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	<title>Banks Accept Dubai Assassins' Stolen IDs</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267457760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>schliz writes <i>"Public scrutiny did more harm than good last week, after Australian police and the media released details of three stolen passports allegedly used in the assasination of a senior Hamas member in Dubai. As if having their identities stolen for an assassination wasn't enough, it turns out the victims' passports had not been cancelled by the government, so the details that were published by the media in fact <a href="http://itnews.com.au/News/168273,banks-accept-dubai-assassins-stolen-ids.aspx">could be used to open fraudulent bank accounts</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>schliz writes " Public scrutiny did more harm than good last week , after Australian police and the media released details of three stolen passports allegedly used in the assasination of a senior Hamas member in Dubai .
As if having their identities stolen for an assassination was n't enough , it turns out the victims ' passports had not been cancelled by the government , so the details that were published by the media in fact could be used to open fraudulent bank accounts .
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<sentencetext>schliz writes "Public scrutiny did more harm than good last week, after Australian police and the media released details of three stolen passports allegedly used in the assasination of a senior Hamas member in Dubai.
As if having their identities stolen for an assassination wasn't enough, it turns out the victims' passports had not been cancelled by the government, so the details that were published by the media in fact could be used to open fraudulent bank accounts.
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	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267378800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"they've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence"</p><p>We've ALWAYS been at war with Terrasia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" they 've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence " We 've ALWAYS been at war with Terrasia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"they've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence"We've ALWAYS been at war with Terrasia.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Correction ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267385160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"War <b>of</b> Terror"<br> <br>Fixed that for you.<br> <br>Both sides justify their dirty tactics by the existence of the other.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" War of Terror " Fixed that for you .
Both sides justify their dirty tactics by the existence of the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"War of Terror" Fixed that for you.
Both sides justify their dirty tactics by the existence of the other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312050</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267379460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... aw heck, I got karma to burn. I'm pretty sure not too many would care about their struggle, just wake us when one of you remains and have at it. What bothers most of the world is just that they can't keep to themselves and pull us into their struggle. It's a bit like two kids fighting in the sand pit under your window. Would you care if they didn't scream louder than you can turn your TV set?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , .... aw heck , I got karma to burn .
I 'm pretty sure not too many would care about their struggle , just wake us when one of you remains and have at it .
What bothers most of the world is just that they ca n't keep to themselves and pull us into their struggle .
It 's a bit like two kids fighting in the sand pit under your window .
Would you care if they did n't scream louder than you can turn your TV set ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, .... aw heck, I got karma to burn.
I'm pretty sure not too many would care about their struggle, just wake us when one of you remains and have at it.
What bothers most of the world is just that they can't keep to themselves and pull us into their struggle.
It's a bit like two kids fighting in the sand pit under your window.
Would you care if they didn't scream louder than you can turn your TV set?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31320738</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1267476660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions)</p></div><p>Perhaps generally, but not always. For example, in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973\_Israeli\_raid\_on\_Lebanon" title="wikipedia.org">Operation Spring of Youth</a> [wikipedia.org] there were probably at least one dozen (a few zodiac boats filled with special forces types; the exact number has never been publicly disclosed) shooters. I will grant you that Mossad was probably not as experienced back then, but it does serve as an early counter example to the small team argument.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Mossad has used two to four people in the past , even for much higher profile targets ( we know this from the few botched missions ) Perhaps generally , but not always .
For example , in Operation Spring of Youth [ wikipedia.org ] there were probably at least one dozen ( a few zodiac boats filled with special forces types ; the exact number has never been publicly disclosed ) shooters .
I will grant you that Mossad was probably not as experienced back then , but it does serve as an early counter example to the small team argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions)Perhaps generally, but not always.
For example, in Operation Spring of Youth [wikipedia.org] there were probably at least one dozen (a few zodiac boats filled with special forces types; the exact number has never been publicly disclosed) shooters.
I will grant you that Mossad was probably not as experienced back then, but it does serve as an early counter example to the small team argument.
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	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267377180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because Israel assasinated a Hamas leader and the Australian government leaked the details of forged passports it means they deserve each other. Wait what exactly did Hamas do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because Israel assasinated a Hamas leader and the Australian government leaked the details of forged passports it means they deserve each other .
Wait what exactly did Hamas do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because Israel assasinated a Hamas leader and the Australian government leaked the details of forged passports it means they deserve each other.
Wait what exactly did Hamas do?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31323920</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1267445820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>as the passports used were of people with dual citizenship and as such probably aren't seen by Mossad as "true citizens"</p></div><p>One third of Israelis are immigrants; nobody considers them as "not true citizens" for holding onto a passport from the country in which they were born.</p><p>But go ahead and believe paranoid fantasies about the Mossad being a smoke-filled room of Jewish KKK rituals.</p></div>
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<tokenext>as the passports used were of people with dual citizenship and as such probably are n't seen by Mossad as " true citizens " One third of Israelis are immigrants ; nobody considers them as " not true citizens " for holding onto a passport from the country in which they were born.But go ahead and believe paranoid fantasies about the Mossad being a smoke-filled room of Jewish KKK rituals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as the passports used were of people with dual citizenship and as such probably aren't seen by Mossad as "true citizens"One third of Israelis are immigrants; nobody considers them as "not true citizens" for holding onto a passport from the country in which they were born.But go ahead and believe paranoid fantasies about the Mossad being a smoke-filled room of Jewish KKK rituals.
