<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_27_1913200</id>
	<title>Repo Men Using New Technology To Track Cars</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267268520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>kamapuaa writes <i>"The NY Times has an article about how real-time license plate scanning is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/automobiles/28REPO.html">changing the car repo business</a>. <a href="http://www.mvtrac.com/">MVTRAC</a> is one of several companies providing technology to track car license plates automatically, in order to populate private databases. This new tech is used by car repo companies to help banks or other lenders repossess cars; <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/story/07/07/30/0145253/ACLU-Protests-Police-Scanning-License-Plates">by police</a> to find stolen cars or to locate ticket scofflaws; or really for whatever application MVTRAC and its competitors feel like pursuing, as the new-found industry lacks any kind of government oversight."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>kamapuaa writes " The NY Times has an article about how real-time license plate scanning is changing the car repo business .
MVTRAC is one of several companies providing technology to track car license plates automatically , in order to populate private databases .
This new tech is used by car repo companies to help banks or other lenders repossess cars ; by police to find stolen cars or to locate ticket scofflaws ; or really for whatever application MVTRAC and its competitors feel like pursuing , as the new-found industry lacks any kind of government oversight .
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<sentencetext>kamapuaa writes "The NY Times has an article about how real-time license plate scanning is changing the car repo business.
MVTRAC is one of several companies providing technology to track car license plates automatically, in order to populate private databases.
This new tech is used by car repo companies to help banks or other lenders repossess cars; by police to find stolen cars or to locate ticket scofflaws; or really for whatever application MVTRAC and its competitors feel like pursuing, as the new-found industry lacks any kind of government oversight.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31303868</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267348800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anyone walking down the street can gather this information</p></div></blockquote><p>And yet this doesn't happen on a mass scale. Why? Because it's too labour-intensive.</p><p>THAT is the danger of this technology<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it makes the gathering of such information feasible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone walking down the street can gather this informationAnd yet this does n't happen on a mass scale .
Why ? Because it 's too labour-intensive.THAT is the danger of this technology ... it makes the gathering of such information feasible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone walking down the street can gather this informationAnd yet this doesn't happen on a mass scale.
Why? Because it's too labour-intensive.THAT is the danger of this technology ... it makes the gathering of such information feasible.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300994</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>cgenman</author>
	<datestamp>1267278600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?</i></p><p>Well, let's say that you're driving from work to some suppliers, then see some customers, then drive out to dinner with someone else.  Theoretically, a competitor could put a tail on you and find out where you buy all of your supplies from, who your client list is, and where you like to eat dinner.  In practice, though, it's prohibitively expensive to do this to anyone but Steve Jobs.</p><p>With automated tracking, people can know what you've been and where you're going.  Now they know where you pick up your supplies (and therefore about how much you're paying).  Now they know your customers (and can attempt to pick them off).  Now they know your favorite restaurant (...not so useful that one).  So of course now you have to take more expensive countermeasures, yadda yadda.  Your competitors could pay a data warehouse say... 100 dollars per your employee, and get readouts of where they've all gone in the past month.  Maybe that lets them figure out a secret ingredient in your special sauce.  Maybe they find out that a key person keeps going to swank parts of town, and might be susceptible to being lured away by a bigger salary.  Or that someone is cheating on their significant other.  Or nothing at all.  But none of this would really be considered normal or acceptable business practices.</p><p>Maybe the mob pays to track their employees and their employees contacts, to make sure nobody ever gets near a police station.  Or crazy people start tracking public officials with the hopes of assassinating them.  Or public officials track eachother in the hopes of manufacturing some dirt to use against them.  Essentially, it opens up a can of worms that we haven't prepared for.  And maybe the only amount of preparation needed is to argue about it for a while and realize that it isn't the end of the world.  But that's still a dialog that needs to take place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does somebody driving down the ( public ) road taking a picture of your ( public ) license plate on your car parked in ( public ) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight ? Well , let 's say that you 're driving from work to some suppliers , then see some customers , then drive out to dinner with someone else .
Theoretically , a competitor could put a tail on you and find out where you buy all of your supplies from , who your client list is , and where you like to eat dinner .
In practice , though , it 's prohibitively expensive to do this to anyone but Steve Jobs.With automated tracking , people can know what you 've been and where you 're going .
Now they know where you pick up your supplies ( and therefore about how much you 're paying ) .
Now they know your customers ( and can attempt to pick them off ) .
Now they know your favorite restaurant ( ...not so useful that one ) .
So of course now you have to take more expensive countermeasures , yadda yadda .
Your competitors could pay a data warehouse say... 100 dollars per your employee , and get readouts of where they 've all gone in the past month .
Maybe that lets them figure out a secret ingredient in your special sauce .
Maybe they find out that a key person keeps going to swank parts of town , and might be susceptible to being lured away by a bigger salary .
Or that someone is cheating on their significant other .
Or nothing at all .
But none of this would really be considered normal or acceptable business practices.Maybe the mob pays to track their employees and their employees contacts , to make sure nobody ever gets near a police station .
Or crazy people start tracking public officials with the hopes of assassinating them .
Or public officials track eachother in the hopes of manufacturing some dirt to use against them .
Essentially , it opens up a can of worms that we have n't prepared for .
And maybe the only amount of preparation needed is to argue about it for a while and realize that it is n't the end of the world .
But that 's still a dialog that needs to take place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?Well, let's say that you're driving from work to some suppliers, then see some customers, then drive out to dinner with someone else.
Theoretically, a competitor could put a tail on you and find out where you buy all of your supplies from, who your client list is, and where you like to eat dinner.
In practice, though, it's prohibitively expensive to do this to anyone but Steve Jobs.With automated tracking, people can know what you've been and where you're going.
Now they know where you pick up your supplies (and therefore about how much you're paying).
Now they know your customers (and can attempt to pick them off).
Now they know your favorite restaurant (...not so useful that one).
So of course now you have to take more expensive countermeasures, yadda yadda.
Your competitors could pay a data warehouse say... 100 dollars per your employee, and get readouts of where they've all gone in the past month.
Maybe that lets them figure out a secret ingredient in your special sauce.
Maybe they find out that a key person keeps going to swank parts of town, and might be susceptible to being lured away by a bigger salary.
Or that someone is cheating on their significant other.
Or nothing at all.
But none of this would really be considered normal or acceptable business practices.Maybe the mob pays to track their employees and their employees contacts, to make sure nobody ever gets near a police station.
Or crazy people start tracking public officials with the hopes of assassinating them.
Or public officials track eachother in the hopes of manufacturing some dirt to use against them.
Essentially, it opens up a can of worms that we haven't prepared for.
And maybe the only amount of preparation needed is to argue about it for a while and realize that it isn't the end of the world.
But that's still a dialog that needs to take place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300554</id>
	<title>You really think government oversight HELPS?!?!?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267274220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember all the screaming when Booosh!!! and the EEEVIL Rethuglicans kept passing extensions to the Patriot Act?</p><p>Guess what?</p><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/27/AR2010022702870.html" title="washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">IT'S STILL HAPPENING!</a> [washingtonpost.com]</p><p>Yeah, putting something like this new industry under the control of THAT goverment is going the HELP our privacy.  Crap, that government would just figure out a new way <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/us/politics/27ethics.html" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">to shake down the companies for free trips to warm places</a> [nytimes.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember all the screaming when Booosh ! ! !
and the EEEVIL Rethuglicans kept passing extensions to the Patriot Act ? Guess what ? IT 'S STILL HAPPENING !
[ washingtonpost.com ] Yeah , putting something like this new industry under the control of THAT goverment is going the HELP our privacy .
Crap , that government would just figure out a new way to shake down the companies for free trips to warm places [ nytimes.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember all the screaming when Booosh!!!
and the EEEVIL Rethuglicans kept passing extensions to the Patriot Act?Guess what?IT'S STILL HAPPENING!
[washingtonpost.com]Yeah, putting something like this new industry under the control of THAT goverment is going the HELP our privacy.
Crap, that government would just figure out a new way to shake down the companies for free trips to warm places [nytimes.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31302084</id>
	<title>Freedom is lost playing the statist game.</title>
	<author>MrSnivvel</author>
	<datestamp>1267287480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How many more examples do people need before realizing that giving the state the power to force people into compulsory handing over of their privacy GUARANTEES that privacy, freedom, and security will be lost.  Stop with the collectivist/slave mentality.  Read the laws for your state regarding cars, you will be surprised to learned that they only apply to commercial activities, not to individuals traveling from point to point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many more examples do people need before realizing that giving the state the power to force people into compulsory handing over of their privacy GUARANTEES that privacy , freedom , and security will be lost .
Stop with the collectivist/slave mentality .
Read the laws for your state regarding cars , you will be surprised to learned that they only apply to commercial activities , not to individuals traveling from point to point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many more examples do people need before realizing that giving the state the power to force people into compulsory handing over of their privacy GUARANTEES that privacy, freedom, and security will be lost.
Stop with the collectivist/slave mentality.
Read the laws for your state regarding cars, you will be surprised to learned that they only apply to commercial activities, not to individuals traveling from point to point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301794</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267285140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a very easy solution to this problem, just go down to the congressional garage there in DC, record the license number of every car in there, then track 'em and list all locations on a website.  The whole problem will go away in a week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a very easy solution to this problem , just go down to the congressional garage there in DC , record the license number of every car in there , then track 'em and list all locations on a website .
The whole problem will go away in a week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a very easy solution to this problem, just go down to the congressional garage there in DC, record the license number of every car in there, then track 'em and list all locations on a website.
The whole problem will go away in a week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300836</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1267276920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Need to take "extraordinary child custody measures"? We can help!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Need to take " extraordinary child custody measures " ?
We can help !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Need to take "extraordinary child custody measures"?
We can help!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31307040</id>
	<title>countermeasures?</title>
	<author>Fubari</author>
	<datestamp>1267381560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, any ideas about how to legally stop OCR of the plate#?<br>After a little searching, I found the following in a google cache (this seems like<br>it is for the stoplight-runner cameras, but still: they've put some thought into this):</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Platefinder - Sophisticated firmware continually searches the camera's field of view for the presence of a license plate.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Dual Lens Camera - As a license plate is detected, the dual lens camera is triggered to capture both color and infrared images of the vehicle and plate. Infrared cameras are able to see license plates regardless of sun glare, darkness, or other adverse conditions.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Triple Flash Technology - This patented technology varies the flash, shutter and gain settings of the camera to capture multiple plate images, ensuring the highest quality photo regardless of light or weather conditions. Only the image determined to produce the highest quality read is sent on for processing.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Optical Character Recognition "Engine" - Unlike some players in the ALPR community, MVTRAC does not use generic OCR engine for all states and regions. MVTRAC uses a customized OCR engine specific to the state or region of interest. MVTRAC OCR engines are very tolerant of skewed and off-axis plate reads, various plate sizes, syntax rules, and designs. The engine reads the captured infrared plate image and converts it to a data file.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Processors - In addition to housing the patented Platefinder and triple flash technologies, MVTRAC processors perform the OCR translation and can use the captured data in a variety of ways via a MVTRAC software application or third party solution.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Application Software- Software interfaces, specific to the industry or application, allow the user of the system to easily view and manage the data.</p><p><a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:t9W6EKcsOHgJ:mvtrac.threesphere.com/alpr/overview/+mvtrac+camera&amp;cd=9&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=firefox-a" title="74.125.47.132">http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:t9W6EKcsOHgJ:mvtrac.threesphere.com/alpr/overview/+mvtrac+camera&amp;cd=9&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=firefox-a</a> [74.125.47.132]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , any ideas about how to legally stop OCR of the plate # ? After a little searching , I found the following in a google cache ( this seems likeit is for the stoplight-runner cameras , but still : they 've put some thought into this ) :         * Platefinder - Sophisticated firmware continually searches the camera 's field of view for the presence of a license plate .
        * Dual Lens Camera - As a license plate is detected , the dual lens camera is triggered to capture both color and infrared images of the vehicle and plate .
Infrared cameras are able to see license plates regardless of sun glare , darkness , or other adverse conditions .
        * Triple Flash Technology - This patented technology varies the flash , shutter and gain settings of the camera to capture multiple plate images , ensuring the highest quality photo regardless of light or weather conditions .
Only the image determined to produce the highest quality read is sent on for processing .
        * Optical Character Recognition " Engine " - Unlike some players in the ALPR community , MVTRAC does not use generic OCR engine for all states and regions .
MVTRAC uses a customized OCR engine specific to the state or region of interest .
MVTRAC OCR engines are very tolerant of skewed and off-axis plate reads , various plate sizes , syntax rules , and designs .
The engine reads the captured infrared plate image and converts it to a data file .
        * Processors - In addition to housing the patented Platefinder and triple flash technologies , MVTRAC processors perform the OCR translation and can use the captured data in a variety of ways via a MVTRAC software application or third party solution .
        * Application Software- Software interfaces , specific to the industry or application , allow the user of the system to easily view and manage the data.http : //74.125.47.132/search ? q = cache : t9W6EKcsOHgJ : mvtrac.threesphere.com/alpr/overview/ + mvtrac + camera&amp;cd = 9&amp;hl = en&amp;ct = clnk&amp;gl = us&amp;client = firefox-a [ 74.125.47.132 ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, any ideas about how to legally stop OCR of the plate#?After a little searching, I found the following in a google cache (this seems likeit is for the stoplight-runner cameras, but still: they've put some thought into this):
        * Platefinder - Sophisticated firmware continually searches the camera's field of view for the presence of a license plate.
        * Dual Lens Camera - As a license plate is detected, the dual lens camera is triggered to capture both color and infrared images of the vehicle and plate.
Infrared cameras are able to see license plates regardless of sun glare, darkness, or other adverse conditions.
        * Triple Flash Technology - This patented technology varies the flash, shutter and gain settings of the camera to capture multiple plate images, ensuring the highest quality photo regardless of light or weather conditions.
Only the image determined to produce the highest quality read is sent on for processing.
        * Optical Character Recognition "Engine" - Unlike some players in the ALPR community, MVTRAC does not use generic OCR engine for all states and regions.
MVTRAC uses a customized OCR engine specific to the state or region of interest.
MVTRAC OCR engines are very tolerant of skewed and off-axis plate reads, various plate sizes, syntax rules, and designs.
The engine reads the captured infrared plate image and converts it to a data file.
        * Processors - In addition to housing the patented Platefinder and triple flash technologies, MVTRAC processors perform the OCR translation and can use the captured data in a variety of ways via a MVTRAC software application or third party solution.
        * Application Software- Software interfaces, specific to the industry or application, allow the user of the system to easily view and manage the data.http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:t9W6EKcsOHgJ:mvtrac.threesphere.com/alpr/overview/+mvtrac+camera&amp;cd=9&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=firefox-a [74.125.47.132]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31302074</id>
	<title>This is good news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267287300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The faster the recovery of <strong>stolen property</strong> (including the lender-owned vehicles driven by deadbeats), the better.

