<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_03_1947235</id>
	<title>Ubuntu Desktop In the Cloud</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267645260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jimjimovich writes <i>"One new feature in Ubuntu 10.04 that caught my attention is the <a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-desktop-cloud">Desktop in the Cloud</a> project. Ubuntu already has great EC2 support, and it's getting even better. Now you can <a href="http://www.starryhope.com/linux/2010/ubuntu-desktop-in-the-cloud/">launch Ubuntu Desktop instances on EC2 and connect to them with an NX client</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jimjimovich writes " One new feature in Ubuntu 10.04 that caught my attention is the Desktop in the Cloud project .
Ubuntu already has great EC2 support , and it 's getting even better .
Now you can launch Ubuntu Desktop instances on EC2 and connect to them with an NX client .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jimjimovich writes "One new feature in Ubuntu 10.04 that caught my attention is the Desktop in the Cloud project.
Ubuntu already has great EC2 support, and it's getting even better.
Now you can launch Ubuntu Desktop instances on EC2 and connect to them with an NX client.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350558</id>
	<title>Re:i never saw the point of cloud desktops</title>
	<author>ppanon</author>
	<datestamp>1267611600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nope. What it is is the natural end-point after 10 years of outsourcing. When you get rid of the growth path for technical resources, eventually you get a profound lack of availability of senior technical resources. At that point you have no choice but to push everything IT-related out to external vendors because you can't hire internal resources to do it (or even just to manage the process) and must rely on external vendors who can maximize use of those types of resources across multiple clients. However you also no longer have the skills available to know if the vendor is taking you to the cleaners, or cutting corners on management/security to raise profits and significantly putting your data at risk. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Madoff-level disaster with a "cloud" provider sometime in the next 10 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
What it is is the natural end-point after 10 years of outsourcing .
When you get rid of the growth path for technical resources , eventually you get a profound lack of availability of senior technical resources .
At that point you have no choice but to push everything IT-related out to external vendors because you ca n't hire internal resources to do it ( or even just to manage the process ) and must rely on external vendors who can maximize use of those types of resources across multiple clients .
However you also no longer have the skills available to know if the vendor is taking you to the cleaners , or cutting corners on management/security to raise profits and significantly putting your data at risk .
I would n't be surprised if there 's a Madoff-level disaster with a " cloud " provider sometime in the next 10 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
What it is is the natural end-point after 10 years of outsourcing.
When you get rid of the growth path for technical resources, eventually you get a profound lack of availability of senior technical resources.
At that point you have no choice but to push everything IT-related out to external vendors because you can't hire internal resources to do it (or even just to manage the process) and must rely on external vendors who can maximize use of those types of resources across multiple clients.
However you also no longer have the skills available to know if the vendor is taking you to the cleaners, or cutting corners on management/security to raise profits and significantly putting your data at risk.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Madoff-level disaster with a "cloud" provider sometime in the next 10 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350734</id>
	<title>Re:i never saw the point of cloud desktops</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1267612320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But there is more to it than that. PCs are a Pain. Really one or two are not bad but when you get to 100 or more then trying to keep them all working and configured is just not fun.<br>First you don't have to use EC2 Ubuntu offers a cloud solution that you can install on your own machines. <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private" title="ubuntu.com">http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private</a> [ubuntu.com].<br>One use for using a cloud based system would be security. Suppose you want to allow your people access to the internet but you don't want to worry about all the latest exploits.<br>Block the internet on their machines but give them the option to run a browser on your cloudserver.<br>They get to use the internet but on a Linux box isolated from their production machine.<br>Or if you can migrate to Linux completely "Not an easy task" you could have people running simple nettops with flash drives and use a cloud server to run the actual desktops.  You can do much the same with Citrix.<br>In the end it comes down to ease of management. If you have a bunch of folks that only need too run 3 or four programs all day long there is no reason to support hundreds of full PCs and all the crap that means.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But there is more to it than that .
PCs are a Pain .
Really one or two are not bad but when you get to 100 or more then trying to keep them all working and configured is just not fun.First you do n't have to use EC2 Ubuntu offers a cloud solution that you can install on your own machines .
http : //www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private [ ubuntu.com ] .One use for using a cloud based system would be security .
Suppose you want to allow your people access to the internet but you do n't want to worry about all the latest exploits.Block the internet on their machines but give them the option to run a browser on your cloudserver.They get to use the internet but on a Linux box isolated from their production machine.Or if you can migrate to Linux completely " Not an easy task " you could have people running simple nettops with flash drives and use a cloud server to run the actual desktops .
You can do much the same with Citrix.In the end it comes down to ease of management .
If you have a bunch of folks that only need too run 3 or four programs all day long there is no reason to support hundreds of full PCs and all the crap that means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But there is more to it than that.
PCs are a Pain.
Really one or two are not bad but when you get to 100 or more then trying to keep them all working and configured is just not fun.First you don't have to use EC2 Ubuntu offers a cloud solution that you can install on your own machines.
http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private [ubuntu.com].One use for using a cloud based system would be security.
Suppose you want to allow your people access to the internet but you don't want to worry about all the latest exploits.Block the internet on their machines but give them the option to run a browser on your cloudserver.They get to use the internet but on a Linux box isolated from their production machine.Or if you can migrate to Linux completely "Not an easy task" you could have people running simple nettops with flash drives and use a cloud server to run the actual desktops.
You can do much the same with Citrix.In the end it comes down to ease of management.
