<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_03_2035227</id>
	<title>Freescale's Cheap Chip Could Mean Sub-$99 E-Readers</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267606320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"Last week, Freescale Semiconductor <a href="http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod\_summary.jsp?code=i.MX508">announced their i.MX508 chip</a> and a few days ago released a rather bland and boring <a href="http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&amp;p=irol-newsarticle&amp;ID=1396068">announcement that it's available</a>.  But there was at least one interesting line from that press release, 'The i.MX508 applications processor is expected to be priced at less than $10 (USD) in quantities greater than 250K units.'  Yes, less than ten dollars.  This sparked a wave of <a href="http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223101206">articles detailing how this new chip will allow the sub-$99 e-reader to emerge</a> and according to market research, consumers are <em>thirsty</em> for something much more affordable than the Kindle."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Last week , Freescale Semiconductor announced their i.MX508 chip and a few days ago released a rather bland and boring announcement that it 's available .
But there was at least one interesting line from that press release , 'The i.MX508 applications processor is expected to be priced at less than $ 10 ( USD ) in quantities greater than 250K units .
' Yes , less than ten dollars .
This sparked a wave of articles detailing how this new chip will allow the sub- $ 99 e-reader to emerge and according to market research , consumers are thirsty for something much more affordable than the Kindle .
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<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Last week, Freescale Semiconductor announced their i.MX508 chip and a few days ago released a rather bland and boring announcement that it's available.
But there was at least one interesting line from that press release, 'The i.MX508 applications processor is expected to be priced at less than $10 (USD) in quantities greater than 250K units.
'  Yes, less than ten dollars.
This sparked a wave of articles detailing how this new chip will allow the sub-$99 e-reader to emerge and according to market research, consumers are thirsty for something much more affordable than the Kindle.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350530</id>
	<title>Re:Going down.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>2008 $99 laptop<br>2009 $99 netbook<br>2010 $99 ereader<br>Yes, the ereader will run Linux.</p></div><p>True. I can sniff the sarcasm. Does anyone remember how $99 was the original OLPC price? That was meant to be for Africa only, IIRC, then the Eee PC brought the netbook concept to the US and for their troubles, they launched at 3 times that target. Now, some 3 years later, the netbook hardware hasn't gotten much better. Yet the price is the same instead of drifting down to the magic $99 mark. If they're going to charge me the price of a cheap desktop, at least put in dual cores in the things.</p><p>Anyway, the $99 mark is like the sub $1000 PC. It will get there eventually for laptops, but they will probably be irrelevant compared to the other offers by that time. At least those of us with a tight budget won't mind.</p></div>
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<tokenext>2008 $ 99 laptop2009 $ 99 netbook2010 $ 99 ereaderYes , the ereader will run Linux.True .
I can sniff the sarcasm .
Does anyone remember how $ 99 was the original OLPC price ?
That was meant to be for Africa only , IIRC , then the Eee PC brought the netbook concept to the US and for their troubles , they launched at 3 times that target .
Now , some 3 years later , the netbook hardware has n't gotten much better .
Yet the price is the same instead of drifting down to the magic $ 99 mark .
If they 're going to charge me the price of a cheap desktop , at least put in dual cores in the things.Anyway , the $ 99 mark is like the sub $ 1000 PC .
It will get there eventually for laptops , but they will probably be irrelevant compared to the other offers by that time .
At least those of us with a tight budget wo n't mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2008 $99 laptop2009 $99 netbook2010 $99 ereaderYes, the ereader will run Linux.True.
I can sniff the sarcasm.
Does anyone remember how $99 was the original OLPC price?
That was meant to be for Africa only, IIRC, then the Eee PC brought the netbook concept to the US and for their troubles, they launched at 3 times that target.
Now, some 3 years later, the netbook hardware hasn't gotten much better.
Yet the price is the same instead of drifting down to the magic $99 mark.
If they're going to charge me the price of a cheap desktop, at least put in dual cores in the things.Anyway, the $99 mark is like the sub $1000 PC.
It will get there eventually for laptops, but they will probably be irrelevant compared to the other offers by that time.
At least those of us with a tight budget won't mind.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351248</id>
	<title>Re:Why would I want one again?</title>
	<author>eddy the lip</author>
	<datestamp>1267614720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in the market because I plan on moving around a bit more. I moved across country last summer and had to liquidate the book collection. (Yeah, ouch.) It's not like I'm going to stop buying books, so portability is a big deal for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in the market because I plan on moving around a bit more .
I moved across country last summer and had to liquidate the book collection .
( Yeah , ouch .
) It 's not like I 'm going to stop buying books , so portability is a big deal for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in the market because I plan on moving around a bit more.
I moved across country last summer and had to liquidate the book collection.
(Yeah, ouch.
) It's not like I'm going to stop buying books, so portability is a big deal for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350492</id>
	<title>Why would I want one again?</title>
	<author>PalmKiller</author>
	<datestamp>1267611300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one don't really see the for a dedicated e-reader, I know save a tree, but the fact is, sometimes I like to sit down and go low tech with a good book.  Besides, I enjoy the smell of books in my library and I like to flip through the pages of a new book.  I might invest in an e-reader for use on the plane, or when I go on a trip if it is attainable at say $80 on some promotion and the books are cheap, but for general use on a daily basis, I just don't see a pressing need.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one do n't really see the for a dedicated e-reader , I know save a tree , but the fact is , sometimes I like to sit down and go low tech with a good book .
Besides , I enjoy the smell of books in my library and I like to flip through the pages of a new book .
I might invest in an e-reader for use on the plane , or when I go on a trip if it is attainable at say $ 80 on some promotion and the books are cheap , but for general use on a daily basis , I just do n't see a pressing need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one don't really see the for a dedicated e-reader, I know save a tree, but the fact is, sometimes I like to sit down and go low tech with a good book.
Besides, I enjoy the smell of books in my library and I like to flip through the pages of a new book.
I might invest in an e-reader for use on the plane, or when I go on a trip if it is attainable at say $80 on some promotion and the books are cheap, but for general use on a daily basis, I just don't see a pressing need.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350624</id>
	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1267611900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd even be willing to spend over $200 if it could replace my textbooks (which can cost that much to begin with).  It weighs less and the books are less costly to produce.  Add in internet access and note-taking capabilities and I'd spend much more.</p><p>Unfortunately, the textbooks that my classes used simply aren't available electronically.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd even be willing to spend over $ 200 if it could replace my textbooks ( which can cost that much to begin with ) .
It weighs less and the books are less costly to produce .
Add in internet access and note-taking capabilities and I 'd spend much more.Unfortunately , the textbooks that my classes used simply are n't available electronically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd even be willing to spend over $200 if it could replace my textbooks (which can cost that much to begin with).
It weighs less and the books are less costly to produce.
Add in internet access and note-taking capabilities and I'd spend much more.Unfortunately, the textbooks that my classes used simply aren't available electronically.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351996</id>
	<title>$9.99 is nothing special</title>
	<author>myforwik</author>
	<datestamp>1267618260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously not many electronic engineers around slashdot...

The main point of the chip is that the eink display driving is direct, this will save about $5. if you don't believe me you can get the cpu that does the same for $8 and the display chip for $6.50....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously not many electronic engineers around slashdot.. . The main point of the chip is that the eink display driving is direct , this will save about $ 5 .
if you do n't believe me you can get the cpu that does the same for $ 8 and the display chip for $ 6.50... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously not many electronic engineers around slashdot...

The main point of the chip is that the eink display driving is direct, this will save about $5.
if you don't believe me you can get the cpu that does the same for $8 and the display chip for $6.50....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31355622</id>
	<title>Re:Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.</title>
	<author>Builder</author>
	<datestamp>1267694700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really. Sony's PRS meets both of those requirements and they're not selling them by the boatload.</p><p>The problem eReaders are going to have for some time to come is publishers. They still think I'm going to be prepared to wait longer, then pay more for a book that I can do less with. I can't share it with my wife (I have the only reader in the house), I can't give it to my friends and I can't sell it on Amazon later. But they want more money for it.</p><p>Guess where most of my books come from then ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
Sony 's PRS meets both of those requirements and they 're not selling them by the boatload.The problem eReaders are going to have for some time to come is publishers .
They still think I 'm going to be prepared to wait longer , then pay more for a book that I can do less with .
I ca n't share it with my wife ( I have the only reader in the house ) , I ca n't give it to my friends and I ca n't sell it on Amazon later .
But they want more money for it.Guess where most of my books come from then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
Sony's PRS meets both of those requirements and they're not selling them by the boatload.The problem eReaders are going to have for some time to come is publishers.
They still think I'm going to be prepared to wait longer, then pay more for a book that I can do less with.
I can't share it with my wife (I have the only reader in the house), I can't give it to my friends and I can't sell it on Amazon later.
But they want more money for it.Guess where most of my books come from then ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350436</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>iSuppli reports the cost of the display modile is <a href="http://www.isuppli.com/News/Pages/Amazon-s-Kindle-2-Costs-185-49-to-Build-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx" title="isuppli.com" rel="nofollow">ESTIMATED at $60</a> [isuppli.com] <br>
I put estimated in capital letters as TFA I linked says its an estimate.
<br>Anyway, Just throwing that out there for those curious about the cost breakdown</htmltext>
<tokenext>iSuppli reports the cost of the display modile is ESTIMATED at $ 60 [ isuppli.com ] I put estimated in capital letters as TFA I linked says its an estimate .
Anyway , Just throwing that out there for those curious about the cost breakdown</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iSuppli reports the cost of the display modile is ESTIMATED at $60 [isuppli.com] 
I put estimated in capital letters as TFA I linked says its an estimate.
Anyway, Just throwing that out there for those curious about the cost breakdown</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350380</id>
	<title>ten dollars too much</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267610640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it craptastik fur sure</p><p>u want cheap u gets cheap chit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it craptastik fur sureu want cheap u gets cheap chit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it craptastik fur sureu want cheap u gets cheap chit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31352384</id>
	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>Z8</author>
	<datestamp>1267620120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not just the ink---a very complex PDF on the Kindle can take up to 30 seconds to display.  I'd like a PDF reader with a more expensive (much faster) processor, not a cheaper and slower one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just the ink---a very complex PDF on the Kindle can take up to 30 seconds to display .
