<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_28_1249219</id>
	<title>Apple Enforces "Supplier Code of Conduct" After Child Labor Discovery</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1267366680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>reporter writes <i>"Since 2006, Apple has regularly audited its manufacturing partners to ensure that they conform to Apple's Supplier Code of Conduct (ASCC), which essentially codifies Western ethical standards with regard to the environment, labor, business conduct, etc.  Core violations of ASCC 'include abuse, underage employment, involuntary labor, falsification of audit materials, threats to worker safety, intimidation or retaliation against workers in the audit and serious threats to the environment. Apple said it requires facilities it has found to have a core violation to address the situation immediately and institute a system that insures compliance. Additionally, the facility is placed on probation and later re-audited.' Apple checks 102 facilities, most of which are located in Asia, and these facilities employ 133,000 workers. The most recent audit of Apple's partners revealed 17 violations of ASCC.  The violations include <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579\_3-10461082-37.html">hiring workers who were as young as 15 years of age</a>, incorrectly disposing of hazardous waste, and falsifying records. In Apple's recently released <a href="http://images.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/pdf/SR\_2010\_Progress\_Report.pdf">Supplier Responsibility 2010 Progress Report</a> (PDF), they condemned the violations and threatened to terminate their business with facilities that did not change their ways."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>reporter writes " Since 2006 , Apple has regularly audited its manufacturing partners to ensure that they conform to Apple 's Supplier Code of Conduct ( ASCC ) , which essentially codifies Western ethical standards with regard to the environment , labor , business conduct , etc .
Core violations of ASCC 'include abuse , underage employment , involuntary labor , falsification of audit materials , threats to worker safety , intimidation or retaliation against workers in the audit and serious threats to the environment .
Apple said it requires facilities it has found to have a core violation to address the situation immediately and institute a system that insures compliance .
Additionally , the facility is placed on probation and later re-audited .
' Apple checks 102 facilities , most of which are located in Asia , and these facilities employ 133,000 workers .
The most recent audit of Apple 's partners revealed 17 violations of ASCC .
The violations include hiring workers who were as young as 15 years of age , incorrectly disposing of hazardous waste , and falsifying records .
In Apple 's recently released Supplier Responsibility 2010 Progress Report ( PDF ) , they condemned the violations and threatened to terminate their business with facilities that did not change their ways .
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<sentencetext>reporter writes "Since 2006, Apple has regularly audited its manufacturing partners to ensure that they conform to Apple's Supplier Code of Conduct (ASCC), which essentially codifies Western ethical standards with regard to the environment, labor, business conduct, etc.
Core violations of ASCC 'include abuse, underage employment, involuntary labor, falsification of audit materials, threats to worker safety, intimidation or retaliation against workers in the audit and serious threats to the environment.
Apple said it requires facilities it has found to have a core violation to address the situation immediately and institute a system that insures compliance.
Additionally, the facility is placed on probation and later re-audited.
' Apple checks 102 facilities, most of which are located in Asia, and these facilities employ 133,000 workers.
The most recent audit of Apple's partners revealed 17 violations of ASCC.
The violations include hiring workers who were as young as 15 years of age, incorrectly disposing of hazardous waste, and falsifying records.
In Apple's recently released Supplier Responsibility 2010 Progress Report (PDF), they condemned the violations and threatened to terminate their business with facilities that did not change their ways.
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	<title>Re:Bring back the jobs to the US!</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1267383240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>There's a reason relatively little manufacturing is done in the US anymore, </i>
</p><p>
The US, with a third of China's population, still does more manufacturing than China.  US manufacturing output is still over twice that of China. US manufacturing <i>employment</i>, though, <a href="http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/08/manufacturing-output-per-worker-hits.html" title="blogspot.com">continues to drop</a> [blogspot.com].  Manufacturing automation works very well today.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason relatively little manufacturing is done in the US anymore , The US , with a third of China 's population , still does more manufacturing than China .
US manufacturing output is still over twice that of China .
US manufacturing employment , though , continues to drop [ blogspot.com ] .
Manufacturing automation works very well today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
There's a reason relatively little manufacturing is done in the US anymore, 

The US, with a third of China's population, still does more manufacturing than China.
US manufacturing output is still over twice that of China.
US manufacturing employment, though, continues to drop [blogspot.com].
Manufacturing automation works very well today.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305754</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1267372920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, I recall I was voluntarily working from as young as 13, and in fact I've worked basically every year since then. I just wanted to, it just seemed like the natural thing to do, as I've always loved making money. Gee, it never even occurred to me that I'd stumbled into being a 'victim' of child labor. I'm glad nobody "saved" me; the money I earned helped contribute to my cost of living while studying at university.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , I recall I was voluntarily working from as young as 13 , and in fact I 've worked basically every year since then .
I just wanted to , it just seemed like the natural thing to do , as I 've always loved making money .
Gee , it never even occurred to me that I 'd stumbled into being a 'victim ' of child labor .
I 'm glad nobody " saved " me ; the money I earned helped contribute to my cost of living while studying at university .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, I recall I was voluntarily working from as young as 13, and in fact I've worked basically every year since then.
I just wanted to, it just seemed like the natural thing to do, as I've always loved making money.
Gee, it never even occurred to me that I'd stumbled into being a 'victim' of child labor.
I'm glad nobody "saved" me; the money I earned helped contribute to my cost of living while studying at university.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306372</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>misfit815</author>
	<datestamp>1267377420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I started out at 15 making $5/hr assembling 386's. There's a problem here, but it's not strictly about the age. It's *what* you have 15yo's doing and under what conditions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started out at 15 making $ 5/hr assembling 386 's .
There 's a problem here , but it 's not strictly about the age .
It 's * what * you have 15yo 's doing and under what conditions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started out at 15 making $5/hr assembling 386's.
There's a problem here, but it's not strictly about the age.
It's *what* you have 15yo's doing and under what conditions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305790</id>
	<title>Re:Make it in the Third World, what do you expect?</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1267373160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since there's no Reply All in slashcode:</p><p>If they enforced it to the letter and did so strictly(given the various means for which it is ignored or circumvented), then it wouldn't be the exception to hear of good conditions and living critics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since there 's no Reply All in slashcode : If they enforced it to the letter and did so strictly ( given the various means for which it is ignored or circumvented ) , then it would n't be the exception to hear of good conditions and living critics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since there's no Reply All in slashcode:If they enforced it to the letter and did so strictly(given the various means for which it is ignored or circumvented), then it wouldn't be the exception to hear of good conditions and living critics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306326</id>
	<title>What a surprise!</title>
	<author>Dr\_Ken</author>
	<datestamp>1267377180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am shocked, (shocked!) to discover capitalists exploiting people for their own profits! Shocked I tell you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am shocked , ( shocked !
) to discover capitalists exploiting people for their own profits !
Shocked I tell you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am shocked, (shocked!
) to discover capitalists exploiting people for their own profits!
Shocked I tell you!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308466</id>
	<title>Re:This is pretty callous, even for Slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267348920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31309950</id>
	<title>The Irony is that Apple violates its own laws by..</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1267360320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>by... employing people in countries that do violate these standards. Apple, the solution is simple.. Employ more Americans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>by... employing people in countries that do violate these standards .
Apple , the solution is simple.. Employ more Americans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by... employing people in countries that do violate these standards.
Apple, the solution is simple.. Employ more Americans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306044</id>
	<title>Re:Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From page 13 of the summary report:</p><p>[quote]During most of our audits, suppliers stated that Apple was the only company that had ever audited their facility for supplier responsibility.[/quote]</p><p>IOW, other companies don't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers.</p></div><p>Two things.</p><p>First, they stated that during <b>most</b> of the audits the supplier <b>told them</b> they hadn't been audited.  Most is not defined here:  it may have been 50.1\%, with the other 49.9\% of suppliers having never been audited by anyone else because they don't supply anyone else.  On top of that, if the supplier <i>had</i> been audited by another company and found to be in breach of their standards, are they likely to tell Apple that for fear of Apple getting concerned?</p><p>Second, despite what that report implies Apple aren't the only company to do this:</p><p>"In 2008, HP conducted 129 supplier site audits...Ninety-nine of our 2008 audits were follow-up audits to measure progress in reducing nonconformances found during initial reviews...To date, we have assessed and audited (for high-risk sites) suppliers representing over 95 percent of our product materials and manufacturing spend."</p><p>"Our priorities include protecting workers&rsquo; rights, dignity and respect, raising health and safety standards, minimizing the environmental impact of producing and distributing our products, and upholding the highest standards of business ethics."</p><p>
&nbsp; (Taken from <a href="http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/supplychain/results.html" title="hp.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [hp.com] and <a href="http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/supplychain/index.html" title="hp.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [hp.com].)</p><p>I haven't even checked if any other company does it, so who knows who else does.  Bear in mind that the Apple report was written by Apple.  They're not going to kick themselves in the nuts if they can help it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From page 13 of the summary report : [ quote ] During most of our audits , suppliers stated that Apple was the only company that had ever audited their facility for supplier responsibility .
[ /quote ] IOW , other companies do n't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers.Two things.First , they stated that during most of the audits the supplier told them they had n't been audited .
Most is not defined here : it may have been 50.1 \ % , with the other 49.9 \ % of suppliers having never been audited by anyone else because they do n't supply anyone else .
On top of that , if the supplier had been audited by another company and found to be in breach of their standards , are they likely to tell Apple that for fear of Apple getting concerned ? Second , despite what that report implies Apple are n't the only company to do this : " In 2008 , HP conducted 129 supplier site audits...Ninety-nine of our 2008 audits were follow-up audits to measure progress in reducing nonconformances found during initial reviews...To date , we have assessed and audited ( for high-risk sites ) suppliers representing over 95 percent of our product materials and manufacturing spend .
" " Our priorities include protecting workers    rights , dignity and respect , raising health and safety standards , minimizing the environmental impact of producing and distributing our products , and upholding the highest standards of business ethics .
"   ( Taken from here [ hp.com ] and here [ hp.com ] .
) I have n't even checked if any other company does it , so who knows who else does .
Bear in mind that the Apple report was written by Apple .
They 're not going to kick themselves in the nuts if they can help it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From page 13 of the summary report:[quote]During most of our audits, suppliers stated that Apple was the only company that had ever audited their facility for supplier responsibility.
[/quote]IOW, other companies don't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers.Two things.First, they stated that during most of the audits the supplier told them they hadn't been audited.
Most is not defined here:  it may have been 50.1\%, with the other 49.9\% of suppliers having never been audited by anyone else because they don't supply anyone else.
On top of that, if the supplier had been audited by another company and found to be in breach of their standards, are they likely to tell Apple that for fear of Apple getting concerned?Second, despite what that report implies Apple aren't the only company to do this:"In 2008, HP conducted 129 supplier site audits...Ninety-nine of our 2008 audits were follow-up audits to measure progress in reducing nonconformances found during initial reviews...To date, we have assessed and audited (for high-risk sites) suppliers representing over 95 percent of our product materials and manufacturing spend.
""Our priorities include protecting workers’ rights, dignity and respect, raising health and safety standards, minimizing the environmental impact of producing and distributing our products, and upholding the highest standards of business ethics.
"
  (Taken from here [hp.com] and here [hp.com].
)I haven't even checked if any other company does it, so who knows who else does.
Bear in mind that the Apple report was written by Apple.
They're not going to kick themselves in the nuts if they can help it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31310148</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267361520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BadAnalogyGuy, going by your posts, you are one HELL of a proponent for economic darwinism. And as most of these proponents are, you are NOT the person that suffers as a consequence of their own policies. Why don't you donate your trust fund, move to Africa and try to survive working a daily wage for a start? Maybe once you get fired a few times for refusing to handle carcinogens without any protection, or get replaced because you complained of unsafe conditions you'll change your mind.</p><p>Anyway, keep living off of your trust fund.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BadAnalogyGuy , going by your posts , you are one HELL of a proponent for economic darwinism .
And as most of these proponents are , you are NOT the person that suffers as a consequence of their own policies .
Why do n't you donate your trust fund , move to Africa and try to survive working a daily wage for a start ?
Maybe once you get fired a few times for refusing to handle carcinogens without any protection , or get replaced because you complained of unsafe conditions you 'll change your mind.Anyway , keep living off of your trust fund .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BadAnalogyGuy, going by your posts, you are one HELL of a proponent for economic darwinism.
And as most of these proponents are, you are NOT the person that suffers as a consequence of their own policies.
Why don't you donate your trust fund, move to Africa and try to survive working a daily wage for a start?
Maybe once you get fired a few times for refusing to handle carcinogens without any protection, or get replaced because you complained of unsafe conditions you'll change your mind.Anyway, keep living off of your trust fund.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306184</id>
	<title>Re:Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>bjourne</author>
	<datestamp>1267376100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for "inventing" something the rest of the business has been doing for years. See <a href="http://www.eicc.info/" title="eicc.info" rel="nofollow">EICC</a> [eicc.info] or <a href="http://content.dell.com/us/en/corp/d/corp-comm/electronic-industry-code-of-conduct.aspx" title="dell.com" rel="nofollow">Dell's</a> [dell.com] involvement in it which started in <strong>2004</strong>. Apple has been criticized for many years for the sweatshop suppliers they use for the iPod and iPhone. And now all is forgiven because of empty ceremonial lip service?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for " inventing " something the rest of the business has been doing for years .
See EICC [ eicc.info ] or Dell 's [ dell.com ] involvement in it which started in 2004 .
Apple has been criticized for many years for the sweatshop suppliers they use for the iPod and iPhone .
And now all is forgiven because of empty ceremonial lip service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for "inventing" something the rest of the business has been doing for years.
See EICC [eicc.info] or Dell's [dell.com] involvement in it which started in 2004.
Apple has been criticized for many years for the sweatshop suppliers they use for the iPod and iPhone.
And now all is forgiven because of empty ceremonial lip service?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305424</id>
	<title>Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>AlexLibman</author>
	<datestamp>1267370580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's amazing that the mainstream public can be this economically retarded, but it isn't very surprising given that their education is controlled by the government - the very entity that benefits from these sorts of regulations.</p><p>Individuals, including children, choose to work in "sweatshops" because that is better than other alternatives available to them: backbreaking subsistence agriculture, crime, prostitution, etc.  Simply outlawing free market in labor will not make schools, hospitals, and personal wealth rain from the sky!  Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks and skyscrapers in just a couple of generations, while the "well-intentioned" socialist cesspools remain poor except for the handouts of others (often too through government force).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amazing that the mainstream public can be this economically retarded , but it is n't very surprising given that their education is controlled by the government - the very entity that benefits from these sorts of regulations.Individuals , including children , choose to work in " sweatshops " because that is better than other alternatives available to them : backbreaking subsistence agriculture , crime , prostitution , etc .
Simply outlawing free market in labor will not make schools , hospitals , and personal wealth rain from the sky !
Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks and skyscrapers in just a couple of generations , while the " well-intentioned " socialist cesspools remain poor except for the handouts of others ( often too through government force ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing that the mainstream public can be this economically retarded, but it isn't very surprising given that their education is controlled by the government - the very entity that benefits from these sorts of regulations.Individuals, including children, choose to work in "sweatshops" because that is better than other alternatives available to them: backbreaking subsistence agriculture, crime, prostitution, etc.
Simply outlawing free market in labor will not make schools, hospitals, and personal wealth rain from the sky!
Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks and skyscrapers in just a couple of generations, while the "well-intentioned" socialist cesspools remain poor except for the handouts of others (often too through government force).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31309986</id>
	<title>Re:This is pretty callous, even for Slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267360560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah buy American.  That'll work.  Price doesn't really matter.  Wal-Mart's a fluke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah buy American .
That 'll work .
Price does n't really matter .
Wal-Mart 's a fluke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah buy American.
That'll work.
Price doesn't really matter.
Wal-Mart's a fluke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305670</id>
	<title>Re:Make it in the Third World, what do you expect?</title>
	<author>DarkKnightRadick</author>
	<datestamp>1267372260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The meaningful punishment is the loss of Apple's business (which would be quite significant).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The meaningful punishment is the loss of Apple 's business ( which would be quite significant ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The meaningful punishment is the loss of Apple's business (which would be quite significant).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305996</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267374660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see your point and I knida agree, but will the press see it that way?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see your point and I knida agree , but will the press see it that way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see your point and I knida agree, but will the press see it that way?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306218</id>
	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>mobby\_6kl</author>
	<datestamp>1267376340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hong Kong. Taiwan. Most of what we now consider to be the first world.</p><p>It sucks that children have to work, but that's not the worst option in underdeveloped countries. My grandfather had to start working at around 13, and that was in the worker's paradise that was the Soviet Union.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hong Kong .
Taiwan. Most of what we now consider to be the first world.It sucks that children have to work , but that 's not the worst option in underdeveloped countries .
My grandfather had to start working at around 13 , and that was in the worker 's paradise that was the Soviet Union .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hong Kong.
Taiwan. Most of what we now consider to be the first world.It sucks that children have to work, but that's not the worst option in underdeveloped countries.
My grandfather had to start working at around 13, and that was in the worker's paradise that was the Soviet Union.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305578</id>
	<title>Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267371660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From page 13 of the summary report:</p><p>[quote]During most of our audits, suppliers stated that Apple was the only company that had ever audited their facility for supplier responsibility.[/quote]</p><p>IOW, other companies don't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers.  They might pay lip service but no one's really doing any audits to actually check.  Apple, OTOH, is going out there and digging around to make sure their suppliers are in compliance with labor and environmental standards.</p><p>New low?  This is leadership in defining a more responsible way to do business.</p></div>
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<tokenext>From page 13 of the summary report : [ quote ] During most of our audits , suppliers stated that Apple was the only company that had ever audited their facility for supplier responsibility .
[ /quote ] IOW , other companies do n't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers .
They might pay lip service but no one 's really doing any audits to actually check .
Apple , OTOH , is going out there and digging around to make sure their suppliers are in compliance with labor and environmental standards.New low ?
This is leadership in defining a more responsible way to do business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From page 13 of the summary report:[quote]During most of our audits, suppliers stated that Apple was the only company that had ever audited their facility for supplier responsibility.
[/quote]IOW, other companies don't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers.
They might pay lip service but no one's really doing any audits to actually check.
Apple, OTOH, is going out there and digging around to make sure their suppliers are in compliance with labor and environmental standards.New low?
This is leadership in defining a more responsible way to do business.
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	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1267384500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>When I was growing up, it was not unusual for 15 year old kids to work at places, even in a warehouse (but not in a factory). But they were only able to work for a limited number of hours per week, the job had to be relatively safe and they needed permission from their school to work at a job. Generally schools were allowed to choose the criteria, such as grades or behavior to allow a student to work, while still giving a principal the ability to make exceptions for students who needed to bring money home to their family badly. Usually the jobs involved cleaning up the dirt, paper and box debris that litter a warehouse. Or collecting the carts from the parking lot. Although occasionally a kid would be able to work in an electronics repair shop fixing things under supervision, or working in an automotive shop cleaning up and working on cars under supervision. I used to hang drywall boards when I was 15 during the summer, as far as I know it was perfectly legal for me to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was growing up , it was not unusual for 15 year old kids to work at places , even in a warehouse ( but not in a factory ) .
But they were only able to work for a limited number of hours per week , the job had to be relatively safe and they needed permission from their school to work at a job .
Generally schools were allowed to choose the criteria , such as grades or behavior to allow a student to work , while still giving a principal the ability to make exceptions for students who needed to bring money home to their family badly .
Usually the jobs involved cleaning up the dirt , paper and box debris that litter a warehouse .
Or collecting the carts from the parking lot .
Although occasionally a kid would be able to work in an electronics repair shop fixing things under supervision , or working in an automotive shop cleaning up and working on cars under supervision .
I used to hang drywall boards when I was 15 during the summer , as far as I know it was perfectly legal for me to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was growing up, it was not unusual for 15 year old kids to work at places, even in a warehouse (but not in a factory).
But they were only able to work for a limited number of hours per week, the job had to be relatively safe and they needed permission from their school to work at a job.
Generally schools were allowed to choose the criteria, such as grades or behavior to allow a student to work, while still giving a principal the ability to make exceptions for students who needed to bring money home to their family badly.
Usually the jobs involved cleaning up the dirt, paper and box debris that litter a warehouse.
Or collecting the carts from the parking lot.
Although occasionally a kid would be able to work in an electronics repair shop fixing things under supervision, or working in an automotive shop cleaning up and working on cars under supervision.
I used to hang drywall boards when I was 15 during the summer, as far as I know it was perfectly legal for me to work.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>For countries to grow, they must each have an Industrial Revolution where they compete with the tools available. That means low wages and often child labor. The alternative is to lose, not to bypass the process and leap straight to a modern world with union benefits in a socialist utopia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For countries to grow , they must each have an Industrial Revolution where they compete with the tools available .
That means low wages and often child labor .
The alternative is to lose , not to bypass the process and leap straight to a modern world with union benefits in a socialist utopia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For countries to grow, they must each have an Industrial Revolution where they compete with the tools available.
That means low wages and often child labor.
The alternative is to lose, not to bypass the process and leap straight to a modern world with union benefits in a socialist utopia.</sentencetext>
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	<title>A little info about the industrial revolution...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267359600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>that would clear up the confusion about what solves child labor:<br>http://mises.org/media/1160</p><p>Tip: it is not government, law, or regulations that eliminates child labor. Only an increase in the quality of life can increase the quality of life (dur) enough so kids don't have to work, and can invest their time to a more profitable future. Whatever is forced upon a people by their government or slavemasters alike cannot better their options, but will only hinder them from their original path.</p><p>What everyone here that says they're against child labor is not child labor, but slave labor. Children being forced to work is not child labor, it is slave labor just as if the child was an adult.</p><p>Before the industrial revolution, children were already working in subsistence farming, they only shifted to factory work, and times became better afterwards not due to government forbidding people to work hard, but by the raised standards of living that ensued from industrialization.</p><p>If you want a rule of thumb to follow, it is: force = bad, voluntary = good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that would clear up the confusion about what solves child labor : http : //mises.org/media/1160Tip : it is not government , law , or regulations that eliminates child labor .
Only an increase in the quality of life can increase the quality of life ( dur ) enough so kids do n't have to work , and can invest their time to a more profitable future .
Whatever is forced upon a people by their government or slavemasters alike can not better their options , but will only hinder them from their original path.What everyone here that says they 're against child labor is not child labor , but slave labor .
Children being forced to work is not child labor , it is slave labor just as if the child was an adult.Before the industrial revolution , children were already working in subsistence farming , they only shifted to factory work , and times became better afterwards not due to government forbidding people to work hard , but by the raised standards of living that ensued from industrialization.If you want a rule of thumb to follow , it is : force = bad , voluntary = good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that would clear up the confusion about what solves child labor:http://mises.org/media/1160Tip: it is not government, law, or regulations that eliminates child labor.
Only an increase in the quality of life can increase the quality of life (dur) enough so kids don't have to work, and can invest their time to a more profitable future.
Whatever is forced upon a people by their government or slavemasters alike cannot better their options, but will only hinder them from their original path.What everyone here that says they're against child labor is not child labor, but slave labor.
Children being forced to work is not child labor, it is slave labor just as if the child was an adult.Before the industrial revolution, children were already working in subsistence farming, they only shifted to factory work, and times became better afterwards not due to government forbidding people to work hard, but by the raised standards of living that ensued from industrialization.If you want a rule of thumb to follow, it is: force = bad, voluntary = good.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>sourcerror</author>
	<datestamp>1267385580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Further, as you seem to believe in the free market, let's look at it another way -- by pulling workers out of the labor pool, we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work. So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.</p></div><p>No, it means invidual workers get more, but for the average family the income stays the same. As children can't work they only mean cost and no income, so having more children will be a financial disadvantage.</p><p>But eventhough we're not considering that with child labour there'll be a higher GDP and higher investment in local infrastructure (that the businesses do for themselves).</p><p>But these are only the market effects. To actually improve living conditions, wages, education you need appropriate government policy*, it can't be done in a lasseiz fare model.</p><p>*<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.e.g. setting appropriate minimal wage, some form of free education etc.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Further , as you seem to believe in the free market , let 's look at it another way -- by pulling workers out of the labor pool , we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work .
So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.No , it means invidual workers get more , but for the average family the income stays the same .
As children ca n't work they only mean cost and no income , so having more children will be a financial disadvantage.But eventhough we 're not considering that with child labour there 'll be a higher GDP and higher investment in local infrastructure ( that the businesses do for themselves ) .But these are only the market effects .
To actually improve living conditions , wages , education you need appropriate government policy * , it ca n't be done in a lasseiz fare model .
* .e.g .
setting appropriate minimal wage , some form of free education etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Further, as you seem to believe in the free market, let's look at it another way -- by pulling workers out of the labor pool, we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work.
So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.No, it means invidual workers get more, but for the average family the income stays the same.
As children can't work they only mean cost and no income, so having more children will be a financial disadvantage.But eventhough we're not considering that with child labour there'll be a higher GDP and higher investment in local infrastructure (that the businesses do for themselves).But these are only the market effects.
To actually improve living conditions, wages, education you need appropriate government policy*, it can't be done in a lasseiz fare model.
* .e.g.
setting appropriate minimal wage, some form of free education etc.
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	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1267388760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's amazing that the mainstream public can be this economically retarded</p></div><p>Hmm, I'll say. But I don't think we're talking about the same group of people...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>but it isn't very surprising given that their education is controlled by the government</p></div><p>Tinfoil hat time, here we go!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>the very entity that benefits from these sorts of regulations.</p></div><p>The government benefits every time a child doesn't work, every time a pill doesn't kill someone, every time a student becomes a doctor or a scientist, every time a factory recalls tons of e. coli tainted beef... Well, in a sense, that's actually true, in the US, since <i>We The People</i> *are* the government.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Individuals, including children, choose to work in "sweatshops"</p></div><p>Bullshit. No child "choses" to work in a sweatshop. They are forced to by their parents, or by circumstances, but in no way do they think, "boy, I sure wish I could work 15 hours a day and get 2 pee breaks!"</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Simply outlawing free market in labor will not make schools, hospitals, and personal wealth rain from the sky!</p></div><p>No. "Socialism" does this. The free market has never, and will never, provide schools, hospitals and personal wealth to reach the masses. A truly free market school system would leave the poor uneducated. A truly free market health system would leave the poor sick.</p><p>As for child labor, no free market on the planet would *ever* eliminate it. The only way to eliminate child labor is to outlaw it outright. This is because if it's legal, <i>some</i> company is going to engage in it, and <i>some</i> children are going to be forced by their parents or by circumstances into it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks and skyscrapers in just a couple of generations, while the "well-intentioned" socialist cesspools remain poor except for the handouts of others (often too through government force).</p></div><p>No free market has ever left child labor behind. You *are* correct that free markets will lead to banks and skyscrapers, however. You are wrong that socialism leads to poor nations. What you are thinking of is communism.</p><p>The trick is to gain the benefits of capitalism (banks, skyscrapers, etc.) while avoiding its negatives (exclusion of poor people, child labor, etc.). The way to do that is with laws (outlawing certain practices) and socialism (free education and health care) *AND* capitalism (skyscrapers and banks).</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's amazing that the mainstream public can be this economically retardedHmm , I 'll say .
But I do n't think we 're talking about the same group of people...but it is n't very surprising given that their education is controlled by the governmentTinfoil hat time , here we go ! the very entity that benefits from these sorts of regulations.The government benefits every time a child does n't work , every time a pill does n't kill someone , every time a student becomes a doctor or a scientist , every time a factory recalls tons of e. coli tainted beef... Well , in a sense , that 's actually true , in the US , since We The People * are * the government.Individuals , including children , choose to work in " sweatshops " Bullshit .
No child " choses " to work in a sweatshop .
They are forced to by their parents , or by circumstances , but in no way do they think , " boy , I sure wish I could work 15 hours a day and get 2 pee breaks !
" Simply outlawing free market in labor will not make schools , hospitals , and personal wealth rain from the sky ! No .
" Socialism " does this .
The free market has never , and will never , provide schools , hospitals and personal wealth to reach the masses .
A truly free market school system would leave the poor uneducated .
A truly free market health system would leave the poor sick.As for child labor , no free market on the planet would * ever * eliminate it .
The only way to eliminate child labor is to outlaw it outright .
This is because if it 's legal , some company is going to engage in it , and some children are going to be forced by their parents or by circumstances into it.Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks and skyscrapers in just a couple of generations , while the " well-intentioned " socialist cesspools remain poor except for the handouts of others ( often too through government force ) .No free market has ever left child labor behind .
You * are * correct that free markets will lead to banks and skyscrapers , however .
You are wrong that socialism leads to poor nations .
What you are thinking of is communism.The trick is to gain the benefits of capitalism ( banks , skyscrapers , etc .
) while avoiding its negatives ( exclusion of poor people , child labor , etc. ) .
The way to do that is with laws ( outlawing certain practices ) and socialism ( free education and health care ) * AND * capitalism ( skyscrapers and banks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing that the mainstream public can be this economically retardedHmm, I'll say.
But I don't think we're talking about the same group of people...but it isn't very surprising given that their education is controlled by the governmentTinfoil hat time, here we go!the very entity that benefits from these sorts of regulations.The government benefits every time a child doesn't work, every time a pill doesn't kill someone, every time a student becomes a doctor or a scientist, every time a factory recalls tons of e. coli tainted beef... Well, in a sense, that's actually true, in the US, since We The People *are* the government.Individuals, including children, choose to work in "sweatshops"Bullshit.
No child "choses" to work in a sweatshop.
They are forced to by their parents, or by circumstances, but in no way do they think, "boy, I sure wish I could work 15 hours a day and get 2 pee breaks!
"Simply outlawing free market in labor will not make schools, hospitals, and personal wealth rain from the sky!No.
