<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_03_0328246</id>
	<title>Mariposa Botnet Beheaded</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267621980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>northernboy and many other readers sent news of the <a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_TEC\_BOTNET\_BUSTED?SITE=AP&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&amp;CTIME=2010-03-02-14-26-32">beheading of the Mariposa botnet</a> with three arrests in Spain. <i>"Defense Intelligence of Ottawa working with ISPs and Spanish authorities have taken down yet another &gt; 12M PC botnet, called Mariposa. The three top-level operators are in custody, but remain anonymous under Spanish law (how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy). AP is claiming that the botnet included systems in roughly half of the Fortune 1000 companies, scattered over 190 countries. Interesting details: none of the three principals has a prior criminal record. Although apparently hardworking, they are not uber-hackers, but rather had connections to the Spanish mafia, which apparently helped to equip them. At the time of arrest, they were not showing signs of their significant new income level. From the article: 'Chris Davis, CEO of Ottawa-based Defence Intelligence, said he noticed the infections when they appeared on networks of some of his firm's clients, including pharmaceutical companies and banks. It wasn't until several months later that he realized the infections were part of something much bigger. After seeing that some of the servers used to control computers in the botnet were located in Spain, Davis and researchers from the Georgia Tech Information Security Center joined with software firm Panda Security, which is headquartered in Bilbao, Spain. The investigators caught a few lucky breaks. For one, the suspects used Internet services that wound up cooperating with investigators. That isn't always the case.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>northernboy and many other readers sent news of the beheading of the Mariposa botnet with three arrests in Spain .
" Defense Intelligence of Ottawa working with ISPs and Spanish authorities have taken down yet another &gt; 12M PC botnet , called Mariposa .
The three top-level operators are in custody , but remain anonymous under Spanish law ( how quaint : apparently in Spain , the accused have some right to privacy ) .
AP is claiming that the botnet included systems in roughly half of the Fortune 1000 companies , scattered over 190 countries .
Interesting details : none of the three principals has a prior criminal record .
Although apparently hardworking , they are not uber-hackers , but rather had connections to the Spanish mafia , which apparently helped to equip them .
At the time of arrest , they were not showing signs of their significant new income level .
From the article : 'Chris Davis , CEO of Ottawa-based Defence Intelligence , said he noticed the infections when they appeared on networks of some of his firm 's clients , including pharmaceutical companies and banks .
It was n't until several months later that he realized the infections were part of something much bigger .
After seeing that some of the servers used to control computers in the botnet were located in Spain , Davis and researchers from the Georgia Tech Information Security Center joined with software firm Panda Security , which is headquartered in Bilbao , Spain .
The investigators caught a few lucky breaks .
For one , the suspects used Internet services that wound up cooperating with investigators .
That is n't always the case .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>northernboy and many other readers sent news of the beheading of the Mariposa botnet with three arrests in Spain.
"Defense Intelligence of Ottawa working with ISPs and Spanish authorities have taken down yet another &gt; 12M PC botnet, called Mariposa.
The three top-level operators are in custody, but remain anonymous under Spanish law (how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy).
AP is claiming that the botnet included systems in roughly half of the Fortune 1000 companies, scattered over 190 countries.
Interesting details: none of the three principals has a prior criminal record.
Although apparently hardworking, they are not uber-hackers, but rather had connections to the Spanish mafia, which apparently helped to equip them.
At the time of arrest, they were not showing signs of their significant new income level.
From the article: 'Chris Davis, CEO of Ottawa-based Defence Intelligence, said he noticed the infections when they appeared on networks of some of his firm's clients, including pharmaceutical companies and banks.
It wasn't until several months later that he realized the infections were part of something much bigger.
After seeing that some of the servers used to control computers in the botnet were located in Spain, Davis and researchers from the Georgia Tech Information Security Center joined with software firm Panda Security, which is headquartered in Bilbao, Spain.
The investigators caught a few lucky breaks.
For one, the suspects used Internet services that wound up cooperating with investigators.
That isn't always the case.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346800</id>
	<title>Re:Pentalty for 12 million botnet = 6 years</title>
	<author>DangerousDriver</author>
	<datestamp>1267637340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's why botnets and, more generally, spam continue to survive - people buy the products advertised!:</p><p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527491.500-spamdemic-tracking-the-plague-of-junk-mail.html" title="newscientist.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527491.500-spamdemic-tracking-the-plague-of-junk-mail.html</a> [newscientist.com]</p><p>(From the text in the graphic) An analysis of just 1.5\% of one botnet ("Storm") for one month in 2008 showed:</p><p>35 million spams sent<br>8.2 million passed filtering software<br>10,500 clicked on the link in the email<br><i>28 people actually bought the product</i></p><p>Although this represents only a 0.000008\% conversion rate when scaled up it shows that "Storm" generated $3.5 million in sales in 2008.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's why botnets and , more generally , spam continue to survive - people buy the products advertised !
: http : //www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527491.500-spamdemic-tracking-the-plague-of-junk-mail.html [ newscientist.com ] ( From the text in the graphic ) An analysis of just 1.5 \ % of one botnet ( " Storm " ) for one month in 2008 showed : 35 million spams sent8.2 million passed filtering software10,500 clicked on the link in the email28 people actually bought the productAlthough this represents only a 0.000008 \ % conversion rate when scaled up it shows that " Storm " generated $ 3.5 million in sales in 2008 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's why botnets and, more generally, spam continue to survive - people buy the products advertised!
:http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527491.500-spamdemic-tracking-the-plague-of-junk-mail.html [newscientist.com](From the text in the graphic) An analysis of just 1.5\% of one botnet ("Storm") for one month in 2008 showed:35 million spams sent8.2 million passed filtering software10,500 clicked on the link in the email28 people actually bought the productAlthough this represents only a 0.000008\% conversion rate when scaled up it shows that "Storm" generated $3.5 million in sales in 2008.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345114</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267630140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or perhaps you are confusing not releasing the names to the press with those who need to know being aware. Where does it say they have been arrested and imprisoned without anyone else being aware?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or perhaps you are confusing not releasing the names to the press with those who need to know being aware .
Where does it say they have been arrested and imprisoned without anyone else being aware ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or perhaps you are confusing not releasing the names to the press with those who need to know being aware.
Where does it say they have been arrested and imprisoned without anyone else being aware?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345278</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>work30295i235</author>
	<datestamp>1267630920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right! Secret arrests are great!  At least, for governments that do no evil.  The US Constitution however <b>protects</b> the accused by <b>mandating</b> citizens names released to keep the police honest and accountable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right !
Secret arrests are great !
At least , for governments that do no evil .
The US Constitution however protects the accused by mandating citizens names released to keep the police honest and accountable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right!
Secret arrests are great!
At least, for governments that do no evil.
The US Constitution however protects the accused by mandating citizens names released to keep the police honest and accountable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31347056</id>
	<title>Re:Another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267638300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It turns out that Telefonica, the major ISP in Spain, is already doing this to a great number of customers. Obviously, being the incompetents they are, they do not provide any automated way for the customer to request removal of the port 25 block. Additionally they don't offer any "business" connections at all, so all customers are randomly eligible to be blocked. Furthermore, in many cases they blatantly deny to be blocking anything, so customers must engage in an epic phone adventure until being able to request the unblocking. As a result, all the small ISPs providing hosting services for companies, as well as professionals providing in-place server setups (exchanges...), are extremely pissed up by the insane amounts of time lost for no reason.</p><p>Morale: ISPs should *not* tamper with customers' connections. At most, ship their routers so that they block outgoing smtp connections to non-ISP owned servers. This would be a much better solution because uneducated users will not experience any problems, whereas knowledgeable people will be able to fix their own problems without having to waste time and resources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It turns out that Telefonica , the major ISP in Spain , is already doing this to a great number of customers .
Obviously , being the incompetents they are , they do not provide any automated way for the customer to request removal of the port 25 block .
Additionally they do n't offer any " business " connections at all , so all customers are randomly eligible to be blocked .
Furthermore , in many cases they blatantly deny to be blocking anything , so customers must engage in an epic phone adventure until being able to request the unblocking .
As a result , all the small ISPs providing hosting services for companies , as well as professionals providing in-place server setups ( exchanges... ) , are extremely pissed up by the insane amounts of time lost for no reason.Morale : ISPs should * not * tamper with customers ' connections .
At most , ship their routers so that they block outgoing smtp connections to non-ISP owned servers .
This would be a much better solution because uneducated users will not experience any problems , whereas knowledgeable people will be able to fix their own problems without having to waste time and resources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It turns out that Telefonica, the major ISP in Spain, is already doing this to a great number of customers.
Obviously, being the incompetents they are, they do not provide any automated way for the customer to request removal of the port 25 block.
Additionally they don't offer any "business" connections at all, so all customers are randomly eligible to be blocked.
Furthermore, in many cases they blatantly deny to be blocking anything, so customers must engage in an epic phone adventure until being able to request the unblocking.
As a result, all the small ISPs providing hosting services for companies, as well as professionals providing in-place server setups (exchanges...), are extremely pissed up by the insane amounts of time lost for no reason.Morale: ISPs should *not* tamper with customers' connections.
At most, ship their routers so that they block outgoing smtp connections to non-ISP owned servers.
This would be a much better solution because uneducated users will not experience any problems, whereas knowledgeable people will be able to fix their own problems without having to waste time and resources.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344790</id>
	<title>Re:Another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267628700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You won't see a reduction until the ISPs start to be accountable for their users.<br>ISP should be pro-active in managing connections - only open up certain ports where the users have requested it.<br>eg. SMTP - home users should only be able to connect to port 25 on their ISPs mail server.<br>Do home users need remote access to Windows Filesharing?  I don't think so, so the ISPs could block those ports by default too.</p><p>The old days of only clueful people connected to the net are long gone (by about 20 years).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You wo n't see a reduction until the ISPs start to be accountable for their users.ISP should be pro-active in managing connections - only open up certain ports where the users have requested it.eg .
SMTP - home users should only be able to connect to port 25 on their ISPs mail server.Do home users need remote access to Windows Filesharing ?
I do n't think so , so the ISPs could block those ports by default too.The old days of only clueful people connected to the net are long gone ( by about 20 years ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You won't see a reduction until the ISPs start to be accountable for their users.ISP should be pro-active in managing connections - only open up certain ports where the users have requested it.eg.
SMTP - home users should only be able to connect to port 25 on their ISPs mail server.Do home users need remote access to Windows Filesharing?
I don't think so, so the ISPs could block those ports by default too.The old days of only clueful people connected to the net are long gone (by about 20 years).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345754</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267632720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>I think I might do the same if I ever go "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge\_(cosmetics)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">rouge</a> [wikipedia.org]".</i> </p></div><p>I recommend going "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ROUGE" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">rouge</a> [wikipedia.org]" instead of verbing nouns.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I might do the same if I ever go " rouge [ wikipedia.org ] " .
I recommend going " rouge [ wikipedia.org ] " instead of verbing nouns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I think I might do the same if I ever go "rouge [wikipedia.org]".
I recommend going "rouge [wikipedia.org]" instead of verbing nouns.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31349060</id>
	<title>Re:Pentalty for 12 million botnet = 6 years</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1267647660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I still don't understand why the U.S. government doesn't treat these wide-spread, expensive crimes as a priority.</p></div><p>When the US investigates or attempts to punish nationals of another country they are generally scorned. Maybe you should ask the Spanish?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I still do n't understand why the U.S. government does n't treat these wide-spread , expensive crimes as a priority.When the US investigates or attempts to punish nationals of another country they are generally scorned .
