<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_27_0110215</id>
	<title>The 1-Second Linux Boot</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267282380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Less than one second Linux boot! This video shows an OMAP3530 capturing video data from a camera and rendering it to an LCD display &mdash; the video <a href="http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/?p=213">appears on the LCD display in less than a second from reset</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Less than one second Linux boot !
This video shows an OMAP3530 capturing video data from a camera and rendering it to an LCD display    the video appears on the LCD display in less than a second from reset .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Less than one second Linux boot!
This video shows an OMAP3530 capturing video data from a camera and rendering it to an LCD display — the video appears on the LCD display in less than a second from reset.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294098</id>
	<title>The Good Ole' /. Effect...</title>
	<author>duragnulinux</author>
	<datestamp>1267199940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... is Large and in Charge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... is Large and in Charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is Large and in Charge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295466</id>
	<title>Am I the only one....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267261560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...That found it ironic that the name of the company that appears to specialize in Linux solutions has the word "Vista" in the name of the company? I mean, how old are these guys? was this planned?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...That found it ironic that the name of the company that appears to specialize in Linux solutions has the word " Vista " in the name of the company ?
I mean , how old are these guys ?
was this planned ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...That found it ironic that the name of the company that appears to specialize in Linux solutions has the word "Vista" in the name of the company?
I mean, how old are these guys?
was this planned?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295026</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Korbeau</author>
	<datestamp>1267211520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!" Big freaking deal.</p></div><p>I think that according to the Slashdot crowd, a <i>toaster</i> that runs Linux <b>IS</b> a big freaking deal!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly !
" Big freaking deal.I think that according to the Slashdot crowd , a toaster that runs Linux IS a big freaking deal !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!
" Big freaking deal.I think that according to the Slashdot crowd, a toaster that runs Linux IS a big freaking deal!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31327380</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267520700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried to load Ubuntu in my toaster, but it just melted the DVD.</p><p>I'd appreciate a step-by-step guide on how to do it properly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to load Ubuntu in my toaster , but it just melted the DVD.I 'd appreciate a step-by-step guide on how to do it properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to load Ubuntu in my toaster, but it just melted the DVD.I'd appreciate a step-by-step guide on how to do it properly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295590</id>
	<title>Re:1-Second First Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267264140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The video is also on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUWBkIquQaI) - The website seems a bit bogged down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The video is also on YouTube ( http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = wUWBkIquQaI ) - The website seems a bit bogged down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The video is also on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUWBkIquQaI) - The website seems a bit bogged down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294082</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296188</id>
	<title>It's good, but ...</title>
	<author>DrogMan</author>
	<datestamp>1267278240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not convinced it's that big a deal, although if they can sell it for &pound;5K then good luck to them!

<p>I build little embedded(ish) systems myself - AMD Geode boxards (ALIX) and my custom compiled kernel boots in 1.08 seconds (according to kernel output) If I didn't compile in networking and USB, I'm sure it would be under a second.

</p><p>The biggest time is the boards BIOS (5 seconds), then loading the image off flash then the kernel uncompressed and boots - 1.08 seconds.

</p><p>If I had more access to the board and had 4MB of flash ram as part of the memory map, then I could eliminate the long BIOS + Load times and jump into kernel on cycle 0. That's where the trick is, I guess - a fast load of the kernel into RAM, or keep it in FLASH that's part of the memory map.

</p><p>After the kernel is loaded it's just userspace - I run a cut-down system, but it still takes another 15-20 seconds or so to get time, dns, networking, apache, etc. going. You're probably not doing that with an in-car device or a camera, etc.

</p><p>So it's not really hard to make a kernel boot fast and possibly even launch one application - the big savings are going to be on the hardware when you can eliminate BIOS and load times, and the amount of userland you then have to load - which is the real difference between "embedded" and general purpose (e.g. desktop)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not convinced it 's that big a deal , although if they can sell it for   5K then good luck to them !
I build little embedded ( ish ) systems myself - AMD Geode boxards ( ALIX ) and my custom compiled kernel boots in 1.08 seconds ( according to kernel output ) If I did n't compile in networking and USB , I 'm sure it would be under a second .
The biggest time is the boards BIOS ( 5 seconds ) , then loading the image off flash then the kernel uncompressed and boots - 1.08 seconds .
If I had more access to the board and had 4MB of flash ram as part of the memory map , then I could eliminate the long BIOS + Load times and jump into kernel on cycle 0 .
That 's where the trick is , I guess - a fast load of the kernel into RAM , or keep it in FLASH that 's part of the memory map .
After the kernel is loaded it 's just userspace - I run a cut-down system , but it still takes another 15-20 seconds or so to get time , dns , networking , apache , etc .
going. You 're probably not doing that with an in-car device or a camera , etc .
So it 's not really hard to make a kernel boot fast and possibly even launch one application - the big savings are going to be on the hardware when you can eliminate BIOS and load times , and the amount of userland you then have to load - which is the real difference between " embedded " and general purpose ( e.g .
desktop )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not convinced it's that big a deal, although if they can sell it for £5K then good luck to them!
I build little embedded(ish) systems myself - AMD Geode boxards (ALIX) and my custom compiled kernel boots in 1.08 seconds (according to kernel output) If I didn't compile in networking and USB, I'm sure it would be under a second.
The biggest time is the boards BIOS (5 seconds), then loading the image off flash then the kernel uncompressed and boots - 1.08 seconds.
If I had more access to the board and had 4MB of flash ram as part of the memory map, then I could eliminate the long BIOS + Load times and jump into kernel on cycle 0.
That's where the trick is, I guess - a fast load of the kernel into RAM, or keep it in FLASH that's part of the memory map.
After the kernel is loaded it's just userspace - I run a cut-down system, but it still takes another 15-20 seconds or so to get time, dns, networking, apache, etc.
going. You're probably not doing that with an in-car device or a camera, etc.
So it's not really hard to make a kernel boot fast and possibly even launch one application - the big savings are going to be on the hardware when you can eliminate BIOS and load times, and the amount of userland you then have to load - which is the real difference between "embedded" and general purpose (e.g.
desktop)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296150</id>
	<title>Re:Specialized platform...</title>
	<author>CastrTroy</author>
	<datestamp>1267277520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly.  My original Nintendo didn't take any time at all to boot up. Even all the major consoles boot up in a few seconds.  When you don't have to explore the system for new hardware and you can just load a preconfigured image into memory, things go a lot faster.  I think there should be ROM chips you can flash, and you only have to reflash them if you have  a hardware change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
My original Nintendo did n't take any time at all to boot up .
Even all the major consoles boot up in a few seconds .
When you do n't have to explore the system for new hardware and you can just load a preconfigured image into memory , things go a lot faster .
I think there should be ROM chips you can flash , and you only have to reflash them if you have a hardware change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
My original Nintendo didn't take any time at all to boot up.
Even all the major consoles boot up in a few seconds.
When you don't have to explore the system for new hardware and you can just load a preconfigured image into memory, things go a lot faster.
