<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_02_1650227</id>
	<title>Detecting Anonymously Registered Domains</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267555860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Spamresource.com has up a piece describing a new service that could be useful in evaluating the reputation of sites you deal with &mdash; <a href="http://www.spamresource.com/2010/03/identify-anonymous-domains-with.html?utm\_source=feedburner">anonwhois.org returns information on domains registered anonymously</a>. It provides a DNSBL-style service that "is not a blacklist and wasn't meant to be used for outright rejection of mail." Only 619,000 domains are listed so far, but more are added as they are queried, so the database will grow more complete. <a href="http://www.anonwhois.org/">Anonwhois.org</a> seems to be a sister site to <a href="http://spameatingmonkey.com/">Spam Eating Monkey</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spamresource.com has up a piece describing a new service that could be useful in evaluating the reputation of sites you deal with    anonwhois.org returns information on domains registered anonymously .
It provides a DNSBL-style service that " is not a blacklist and was n't meant to be used for outright rejection of mail .
" Only 619,000 domains are listed so far , but more are added as they are queried , so the database will grow more complete .
Anonwhois.org seems to be a sister site to Spam Eating Monkey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spamresource.com has up a piece describing a new service that could be useful in evaluating the reputation of sites you deal with — anonwhois.org returns information on domains registered anonymously.
It provides a DNSBL-style service that "is not a blacklist and wasn't meant to be used for outright rejection of mail.
" Only 619,000 domains are listed so far, but more are added as they are queried, so the database will grow more complete.
Anonwhois.org seems to be a sister site to Spam Eating Monkey.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31363116</id>
	<title>Re:Fake whois info</title>
	<author>Dredd13</author>
	<datestamp>1267699080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't know how this happens, to be honest. I've had domains (I own about two dozen) registered with my personal contact info, completely legitimate and valid, since....</p><p>Created On:16-Jul-1996 04:00:00 UTC</p><p>and I have yet to get a single cold-call on my personal phone number (listed in the WHOIS database).</p><p>I'm not going so far as to say "you haven't", but my personal experiences owning my domain for 14 years do not match up with your fear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't know how this happens , to be honest .
I 've had domains ( I own about two dozen ) registered with my personal contact info , completely legitimate and valid , since....Created On : 16-Jul-1996 04 : 00 : 00 UTCand I have yet to get a single cold-call on my personal phone number ( listed in the WHOIS database ) .I 'm not going so far as to say " you have n't " , but my personal experiences owning my domain for 14 years do not match up with your fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't know how this happens, to be honest.
I've had domains (I own about two dozen) registered with my personal contact info, completely legitimate and valid, since....Created On:16-Jul-1996 04:00:00 UTCand I have yet to get a single cold-call on my personal phone number (listed in the WHOIS database).I'm not going so far as to say "you haven't", but my personal experiences owning my domain for 14 years do not match up with your fear.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333726</id>
	<title>No skin off my nose</title>
	<author>DietCoke</author>
	<datestamp>1267560780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I anonymize my registration so every PR company and marketer on the face of the earth doesn't spam the crap out of me or call me in the middle of the night, like they were doing before I did this.  If that means you won't be visiting my sites, umm... ok.  I'd rather not be interrupted by a spam email or phone call.</p><p>Good intention, bad fucking execution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I anonymize my registration so every PR company and marketer on the face of the earth does n't spam the crap out of me or call me in the middle of the night , like they were doing before I did this .
If that means you wo n't be visiting my sites , umm... ok. I 'd rather not be interrupted by a spam email or phone call.Good intention , bad fucking execution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I anonymize my registration so every PR company and marketer on the face of the earth doesn't spam the crap out of me or call me in the middle of the night, like they were doing before I did this.
If that means you won't be visiting my sites, umm... ok.  I'd rather not be interrupted by a spam email or phone call.Good intention, bad fucking execution.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334166</id>
	<title>Contact!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267562160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone who has brought up or agreed with any of the points raised here (private information protection, spammers lying, disclaimers not working, etc), please use the contact form on the anonwhois site to send them a message informing them that they're doing us all a disservice.

Doubtful that we'll get anywhere, but you never know...

Note: in the case that this is a front for spammers trying to farm information, you'll probably not want to associate your domain with this site in any way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone who has brought up or agreed with any of the points raised here ( private information protection , spammers lying , disclaimers not working , etc ) , please use the contact form on the anonwhois site to send them a message informing them that they 're doing us all a disservice .
Doubtful that we 'll get anywhere , but you never know.. . Note : in the case that this is a front for spammers trying to farm information , you 'll probably not want to associate your domain with this site in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone who has brought up or agreed with any of the points raised here (private information protection, spammers lying, disclaimers not working, etc), please use the contact form on the anonwhois site to send them a message informing them that they're doing us all a disservice.
Doubtful that we'll get anywhere, but you never know...

Note: in the case that this is a front for spammers trying to farm information, you'll probably not want to associate your domain with this site in any way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334834</id>
	<title>Re:Fake whois info</title>
	<author>Archon-X</author>
	<datestamp>1267521720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- Then you're using false WHOIS info, which is against ICANN policy. It seems you're agreeing with the GP - WHOIS data gets abused, there's a good reason to hide it.<br>- Domain protection varies with registrar.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ca, for example - it's turned on by default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- Then you 're using false WHOIS info , which is against ICANN policy .
It seems you 're agreeing with the GP - WHOIS data gets abused , there 's a good reason to hide it.- Domain protection varies with registrar .