Maybe you should ask the Spanish ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still don't understand why the U.S. government doesn't treat these wide-spread, expensive crimes as a priority.When the US investigates or attempts to punish nationals of another country they are generally scorned.
Maybe you should ask the Spanish?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344900</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>thesaintar</author>
	<datestamp>1267629180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Argentina this is the case too, when the media is present, arrested individuals have their faces covered off by the police in order to safeguard their identities</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Argentina this is the case too , when the media is present , arrested individuals have their faces covered off by the police in order to safeguard their identities</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Argentina this is the case too, when the media is present, arrested individuals have their faces covered off by the police in order to safeguard their identities</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344430</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267626900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In both the USA and Canada, you're allowed to publish the names of the accused as long as they're adults. The accused need to request that the court protect their anonymity by ordering that their names not be published until after the trial, and the court maintains the right to deny that request.</p><p>For juvenile offenders, it's a different story... young offenders must always be referred to by pseudonym to protect their anonymity, and their records are expunged when they turn 18. Unless, of course, they're tried as adults, which has been known to happen in cases of violent crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In both the USA and Canada , you 're allowed to publish the names of the accused as long as they 're adults .
The accused need to request that the court protect their anonymity by ordering that their names not be published until after the trial , and the court maintains the right to deny that request.For juvenile offenders , it 's a different story... young offenders must always be referred to by pseudonym to protect their anonymity , and their records are expunged when they turn 18 .
Unless , of course , they 're tried as adults , which has been known to happen in cases of violent crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In both the USA and Canada, you're allowed to publish the names of the accused as long as they're adults.
The accused need to request that the court protect their anonymity by ordering that their names not be published until after the trial, and the court maintains the right to deny that request.For juvenile offenders, it's a different story... young offenders must always be referred to by pseudonym to protect their anonymity, and their records are expunged when they turn 18.
Unless, of course, they're tried as adults, which has been known to happen in cases of violent crime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345566</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267632060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NOBODY EXPECTS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. to setup such an obvious punchline to an overused Monty Python skit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NOBODY EXPECTS / .
to setup such an obvious punchline to an overused Monty Python skit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NOBODY EXPECTS /.
to setup such an obvious punchline to an overused Monty Python skit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31348654</id>
	<title>Next step is pull the dman plug!</title>
	<author>cdn-programmer</author>
	<datestamp>1267645560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The next step is for the ISP's of the world to pull he damn plug.</p><p>Look, I know it might inconvenience the owners of the bots.  However it is their negligence which is enabling this and as such they are accessories to criminal activity.  They may be an unwitting accessory but they are still an accessory and this is no different than a bar tender who keeps pouring drinks for a patron and then watches the drunk head out to the parking lot and drive away.</p><p>The bar tender in a case like this can claim all the innocence he wants to claim but as I see it a considerable amount of blame should be assigned if said drunk goes off and kills people.</p><p>Its not different than handing a can of gasoline and a package of matches and a blow torch to an arsonist.</p><p>When people buy a computer and plug it into the net then they have to accept some responsibility for it just as they have to accept some responsibility for their cars.  In the past when they got themselves a horse they needed to accept some responsibility and today when people go get themselves a viscous dog they are ALSO expected to accept some responsibility.</p><p>I say this principle needs to apply to our ISP's as well.</p><p>It is usually simple to determine if they are hosting a bot.  Pull the damn plug.</p><p>Certainly now that the botnet has been exposed those who have been hosting these bots should be able to pull the damn plug.</p><p>Then we have the situation with guess what company supplied the software!  If Toyota should be held accountable for problems in the software that might be controlling the cars they sell then why should software vendors not be held accountable?  The simple answer is that if it isn't ready for market tell them to withdraw it and fix it!</p><p>At the bottom of what we are facing with these botnets are a lot of people who are shirking their responsibilities.</p><p>It is to be EXPECTED that there are criminals in the world.  There are lots of criminals and many try to masquerade as honest folks.  Check the history of the Opium trade and China and the British Empire.  Check the history of the Spanish and their quest for gold in America.  Crime has been going on for centuries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The next step is for the ISP 's of the world to pull he damn plug.Look , I know it might inconvenience the owners of the bots .
However it is their negligence which is enabling this and as such they are accessories to criminal activity .
They may be an unwitting accessory but they are still an accessory and this is no different than a bar tender who keeps pouring drinks for a patron and then watches the drunk head out to the parking lot and drive away.The bar tender in a case like this can claim all the innocence he wants to claim but as I see it a considerable amount of blame should be assigned if said drunk goes off and kills people.Its not different than handing a can of gasoline and a package of matches and a blow torch to an arsonist.When people buy a computer and plug it into the net then they have to accept some responsibility for it just as they have to accept some responsibility for their cars .
In the past when they got themselves a horse they needed to accept some responsibility and today when people go get themselves a viscous dog they are ALSO expected to accept some responsibility.I say this principle needs to apply to our ISP 's as well.It is usually simple to determine if they are hosting a bot .
Pull the damn plug.Certainly now that the botnet has been exposed those who have been hosting these bots should be able to pull the damn plug.Then we have the situation with guess what company supplied the software !
If Toyota should be held accountable for problems in the software that might be controlling the cars they sell then why should software vendors not be held accountable ?
The simple answer is that if it is n't ready for market tell them to withdraw it and fix it ! At the bottom of what we are facing with these botnets are a lot of people who are shirking their responsibilities.It is to be EXPECTED that there are criminals in the world .
There are lots of criminals and many try to masquerade as honest folks .
Check the history of the Opium trade and China and the British Empire .
Check the history of the Spanish and their quest for gold in America .
Crime has been going on for centuries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The next step is for the ISP's of the world to pull he damn plug.Look, I know it might inconvenience the owners of the bots.
However it is their negligence which is enabling this and as such they are accessories to criminal activity.
They may be an unwitting accessory but they are still an accessory and this is no different than a bar tender who keeps pouring drinks for a patron and then watches the drunk head out to the parking lot and drive away.The bar tender in a case like this can claim all the innocence he wants to claim but as I see it a considerable amount of blame should be assigned if said drunk goes off and kills people.Its not different than handing a can of gasoline and a package of matches and a blow torch to an arsonist.When people buy a computer and plug it into the net then they have to accept some responsibility for it just as they have to accept some responsibility for their cars.
In the past when they got themselves a horse they needed to accept some responsibility and today when people go get themselves a viscous dog they are ALSO expected to accept some responsibility.I say this principle needs to apply to our ISP's as well.It is usually simple to determine if they are hosting a bot.
Pull the damn plug.Certainly now that the botnet has been exposed those who have been hosting these bots should be able to pull the damn plug.Then we have the situation with guess what company supplied the software!
If Toyota should be held accountable for problems in the software that might be controlling the cars they sell then why should software vendors not be held accountable?
The simple answer is that if it isn't ready for market tell them to withdraw it and fix it!At the bottom of what we are facing with these botnets are a lot of people who are shirking their responsibilities.It is to be EXPECTED that there are criminals in the world.
There are lots of criminals and many try to masquerade as honest folks.
Check the history of the Opium trade and China and the British Empire.
Check the history of the Spanish and their quest for gold in America.
Crime has been going on for centuries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31363838</id>
	<title>Re:Why is it so hard?</title>
	<author>Anthelme</author>
	<datestamp>1267702320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because not every country has law enforcement who erm.. Enforce the law, and beyond that don't have a court system in which Justice is blind etc etc. They basically don't care because they're mor worried about other things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because not every country has law enforcement who erm.. Enforce the law , and beyond that do n't have a court system in which Justice is blind etc etc .
They basically do n't care because they 're mor worried about other things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because not every country has law enforcement who erm.. Enforce the law, and beyond that don't have a court system in which Justice is blind etc etc.
They basically don't care because they're mor worried about other things.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31353366</id>
	<title>Re:Why is it so hard?</title>
	<author>IonOtter</author>
	<datestamp>1267627860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was-in a way-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue\_Frog" title="wikipedia.org">Blue Security's</a> [wikipedia.org] model, and it worked <i>exceptionally well.</i>  So well that one spammer fought back on a very large scale, causing much hate and discontent towards Blue Security.</p><p>The problem now is that businesses have learned their lessons and obfuscate their websites better, as well as adding CAPTCHAs to prevent automated scripts like Blue Frog from attacking them.</p><p>And I've encountered a few spams from legitimate businesses who had <i>no clue</i> that they'd hired a spammer to do their email advertising.  The poor guy was scared to death when my brother-in-law told them what was happening, as they were a multi-million dollar New York real estate business dealing in properties in <i>Montauk</i>.</p><p>You don't ask prices for <i>anything</i> in Montauk, so this guy definitely did NOT need a spammer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was-in a way-Blue Security 's [ wikipedia.org ] model , and it worked exceptionally well .
So well that one spammer fought back on a very large scale , causing much hate and discontent towards Blue Security.The problem now is that businesses have learned their lessons and obfuscate their websites better , as well as adding CAPTCHAs to prevent automated scripts like Blue Frog from attacking them.And I 've encountered a few spams from legitimate businesses who had no clue that they 'd hired a spammer to do their email advertising .
The poor guy was scared to death when my brother-in-law told them what was happening , as they were a multi-million dollar New York real estate business dealing in properties in Montauk.You do n't ask prices for anything in Montauk , so this guy definitely did NOT need a spammer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was-in a way-Blue Security's [wikipedia.org] model, and it worked exceptionally well.
So well that one spammer fought back on a very large scale, causing much hate and discontent towards Blue Security.The problem now is that businesses have learned their lessons and obfuscate their websites better, as well as adding CAPTCHAs to prevent automated scripts like Blue Frog from attacking them.And I've encountered a few spams from legitimate businesses who had no clue that they'd hired a spammer to do their email advertising.
The poor guy was scared to death when my brother-in-law told them what was happening, as they were a multi-million dollar New York real estate business dealing in properties in Montauk.You don't ask prices for anything in Montauk, so this guy definitely did NOT need a spammer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345058</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344682</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1267628160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If I ever had to 'go rouge' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras.</i></p><p>I think I might do the same if I ever go "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge\_(cosmetics)" title="wikipedia.org">rouge</a> [wikipedia.org]".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I ever had to 'go rouge ' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras.I think I might do the same if I ever go " rouge [ wikipedia.org ] " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I ever had to 'go rouge' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras.I think I might do the same if I ever go "rouge [wikipedia.org]".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344568</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344400</id>
	<title>isp's cooperating</title>
	<author>grapeape</author>
	<datestamp>1267626720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great that another one went down, but the line about catching a lucky break was disturbing.  ISP's dont normally cooperate when told they are harboring botnets?  Isnt not cooperating pretty much the same as supporting it?  Why not just publicly list them and black hole them?  I would imagine it wouldnt take much of that to get them to want to cooperate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great that another one went down , but the line about catching a lucky break was disturbing .
ISP 's dont normally cooperate when told they are harboring botnets ?
Isnt not cooperating pretty much the same as supporting it ?
Why not just publicly list them and black hole them ?