If you have a bunch of folks that only need too run 3 or four programs all day long there is no reason to support hundreds of full PCs and all the crap that means.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31351280</id>
	<title>Re:NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>felipecn</author>
	<datestamp>1267614840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have never had a problem installing NX on Debian or Ubuntu. And actually, it have a much better performance than VNC or X11 forwarding over SSH. [No, I've never used xrdp. May check later, though]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never had a problem installing NX on Debian or Ubuntu .
And actually , it have a much better performance than VNC or X11 forwarding over SSH .
[ No , I 've never used xrdp .
May check later , though ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never had a problem installing NX on Debian or Ubuntu.
And actually, it have a much better performance than VNC or X11 forwarding over SSH.
[No, I've never used xrdp.
May check later, though]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31351202</id>
	<title>Re:I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>Sulphur</author>
	<datestamp>1267614480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was the Ether Bunny, you insensitive clod.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was the Ether Bunny , you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was the Ether Bunny, you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350470</id>
	<title>Re:I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>TeknoHog</author>
	<datestamp>1267611240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a clod, you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a clod , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a clod, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31365450</id>
	<title>Re:I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1267710300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Cloud computing is simply the name given to the virtualization and SaaS trends. It is a real phenomenon, so why not let it have a one-syllable name? I mean, we could call it "Utility-IT" or "virtual outsourced hosting services" or any of several terms which are slightly more descriptive, but such names certainly aren't any better.</p><p>In my opinion, "cloud computing" is a pretty decent name for scalable, on-demand, utility-billed IT services. At least it's not another acronym!</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, the big problem is that "Cloud Computing" isn't used consistently. The <i>useful</i> use, IMO, relates to using virtualization to decouple logical machine from physical machines and enable dynamic provisioning. SaaS and utility-billed services are applications which predate that, though they are popular applications.</p><p>Using "Cloud Computing" to refer unspecifically to some vague amalgamation of some or all of elastic provisioning, SaaS, remote hosting, usage-based billing, etc., etc. renders the term meaningless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cloud computing is simply the name given to the virtualization and SaaS trends .
It is a real phenomenon , so why not let it have a one-syllable name ?
I mean , we could call it " Utility-IT " or " virtual outsourced hosting services " or any of several terms which are slightly more descriptive , but such names certainly are n't any better.In my opinion , " cloud computing " is a pretty decent name for scalable , on-demand , utility-billed IT services .
At least it 's not another acronym ! Well , the big problem is that " Cloud Computing " is n't used consistently .
The useful use , IMO , relates to using virtualization to decouple logical machine from physical machines and enable dynamic provisioning .
SaaS and utility-billed services are applications which predate that , though they are popular applications.Using " Cloud Computing " to refer unspecifically to some vague amalgamation of some or all of elastic provisioning , SaaS , remote hosting , usage-based billing , etc. , etc .
renders the term meaningless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cloud computing is simply the name given to the virtualization and SaaS trends.
It is a real phenomenon, so why not let it have a one-syllable name?
I mean, we could call it "Utility-IT" or "virtual outsourced hosting services" or any of several terms which are slightly more descriptive, but such names certainly aren't any better.In my opinion, "cloud computing" is a pretty decent name for scalable, on-demand, utility-billed IT services.
At least it's not another acronym!Well, the big problem is that "Cloud Computing" isn't used consistently.
The useful use, IMO, relates to using virtualization to decouple logical machine from physical machines and enable dynamic provisioning.
SaaS and utility-billed services are applications which predate that, though they are popular applications.Using "Cloud Computing" to refer unspecifically to some vague amalgamation of some or all of elastic provisioning, SaaS, remote hosting, usage-based billing, etc., etc.
renders the term meaningless.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350074</id>
	<title>Useful model for ISPs</title>
	<author>YouCanCallMeAl</author>
	<datestamp>1267609140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could see something similar to this working well when a subscriber's ISP hosts the actual OS instances. There are a lot of benefits to having professional administrators in charge of systems, something extremely rare for home users. Given adequate throughput and low latency to the data center, less computer savvy people could connect to these managed instances, which are provided by their ISP. They wouldn't have to know about or care about updates, virus scanning, or even backups for their data. ISPs would (potentially) have much lower rates of help desk calls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could see something similar to this working well when a subscriber 's ISP hosts the actual OS instances .
There are a lot of benefits to having professional administrators in charge of systems , something extremely rare for home users .
Given adequate throughput and low latency to the data center , less computer savvy people could connect to these managed instances , which are provided by their ISP .
They would n't have to know about or care about updates , virus scanning , or even backups for their data .
ISPs would ( potentially ) have much lower rates of help desk calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could see something similar to this working well when a subscriber's ISP hosts the actual OS instances.
There are a lot of benefits to having professional administrators in charge of systems, something extremely rare for home users.
Given adequate throughput and low latency to the data center, less computer savvy people could connect to these managed instances, which are provided by their ISP.
They wouldn't have to know about or care about updates, virus scanning, or even backups for their data.
ISPs would (potentially) have much lower rates of help desk calls.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350668</id>
	<title>Build your own for pennies per VM these days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267612020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These days you can source hardware and software building blocks for a very large scale hosted virtual desktop infrastructure (I cant bring myself to say cloud) for pennies per VM. Software like XenServer from Citrix is supported and free, and hyper-dense hardware appliances like the <a href="http://www.virtualmachineco.com/" title="virtualmachineco.com" rel="nofollow">VMCO boxes</a> [virtualmachineco.com] allow 50 or 100 VMs per physical.</p><p>Now can somebody tell me where I can get cheap, plentiful power and network bandwidth?</p><p>AG</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These days you can source hardware and software building blocks for a very large scale hosted virtual desktop infrastructure ( I cant bring myself to say cloud ) for pennies per VM .