.ca , for example - it 's turned on by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- Then you're using false WHOIS info, which is against ICANN policy.
It seems you're agreeing with the GP - WHOIS data gets abused, there's a good reason to hide it.- Domain protection varies with registrar.
.ca, for example - it's turned on by default.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333696</id>
	<title>Fake whois info</title>
	<author>digitalsushi</author>
	<datestamp>1267560720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a spammer, so why should I be honest and publish my true whois info?  Whenever I do, cold-callers bug me at 11pm for security systems, credit cards, and worse; if I leave for more than 5 days my mailbox gets so full of junk mail they stop delivering until I go downtown for it.  And since I am not abusing anyone, no one has a concern about how to call me, except those that want to spam me -- am I truly the scum of the earth for hiding?  Or why should I pay for a po box and answering voicemail for the same spammers?  If I do something that needs to get me put offline, the police can get a warrant through the registrar like every other real issue.  Or they can take my site down until I call, or whatever.  Don't make me force feed my home info for spammers.  The other 0.01\% of the time there's still a way to get the info, it's just a hassle, a hassle for which someone is gonna get paid.  Leave it alone already.  I got lucky with midnight phone calls and phonebook sized junkmails -- what happens when your psycho forum members get mad and publish your contact info?  Oh yeah, and those privacy services just transfer ownership to your registrar.  You lost your legal right when you bought that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a spammer , so why should I be honest and publish my true whois info ?
Whenever I do , cold-callers bug me at 11pm for security systems , credit cards , and worse ; if I leave for more than 5 days my mailbox gets so full of junk mail they stop delivering until I go downtown for it .
And since I am not abusing anyone , no one has a concern about how to call me , except those that want to spam me -- am I truly the scum of the earth for hiding ?
Or why should I pay for a po box and answering voicemail for the same spammers ?
If I do something that needs to get me put offline , the police can get a warrant through the registrar like every other real issue .
Or they can take my site down until I call , or whatever .
Do n't make me force feed my home info for spammers .
The other 0.01 \ % of the time there 's still a way to get the info , it 's just a hassle , a hassle for which someone is gon na get paid .
Leave it alone already .
I got lucky with midnight phone calls and phonebook sized junkmails -- what happens when your psycho forum members get mad and publish your contact info ?
Oh yeah , and those privacy services just transfer ownership to your registrar .
You lost your legal right when you bought that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a spammer, so why should I be honest and publish my true whois info?
Whenever I do, cold-callers bug me at 11pm for security systems, credit cards, and worse; if I leave for more than 5 days my mailbox gets so full of junk mail they stop delivering until I go downtown for it.
And since I am not abusing anyone, no one has a concern about how to call me, except those that want to spam me -- am I truly the scum of the earth for hiding?
Or why should I pay for a po box and answering voicemail for the same spammers?
If I do something that needs to get me put offline, the police can get a warrant through the registrar like every other real issue.
Or they can take my site down until I call, or whatever.
Don't make me force feed my home info for spammers.
The other 0.01\% of the time there's still a way to get the info, it's just a hassle, a hassle for which someone is gonna get paid.
Leave it alone already.
I got lucky with midnight phone calls and phonebook sized junkmails -- what happens when your psycho forum members get mad and publish your contact info?
Oh yeah, and those privacy services just transfer ownership to your registrar.
You lost your legal right when you bought that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334390</id>
	<title>Reasonable idea</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1267563060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
That's a good idea.  We do something like that at <a href="http://www.sitetruth.com/" title="sitetruth.com">SiteTruth</a> [sitetruth.com], where we down-rate commercial sites that don't have a real-world contact address on the site.  We're looking at user-visible pages, though, not WHOIS.  WHOIS data quality is too low.
</p><p>
I'm all in favor of this sort of thing. But don't drop the messages silently; reject them during the SMTP session if you can, or send a mail bounce if you can't. There's much to be said for having a hard-ass attitude about this, but you have to handle the false positives properly.
</p><p>
Anything that sends mail bounces needs to check SPF records.   This makes it possible to stop joe-job mail bounce problems.
(EXIM mailer people: please finish the implementation of SPF checking and advance it from "experimental", so large ISPs can use it.)
</p><p>
Also, quit whining that putting your real name on your WHOIS registration will get you annoying phone calls, threats, or whatever.  I've had my real name and contact info on all my web sites and WHOIS information for a decade, and that's just not happening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a good idea .
We do something like that at SiteTruth [ sitetruth.com ] , where we down-rate commercial sites that do n't have a real-world contact address on the site .
We 're looking at user-visible pages , though , not WHOIS .
WHOIS data quality is too low .
I 'm all in favor of this sort of thing .
But do n't drop the messages silently ; reject them during the SMTP session if you can , or send a mail bounce if you ca n't .
There 's much to be said for having a hard-ass attitude about this , but you have to handle the false positives properly .
Anything that sends mail bounces needs to check SPF records .
This makes it possible to stop joe-job mail bounce problems .
( EXIM mailer people : please finish the implementation of SPF checking and advance it from " experimental " , so large ISPs can use it .
) Also , quit whining that putting your real name on your WHOIS registration will get you annoying phone calls , threats , or whatever .
I 've had my real name and contact info on all my web sites and WHOIS information for a decade , and that 's just not happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
That's a good idea.
We do something like that at SiteTruth [sitetruth.com], where we down-rate commercial sites that don't have a real-world contact address on the site.
We're looking at user-visible pages, though, not WHOIS.
WHOIS data quality is too low.
I'm all in favor of this sort of thing.