"Socialism" does this.
The free market has never, and will never, provide schools, hospitals and personal wealth to reach the masses.
A truly free market school system would leave the poor uneducated.
A truly free market health system would leave the poor sick.As for child labor, no free market on the planet would *ever* eliminate it.
The only way to eliminate child labor is to outlaw it outright.
This is because if it's legal, some company is going to engage in it, and some children are going to be forced by their parents or by circumstances into it.Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks and skyscrapers in just a couple of generations, while the "well-intentioned" socialist cesspools remain poor except for the handouts of others (often too through government force).No free market has ever left child labor behind.
You *are* correct that free markets will lead to banks and skyscrapers, however.
You are wrong that socialism leads to poor nations.
What you are thinking of is communism.The trick is to gain the benefits of capitalism (banks, skyscrapers, etc.
) while avoiding its negatives (exclusion of poor people, child labor, etc.).
The way to do that is with laws (outlawing certain practices) and socialism (free education and health care) *AND* capitalism (skyscrapers and banks).
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	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267380000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Don't worry, we're working on our own way of eliminating below-18 labor: minimum wage increases.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , we 're working on our own way of eliminating below-18 labor : minimum wage increases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, we're working on our own way of eliminating below-18 labor: minimum wage increases.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267378920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>and all unsold iPads</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and all unsold iPads</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and all unsold iPads</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Bob Battle</author>
	<datestamp>1267381920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Apple is practicing a great business model and showing good corporate ethics.  Surely this "poor nation" can find people that can work in accordance with Apple's requirements (or every one needs to get a raise).  The position will be filled by someone - the money into the country is a constant - they can still put their slave/child labor to work between 40and 80 hours a week in a support business (restaurants etc) that would not reflect poorly on Apple.  Apple sells their products at a small premium based on outstanding design and brand recognition. Brand recognition means they have to satisfy not only either own ethical standards, but those of the majority of their customers. They are right not to sully their good name with companies that violate their code of ethics and they are enforcing it at a level that is reasonable and apparently above the level of most other companies.  Heck, I would prefer if their parts were made in the US. but apparently its cheaper for us to pay high taxes, build up massive debt, and deal with unemployment, than to pay workers a living wage and expect a good work ethic.  Bravo to Apple for maintaining and enforcing reasonable standards, while turning a profit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is practicing a great business model and showing good corporate ethics .
Surely this " poor nation " can find people that can work in accordance with Apple 's requirements ( or every one needs to get a raise ) .
The position will be filled by someone - the money into the country is a constant - they can still put their slave/child labor to work between 40and 80 hours a week in a support business ( restaurants etc ) that would not reflect poorly on Apple .
Apple sells their products at a small premium based on outstanding design and brand recognition .
Brand recognition means they have to satisfy not only either own ethical standards , but those of the majority of their customers .
They are right not to sully their good name with companies that violate their code of ethics and they are enforcing it at a level that is reasonable and apparently above the level of most other companies .
Heck , I would prefer if their parts were made in the US .
but apparently its cheaper for us to pay high taxes , build up massive debt , and deal with unemployment , than to pay workers a living wage and expect a good work ethic .
Bravo to Apple for maintaining and enforcing reasonable standards , while turning a profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is practicing a great business model and showing good corporate ethics.
Surely this "poor nation" can find people that can work in accordance with Apple's requirements (or every one needs to get a raise).
The position will be filled by someone - the money into the country is a constant - they can still put their slave/child labor to work between 40and 80 hours a week in a support business (restaurants etc) that would not reflect poorly on Apple.
Apple sells their products at a small premium based on outstanding design and brand recognition.
Brand recognition means they have to satisfy not only either own ethical standards, but those of the majority of their customers.
They are right not to sully their good name with companies that violate their code of ethics and they are enforcing it at a level that is reasonable and apparently above the level of most other companies.
Heck, I would prefer if their parts were made in the US.
but apparently its cheaper for us to pay high taxes, build up massive debt, and deal with unemployment, than to pay workers a living wage and expect a good work ethic.
Bravo to Apple for maintaining and enforcing reasonable standards, while turning a profit.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Horrible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267377300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I would all rather that the children and their parents eat dirt and live in cardboard huts instead of contributing to their family's welfare. Sickening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would all rather that the children and their parents eat dirt and live in cardboard huts instead of contributing to their family 's welfare .
Sickening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would all rather that the children and their parents eat dirt and live in cardboard huts instead of contributing to their family's welfare.
Sickening.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>Duradin</author>
	<datestamp>1267378560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Which part of the summary heralds Apple's invention of this idea?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which part of the summary heralds Apple 's invention of this idea ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which part of the summary heralds Apple's invention of this idea?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>ooshna</author>
	<datestamp>1267377480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
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	<htmltext>And he had to walk uphill to and from school with no shoes in winter too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And he had to walk uphill to and from school with no shoes in winter too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And he had to walk uphill to and from school with no shoes in winter too.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Apple admits using subtle and precise child labour</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1267373700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>In its annual supplier report, Apple has admitted that its Chinese factories have employed children to build its gadgets. "Ones with a <a href="http://newstechnica.com/2010/02/28/apple-admits-using-subtle-and-precise-child-labour/" title="newstechnica.com">particularly refined sense of aesthetics</a> [newstechnica.com]."</p><p>Apple revealed the sweatshop conditions inside the factories it uses. The child workers were found in a facility with high vaulted ceilings, elegantly crafted marble work benches and a classical quartet playing in the background in a corner of the floor. Young geniuses sat in their Aerons and levitated components into place with the powers of the mind, burning the famed Apple logo into the back of the assembled device with but a glance of terrifying but controlled power. Some lunches, with only an hour's break, would involve wines of <i>less than ten years' vintage</i>.</p><p>Competitors were outraged. "We are shocked, shocked to hear of Apple's ruthless exploitation of the <i>chilll-drennn</i>," said Steve Ballmer of Microsoft. "But then, what do you expect when they actually <i>ask</i> their suppliers about this stuff. Don't ask, don't tell! That's what made the 360 great!"</p><p>Apple's Chinese manufacturing facilities were the site of controversy last year when one young worker at Foxconn, who had teleported an iPhone home overnight, was found to have committed suicide by leaping from the top of the building, first breaking his own neck, and tearing out all his own fingernails on the way down. He was found with Apple logos carved into his back, obviously also self-inflicted. "A tragedy," said the report.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In its annual supplier report , Apple has admitted that its Chinese factories have employed children to build its gadgets .
" Ones with a particularly refined sense of aesthetics [ newstechnica.com ] .
" Apple revealed the sweatshop conditions inside the factories it uses .
The child workers were found in a facility with high vaulted ceilings , elegantly crafted marble work benches and a classical quartet playing in the background in a corner of the floor .
Young geniuses sat in their Aerons and levitated components into place with the powers of the mind , burning the famed Apple logo into the back of the assembled device with but a glance of terrifying but controlled power .
Some lunches , with only an hour 's break , would involve wines of less than ten years ' vintage.Competitors were outraged .
" We are shocked , shocked to hear of Apple 's ruthless exploitation of the chilll-drennn , " said Steve Ballmer of Microsoft .
" But then , what do you expect when they actually ask their suppliers about this stuff .
Do n't ask , do n't tell !
That 's what made the 360 great !
" Apple 's Chinese manufacturing facilities were the site of controversy last year when one young worker at Foxconn , who had teleported an iPhone home overnight , was found to have committed suicide by leaping from the top of the building , first breaking his own neck , and tearing out all his own fingernails on the way down .
He was found with Apple logos carved into his back , obviously also self-inflicted .
" A tragedy , " said the report .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In its annual supplier report, Apple has admitted that its Chinese factories have employed children to build its gadgets.
"Ones with a particularly refined sense of aesthetics [newstechnica.com].
"Apple revealed the sweatshop conditions inside the factories it uses.
The child workers were found in a facility with high vaulted ceilings, elegantly crafted marble work benches and a classical quartet playing in the background in a corner of the floor.
Young geniuses sat in their Aerons and levitated components into place with the powers of the mind, burning the famed Apple logo into the back of the assembled device with but a glance of terrifying but controlled power.
Some lunches, with only an hour's break, would involve wines of less than ten years' vintage.Competitors were outraged.
"We are shocked, shocked to hear of Apple's ruthless exploitation of the chilll-drennn," said Steve Ballmer of Microsoft.
"But then, what do you expect when they actually ask their suppliers about this stuff.
Don't ask, don't tell!
That's what made the 360 great!
"Apple's Chinese manufacturing facilities were the site of controversy last year when one young worker at Foxconn, who had teleported an iPhone home overnight, was found to have committed suicide by leaping from the top of the building, first breaking his own neck, and tearing out all his own fingernails on the way down.
He was found with Apple logos carved into his back, obviously also self-inflicted.
"A tragedy," said the report.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307434</id>
	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>sourcerror</author>
	<datestamp>1267384320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.</p></div><p>My mother started doing field work at the age of seven. This was in the fifties and under socialist* government (Eastern block, Hungary).</p><p>* By socialist I mean REAL socialist (you know, a Marxist-Leninist one, which is building communism), and no, Sweden is not socialist, it's social-democrat.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We know why children labor -- because the rich are n't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.My mother started doing field work at the age of seven .
This was in the fifties and under socialist * government ( Eastern block , Hungary ) .
* By socialist I mean REAL socialist ( you know , a Marxist-Leninist one , which is building communism ) , and no , Sweden is not socialist , it 's social-democrat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.My mother started doing field work at the age of seven.
This was in the fifties and under socialist* government (Eastern block, Hungary).
* By socialist I mean REAL socialist (you know, a Marxist-Leninist one, which is building communism), and no, Sweden is not socialist, it's social-democrat.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306314</id>
	<title>Business as usual...</title>
	<author>Plekto</author>
	<datestamp>1267377060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"they condemned the violations and <b>threatened</b> to terminate their business with facilities that did not change their ways.</i></p><p>In other words, no change at all.  Just enough press coverage and feigned outrage to cover themselves and shift the blame if required to do so at a later date.  But nobody got fired.  Nor did any contract get canceled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" they condemned the violations and threatened to terminate their business with facilities that did not change their ways.In other words , no change at all .
Just enough press coverage and feigned outrage to cover themselves and shift the blame if required to do so at a later date .
But nobody got fired .
Nor did any contract get canceled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"they condemned the violations and threatened to terminate their business with facilities that did not change their ways.In other words, no change at all.
Just enough press coverage and feigned outrage to cover themselves and shift the blame if required to do so at a later date.
But nobody got fired.
Nor did any contract get canceled.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308544</id>
	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>polar red</author>
	<datestamp>1267349520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and after so many years, so many people in the US have trouble paying bills, while working very hard and many hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and after so many years , so many people in the US have trouble paying bills , while working very hard and many hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and after so many years, so many people in the US have trouble paying bills, while working very hard and many hours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307844</id>
	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1267387320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Did you read the other violations?<p><div class="quote"><p>Core violations of ASCC 'include abuse, underage employment, involuntary labor, [...]</p></div><p>Underage employment and involuntary labor often go hand in hand.  I assume involuntary labor means slavery where someone earns a wage (otherwise "involuntary labor" is just a euphemism for slavery).</p></div>
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<tokenext>Did you read the other violations ? Core violations of ASCC 'include abuse , underage employment , involuntary labor , [ ... ] Underage employment and involuntary labor often go hand in hand .
I assume involuntary labor means slavery where someone earns a wage ( otherwise " involuntary labor " is just a euphemism for slavery ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you read the other violations?Core violations of ASCC 'include abuse, underage employment, involuntary labor, [...]Underage employment and involuntary labor often go hand in hand.
I assume involuntary labor means slavery where someone earns a wage (otherwise "involuntary labor" is just a euphemism for slavery).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31313032</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1267434300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How typical of the western attitude towards such things. Alright, suppose that we could enforce working conditions in every country on earth such that non-labor costs of doing business were substantially similar in just about every respect. What would be the result of that theoretical policy? Many of the people presently working in the aforementioned countries would not be able to compete with better educated and more productive workers in other more developed nations. In the absence of any useful work to perform the people who were before merely poor and working in poor conditions, or as you chose to put it "exploited", are now starving to death because you have removed from them the only job they could reasonably perform. Now of course, not all of them would starve to death, but there is a limit to the number of people that can be supported in subsistence agriculture and the present population in much of the world is already above that carrying capacity (i.e. in the absence of modern technology and the green revolution these people never would have been). The answer is not to render poor people unemployable by imposing first world style US or European regulations on them. Economic development must come first, even at the expense of better working conditions or standards; otherwise you are just kicking people off the bottom rung of the economic ladder and back into the dust. You aren't really helping them by doing this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How typical of the western attitude towards such things .
Alright , suppose that we could enforce working conditions in every country on earth such that non-labor costs of doing business were substantially similar in just about every respect .
What would be the result of that theoretical policy ?
Many of the people presently working in the aforementioned countries would not be able to compete with better educated and more productive workers in other more developed nations .
In the absence of any useful work to perform the people who were before merely poor and working in poor conditions , or as you chose to put it " exploited " , are now starving to death because you have removed from them the only job they could reasonably perform .
Now of course , not all of them would starve to death , but there is a limit to the number of people that can be supported in subsistence agriculture and the present population in much of the world is already above that carrying capacity ( i.e .
in the absence of modern technology and the green revolution these people never would have been ) .
The answer is not to render poor people unemployable by imposing first world style US or European regulations on them .
Economic development must come first , even at the expense of better working conditions or standards ; otherwise you are just kicking people off the bottom rung of the economic ladder and back into the dust .
You are n't really helping them by doing this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How typical of the western attitude towards such things.
Alright, suppose that we could enforce working conditions in every country on earth such that non-labor costs of doing business were substantially similar in just about every respect.
What would be the result of that theoretical policy?
Many of the people presently working in the aforementioned countries would not be able to compete with better educated and more productive workers in other more developed nations.
In the absence of any useful work to perform the people who were before merely poor and working in poor conditions, or as you chose to put it "exploited", are now starving to death because you have removed from them the only job they could reasonably perform.
Now of course, not all of them would starve to death, but there is a limit to the number of people that can be supported in subsistence agriculture and the present population in much of the world is already above that carrying capacity (i.e.
in the absence of modern technology and the green revolution these people never would have been).
The answer is not to render poor people unemployable by imposing first world style US or European regulations on them.
Economic development must come first, even at the expense of better working conditions or standards; otherwise you are just kicking people off the bottom rung of the economic ladder and back into the dust.
You aren't really helping them by doing this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31322698</id>
	<title>Re:Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1267440540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or other companies rely on the nation the factory is in to enforce their own laws?<br>That is honestly a valid business practice. After all do you check that every supplier of every product you buy is following any labor rules?</p><p>Of course I think the answer to this problem is to not do business with companies in countries that don't enforce even modest labor laws.</p><p>Apple could always just open factories in the US and make stuff here. In the long run it would be better for them. If you keep the money in the US the more people in the US will have more money to spend on Apple products.<br>Also I think made in the US might actually sell more items if they did it right.<br>But then I am all in favor of the idea that we have got to start making stuff again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or other companies rely on the nation the factory is in to enforce their own laws ? That is honestly a valid business practice .