I would imagine it wouldnt take much of that to get them to want to cooperate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great that another one went down, but the line about catching a lucky break was disturbing.
ISP's dont normally cooperate when told they are harboring botnets?
Isnt not cooperating pretty much the same as supporting it?
Why not just publicly list them and black hole them?
I would imagine it wouldnt take much of that to get them to want to cooperate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344596</id>
	<title>Nothing quaint to privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some justice systems emphasise correction instead of simple eye for an eye. Even if you make grave missteps, once attoned for you should get a chance to show you've bettered yourself. Too many people will assume ``once a crook, always a crook'', and while not infrequently true, this isn't always the case. If only just for those few people who do better themselves privacy WRT criminal justice is a good thing. Think about it.</p><p>There's more: In some countries (eg Spain) the justice system is rooted in the royal prerogative to administer justice, thus criminal justice cases are necessairily crown vs. accused, and therefore the rest of the populace has in principle no need to know the name of the accused. You could argue that for certain cases there would be a legitimate interest or need for the public to know, but that's another discussion and doesn't apply here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some justice systems emphasise correction instead of simple eye for an eye .
Even if you make grave missteps , once attoned for you should get a chance to show you 've bettered yourself .
Too many people will assume ` ` once a crook , always a crook' ' , and while not infrequently true , this is n't always the case .
If only just for those few people who do better themselves privacy WRT criminal justice is a good thing .
Think about it.There 's more : In some countries ( eg Spain ) the justice system is rooted in the royal prerogative to administer justice , thus criminal justice cases are necessairily crown vs. accused , and therefore the rest of the populace has in principle no need to know the name of the accused .
You could argue that for certain cases there would be a legitimate interest or need for the public to know , but that 's another discussion and does n't apply here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some justice systems emphasise correction instead of simple eye for an eye.
Even if you make grave missteps, once attoned for you should get a chance to show you've bettered yourself.
Too many people will assume ``once a crook, always a crook'', and while not infrequently true, this isn't always the case.
If only just for those few people who do better themselves privacy WRT criminal justice is a good thing.
Think about it.There's more: In some countries (eg Spain) the justice system is rooted in the royal prerogative to administer justice, thus criminal justice cases are necessairily crown vs. accused, and therefore the rest of the populace has in principle no need to know the name of the accused.
You could argue that for certain cases there would be a legitimate interest or need for the public to know, but that's another discussion and doesn't apply here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346982</id>
	<title>The Queen is dead...</title>
	<author>RobDollar</author>
	<datestamp>1267638000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Queen Mariposa Botnet of Spain has been beheaded, I declare an international day of mourning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Queen Mariposa Botnet of Spain has been beheaded , I declare an international day of mourning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Queen Mariposa Botnet of Spain has been beheaded, I declare an international day of mourning.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31354912</id>
	<title>As a Canadian Citizen, I'm Stunned!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267642560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Ottawa-based Defence Intelligence</i></p><p>I can assure you that most Canadians truly believed that there was absolutely no intelligence in Ottawa.</p><p>(It's the national capitol - think Washington DC).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ottawa-based Defence IntelligenceI can assure you that most Canadians truly believed that there was absolutely no intelligence in Ottawa .
( It 's the national capitol - think Washington DC ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ottawa-based Defence IntelligenceI can assure you that most Canadians truly believed that there was absolutely no intelligence in Ottawa.
(It's the national capitol - think Washington DC).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344230</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344754</id>
	<title>like apples and oranges</title>
	<author>Gen. Malaise</author>
	<datestamp>1267628520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The Mariposa botnet, which has been dismantled, was easily one of the world's biggest. It spread to more than 190 countries, according to researchers. It also appears to be far more sophisticated than the botnet that was used to hack into Google Inc. and other companies in the attack that led Google to threaten to pull out of China." ----- Wait, what? This was written by the AP's "technology writer". I guess he doesn't read<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.? The Google attack was not a botnet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The Mariposa botnet , which has been dismantled , was easily one of the world 's biggest .
It spread to more than 190 countries , according to researchers .
It also appears to be far more sophisticated than the botnet that was used to hack into Google Inc. and other companies in the attack that led Google to threaten to pull out of China .
" ----- Wait , what ?
This was written by the AP 's " technology writer " .
I guess he does n't read /. ?
The Google attack was not a botnet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The Mariposa botnet, which has been dismantled, was easily one of the world's biggest.
It spread to more than 190 countries, according to researchers.
It also appears to be far more sophisticated than the botnet that was used to hack into Google Inc. and other companies in the attack that led Google to threaten to pull out of China.
" ----- Wait, what?
This was written by the AP's "technology writer".
I guess he doesn't read /.?
The Google attack was not a botnet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345802</id>
	<title>FCC Rules Part 68</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267632900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could be argued that attaching a pc without adequate AV software would violate FCC Rules Part 68. So why doesn't the government start an AD campaign to get people to use good AV and stop these botnets?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could be argued that attaching a pc without adequate AV software would violate FCC Rules Part 68 .
So why does n't the government start an AD campaign to get people to use good AV and stop these botnets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could be argued that attaching a pc without adequate AV software would violate FCC Rules Part 68.
So why doesn't the government start an AD campaign to get people to use good AV and stop these botnets?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344484</id>
	<title>plus 5, 7roll)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lay doCwn paPer</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lay doCwn paPer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lay doCwn paPer</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346142</id>
	<title>At Least The Group At Georgia Tech Gets It</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1267634520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've heard of this group before.  They are one of the few who actually understand what really needs to be done to make an impact on the spamming epidemic.  Rather than building enormous black/white lists or developing ever more CPU-intense filtering algorithms, they are actually going after the sources.  They identify where spam is actually originating - that is, the spamvertising domains, not the spamvertised domains - and figure out how to shut it down.  They are finding where the botnets and their requisite domains can be targeted and getting the work done.  And they are doing it within the confines of a civilized society, rather than the bloodthirsty mercanaries that so many people here are calling for regularly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard of this group before .
They are one of the few who actually understand what really needs to be done to make an impact on the spamming epidemic .
Rather than building enormous black/white lists or developing ever more CPU-intense filtering algorithms , they are actually going after the sources .
They identify where spam is actually originating - that is , the spamvertising domains , not the spamvertised domains - and figure out how to shut it down .
They are finding where the botnets and their requisite domains can be targeted and getting the work done .
And they are doing it within the confines of a civilized society , rather than the bloodthirsty mercanaries that so many people here are calling for regularly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard of this group before.
They are one of the few who actually understand what really needs to be done to make an impact on the spamming epidemic.
Rather than building enormous black/white lists or developing ever more CPU-intense filtering algorithms, they are actually going after the sources.
They identify where spam is actually originating - that is, the spamvertising domains, not the spamvertised domains - and figure out how to shut it down.
They are finding where the botnets and their requisite domains can be targeted and getting the work done.
And they are doing it within the confines of a civilized society, rather than the bloodthirsty mercanaries that so many people here are calling for regularly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31347044</id>
	<title>Re:Why is it so hard?</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1267638240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently you haven't been paying close attention to your spam lately.<br><br>Almost all of the advertised products are very obviously outright fraud (which is already illegal in most jurisdictions).  Most of the rest are products that would be illegal no matter how they were advertised.<br><br>There are also a few adverts for porn mixed in, but upon closer inspection most of those appear to be attempts to get people to download obvious trojans and thus join their own computer to the botnet (you know, girls-who-love-cattle.mpeg.exe and that sort of rot), and most of the rest are actually advertising 1337ized-namebrand fertility drugs.  As best I can figure, the porn industry doesn't have to send spam, because the search engines index them.<br><br>There's also a lot of spam that doesn't appear to be advertising anything at all, but I think mostly that gets sent to people on the "enemies" list:  likely sysadmin addresses (abuse, webmaster, postmaster, hostmaster, and anything found in a domain registration), plus anyone who has sent back abuse reports, complaints, or unsubscribe requests.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently you have n't been paying close attention to your spam lately.Almost all of the advertised products are very obviously outright fraud ( which is already illegal in most jurisdictions ) .
Most of the rest are products that would be illegal no matter how they were advertised.There are also a few adverts for porn mixed in , but upon closer inspection most of those appear to be attempts to get people to download obvious trojans and thus join their own computer to the botnet ( you know , girls-who-love-cattle.mpeg.exe and that sort of rot ) , and most of the rest are actually advertising 1337ized-namebrand fertility drugs .
As best I can figure , the porn industry does n't have to send spam , because the search engines index them.There 's also a lot of spam that does n't appear to be advertising anything at all , but I think mostly that gets sent to people on the " enemies " list : likely sysadmin addresses ( abuse , webmaster , postmaster , hostmaster , and anything found in a domain registration ) , plus anyone who has sent back abuse reports , complaints , or unsubscribe requests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently you haven't been paying close attention to your spam lately.Almost all of the advertised products are very obviously outright fraud (which is already illegal in most jurisdictions).
Most of the rest are products that would be illegal no matter how they were advertised.There are also a few adverts for porn mixed in, but upon closer inspection most of those appear to be attempts to get people to download obvious trojans and thus join their own computer to the botnet (you know, girls-who-love-cattle.mpeg.exe and that sort of rot), and most of the rest are actually advertising 1337ized-namebrand fertility drugs.
As best I can figure, the porn industry doesn't have to send spam, because the search engines index them.There's also a lot of spam that doesn't appear to be advertising anything at all, but I think mostly that gets sent to people on the "enemies" list:  likely sysadmin addresses (abuse, webmaster, postmaster, hostmaster, and anything found in a domain registration), plus anyone who has sent back abuse reports, complaints, or unsubscribe requests.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345058</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344474</id>
	<title>Different article/same topic</title>
	<author>moeinvt</author>
	<datestamp>1267627080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.information-age.com/channels/security-and-continuity/news/1203193/three-arrested-in-connection-to-worlds-largest-botnet.thtml" title="information-age.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.information-age.com/channels/security-and-continuity/news/1203193/three-arrested-in-connection-to-worlds-largest-botnet.thtml</a> [information-age.com]</p><p>"Mariposa was disabled in December 2009 when a working group of volunteers, some of which were security software vendors, managed to take over the 'command and control' servers that co-ordinate the network."</p><p>What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to "take over" other people's servers?  Why couldn't this be an excuse for all sorts of network intrusions?  "Oh, I thought this server was hosting malware or controlling a botnet, so I took it over with altruistic intentions".  From the story a few days ago, MS went to court in order to get Waledac shut down.  Seems like things could get tricky with jurisdictional issues as well.  Maybe the U.S. government should issue some letters of marque so that private citizens could "attack" foreign malware servers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.information-age.com/channels/security-and-continuity/news/1203193/three-arrested-in-connection-to-worlds-largest-botnet.thtml [ information-age.com ] " Mariposa was disabled in December 2009 when a working group of volunteers , some of which were security software vendors , managed to take over the 'command and control ' servers that co-ordinate the network .
" What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to " take over " other people 's servers ?
Why could n't this be an excuse for all sorts of network intrusions ?
" Oh , I thought this server was hosting malware or controlling a botnet , so I took it over with altruistic intentions " .
From the story a few days ago , MS went to court in order to get Waledac shut down .
Seems like things could get tricky with jurisdictional issues as well .
