but I appreciate the help.
But I take strong exception when a law prohibits me, as an adult, the right to buy "violent" games, or porno, alcohol and tobacco for what matters.
Heck, if I, as a parent, consider that my kid is strong and mature enough, I consider my right to buy him a violent game and let him enjoy of suffer it... or porno, alcohol and tobacco for what matters.In conclusion this law is as stupid as the people who call Chavez a cruel dictator because media outlets say thats what they should do.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267812000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The so called "fair" election you speak about has been denounced countless times as fraudulent. There's countless numbers of cases of double IDs, 170 year old people alive and voting (its in the registry, i can provide links if you can understand spanish) and yet nothing is done because the organism that controls the votes is biased, and the supreme court is chosen by the president, non vitalitiously, and the senate has full majority due to an awesome decision of the opposition parties to not go to the parlamentary voting after the "fair" reelection because the whole thing was rigged.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The so called " fair " election you speak about has been denounced countless times as fraudulent .
There 's countless numbers of cases of double IDs , 170 year old people alive and voting ( its in the registry , i can provide links if you can understand spanish ) and yet nothing is done because the organism that controls the votes is biased , and the supreme court is chosen by the president , non vitalitiously , and the senate has full majority due to an awesome decision of the opposition parties to not go to the parlamentary voting after the " fair " reelection because the whole thing was rigged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The so called "fair" election you speak about has been denounced countless times as fraudulent.
There's countless numbers of cases of double IDs, 170 year old people alive and voting (its in the registry, i can provide links if you can understand spanish) and yet nothing is done because the organism that controls the votes is biased, and the supreme court is chosen by the president, non vitalitiously, and the senate has full majority due to an awesome decision of the opposition parties to not go to the parlamentary voting after the "fair" reelection because the whole thing was rigged.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31365428</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>OGmofo</author>
	<datestamp>1267710120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No matter how "legitimate" it might look, whenever the highest executive in a country's government somehow manages to remove term limits, he has become a de facto dictator.</p><p>The higher you go in government the more important the concept of term limits become.  Executives must have reason to fear that at some point they will have to answer for their actions to someone with the same level of authority they currently enjoy.</p><p>Chavez can crap roses and turn water into wine...as long as he maneuvers or succeeds in removing term limits...he's a dictator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No matter how " legitimate " it might look , whenever the highest executive in a country 's government somehow manages to remove term limits , he has become a de facto dictator.The higher you go in government the more important the concept of term limits become .
Executives must have reason to fear that at some point they will have to answer for their actions to someone with the same level of authority they currently enjoy.Chavez can crap roses and turn water into wine...as long as he maneuvers or succeeds in removing term limits...he 's a dictator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No matter how "legitimate" it might look, whenever the highest executive in a country's government somehow manages to remove term limits, he has become a de facto dictator.The higher you go in government the more important the concept of term limits become.
Executives must have reason to fear that at some point they will have to answer for their actions to someone with the same level of authority they currently enjoy.Chavez can crap roses and turn water into wine...as long as he maneuvers or succeeds in removing term limits...he's a dictator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364132</id>
	<title>Re:Great, but don't go overboard</title>
	<author>0racle</author>
	<datestamp>1267703580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As a parent I applaud the effort.</p></div></blockquote><p>
You are the embodiment of everything that is wrong with actions and laws such as these. It is not the governments place to parent your children yet you cheer them on every time they do.<br> <br>You think of your children, no one else should have to.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As a parent I applaud the effort .
You are the embodiment of everything that is wrong with actions and laws such as these .
It is not the governments place to parent your children yet you cheer them on every time they do .
You think of your children , no one else should have to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent I applaud the effort.
You are the embodiment of everything that is wrong with actions and laws such as these.
It is not the governments place to parent your children yet you cheer them on every time they do.
You think of your children, no one else should have to.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364424</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1267704840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering we regularly used to oust elected leaders and that is how we ended up the the Iran of today, maybe we ought sit back and see how this plays out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering we regularly used to oust elected leaders and that is how we ended up the the Iran of today , maybe we ought sit back and see how this plays out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering we regularly used to oust elected leaders and that is how we ended up the the Iran of today, maybe we ought sit back and see how this plays out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31364646</id>
	<title>Outrageous!</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1267705680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How DARE you talk about Ms. Pelosi that way! She's the duly elected...   Oh, wait, nevermind.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How DARE you talk about Ms. Pelosi that way !
She 's the duly elected... Oh , wait , nevermind .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>How DARE you talk about Ms. Pelosi that way!
She's the duly elected...   Oh, wait, nevermind.
     </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_2136257.31368526</id>
	<title>Re:hugo...</title>
	<author>HungryHobo</author>
	<datestamp>1267781220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>cognitive neuroscientist</p></div><p>Ya. Right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>cognitive neuroscientistYa .
Right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cognitive neuroscientistYa.
Right.
	</sentencetext>
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