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	<title>Project M Could Send Every Scientist To the Moon, By Proxy</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267294860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes with this interesting bit of speculation: <i>"NASA can put humanoids on the Moon in just 1000 days. They would be <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5480622/nasa-project-m-sends-every-scientist-to-the-moon">controlled by scientists on Earth using motion capture suits</a>, giving them the feeling of being on the lunar surface. If they can achieve this for real, the results for science research of our satellite could be amazing."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes with this interesting bit of speculation : " NASA can put humanoids on the Moon in just 1000 days .
They would be controlled by scientists on Earth using motion capture suits , giving them the feeling of being on the lunar surface .
If they can achieve this for real , the results for science research of our satellite could be amazing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes with this interesting bit of speculation: "NASA can put humanoids on the Moon in just 1000 days.
They would be controlled by scientists on Earth using motion capture suits, giving them the feeling of being on the lunar surface.
If they can achieve this for real, the results for science research of our satellite could be amazing.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296286</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267280160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pff... We can build machines and soon grow bodies. What do wen seed our genome for? Yes, may be nice. But definitely not a must.</p><p>Usually, our brain, in form of data, would suffice. And that one could be sent as data. Giving us light-speed travel to every location that we already reached the normal way. Think about it: Using <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Orion\_(nuclear\_propulsion)" title="wikipedia.org">Project Orion</a> [wikipedia.org] style rockets, we would perhaps just about get to Alpha Centauri when we would find a way to read a whole brain to transfer it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pff... We can build machines and soon grow bodies .
What do wen seed our genome for ?
Yes , may be nice .
But definitely not a must.Usually , our brain , in form of data , would suffice .
And that one could be sent as data .
Giving us light-speed travel to every location that we already reached the normal way .
Think about it : Using Project Orion [ wikipedia.org ] style rockets , we would perhaps just about get to Alpha Centauri when we would find a way to read a whole brain to transfer it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pff... We can build machines and soon grow bodies.
What do wen seed our genome for?
Yes, may be nice.
But definitely not a must.Usually, our brain, in form of data, would suffice.
And that one could be sent as data.
Giving us light-speed travel to every location that we already reached the normal way.
Think about it: Using Project Orion [wikipedia.org] style rockets, we would perhaps just about get to Alpha Centauri when we would find a way to read a whole brain to transfer it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296706</id>
	<title>Re:Why something so complex?</title>
	<author>Eudial</author>
	<datestamp>1267286700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh. There already are rovers on the moon. The Russians put <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod\_programme" title="wikipedia.org">them on the moon in the early '70s</a> [wikipedia.org]. Granted, with 1970s technology, they were less sophisticated than today's mars rovers. But they did essentially the same job, remarkably well I might add.</p><p>It's more than likely that these lunar rovers inspired the mars rovers. So it's amusing that the mars rovers should inspire lunar rovers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh .
There already are rovers on the moon .
The Russians put them on the moon in the early '70s [ wikipedia.org ] .
Granted , with 1970s technology , they were less sophisticated than today 's mars rovers .
But they did essentially the same job , remarkably well I might add.It 's more than likely that these lunar rovers inspired the mars rovers .
So it 's amusing that the mars rovers should inspire lunar rovers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh.
There already are rovers on the moon.
The Russians put them on the moon in the early '70s [wikipedia.org].
Granted, with 1970s technology, they were less sophisticated than today's mars rovers.
But they did essentially the same job, remarkably well I might add.It's more than likely that these lunar rovers inspired the mars rovers.
So it's amusing that the mars rovers should inspire lunar rovers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295284</id>
	<title>Science?</title>
	<author>piemcfly</author>
	<datestamp>1267301640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Science?! Screw science! You mean sports!<br> <br>
Become Lunar Boxing Heavy Weight Champion by punching an opponent into orbit!<br> <br>
Epic!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Science ? !
Screw science !
You mean sports !
Become Lunar Boxing Heavy Weight Champion by punching an opponent into orbit !
Epic !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Science?!
Screw science!
You mean sports!
Become Lunar Boxing Heavy Weight Champion by punching an opponent into orbit!
Epic!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31314052</id>
	<title>projectM is an awesome music visualizer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267447620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://projectm.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://projectm.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p><p>I don't see the connection with moon though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //projectm.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] I do n't see the connection with moon though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://projectm.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]I don't see the connection with moon though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295112</id>
	<title>Wikipedia + google calculator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>363104km = moon's orbital perigee.<br>405696km = moon's apogee.</p><p>2*363104 km/c = 2.42236914 seconds of round-trip signal delay.<br>2*405696 km/c = 2.70651238 s</p><p>So maybe we don't need round-trip time, but just one-way streaming time. Divide by two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>363104km = moon 's orbital perigee.405696km = moon 's apogee.2 * 363104 km/c = 2.42236914 seconds of round-trip signal delay.2 * 405696 km/c = 2.70651238 sSo maybe we do n't need round-trip time , but just one-way streaming time .
Divide by two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>363104km = moon's orbital perigee.405696km = moon's apogee.2*363104 km/c = 2.42236914 seconds of round-trip signal delay.2*405696 km/c = 2.70651238 sSo maybe we don't need round-trip time, but just one-way streaming time.
Divide by two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295320</id>
	<title>The results for science research of our satellite</title>
	<author>mac1235</author>
	<datestamp>1267302300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like what?  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like what ?
Anyone ? Anyone ?
Bueller ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like what?
Anyone?  Anyone?
Bueller?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295770</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>sictransitgloriacfa</author>
	<datestamp>1267268340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, yes; but sending up telepresence robots would let us build necessary infrastructure on the moon to make colonization much easier. One way, you have to keep launching oxygen, water, and food out of a deep gravity well to supply the astronauts until they can make all that for themselves. The other way, you just use robots to build the needed infrastructure first. The robots can also be made more resistant to solar radiation and temperature extremes, and if there's a big snafu, at least no one dies of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , yes ; but sending up telepresence robots would let us build necessary infrastructure on the moon to make colonization much easier .
One way , you have to keep launching oxygen , water , and food out of a deep gravity well to supply the astronauts until they can make all that for themselves .
The other way , you just use robots to build the needed infrastructure first .
The robots can also be made more resistant to solar radiation and temperature extremes , and if there 's a big snafu , at least no one dies of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, yes; but sending up telepresence robots would let us build necessary infrastructure on the moon to make colonization much easier.
One way, you have to keep launching oxygen, water, and food out of a deep gravity well to supply the astronauts until they can make all that for themselves.
The other way, you just use robots to build the needed infrastructure first.
The robots can also be made more resistant to solar radiation and temperature extremes, and if there's a big snafu, at least no one dies of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295062</id>
	<title>The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't get instant feedback from the moon. There's a slight delay. So, it doesn't really feel like you are holding something in your hands unless you're standing still. It mostly feels like you're drunk when you operate a waldo with a delay. People are going to have to get trained to deal with that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't get instant feedback from the moon .
There 's a slight delay .
So , it does n't really feel like you are holding something in your hands unless you 're standing still .
It mostly feels like you 're drunk when you operate a waldo with a delay .
People are going to have to get trained to deal with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't get instant feedback from the moon.
There's a slight delay.
So, it doesn't really feel like you are holding something in your hands unless you're standing still.
It mostly feels like you're drunk when you operate a waldo with a delay.