I 'd like a PDF reader with a more expensive ( much faster ) processor , not a cheaper and slower one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just the ink---a very complex PDF on the Kindle can take up to 30 seconds to display.
I'd like a PDF reader with a more expensive (much faster) processor, not a cheaper and slower one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351606</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1267616400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, considering what an e-reader does, you're likely capable of doing it on chips in the range of one or two dollars when you buy the processor one at a time, let alone in bulk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , considering what an e-reader does , you 're likely capable of doing it on chips in the range of one or two dollars when you buy the processor one at a time , let alone in bulk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, considering what an e-reader does, you're likely capable of doing it on chips in the range of one or two dollars when you buy the processor one at a time, let alone in bulk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350486</id>
	<title>Really wont change the price</title>
	<author>quo\_vadis</author>
	<datestamp>1267611300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to <a href="http://www.isuppli.com/News/Pages/Amazon-s-Kindle-2-Costs-185-49-to-Build-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx" title="isuppli.com"> isuppli's teardown of the kindle</a> [isuppli.com] the E Ink display is $60. The main processor (made by Freescale) is ~$8. The EPD chip, which is what becomes redundant adds only $4.31 to the BOM. The main point is you cannot expect E Ink based readers to get any cheaper any time soon. Any price cuts will only come about due to increased competition from different technologies like Pixel Qi's, or by sacrificing things like onboard wireless (which adds ~$40 to the cost of the Kindle).</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to isuppli 's teardown of the kindle [ isuppli.com ] the E Ink display is $ 60 .
The main processor ( made by Freescale ) is ~ $ 8 .
The EPD chip , which is what becomes redundant adds only $ 4.31 to the BOM .
The main point is you can not expect E Ink based readers to get any cheaper any time soon .
Any price cuts will only come about due to increased competition from different technologies like Pixel Qi 's , or by sacrificing things like onboard wireless ( which adds ~ $ 40 to the cost of the Kindle ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to  isuppli's teardown of the kindle [isuppli.com] the E Ink display is $60.
The main processor (made by Freescale) is ~$8.
The EPD chip, which is what becomes redundant adds only $4.31 to the BOM.
The main point is you cannot expect E Ink based readers to get any cheaper any time soon.
Any price cuts will only come about due to increased competition from different technologies like Pixel Qi's, or by sacrificing things like onboard wireless (which adds ~$40 to the cost of the Kindle).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350502</id>
	<title>I was saying when i saw the Kindle...</title>
	<author>TrippTDF</author>
	<datestamp>1267611360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...it's got a lot of "wow" factor, but just wait for the price on the technology to drop before you buy one-  eventually, the e-ink tech is going to become as ubiquitous as the flash drive. Amazon did a good job of creating a great device, but eventually there are going to be so many clones out there that locking yourself into Amazon's platform (essentilly, Amazon was copying iTunes model) at such an early start might hit your pocketbook kinda hard... Just wait for cheap-ass readers, and then the publishing industry to set up their own store(s).<br> <br>

This is going to be an interesting battleground, especially in the education text-book market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it 's got a lot of " wow " factor , but just wait for the price on the technology to drop before you buy one- eventually , the e-ink tech is going to become as ubiquitous as the flash drive .
Amazon did a good job of creating a great device , but eventually there are going to be so many clones out there that locking yourself into Amazon 's platform ( essentilly , Amazon was copying iTunes model ) at such an early start might hit your pocketbook kinda hard... Just wait for cheap-ass readers , and then the publishing industry to set up their own store ( s ) .
This is going to be an interesting battleground , especially in the education text-book market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it's got a lot of "wow" factor, but just wait for the price on the technology to drop before you buy one-  eventually, the e-ink tech is going to become as ubiquitous as the flash drive.
Amazon did a good job of creating a great device, but eventually there are going to be so many clones out there that locking yourself into Amazon's platform (essentilly, Amazon was copying iTunes model) at such an early start might hit your pocketbook kinda hard... Just wait for cheap-ass readers, and then the publishing industry to set up their own store(s).
This is going to be an interesting battleground, especially in the education text-book market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351138</id>
	<title>Why not?  I have a cheap e-reader.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267614180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A couple years ago I bought a cheap mp3 player with a 2-1/2" screen for $69.  Takes SD cards up to 2 GB. It also has a picture viewer and e-reader built in.</p><p>I have about 100 Project Gutenberg books on it right now along with a shedload of music and pictures.  It can be set to auto-scroll or you can manually flip pages with the side buttons.  Not a huge screen and not set up for fancy features like magazine viewing, but for books it's great.  And I bought this almost THREE YEARS AGO!</p><p>Plus - the battery lasts for about 8 hours, it records, it recharges via USB and you can listen to music while you read.</p><p>With the advent of smart phones that do all of the above, is the e-reader really a practical device to make?  And if so, why hasn't anyone made a Palm-pilot-sized e-reader with MP3 player, voice recorder, yadda-yadda-yadda for under $100?  Or $50 for that matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A couple years ago I bought a cheap mp3 player with a 2-1/2 " screen for $ 69 .
Takes SD cards up to 2 GB .
It also has a picture viewer and e-reader built in.I have about 100 Project Gutenberg books on it right now along with a shedload of music and pictures .
It can be set to auto-scroll or you can manually flip pages with the side buttons .
Not a huge screen and not set up for fancy features like magazine viewing , but for books it 's great .
And I bought this almost THREE YEARS AGO ! Plus - the battery lasts for about 8 hours , it records , it recharges via USB and you can listen to music while you read.With the advent of smart phones that do all of the above , is the e-reader really a practical device to make ?
And if so , why has n't anyone made a Palm-pilot-sized e-reader with MP3 player , voice recorder , yadda-yadda-yadda for under $ 100 ?
Or $ 50 for that matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A couple years ago I bought a cheap mp3 player with a 2-1/2" screen for $69.
Takes SD cards up to 2 GB.
It also has a picture viewer and e-reader built in.I have about 100 Project Gutenberg books on it right now along with a shedload of music and pictures.
It can be set to auto-scroll or you can manually flip pages with the side buttons.
Not a huge screen and not set up for fancy features like magazine viewing, but for books it's great.
And I bought this almost THREE YEARS AGO!Plus - the battery lasts for about 8 hours, it records, it recharges via USB and you can listen to music while you read.With the advent of smart phones that do all of the above, is the e-reader really a practical device to make?
And if so, why hasn't anyone made a Palm-pilot-sized e-reader with MP3 player, voice recorder, yadda-yadda-yadda for under $100?
Or $50 for that matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31352360</id>
	<title>Re:Really wont change the price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267620000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I'm not sure why eReaders were brought into the discussion at all, other than idiocy on the part of the submitter (okay, blame where it's due, idiocy on the part of whoever wrote the press release).  This is more interesting for Smartbooks (and please, if you meet the person who coined that term, please slap them on my behalf).  The i.MX5 series is a Cortex A8 which clocks at around 1GHz.  This is the budget version that has no DSP and 'only' an OpenVG 1.1 GPU.  If you can live with a 2D graphics hardware and 'only' a 1GHz CPU, then this chip, at $10 and a 1W power envelope, is fast enough for you.  </p><p>
The big market for this chips, I hope, is replacing the Samsung ARM11 cores in things like the Smart Q7 / Q5.  Something that fits into a jacket pocket but has as much processing power as my desktop from 2002.  Oddly enough, I've never wanted to run 3D stuff on my handheld (well, I installed Doom, but I only played it once).  I don't even care about fancy compositing effects, because the screen is only really big enough to show one window at once.  </p><p>
OpenVG will accelerate the 2D rendering nicely and the CPU core is very nice for a handheld.  It probably won't play back 720p H.264, but I can live without that on a machine that's cheap enough that I don't care if I lose or break it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I 'm not sure why eReaders were brought into the discussion at all , other than idiocy on the part of the submitter ( okay , blame where it 's due , idiocy on the part of whoever wrote the press release ) .
This is more interesting for Smartbooks ( and please , if you meet the person who coined that term , please slap them on my behalf ) .
The i.MX5 series is a Cortex A8 which clocks at around 1GHz .
This is the budget version that has no DSP and 'only ' an OpenVG 1.1 GPU .
If you can live with a 2D graphics hardware and 'only ' a 1GHz CPU , then this chip , at $ 10 and a 1W power envelope , is fast enough for you .
The big market for this chips , I hope , is replacing the Samsung ARM11 cores in things like the Smart Q7 / Q5 .
Something that fits into a jacket pocket but has as much processing power as my desktop from 2002 .
Oddly enough , I 've never wanted to run 3D stuff on my handheld ( well , I installed Doom , but I only played it once ) .
I do n't even care about fancy compositing effects , because the screen is only really big enough to show one window at once .
OpenVG will accelerate the 2D rendering nicely and the CPU core is very nice for a handheld .
It probably wo n't play back 720p H.264 , but I can live without that on a machine that 's cheap enough that I do n't care if I lose or break it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I'm not sure why eReaders were brought into the discussion at all, other than idiocy on the part of the submitter (okay, blame where it's due, idiocy on the part of whoever wrote the press release).
This is more interesting for Smartbooks (and please, if you meet the person who coined that term, please slap them on my behalf).
The i.MX5 series is a Cortex A8 which clocks at around 1GHz.
This is the budget version that has no DSP and 'only' an OpenVG 1.1 GPU.
If you can live with a 2D graphics hardware and 'only' a 1GHz CPU, then this chip, at $10 and a 1W power envelope, is fast enough for you.
The big market for this chips, I hope, is replacing the Samsung ARM11 cores in things like the Smart Q7 / Q5.
Something that fits into a jacket pocket but has as much processing power as my desktop from 2002.
Oddly enough, I've never wanted to run 3D stuff on my handheld (well, I installed Doom, but I only played it once).
I don't even care about fancy compositing effects, because the screen is only really big enough to show one window at once.