Maybe the U.S. government should issue some letters of marque so that private citizens could " attack " foreign malware servers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.information-age.com/channels/security-and-continuity/news/1203193/three-arrested-in-connection-to-worlds-largest-botnet.thtml [information-age.com]"Mariposa was disabled in December 2009 when a working group of volunteers, some of which were security software vendors, managed to take over the 'command and control' servers that co-ordinate the network.
"What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to "take over" other people's servers?
Why couldn't this be an excuse for all sorts of network intrusions?
"Oh, I thought this server was hosting malware or controlling a botnet, so I took it over with altruistic intentions".
From the story a few days ago, MS went to court in order to get Waledac shut down.
Seems like things could get tricky with jurisdictional issues as well.
Maybe the U.S. government should issue some letters of marque so that private citizens could "attack" foreign malware servers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344860</id>
	<title>the door smashes open and</title>
	<author>archangel9</author>
	<datestamp>1267629000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"NOOObody expected the Spanish ISPs to cooperate!" - Cardinal Xim&#233;nez</htmltext>
<tokenext>" NOOObody expected the Spanish ISPs to cooperate !
" - Cardinal Xim   nez</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"NOOObody expected the Spanish ISPs to cooperate!
" - Cardinal Ximénez</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344806</id>
	<title>That's some summary!</title>
	<author>spammeister</author>
	<datestamp>1267628760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes you can just tell it's a kdawson submission. I would like to see a summary of the summary now please!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes you can just tell it 's a kdawson submission .
I would like to see a summary of the summary now please !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes you can just tell it's a kdawson submission.
I would like to see a summary of the summary now please!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346254</id>
	<title>Re:Pentalty for 12 million botnet = 6 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267635000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you really think that's the reason botnets thrive? Really?. And all that time I though that the reason was that it is easy and makes the perpetrators earn good money... How misleaded I was...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really think that 's the reason botnets thrive ?
Really ? . And all that time I though that the reason was that it is easy and makes the perpetrators earn good money... How misleaded I was.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think that's the reason botnets thrive?
Really?. And all that time I though that the reason was that it is easy and makes the perpetrators earn good money... How misleaded I was...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345456</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344828</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267628880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.</p></div><p>I wasn't expecting that...</p></div><p>No one ever does.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.I was n't expecting that...No one ever does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.I wasn't expecting that...No one ever does.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344520</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344972</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1267629540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Botnets are stolen and restolen fairly often between groups. Makes sense when you think about it, it's easier to use the sheep army of someone else than building your own. He probably assumed that it was just another group taking over his botnet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Botnets are stolen and restolen fairly often between groups .
Makes sense when you think about it , it 's easier to use the sheep army of someone else than building your own .
He probably assumed that it was just another group taking over his botnet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Botnets are stolen and restolen fairly often between groups.
Makes sense when you think about it, it's easier to use the sheep army of someone else than building your own.
He probably assumed that it was just another group taking over his botnet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344568</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344752</id>
	<title>Offtopic, but relevant..</title>
	<author>Archon-X</author>
	<datestamp>1267628460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'How quaint' that you're innocent until proven guilty?<br>Am I the only one that is getting tired more and more frequently by juvenile editorial quips?</p><p>I used to come here for impartial, to the minute news - neither of which seem to exist in any great quantity anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'How quaint ' that you 're innocent until proven guilty ? Am I the only one that is getting tired more and more frequently by juvenile editorial quips ? I used to come here for impartial , to the minute news - neither of which seem to exist in any great quantity anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'How quaint' that you're innocent until proven guilty?Am I the only one that is getting tired more and more frequently by juvenile editorial quips?I used to come here for impartial, to the minute news - neither of which seem to exist in any great quantity anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344370</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345784</id>
	<title>Re:Why is it so hard?</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1267632840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The spamvertisers are *already* advertising and selling products illegally, such as prescription drugs without a prescription, ripped off merchandise, unauthorized copies of proprietary software etc. You don't need to make any new rules, just prosecute the spamvertisers for the laws they already break. The reason these businesses are using spammers to advertise is precisely because what they are doing is already illegal and therefore they cannot use the normal legal advertising channels to hawk their wares.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The spamvertisers are * already * advertising and selling products illegally , such as prescription drugs without a prescription , ripped off merchandise , unauthorized copies of proprietary software etc .
You do n't need to make any new rules , just prosecute the spamvertisers for the laws they already break .
The reason these businesses are using spammers to advertise is precisely because what they are doing is already illegal and therefore they can not use the normal legal advertising channels to hawk their wares .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The spamvertisers are *already* advertising and selling products illegally, such as prescription drugs without a prescription, ripped off merchandise, unauthorized copies of proprietary software etc.
You don't need to make any new rules, just prosecute the spamvertisers for the laws they already break.
The reason these businesses are using spammers to advertise is precisely because what they are doing is already illegal and therefore they cannot use the normal legal advertising channels to hawk their wares.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346088</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267634220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, unless of course people remembers you for what you were accused instead of your innocence, which is something that tends to happen a lot. People remembers better bad things about you than good things, unless you're a politician, in which case, for some reason, people tend to forgive and forget. Bummer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , unless of course people remembers you for what you were accused instead of your innocence , which is something that tends to happen a lot .
People remembers better bad things about you than good things , unless you 're a politician , in which case , for some reason , people tend to forgive and forget .
Bummer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, unless of course people remembers you for what you were accused instead of your innocence, which is something that tends to happen a lot.
People remembers better bad things about you than good things, unless you're a politician, in which case, for some reason, people tend to forgive and forget.
Bummer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344670</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267628100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Learn to spell "rogue", for fuck's sake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Learn to spell " rogue " , for fuck 's sake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Learn to spell "rogue", for fuck's sake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345798</id>
	<title>More info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267632900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From a Spanish newspaper:</p><p>http://www.elpais.com/articulo/tecnologia/Cae/red/cibercriminal/Mariposa/controlaba/millones/ordenadores/zombis/190/paises/elpepusoc/20100302elpeputec\_8/Tes</p><p>They controlled 13 million of IP's and personal data of 800,000 people, which they used to sell to third parties. To mask the money income, they engaged in online poker games where they lost intentionally, but they never paid.<br>They used a system to hide their IP's until one of them forgot to use it.</p><p>Their names are protected, but not their initials and alias:</p><p>Name.Surname1.Surname2. (age) "alias" (place)</p><p>F.C.R. (31 yo) "Netkairo" / "Hamlet1917"  (Balmaseda, near Bilbao)<br>J. B. R. (25 yo) "Ostiator" (Santiago de Compostela, La Coru&#241;a)<br>J.P.R. (30 yo) "Johny Loleante" (Molina de Segura, Murcia)</p><p>Also they didn't make the botnet. They bought it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From a Spanish newspaper : http : //www.elpais.com/articulo/tecnologia/Cae/red/cibercriminal/Mariposa/controlaba/millones/ordenadores/zombis/190/paises/elpepusoc/20100302elpeputec \ _8/TesThey controlled 13 million of IP 's and personal data of 800,000 people , which they used to sell to third parties .
To mask the money income , they engaged in online poker games where they lost intentionally , but they never paid.They used a system to hide their IP 's until one of them forgot to use it.Their names are protected , but not their initials and alias : Name.Surname1.Surname2 .
( age ) " alias " ( place ) F.C.R .
( 31 yo ) " Netkairo " / " Hamlet1917 " ( Balmaseda , near Bilbao ) J. B. R. ( 25 yo ) " Ostiator " ( Santiago de Compostela , La Coru   a ) J.P.R .
( 30 yo ) " Johny Loleante " ( Molina de Segura , Murcia ) Also they did n't make the botnet .
They bought it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a Spanish newspaper:http://www.elpais.com/articulo/tecnologia/Cae/red/cibercriminal/Mariposa/controlaba/millones/ordenadores/zombis/190/paises/elpepusoc/20100302elpeputec\_8/TesThey controlled 13 million of IP's and personal data of 800,000 people, which they used to sell to third parties.
To mask the money income, they engaged in online poker games where they lost intentionally, but they never paid.They used a system to hide their IP's until one of them forgot to use it.Their names are protected, but not their initials and alias:Name.Surname1.Surname2.
(age) "alias" (place)F.C.R.
(31 yo) "Netkairo" / "Hamlet1917"  (Balmaseda, near Bilbao)J. B. R. (25 yo) "Ostiator" (Santiago de Compostela, La Coruña)J.P.R.
(30 yo) "Johny Loleante" (Molina de Segura, Murcia)Also they didn't make the botnet.
They bought it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31347236</id>
	<title>Re:Why is it so hard?</title>
	<author>CSMatt</author>
	<datestamp>1267638960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how do you know that the businesses being advertised actually condoned the spamming, much less encouraged it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how do you know that the businesses being advertised actually condoned the spamming , much less encouraged it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how do you know that the businesses being advertised actually condoned the spamming, much less encouraged it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344944</id>
	<title>Re:Different article/same topic</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1267629420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our law. When I am aware of a crime happening, I have to stop it if it is in my power (without endangering me or anyone else) or call the police. Not doing either would make me an accomplice.</p><p>In other words, I pretty much have to take over those servers and shut them down or hand them over to the relevant authorities, or face criminal charges myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our law .
When I am aware of a crime happening , I have to stop it if it is in my power ( without endangering me or anyone else ) or call the police .
Not doing either would make me an accomplice.In other words , I pretty much have to take over those servers and shut them down or hand them over to the relevant authorities , or face criminal charges myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our law.
When I am aware of a crime happening, I have to stop it if it is in my power (without endangering me or anyone else) or call the police.
Not doing either would make me an accomplice.In other words, I pretty much have to take over those servers and shut them down or hand them over to the relevant authorities, or face criminal charges myself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344474</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344230</id>
	<title>Another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267625880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another one bites the dust...</p><p>Good for them, but I still don't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail. Gotta keep working at it, guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another one bites the dust...Good for them , but I still do n't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail .
Got ta keep working at it , guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another one bites the dust...Good for them, but I still don't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail.
Gotta keep working at it, guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31347836</id>
	<title>Re:W32.Pilleuz</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1267641720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't they have a Linux version? Why must I run everything under wine? This is why Linux will never get a very large share of the market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't they have a Linux version ?
Why must I run everything under wine ?
This is why Linux will never get a very large share of the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't they have a Linux version?
Why must I run everything under wine?
This is why Linux will never get a very large share of the market.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344454</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344370</id>
	<title>apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>captainpanic</author>
	<datestamp>1267626600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy</p></div><p>That's because in Spain you're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law. The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.</p><p>What country <i>doesn't</i> protect its accused in the 21st century?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : how quaint : apparently in Spain , the accused have some right to privacyThat 's because in Spain you 're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law .
The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.What country does n't protect its accused in the 21st century ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacyThat's because in Spain you're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law.
The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.What country doesn't protect its accused in the 21st century?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344966</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1267629480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course you weren't. They are ruthlessly efficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course you were n't .
They are ruthlessly efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course you weren't.