People are going to have to get trained to deal with that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31299740</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1267266180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We could have a Utopian society and streets paved with gold, but if an asteroid the size of Texas smashes into our planet it will be all for naught.</p><p>We, as a race, have to start by getting off this planet and then proceed to get out of our solar system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We could have a Utopian society and streets paved with gold , but if an asteroid the size of Texas smashes into our planet it will be all for naught.We , as a race , have to start by getting off this planet and then proceed to get out of our solar system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could have a Utopian society and streets paved with gold, but if an asteroid the size of Texas smashes into our planet it will be all for naught.We, as a race, have to start by getting off this planet and then proceed to get out of our solar system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295440</id>
	<title>In Soviet Russia...</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1267304340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two Ukrainians talking:</p><ul>
<li>Have you heard? Russians went to the Moon...</li>
<li>Oh, dear Lord, we can't be so lucky, <strong>all of them</strong>?!</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two Ukrainians talking : Have you heard ?
Russians went to the Moon.. . Oh , dear Lord , we ca n't be so lucky , all of them ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two Ukrainians talking:
Have you heard?
Russians went to the Moon...
Oh, dear Lord, we can't be so lucky, all of them?
!
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296356</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious Hoax</title>
	<author>MrShaggy</author>
	<datestamp>1267281600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever see 'I am William Shatner, and this is how I changed the world'</p><p>It was a 2 hour documentary about how Star Trek has influenced Science.''</p><p>So something that people bicker about the time line issues go on to make flat-screens.</p><p>Even dealing with warp-drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever see 'I am William Shatner , and this is how I changed the world'It was a 2 hour documentary about how Star Trek has influenced Science .
''So something that people bicker about the time line issues go on to make flat-screens.Even dealing with warp-drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever see 'I am William Shatner, and this is how I changed the world'It was a 2 hour documentary about how Star Trek has influenced Science.
''So something that people bicker about the time line issues go on to make flat-screens.Even dealing with warp-drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297644</id>
	<title>Wrong Project M</title>
	<author>daemonc</author>
	<datestamp>1267295520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At first I thought this was going to be about giving scientists LSD, playing some Pink Floyd, and making them watch <a href="http://projectm.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">visualizations</a> [sourceforge.net] until they think they're flying through space...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At first I thought this was going to be about giving scientists LSD , playing some Pink Floyd , and making them watch visualizations [ sourceforge.net ] until they think they 're flying through space.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first I thought this was going to be about giving scientists LSD, playing some Pink Floyd, and making them watch visualizations [sourceforge.net] until they think they're flying through space...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31326874</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267469580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a solution to the propogation delay.  We're assuming that we want real-time feedback on what is actually happening to the robot on the moon, but most of this we can reasonably simulate.  For instance, if we bend down all we need to see if that we are bending down.  This can be simulated.  The robot will bend down 3 seconds later, but so long as nothing unexpected happens it's only confirming that the action happened.  Meanwhile we're picking up a rock to examine it.  Chances are we already spotted the rock, so low resolution information is available and the low res surface is used in the VR simulation to show the rock.  When the robot does the same action and the high resolution images gets back to Earth the image can be updated to display the high resolution image.  If something unexpected happens, say we bend over and the robot falls over, then the simulation will glitch when the data gets to Earth.  No problem.  It's a momentary unexpected fault and the user can fix it when they become aware of it.  Do the simulation well and the operator will almost forget the communications delay.  Most of the routine tasks (walking, bending, picking up objects) can be simulated.  We know the dynamics of the robot and the Moon's gravity.  Simulate real-time for the operator and confirm the status a few seconds later.</p><p>-Wayne</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a solution to the propogation delay .
We 're assuming that we want real-time feedback on what is actually happening to the robot on the moon , but most of this we can reasonably simulate .
For instance , if we bend down all we need to see if that we are bending down .
This can be simulated .
The robot will bend down 3 seconds later , but so long as nothing unexpected happens it 's only confirming that the action happened .
Meanwhile we 're picking up a rock to examine it .
Chances are we already spotted the rock , so low resolution information is available and the low res surface is used in the VR simulation to show the rock .
When the robot does the same action and the high resolution images gets back to Earth the image can be updated to display the high resolution image .
If something unexpected happens , say we bend over and the robot falls over , then the simulation will glitch when the data gets to Earth .
No problem .
It 's a momentary unexpected fault and the user can fix it when they become aware of it .
Do the simulation well and the operator will almost forget the communications delay .
Most of the routine tasks ( walking , bending , picking up objects ) can be simulated .
We know the dynamics of the robot and the Moon 's gravity .
Simulate real-time for the operator and confirm the status a few seconds later.-Wayne</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a solution to the propogation delay.
We're assuming that we want real-time feedback on what is actually happening to the robot on the moon, but most of this we can reasonably simulate.
For instance, if we bend down all we need to see if that we are bending down.
This can be simulated.
The robot will bend down 3 seconds later, but so long as nothing unexpected happens it's only confirming that the action happened.
Meanwhile we're picking up a rock to examine it.
Chances are we already spotted the rock, so low resolution information is available and the low res surface is used in the VR simulation to show the rock.
When the robot does the same action and the high resolution images gets back to Earth the image can be updated to display the high resolution image.
If something unexpected happens, say we bend over and the robot falls over, then the simulation will glitch when the data gets to Earth.
No problem.
It's a momentary unexpected fault and the user can fix it when they become aware of it.
Do the simulation well and the operator will almost forget the communications delay.
Most of the routine tasks (walking, bending, picking up objects) can be simulated.
We know the dynamics of the robot and the Moon's gravity.
Simulate real-time for the operator and confirm the status a few seconds later.-Wayne</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295236</id>
	<title>Let's do something even more useful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267300860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition to sending human-controlled robots to the moon, lets send along refineries and factories to produce solar panels. Then we can build thousands of square kilometers of the stuff on the moon from local materials at a very low cost and beam the energy back to Earth. Covering roughly 1\% of the moon's surface area with present-day solar tech would yield on the order of 20TW, worth tens of trillions at today's energy rates and capable of meeting the world's energy needs.</p><p>I'm not sure how good this paper is, but it has some more details on the basic idea: <a href="http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/v7i28\_kumar.html" title="acm.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/v7i28\_kumar.html</a> [acm.org] Certainly a more detailed study would be needed before really doing this to ensure there weren't any show-stopping problems (such as the one DOE/NASA undertook on the solar satellite idea, where they concluded it was not economically worthwhile with the lifting costs <a href="http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/doe.htm" title="nss.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/doe.htm</a> [nss.org]).</p><p>This path would be even better for science too, as it would create a permanent human presence on the moon instead of probably being a one-off mission. There would also be interest in creating a self-sufficient lunar economy so that Earth wouldn't have to keep supplying it. A robotic lunar colony capable of launching solar satellites and other craft would be of great value to both science and the economy.</p><p>We can do this with today's technology, as it's essentially a different approach to the old solar satellite idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to sending human-controlled robots to the moon , lets send along refineries and factories to produce solar panels .
Then we can build thousands of square kilometers of the stuff on the moon from local materials at a very low cost and beam the energy back to Earth .
Covering roughly 1 \ % of the moon 's surface area with present-day solar tech would yield on the order of 20TW , worth tens of trillions at today 's energy rates and capable of meeting the world 's energy needs.I 'm not sure how good this paper is , but it has some more details on the basic idea : http : //www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/v7i28 \ _kumar.html [ acm.org ] Certainly a more detailed study would be needed before really doing this to ensure there were n't any show-stopping problems ( such as the one DOE/NASA undertook on the solar satellite idea , where they concluded it was not economically worthwhile with the lifting costs http : //www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/doe.htm [ nss.org ] ) .This path would be even better for science too , as it would create a permanent human presence on the moon instead of probably being a one-off mission .
There would also be interest in creating a self-sufficient lunar economy so that Earth would n't have to keep supplying it .
A robotic lunar colony capable of launching solar satellites and other craft would be of great value to both science and the economy.We can do this with today 's technology , as it 's essentially a different approach to the old solar satellite idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to sending human-controlled robots to the moon, lets send along refineries and factories to produce solar panels.
