<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_28_1718221</id>
	<title>TI-Nspire Hack Enables User Programming</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1267379940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Texas Instruments' most recent, ARM-based series of graphing calculators, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-Nspire">TI-Nspire</a> line, has long resisted users' efforts to run their own software.  (Unlike other TI calculator models, which can be programmed either in BASIC, C, or assembly language, the Nspire only supports an extremely limited form of BASIC.)  A bug in the Nspire's OS was recently discovered, however, which can be exploited to execute arbitrary machine code. Now <a href="http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/145/145908.html">the first version of a tool called Ndless has been released</a>, enabling users, for the first time, to write and run their own C and assembly programs on the device.  This opens up exciting new possibilities for these devices, which are extremely powerful compared to TI's other calculator offerings, but (thanks to the built-in software's limitations) have hitherto been largely ignored by the calculator programming community."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Texas Instruments ' most recent , ARM-based series of graphing calculators , the TI-Nspire line , has long resisted users ' efforts to run their own software .
( Unlike other TI calculator models , which can be programmed either in BASIC , C , or assembly language , the Nspire only supports an extremely limited form of BASIC .
) A bug in the Nspire 's OS was recently discovered , however , which can be exploited to execute arbitrary machine code .
Now the first version of a tool called Ndless has been released , enabling users , for the first time , to write and run their own C and assembly programs on the device .
This opens up exciting new possibilities for these devices , which are extremely powerful compared to TI 's other calculator offerings , but ( thanks to the built-in software 's limitations ) have hitherto been largely ignored by the calculator programming community .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Texas Instruments' most recent, ARM-based series of graphing calculators, the TI-Nspire line, has long resisted users' efforts to run their own software.
(Unlike other TI calculator models, which can be programmed either in BASIC, C, or assembly language, the Nspire only supports an extremely limited form of BASIC.
)  A bug in the Nspire's OS was recently discovered, however, which can be exploited to execute arbitrary machine code.
Now the first version of a tool called Ndless has been released, enabling users, for the first time, to write and run their own C and assembly programs on the device.
This opens up exciting new possibilities for these devices, which are extremely powerful compared to TI's other calculator offerings, but (thanks to the built-in software's limitations) have hitherto been largely ignored by the calculator programming community.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307922</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267387920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>based on my experience with some few of TI's managers, I would say reflexive control freakery. Can't say much more, NDA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>based on my experience with some few of TI 's managers , I would say reflexive control freakery .
Ca n't say much more , NDA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>based on my experience with some few of TI's managers, I would say reflexive control freakery.
Can't say much more, NDA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307998</id>
	<title>Re:TI-89</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267388640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The TI-89 is what a graphing calculator should be. It's sad to see that TI has gotten greedy.</p></div><p>I don't think that it is that TI has gotten greedy.  It's more that their target market is education, where the realities are that their customers expect limited functionality devices.  They don't make anything less restricted as the market for really powerful, highly programmable calculators is fairly limited, and often is better served by a full-fledged PC anyway.  (If only because the data that your using is already in the computer and you don't have to re-enter it into the calculator.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>The TI-89 is what a graphing calculator should be .
It 's sad to see that TI has gotten greedy.I do n't think that it is that TI has gotten greedy .
It 's more that their target market is education , where the realities are that their customers expect limited functionality devices .
They do n't make anything less restricted as the market for really powerful , highly programmable calculators is fairly limited , and often is better served by a full-fledged PC anyway .
( If only because the data that your using is already in the computer and you do n't have to re-enter it into the calculator .
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<sentencetext>The TI-89 is what a graphing calculator should be.
It's sad to see that TI has gotten greedy.I don't think that it is that TI has gotten greedy.
It's more that their target market is education, where the realities are that their customers expect limited functionality devices.
They don't make anything less restricted as the market for really powerful, highly programmable calculators is fairly limited, and often is better served by a full-fledged PC anyway.
(If only because the data that your using is already in the computer and you don't have to re-enter it into the calculator.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307426</id>
	<title>ti in the past never really supported assembly/c</title>
	<author>yincrash</author>
	<datestamp>1267384260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ti-82,83,85, and 86 all truly only supported t-basic<br>
all of the crazy stuff was implemented by hobbyists</htmltext>
<tokenext>ti-82,83,85 , and 86 all truly only supported t-basic all of the crazy stuff was implemented by hobbyists</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ti-82,83,85, and 86 all truly only supported t-basic
all of the crazy stuff was implemented by hobbyists</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31308408</id>
	<title>We need a cheaper calculator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267348440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>High schools and colleges need to get together and encourage industry to make a much-cheaper calculator that is "good" through college math courses that non-technical majors typically take AND good through AB/AP/etc. high school courses as well as all common college entrance exams.</p><p>In practice, this would mean 2nd or 3rd semester Calculus.</p><p>Think "one laptop per child" but a calculator.  This shouldn't run over $40 in America.</p><p>Of course, the whole idea of a hand-held dedicated student calculator that students have to spend $80+ on will be moot in a few years.   Schools and testing centers will provide calculators for on-site use and students will have "calculator apps" on their cell phones for homework.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>High schools and colleges need to get together and encourage industry to make a much-cheaper calculator that is " good " through college math courses that non-technical majors typically take AND good through AB/AP/etc .
high school courses as well as all common college entrance exams.In practice , this would mean 2nd or 3rd semester Calculus.Think " one laptop per child " but a calculator .