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	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1267476360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, let's see: the Dubai police has, so far, incriminated 26 suspects which have fled the country, two of them to Iran. The only individuals actually captured by the Dubai police are 3 Palestinians. (That would make the number of operatives equal to 29). Additionally, the police actually found succinylcholine  (a muscle relaxant) in Mabhouh's blood (so he wouldn't fight back when, allegedly, smothered with a pillow). Some of the passports used by the alleged operatives belong to Israeli citizens (7 of them, IIRC).</p><p>You don't see any problem with these?</p><p>First of all, 29 operatives - that's a recipe for disaster; the more people involved, the higher the likelihood for an error. Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions). As for how much does adding people to the operation increase the likelihood for error, it's given by the formula 1 - (1 - q)^n, where q is the likelihood that one agent will screw up, and n is the number of participating agents.<br>Secondly, no Israeli agent would flee to Iran - because it's a paranoidly tightly controlled police state.<br>Thirdly, Mossad would never use identities stolen from Israeli citizens, as that would endanger the lives of said citizens (and protecting lives of Israeli citizens is one of Mossad's raison d'etre), AND it would point a giant flashing sign at Israel. Mossad doesn't need to use Israeli citizen's identities.<br>Fourthly, Mossad does not leave traces behind them. Their targets have historically been either shot or their death defied forensics.<br>Fifthly, the only captured people are Palestinians. This would point at the involvement of Fatah rather than Israel.</p><p>The whole operation, while successful, seems mired in sloppiness (having such a large group of people involved, all of them identified - WTF? And leaving evidence at the scene etc. etc.), which should be enough to discredit the claim that Mossad was in involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , let 's see : the Dubai police has , so far , incriminated 26 suspects which have fled the country , two of them to Iran .
The only individuals actually captured by the Dubai police are 3 Palestinians .
( That would make the number of operatives equal to 29 ) .
Additionally , the police actually found succinylcholine ( a muscle relaxant ) in Mabhouh 's blood ( so he would n't fight back when , allegedly , smothered with a pillow ) .
Some of the passports used by the alleged operatives belong to Israeli citizens ( 7 of them , IIRC ) .You do n't see any problem with these ? First of all , 29 operatives - that 's a recipe for disaster ; the more people involved , the higher the likelihood for an error .
Mossad has used two to four people in the past , even for much higher profile targets ( we know this from the few botched missions ) .
As for how much does adding people to the operation increase the likelihood for error , it 's given by the formula 1 - ( 1 - q ) ^ n , where q is the likelihood that one agent will screw up , and n is the number of participating agents.Secondly , no Israeli agent would flee to Iran - because it 's a paranoidly tightly controlled police state.Thirdly , Mossad would never use identities stolen from Israeli citizens , as that would endanger the lives of said citizens ( and protecting lives of Israeli citizens is one of Mossad 's raison d'etre ) , AND it would point a giant flashing sign at Israel .
Mossad does n't need to use Israeli citizen 's identities.Fourthly , Mossad does not leave traces behind them .
Their targets have historically been either shot or their death defied forensics.Fifthly , the only captured people are Palestinians .
This would point at the involvement of Fatah rather than Israel.The whole operation , while successful , seems mired in sloppiness ( having such a large group of people involved , all of them identified - WTF ?
And leaving evidence at the scene etc .
etc. ) , which should be enough to discredit the claim that Mossad was in involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, let's see: the Dubai police has, so far, incriminated 26 suspects which have fled the country, two of them to Iran.
The only individuals actually captured by the Dubai police are 3 Palestinians.
(That would make the number of operatives equal to 29).
Additionally, the police actually found succinylcholine  (a muscle relaxant) in Mabhouh's blood (so he wouldn't fight back when, allegedly, smothered with a pillow).
Some of the passports used by the alleged operatives belong to Israeli citizens (7 of them, IIRC).You don't see any problem with these?First of all, 29 operatives - that's a recipe for disaster; the more people involved, the higher the likelihood for an error.
Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions).
As for how much does adding people to the operation increase the likelihood for error, it's given by the formula 1 - (1 - q)^n, where q is the likelihood that one agent will screw up, and n is the number of participating agents.Secondly, no Israeli agent would flee to Iran - because it's a paranoidly tightly controlled police state.Thirdly, Mossad would never use identities stolen from Israeli citizens, as that would endanger the lives of said citizens (and protecting lives of Israeli citizens is one of Mossad's raison d'etre), AND it would point a giant flashing sign at Israel.
Mossad doesn't need to use Israeli citizen's identities.Fourthly, Mossad does not leave traces behind them.
Their targets have historically been either shot or their death defied forensics.Fifthly, the only captured people are Palestinians.
This would point at the involvement of Fatah rather than Israel.The whole operation, while successful, seems mired in sloppiness (having such a large group of people involved, all of them identified - WTF?
And leaving evidence at the scene etc.
etc.), which should be enough to discredit the claim that Mossad was in involved.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Correction: Iran does not care</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267475520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people</i></p><p>That hasn't been proven and the last known whereabouts of two of them were boarding a <a href="http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun\_olam/2010/02/25/dubai-names-26-suspects-in-dubai-assassination/" title="richardsilverstein.com">ship for IRAN</a> [richardsilverstein.com].</p><p>Why would Israeli agents be doing that?  You know very little about middle eastern politics if you think only the Israelis want people dead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Israel basically does n't care about what they 've done to these peopleThat has n't been proven and the last known whereabouts of two of them were boarding a ship for IRAN [ richardsilverstein.com ] .Why would Israeli agents be doing that ?
You know very little about middle eastern politics if you think only the Israelis want people dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these peopleThat hasn't been proven and the last known whereabouts of two of them were boarding a ship for IRAN [richardsilverstein.com].Why would Israeli agents be doing that?
You know very little about middle eastern politics if you think only the Israelis want people dead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311932</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267378140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they've been doing War on Terror.</p><p>Yeh they have. But before they were the ones at war with terrorists, they were the worst terrorists.</p><p>For a full list of their atrocities, funded by US jews, have a look at the UN report on jewish terrorism in Palestine 1945-48</p><p><a href="http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-timeline-1945-1948.html" title="jewwatch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-timeline-1945-1948.html</a> [jewwatch.com].</p><p>And the fuckers try and come across holier than the terrorists. Israel is a terrorist nation of thieves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Israel basically does n't care about what they 've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they 've been doing War on Terror.Yeh they have .