Then we can build thousands of square kilometers of the stuff on the moon from local materials at a very low cost and beam the energy back to Earth.
Covering roughly 1\% of the moon's surface area with present-day solar tech would yield on the order of 20TW, worth tens of trillions at today's energy rates and capable of meeting the world's energy needs.I'm not sure how good this paper is, but it has some more details on the basic idea: http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/v7i28\_kumar.html [acm.org] Certainly a more detailed study would be needed before really doing this to ensure there weren't any show-stopping problems (such as the one DOE/NASA undertook on the solar satellite idea, where they concluded it was not economically worthwhile with the lifting costs http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/doe.htm [nss.org]).This path would be even better for science too, as it would create a permanent human presence on the moon instead of probably being a one-off mission.
There would also be interest in creating a self-sufficient lunar economy so that Earth wouldn't have to keep supplying it.
A robotic lunar colony capable of launching solar satellites and other craft would be of great value to both science and the economy.We can do this with today's technology, as it's essentially a different approach to the old solar satellite idea.</sentencetext>
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	<title>If this is a problem put them in LUNAR orbit</title>
	<author>wisebabo</author>
	<datestamp>1267267560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the delay is a problem to this or any other tele-operated mission, put the scientists in orbit around the body to be explored (in this case LUNAR orbit).</p><p>I know that it may seem stupid to transport them 230,000 miles just to end up 100 miles away from their goal but consider the expense of getting them down (and back up) from the surface.</p><p>1) a landing/ascent vehicle will have to be designed, tested and built.  Same thing with lunar spacesuits (primarily dustproof).<br>2) all this gear will have to be shipped to cis-lunar orbit.  Remember life support supplies will also have to landed.<br>3) to duplicate the functionality of multiple robots in various areas around the moon you'll have to move the whole kit and kaboodle every time you want to explore using landed explorers.  Expensive, time-consuming and dangerous.<br>- This will cost billions!  (Remember also the time required to de-orbit, land, set up camp, put on suits etc. etc.)</p><p>On the other hand, you could just put them in orbit around the moon to operate the robots.  The cost?  "Only" about 5x the cost ($20M?) of getting a person into LEO.  This is what Space Adventures was quoting for a trip around the moon using a modified soyuz spacecraft.  (I don't know if they included insertion into lunar orbit though and it doesn't include the tele-operation equipment).</p><p>The only problem is that the scientists will be way up out of the magnetosphere so solar flares could be a deadly event.  They could bring a "storm shelter" (a little space in between some water tanks) that they could hide out in during the few hours the flare would be peaking.  Or, they could modify their orbit around the Moon (or Mars, asteroid or other celestial body) to put it between them and the sun.  Since they get (I think) a few days warning, they should be able to do this without burning too much fuel.</p><p>Again, maybe the delay won't be a problem for lunar exploration and maybe it will be.  Obviously for other targets it will be.  A "classic" story on this problem is Arthur C. Clarke's "Meeting with Medusa".  I hope someday Mankind will be facing such problems!</p><p>Think AVATAR!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the delay is a problem to this or any other tele-operated mission , put the scientists in orbit around the body to be explored ( in this case LUNAR orbit ) .I know that it may seem stupid to transport them 230,000 miles just to end up 100 miles away from their goal but consider the expense of getting them down ( and back up ) from the surface.1 ) a landing/ascent vehicle will have to be designed , tested and built .
Same thing with lunar spacesuits ( primarily dustproof ) .2 ) all this gear will have to be shipped to cis-lunar orbit .
Remember life support supplies will also have to landed.3 ) to duplicate the functionality of multiple robots in various areas around the moon you 'll have to move the whole kit and kaboodle every time you want to explore using landed explorers .
Expensive , time-consuming and dangerous.- This will cost billions !
( Remember also the time required to de-orbit , land , set up camp , put on suits etc .
etc. ) On the other hand , you could just put them in orbit around the moon to operate the robots .
The cost ?
" Only " about 5x the cost ( $ 20M ?
) of getting a person into LEO .
This is what Space Adventures was quoting for a trip around the moon using a modified soyuz spacecraft .
( I do n't know if they included insertion into lunar orbit though and it does n't include the tele-operation equipment ) .The only problem is that the scientists will be way up out of the magnetosphere so solar flares could be a deadly event .
They could bring a " storm shelter " ( a little space in between some water tanks ) that they could hide out in during the few hours the flare would be peaking .
Or , they could modify their orbit around the Moon ( or Mars , asteroid or other celestial body ) to put it between them and the sun .
Since they get ( I think ) a few days warning , they should be able to do this without burning too much fuel.Again , maybe the delay wo n't be a problem for lunar exploration and maybe it will be .
Obviously for other targets it will be .
A " classic " story on this problem is Arthur C. Clarke 's " Meeting with Medusa " .
I hope someday Mankind will be facing such problems ! Think AVATAR !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the delay is a problem to this or any other tele-operated mission, put the scientists in orbit around the body to be explored (in this case LUNAR orbit).I know that it may seem stupid to transport them 230,000 miles just to end up 100 miles away from their goal but consider the expense of getting them down (and back up) from the surface.1) a landing/ascent vehicle will have to be designed, tested and built.
Same thing with lunar spacesuits (primarily dustproof).2) all this gear will have to be shipped to cis-lunar orbit.
Remember life support supplies will also have to landed.3) to duplicate the functionality of multiple robots in various areas around the moon you'll have to move the whole kit and kaboodle every time you want to explore using landed explorers.
Expensive, time-consuming and dangerous.- This will cost billions!
(Remember also the time required to de-orbit, land, set up camp, put on suits etc.
etc.)On the other hand, you could just put them in orbit around the moon to operate the robots.
The cost?
"Only" about 5x the cost ($20M?
) of getting a person into LEO.
This is what Space Adventures was quoting for a trip around the moon using a modified soyuz spacecraft.
(I don't know if they included insertion into lunar orbit though and it doesn't include the tele-operation equipment).The only problem is that the scientists will be way up out of the magnetosphere so solar flares could be a deadly event.
They could bring a "storm shelter" (a little space in between some water tanks) that they could hide out in during the few hours the flare would be peaking.
Or, they could modify their orbit around the Moon (or Mars, asteroid or other celestial body) to put it between them and the sun.
Since they get (I think) a few days warning, they should be able to do this without burning too much fuel.Again, maybe the delay won't be a problem for lunar exploration and maybe it will be.
Obviously for other targets it will be.
A "classic" story on this problem is Arthur C. Clarke's "Meeting with Medusa".
I hope someday Mankind will be facing such problems!Think AVATAR!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295894</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267271460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This totally misses the point.</p><p>The reason for setting up sustainable colonies on other celestial bodies is to prevent extinction if something nasty happens down here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This totally misses the point.The reason for setting up sustainable colonies on other celestial bodies is to prevent extinction if something nasty happens down here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This totally misses the point.The reason for setting up sustainable colonies on other celestial bodies is to prevent extinction if something nasty happens down here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295488</id>
	<title>Re:Let's do something even more useful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267261920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>In addition to sending human-controlled robots to the moon, lets send along refineries and factories to produce solar panels. </i>
</p><p>
Yeah, right.  Back around 1985, I went to a conference where some AI professors were mouthing off about putting self-replicating factories on the Moon within 20 years.  I asked "How soon can you do it in Arizona?"  They didn't like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to sending human-controlled robots to the moon , lets send along refineries and factories to produce solar panels .
Yeah , right .
Back around 1985 , I went to a conference where some AI professors were mouthing off about putting self-replicating factories on the Moon within 20 years .
I asked " How soon can you do it in Arizona ?