But don't drop the messages silently; reject them during the SMTP session if you can, or send a mail bounce if you can't.
There's much to be said for having a hard-ass attitude about this, but you have to handle the false positives properly.
Anything that sends mail bounces needs to check SPF records.
This makes it possible to stop joe-job mail bounce problems.
(EXIM mailer people: please finish the implementation of SPF checking and advance it from "experimental", so large ISPs can use it.
)

Also, quit whining that putting your real name on your WHOIS registration will get you annoying phone calls, threats, or whatever.
I've had my real name and contact info on all my web sites and WHOIS information for a decade, and that's just not happening.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334008</id>
	<title>Re:Fake whois info</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1267561680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>In order to avoid the overpriced fees for that, I just got a PO box and use an invalid phone number.
<p>
10 domains at $9/yr each for privacy gives $90/year extra.  A PO box costs $45 or so  a year.  For any more than 5 domains, it's cheaper to go the PO Box route.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to avoid the overpriced fees for that , I just got a PO box and use an invalid phone number .
10 domains at $ 9/yr each for privacy gives $ 90/year extra .
A PO box costs $ 45 or so a year .
For any more than 5 domains , it 's cheaper to go the PO Box route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to avoid the overpriced fees for that, I just got a PO box and use an invalid phone number.
10 domains at $9/yr each for privacy gives $90/year extra.
A PO box costs $45 or so  a year.
For any more than 5 domains, it's cheaper to go the PO Box route.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31336258</id>
	<title>Re:Reasonable idea</title>
	<author>Darknight</author>
	<datestamp>1267526760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
Also, quit whining that putting your real name on your WHOIS registration will get you annoying phone calls, threats, or whatever.  I've had my real name and contact info on all my web sites and WHOIS information for a decade, and that's just not happening.</p></div><p>Ah, so your logical conclusion is "Since it's never happened to me, it doesn't happen.  Period".  Brilliant, Sherlock.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , quit whining that putting your real name on your WHOIS registration will get you annoying phone calls , threats , or whatever .
I 've had my real name and contact info on all my web sites and WHOIS information for a decade , and that 's just not happening.Ah , so your logical conclusion is " Since it 's never happened to me , it does n't happen .
Period " . Brilliant , Sherlock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Also, quit whining that putting your real name on your WHOIS registration will get you annoying phone calls, threats, or whatever.
I've had my real name and contact info on all my web sites and WHOIS information for a decade, and that's just not happening.Ah, so your logical conclusion is "Since it's never happened to me, it doesn't happen.
Period".  Brilliant, Sherlock.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334390</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334020</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267561740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a PO Box for my domains and don't put my real name on anything I register.  It at least keeps away most crap.  For email, I always just list a GMail address now and they do a pretty good job filtering out any spam I may get through it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a PO Box for my domains and do n't put my real name on anything I register .
It at least keeps away most crap .
For email , I always just list a GMail address now and they do a pretty good job filtering out any spam I may get through it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a PO Box for my domains and don't put my real name on anything I register.
It at least keeps away most crap.
For email, I always just list a GMail address now and they do a pretty good job filtering out any spam I may get through it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333438</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333648</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid</title>
	<author>Sir\_Dill</author>
	<datestamp>1267560540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second this<p>
This has to be the brainchild of a spammer or someone who hasn't been a domain owner for very long (if at all).</p><p>
The parent has a VERY good point about scammers and spammers scraping whois for personal information to use for whatever nefarious purpose.</p><p>
Consider also that for the many people who register their own domains, the address listed is their personal physical address.</p><p>
Anyone who ISN'T using an anonymizer is opening the floodgates for scamming and spamming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this This has to be the brainchild of a spammer or someone who has n't been a domain owner for very long ( if at all ) .
The parent has a VERY good point about scammers and spammers scraping whois for personal information to use for whatever nefarious purpose .
Consider also that for the many people who register their own domains , the address listed is their personal physical address .
Anyone who IS N'T using an anonymizer is opening the floodgates for scamming and spamming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this
This has to be the brainchild of a spammer or someone who hasn't been a domain owner for very long (if at all).
The parent has a VERY good point about scammers and spammers scraping whois for personal information to use for whatever nefarious purpose.
Consider also that for the many people who register their own domains, the address listed is their personal physical address.
Anyone who ISN'T using an anonymizer is opening the floodgates for scamming and spamming.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333438</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334350</id>
	<title>Re:What's the point?</title>
	<author>markwalling</author>
	<datestamp>1267562940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, a human can look at the standard whois database. A mail server cannot easily do that. If you would RTFA, you would see that it is a DNS RBL that your mail server can query.

Sure, you could write a script to do that, but if someone hits you with a spam run, you're going to get banned from the whois databases pretty damn fast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , a human can look at the standard whois database .
A mail server can not easily do that .
If you would RTFA , you would see that it is a DNS RBL that your mail server can query .
Sure , you could write a script to do that , but if someone hits you with a spam run , you 're going to get banned from the whois databases pretty damn fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, a human can look at the standard whois database.
A mail server cannot easily do that.
If you would RTFA, you would see that it is a DNS RBL that your mail server can query.
Sure, you could write a script to do that, but if someone hits you with a spam run, you're going to get banned from the whois databases pretty damn fast.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31339926</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid</title>
	<author>Cramer</author>
	<datestamp>1267546380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had domains registered in public for many years.  I get almost NONE of what you whine about.  Yes, I've received <i>some</i> postal mail over the years -- mostly Register.com bullshit trying to scam away one's domain registration.  I've received many orders of magnitude more junk mail (postal mail) from "mortgage insurance" crap, car warantee crap, various retirement related shit, credit card offers, and so on.  Spam is next to nothing even though it's in the whois data and dozens of archived, searchable email lists. (I receive more spam at addresses that nothing should know exists.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had domains registered in public for many years .