</p><p>In the typical theft, the shorter times reduces the chance, the car will be destroyed by the either by the thief &mdash; and increases the likelihood of his getting caught. In the lender-deadbeat case, it is good as it reduces the lenders' costs, allowing them to give a slightly better deal to the rest of us, who pay on time...

</p><p>Efficient and effective law-enforcement is a good thing, generally. Certainly so in this case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The faster the recovery of stolen property ( including the lender-owned vehicles driven by deadbeats ) , the better .
In the typical theft , the shorter times reduces the chance , the car will be destroyed by the either by the thief    and increases the likelihood of his getting caught .
In the lender-deadbeat case , it is good as it reduces the lenders ' costs , allowing them to give a slightly better deal to the rest of us , who pay on time.. . Efficient and effective law-enforcement is a good thing , generally .
Certainly so in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The faster the recovery of stolen property (including the lender-owned vehicles driven by deadbeats), the better.
In the typical theft, the shorter times reduces the chance, the car will be destroyed by the either by the thief — and increases the likelihood of his getting caught.
In the lender-deadbeat case, it is good as it reduces the lenders' costs, allowing them to give a slightly better deal to the rest of us, who pay on time...

Efficient and effective law-enforcement is a good thing, generally.
Certainly so in this case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300616</id>
	<title>Re:simple ?</title>
	<author>The End Of Days</author>
	<datestamp>1267274940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it is perfectly normal to pay more for a service than it costs to do it yourself.  The money saved is invested as time and effort, which is what you compensate the service provider for providing.  This is basic to the US society, and quite a few others as well.  It confuses me that you are obviously educated enough to compose English sentences yet somehow missed a fact that even 10 year olds understand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it is perfectly normal to pay more for a service than it costs to do it yourself .
The money saved is invested as time and effort , which is what you compensate the service provider for providing .
This is basic to the US society , and quite a few others as well .
It confuses me that you are obviously educated enough to compose English sentences yet somehow missed a fact that even 10 year olds understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it is perfectly normal to pay more for a service than it costs to do it yourself.
The money saved is invested as time and effort, which is what you compensate the service provider for providing.
This is basic to the US society, and quite a few others as well.
It confuses me that you are obviously educated enough to compose English sentences yet somehow missed a fact that even 10 year olds understand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301328</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267281060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well we've sure set up society in a way that makes it compulsory in order for most people to function.  thus most people treat it as a right.  it should be. our taxes pay for the road we drive on whether the state deems us worthy of the 'privilege' or not.  when the state takes your license/car/whatever, they should give you a second way to get to work at the very least.  otherwise, with today's economy being what it is, the next stop that person's going to make is at the welfare office.  oh and spare me the 'personal responsibility' sermon.  the people who get screwed by scofflaw 'laws' are the ones who are least able to pay up.  punishing htem with fines is like punishing a jailed-for-life inmate with more jailtime.  past a certain point, it doesn't matter how much is owed because they'll never be able to pay it back.  so go ahead, keep cranking up the righteous preaching and the law that goes with it, see how much worse you'll make society for a rapidly increasing percentage of the population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well we 've sure set up society in a way that makes it compulsory in order for most people to function .
thus most people treat it as a right .
it should be .
our taxes pay for the road we drive on whether the state deems us worthy of the 'privilege ' or not .
when the state takes your license/car/whatever , they should give you a second way to get to work at the very least .
otherwise , with today 's economy being what it is , the next stop that person 's going to make is at the welfare office .
oh and spare me the 'personal responsibility ' sermon .
the people who get screwed by scofflaw 'laws ' are the ones who are least able to pay up .
punishing htem with fines is like punishing a jailed-for-life inmate with more jailtime .
past a certain point , it does n't matter how much is owed because they 'll never be able to pay it back .
so go ahead , keep cranking up the righteous preaching and the law that goes with it , see how much worse you 'll make society for a rapidly increasing percentage of the population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well we've sure set up society in a way that makes it compulsory in order for most people to function.
thus most people treat it as a right.
it should be.
our taxes pay for the road we drive on whether the state deems us worthy of the 'privilege' or not.
when the state takes your license/car/whatever, they should give you a second way to get to work at the very least.
otherwise, with today's economy being what it is, the next stop that person's going to make is at the welfare office.
oh and spare me the 'personal responsibility' sermon.
the people who get screwed by scofflaw 'laws' are the ones who are least able to pay up.
punishing htem with fines is like punishing a jailed-for-life inmate with more jailtime.
past a certain point, it doesn't matter how much is owed because they'll never be able to pay it back.
so go ahead, keep cranking up the righteous preaching and the law that goes with it, see how much worse you'll make society for a rapidly increasing percentage of the population.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300624</id>
	<title>Reeepo Maaan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267275000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now you could run, you could hide... You could try to. But he always has a way of finding you.<br>Reeepo Maaan! Reeepo Maaan!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now you could run , you could hide... You could try to .
But he always has a way of finding you.Reeepo Maaan !
Reeepo Maaan !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now you could run, you could hide... You could try to.
But he always has a way of finding you.Reeepo Maaan!
Reeepo Maaan!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300482</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>angelwolf71885</author>
	<datestamp>1267273680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>using information to TRACK you is called STALKING and ILLEGAL

my privacy super seeds ANYONES need to know including google and the government</htmltext>
<tokenext>using information to TRACK you is called STALKING and ILLEGAL my privacy super seeds ANYONES need to know including google and the government</tokentext>
<sentencetext>using information to TRACK you is called STALKING and ILLEGAL