" They did n't like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
In addition to sending human-controlled robots to the moon, lets send along refineries and factories to produce solar panels.
Yeah, right.
Back around 1985, I went to a conference where some AI professors were mouthing off about putting self-replicating factories on the Moon within 20 years.
I asked "How soon can you do it in Arizona?
"  They didn't like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295094</id>
	<title>Obvious Hoax</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1267212600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow.. the Internet really is an echo chamber isn't it?</p><p>This nonsense video has been floating around for months now.  There's no confirmation from NASA.. no-one even knows who made it.</p><p>If you RTFA you'll see the last paragraph reads:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Whoever did this at NASA should put together an actual budget as soon as possible. And while you are at it, make it possible for regular people to use one, maybe at the Johnson Space Center or some selected museums through the world. That will definitely inspire people.</p><p>Send an email to Jesus Diaz, the author of this post, at jesus@gizmodo.com.</p></div><p>Hey Jesus Diaz, were you sick the day of journalism school when they taught chasing up sources?  Maybe if you called JSC and heard the exasperated public relations officer explain, again, that no there is no Project M but thanks for your call, you could save yourself some embarrassment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow.. the Internet really is an echo chamber is n't it ? This nonsense video has been floating around for months now .
There 's no confirmation from NASA.. no-one even knows who made it.If you RTFA you 'll see the last paragraph reads : Whoever did this at NASA should put together an actual budget as soon as possible .
And while you are at it , make it possible for regular people to use one , maybe at the Johnson Space Center or some selected museums through the world .
That will definitely inspire people.Send an email to Jesus Diaz , the author of this post , at jesus @ gizmodo.com.Hey Jesus Diaz , were you sick the day of journalism school when they taught chasing up sources ?
Maybe if you called JSC and heard the exasperated public relations officer explain , again , that no there is no Project M but thanks for your call , you could save yourself some embarrassment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.. the Internet really is an echo chamber isn't it?This nonsense video has been floating around for months now.
There's no confirmation from NASA.. no-one even knows who made it.If you RTFA you'll see the last paragraph reads:Whoever did this at NASA should put together an actual budget as soon as possible.
And while you are at it, make it possible for regular people to use one, maybe at the Johnson Space Center or some selected museums through the world.
That will definitely inspire people.Send an email to Jesus Diaz, the author of this post, at jesus@gizmodo.com.Hey Jesus Diaz, were you sick the day of journalism school when they taught chasing up sources?
Maybe if you called JSC and heard the exasperated public relations officer explain, again, that no there is no Project M but thanks for your call, you could save yourself some embarrassment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31299370</id>
	<title>Send construction workers.</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1267262940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, lets send some robotics around to locate a new base, and then send these to set up the site and put in BA units.
That would allow us to get ppl up there ASAP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , lets send some robotics around to locate a new base , and then send these to set up the site and put in BA units .
That would allow us to get ppl up there ASAP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, lets send some robotics around to locate a new base, and then send these to set up the site and put in BA units.
That would allow us to get ppl up there ASAP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31298504</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267300200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The high ping whiners are still among us...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The high ping whiners are still among us.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The high ping whiners are still among us...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295802</id>
	<title>Re:Let's do something even more useful</title>
	<author>sictransitgloriacfa</author>
	<datestamp>1267269000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think we very likely could do it in Arizona now, <b>if there was an economic reason to do so</b>. In Arizona, there isn't. In space,  there is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we very likely could do it in Arizona now , if there was an economic reason to do so .
In Arizona , there is n't .
In space , there is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we very likely could do it in Arizona now, if there was an economic reason to do so.
In Arizona, there isn't.
In space,  there is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296438</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>dominious</author>
	<datestamp>1267283160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was thinking about how we may solve this problem and came up with prediction methods:
<br> <br>
So imagine you bend to pick up a rock. Instead of waiting for the video to come, you may predict what the video will look like after you bend...Then you may as well do corrections as the video stream comes in.
<br> <br>
Ofcourse there are still limitations, but I believe we can always do improvements until some point it will actually be feasible to control humanoids even on Mars. This is great!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking about how we may solve this problem and came up with prediction methods : So imagine you bend to pick up a rock .
Instead of waiting for the video to come , you may predict what the video will look like after you bend...Then you may as well do corrections as the video stream comes in .
Ofcourse there are still limitations , but I believe we can always do improvements until some point it will actually be feasible to control humanoids even on Mars .
This is great !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking about how we may solve this problem and came up with prediction methods:
 
So imagine you bend to pick up a rock.
Instead of waiting for the video to come, you may predict what the video will look like after you bend...Then you may as well do corrections as the video stream comes in.
Ofcourse there are still limitations, but I believe we can always do improvements until some point it will actually be feasible to control humanoids even on Mars.
This is great!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295560</id>
	<title>kirov</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267263240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe some day i'll be so drunk that i will just pass out instead of comment on stupid shit which i do not even know what it is talking about.</p><p>that's the spirit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe some day i 'll be so drunk that i will just pass out instead of comment on stupid shit which i do not even know what it is talking about.that 's the spirit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe some day i'll be so drunk that i will just pass out instead of comment on stupid shit which i do not even know what it is talking about.that's the spirit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295878</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267270980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our genome evolved on this mudball, and the biggest hurdle in getting it off of said mudball is keeping it alive. Which is the reason we prefer to send bots, which are much better suited to the environmental conditions of outer space.</p><p>The smart way to go about things, then, would be to aim for ditching the genome altogether, and transfering "us" (our consciousness) directly onto the bots. The way computer technology is evolving compared to space travel, that's likely to be feasible long before the space elevators and warp drives anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our genome evolved on this mudball , and the biggest hurdle in getting it off of said mudball is keeping it alive .
Which is the reason we prefer to send bots , which are much better suited to the environmental conditions of outer space.The smart way to go about things , then , would be to aim for ditching the genome altogether , and transfering " us " ( our consciousness ) directly onto the bots .
The way computer technology is evolving compared to space travel , that 's likely to be feasible long before the space elevators and warp drives anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our genome evolved on this mudball, and the biggest hurdle in getting it off of said mudball is keeping it alive.
Which is the reason we prefer to send bots, which are much better suited to the environmental conditions of outer space.The smart way to go about things, then, would be to aim for ditching the genome altogether, and transfering "us" (our consciousness) directly onto the bots.
The way computer technology is evolving compared to space travel, that's likely to be feasible long before the space elevators and warp drives anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297422</id>
	<title>Boney M</title>
	<author>turgid</author>
	<datestamp>1267293780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Boney M could send them on a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeC5T9Aaoc" title="youtube.com">Nightflight to Venus</a> [youtube.com]... segue to Rasputin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Boney M could send them on a Nightflight to Venus [ youtube.com ] ... segue to Rasputin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Boney M could send them on a Nightflight to Venus [youtube.com]... segue to Rasputin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295842</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>grumbel</author>
	<datestamp>1267270020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The bot thing is a distraction. If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs. Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.</p></div><p>If we can't get our act together and manage to survive on earth, our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bot thing is a distraction .
If we do n't get our genome off this mudball we 're as doomed as the dinosaurs .
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If we ca n't get our act together and manage to survive on earth , our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bot thing is a distraction.
If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs.
