<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_04_1434252</id>
	<title>Earliest "Writing" On 60,000-Year-Old Eggshells</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267716180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>New Scientist reports on research published in PNAS (<a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/02/17/0913047107">abstract here</a>) about what may be the <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527504.300-oldest-writing-found-on-60000yearold-eggshells.html?full=true&amp;print=true">earliest writing yet discovered</a>, on eggshells dated to 60,000 years ago. <i>"Since 1999, Pierre-Jean Texier of the University of Bordeaux, France, and his colleagues have uncovered 270 fragments of shell at the Diepkloof Rock Shelter in the Western Cape, South Africa. They show the same symbols are used over and over again, and the team say there are signs that the symbols evolved over 5,000 years. This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking, say the team. [Another researcher is quoted:] 'Judging from what we know about the evolution of art all over the world, there may have been many [written language] traditions that were born, lasted for some time, and then vanished. This may be one of them, most probably not the first and certainly not the last.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Scientist reports on research published in PNAS ( abstract here ) about what may be the earliest writing yet discovered , on eggshells dated to 60,000 years ago .
" Since 1999 , Pierre-Jean Texier of the University of Bordeaux , France , and his colleagues have uncovered 270 fragments of shell at the Diepkloof Rock Shelter in the Western Cape , South Africa .
They show the same symbols are used over and over again , and the team say there are signs that the symbols evolved over 5,000 years .
This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking , say the team .
[ Another researcher is quoted : ] 'Judging from what we know about the evolution of art all over the world , there may have been many [ written language ] traditions that were born , lasted for some time , and then vanished .
This may be one of them , most probably not the first and certainly not the last .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Scientist reports on research published in PNAS (abstract here) about what may be the earliest writing yet discovered, on eggshells dated to 60,000 years ago.
"Since 1999, Pierre-Jean Texier of the University of Bordeaux, France, and his colleagues have uncovered 270 fragments of shell at the Diepkloof Rock Shelter in the Western Cape, South Africa.
They show the same symbols are used over and over again, and the team say there are signs that the symbols evolved over 5,000 years.
This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking, say the team.
[Another researcher is quoted:] 'Judging from what we know about the evolution of art all over the world, there may have been many [written language] traditions that were born, lasted for some time, and then vanished.
This may be one of them, most probably not the first and certainly not the last.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359084</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>Adelbert</author>
	<datestamp>1267724040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to a tentative theory mentioned in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Egypt-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192854194" title="amazon.com">Ancient Egypt: A Very Short Introduction</a> [amazon.com], it's possible that the early Ancient Egyptians heard about the technology of "written languages", and then got their top scientists onto replicating the concept, in order to try to correct the economic and military disparity that would result from being illiterate in a literate world.</p><p>I'm not sure how well accepted this hypothesis is, but I find it an intriguing idea. It certainly fits in with the behaviour of nations today, as they scramble to try to replicate nuclear technology, say, or high quality Internet search engines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to a tentative theory mentioned in Ancient Egypt : A Very Short Introduction [ amazon.com ] , it 's possible that the early Ancient Egyptians heard about the technology of " written languages " , and then got their top scientists onto replicating the concept , in order to try to correct the economic and military disparity that would result from being illiterate in a literate world.I 'm not sure how well accepted this hypothesis is , but I find it an intriguing idea .
It certainly fits in with the behaviour of nations today , as they scramble to try to replicate nuclear technology , say , or high quality Internet search engines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to a tentative theory mentioned in Ancient Egypt: A Very Short Introduction [amazon.com], it's possible that the early Ancient Egyptians heard about the technology of "written languages", and then got their top scientists onto replicating the concept, in order to try to correct the economic and military disparity that would result from being illiterate in a literate world.I'm not sure how well accepted this hypothesis is, but I find it an intriguing idea.
It certainly fits in with the behaviour of nations today, as they scramble to try to replicate nuclear technology, say, or high quality Internet search engines.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358642</id>
	<title>What's even more interesting is...</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1267722240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the handwriting is on the inside of the shells.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the handwriting is on the inside of the shells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the handwriting is on the inside of the shells.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359330</id>
	<title>They should come here</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1267725060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking, say the team.</p></div><p>So that explains the constant duplicate Slashdot stories!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking , say the team.So that explains the constant duplicate Slashdot stories !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking, say the team.So that explains the constant duplicate Slashdot stories!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358608</id>
	<title>In other news ...</title>
	<author>krou</author>
	<datestamp>1267722060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other news, a preserved skeleton of a a giant prehistoric rabbit-like creature was found in the Diepkloof Rock Shelter in the Western Cape, South Africa.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , a preserved skeleton of a a giant prehistoric rabbit-like creature was found in the Diepkloof Rock Shelter in the Western Cape , South Africa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, a preserved skeleton of a a giant prehistoric rabbit-like creature was found in the Diepkloof Rock Shelter in the Western Cape, South Africa.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358780</id>
	<title>It says...</title>
	<author>goffster</author>
	<datestamp>1267722900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get viagra cheap at mongo's monster med madness sale!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get viagra cheap at mongo 's monster med madness sale !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get viagra cheap at mongo's monster med madness sale!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359348</id>
	<title>Oh please...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267725120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that's nonsense.   Progress is real.</p><p>Take computing:  when I started in the digital world (PDPs) it took hours to do anything useful on a computer.  Now it takes hours to do anything useful but we have a lot more pixels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's nonsense .
Progress is real.Take computing : when I started in the digital world ( PDPs ) it took hours to do anything useful on a computer .
Now it takes hours to do anything useful but we have a lot more pixels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's nonsense.
Progress is real.Take computing:  when I started in the digital world (PDPs) it took hours to do anything useful on a computer.
Now it takes hours to do anything useful but we have a lot more pixels.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358198</id>
	<title>The inscription</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267719840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mmmmmmmm.... bacon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mmmmmmmm.... bacon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mmmmmmmm.... bacon</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358798</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267723020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The small sample they provide is beautiful, but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering, simple decoration.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Oh dear no!  We should limit all of science to only what the dumbest layman can understand!  Then and only then no one will feel excluded or uncomfortable.  Let's just dumb down EVERYTHING!  Oh wait, for the most part we already have...