my privacy super seeds ANYONES need to know including google and the government</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31306074</id>
	<title>Goodbye Privacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought that use of the NCIC and other terminals required certain parameters to use.  So, by definition of the above, a cop could sweep through traffic with an automated scanner and there you go.  But I suspect more of the little "cameras" they are placing at traffic intersections will be doing this (if they aren't already).  It's the gradual introduction and implementation of technologies that ultimately becomes commonplace, growing beyond it's original purpose and with no real boundaries.   I know it sounds very conspiracy-orientated, but this plays right into the "total knowledge" aspect -- and wouldn't it be convenient if these systems were all interconnected so the federal and local gov't's literally track you everywhere, no matter what you are.   If you use any time of technology (cell phones, OnStar,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ) you're already subject to this.   OnStar has a hidden function where the satellite can send a signal to your car which will slow the performance down so you can't out-run a cop.   And who knows what else is out there.  So, we hackers have to find ways to fight back - scramble signals, and make it difficult for them to do what they're trying to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that use of the NCIC and other terminals required certain parameters to use .
So , by definition of the above , a cop could sweep through traffic with an automated scanner and there you go .
But I suspect more of the little " cameras " they are placing at traffic intersections will be doing this ( if they are n't already ) .
It 's the gradual introduction and implementation of technologies that ultimately becomes commonplace , growing beyond it 's original purpose and with no real boundaries .
I know it sounds very conspiracy-orientated , but this plays right into the " total knowledge " aspect -- and would n't it be convenient if these systems were all interconnected so the federal and local gov't 's literally track you everywhere , no matter what you are .
If you use any time of technology ( cell phones , OnStar , ... ) you 're already subject to this .
OnStar has a hidden function where the satellite can send a signal to your car which will slow the performance down so you ca n't out-run a cop .
And who knows what else is out there .
So , we hackers have to find ways to fight back - scramble signals , and make it difficult for them to do what they 're trying to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that use of the NCIC and other terminals required certain parameters to use.
So, by definition of the above, a cop could sweep through traffic with an automated scanner and there you go.
But I suspect more of the little "cameras" they are placing at traffic intersections will be doing this (if they aren't already).
It's the gradual introduction and implementation of technologies that ultimately becomes commonplace, growing beyond it's original purpose and with no real boundaries.
I know it sounds very conspiracy-orientated, but this plays right into the "total knowledge" aspect -- and wouldn't it be convenient if these systems were all interconnected so the federal and local gov't's literally track you everywhere, no matter what you are.
If you use any time of technology (cell phones, OnStar, ... ) you're already subject to this.
OnStar has a hidden function where the satellite can send a signal to your car which will slow the performance down so you can't out-run a cop.
And who knows what else is out there.
So, we hackers have to find ways to fight back - scramble signals, and make it difficult for them to do what they're trying to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31320102</id>
	<title>Re:This is just perfect!</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1267473960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, how am I supposed to get this stolen car out of state without these cops finding me.  Won't someone PLEASE think of the rights of criminals!</p><p>I have a God given right to buy a car, sign a loan and not make the payments.  It's theft for them to take my money (my property) against my will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , how am I supposed to get this stolen car out of state without these cops finding me .
Wo n't someone PLEASE think of the rights of criminals ! I have a God given right to buy a car , sign a loan and not make the payments .
It 's theft for them to take my money ( my property ) against my will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, how am I supposed to get this stolen car out of state without these cops finding me.
Won't someone PLEASE think of the rights of criminals!I have a God given right to buy a car, sign a loan and not make the payments.
It's theft for them to take my money (my property) against my will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300496</id>
	<title>Big Business Will Bring Big Brother</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1267273800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've long said that we'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state. It's pretty obvious that under a laissez-faire system some parties will happily sell information about anyone to other parties public and private who are interested in being Big Brother for reasons of power or profit.</p><p>This is happening now with license plates. It's starting to happen with human image recognition, and will likely be pervasive in our lifetimes. It'll start with systems like this, it'll grow through systems in retail establishments -- some enterprising business will pitch them on the idea "Wouldn't it be great if you knew *who* was coming into your store? Let us set you up with a system that not only records and manages your video, but actually cross-references it with an image/identity database." They'll sell it to consumers, too: "Wouldn't it be great if you knew who was coming to your door? Who secondhand guests at your party are?" And now that we have social networks, it'll be even *easier* to bootstrap with a corpus of social tagged photos which are available to, say, anybody who sings up for the Facebook development platform. And of course, they'll eventually make a deal to share data with local, state, and federal governments. Or if that's technically illegal, with the contractors said government outsource photo surveillance functions to.</p><p>And you'll need one hell of a disguise something like a Philip Dick's scramble suit in order to move around society anonymously... if such a thing can actually disguise your identifying gesture and movement habits successfully. If you can come up with something that isn't clearly a disguise that would make people suspicious. If such a thing is even allowed by retailers and citizens who *like* knowing who's coming to their door. If they're not illegal in some way, whether by statute or sheer fact that even wearing one looks like probable cause for suspicion to the police.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've long said that we 'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state .
It 's pretty obvious that under a laissez-faire system some parties will happily sell information about anyone to other parties public and private who are interested in being Big Brother for reasons of power or profit.This is happening now with license plates .
It 's starting to happen with human image recognition , and will likely be pervasive in our lifetimes .
It 'll start with systems like this , it 'll grow through systems in retail establishments -- some enterprising business will pitch them on the idea " Would n't it be great if you knew * who * was coming into your store ?
Let us set you up with a system that not only records and manages your video , but actually cross-references it with an image/identity database .
" They 'll sell it to consumers , too : " Would n't it be great if you knew who was coming to your door ?
Who secondhand guests at your party are ?
" And now that we have social networks , it 'll be even * easier * to bootstrap with a corpus of social tagged photos which are available to , say , anybody who sings up for the Facebook development platform .
And of course , they 'll eventually make a deal to share data with local , state , and federal governments .
Or if that 's technically illegal , with the contractors said government outsource photo surveillance functions to.And you 'll need one hell of a disguise something like a Philip Dick 's scramble suit in order to move around society anonymously... if such a thing can actually disguise your identifying gesture and movement habits successfully .
If you can come up with something that is n't clearly a disguise that would make people suspicious .
If such a thing is even allowed by retailers and citizens who * like * knowing who 's coming to their door .
If they 're not illegal in some way , whether by statute or sheer fact that even wearing one looks like probable cause for suspicion to the police .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've long said that we'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state.
It's pretty obvious that under a laissez-faire system some parties will happily sell information about anyone to other parties public and private who are interested in being Big Brother for reasons of power or profit.This is happening now with license plates.
It's starting to happen with human image recognition, and will likely be pervasive in our lifetimes.
It'll start with systems like this, it'll grow through systems in retail establishments -- some enterprising business will pitch them on the idea "Wouldn't it be great if you knew *who* was coming into your store?
Let us set you up with a system that not only records and manages your video, but actually cross-references it with an image/identity database.
" They'll sell it to consumers, too: "Wouldn't it be great if you knew who was coming to your door?
Who secondhand guests at your party are?
" And now that we have social networks, it'll be even *easier* to bootstrap with a corpus of social tagged photos which are available to, say, anybody who sings up for the Facebook development platform.
And of course, they'll eventually make a deal to share data with local, state, and federal governments.
Or if that's technically illegal, with the contractors said government outsource photo surveillance functions to.And you'll need one hell of a disguise something like a Philip Dick's scramble suit in order to move around society anonymously... if such a thing can actually disguise your identifying gesture and movement habits successfully.
If you can come up with something that isn't clearly a disguise that would make people suspicious.
If such a thing is even allowed by retailers and citizens who *like* knowing who's coming to their door.
If they're not illegal in some way, whether by statute or sheer fact that even wearing one looks like probable cause for suspicion to the police.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31305334</id>
	<title>Re:OT: Your sig Re:This is just perfect!</title>
	<author>Nadaka</author>
	<datestamp>1267369920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in that era the word militia meant every white male between the age of 18 and 35 IIRC.</p><p>The part of the second amendment I like to point out is "enemies both foreign and domestic". The purpose of the second amendment is unquestionably to provide the people of this nation the tools required to overthrow an oppressive regime, should one ever come to power, either through the aggression of a foreign power or through the manipulation of the voting population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in that era the word militia meant every white male between the age of 18 and 35 IIRC.The part of the second amendment I like to point out is " enemies both foreign and domestic " .
The purpose of the second amendment is unquestionably to provide the people of this nation the tools required to overthrow an oppressive regime , should one ever come to power , either through the aggression of a foreign power or through the manipulation of the voting population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in that era the word militia meant every white male between the age of 18 and 35 IIRC.The part of the second amendment I like to point out is "enemies both foreign and domestic".
The purpose of the second amendment is unquestionably to provide the people of this nation the tools required to overthrow an oppressive regime, should one ever come to power, either through the aggression of a foreign power or through the manipulation of the voting population.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31305704</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1267372440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps driving isn't technically a right, but in today's society you are unfairly hindered without being able to drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps driving is n't technically a right , but in today 's society you are unfairly hindered without being able to drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps driving isn't technically a right, but in today's society you are unfairly hindered without being able to drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300466</id>
	<title>Pay for what you buy, no problem.</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1267273440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plate scanning systems are just a fast way to do what repo folks have been doing for years. They still need to verify the VIN, and in some areas present Claim and Delivery paperwork to repo a vehicle.</p><p>Lots of car buyers try to rip off dealers, and instead of working out payments (most dealers would rather have incoming money than a car sitting on the lot) they disappear with the car.</p><p>Plate scanners also offer a way to catch uninsured drivers (= "people who don't care if they can pay for the damage they cause when they run into the rest of us) and tax scofflaws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plate scanning systems are just a fast way to do what repo folks have been doing for years .
They still need to verify the VIN , and in some areas present Claim and Delivery paperwork to repo a vehicle.Lots of car buyers try to rip off dealers , and instead of working out payments ( most dealers would rather have incoming money than a car sitting on the lot ) they disappear with the car.Plate scanners also offer a way to catch uninsured drivers ( = " people who do n't care if they can pay for the damage they cause when they run into the rest of us ) and tax scofflaws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plate scanning systems are just a fast way to do what repo folks have been doing for years.