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If we can't get our act together and manage to survive on earth, our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31299990</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>Stoutlimb</author>
	<datestamp>1267268700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple solution, administer enough alcohol to the scientists to synchronize the delay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple solution , administer enough alcohol to the scientists to synchronize the delay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple solution, administer enough alcohol to the scientists to synchronize the delay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297290</id>
	<title>How about we send the politicians instead?</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1267292640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about we send the politicians instead, only not by proxy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about we send the politicians instead , only not by proxy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about we send the politicians instead, only not by proxy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295756</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>cgenman</author>
	<datestamp>1267268040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The bot thing is a distraction. If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs. Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.</i></p><p>If utilizing remote robots advances our knowledge faster right now than attempting to stuff a human being up there, we'll achieve sustainable space travel faster that way.</p><p>Though to be perfectly honest, we've sent remote robots to other planets many times.  The mars rovers come to mind.  The only difference is that this would be more representatively shaped... though with a 3 - 6 second lag time, it's going to have to be pretty autonomous anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bot thing is a distraction .
If we do n't get our genome off this mudball we 're as doomed as the dinosaurs .
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If utilizing remote robots advances our knowledge faster right now than attempting to stuff a human being up there , we 'll achieve sustainable space travel faster that way.Though to be perfectly honest , we 've sent remote robots to other planets many times .
The mars rovers come to mind .
The only difference is that this would be more representatively shaped... though with a 3 - 6 second lag time , it 's going to have to be pretty autonomous anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bot thing is a distraction.
If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs.
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If utilizing remote robots advances our knowledge faster right now than attempting to stuff a human being up there, we'll achieve sustainable space travel faster that way.Though to be perfectly honest, we've sent remote robots to other planets many times.
The mars rovers come to mind.
The only difference is that this would be more representatively shaped... though with a 3 - 6 second lag time, it's going to have to be pretty autonomous anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295350</id>
	<title>Send Every Scientist To the Moon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267302900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could we just start out with the Creationist and see how it goes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could we just start out with the Creationist and see how it goes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could we just start out with the Creationist and see how it goes?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295546</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious Hoax</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1267262820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given that the best humanoid robots around today fall over while walking up a set of perfectly level stairs, and then can't get back up again without human intervention, I say "Project M" is definitely worth a go. After all, the robot might not fall over for <i>ages</i> if we're lucky.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that the best humanoid robots around today fall over while walking up a set of perfectly level stairs , and then ca n't get back up again without human intervention , I say " Project M " is definitely worth a go .
After all , the robot might not fall over for ages if we 're lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that the best humanoid robots around today fall over while walking up a set of perfectly level stairs, and then can't get back up again without human intervention, I say "Project M" is definitely worth a go.
After all, the robot might not fall over for ages if we're lucky.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296326</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious Hoax</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1267280880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lunacy if you ask me...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lunacy if you ask me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lunacy if you ask me...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295776</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious Hoax</title>
	<author>sictransitgloriacfa</author>
	<datestamp>1267268520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah, pity. This really should be done. Granted the lag would be a problem, but see my post above for several reasons why this is better than sending humans and all their life support.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , pity .
This really should be done .
Granted the lag would be a problem , but see my post above for several reasons why this is better than sending humans and all their life support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, pity.
This really should be done.
Granted the lag would be a problem, but see my post above for several reasons why this is better than sending humans and all their life support.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295302</id>
	<title>Why's it so tough?</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1267301940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"NASA can put humanoids on the Moon in just 1000 days. They would be controlled by scientists on Earth using motion capture suits, giving them the feeling of being on the lunar surface. If they can achieve this for real, the results for science research of our satellite could be amazing."</p><p>Why so fast? "Because we can" is not sufficient for budgetary planning.</p><p>Why so many? About the only reason I can foresee is construction. A good reason, but needs specified. All of them? Might there not be other worthy projects? Not every surface of interest is lunar.</p><p>Motion capture would provide transmission of behaviors. It would not provide 'feeling as if'. That could be done, and likely should, but that costs too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" NASA can put humanoids on the Moon in just 1000 days .
They would be controlled by scientists on Earth using motion capture suits , giving them the feeling of being on the lunar surface .
If they can achieve this for real , the results for science research of our satellite could be amazing .
" Why so fast ?
" Because we can " is not sufficient for budgetary planning.Why so many ?
About the only reason I can foresee is construction .
A good reason , but needs specified .
All of them ?
Might there not be other worthy projects ?
Not every surface of interest is lunar.Motion capture would provide transmission of behaviors .
It would not provide 'feeling as if' .
That could be done , and likely should , but that costs too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"NASA can put humanoids on the Moon in just 1000 days.
They would be controlled by scientists on Earth using motion capture suits, giving them the feeling of being on the lunar surface.
If they can achieve this for real, the results for science research of our satellite could be amazing.
"Why so fast?
"Because we can" is not sufficient for budgetary planning.Why so many?
About the only reason I can foresee is construction.
A good reason, but needs specified.
All of them?
Might there not be other worthy projects?
Not every surface of interest is lunar.Motion capture would provide transmission of behaviors.
It would not provide 'feeling as if'.
That could be done, and likely should, but that costs too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295400</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>pcolaman</author>
	<datestamp>1267303740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've got to rotate the shield harmonics and remodulate the deflector dish to emit Tachyon Particles...DUH!  Jesus dude didn't you take Star Trek 201 in college?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've got to rotate the shield harmonics and remodulate the deflector dish to emit Tachyon Particles...DUH !
Jesus dude did n't you take Star Trek 201 in college ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've got to rotate the shield harmonics and remodulate the deflector dish to emit Tachyon Particles...DUH!
Jesus dude didn't you take Star Trek 201 in college?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296474</id>
	<title>Idea from Stanislaw Lem's "Peace on Earth"</title>
	<author>FilatovEV</author>
	<datestamp>1267283820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The idea of "proxy" androids to investigate the Moon was introduced in a 1987 Lem's novel "Peace on Earth". If you haven't did it yet, read it, it's totally worthy! Besides "proxy androids", the novel explores issues of an arms race and lobotomy. Yes, exactly<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace\_on\_Earth\_(novel)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace\_on\_Earth\_(novel)</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea of " proxy " androids to investigate the Moon was introduced in a 1987 Lem 's novel " Peace on Earth " .
If you have n't did it yet , read it , it 's totally worthy !
Besides " proxy androids " , the novel explores issues of an arms race and lobotomy .
Yes , exactly : - ) http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace \ _on \ _Earth \ _ ( novel ) [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea of "proxy" androids to investigate the Moon was introduced in a 1987 Lem's novel "Peace on Earth".
If you haven't did it yet, read it, it's totally worthy!
Besides "proxy androids", the novel explores issues of an arms race and lobotomy.
Yes, exactly :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace\_on\_Earth\_(novel) [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297442</id>
	<title>Re:Let's do something even more useful</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1267294080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I looked, we already had factories and refineries on Earth, which is what the OP was talking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I looked , we already had factories and refineries on Earth , which is what the OP was talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I looked, we already had factories and refineries on Earth, which is what the OP was talking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295408</id>
	<title>Re:Not imitating art...</title>
	<author>pcolaman</author>
	<datestamp>1267303800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Call me when they are 3m tall, blue, w/tits.</p></div><p>There, fixed it for ya</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me when they are 3m tall , blue , w/tits.There , fixed it for ya</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me when they are 3m tall, blue, w/tits.There, fixed it for ya
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295568</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1267263540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could time shift the pre-recorded data into of delayed movments into a simulation where you could experience it in real time (i.e. post-real time)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could time shift the pre-recorded data into of delayed movments into a simulation where you could experience it in real time ( i.e .
post-real time )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could time shift the pre-recorded data into of delayed movments into a simulation where you could experience it in real time (i.e.
post-real time)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295968</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>SolitaryMan</author>
	<datestamp>1267272600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm also wondering how are they going to emulate 1/6G on Earth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm also wondering how are they going to emulate 1/6G on Earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm also wondering how are they going to emulate 1/6G on Earth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295334</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia + google calculator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267302540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>round trip time is what matters... seeing the results of your action before being able to correct it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>round trip time is what matters... seeing the results of your action before being able to correct it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>round trip time is what matters... seeing the results of your action before being able to correct it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295634</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious Hoax</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1267265400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for the info, I just gave the story a negative mod, hopefully others will too.<br> <br>
When you think about it, it's really hard to see how what they have suggested is all that different than a rover.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the info , I just gave the story a negative mod , hopefully others will too .