<br> <br>
Please, let's not do to science what Windows has done to computers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The small sample they provide is beautiful , but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering , simple decoration .
Oh dear no !
We should limit all of science to only what the dumbest layman can understand !
Then and only then no one will feel excluded or uncomfortable .
Let 's just dumb down EVERYTHING !
Oh wait , for the most part we already have.. . Please , let 's not do to science what Windows has done to computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The small sample they provide is beautiful, but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering, simple decoration.
Oh dear no!
We should limit all of science to only what the dumbest layman can understand!
Then and only then no one will feel excluded or uncomfortable.
Let's just dumb down EVERYTHING!
Oh wait, for the most part we already have...
 
Please, let's not do to science what Windows has done to computers.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358828</id>
	<title>I know what it said!</title>
	<author>WheelDweller</author>
	<datestamp>1267723140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Don't fear, closed-minded scientists- I saw the big bang, and God wasn't there. No need to worry."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:&gt;</p><p>Funny how the "open minded" snap shut when you tell them the dataset resides in the Bible...won't even look. Discredited source, though they have no answers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Do n't fear , closed-minded scientists- I saw the big bang , and God was n't there .
No need to worry .
" : &gt; Funny how the " open minded " snap shut when you tell them the dataset resides in the Bible...wo n't even look .
Discredited source , though they have no answers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Don't fear, closed-minded scientists- I saw the big bang, and God wasn't there.
No need to worry.
" :&gt;Funny how the "open minded" snap shut when you tell them the dataset resides in the Bible...won't even look.
Discredited source, though they have no answers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360206</id>
	<title>Ia! Ia! Cthullu ftahgn!</title>
	<author>ILoveWilliamHague</author>
	<datestamp>1267728600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ia! Ia! Cthullu ftahgn!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ia !
Ia ! Cthullu ftahgn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ia!
Ia! Cthullu ftahgn!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358384</id>
	<title>I hope</title>
	<author>jimbobborg</author>
	<datestamp>1267720800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope no one was walking on those eggshells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope no one was walking on those eggshells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope no one was walking on those eggshells.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359032</id>
	<title>Re:The amazing human journey</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267723800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best part of the Slashdot comments is seeing how many people think they have something worthwhile and witty to say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best part of the Slashdot comments is seeing how many people think they have something worthwhile and witty to say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best part of the Slashdot comments is seeing how many people think they have something worthwhile and witty to say.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358556</id>
	<title>What does it say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267721760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably: boil egg in water for 10 mins.
<br>
<br>
I'm assuming it's chicken eggs but perhaps they were eating some other egg (duck, turtle, etc) back then?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably : boil egg in water for 10 mins .
I 'm assuming it 's chicken eggs but perhaps they were eating some other egg ( duck , turtle , etc ) back then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably: boil egg in water for 10 mins.
I'm assuming it's chicken eggs but perhaps they were eating some other egg (duck, turtle, etc) back then?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360040</id>
	<title>Re:The amazing human journey</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267727760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your post is also a fine example of modern society. You're no longer being chased by jesus riding a velociraptor, and yet you're still whining. Some people are never happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post is also a fine example of modern society .
You 're no longer being chased by jesus riding a velociraptor , and yet you 're still whining .
Some people are never happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post is also a fine example of modern society.
You're no longer being chased by jesus riding a velociraptor, and yet you're still whining.
Some people are never happy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31380090</id>
	<title>Just decoration?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267882860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me that looks like decorative patterns. Like on vases, terracotta or Easter eggs.<br>But of course that does&rsquo;t sound as sensationalist...</p><p>My guess: The transition is smooth. There is something for every point between our written language and a simple scratch in the ground.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me that looks like decorative patterns .
Like on vases , terracotta or Easter eggs.But of course that does    t sound as sensationalist...My guess : The transition is smooth .
There is something for every point between our written language and a simple scratch in the ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me that looks like decorative patterns.
Like on vases, terracotta or Easter eggs.But of course that does’t sound as sensationalist...My guess: The transition is smooth.
There is something for every point between our written language and a simple scratch in the ground.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358500</id>
	<title>This article was from PNAS, huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267721400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PNAS jokes practically write themselves!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PNAS jokes practically write themselves !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PNAS jokes practically write themselves!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359434</id>
	<title>Re:The writing says</title>
	<author>dogsbreath</author>
	<datestamp>1267725420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, this is an ancient symbol for "Organic Free Range Omega".</p><p>The first marketing campaign.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , this is an ancient symbol for " Organic Free Range Omega " .The first marketing campaign .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, this is an ancient symbol for "Organic Free Range Omega".The first marketing campaign.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358200</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358720</id>
	<title>writing on egg shells last longer than Disk Drives</title>
	<author>goffster</author>
	<datestamp>1267722720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or for DVD's for that matter</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or for DVD 's for that matter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or for DVD's for that matter</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31364452</id>
	<title>Re:The amazing human journey</title>
	<author>Stupid McStupidson</author>
	<datestamp>1267704900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In 60,000 years we've progressed from scratching symbols on eggshells and shitting in caves to producing electronic television shows like "Jersey Shore" and "The Hills." How far we've come.</p></div><p> In which direction?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In 60,000 years we 've progressed from scratching symbols on eggshells and shitting in caves to producing electronic television shows like " Jersey Shore " and " The Hills .
" How far we 've come .
In which direction ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 60,000 years we've progressed from scratching symbols on eggshells and shitting in caves to producing electronic television shows like "Jersey Shore" and "The Hills.
" How far we've come.
In which direction?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358472</id>
	<title>Re:The amazing human journey</title>
	<author>JeanBaptiste</author>
	<datestamp>1267721280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still shit in a cave, you insensitive clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still shit in a cave , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still shit in a cave, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358714</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>digitalhermit</author>
	<datestamp>1267722660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In order to produce art it seems that you'd need a community around you. Without a community it would be difficult to find the time to do anything beyond mere surviving....</p><p>Or maybe not.. It could be that there are long periods of inactivity -- sitting around waiting for the rain to stop or last night's meal to digest -- punctuated by moments of actual survival. Maybe game was super plenty.</p><p>In either case, I like to think that those first human artists were not so different from those today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to produce art it seems that you 'd need a community around you .