They are ruthlessly efficient.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344520</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31347948</id>
	<title>Re:Different article/same topic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267642260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to "take over" other people's servers?</i></p><p>I see you favor spam, spammers, and spam rights.</p><p>You sir have just been foe listed by hundreds of people who now think, or rather have your own admission of, actively being against stopping spam.</p><p>Enjoy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to " take over " other people 's servers ? I see you favor spam , spammers , and spam rights.You sir have just been foe listed by hundreds of people who now think , or rather have your own admission of , actively being against stopping spam.Enjoy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to "take over" other people's servers?I see you favor spam, spammers, and spam rights.You sir have just been foe listed by hundreds of people who now think, or rather have your own admission of, actively being against stopping spam.Enjoy!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344474</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346684</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1267636860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; &gt; how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy<br><br>&gt; That's because in Spain you're not guilty<br>&gt; until proven guilty by a court of law.<br><br>Yeah, rules restricting what the news media can and cannot publish, with regard to ongoing criminal prosecution, obviously don't have anything to do with free speech or free press.  It's all about presumed innocence.  Clearly the right to a private trial is the most important right in a free society.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; how quaint : apparently in Spain , the accused have some right to privacy &gt; That 's because in Spain you 're not guilty &gt; until proven guilty by a court of law.Yeah , rules restricting what the news media can and can not publish , with regard to ongoing criminal prosecution , obviously do n't have anything to do with free speech or free press .
It 's all about presumed innocence .
Clearly the right to a private trial is the most important right in a free society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; &gt; how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy&gt; That's because in Spain you're not guilty&gt; until proven guilty by a court of law.Yeah, rules restricting what the news media can and cannot publish, with regard to ongoing criminal prosecution, obviously don't have anything to do with free speech or free press.
It's all about presumed innocence.
Clearly the right to a private trial is the most important right in a free society.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346402</id>
	<title>Re:Pentalty for 12 million botnet = 6 years</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1267635600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean death penalty for writting a program? Is not murder, is not physically attack them to steal, its not even looking at pictures of naked children, probably the vast majority of them ever noticed that they had that installed. And the biggest component of the attack was getting thru a floor level big size window that the house maker left open so the owners could feel some air, they were practically invited to get in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean death penalty for writting a program ?
Is not murder , is not physically attack them to steal , its not even looking at pictures of naked children , probably the vast majority of them ever noticed that they had that installed .
And the biggest component of the attack was getting thru a floor level big size window that the house maker left open so the owners could feel some air , they were practically invited to get in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean death penalty for writting a program?
Is not murder, is not physically attack them to steal, its not even looking at pictures of naked children, probably the vast majority of them ever noticed that they had that installed.
And the biggest component of the attack was getting thru a floor level big size window that the house maker left open so the owners could feel some air, they were practically invited to get in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345456</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344882</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267629120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you prefer being arrested and imprisoned without the public or anyone else being aware of it. Law enforcement transparency is the first defense against tyranny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you prefer being arrested and imprisoned without the public or anyone else being aware of it .
Law enforcement transparency is the first defense against tyranny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you prefer being arrested and imprisoned without the public or anyone else being aware of it.
Law enforcement transparency is the first defense against tyranny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31350120</id>
	<title>Re:Another...</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1267609320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You won't see a reduction until the ISPs start to be accountable for their users.</p></div><p>You're quite right, but I assume you aren't positioning that as a good idea (I will give you the benefit of a doubt).</p><p>The more we consider and treat ISPs as common carriers - and yes, I know this is a grey area - the safer we users of content will be.  If ISPs become accountable for their users, then the regulators will step in and determine just exactly how those accounts should be drawn up.  And I, for one, would not salute our new robotic overlords.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You wo n't see a reduction until the ISPs start to be accountable for their users.You 're quite right , but I assume you are n't positioning that as a good idea ( I will give you the benefit of a doubt ) .The more we consider and treat ISPs as common carriers - and yes , I know this is a grey area - the safer we users of content will be .
If ISPs become accountable for their users , then the regulators will step in and determine just exactly how those accounts should be drawn up .
And I , for one , would not salute our new robotic overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You won't see a reduction until the ISPs start to be accountable for their users.You're quite right, but I assume you aren't positioning that as a good idea (I will give you the benefit of a doubt).The more we consider and treat ISPs as common carriers - and yes, I know this is a grey area - the safer we users of content will be.
If ISPs become accountable for their users, then the regulators will step in and determine just exactly how those accounts should be drawn up.
And I, for one, would not salute our new robotic overlords.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344790</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344654</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"If I ever had to 'go rouge' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras."</i>
<br> <br>
You'd probably still be caught red-handed, though...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" If I ever had to 'go rouge ' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras .
" You 'd probably still be caught red-handed , though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If I ever had to 'go rouge' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras.
"
 
You'd probably still be caught red-handed, though...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344568</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344444</id>
	<title>Re:Another...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267626960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Another one bites the dust...</p><p>Good for them, but I still don't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail. Gotta keep working at it, guys.</p></div><p>Whenever I'm asked about spam emails and the products offered, I'm lightly hesitant to say that it's a scam because I'm afraid of lawsuits (*that I can't afford to defend myself against) from the one business that may be legitimate or close to a legitimate one. Now, I'm quite a bit more confident that all spam is a scam.</p><p>* Several years ago there was this online retailer that sold pet supplies - I can't find a reference - who sued anyone and everyone who said anything bad about him or his business. Many people settled out of court for thousands of dollars. The owner of said firm ended up stiffing his lawyers - Old Buddhist saying: "Opportunity knocks. Karma hunts you down."  - talking about the lawyers who represented the owner.</p><p>Of course privately, one on one, when some asks, my response is that no legitimate business use spam email. Then I'll get the question occasionally "Well, my bank sends me emails and they're legitimate!" Then I have to go and explain notices of closings is one thing but also it could be a phishing expedition. Then you get the old people who get so afraid that they won't even use email for anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another one bites the dust...Good for them , but I still do n't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail .
Got ta keep working at it , guys.Whenever I 'm asked about spam emails and the products offered , I 'm lightly hesitant to say that it 's a scam because I 'm afraid of lawsuits ( * that I ca n't afford to defend myself against ) from the one business that may be legitimate or close to a legitimate one .
Now , I 'm quite a bit more confident that all spam is a scam .
* Several years ago there was this online retailer that sold pet supplies - I ca n't find a reference - who sued anyone and everyone who said anything bad about him or his business .
Many people settled out of court for thousands of dollars .
The owner of said firm ended up stiffing his lawyers - Old Buddhist saying : " Opportunity knocks .
Karma hunts you down .
" - talking about the lawyers who represented the owner.Of course privately , one on one , when some asks , my response is that no legitimate business use spam email .
Then I 'll get the question occasionally " Well , my bank sends me emails and they 're legitimate !
" Then I have to go and explain notices of closings is one thing but also it could be a phishing expedition .
Then you get the old people who get so afraid that they wo n't even use email for anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another one bites the dust...Good for them, but I still don't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail.
Gotta keep working at it, guys.Whenever I'm asked about spam emails and the products offered, I'm lightly hesitant to say that it's a scam because I'm afraid of lawsuits (*that I can't afford to defend myself against) from the one business that may be legitimate or close to a legitimate one.
Now, I'm quite a bit more confident that all spam is a scam.
* Several years ago there was this online retailer that sold pet supplies - I can't find a reference - who sued anyone and everyone who said anything bad about him or his business.
Many people settled out of court for thousands of dollars.
The owner of said firm ended up stiffing his lawyers - Old Buddhist saying: "Opportunity knocks.
Karma hunts you down.
"  - talking about the lawyers who represented the owner.Of course privately, one on one, when some asks, my response is that no legitimate business use spam email.
Then I'll get the question occasionally "Well, my bank sends me emails and they're legitimate!
" Then I have to go and explain notices of closings is one thing but also it could be a phishing expedition.
Then you get the old people who get so afraid that they won't even use email for anything.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344774</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1267628640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the U.S. press, it would be portrayed as:<br>
"Three <i>alleged</i> <b>EVIL HACKERS</b> were arrested today for <i>allegedly</i> HACKING MILLIONS OF COMPUTERS! ZOMG!"  And then they'd go to the person's home, and knock on the door.  If no one answered, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter.  If a family member came to the door but said the accused wasn't there, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter.  If the accused were seen and questioned, but said they couldn't comment on the case, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter.  If a dog farted, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter...<br> <i>allegedly</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the U.S. press , it would be portrayed as : " Three alleged EVIL HACKERS were arrested today for allegedly HACKING MILLIONS OF COMPUTERS !
ZOMG ! " And then they 'd go to the person 's home , and knock on the door .
If no one answered , that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter .
If a family member came to the door but said the accused was n't there , that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter .
If the accused were seen and questioned , but said they could n't comment on the case , that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter .
If a dog farted , that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter... allegedly</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the U.S. press, it would be portrayed as:
"Three alleged EVIL HACKERS were arrested today for allegedly HACKING MILLIONS OF COMPUTERS!
ZOMG!"  And then they'd go to the person's home, and knock on the door.
If no one answered, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter.
If a family member came to the door but said the accused wasn't there, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter.
If the accused were seen and questioned, but said they couldn't comment on the case, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter.
If a dog farted, that would be taken as damning evidence by the reporter... allegedly</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344370</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31357114</id>
	<title>"quaint"?</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1267712820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guilty until proven innocent and all that so let's hear their names right now!</p><p>It's funny how people are quick to abolish basic rights for other people when those people might have done something they don't like. Or is it quaint, rather than funny?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guilty until proven innocent and all that so let 's hear their names right now ! It 's funny how people are quick to abolish basic rights for other people when those people might have done something they do n't like .
Or is it quaint , rather than funny ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guilty until proven innocent and all that so let's hear their names right now!It's funny how people are quick to abolish basic rights for other people when those people might have done something they don't like.
Or is it quaint, rather than funny?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31348822</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1267646400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember, in Germany you're not even allowed to use someones name in relation to the crime they committed once they've served their time. What country doesn't protect its proven guilty in the 21st century?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember , in Germany you 're not even allowed to use someones name in relation to the crime they committed once they 've served their time .
What country does n't protect its proven guilty in the 21st century ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember, in Germany you're not even allowed to use someones name in relation to the crime they committed once they've served their time.
What country doesn't protect its proven guilty in the 21st century?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344370</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344410</id>
	<title>If the botnet is down...</title>
	<author>GhigoRenzulli</author>
	<datestamp>1267626840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...they lost all their IRC channels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...they lost all their IRC channels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...they lost all their IRC channels.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31348658</id>
	<title>Let me guess</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1267645620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Here's one reason botnets thrive:</p></div></blockquote><p>The F1 key?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's one reason botnets thrive : The F1 key ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's one reason botnets thrive:The F1 key?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345456</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346444</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>newdsfornerds</author>
	<datestamp>1267635780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All rogues wear rouge. It's part of rogue culture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All rogues wear rouge .
It 's part of rogue culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All rogues wear rouge.
It's part of rogue culture.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344942</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267629420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only I had mod points, everyone seems to have missed this gem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only I had mod points , everyone seems to have missed this gem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only I had mod points, everyone seems to have missed this gem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31348012</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>pablodiazgutierrez</author>
	<datestamp>1267642620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, that's not always the case. There was a <a href="http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article\_24141.shtml" title="typicallyspanish.com">recent nasty episode</a> [typicallyspanish.com] when this guy was falsely accused of abusing and murdering his stepdaughter. It turned out in a previous hospital visit doctors had ignored evidence of severe injuries from a playground accident from which she ultimately died. Of course, nobody dared mention the negligent doctors' names, but the stepfather's face and full name were <a href="http://elblogdepangloss.blogspot.com/2009/12/el-abc-pide-disculpas-tarde-y-mal-diego.html" title="blogspot.com">front page of some major newspapers</a> [blogspot.com]. Truly disgusting in many ways. I'm glad at least sometimes they behave correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , that 's not always the case .