OpenVG will accelerate the 2D rendering nicely and the CPU core is very nice for a handheld.
It probably won't play back 720p H.264, but I can live without that on a machine that's cheap enough that I don't care if I lose or break it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1267611720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, certainly, it couldn't be gratuitous pricing on the part of the vendor. I'd love to see the original manufacturing cost. I'd be surprised if it was over $65 USD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , certainly , it could n't be gratuitous pricing on the part of the vendor .
I 'd love to see the original manufacturing cost .
I 'd be surprised if it was over $ 65 USD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, certainly, it couldn't be gratuitous pricing on the part of the vendor.
I'd love to see the original manufacturing cost.
I'd be surprised if it was over $65 USD.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350850</id>
	<title>We need affordable MEDIA.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267612800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This horse is pretty dead but I'll give it a couple more kicks.  Outside of new releases, ebooks should be priced the same as paperbacks minus the costs of production and distribution associated with physical paper.  Once a new title moves from hardcover to paperback, drop the "new release" premium on the ebook version.</p><p>Honestly, does any avid reader think twice about spending a couple hundred bucks on a quality bookshelf?  Okay, I cheaped out on my most recent bookshelf because I had to fit a weird-size space but I do have a couple Kindle's worth of money invested in bookshelves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This horse is pretty dead but I 'll give it a couple more kicks .
Outside of new releases , ebooks should be priced the same as paperbacks minus the costs of production and distribution associated with physical paper .
Once a new title moves from hardcover to paperback , drop the " new release " premium on the ebook version.Honestly , does any avid reader think twice about spending a couple hundred bucks on a quality bookshelf ?
Okay , I cheaped out on my most recent bookshelf because I had to fit a weird-size space but I do have a couple Kindle 's worth of money invested in bookshelves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This horse is pretty dead but I'll give it a couple more kicks.
Outside of new releases, ebooks should be priced the same as paperbacks minus the costs of production and distribution associated with physical paper.
Once a new title moves from hardcover to paperback, drop the "new release" premium on the ebook version.Honestly, does any avid reader think twice about spending a couple hundred bucks on a quality bookshelf?
Okay, I cheaped out on my most recent bookshelf because I had to fit a weird-size space but I do have a couple Kindle's worth of money invested in bookshelves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350914</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>Applekid</author>
	<datestamp>1267613100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fewer components can also lead to a faster development time. If companies were only lazily interested in an e-reader before, the cost barrier to break into the market in R&amp;D has decreased dramatically.</p><p>Anyone scope any datasheets? All I can find is some dumb "fact sheet" on Freescale's site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fewer components can also lead to a faster development time .
If companies were only lazily interested in an e-reader before , the cost barrier to break into the market in R&amp;D has decreased dramatically.Anyone scope any datasheets ?
All I can find is some dumb " fact sheet " on Freescale 's site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fewer components can also lead to a faster development time.
If companies were only lazily interested in an e-reader before, the cost barrier to break into the market in R&amp;D has decreased dramatically.Anyone scope any datasheets?
All I can find is some dumb "fact sheet" on Freescale's site.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350406</id>
	<title>hardware really expensive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267610760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would rather assume that free *lifetime* and *world wide* wireless connectivity is what is costing Amazon money...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would rather assume that free * lifetime * and * world wide * wireless connectivity is what is costing Amazon money.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would rather assume that free *lifetime* and *world wide* wireless connectivity is what is costing Amazon money...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350646</id>
	<title>How about focusing on functionality instead of $</title>
	<author>JumpDrive</author>
	<datestamp>1267611960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The main reason I don't buy an eReader is a cost vs functionality.  Most of the books I read, can be obtained in pdf format.  So buying a computer with ability to read pdf format is more cost effective.  Now if the functionality were to be increased so that I could take a pdf document and bookmark pages, scribble notes on it and such I would be happier with an eReader.  There are some versions of eReaders which have this functionality, but in some cases I've heard you can lose this information.  Maybe they should be thinking about eBooks being a lot cheaper or how about transitional marketing.  Something where if you buy the hard copy you can obtain the electronic copy for free.  Then I could better determine whether it's right for me.  But then we are back to the entry level cost and the difference in cost between an eBook vs paper.  Some of the books I have seen are advertised as $47 for paper and $44 for the electronic copy.  So where do I come out ahead, yeah if most of my reading was fiction then it would be okay, but 90\% of my reading is technical.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main reason I do n't buy an eReader is a cost vs functionality .
Most of the books I read , can be obtained in pdf format .
So buying a computer with ability to read pdf format is more cost effective .
Now if the functionality were to be increased so that I could take a pdf document and bookmark pages , scribble notes on it and such I would be happier with an eReader .
There are some versions of eReaders which have this functionality , but in some cases I 've heard you can lose this information .
Maybe they should be thinking about eBooks being a lot cheaper or how about transitional marketing .
Something where if you buy the hard copy you can obtain the electronic copy for free .
Then I could better determine whether it 's right for me .
But then we are back to the entry level cost and the difference in cost between an eBook vs paper .
Some of the books I have seen are advertised as $ 47 for paper and $ 44 for the electronic copy .
So where do I come out ahead , yeah if most of my reading was fiction then it would be okay , but 90 \ % of my reading is technical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main reason I don't buy an eReader is a cost vs functionality.
Most of the books I read, can be obtained in pdf format.
So buying a computer with ability to read pdf format is more cost effective.
Now if the functionality were to be increased so that I could take a pdf document and bookmark pages, scribble notes on it and such I would be happier with an eReader.
There are some versions of eReaders which have this functionality, but in some cases I've heard you can lose this information.
Maybe they should be thinking about eBooks being a lot cheaper or how about transitional marketing.
Something where if you buy the hard copy you can obtain the electronic copy for free.
Then I could better determine whether it's right for me.
But then we are back to the entry level cost and the difference in cost between an eBook vs paper.
Some of the books I have seen are advertised as $47 for paper and $44 for the electronic copy.
So where do I come out ahead, yeah if most of my reading was fiction then it would be okay, but 90\% of my reading is technical.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31352234</id>
	<title>Re:E-Reader will turn into a function, not a produ</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1267619400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service.</p> </div><p>At present, the main reason for dedicated readers is that eInk screens are good for that particular purpose, but are poorly suited for general-purpose computing. Even if someone releases a true open eInk reader, e.g. surfing the web on it would be so much of a pain that I doubt you'd use it much, if ever.</p><p>Form factor also matters. Both ereader and general purpose device should be convenient to hold, but with a reader, the buttons you interact with 99\% of the time are flipping pages forward; everything else is secondary. So it makes sense to make at least page flipping buttons hardware, make them relatively large, and put them in a position where they can be accessed while holding the reader with one hand in a reading position. All other controls just take away valuable screen space, so should be relegated to edges of the screen, made smaller, and eliminated entirely when possible (which is why Kindle is horrible from usability POV, by the way).</p><p>By the way, most e-readers sold on the market today are not locked into the manufacturer's book service. They usually come with some support for that out of the box, like PRS and Nook, but you can perfectly well stick<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.txt and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdf files on them and read those (and Calibre will convert other formats). The lock-in used to be with respect to DRM, but now that the e-book sales industry is effectively standardized on ePub + a specific DRM scheme, you can actually buy books in any random store and stick them on any reader. The only company still struggling against this is Amazon.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company 's book service .
At present , the main reason for dedicated readers is that eInk screens are good for that particular purpose , but are poorly suited for general-purpose computing .
Even if someone releases a true open eInk reader , e.g .
surfing the web on it would be so much of a pain that I doubt you 'd use it much , if ever.Form factor also matters .
Both ereader and general purpose device should be convenient to hold , but with a reader , the buttons you interact with 99 \ % of the time are flipping pages forward ; everything else is secondary .
So it makes sense to make at least page flipping buttons hardware , make them relatively large , and put them in a position where they can be accessed while holding the reader with one hand in a reading position .
All other controls just take away valuable screen space , so should be relegated to edges of the screen , made smaller , and eliminated entirely when possible ( which is why Kindle is horrible from usability POV , by the way ) .By the way , most e-readers sold on the market today are not locked into the manufacturer 's book service .
They usually come with some support for that out of the box , like PRS and Nook , but you can perfectly well stick .txt and .pdf files on them and read those ( and Calibre will convert other formats ) .
The lock-in used to be with respect to DRM , but now that the e-book sales industry is effectively standardized on ePub + a specific DRM scheme , you can actually buy books in any random store and stick them on any reader .
The only company still struggling against this is Amazon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service.
At present, the main reason for dedicated readers is that eInk screens are good for that particular purpose, but are poorly suited for general-purpose computing.
Even if someone releases a true open eInk reader, e.g.
surfing the web on it would be so much of a pain that I doubt you'd use it much, if ever.Form factor also matters.
Both ereader and general purpose device should be convenient to hold, but with a reader, the buttons you interact with 99\% of the time are flipping pages forward; everything else is secondary.
So it makes sense to make at least page flipping buttons hardware, make them relatively large, and put them in a position where they can be accessed while holding the reader with one hand in a reading position.
All other controls just take away valuable screen space, so should be relegated to edges of the screen, made smaller, and eliminated entirely when possible (which is why Kindle is horrible from usability POV, by the way).By the way, most e-readers sold on the market today are not locked into the manufacturer's book service.
They usually come with some support for that out of the box, like PRS and Nook, but you can perfectly well stick .txt and .pdf files on them and read those (and Calibre will convert other formats).
The lock-in used to be with respect to DRM, but now that the e-book sales industry is effectively standardized on ePub + a specific DRM scheme, you can actually buy books in any random store and stick them on any reader.
The only company still struggling against this is Amazon.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351080</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267613940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The price of e-ink increases nonlinearly with the area.  A phone screen will cost much less than half the price of a screen twice its size.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The price of e-ink increases nonlinearly with the area .
A phone screen will cost much less than half the price of a screen twice its size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The price of e-ink increases nonlinearly with the area.
A phone screen will cost much less than half the price of a screen twice its size.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1267718460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That list makes me really wish I had the ability to purchase custom electronics. But then today's laptops are not nearly customizable enough. I've no idea why it'd be so expensive to offer say<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... a range of cameras that fit in the same form factor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That list makes me really wish I had the ability to purchase custom electronics .