Software like XenServer from Citrix is supported and free , and hyper-dense hardware appliances like the VMCO boxes [ virtualmachineco.com ] allow 50 or 100 VMs per physical.Now can somebody tell me where I can get cheap , plentiful power and network bandwidth ? AG</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These days you can source hardware and software building blocks for a very large scale hosted virtual desktop infrastructure (I cant bring myself to say cloud) for pennies per VM.
Software like XenServer from Citrix is supported and free, and hyper-dense hardware appliances like the VMCO boxes [virtualmachineco.com] allow 50 or 100 VMs per physical.Now can somebody tell me where I can get cheap, plentiful power and network bandwidth?AG</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350610</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1267611840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>EC2 charges based on CPU time and bandwidth usage, so this sounds like it'd end up eating up a monthly fee of ~$netbook per month. Why would anybody want to spend their money on this?</p></div></blockquote><p>Ubuntu Server has, since I think 9.04, but definitely in 9.10, included open source, EC2-compatible cloud hosting software. So, presumably, you could also use this on your own cloud using Ubuntu Server, rather than on Amazon's cloud.</p><p>The uses motivating this are enumerated in TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p> <b>A few of the reasons why desktop in the cloud is interesting:<br>
&nbsp; - Remote access from anywhere and any OS to an Ubuntu environment<br>
&nbsp; - We can easily (check LTSP !!) put up to 100 users on the same server/VM<br>
&nbsp; - Can be used for desktop/usability/feature testing<br>
&nbsp; - Integration with Ubuntu ONE would make sure your data is always there.</b></p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>EC2 charges based on CPU time and bandwidth usage , so this sounds like it 'd end up eating up a monthly fee of ~ $ netbook per month .
Why would anybody want to spend their money on this ? Ubuntu Server has , since I think 9.04 , but definitely in 9.10 , included open source , EC2-compatible cloud hosting software .
So , presumably , you could also use this on your own cloud using Ubuntu Server , rather than on Amazon 's cloud.The uses motivating this are enumerated in TFA : A few of the reasons why desktop in the cloud is interesting :   - Remote access from anywhere and any OS to an Ubuntu environment   - We can easily ( check LTSP ! !
) put up to 100 users on the same server/VM   - Can be used for desktop/usability/feature testing   - Integration with Ubuntu ONE would make sure your data is always there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EC2 charges based on CPU time and bandwidth usage, so this sounds like it'd end up eating up a monthly fee of ~$netbook per month.
Why would anybody want to spend their money on this?Ubuntu Server has, since I think 9.04, but definitely in 9.10, included open source, EC2-compatible cloud hosting software.
So, presumably, you could also use this on your own cloud using Ubuntu Server, rather than on Amazon's cloud.The uses motivating this are enumerated in TFA: A few of the reasons why desktop in the cloud is interesting:
  - Remote access from anywhere and any OS to an Ubuntu environment
  - We can easily (check LTSP !!
) put up to 100 users on the same server/VM
  - Can be used for desktop/usability/feature testing
  - Integration with Ubuntu ONE would make sure your data is always there. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349490</id>
	<title>EC2 Get offa my cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267649820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It must be this one, because somewhere nearby Mick Jagger is singing "Get Off My Cloud":
<br>
London EC2, London postal district covering the area of central London around Bishopsgate, Moorgate, and Liverpool Street</htmltext>
<tokenext>It must be this one , because somewhere nearby Mick Jagger is singing " Get Off My Cloud " : London EC2 , London postal district covering the area of central London around Bishopsgate , Moorgate , and Liverpool Street</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It must be this one, because somewhere nearby Mick Jagger is singing "Get Off My Cloud":

London EC2, London postal district covering the area of central London around Bishopsgate, Moorgate, and Liverpool Street</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350528</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1267611480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The more interesting use case is probably to be found when you combine the existence of this project with the existence of <a href="http://www.eucalyptus.com/" title="eucalyptus.com">Eucalyptus</a> [eucalyptus.com] which somebody mentioned above. The fact that it works with EC2 is interesting; but paying Amazon is likely not cost effective(since demand for desktop seats tends not to fluctuate nearly as fast as some server loads do and is, in any case, constrained by the number of NX capable thin clients available) a service where you pay extra for the elasticity isn't obviously sensible.<br> <br>

WIth Eucalyptus, though, you can fairly easily run your own setup, keeping the bandwidth in house and thus cheap and abundant, easily spawning a desktop instance that is available to a given user across multiple machines, thin or fat, in your organization. Because of Linux's unixy legacy, which tends to make multi-user systems a good bit easier and more natural, this isn't as compelling as it is with Windows setups; but there are still purposes for which it could be nice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The more interesting use case is probably to be found when you combine the existence of this project with the existence of Eucalyptus [ eucalyptus.com ] which somebody mentioned above .
The fact that it works with EC2 is interesting ; but paying Amazon is likely not cost effective ( since demand for desktop seats tends not to fluctuate nearly as fast as some server loads do and is , in any case , constrained by the number of NX capable thin clients available ) a service where you pay extra for the elasticity is n't obviously sensible .
WIth Eucalyptus , though , you can fairly easily run your own setup , keeping the bandwidth in house and thus cheap and abundant , easily spawning a desktop instance that is available to a given user across multiple machines , thin or fat , in your organization .
Because of Linux 's unixy legacy , which tends to make multi-user systems a good bit easier and more natural , this is n't as compelling as it is with Windows setups ; but there are still purposes for which it could be nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more interesting use case is probably to be found when you combine the existence of this project with the existence of Eucalyptus [eucalyptus.com] which somebody mentioned above.