This should n't run over $ 40 in America.Of course , the whole idea of a hand-held dedicated student calculator that students have to spend $ 80 + on will be moot in a few years .
Schools and testing centers will provide calculators for on-site use and students will have " calculator apps " on their cell phones for homework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High schools and colleges need to get together and encourage industry to make a much-cheaper calculator that is "good" through college math courses that non-technical majors typically take AND good through AB/AP/etc.
high school courses as well as all common college entrance exams.In practice, this would mean 2nd or 3rd semester Calculus.Think "one laptop per child" but a calculator.
This shouldn't run over $40 in America.Of course, the whole idea of a hand-held dedicated student calculator that students have to spend $80+ on will be moot in a few years.
Schools and testing centers will provide calculators for on-site use and students will have "calculator apps" on their cell phones for homework.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31310274</id>
	<title>Re:What's the point?</title>
	<author>spiffmastercow</author>
	<datestamp>1267362300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not the concept I have a problem understanding, it's the target.  Compare this with, say, Nintendo DS, iPhone, or XBox hacking.  Once you crack the security on these devices, you get access to:<br> <br>
DS - 3D accellerator hardware, cool touchscreen stuff, NES style controller,<br>
iPhone - too much cool stuff to list (though not as appealing now that there's an officially supported SDK),<br>
XBox - a powerful (at the time) console that can handle network functionality and play video, or <br>
Calculator - a bunch of buttons and 100 or so monochrome pixels.<br> <br>
No doubt it was fun for the guy who cracked it to allow it to run custom code..  But I can't think of anything you could do with a handheld calculator that would really improve upon the capabilitie it had when it left the factory.  So basically what I'm saying here is that it's cool someone cracked it, but I'm having a hard time understanding why there would actually be a home brew community rallying to this platform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the concept I have a problem understanding , it 's the target .
Compare this with , say , Nintendo DS , iPhone , or XBox hacking .
Once you crack the security on these devices , you get access to : DS - 3D accellerator hardware , cool touchscreen stuff , NES style controller , iPhone - too much cool stuff to list ( though not as appealing now that there 's an officially supported SDK ) , XBox - a powerful ( at the time ) console that can handle network functionality and play video , or Calculator - a bunch of buttons and 100 or so monochrome pixels .
No doubt it was fun for the guy who cracked it to allow it to run custom code.. But I ca n't think of anything you could do with a handheld calculator that would really improve upon the capabilitie it had when it left the factory .
So basically what I 'm saying here is that it 's cool someone cracked it , but I 'm having a hard time understanding why there would actually be a home brew community rallying to this platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the concept I have a problem understanding, it's the target.
Compare this with, say, Nintendo DS, iPhone, or XBox hacking.
Once you crack the security on these devices, you get access to: 
DS - 3D accellerator hardware, cool touchscreen stuff, NES style controller,
iPhone - too much cool stuff to list (though not as appealing now that there's an officially supported SDK),
XBox - a powerful (at the time) console that can handle network functionality and play video, or 
Calculator - a bunch of buttons and 100 or so monochrome pixels.
No doubt it was fun for the guy who cracked it to allow it to run custom code..  But I can't think of anything you could do with a handheld calculator that would really improve upon the capabilitie it had when it left the factory.
So basically what I'm saying here is that it's cool someone cracked it, but I'm having a hard time understanding why there would actually be a home brew community rallying to this platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31309228</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1267354980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting. There's the answer then! They could make the thing boot anything you like, but the bootloader disables the "testing mode" LED if it's not the TI blessed firmware. Problem solved.</p><p>Had they done that, the hack would be no issue at all. Because they refused, they now have a real problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting .
There 's the answer then !
They could make the thing boot anything you like , but the bootloader disables the " testing mode " LED if it 's not the TI blessed firmware .
Problem solved.Had they done that , the hack would be no issue at all .
Because they refused , they now have a real problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.
There's the answer then!
They could make the thing boot anything you like, but the bootloader disables the "testing mode" LED if it's not the TI blessed firmware.
Problem solved.Had they done that, the hack would be no issue at all.
Because they refused, they now have a real problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307470</id>
	<title>I still love my TI-89T</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267384620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It may have an outdated processor and limited memory but I still love TI's previous flagship CAS calculator, the TI-89 Titanium.  Best part about it:  it has tons of 3rd party and user generated apps in TI-Basic, C and assembly.  It's probably still the best calculator there is for engineering professionals (unless you prefer rpn...in which case, HP is the best)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It may have an outdated processor and limited memory but I still love TI 's previous flagship CAS calculator , the TI-89 Titanium .
Best part about it : it has tons of 3rd party and user generated apps in TI-Basic , C and assembly .
It 's probably still the best calculator there is for engineering professionals ( unless you prefer rpn...in which case , HP is the best )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may have an outdated processor and limited memory but I still love TI's previous flagship CAS calculator, the TI-89 Titanium.
Best part about it:  it has tons of 3rd party and user generated apps in TI-Basic, C and assembly.