But then today 's laptops are not nearly customizable enough .
I 've no idea why it 'd be so expensive to offer say ... a range of cameras that fit in the same form factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That list makes me really wish I had the ability to purchase custom electronics.
But then today's laptops are not nearly customizable enough.
I've no idea why it'd be so expensive to offer say ... a range of cameras that fit in the same form factor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350680</id>
	<title>Getting closer</title>
	<author>COMON$</author>
	<datestamp>1267612140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right now the Que has the right idea but it is a bit pricey.  If we could see an e-reader around $200 that is network capable and has the ability to send print jobs to it. You can sign me up for at least $50 units.  THe possibilities of e-ink in the business environment are impressive.  As an Admin I could control loose papers with a password,  reduce the usage of consumables and really speed up the availibility of information. No more...where did I put that spreadsheet or flyer...Our management here is pretty sold on the Que for the legal department but definitely are concerned with the price of pushing it out to more users.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now the Que has the right idea but it is a bit pricey .
If we could see an e-reader around $ 200 that is network capable and has the ability to send print jobs to it .
You can sign me up for at least $ 50 units .
THe possibilities of e-ink in the business environment are impressive .
As an Admin I could control loose papers with a password , reduce the usage of consumables and really speed up the availibility of information .
No more...where did I put that spreadsheet or flyer...Our management here is pretty sold on the Que for the legal department but definitely are concerned with the price of pushing it out to more users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now the Que has the right idea but it is a bit pricey.
If we could see an e-reader around $200 that is network capable and has the ability to send print jobs to it.
You can sign me up for at least $50 units.
THe possibilities of e-ink in the business environment are impressive.
As an Admin I could control loose papers with a password,  reduce the usage of consumables and really speed up the availibility of information.
No more...where did I put that spreadsheet or flyer...Our management here is pretty sold on the Que for the legal department but definitely are concerned with the price of pushing it out to more users.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>ircmaxell</author>
	<datestamp>1267613880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would gladly pay $300+ for an e-reader.  However, it needs either a color display, or a secondary highres display (overlapped, see Pixel Qu <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/video-pixel-qis-e-ink-lcd-hybrid-screen-demoed-at-computex/" title="engadget.com">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/video-pixel-qis-e-ink-lcd-hybrid-screen-demoed-at-computex/</a> [engadget.com])...  I could even live without those features, but without them I'm going to wait to see if there's another revolution in book stores (Google Books, or something similar) that doesn't lock me into just one...  I read enough that I can all but justify the cost (I spend around $500 to $1000 per year on books, so it'd be just about break even given the discount on ebooks).  When I find the right one, I'll get it.  But from what I've seen now, I'm holding off...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would gladly pay $ 300 + for an e-reader .
However , it needs either a color display , or a secondary highres display ( overlapped , see Pixel Qu http : //www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/video-pixel-qis-e-ink-lcd-hybrid-screen-demoed-at-computex/ [ engadget.com ] ) ... I could even live without those features , but without them I 'm going to wait to see if there 's another revolution in book stores ( Google Books , or something similar ) that does n't lock me into just one... I read enough that I can all but justify the cost ( I spend around $ 500 to $ 1000 per year on books , so it 'd be just about break even given the discount on ebooks ) .
When I find the right one , I 'll get it .
But from what I 've seen now , I 'm holding off.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would gladly pay $300+ for an e-reader.
However, it needs either a color display, or a secondary highres display (overlapped, see Pixel Qu http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/video-pixel-qis-e-ink-lcd-hybrid-screen-demoed-at-computex/ [engadget.com])...  I could even live without those features, but without them I'm going to wait to see if there's another revolution in book stores (Google Books, or something similar) that doesn't lock me into just one...  I read enough that I can all but justify the cost (I spend around $500 to $1000 per year on books, so it'd be just about break even given the discount on ebooks).
When I find the right one, I'll get it.
But from what I've seen now, I'm holding off...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31353526</id>
	<title>Re:Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.</title>
	<author>CityZen</author>
	<datestamp>1267628940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think success will be determined by the quality of the hardware or the software running on it.</p><p>As shown repeatedly by Apple, success is determined by focusing on the whole picture:<br>-the hardware<br>-the software running on the device<br>-the software running on the computer the device is attached to<br>-the entire supply chain of the digital properties (the books, in this case)<br>-the consumer--addressing all aspects of his experience, from opening the box, to buying books, to daily use, to:<br>-customer service</p><p>In short, give the customer the experience he wants, and he'll pay a lot of money for it.<br>If the whole thing does exactly what most people want, then most people will have no need to hack it.<br>If any aspect is lacking, then there's an opportunity for someone else to slip in, but they'll have to do better in every way, not just one way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think success will be determined by the quality of the hardware or the software running on it.As shown repeatedly by Apple , success is determined by focusing on the whole picture : -the hardware-the software running on the device-the software running on the computer the device is attached to-the entire supply chain of the digital properties ( the books , in this case ) -the consumer--addressing all aspects of his experience , from opening the box , to buying books , to daily use , to : -customer serviceIn short , give the customer the experience he wants , and he 'll pay a lot of money for it.If the whole thing does exactly what most people want , then most people will have no need to hack it.If any aspect is lacking , then there 's an opportunity for someone else to slip in , but they 'll have to do better in every way , not just one way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think success will be determined by the quality of the hardware or the software running on it.As shown repeatedly by Apple, success is determined by focusing on the whole picture:-the hardware-the software running on the device-the software running on the computer the device is attached to-the entire supply chain of the digital properties (the books, in this case)-the consumer--addressing all aspects of his experience, from opening the box, to buying books, to daily use, to:-customer serviceIn short, give the customer the experience he wants, and he'll pay a lot of money for it.If the whole thing does exactly what most people want, then most people will have no need to hack it.If any aspect is lacking, then there's an opportunity for someone else to slip in, but they'll have to do better in every way, not just one way.</sentencetext>
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	<title>refresh</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1267611420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that a lower price point is desirable but I'm still planning to wait until the page refresh process on these things is more acceptable.  There is an annoying delay for every page turn, and most of the ereaders I've played with (at least 20 different models at CES this year) have a really annoying black screen in between page turns while the e-ink particles rearrange themselves.  The delay and rearranging isn't so bad if you are just reading one book at a time always from start to finish, but it becomes really frustrating if you are skipping around or browsing through various documents and you want to navigate from one document to another like you might do while web browsing or working with legal briefs, etc.  I would love to see e-ink technology improve to the point that one can use these things for browsing large quantities of documents -- this would be an incredible tool for researchers and educators.  I'd be willing to pay current $250+ prices for one of these that was usable for such tasks, but at the moment we're still a couple years away from that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that a lower price point is desirable but I 'm still planning to wait until the page refresh process on these things is more acceptable .
There is an annoying delay for every page turn , and most of the ereaders I 've played with ( at least 20 different models at CES this year ) have a really annoying black screen in between page turns while the e-ink particles rearrange themselves .
The delay and rearranging is n't so bad if you are just reading one book at a time always from start to finish , but it becomes really frustrating if you are skipping around or browsing through various documents and you want to navigate from one document to another like you might do while web browsing or working with legal briefs , etc .
I would love to see e-ink technology improve to the point that one can use these things for browsing large quantities of documents -- this would be an incredible tool for researchers and educators .
I 'd be willing to pay current $ 250 + prices for one of these that was usable for such tasks , but at the moment we 're still a couple years away from that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that a lower price point is desirable but I'm still planning to wait until the page refresh process on these things is more acceptable.
There is an annoying delay for every page turn, and most of the ereaders I've played with (at least 20 different models at CES this year) have a really annoying black screen in between page turns while the e-ink particles rearrange themselves.
The delay and rearranging isn't so bad if you are just reading one book at a time always from start to finish, but it becomes really frustrating if you are skipping around or browsing through various documents and you want to navigate from one document to another like you might do while web browsing or working with legal briefs, etc.
I would love to see e-ink technology improve to the point that one can use these things for browsing large quantities of documents -- this would be an incredible tool for researchers and educators.
I'd be willing to pay current $250+ prices for one of these that was usable for such tasks, but at the moment we're still a couple years away from that.</sentencetext>
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	<title>But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267610100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I seriously doubt it's the processor that's causing the Kindle to be so high priced. It's most likely the costs of using the e-ink screens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I seriously doubt it 's the processor that 's causing the Kindle to be so high priced .
It 's most likely the costs of using the e-ink screens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seriously doubt it's the processor that's causing the Kindle to be so high priced.
It's most likely the costs of using the e-ink screens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351362</id>
	<title>I was excited</title>
	<author>RedTeflon</author>
	<datestamp>1267615260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a moment I was excited, I thought the article was about eepc for $99 soon not an e-reader.  I personally couldn't care less about e-readers, while a nice idea I personally dont read enough print material to justify needing anything like that.<br>
<br>
Wake me when they make a <b> usable </b> netbook under a 100</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a moment I was excited , I thought the article was about eepc for $ 99 soon not an e-reader .
I personally could n't care less about e-readers , while a nice idea I personally dont read enough print material to justify needing anything like that .
Wake me when they make a usable netbook under a 100</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a moment I was excited, I thought the article was about eepc for $99 soon not an e-reader.
I personally couldn't care less about e-readers, while a nice idea I personally dont read enough print material to justify needing anything like that.
Wake me when they make a  usable  netbook under a 100</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350596</id>
	<title>Re:Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.</title>
	<author>thePsychologist</author>
	<datestamp>1267611780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't as cheap as I'd like: <a href="http://www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook\_360.html" title="pocketbookreader.com">http://www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook\_360.html</a> [pocketbookreader.com], but at $240 it does run Linux and supports DJVU along with many other formats. You can even download a terminal emulator for it. I've been looking around for e-readers and I'm thinking of getting this one. I would like to test it first but unfortunately it's not sold in stores around here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't as cheap as I 'd like : http : //www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook \ _360.html [ pocketbookreader.com ] , but at $ 240 it does run Linux and supports DJVU along with many other formats .