After all do you check that every supplier of every product you buy is following any labor rules ? Of course I think the answer to this problem is to not do business with companies in countries that do n't enforce even modest labor laws.Apple could always just open factories in the US and make stuff here .
In the long run it would be better for them .
If you keep the money in the US the more people in the US will have more money to spend on Apple products.Also I think made in the US might actually sell more items if they did it right.But then I am all in favor of the idea that we have got to start making stuff again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or other companies rely on the nation the factory is in to enforce their own laws?That is honestly a valid business practice.
After all do you check that every supplier of every product you buy is following any labor rules?Of course I think the answer to this problem is to not do business with companies in countries that don't enforce even modest labor laws.Apple could always just open factories in the US and make stuff here.
In the long run it would be better for them.
If you keep the money in the US the more people in the US will have more money to spend on Apple products.Also I think made in the US might actually sell more items if they did it right.But then I am all in favor of the idea that we have got to start making stuff again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308098</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1267389420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hiring 15 year olds is illegal? Quick, someone tell the authorities about McDonalds!</p></div><p>I usually see an 18 yo high school graduate who learned spanish as a second language acting as a translator for a crew of very responsible and capable adults in their 30's and 40's.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hiring 15 year olds is illegal ?
Quick , someone tell the authorities about McDonalds ! I usually see an 18 yo high school graduate who learned spanish as a second language acting as a translator for a crew of very responsible and capable adults in their 30 's and 40 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hiring 15 year olds is illegal?
Quick, someone tell the authorities about McDonalds!I usually see an 18 yo high school graduate who learned spanish as a second language acting as a translator for a crew of very responsible and capable adults in their 30's and 40's.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306118</id>
	<title>Re:With the mac pro costing about $1000-$1100 more</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE USA!.</p></div><p>I agree. The product would cost more and the quality would be worse... BUT IT WOULD BE MADE IN THE USA!</p></div>
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<tokenext>IT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE USA ! .I agree .
The product would cost more and the quality would be worse... BUT IT WOULD BE MADE IN THE USA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE USA!.I agree.
The product would cost more and the quality would be worse... BUT IT WOULD BE MADE IN THE USA!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305472</id>
	<title>Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267371060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In these countries, many families struggle to put food on the table. By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories, these families are better able to care for each other.</p><p>These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants. They are electronics assembly lines. Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper. No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.</p><p>Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense, but in poor countries, having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.</p><p>I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas. It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children. But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In these countries , many families struggle to put food on the table .
By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories , these families are better able to care for each other.These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants .
They are electronics assembly lines .
Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper .
No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense , but in poor countries , having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.I ca n't believe I 'm reading about Apple , of all companies , enforcing regulations like these overseas .
It 's more White Man 's Burden than Protect The Children .
But really , when you think about it , those two concepts are essentially the same , and it reeks of condescension .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In these countries, many families struggle to put food on the table.
By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories, these families are better able to care for each other.These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants.
They are electronics assembly lines.
Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper.
No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense, but in poor countries, having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas.
It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children.
But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308712</id>
	<title>Re:What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267350840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But who will think of the black turtles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But who will think of the black turtles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But who will think of the black turtles?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31310342</id>
	<title>Hexane contamination - is Apple to blame?</title>
	<author>UBfusion</author>
	<datestamp>1267362840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to a recent Globalpost article (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/china-and-its-neighbors/100225/silicon-sweatshops-apple), at least 62 workers are sick from toxic chemical exposure while handling hexane, which is used to clean the TFT screens used in Apple (and Nokia) products.</p><p>If Apple makes efforts to circumvent the Westerners' ethical problem of child labor, shouldn't they make hundredfold efforts to ensure that proper safety precautions are used in these factories?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to a recent Globalpost article ( http : //www.globalpost.com/dispatch/china-and-its-neighbors/100225/silicon-sweatshops-apple ) , at least 62 workers are sick from toxic chemical exposure while handling hexane , which is used to clean the TFT screens used in Apple ( and Nokia ) products.If Apple makes efforts to circumvent the Westerners ' ethical problem of child labor , should n't they make hundredfold efforts to ensure that proper safety precautions are used in these factories ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to a recent Globalpost article (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/china-and-its-neighbors/100225/silicon-sweatshops-apple), at least 62 workers are sick from toxic chemical exposure while handling hexane, which is used to clean the TFT screens used in Apple (and Nokia) products.If Apple makes efforts to circumvent the Westerners' ethical problem of child labor, shouldn't they make hundredfold efforts to ensure that proper safety precautions are used in these factories?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305738</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Xugumad</author>
	<datestamp>1267372680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas.</p><p>Really? Every time there's even a hint that Apple's subcontractors are hiring underage workers, or not paying them enough, or have dangerous conditions I see a dozen articles about how soul-suckingly evil Apple must be to allow this to go on (behind their back). Of course they're going to enforce the regulations...</p><p>I'm inclined to agree though. Addressing the issue of child labor in poor countries by firing all the children is not a solution. A much more useful response would be to examine the situation of these 15 year olds (are they pushed into it by a family that's just being greedy, or by circumstances) and to resolve the underlying cause, not just ban the situation and hope everything works out.</p><p>Reminds me of a lot of the arguments against prostitution (that the women are forced into it by being poor, which clearly leads to the conclusion that making prostitution illegal will stop people being poor).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I ca n't believe I 'm reading about Apple , of all companies , enforcing regulations like these overseas.Really ?
Every time there 's even a hint that Apple 's subcontractors are hiring underage workers , or not paying them enough , or have dangerous conditions I see a dozen articles about how soul-suckingly evil Apple must be to allow this to go on ( behind their back ) .
Of course they 're going to enforce the regulations...I 'm inclined to agree though .
Addressing the issue of child labor in poor countries by firing all the children is not a solution .
A much more useful response would be to examine the situation of these 15 year olds ( are they pushed into it by a family that 's just being greedy , or by circumstances ) and to resolve the underlying cause , not just ban the situation and hope everything works out.Reminds me of a lot of the arguments against prostitution ( that the women are forced into it by being poor , which clearly leads to the conclusion that making prostitution illegal will stop people being poor ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas.Really?
Every time there's even a hint that Apple's subcontractors are hiring underage workers, or not paying them enough, or have dangerous conditions I see a dozen articles about how soul-suckingly evil Apple must be to allow this to go on (behind their back).
Of course they're going to enforce the regulations...I'm inclined to agree though.
Addressing the issue of child labor in poor countries by firing all the children is not a solution.
A much more useful response would be to examine the situation of these 15 year olds (are they pushed into it by a family that's just being greedy, or by circumstances) and to resolve the underlying cause, not just ban the situation and hope everything works out.Reminds me of a lot of the arguments against prostitution (that the women are forced into it by being poor, which clearly leads to the conclusion that making prostitution illegal will stop people being poor).</sentencetext>
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	<title>The 19th century called...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267379940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... they want their Communist Manifesto back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... they want their Communist Manifesto back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... they want their Communist Manifesto back.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1267372860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is something lacking in that train of thought.  I think what is lacking is foresight and long-term thinking.</p><p>We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.  So what are the alternatives?  Of course -- have more children who can them in turn, earn money.  The problem with this?  The children, and by extension, the workforce becomes very uneducated... even more than in places where the government controls education.  Spending one's learning years at work means bad things for the future of a workforce and for a community.  The whole point of child labor laws is to allow children to become educated and to decide for themselves what they will do with their lives when they are old enough.</p><p>Without this regulation against the free market, the market would drive its labor force to death and into animal-like stupidity.</p><p>Further, as you seem to believe in the free market, let's look at it another way -- by pulling workers out of the labor pool, we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work.  So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.</p><p>The very idea of nations "growing up" more quickly using the broken backs of 10 year olds is simply too repugnant to discuss.  Even if this were viewed as a grand sacrifice, we know that only very few would benefit from this growth while the masses would remain in suffering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is something lacking in that train of thought .
I think what is lacking is foresight and long-term thinking.We know why children labor -- because the rich are n't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay .
So what are the alternatives ?
Of course -- have more children who can them in turn , earn money .
The problem with this ?
The children , and by extension , the workforce becomes very uneducated... even more than in places where the government controls education .
Spending one 's learning years at work means bad things for the future of a workforce and for a community .
The whole point of child labor laws is to allow children to become educated and to decide for themselves what they will do with their lives when they are old enough.Without this regulation against the free market , the market would drive its labor force to death and into animal-like stupidity.Further , as you seem to believe in the free market , let 's look at it another way -- by pulling workers out of the labor pool , we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work .
So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.The very idea of nations " growing up " more quickly using the broken backs of 10 year olds is simply too repugnant to discuss .
Even if this were viewed as a grand sacrifice , we know that only very few would benefit from this growth while the masses would remain in suffering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is something lacking in that train of thought.
I think what is lacking is foresight and long-term thinking.We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.
So what are the alternatives?
Of course -- have more children who can them in turn, earn money.
The problem with this?
The children, and by extension, the workforce becomes very uneducated... even more than in places where the government controls education.
Spending one's learning years at work means bad things for the future of a workforce and for a community.
The whole point of child labor laws is to allow children to become educated and to decide for themselves what they will do with their lives when they are old enough.Without this regulation against the free market, the market would drive its labor force to death and into animal-like stupidity.Further, as you seem to believe in the free market, let's look at it another way -- by pulling workers out of the labor pool, we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work.
So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.The very idea of nations "growing up" more quickly using the broken backs of 10 year olds is simply too repugnant to discuss.
Even if this were viewed as a grand sacrifice, we know that only very few would benefit from this growth while the masses would remain in suffering.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305862</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267373700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Idiot. Most children are able work in the factories, but their place is at school so they can hope for a better life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Idiot .
Most children are able work in the factories , but their place is at school so they can hope for a better life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Idiot.
Most children are able work in the factories, but their place is at school so they can hope for a better life.</sentencetext>
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	<title>How about the others?</title>
	<author>Mordac the Preventer</author>
	<datestamp>1267375020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do any of the other manufacturers of consumer electronics do this kind of audit?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do any of the other manufacturers of consumer electronics do this kind of audit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do any of the other manufacturers of consumer electronics do this kind of audit?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307708</id>
	<title>Re:Apple reaches a new low</title>
	<author>trapnest</author>
	<datestamp>1267386180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good job bro. I have never seen more people take a troll post seriously.
A+ would lol again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good job bro .
I have never seen more people take a troll post seriously .
A + would lol again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good job bro.
I have never seen more people take a troll post seriously.
A+ would lol again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305496</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>KiahZero</author>
	<datestamp>1267371180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>In the case of the underage labor, three facilities had hired 15-year-olds in countries where the minimum employment age is 16.</p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : In the case of the underage labor , three facilities had hired 15-year-olds in countries where the minimum employment age is 16 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:In the case of the underage labor, three facilities had hired 15-year-olds in countries where the minimum employment age is 16. 
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31309782</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1267359300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you pick beans instead of going to school, though? Or just as a work on the side to have some extra pocket money?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you pick beans instead of going to school , though ?
Or just as a work on the side to have some extra pocket money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you pick beans instead of going to school, though?
Or just as a work on the side to have some extra pocket money?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305842</id>
	<title>Bring back the jobs to the US!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267373580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is all nice of Apple, but why not giving 133,000 jobs to Americans that need them.</p><p>I am happy a 15 years old is not going to be exploited in China, but I would be happier seeing Apple being a true American corporate and not a hypocrite firm that outsources jobs overseas</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all nice of Apple , but why not giving 133,000 jobs to Americans that need them.I am happy a 15 years old is not going to be exploited in China , but I would be happier seeing Apple being a true American corporate and not a hypocrite firm that outsources jobs overseas</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all nice of Apple, but why not giving 133,000 jobs to Americans that need them.I am happy a 15 years old is not going to be exploited in China, but I would be happier seeing Apple being a true American corporate and not a hypocrite firm that outsources jobs overseas</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305420</id>
	<title>What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Vinegar Joe</author>
	<datestamp>1267370580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kids get free black turtlenecks to wear after 10 years of employment. Sounds good to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kids get free black turtlenecks to wear after 10 years of employment .
Sounds good to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kids get free black turtlenecks to wear after 10 years of employment.
Sounds good to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308170</id>
	<title>Re:Bring back the jobs to the US!</title>
	<author>cyber-vandal</author>
	<datestamp>1267389900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So between the time when manufacturing workers from the developed world managed to get a decent standard of living and the time when manufacturing companies moved to outsourcing, how did any manufacturing industries make any money?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So between the time when manufacturing workers from the developed world managed to get a decent standard of living and the time when manufacturing companies moved to outsourcing , how did any manufacturing industries make any money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So between the time when manufacturing workers from the developed world managed to get a decent standard of living and the time when manufacturing companies moved to outsourcing, how did any manufacturing industries make any money?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31315732</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267457820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is disgusting to think anyone deems it appropriate to sponsor conditions on workers in other countries that they themselves would not accept.</p></div><p>Did you work for someone else?  If yes, then <b>your boss is doing this to you every day of your employment.</b></p><p>Look at <b>any company</b>, do you think their top brass would accept the proposal to work under the same condition as their drones?</p><p>Working under conditions where other people with money are unwilling to accept is exactly how most people on Earth earn money.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It is disgusting to think anyone deems it appropriate to sponsor conditions on workers in other countries that they themselves would not accept.Did you work for someone else ?
If yes , then your boss is doing this to you every day of your employment.Look at any company , do you think their top brass would accept the proposal to work under the same condition as their drones ? Working under conditions where other people with money are unwilling to accept is exactly how most people on Earth earn money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is disgusting to think anyone deems it appropriate to sponsor conditions on workers in other countries that they themselves would not accept.Did you work for someone else?
If yes, then your boss is doing this to you every day of your employment.Look at any company, do you think their top brass would accept the proposal to work under the same condition as their drones?Working under conditions where other people with money are unwilling to accept is exactly how most people on Earth earn money.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307104</id>
	<title>Re:What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267382040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine how overpriced their stuff would be without access to them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine how overpriced their stuff would be without access to them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine how overpriced their stuff would be without access to them!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307062</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267381740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In these countries, many families struggle to put food on the table. By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories, these families are better able to care for each other.</p><p>These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants. They are electronics assembly lines. Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper. No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.</p><p>Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense, but in poor countries, having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.</p><p>I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas. It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children. But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.</p></div><p>I'm sure the very same thing was said during the Industrial Revolution in every Western nation and look how well banning child labour turned out for us (overall).  Plus, if you remove 15yr olds from the job market, it becomes more competitive and should start to increase employment wages (along with education levels as kids go to school and have a better education).</p></div>
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<tokenext>In these countries , many families struggle to put food on the table .
By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories , these families are better able to care for each other.These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants .
They are electronics assembly lines .
Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper .
No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense , but in poor countries , having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.I ca n't believe I 'm reading about Apple , of all companies , enforcing regulations like these overseas .
It 's more White Man 's Burden than Protect The Children .
But really , when you think about it , those two concepts are essentially the same , and it reeks of condescension.I 'm sure the very same thing was said during the Industrial Revolution in every Western nation and look how well banning child labour turned out for us ( overall ) .
Plus , if you remove 15yr olds from the job market , it becomes more competitive and should start to increase employment wages ( along with education levels as kids go to school and have a better education ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In these countries, many families struggle to put food on the table.
By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories, these families are better able to care for each other.These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants.
They are electronics assembly lines.
Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper.
No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense, but in poor countries, having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas.
It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children.
But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.I'm sure the very same thing was said during the Industrial Revolution in every Western nation and look how well banning child labour turned out for us (overall).
Plus, if you remove 15yr olds from the job market, it becomes more competitive and should start to increase employment wages (along with education levels as kids go to school and have a better education).
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	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1267371480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that reporting a safety violation at a McDonalds in the First World isn't an implied death sentence.  It's more likely to have the violation corrected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that reporting a safety violation at a McDonalds in the First World is n't an implied death sentence .
It 's more likely to have the violation corrected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that reporting a safety violation at a McDonalds in the First World isn't an implied death sentence.
It's more likely to have the violation corrected.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This is pretty callous, even for Slashdot.</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1267347660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm going to say that the proper rebuttal is that factories are actually helping third world countries.  I say this based on what I've actually seen in third world countries.  The wages tend to be a little lower than average, but they are livable.  They give the workers experience, and a step up from subsistence farming (unless you like subsistence farming, then you could consider it a step down).  These are people who have to learn extremely basic skills, like how to wake up on time, and how to keep a schedule.<br> <br>
Furthermore no one is forced to work there.  A lot of people treat it like an entry-level job, and then move on after a few years.  I've never heard anyone complain that there are more employment opportunities than they need.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to say that the proper rebuttal is that factories are actually helping third world countries .
I say this based on what I 've actually seen in third world countries .
The wages tend to be a little lower than average , but they are livable .
They give the workers experience , and a step up from subsistence farming ( unless you like subsistence farming , then you could consider it a step down ) .
These are people who have to learn extremely basic skills , like how to wake up on time , and how to keep a schedule .
Furthermore no one is forced to work there .
A lot of people treat it like an entry-level job , and then move on after a few years .
I 've never heard anyone complain that there are more employment opportunities than they need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to say that the proper rebuttal is that factories are actually helping third world countries.
I say this based on what I've actually seen in third world countries.
The wages tend to be a little lower than average, but they are livable.
They give the workers experience, and a step up from subsistence farming (unless you like subsistence farming, then you could consider it a step down).
These are people who have to learn extremely basic skills, like how to wake up on time, and how to keep a schedule.
Furthermore no one is forced to work there.
A lot of people treat it like an entry-level job, and then move on after a few years.
I've never heard anyone complain that there are more employment opportunities than they need.</sentencetext>
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	<title>RTFA</title>
	<author>PNutts</author>
	<datestamp>1267386960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... or read the book "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.</p><p>This goes much further than hiring a 15 year old. Here's a couple of excerpts:</p><p>"The minimum age for employment or work shall be 15 years of age, the minimum age for employment in that<br>country, or the age for completing compulsory education in that country, whichever is higher." - It is the local standards enforced.</p><p>"Except in emergency or unusual situations, a workweek shall be restricted to 60 hours,<br>including overtime, and workers shall take at least one day off every seven-days. All overtime<br>shall be voluntary."</p><p>It goes on an on to specify things like safety guards on equipment, safety clothing, drinking water, toilets, etc. Things I've had even at my worst job.</p><p>Here's a generic description: "A sweatshop is a workplace where workers are subjected to extreme exploitation, including the lack of a living wages or benefits, poor and dangerous working conditions, and harsh and unnecessary discipline, such as verbal and physical abuse. Sweatshop workers are paid less than their daily expenses, thus they are never able to save any money to invest in their futures. They are trapped in a never-ending cycle (Embar, pars. 2-5)." and "Children between the ages of 10 to 16 are working up to 14 hours a day in factories in Shenzhen. It was also recorded that girls work in awful conditions for 13 to 14 hours a day from 7 a.m.- 10 p.m. with two one-hour breaks. "</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... or read the book " The Jungle " by Upton Sinclair.This goes much further than hiring a 15 year old .
Here 's a couple of excerpts : " The minimum age for employment or work shall be 15 years of age , the minimum age for employment in thatcountry , or the age for completing compulsory education in that country , whichever is higher .
" - It is the local standards enforced .
" Except in emergency or unusual situations , a workweek shall be restricted to 60 hours,including overtime , and workers shall take at least one day off every seven-days .
All overtimeshall be voluntary .
" It goes on an on to specify things like safety guards on equipment , safety clothing , drinking water , toilets , etc .
Things I 've had even at my worst job.Here 's a generic description : " A sweatshop is a workplace where workers are subjected to extreme exploitation , including the lack of a living wages or benefits , poor and dangerous working conditions , and harsh and unnecessary discipline , such as verbal and physical abuse .
Sweatshop workers are paid less than their daily expenses , thus they are never able to save any money to invest in their futures .
They are trapped in a never-ending cycle ( Embar , pars .
2-5 ) . " and " Children between the ages of 10 to 16 are working up to 14 hours a day in factories in Shenzhen .
It was also recorded that girls work in awful conditions for 13 to 14 hours a day from 7 a.m.- 10 p.m. with two one-hour breaks .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... or read the book "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.This goes much further than hiring a 15 year old.
Here's a couple of excerpts:"The minimum age for employment or work shall be 15 years of age, the minimum age for employment in thatcountry, or the age for completing compulsory education in that country, whichever is higher.
" - It is the local standards enforced.
"Except in emergency or unusual situations, a workweek shall be restricted to 60 hours,including overtime, and workers shall take at least one day off every seven-days.
All overtimeshall be voluntary.
"It goes on an on to specify things like safety guards on equipment, safety clothing, drinking water, toilets, etc.
Things I've had even at my worst job.Here's a generic description: "A sweatshop is a workplace where workers are subjected to extreme exploitation, including the lack of a living wages or benefits, poor and dangerous working conditions, and harsh and unnecessary discipline, such as verbal and physical abuse.
Sweatshop workers are paid less than their daily expenses, thus they are never able to save any money to invest in their futures.
They are trapped in a never-ending cycle (Embar, pars.
2-5)." and "Children between the ages of 10 to 16 are working up to 14 hours a day in factories in Shenzhen.
It was also recorded that girls work in awful conditions for 13 to 14 hours a day from 7 a.m.- 10 p.m. with two one-hour breaks.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267377120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i applaud your traditional thinking... your ideas show leadership in returning the world to the 17th century</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i applaud your traditional thinking... your ideas show leadership in returning the world to the 17th century</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i applaud your traditional thinking... your ideas show leadership in returning the world to the 17th century</sentencetext>
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	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>deblau</author>
	<datestamp>1267379280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple "condemned" and "threatened".  Big deal. Wake me up when they actually fire someone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple " condemned " and " threatened " .
Big deal .
Wake me up when they actually fire someone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple "condemned" and "threatened".
Big deal.
Wake me up when they actually fire someone.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>polar red</author>
	<datestamp>1267371420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks</p> </div><p>Examples ?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks Examples ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free market economies are able to go from child labor and sweatshops to banks Examples ?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306606</id>
	<title>Kudos and Catcalls</title>
	<author>assertation</author>
	<datestamp>1267378860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Catcalls:<br>Um, if you outsource your business to the 3rd world you know from the start your workers will not be treated like kings.</p><p>Kudos:<br>Apple HAS *some*  standards and DID something about it.   You can't say that about too many businesses, especially IT businesses, these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Catcalls : Um , if you outsource your business to the 3rd world you know from the start your workers will not be treated like kings.Kudos : Apple HAS * some * standards and DID something about it .
You ca n't say that about too many businesses , especially IT businesses , these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Catcalls:Um, if you outsource your business to the 3rd world you know from the start your workers will not be treated like kings.Kudos:Apple HAS *some*  standards and DID something about it.
You can't say that about too many businesses, especially IT businesses, these days.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306120</id>
	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>quadelirus</author>
	<datestamp>1267375620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay. So what are the alternatives?"
<br> <br>
Or because dad's dead and mom's debilitated. Most countries have the teenagers help out in the fields even if they don't get work in the factories. In fact, most western countries did that not so long ago. I agree with the OP above that this is less black and white than we make it out to be. A 15 year old works in a factory because it helps feed his family and that is the least heinous way for him/her to do it. If the family were already sufficiently fed, it wouldn't be happening. The problem, then, shouldn't be stated as "these countries have child labor and we should hand down our western view that this isn't okay" and more stated as "these countries are so poor that even their children have to go to work, how can we help them to become prosperous enough that this isn't required?" Simply not allowing that to happen is not the solution. What needs to happen is overall economic improvement of the country FIRSTLY, then work to lessen teenage labor since it is no longer necessary SECONDLY.
<br> <br>
It is easy for us, as westerners in developed countries, to say, "Hey we don't need child labor and we think it is kind of icky so we are going to force you not to have it." It is a lot more difficult to say "we recognize child labor is a huge problem and that the underlying problem is poverty, so instead of trying to force our laws down your throat we will try to help you out of poverty while being sensitive to where you are economically and culturally so that we can gradually negate the need for these injustices."
<br> <br>
Note that I am not saying that child labor is okay or that it is the way for a nation to grow up more quickly. What I am saying is that we need to treat the cause not the symptoms. Simply requiring countries not to have child labor is akin to lancing spots of a person with chicken pox. Sure we remove the pox from their skin, but they are left with chunks of their skin taken out and they still have the chicken pox. The only sustainable solution, then, is to treat the disease, and as it goes away we can treat the symptoms as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We know why children labor -- because the rich are n't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay .
So what are the alternatives ?
" Or because dad 's dead and mom 's debilitated .
Most countries have the teenagers help out in the fields even if they do n't get work in the factories .
In fact , most western countries did that not so long ago .
I agree with the OP above that this is less black and white than we make it out to be .
A 15 year old works in a factory because it helps feed his family and that is the least heinous way for him/her to do it .
If the family were already sufficiently fed , it would n't be happening .
The problem , then , should n't be stated as " these countries have child labor and we should hand down our western view that this is n't okay " and more stated as " these countries are so poor that even their children have to go to work , how can we help them to become prosperous enough that this is n't required ?
" Simply not allowing that to happen is not the solution .
What needs to happen is overall economic improvement of the country FIRSTLY , then work to lessen teenage labor since it is no longer necessary SECONDLY .
It is easy for us , as westerners in developed countries , to say , " Hey we do n't need child labor and we think it is kind of icky so we are going to force you not to have it .
" It is a lot more difficult to say " we recognize child labor is a huge problem and that the underlying problem is poverty , so instead of trying to force our laws down your throat we will try to help you out of poverty while being sensitive to where you are economically and culturally so that we can gradually negate the need for these injustices .
" Note that I am not saying that child labor is okay or that it is the way for a nation to grow up more quickly .
What I am saying is that we need to treat the cause not the symptoms .
Simply requiring countries not to have child labor is akin to lancing spots of a person with chicken pox .
Sure we remove the pox from their skin , but they are left with chunks of their skin taken out and they still have the chicken pox .
The only sustainable solution , then , is to treat the disease , and as it goes away we can treat the symptoms as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.
So what are the alternatives?
"
 
Or because dad's dead and mom's debilitated.
Most countries have the teenagers help out in the fields even if they don't get work in the factories.
In fact, most western countries did that not so long ago.
I agree with the OP above that this is less black and white than we make it out to be.
A 15 year old works in a factory because it helps feed his family and that is the least heinous way for him/her to do it.
If the family were already sufficiently fed, it wouldn't be happening.
The problem, then, shouldn't be stated as "these countries have child labor and we should hand down our western view that this isn't okay" and more stated as "these countries are so poor that even their children have to go to work, how can we help them to become prosperous enough that this isn't required?
" Simply not allowing that to happen is not the solution.
What needs to happen is overall economic improvement of the country FIRSTLY, then work to lessen teenage labor since it is no longer necessary SECONDLY.
It is easy for us, as westerners in developed countries, to say, "Hey we don't need child labor and we think it is kind of icky so we are going to force you not to have it.
" It is a lot more difficult to say "we recognize child labor is a huge problem and that the underlying problem is poverty, so instead of trying to force our laws down your throat we will try to help you out of poverty while being sensitive to where you are economically and culturally so that we can gradually negate the need for these injustices.
"
 
Note that I am not saying that child labor is okay or that it is the way for a nation to grow up more quickly.
What I am saying is that we need to treat the cause not the symptoms.
Simply requiring countries not to have child labor is akin to lancing spots of a person with chicken pox.
Sure we remove the pox from their skin, but they are left with chunks of their skin taken out and they still have the chicken pox.
The only sustainable solution, then, is to treat the disease, and as it goes away we can treat the symptoms as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306256</id>
	<title>All of this happened before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267376640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did they not get caught doing this same crap, and sing the same tune a few years back?<br>I seem to remember this from 2 or 3 years ago... same tune... do it again and we won't do business with you.<br>Apple is full of hot air... who will make their Chinese overpriced computers for them if they don't use these suppliers?</p><p>Stuff like this: <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/06/71138" title="wired.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/06/71138</a> [wired.com]</p><p>Ya.. Apple is really going to do something about it this time for sure... mmhmmm.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did they not get caught doing this same crap , and sing the same tune a few years back ? I seem to remember this from 2 or 3 years ago... same tune... do it again and we wo n't do business with you.Apple is full of hot air... who will make their Chinese overpriced computers for them if they do n't use these suppliers ? Stuff like this : http : //www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/06/71138 [ wired.com ] Ya.. Apple is really going to do something about it this time for sure... mmhmmm.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did they not get caught doing this same crap, and sing the same tune a few years back?I seem to remember this from 2 or 3 years ago... same tune... do it again and we won't do business with you.Apple is full of hot air... who will make their Chinese overpriced computers for them if they don't use these suppliers?Stuff like this: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/06/71138 [wired.com]Ya.. Apple is really going to do something about it this time for sure... mmhmmm.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308110</id>
	<title>Re:Bring back the jobs to the US!</title>
	<author>celle</author>
	<datestamp>1267389540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"high end or luxury niches"</p><p>Have you seen the prices for apple's garbage? They are a luxury niche.</p><p>sarcasm/ I see chasing the cheapest worker has produced real security, product quality, and stability of any kind. And why do you think that we can't get parts except from overseas, eh? It's not like the technical know how doesn't exist here, just the financial balls don't.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" high end or luxury niches " Have you seen the prices for apple 's garbage ?
They are a luxury niche.sarcasm/ I see chasing the cheapest worker has produced real security , product quality , and stability of any kind .