But before they were the ones at war with terrorists , they were the worst terrorists.For a full list of their atrocities , funded by US jews , have a look at the UN report on jewish terrorism in Palestine 1945-48http : //www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-timeline-1945-1948.html [ jewwatch.com ] .And the fuckers try and come across holier than the terrorists .
Israel is a terrorist nation of thieves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they've been doing War on Terror.Yeh they have.
But before they were the ones at war with terrorists, they were the worst terrorists.For a full list of their atrocities, funded by US jews, have a look at the UN report on jewish terrorism in Palestine 1945-48http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-timeline-1945-1948.html [jewwatch.com].And the fuckers try and come across holier than the terrorists.
Israel is a terrorist nation of thieves.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the Jewish people have been at war with everyone from day one, in later years settling down a bit and narrowing it to a smaller group</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the Jewish people have been at war with everyone from day one , in later years settling down a bit and narrowing it to a smaller group</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the Jewish people have been at war with everyone from day one, in later years settling down a bit and narrowing it to a smaller group</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31319632</id>
	<title>If it indeed was Mossad</title>
	<author>sageres</author>
	<datestamp>1267472160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see the only reason for them to send a "convention" of the operatives to Dubai and then send two agents to Iran in such open manner as even duplicate passports of the Israeli dual-citizenship holders. It could be a shout-out to certain number of Israeli-hostile states in the Middle-East and Africa that no matter what you do and how many cameras you will put up: <b>If you hurt Israel -- we will get you anytime, anywhere on our terms.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see the only reason for them to send a " convention " of the operatives to Dubai and then send two agents to Iran in such open manner as even duplicate passports of the Israeli dual-citizenship holders .
It could be a shout-out to certain number of Israeli-hostile states in the Middle-East and Africa that no matter what you do and how many cameras you will put up : If you hurt Israel -- we will get you anytime , anywhere on our terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see the only reason for them to send a "convention" of the operatives to Dubai and then send two agents to Iran in such open manner as even duplicate passports of the Israeli dual-citizenship holders.
It could be a shout-out to certain number of Israeli-hostile states in the Middle-East and Africa that no matter what you do and how many cameras you will put up: If you hurt Israel -- we will get you anytime, anywhere on our terms.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's why the GP said ID in the first paragraph. They were counterfeit, but used valid data, hence they're as good as stolen. Oh wait, are you using a subtle piracy isn't theft argument?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why the GP said ID in the first paragraph .
They were counterfeit , but used valid data , hence they 're as good as stolen .
Oh wait , are you using a subtle piracy is n't theft argument ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why the GP said ID in the first paragraph.
They were counterfeit, but used valid data, hence they're as good as stolen.
Oh wait, are you using a subtle piracy isn't theft argument?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>umghhh</author>
	<datestamp>1267438200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just wonder about few things:<ul>
<li>since when do we trust Dubai's security/police/judiciary  to deliver results that actually show the reality? Strangely they were not capable of catching a known terrorist before he got victimized by somebody - so how efficient are they really and how much can we trust them</li><li>is there any evidence that his was done by mossad? Even if we trust Dubai police (which I personally do not but I do not have to either - not living there etc) can they with all their professionalism actually find out who did it?</li><li>why is  this a problem if a known terrorist gets killed and it is not a problem when he can travel as he pleases (he was obviously well known in Dubai)?</li></ul><p>
What really annoys me with this thing is that media and sad majority of people just jump to the conclusions without even passing the information trough their brains. Every now and then certain thing happens and for reasons that are not comprehensible for a thinking person whole world gets bananas - last time it was I think with Georgia that was 'attacked' by Russia. This just shows that one cannot trust any information provided.
</p><p>BTW: not all of the passports were stolen or counterfeited - at least ones issued by German authorities were genuine albeit the actual persons whose identities were used knew nothing about these documents (or so they say).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just wonder about few things : since when do we trust Dubai 's security/police/judiciary to deliver results that actually show the reality ?
Strangely they were not capable of catching a known terrorist before he got victimized by somebody - so how efficient are they really and how much can we trust themis there any evidence that his was done by mossad ?
Even if we trust Dubai police ( which I personally do not but I do not have to either - not living there etc ) can they with all their professionalism actually find out who did it ? why is this a problem if a known terrorist gets killed and it is not a problem when he can travel as he pleases ( he was obviously well known in Dubai ) ?
What really annoys me with this thing is that media and sad majority of people just jump to the conclusions without even passing the information trough their brains .
Every now and then certain thing happens and for reasons that are not comprehensible for a thinking person whole world gets bananas - last time it was I think with Georgia that was 'attacked ' by Russia .
This just shows that one can not trust any information provided .
BTW : not all of the passports were stolen or counterfeited - at least ones issued by German authorities were genuine albeit the actual persons whose identities were used knew nothing about these documents ( or so they say ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just wonder about few things:
since when do we trust Dubai's security/police/judiciary  to deliver results that actually show the reality?
Strangely they were not capable of catching a known terrorist before he got victimized by somebody - so how efficient are they really and how much can we trust themis there any evidence that his was done by mossad?
Even if we trust Dubai police (which I personally do not but I do not have to either - not living there etc) can they with all their professionalism actually find out who did it?why is  this a problem if a known terrorist gets killed and it is not a problem when he can travel as he pleases (he was obviously well known in Dubai)?
What really annoys me with this thing is that media and sad majority of people just jump to the conclusions without even passing the information trough their brains.
Every now and then certain thing happens and for reasons that are not comprehensible for a thinking person whole world gets bananas - last time it was I think with Georgia that was 'attacked' by Russia.
This just shows that one cannot trust any information provided.