I get almost NONE of what you whine about .
Yes , I 've received some postal mail over the years -- mostly Register.com bullshit trying to scam away one 's domain registration .
I 've received many orders of magnitude more junk mail ( postal mail ) from " mortgage insurance " crap , car warantee crap , various retirement related shit , credit card offers , and so on .
Spam is next to nothing even though it 's in the whois data and dozens of archived , searchable email lists .
( I receive more spam at addresses that nothing should know exists .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had domains registered in public for many years.
I get almost NONE of what you whine about.
Yes, I've received some postal mail over the years -- mostly Register.com bullshit trying to scam away one's domain registration.
I've received many orders of magnitude more junk mail (postal mail) from "mortgage insurance" crap, car warantee crap, various retirement related shit, credit card offers, and so on.
Spam is next to nothing even though it's in the whois data and dozens of archived, searchable email lists.
(I receive more spam at addresses that nothing should know exists.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333438</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334128</id>
	<title>Everyone in Canada will end up on this list</title>
	<author>Digital\_Quartz</author>
	<datestamp>1267562040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CIRA (the ".ca" registry) has a feature called "whois privacy" which hides the information of individuals who register domains by default.  Only businesses get their information published in the whois database (by default - individuals and businesses can turn this on or off, although businesses need to provide CIRA with a good reason why they want their whois info hidden).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CIRA ( the " .ca " registry ) has a feature called " whois privacy " which hides the information of individuals who register domains by default .
Only businesses get their information published in the whois database ( by default - individuals and businesses can turn this on or off , although businesses need to provide CIRA with a good reason why they want their whois info hidden ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CIRA (the ".ca" registry) has a feature called "whois privacy" which hides the information of individuals who register domains by default.
Only businesses get their information published in the whois database (by default - individuals and businesses can turn this on or off, although businesses need to provide CIRA with a good reason why they want their whois info hidden).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31345196</id>
	<title>Re:Fake whois info</title>
	<author>fl!ptop</author>
	<datestamp>1267630560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>use an invalid phone number</p></div></blockquote><p>If you do that you run the risk of <a href="http://wdprs.internic.net/" title="internic.net">getting reported to ICANN</a> [internic.net].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>use an invalid phone numberIf you do that you run the risk of getting reported to ICANN [ internic.net ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>use an invalid phone numberIf you do that you run the risk of getting reported to ICANN [internic.net].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31343414</id>
	<title>Re:This will only get misused</title>
	<author>gencha</author>
	<datestamp>1267620720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't make you a spammer. Just less trustworthy. Who people want to receive emails from is up to them. And if they decide they don't want emails from people who have registered their domain anonymously then so be it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't make you a spammer .
Just less trustworthy .
Who people want to receive emails from is up to them .
And if they decide they do n't want emails from people who have registered their domain anonymously then so be it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't make you a spammer.
Just less trustworthy.
Who people want to receive emails from is up to them.
And if they decide they don't want emails from people who have registered their domain anonymously then so be it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31412308</id>
	<title>Re:Continued misuse of blacklists</title>
	<author>suso</author>
	<datestamp>1268143620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jeez man, chill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jeez man , chill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jeez man, chill.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31335700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31335700</id>
	<title>Re:Continued misuse of blacklists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267524660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Which of course means that in a year or two us mail administrators will start encountering mail servers that have been setup to reject mail based soley on them being on this blacklist.</p></div><p>I knew even before clicking to read the comments, such a post would be in the #1 spot and yet again modded +5.</p><p>Sorry in advance if this dips into flame territory, but people who try to push their opinions on everyone else in the world, knowing in advance everyone else does NOT desire what your opinion is, is such bullshit.</p><p>You pretty much allude to who you have problems with...  Idiot mail admins that outright block email based on this one DNSBL entry.</p><p>So WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do you have to take away a valuable and useful tool such as this, or DNSBL in general, when those of us that know how to setup Bayesian filtering know how to do it right?</p><p>I'm sure you will try to claim you made no such comment about taking it away from everyone, but I fail to see the purpose of your complaint unless you desire that to not be able to happen?</p><p>Why do you insist on blaming 'everyone' for the stupid actions of a few?<br>Keep your hands off our black lists dammit!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which of course means that in a year or two us mail administrators will start encountering mail servers that have been setup to reject mail based soley on them being on this blacklist.I knew even before clicking to read the comments , such a post would be in the # 1 spot and yet again modded + 5.Sorry in advance if this dips into flame territory , but people who try to push their opinions on everyone else in the world , knowing in advance everyone else does NOT desire what your opinion is , is such bullshit.You pretty much allude to who you have problems with... Idiot mail admins that outright block email based on this one DNSBL entry.So WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do you have to take away a valuable and useful tool such as this , or DNSBL in general , when those of us that know how to setup Bayesian filtering know how to do it right ? I 'm sure you will try to claim you made no such comment about taking it away from everyone , but I fail to see the purpose of your complaint unless you desire that to not be able to happen ? Why do you insist on blaming 'everyone ' for the stupid actions of a few ? Keep your hands off our black lists dammit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which of course means that in a year or two us mail administrators will start encountering mail servers that have been setup to reject mail based soley on them being on this blacklist.I knew even before clicking to read the comments, such a post would be in the #1 spot and yet again modded +5.Sorry in advance if this dips into flame territory, but people who try to push their opinions on everyone else in the world, knowing in advance everyone else does NOT desire what your opinion is, is such bullshit.You pretty much allude to who you have problems with...  Idiot mail admins that outright block email based on this one DNSBL entry.So WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do you have to take away a valuable and useful tool such as this, or DNSBL in general, when those of us that know how to setup Bayesian filtering know how to do it right?I'm sure you will try to claim you made no such comment about taking it away from everyone, but I fail to see the purpose of your complaint unless you desire that to not be able to happen?Why do you insist on blaming 'everyone' for the stupid actions of a few?Keep your hands off our black lists dammit!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31342300</id>
	<title>Re:Fake whois info</title>
	<author>bloobloo</author>
	<datestamp>1267610760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you register your domain through Dreamhost then you don't need to pay for privacy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you register your domain through Dreamhost then you do n't need to pay for privacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you register your domain through Dreamhost then you don't need to pay for privacy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333438</id>
	<title>Stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267559760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 2010, who *doesn't* use a "hiding" service for a domain? For fifteen years now you'd basically have to throw away any e-mail address on a domain, and get inundated with physical spam on any mailing address used.</p><p>Black listing domains because the owner doesn't want to deal with jackass spammers and bulk mailers is just stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 2010 , who * does n't * use a " hiding " service for a domain ?