Without a community it would be difficult to find the time to do anything beyond mere surviving....Or maybe not.. It could be that there are long periods of inactivity -- sitting around waiting for the rain to stop or last night 's meal to digest -- punctuated by moments of actual survival .
Maybe game was super plenty.In either case , I like to think that those first human artists were not so different from those today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to produce art it seems that you'd need a community around you.
Without a community it would be difficult to find the time to do anything beyond mere surviving....Or maybe not.. It could be that there are long periods of inactivity -- sitting around waiting for the rain to stop or last night's meal to digest -- punctuated by moments of actual survival.
Maybe game was super plenty.In either case, I like to think that those first human artists were not so different from those today.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358196</id>
	<title>FP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267719840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Odds the first writing said "Frosty Piss"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Odds the first writing said " Frosty Piss " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Odds the first writing said "Frosty Piss"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359446</id>
	<title>hmm</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1267725480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would not surprise me, I'm sure independent writing systems popped up all over the place then died out.  One example would be Inca khopu knot-tying notation.  Woo, that anthropology degree finally came in handy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would not surprise me , I 'm sure independent writing systems popped up all over the place then died out .
One example would be Inca khopu knot-tying notation .
Woo , that anthropology degree finally came in handy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would not surprise me, I'm sure independent writing systems popped up all over the place then died out.
One example would be Inca khopu knot-tying notation.
Woo, that anthropology degree finally came in handy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361886</id>
	<title>All your cave...</title>
	<author>zawarski</author>
	<datestamp>1267693620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...are belong to us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...are belong to us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...are belong to us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360596</id>
	<title>Re:Ancient traditions</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1267730640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I'm sure the Gnu that came along and Bashed the Eggshells must have been considered not user friendly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm sure the Gnu that came along and Bashed the Eggshells must have been considered not user friendly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm sure the Gnu that came along and Bashed the Eggshells must have been considered not user friendly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361348</id>
	<title>Earliest writing ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267734240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only thing I see is vertical segments.</p><p>I suppose this is some sort of primitive way to count objects, like an abacus but written on eggshells, since they didn't know paper at this time.<br>There are a lot of segments, and they probably didn't have an advanced mathematical system to represent large numbers.</p><p>How can the searchers deduce it's some undecipherable writing ? This is a mystery for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing I see is vertical segments.I suppose this is some sort of primitive way to count objects , like an abacus but written on eggshells , since they did n't know paper at this time.There are a lot of segments , and they probably did n't have an advanced mathematical system to represent large numbers.How can the searchers deduce it 's some undecipherable writing ?
This is a mystery for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing I see is vertical segments.I suppose this is some sort of primitive way to count objects, like an abacus but written on eggshells, since they didn't know paper at this time.There are a lot of segments, and they probably didn't have an advanced mathematical system to represent large numbers.How can the searchers deduce it's some undecipherable writing ?
This is a mystery for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358200</id>
	<title>The writing says</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267719900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The writing says</p><p>Best Before: Birth of Christ</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The writing saysBest Before : Birth of Christ</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The writing saysBest Before: Birth of Christ</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359210</id>
	<title>No matter how minimalistic, this *is* amazing.</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1267724520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps these symbols were still far from forming a structured script. Still, from the article it seems that they were used for communication, which is the main goal of writing. The reason why this is amazing is clear when you put it into the context of humankind 60.000 years later: we STILL have tribes that have no concept of writing, and in some countries analphabetism is affecting large swaths of the population.</p><p>That reminds me of Civilization, when you "find Writing in scrolls of ancient wisdom". Who knows how much of such "ancient wisdom" was lost and then re-developed only to be lost again, during these past tens of millennia. In fact, a lot of the engineering and science developed during the Apollo program, with the passing of Wernher von Braun and some of his colleagues, can well be considered lost. Sorry for the digression.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps these symbols were still far from forming a structured script .
Still , from the article it seems that they were used for communication , which is the main goal of writing .
The reason why this is amazing is clear when you put it into the context of humankind 60.000 years later : we STILL have tribes that have no concept of writing , and in some countries analphabetism is affecting large swaths of the population.That reminds me of Civilization , when you " find Writing in scrolls of ancient wisdom " .
Who knows how much of such " ancient wisdom " was lost and then re-developed only to be lost again , during these past tens of millennia .
In fact , a lot of the engineering and science developed during the Apollo program , with the passing of Wernher von Braun and some of his colleagues , can well be considered lost .
Sorry for the digression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps these symbols were still far from forming a structured script.
Still, from the article it seems that they were used for communication, which is the main goal of writing.
The reason why this is amazing is clear when you put it into the context of humankind 60.000 years later: we STILL have tribes that have no concept of writing, and in some countries analphabetism is affecting large swaths of the population.That reminds me of Civilization, when you "find Writing in scrolls of ancient wisdom".
Who knows how much of such "ancient wisdom" was lost and then re-developed only to be lost again, during these past tens of millennia.
In fact, a lot of the engineering and science developed during the Apollo program, with the passing of Wernher von Braun and some of his colleagues, can well be considered lost.