The fact that it works with EC2 is interesting; but paying Amazon is likely not cost effective(since demand for desktop seats tends not to fluctuate nearly as fast as some server loads do and is, in any case, constrained by the number of NX capable thin clients available) a service where you pay extra for the elasticity isn't obviously sensible.
WIth Eucalyptus, though, you can fairly easily run your own setup, keeping the bandwidth in house and thus cheap and abundant, easily spawning a desktop instance that is available to a given user across multiple machines, thin or fat, in your organization.
Because of Linux's unixy legacy, which tends to make multi-user systems a good bit easier and more natural, this isn't as compelling as it is with Windows setups; but there are still purposes for which it could be nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31356374</id>
	<title>Re:NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267704480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, fuck RDP and NX, give me SPICE:</p><p>http://www.spice-space.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , fuck RDP and NX , give me SPICE : http : //www.spice-space.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, fuck RDP and NX, give me SPICE:http://www.spice-space.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350778</id>
	<title>Re:NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>characterZer0</author>
	<datestamp>1267612500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have found it easy to set up FreeNX. But then I discovered that you cannot use private key authentication.</p><p>Fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have found it easy to set up FreeNX .
But then I discovered that you can not use private key authentication.Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have found it easy to set up FreeNX.
But then I discovered that you cannot use private key authentication.Fail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349956</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267608540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure what the use case for this would be anyway.  Sure you can access your desktop from everywhere, but where are you going to go that has terminals set up for NX?  If you're hauling around a netbook anyway, why not just run a local desktop?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure what the use case for this would be anyway .
Sure you can access your desktop from everywhere , but where are you going to go that has terminals set up for NX ?
If you 're hauling around a netbook anyway , why not just run a local desktop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure what the use case for this would be anyway.
Sure you can access your desktop from everywhere, but where are you going to go that has terminals set up for NX?
If you're hauling around a netbook anyway, why not just run a local desktop?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350072</id>
	<title>Re:I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>lkcl</author>
	<datestamp>1267609140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dude, my clod-hoppers totally stomped your windows network routers, duuude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dude , my clod-hoppers totally stomped your windows network routers , duuude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dude, my clod-hoppers totally stomped your windows network routers, duuude.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349874</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350136</id>
	<title>Re:I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267609320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the early 2000s, a guy I knew used a bunny in his flowcharts to represent the internet. It meant about as much as a cloud, but was much cooler about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the early 2000s , a guy I knew used a bunny in his flowcharts to represent the internet .
It meant about as much as a cloud , but was much cooler about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the early 2000s, a guy I knew used a bunny in his flowcharts to represent the internet.
It meant about as much as a cloud, but was much cooler about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349874</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349544</id>
	<title>Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1267606800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>EC2 charges based on CPU time and bandwidth usage, so this sounds like it'd end up eating up a monthly fee of ~$netbook per month.  Why would anybody want to spend their money on this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>EC2 charges based on CPU time and bandwidth usage , so this sounds like it 'd end up eating up a monthly fee of ~ $ netbook per month .
Why would anybody want to spend their money on this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EC2 charges based on CPU time and bandwidth usage, so this sounds like it'd end up eating up a monthly fee of ~$netbook per month.
Why would anybody want to spend their money on this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31351432</id>
	<title>Re:I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>turing\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1267615620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In the early 2000s, a guy I knew used a bunny in his flowcharts to represent the internet. It meant about as much as a cloud, but was much cooler about it.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I'm guessing that had something to do with the limitations of the clipart folder?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the early 2000s , a guy I knew used a bunny in his flowcharts to represent the internet .
It meant about as much as a cloud , but was much cooler about it .
I 'm guessing that had something to do with the limitations of the clipart folder ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the early 2000s, a guy I knew used a bunny in his flowcharts to represent the internet.
It meant about as much as a cloud, but was much cooler about it.
I'm guessing that had something to do with the limitations of the clipart folder?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350136</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349874</id>
	<title>I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267608240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It'll be in the Cloud! It'll be grand! "What does that mean?" Oh, it doesn't matter.  It's in the Cloud! Duuuuude! The CLOUD, man!
<p>
It seems to me that the Cloud is the end result of network engineers being too successful in dumbing down "all that network" stuff into an amorphous cloud in their Visio diagrams, in order to allay the concerns of micromanaging PHBs.
</p><p>
My suggestion is that we start calling it the Clod.  Then at least we could get some entertainment value of out if.  "Ubuntu Desktop in the Clod" and "Moving all your mission-critical resources to the Clod!", or "How can the Clod help YOUR business to succeed?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'll be in the Cloud !
It 'll be grand !
" What does that mean ?
" Oh , it does n't matter .
It 's in the Cloud !
Duuuuude ! The CLOUD , man !
It seems to me that the Cloud is the end result of network engineers being too successful in dumbing down " all that network " stuff into an amorphous cloud in their Visio diagrams , in order to allay the concerns of micromanaging PHBs .
My suggestion is that we start calling it the Clod .
Then at least we could get some entertainment value of out if .
" Ubuntu Desktop in the Clod " and " Moving all your mission-critical resources to the Clod !
" , or " How can the Clod help YOUR business to succeed ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'll be in the Cloud!
It'll be grand!
"What does that mean?
" Oh, it doesn't matter.
It's in the Cloud!
Duuuuude! The CLOUD, man!
It seems to me that the Cloud is the end result of network engineers being too successful in dumbing down "all that network" stuff into an amorphous cloud in their Visio diagrams, in order to allay the concerns of micromanaging PHBs.
My suggestion is that we start calling it the Clod.