It's probably still the best calculator there is for engineering professionals (unless you prefer rpn...in which case, HP is the best)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31311922</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1267378020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>WHY do they do that? I could see if they had either some expensive dev tool you had to use to make your own powerful apps, or if they were selling a much more expensive calculator that had all the programming options unlocked, but in this case I don't see any profit in it for TI to not let people program them?</i></p><p>Your inability to program it is what makes it acceptable for certain standardized tests. If the proctor of an exam can reset your device to factory fresh condition, they can be sure that you don't have anything in the device that would give you an advantage over others. If you can modify the firmware, you can add all of the programs you want to a reset device.</p><p>If the test administrators begin to require other calcs, TI loses money.</p><p>Understand now?</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WHY do they do that ?
I could see if they had either some expensive dev tool you had to use to make your own powerful apps , or if they were selling a much more expensive calculator that had all the programming options unlocked , but in this case I do n't see any profit in it for TI to not let people program them ? Your inability to program it is what makes it acceptable for certain standardized tests .
If the proctor of an exam can reset your device to factory fresh condition , they can be sure that you do n't have anything in the device that would give you an advantage over others .
If you can modify the firmware , you can add all of the programs you want to a reset device.If the test administrators begin to require other calcs , TI loses money.Understand now ? LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHY do they do that?
I could see if they had either some expensive dev tool you had to use to make your own powerful apps, or if they were selling a much more expensive calculator that had all the programming options unlocked, but in this case I don't see any profit in it for TI to not let people program them?Your inability to program it is what makes it acceptable for certain standardized tests.
If the proctor of an exam can reset your device to factory fresh condition, they can be sure that you don't have anything in the device that would give you an advantage over others.
If you can modify the firmware, you can add all of the programs you want to a reset device.If the test administrators begin to require other calcs, TI loses money.Understand now?LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31313528</id>
	<title>Exams for example</title>
	<author>krischik</author>
	<datestamp>1267440120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What are the reasons you still limit yourself to standalone calculators? (Honest question.)</p></div><p>How about not being disqualified for cheating in an exam. Besides: in an exam where time is on the essence real buttons rule.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What are the reasons you still limit yourself to standalone calculators ?
( Honest question .
) How about not being disqualified for cheating in an exam .
Besides : in an exam where time is on the essence real buttons rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are the reasons you still limit yourself to standalone calculators?
(Honest question.
)How about not being disqualified for cheating in an exam.
Besides: in an exam where time is on the essence real buttons rule.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31310386</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1267363320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When in the real world are you going to be doing anything beyond basic math in your head anyway?</p><p>Why not just recognize that and allow full calculator use on these exams?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When in the real world are you going to be doing anything beyond basic math in your head anyway ? Why not just recognize that and allow full calculator use on these exams ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When in the real world are you going to be doing anything beyond basic math in your head anyway?Why not just recognize that and allow full calculator use on these exams?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307438</id>
	<title>No more typing 80085 and 7734!</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1267384380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I mean, I'll still do it, of course . . . but for manly reasons, as opposed to just feeling like I have some power over the machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I mean , I 'll still do it , of course .
. .
but for manly reasons , as opposed to just feeling like I have some power over the machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I mean, I'll still do it, of course .
. .
but for manly reasons, as opposed to just feeling like I have some power over the machine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31312156</id>
	<title>I'm a crusty old bastard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267380900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but (thanks to the built-in software's limitations) have hitherto been largely ignored by the calculator programming community</p></div><p>Translation: Fred Wilkins from Nebraska is simply chuffed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but ( thanks to the built-in software 's limitations ) have hitherto been largely ignored by the calculator programming communityTranslation : Fred Wilkins from Nebraska is simply chuffed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but (thanks to the built-in software's limitations) have hitherto been largely ignored by the calculator programming communityTranslation: Fred Wilkins from Nebraska is simply chuffed.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31312286</id>
	<title>Re:We need a cheaper calculator</title>
	<author>LtGordon</author>
	<datestamp>1267383120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly, once you get beyond the "cool factor", a $15 TI-30 or equivalent scientific calculator is more than enough to get you through even Calc I. Having a calculator show you the graph of a function can be useful, but is by no means necessary to <i>learn</i> the material in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , once you get beyond the " cool factor " , a $ 15 TI-30 or equivalent scientific calculator is more than enough to get you through even Calc I. Having a calculator show you the graph of a function can be useful , but is by no means necessary to learn the material in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, once you get beyond the "cool factor", a $15 TI-30 or equivalent scientific calculator is more than enough to get you through even Calc I. Having a calculator show you the graph of a function can be useful, but is by no means necessary to learn the material in the first place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307958</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>Bri3D</author>