BTW: not all of the passports were stolen or counterfeited - at least ones issued by German authorities were genuine albeit the actual persons whose identities were used knew nothing about these documents (or so they say).</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That makes me think that Hamas and Isreal deserve each other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That makes me think that Hamas and Isreal deserve each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That makes me think that Hamas and Isreal deserve each other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31314748</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267453020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eh, that's kind of far fetched, but not impossible.</p><p>However if we go down this path, perhaps Mossad orchestrated this operation in this way in order for it to appear as an internal struggle, to both remain invisible themselves and win a political victory in spreading uncertainty in the enemy ranks.</p><p>See? Or perhaps Hamas did it themselves, just to get a good "bone" to pick with Israel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh , that 's kind of far fetched , but not impossible.However if we go down this path , perhaps Mossad orchestrated this operation in this way in order for it to appear as an internal struggle , to both remain invisible themselves and win a political victory in spreading uncertainty in the enemy ranks.See ?
Or perhaps Hamas did it themselves , just to get a good " bone " to pick with Israel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh, that's kind of far fetched, but not impossible.However if we go down this path, perhaps Mossad orchestrated this operation in this way in order for it to appear as an internal struggle, to both remain invisible themselves and win a political victory in spreading uncertainty in the enemy ranks.See?
Or perhaps Hamas did it themselves, just to get a good "bone" to pick with Israel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311634</id>
	<title>I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267374960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification... and no way to scrub your permanent record of what they want to record about you, or even an easy way toget your record cleaned if somebody should take your identity and uses it. Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen, they'll do the legwork up to $1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.</p><p>Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence. The least these people should be able to expect is that their government would cancel their stolen passports... but apparently that's too much to ask.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification... and no way to scrub your permanent record of what they want to record about you , or even an easy way toget your record cleaned if somebody should take your identity and uses it .
Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen , they 'll do the legwork up to $ 1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.Israel basically does n't care about what they 've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they 've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence .
The least these people should be able to expect is that their government would cancel their stolen passports... but apparently that 's too much to ask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification... and no way to scrub your permanent record of what they want to record about you, or even an easy way toget your record cleaned if somebody should take your identity and uses it.
Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen, they'll do the legwork up to $1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence.
The least these people should be able to expect is that their government would cancel their stolen passports... but apparently that's too much to ask.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312848</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Rakshasa Taisab</author>
	<datestamp>1267475520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is \_NOT\_ a problem with social security numbers (or national identification numbers). What this is about is the lack of strict regulation on their use and proper oversight.</p><p>If you can open a bank account just by having the information that is on a passport the there's a failure in procedure here, not an intrinsic security risk with national identification numbers. That is to say; any procedure that uses information found on a passport to authenticate that you are who you claim to be are relying on security through obscurity.</p><p>The online banks that were tested in the article failed and I'm surprised they haven't been slapped silly by government regulators for lax security. (They would be in norway, which has had NIN since 1960's)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is \ _NOT \ _ a problem with social security numbers ( or national identification numbers ) .
What this is about is the lack of strict regulation on their use and proper oversight.If you can open a bank account just by having the information that is on a passport the there 's a failure in procedure here , not an intrinsic security risk with national identification numbers .
That is to say ; any procedure that uses information found on a passport to authenticate that you are who you claim to be are relying on security through obscurity.The online banks that were tested in the article failed and I 'm surprised they have n't been slapped silly by government regulators for lax security .
( They would be in norway , which has had NIN since 1960 's )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is \_NOT\_ a problem with social security numbers (or national identification numbers).
What this is about is the lack of strict regulation on their use and proper oversight.If you can open a bank account just by having the information that is on a passport the there's a failure in procedure here, not an intrinsic security risk with national identification numbers.
That is to say; any procedure that uses information found on a passport to authenticate that you are who you claim to be are relying on security through obscurity.The online banks that were tested in the article failed and I'm surprised they haven't been slapped silly by government regulators for lax security.
(They would be in norway, which has had NIN since 1960's)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31315250</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267456020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hamas was created by Israel to counter the main Palestinian political organisation at the time. Israel always has some entity ready so they can make the 'no partner for peace' excuse. The main thing in Hamas' favour is that they are defending their country (or what is left of it) against an occupying force (just like the Taliban and the US in Afghanistan, the French Resistance against the Germans in WWII, the US Founders against the British etc, etc)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hamas was created by Israel to counter the main Palestinian political organisation at the time .
Israel always has some entity ready so they can make the 'no partner for peace ' excuse .
The main thing in Hamas ' favour is that they are defending their country ( or what is left of it ) against an occupying force ( just like the Taliban and the US in Afghanistan , the French Resistance against the Germans in WWII , the US Founders against the British etc , etc )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hamas was created by Israel to counter the main Palestinian political organisation at the time.
Israel always has some entity ready so they can make the 'no partner for peace' excuse.
The main thing in Hamas' favour is that they are defending their country (or what is left of it) against an occupying force (just like the Taliban and the US in Afghanistan, the French Resistance against the Germans in WWII, the US Founders against the British etc, etc)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312042</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1267379340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your government has an embassy in the country, you can simply go there and they will help you.</p><p>If your government does not have one, what the hell are you doing there?</p><p>And China is a bad example, I mean, don't tell me the only thing they don't counterfeit in China is passports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your government has an embassy in the country , you can simply go there and they will help you.If your government does not have one , what the hell are you doing there ? And China is a bad example , I mean , do n't tell me the only thing they do n't counterfeit in China is passports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your government has an embassy in the country, you can simply go there and they will help you.If your government does not have one, what the hell are you doing there?And China is a bad example, I mean, don't tell me the only thing they don't counterfeit in China is passports.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311954</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267378380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always had the impression that intelligence agencies operate with the principle that the end justifies absolutely any means. After all, they break plenty of laws when they operate in foreign countries and don't seem to have any problem fucking up the lives of their own citizens either.</p><p>But I do wonder if there's any particular reason why the Mossad prefers Australian or New Zealand identies? Considering how many times they've been caught red-handed, there should be examples with identities from other countries than those two. We can exclude American identities since they would probably not work much better than Israeli and they might not want to annoy Europeans any more than they already do and they have had good relations with South Africa for a long, long time but shouldn't an identity from a South American country or Canada also work appearance-wise?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always had the impression that intelligence agencies operate with the principle that the end justifies absolutely any means .