They still need to verify the VIN, and in some areas present Claim and Delivery paperwork to repo a vehicle.Lots of car buyers try to rip off dealers, and instead of working out payments (most dealers would rather have incoming money than a car sitting on the lot) they disappear with the car.Plate scanners also offer a way to catch uninsured drivers (= "people who don't care if they can pay for the damage they cause when they run into the rest of us) and tax scofflaws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31307094</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1267381920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras are widespread in the UK and they definitely get my vote.</p></div><p>Sounds like there is already a country setup exactly how you desire your country to be setup.</p><p>That means there is no reason at all to continue trying to change our country to match your desires, while pushing your personal desires on millions of people who DON'T want them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>ANPR ( Automatic Number Plate Recognition ) cameras are widespread in the UK and they definitely get my vote.Sounds like there is already a country setup exactly how you desire your country to be setup.That means there is no reason at all to continue trying to change our country to match your desires , while pushing your personal desires on millions of people who DO N'T want them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras are widespread in the UK and they definitely get my vote.Sounds like there is already a country setup exactly how you desire your country to be setup.That means there is no reason at all to continue trying to change our country to match your desires, while pushing your personal desires on millions of people who DON'T want them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301342</id>
	<title>OT: Your sig Re:This is just perfect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267281180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From your sig: 'What part of "A well regulated militia" do you not understand?'</p><p>The "well regulated militia" part.  It's wide-open to interpretation.</p><p>Thanks to the possible multiple credible interpretations to this the Supreme Court had to step in and lay down its interpretation.  Even that interpretation is subject to being overturned by a future Supreme Court that chooses to not follow <i>stare decisis</i>.  If it happens, it wouldn't be the first time one Supreme Court has overturned the ruling of a previous set of justices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From your sig : 'What part of " A well regulated militia " do you not understand ?
'The " well regulated militia " part .
It 's wide-open to interpretation.Thanks to the possible multiple credible interpretations to this the Supreme Court had to step in and lay down its interpretation .
Even that interpretation is subject to being overturned by a future Supreme Court that chooses to not follow stare decisis .
If it happens , it would n't be the first time one Supreme Court has overturned the ruling of a previous set of justices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From your sig: 'What part of "A well regulated militia" do you not understand?
'The "well regulated militia" part.
It's wide-open to interpretation.Thanks to the possible multiple credible interpretations to this the Supreme Court had to step in and lay down its interpretation.
Even that interpretation is subject to being overturned by a future Supreme Court that chooses to not follow stare decisis.
If it happens, it wouldn't be the first time one Supreme Court has overturned the ruling of a previous set of justices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300982</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1267278480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this.</p></div><p>There isn't? I think we need some actual legal advice here.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The use of vehicles and tag scanners just makes it faster.</p></div><p>Which is problematic in itself.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>All it does is allows more organizations access to the same database of vehicle locations.</p></div><p>Even more of a problem. Data is power in the modern world, and any time power is concentrated sufficiently it becomes a liability. You need look no further than Experian, Equifax and Transunion to realize just how dangerous this can be. Hell, a couple of credit cards I've owned since the Internet went public have suffered security breaches, and I got hit with several thousand dollars in charges. They took them off<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and then six months later put them back after an investigation <i>proved</i> that I'd activated a new account from a phone number and address in a country that I've never visited much less lived in. I had to pay my attorney to adjust their attitude. Consequently, it won't matter much to the victim of a crime (or government abuse) facilitated by this database. They're still screwed.
<br> <br>
We need to take a very different approach to data aggregation in general. You shouldn't get to collect <i>squat</i> about us unless you can prove you need it. If you don't, you don't store it. The fact that it makes a civil servant's job easier is not, in and of itself, sufficient reason to permit this kind of activity. That's especially true when the private sector gets involved. I'll give you an example: in my state, they're putting in red light cams <i>everywhere</i> (not quite as bad as London, maybe, but they're trying hard.) These cameras are used to "enhance revenue" (political-speak for "issue lots more tickets for stuff that was never ticketed before and often isn't illegal anyway.") That's bad enough, but in many towns the companies that build them are given a direct percentage of the take. The more cameras they put in, the more money they make (ha, talk about corporatism at work) and the data they collect is often sold to other companies for additional profit. I see this plate-scanning effort going exactly the same way.
<br> <br>
Regulation means nothing. If that information has been collected, and somebody wants it bad enough, believe me it will be made available. That's just life in the big city. The best solution is <i>not to collect it at all</i>. And furthermore, even if no-one tries to acquire a public records database through "legitimate" means, there are plenty of illegitimate ways once it's online. I've been down that road, and I don't trust government or the private sector to be willing or able to protect my information. It's not theirs, it's mine, and both government and the private sector have demonstrated (repeatedly) that they cannot be trusted to provide adequate security. Apparently, securing personal information is just not cost effective.</p></div>
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<tokenext>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this.There is n't ?
I think we need some actual legal advice here.The use of vehicles and tag scanners just makes it faster.Which is problematic in itself.All it does is allows more organizations access to the same database of vehicle locations.Even more of a problem .
Data is power in the modern world , and any time power is concentrated sufficiently it becomes a liability .
You need look no further than Experian , Equifax and Transunion to realize just how dangerous this can be .
Hell , a couple of credit cards I 've owned since the Internet went public have suffered security breaches , and I got hit with several thousand dollars in charges .
They took them off ... and then six months later put them back after an investigation proved that I 'd activated a new account from a phone number and address in a country that I 've never visited much less lived in .
I had to pay my attorney to adjust their attitude .
Consequently , it wo n't matter much to the victim of a crime ( or government abuse ) facilitated by this database .
They 're still screwed .
We need to take a very different approach to data aggregation in general .
You should n't get to collect squat about us unless you can prove you need it .
If you do n't , you do n't store it .
The fact that it makes a civil servant 's job easier is not , in and of itself , sufficient reason to permit this kind of activity .
That 's especially true when the private sector gets involved .
I 'll give you an example : in my state , they 're putting in red light cams everywhere ( not quite as bad as London , maybe , but they 're trying hard .
) These cameras are used to " enhance revenue " ( political-speak for " issue lots more tickets for stuff that was never ticketed before and often is n't illegal anyway .
" ) That 's bad enough , but in many towns the companies that build them are given a direct percentage of the take .
The more cameras they put in , the more money they make ( ha , talk about corporatism at work ) and the data they collect is often sold to other companies for additional profit .
I see this plate-scanning effort going exactly the same way .
Regulation means nothing .
If that information has been collected , and somebody wants it bad enough , believe me it will be made available .
That 's just life in the big city .
The best solution is not to collect it at all .
And furthermore , even if no-one tries to acquire a public records database through " legitimate " means , there are plenty of illegitimate ways once it 's online .
I 've been down that road , and I do n't trust government or the private sector to be willing or able to protect my information .
It 's not theirs , it 's mine , and both government and the private sector have demonstrated ( repeatedly ) that they can not be trusted to provide adequate security .
Apparently , securing personal information is just not cost effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this.There isn't?
I think we need some actual legal advice here.The use of vehicles and tag scanners just makes it faster.Which is problematic in itself.All it does is allows more organizations access to the same database of vehicle locations.Even more of a problem.
Data is power in the modern world, and any time power is concentrated sufficiently it becomes a liability.
You need look no further than Experian, Equifax and Transunion to realize just how dangerous this can be.
Hell, a couple of credit cards I've owned since the Internet went public have suffered security breaches, and I got hit with several thousand dollars in charges.
They took them off ... and then six months later put them back after an investigation proved that I'd activated a new account from a phone number and address in a country that I've never visited much less lived in.
I had to pay my attorney to adjust their attitude.
Consequently, it won't matter much to the victim of a crime (or government abuse) facilitated by this database.
They're still screwed.
We need to take a very different approach to data aggregation in general.
You shouldn't get to collect squat about us unless you can prove you need it.
If you don't, you don't store it.
The fact that it makes a civil servant's job easier is not, in and of itself, sufficient reason to permit this kind of activity.
That's especially true when the private sector gets involved.
I'll give you an example: in my state, they're putting in red light cams everywhere (not quite as bad as London, maybe, but they're trying hard.
) These cameras are used to "enhance revenue" (political-speak for "issue lots more tickets for stuff that was never ticketed before and often isn't illegal anyway.
") That's bad enough, but in many towns the companies that build them are given a direct percentage of the take.
The more cameras they put in, the more money they make (ha, talk about corporatism at work) and the data they collect is often sold to other companies for additional profit.
I see this plate-scanning effort going exactly the same way.
Regulation means nothing.
If that information has been collected, and somebody wants it bad enough, believe me it will be made available.
That's just life in the big city.
The best solution is not to collect it at all.
And furthermore, even if no-one tries to acquire a public records database through "legitimate" means, there are plenty of illegitimate ways once it's online.
I've been down that road, and I don't trust government or the private sector to be willing or able to protect my information.
It's not theirs, it's mine, and both government and the private sector have demonstrated (repeatedly) that they cannot be trusted to provide adequate security.
Apparently, securing personal information is just not cost effective.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31305834</id>
	<title>Re:This is good news...</title>
	<author>Bruha</author>
	<datestamp>1267373520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The banks will pass that savings down to their bottom lines before they pass you any savings.  Our current economy demands that profits in X period beat out the previous X period.  There is no room to pass down savings, they just let interest rates do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The banks will pass that savings down to their bottom lines before they pass you any savings .
Our current economy demands that profits in X period beat out the previous X period .
There is no room to pass down savings , they just let interest rates do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The banks will pass that savings down to their bottom lines before they pass you any savings.
Our current economy demands that profits in X period beat out the previous X period.
There is no room to pass down savings, they just let interest rates do that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31303326</id>
	<title>Defeat it with a public DB</title>
	<author>lanner</author>
	<datestamp>1267299060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is to stop members of the public from setting up a distributed license-plate tracking system, to say, track politicians and government officials, and make said information public?</p><p>If you can't beat em, at least make it so they can't make any money doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is to stop members of the public from setting up a distributed license-plate tracking system , to say , track politicians and government officials , and make said information public ? If you ca n't beat em , at least make it so they ca n't make any money doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is to stop members of the public from setting up a distributed license-plate tracking system, to say, track politicians and government officials, and make said information public?If you can't beat em, at least make it so they can't make any money doing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300614</id>
	<title>Because "government oversight" ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267274880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... never leads to abuse of privacy rights or anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... never leads to abuse of privacy rights or anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... never leads to abuse of privacy rights or anything.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31302202</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>R3d M3rcury</author>
	<datestamp>1267288680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The fact that a vehicle with a certain license number is at a certain location is public information and there is no reasonable assumption of privacy. Anyone walking down the street can gather this information.</p></div><p>Agreed.  However, the fact that the certain license number is linked to an actual human being is where the privacy part comes in.  You can certainly walk down the street and collect license plate numbers all day long if your little heart so desires.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that a vehicle with a certain license number is at a certain location is public information and there is no reasonable assumption of privacy .
Anyone walking down the street can gather this information.Agreed .
However , the fact that the certain license number is linked to an actual human being is where the privacy part comes in .
You can certainly walk down the street and collect license plate numbers all day long if your little heart so desires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that a vehicle with a certain license number is at a certain location is public information and there is no reasonable assumption of privacy.
Anyone walking down the street can gather this information.Agreed.