There was a recent nasty episode [ typicallyspanish.com ] when this guy was falsely accused of abusing and murdering his stepdaughter .
It turned out in a previous hospital visit doctors had ignored evidence of severe injuries from a playground accident from which she ultimately died .
Of course , nobody dared mention the negligent doctors ' names , but the stepfather 's face and full name were front page of some major newspapers [ blogspot.com ] .
Truly disgusting in many ways .
I 'm glad at least sometimes they behave correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, that's not always the case.
There was a recent nasty episode [typicallyspanish.com] when this guy was falsely accused of abusing and murdering his stepdaughter.
It turned out in a previous hospital visit doctors had ignored evidence of severe injuries from a playground accident from which she ultimately died.
Of course, nobody dared mention the negligent doctors' names, but the stepfather's face and full name were front page of some major newspapers [blogspot.com].
Truly disgusting in many ways.
I'm glad at least sometimes they behave correctly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344370</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344740</id>
	<title>Re:isp's cooperating</title>
	<author>Nos.</author>
	<datestamp>1267628400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its called privacy.  I for one am glad that both major ISPs in the area have publicly stated that they don't give out any information without a warrant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its called privacy .
I for one am glad that both major ISPs in the area have publicly stated that they do n't give out any information without a warrant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its called privacy.
I for one am glad that both major ISPs in the area have publicly stated that they don't give out any information without a warrant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344400</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345934</id>
	<title>Quaint?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267633500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>(how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy)</i></p><p>Huh? Isn't that how it works in most of the world? You know, the whole "innocent-until-proven-guilty" thing. Habeas data!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( how quaint : apparently in Spain , the accused have some right to privacy ) Huh ?
Is n't that how it works in most of the world ?
You know , the whole " innocent-until-proven-guilty " thing .
Habeas data !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy)Huh?
Isn't that how it works in most of the world?
You know, the whole "innocent-until-proven-guilty" thing.
Habeas data!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31347824</id>
	<title>Re:Offtopic, but relevant..</title>
	<author>metlin</author>
	<datestamp>1267641660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it is kdawson -- what were you expecting? Just be thankful that he's better than jon katz or michael.</p><p>Anyway, back to the topic at hand -- all these creators of botnets and worms need deterring sentences. Having had to just replace a hard drive and having lost a lot of data because of a recent infection (despite backups), I have the overwhelming urge to shove these bastards into the electric chair. But since we're civilized, we'll settle for hours of lost productivity and psychological damage, and give them a few hundred years instead.</p><p>If someone broke into your house and settled in, and had access to all your stuff without your permission, you throw them into jail. Well, if you had a botnet of a million computers, you broke into a million personal houses. Sum it all up, baby.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it is kdawson -- what were you expecting ?
Just be thankful that he 's better than jon katz or michael.Anyway , back to the topic at hand -- all these creators of botnets and worms need deterring sentences .
Having had to just replace a hard drive and having lost a lot of data because of a recent infection ( despite backups ) , I have the overwhelming urge to shove these bastards into the electric chair .
But since we 're civilized , we 'll settle for hours of lost productivity and psychological damage , and give them a few hundred years instead.If someone broke into your house and settled in , and had access to all your stuff without your permission , you throw them into jail .
Well , if you had a botnet of a million computers , you broke into a million personal houses .
Sum it all up , baby .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it is kdawson -- what were you expecting?
Just be thankful that he's better than jon katz or michael.Anyway, back to the topic at hand -- all these creators of botnets and worms need deterring sentences.
Having had to just replace a hard drive and having lost a lot of data because of a recent infection (despite backups), I have the overwhelming urge to shove these bastards into the electric chair.
But since we're civilized, we'll settle for hours of lost productivity and psychological damage, and give them a few hundred years instead.If someone broke into your house and settled in, and had access to all your stuff without your permission, you throw them into jail.
Well, if you had a botnet of a million computers, you broke into a million personal houses.
Sum it all up, baby.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344648</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah I love to 'go rogue'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah I love to 'go rogue' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah I love to 'go rogue'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344568</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31416348</id>
	<title>Re:Offtopic, but relevant..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268160360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>pretty sure the 'how quaint' quip was somewhere in the sarcasm/irony/humor range..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>pretty sure the 'how quaint ' quip was somewhere in the sarcasm/irony/humor range. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pretty sure the 'how quaint' quip was somewhere in the sarcasm/irony/humor range..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344406</id>
	<title>Like the drug war</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1267626840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All these stories remind me of the war on drugs.  Every so often, the government nabs a big drug gang, and they have some impressive sounding stats and a PR photo with as much loot spread out as possible "this cache had a street value of 8 billion dollars", with of course all the guns and other stuff lined up, and, yet, the price of drugs on the street continues to fall, people are still running out of emergency rooms with iv's inserted so they can mainline... this whole sorry truth is that you can't expect the gov't to really defend your computer any more than it can defend your house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All these stories remind me of the war on drugs .
Every so often , the government nabs a big drug gang , and they have some impressive sounding stats and a PR photo with as much loot spread out as possible " this cache had a street value of 8 billion dollars " , with of course all the guns and other stuff lined up , and , yet , the price of drugs on the street continues to fall , people are still running out of emergency rooms with iv 's inserted so they can mainline... this whole sorry truth is that you ca n't expect the gov't to really defend your computer any more than it can defend your house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All these stories remind me of the war on drugs.
Every so often, the government nabs a big drug gang, and they have some impressive sounding stats and a PR photo with as much loot spread out as possible "this cache had a street value of 8 billion dollars", with of course all the guns and other stuff lined up, and, yet, the price of drugs on the street continues to fall, people are still running out of emergency rooms with iv's inserted so they can mainline... this whole sorry truth is that you can't expect the gov't to really defend your computer any more than it can defend your house.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31348278</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>nanoakron</author>
	<datestamp>1267643760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always loved the US idea of declaring someone to be a juvenile, yet trying them as an adult in order to get a harsher punishment.</p><p>Either someone is a juvenile or they aren't...and if you try a 16 year-old as an adult and they are acquitted, does that mean they can now drink and drive like an adult as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always loved the US idea of declaring someone to be a juvenile , yet trying them as an adult in order to get a harsher punishment.Either someone is a juvenile or they are n't...and if you try a 16 year-old as an adult and they are acquitted , does that mean they can now drink and drive like an adult as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always loved the US idea of declaring someone to be a juvenile, yet trying them as an adult in order to get a harsher punishment.Either someone is a juvenile or they aren't...and if you try a 16 year-old as an adult and they are acquitted, does that mean they can now drink and drive like an adult as well?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344802</id>
	<title>Re:Different article/same topic</title>
	<author>FyRE666</author>
	<datestamp>1267628760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to "take over" other people's servers?"</p><p>The same authority I have to "take over" someones car keys if I see them staggering out of a bar, and fumbling around to find the lock on their door while throwing up all over the hood. If you're acutely aware, and certain, that your non-action is allowing an illegal activity to take place then why not intervene? The problem today is that too many people just stand there like idiots doing nothing in the face of evil or criminal activity. The fact the servers these shitbags were using were probably compromised, or funded by illegal activities is neither here nor there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to " take over " other people 's servers ?
" The same authority I have to " take over " someones car keys if I see them staggering out of a bar , and fumbling around to find the lock on their door while throwing up all over the hood .
If you 're acutely aware , and certain , that your non-action is allowing an illegal activity to take place then why not intervene ?
The problem today is that too many people just stand there like idiots doing nothing in the face of evil or criminal activity .
The fact the servers these shitbags were using were probably compromised , or funded by illegal activities is neither here nor there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What gives these bloody do-gooders the authority to "take over" other people's servers?
"The same authority I have to "take over" someones car keys if I see them staggering out of a bar, and fumbling around to find the lock on their door while throwing up all over the hood.
If you're acutely aware, and certain, that your non-action is allowing an illegal activity to take place then why not intervene?
The problem today is that too many people just stand there like idiots doing nothing in the face of evil or criminal activity.
The fact the servers these shitbags were using were probably compromised, or funded by illegal activities is neither here nor there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344474</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344578</id>
	<title>Re:isp's cooperating</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the same reason you dont want ISPs to cooperate with the RIAA.</p><p>Because someone says a IP address is doing something they consider bad, doesn't mean the ISP should automatically jump. Yes, in this particular case it sucks, but if you want privacy you have to take the downside with the upside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the same reason you dont want ISPs to cooperate with the RIAA.Because someone says a IP address is doing something they consider bad , does n't mean the ISP should automatically jump .
Yes , in this particular case it sucks , but if you want privacy you have to take the downside with the upside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the same reason you dont want ISPs to cooperate with the RIAA.Because someone says a IP address is doing something they consider bad, doesn't mean the ISP should automatically jump.
Yes, in this particular case it sucks, but if you want privacy you have to take the downside with the upside.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344400</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31353428</id>
	<title>Re:Another...</title>
	<author>tqk</author>
	<datestamp>1267628280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Good for them, but I still don't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail. Gotta keep working at it, guys.</p></div></blockquote><p>You're doin' it wrong.  procmail + bogofilter (on Debian Linux), and I see four spam a day (which land in spam folder).  I see six spam a year in my inbox.  Everything else is &gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/null.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for them , but I still do n't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail .
Got ta keep working at it , guys.You 're doin ' it wrong .
procmail + bogofilter ( on Debian Linux ) , and I see four spam a day ( which land in spam folder ) .
I see six spam a year in my inbox .
Everything else is &gt; /dev/null .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for them, but I still don't see a noticeable reduction in my spam mail.
Gotta keep working at it, guys.You're doin' it wrong.
procmail + bogofilter (on Debian Linux), and I see four spam a day (which land in spam folder).
I see six spam a year in my inbox.
Everything else is &gt; /dev/null.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344230</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31348854</id>
	<title>Panda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267646580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary mentions some Spanish Authorities but then talks about Panda Software, which is a private company, owned by scientologists by the way.</p><p>Guess I'll have to RTFA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary mentions some Spanish Authorities but then talks about Panda Software , which is a private company , owned by scientologists by the way.Guess I 'll have to RTFA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary mentions some Spanish Authorities but then talks about Panda Software, which is a private company, owned by scientologists by the way.Guess I'll have to RTFA</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344260</id>
	<title>w00t</title>
	<author>Daryen</author>
	<datestamp>1267626000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know it's just one botnet of many, but stories like this make me smile anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's just one botnet of many , but stories like this make me smile anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's just one botnet of many, but stories like this make me smile anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345976</id>
	<title>Re:Different article/same topic</title>
	<author>Dumnezeu</author>
	<datestamp>1267633680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you're acutely aware, and certain, that your non-action is allowing an illegal activity to take place then why not intervene?</p></div><p>Because, in some parts of the world you are accused of conspiracy for just allowing an illegal activity to take place if you or your property were in any way involved even if you were not aware, while in other parts of the world it is strictly prohibited to do anything about it except call the police. In many places, if you see someone raping a child, the only action you are allowed to make is call the police. If you try to help the child, you may go to prison as well, because whatever happened was... none of <i>your</i> business. Both of these "rules" are democratic countries.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're acutely aware , and certain , that your non-action is allowing an illegal activity to take place then why not intervene ? Because , in some parts of the world you are accused of conspiracy for just allowing an illegal activity to take place if you or your property were in any way involved even if you were not aware , while in other parts of the world it is strictly prohibited to do anything about it except call the police .