After all , they break plenty of laws when they operate in foreign countries and do n't seem to have any problem fucking up the lives of their own citizens either.But I do wonder if there 's any particular reason why the Mossad prefers Australian or New Zealand identies ?
Considering how many times they 've been caught red-handed , there should be examples with identities from other countries than those two .
We can exclude American identities since they would probably not work much better than Israeli and they might not want to annoy Europeans any more than they already do and they have had good relations with South Africa for a long , long time but should n't an identity from a South American country or Canada also work appearance-wise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always had the impression that intelligence agencies operate with the principle that the end justifies absolutely any means.
After all, they break plenty of laws when they operate in foreign countries and don't seem to have any problem fucking up the lives of their own citizens either.But I do wonder if there's any particular reason why the Mossad prefers Australian or New Zealand identies?
Considering how many times they've been caught red-handed, there should be examples with identities from other countries than those two.
We can exclude American identities since they would probably not work much better than Israeli and they might not want to annoy Europeans any more than they already do and they have had good relations with South Africa for a long, long time but shouldn't an identity from a South American country or Canada also work appearance-wise?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312094</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>WaXHeLL</author>
	<datestamp>1267380240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Their passports have not been stolen, they still have the originals in their possession. The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.</p></div><p>Actually, some of the involved passports were fraudulently obtained from their respective governments.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Their passports have not been stolen , they still have the originals in their possession .
The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.Actually , some of the involved passports were fraudulently obtained from their respective governments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their passports have not been stolen, they still have the originals in their possession.
The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.Actually, some of the involved passports were fraudulently obtained from their respective governments.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31316614</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1267460940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now that Mossad has built up such a good reputation the only way they can cover up their operations is to make them appear sloppy. Apparently they were still too subtle, so next time they should leave a few Mossad ID cards and a Star of David necklace behind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that Mossad has built up such a good reputation the only way they can cover up their operations is to make them appear sloppy .
Apparently they were still too subtle , so next time they should leave a few Mossad ID cards and a Star of David necklace behind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that Mossad has built up such a good reputation the only way they can cover up their operations is to make them appear sloppy.
Apparently they were still too subtle, so next time they should leave a few Mossad ID cards and a Star of David necklace behind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311888</id>
	<title>Re:Obscure the details.</title>
	<author>jamesswift</author>
	<datestamp>1267377720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blurring often isn't enough to remove the information.</p><p><a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/how\_to\_recover.html" title="schneier.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/how\_to\_recover.html</a> [schneier.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blurring often is n't enough to remove the information.http : //www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/how \ _to \ _recover.html [ schneier.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blurring often isn't enough to remove the information.http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/how\_to\_recover.html [schneier.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312070</id>
	<title>Re:Sound familiar?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267379760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got into a heated argument with my bank's "phone assistant" a while ago. You see, to ensure that I'm really me, they ask some "additional information" about my account when I phone in to make a transfer. Actually a quite convenient service when their webpage is down, as usual.</p><p>The security questions include such things as telling them some of my recent withdrawals or a certain regular payment (like phone bill or such), or my personal bank adviser (well, as personal as "the guy who created my account" can be...). The only problem: All those informations can be gained from a bank statement. Which I could get printed at any time with nothing but my ATM card, without additional security pin.</p><p>So if you steal a wallet and find an ATM card... I think you can take it from here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got into a heated argument with my bank 's " phone assistant " a while ago .
You see , to ensure that I 'm really me , they ask some " additional information " about my account when I phone in to make a transfer .
Actually a quite convenient service when their webpage is down , as usual.The security questions include such things as telling them some of my recent withdrawals or a certain regular payment ( like phone bill or such ) , or my personal bank adviser ( well , as personal as " the guy who created my account " can be... ) .
The only problem : All those informations can be gained from a bank statement .
Which I could get printed at any time with nothing but my ATM card , without additional security pin.So if you steal a wallet and find an ATM card... I think you can take it from here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got into a heated argument with my bank's "phone assistant" a while ago.
You see, to ensure that I'm really me, they ask some "additional information" about my account when I phone in to make a transfer.
Actually a quite convenient service when their webpage is down, as usual.The security questions include such things as telling them some of my recent withdrawals or a certain regular payment (like phone bill or such), or my personal bank adviser (well, as personal as "the guy who created my account" can be...).
The only problem: All those informations can be gained from a bank statement.
Which I could get printed at any time with nothing but my ATM card, without additional security pin.So if you steal a wallet and find an ATM card... I think you can take it from here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312274</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>alchemy101</author>
	<datestamp>1267382760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The heartless person in me has always thought that the rest of the world should just step aside and let themselves wipe each other out from the face of the Earth and let it be an important lesson to the rest of us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The heartless person in me has always thought that the rest of the world should just step aside and let themselves wipe each other out from the face of the Earth and let it be an important lesson to the rest of us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The heartless person in me has always thought that the rest of the world should just step aside and let themselves wipe each other out from the face of the Earth and let it be an important lesson to the rest of us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31313886</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267445580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Strangely they were not capable of catching a known terrorist before he got victimized by somebody</i><br>Why should the Dubai police arrest this man?<br><i>why is this a problem if a known terrorist gets killed and it is not a problem when he can travel as he pleases (he was obviously well known in Dubai)?</i><br>Again, why should the Dubai police arrest this man?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strangely they were not capable of catching a known terrorist before he got victimized by somebodyWhy should the Dubai police arrest this man ? why is this a problem if a known terrorist gets killed and it is not a problem when he can travel as he pleases ( he was obviously well known in Dubai ) ? Again , why should the Dubai police arrest this man ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strangely they were not capable of catching a known terrorist before he got victimized by somebodyWhy should the Dubai police arrest this man?why is this a problem if a known terrorist gets killed and it is not a problem when he can travel as he pleases (he was obviously well known in Dubai)?Again, why should the Dubai police arrest this man?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31320658</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1267476300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem is not the issuance of a government ID, the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID.</p></div><p>They would still do it, even if it the government passed laws against it. It is just too convenient and too many business are already doing it. For example, here in the United States the Privacy Act of 1974 technically makes it illegal for non government agencies to use the Social Security Number for tracking or any other purpose. Of course, this law has been conveniently ignored by big businesses almost since it was passed and they have essentially gotten away with it because they give a lot of money to politicians and nobody in the government wants to stir the pot with big business because, well, its bad for business.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is not the issuance of a government ID , the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID.They would still do it , even if it the government passed laws against it .