You can even download a terminal emulator for it .
I 've been looking around for e-readers and I 'm thinking of getting this one .
I would like to test it first but unfortunately it 's not sold in stores around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't as cheap as I'd like: http://www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook\_360.html [pocketbookreader.com], but at $240 it does run Linux and supports DJVU along with many other formats.
You can even download a terminal emulator for it.
I've been looking around for e-readers and I'm thinking of getting this one.
I would like to test it first but unfortunately it's not sold in stores around here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31357594</id>
	<title>Re:E-Reader will turn into a function, not a produ</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1267715880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service. </i></p><p>Yeah!  It's like the iPod!  The only justification for that thing is so that you can be locked into iTunes.  But everyone knows you can just plug headphones into a laptop, and then you can play back whatever you want!  Idiot sheeple...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company 's book service .
Yeah ! It 's like the iPod !
The only justification for that thing is so that you can be locked into iTunes .
But everyone knows you can just plug headphones into a laptop , and then you can play back whatever you want !
Idiot sheeple.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service.
Yeah!  It's like the iPod!
The only justification for that thing is so that you can be locked into iTunes.
But everyone knows you can just plug headphones into a laptop, and then you can play back whatever you want!
Idiot sheeple...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31360060</id>
	<title>eBook industry has FAR deeper problems than this</title>
	<author>RapmasterT</author>
	<datestamp>1267727820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is like putting a band-aid on a decapitation.  The cost of the reader is TRIVIAL compared to the cost of the books read over the device lifetime.  $200 or even $300 is NOT unreasonable to pay for a high end device.
<br> <br>
The serious problems include:<br>
1.  no ebook standard format.  competing formats are a market killer, 100\% of the time<br>
2.  ebook price is too F'ing high.  charging $10 - $15 for an ebook that I could buy a paperback of for $6 isn't a formula you need to study too deep to find FAIL in.  eBooks should cost a fraction of treebooks and they'd still turn HIGHER profits.<br>
3.  ebook collections are PITIFUL today.  Find me any ebook store that has all the books of a series greater than 3 books, and I will eat those books.  <br>
<br> <br>
The ebook industry can't seem to figure out why the public isn't embracing this format in much the same way a stalker can't figure out why his victims don't invite him to dinner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is like putting a band-aid on a decapitation .
The cost of the reader is TRIVIAL compared to the cost of the books read over the device lifetime .
$ 200 or even $ 300 is NOT unreasonable to pay for a high end device .
The serious problems include : 1. no ebook standard format .
competing formats are a market killer , 100 \ % of the time 2. ebook price is too F'ing high .
charging $ 10 - $ 15 for an ebook that I could buy a paperback of for $ 6 is n't a formula you need to study too deep to find FAIL in .
eBooks should cost a fraction of treebooks and they 'd still turn HIGHER profits .
3. ebook collections are PITIFUL today .
Find me any ebook store that has all the books of a series greater than 3 books , and I will eat those books .
The ebook industry ca n't seem to figure out why the public is n't embracing this format in much the same way a stalker ca n't figure out why his victims do n't invite him to dinner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is like putting a band-aid on a decapitation.
The cost of the reader is TRIVIAL compared to the cost of the books read over the device lifetime.
$200 or even $300 is NOT unreasonable to pay for a high end device.
The serious problems include:
1.  no ebook standard format.
competing formats are a market killer, 100\% of the time
2.  ebook price is too F'ing high.
charging $10 - $15 for an ebook that I could buy a paperback of for $6 isn't a formula you need to study too deep to find FAIL in.
eBooks should cost a fraction of treebooks and they'd still turn HIGHER profits.
3.  ebook collections are PITIFUL today.
Find me any ebook store that has all the books of a series greater than 3 books, and I will eat those books.
The ebook industry can't seem to figure out why the public isn't embracing this format in much the same way a stalker can't figure out why his victims don't invite him to dinner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350654</id>
	<title>My 'cheap' eReader...</title>
	<author>capnkr</author>
	<datestamp>1267611960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is my netbook (AO751h) + the <a href="http://www.spacejock.com/yBook\_Download.html" title="spacejock.com">yBook</a> [spacejock.com] application <i>(Win32 Freeware, also runs under WINE)</i>. No, it doesn't have eInk, but with a $55, 9-cell aftermarket battery, I do get ~10-12 hours without having to touch a wall wart. Plus there's a full size keyboard, and I can do just about anything else computer-wise with it that doesn't require huge video capabilities <i>(due to Intel GMA500, which could be better, but is sufficient so far, @ ~6 months ownership)</i>. Netbook + battery = $350. More than a dedicated eReader, much cheaper than an iPad, capable of doing more than either/both, it's the best geek tool/toy that I have run across in a long time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is my netbook ( AO751h ) + the yBook [ spacejock.com ] application ( Win32 Freeware , also runs under WINE ) .
No , it does n't have eInk , but with a $ 55 , 9-cell aftermarket battery , I do get ~ 10-12 hours without having to touch a wall wart .
Plus there 's a full size keyboard , and I can do just about anything else computer-wise with it that does n't require huge video capabilities ( due to Intel GMA500 , which could be better , but is sufficient so far , @ ~ 6 months ownership ) .
Netbook + battery = $ 350 .
More than a dedicated eReader , much cheaper than an iPad , capable of doing more than either/both , it 's the best geek tool/toy that I have run across in a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is my netbook (AO751h) + the yBook [spacejock.com] application (Win32 Freeware, also runs under WINE).
No, it doesn't have eInk, but with a $55, 9-cell aftermarket battery, I do get ~10-12 hours without having to touch a wall wart.
Plus there's a full size keyboard, and I can do just about anything else computer-wise with it that doesn't require huge video capabilities (due to Intel GMA500, which could be better, but is sufficient so far, @ ~6 months ownership).
Netbook + battery = $350.
More than a dedicated eReader, much cheaper than an iPad, capable of doing more than either/both, it's the best geek tool/toy that I have run across in a long time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31352098</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1267618740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not sure that's the case at all. If e-ink is not cheaper than LCDs, it will be soon.</p></div><p>1) It's not cheaper than LCDs. We're talking of something around $60 for large-scale orders, and well over $100 for individual items at the moment.</p><p>2) It's not going to get cheaper for as long as eInk technology and manufacturing process are patented by E Ink Corporation. The only company currently licensed to manufacture screens is PVI, and they have few factories actually producing that stuff.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure that 's the case at all .
If e-ink is not cheaper than LCDs , it will be soon.1 ) It 's not cheaper than LCDs .
We 're talking of something around $ 60 for large-scale orders , and well over $ 100 for individual items at the moment.2 ) It 's not going to get cheaper for as long as eInk technology and manufacturing process are patented by E Ink Corporation .
The only company currently licensed to manufacture screens is PVI , and they have few factories actually producing that stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure that's the case at all.
If e-ink is not cheaper than LCDs, it will be soon.1) It's not cheaper than LCDs.
We're talking of something around $60 for large-scale orders, and well over $100 for individual items at the moment.2) It's not going to get cheaper for as long as eInk technology and manufacturing process are patented by E Ink Corporation.
The only company currently licensed to manufacture screens is PVI, and they have few factories actually producing that stuff.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350572</id>
	<title>it doesn't matter.  the iPad is coming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod. me as a troll if you wish, but in two years, the only "e-reader" that will matter will be the Apple iPad.<br>Just like every digital music player is referred to as an "iPod" because Apple has 80\%-90\% of the market.<br>Sure, there will be lots of small "niche" e-readers available for specialized uses such as high contrast X-Rays, but for the most part, it's already game over.  You might as well just go and buy an iPad on March 26th.  Resistance is futile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod .
me as a troll if you wish , but in two years , the only " e-reader " that will matter will be the Apple iPad.Just like every digital music player is referred to as an " iPod " because Apple has 80 \ % -90 \ % of the market.Sure , there will be lots of small " niche " e-readers available for specialized uses such as high contrast X-Rays , but for the most part , it 's already game over .
You might as well just go and buy an iPad on March 26th .
Resistance is futile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod.
me as a troll if you wish, but in two years, the only "e-reader" that will matter will be the Apple iPad.Just like every digital music player is referred to as an "iPod" because Apple has 80\%-90\% of the market.Sure, there will be lots of small "niche" e-readers available for specialized uses such as high contrast X-Rays, but for the most part, it's already game over.
You might as well just go and buy an iPad on March 26th.
Resistance is futile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350960</id>
	<title>One or two specious claims in the original article</title>
	<author>Garwulf</author>
	<datestamp>1267613340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I just looked at the EETimes article, and I found a couple of specious claims.</p><p>Basically, they've got this chart, and they're using it to say that if the e-book reader gets below $99, the market penetration will rise to 65\%.</p><p>Now, call me stupid if you want, but I took a close look at that chart, and that's not what it said.  The actual figures for the $99 e-reader were:</p><p>Approx. 38\% "Intend to buy in next six months"<br>Approx. 42\% "Want to know more"<br>Approx. 54\% "Frequent book readers with a household income of more than $75,000"<br>Approx. 65\% "All U.S. online adults."</p><p>I don't even know what the hell that last section means, particularly seeing as its bar is smaller than some of the others in the other categories...even as a sentence fragment it doesn't make sense.</p><p>Either way, I get the feeling that the 65\% market penetration might be a bit of marketing-speak, and skepticism may be called for...particularly since the source happens to be the Freescale marketing department.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I just looked at the EETimes article , and I found a couple of specious claims.Basically , they 've got this chart , and they 're using it to say that if the e-book reader gets below $ 99 , the market penetration will rise to 65 \ % .Now , call me stupid if you want , but I took a close look at that chart , and that 's not what it said .
The actual figures for the $ 99 e-reader were : Approx .
38 \ % " Intend to buy in next six months " Approx .
42 \ % " Want to know more " Approx .
54 \ % " Frequent book readers with a household income of more than $ 75,000 " Approx .
65 \ % " All U.S. online adults .