In many places , if you see someone raping a child , the only action you are allowed to make is call the police .
If you try to help the child , you may go to prison as well , because whatever happened was... none of your business .
Both of these " rules " are democratic countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're acutely aware, and certain, that your non-action is allowing an illegal activity to take place then why not intervene?Because, in some parts of the world you are accused of conspiracy for just allowing an illegal activity to take place if you or your property were in any way involved even if you were not aware, while in other parts of the world it is strictly prohibited to do anything about it except call the police.
In many places, if you see someone raping a child, the only action you are allowed to make is call the police.
If you try to help the child, you may go to prison as well, because whatever happened was... none of your business.
Both of these "rules" are democratic countries.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31347170</id>
	<title>Re:W32.Pilleuz</title>
	<author>CSMatt</author>
	<datestamp>1267638720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never thought I'd see modern malware that ran on Windows 95, 98, or ME.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never thought I 'd see modern malware that ran on Windows 95 , 98 , or ME .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never thought I'd see modern malware that ran on Windows 95, 98, or ME.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344568</id>
	<title>Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>228e2</author>
	<datestamp>1267627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FTA<blockquote><div><p>Critically, one suspect also made direct connections from his own computer to try and reclaim control of his botnet after authorities took it down around Christmas. Investigators were able to identify him based on that traffic. They were able to back up their claims with records from domains he registered where he would eventually host malicious content.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I feel like some criminals are just stupid . . I mean really? You do all this stuff from your home computer? If I ever had to 'go rouge' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras. Hell, I may even use repeatedly use someone elses computer just to further shed the blame.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTACritically , one suspect also made direct connections from his own computer to try and reclaim control of his botnet after authorities took it down around Christmas .
Investigators were able to identify him based on that traffic .
They were able to back up their claims with records from domains he registered where he would eventually host malicious content .
I feel like some criminals are just stupid .
. I mean really ?
You do all this stuff from your home computer ?
If I ever had to 'go rouge ' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras .
Hell , I may even use repeatedly use someone elses computer just to further shed the blame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTACritically, one suspect also made direct connections from his own computer to try and reclaim control of his botnet after authorities took it down around Christmas.
Investigators were able to identify him based on that traffic.
They were able to back up their claims with records from domains he registered where he would eventually host malicious content.
I feel like some criminals are just stupid .
. I mean really?
You do all this stuff from your home computer?
If I ever had to 'go rouge' I feel that I could last for years just off of common sense alone by using different public computers in a place with no cameras.
Hell, I may even use repeatedly use someone elses computer just to further shed the blame.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346084</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>tunapez</author>
	<datestamp>1267634220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Errm... where's the frightening headline?</p><p><b> <i>SUPER NET ZOMBIE SMASH-DOWN HACK-MAGEDDON!!!!!</i> </b></p><p>Roll the foreboding theme music. Cue the Burger Despot "L337 Hakzor Happy Meal" promo in... 3...2...1...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Errm... where 's the frightening headline ?
SUPER NET ZOMBIE SMASH-DOWN HACK-MAGEDDON ! ! ! ! !
Roll the foreboding theme music .
Cue the Burger Despot " L337 Hakzor Happy Meal " promo in... 3...2...1.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Errm... where's the frightening headline?
SUPER NET ZOMBIE SMASH-DOWN HACK-MAGEDDON!!!!!
Roll the foreboding theme music.
Cue the Burger Despot "L337 Hakzor Happy Meal" promo in... 3...2...1...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346098</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Martin Blank</author>
	<datestamp>1267634280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their records can be <i>sealed</i> when they turn 18, not expunged.  An expunged record means that it never happened in the eyes of the court, no exceptions.  A sealed record means that it <i>legally</i> never happened, though there are exceptions.  A petition must be made to the court (at least in some states) to seal the records, and they are then available only in very limited circumstances.  The court may deny the petition, and certain serious crimes (murder, arson, carjacking, etc.) are not eligible for seal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their records can be sealed when they turn 18 , not expunged .
An expunged record means that it never happened in the eyes of the court , no exceptions .
A sealed record means that it legally never happened , though there are exceptions .
A petition must be made to the court ( at least in some states ) to seal the records , and they are then available only in very limited circumstances .
The court may deny the petition , and certain serious crimes ( murder , arson , carjacking , etc .
) are not eligible for seal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their records can be sealed when they turn 18, not expunged.
An expunged record means that it never happened in the eyes of the court, no exceptions.
A sealed record means that it legally never happened, though there are exceptions.
A petition must be made to the court (at least in some states) to seal the records, and they are then available only in very limited circumstances.
The court may deny the petition, and certain serious crimes (murder, arson, carjacking, etc.
) are not eligible for seal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344520</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.</p></div><p>I wasn't expecting that...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.I was n't expecting that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.I wasn't expecting that...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346690</id>
	<title>Excellent</title>
	<author>MikeURL</author>
	<datestamp>1267636860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is nice to see a long-standing problem start to get some serious worldwide attention.  The absurdity of Higher Ed researchers taking down botnets only to put them back up for fear of lawsuits was getting way too surreal.
<br> <br>
We're finally hearing reports about ISPs, governments and others (hi Microsoft) starting to at least think seriously about not letting botnets rampage unchecked.  it is WAY overdue but I'm not one to bitch about something being late--I'm just glad to see it finally happening.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is nice to see a long-standing problem start to get some serious worldwide attention .
The absurdity of Higher Ed researchers taking down botnets only to put them back up for fear of lawsuits was getting way too surreal .
We 're finally hearing reports about ISPs , governments and others ( hi Microsoft ) starting to at least think seriously about not letting botnets rampage unchecked .
it is WAY overdue but I 'm not one to bitch about something being late--I 'm just glad to see it finally happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is nice to see a long-standing problem start to get some serious worldwide attention.
The absurdity of Higher Ed researchers taking down botnets only to put them back up for fear of lawsuits was getting way too surreal.
We're finally hearing reports about ISPs, governments and others (hi Microsoft) starting to at least think seriously about not letting botnets rampage unchecked.
it is WAY overdue but I'm not one to bitch about something being late--I'm just glad to see it finally happening.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345094</id>
	<title>If ISPs helped...</title>
	<author>Nicopa</author>
	<datestamp>1267630020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If ISP helped authorities on these things, there wouldn't be botnets, nor spam. Many attempts at preventing spam stop at their refusal to help. It would be nice to force them by lay to cooperate with spam fighting efforts. Sadly laws to force them to cooperate fighting "piracy" seem to pass easier..... =/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If ISP helped authorities on these things , there would n't be botnets , nor spam .
Many attempts at preventing spam stop at their refusal to help .
It would be nice to force them by lay to cooperate with spam fighting efforts .
Sadly laws to force them to cooperate fighting " piracy " seem to pass easier..... = /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If ISP helped authorities on these things, there wouldn't be botnets, nor spam.
Many attempts at preventing spam stop at their refusal to help.
It would be nice to force them by lay to cooperate with spam fighting efforts.
Sadly laws to force them to cooperate fighting "piracy" seem to pass easier..... =/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345098</id>
	<title>Georgia Tech</title>
	<author>gtarget</author>
	<datestamp>1267630020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1 For Georgia Tech!!
go jackets!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 For Georgia Tech ! !
go jackets !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 For Georgia Tech!!
go jackets!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31370296</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267801020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacy</p></div><p>That's because in Spain you're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law. The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.</p><p>What country <i>doesn't</i> protect its accused in the 21st century?</p></div><p>Oh - in most countries they do - more than the victims in most cases...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : how quaint : apparently in Spain , the accused have some right to privacyThat 's because in Spain you 're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law .
The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.What country does n't protect its accused in the 21st century ? Oh - in most countries they do - more than the victims in most cases.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:how quaint: apparently in Spain, the accused have some right to privacyThat's because in Spain you're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law.
The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.What country doesn't protect its accused in the 21st century?Oh - in most countries they do - more than the victims in most cases...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345084</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267629960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's because in Spain you're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law. The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.</p><p>What country <i>doesn't</i> protect its accused in the 21st century?</p></div><p>Then again, it's a perfect way for nobody to ever know that you got arrested.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Or the way we say it here: get eaten by dark. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because in Spain you 're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law .
The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.What country does n't protect its accused in the 21st century ? Then again , it 's a perfect way for nobody to ever know that you got arrested .
: ) Or the way we say it here : get eaten by dark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because in Spain you're not guilty until proven guilty by a court of law.
The days of the Spanish inquisition are over.What country doesn't protect its accused in the 21st century?Then again, it's a perfect way for nobody to ever know that you got arrested.
:)Or the way we say it here: get eaten by dark. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344454</id>
	<title>W32.Pilleuz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Discovered: September 29, 2009<br>Updated: September 30, 2009 8:32:32 AM<br>Also Known As: W32/Autorun.worm!a758e0e7 [McAfee], W32/Rimecud [McAfee], W32/Autorun-AUP [Sophos], ButterflyBot.A [Panda Software]<br>Type: Worm<br>Infection Length: 109,056 bytes<br>Systems Affected: Windows 98, Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows Me, Windows Vista, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows 2000</p><p>W32.Pilleuz is a worm that spreads through file-sharing programs, Microsoft instant messaging clients and removable drives. It also opens a back door on the compromised computer.</p><p>Currently, W32.Pilleuz has been most commonly referred to as the Mariposa or Butterfly botnet.</p></div></blockquote><p>Source: <a href="http://www.symantec.com/business/security\_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2009-093006-0442-99" title="symantec.com">http://www.symantec.com/business/security\_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2009-093006-0442-99</a> [symantec.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Discovered : September 29 , 2009Updated : September 30 , 2009 8 : 32 : 32 AMAlso Known As : W32/Autorun.worm ! a758e0e7 [ McAfee ] , W32/Rimecud [ McAfee ] , W32/Autorun-AUP [ Sophos ] , ButterflyBot.A [ Panda Software ] Type : WormInfection Length : 109,056 bytesSystems Affected : Windows 98 , Windows 95 , Windows XP , Windows Me , Windows Vista , Windows NT , Windows Server 2003 , Windows 2000W32.Pilleuz is a worm that spreads through file-sharing programs , Microsoft instant messaging clients and removable drives .
It also opens a back door on the compromised computer.Currently , W32.Pilleuz has been most commonly referred to as the Mariposa or Butterfly botnet.Source : http : //www.symantec.com/business/security \ _response/writeup.jsp ? docid = 2009-093006-0442-99 [ symantec.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Discovered: September 29, 2009Updated: September 30, 2009 8:32:32 AMAlso Known As: W32/Autorun.worm!a758e0e7 [McAfee], W32/Rimecud [McAfee], W32/Autorun-AUP [Sophos], ButterflyBot.A [Panda Software]Type: WormInfection Length: 109,056 bytesSystems Affected: Windows 98, Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows Me, Windows Vista, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows 2000W32.Pilleuz is a worm that spreads through file-sharing programs, Microsoft instant messaging clients and removable drives.