	<datestamp>1267388280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but there are actually two entirely different TI-Nspire models (Nspire and Nspire-CAS) that differ only in software (and cost).</p><p>So if it were to become possible to flash one firmware to the other, TI would both lose money and anger standardized testing organizations (most allow only the NSpire and not the CAS, and rely on the different labelling on the hardware to ensure students are using the approved unit).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but there are actually two entirely different TI-Nspire models ( Nspire and Nspire-CAS ) that differ only in software ( and cost ) .So if it were to become possible to flash one firmware to the other , TI would both lose money and anger standardized testing organizations ( most allow only the NSpire and not the CAS , and rely on the different labelling on the hardware to ensure students are using the approved unit ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but there are actually two entirely different TI-Nspire models (Nspire and Nspire-CAS) that differ only in software (and cost).So if it were to become possible to flash one firmware to the other, TI would both lose money and anger standardized testing organizations (most allow only the NSpire and not the CAS, and rely on the different labelling on the hardware to ensure students are using the approved unit).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31308152</id>
	<title>Re:TI-89</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267389780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you can put the guts in the shell of an 86 with few noticing the difference because they just look at the color of the keycaps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you can put the guts in the shell of an 86 with few noticing the difference because they just look at the color of the keycaps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you can put the guts in the shell of an 86 with few noticing the difference because they just look at the color of the keycaps.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31309750</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>leighklotz</author>
	<datestamp>1267359060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... Sure, a few of the hardcore nerds in engineering still have their HP somethings... The TI-Nspire also features a "testing mode" LED indicator, designed to stop potential cheating...restricting geometry features on the handheld during the test.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Essentially, because it is commonly used on tests, the educational customers who drive most of the sales... would <i>really</i> like the calculator to be a "trusted" black box capable of doing only what it says on the tin, not doing arbitrary computer tasks(like storing notes, or doing symbolic integration and differentiation when the kids are supposed to be learning that).</p></div><p>So, what you're saying essentially is that HP calculators are used by people who actually do engineering, and TI calculators are used by people who are required to fit the artificial restrictions of standardized tests.</p></div>
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<tokenext>... Sure , a few of the hardcore nerds in engineering still have their HP somethings... The TI-Nspire also features a " testing mode " LED indicator , designed to stop potential cheating...restricting geometry features on the handheld during the test .
...Essentially , because it is commonly used on tests , the educational customers who drive most of the sales... would really like the calculator to be a " trusted " black box capable of doing only what it says on the tin , not doing arbitrary computer tasks ( like storing notes , or doing symbolic integration and differentiation when the kids are supposed to be learning that ) .So , what you 're saying essentially is that HP calculators are used by people who actually do engineering , and TI calculators are used by people who are required to fit the artificial restrictions of standardized tests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... Sure, a few of the hardcore nerds in engineering still have their HP somethings... The TI-Nspire also features a "testing mode" LED indicator, designed to stop potential cheating...restricting geometry features on the handheld during the test.
...Essentially, because it is commonly used on tests, the educational customers who drive most of the sales... would really like the calculator to be a "trusted" black box capable of doing only what it says on the tin, not doing arbitrary computer tasks(like storing notes, or doing symbolic integration and differentiation when the kids are supposed to be learning that).So, what you're saying essentially is that HP calculators are used by people who actually do engineering, and TI calculators are used by people who are required to fit the artificial restrictions of standardized tests.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307330</id>
	<title>TI announced a new firmware release today</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267383600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It fixes some battery reporting issues and other minor bugs.  All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It fixes some battery reporting issues and other minor bugs .
All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It fixes some battery reporting issues and other minor bugs.
All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307652</id>
	<title>Re:ti in the past never really supported assembly/</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267385880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The TI-83 did support user assembly code execution.  It was somewhat hacky support (you used the command Send(9pgrmPROGNAME rather than the clearly more obvious Asm(prgmPROGNAME command on later models), but it was available and documentation was provided by TI.</p><p>Additionally, TI released software development kits for later models (TI-83 Plus, TI-84 Plus, TI-89, TI-92 Plus) to support user programming in assembly language and C.  That said, they've really taken a step backwards in user-level coding on the TI-Nspire.  Neither do they support execution of anything other than TI-BASIC, but the BASIC programming language is extremely limited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The TI-83 did support user assembly code execution .
It was somewhat hacky support ( you used the command Send ( 9pgrmPROGNAME rather than the clearly more obvious Asm ( prgmPROGNAME command on later models ) , but it was available and documentation was provided by TI.Additionally , TI released software development kits for later models ( TI-83 Plus , TI-84 Plus , TI-89 , TI-92 Plus ) to support user programming in assembly language and C. That said , they 've really taken a step backwards in user-level coding on the TI-Nspire .
Neither do they support execution of anything other than TI-BASIC , but the BASIC programming language is extremely limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TI-83 did support user assembly code execution.
It was somewhat hacky support (you used the command Send(9pgrmPROGNAME rather than the clearly more obvious Asm(prgmPROGNAME command on later models), but it was available and documentation was provided by TI.Additionally, TI released software development kits for later models (TI-83 Plus, TI-84 Plus, TI-89, TI-92 Plus) to support user programming in assembly language and C.  That said, they've really taken a step backwards in user-level coding on the TI-Nspire.