" I do n't even know what the hell that last section means , particularly seeing as its bar is smaller than some of the others in the other categories...even as a sentence fragment it does n't make sense.Either way , I get the feeling that the 65 \ % market penetration might be a bit of marketing-speak , and skepticism may be called for...particularly since the source happens to be the Freescale marketing department .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I just looked at the EETimes article, and I found a couple of specious claims.Basically, they've got this chart, and they're using it to say that if the e-book reader gets below $99, the market penetration will rise to 65\%.Now, call me stupid if you want, but I took a close look at that chart, and that's not what it said.
The actual figures for the $99 e-reader were:Approx.
38\% "Intend to buy in next six months"Approx.
42\% "Want to know more"Approx.
54\% "Frequent book readers with a household income of more than $75,000"Approx.
65\% "All U.S. online adults.
"I don't even know what the hell that last section means, particularly seeing as its bar is smaller than some of the others in the other categories...even as a sentence fragment it doesn't make sense.Either way, I get the feeling that the 65\% market penetration might be a bit of marketing-speak, and skepticism may be called for...particularly since the source happens to be the Freescale marketing department.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31353300</id>
	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>techno-vampire</author>
	<datestamp>1267627200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>but hopefully with things like this new chip combined with new processes of putting together e-ink screens will bring the price down.</i> <p>
Even if that doesn't bring the price down much, sales will go up.  If they go up enough, economies of scale may well bring the cost per unit down enough to make them more affordable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but hopefully with things like this new chip combined with new processes of putting together e-ink screens will bring the price down .
Even if that does n't bring the price down much , sales will go up .
If they go up enough , economies of scale may well bring the cost per unit down enough to make them more affordable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but hopefully with things like this new chip combined with new processes of putting together e-ink screens will bring the price down.
Even if that doesn't bring the price down much, sales will go up.
If they go up enough, economies of scale may well bring the cost per unit down enough to make them more affordable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351600</id>
	<title>Re:Going down.</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1267616400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the bright side, you can get a half decent <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Palm-1048NA-Z22-Handheld/dp/B000BI2180/ref=dp\_cp\_ob\_e\_title\_2" title="amazon.com">Palm Z22</a> [amazon.com] for under $100 now.  Load up Plucker and a bunch of books and websites sync'd via Sunrise-Desktop and you're set for a few weeks.  Also with TCPMP you can play back music and movies.   And it comes with a much better PIM than Android and maybe even iPhone.</p><p>Yes, I'm still holding out with my Palm T|X.  Bluetooth tethering to a $10/mo. unlimited wap data plan, where I can access ssh, vnc, and much of the web with Opera Mini.  Haven't found anything much better to upgrade to yet.  Just wish Google Maps Mobile would update their PalmOS Garnet client<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the bright side , you can get a half decent Palm Z22 [ amazon.com ] for under $ 100 now .
Load up Plucker and a bunch of books and websites sync 'd via Sunrise-Desktop and you 're set for a few weeks .
Also with TCPMP you can play back music and movies .
And it comes with a much better PIM than Android and maybe even iPhone.Yes , I 'm still holding out with my Palm T | X .
Bluetooth tethering to a $ 10/mo .
unlimited wap data plan , where I can access ssh , vnc , and much of the web with Opera Mini .
Have n't found anything much better to upgrade to yet .
Just wish Google Maps Mobile would update their PalmOS Garnet client : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the bright side, you can get a half decent Palm Z22 [amazon.com] for under $100 now.
Load up Plucker and a bunch of books and websites sync'd via Sunrise-Desktop and you're set for a few weeks.
Also with TCPMP you can play back music and movies.
And it comes with a much better PIM than Android and maybe even iPhone.Yes, I'm still holding out with my Palm T|X.
Bluetooth tethering to a $10/mo.
unlimited wap data plan, where I can access ssh, vnc, and much of the web with Opera Mini.
Haven't found anything much better to upgrade to yet.
Just wish Google Maps Mobile would update their PalmOS Garnet client :P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350756</id>
	<title>Re:Why would I want one again?</title>
	<author>Chad Birch</author>
	<datestamp>1267612380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like being able to hold (and turn the pages of) what would otherwise be an 800-page hardcover book in one hand while standing on the train, then slip it in my jacket pocket when I reach my stop.<br>
<br>
If you do all your reading at home where you don't need to carry your books around, there's not really much reason to have one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like being able to hold ( and turn the pages of ) what would otherwise be an 800-page hardcover book in one hand while standing on the train , then slip it in my jacket pocket when I reach my stop .
If you do all your reading at home where you do n't need to carry your books around , there 's not really much reason to have one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like being able to hold (and turn the pages of) what would otherwise be an 800-page hardcover book in one hand while standing on the train, then slip it in my jacket pocket when I reach my stop.
If you do all your reading at home where you don't need to carry your books around, there's not really much reason to have one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350446</id>
	<title>Re:Going down.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with your list is that none of those has happened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your list is that none of those has happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your list is that none of those has happened.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350422</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1267610940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The cellular hardware probably doesn't help either(for that matter, it isn't exactly clear, at least not from publicly available figures, how much of the cost of the bandwidth is baked into the cost of ebooks and how much is baked into the cost of the device). You can already get cheaper(albeit generally content-storeless) e-ink devices without that hardware.<br> <br>

That said, BoM savings are a good thing no matter where they occur. If they felt the need to trumpet the price in the press release, the new chip is presumably cheaper, or embeds what were previously distinct peripheral chips, or both.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cellular hardware probably does n't help either ( for that matter , it is n't exactly clear , at least not from publicly available figures , how much of the cost of the bandwidth is baked into the cost of ebooks and how much is baked into the cost of the device ) .
You can already get cheaper ( albeit generally content-storeless ) e-ink devices without that hardware .
That said , BoM savings are a good thing no matter where they occur .
If they felt the need to trumpet the price in the press release , the new chip is presumably cheaper , or embeds what were previously distinct peripheral chips , or both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cellular hardware probably doesn't help either(for that matter, it isn't exactly clear, at least not from publicly available figures, how much of the cost of the bandwidth is baked into the cost of ebooks and how much is baked into the cost of the device).
You can already get cheaper(albeit generally content-storeless) e-ink devices without that hardware.
That said, BoM savings are a good thing no matter where they occur.
If they felt the need to trumpet the price in the press release, the new chip is presumably cheaper, or embeds what were previously distinct peripheral chips, or both.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31353870</id>
	<title>Re:Absolut-ely</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1267631340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're thirsty?  Along with lots of other people?  And only a sub-$99 e-reader will help?  You need water and vitamins, or at least a salt tablet or two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're thirsty ?
Along with lots of other people ?
And only a sub- $ 99 e-reader will help ?
You need water and vitamins , or at least a salt tablet or two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're thirsty?
Along with lots of other people?
And only a sub-$99 e-reader will help?
You need water and vitamins, or at least a salt tablet or two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351338</id>
	<title>This is a great chip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267615140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure <a href="http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod\_summary.jsp?code=i.MX508" title="freescale.com" rel="nofollow">the chip</a> [freescale.com] is designed for e-books, but it has some great features for general-purpose, low-power computing:<br>Flash support<br>1400x1050 display support<br>5xUART<br>256k L2 cache</p><p>This is awesome value at $10.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure the chip [ freescale.com ] is designed for e-books , but it has some great features for general-purpose , low-power computing : Flash support1400x1050 display support5xUART256k L2 cacheThis is awesome value at $ 10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure the chip [freescale.com] is designed for e-books, but it has some great features for general-purpose, low-power computing:Flash support1400x1050 display support5xUART256k L2 cacheThis is awesome value at $10.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350288</id>
	<title>Absolutely</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1267610160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>consumers are thirsty for something much more affordable than the Kindle.</p></div><p>I know I sure as hell am.  The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader.  I would love to not go over $100 for a good-quality eReader, but $150 would be my firm limit.  I realize that e-ink screens are the primary thing driving the prices up for now, but hopefully with things like this new chip combined with new processes of putting together e-ink screens will bring the price down.</p><p>Despite how much I complain about it around here, I would be willing to pay the same if not slightly higher for ebooks as I would for dead tree books if only the eReader itself wasn't so damn expensive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>consumers are thirsty for something much more affordable than the Kindle.I know I sure as hell am .
The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader .
I would love to not go over $ 100 for a good-quality eReader , but $ 150 would be my firm limit .
I realize that e-ink screens are the primary thing driving the prices up for now , but hopefully with things like this new chip combined with new processes of putting together e-ink screens will bring the price down.Despite how much I complain about it around here , I would be willing to pay the same if not slightly higher for ebooks as I would for dead tree books if only the eReader itself was n't so damn expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>consumers are thirsty for something much more affordable than the Kindle.I know I sure as hell am.
The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader.
I would love to not go over $100 for a good-quality eReader, but $150 would be my firm limit.
I realize that e-ink screens are the primary thing driving the prices up for now, but hopefully with things like this new chip combined with new processes of putting together e-ink screens will bring the price down.Despite how much I complain about it around here, I would be willing to pay the same if not slightly higher for ebooks as I would for dead tree books if only the eReader itself wasn't so damn expensive.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31356308</id>
	<title>Re:Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.</title>
	<author>FithisUX</author>
	<datestamp>1267703460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would like a cheap smartbook (an updated HIVISION) with this one inside and 512MB RAM. 3D is not a must for me and winCE is also undesired.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like a cheap smartbook ( an updated HIVISION ) with this one inside and 512MB RAM .
3D is not a must for me and winCE is also undesired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like a cheap smartbook (an updated HIVISION) with this one inside and 512MB RAM.
3D is not a must for me and winCE is also undesired.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350494</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351760</id>
	<title>Re:E-Reader will turn into a function, not a produ</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1267617060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service.</i></p><p>That, and the much better display, and the much longer battery life, yes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company 's book service.That , and the much better display , and the much longer battery life , yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service.That, and the much better display, and the much longer battery life, yes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350798</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351314</id>
	<title>"will allow the sub-$99 e-reader to emerge"</title>
	<author>maharius</author>
	<datestamp>1267615020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did anyone else read that as allowing the E-reader to E-merge? I think I have a case of E-fatigue, also I-fatigue come to think of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anyone else read that as allowing the E-reader to E-merge ?