However, the fact that the certain license number is linked to an actual human being is where the privacy part comes in.
You can certainly walk down the street and collect license plate numbers all day long if your little heart so desires.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300548</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300426</id>
	<title>Almost any industry lacks oversight in the US...</title>
	<author>Yaa 101</author>
	<datestamp>1267273080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Almost any industry lacks oversight in the US, that is why that place is a litigious wild west.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost any industry lacks oversight in the US , that is why that place is a litigious wild west .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost any industry lacks oversight in the US, that is why that place is a litigious wild west.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31304050</id>
	<title>Be happy it's this good</title>
	<author>WinstonWolfIT</author>
	<datestamp>1267351320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In most areas of Australia, your license gets scanned multiple times, and if you violate the speed laws by 1.8mph (as determined by the time elapsed between two known points), or violate the large commercial vehicle maximum hours of operation in a day, you get a nastigram in your mail the next day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In most areas of Australia , your license gets scanned multiple times , and if you violate the speed laws by 1.8mph ( as determined by the time elapsed between two known points ) , or violate the large commercial vehicle maximum hours of operation in a day , you get a nastigram in your mail the next day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most areas of Australia, your license gets scanned multiple times, and if you violate the speed laws by 1.8mph (as determined by the time elapsed between two known points), or violate the large commercial vehicle maximum hours of operation in a day, you get a nastigram in your mail the next day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300636</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1267275120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?<br></i><br>That alone I don't think requires oversight.</p><p>What DOES require oversight is the same system, but writing it to a database including current location.  Then selling said database to whomever.  Your health insurance provider starts scanning it to see how many times you've been seen at Mickey-Ds in the last year.  Once a week?  Sorry sir, you'll have to pay a higher premium for that.</p><p>Or how about the new business called Cyber Stalkers!  For only $50 a search we'll tell you the daily traffic patterns of anyone you desire.  For only $1000, you can get on the "privacy list" so people with $50 can't see where you've been.  (If you'd like to see the where people with the privacy option have been call us for pricing details).</p><p>Too outlandish?  Never happen because too many would object?  Why not a more acceptable service where only "bad" people get reported on.  Enter "Strip club search!"  For only $20 a search we'll tell you if you're loved one has been at all the local strip clubs (name, dates, locations, and duration).  It's OK because it only targets those dirty strip club guys.</p><p>There's countless ways an automated system like this can destroy peoples privacy in ways that don't exist right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does somebody driving down the ( public ) road taking a picture of your ( public ) license plate on your car parked in ( public ) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight ? That alone I do n't think requires oversight.What DOES require oversight is the same system , but writing it to a database including current location .
Then selling said database to whomever .
Your health insurance provider starts scanning it to see how many times you 've been seen at Mickey-Ds in the last year .
Once a week ?
Sorry sir , you 'll have to pay a higher premium for that.Or how about the new business called Cyber Stalkers !
For only $ 50 a search we 'll tell you the daily traffic patterns of anyone you desire .
For only $ 1000 , you can get on the " privacy list " so people with $ 50 ca n't see where you 've been .
( If you 'd like to see the where people with the privacy option have been call us for pricing details ) .Too outlandish ?
Never happen because too many would object ?
Why not a more acceptable service where only " bad " people get reported on .
Enter " Strip club search !
" For only $ 20 a search we 'll tell you if you 're loved one has been at all the local strip clubs ( name , dates , locations , and duration ) .
It 's OK because it only targets those dirty strip club guys.There 's countless ways an automated system like this can destroy peoples privacy in ways that do n't exist right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?That alone I don't think requires oversight.What DOES require oversight is the same system, but writing it to a database including current location.
Then selling said database to whomever.
Your health insurance provider starts scanning it to see how many times you've been seen at Mickey-Ds in the last year.
Once a week?
Sorry sir, you'll have to pay a higher premium for that.Or how about the new business called Cyber Stalkers!
For only $50 a search we'll tell you the daily traffic patterns of anyone you desire.
For only $1000, you can get on the "privacy list" so people with $50 can't see where you've been.
(If you'd like to see the where people with the privacy option have been call us for pricing details).Too outlandish?
Never happen because too many would object?
Why not a more acceptable service where only "bad" people get reported on.
Enter "Strip club search!
"  For only $20 a search we'll tell you if you're loved one has been at all the local strip clubs (name, dates, locations, and duration).
It's OK because it only targets those dirty strip club guys.There's countless ways an automated system like this can destroy peoples privacy in ways that don't exist right now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300414</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300470</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1267273500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree...if you want to drive you need to pay insurance/tax/parking, etc., ie. act like a member of the society you're so happy to leech off. Oh, and pay for the car as well - they catch loads of stolen cars or cars where people don't make payments.</p><p>ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras are widespread in the UK and they definitely get my vote.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree...if you want to drive you need to pay insurance/tax/parking , etc. , ie .
act like a member of the society you 're so happy to leech off .
Oh , and pay for the car as well - they catch loads of stolen cars or cars where people do n't make payments.ANPR ( Automatic Number Plate Recognition ) cameras are widespread in the UK and they definitely get my vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree...if you want to drive you need to pay insurance/tax/parking, etc., ie.
act like a member of the society you're so happy to leech off.
Oh, and pay for the car as well - they catch loads of stolen cars or cars where people don't make payments.ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras are widespread in the UK and they definitely get my vote.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300378</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300488</id>
	<title>Like the film says</title>
	<author>BigFire</author>
	<datestamp>1267273740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The life of a repo man is always intense."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The life of a repo man is always intense .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The life of a repo man is always intense.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301764</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267284780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need to put one of these in *every* car and continuously upload photos and location to a FREE, publicly available database, tracking *everybody* including police units, elected officials, and big shot executives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to put one of these in * every * car and continuously upload photos and location to a FREE , publicly available database , tracking * everybody * including police units , elected officials , and big shot executives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to put one of these in *every* car and continuously upload photos and location to a FREE, publicly available database, tracking *everybody* including police units, elected officials, and big shot executives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31306370</id>
	<title>Re:This is just perfect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267377420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you could try writing your congressman before resorting to vigilantism, but, naaah.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could try writing your congressman before resorting to vigilantism , but , naaah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could try writing your congressman before resorting to vigilantism, but, naaah.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31303706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300514</id>
	<title>Use a Geiger Counter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267273980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The easiest way is to track the alien in the trunk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The easiest way is to track the alien in the trunk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The easiest way is to track the alien in the trunk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31302386</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>korean.ian</author>
	<datestamp>1267290120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, someone with a modicum of common sense who manages not to see the problem in absolute terms. A rare breed here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , someone with a modicum of common sense who manages not to see the problem in absolute terms .
A rare breed here on / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, someone with a modicum of common sense who manages not to see the problem in absolute terms.
A rare breed here on /.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31304648</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267362780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always take a taxi to the strip club.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always take a taxi to the strip club .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always take a taxi to the strip club.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31304574</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>LordLucless</author>
	<datestamp>1267361820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Service has been around for a while. They're called "Private Investigators". Much more expensive, but basically the same thing. So what you're complaining about isn't that something new is now possible, but that something old is now possible more cheaply. If the service in question is indeed a problem, then it needs to be solved upstream - if its "bad" to do it cheaply, it's "bad" to do it expensively, so both should be made illegal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Service has been around for a while .
They 're called " Private Investigators " .
Much more expensive , but basically the same thing .
So what you 're complaining about is n't that something new is now possible , but that something old is now possible more cheaply .
If the service in question is indeed a problem , then it needs to be solved upstream - if its " bad " to do it cheaply , it 's " bad " to do it expensively , so both should be made illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Service has been around for a while.
They're called "Private Investigators".
Much more expensive, but basically the same thing.
So what you're complaining about isn't that something new is now possible, but that something old is now possible more cheaply.
If the service in question is indeed a problem, then it needs to be solved upstream - if its "bad" to do it cheaply, it's "bad" to do it expensively, so both should be made illegal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300846</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301434</id>
	<title>Re:Use a Geiger Counter</title>
	<author>Lucid 3ntr0py</author>
	<datestamp>1267281900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny noone gets the repo man comment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny noone gets the repo man comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny noone gets the repo man comment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300514</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301924</id>
	<title>Re:Worse still</title>
	<author>Phrogman</author>
	<datestamp>1267286100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its tracking my license plate information. Who is to say I didn't lend my car to a friend? I have no way to prove it wasn't me, so I get tarred with whatever my friend did while s/he had the car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its tracking my license plate information .
Who is to say I did n't lend my car to a friend ?
I have no way to prove it was n't me , so I get tarred with whatever my friend did while s/he had the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its tracking my license plate information.
Who is to say I didn't lend my car to a friend?
I have no way to prove it wasn't me, so I get tarred with whatever my friend did while s/he had the car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31305438</id>
	<title>Re:This is just perfect!</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1267370700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good luck with that when you try to take the one I'm holding, which requires assaulting me, which puts me in fear for my life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck with that when you try to take the one I 'm holding , which requires assaulting me , which puts me in fear for my life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck with that when you try to take the one I'm holding, which requires assaulting me, which puts me in fear for my life.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31303706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300414</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267273020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does somebody driving down the ( public ) road taking a picture of your ( public ) license plate on your car parked in ( public ) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300828</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>JoeMerchant</author>
	<datestamp>1267276800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>
I was thinking about near-future tech applications a few years back (maybe 2004), and I came up with the idea of mounting belly-cams in commercial jetliners.  These could be trained on interstate highways and read license plates in favorable weather.  Miami-LAX flights could monitor I-10, Miami-NY could watch I-95, etc.  Not much investment or operating expense in exchange for a tremendous amount of near real-time information about who is traveling the long-distance highways.<br> <br>