It is just too convenient and too many business are already doing it .
For example , here in the United States the Privacy Act of 1974 technically makes it illegal for non government agencies to use the Social Security Number for tracking or any other purpose .
Of course , this law has been conveniently ignored by big businesses almost since it was passed and they have essentially gotten away with it because they give a lot of money to politicians and nobody in the government wants to stir the pot with big business because , well , its bad for business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is not the issuance of a government ID, the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID.They would still do it, even if it the government passed laws against it.
It is just too convenient and too many business are already doing it.
For example, here in the United States the Privacy Act of 1974 technically makes it illegal for non government agencies to use the Social Security Number for tracking or any other purpose.
Of course, this law has been conveniently ignored by big businesses almost since it was passed and they have essentially gotten away with it because they give a lot of money to politicians and nobody in the government wants to stir the pot with big business because, well, its bad for business.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31314612</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1267452180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are assuming independence.  Given they probably all receive similar training and have similar cultural backgrounds, I would reckon Qn has a positive covariance and hence the chances of a fuckup are even worse<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are assuming independence .
Given they probably all receive similar training and have similar cultural backgrounds , I would reckon Qn has a positive covariance and hence the chances of a fuckup are even worse : p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are assuming independence.
Given they probably all receive similar training and have similar cultural backgrounds, I would reckon Qn has a positive covariance and hence the chances of a fuckup are even worse :p</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31316528</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>stdarg</author>
	<datestamp>1267460520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Begging the question -- fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Begging the question -- fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Begging the question -- fail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311884</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267377720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually not that hard to get a new Australian passport issued, especially if you have as good a reason as these people. It's not even slightly analogous to the American SSN.<br>The big problem here is that the relevant authorities simply didn't think to cancel and re-issue before publishing the details to the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually not that hard to get a new Australian passport issued , especially if you have as good a reason as these people .
It 's not even slightly analogous to the American SSN.The big problem here is that the relevant authorities simply did n't think to cancel and re-issue before publishing the details to the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually not that hard to get a new Australian passport issued, especially if you have as good a reason as these people.
It's not even slightly analogous to the American SSN.The big problem here is that the relevant authorities simply didn't think to cancel and re-issue before publishing the details to the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31313114</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>rhook</author>
	<datestamp>1267435440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen, they'll do the legwork up to $1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.</p></div><p>Lifelock is a scam, they charge you money to do what costs nothing. What is that you ask? All they do is put a fraud alert on your file at the three major credit agencies. You can do this yourself over the phone in 5 minutes. Once this is on file you are contacted anytime someone tries to open a new line of credit in your name.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen , they 'll do the legwork up to $ 1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.Lifelock is a scam , they charge you money to do what costs nothing .
What is that you ask ?
All they do is put a fraud alert on your file at the three major credit agencies .
You can do this yourself over the phone in 5 minutes .
Once this is on file you are contacted anytime someone tries to open a new line of credit in your name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen, they'll do the legwork up to $1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.Lifelock is a scam, they charge you money to do what costs nothing.
What is that you ask?
All they do is put a fraud alert on your file at the three major credit agencies.
You can do this yourself over the phone in 5 minutes.
Once this is on file you are contacted anytime someone tries to open a new line of credit in your name.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312132</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>vikstar</author>
	<datestamp>1267380720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>War <i> <b>of</b> </i> Terror</p></div><p>There, fixed it for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>War of TerrorThere , fixed it for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>War  of  TerrorThere, fixed it for you.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31319240</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Gilmoure</author>
	<datestamp>1267470780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or even Vancouver. The US has gotten pretty draconian about getting back in. I know the Mexico border now requires a passport (didn't used to). How about Canadia? Can you still drive across, just telling the guy at the border that you don't have any guns or drugs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or even Vancouver .
The US has gotten pretty draconian about getting back in .
I know the Mexico border now requires a passport ( did n't used to ) .
How about Canadia ?
Can you still drive across , just telling the guy at the border that you do n't have any guns or drugs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or even Vancouver.
The US has gotten pretty draconian about getting back in.
I know the Mexico border now requires a passport (didn't used to).
How about Canadia?
Can you still drive across, just telling the guy at the border that you don't have any guns or drugs?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311882</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1267377660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it was my passport that was counterfeited and I happened to be visiting, say China, at the time I'd probably prefer the government not just cancel my passport out from under me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it was my passport that was counterfeited and I happened to be visiting , say China , at the time I 'd probably prefer the government not just cancel my passport out from under me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it was my passport that was counterfeited and I happened to be visiting, say China, at the time I'd probably prefer the government not just cancel my passport out from under me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311700</id>
	<title>Obscure the details.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release. It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers. Others broadcast the details without editing. I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release .
It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers .
Others broadcast the details without editing .
I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release.
It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers.
Others broadcast the details without editing.
I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311708</id>
	<title>Sound familiar?</title>
	<author>mederbil</author>
	<datestamp>1267375560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"But although the department's site has the extra step of asking for a mother's maiden name and guarantor's name (presumably, the person who signed the passport photo and application), some implementations of Edentiti used by financial institutions simply check that the passport is valid and details are correct based on date of birth, full name and place of birth."</p></div></blockquote><p>Sounds a lot like how Sarah Palin's email got hacked to me. Asking security questions has proven to fail when someone wants someone's information.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" But although the department 's site has the extra step of asking for a mother 's maiden name and guarantor 's name ( presumably , the person who signed the passport photo and application ) , some implementations of Edentiti used by financial institutions simply check that the passport is valid and details are correct based on date of birth , full name and place of birth .