I think I have a case of E-fatigue , also I-fatigue come to think of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anyone else read that as allowing the E-reader to E-merge?
I think I have a case of E-fatigue, also I-fatigue come to think of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31366520</id>
	<title>Re:Why would I want one again?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1267718820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do most of my reading at home but I think it'd be a $ saver for me if they were 100$. Since I feel perfectly comfortable dling books that are over 15yrs old. It might make less sense if I didn't have access to books in the last century.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do most of my reading at home but I think it 'd be a $ saver for me if they were 100 $ .
Since I feel perfectly comfortable dling books that are over 15yrs old .
It might make less sense if I did n't have access to books in the last century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do most of my reading at home but I think it'd be a $ saver for me if they were 100$.
Since I feel perfectly comfortable dling books that are over 15yrs old.
It might make less sense if I didn't have access to books in the last century.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351328</id>
	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>proxy318</author>
	<datestamp>1267615080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think ebooks are worth as much as paper books for reasons that have already been beaten to death here - DRM prevents you from lending the book to a friend, if the DRM server disappears, so do your books, the bookseller can disable/delete your books whenever they feel like it, lots of publishers are delaying or choosing not to release ebooks to try and drive up sales of paper books, if you upgrade your device, it might not be compatible with your collection, and the marginal cost of producing copies of ebooks is practically zero. The most I'd be willing to pay for an ebook is $5, and it would have to be a current best seller. Older and less popular books would have to be cheaper, unless they offered some additional advantages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think ebooks are worth as much as paper books for reasons that have already been beaten to death here - DRM prevents you from lending the book to a friend , if the DRM server disappears , so do your books , the bookseller can disable/delete your books whenever they feel like it , lots of publishers are delaying or choosing not to release ebooks to try and drive up sales of paper books , if you upgrade your device , it might not be compatible with your collection , and the marginal cost of producing copies of ebooks is practically zero .
The most I 'd be willing to pay for an ebook is $ 5 , and it would have to be a current best seller .
Older and less popular books would have to be cheaper , unless they offered some additional advantages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think ebooks are worth as much as paper books for reasons that have already been beaten to death here - DRM prevents you from lending the book to a friend, if the DRM server disappears, so do your books, the bookseller can disable/delete your books whenever they feel like it, lots of publishers are delaying or choosing not to release ebooks to try and drive up sales of paper books, if you upgrade your device, it might not be compatible with your collection, and the marginal cost of producing copies of ebooks is practically zero.
The most I'd be willing to pay for an ebook is $5, and it would have to be a current best seller.
Older and less popular books would have to be cheaper, unless they offered some additional advantages.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351040</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>XxtraLarGe</author>
	<datestamp>1267613760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's a link to the phone in case anyone's interested: <a href="http://tr.im/Qx0Z" title="tr.im">Motorola Motofone F3 Unlocked Phone with Dual-Band GSM 850/1900--International Version with No Warranty (Black)</a> [tr.im]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a link to the phone in case anyone 's interested : Motorola Motofone F3 Unlocked Phone with Dual-Band GSM 850/1900--International Version with No Warranty ( Black ) [ tr.im ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a link to the phone in case anyone's interested: Motorola Motofone F3 Unlocked Phone with Dual-Band GSM 850/1900--International Version with No Warranty (Black) [tr.im]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350468</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31353392</id>
	<title>Re:Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267628040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ectaco JetBook Lite.  Got it for  $100 after e-book rebate (fictionwise.com, but no longer offered on promo).  5" LCD screen is very readable.  USB transfer, internal flash and an SDHC slot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ectaco JetBook Lite .
Got it for $ 100 after e-book rebate ( fictionwise.com , but no longer offered on promo ) .
5 " LCD screen is very readable .
USB transfer , internal flash and an SDHC slot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ectaco JetBook Lite.
Got it for  $100 after e-book rebate (fictionwise.com, but no longer offered on promo).
5" LCD screen is very readable.
USB transfer, internal flash and an SDHC slot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350494</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351612</id>
	<title>Re:it doesn't matter. the iPad is coming</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1267616460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah yes, I wondered how long it would be before someone brings up the Ipad. Let's see - it's an article about getting an e-reader for under $99. What boxes does the Ipad tick for us?</p><p>* Will be cheaper than existing e-readers? [n]<br>* Will be an e-reader? [n]</p><p>Hmm, not doing too well there are we.</p><p><i>Just like every digital music player is referred to as an "iPod" because Apple has 80\%-90\% of the market.</i></p><p>That's the only market they lead. Will the Ipad be another Ipod? Or will it be another Apple TV/Air/Mac/Iphone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah yes , I wondered how long it would be before someone brings up the Ipad .
Let 's see - it 's an article about getting an e-reader for under $ 99 .
What boxes does the Ipad tick for us ?
* Will be cheaper than existing e-readers ?
[ n ] * Will be an e-reader ?
[ n ] Hmm , not doing too well there are we.Just like every digital music player is referred to as an " iPod " because Apple has 80 \ % -90 \ % of the market.That 's the only market they lead .
Will the Ipad be another Ipod ?
Or will it be another Apple TV/Air/Mac/Iphone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah yes, I wondered how long it would be before someone brings up the Ipad.
Let's see - it's an article about getting an e-reader for under $99.
What boxes does the Ipad tick for us?
* Will be cheaper than existing e-readers?
[n]* Will be an e-reader?
[n]Hmm, not doing too well there are we.Just like every digital music player is referred to as an "iPod" because Apple has 80\%-90\% of the market.That's the only market they lead.
Will the Ipad be another Ipod?
Or will it be another Apple TV/Air/Mac/Iphone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350572</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350468</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1267611180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure that's the case at all.  If e-ink is not cheaper than LCDs, it will be soon.  You just can't lay your hands on e-ink displays because they are only available to OEMs.</p><p>Motorola had a phone with an e-paper display three or four years ago.  It's a low end GSM phone targeted at developing countries.  You can buy the sucker now off Amazon, unlocked, for the princely sum of $24.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure that 's the case at all .
If e-ink is not cheaper than LCDs , it will be soon .
You just ca n't lay your hands on e-ink displays because they are only available to OEMs.Motorola had a phone with an e-paper display three or four years ago .
It 's a low end GSM phone targeted at developing countries .
You can buy the sucker now off Amazon , unlocked , for the princely sum of $ 24 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure that's the case at all.
If e-ink is not cheaper than LCDs, it will be soon.
You just can't lay your hands on e-ink displays because they are only available to OEMs.Motorola had a phone with an e-paper display three or four years ago.
It's a low end GSM phone targeted at developing countries.
You can buy the sucker now off Amazon, unlocked, for the princely sum of $24.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350276</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31352342</id>
	<title>Cheap reader</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1267619940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cheap readers means that internet book reading is coming to the internet, this is
going change the book industry completely. <a href="http://internetfutureuk.blogspot.com/2010/02/2010s-decade-book-changed.html" title="blogspot.com">I've blogged</a> [blogspot.com] about some the changes that might happen.
<p>
---
</p><p>
No Advert Today</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cheap readers means that internet book reading is coming to the internet , this is going change the book industry completely .
I 've blogged [ blogspot.com ] about some the changes that might happen .
--- No Advert Today</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cheap readers means that internet book reading is coming to the internet, this is
going change the book industry completely.
I've blogged [blogspot.com] about some the changes that might happen.
---

No Advert Today</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350832</id>
	<title>TL;DR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267612740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Paragraphs are hard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paragraphs are hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paragraphs are hard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350514</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31352136</id>
	<title>Re:Why would I want one again?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1267618980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you do all your reading at home where you don't need to carry your books around, there's not really much reason to have one.</p></div><p>It's still lighter than most books. It also lets me make the font bigger, so I can read without wearing eyeglasses. Bookmarks are less of a hassle as well, and table of contents is actually navigable.</p><p>I mostly read at home, but I still find my PRS-505 to be more convenient than paper books.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do all your reading at home where you do n't need to carry your books around , there 's not really much reason to have one.It 's still lighter than most books .
It also lets me make the font bigger , so I can read without wearing eyeglasses .
Bookmarks are less of a hassle as well , and table of contents is actually navigable.I mostly read at home , but I still find my PRS-505 to be more convenient than paper books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you do all your reading at home where you don't need to carry your books around, there's not really much reason to have one.It's still lighter than most books.
It also lets me make the font bigger, so I can read without wearing eyeglasses.
Bookmarks are less of a hassle as well, and table of contents is actually navigable.I mostly read at home, but I still find my PRS-505 to be more convenient than paper books.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31354734</id>
	<title>Re:Why would I want one again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267640400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am looking forward to having a reasonable open enough $100-150 ebook reader combined with some hardcore piracy..  Sort like I do now with an mp3 player and torrents... That might not 'click' with what some here find acceptable, but sure sounds nice.. Not long now and the BIAA or PIAA wonder what they are called.. humm..</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am looking forward to having a reasonable open enough $ 100-150 ebook reader combined with some hardcore piracy.. Sort like I do now with an mp3 player and torrents... That might not 'click ' with what some here find acceptable , but sure sounds nice.. Not long now and the BIAA or PIAA wonder what they are called.. humm. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am looking forward to having a reasonable open enough $100-150 ebook reader combined with some hardcore piracy..  Sort like I do now with an mp3 player and torrents... That might not 'click' with what some here find acceptable, but sure sounds nice.. Not long now and the BIAA or PIAA wonder what they are called.. humm..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350492</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350650</id>
	<title>Ummm... profit margins?</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1267611960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazon's desired profit margin wouldn't have a thing to do with the high cost, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon 's desired profit margin would n't have a thing to do with the high cost , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon's desired profit margin wouldn't have a thing to do with the high cost, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350504</id>
	<title>e-Ink displays</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about someone just creates an e-ink display and no processor that can be hooked up to net/note book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about someone just creates an e-ink display and no processor that can be hooked up to net/note book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about someone just creates an e-ink display and no processor that can be hooked up to net/note book.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350762</id>
	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>samuraiz</author>
	<datestamp>1267612440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have more than $260 worth of shelving for my dead tree books, and I buy cheap shelves. There are infrastructure costs associated with any kind of book ownership.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have more than $ 260 worth of shelving for my dead tree books , and I buy cheap shelves .