When you think about it , it 's really hard to see how what they have suggested is all that different than a rover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the info, I just gave the story a negative mod, hopefully others will too.
When you think about it, it's really hard to see how what they have suggested is all that different than a rover.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295264</id>
	<title>Not a bad idea</title>
	<author>vtcodger</author>
	<datestamp>1267301280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's really not a bad idea at all even with the time lag.  But I suspect that it doesn't waste enough money or risk enough lives unnecessarily to appeal to the space cadets who make funding decisions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's really not a bad idea at all even with the time lag .
But I suspect that it does n't waste enough money or risk enough lives unnecessarily to appeal to the space cadets who make funding decisions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's really not a bad idea at all even with the time lag.
But I suspect that it doesn't waste enough money or risk enough lives unnecessarily to appeal to the space cadets who make funding decisions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31299030</id>
	<title>Re:25 minutes of moon</title>
	<author>red\_blue\_yellow</author>
	<datestamp>1267303620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now, instead of including all of the sciences that would benefit in no way from controlling an avatar on the moon, restrict that number to the *much* smaller number of geologists, astronomers, etc whose field of study would directly benefit from this.  My estimate would put that around 1,000 people in the U.S.  That's 1/3 of a day per year each.  When they collaborate (like scientists tend to do), this could add up to quite a bit of time very quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , instead of including all of the sciences that would benefit in no way from controlling an avatar on the moon , restrict that number to the * much * smaller number of geologists , astronomers , etc whose field of study would directly benefit from this .
My estimate would put that around 1,000 people in the U.S. That 's 1/3 of a day per year each .
When they collaborate ( like scientists tend to do ) , this could add up to quite a bit of time very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, instead of including all of the sciences that would benefit in no way from controlling an avatar on the moon, restrict that number to the *much* smaller number of geologists, astronomers, etc whose field of study would directly benefit from this.
My estimate would put that around 1,000 people in the U.S.  That's 1/3 of a day per year each.
When they collaborate (like scientists tend to do), this could add up to quite a bit of time very quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297284</id>
	<title>Re:Not imitating art...</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1267292580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Call me when they are 3m tall, blue, w/tail.</p><p>Call me when they are 3 apples high, blue, w/tail and little white outfit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Call me when they are 3m tall , blue , w/tail.Call me when they are 3 apples high , blue , w/tail and little white outfit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Call me when they are 3m tall, blue, w/tail.Call me when they are 3 apples high, blue, w/tail and little white outfit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296630</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267285980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>last i checked we were all managing to survive on earth just fine. unless mankind went extinct and i didn't notice.<br>i think the poster was referring to an inevitable cataclysm for which having "our act together" will make no difference.<br>for example, a large scale asteroid impact, or our sun going red giant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>last i checked we were all managing to survive on earth just fine .
unless mankind went extinct and i did n't notice.i think the poster was referring to an inevitable cataclysm for which having " our act together " will make no difference.for example , a large scale asteroid impact , or our sun going red giant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>last i checked we were all managing to survive on earth just fine.
unless mankind went extinct and i didn't notice.i think the poster was referring to an inevitable cataclysm for which having "our act together" will make no difference.for example, a large scale asteroid impact, or our sun going red giant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297026</id>
	<title>Unobtanium</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267290300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, erm... When is my avatar ready ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , erm... When is my avatar ready ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, erm... When is my avatar ready ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295164</id>
	<title>Why something so complex?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267213500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rovers have already been effective on Mars.  Use them on the moon first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rovers have already been effective on Mars .
Use them on the moon first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rovers have already been effective on Mars.
Use them on the moon first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296760</id>
	<title>Re:Why something so complex?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267287240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can take giant steps, walking on the moon. I just hope the legs don't break, walking on the moon. With nuclear batteries, we could walk forever...walking on the moon. And with consciousness transfer, we could live forever, just walking, walking on the moon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can take giant steps , walking on the moon .
I just hope the legs do n't break , walking on the moon .
With nuclear batteries , we could walk forever...walking on the moon .
And with consciousness transfer , we could live forever , just walking , walking on the moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can take giant steps, walking on the moon.
I just hope the legs don't break, walking on the moon.
With nuclear batteries, we could walk forever...walking on the moon.
And with consciousness transfer, we could live forever, just walking, walking on the moon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297016</id>
	<title>Re:Let's do something even more useful</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1267290240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I asked "How soon can you do it in Arizona?"</p></div><p>You're about 10,000 to 20,000 years too late for that. That's when a new group of evolved Von Neumann machines settled in North America (including presumably Arizona). Their manufactured products were rather simple at first, stone and wood tools, but leading to significant towns of adobe dwellings at later stages. Later more advanced Von Neumann machines of the same design, brought metal working and other much more advanced manufacturing facilities to Arizona. If for some reason, you aren't interested in humans as technology, there's the advent of the industrial age, which I imagine manifested in Arizona at some point in the late 19th century (by the time railroads went through).<br> <br>

This last instance of self-replicating factories is particularly relevant since with teleoperations, it can be repeated on the Moon. The industrial age has a well established pathway for establishing factories. First, you create a machine shop. Then the machine shop builds the tools and early infrastructure of the factory (later, large scale infrastructure can be made by the factories themselves). The machine shop can also either enlarge its own production or make more machine shops.<br> <br>

So we've reduced the factory problem to the machine shop problem. What does a machine shop need? Well it needs a source of workable metal and some basic metal working tools: lathe, drill press, milling machine, etc. The lathe as it turns out is the most important of these tools. So what do you need to make the tools? It turns out that you need just one thing, a furnace and some sort of cast (something to hold molten metal in a desired shape). For example, David Gingery back in the 80s developed a process for making a sufficient collection of machine tools starting with a furnace. He <a href="http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index.html" title="lindsaybks.com">published a series of books</a> [lindsaybks.com] on it. I haven't read the books through, but here's my understanding of what they do. It turns out that you start by building a charcoal foundry (a lunar equivalent would probably be a solar or electric furnace capable of melting iron, steel, or aluminum). Using sandcasting techniques, you cast the parts to build a proto-lathe. This is a machine that has enough of the functionality of a lathe, that one can use it to build a true lathe (Gingery used it to extend the functionality of the proto-lathe to be a true lathe). I don't know the proper order, but past that you build a milling machine, drill press, and metal shaper.<br> <br>

Once you have these basic machines, you can use them either to improve the machine shop, build more machine shops, or build other infrastructure like factories.<br> <br>

So to sum up, it's been done in Arizona. I'm a bit surprised that these academics couldn't have come up with a good answer (though the Gingery example probably wouldn't have been known at that point).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I asked " How soon can you do it in Arizona ?
" You 're about 10,000 to 20,000 years too late for that .
That 's when a new group of evolved Von Neumann machines settled in North America ( including presumably Arizona ) .
Their manufactured products were rather simple at first , stone and wood tools , but leading to significant towns of adobe dwellings at later stages .
Later more advanced Von Neumann machines of the same design , brought metal working and other much more advanced manufacturing facilities to Arizona .
If for some reason , you are n't interested in humans as technology , there 's the advent of the industrial age , which I imagine manifested in Arizona at some point in the late 19th century ( by the time railroads went through ) .
This last instance of self-replicating factories is particularly relevant since with teleoperations , it can be repeated on the Moon .