Then at least we could get some entertainment value of out if.
"Ubuntu Desktop in the Clod" and "Moving all your mission-critical resources to the Clod!
", or "How can the Clod help YOUR business to succeed?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349524</id>
	<title>NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>lkcl</author>
	<datestamp>1267649940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>whenever attempting to get FreeNX working, i've found it to be a total bitch, client-side as well as server-side.  by contrast, rdesktop or any other RDP client, client-side and xrdp server-side (which is purely a matter of apt-get install xrdp on debian-based distributions) is so simple to install that a monkey could do it.  demo of a monkey (myself) doing exactly that: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsydsar5Pk" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsydsar5Pk</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>whenever attempting to get FreeNX working , i 've found it to be a total bitch , client-side as well as server-side .
by contrast , rdesktop or any other RDP client , client-side and xrdp server-side ( which is purely a matter of apt-get install xrdp on debian-based distributions ) is so simple to install that a monkey could do it .
demo of a monkey ( myself ) doing exactly that : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = nbsydsar5Pk [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whenever attempting to get FreeNX working, i've found it to be a total bitch, client-side as well as server-side.
by contrast, rdesktop or any other RDP client, client-side and xrdp server-side (which is purely a matter of apt-get install xrdp on debian-based distributions) is so simple to install that a monkey could do it.
demo of a monkey (myself) doing exactly that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsydsar5Pk [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349710</id>
	<title>Bah</title>
	<author>mgvrolijk</author>
	<datestamp>1267607640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just mentioning the "cloud" should be legal basis enough for having your testicles yanked out with extreme prejudice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just mentioning the " cloud " should be legal basis enough for having your testicles yanked out with extreme prejudice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just mentioning the "cloud" should be legal basis enough for having your testicles yanked out with extreme prejudice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31354264</id>
	<title>Re:NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>Junta</author>
	<datestamp>1267635300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been taking to SimpleNX, though no actual packages have been released.  I checked out the git repository.  Basically, it simplifies starting a rootless NX session without all the mess of an NX user and such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been taking to SimpleNX , though no actual packages have been released .
I checked out the git repository .
Basically , it simplifies starting a rootless NX session without all the mess of an NX user and such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been taking to SimpleNX, though no actual packages have been released.
I checked out the git repository.
Basically, it simplifies starting a rootless NX session without all the mess of an NX user and such.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349408</id>
	<title>Let's Open-Source the cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267649400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then we can run our own cloud and connect to it from wherever we want. There's a snowball's chance in hell I'm going to run my desktop on hardware that is out of my control, but for local applications, that might be interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then we can run our own cloud and connect to it from wherever we want .
There 's a snowball 's chance in hell I 'm going to run my desktop on hardware that is out of my control , but for local applications , that might be interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then we can run our own cloud and connect to it from wherever we want.
There's a snowball's chance in hell I'm going to run my desktop on hardware that is out of my control, but for local applications, that might be interesting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349644</id>
	<title>Re:Which EC2?</title>
	<author>wintercolby</author>
	<datestamp>1267607340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It must be this one, because somewhere nearby Mick Jagger is singing "Get Off My Cloud": <br> <br>
London EC2, London postal district covering the area of central London around Bishopsgate, Moorgate, and Liverpool Street</htmltext>
<tokenext>It must be this one , because somewhere nearby Mick Jagger is singing " Get Off My Cloud " : London EC2 , London postal district covering the area of central London around Bishopsgate , Moorgate , and Liverpool Street</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It must be this one, because somewhere nearby Mick Jagger is singing "Get Off My Cloud":  
London EC2, London postal district covering the area of central London around Bishopsgate, Moorgate, and Liverpool Street</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350430</id>
	<title>Ubuntu also has software to create a private cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better client support follows from having better servers support.  Ubuntu has introduced the ability to provide a private EC2 compatible cloud.<br>I probably wouldn't pay to put the desktops in the cloud, but if I could reduce the complexity of the desktops in my organization by building a local cloud, it certainly doesn't hurt.  This competes with the Citrix and VMware desktop integration business.   More solutions improve our choices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better client support follows from having better servers support .
Ubuntu has introduced the ability to provide a private EC2 compatible cloud.I probably would n't pay to put the desktops in the cloud , but if I could reduce the complexity of the desktops in my organization by building a local cloud , it certainly does n't hurt .
This competes with the Citrix and VMware desktop integration business .
More solutions improve our choices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better client support follows from having better servers support.
Ubuntu has introduced the ability to provide a private EC2 compatible cloud.I probably wouldn't pay to put the desktops in the cloud, but if I could reduce the complexity of the desktops in my organization by building a local cloud, it certainly doesn't hurt.
This competes with the Citrix and VMware desktop integration business.
More solutions improve our choices.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349982</id>
	<title>Good job, /.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267608720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu finally has an icon, and it wasn't just a one-time usage... thanks for doing the sensible thing for once.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu finally has an icon , and it was n't just a one-time usage... thanks for doing the sensible thing for once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu finally has an icon, and it wasn't just a one-time usage... thanks for doing the sensible thing for once.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350644</id>
	<title>not for you</title>
	<author>digitalsushi</author>
	<datestamp>1267611960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same people wondering why they need this might be the same that complain about a 10 gig nic being useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same people wondering why they need this might be the same that complain about a 10 gig nic being useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same people wondering why they need this might be the same that complain about a 10 gig nic being useless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31352028</id>
	<title>Re:That's nice and all...</title>
	<author>homer\_ca</author>
	<datestamp>1267618500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EC2 costs $.085/hr for a default standard on-demand instance: 1.7GB RAM, 160GB storage. Data transfer out costs $.15/GB. Pretty expensive just to serve out one desktop with FreeNX, but it supports multiple users. It could be a decent number with 1.7GB RAM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EC2 costs $ .085/hr for a default standard on-demand instance : 1.7GB RAM , 160GB storage .