There are infrastructure costs associated with any kind of book ownership .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have more than $260 worth of shelving for my dead tree books, and I buy cheap shelves.
There are infrastructure costs associated with any kind of book ownership.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350824</id>
	<title>LCD and eInk</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1267612740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is interesting to see that the CPU supports both LCD and eInk at the same time. I've just bought a BeBook and the eInk is just perfect for reading. The eInk display is however absolutely worthless as an interface device. After buying a my Hero (android) phone, the BeBook is left at home most of the time. For my workplace I would be very interested in using an eInk display for PDF. But navigating and searching is such a PITA on the current readers that I can not recommend it to anyone. On my reader I get irritated by the navigating experience even when going from one book to another.</p><p>Idea: maybe they should mate androids and iPhones with eInk displays, e.g. using bluetooth. You could make a really cheap one while using the wireless LAN / mobile internet / multi-touch screen etc of the phone for all the stuff that the current eBooks are missing. For now I'll just use my droid, even though I will get a headache from all that eye-strain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is interesting to see that the CPU supports both LCD and eInk at the same time .
I 've just bought a BeBook and the eInk is just perfect for reading .
The eInk display is however absolutely worthless as an interface device .
After buying a my Hero ( android ) phone , the BeBook is left at home most of the time .
For my workplace I would be very interested in using an eInk display for PDF .
But navigating and searching is such a PITA on the current readers that I can not recommend it to anyone .
On my reader I get irritated by the navigating experience even when going from one book to another.Idea : maybe they should mate androids and iPhones with eInk displays , e.g .
using bluetooth .
You could make a really cheap one while using the wireless LAN / mobile internet / multi-touch screen etc of the phone for all the stuff that the current eBooks are missing .
For now I 'll just use my droid , even though I will get a headache from all that eye-strain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is interesting to see that the CPU supports both LCD and eInk at the same time.
I've just bought a BeBook and the eInk is just perfect for reading.
The eInk display is however absolutely worthless as an interface device.
After buying a my Hero (android) phone, the BeBook is left at home most of the time.
For my workplace I would be very interested in using an eInk display for PDF.
But navigating and searching is such a PITA on the current readers that I can not recommend it to anyone.
On my reader I get irritated by the navigating experience even when going from one book to another.Idea: maybe they should mate androids and iPhones with eInk displays, e.g.
using bluetooth.
You could make a really cheap one while using the wireless LAN / mobile internet / multi-touch screen etc of the phone for all the stuff that the current eBooks are missing.
For now I'll just use my droid, even though I will get a headache from all that eye-strain.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350368</id>
	<title>Going down.</title>
	<author>aBaldrich</author>
	<datestamp>1267610640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>2008 $99 laptop<br>
2009 $99 netbook<br>
2010 $99 ereader<br>
<br>
Yes, the ereader will run Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>2008 $ 99 laptop 2009 $ 99 netbook 2010 $ 99 ereader Yes , the ereader will run Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2008 $99 laptop
2009 $99 netbook
2010 $99 ereader

Yes, the ereader will run Linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31353342</id>
	<title>You know what would REALLY help  make them cheap?</title>
	<author>mykos</author>
	<datestamp>1267627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This would help competition not only in the ebook reader world, but in the inexpensive processor world as well, but having more than one manufacturer making 90\% of the screens would be nice, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This would help competition not only in the ebook reader world , but in the inexpensive processor world as well , but having more than one manufacturer making 90 \ % of the screens would be nice , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would help competition not only in the ebook reader world, but in the inexpensive processor world as well, but having more than one manufacturer making 90\% of the screens would be nice, too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350494</id>
	<title>Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.</title>
	<author>RiffRafff</author>
	<datestamp>1267611300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.   Meet those two criteria and they'll sell by the boat-load.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cheaper than the Kindle , and OPEN .
Meet those two criteria and they 'll sell by the boat-load .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN.
Meet those two criteria and they'll sell by the boat-load.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350526</id>
	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know I sure as hell am.  The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader.</p> </div><p>Having played around with a B&amp;N Nook and one of the Sony ones,
 the slow speed of the page changing drove me nuts.  I realize that it is a feature/side effect of e-ink, but I can't ever see myself getting used to the whole flashing/slow page turning thing.  No matter what the price.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I sure as hell am .
The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader .
Having played around with a B&amp;N Nook and one of the Sony ones , the slow speed of the page changing drove me nuts .
I realize that it is a feature/side effect of e-ink , but I ca n't ever see myself getting used to the whole flashing/slow page turning thing .
No matter what the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I sure as hell am.
The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader.
Having played around with a B&amp;N Nook and one of the Sony ones,
 the slow speed of the page changing drove me nuts.
I realize that it is a feature/side effect of e-ink, but I can't ever see myself getting used to the whole flashing/slow page turning thing.
No matter what the price.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350288</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350820</id>
	<title>Re:Absolutely</title>
	<author>armyofone</author>
	<datestamp>1267612740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"... would be willing to pay the same if not slightly higher for ebooks as I would for dead tree books..."</p><p>Why? Not trying to troll. Just curious about this statement. Knowing that the cost to produce is significantly lower, (yeah, yeah, I get the 'supply/demand economics' argument), why are you willing to contribute so much more to the supplier's bottom line? Is it all in the convenience factor or is there something else I'm missing?</p><p>Help me understand as I have the opposite mind-set; if a thing costs less to produce, it should cost me less to buy it. Otherwise, there is non-free market profiteering going on somewheres, isn't there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... would be willing to pay the same if not slightly higher for ebooks as I would for dead tree books... " Why ?
Not trying to troll .
Just curious about this statement .
Knowing that the cost to produce is significantly lower , ( yeah , yeah , I get the 'supply/demand economics ' argument ) , why are you willing to contribute so much more to the supplier 's bottom line ?
Is it all in the convenience factor or is there something else I 'm missing ? Help me understand as I have the opposite mind-set ; if a thing costs less to produce , it should cost me less to buy it .
Otherwise , there is non-free market profiteering going on somewheres , is n't there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"... would be willing to pay the same if not slightly higher for ebooks as I would for dead tree books..."Why?
Not trying to troll.
Just curious about this statement.
Knowing that the cost to produce is significantly lower, (yeah, yeah, I get the 'supply/demand economics' argument), why are you willing to contribute so much more to the supplier's bottom line?
Is it all in the convenience factor or is there something else I'm missing?Help me understand as I have the opposite mind-set; if a thing costs less to produce, it should cost me less to buy it.
Otherwise, there is non-free market profiteering going on somewheres, isn't there?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350288</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31351310</id>
	<title>Still waiting for the ...</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1267615020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... $100 <b>e-meter</b>.  Thankfully there is a kind group nearby who will hook me up to theirs for a nominal fee until that comes around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... $ 100 e-meter .
Thankfully there is a kind group nearby who will hook me up to theirs for a nominal fee until that comes around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... $100 e-meter.
Thankfully there is a kind group nearby who will hook me up to theirs for a nominal fee until that comes around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350798</id>
	<title>E-Reader will turn into a function, not a product</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267612560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service. If the device is "open", it'll contain many more functions (free or very minimal cost) and look more like a laptop or iPad. </p><p>
Right now you can download text versions of thousands of books - and Notepad is all you need to read them. If I'm going to have a special device just for reading books it's going to have to be a lot more functional and a lot less expensive than anything they're even speculating about now.</p><p>
Those corporate types that think that $400 is a good price for an e-reader and books should cost $25 each are setting the stage for their extinction. That kind of pricing will create a "pirate" market for digital books; this and the low sales rate (due to the pricing) will kill their market in short order./P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company 's book service .
If the device is " open " , it 'll contain many more functions ( free or very minimal cost ) and look more like a laptop or iPad .
Right now you can download text versions of thousands of books - and Notepad is all you need to read them .
If I 'm going to have a special device just for reading books it 's going to have to be a lot more functional and a lot less expensive than anything they 're even speculating about now .
Those corporate types that think that $ 400 is a good price for an e-reader and books should cost $ 25 each are setting the stage for their extinction .
That kind of pricing will create a " pirate " market for digital books ; this and the low sales rate ( due to the pricing ) will kill their market in short order./P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service.
If the device is "open", it'll contain many more functions (free or very minimal cost) and look more like a laptop or iPad.
Right now you can download text versions of thousands of books - and Notepad is all you need to read them.
If I'm going to have a special device just for reading books it's going to have to be a lot more functional and a lot less expensive than anything they're even speculating about now.
Those corporate types that think that $400 is a good price for an e-reader and books should cost $25 each are setting the stage for their extinction.
That kind of pricing will create a "pirate" market for digital books; this and the low sales rate (due to the pricing) will kill their market in short order./P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350628</id>
	<title>Re:But what about the cost of e-ink?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So that already puts us at 70 bucks for *just* the display and chip (assuming these number are correct). Throw in the cost of the other parts and that means the LOWEST price we'd see something made with these parts on the market is around $100, but count on $130-150 for a reasonable profit for both the manufacturer and the retailer. That's not a whole lot lower than the current price of a 5" reader on special somewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So that already puts us at 70 bucks for * just * the display and chip ( assuming these number are correct ) .
Throw in the cost of the other parts and that means the LOWEST price we 'd see something made with these parts on the market is around $ 100 , but count on $ 130-150 for a reasonable profit for both the manufacturer and the retailer .
That 's not a whole lot lower than the current price of a 5 " reader on special somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So that already puts us at 70 bucks for *just* the display and chip (assuming these number are correct).
Throw in the cost of the other parts and that means the LOWEST price we'd see something made with these parts on the market is around $100, but count on $130-150 for a reasonable profit for both the manufacturer and the retailer.
That's not a whole lot lower than the current price of a 5" reader on special somewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_2035227.31350436</parent>
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