The industrial age has a well established pathway for establishing factories .
First , you create a machine shop .
Then the machine shop builds the tools and early infrastructure of the factory ( later , large scale infrastructure can be made by the factories themselves ) .
The machine shop can also either enlarge its own production or make more machine shops .
So we 've reduced the factory problem to the machine shop problem .
What does a machine shop need ?
Well it needs a source of workable metal and some basic metal working tools : lathe , drill press , milling machine , etc .
The lathe as it turns out is the most important of these tools .
So what do you need to make the tools ?
It turns out that you need just one thing , a furnace and some sort of cast ( something to hold molten metal in a desired shape ) .
For example , David Gingery back in the 80s developed a process for making a sufficient collection of machine tools starting with a furnace .
He published a series of books [ lindsaybks.com ] on it .
I have n't read the books through , but here 's my understanding of what they do .
It turns out that you start by building a charcoal foundry ( a lunar equivalent would probably be a solar or electric furnace capable of melting iron , steel , or aluminum ) .
Using sandcasting techniques , you cast the parts to build a proto-lathe .
This is a machine that has enough of the functionality of a lathe , that one can use it to build a true lathe ( Gingery used it to extend the functionality of the proto-lathe to be a true lathe ) .
I do n't know the proper order , but past that you build a milling machine , drill press , and metal shaper .
Once you have these basic machines , you can use them either to improve the machine shop , build more machine shops , or build other infrastructure like factories .
So to sum up , it 's been done in Arizona .
I 'm a bit surprised that these academics could n't have come up with a good answer ( though the Gingery example probably would n't have been known at that point ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I asked "How soon can you do it in Arizona?
"You're about 10,000 to 20,000 years too late for that.
That's when a new group of evolved Von Neumann machines settled in North America (including presumably Arizona).
Their manufactured products were rather simple at first, stone and wood tools, but leading to significant towns of adobe dwellings at later stages.
Later more advanced Von Neumann machines of the same design, brought metal working and other much more advanced manufacturing facilities to Arizona.
If for some reason, you aren't interested in humans as technology, there's the advent of the industrial age, which I imagine manifested in Arizona at some point in the late 19th century (by the time railroads went through).
This last instance of self-replicating factories is particularly relevant since with teleoperations, it can be repeated on the Moon.
The industrial age has a well established pathway for establishing factories.
First, you create a machine shop.
Then the machine shop builds the tools and early infrastructure of the factory (later, large scale infrastructure can be made by the factories themselves).
The machine shop can also either enlarge its own production or make more machine shops.
So we've reduced the factory problem to the machine shop problem.
What does a machine shop need?
Well it needs a source of workable metal and some basic metal working tools: lathe, drill press, milling machine, etc.
The lathe as it turns out is the most important of these tools.
So what do you need to make the tools?
It turns out that you need just one thing, a furnace and some sort of cast (something to hold molten metal in a desired shape).
For example, David Gingery back in the 80s developed a process for making a sufficient collection of machine tools starting with a furnace.
He published a series of books [lindsaybks.com] on it.
I haven't read the books through, but here's my understanding of what they do.
It turns out that you start by building a charcoal foundry (a lunar equivalent would probably be a solar or electric furnace capable of melting iron, steel, or aluminum).
Using sandcasting techniques, you cast the parts to build a proto-lathe.
This is a machine that has enough of the functionality of a lathe, that one can use it to build a true lathe (Gingery used it to extend the functionality of the proto-lathe to be a true lathe).
I don't know the proper order, but past that you build a milling machine, drill press, and metal shaper.
Once you have these basic machines, you can use them either to improve the machine shop, build more machine shops, or build other infrastructure like factories.
So to sum up, it's been done in Arizona.
I'm a bit surprised that these academics couldn't have come up with a good answer (though the Gingery example probably wouldn't have been known at that point).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31297988</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267297320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>The bot thing is a distraction. If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs. Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.</p></div><p>If we can't get our act together and manage to survive on earth, our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero.</p></div><p>"pretty much zero" is better than zero.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bot thing is a distraction .
If we do n't get our genome off this mudball we 're as doomed as the dinosaurs .
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If we ca n't get our act together and manage to survive on earth , our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero .
" pretty much zero " is better than zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bot thing is a distraction.
If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs.
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If we can't get our act together and manage to survive on earth, our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero.
"pretty much zero" is better than zero.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296678</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>gox</author>
	<datestamp>1267286400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>The bot thing is a distraction. If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs. Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.</p></div><p>If we can't get our act together and manage to survive on earth, our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero.</p></div><p>IMO the post-WWII rhetoric is there to make people get their act together, not to be taken as a fact. The probability of humans destroying ALL humanity is arguably far less than Earth becoming unable to sustain life because of non-human causes (e.g. impact events).</p><p>OTOH, I probably would relate myself to sentient robots created by humanity as much as some human beings that are totally alien to me. Human-operated robots could be a fine way to seduce people into investing on robotech, though it's a long shot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bot thing is a distraction .
If we do n't get our genome off this mudball we 're as doomed as the dinosaurs .
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If we ca n't get our act together and manage to survive on earth , our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero.IMO the post-WWII rhetoric is there to make people get their act together , not to be taken as a fact .
The probability of humans destroying ALL humanity is arguably far less than Earth becoming unable to sustain life because of non-human causes ( e.g .
impact events ) .OTOH , I probably would relate myself to sentient robots created by humanity as much as some human beings that are totally alien to me .
Human-operated robots could be a fine way to seduce people into investing on robotech , though it 's a long shot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bot thing is a distraction.
If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs.
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.If we can't get our act together and manage to survive on earth, our chances to survive anywhere else are pretty much zero.IMO the post-WWII rhetoric is there to make people get their act together, not to be taken as a fact.
The probability of humans destroying ALL humanity is arguably far less than Earth becoming unable to sustain life because of non-human causes (e.g.
impact events).OTOH, I probably would relate myself to sentient robots created by humanity as much as some human beings that are totally alien to me.
Human-operated robots could be a fine way to seduce people into investing on robotech, though it's a long shot.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295482</id>
	<title>25 minutes of moon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267261860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If "being" on the moon means controlling a humanoid avatar by motion-capture suit, and assuming 2 such avatars. Each scientist in the US (around 1.25 million) could get 25 minutes of "moon time" over a period of 30 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If " being " on the moon means controlling a humanoid avatar by motion-capture suit , and assuming 2 such avatars .
Each scientist in the US ( around 1.25 million ) could get 25 minutes of " moon time " over a period of 30 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If "being" on the moon means controlling a humanoid avatar by motion-capture suit, and assuming 2 such avatars.
Each scientist in the US (around 1.25 million) could get 25 minutes of "moon time" over a period of 30 years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295192</id>
	<title>Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1267213740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I probably would have gone with "You can't take and hold ground with bots - to stake a claim requires Men on the ground."  But that works.
</p><p>The bot thing is a distraction.  If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs.  Sooner or later some unpleasantness <i>will</i> occur.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I probably would have gone with " You ca n't take and hold ground with bots - to stake a claim requires Men on the ground .
" But that works .
The bot thing is a distraction .
If we do n't get our genome off this mudball we 're as doomed as the dinosaurs .
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I probably would have gone with "You can't take and hold ground with bots - to stake a claim requires Men on the ground.
"  But that works.
The bot thing is a distraction.
If we don't get our genome off this mudball we're as doomed as the dinosaurs.