Sorry for the digression.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358292</id>
	<title>Translation:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267720380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kilroy will be here</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kilroy will be here</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kilroy will be here</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360606</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>giorgosts</author>
	<datestamp>1267730700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9062/56613036.png" title="imageshack.us" rel="nofollow">http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9062/56613036.png</a> [imageshack.us]<br><a href="http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9918/37977165.png" title="imageshack.us" rel="nofollow">http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9918/37977165.png</a> [imageshack.us]<br><a href="http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3168/65378241.png" title="imageshack.us" rel="nofollow">http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3168/65378241.png</a> [imageshack.us]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //img155.imageshack.us/img155/9062/56613036.png [ imageshack.us ] http : //img51.imageshack.us/img51/9918/37977165.png [ imageshack.us ] http : //img51.imageshack.us/img51/3168/65378241.png [ imageshack.us ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9062/56613036.png [imageshack.us]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9918/37977165.png [imageshack.us]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3168/65378241.png [imageshack.us]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361268</id>
	<title>Re:The inscription</title>
	<author>roxteddy</author>
	<datestamp>1267733940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also discovered: These symbols developed over time into the lion we know today</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also discovered : These symbols developed over time into the lion we know today</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also discovered: These symbols developed over time into the lion we know today</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358198</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360290</id>
	<title>actually</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267729080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually the inscription was strangely written in mirror-image and read "HELP! GET ME OUT OF HERE!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually the inscription was strangely written in mirror-image and read " HELP !
GET ME OUT OF HERE !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually the inscription was strangely written in mirror-image and read "HELP!
GET ME OUT OF HERE!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358226</id>
	<title>The amazing human journey</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1267720020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In 60,000 years we've progressed from scratching symbols on eggshells and shitting in caves to producing electronic television shows like "Jersey Shore" and "The Hills." How far we've come.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In 60,000 years we 've progressed from scratching symbols on eggshells and shitting in caves to producing electronic television shows like " Jersey Shore " and " The Hills .
" How far we 've come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 60,000 years we've progressed from scratching symbols on eggshells and shitting in caves to producing electronic television shows like "Jersey Shore" and "The Hills.
" How far we've come.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361220</id>
	<title>Re:The inscription</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267733700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aw c'mon people.  It's obvious. It said "First Post"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aw c'mon people .
It 's obvious .
It said " First Post "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aw c'mon people.
It's obvious.
It said "First Post"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358198</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360536</id>
	<title>No, Mmmmmmmm.... Calcium</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267730340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The inscription: Made by a kind of insect or worm that liked the calcium in the shell.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The inscription : Made by a kind of insect or worm that liked the calcium in the shell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The inscription: Made by a kind of insect or worm that liked the calcium in the shell.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358198</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361916</id>
	<title>Easter Eggs</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1267693740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about writing, but it's got to be the earliest example of Easter Eggs, both literal and metaphorical.  IMO, they should also win Best Hiding Spot, since it took 60,000 years to find them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about writing , but it 's got to be the earliest example of Easter Eggs , both literal and metaphorical .
IMO , they should also win Best Hiding Spot , since it took 60,000 years to find them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about writing, but it's got to be the earliest example of Easter Eggs, both literal and metaphorical.
IMO, they should also win Best Hiding Spot, since it took 60,000 years to find them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358530</id>
	<title>Ancient traditions</title>
	<author>digitalhermit</author>
	<datestamp>1267721580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They show the same symbols are used over and over again, and the team say there are signs that the symbols evolved over 5,000 years. This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking, say the team.</i></p><p>Indeed, this is quite true and the tradition continues. It's hard to imagine our forebears scratching symbols in eggshell and that one day it would lead to us scratching symbols in kornshell.  The shells then were quite fragile, barely able to withstand an errant pointer. A misplaced hash would lead to a shell escape. And don't even get me started on bash.  When the ancients were using eggshell, there were many competing mediums. Deer horns and bits of pottery, jade, flecks of obsidian -- they were all prettier and easier to work with. Today it's the same -- there's ruby and perl and a host of others -- but kornshell, and its ancestor eggshell, will always have a place in my heart,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They show the same symbols are used over and over again , and the team say there are signs that the symbols evolved over 5,000 years .
This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking , say the team.Indeed , this is quite true and the tradition continues .
It 's hard to imagine our forebears scratching symbols in eggshell and that one day it would lead to us scratching symbols in kornshell .
The shells then were quite fragile , barely able to withstand an errant pointer .
A misplaced hash would lead to a shell escape .
And do n't even get me started on bash .
When the ancients were using eggshell , there were many competing mediums .
Deer horns and bits of pottery , jade , flecks of obsidian -- they were all prettier and easier to work with .
Today it 's the same -- there 's ruby and perl and a host of others -- but kornshell , and its ancestor eggshell , will always have a place in my heart,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They show the same symbols are used over and over again, and the team say there are signs that the symbols evolved over 5,000 years.
This long-term repetition is a hallmark of symbolic communication and a sign of modern human thinking, say the team.Indeed, this is quite true and the tradition continues.
It's hard to imagine our forebears scratching symbols in eggshell and that one day it would lead to us scratching symbols in kornshell.
The shells then were quite fragile, barely able to withstand an errant pointer.
A misplaced hash would lead to a shell escape.
And don't even get me started on bash.
When the ancients were using eggshell, there were many competing mediums.
Deer horns and bits of pottery, jade, flecks of obsidian -- they were all prettier and easier to work with.
Today it's the same -- there's ruby and perl and a host of others -- but kornshell, and its ancestor eggshell, will always have a place in my heart,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358312</id>
	<title>Just unfound ...</title>
	<author>Rambo Tribble</author>
	<datestamp>1267720500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... Easter eggs. What's the big deal?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Easter eggs .
What 's the big deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Easter eggs.
What's the big deal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360394</id>
	<title>Re:The amazing human journey</title>
	<author>mdielmann</author>
	<datestamp>1267729680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We probably shit outside the caves.  Most of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We probably shit outside the caves .
Most of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We probably shit outside the caves.