I think there should be ROM chips you can flash, and you only have to reflash them if you have  a hardware change.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294262</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294606</id>
	<title>Perverting the context much, Timothy?</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1267205400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where's the very relevant word <b>embedded</b> in the Slashdot title?  Even TFA's author was honest enough to include it in the original title.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 's the very relevant word embedded in the Slashdot title ?
Even TFA 's author was honest enough to include it in the original title .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where's the very relevant word embedded in the Slashdot title?
Even TFA's author was honest enough to include it in the original title.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296374</id>
	<title>Re:Sense?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267281960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for stuff such as this:<br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l\_DSZe8\_F8</p><p>Not saying that's a great example or anything, but for embedded systems, such as in-car instrument clusters, climate controls, BCM's, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for stuff such as this : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = -l \ _DSZe8 \ _F8Not saying that 's a great example or anything , but for embedded systems , such as in-car instrument clusters , climate controls , BCM 's , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for stuff such as this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l\_DSZe8\_F8Not saying that's a great example or anything, but for embedded systems, such as in-car instrument clusters, climate controls, BCM's, etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294430</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294996</id>
	<title>Re:Sense?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267211040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Security updates, dumbass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Security updates , dumbass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security updates, dumbass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294082</id>
	<title>1-Second First Post!</title>
	<author>Fieryphoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1267199820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guess Linux is faster than Slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess Linux is faster than Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess Linux is faster than Slashdot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294096</id>
	<title>I use Linux</title>
	<author>Beardo the Bearded</author>
	<datestamp>1267199940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Posted from Linux, but surely I have failed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Posted from Linux , but surely I have failed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posted from Linux, but surely I have failed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294250</id>
	<title>One Second Boot?</title>
	<author>WrongSizeGlass</author>
	<datestamp>1267201800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It must have been his first time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It must have been his first time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It must have been his first time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294296</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267202100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My pet rock runs Linux, and it boots up in exactly zero seconds!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My pet rock runs Linux , and it boots up in exactly zero seconds !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My pet rock runs Linux, and it boots up in exactly zero seconds!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31297638</id>
	<title>Re:Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>Graff</author>
	<datestamp>1267295520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What I've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it's the first time. If you look at most operating systems, they run a bunch of scripts, initialize a bunch of things, thrash the hard drive with random read and/or write patterns, and end up.. at exactly the same state every time. Why not just capture that state, and restore it?</p></div><p>Mac OS X pretty much does just this. It uses several files such as BootCache, BootCache.playlist, and Extensions.mkext to store a preset startup state that it can load fairly quickly. There still need to be some sanity checks to make sure that hardware and software haven't changed but overall the Mac OS X boot process is pretty quick.</p><p>Here's a good <a href="http://osxdaily.com/2007/01/22/what-happens-in-the-mac-os-x-boot-process/" title="osxdaily.com">summary of the boot process for Mac OS X</a> [osxdaily.com]. It's a little old but most of it is still relevant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I 've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it 's the first time .
If you look at most operating systems , they run a bunch of scripts , initialize a bunch of things , thrash the hard drive with random read and/or write patterns , and end up.. at exactly the same state every time .
Why not just capture that state , and restore it ? Mac OS X pretty much does just this .
It uses several files such as BootCache , BootCache.playlist , and Extensions.mkext to store a preset startup state that it can load fairly quickly .
There still need to be some sanity checks to make sure that hardware and software have n't changed but overall the Mac OS X boot process is pretty quick.Here 's a good summary of the boot process for Mac OS X [ osxdaily.com ] .
It 's a little old but most of it is still relevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it's the first time.
If you look at most operating systems, they run a bunch of scripts, initialize a bunch of things, thrash the hard drive with random read and/or write patterns, and end up.. at exactly the same state every time.
Why not just capture that state, and restore it?Mac OS X pretty much does just this.
It uses several files such as BootCache, BootCache.playlist, and Extensions.mkext to store a preset startup state that it can load fairly quickly.
There still need to be some sanity checks to make sure that hardware and software haven't changed but overall the Mac OS X boot process is pretty quick.Here's a good summary of the boot process for Mac OS X [osxdaily.com].
It's a little old but most of it is still relevant.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294962</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294962</id>
	<title>Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267210440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it's the first time. If you look at most operating systems, they run a bunch of scripts, initialize a bunch of things, thrash the hard drive with random read and/or write patterns, and end up.. at exactly the same state every time. Why not just capture that state, and restore it?</p><p>If you think about it, the only differences between typical boots are:</p><p>- The date &amp; time<br>- The type of boot (hibernation or cold boot)<br>- Some USB type devices that may have been plugged in or unplugged<br>- Minor logging events ('successful boot', 'need an fsck/chkdsk', etc...)</p><p>Really, all of that work can be done in milliseconds, not minutes. Operating systems should just read the ~100MB "ready for use" image from a nice contiguous section of the disk, write it straight into memory, and then do a quick sanity check for changed hardware.</p><p>A typical desktop SATA drive can read at 50MB/sec sequentially, so this should take, what, 2 seconds at most? On a good SSD, it should be 500ms!</p><p>I have a high-end laptop with a good SSD, and it still takes 46 seconds to go form "pressed the power button" to "logged on and usable" with Windows 7, and I suspect it wouldn't be much better with Linux.</p><p>The CPU utilization of typical machine booting in a VM with a very fast disk or SSD behind it is interesting to watch. It takes several seconds of 100\% CPU time to boot either Windows or Linux. If you think about it, there's no useful <i>computation</i> that the OS can possibly be doing before it's booted. That's 100\% wasted time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I 've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it 's the first time .
If you look at most operating systems , they run a bunch of scripts , initialize a bunch of things , thrash the hard drive with random read and/or write patterns , and end up.. at exactly the same state every time .
Why not just capture that state , and restore it ? If you think about it , the only differences between typical boots are : - The date &amp; time- The type of boot ( hibernation or cold boot ) - Some USB type devices that may have been plugged in or unplugged- Minor logging events ( 'successful boot ' , 'need an fsck/chkdsk ' , etc... ) Really , all of that work can be done in milliseconds , not minutes .
Operating systems should just read the ~ 100MB " ready for use " image from a nice contiguous section of the disk , write it straight into memory , and then do a quick sanity check for changed hardware.A typical desktop SATA drive can read at 50MB/sec sequentially , so this should take , what , 2 seconds at most ?
On a good SSD , it should be 500ms ! I have a high-end laptop with a good SSD , and it still takes 46 seconds to go form " pressed the power button " to " logged on and usable " with Windows 7 , and I suspect it would n't be much better with Linux.The CPU utilization of typical machine booting in a VM with a very fast disk or SSD behind it is interesting to watch .
It takes several seconds of 100 \ % CPU time to boot either Windows or Linux .
If you think about it , there 's no useful computation that the OS can possibly be doing before it 's booted .
That 's 100 \ % wasted time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it's the first time.