" Sounds a lot like how Sarah Palin 's email got hacked to me .
Asking security questions has proven to fail when someone wants someone 's information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But although the department's site has the extra step of asking for a mother's maiden name and guarantor's name (presumably, the person who signed the passport photo and application), some implementations of Edentiti used by financial institutions simply check that the passport is valid and details are correct based on date of birth, full name and place of birth.
"Sounds a lot like how Sarah Palin's email got hacked to me.
Asking security questions has proven to fail when someone wants someone's information.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31313466</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267439460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And we deserve a TERRORIST STATE like Israel. Basically, if it was Iran doing the same (copying foreigners passports at their main airport, making fake copies and having their Revolutionary Guard agents entering Monaco to kill some Mossad hired gun), we will probably have bombed Iran back to stone age already.<br>And I am jewish, so don't get to me with your zionist bullshit or your self-deprecating "the nazis sent us to the concentration camps" shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And we deserve a TERRORIST STATE like Israel .
Basically , if it was Iran doing the same ( copying foreigners passports at their main airport , making fake copies and having their Revolutionary Guard agents entering Monaco to kill some Mossad hired gun ) , we will probably have bombed Iran back to stone age already.And I am jewish , so do n't get to me with your zionist bullshit or your self-deprecating " the nazis sent us to the concentration camps " shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And we deserve a TERRORIST STATE like Israel.
Basically, if it was Iran doing the same (copying foreigners passports at their main airport, making fake copies and having their Revolutionary Guard agents entering Monaco to kill some Mossad hired gun), we will probably have bombed Iran back to stone age already.And I am jewish, so don't get to me with your zionist bullshit or your self-deprecating "the nazis sent us to the concentration camps" shit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31316142</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1267459140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it probably was Mossad, but the whole situation is a little odd.</p><p>Fleeing to Iran is weird certainly, the inclusion of Palestinians is odd. I don't see the use of Israeli citizen's passports as odd though, as the passports used were of people with dual citizenship and as such probably aren't seen by Mossad as "true citizens" such that they were probably treated as fair game, the fact they had British passports etc. was a bonus.</p><p>There were other odd things though- as was said, they didn't bother to do anything about the security cameras, the faked passports were easily identified as fake, sloppily so- unique identifiers on the passports for example didn't use the correct combination of letters and numbers on some of them, so not only were they not valid identifiers, but the identifiers weren't even of the right pattern.</p><p>I suspect we'll never know what happened, and I suspect Israel is at least somewhat responsible, but I do wonder perhaps if they were working with another country which wasn't quite so experienced at this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it probably was Mossad , but the whole situation is a little odd.Fleeing to Iran is weird certainly , the inclusion of Palestinians is odd .
I do n't see the use of Israeli citizen 's passports as odd though , as the passports used were of people with dual citizenship and as such probably are n't seen by Mossad as " true citizens " such that they were probably treated as fair game , the fact they had British passports etc .
was a bonus.There were other odd things though- as was said , they did n't bother to do anything about the security cameras , the faked passports were easily identified as fake , sloppily so- unique identifiers on the passports for example did n't use the correct combination of letters and numbers on some of them , so not only were they not valid identifiers , but the identifiers were n't even of the right pattern.I suspect we 'll never know what happened , and I suspect Israel is at least somewhat responsible , but I do wonder perhaps if they were working with another country which was n't quite so experienced at this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it probably was Mossad, but the whole situation is a little odd.Fleeing to Iran is weird certainly, the inclusion of Palestinians is odd.
I don't see the use of Israeli citizen's passports as odd though, as the passports used were of people with dual citizenship and as such probably aren't seen by Mossad as "true citizens" such that they were probably treated as fair game, the fact they had British passports etc.
was a bonus.There were other odd things though- as was said, they didn't bother to do anything about the security cameras, the faked passports were easily identified as fake, sloppily so- unique identifiers on the passports for example didn't use the correct combination of letters and numbers on some of them, so not only were they not valid identifiers, but the identifiers weren't even of the right pattern.I suspect we'll never know what happened, and I suspect Israel is at least somewhat responsible, but I do wonder perhaps if they were working with another country which wasn't quite so experienced at this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312914</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>verbation</author>
	<datestamp>1267476180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who said it was Israel?

And the article was about Australian accounts.

But I'm not going to deny a man his g0d-given Israel-bashing right. Proceed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who said it was Israel ?
And the article was about Australian accounts .
But I 'm not going to deny a man his g0d-given Israel-bashing right .
Proceed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who said it was Israel?
And the article was about Australian accounts.
But I'm not going to deny a man his g0d-given Israel-bashing right.
Proceed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312444</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267384920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What exactly did the Palestinians do to deserve being deported by Jewish terrorists?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly did the Palestinians do to deserve being deported by Jewish terrorists ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly did the Palestinians do to deserve being deported by Jewish terrorists?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311716</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Cougar\_</author>
	<datestamp>1267375620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their passports have not been stolen, they still have the originals in their possession. The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their passports have not been stolen , they still have the originals in their possession .
The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their passports have not been stolen, they still have the originals in their possession.
The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31312102</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>Omnifarious</author>
	<datestamp>1267380300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I would agree with you.  The passports haven't been stolen, just copied.  Copying isn't theft even in this situation in which I think the copying was unequivocally wrong.  OTOH, I would still argue that their identity has been stolen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I would agree with you .
The passports have n't been stolen , just copied .
Copying is n't theft even in this situation in which I think the copying was unequivocally wrong .
OTOH , I would still argue that their identity has been stolen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I would agree with you.