It isn't "if", it's "when" this tech is deployed.  On the one hand, I'd like to have a camera pointed out my front window recording every license tag that passes my house - on the other hand, I'd really rather not be called in for questioning just because I drove by the scene of a crime around the same time it supposedly happened.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking about near-future tech applications a few years back ( maybe 2004 ) , and I came up with the idea of mounting belly-cams in commercial jetliners .
These could be trained on interstate highways and read license plates in favorable weather .
Miami-LAX flights could monitor I-10 , Miami-NY could watch I-95 , etc .
Not much investment or operating expense in exchange for a tremendous amount of near real-time information about who is traveling the long-distance highways .
It is n't " if " , it 's " when " this tech is deployed .
On the one hand , I 'd like to have a camera pointed out my front window recording every license tag that passes my house - on the other hand , I 'd really rather not be called in for questioning just because I drove by the scene of a crime around the same time it supposedly happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I was thinking about near-future tech applications a few years back (maybe 2004), and I came up with the idea of mounting belly-cams in commercial jetliners.
These could be trained on interstate highways and read license plates in favorable weather.
Miami-LAX flights could monitor I-10, Miami-NY could watch I-95, etc.
Not much investment or operating expense in exchange for a tremendous amount of near real-time information about who is traveling the long-distance highways.
It isn't "if", it's "when" this tech is deployed.
On the one hand, I'd like to have a camera pointed out my front window recording every license tag that passes my house - on the other hand, I'd really rather not be called in for questioning just because I drove by the scene of a crime around the same time it supposedly happened.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300414</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31302394</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1267290240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?</p></div><p>Because law will not allow me to cover or remove the license plate. It would be like saying it's perfectly fine for a person to take a picture of you through the window in your home, and having a law requiring you to have an open window in every room.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does somebody driving down the ( public ) road taking a picture of your ( public ) license plate on your car parked in ( public ) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight ? Because law will not allow me to cover or remove the license plate .
It would be like saying it 's perfectly fine for a person to take a picture of you through the window in your home , and having a law requiring you to have an open window in every room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?Because law will not allow me to cover or remove the license plate.
It would be like saying it's perfectly fine for a person to take a picture of you through the window in your home, and having a law requiring you to have an open window in every room.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300414</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31306036</id>
	<title>Re:Big Business Will Bring Big Brother</title>
	<author>whipnet</author>
	<datestamp>1267375020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What makes you think we'll have a need to go to someone's house or to the store in the future?</p><p>They will have us all neatly tucked away in our homes soon.</p><p>*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes you think we 'll have a need to go to someone 's house or to the store in the future ? They will have us all neatly tucked away in our homes soon .
*</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes you think we'll have a need to go to someone's house or to the store in the future?They will have us all neatly tucked away in our homes soon.
*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31310640</id>
	<title>Someone please sell me a polarizing filter?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267365420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Might I suggest that someone take the following idea and run with it?  It ought to buy us another few years of invisibility to at least the cameras mounted on overpasses and intersection utility poles.</p><p>The idea is to produce polarized filters for use as license plate covers, in such a way that the filter makes it easy to read a plate when you are at the same elevation as the plate, but impossible to read it when you are at an angle more than 20\% higher than the plate.</p><p>This way, police driving behind you will still be able to read the plate, even if they are several lanes over from you.  This will most likely keep them from even noticing the filter exists -- it'll just look like a dirty plate.</p><p>However, cameras mounted above traffic won't be able to read the plates until they are quite far away, making it more likely than naught that they won't be able to read them at all (due to obstruction by other cars, distance, and being pointed downward at an angle too steep to make out the plate).</p><p>To anyone seeing the car at ground level, the plate would be perfectly readable.  To those seeing the plate from above, it would be black.</p><p>You could actually take this a step further and put lettering into the filter itself that would also only be visible from above.  And at the manufacturing facility you could use a random set of numbers and letters to prevent overhead viewers from easily distinguishing between the letters on the license plates and the letters on the filters.  The lettering on the filtering wouldn't show up to viewers on the ground and wouldn't obstruct visibility of the plate from ground-level.</p><p>Not sure whether this is a new idea, but if you take it and save the world for a few years, at least let me know.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>therealchewtoy@gmail.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Might I suggest that someone take the following idea and run with it ?
It ought to buy us another few years of invisibility to at least the cameras mounted on overpasses and intersection utility poles.The idea is to produce polarized filters for use as license plate covers , in such a way that the filter makes it easy to read a plate when you are at the same elevation as the plate , but impossible to read it when you are at an angle more than 20 \ % higher than the plate.This way , police driving behind you will still be able to read the plate , even if they are several lanes over from you .
This will most likely keep them from even noticing the filter exists -- it 'll just look like a dirty plate.However , cameras mounted above traffic wo n't be able to read the plates until they are quite far away , making it more likely than naught that they wo n't be able to read them at all ( due to obstruction by other cars , distance , and being pointed downward at an angle too steep to make out the plate ) .To anyone seeing the car at ground level , the plate would be perfectly readable .
To those seeing the plate from above , it would be black.You could actually take this a step further and put lettering into the filter itself that would also only be visible from above .
And at the manufacturing facility you could use a random set of numbers and letters to prevent overhead viewers from easily distinguishing between the letters on the license plates and the letters on the filters .
The lettering on the filtering would n't show up to viewers on the ground and would n't obstruct visibility of the plate from ground-level.Not sure whether this is a new idea , but if you take it and save the world for a few years , at least let me know .
; - ) therealchewtoy @ gmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Might I suggest that someone take the following idea and run with it?
It ought to buy us another few years of invisibility to at least the cameras mounted on overpasses and intersection utility poles.The idea is to produce polarized filters for use as license plate covers, in such a way that the filter makes it easy to read a plate when you are at the same elevation as the plate, but impossible to read it when you are at an angle more than 20\% higher than the plate.This way, police driving behind you will still be able to read the plate, even if they are several lanes over from you.
This will most likely keep them from even noticing the filter exists -- it'll just look like a dirty plate.However, cameras mounted above traffic won't be able to read the plates until they are quite far away, making it more likely than naught that they won't be able to read them at all (due to obstruction by other cars, distance, and being pointed downward at an angle too steep to make out the plate).To anyone seeing the car at ground level, the plate would be perfectly readable.
To those seeing the plate from above, it would be black.You could actually take this a step further and put lettering into the filter itself that would also only be visible from above.
And at the manufacturing facility you could use a random set of numbers and letters to prevent overhead viewers from easily distinguishing between the letters on the license plates and the letters on the filters.
The lettering on the filtering wouldn't show up to viewers on the ground and wouldn't obstruct visibility of the plate from ground-level.Not sure whether this is a new idea, but if you take it and save the world for a few years, at least let me know.
;-)therealchewtoy@gmail.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31309176</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Ceseuron</author>
	<datestamp>1267354560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?</p></div><p>Unless you've been living in some alternate reality or are just another one of the sheeple in this country who keep their heads buried firmly in the sand, the need for oversight should be painfully obvious. A database like this would be useful to banks looking to recover assets of course. However, I seriously doubt you can sit there with a straight face and offer a guarantee to everyone that this MVTRAC system will be used only for this purpose at the exclusion of all other possible uses a government or private organization that is not involved with asset recovery could have for it. In short, it's not the initial intent of the program that bothers me, but rather the broader implications on privacy. Creating yet another tool for people to be tracked and their driving habits monitored without bothering to put some framework in place to oversee who has access to it and what it's being used for presents a far to tantalizing opportunity for misuse.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does somebody driving down the ( public ) road taking a picture of your ( public ) license plate on your car parked in ( public ) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight ? Unless you 've been living in some alternate reality or are just another one of the sheeple in this country who keep their heads buried firmly in the sand , the need for oversight should be painfully obvious .
A database like this would be useful to banks looking to recover assets of course .
However , I seriously doubt you can sit there with a straight face and offer a guarantee to everyone that this MVTRAC system will be used only for this purpose at the exclusion of all other possible uses a government or private organization that is not involved with asset recovery could have for it .
In short , it 's not the initial intent of the program that bothers me , but rather the broader implications on privacy .
Creating yet another tool for people to be tracked and their driving habits monitored without bothering to put some framework in place to oversee who has access to it and what it 's being used for presents a far to tantalizing opportunity for misuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does somebody driving down the (public) road taking a picture of your (public) license plate on your car parked in (public) plain view and comparing it to a list need oversight?Unless you've been living in some alternate reality or are just another one of the sheeple in this country who keep their heads buried firmly in the sand, the need for oversight should be painfully obvious.
A database like this would be useful to banks looking to recover assets of course.
However, I seriously doubt you can sit there with a straight face and offer a guarantee to everyone that this MVTRAC system will be used only for this purpose at the exclusion of all other possible uses a government or private organization that is not involved with asset recovery could have for it.
In short, it's not the initial intent of the program that bothers me, but rather the broader implications on privacy.
Creating yet another tool for people to be tracked and their driving habits monitored without bothering to put some framework in place to oversee who has access to it and what it's being used for presents a far to tantalizing opportunity for misuse.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300414</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300818</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267276740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.</p><p>John</p></div><p>Are you <i>sure</i> about that?
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/right2travel.shtml" title="lawfulpath.com"> </a> [lawfulpath.com]
<br>
<a href="http://educate-yourself.org/cn/drivingisrightnotprivledge07apr05.shtml" title="educate-yourself.org"> </a> [educate-yourself.org]
<br>
<a href="http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics\%20and\%20History/DrivingRight.html" title="the7thfire.com"> </a> [the7thfire.com]
<br>
<a href="http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3375" title="capmag.com"> </a> [capmag.com]
<br> <br>
That's what all of about three milliseconds of Google time found me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , driving is not a right in the US.JohnAre you sure about that ?
[ lawfulpath.com ] [ educate-yourself.org ] [ the7thfire.com ] [ capmag.com ] That 's what all of about three milliseconds of Google time found me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.JohnAre you sure about that?
[lawfulpath.com]