Neither do they support execution of anything other than TI-BASIC, but the BASIC programming language is extremely limited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31311498</id>
	<title>Re:What's the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267373520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I pity the fool that never used a graphing calc... check out ticalc.org if its still around, back in my day that was the place to see what hacking the calc was about</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pity the fool that never used a graphing calc... check out ticalc.org if its still around , back in my day that was the place to see what hacking the calc was about</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pity the fool that never used a graphing calc... check out ticalc.org if its still around, back in my day that was the place to see what hacking the calc was about</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307520</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267384980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have so many cool devices to program for these days..  And hacking a calculator is about as exciting as hacking a microwave (yeah yeah, particles are excited in a microwave, but you know what i meant).</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have so many cool devices to program for these days.. And hacking a calculator is about as exciting as hacking a microwave ( yeah yeah , particles are excited in a microwave , but you know what i meant ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have so many cool devices to program for these days..  And hacking a calculator is about as exciting as hacking a microwave (yeah yeah, particles are excited in a microwave, but you know what i meant).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307926</id>
	<title>Exciting New Possibilities?</title>
	<author>pcardno</author>
	<datestamp>1267387920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure in every other story like this we lambast the original programmers for their sloppy coding and demand the heads of the managers in charge.</p><p>Any chance someone has documented the exploit that was left so that other programmers can learn how to not make programs in future? Or are bugs in software acceptable when we can all install our own crap on the device in question?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure in every other story like this we lambast the original programmers for their sloppy coding and demand the heads of the managers in charge.Any chance someone has documented the exploit that was left so that other programmers can learn how to not make programs in future ?
Or are bugs in software acceptable when we can all install our own crap on the device in question ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure in every other story like this we lambast the original programmers for their sloppy coding and demand the heads of the managers in charge.Any chance someone has documented the exploit that was left so that other programmers can learn how to not make programs in future?
Or are bugs in software acceptable when we can all install our own crap on the device in question?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307450</id>
	<title>TI-89</title>
	<author>bit trollent</author>
	<datestamp>1267384440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I knew the TI-89 was awesome, but when I bought it over 10 years ago I had no idea that in 2010 it would still be the best graphing calculator in the world.</p><p>It solves algebra problems.<br>It keeps a useful history of your equations.<br>It's user-friendly.<br>You can write simple (but graphics based) games in BASIC while you sit in class.<br>Or you can play pretty impressive assembly games while you pretend to do your homework.</p><p>The TI-89 is what a graphing calculator should be. It's sad to see that TI has gotten greedy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew the TI-89 was awesome , but when I bought it over 10 years ago I had no idea that in 2010 it would still be the best graphing calculator in the world.It solves algebra problems.It keeps a useful history of your equations.It 's user-friendly.You can write simple ( but graphics based ) games in BASIC while you sit in class.Or you can play pretty impressive assembly games while you pretend to do your homework.The TI-89 is what a graphing calculator should be .
It 's sad to see that TI has gotten greedy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew the TI-89 was awesome, but when I bought it over 10 years ago I had no idea that in 2010 it would still be the best graphing calculator in the world.It solves algebra problems.It keeps a useful history of your equations.It's user-friendly.You can write simple (but graphics based) games in BASIC while you sit in class.Or you can play pretty impressive assembly games while you pretend to do your homework.The TI-89 is what a graphing calculator should be.
It's sad to see that TI has gotten greedy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31308320</id>
	<title>TI-Calc love</title>
	<author>bartoku</author>
	<datestamp>1267347720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I loved my TI-83 in high school, what  great calculator. The TI-83 was also a great portable gaming device and my first introduction to assembly programming. I still carry my TI-89 around with me as I have yet to find a good substitute (not that I have looked very hard). But I wonder with the ubiquity of mobile phones how long it will be before it is more economical to have student download a graphing calculator app for their iPhone/iPod/Android device.<br> <br>

The latest smartphones appear to have way more processing power than the latest TI Calculator offerings, plus the phones are near competitively priced with contracts and much more practical uses beyond class than a $150 calculator offer. Seems the software is were it is at, but heck I had a TI-89 emulator for Windows. Granted on an exam it might be difficult for a teacher to curb cheating via instant messenger, but my philosophy has always been if you can cheat on an exam it is a poor exam--or at least have different forms of the exam to deter instant message cheating with in the same class.<br> <br>

TI sucks for restricting the TI-Nspire from running native code, but I can imagine reasons why they would do so. Often the calculators that students are able to use on exams and standardized tests are restricted to curb cheating. I remember having to put tape over my TI-83's IR port during the ACT exam. Really these exams should be on computers now days with a basic calculator built in to the program.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I loved my TI-83 in high school , what great calculator .
The TI-83 was also a great portable gaming device and my first introduction to assembly programming .
I still carry my TI-89 around with me as I have yet to find a good substitute ( not that I have looked very hard ) .
But I wonder with the ubiquity of mobile phones how long it will be before it is more economical to have student download a graphing calculator app for their iPhone/iPod/Android device .
The latest smartphones appear to have way more processing power than the latest TI Calculator offerings , plus the phones are near competitively priced with contracts and much more practical uses beyond class than a $ 150 calculator offer .
Seems the software is were it is at , but heck I had a TI-89 emulator for Windows .
Granted on an exam it might be difficult for a teacher to curb cheating via instant messenger , but my philosophy has always been if you can cheat on an exam it is a poor exam--or at least have different forms of the exam to deter instant message cheating with in the same class .
TI sucks for restricting the TI-Nspire from running native code , but I can imagine reasons why they would do so .
Often the calculators that students are able to use on exams and standardized tests are restricted to curb cheating .
I remember having to put tape over my TI-83 's IR port during the ACT exam .
Really these exams should be on computers now days with a basic calculator built in to the program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I loved my TI-83 in high school, what  great calculator.
The TI-83 was also a great portable gaming device and my first introduction to assembly programming.