Data transfer out costs $ .15/GB .
Pretty expensive just to serve out one desktop with FreeNX , but it supports multiple users .
It could be a decent number with 1.7GB RAM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EC2 costs $.085/hr for a default standard on-demand instance: 1.7GB RAM, 160GB storage.
Data transfer out costs $.15/GB.
Pretty expensive just to serve out one desktop with FreeNX, but it supports multiple users.
It could be a decent number with 1.7GB RAM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349416</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349416</id>
	<title>That's nice and all...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267649460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's nice and all... how much does EC2 cost again? $70 a month + bandwidth + storage? I think that there are probably better options out there for a "cloud" desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nice and all... how much does EC2 cost again ?
$ 70 a month + bandwidth + storage ?
I think that there are probably better options out there for a " cloud " desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nice and all... how much does EC2 cost again?
$70 a month + bandwidth + storage?
I think that there are probably better options out there for a "cloud" desktop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350686</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1267612140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But I wonder, if you are remoting to this machine, won't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web?</p></div></blockquote><p>Why would you use the remote system for surfing the web? I can see using it to test a web page under Ubuntu if your normal desktop environment isn't Ubuntu, but since you need a local computer to connect to the remote one in the first place, and most computers will be more than capable of surfing the web, why would you do normal surfing on the remote?</p><p>(I can see using it that way if you are locally hosting your cloud, so that you are separating logical desktops from physical machines, and that's likely viable since Ubuntu Server includes an EC2-compatible cloud implementation, but if you are actually hosting it remotely with Amazon, that seems like a really odd use of it.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I wonder , if you are remoting to this machine , wo n't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web ? Why would you use the remote system for surfing the web ?
I can see using it to test a web page under Ubuntu if your normal desktop environment is n't Ubuntu , but since you need a local computer to connect to the remote one in the first place , and most computers will be more than capable of surfing the web , why would you do normal surfing on the remote ?
( I can see using it that way if you are locally hosting your cloud , so that you are separating logical desktops from physical machines , and that 's likely viable since Ubuntu Server includes an EC2-compatible cloud implementation , but if you are actually hosting it remotely with Amazon , that seems like a really odd use of it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I wonder, if you are remoting to this machine, won't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web?Why would you use the remote system for surfing the web?
I can see using it to test a web page under Ubuntu if your normal desktop environment isn't Ubuntu, but since you need a local computer to connect to the remote one in the first place, and most computers will be more than capable of surfing the web, why would you do normal surfing on the remote?
(I can see using it that way if you are locally hosting your cloud, so that you are separating logical desktops from physical machines, and that's likely viable since Ubuntu Server includes an EC2-compatible cloud implementation, but if you are actually hosting it remotely with Amazon, that seems like a really odd use of it.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349726</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349728</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1267607640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Butbut<b>cloud!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Butbutcloud !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Butbutcloud!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349544</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350268</id>
	<title>i never saw the point of cloud desktops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267610100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hardware is dirt cheap and getting cheaper. you can buy a powerful server for cheap as well. but after you buy the Citrix or whatever licenses, a few more servers for redundancy, a ton of storage at enterprise prices, the enterprise hardware support, increase network bandwidth etc the savings vanish and it's cheaper to just buy regular desktop machines.</p><p>same thing with EC2. by the time you put in the network hardware and new circuits and pay Amazon for 24x7 instances it's cheaper to just buy desktops. i'm typing this on a 5 year old HP that runs windows 7 just fine.</p><p>i bet all this cloud nonsense is enterprise hardware companies trying to push higher margin products and no real trend that anyone is doing. the numbers just don't work out</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hardware is dirt cheap and getting cheaper .
you can buy a powerful server for cheap as well .
but after you buy the Citrix or whatever licenses , a few more servers for redundancy , a ton of storage at enterprise prices , the enterprise hardware support , increase network bandwidth etc the savings vanish and it 's cheaper to just buy regular desktop machines.same thing with EC2 .
by the time you put in the network hardware and new circuits and pay Amazon for 24x7 instances it 's cheaper to just buy desktops .
i 'm typing this on a 5 year old HP that runs windows 7 just fine.i bet all this cloud nonsense is enterprise hardware companies trying to push higher margin products and no real trend that anyone is doing .
the numbers just do n't work out</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hardware is dirt cheap and getting cheaper.
you can buy a powerful server for cheap as well.
but after you buy the Citrix or whatever licenses, a few more servers for redundancy, a ton of storage at enterprise prices, the enterprise hardware support, increase network bandwidth etc the savings vanish and it's cheaper to just buy regular desktop machines.same thing with EC2.
by the time you put in the network hardware and new circuits and pay Amazon for 24x7 instances it's cheaper to just buy desktops.
i'm typing this on a 5 year old HP that runs windows 7 just fine.i bet all this cloud nonsense is enterprise hardware companies trying to push higher margin products and no real trend that anyone is doing.
the numbers just don't work out</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350230</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1267609860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>won't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web?</p></div></blockquote><p>Twice?!  Haha.  No.</p><p>Try 10X or so.</p><p>HTML and optimized compressed images are far, far smaller than an un-optimized, on-the-fly compressed X11 display.  NX does a good job, but no way are you anywhere near just double the bandwidth.  And YouTube?  Forget it!</p><p>And let's remember, not only are you paying Amazon twice, you're also paying that much more for your own broadband connection.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>wo n't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web ? Twice ? !