And why do you think that we ca n't get parts except from overseas , eh ?
It 's not like the technical know how does n't exist here , just the financial balls do n't .
/sarcasm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"high end or luxury niches"Have you seen the prices for apple's garbage?
They are a luxury niche.sarcasm/ I see chasing the cheapest worker has produced real security, product quality, and stability of any kind.
And why do you think that we can't get parts except from overseas, eh?
It's not like the technical know how doesn't exist here, just the financial balls don't.
/sarcasm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306768</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267380000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>McDonald's doesn't hire anyone under 16, ad 16 and 17 year olds have restrictions (like not being allowed to work after 9PM).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>McDonald 's does n't hire anyone under 16 , ad 16 and 17 year olds have restrictions ( like not being allowed to work after 9PM ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>McDonald's doesn't hire anyone under 16, ad 16 and 17 year olds have restrictions (like not being allowed to work after 9PM).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307830</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1267387200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck, I lived in the US and I worked picking beans at 15. And that was much harder labor than assembling electronics. (Well, I assume...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck , I lived in the US and I worked picking beans at 15 .
And that was much harder labor than assembling electronics .
( Well , I assume... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck, I lived in the US and I worked picking beans at 15.
And that was much harder labor than assembling electronics.
(Well, I assume...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307382</id>
	<title>Hypocritical crap</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1267384020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Almost everything you eat, wear or buy comes from overseas, where child labor, or slave labor conditions exist.</p><p>Slavery has never been eliminated, only renamed and exported where we wouldn't have to look at it, or more importantly, pay for it.</p><p>Apple suddenly realizing this is like suddenly noticing that the sky is blue. All the rest is PR kaka.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost everything you eat , wear or buy comes from overseas , where child labor , or slave labor conditions exist.Slavery has never been eliminated , only renamed and exported where we would n't have to look at it , or more importantly , pay for it.Apple suddenly realizing this is like suddenly noticing that the sky is blue .
All the rest is PR kaka .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost everything you eat, wear or buy comes from overseas, where child labor, or slave labor conditions exist.Slavery has never been eliminated, only renamed and exported where we wouldn't have to look at it, or more importantly, pay for it.Apple suddenly realizing this is like suddenly noticing that the sky is blue.
All the rest is PR kaka.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308094</id>
	<title>Unfair to young people</title>
	<author>joeyblades</author>
	<datestamp>1267389420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
15 years old is not too young to work, as long as the work is voluntary.
</p><p>
I got my first real job working at a gas station when I was 14 , but before that I was mowing lawns, shoveling snow, putting up hay, digging ditches, and probably a dozen other truly backbreaking activities. I did all of this because I wanted things that I couldn't afford if I didn't work. Things like a guitar and amplifier. Then later a car and gasoline. It would have sucked if I couldn't have worked when I was a kid.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>15 years old is not too young to work , as long as the work is voluntary .
I got my first real job working at a gas station when I was 14 , but before that I was mowing lawns , shoveling snow , putting up hay , digging ditches , and probably a dozen other truly backbreaking activities .
I did all of this because I wanted things that I could n't afford if I did n't work .
Things like a guitar and amplifier .
Then later a car and gasoline .
It would have sucked if I could n't have worked when I was a kid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
15 years old is not too young to work, as long as the work is voluntary.
I got my first real job working at a gas station when I was 14 , but before that I was mowing lawns, shoveling snow, putting up hay, digging ditches, and probably a dozen other truly backbreaking activities.
I did all of this because I wanted things that I couldn't afford if I didn't work.
Things like a guitar and amplifier.
Then later a car and gasoline.
It would have sucked if I couldn't have worked when I was a kid.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306576</id>
	<title>Re:Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1267378680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for "inventing" something the rest of the business has been doing for years.</p></div><p>Please provide a citation.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> See EICC [eicc.info] or Dell's [dell.com] involvement in it which started in 2004.</p></div><p>What Apple has done differently that I see, is they actually openly published the results of their audits so others can check and so the public can see how long they keep doing business with companies that violate their code of conduct. Clearly Dell and every other company has a published code of conduct created by their PR department. So far I haven't yet found any other company that has actually published the results of an audit yet, nor what companies they have stopped doing business with. Mostly I just see weasel words like about making partners progress towards less human rights violations, which does not even make it clear if they refuse to do business with companies that make no progress and don't stop these abuses, if said companies even know about it.</p><p>I'm not even excusing Apple here. I'm just saying they took one small step towards transparency and real accountability in the industry and that deserves our praise. I'll be just as loud decrying them if in two years Apple hasn't checked back, hasn't stopped doing business with these companies, and it is discovered the unfair practices have not been stopped.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for " inventing " something the rest of the business has been doing for years.Please provide a citation .
See EICC [ eicc.info ] or Dell 's [ dell.com ] involvement in it which started in 2004.What Apple has done differently that I see , is they actually openly published the results of their audits so others can check and so the public can see how long they keep doing business with companies that violate their code of conduct .
Clearly Dell and every other company has a published code of conduct created by their PR department .
So far I have n't yet found any other company that has actually published the results of an audit yet , nor what companies they have stopped doing business with .
Mostly I just see weasel words like about making partners progress towards less human rights violations , which does not even make it clear if they refuse to do business with companies that make no progress and do n't stop these abuses , if said companies even know about it.I 'm not even excusing Apple here .
I 'm just saying they took one small step towards transparency and real accountability in the industry and that deserves our praise .
I 'll be just as loud decrying them if in two years Apple has n't checked back , has n't stopped doing business with these companies , and it is discovered the unfair practices have not been stopped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for "inventing" something the rest of the business has been doing for years.Please provide a citation.
See EICC [eicc.info] or Dell's [dell.com] involvement in it which started in 2004.What Apple has done differently that I see, is they actually openly published the results of their audits so others can check and so the public can see how long they keep doing business with companies that violate their code of conduct.
Clearly Dell and every other company has a published code of conduct created by their PR department.
So far I haven't yet found any other company that has actually published the results of an audit yet, nor what companies they have stopped doing business with.
Mostly I just see weasel words like about making partners progress towards less human rights violations, which does not even make it clear if they refuse to do business with companies that make no progress and don't stop these abuses, if said companies even know about it.I'm not even excusing Apple here.
I'm just saying they took one small step towards transparency and real accountability in the industry and that deserves our praise.
I'll be just as loud decrying them if in two years Apple hasn't checked back, hasn't stopped doing business with these companies, and it is discovered the unfair practices have not been stopped.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306280</id>
	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>Nadaka</author>
	<datestamp>1267376880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The USA? My grandfather cut sugar cane 14 hours a day, 6 days a week for 25 cents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The USA ?
My grandfather cut sugar cane 14 hours a day , 6 days a week for 25 cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The USA?
My grandfather cut sugar cane 14 hours a day, 6 days a week for 25 cents.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308002</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>UnknowingFool</author>
	<datestamp>1267388640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas. It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children. But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.</p></div></blockquote><p>So instead of complaining that "OMG!!  Apple is EVIL.  They use child labor and destroy the environment!!!"  you say "OMG!!!! Apple is EVIL.  They impose their condescending Western ways on this poor Asian country.!!!"   Sounds like Apple can't win either way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe I 'm reading about Apple , of all companies , enforcing regulations like these overseas .
It 's more White Man 's Burden than Protect The Children .
But really , when you think about it , those two concepts are essentially the same , and it reeks of condescension.So instead of complaining that " OMG ! !
Apple is EVIL .
They use child labor and destroy the environment ! ! !
" you say " OMG ! ! ! !
Apple is EVIL .
They impose their condescending Western ways on this poor Asian country. ! ! !
" Sounds like Apple ca n't win either way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas.
It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children.
But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.So instead of complaining that "OMG!!
Apple is EVIL.
They use child labor and destroy the environment!!!
"  you say "OMG!!!!
Apple is EVIL.
They impose their condescending Western ways on this poor Asian country.!!!
"   Sounds like Apple can't win either way.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305970</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267374480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a violation of an employment law, but it's not an egregious child slavery operation.  15 year olds working when the minimum employment age is 16 is very different from putting 8 year olds in effective slavery in factories.  I think that was the GP poster's point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a violation of an employment law , but it 's not an egregious child slavery operation .
15 year olds working when the minimum employment age is 16 is very different from putting 8 year olds in effective slavery in factories .
I think that was the GP poster 's point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a violation of an employment law, but it's not an egregious child slavery operation.
15 year olds working when the minimum employment age is 16 is very different from putting 8 year olds in effective slavery in factories.
I think that was the GP poster's point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308624</id>
	<title>Re:Business as usual...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267350180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya gotta wonder about lame-brained comments like this, when it's obvious the poster didn't even take the time to peruse TFR.  WTG.</p><p>An F for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya got ta wonder about lame-brained comments like this , when it 's obvious the poster did n't even take the time to peruse TFR .
WTG.An F for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya gotta wonder about lame-brained comments like this, when it's obvious the poster didn't even take the time to peruse TFR.
WTG.An F for you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305616</id>
	<title>Mod parent down for supporting cronyism.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267371900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not supporting such government-business relationships is not condescending <b>at all</b>.  In a way, it is doing them a favor by providing the right incentives to end it by cutting outside support.</p><p>They aren't going to use robotics if those extra set of hands keeps them from political pursuits.  That is, political pursuits that bring an already unstable country to a ill-timed(for them, well-timed for the US) regime collapse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not supporting such government-business relationships is not condescending at all .
In a way , it is doing them a favor by providing the right incentives to end it by cutting outside support.They are n't going to use robotics if those extra set of hands keeps them from political pursuits .
That is , political pursuits that bring an already unstable country to a ill-timed ( for them , well-timed for the US ) regime collapse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not supporting such government-business relationships is not condescending at all.
In a way, it is doing them a favor by providing the right incentives to end it by cutting outside support.They aren't going to use robotics if those extra set of hands keeps them from political pursuits.
That is, political pursuits that bring an already unstable country to a ill-timed(for them, well-timed for the US) regime collapse.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wait a minute</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267379040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Times have changed. I was working in fast food when I was 14, with legal working permit from the state. There were rules; 20 hours max per week, out of the store by 10 PM. I started working at age 12 on farms in the area. No one thought this was wrong they thought it was a sign of good character.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Times have changed .
I was working in fast food when I was 14 , with legal working permit from the state .
There were rules ; 20 hours max per week , out of the store by 10 PM .
I started working at age 12 on farms in the area .
No one thought this was wrong they thought it was a sign of good character .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Times have changed.
I was working in fast food when I was 14, with legal working permit from the state.
There were rules; 20 hours max per week, out of the store by 10 PM.
I started working at age 12 on farms in the area.
No one thought this was wrong they thought it was a sign of good character.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305698</id>
	<title>Re:Make it in the Third World, what do you expect?</title>
	<author>Grygus</author>
	<datestamp>1267372440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That is, does one expect them to actually follow the rules? No.  The ASCC is a whitewash given that it has no real ability to exact meaningful punishments.</p><p>Those are about 133,000 jobs on the wrong side of the US and Western Europe - where they might actually respect the law for once.</p></div><p>Assuming that Apple is a major client and significant source of income for these companies, then they do have real clout.  Money clearly is a motivating tool for these people since that's the main benefit of child labor in the first place.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That is , does one expect them to actually follow the rules ?
No. The ASCC is a whitewash given that it has no real ability to exact meaningful punishments.Those are about 133,000 jobs on the wrong side of the US and Western Europe - where they might actually respect the law for once.Assuming that Apple is a major client and significant source of income for these companies , then they do have real clout .
Money clearly is a motivating tool for these people since that 's the main benefit of child labor in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is, does one expect them to actually follow the rules?
No.  The ASCC is a whitewash given that it has no real ability to exact meaningful punishments.Those are about 133,000 jobs on the wrong side of the US and Western Europe - where they might actually respect the law for once.Assuming that Apple is a major client and significant source of income for these companies, then they do have real clout.
Money clearly is a motivating tool for these people since that's the main benefit of child labor in the first place.
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	<title>Re:Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267377780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IOW, other companies don't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers.  They might pay lip service but no one's really doing any audits to actually check.  Apple, OTOH, is going out there and digging around to make sure their suppliers are in compliance with labor and environmental standards.</p><p>New low?  This is leadership in defining a more responsible way to do business.</p></div><p>See, and that's the new low - that's just Apple marketing to make the others look bad.</p></div>
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<tokenext>IOW , other companies do n't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers .
They might pay lip service but no one 's really doing any audits to actually check .
Apple , OTOH , is going out there and digging around to make sure their suppliers are in compliance with labor and environmental standards.New low ?
This is leadership in defining a more responsible way to do business.See , and that 's the new low - that 's just Apple marketing to make the others look bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IOW, other companies don't give a shit about abusive labor practices from their suppliers.
They might pay lip service but no one's really doing any audits to actually check.
Apple, OTOH, is going out there and digging around to make sure their suppliers are in compliance with labor and environmental standards.New low?
This is leadership in defining a more responsible way to do business.See, and that's the new low - that's just Apple marketing to make the others look bad.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305896</id>
	<title>Re:What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Bysshe</author>
	<datestamp>1267373940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Yeah... but they have to make the turtleneck themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah... but they have to make the turtleneck themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah... but they have to make the turtleneck themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305428</id>
	<title>Wait a minute</title>
	<author>Random5</author>
	<datestamp>1267370580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hiring 15 year olds is illegal? Quick, someone tell the authorities about McDonalds!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hiring 15 year olds is illegal ?
Quick , someone tell the authorities about McDonalds !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hiring 15 year olds is illegal?
Quick, someone tell the authorities about McDonalds!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306000</id>
	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267374660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> These conditions are enforced to maximise profit. When citizens of countries working under conditions like these seek redress there is an inevitable violent corporate sponsored government led  retaliation against those seeking better conditions. If after extended period of revolution violence better conditions become available, corporation simply shift t the next country to exploit their population. </p><p> Trade should not occur upon a basis of exploitation, you are importing those working conditions along with those products, don't think so, then why are corporations and their political puppets continually saying that first world workforces has to compete, not once but over and over again. Are you ready to compete, no sick pay, no holiday pay, 50 cents an hour and, unsafe work conditions as normal practice including toxic chemicals. </p><p> It is disgusting to think anyone deems it appropriate to sponsor conditions on workers in other countries that they themselves would not accept. It reeks of greed and lies to assume that somehow poor people in other countries are born to work in poverty, they are bred to be mindless factory drones from birth, cheaper than robots. </p><p> Yet look around you, at your fellow migrants, people who escpaed from those conditions who managed to gain a better life, according to you, they couldn't possibly exist because they are happy to be factory slaves so why would they leave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These conditions are enforced to maximise profit .
When citizens of countries working under conditions like these seek redress there is an inevitable violent corporate sponsored government led retaliation against those seeking better conditions .
If after extended period of revolution violence better conditions become available , corporation simply shift t the next country to exploit their population .
Trade should not occur upon a basis of exploitation , you are importing those working conditions along with those products , do n't think so , then why are corporations and their political puppets continually saying that first world workforces has to compete , not once but over and over again .