I still carry my TI-89 around with me as I have yet to find a good substitute (not that I have looked very hard).
But I wonder with the ubiquity of mobile phones how long it will be before it is more economical to have student download a graphing calculator app for their iPhone/iPod/Android device.
The latest smartphones appear to have way more processing power than the latest TI Calculator offerings, plus the phones are near competitively priced with contracts and much more practical uses beyond class than a $150 calculator offer.
Seems the software is were it is at, but heck I had a TI-89 emulator for Windows.
Granted on an exam it might be difficult for a teacher to curb cheating via instant messenger, but my philosophy has always been if you can cheat on an exam it is a poor exam--or at least have different forms of the exam to deter instant message cheating with in the same class.
TI sucks for restricting the TI-Nspire from running native code, but I can imagine reasons why they would do so.
Often the calculators that students are able to use on exams and standardized tests are restricted to curb cheating.
I remember having to put tape over my TI-83's IR port during the ACT exam.
Really these exams should be on computers now days with a basic calculator built in to the program.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31318674</id>
	<title>Needed: Eclipse Plugin For TI Calculators</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267468380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the last few days, I've realized a need: an Eclipse plugin for programming TI calculators. The stuff put out for them by TI is outdated and not all that great in quality, probably because TI is a hardware company, not a software one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the last few days , I 've realized a need : an Eclipse plugin for programming TI calculators .
The stuff put out for them by TI is outdated and not all that great in quality , probably because TI is a hardware company , not a software one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the last few days, I've realized a need: an Eclipse plugin for programming TI calculators.
The stuff put out for them by TI is outdated and not all that great in quality, probably because TI is a hardware company, not a software one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31312244</id>
	<title>What's the point of standalone calculators?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267382400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nowadays you always got a computer running, which has more screen space, keys, processing power and features anyway.<br>Even my mobile phone can do everything a standalone scientific calculator can do, and more. Since there is a great calculator/math software for it, and since it runs Python and JavaScript anyway. Amongst others.</p><p>What are the reasons you still limit yourself to standalone calculators? (Honest question.)<br>To me it&rsquo;s as pointless as having a standalone mp3 player. My phone has great sound and lots of space. The software is whatever I choose anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nowadays you always got a computer running , which has more screen space , keys , processing power and features anyway.Even my mobile phone can do everything a standalone scientific calculator can do , and more .
Since there is a great calculator/math software for it , and since it runs Python and JavaScript anyway .
Amongst others.What are the reasons you still limit yourself to standalone calculators ?
( Honest question .
) To me it    s as pointless as having a standalone mp3 player .
My phone has great sound and lots of space .
The software is whatever I choose anyway .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nowadays you always got a computer running, which has more screen space, keys, processing power and features anyway.Even my mobile phone can do everything a standalone scientific calculator can do, and more.
Since there is a great calculator/math software for it, and since it runs Python and JavaScript anyway.
Amongst others.What are the reasons you still limit yourself to standalone calculators?
(Honest question.
)To me it’s as pointless as having a standalone mp3 player.
My phone has great sound and lots of space.
The software is whatever I choose anyway.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307802</id>
	<title>Game Boy Color Emulator</title>
	<author>allynfolksjr</author>
	<datestamp>1267386900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems the developers have had some projects stored away until Ndless was released:
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42630.html" title="ticalc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42630.html</a> [ticalc.org]
<br> <br>
From the program description: "gbc4nspire is a Game Boy and Game Boy Color emulator for the TI-Nspire and TI-Nspire CAS, written from scratch in ARM assembly"
<br> <br>
Pretty impressive, if you ask me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems the developers have had some projects stored away until Ndless was released : http : //www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42630.html [ ticalc.org ] From the program description : " gbc4nspire is a Game Boy and Game Boy Color emulator for the TI-Nspire and TI-Nspire CAS , written from scratch in ARM assembly " Pretty impressive , if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems the developers have had some projects stored away until Ndless was released:
 
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/426/42630.html [ticalc.org]
 
From the program description: "gbc4nspire is a Game Boy and Game Boy Color emulator for the TI-Nspire and TI-Nspire CAS, written from scratch in ARM assembly"
 
Pretty impressive, if you ask me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307570</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1267385280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Either it is reflexive control freakery or, more likely, it has to do with the demands of standardized testing.<br> <br>

TI's calculator division makes its money(and justifies its margins, I'm not sure that the price of a TI-83 has fallen to anything except inflation since I had to buy one back in secondary school) by being the de-facto standard calculator for education. Sure, a few of the hardcore nerds in engineering still have their HP somethings, and anybody doing real crunching will graduate to a full computer running one of the mathematical packages; but TI is it everywhere else.<br> <br>

The Wikipedia page mentions several features aimed specifically at educational testing: "The TI-Nspire also features a "testing mode" LED indicator, designed to stop potential cheating, informing test supervisors that the calculator is still denying access to saved files and possibly restricting geometry features on the handheld during the test. It also features a timer. At the end of a test, the supervisor is required to check the calculator's timer to see if it has not been removed out of "testing mode"." Essentially, because it is commonly used on tests, the educational customers who drive most of the sales(directly or indirectly, some districts purchase, some mandate, some just encourage) would <i>really</i> like the calculator to be a "trusted" black box capable of doing only what it says on the tin, not doing arbitrary computer tasks(like storing notes, or doing symbolic integration and differentiation when the kids are supposed to be learning that).<br> <br>

If it is possible for people to write their own stuff, in something more than a crippled little scripting language, it becomes possible to subvert these testing controls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either it is reflexive control freakery or , more likely , it has to do with the demands of standardized testing .