Haha. No.Try 10X or so.HTML and optimized compressed images are far , far smaller than an un-optimized , on-the-fly compressed X11 display .
NX does a good job , but no way are you anywhere near just double the bandwidth .
And YouTube ?
Forget it ! And let 's remember , not only are you paying Amazon twice , you 're also paying that much more for your own broadband connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>won't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web?Twice?!
Haha.  No.Try 10X or so.HTML and optimized compressed images are far, far smaller than an un-optimized, on-the-fly compressed X11 display.
NX does a good job, but no way are you anywhere near just double the bandwidth.
And YouTube?
Forget it!And let's remember, not only are you paying Amazon twice, you're also paying that much more for your own broadband connection.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349840</id>
	<title>Hypocrites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267608060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wasn't it not too long ago when<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. was hammering Microsoft for even mentioning the word "cloud"?<br>
Oh, it is different now. I get it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't it not too long ago when / .
was hammering Microsoft for even mentioning the word " cloud " ?
Oh , it is different now .
I get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't it not too long ago when /.
was hammering Microsoft for even mentioning the word "cloud"?
Oh, it is different now.
I get it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31352070</id>
	<title>Re:NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>jeffstar</author>
	<datestamp>1267618620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>freenx was simple as for me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... download packages and double click. 8.04.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>freenx was simple as for me ... download packages and double click .
8.04 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>freenx was simple as for me ... download packages and double click.
8.04.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349454</id>
	<title>NOOOOOOOOOO!</title>
	<author>Michael Kristopeit</author>
	<datestamp>1267649640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>i seriously had to check if it was april 1st.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i seriously had to check if it was april 1st .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i seriously had to check if it was april 1st.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31351710</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Open-Source the cloud</title>
	<author>jopsen</author>
	<datestamp>1267616880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is more likely to be usable for server admins, who don't like SSH...e.g. people who come from Windows Server and (thus) shouldn't be administrating servers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is more likely to be usable for server admins , who do n't like SSH...e.g .
people who come from Windows Server and ( thus ) should n't be administrating servers : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is more likely to be usable for server admins, who don't like SSH...e.g.
people who come from Windows Server and (thus) shouldn't be administrating servers :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350722</id>
	<title>Re:NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>bflong</author>
	<datestamp>1267612260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had the opposite experience. I installed FreeNX on a VM at the office to provide remote desktops to my users. I didn't have any trouble at all setting it up (Kubuntu 9.10), and had it up and running in 15 minutes.</p><p>I had not heard of xrdp before. I'll have to look into it. One of the 'problems' with NX is requiring the user to install the NX client on their machine at home. Maybe if I switch I can eliminate that issue. Although I kind of doubt it's as bandwidth efficient and responsive as NX. Even remote 128k dsl connections are really, really smooth over NX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had the opposite experience .
I installed FreeNX on a VM at the office to provide remote desktops to my users .
I did n't have any trouble at all setting it up ( Kubuntu 9.10 ) , and had it up and running in 15 minutes.I had not heard of xrdp before .
I 'll have to look into it .
One of the 'problems ' with NX is requiring the user to install the NX client on their machine at home .
Maybe if I switch I can eliminate that issue .
Although I kind of doubt it 's as bandwidth efficient and responsive as NX .
Even remote 128k dsl connections are really , really smooth over NX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had the opposite experience.
I installed FreeNX on a VM at the office to provide remote desktops to my users.
I didn't have any trouble at all setting it up (Kubuntu 9.10), and had it up and running in 15 minutes.I had not heard of xrdp before.
I'll have to look into it.
One of the 'problems' with NX is requiring the user to install the NX client on their machine at home.
Maybe if I switch I can eliminate that issue.
Although I kind of doubt it's as bandwidth efficient and responsive as NX.
Even remote 128k dsl connections are really, really smooth over NX.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350694</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Open-Source the cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267612200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's interesting for anything non-confidential. Unless you are e-mailing credit card numbers, you know what to protect.<br>Flawed assumption to expect common sense from users, but for this audience (/.) this is a major file sharing tool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting for anything non-confidential .
Unless you are e-mailing credit card numbers , you know what to protect.Flawed assumption to expect common sense from users , but for this audience ( / .
) this is a major file sharing tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting for anything non-confidential.
Unless you are e-mailing credit card numbers, you know what to protect.Flawed assumption to expect common sense from users, but for this audience (/.
) this is a major file sharing tool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349408</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31351088</id>
	<title>Re:NX is a bitch: use XRDP instead</title>
	<author>Terrasque</author>
	<datestamp>1267613940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FreeNX is a bitch to set up, I agree. I've never got it to work properly.</p><p>However, NoMachine's free NX server (which allows up to two logged in users...) have mostly been extemely easy to set up (download packages, dpkg -i *.deb), and performance is in a completely different world than RDP, even win7's. Even on a 30-40 kbps connection I can sometimes forget I'm sitting remotely, because of the speed and response. Try that with RDP, every time you scroll or move something, things just stop. And god forbid you actually have some animation on the screen (constantly running flash ad anyone?)</p><p>We also have google's neatx - a rewrite of the open source server. URL : <a href="http://code.google.com/p/neatx/" title="google.com">http://code.google.com/p/neatx/</a> [google.com]</p><p>Anyway, try nomachine's free server before you dismiss the technology, my friend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeNX is a bitch to set up , I agree .