The passports haven't been stolen, just copied.
Copying isn't theft even in this situation in which I think the copying was unequivocally wrong.
OTOH, I would still argue that their identity has been stolen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31313764</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1267443780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Small harmless countries nobody cares/knows much about with diplomatic missions that are friendly to all.<br>
Their passports are loaded with anti fraud devices and should just be easy to move around with.<br>
A post ww2 multicultural population helps too.<br>
Fraud with in Australia/NZ is not too hard.<br>
A South American country might call its embassy staff and just shrug if caught - Australia/NZ would protest for longer and harder allowing deals to be done to free spies if caught.<br>
Canada is too close to the USA via DHS and politics, does not allow for such an easy transit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Small harmless countries nobody cares/knows much about with diplomatic missions that are friendly to all .
Their passports are loaded with anti fraud devices and should just be easy to move around with .
A post ww2 multicultural population helps too .
Fraud with in Australia/NZ is not too hard .
A South American country might call its embassy staff and just shrug if caught - Australia/NZ would protest for longer and harder allowing deals to be done to free spies if caught .
Canada is too close to the USA via DHS and politics , does not allow for such an easy transit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Small harmless countries nobody cares/knows much about with diplomatic missions that are friendly to all.
Their passports are loaded with anti fraud devices and should just be easy to move around with.
A post ww2 multicultural population helps too.
Fraud with in Australia/NZ is not too hard.
A South American country might call its embassy staff and just shrug if caught - Australia/NZ would protest for longer and harder allowing deals to be done to free spies if caught.
Canada is too close to the USA via DHS and politics, does not allow for such an easy transit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311828</id>
	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1267377060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They've created each other - it's truly bizzare that some people in Israel grew up to be genocidal fascists and that they they even managed to get into government.  Timing an invasion and then a pogrom in the Gaza ghetto for elections helped them stay in power, and it was counterproductive since any moderate voice on the other side became irrelevant.<br>The country deserves neither and is the only place in that part of the world where there is anything resembling the rule of law, even if it comes with something resembling apartheid</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've created each other - it 's truly bizzare that some people in Israel grew up to be genocidal fascists and that they they even managed to get into government .
Timing an invasion and then a pogrom in the Gaza ghetto for elections helped them stay in power , and it was counterproductive since any moderate voice on the other side became irrelevant.The country deserves neither and is the only place in that part of the world where there is anything resembling the rule of law , even if it comes with something resembling apartheid</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've created each other - it's truly bizzare that some people in Israel grew up to be genocidal fascists and that they they even managed to get into government.
Timing an invasion and then a pogrom in the Gaza ghetto for elections helped them stay in power, and it was counterproductive since any moderate voice on the other side became irrelevant.The country deserves neither and is the only place in that part of the world where there is anything resembling the rule of law, even if it comes with something resembling apartheid</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311706</id>
	<title>schliz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>schliz, kdawson: are you <i>absolutely sure</i> that this is public scrutiny's fault?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>schliz , kdawson : are you absolutely sure that this is public scrutiny 's fault ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>schliz, kdawson: are you absolutely sure that this is public scrutiny's fault?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It's this kind thing..</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1267462800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you really believe that, back EU and American support away from all Palestinian and Israeli organizations and governments... and then don't complain when Israel kicks the Arabs straight into Jordan.\</p><p>Westerners always get mad about their own intervention Israeli-Palestinian conflict when the side they're not on scores a point, but as long as their side wins they're perfectly happy to meddle and interfere to the hilt in the name of "peace".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you really believe that , back EU and American support away from all Palestinian and Israeli organizations and governments... and then do n't complain when Israel kicks the Arabs straight into Jordan. \ Westerners always get mad about their own intervention Israeli-Palestinian conflict when the side they 're not on scores a point , but as long as their side wins they 're perfectly happy to meddle and interfere to the hilt in the name of " peace " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you really believe that, back EU and American support away from all Palestinian and Israeli organizations and governments... and then don't complain when Israel kicks the Arabs straight into Jordan.\Westerners always get mad about their own intervention Israeli-Palestinian conflict when the side they're not on scores a point, but as long as their side wins they're perfectly happy to meddle and interfere to the hilt in the name of "peace".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311964</id>
	<title>Re:Obscure the details.</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1267378500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release. It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers. Others broadcast the details without editing. I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.</p></div><p>That's not particularly foolproof - after all if the stations have to blur out the numbers that means that the materials that were released to the stations (and thus presumably to the public at large) weren't blurred out.  So, it helps reduce but in no way eliminates the further spread of the info, but the real source of the problem is whoever gave the stations the information in first place.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release .
It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers .
Others broadcast the details without editing .
I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.That 's not particularly foolproof - after all if the stations have to blur out the numbers that means that the materials that were released to the stations ( and thus presumably to the public at large ) were n't blurred out .
So , it helps reduce but in no way eliminates the further spread of the info , but the real source of the problem is whoever gave the stations the information in first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release.
It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers.
Others broadcast the details without editing.
I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.That's not particularly foolproof - after all if the stations have to blur out the numbers that means that the materials that were released to the stations (and thus presumably to the public at large) weren't blurred out.
So, it helps reduce but in no way eliminates the further spread of the info, but the real source of the problem is whoever gave the stations the information in first place.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_01_0050251.31311958</id>
	<title>Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one?</title>
	<author>whoever57</author>
	<datestamp>1267378440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification..</p></div></blockquote><p>

The problem is not the issuance of a government ID, the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID. <br> <br>
I don't recall telling banks in the UK any government-issued ID numbers, but I haven't opened a bank account there recently.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification. . The problem is not the issuance of a government ID , the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID .
I do n't recall telling banks in the UK any government-issued ID numbers , but I have n't opened a bank account there recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification..

The problem is not the issuance of a government ID, the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID.
I don't recall telling banks in the UK any government-issued ID numbers, but I haven't opened a bank account there recently.
	</sentencetext>
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