Most of the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31362302</id>
	<title>Re:Shells are old, but how old are the markings?</title>
	<author>tobiah</author>
	<datestamp>1267695780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe they look at the carvings in a microscope and examine how much erosion has occurred since the marks were made.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe they look at the carvings in a microscope and examine how much erosion has occurred since the marks were made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe they look at the carvings in a microscope and examine how much erosion has occurred since the marks were made.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358538</id>
	<title>Likely meaning...</title>
	<author>trurl7</author>
	<datestamp>1267721640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F1RST SKR4TCH!</p><p>The pink one says "ZOMG, Z3BR4Z!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F1RST SKR4TCH ! The pink one says " ZOMG , Z3BR4Z !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F1RST SKR4TCH!The pink one says "ZOMG, Z3BR4Z!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358772</id>
	<title>Roc hunting game</title>
	<author>lymond01</author>
	<datestamp>1267722900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Thag!  We finally managed to climb to the great bird nest in level 3 peak.  There was a mini-game!  Look at the writing on this egg!"</p><p>"Let me see that..."</p><p>[You are in a clearing.  A small cabin sits to the east.  A dark forest is to the north.  Impenetrable bushes are to the south and west.  Choose the blue egg to go east.  Choose the red egg to go north.]</p><p>"Oooh...Dark forest sounds cool.  Open the red egg!"</p><p>[It is dark.  You are likely to be eaten by a grue.]</p><p>Both cavemen frown.</p><p>"Not very original.  This just happened to Grok yesterday."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Thag !
We finally managed to climb to the great bird nest in level 3 peak .
There was a mini-game !
Look at the writing on this egg !
" " Let me see that... " [ You are in a clearing .
A small cabin sits to the east .
A dark forest is to the north .
Impenetrable bushes are to the south and west .
Choose the blue egg to go east .
Choose the red egg to go north .
] " Oooh...Dark forest sounds cool .
Open the red egg !
" [ It is dark .
You are likely to be eaten by a grue .
] Both cavemen frown .
" Not very original .
This just happened to Grok yesterday .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Thag!
We finally managed to climb to the great bird nest in level 3 peak.
There was a mini-game!
Look at the writing on this egg!
""Let me see that..."[You are in a clearing.
A small cabin sits to the east.
A dark forest is to the north.
Impenetrable bushes are to the south and west.
Choose the blue egg to go east.
Choose the red egg to go north.
]"Oooh...Dark forest sounds cool.
Open the red egg!
"[It is dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
]Both cavemen frown.
"Not very original.
This just happened to Grok yesterday.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358236</id>
	<title>Very well hidden...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267720080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easter eggs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easter eggs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easter eggs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358650</id>
	<title>High-res photo...</title>
	<author>kirill.s</author>
	<datestamp>1267722240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We need some better pics.<br>
From home it looks now, my best bet is that it's just an ornament of some sort.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254783/Researchers-discover-ostrich-egg-engravings-thought-earliest-form-writing.html" title="dailymail.co.uk" rel="nofollow">This</a> [dailymail.co.uk] looks somewhat better than the pics in the summary link. (Or have I not found the good ones?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need some better pics .
From home it looks now , my best bet is that it 's just an ornament of some sort .
This [ dailymail.co.uk ] looks somewhat better than the pics in the summary link .
( Or have I not found the good ones ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need some better pics.
From home it looks now, my best bet is that it's just an ornament of some sort.
This [dailymail.co.uk] looks somewhat better than the pics in the summary link.
(Or have I not found the good ones?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361036</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>vikingpower</author>
	<datestamp>1267732680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I like to think that those first human artists were not so different from those today.</p></div><p>Hm. I am a poet, and therefore an artist. Are you saying that I still shit in a cave ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like to think that those first human artists were not so different from those today.Hm .
I am a poet , and therefore an artist .
Are you saying that I still shit in a cave ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like to think that those first human artists were not so different from those today.Hm.
I am a poet, and therefore an artist.
Are you saying that I still shit in a cave ?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358714</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358504</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>daremonai</author>
	<datestamp>1267721460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I wish in articles like these they presented more of the source images, and in higher resolution.</i>
<p>
Unfortunately, they can't; early humans had established a 70,000-year copyright period. And their DMCA takedown notices come by club and bone-tipped arrow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish in articles like these they presented more of the source images , and in higher resolution .
Unfortunately , they ca n't ; early humans had established a 70,000-year copyright period .
And their DMCA takedown notices come by club and bone-tipped arrow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish in articles like these they presented more of the source images, and in higher resolution.
Unfortunately, they can't; early humans had established a 70,000-year copyright period.
And their DMCA takedown notices come by club and bone-tipped arrow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358406</id>
	<title>Shopping List</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1267720920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Turns out it was a shopping list. First item on the list? Eggs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turns out it was a shopping list .
First item on the list ?
Eggs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turns out it was a shopping list.
First item on the list?
Eggs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360996</id>
	<title>Re:The inscription</title>
	<author>should\_be\_linear</author>
	<datestamp>1267732560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It if fragment of lonegr text, and says "Even if they never come back to this planet again, these flying cars are positively coolest thing \_ever\_".</htmltext>
<tokenext>It if fragment of lonegr text , and says " Even if they never come back to this planet again , these flying cars are positively coolest thing \ _ever \ _ " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It if fragment of lonegr text, and says "Even if they never come back to this planet again, these flying cars are positively coolest thing \_ever\_".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31369246</id>
	<title>When is a symbol deemed 'writing' or 'art'?</title>
	<author>howzit</author>
	<datestamp>1267790280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is a well documented fact that the San (Bushman) marked individual ostrich eggshell containers as proof of ownership. These were mostly used as water containers and buried in areas where there is no surface water for long periods of time (eg the Kalahari Desert). The San have been doing this for, quite literally, time immemorial and, indeed, do so to this very day. It must also be remembered that the ostrich eggshell is NOT 'fragile'. They could store water for hundreds of years if the opening was sealed with fibre and melted bees-wax. Far longer than any wooden, skin or earthen-ware container would. Also, in a cave deposit, OSTRICH eggshell will outlast pottery, even bone, only stone will survive longer than Ostrich eggshell. So when is a symbol of ownership deemed to be 'writing' or 'art'. Are we to now say these inhabitants weren't illiterate? The Howiesons Poort shelter gives it's name to a specific tradition that corresponds with the European Mesolithic (in South Africa called the Middle Stone Age), which goes back to 80,000 years BP. That's a LONG time ago!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a well documented fact that the San ( Bushman ) marked individual ostrich eggshell containers as proof of ownership .
These were mostly used as water containers and buried in areas where there is no surface water for long periods of time ( eg the Kalahari Desert ) .