Are you ready to compete , no sick pay , no holiday pay , 50 cents an hour and , unsafe work conditions as normal practice including toxic chemicals .
It is disgusting to think anyone deems it appropriate to sponsor conditions on workers in other countries that they themselves would not accept .
It reeks of greed and lies to assume that somehow poor people in other countries are born to work in poverty , they are bred to be mindless factory drones from birth , cheaper than robots .
Yet look around you , at your fellow migrants , people who escpaed from those conditions who managed to gain a better life , according to you , they could n't possibly exist because they are happy to be factory slaves so why would they leave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> These conditions are enforced to maximise profit.
When citizens of countries working under conditions like these seek redress there is an inevitable violent corporate sponsored government led  retaliation against those seeking better conditions.
If after extended period of revolution violence better conditions become available, corporation simply shift t the next country to exploit their population.
Trade should not occur upon a basis of exploitation, you are importing those working conditions along with those products, don't think so, then why are corporations and their political puppets continually saying that first world workforces has to compete, not once but over and over again.
Are you ready to compete, no sick pay, no holiday pay, 50 cents an hour and, unsafe work conditions as normal practice including toxic chemicals.
It is disgusting to think anyone deems it appropriate to sponsor conditions on workers in other countries that they themselves would not accept.
It reeks of greed and lies to assume that somehow poor people in other countries are born to work in poverty, they are bred to be mindless factory drones from birth, cheaper than robots.
Yet look around you, at your fellow migrants, people who escpaed from those conditions who managed to gain a better life, according to you, they couldn't possibly exist because they are happy to be factory slaves so why would they leave.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305396</id>
	<title>Apple reaches a new low</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267370340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext>i thought they couldnt get any lower</htmltext>
<tokenext>i thought they couldnt get any lower</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i thought they couldnt get any lower</sentencetext>
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	<title>With the mac pro costing about $1000-$1100 more th</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267373760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>With the mac pro costing about $1000-$1100 more then a pc with a much better video card and more ram IT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE USA!</p><p>Apple laptops also are over priced $1500 for a 13" screen and on board video? $1700 for 15" and on board video is just as bad! with price like that they should be made in usa to at lest make the price not look as bad as it does now.</p><p>and the mini at $800 also shows it as well.</p><p>The imac also show it as well $1500 for core 2 and 256 vram?</p><p>I hope apple does not only use the build in i3 / i5 video in there low end systems to save even more at the same price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the mac pro costing about $ 1000- $ 1100 more then a pc with a much better video card and more ram IT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE USA ! Apple laptops also are over priced $ 1500 for a 13 " screen and on board video ?
$ 1700 for 15 " and on board video is just as bad !
with price like that they should be made in usa to at lest make the price not look as bad as it does now.and the mini at $ 800 also shows it as well.The imac also show it as well $ 1500 for core 2 and 256 vram ? I hope apple does not only use the build in i3 / i5 video in there low end systems to save even more at the same price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the mac pro costing about $1000-$1100 more then a pc with a much better video card and more ram IT SHOULD BE MADE IN THE USA!Apple laptops also are over priced $1500 for a 13" screen and on board video?
$1700 for 15" and on board video is just as bad!
with price like that they should be made in usa to at lest make the price not look as bad as it does now.and the mini at $800 also shows it as well.The imac also show it as well $1500 for core 2 and 256 vram?I hope apple does not only use the build in i3 / i5 video in there low end systems to save even more at the same price.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306430</id>
	<title>Re:Child labor laws keep millions in poverty.</title>
	<author>ZorbaTHut</author>
	<datestamp>1267377660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.</p></div></blockquote><p>Or, alternatively, because the owners aren't <i>able</i> to pay enough. I mean, let's imagine you have three options: don't pay enough for one person to keep an entire family fed, fire everyone and close down the factory, or go bankrupt, fire everyone, and <i>then</i> close down the factory.</p><p>Which do you choose?</p><blockquote><div><p>by pulling workers out of the labor pool, we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work. So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.</p></div></blockquote><p>This line makes the broken window fallacy look practically unassailable in comparison.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We know why children labor -- because the rich are n't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.Or , alternatively , because the owners are n't able to pay enough .
I mean , let 's imagine you have three options : do n't pay enough for one person to keep an entire family fed , fire everyone and close down the factory , or go bankrupt , fire everyone , and then close down the factory.Which do you choose ? by pulling workers out of the labor pool , we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work .
So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.This line makes the broken window fallacy look practically unassailable in comparison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay.Or, alternatively, because the owners aren't able to pay enough.
I mean, let's imagine you have three options: don't pay enough for one person to keep an entire family fed, fire everyone and close down the factory, or go bankrupt, fire everyone, and then close down the factory.Which do you choose?by pulling workers out of the labor pool, we are making the labor resource more scarce making the resource more valuable and therefore raising the rates of pay for those who remain at work.
So child labor laws might also serve to improve the amount of money that comes into individual families.This line makes the broken window fallacy look practically unassailable in comparison.
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	<title>hate to agree but i was 12 making games ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267354320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>lets see (grins evil overlord) how can we get the populace as stupid and ignorant as possible<br>YES<br>we'll stop them using a computer all together<br>THATS right you too can join in and be STUPID</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lets see ( grins evil overlord ) how can we get the populace as stupid and ignorant as possibleYESwe 'll stop them using a computer all togetherTHATS right you too can join in and be STUPID</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lets see (grins evil overlord) how can we get the populace as stupid and ignorant as possibleYESwe'll stop them using a computer all togetherTHATS right you too can join in and be STUPID</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is pretty callous, even for Slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267374840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I love cracking jokes about children being forced to make our crap and defending sweatshop labour as much as the next guy, but some of the comments on this story have my stomach turning.  If the choice is between having families out of work and having them work for little money, then fine; run the factories.  But that is a very selective framing of this issue and is utterly uninformative.  The developed world (not "the West", which is a meaningless term) and our corporations interact with the third world in an extremely complex way which the above scenario completely oversimplifies.</p><p>Between extremes of us taking advantage of cheap labour, and us setting the scene for that cheap labour to exist, we are far closer to the latter option.  See the progress of the IMF and the World Bank for examples.</p><p>I know the rebuttal: Well, how would you feel about paying 10x as much for your electronics !11!!1  But even if costs would escalate that high - and they wouldn't because employing our own workers instead would have loads of offsetting, positive effects for our economies and increasing salaries for impoverished workers by a factor of 10 only increases total costs by a portion of that - I'm more comfortable with that than saying that some people's lives are essentially worthless because of where they're born.  And I suspect that if consumers were forced to really consider how their dollars 'supported' poor economies, maybe if all stores had to show in-store videos of their factories chugging along, then paying a little more for a higher quality product and higher quality lives wouldn't seem so bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love cracking jokes about children being forced to make our crap and defending sweatshop labour as much as the next guy , but some of the comments on this story have my stomach turning .
If the choice is between having families out of work and having them work for little money , then fine ; run the factories .
But that is a very selective framing of this issue and is utterly uninformative .
The developed world ( not " the West " , which is a meaningless term ) and our corporations interact with the third world in an extremely complex way which the above scenario completely oversimplifies.Between extremes of us taking advantage of cheap labour , and us setting the scene for that cheap labour to exist , we are far closer to the latter option .
See the progress of the IMF and the World Bank for examples.I know the rebuttal : Well , how would you feel about paying 10x as much for your electronics ! 11 !
! 1 But even if costs would escalate that high - and they would n't because employing our own workers instead would have loads of offsetting , positive effects for our economies and increasing salaries for impoverished workers by a factor of 10 only increases total costs by a portion of that - I 'm more comfortable with that than saying that some people 's lives are essentially worthless because of where they 're born .
And I suspect that if consumers were forced to really consider how their dollars 'supported ' poor economies , maybe if all stores had to show in-store videos of their factories chugging along , then paying a little more for a higher quality product and higher quality lives would n't seem so bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love cracking jokes about children being forced to make our crap and defending sweatshop labour as much as the next guy, but some of the comments on this story have my stomach turning.
If the choice is between having families out of work and having them work for little money, then fine; run the factories.
But that is a very selective framing of this issue and is utterly uninformative.
The developed world (not "the West", which is a meaningless term) and our corporations interact with the third world in an extremely complex way which the above scenario completely oversimplifies.Between extremes of us taking advantage of cheap labour, and us setting the scene for that cheap labour to exist, we are far closer to the latter option.
See the progress of the IMF and the World Bank for examples.I know the rebuttal: Well, how would you feel about paying 10x as much for your electronics !11!
!1  But even if costs would escalate that high - and they wouldn't because employing our own workers instead would have loads of offsetting, positive effects for our economies and increasing salaries for impoverished workers by a factor of 10 only increases total costs by a portion of that - I'm more comfortable with that than saying that some people's lives are essentially worthless because of where they're born.
And I suspect that if consumers were forced to really consider how their dollars 'supported' poor economies, maybe if all stores had to show in-store videos of their factories chugging along, then paying a little more for a higher quality product and higher quality lives wouldn't seem so bad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307668</id>
	<title>Market Economics 101</title>
	<author>mangu</author>
	<datestamp>1267386000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own pay</p></div></blockquote><p>No, it's because the middle class would rather pay $30 for a DVD player instead of $300.</p><p>Using cheap labor allows you to make cheaper products which sell more. It's as simple as that.</p><blockquote><div><p>Without this regulation against the free market, the market would drive its labor force to death and into animal-like stupidity.</p></div></blockquote><p>Henry Ford did not agree. He insisted on paying enough so his workers could afford to buy the cars they built.</p><p>Unfortunately, this simple market economics does not work when there are foreign governments that have no interest in letting their own people prosper too much. By keeping their currency artificially low and import tariffs high, they allow their export products to have lower prices at the expense of costlier imports.</p><p>In the long run, this policy is totally insane for the country. I wonder where China would be today if their people could buy the products they export. Only one thing I'm sure of, it would not be the Communist party in power.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We know why children labor -- because the rich are n't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own payNo , it 's because the middle class would rather pay $ 30 for a DVD player instead of $ 300.Using cheap labor allows you to make cheaper products which sell more .
It 's as simple as that.Without this regulation against the free market , the market would drive its labor force to death and into animal-like stupidity.Henry Ford did not agree .
He insisted on paying enough so his workers could afford to buy the cars they built.Unfortunately , this simple market economics does not work when there are foreign governments that have no interest in letting their own people prosper too much .
By keeping their currency artificially low and import tariffs high , they allow their export products to have lower prices at the expense of costlier imports.In the long run , this policy is totally insane for the country .
I wonder where China would be today if their people could buy the products they export .
Only one thing I 'm sure of , it would not be the Communist party in power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We know why children labor -- because the rich aren't willing to pay enough for a man to feed his family under his own payNo, it's because the middle class would rather pay $30 for a DVD player instead of $300.Using cheap labor allows you to make cheaper products which sell more.
It's as simple as that.Without this regulation against the free market, the market would drive its labor force to death and into animal-like stupidity.Henry Ford did not agree.
He insisted on paying enough so his workers could afford to buy the cars they built.Unfortunately, this simple market economics does not work when there are foreign governments that have no interest in letting their own people prosper too much.
By keeping their currency artificially low and import tariffs high, they allow their export products to have lower prices at the expense of costlier imports.In the long run, this policy is totally insane for the country.
I wonder where China would be today if their people could buy the products they export.
Only one thing I'm sure of, it would not be the Communist party in power.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305454</id>
	<title>Make it in the Third World, what do you expect?</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1267370820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>That is, does one expect them to actually follow the rules? No.  The ASCC is a whitewash given that it has no real ability to exact meaningful punishments.</p><p>Those are about 133,000 jobs on the wrong side of the US and Western Europe - where they might actually respect the law for once.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is , does one expect them to actually follow the rules ?
No. The ASCC is a whitewash given that it has no real ability to exact meaningful punishments.Those are about 133,000 jobs on the wrong side of the US and Western Europe - where they might actually respect the law for once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is, does one expect them to actually follow the rules?
No.  The ASCC is a whitewash given that it has no real ability to exact meaningful punishments.Those are about 133,000 jobs on the wrong side of the US and Western Europe - where they might actually respect the law for once.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>tukang</author>
	<datestamp>1267376520000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In these countries, many families struggle to put food on the table. By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories, these families are better able to care for each other.</p><p>These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants. They are electronics assembly lines. Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper. No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.</p><p>Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense, but in poor countries, having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.</p><p>I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas. It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children. But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.</p></div><p>American child labor laws were passed in the 30s, a time when the US economy more closely resembled that of today's developing countries. I think that children are especially vulnerable in places where poverty is prevalent because parents are more likely to neglect their children and often come to the wrong conclusion that trading their children's education for a job is in the child's best interest.</p><p>
Education is the only way to break the poverty cycle and because impoverished parents may (understandibly) be tempted to send their children to work, I think that these policies make perfect sense.</p></div>
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<tokenext>In these countries , many families struggle to put food on the table .
By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories , these families are better able to care for each other.These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants .
They are electronics assembly lines .
Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper .
No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense , but in poor countries , having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.I ca n't believe I 'm reading about Apple , of all companies , enforcing regulations like these overseas .
It 's more White Man 's Burden than Protect The Children .
But really , when you think about it , those two concepts are essentially the same , and it reeks of condescension.American child labor laws were passed in the 30s , a time when the US economy more closely resembled that of today 's developing countries .
I think that children are especially vulnerable in places where poverty is prevalent because parents are more likely to neglect their children and often come to the wrong conclusion that trading their children 's education for a job is in the child 's best interest .
Education is the only way to break the poverty cycle and because impoverished parents may ( understandibly ) be tempted to send their children to work , I think that these policies make perfect sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In these countries, many families struggle to put food on the table.
By allowing their children who are able to work go to work in the factories, these families are better able to care for each other.These are dangerous smelting factories or weapons manufacturing plants.
They are electronics assembly lines.
Lines which could essentially be replaced by robotics except that humans are cheaper.
No kid is in danger of having his arm sliced off.Enforcing Western-style regulations in Western countries makes sense, but in poor countries, having an extra set of hands working besides mom and dad is a real boon.I can't believe I'm reading about Apple, of all companies, enforcing regulations like these overseas.
It's more White Man's Burden than Protect The Children.
But really, when you think about it, those two concepts are essentially the same, and it reeks of condescension.American child labor laws were passed in the 30s, a time when the US economy more closely resembled that of today's developing countries.
I think that children are especially vulnerable in places where poverty is prevalent because parents are more likely to neglect their children and often come to the wrong conclusion that trading their children's education for a job is in the child's best interest.
Education is the only way to break the poverty cycle and because impoverished parents may (understandibly) be tempted to send their children to work, I think that these policies make perfect sense.