For fifteen years now you 'd basically have to throw away any e-mail address on a domain , and get inundated with physical spam on any mailing address used.Black listing domains because the owner does n't want to deal with jackass spammers and bulk mailers is just stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 2010, who *doesn't* use a "hiding" service for a domain?
For fifteen years now you'd basically have to throw away any e-mail address on a domain, and get inundated with physical spam on any mailing address used.Black listing domains because the owner doesn't want to deal with jackass spammers and bulk mailers is just stupid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333622</id>
	<title>Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267560480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see the point of this. My own domain is not anonymized, but I get a lot of spam and it also somehow bothers me that anyone can see my address. If I would register a new domain, I'd surely subscribe to one of those anon services. And I'm not a spammer. In fact, wouldn't it be much better if domains were anonymous by default and the registrars provided email forwarding services? I think so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see the point of this .
My own domain is not anonymized , but I get a lot of spam and it also somehow bothers me that anyone can see my address .
If I would register a new domain , I 'd surely subscribe to one of those anon services .
And I 'm not a spammer .
In fact , would n't it be much better if domains were anonymous by default and the registrars provided email forwarding services ?
I think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see the point of this.
My own domain is not anonymized, but I get a lot of spam and it also somehow bothers me that anyone can see my address.
If I would register a new domain, I'd surely subscribe to one of those anon services.
And I'm not a spammer.
In fact, wouldn't it be much better if domains were anonymous by default and the registrars provided email forwarding services?
I think so.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31335000</id>
	<title>Anonymous registration is necessary</title>
	<author>StealthyRoid</author>
	<datestamp>1267522260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm the owner of an anonymous hosting company, InvisiHosting.com, and I'd like to comment briefly on the distaste for anonymous domain registration.
<ol>
<li> ICANN regulations require the listing of accurate data in a WHOIS record, with a threat of revocation if inaccurate data is not corrected.  That means that anyone who has a domain name, who doesn't have a company to register it under, has to have their real name, address, email and phone number listed in the WHOIS record.  While most registrars are pretty lax in enforcing this, it still leaves normal, good people faced with having to put information that they wouldn't necessarily want public.  Anonymous registration makes this unnecessary.
</li><li>Many people have very very good reasons for not wanting to be associated with a website.  Whistleblowers, pranksters, bloggers, etc, all could face serious legal or social repercussions if they data they make public is attached back to them.  Many of my non-American customers would be arrested or sued for exercising nothing more than the freedom of speech that the rest of us are accustomed to.
</li><li>If this idea really takes hold, and ANONWHOIS lists are actually used to spam score email, real spammers will just find a registrar that doesn't enforce ICANN policy too strictly (Joker, GoDaddy, etc...), throw up fake data, and the list would be left penalizing honest people who simply don't want their name attached to their domain.
</li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm the owner of an anonymous hosting company , InvisiHosting.com , and I 'd like to comment briefly on the distaste for anonymous domain registration .
ICANN regulations require the listing of accurate data in a WHOIS record , with a threat of revocation if inaccurate data is not corrected .
That means that anyone who has a domain name , who does n't have a company to register it under , has to have their real name , address , email and phone number listed in the WHOIS record .
While most registrars are pretty lax in enforcing this , it still leaves normal , good people faced with having to put information that they would n't necessarily want public .
Anonymous registration makes this unnecessary .
Many people have very very good reasons for not wanting to be associated with a website .
Whistleblowers , pranksters , bloggers , etc , all could face serious legal or social repercussions if they data they make public is attached back to them .
Many of my non-American customers would be arrested or sued for exercising nothing more than the freedom of speech that the rest of us are accustomed to .
If this idea really takes hold , and ANONWHOIS lists are actually used to spam score email , real spammers will just find a registrar that does n't enforce ICANN policy too strictly ( Joker , GoDaddy , etc... ) , throw up fake data , and the list would be left penalizing honest people who simply do n't want their name attached to their domain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm the owner of an anonymous hosting company, InvisiHosting.com, and I'd like to comment briefly on the distaste for anonymous domain registration.