If you look at most operating systems, they run a bunch of scripts, initialize a bunch of things, thrash the hard drive with random read and/or write patterns, and end up.. at exactly the same state every time.
Why not just capture that state, and restore it?If you think about it, the only differences between typical boots are:- The date &amp; time- The type of boot (hibernation or cold boot)- Some USB type devices that may have been plugged in or unplugged- Minor logging events ('successful boot', 'need an fsck/chkdsk', etc...)Really, all of that work can be done in milliseconds, not minutes.
Operating systems should just read the ~100MB "ready for use" image from a nice contiguous section of the disk, write it straight into memory, and then do a quick sanity check for changed hardware.A typical desktop SATA drive can read at 50MB/sec sequentially, so this should take, what, 2 seconds at most?
On a good SSD, it should be 500ms!I have a high-end laptop with a good SSD, and it still takes 46 seconds to go form "pressed the power button" to "logged on and usable" with Windows 7, and I suspect it wouldn't be much better with Linux.The CPU utilization of typical machine booting in a VM with a very fast disk or SSD behind it is interesting to watch.
It takes several seconds of 100\% CPU time to boot either Windows or Linux.
If you think about it, there's no useful computation that the OS can possibly be doing before it's booted.
That's 100\% wasted time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294362</id>
	<title>But</title>
	<author>DuChamp Fitz</author>
	<datestamp>1267202700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>does it run crysis?</htmltext>
<tokenext>does it run crysis ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>does it run crysis?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295208</id>
	<title>Re:Specialized platform...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267214100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup, 1-second embedded boot is fairly is fairly nice but the summary is misleading and this is not even remotely comparable to desktop boot times. They're using an initramfs, no real filesystem, and no real distribution.</p><p>To put things into perspective, I have an OMAP3530 platform in front of me (same as TFA, funny coincidence) and a totally vanilla kernel that I compiled a few days ago boots in 2.5 seconds, not counting the long time wasted by the totally suboptimal bootloader (3-second deliberate boot delay, networking support, loading the kernel from an SD card, all that crap). That time includes mounting an ext3 filesystem from an SD card and starting to run init from it, and the kernel has built-in drivers for all onboard hardware including USB host+OTG, Ethernet, networking (ipv4 and ipv6), HDMI display output, audio, etc. Of course, booting the rest of the (real, full-blown) distro up takes a while as usual, but TFA is basically showing an embedded application that could be as simple as a single binary running from initramfs (I've actually poked a MontaVista Linux system once, and their startup was basically a single shell script - not quite SysV Init!). Remove the sd/ext3 stuff, remove useless drivers, replace the bootloader with a minimal build, use a busybox shell script + a single executable binary for the actual application, and you're probably getting close to 2-second total boot times without even beginning to optimize stuff with DMA and the like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , 1-second embedded boot is fairly is fairly nice but the summary is misleading and this is not even remotely comparable to desktop boot times .
They 're using an initramfs , no real filesystem , and no real distribution.To put things into perspective , I have an OMAP3530 platform in front of me ( same as TFA , funny coincidence ) and a totally vanilla kernel that I compiled a few days ago boots in 2.5 seconds , not counting the long time wasted by the totally suboptimal bootloader ( 3-second deliberate boot delay , networking support , loading the kernel from an SD card , all that crap ) .
That time includes mounting an ext3 filesystem from an SD card and starting to run init from it , and the kernel has built-in drivers for all onboard hardware including USB host + OTG , Ethernet , networking ( ipv4 and ipv6 ) , HDMI display output , audio , etc .
Of course , booting the rest of the ( real , full-blown ) distro up takes a while as usual , but TFA is basically showing an embedded application that could be as simple as a single binary running from initramfs ( I 've actually poked a MontaVista Linux system once , and their startup was basically a single shell script - not quite SysV Init ! ) .
Remove the sd/ext3 stuff , remove useless drivers , replace the bootloader with a minimal build , use a busybox shell script + a single executable binary for the actual application , and you 're probably getting close to 2-second total boot times without even beginning to optimize stuff with DMA and the like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, 1-second embedded boot is fairly is fairly nice but the summary is misleading and this is not even remotely comparable to desktop boot times.
They're using an initramfs, no real filesystem, and no real distribution.To put things into perspective, I have an OMAP3530 platform in front of me (same as TFA, funny coincidence) and a totally vanilla kernel that I compiled a few days ago boots in 2.5 seconds, not counting the long time wasted by the totally suboptimal bootloader (3-second deliberate boot delay, networking support, loading the kernel from an SD card, all that crap).
That time includes mounting an ext3 filesystem from an SD card and starting to run init from it, and the kernel has built-in drivers for all onboard hardware including USB host+OTG, Ethernet, networking (ipv4 and ipv6), HDMI display output, audio, etc.
Of course, booting the rest of the (real, full-blown) distro up takes a while as usual, but TFA is basically showing an embedded application that could be as simple as a single binary running from initramfs (I've actually poked a MontaVista Linux system once, and their startup was basically a single shell script - not quite SysV Init!).
Remove the sd/ext3 stuff, remove useless drivers, replace the bootloader with a minimal build, use a busybox shell script + a single executable binary for the actual application, and you're probably getting close to 2-second total boot times without even beginning to optimize stuff with DMA and the like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31306418</id>
	<title>Re:The Good Ole' /. Effect...</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1267377600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Good Ol&#233;?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Good Ol   ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Good Olé?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296270</id>
	<title>Re:The Register also has the story.</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1267279860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, no, that's not porn. It's the Charlie's Angels theme: where there were plenty of young men who committed self-abuse to that television introduction, the show never really crossed the line into real pornography.</p><p>Porn music gends to have more of a beat, and less flutes than that particular rendition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , that 's not porn .
It 's the Charlie 's Angels theme : where there were plenty of young men who committed self-abuse to that television introduction , the show never really crossed the line into real pornography.Porn music gends to have more of a beat , and less flutes than that particular rendition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, that's not porn.
It's the Charlie's Angels theme: where there were plenty of young men who committed self-abuse to that television introduction, the show never really crossed the line into real pornography.Porn music gends to have more of a beat, and less flutes than that particular rendition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294142</id>
	<title>The Register also has the story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Complete with a video:</p><p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/montavista\_boasts\_1sec\_linux\_boot/" title="theregister.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/montavista\_boasts\_1sec\_linux\_boot/</a> [theregister.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Complete with a video : http : //www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/montavista \ _boasts \ _1sec \ _linux \ _boot/ [ theregister.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Complete with a video:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/montavista\_boasts\_1sec\_linux\_boot/ [theregister.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294506</id>
	<title>Re:1-Second First Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267204380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell!</p><p>I spent a week trying to get that damn 3530 to boot faster.</p><p>There better be a wiki.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell ! I spent a week trying to get that damn 3530 to boot faster.There better be a wiki .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell!I spent a week trying to get that damn 3530 to boot faster.There better be a wiki.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295654</id>
	<title>Re:Boot times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267265940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Big Deal. I've got an old LCD TV that boots in 60 seconds... when I'm lucky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Big Deal .