I 've never got it to work properly.However , NoMachine 's free NX server ( which allows up to two logged in users... ) have mostly been extemely easy to set up ( download packages , dpkg -i * .deb ) , and performance is in a completely different world than RDP , even win7 's .
Even on a 30-40 kbps connection I can sometimes forget I 'm sitting remotely , because of the speed and response .
Try that with RDP , every time you scroll or move something , things just stop .
And god forbid you actually have some animation on the screen ( constantly running flash ad anyone ?
) We also have google 's neatx - a rewrite of the open source server .
URL : http : //code.google.com/p/neatx/ [ google.com ] Anyway , try nomachine 's free server before you dismiss the technology , my friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeNX is a bitch to set up, I agree.
I've never got it to work properly.However, NoMachine's free NX server (which allows up to two logged in users...) have mostly been extemely easy to set up (download packages, dpkg -i *.deb), and performance is in a completely different world than RDP, even win7's.
Even on a 30-40 kbps connection I can sometimes forget I'm sitting remotely, because of the speed and response.
Try that with RDP, every time you scroll or move something, things just stop.
And god forbid you actually have some animation on the screen (constantly running flash ad anyone?
)We also have google's neatx - a rewrite of the open source server.
URL : http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ [google.com]Anyway, try nomachine's free server before you dismiss the technology, my friend.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31350638</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Open-Source the cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267611900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea because we want to connect to Joe-Blows likely insecure cloud node. Sounds like the same problem most non tinfoil hatery people have with Tor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea because we want to connect to Joe-Blows likely insecure cloud node .
Sounds like the same problem most non tinfoil hatery people have with Tor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea because we want to connect to Joe-Blows likely insecure cloud node.
Sounds like the same problem most non tinfoil hatery people have with Tor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349428</id>
	<title>Which EC2?</title>
	<author>HalAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1267649520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC2" title="wikipedia.org">Which EC2</a> [wikipedia.org] do you mean?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which EC2 [ wikipedia.org ] do you mean ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which EC2 [wikipedia.org] do you mean?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31351302</id>
	<title>Re:I love that word, but have a suggestion.</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1267614960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cloud computing is simply the name given to the virtualization and SaaS trends. It is a real phenomenon, so why not let it have a one-syllable name? I mean, we could call it "Utility-IT" or "virtual outsourced hosting services" or any of several terms which are slightly more descriptive, but such names certainly aren't any better.</p><p>In my opinion, "cloud computing" is a pretty decent name for scalable, on-demand, utility-billed IT services. At least it's not another acronym!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cloud computing is simply the name given to the virtualization and SaaS trends .
It is a real phenomenon , so why not let it have a one-syllable name ?
I mean , we could call it " Utility-IT " or " virtual outsourced hosting services " or any of several terms which are slightly more descriptive , but such names certainly are n't any better.In my opinion , " cloud computing " is a pretty decent name for scalable , on-demand , utility-billed IT services .
At least it 's not another acronym !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cloud computing is simply the name given to the virtualization and SaaS trends.
It is a real phenomenon, so why not let it have a one-syllable name?
I mean, we could call it "Utility-IT" or "virtual outsourced hosting services" or any of several terms which are slightly more descriptive, but such names certainly aren't any better.In my opinion, "cloud computing" is a pretty decent name for scalable, on-demand, utility-billed IT services.
At least it's not another acronym!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31349726</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1267607640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Checking the EC2 pricing scheme:</p><p>Small Linux install: $.085 per hour<br>Up to the First 10TB of data transfer: 0.15 per GB</p><p>And it goes down as you add more instances in. So the cost may be relatively small.</p><p>But I wonder, if you are remoting to this machine, won't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web? Incoming data has to go to that instance first and then route to you. AFAIK you'll be charged for total bandwidth usage.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Checking the EC2 pricing scheme : Small Linux install : $ .085 per hourUp to the First 10TB of data transfer : 0.15 per GBAnd it goes down as you add more instances in .
So the cost may be relatively small.But I wonder , if you are remoting to this machine , wo n't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web ?
Incoming data has to go to that instance first and then route to you .
AFAIK you 'll be charged for total bandwidth usage .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Checking the EC2 pricing scheme:Small Linux install: $.085 per hourUp to the First 10TB of data transfer: 0.15 per GBAnd it goes down as you add more instances in.
So the cost may be relatively small.But I wonder, if you are remoting to this machine, won't you be charged for twice the bandwidth if you are using it as your desktop to surf the web?
Incoming data has to go to that instance first and then route to you.
AFAIK you'll be charged for total bandwidth usage.
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_1947235.31351204</id>
	<title>Re:Cost prohibitive?</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1267614480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What we have been talking about here is either using it for DR plans, or for letting remote users with cheap thinclients (say nettop+linux+rdp/x/nx/vnc) access managed (by us) virtual desktops which have all their data plus our software, backups, reliability, and security.</p><p>Bonus: if the nettop/netbook is stolen, NO data is lost, as it never leaves our servers (in persistent form, at least).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What we have been talking about here is either using it for DR plans , or for letting remote users with cheap thinclients ( say nettop + linux + rdp/x/nx/vnc ) access managed ( by us ) virtual desktops which have all their data plus our software , backups , reliability , and security.Bonus : if the nettop/netbook is stolen , NO data is lost , as it never leaves our servers ( in persistent form , at least ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we have been talking about here is either using it for DR plans, or for letting remote users with cheap thinclients (say nettop+linux+rdp/x/nx/vnc) access managed (by us) virtual desktops which have all their data plus our software, backups, reliability, and security.Bonus: if the nettop/netbook is stolen, NO data is lost, as it never leaves our servers (in persistent form, at least).</sentencetext>
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