ICANN regulations require the listing of accurate data in a WHOIS record, with a threat of revocation if inaccurate data is not corrected.
That means that anyone who has a domain name, who doesn't have a company to register it under, has to have their real name, address, email and phone number listed in the WHOIS record.
While most registrars are pretty lax in enforcing this, it still leaves normal, good people faced with having to put information that they wouldn't necessarily want public.
Anonymous registration makes this unnecessary.
Many people have very very good reasons for not wanting to be associated with a website.
Whistleblowers, pranksters, bloggers, etc, all could face serious legal or social repercussions if they data they make public is attached back to them.
Many of my non-American customers would be arrested or sued for exercising nothing more than the freedom of speech that the rest of us are accustomed to.
If this idea really takes hold, and ANONWHOIS lists are actually used to spam score email, real spammers will just find a registrar that doesn't enforce ICANN policy too strictly (Joker, GoDaddy, etc...), throw up fake data, and the list would be left penalizing honest people who simply don't want their name attached to their domain.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333428</id>
	<title>meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267559700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>let me knoe when they can detect anonymous gay sex.  I don't want people finding out about my love of glory holes!<p>
- <i>Larry C., Iowa</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>let me knoe when they can detect anonymous gay sex .
I do n't want people finding out about my love of glory holes !
- Larry C. , Iowa</tokentext>
<sentencetext>let me knoe when they can detect anonymous gay sex.
I don't want people finding out about my love of glory holes!
- Larry C., Iowa</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31339974</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid</title>
	<author>Cramer</author>
	<datestamp>1267546860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Domain registration doesn't ask for anything that isn't public knowledge already.  All proxy services do is hide who actually uses the domain.  By ICANN rules, the proxy owns the domain; <i>they</i> are the registrant.  They can do whatever they please with "your" domain and you have little power to stop them.  And of course, you have to pay for the service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Domain registration does n't ask for anything that is n't public knowledge already .
All proxy services do is hide who actually uses the domain .
By ICANN rules , the proxy owns the domain ; they are the registrant .
They can do whatever they please with " your " domain and you have little power to stop them .
And of course , you have to pay for the service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Domain registration doesn't ask for anything that isn't public knowledge already.
All proxy services do is hide who actually uses the domain.
By ICANN rules, the proxy owns the domain; they are the registrant.
They can do whatever they please with "your" domain and you have little power to stop them.
And of course, you have to pay for the service.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333648</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31338454</id>
	<title>rfc-ignorant.org already does this</title>
	<author>griffinn</author>
	<datestamp>1267535940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds a lot like the whois DNSBL service by rfc-ignorant.org, which has been around for much longer. Why do we need another one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds a lot like the whois DNSBL service by rfc-ignorant.org , which has been around for much longer .
Why do we need another one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds a lot like the whois DNSBL service by rfc-ignorant.org, which has been around for much longer.
Why do we need another one?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31340566</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone in Canada will end up on this list</title>
	<author>Antony-Kyre</author>
	<datestamp>1267552080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't that hurt the private registration companies?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't that hurt the private registration companies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't that hurt the private registration companies?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31335568</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267524180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't use a hiding service.  I've owned my domains for 10 years.  My name, PO BOX, and phone number are all real.  I can't really say it has been an issue.</p><p>I realize the irony of posting as anonymous coward, but every time I create an account I get modded down as flame bait for being a m$ fan boy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't use a hiding service .
I 've owned my domains for 10 years .
My name , PO BOX , and phone number are all real .
I ca n't really say it has been an issue.I realize the irony of posting as anonymous coward , but every time I create an account I get modded down as flame bait for being a m $ fan boy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't use a hiding service.
I've owned my domains for 10 years.
My name, PO BOX, and phone number are all real.
I can't really say it has been an issue.I realize the irony of posting as anonymous coward, but every time I create an account I get modded down as flame bait for being a m$ fan boy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333438</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333730</id>
	<title>Easy work-around</title>
	<author>Jabrwock</author>
	<datestamp>1267560840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Registered under Shell Company X owned by son/daughter of employee. Not anonymous, possibly fraudulent, but as if anyone's going to waste their time tracking every company contact down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Registered under Shell Company X owned by son/daughter of employee .
Not anonymous , possibly fraudulent , but as if anyone 's going to waste their time tracking every company contact down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Registered under Shell Company X owned by son/daughter of employee.
Not anonymous, possibly fraudulent, but as if anyone's going to waste their time tracking every company contact down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333774</id>
	<title>rape is in the air</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267561020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol what</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol what</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol what</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31336272</id>
	<title>Hypocrites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267526880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anonwhois.org whois data refers to SpamEatingMonkey.com</p><p>SpamEatingMonkey.com whois information only has a PO Box as a real world (non email / non internet) contact address.</p><p>The admin, technical and registrant contacts are all "SEM Admin" which refers to "admin@spameatingmonkey.com"</p><p>This is anonymous in the real world.</p><p>So basically they are saying that a PO Box is OK but listing your hosting company address is not.</p><p>Anyone can go and set up a PO Box anonymously.  If this takes hold then it will just force legitimate users to register PO Boxes.  Spammers can do this too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anonwhois.org whois data refers to SpamEatingMonkey.comSpamEatingMonkey.com whois information only has a PO Box as a real world ( non email / non internet ) contact address.The admin , technical and registrant contacts are all " SEM Admin " which refers to " admin @ spameatingmonkey.com " This is anonymous in the real world.So basically they are saying that a PO Box is OK but listing your hosting company address is not.Anyone can go and set up a PO Box anonymously .