I 've got an old LCD TV that boots in 60 seconds... when I 'm lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big Deal.
I've got an old LCD TV that boots in 60 seconds... when I'm lucky.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295472</id>
	<title>Who cares about this?</title>
	<author>sneilan</author>
	<datestamp>1267261680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most linux users have to reboot their computers about as many times as they have been laid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most linux users have to reboot their computers about as many times as they have been laid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most linux users have to reboot their computers about as many times as they have been laid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295864</id>
	<title>Re:Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267270500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that hibernation still drains electricity. If you turn off your computer while it is hibernating (or it drains its battery), you loose loose the "unsaved" information, and have to reboot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that hibernation still drains electricity .
If you turn off your computer while it is hibernating ( or it drains its battery ) , you loose loose the " unsaved " information , and have to reboot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that hibernation still drains electricity.
If you turn off your computer while it is hibernating (or it drains its battery), you loose loose the "unsaved" information, and have to reboot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295548</id>
	<title>Re:The Register also has the story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267262820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I find it disturbing that you have to sit through a 2:30 minute powerpoint presentation accompanied by 1980s porn music in order to see the 1 second boot time.  For those looking for just the boot time, it occurs between 1:05 and 1:06 seconds in the video.</p></div><p>So the timing is just like 1980s porn.  Who knew Linux would become a star actor/actress.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it disturbing that you have to sit through a 2 : 30 minute powerpoint presentation accompanied by 1980s porn music in order to see the 1 second boot time .
For those looking for just the boot time , it occurs between 1 : 05 and 1 : 06 seconds in the video.So the timing is just like 1980s porn .
Who knew Linux would become a star actor/actress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it disturbing that you have to sit through a 2:30 minute powerpoint presentation accompanied by 1980s porn music in order to see the 1 second boot time.
For those looking for just the boot time, it occurs between 1:05 and 1:06 seconds in the video.So the timing is just like 1980s porn.
Who knew Linux would become a star actor/actress.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294552</id>
	<title>is this new?</title>
	<author>Sam36</author>
	<datestamp>1267204800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

Slashdot, downstairs in my house has a major ant problem. Luckily I reside upstairs. Nevertheless, once every 5 minutes or so an ant comes trotting along my desk. First I place a coin or another object in its path. This confuses the ant, causing it to run off in a different direction, but my finger is waiting. I block its path with my finger. It runs in the opposite direction, but I anticipate this. Soon the ant is encircled by pens and other barriers, and if it attempts to climb them, swift punishment is issued. The ant remains in my arena. Then I take my knife, and nimbly place the tip onto one of its legs, holding it in place, then I press down hard and chop the leg off. The ant does not run, it merely enters a craze moving all around wildly. I allow it to suffer like this for a minute or so, chopping off another leg if it appears not to be in pain. Then comes a decision. Sometimes I will wait for another ant, and place it in the arena to see what it does. Occasionally it will pick up its comrade, and run off, but this is an offense punishable by death. Other times, I will merely watch the ant until it gives up. It will stop moving all but one leg. At this point I give in and slice the ant in two, putting it out of its misery. I save the corpses in a small pile, and once I have a considerable stack, I scatter them in my arena. This is where the real fun begins.<br> <br>

I venture outside to my back yard and find a red ant. This is my gladiator. I return to my room and place him in among the corpses. He wanders, confused. I do not let him leave. I pound the desk near him with my fingers, scaring him. I toughen my gladiator up until another ant comes along. I place the intruder into the arena. The red ant will go after the black ant, and they engage in mortal combat. If the red ant wins, another corpse decorates my arena. If the black ant vanquishes his foe, he wins the prize of life. I carry him in my hands and bring him downstairs and place him among his comrades. If he put up a good fight, I give him a warriors welcome and feed his colony with bread. If he barely defeated the red ant, he receives no food, only the gift of life. This is how i spent my afternoons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot , downstairs in my house has a major ant problem .
Luckily I reside upstairs .
Nevertheless , once every 5 minutes or so an ant comes trotting along my desk .
First I place a coin or another object in its path .
This confuses the ant , causing it to run off in a different direction , but my finger is waiting .
I block its path with my finger .
It runs in the opposite direction , but I anticipate this .
Soon the ant is encircled by pens and other barriers , and if it attempts to climb them , swift punishment is issued .
The ant remains in my arena .
Then I take my knife , and nimbly place the tip onto one of its legs , holding it in place , then I press down hard and chop the leg off .
The ant does not run , it merely enters a craze moving all around wildly .
I allow it to suffer like this for a minute or so , chopping off another leg if it appears not to be in pain .
Then comes a decision .
Sometimes I will wait for another ant , and place it in the arena to see what it does .
Occasionally it will pick up its comrade , and run off , but this is an offense punishable by death .
Other times , I will merely watch the ant until it gives up .
It will stop moving all but one leg .
At this point I give in and slice the ant in two , putting it out of its misery .
I save the corpses in a small pile , and once I have a considerable stack , I scatter them in my arena .
This is where the real fun begins .
I venture outside to my back yard and find a red ant .
This is my gladiator .
I return to my room and place him in among the corpses .
He wanders , confused .
I do not let him leave .
I pound the desk near him with my fingers , scaring him .
I toughen my gladiator up until another ant comes along .
I place the intruder into the arena .
The red ant will go after the black ant , and they engage in mortal combat .
If the red ant wins , another corpse decorates my arena .
If the black ant vanquishes his foe , he wins the prize of life .
I carry him in my hands and bring him downstairs and place him among his comrades .
If he put up a good fight , I give him a warriors welcome and feed his colony with bread .
If he barely defeated the red ant , he receives no food , only the gift of life .
This is how i spent my afternoons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

Slashdot, downstairs in my house has a major ant problem.
Luckily I reside upstairs.
Nevertheless, once every 5 minutes or so an ant comes trotting along my desk.
First I place a coin or another object in its path.
This confuses the ant, causing it to run off in a different direction, but my finger is waiting.
I block its path with my finger.
It runs in the opposite direction, but I anticipate this.
Soon the ant is encircled by pens and other barriers, and if it attempts to climb them, swift punishment is issued.
The ant remains in my arena.
Then I take my knife, and nimbly place the tip onto one of its legs, holding it in place, then I press down hard and chop the leg off.
The ant does not run, it merely enters a craze moving all around wildly.
I allow it to suffer like this for a minute or so, chopping off another leg if it appears not to be in pain.
Then comes a decision.
Sometimes I will wait for another ant, and place it in the arena to see what it does.
Occasionally it will pick up its comrade, and run off, but this is an offense punishable by death.
Other times, I will merely watch the ant until it gives up.
It will stop moving all but one leg.
At this point I give in and slice the ant in two, putting it out of its misery.
I save the corpses in a small pile, and once I have a considerable stack, I scatter them in my arena.
This is where the real fun begins.
I venture outside to my back yard and find a red ant.
This is my gladiator.
I return to my room and place him in among the corpses.