TI 's calculator division makes its money ( and justifies its margins , I 'm not sure that the price of a TI-83 has fallen to anything except inflation since I had to buy one back in secondary school ) by being the de-facto standard calculator for education .
Sure , a few of the hardcore nerds in engineering still have their HP somethings , and anybody doing real crunching will graduate to a full computer running one of the mathematical packages ; but TI is it everywhere else .
The Wikipedia page mentions several features aimed specifically at educational testing : " The TI-Nspire also features a " testing mode " LED indicator , designed to stop potential cheating , informing test supervisors that the calculator is still denying access to saved files and possibly restricting geometry features on the handheld during the test .
It also features a timer .
At the end of a test , the supervisor is required to check the calculator 's timer to see if it has not been removed out of " testing mode " .
" Essentially , because it is commonly used on tests , the educational customers who drive most of the sales ( directly or indirectly , some districts purchase , some mandate , some just encourage ) would really like the calculator to be a " trusted " black box capable of doing only what it says on the tin , not doing arbitrary computer tasks ( like storing notes , or doing symbolic integration and differentiation when the kids are supposed to be learning that ) .
If it is possible for people to write their own stuff , in something more than a crippled little scripting language , it becomes possible to subvert these testing controls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either it is reflexive control freakery or, more likely, it has to do with the demands of standardized testing.
TI's calculator division makes its money(and justifies its margins, I'm not sure that the price of a TI-83 has fallen to anything except inflation since I had to buy one back in secondary school) by being the de-facto standard calculator for education.
Sure, a few of the hardcore nerds in engineering still have their HP somethings, and anybody doing real crunching will graduate to a full computer running one of the mathematical packages; but TI is it everywhere else.
The Wikipedia page mentions several features aimed specifically at educational testing: "The TI-Nspire also features a "testing mode" LED indicator, designed to stop potential cheating, informing test supervisors that the calculator is still denying access to saved files and possibly restricting geometry features on the handheld during the test.
It also features a timer.
At the end of a test, the supervisor is required to check the calculator's timer to see if it has not been removed out of "testing mode".
" Essentially, because it is commonly used on tests, the educational customers who drive most of the sales(directly or indirectly, some districts purchase, some mandate, some just encourage) would really like the calculator to be a "trusted" black box capable of doing only what it says on the tin, not doing arbitrary computer tasks(like storing notes, or doing symbolic integration and differentiation when the kids are supposed to be learning that).
If it is possible for people to write their own stuff, in something more than a crippled little scripting language, it becomes possible to subvert these testing controls.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307584</id>
	<title>Re:WHY?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1267385400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Limited calculators for exams. That's really it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Limited calculators for exams .
That 's really it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Limited calculators for exams.
That's really it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31314702</id>
	<title>Re:What's the point of standalone calculators?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1267452840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My father was the last person to use my TI-86.  It's sat on my shelf unused for a few years (I'd not used it since I finished school; university exams didn't allow it), but he needed to do some calculations and was doing most of the work on paper.  The calculator's form factor was more useful to him while he was doing it.  </p><p>
If I'd been doing the same thing, I'd probably have used Octave, but he was more comfortable with paper.  You can think of a stand-alone calculator as a numeric coprocessor for the paper-and-brain machine.  Switching from paper to a calculator is much easier than working with paper and a computer.</p><p>
A mobile phone has the same size, approximately, but doesn't have the useful buttons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My father was the last person to use my TI-86 .
It 's sat on my shelf unused for a few years ( I 'd not used it since I finished school ; university exams did n't allow it ) , but he needed to do some calculations and was doing most of the work on paper .
The calculator 's form factor was more useful to him while he was doing it .
If I 'd been doing the same thing , I 'd probably have used Octave , but he was more comfortable with paper .
You can think of a stand-alone calculator as a numeric coprocessor for the paper-and-brain machine .
Switching from paper to a calculator is much easier than working with paper and a computer .
A mobile phone has the same size , approximately , but does n't have the useful buttons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father was the last person to use my TI-86.
It's sat on my shelf unused for a few years (I'd not used it since I finished school; university exams didn't allow it), but he needed to do some calculations and was doing most of the work on paper.
The calculator's form factor was more useful to him while he was doing it.
If I'd been doing the same thing, I'd probably have used Octave, but he was more comfortable with paper.
You can think of a stand-alone calculator as a numeric coprocessor for the paper-and-brain machine.
Switching from paper to a calculator is much easier than working with paper and a computer.
A mobile phone has the same size, approximately, but doesn't have the useful buttons.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307428</id>
	<title>WHY?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267384260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WHY do they do that?  I could see if they had either some expensive dev tool you had to use to make your own powerful apps, or if they were selling a much more expensive calculator that had all the programming options unlocked, but in this case I don't see any profit in it for TI to not let people program them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WHY do they do that ?
I could see if they had either some expensive dev tool you had to use to make your own powerful apps , or if they were selling a much more expensive calculator that had all the programming options unlocked , but in this case I do n't see any profit in it for TI to not let people program them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHY do they do that?