If this takes hold then it will just force legitimate users to register PO Boxes .
Spammers can do this too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anonwhois.org whois data refers to SpamEatingMonkey.comSpamEatingMonkey.com whois information only has a PO Box as a real world (non email / non internet) contact address.The admin, technical and registrant contacts are all "SEM Admin" which refers to "admin@spameatingmonkey.com"This is anonymous in the real world.So basically they are saying that a PO Box is OK but listing your hosting company address is not.Anyone can go and set up a PO Box anonymously.
If this takes hold then it will just force legitimate users to register PO Boxes.
Spammers can do this too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333368</id>
	<title>Continued misuse of blacklists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267559460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It provides a DNSBL-style service that "is not a blacklist and wasn't meant to be used for outright rejection of mail.</i></p><p>Which of course means that in a year or two us mail administrators will start encountering mail servers that have been setup to reject mail based soley on them being on this blacklist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It provides a DNSBL-style service that " is not a blacklist and was n't meant to be used for outright rejection of mail.Which of course means that in a year or two us mail administrators will start encountering mail servers that have been setup to reject mail based soley on them being on this blacklist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It provides a DNSBL-style service that "is not a blacklist and wasn't meant to be used for outright rejection of mail.Which of course means that in a year or two us mail administrators will start encountering mail servers that have been setup to reject mail based soley on them being on this blacklist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31339506</id>
	<title>A horrd idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267542900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I absolutely disagree! I know many private citizens, small personal sites, public people including A-list stars who are running their own websites and for obvious reasons don't want their registration information known to everyone, so they pay the $8.00 to make it private.</p><p>It is a horrible idea to allow all contact data for a people that own a DNS to be accessed by any stalker who knows how to use terminal and "WHOIS".</p><p>Do you really want your 18 year old daughter's registry information including her cellphone available to anyone who can sift it out because she happened to take a "how to make a website" class?<br>Come on, there are many industrial and effective answers to fighting spam without using broad exclusion methods that will render a lot of false positives and expose a lot of information into the public that has no business being there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I absolutely disagree !
I know many private citizens , small personal sites , public people including A-list stars who are running their own websites and for obvious reasons do n't want their registration information known to everyone , so they pay the $ 8.00 to make it private.It is a horrible idea to allow all contact data for a people that own a DNS to be accessed by any stalker who knows how to use terminal and " WHOIS " .Do you really want your 18 year old daughter 's registry information including her cellphone available to anyone who can sift it out because she happened to take a " how to make a website " class ? Come on , there are many industrial and effective answers to fighting spam without using broad exclusion methods that will render a lot of false positives and expose a lot of information into the public that has no business being there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I absolutely disagree!
I know many private citizens, small personal sites, public people including A-list stars who are running their own websites and for obvious reasons don't want their registration information known to everyone, so they pay the $8.00 to make it private.It is a horrible idea to allow all contact data for a people that own a DNS to be accessed by any stalker who knows how to use terminal and "WHOIS".Do you really want your 18 year old daughter's registry information including her cellphone available to anyone who can sift it out because she happened to take a "how to make a website" class?Come on, there are many industrial and effective answers to fighting spam without using broad exclusion methods that will render a lot of false positives and expose a lot of information into the public that has no business being there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333590</id>
	<title>Dumb idea.</title>
	<author>loxosceles</author>
	<datestamp>1267560360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't think of a good use for this flavor of dnsbl...  too little correlation with anything that matters.  A lot of privacy-conscious domain owners use private registration, and it has nothing to do with using the domain for spam or other nefarious purposes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't think of a good use for this flavor of dnsbl... too little correlation with anything that matters .
A lot of privacy-conscious domain owners use private registration , and it has nothing to do with using the domain for spam or other nefarious purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't think of a good use for this flavor of dnsbl...  too little correlation with anything that matters.
A lot of privacy-conscious domain owners use private registration, and it has nothing to do with using the domain for spam or other nefarious purposes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31335062</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267522500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I use a PO Box for my domains and don't put my real name on anything I register.  It at least keeps away most crap.  For email, I always just list a GMail address now and they do a pretty good job filtering out any spam I may get through it.</p></div><p>I would just like to point out that this is no different than using an anonymizing service.</p><p>
You're just doing all the work yourself, plus you have to pay for and check a PO box now.</p><p>
The ONLY difference is that this method negates the purpose of this list of anon domains.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a PO Box for my domains and do n't put my real name on anything I register .
It at least keeps away most crap .
For email , I always just list a GMail address now and they do a pretty good job filtering out any spam I may get through it.I would just like to point out that this is no different than using an anonymizing service .
You 're just doing all the work yourself , plus you have to pay for and check a PO box now .
The ONLY difference is that this method negates the purpose of this list of anon domains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a PO Box for my domains and don't put my real name on anything I register.
It at least keeps away most crap.
For email, I always just list a GMail address now and they do a pretty good job filtering out any spam I may get through it.I would just like to point out that this is no different than using an anonymizing service.
You're just doing all the work yourself, plus you have to pay for and check a PO box now.
The ONLY difference is that this method negates the purpose of this list of anon domains.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334846</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone in Canada will end up on this list</title>
	<author>EvilIdler</author>
	<datestamp>1267521780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Norwegian TLD has no privacy option - if you want to use the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.no domain, you need valid contact details. There is no option for individuals, as you have to register a company to be allowed to buy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.no domains anyway. That's why I recommend<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com/.net/.org addresses for everyone (or some other TLD which isn't too suspicious-looking<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;), since domain privacy is now part of the price anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Norwegian TLD has no privacy option - if you want to use the .no domain , you need valid contact details .