He wanders, confused.
I do not let him leave.
I pound the desk near him with my fingers, scaring him.
I toughen my gladiator up until another ant comes along.
I place the intruder into the arena.
The red ant will go after the black ant, and they engage in mortal combat.
If the red ant wins, another corpse decorates my arena.
If the black ant vanquishes his foe, he wins the prize of life.
I carry him in my hands and bring him downstairs and place him among his comrades.
If he put up a good fight, I give him a warriors welcome and feed his colony with bread.
If he barely defeated the red ant, he receives no food, only the gift of life.
This is how i spent my afternoons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294430</id>
	<title>Sense?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267203540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apart from the &ldquo;because I can&rdquo;, what&rsquo;s the actual point of this?</p><p>I mean restarting the computer is rather a Windows thing. Why would you reboot a Linux machine? There isn&rsquo;t a new kernel that often...<br>If it&rsquo;s a desktop, you are going to switch it on in the morning, go take a piss, enter the password, go find something to eat, and then it runs for the day. Same thing when you were away and came home.</p><p>And for anything else (e.g. laptops) there always is hibernation.<br>Also the trick to make shutdown actually reboot and go to hibernation, helps with doing actual reboots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apart from the    because I can    , what    s the actual point of this ? I mean restarting the computer is rather a Windows thing .
Why would you reboot a Linux machine ?
There isn    t a new kernel that often...If it    s a desktop , you are going to switch it on in the morning , go take a piss , enter the password , go find something to eat , and then it runs for the day .
Same thing when you were away and came home.And for anything else ( e.g .
laptops ) there always is hibernation.Also the trick to make shutdown actually reboot and go to hibernation , helps with doing actual reboots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apart from the “because I can”, what’s the actual point of this?I mean restarting the computer is rather a Windows thing.
Why would you reboot a Linux machine?
There isn’t a new kernel that often...If it’s a desktop, you are going to switch it on in the morning, go take a piss, enter the password, go find something to eat, and then it runs for the day.
Same thing when you were away and came home.And for anything else (e.g.
laptops) there always is hibernation.Also the trick to make shutdown actually reboot and go to hibernation, helps with doing actual reboots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294960</id>
	<title>Re:Boot times</title>
	<author>feepness</author>
	<datestamp>1267210440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just bought a cheap digital TV that takes almost 5 seconds to boot. Sad.</p></div><p>Just imagine!  With this you could watch almost 4 more seconds of TV at a time!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just bought a cheap digital TV that takes almost 5 seconds to boot .
Sad.Just imagine !
With this you could watch almost 4 more seconds of TV at a time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just bought a cheap digital TV that takes almost 5 seconds to boot.
Sad.Just imagine!
With this you could watch almost 4 more seconds of TV at a time!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294384</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D</author>
	<datestamp>1267202880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see why the summary is misleading or why a desktop machine would be the only measuring stick worth considering, especially when you think of how seldomly Linux is run on the desktop.<blockquote><div><p>This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!"</p></div></blockquote><p>What would be wrong with that?</p><p>
They poured a <i>tonne</i> of work into making this happen. Just because they control the hardware their hard work isn't worth anything? I think it's pretty cool what they've been able to do, someone no one else in the history of Linux has ever been able to do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why the summary is misleading or why a desktop machine would be the only measuring stick worth considering , especially when you think of how seldomly Linux is run on the desktop.This is like saying , " My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly !
" What would be wrong with that ?
They poured a tonne of work into making this happen .
Just because they control the hardware their hard work is n't worth anything ?
I think it 's pretty cool what they 've been able to do , someone no one else in the history of Linux has ever been able to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why the summary is misleading or why a desktop machine would be the only measuring stick worth considering, especially when you think of how seldomly Linux is run on the desktop.This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!
"What would be wrong with that?
They poured a tonne of work into making this happen.
Just because they control the hardware their hard work isn't worth anything?
I think it's pretty cool what they've been able to do, someone no one else in the history of Linux has ever been able to do.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294542</id>
	<title>LCD Display?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267204740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't the phrase "LCD Display(liquid crystal display display" as redundant as the phrase "hot water heater" and "atm machine"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the phrase " LCD Display ( liquid crystal display display " as redundant as the phrase " hot water heater " and " atm machine " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the phrase "LCD Display(liquid crystal display display" as redundant as the phrase "hot water heater" and "atm machine"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296940</id>
	<title>Re:Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1267289340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What I've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it's the first time.</p></div></blockquote><p>Because you told it to do so.  If you didn't want it to reboot, you should have suspended or hibernated the system instead.</p><blockquote><div><p>Really, all of that work can be done in milliseconds, not minutes. Operating systems should just read the ~100MB "ready for use" image from a nice contiguous section of the disk, write it straight into memory, and then do a quick sanity check for changed hardware.</p></div></blockquote><p>You've reinvented Hibernate mode, with it's existing limitations, and more mistakes you've added...  Anyone who's used hibernate know it mostly works, but some devices need to be more fully initialized (like your video card) and starting to use it when it's in a different state than it last was, is a sure recipe for disaster.  Despite claims to the contrary, I'd say S3 Suspend is easier to get working CORRECTLY, than Hibernate, and with power requirements less indistinguishable from the "off" load, and boot times of &lt;2 seconds, S3 is far better all around.</p><p>I continue to use this old PC (Socket-A MSI Mobo) as my desktop because S3 Suspend mode works (almost) perfectly with FreeBSD-6.x.  The ability sit down at my PC, hit the power button, and have all my apps open where I left them (not just the minimal OS up and running) is incredibly valuable.  It's a real shame so few people have had the opportunity to experience it.  In addition, it's great to be able to just get up and walk away from my computer at any time, for any reason without giving it a second thought...  because in 10 minutes it'll be using no power, and when I come back, it'll be right where I left it.  Never mind the implications for a UPS-powered system, like a system left right where it was when you last used it, which can be powered from the smallest battery for hundreds of hours, easily.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I 've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it 's the first time.Because you told it to do so .
If you did n't want it to reboot , you should have suspended or hibernated the system instead.Really , all of that work can be done in milliseconds , not minutes .
Operating systems should just read the ~ 100MB " ready for use " image from a nice contiguous section of the disk , write it straight into memory , and then do a quick sanity check for changed hardware.You 've reinvented Hibernate mode , with it 's existing limitations , and more mistakes you 've added... Anyone who 's used hibernate know it mostly works , but some devices need to be more fully initialized ( like your video card ) and starting to use it when it 's in a different state than it last was , is a sure recipe for disaster .
Despite claims to the contrary , I 'd say S3 Suspend is easier to get working CORRECTLY , than Hibernate , and with power requirements less indistinguishable from the " off " load , and boot times of I continue to use this old PC ( Socket-A MSI Mobo ) as my desktop because S3 Suspend mode works ( almost ) perfectly with FreeBSD-6.x .
The ability sit down at my PC , hit the power button , and have all my apps open where I left them ( not just the minimal OS up and running ) is incredibly valuable .