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	<title>Parent poster ignores the Third World cronyism.</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1267371360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that the countries that still have it as a problem also have a government-business relationship that is "too friendly".  Those factories could willfully ignore law and kill their critics.</p><p>Just because it may be their only practical choice does not invalidate that it is a bad one.  Rewarding those businesses for pursuing that government policy is not going to make it any better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that the countries that still have it as a problem also have a government-business relationship that is " too friendly " .
Those factories could willfully ignore law and kill their critics.Just because it may be their only practical choice does not invalidate that it is a bad one .
Rewarding those businesses for pursuing that government policy is not going to make it any better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that the countries that still have it as a problem also have a government-business relationship that is "too friendly".
Those factories could willfully ignore law and kill their critics.Just because it may be their only practical choice does not invalidate that it is a bad one.
Rewarding those businesses for pursuing that government policy is not going to make it any better.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307222</id>
	<title>Re:What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267382880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's great, but what is Apple doing to address the problem of it's overwhelmingly large homosexual user base engaging in homosexual child sex tourism in Thailand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's great , but what is Apple doing to address the problem of it 's overwhelmingly large homosexual user base engaging in homosexual child sex tourism in Thailand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's great, but what is Apple doing to address the problem of it's overwhelmingly large homosexual user base engaging in homosexual child sex tourism in Thailand?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31307574</id>
	<title>Re:Apple reaches a new low</title>
	<author>DurendalMac</author>
	<datestamp>1267385340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sooo...Apple tells these guys to shape up or ship out and that makes them even lower? You wouldn't happen to own a Chinese sweatshop, would you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sooo...Apple tells these guys to shape up or ship out and that makes them even lower ?
You would n't happen to own a Chinese sweatshop , would you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sooo...Apple tells these guys to shape up or ship out and that makes them even lower?
You wouldn't happen to own a Chinese sweatshop, would you?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31309976</id>
	<title>Pro and Anti Apple, Google, MS, LINUX, etc</title>
	<author>Danathar</author>
	<datestamp>1267360500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fact of the matter is it does not matter WHAT Apple prints or says or whatever. Many will simply ignore whatever they see as true or not depending on if it supports or contradicts their idea of what reality actually is.</p><p>The Trolls on all sides eat this stuff up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fact of the matter is it does not matter WHAT Apple prints or says or whatever .
Many will simply ignore whatever they see as true or not depending on if it supports or contradicts their idea of what reality actually is.The Trolls on all sides eat this stuff up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fact of the matter is it does not matter WHAT Apple prints or says or whatever.
Many will simply ignore whatever they see as true or not depending on if it supports or contradicts their idea of what reality actually is.The Trolls on all sides eat this stuff up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31305548</id>
	<title>Exactly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267371420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. It's real easy to tell others how to live when you don't have to deal with their issues - or stand in their shoes.</p><p>It's real easy to tell someone to get a decent pair of shoes when <i>you</i> can afford it and it's especially insulting when you don't offer the other person to buy a decent pair of shoes for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
It 's real easy to tell others how to live when you do n't have to deal with their issues - or stand in their shoes.It 's real easy to tell someone to get a decent pair of shoes when you can afford it and it 's especially insulting when you do n't offer the other person to buy a decent pair of shoes for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
It's real easy to tell others how to live when you don't have to deal with their issues - or stand in their shoes.It's real easy to tell someone to get a decent pair of shoes when you can afford it and it's especially insulting when you don't offer the other person to buy a decent pair of shoes for them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306878</id>
	<title>Re:What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267380480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US sure could use 133000 jobs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US sure could use 133000 jobs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US sure could use 133000 jobs</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Age restrictions work against them</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1267390080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These conditions are enforced to maximise profit. When citizens of countries working under conditions like these seek redress there is an inevitable violent corporate sponsored government led retaliation against those seeking better conditions.</p></div><p>Yeah, or it could be that Steve Jobs and Al Gore and some other people on the board have real moral compunctions about destroying the environment and hiring kids to work on their stuff.  I mean, you're making some huge assumptions about these guys, how do you know so much about their motivations?  Have you talked to them, read interviews, or are you just guessing what they are thinking based on your preconceived ideas?<br> <br>
Think about it seriously, if you became a CEO of a large corporation, would you suddenly feel the urge to make poor people suffer industrial accidents?  Or would you set up a program to make sure your employees aren't abused?</p><p><div class="quote"><p> then why are corporations and their political puppets continually saying that first world workforces has to compete, not once but over and over again.  Are you ready to compete, no sick pay, no holiday pay, 50 cents an hour and, unsafe work conditions as normal practice including toxic chemicals.</p></div><p>You have to compete, that's basic economics. There was an interview in the weekend Wall Street Journal with the CEO of Ford claiming that America CAN compete with the world, and he is doing fairly well at it. Ford is now making small cars in the US, and this is with unions and all the benefits they bring. So your argument that you have to compete by working with no sick pay, no holiday pay etc. is a red herring.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It reeks of greed and lies to assume that somehow poor people in other countries are born to work in poverty, they are bred to be mindless factory drones from birth, cheaper than robots.</p></div><p>OK, look, you may have a solution to this problem, but I seriously doubt you even know what the problem is.  I've gone to poor countries and talked to people, seen how it is.  These people LIKE factories opening in their country, because it is an extra option for employment.  The people who work there typically have no skills whatsoever, and by no skills, I mean, they have been subsistence farmers all their lives and don't know how to get to work on time, keep a schedule, or sometimes even read a calendar.  The factories actually are helping them by giving them skills.<br> <br>
These are jobs for unskilled people.  Those who have graduated from high school can usually find better paying jobs.  However,
the cost of living is so low in some of these countries that they can actually make MORE working in a factory than on a farm.  50 cents an hour sounds bad until you realize that rent is only 6 dollars a month.<br> <br>
Actually I think your 'outrage' is more from your fear of losing your own income than it is about the actual poverty in other countries.  Don't worry too much, there will always be enough jobs to spread around, as long as you are flexible enough to retrain for the jobs available.</p></div>
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<tokenext>These conditions are enforced to maximise profit .
When citizens of countries working under conditions like these seek redress there is an inevitable violent corporate sponsored government led retaliation against those seeking better conditions.Yeah , or it could be that Steve Jobs and Al Gore and some other people on the board have real moral compunctions about destroying the environment and hiring kids to work on their stuff .
I mean , you 're making some huge assumptions about these guys , how do you know so much about their motivations ?
Have you talked to them , read interviews , or are you just guessing what they are thinking based on your preconceived ideas ?
Think about it seriously , if you became a CEO of a large corporation , would you suddenly feel the urge to make poor people suffer industrial accidents ?
Or would you set up a program to make sure your employees are n't abused ?
then why are corporations and their political puppets continually saying that first world workforces has to compete , not once but over and over again .
Are you ready to compete , no sick pay , no holiday pay , 50 cents an hour and , unsafe work conditions as normal practice including toxic chemicals.You have to compete , that 's basic economics .
There was an interview in the weekend Wall Street Journal with the CEO of Ford claiming that America CAN compete with the world , and he is doing fairly well at it .
Ford is now making small cars in the US , and this is with unions and all the benefits they bring .
So your argument that you have to compete by working with no sick pay , no holiday pay etc .
is a red herring.It reeks of greed and lies to assume that somehow poor people in other countries are born to work in poverty , they are bred to be mindless factory drones from birth , cheaper than robots.OK , look , you may have a solution to this problem , but I seriously doubt you even know what the problem is .
I 've gone to poor countries and talked to people , seen how it is .
These people LIKE factories opening in their country , because it is an extra option for employment .
The people who work there typically have no skills whatsoever , and by no skills , I mean , they have been subsistence farmers all their lives and do n't know how to get to work on time , keep a schedule , or sometimes even read a calendar .
The factories actually are helping them by giving them skills .
These are jobs for unskilled people .
Those who have graduated from high school can usually find better paying jobs .
However , the cost of living is so low in some of these countries that they can actually make MORE working in a factory than on a farm .
50 cents an hour sounds bad until you realize that rent is only 6 dollars a month .
Actually I think your 'outrage ' is more from your fear of losing your own income than it is about the actual poverty in other countries .
Do n't worry too much , there will always be enough jobs to spread around , as long as you are flexible enough to retrain for the jobs available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These conditions are enforced to maximise profit.
When citizens of countries working under conditions like these seek redress there is an inevitable violent corporate sponsored government led retaliation against those seeking better conditions.Yeah, or it could be that Steve Jobs and Al Gore and some other people on the board have real moral compunctions about destroying the environment and hiring kids to work on their stuff.
I mean, you're making some huge assumptions about these guys, how do you know so much about their motivations?
Have you talked to them, read interviews, or are you just guessing what they are thinking based on your preconceived ideas?
Think about it seriously, if you became a CEO of a large corporation, would you suddenly feel the urge to make poor people suffer industrial accidents?
Or would you set up a program to make sure your employees aren't abused?
then why are corporations and their political puppets continually saying that first world workforces has to compete, not once but over and over again.
Are you ready to compete, no sick pay, no holiday pay, 50 cents an hour and, unsafe work conditions as normal practice including toxic chemicals.You have to compete, that's basic economics.
There was an interview in the weekend Wall Street Journal with the CEO of Ford claiming that America CAN compete with the world, and he is doing fairly well at it.
Ford is now making small cars in the US, and this is with unions and all the benefits they bring.
So your argument that you have to compete by working with no sick pay, no holiday pay etc.
is a red herring.It reeks of greed and lies to assume that somehow poor people in other countries are born to work in poverty, they are bred to be mindless factory drones from birth, cheaper than robots.OK, look, you may have a solution to this problem, but I seriously doubt you even know what the problem is.
I've gone to poor countries and talked to people, seen how it is.
These people LIKE factories opening in their country, because it is an extra option for employment.
The people who work there typically have no skills whatsoever, and by no skills, I mean, they have been subsistence farmers all their lives and don't know how to get to work on time, keep a schedule, or sometimes even read a calendar.
The factories actually are helping them by giving them skills.
These are jobs for unskilled people.
Those who have graduated from high school can usually find better paying jobs.
However,
the cost of living is so low in some of these countries that they can actually make MORE working in a factory than on a farm.
50 cents an hour sounds bad until you realize that rent is only 6 dollars a month.
Actually I think your 'outrage' is more from your fear of losing your own income than it is about the actual poverty in other countries.
Don't worry too much, there will always be enough jobs to spread around, as long as you are flexible enough to retrain for the jobs available.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31309916</id>
	<title>Why don't they just....</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1267360200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...manufacture their junk in their home country and largest market if they want to enforce US standards? Oh wait, they don't want to meet us pay standards, just appear that they give a crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...manufacture their junk in their home country and largest market if they want to enforce US standards ?
Oh wait , they do n't want to meet us pay standards , just appear that they give a crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...manufacture their junk in their home country and largest market if they want to enforce US standards?
Oh wait, they don't want to meet us pay standards, just appear that they give a crap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306462</id>
	<title>Re:Exactly the opposite, genius</title>
	<author>Captain Splendid</author>
	<datestamp>1267377840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for "inventing" something the rest of the business has been doing for years.</i> <br> <br>

Bullshit.  A quick text search shows that you're the only one here using the term "invent".  Go build a strawman somewhere else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for " inventing " something the rest of the business has been doing for years .
Bullshit. A quick text search shows that you 're the only one here using the term " invent " .
Go build a strawman somewhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet again Apple is heralded on Slashdot for "inventing" something the rest of the business has been doing for years.
Bullshit.  A quick text search shows that you're the only one here using the term "invent".
Go build a strawman somewhere else.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31306186</id>
	<title>Re:Bring back the jobs to the US!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267376100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm, seriously?  Assuming the average fully laden cost of a US worker is $50,000 a year, you are talking about $6-$7 billion dollars in direct labor costs here in the US.  But now your factories need to be built here in the US, you need US land, factory equipment and machines sourced in the US (these can be 3-4 times more expensive than the equivalent sourced in China), you raw materials have to be sourced here, and you need to maintain larger inventories of components that are still only made in Asia.  I would imagine that this would add at least $12-15 billion dollars in total cost to Apple's business, perhaps even more (direct labor costs usually are less than half the cost difference between manufacturing in the US and manufacturing in Asia).  Their EBITDA is currently around $14B, and net income is about $9B.  You have now taken a highly profitable company and made it into another large American manufacturing company selling lots of product but hemorrhaging *billions* of dollars a year.  Just like our auto industry.</p><p>Anyway, just pointing out how the economics work.  There's a reason relatively little manufacturing is done in the US anymore, except for highly taxed and protected industries like defense or aerospace, high end or luxury niches, and products where the value/volume ratio makes it unprofitable to manufacture abroad and ship to the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm , seriously ?
Assuming the average fully laden cost of a US worker is $ 50,000 a year , you are talking about $ 6- $ 7 billion dollars in direct labor costs here in the US .
But now your factories need to be built here in the US , you need US land , factory equipment and machines sourced in the US ( these can be 3-4 times more expensive than the equivalent sourced in China ) , you raw materials have to be sourced here , and you need to maintain larger inventories of components that are still only made in Asia .
I would imagine that this would add at least $ 12-15 billion dollars in total cost to Apple 's business , perhaps even more ( direct labor costs usually are less than half the cost difference between manufacturing in the US and manufacturing in Asia ) .
Their EBITDA is currently around $ 14B , and net income is about $ 9B .
You have now taken a highly profitable company and made it into another large American manufacturing company selling lots of product but hemorrhaging * billions * of dollars a year .
Just like our auto industry.Anyway , just pointing out how the economics work .
There 's a reason relatively little manufacturing is done in the US anymore , except for highly taxed and protected industries like defense or aerospace , high end or luxury niches , and products where the value/volume ratio makes it unprofitable to manufacture abroad and ship to the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm, seriously?
Assuming the average fully laden cost of a US worker is $50,000 a year, you are talking about $6-$7 billion dollars in direct labor costs here in the US.
But now your factories need to be built here in the US, you need US land, factory equipment and machines sourced in the US (these can be 3-4 times more expensive than the equivalent sourced in China), you raw materials have to be sourced here, and you need to maintain larger inventories of components that are still only made in Asia.
I would imagine that this would add at least $12-15 billion dollars in total cost to Apple's business, perhaps even more (direct labor costs usually are less than half the cost difference between manufacturing in the US and manufacturing in Asia).
Their EBITDA is currently around $14B, and net income is about $9B.
You have now taken a highly profitable company and made it into another large American manufacturing company selling lots of product but hemorrhaging *billions* of dollars a year.
Just like our auto industry.Anyway, just pointing out how the economics work.
There's a reason relatively little manufacturing is done in the US anymore, except for highly taxed and protected industries like defense or aerospace, high end or luxury niches, and products where the value/volume ratio makes it unprofitable to manufacture abroad and ship to the US.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_1249219.31308944</id>
	<title>Re:Kudos and Catcalls</title>
	<author>Swift2001</author>
	<datestamp>1267352580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think if we looked through our businesses, I believe you would find a lot of workers mistreated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think if we looked through our businesses , I believe you would find a lot of workers mistreated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think if we looked through our businesses, I believe you would find a lot of workers mistreated.</sentencetext>
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