There is no option for individuals , as you have to register a company to be allowed to buy .no domains anyway .
That 's why I recommend .com/.net/.org addresses for everyone ( or some other TLD which is n't too suspicious-looking ; ) , since domain privacy is now part of the price anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Norwegian TLD has no privacy option - if you want to use the .no domain, you need valid contact details.
There is no option for individuals, as you have to register a company to be allowed to buy .no domains anyway.
That's why I recommend .com/.net/.org addresses for everyone (or some other TLD which isn't too suspicious-looking ;), since domain privacy is now part of the price anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333872</id>
	<title>This will only get misused</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267561320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The next step is someone taking this too far and thinking "Great, I can incorporate this into my blacklists!"  The problem here ist the underlying assumption that using anonymous registration makes you a spammer.
<p>
While that is certainly a use for anonymous registration, there are a lot of us who register anonymously to avoid having our names and addresses unnecessarily exposed to spam and risk of identity theft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The next step is someone taking this too far and thinking " Great , I can incorporate this into my blacklists !
" The problem here ist the underlying assumption that using anonymous registration makes you a spammer .
While that is certainly a use for anonymous registration , there are a lot of us who register anonymously to avoid having our names and addresses unnecessarily exposed to spam and risk of identity theft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The next step is someone taking this too far and thinking "Great, I can incorporate this into my blacklists!
"  The problem here ist the underlying assumption that using anonymous registration makes you a spammer.
While that is certainly a use for anonymous registration, there are a lot of us who register anonymously to avoid having our names and addresses unnecessarily exposed to spam and risk of identity theft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333922</id>
	<title>Jeebus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267561440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just more kdawson FUD.</p><p>I thought he was relegated to the night shift. Guess not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just more kdawson FUD.I thought he was relegated to the night shift .
Guess not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just more kdawson FUD.I thought he was relegated to the night shift.
Guess not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334466</id>
	<title>Re:Fake whois info</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1267563360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whenever I do, cold-callers bug me at 11pm for security systems, credit cards, and worse; if I leave for more than 5 days my mailbox gets so full of junk mail they stop delivering until I go downtown for it.</p></div><p>Are you certain that's from domain registration?  Nothing of the sort has ever happened to me, and I have not hidden my domain info.</p><p>I got one or two "renewal notices" from DROA over the course of a decade, not much else.</p><p>You can be certain by selective falsification and then watch the incoming physical spam.  Slightly inaccurate spelling, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever I do , cold-callers bug me at 11pm for security systems , credit cards , and worse ; if I leave for more than 5 days my mailbox gets so full of junk mail they stop delivering until I go downtown for it.Are you certain that 's from domain registration ?
Nothing of the sort has ever happened to me , and I have not hidden my domain info.I got one or two " renewal notices " from DROA over the course of a decade , not much else.You can be certain by selective falsification and then watch the incoming physical spam .
Slightly inaccurate spelling , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever I do, cold-callers bug me at 11pm for security systems, credit cards, and worse; if I leave for more than 5 days my mailbox gets so full of junk mail they stop delivering until I go downtown for it.Are you certain that's from domain registration?
Nothing of the sort has ever happened to me, and I have not hidden my domain info.I got one or two "renewal notices" from DROA over the course of a decade, not much else.You can be certain by selective falsification and then watch the incoming physical spam.
Slightly inaccurate spelling, etc.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333490</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267559940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the dumbest thing since lawn darts.  I can tell you who is listed anonymously just by looking at the standard whois database.  There's only a handful of privacy companies that represent the majority of anonymous domains. If you could find their contact information then that would be useful.<br> <br>
Congrats, you are the proud owners of a text parsing machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the dumbest thing since lawn darts .
I can tell you who is listed anonymously just by looking at the standard whois database .
There 's only a handful of privacy companies that represent the majority of anonymous domains .
If you could find their contact information then that would be useful .
Congrats , you are the proud owners of a text parsing machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the dumbest thing since lawn darts.
I can tell you who is listed anonymously just by looking at the standard whois database.
There's only a handful of privacy companies that represent the majority of anonymous domains.
If you could find their contact information then that would be useful.
Congrats, you are the proud owners of a text parsing machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31334770</id>
	<title>Re:This will only get misused</title>
	<author>HolyCrapSCOsux</author>
	<datestamp>1267521420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem here ist the underlying assumption that using anonymous registration makes you a spammer.</p><p>Using bittorrent makes you a pirate too.<br>And being muslim makes you a terrorist<br>and being old makes you wnat to have a nice (unfootprinted) lawn... etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem here ist the underlying assumption that using anonymous registration makes you a spammer.Using bittorrent makes you a pirate too.And being muslim makes you a terroristand being old makes you wnat to have a nice ( unfootprinted ) lawn... etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem here ist the underlying assumption that using anonymous registration makes you a spammer.Using bittorrent makes you a pirate too.And being muslim makes you a terroristand being old makes you wnat to have a nice (unfootprinted) lawn... etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31333872</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_1650227.31337754</id>
	<title>Not a problem</title>
	<author>Intron</author>
	<datestamp>1267532820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why my domain is registered with name and contact information:  Bill Gates, Redmond, WA, 555-1212.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why my domain is registered with name and contact information : Bill Gates , Redmond , WA , 555-1212 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why my domain is registered with name and contact information:  Bill Gates, Redmond, WA, 555-1212.</sentencetext>
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