It 's a real shame so few people have had the opportunity to experience it .
In addition , it 's great to be able to just get up and walk away from my computer at any time , for any reason without giving it a second thought... because in 10 minutes it 'll be using no power , and when I come back , it 'll be right where I left it .
Never mind the implications for a UPS-powered system , like a system left right where it was when you last used it , which can be powered from the smallest battery for hundreds of hours , easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I've never quite understood is why most operating systems boot every time like it's the first time.Because you told it to do so.
If you didn't want it to reboot, you should have suspended or hibernated the system instead.Really, all of that work can be done in milliseconds, not minutes.
Operating systems should just read the ~100MB "ready for use" image from a nice contiguous section of the disk, write it straight into memory, and then do a quick sanity check for changed hardware.You've reinvented Hibernate mode, with it's existing limitations, and more mistakes you've added...  Anyone who's used hibernate know it mostly works, but some devices need to be more fully initialized (like your video card) and starting to use it when it's in a different state than it last was, is a sure recipe for disaster.
Despite claims to the contrary, I'd say S3 Suspend is easier to get working CORRECTLY, than Hibernate, and with power requirements less indistinguishable from the "off" load, and boot times of I continue to use this old PC (Socket-A MSI Mobo) as my desktop because S3 Suspend mode works (almost) perfectly with FreeBSD-6.x.
The ability sit down at my PC, hit the power button, and have all my apps open where I left them (not just the minimal OS up and running) is incredibly valuable.
It's a real shame so few people have had the opportunity to experience it.
In addition, it's great to be able to just get up and walk away from my computer at any time, for any reason without giving it a second thought...  because in 10 minutes it'll be using no power, and when I come back, it'll be right where I left it.
Never mind the implications for a UPS-powered system, like a system left right where it was when you last used it, which can be powered from the smallest battery for hundreds of hours, easily.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294104</id>
	<title>Link is dead already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, their webserver sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , their webserver sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, their webserver sucks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294786</id>
	<title>Re:The Register also has the story.</title>
	<author>somenickname</author>
	<datestamp>1267207740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it disturbing that you have to sit through a 2:30 minute powerpoint presentation accompanied by 1980s porn music in order to see the 1 second boot time.  For those looking for just the boot time, it occurs between 1:05 and 1:06 seconds in the video.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it disturbing that you have to sit through a 2 : 30 minute powerpoint presentation accompanied by 1980s porn music in order to see the 1 second boot time .
For those looking for just the boot time , it occurs between 1 : 05 and 1 : 06 seconds in the video .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it disturbing that you have to sit through a 2:30 minute powerpoint presentation accompanied by 1980s porn music in order to see the 1 second boot time.
For those looking for just the boot time, it occurs between 1:05 and 1:06 seconds in the video.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294142</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294968</id>
	<title>And 800ms of that is clock stabilization.</title>
	<author>jthill</author>
	<datestamp>1267210560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of that time, 800 ms are spent just stabilizing the clocks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of that time , 800 ms are spent just stabilizing the clocks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of that time, 800 ms are spent just stabilizing the clocks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296422</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one....</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1267282980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've been around since before Longhorn even had a name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've been around since before Longhorn even had a name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've been around since before Longhorn even had a name.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31298900</id>
	<title>Idea for Swiftboot</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1267302840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could the Swiftboot people consider making Ubuntu boot in 1 second?  Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could the Swiftboot people consider making Ubuntu boot in 1 second ?
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could the Swiftboot people consider making Ubuntu boot in 1 second?
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31302608</id>
	<title>Re:1-Second First Post!</title>
	<author>ls671</author>
	<datestamp>1267291920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They said it boots quickly but they never mentioned any capacity to handle load<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-))</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They said it boots quickly but they never mentioned any capacity to handle load ; - ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They said it boots quickly but they never mentioned any capacity to handle load ;-))</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294734</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295376</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Gaardenzwerch</author>
	<datestamp>1267303440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is a linux computer in a car that has very specific hardware and limited functionality.</p> </div><p>So it's just like a Mac in fact...</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Wake me up when you can get a true desktop machine to boot in 1 second and then we can talk.  This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!"</p><p>Big freaking deal.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a linux computer in a car that has very specific hardware and limited functionality .
So it 's just like a Mac in fact... Wake me up when you can get a true desktop machine to boot in 1 second and then we can talk .
This is like saying , " My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly !
" Big freaking deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a linux computer in a car that has very specific hardware and limited functionality.
So it's just like a Mac in fact... Wake me up when you can get a true desktop machine to boot in 1 second and then we can talk.
This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!
"Big freaking deal.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294266</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31299118</id>
	<title>You young wippersnappers...</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1267304160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...don't know how good you got it. The first computer I learned to boot was a PDP-8 with no boot rom. The only mass storage medium was punched paper tape. Booting consisted of setting the <a href="http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~djg/htdocs/pdp8i/pics/small/pdp8i\_frontpanel.jpg" title="comm.sfu.ca">front panel switches</a> [comm.sfu.ca] so that the first few bytes of RAM contained a program that said "read the paper tape and execute it". Then you loaded the OS tape into the reader, prayed that it wouldn't jam or tear, pressed a button and waited a couple minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...do n't know how good you got it .
The first computer I learned to boot was a PDP-8 with no boot rom .
The only mass storage medium was punched paper tape .
Booting consisted of setting the front panel switches [ comm.sfu.ca ] so that the first few bytes of RAM contained a program that said " read the paper tape and execute it " .
Then you loaded the OS tape into the reader , prayed that it would n't jam or tear , pressed a button and waited a couple minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...don't know how good you got it.
The first computer I learned to boot was a PDP-8 with no boot rom.
The only mass storage medium was punched paper tape.
Booting consisted of setting the front panel switches [comm.sfu.ca] so that the first few bytes of RAM contained a program that said "read the paper tape and execute it".
Then you loaded the OS tape into the reader, prayed that it wouldn't jam or tear, pressed a button and waited a couple minutes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31306322</id>
	<title>Re:1-Second First Post!</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1267377120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even the web site is quick as a <b>flash</b>... I got this in less than a second!</p></div><p>So you mean not quick at all?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the web site is quick as a flash... I got this in less than a second ! So you mean not quick at all ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the web site is quick as a flash... I got this in less than a second!So you mean not quick at all?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294734</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295056</id>
	<title>Re:Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I half agree with you.  Well, you can put your computer in hibernation/sleep mode.  Works for me and a lot of folks.  It does exactly what you describe.</p><p>I even think that nowadays that should be the default option for "shutdown".</p><p>But you still need to shutdown or reboot from time to time.  And there's no easy halfway solution there.  If you had to reboot for a problem, it means the original image may already be wrong / corrupted and you need to re-do all the testing and scripts.  If you had to reboot for a hardware change, or kernel change etc.  Well, same thing.</p><p>But yeah, I'm all for sleeping instead of shutdown-ing being the default!</p><p>(Note: on Windows, it should sleep 3/4 of the time and reboot 1/4 of the time, just for safe measures)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I half agree with you .