The San have been doing this for , quite literally , time immemorial and , indeed , do so to this very day .
It must also be remembered that the ostrich eggshell is NOT 'fragile' .
They could store water for hundreds of years if the opening was sealed with fibre and melted bees-wax .
Far longer than any wooden , skin or earthen-ware container would .
Also , in a cave deposit , OSTRICH eggshell will outlast pottery , even bone , only stone will survive longer than Ostrich eggshell .
So when is a symbol of ownership deemed to be 'writing ' or 'art' .
Are we to now say these inhabitants were n't illiterate ?
The Howiesons Poort shelter gives it 's name to a specific tradition that corresponds with the European Mesolithic ( in South Africa called the Middle Stone Age ) , which goes back to 80,000 years BP .
That 's a LONG time ago !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a well documented fact that the San (Bushman) marked individual ostrich eggshell containers as proof of ownership.
These were mostly used as water containers and buried in areas where there is no surface water for long periods of time (eg the Kalahari Desert).
The San have been doing this for, quite literally, time immemorial and, indeed, do so to this very day.
It must also be remembered that the ostrich eggshell is NOT 'fragile'.
They could store water for hundreds of years if the opening was sealed with fibre and melted bees-wax.
Far longer than any wooden, skin or earthen-ware container would.
Also, in a cave deposit, OSTRICH eggshell will outlast pottery, even bone, only stone will survive longer than Ostrich eggshell.
So when is a symbol of ownership deemed to be 'writing' or 'art'.
Are we to now say these inhabitants weren't illiterate?
The Howiesons Poort shelter gives it's name to a specific tradition that corresponds with the European Mesolithic (in South Africa called the Middle Stone Age), which goes back to 80,000 years BP.
That's a LONG time ago!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361764</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>ArsonSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1267736280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>obviously they all say:</p><p>FIRST POST!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>obviously they all say : FIRST POST !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>obviously they all say:FIRST POST!
!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360726</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>ZoobieWa</author>
	<datestamp>1267731300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hear hear! Can anyone find images with better res? I'm trying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hear hear !
Can anyone find images with better res ?
I 'm trying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hear hear!
Can anyone find images with better res?
I'm trying.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358262</id>
	<title>Mmm Eggs</title>
	<author>PalmKiller</author>
	<datestamp>1267720200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It probably says something like, My Eggs, Hands Off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It probably says something like , My Eggs , Hands Off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It probably says something like, My Eggs, Hands Off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359240</id>
	<title>Before the last "wipe"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267724640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was the species before the last cleanup of the Matrix.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was the species before the last cleanup of the Matrix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was the species before the last cleanup of the Matrix.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358536</id>
	<title>I have examined the shells...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267721640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have examined the shells, and have been able to decipher the images.  It reads...</p><p>VERY FIRST POST.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have examined the shells , and have been able to decipher the images .
It reads...VERY FIRST POST .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have examined the shells, and have been able to decipher the images.
It reads...VERY FIRST POST.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361310</id>
	<title>Re:No matter how minimalistic, this *is* amazing.</title>
	<author>Gulthek</author>
	<datestamp>1267734120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who knows how much of such "ancient wisdom" was lost and then re-developed only to be lost again, during these past tens of millennia.</p></div><p>All of it, and remove the word "ancient". The (multiple and discrete) dinosaur space programs were a huge success, but everything that didn't escape Earth orbit was subsumed into the strata millions of years ago after each of their extinction level events.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who knows how much of such " ancient wisdom " was lost and then re-developed only to be lost again , during these past tens of millennia.All of it , and remove the word " ancient " .
The ( multiple and discrete ) dinosaur space programs were a huge success , but everything that did n't escape Earth orbit was subsumed into the strata millions of years ago after each of their extinction level events .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who knows how much of such "ancient wisdom" was lost and then re-developed only to be lost again, during these past tens of millennia.All of it, and remove the word "ancient".
The (multiple and discrete) dinosaur space programs were a huge success, but everything that didn't escape Earth orbit was subsumed into the strata millions of years ago after each of their extinction level events.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358440</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267721160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's interesting to imagine the first lonely human writers at the dawn of written language - how many wrote things only they themselves could understand, before coincidence formed the first community of proto-literate people? How much of this early writing was just the smooth flow of art - abstract or representational - into more concrete meanings relevant to the every day lives even of the illterate?</p></div></blockquote><p>Are you really asking about the ratio of <br>a) Written languages invented fully formed, spread when several individuals who had invented a written language met by accident<br> and b) Written languages evolved from simple symbols?<br> <br>I'd say the ratio is about the same as animals created from scratch vs. evolved from simpler ones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting to imagine the first lonely human writers at the dawn of written language - how many wrote things only they themselves could understand , before coincidence formed the first community of proto-literate people ?
How much of this early writing was just the smooth flow of art - abstract or representational - into more concrete meanings relevant to the every day lives even of the illterate ? Are you really asking about the ratio of a ) Written languages invented fully formed , spread when several individuals who had invented a written language met by accident and b ) Written languages evolved from simple symbols ?
I 'd say the ratio is about the same as animals created from scratch vs. evolved from simpler ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting to imagine the first lonely human writers at the dawn of written language - how many wrote things only they themselves could understand, before coincidence formed the first community of proto-literate people?
How much of this early writing was just the smooth flow of art - abstract or representational - into more concrete meanings relevant to the every day lives even of the illterate?Are you really asking about the ratio of a) Written languages invented fully formed, spread when several individuals who had invented a written language met by accident and b) Written languages evolved from simple symbols?
I'd say the ratio is about the same as animals created from scratch vs. evolved from simpler ones.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359516</id>
	<title>Turn the eggshell upside down</title>
	<author>Naked Jaybird</author>
	<datestamp>1267725720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>577345993</htmltext>
<tokenext>577345993</tokentext>
<sentencetext>577345993</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31360276</id>
	<title>So, you write your shopping list on the old stuff?</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1267729020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, you write your shopping list on the old stuff?
</p><p>Hope you never run out of toilet paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you write your shopping list on the old stuff ?