  [educate-yourself.org]

  [the7thfire.com]

  [capmag.com]
 
That's what all of about three milliseconds of Google time found me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300378</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31304432</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>Tuoqui</author>
	<datestamp>1267359060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy way to thwart this system would be to cover your plates when you're parked. Assuming 'unplated' vehicles are legally allowed to be parked</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy way to thwart this system would be to cover your plates when you 're parked .
Assuming 'unplated ' vehicles are legally allowed to be parked</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy way to thwart this system would be to cover your plates when you're parked.
Assuming 'unplated' vehicles are legally allowed to be parked</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300618</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300378</id>
	<title>driving is not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267272720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.</p><p>John</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , driving is not a right in the US.John</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.John</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31307934</id>
	<title>Remember: 7of9 was a hive member.</title>
	<author>ormondotvos</author>
	<datestamp>1267388040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one welcome our new and interesting voyage into group supervision. If you think about it, our genome is pre-adapted to this sort of group surveillance, according to the cognitive science researchers. Wiki "Dunbar's number" (~150) to start.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new and interesting voyage into group supervision .
If you think about it , our genome is pre-adapted to this sort of group surveillance , according to the cognitive science researchers .
Wiki " Dunbar 's number " ( ~ 150 ) to start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new and interesting voyage into group supervision.
If you think about it, our genome is pre-adapted to this sort of group surveillance, according to the cognitive science researchers.
Wiki "Dunbar's number" (~150) to start.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31308464</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1267348920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could currently offer that same service.   It would just cost more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could currently offer that same service .
It would just cost more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could currently offer that same service.
It would just cost more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300846</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31304636</id>
	<title>Re:simple ?</title>
	<author>GigaplexNZ</author>
	<datestamp>1267362600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure for $600/mo they are providing more than one camera.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure for $ 600/mo they are providing more than one camera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure for $600/mo they are providing more than one camera.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300366</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300358</id>
	<title>This is just perfect!</title>
	<author>dfetter</author>
	<datestamp>1267272540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...for stalkers.</p><p>Time to ban!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...for stalkers.Time to ban !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...for stalkers.Time to ban!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31304188</id>
	<title>Get rid of license plates</title>
	<author>meteormarc</author>
	<datestamp>1267353780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Technically, there is not a good reason why people should drive around with a visible license plate. Within 10 years or so, cars will drive a round with a GPS and some module to transmit their location and identification for whichever purposes the government thinks it is needed (usage fees, maintaining traffic laws, etc.). Others will not be able to read location and identification signals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically , there is not a good reason why people should drive around with a visible license plate .
Within 10 years or so , cars will drive a round with a GPS and some module to transmit their location and identification for whichever purposes the government thinks it is needed ( usage fees , maintaining traffic laws , etc. ) .
Others will not be able to read location and identification signals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Technically, there is not a good reason why people should drive around with a visible license plate.
Within 10 years or so, cars will drive a round with a GPS and some module to transmit their location and identification for whichever purposes the government thinks it is needed (usage fees, maintaining traffic laws, etc.).
Others will not be able to read location and identification signals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300876</id>
	<title>I wonder...</title>
	<author>marciot</author>
	<datestamp>1267277220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...if it is legal to mount your license plate upside down -- and whether it would fool such systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...if it is legal to mount your license plate upside down -- and whether it would fool such systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...if it is legal to mount your license plate upside down -- and whether it would fool such systems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31307930</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>scifiber\_phil</author>
	<datestamp>1267387980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this for an assumption: Even though we are out in public, we should be allowed to be left alone. I don't exist in order to be tracked, thus adding to your income stream. The assumption that we all must be tracked in order to catch a minority deadbeats is flawed. In the US, you cannot even go fishing without giving out your SSN for a fishing license. This was sold as a way to track down deadbeat dads. Now my SSN is in a fish commission database that can be accessed by little machines in all outlets that sell the licenses. How long do you think it will be before the database is hacked, and someone will be buying lunch in Russia with a credit card using my SSN while i"m fishing in the US? But, hey, that's the price we must pay for catching a few deadbeats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this for an assumption : Even though we are out in public , we should be allowed to be left alone .
I do n't exist in order to be tracked , thus adding to your income stream .
The assumption that we all must be tracked in order to catch a minority deadbeats is flawed .
In the US , you can not even go fishing without giving out your SSN for a fishing license .
This was sold as a way to track down deadbeat dads .
Now my SSN is in a fish commission database that can be accessed by little machines in all outlets that sell the licenses .
How long do you think it will be before the database is hacked , and someone will be buying lunch in Russia with a credit card using my SSN while i " m fishing in the US ?
But , hey , that 's the price we must pay for catching a few deadbeats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this for an assumption: Even though we are out in public, we should be allowed to be left alone.
I don't exist in order to be tracked, thus adding to your income stream.
The assumption that we all must be tracked in order to catch a minority deadbeats is flawed.
In the US, you cannot even go fishing without giving out your SSN for a fishing license.
This was sold as a way to track down deadbeat dads.
Now my SSN is in a fish commission database that can be accessed by little machines in all outlets that sell the licenses.
How long do you think it will be before the database is hacked, and someone will be buying lunch in Russia with a credit card using my SSN while i"m fishing in the US?
But, hey, that's the price we must pay for catching a few deadbeats.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300548</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300548</id>
	<title>Not Private Information</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267274220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this. The fact that a vehicle with a certain license number is at a certain location is public information and there is no reasonable assumption of privacy. Anyone walking down the street can gather this information. The use of vehicles and tag scanners just makes it faster. If they were logging license numbers of vehicles in locked garages, private property not visible from the street, etc then there would be an issue as there is an assumption of privacy and laws (B&amp;E, trespassing, etc) would have to be broken to obtain the information.</p><p>This service just centralizes what is already done by the parking authority of every major city; ever watch "Parking Wars"? All it does is allows more organizations access to the same database of vehicle locations.</p><p>Who is able to obtain this information is a different story. Either by regulation or industry standard this information should only be given to organizations who have a legitimate need for it; repo, law enforcement, etc. It should not be given to every person who wants to track someone else. Stalking is a concern and should be addressed.</p><p>The use of public information and technology to catch deadbeats and lawbreakers is not a bad thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this .
The fact that a vehicle with a certain license number is at a certain location is public information and there is no reasonable assumption of privacy .
Anyone walking down the street can gather this information .
The use of vehicles and tag scanners just makes it faster .
If they were logging license numbers of vehicles in locked garages , private property not visible from the street , etc then there would be an issue as there is an assumption of privacy and laws ( B&amp;E , trespassing , etc ) would have to be broken to obtain the information.This service just centralizes what is already done by the parking authority of every major city ; ever watch " Parking Wars " ?
All it does is allows more organizations access to the same database of vehicle locations.Who is able to obtain this information is a different story .
Either by regulation or industry standard this information should only be given to organizations who have a legitimate need for it ; repo , law enforcement , etc .
It should not be given to every person who wants to track someone else .
Stalking is a concern and should be addressed.The use of public information and technology to catch deadbeats and lawbreakers is not a bad thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this.
The fact that a vehicle with a certain license number is at a certain location is public information and there is no reasonable assumption of privacy.
Anyone walking down the street can gather this information.
The use of vehicles and tag scanners just makes it faster.
If they were logging license numbers of vehicles in locked garages, private property not visible from the street, etc then there would be an issue as there is an assumption of privacy and laws (B&amp;E, trespassing, etc) would have to be broken to obtain the information.This service just centralizes what is already done by the parking authority of every major city; ever watch "Parking Wars"?
All it does is allows more organizations access to the same database of vehicle locations.Who is able to obtain this information is a different story.
Either by regulation or industry standard this information should only be given to organizations who have a legitimate need for it; repo, law enforcement, etc.
It should not be given to every person who wants to track someone else.
Stalking is a concern and should be addressed.The use of public information and technology to catch deadbeats and lawbreakers is not a bad thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31304266</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder...</title>
	<author>BiggerIsBetter</author>
	<datestamp>1267355280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...if it is legal to mount your license plate upside down -- and whether it would fool such systems.</p></div><p>If you can defeat this system you can probably defeat speed cameras and red-light cameras... so it'll probably be illegal to do so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...if it is legal to mount your license plate upside down -- and whether it would fool such systems.If you can defeat this system you can probably defeat speed cameras and red-light cameras... so it 'll probably be illegal to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...if it is legal to mount your license plate upside down -- and whether it would fool such systems.If you can defeat this system you can probably defeat speed cameras and red-light cameras... so it'll probably be illegal to do so.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300876</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300898</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1267277400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this.</p></div><p>Well, its about damn time that the legal standpoint changed.  Technology has changed and the laws need to catch up.  At one point we didn't even have license plates, the law changed because there was a need for something like them and at the time the balance of pros versus cons tilted towards the pro side.  New technology has changed that balance towards the con side and the law needs to change with it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this.Well , its about damn time that the legal standpoint changed .
Technology has changed and the laws need to catch up .
At one point we did n't even have license plates , the law changed because there was a need for something like them and at the time the balance of pros versus cons tilted towards the pro side .
New technology has changed that balance towards the con side and the law needs to change with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a legal standpoint there is nothing wrong with this.Well, its about damn time that the legal standpoint changed.
Technology has changed and the laws need to catch up.
At one point we didn't even have license plates, the law changed because there was a need for something like them and at the time the balance of pros versus cons tilted towards the pro side.
New technology has changed that balance towards the con side and the law needs to change with it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300548</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300376</id>
	<title>Can you help me...</title>
	<author>ak\_hepcat</author>
	<datestamp>1267272720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>find my internet girlfriend?</p><p>she said she went to school yesterday, but my best friend Mike who says he's in her class didn't see her at all, and that she hasn't taught class all week..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>find my internet girlfriend ? she said she went to school yesterday , but my best friend Mike who says he 's in her class did n't see her at all , and that she has n't taught class all week. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>find my internet girlfriend?she said she went to school yesterday, but my best friend Mike who says he's in her class didn't see her at all, and that she hasn't taught class all week..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31305866</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>Bruha</author>
	<datestamp>1267373700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes it's only when the government wants to track political partisans is when it becomes a problem.  Bush would of loved this system to help spot his detractors and protesters and allowed him to avoid them even more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes it 's only when the government wants to track political partisans is when it becomes a problem .
Bush would of loved this system to help spot his detractors and protesters and allowed him to avoid them even more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes it's only when the government wants to track political partisans is when it becomes a problem.
Bush would of loved this system to help spot his detractors and protesters and allowed him to avoid them even more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300408</id>
	<title>It's not just America</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267273020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The automobile is cultural heroin, and countries, as they "modernize", are lining up at the pusher's corner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The automobile is cultural heroin , and countries , as they " modernize " , are lining up at the pusher 's corner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The automobile is cultural heroin, and countries, as they "modernize", are lining up at the pusher's corner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31303706</id>
	<title>Re:This is just perfect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267389780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds like a perfect time to start destroying video cameras we find in public, regardless of who owns them or what they are for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like a perfect time to start destroying video cameras we find in public , regardless of who owns them or what they are for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like a perfect time to start destroying video cameras we find in public, regardless of who owns them or what they are for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300366</id>
	<title>simple ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267272660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$600/mo ? you could take a webcam and run it through any ocr software and get the same result for less than $600/month.<br>wtf ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 600/mo ?
you could take a webcam and run it through any ocr software and get the same result for less than $ 600/month.wtf ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$600/mo ?
you could take a webcam and run it through any ocr software and get the same result for less than $600/month.wtf ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301266</id>
	<title>Re:Big Business Will Bring Big Brother</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1267280640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vandalism will also be a factor. If I thought I wanted some anonymity for some real reason, I wouldn't have any bad feelings about shining a bright laser into all sorts of things (and as computers get better at automatic surveillance, they will also get better at being able to point that laser by themselves).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vandalism will also be a factor .
If I thought I wanted some anonymity for some real reason , I would n't have any bad feelings about shining a bright laser into all sorts of things ( and as computers get better at automatic surveillance , they will also get better at being able to point that laser by themselves ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vandalism will also be a factor.
If I thought I wanted some anonymity for some real reason, I wouldn't have any bad feelings about shining a bright laser into all sorts of things (and as computers get better at automatic surveillance, they will also get better at being able to point that laser by themselves).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300452</id>
	<title>That's the first I've heard of this!</title>
	<author>ipX</author>
	<datestamp>1267273380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a "nosy citizen with enough cash," I have been waiting to <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/25/1445216" title="slashdot.org">find out if the mayor is having an affair</a> [slashdot.org] by tracking his plates. The <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/30/0145253" title="slashdot.org">ACLU doesn't like it</a> [slashdot.org] but <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/09/17/1622223.shtml" title="slashdot.org">nobody cares</a> [slashdot.org]. <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/08/02/203216.shtml" title="slashdot.org">Or do they?</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a " nosy citizen with enough cash , " I have been waiting to find out if the mayor is having an affair [ slashdot.org ] by tracking his plates .
The ACLU does n't like it [ slashdot.org ] but nobody cares [ slashdot.org ] .
Or do they ?
[ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a "nosy citizen with enough cash," I have been waiting to find out if the mayor is having an affair [slashdot.org] by tracking his plates.
The ACLU doesn't like it [slashdot.org] but nobody cares [slashdot.org].
Or do they?
[slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300556</id>
	<title>What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267274280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares if people know where your car is?  Sure, it's an "invasion of privacy", but what's the big deal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares if people know where your car is ?
Sure , it 's an " invasion of privacy " , but what 's the big deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares if people know where your car is?
Sure, it's an "invasion of privacy", but what's the big deal?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300792</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1267276440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.</p><p>John</p></div><p>Are you sure about that?
<br> <br>
<a href="http://educate-yourself.org/cn/drivingisrightnotprivledge07apr05.shtml" title="educate-yourself.org"> </a> [educate-yourself.org]
<br>
<a href="http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics\%20and\%20History/DrivingRight.html" title="the7thfire.com"> </a> [the7thfire.com]
<br>
<a href="http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3375" title="capmag.com"> </a> [capmag.com]
<br>
<a href="http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/right2travel.shtml" title="lawfulpath.com"> </a> [lawfulpath.com]
<br> <br>
That's what all of about three milliseconds of Google time found me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , driving is not a right in the US.JohnAre you sure about that ?
[ educate-yourself.org ] [ the7thfire.com ] [ capmag.com ] [ lawfulpath.com ] That 's what all of about three milliseconds of Google time found me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.JohnAre you sure about that?
[educate-yourself.org]