Well , you can put your computer in hibernation/sleep mode .
Works for me and a lot of folks .
It does exactly what you describe.I even think that nowadays that should be the default option for " shutdown " .But you still need to shutdown or reboot from time to time .
And there 's no easy halfway solution there .
If you had to reboot for a problem , it means the original image may already be wrong / corrupted and you need to re-do all the testing and scripts .
If you had to reboot for a hardware change , or kernel change etc .
Well , same thing.But yeah , I 'm all for sleeping instead of shutdown-ing being the default !
( Note : on Windows , it should sleep 3/4 of the time and reboot 1/4 of the time , just for safe measures )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I half agree with you.
Well, you can put your computer in hibernation/sleep mode.
Works for me and a lot of folks.
It does exactly what you describe.I even think that nowadays that should be the default option for "shutdown".But you still need to shutdown or reboot from time to time.
And there's no easy halfway solution there.
If you had to reboot for a problem, it means the original image may already be wrong / corrupted and you need to re-do all the testing and scripts.
If you had to reboot for a hardware change, or kernel change etc.
Well, same thing.But yeah, I'm all for sleeping instead of shutdown-ing being the default!
(Note: on Windows, it should sleep 3/4 of the time and reboot 1/4 of the time, just for safe measures)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294962</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294136</id>
	<title>Search</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Search for MontaVista and you can likely find the video. TheRegister has it as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Search for MontaVista and you can likely find the video .
TheRegister has it as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Search for MontaVista and you can likely find the video.
TheRegister has it as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296364</id>
	<title>Re:Ok... I'll take it</title>
	<author>paradxum</author>
	<datestamp>1267281780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I completely agree, it's not "groundbreaking" but honestly as someone developing a linux based embedded device, I'm glad to see someone doing it today with "modern" systems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree , it 's not " groundbreaking " but honestly as someone developing a linux based embedded device , I 'm glad to see someone doing it today with " modern " systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree, it's not "groundbreaking" but honestly as someone developing a linux based embedded device, I'm glad to see someone doing it today with "modern" systems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294158</id>
	<title>direct video link plus alternative news link</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/07/linux-achieves-1-second-boot.html" title="internetnews.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/07/linux-achieves-1-second-boot.html</a> [internetnews.com]<br><a href="http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/linux-1-second-boot-demo-15-07-09/" title="geeky-gadgets.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/linux-1-second-boot-demo-15-07-09/</a> [geeky-gadgets.com]<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l\_DSZe8\_F8" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow"> YouTube - One Second Embedded Linux Boot Demonstration (new version)</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/07/linux-achieves-1-second-boot.html [ internetnews.com ] http : //www.geeky-gadgets.com/linux-1-second-boot-demo-15-07-09/ [ geeky-gadgets.com ] YouTube - One Second Embedded Linux Boot Demonstration ( new version ) [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/07/linux-achieves-1-second-boot.html [internetnews.com]http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/linux-1-second-boot-demo-15-07-09/ [geeky-gadgets.com] YouTube - One Second Embedded Linux Boot Demonstration (new version) [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294622</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267205700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it is a pretty big deal.  In most embedded systems that need to be instant on, a manufacturer would likely use highly customized code with highly customized hardware.  The big deal here is that a (relatively) full linux kernel and system boots in the same time as all that custom code giving a manufacturer a solid, generic, and cheap base to work from.  In other words, rather than having to rely on highly customized, specific firmware for the device, a more generic linux-based system platform can be used.  This makes everything cheaper and thus must more profitable.  This is proof that Linux is flexible and agile enough to be used from the smallest devices all the way up the line.  Same kernel-level APIs everywhere.  Same tools.  A tremendous advantage for embedded device makers rushing to get to market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it is a pretty big deal .
In most embedded systems that need to be instant on , a manufacturer would likely use highly customized code with highly customized hardware .
The big deal here is that a ( relatively ) full linux kernel and system boots in the same time as all that custom code giving a manufacturer a solid , generic , and cheap base to work from .
In other words , rather than having to rely on highly customized , specific firmware for the device , a more generic linux-based system platform can be used .
This makes everything cheaper and thus must more profitable .
This is proof that Linux is flexible and agile enough to be used from the smallest devices all the way up the line .
Same kernel-level APIs everywhere .
Same tools .
A tremendous advantage for embedded device makers rushing to get to market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it is a pretty big deal.
In most embedded systems that need to be instant on, a manufacturer would likely use highly customized code with highly customized hardware.
The big deal here is that a (relatively) full linux kernel and system boots in the same time as all that custom code giving a manufacturer a solid, generic, and cheap base to work from.
In other words, rather than having to rely on highly customized, specific firmware for the device, a more generic linux-based system platform can be used.
This makes everything cheaper and thus must more profitable.
This is proof that Linux is flexible and agile enough to be used from the smallest devices all the way up the line.
Same kernel-level APIs everywhere.
Same tools.
A tremendous advantage for embedded device makers rushing to get to market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31297382</id>
	<title>Re:Sense?</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1267293420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With a mobile computer (ie one not tethered by a power cable, such as one in a car, a PDA/smartphone, or the like) can benefit quite a bit from being able to go from a power-off state to on-and-usable.</p><p>It doesn't matter if the device has a 10 day "on but not in use" lifetime if it's still draining the battery, and the device gets used once every 5 days for half an hour at a time. That'll lead to a lot of "crap the battery is dead again".</p><p>Also, for automotive use, it would be very useful to actually be able to use your in-dash computer as soon as you turn the ignition key (not having to wait for it to boot) without having the computer 'always on' and draining the car battery (even if it is a marginal drain - it's still a drain).</p><p>Really, what you ask is a silly question. Your supposition of "there's always hibernation" smacks of a hate for progress. Sure, there's hibernation, (and for saving application state, etc., that's really nice). But this has obvious applications and benefits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With a mobile computer ( ie one not tethered by a power cable , such as one in a car , a PDA/smartphone , or the like ) can benefit quite a bit from being able to go from a power-off state to on-and-usable.It does n't matter if the device has a 10 day " on but not in use " lifetime if it 's still draining the battery , and the device gets used once every 5 days for half an hour at a time .
That 'll lead to a lot of " crap the battery is dead again " .Also , for automotive use , it would be very useful to actually be able to use your in-dash computer as soon as you turn the ignition key ( not having to wait for it to boot ) without having the computer 'always on ' and draining the car battery ( even if it is a marginal drain - it 's still a drain ) .Really , what you ask is a silly question .
Your supposition of " there 's always hibernation " smacks of a hate for progress .
Sure , there 's hibernation , ( and for saving application state , etc. , that 's really nice ) .
But this has obvious applications and benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a mobile computer (ie one not tethered by a power cable, such as one in a car, a PDA/smartphone, or the like) can benefit quite a bit from being able to go from a power-off state to on-and-usable.It doesn't matter if the device has a 10 day "on but not in use" lifetime if it's still draining the battery, and the device gets used once every 5 days for half an hour at a time.