Hope you never run out of toilet paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you write your shopping list on the old stuff?
Hope you never run out of toilet paper.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358406</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358784</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>Concern</author>
	<datestamp>1267722900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. I'm ruminating about what it was like for an intelligent person's fiddling with ink or clay carving to take on some of the characteristics of writing. How it happened, how it looked, whether it was a solitary development, and if so, how often it happened?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
I 'm ruminating about what it was like for an intelligent person 's fiddling with ink or clay carving to take on some of the characteristics of writing .
How it happened , how it looked , whether it was a solitary development , and if so , how often it happened ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
I'm ruminating about what it was like for an intelligent person's fiddling with ink or clay carving to take on some of the characteristics of writing.
How it happened, how it looked, whether it was a solitary development, and if so, how often it happened?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359328</id>
	<title>Re:Shells are old, but how old are the markings?</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1267725000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you're positing that primitive cultures would conduct archaeological digs in order to find ancient egg shells to write on, rather than using the shells of eggs placed conveniently on the ground by contemporary birds.</p><p>Interesting.</p><p>Hey, since it was one of the archaeologists who made this discovery that pointed out that bushmen still carved shells recently, I bet he could test out this hypothesis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're positing that primitive cultures would conduct archaeological digs in order to find ancient egg shells to write on , rather than using the shells of eggs placed conveniently on the ground by contemporary birds.Interesting.Hey , since it was one of the archaeologists who made this discovery that pointed out that bushmen still carved shells recently , I bet he could test out this hypothesis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're positing that primitive cultures would conduct archaeological digs in order to find ancient egg shells to write on, rather than using the shells of eggs placed conveniently on the ground by contemporary birds.Interesting.Hey, since it was one of the archaeologists who made this discovery that pointed out that bushmen still carved shells recently, I bet he could test out this hypothesis.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358614</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358502</id>
	<title>Vinca</title>
	<author>dargaud</author>
	<datestamp>1267721460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are several proto-writings, such as the <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Vin\%C4\%8Da\_signs" title="wikimedia.org">Vinca script</a> [wikimedia.org] which are fascinating, but also hotly debated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are several proto-writings , such as the Vinca script [ wikimedia.org ] which are fascinating , but also hotly debated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are several proto-writings, such as the Vinca script [wikimedia.org] which are fascinating, but also hotly debated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358614</id>
	<title>Shells are old, but how old are the markings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267722060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I understand they can carbondate the shells.<br>However, how did they date the markings?<br>They may be 300 yrs old.<br>Especially considering bushmen were still carving shells recently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I understand they can carbondate the shells.However , how did they date the markings ? They may be 300 yrs old.Especially considering bushmen were still carving shells recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I understand they can carbondate the shells.However, how did they date the markings?They may be 300 yrs old.Especially considering bushmen were still carving shells recently.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358844</id>
	<title>Typo In Headline &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267723200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like there's an extra 0 in both the headline and summary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like there 's an extra 0 in both the headline and summary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like there's an extra 0 in both the headline and summary.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31361076</id>
	<title>Re:Ancient traditions</title>
	<author>vikingpower</author>
	<datestamp>1267732920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the funniest comment I read on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. in a long, long time ! Almost choked on my wine while reading it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the funniest comment I read on / .
in a long , long time !
Almost choked on my wine while reading it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the funniest comment I read on /.
in a long, long time !
Almost choked on my wine while reading it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359184</id>
	<title>Re:The inscription</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267724400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no no no no... it says "First Post!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no no no no... it says " First Post !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no no no no... it says "First Post!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359492</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>AthanasiusKircher</author>
	<datestamp>1267725660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The small sample they provide is beautiful, but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering, simple decoration.</p></div><p>Indeed.  Without some further explanation, the images look like these could simply be something like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg\_decorating" title="wikipedia.org">decorated eggs</a> [wikipedia.org].  Lots of cultures have done it over many millennia, and the patterns you often see are quite complex.  My grandmother used to make a Russian/Ukrainian form of them, and she clearly "evolved" patterns of lines by varying those made by her mother and other women in her community.</p><p>

I'm not saying the researchers don't know what they're talking about.  Just from the description of "repetitive patterns" and the images, it's hard to see the difference between language and decoration in this case.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The small sample they provide is beautiful , but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering , simple decoration.Indeed .
Without some further explanation , the images look like these could simply be something like decorated eggs [ wikipedia.org ] .
Lots of cultures have done it over many millennia , and the patterns you often see are quite complex .
My grandmother used to make a Russian/Ukrainian form of them , and she clearly " evolved " patterns of lines by varying those made by her mother and other women in her community .
I 'm not saying the researchers do n't know what they 're talking about .
Just from the description of " repetitive patterns " and the images , it 's hard to see the difference between language and decoration in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The small sample they provide is beautiful, but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering, simple decoration.Indeed.
Without some further explanation, the images look like these could simply be something like decorated eggs [wikipedia.org].
Lots of cultures have done it over many millennia, and the patterns you often see are quite complex.
My grandmother used to make a Russian/Ukrainian form of them, and she clearly "evolved" patterns of lines by varying those made by her mother and other women in her community.
I'm not saying the researchers don't know what they're talking about.
Just from the description of "repetitive patterns" and the images, it's hard to see the difference between language and decoration in this case.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31359706</id>
	<title>Walking on egshells...</title>
	<author>poly\_pusher</author>
	<datestamp>1267726380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>*CRUUUNCH*

WTF DUDE!...  That was my hunting/gathering thesis paper.  Watch where you're walking and what did I say about bringing your club inside the cave!</htmltext>
<tokenext>* CRUUUNCH * WTF DUDE ! .. .
That was my hunting/gathering thesis paper .
Watch where you 're walking and what did I say about bringing your club inside the cave !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*CRUUUNCH*

WTF DUDE!...
That was my hunting/gathering thesis paper.