Sooner or later some unpleasantness will occur.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31299544</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267264260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[citation needed]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ citation needed ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[citation needed]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295286</id>
	<title>Re:Not imitating art...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267301700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And call me when I can get a realdoll of one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And call me when I can get a realdoll of one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And call me when I can get a realdoll of one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295114</id>
	<title>Not imitating art...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Title of TFA:<blockquote><div><p>NASA Project M Puts Scientists' Avatars On the Moon</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Call me when they are 3m tall, blue, w/tail.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Title of TFA : NASA Project M Puts Scientists ' Avatars On the Moon Call me when they are 3m tall , blue , w/tail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Title of TFA:NASA Project M Puts Scientists' Avatars On the Moon

Call me when they are 3m tall, blue, w/tail.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295322</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious Hoax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267302300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is odd, why would they want to sent biped robots to the moon when there are simpler/cheaper alternatives.</p><p>Either this video was made by some kid of a NASA employee or they are smoking some good shit down there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is odd , why would they want to sent biped robots to the moon when there are simpler/cheaper alternatives.Either this video was made by some kid of a NASA employee or they are smoking some good shit down there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is odd, why would they want to sent biped robots to the moon when there are simpler/cheaper alternatives.Either this video was made by some kid of a NASA employee or they are smoking some good shit down there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296322</id>
	<title>Re:Let's do something even more useful</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1267280820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why stop with scientists? Another really useful thing would be to send all lawyers to the moon.(No proxy.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why stop with scientists ?
Another really useful thing would be to send all lawyers to the moon .
( No proxy .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why stop with scientists?
Another really useful thing would be to send all lawyers to the moon.
(No proxy.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295128</id>
	<title>Send Oprah &amp; Rosie instead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267213020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Hell with the scientists!<br>Send Oprah and Rosie O'Donnell instead.</p><p>There has be a whole B Ark we can send off to outer space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hell with the scientists ! Send Oprah and Rosie O'Donnell instead.There has be a whole B Ark we can send off to outer space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hell with the scientists!Send Oprah and Rosie O'Donnell instead.There has be a whole B Ark we can send off to outer space.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31298846</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks Bruce</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1267302420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think with over 7 Billion examples of survival on Earth; I would be surprised if you required more examples.  Understanding of things around us are based on our ability to move around.  Some people feel uncomfortable about understanding new things.  But for the rest of us, it is different.  Opening up commercial space flight is not a bad thing.  The use of Waldos is only a stepping stone, and it is superior to hiding on this planet, alone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think with over 7 Billion examples of survival on Earth ; I would be surprised if you required more examples .
Understanding of things around us are based on our ability to move around .
Some people feel uncomfortable about understanding new things .
But for the rest of us , it is different .
Opening up commercial space flight is not a bad thing .
The use of Waldos is only a stepping stone , and it is superior to hiding on this planet , alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think with over 7 Billion examples of survival on Earth; I would be surprised if you required more examples.
Understanding of things around us are based on our ability to move around.
Some people feel uncomfortable about understanding new things.
But for the rest of us, it is different.
Opening up commercial space flight is not a bad thing.
The use of Waldos is only a stepping stone, and it is superior to hiding on this planet, alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296148</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia + google calculator</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1267277520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>0:00:00.000 - Data from machine's eyes sent out<br>0:00:01.211 - Data reaches Earth, human acts on it<br>0:00:02.422 - Data gets back to moon, machine acts on it<br>0:00:03.633 - Human sees himself acting more than 2 seconds ago</p><p>No matter what, if Earth is involved you have to have round trip delay since Earth itself is operating on 1 second old data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>0 : 00 : 00.000 - Data from machine 's eyes sent out0 : 00 : 01.211 - Data reaches Earth , human acts on it0 : 00 : 02.422 - Data gets back to moon , machine acts on it0 : 00 : 03.633 - Human sees himself acting more than 2 seconds agoNo matter what , if Earth is involved you have to have round trip delay since Earth itself is operating on 1 second old data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>0:00:00.000 - Data from machine's eyes sent out0:00:01.211 - Data reaches Earth, human acts on it0:00:02.422 - Data gets back to moon, machine acts on it0:00:03.633 - Human sees himself acting more than 2 seconds agoNo matter what, if Earth is involved you have to have round trip delay since Earth itself is operating on 1 second old data.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295172</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia + google calculator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267213620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Add a varying amount between 0 and 1/2 the circumference of the earth, with the 1/2 being best-case. I don't know what the velocity factor of optical fiber is. Yes, there's also a signal-processing delay, but let's not assume we're using 30-year-old equipment so it should not add very much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Add a varying amount between 0 and 1/2 the circumference of the earth , with the 1/2 being best-case .
I do n't know what the velocity factor of optical fiber is .
Yes , there 's also a signal-processing delay , but let 's not assume we 're using 30-year-old equipment so it should not add very much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Add a varying amount between 0 and 1/2 the circumference of the earth, with the 1/2 being best-case.
I don't know what the velocity factor of optical fiber is.
Yes, there's also a signal-processing delay, but let's not assume we're using 30-year-old equipment so it should not add very much.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295826</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia + google calculator</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1267269480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cellphones add a delay of about a second when both phones are on the same network and talking to the same mast.  I would have thought the kit to send signals to the moon would introduce an even longer delay.  Then bear in mind that we are not always at the point of the earth closest to the moon, so that will introduce an even greater delay.  I guess to have continuous contact with the moon, we would need to send the signal up to a satellite network which bounces it round to the nearest bird to the moon at that point, then sends it up to a lunar network, and round to the robot in question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cellphones add a delay of about a second when both phones are on the same network and talking to the same mast .
I would have thought the kit to send signals to the moon would introduce an even longer delay .
Then bear in mind that we are not always at the point of the earth closest to the moon , so that will introduce an even greater delay .
I guess to have continuous contact with the moon , we would need to send the signal up to a satellite network which bounces it round to the nearest bird to the moon at that point , then sends it up to a lunar network , and round to the robot in question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cellphones add a delay of about a second when both phones are on the same network and talking to the same mast.
I would have thought the kit to send signals to the moon would introduce an even longer delay.
Then bear in mind that we are not always at the point of the earth closest to the moon, so that will introduce an even greater delay.
I guess to have continuous contact with the moon, we would need to send the signal up to a satellite network which bounces it round to the nearest bird to the moon at that point, then sends it up to a lunar network, and round to the robot in question.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31295084</id>
	<title>Seriously</title>
	<author>blakedev</author>
	<datestamp>1267212360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the fun in that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the fun in that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the fun in that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296282</id>
	<title>Re:The speed of light is a bit of a problem</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1267280040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few rounds in very lagged FPS games and will eventually adapt to shoot to something that is not there since 5 seconds ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few rounds in very lagged FPS games and will eventually adapt to shoot to something that is not there since 5 seconds ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few rounds in very lagged FPS games and will eventually adapt to shoot to something that is not there since 5 seconds ago.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0233247.31296228</id>
	<title>Sure - any thoughts who controls that beam?</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1267279140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The next hacker into NASA systems will now have a new shiny toy to play with.  I don't know if you know this, but there are SCADA controllers that can be nuked with one SINGLE packet (yes, one), leaving it in an undetermined state, and a reboot or reset won't cure it, it needs reprogramming.</p><p>There is no way I would want that aimed at my back garden, thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The next hacker into NASA systems will now have a new shiny toy to play with .
I do n't know if you know this , but there are SCADA controllers that can be nuked with one SINGLE packet ( yes , one ) , leaving it in an undetermined state , and a reboot or reset wo n't cure it , it needs reprogramming.There is no way I would want that aimed at my back garden , thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The next hacker into NASA systems will now have a new shiny toy to play with.
I don't know if you know this, but there are SCADA controllers that can be nuked with one SINGLE packet (yes, one), leaving it in an undetermined state, and a reboot or reset won't cure it, it needs reprogramming.There is no way I would want that aimed at my back garden, thanks.</sentencetext>
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