I could see if they had either some expensive dev tool you had to use to make your own powerful apps, or if they were selling a much more expensive calculator that had all the programming options unlocked, but in this case I don't see any profit in it for TI to not let people program them?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1718221.31307778</id>
	<title>Re:What's the point?</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1267386780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the fact that it <i>is</i> such a limited piece of hardware that makes it interesting.  These people are hackers in the most flattering sense of the term, they take resources that they have and make something more.  They get their kicks by seeing what different things they can make calculators do that they were never supposed to, and by besting TI in all things calculators.  If you can't see the value or fun in any of that, then quite simply you just lack a proper hacker mindset and I feel sorry for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the fact that it is such a limited piece of hardware that makes it interesting .
These people are hackers in the most flattering sense of the term , they take resources that they have and make something more .
They get their kicks by seeing what different things they can make calculators do that they were never supposed to , and by besting TI in all things calculators .
If you ca n't see the value or fun in any of that , then quite simply you just lack a proper hacker mindset and I feel sorry for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the fact that it is such a limited piece of hardware that makes it interesting.
These people are hackers in the most flattering sense of the term, they take resources that they have and make something more.
They get their kicks by seeing what different things they can make calculators do that they were never supposed to, and by besting TI in all things calculators.
If you can't see the value or fun in any of that, then quite simply you just lack a proper hacker mindset and I feel sorry for you.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267388760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I have absolutely no desire to own any other of those devices (iPhone, netbook, whatever). Those other devices tend to be way, way too distracting. I would never rely on those devices - or even my computer at times - to do math and science stuff because I know I would wind up just browsing the web. Some of the limitations of calculators are a blessing, such as the lack of Internet access. Of course, with this hack being released (and I do have a TI-nspire CAS calculator) this would allow the development of video games (a distraction). However, the decision to play a game is not that easy since I would have to close the document in order to play (you can only have one file opened at a time). As opposed to other devices' multitasking capabilities which would enable me to leave my documents open and do other things.</p><p>Typically, I would have my Word document open but minimized for hours while I waste time watching videos on YouTube (hell, I'm doing that right now). On my TI-nspire, for some reason, I don't always feel like closing a document just to open another. Not to mention I wouldn't be able to access the web, which I don't want to have at all times. That's why I still use calculators (that and the TI-nspire is a great work of engineering, despite manufacturer-imposed programming limitations).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have absolutely no desire to own any other of those devices ( iPhone , netbook , whatever ) .
Those other devices tend to be way , way too distracting .
I would never rely on those devices - or even my computer at times - to do math and science stuff because I know I would wind up just browsing the web .
Some of the limitations of calculators are a blessing , such as the lack of Internet access .
Of course , with this hack being released ( and I do have a TI-nspire CAS calculator ) this would allow the development of video games ( a distraction ) .
However , the decision to play a game is not that easy since I would have to close the document in order to play ( you can only have one file opened at a time ) .
As opposed to other devices ' multitasking capabilities which would enable me to leave my documents open and do other things.Typically , I would have my Word document open but minimized for hours while I waste time watching videos on YouTube ( hell , I 'm doing that right now ) .
On my TI-nspire , for some reason , I do n't always feel like closing a document just to open another .
Not to mention I would n't be able to access the web , which I do n't want to have at all times .
That 's why I still use calculators ( that and the TI-nspire is a great work of engineering , despite manufacturer-imposed programming limitations ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have absolutely no desire to own any other of those devices (iPhone, netbook, whatever).
Those other devices tend to be way, way too distracting.
I would never rely on those devices - or even my computer at times - to do math and science stuff because I know I would wind up just browsing the web.
Some of the limitations of calculators are a blessing, such as the lack of Internet access.
Of course, with this hack being released (and I do have a TI-nspire CAS calculator) this would allow the development of video games (a distraction).
However, the decision to play a game is not that easy since I would have to close the document in order to play (you can only have one file opened at a time).
As opposed to other devices' multitasking capabilities which would enable me to leave my documents open and do other things.Typically, I would have my Word document open but minimized for hours while I waste time watching videos on YouTube (hell, I'm doing that right now).
On my TI-nspire, for some reason, I don't always feel like closing a document just to open another.
Not to mention I wouldn't be able to access the web, which I don't want to have at all times.
That's why I still use calculators (that and the TI-nspire is a great work of engineering, despite manufacturer-imposed programming limitations).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:ti in the past never really supported assembly/</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1267451520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've never seen a TI-82, but I had a TI-86 and my friends had TI-85s and TI-83s, and I can assure you that they did support assembly language programming.  They didn't natively support C, but if you had a compiler that produced Z80 assembly on another platform then you could compile there and copy the code across.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never seen a TI-82 , but I had a TI-86 and my friends had TI-85s and TI-83s , and I can assure you that they did support assembly language programming .
They did n't natively support C , but if you had a compiler that produced Z80 assembly on another platform then you could compile there and copy the code across .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never seen a TI-82, but I had a TI-86 and my friends had TI-85s and TI-83s, and I can assure you that they did support assembly language programming.
They didn't natively support C, but if you had a compiler that produced Z80 assembly on another platform then you could compile there and copy the code across.</sentencetext>
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