Watch where you're walking and what did I say about bringing your club inside the cave!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358274</id>
	<title>The writing's on the wall.....</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1267720260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did it make any more sense than current txt spk?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did it make any more sense than current txt spk ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did it make any more sense than current txt spk?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358548</id>
	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>Group XVII</author>
	<datestamp>1267721700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no evidence of earlier hominids playing with even simple decoration, afaik.  If we interpret these repetitive designs through what we know about epigraphy rather the study of modern written languages, the claims are less limited.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no evidence of earlier hominids playing with even simple decoration , afaik .
If we interpret these repetitive designs through what we know about epigraphy rather the study of modern written languages , the claims are less limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no evidence of earlier hominids playing with even simple decoration, afaik.
If we interpret these repetitive designs through what we know about epigraphy rather the study of modern written languages, the claims are less limited.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_1434252.31358670</id>
	<title>I suspect ancient "Einsteins" were possible</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1267722420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>By an ancient Einstein, I mean someone who develops as significant piece of technology in a single generation. Like fossils in evolutions, this could be so fast that it was not saved in the archeologic record. Two Examples:
<br> Egyptian pyramids went for stacked sand-walled mastabas to full-blown monsters in less than a century. This was attributed to creativity of Imhotep. (also credited with inventing columns in architecture).
<br> <br>
The idea of purely phonetic alphabet seen to arise instantly in the archeological record in Ugarit 3400 years ago.  It was adapted to Phonecia, Greece, Isreal, Rome etc.  Most previous writing systems had combination of pure ideographs and phonetic syllables- ideographs borrowed because they sound like other works (like people do in charades).</htmltext>
<tokenext>By an ancient Einstein , I mean someone who develops as significant piece of technology in a single generation .
Like fossils in evolutions , this could be so fast that it was not saved in the archeologic record .
Two Examples : Egyptian pyramids went for stacked sand-walled mastabas to full-blown monsters in less than a century .
This was attributed to creativity of Imhotep .
( also credited with inventing columns in architecture ) .
The idea of purely phonetic alphabet seen to arise instantly in the archeological record in Ugarit 3400 years ago .
It was adapted to Phonecia , Greece , Isreal , Rome etc .
Most previous writing systems had combination of pure ideographs and phonetic syllables- ideographs borrowed because they sound like other works ( like people do in charades ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By an ancient Einstein, I mean someone who develops as significant piece of technology in a single generation.
Like fossils in evolutions, this could be so fast that it was not saved in the archeologic record.
Two Examples:
 Egyptian pyramids went for stacked sand-walled mastabas to full-blown monsters in less than a century.
This was attributed to creativity of Imhotep.
(also credited with inventing columns in architecture).
The idea of purely phonetic alphabet seen to arise instantly in the archeological record in Ugarit 3400 years ago.
It was adapted to Phonecia, Greece, Isreal, Rome etc.
Most previous writing systems had combination of pure ideographs and phonetic syllables- ideographs borrowed because they sound like other works (like people do in charades).</sentencetext>
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	<title>More images</title>
	<author>Concern</author>
	<datestamp>1267720140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish in articles like these they presented more of the source images, and in higher resolution. The small sample they provide is beautiful, but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering, simple decoration. Of course the claims are limited: communication via graphic art is distinct from communication via modern written languages.</p><p>It's interesting to imagine the first lonely human writers at the dawn of written language - how many wrote things only they themselves could understand, before coincidence formed the first community of proto-literate people? How much of this early writing was just the smooth flow of art - abstract or representational - into more concrete meanings relevant to the every day lives even of the illterate?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish in articles like these they presented more of the source images , and in higher resolution .
The small sample they provide is beautiful , but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering , simple decoration .
Of course the claims are limited : communication via graphic art is distinct from communication via modern written languages.It 's interesting to imagine the first lonely human writers at the dawn of written language - how many wrote things only they themselves could understand , before coincidence formed the first community of proto-literate people ?
How much of this early writing was just the smooth flow of art - abstract or representational - into more concrete meanings relevant to the every day lives even of the illterate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish in articles like these they presented more of the source images, and in higher resolution.
The small sample they provide is beautiful, but to the layman appears as a kind of meandering, simple decoration.
Of course the claims are limited: communication via graphic art is distinct from communication via modern written languages.It's interesting to imagine the first lonely human writers at the dawn of written language - how many wrote things only they themselves could understand, before coincidence formed the first community of proto-literate people?
How much of this early writing was just the smooth flow of art - abstract or representational - into more concrete meanings relevant to the every day lives even of the illterate?</sentencetext>
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	<title>God made Man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267722240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>this can't be true man was made by good only a few thousand years ago</htmltext>
<tokenext>this ca n't be true man was made by good only a few thousand years ago</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this can't be true man was made by good only a few thousand years ago</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:More images</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267730220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9062/56613036.png<br>http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9918/37977165.png<br>http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3168/65378241.png</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //img155.imageshack.us/img155/9062/56613036.pnghttp : //img51.imageshack.us/img51/9918/37977165.pnghttp : //img51.imageshack.us/img51/3168/65378241.png</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9062/56613036.pnghttp://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9918/37977165.pnghttp://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3168/65378241.png</sentencetext>
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	<title>Unfortunately, the original code was lost...</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1267721760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>when the first paleolithic software writer retired and the sandstone media deteriorated. Given the evidence, the original program probably had something to do with viewing naked women. More research into naked women is continuing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when the first paleolithic software writer retired and the sandstone media deteriorated .
Given the evidence , the original program probably had something to do with viewing naked women .
More research into naked women is continuing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when the first paleolithic software writer retired and the sandstone media deteriorated.
Given the evidence, the original program probably had something to do with viewing naked women.
More research into naked women is continuing.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Oh please...</title>
	<author>tresho</author>
	<datestamp>1267730400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>that's nonsense. Progress is real.</em>  That's for sure.  I was born naked, soaking wet &amp; ignorant, now look at me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's nonsense .
Progress is real .
That 's for sure .
I was born naked , soaking wet &amp; ignorant , now look at me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's nonsense.
Progress is real.
That's for sure.
I was born naked, soaking wet &amp; ignorant, now look at me.</sentencetext>
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