It also opens a back door on the compromised computer.Currently, W32.Pilleuz has been most commonly referred to as the Mariposa or Butterfly botnet.Source: http://www.symantec.com/business/security\_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2009-093006-0442-99 [symantec.com]
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31351532</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Gizzmonic</author>
	<datestamp>1267616100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just remember not to go *too* rouge, or people will think you're a whore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just remember not to go * too * rouge , or people will think you 're a whore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just remember not to go *too* rouge, or people will think you're a whore.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345456</id>
	<title>Pentalty for 12 million botnet = 6 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267631640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's one reason botnets thrive: In addition to the fact that the perpetrators are likely to get away with it, per <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/tech/main6259510.shtml" title="cbsnews.com">one article</a> [cbsnews.com], <i>They face up to six years in prison if convicted of hacking charges.</i>.</p><p>6 years max? For hacking 12 million computers? Ignoring the intrusions, how much did it cost the victims in labor and downtime to fix it? Hundreds of millions? And add to that the damage they did with the botnet; I don't know what this one did, but it could be spam, DDoS attacks, stolen personal info, extortion, etc.</p><p>Also, I still don't understand why the U.S. government doesn't treat these wide-spread, expensive crimes as a priority. Given the scale of these crimes, there should be a large task force pursuing them. I get the sense they are looked on as computer problems, not crimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's one reason botnets thrive : In addition to the fact that the perpetrators are likely to get away with it , per one article [ cbsnews.com ] , They face up to six years in prison if convicted of hacking charges..6 years max ?
For hacking 12 million computers ?
Ignoring the intrusions , how much did it cost the victims in labor and downtime to fix it ?
Hundreds of millions ?
And add to that the damage they did with the botnet ; I do n't know what this one did , but it could be spam , DDoS attacks , stolen personal info , extortion , etc.Also , I still do n't understand why the U.S. government does n't treat these wide-spread , expensive crimes as a priority .
Given the scale of these crimes , there should be a large task force pursuing them .
I get the sense they are looked on as computer problems , not crimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's one reason botnets thrive: In addition to the fact that the perpetrators are likely to get away with it, per one article [cbsnews.com], They face up to six years in prison if convicted of hacking charges..6 years max?
For hacking 12 million computers?
Ignoring the intrusions, how much did it cost the victims in labor and downtime to fix it?
Hundreds of millions?
And add to that the damage they did with the botnet; I don't know what this one did, but it could be spam, DDoS attacks, stolen personal info, extortion, etc.Also, I still don't understand why the U.S. government doesn't treat these wide-spread, expensive crimes as a priority.
Given the scale of these crimes, there should be a large task force pursuing them.
I get the sense they are looked on as computer problems, not crimes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31348954</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1267647120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this informative? Insightful?<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/03/03/spain.computer.virus.arrest/index.html?hpt=T2" title="cnn.com">Three Spaniards arrested in alleged global hacking scheme</a> [cnn.com] <br> <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/03/masterminds-worlds-largest-virus-network-arrested/" title="foxnews.com">Accused Masterminds of World's Largest Computer Virus Network Arrested</a> [foxnews.com] <br> <br>

I don't particularly think the comment above was funny, but at least I wouldn't be so confused if that's why it was modded up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this informative ?
Insightful ? Three Spaniards arrested in alleged global hacking scheme [ cnn.com ] Accused Masterminds of World 's Largest Computer Virus Network Arrested [ foxnews.com ] I do n't particularly think the comment above was funny , but at least I would n't be so confused if that 's why it was modded up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this informative?
Insightful? 

Three Spaniards arrested in alleged global hacking scheme [cnn.com]  Accused Masterminds of World's Largest Computer Virus Network Arrested [foxnews.com]  

I don't particularly think the comment above was funny, but at least I wouldn't be so confused if that's why it was modded up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345064</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267629900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What country doesn't protect its accused in the 21st century?</p></div></blockquote><p>The US.</p><p>(But they execute people, too, so if you meant "civilized country", I really don't know.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What country does n't protect its accused in the 21st century ? The US .
( But they execute people , too , so if you meant " civilized country " , I really do n't know .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What country doesn't protect its accused in the 21st century?The US.
(But they execute people, too, so if you meant "civilized country", I really don't know.
)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31346776</id>
	<title>Re:Pentalty for 12 million botnet = 6 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267637220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Prison time should be determined by the crime that was committed, not some amount of money someone (including you) takes out of their ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Prison time should be determined by the crime that was committed , not some amount of money someone ( including you ) takes out of their ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prison time should be determined by the crime that was committed, not some amount of money someone (including you) takes out of their ass.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345122</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267630140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In both the USA and Canada, you're allowed to publish the names of the accused as long as they're adults.</p></div><p>Which is done, of course, with the understanding that these people are again innocent as they have not been proven otherwise. Since they are innocent, there is nothing for them to be embarrassed about, and no reason not to publish their names.</p><p>Also, the publication of names can have the effect of bringing forth witnesses.</p><p>Unfortunately, the court of public opinion has no presumption of innocence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In both the USA and Canada , you 're allowed to publish the names of the accused as long as they 're adults.Which is done , of course , with the understanding that these people are again innocent as they have not been proven otherwise .
Since they are innocent , there is nothing for them to be embarrassed about , and no reason not to publish their names.Also , the publication of names can have the effect of bringing forth witnesses.Unfortunately , the court of public opinion has no presumption of innocence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In both the USA and Canada, you're allowed to publish the names of the accused as long as they're adults.Which is done, of course, with the understanding that these people are again innocent as they have not been proven otherwise.
Since they are innocent, there is nothing for them to be embarrassed about, and no reason not to publish their names.Also, the publication of names can have the effect of bringing forth witnesses.Unfortunately, the court of public opinion has no presumption of innocence.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31349344</id>
	<title>Re:Offtopic, but relevant..</title>
	<author>BlueParrot</author>
	<datestamp>1267649100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I used to come here for impartial, to the minute news</p></div></blockquote><p>When you find a source of that, will you ask them if they can give me a pony unicorn? Preferably a pink one that flies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to come here for impartial , to the minute newsWhen you find a source of that , will you ask them if they can give me a pony unicorn ?
Preferably a pink one that flies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to come here for impartial, to the minute newsWhen you find a source of that, will you ask them if they can give me a pony unicorn?
Preferably a pink one that flies.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344728</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>roman\_mir</author>
	<datestamp>1267628340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but only if the average citizen understands the difference between "appeared on the police's books" and "guilty".</p></div><p> - on average, average citizens are able to differentiate between these concepts because on average they are smarter than the average.  It's easy to see from an average example of an average guy, such as G.W.Bush for an average example.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but only if the average citizen understands the difference between " appeared on the police 's books " and " guilty " .
- on average , average citizens are able to differentiate between these concepts because on average they are smarter than the average .
It 's easy to see from an average example of an average guy , such as G.W.Bush for an average example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but only if the average citizen understands the difference between "appeared on the police's books" and "guilty".
- on average, average citizens are able to differentiate between these concepts because on average they are smarter than the average.
It's easy to see from an average example of an average guy, such as G.W.Bush for an average example.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345058</id>
	<title>Why is it so hard?</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1267629900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is it so hard to dismantle a botnet? Rather than find the botnet owners by technical means, surely all they need to do is determine who are the businesses being advertised via spam from the botnet,  and get them to spill who they did their advertising deal with.<br>I mean the advert always has to specify somewhere to send your money right?</p><p>It seems to me that if they made it as illegal to be an 'spamvertiser' as it is to be a botnet operator, and actually enforced it with presecutions, I bet the whole botnet and spam thing generally would stop happening due to a lack of businesses willing to pay to use that method for advertising.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it so hard to dismantle a botnet ?
Rather than find the botnet owners by technical means , surely all they need to do is determine who are the businesses being advertised via spam from the botnet , and get them to spill who they did their advertising deal with.I mean the advert always has to specify somewhere to send your money right ? It seems to me that if they made it as illegal to be an 'spamvertiser ' as it is to be a botnet operator , and actually enforced it with presecutions , I bet the whole botnet and spam thing generally would stop happening due to a lack of businesses willing to pay to use that method for advertising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it so hard to dismantle a botnet?
Rather than find the botnet owners by technical means, surely all they need to do is determine who are the businesses being advertised via spam from the botnet,  and get them to spill who they did their advertising deal with.I mean the advert always has to specify somewhere to send your money right?It seems to me that if they made it as illegal to be an 'spamvertiser' as it is to be a botnet operator, and actually enforced it with presecutions, I bet the whole botnet and spam thing generally would stop happening due to a lack of businesses willing to pay to use that method for advertising.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344572</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The USA. There, the theory goes (according to some US expat) that it's more important to keep the police accountable (by having them keep a log about every significant interaction with the general population, incl. the names of all involved).</p><p>In theory, that's a good thing - but only if the average citizen understands the difference between "appeared on the police's books" and "guilty".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The USA .
There , the theory goes ( according to some US expat ) that it 's more important to keep the police accountable ( by having them keep a log about every significant interaction with the general population , incl .
the names of all involved ) .In theory , that 's a good thing - but only if the average citizen understands the difference between " appeared on the police 's books " and " guilty " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The USA.
There, the theory goes (according to some US expat) that it's more important to keep the police accountable (by having them keep a log about every significant interaction with the general population, incl.
the names of all involved).In theory, that's a good thing - but only if the average citizen understands the difference between "appeared on the police's books" and "guilty".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344370</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345512</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>cetialphav</author>
	<datestamp>1267631880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This does nothing for transparency of government, though.  I like to know what my government is doing and that means publishing information.  It seems scary to me that the government could arrest you and not have to tell anyone about it.  I think Bush and Cheney would have loved that to be accepted in general.</p><p>If you want a transparent government, then you have to accept that a certain amount of information is going to be revealed.  I think that is a reasonable price considering the amount of power that a government has.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This does nothing for transparency of government , though .
I like to know what my government is doing and that means publishing information .
It seems scary to me that the government could arrest you and not have to tell anyone about it .
I think Bush and Cheney would have loved that to be accepted in general.If you want a transparent government , then you have to accept that a certain amount of information is going to be revealed .
I think that is a reasonable price considering the amount of power that a government has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This does nothing for transparency of government, though.
I like to know what my government is doing and that means publishing information.
It seems scary to me that the government could arrest you and not have to tell anyone about it.
I think Bush and Cheney would have loved that to be accepted in general.If you want a transparent government, then you have to accept that a certain amount of information is going to be revealed.
I think that is a reasonable price considering the amount of power that a government has.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344370</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31345810</id>
	<title>Re:apparently in Spain, the accused have privacy</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267632960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And in some non-US countries, that &ldquo;reporter&rdquo; would go to jail himself for that. (Slander)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And in some non-US countries , that    reporter    would go to jail himself for that .
( Slander )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in some non-US countries, that “reporter” would go to jail himself for that.
(Slander)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_03_0328246.31344868</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Criminals</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1267629060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And that would be your first mistake.<br><br>Pay someone else to push the keys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And that would be your first mistake.Pay someone else to push the keys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that would be your first mistake.Pay someone else to push the keys.</sentencetext>
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