  [the7thfire.com]

  [capmag.com]

  [lawfulpath.com]
 
That's what all of about three milliseconds of Google time found me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31303036</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>RealGrouchy</author>
	<datestamp>1267295700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>*(service not available for elected officials, law enforcement officers, or judges by state law)</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.straight.com/article-241670/bars-and-clubs-cant-scan-drivers-licences" title="straight.com" rel="nofollow">or in Canada</a> [straight.com] (thankfully)</p><p>- RG&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* ( service not available for elected officials , law enforcement officers , or judges by state law ) or in Canada [ straight.com ] ( thankfully ) - RG &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*(service not available for elected officials, law enforcement officers, or judges by state law) or in Canada [straight.com] (thankfully)- RG&gt;
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300874</id>
	<title>Re:Big Business Will Bring Big Brother</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1267277220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've long said that we'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state.</p></div><p>And you'd be wrong, but not by much.

We're losing our privacy because because both of those entities have been sleeping together. As Benito Mussolini pointed out:
<br> <br>
<i>Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power</i>
<br> <br>
That's where we're headed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've long said that we 'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state.And you 'd be wrong , but not by much .
We 're losing our privacy because because both of those entities have been sleeping together .
As Benito Mussolini pointed out : Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power That 's where we 're headed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've long said that we'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state.And you'd be wrong, but not by much.
We're losing our privacy because because both of those entities have been sleeping together.
As Benito Mussolini pointed out:
 
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power
 
That's where we're headed.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31301022</id>
	<title>emilio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267278720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Repo mans always intense</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Repo mans always intense</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Repo mans always intense</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300696</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>The End Of Days</author>
	<datestamp>1267275600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this super seeding in any way an infringement on Monsanto patents?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this super seeding in any way an infringement on Monsanto patents ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this super seeding in any way an infringement on Monsanto patents?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31302426</id>
	<title>Re:Big Business Will Bring Big Brother</title>
	<author>sdturf</author>
	<datestamp>1267290420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've long said that we'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state..</p></div><p>You mean it's been big business installing the cameras on the intersections and streets?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've long said that we 'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state..You mean it 's been big business installing the cameras on the intersections and streets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've long said that we'll lose our privacy to business before we lose it to a totalitarian state..You mean it's been big business installing the cameras on the intersections and streets?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31302618</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>Leebert</author>
	<datestamp>1267292040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.</p></div><p>I pay for roads.  It's a right.  A revokeable right, but a right nonetheless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , driving is not a right in the US.I pay for roads .
It 's a right .
A revokeable right , but a right nonetheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, driving is not a right in the US.I pay for roads.
It's a right.
A revokeable right, but a right nonetheless.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300618</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1267274940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Driving's not a right, but a certain amount of privacy should be, and unless you want a database of where <em>you</em> drive for sale whether you make your automobile payments or not, you should probably be on the side of people who are interested in oversight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Driving 's not a right , but a certain amount of privacy should be , and unless you want a database of where you drive for sale whether you make your automobile payments or not , you should probably be on the side of people who are interested in oversight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Driving's not a right, but a certain amount of privacy should be, and unless you want a database of where you drive for sale whether you make your automobile payments or not, you should probably be on the side of people who are interested in oversight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300798</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1267276440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it doesn't get used by stalkers, jealous ex-whatevers, etc. So it isn't used carelessly by banks such that cars get wrongfully repoed, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it does n't get used by stalkers , jealous ex-whatevers , etc .
So it is n't used carelessly by banks such that cars get wrongfully repoed , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it doesn't get used by stalkers, jealous ex-whatevers, etc.
So it isn't used carelessly by banks such that cars get wrongfully repoed, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31306472</id>
	<title>Re:driving is not a right</title>
	<author>Smauler</author>
	<datestamp>1267377960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, people who drive without insurance etc just find a car the same as theirs and copy the numberplate.  Which means that all speeding tickets, parking fines, congestion charges etc go to the unfortunate owner of the original car.  This is a growing problem, an ANPR is compounding it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , people who drive without insurance etc just find a car the same as theirs and copy the numberplate .
Which means that all speeding tickets , parking fines , congestion charges etc go to the unfortunate owner of the original car .
This is a growing problem , an ANPR is compounding it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, people who drive without insurance etc just find a car the same as theirs and copy the numberplate.
Which means that all speeding tickets, parking fines, congestion charges etc go to the unfortunate owner of the original car.
This is a growing problem, an ANPR is compounding it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300440</id>
	<title>20 years ago</title>
	<author>R3coiler</author>
	<datestamp>1267273200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They had this technology twenty years ago.  It mainly consisted of Rain Man memorizing license plate numbers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They had this technology twenty years ago .
It mainly consisted of Rain Man memorizing license plate numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They had this technology twenty years ago.
It mainly consisted of Rain Man memorizing license plate numbers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31300846</id>
	<title>Re:Not Private Information</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1267276980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>The use of public information and technology to catch deadbeats and lawbreakers is not a bad thing.<br></i><br>How about other "bad" people?  My new Bar Watcher service will tell you if your loved one is at one of 30 local area bars.  For only $10 a search we'll give you time, location, and duration.  For an annual subscription of only $100 we'll send you a text message every time we see your loved ones car (or one of his friends cars) at the local bars.  Sign up now! *</p><p>We also have our gamblers search!  Same service, for all the local Casinos!</p><p>*(service not available for elected officials, law enforcement officers, or judges by state law)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The use of public information and technology to catch deadbeats and lawbreakers is not a bad thing.How about other " bad " people ?
My new Bar Watcher service will tell you if your loved one is at one of 30 local area bars .
For only $ 10 a search we 'll give you time , location , and duration .
For an annual subscription of only $ 100 we 'll send you a text message every time we see your loved ones car ( or one of his friends cars ) at the local bars .
Sign up now !
* We also have our gamblers search !
Same service , for all the local Casinos !
* ( service not available for elected officials , law enforcement officers , or judges by state law )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The use of public information and technology to catch deadbeats and lawbreakers is not a bad thing.How about other "bad" people?
My new Bar Watcher service will tell you if your loved one is at one of 30 local area bars.
For only $10 a search we'll give you time, location, and duration.
For an annual subscription of only $100 we'll send you a text message every time we see your loved ones car (or one of his friends cars) at the local bars.
Sign up now!
*We also have our gamblers search!
Same service, for all the local Casinos!
*(service not available for elected officials, law enforcement officers, or judges by state law)</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_1913200.31305334
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