That'll lead to a lot of "crap the battery is dead again".Also, for automotive use, it would be very useful to actually be able to use your in-dash computer as soon as you turn the ignition key (not having to wait for it to boot) without having the computer 'always on' and draining the car battery (even if it is a marginal drain - it's still a drain).Really, what you ask is a silly question.
Your supposition of "there's always hibernation" smacks of a hate for progress.
Sure, there's hibernation, (and for saving application state, etc., that's really nice).
But this has obvious applications and benefits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294266</id>
	<title>Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267201860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a linux computer in a car that has very specific hardware and limited functionality.  Wake me up when you can get a true desktop machine to boot in 1 second and then we can talk.  This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!"

Big freaking deal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a linux computer in a car that has very specific hardware and limited functionality .
Wake me up when you can get a true desktop machine to boot in 1 second and then we can talk .
This is like saying , " My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly !
" Big freaking deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a linux computer in a car that has very specific hardware and limited functionality.
Wake me up when you can get a true desktop machine to boot in 1 second and then we can talk.
This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!
"

Big freaking deal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294680</id>
	<title>Boot times</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1267206360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just bought a cheap digital TV that takes almost 5 seconds to boot. Sad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just bought a cheap digital TV that takes almost 5 seconds to boot .
Sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just bought a cheap digital TV that takes almost 5 seconds to boot.
Sad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296214</id>
	<title>One second boot perfect for ATM machines</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1267278840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This one second booting will be perfect for ATM machines, so you don't have to wait to enter your PIN number.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This one second booting will be perfect for ATM machines , so you do n't have to wait to enter your PIN number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This one second booting will be perfect for ATM machines, so you don't have to wait to enter your PIN number.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296500</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Chewbacon</author>
	<datestamp>1267284360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My toaster doesn't run linux and has no boot time.  Beat that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My toaster does n't run linux and has no boot time .
Beat that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My toaster doesn't run linux and has no boot time.
Beat that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295078</id>
	<title>Re:Boot times</title>
	<author>Lisandro</author>
	<datestamp>1267212360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I`m guessing Dynex...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ` m guessing Dynex.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I`m guessing Dynex...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295006</id>
	<title>Re:Link is dead already</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1267211220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way to spoil the ending of the new Zelda game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to spoil the ending of the new Zelda game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to spoil the ending of the new Zelda game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295518</id>
	<title>Re:Ok... I'll take it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267262160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this what Commodore Business Machines were doing back in the 70's?  Will everyone ever catch up with their remarkable technology?  Not only instant OS but alternative instant OS's by plugging in a new cartridge.  Awesome even at 1MHZ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this what Commodore Business Machines were doing back in the 70 's ?
Will everyone ever catch up with their remarkable technology ?
Not only instant OS but alternative instant OS 's by plugging in a new cartridge .
Awesome even at 1MHZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this what Commodore Business Machines were doing back in the 70's?
Will everyone ever catch up with their remarkable technology?
Not only instant OS but alternative instant OS's by plugging in a new cartridge.
Awesome even at 1MHZ.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294734</id>
	<title>Re:1-Second First Post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267207080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even the web site is quick as a flash... I got this in less than a second!</p><p>Unable to connect</p><p>Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.embedded-bits.co.uk.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; moments.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; connection.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the web site is quick as a flash... I got this in less than a second ! Unable to connectFirefox ca n't establish a connection to the server at www.embedded-bits.co.uk .
        * The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy .
Try again in a few                     moments .
        * If you are unable to load any pages , check your computer 's network                     connection .
        * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy , make sure                     that Firefox is permitted to access the Web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the web site is quick as a flash... I got this in less than a second!Unable to connectFirefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.embedded-bits.co.uk.
        *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy.
Try again in a few
                    moments.
        *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
                    connection.
        *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
                    that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295068</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!"</p></div><p>So that's how the Cylons took over.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is like saying , " My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly !
" So that 's how the Cylons took over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is like saying, "My toaster runs linux and it can boot instantly!
"So that's how the Cylons took over.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296508</id>
	<title>Re:Sense?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267284540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless Gnome hangs the entire system...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless Gnome hangs the entire system.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless Gnome hangs the entire system...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295958</id>
	<title>How would it know this?</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1267272360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typically the only reason my linux machines get rebooted is precisely because the hardware HAS changed. Or the kernel has. What other reason can there be to reboot?
</p><p>And as for your assertion that linux wouldn't be any better, I get a cheap netbook with a joke SSD and it boots faster. (Aspire One ZG5)
</p><p>Windows boot time is not entirely fair however, it tries to do a lot of things. People think that all a computer does is draw a desktop, but to get all that in order a lot of hardware has to be configured and this includes dealing with delays. For instance spinning up the HD's and allow them time to report. There is often even a bios setting to allow extra delay's so slower hardware has time to respond.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typically the only reason my linux machines get rebooted is precisely because the hardware HAS changed .
Or the kernel has .
What other reason can there be to reboot ?
And as for your assertion that linux would n't be any better , I get a cheap netbook with a joke SSD and it boots faster .
( Aspire One ZG5 ) Windows boot time is not entirely fair however , it tries to do a lot of things .
People think that all a computer does is draw a desktop , but to get all that in order a lot of hardware has to be configured and this includes dealing with delays .
For instance spinning up the HD 's and allow them time to report .
There is often even a bios setting to allow extra delay 's so slower hardware has time to respond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typically the only reason my linux machines get rebooted is precisely because the hardware HAS changed.
Or the kernel has.
What other reason can there be to reboot?
And as for your assertion that linux wouldn't be any better, I get a cheap netbook with a joke SSD and it boots faster.
(Aspire One ZG5)
Windows boot time is not entirely fair however, it tries to do a lot of things.
People think that all a computer does is draw a desktop, but to get all that in order a lot of hardware has to be configured and this includes dealing with delays.
For instance spinning up the HD's and allow them time to report.
There is often even a bios setting to allow extra delay's so slower hardware has time to respond.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31305096</id>
	<title>Re:Specialized platform...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267367820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>An OS optimized for a single platform being loaded uncompressed from ROM (or in this case flash) is nothing special.  Heck, many of the computers of 30 years ago booted up in a second or two for the same reasons.</p></div><p>All personal computers I used 30 years ago booted in less than a second, or at least I think they did, the screen/TV usually took a couple of minutes to warm up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An OS optimized for a single platform being loaded uncompressed from ROM ( or in this case flash ) is nothing special .
Heck , many of the computers of 30 years ago booted up in a second or two for the same reasons.All personal computers I used 30 years ago booted in less than a second , or at least I think they did , the screen/TV usually took a couple of minutes to warm up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An OS optimized for a single platform being loaded uncompressed from ROM (or in this case flash) is nothing special.
Heck, many of the computers of 30 years ago booted up in a second or two for the same reasons.All personal computers I used 30 years ago booted in less than a second, or at least I think they did, the screen/TV usually took a couple of minutes to warm up.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296056</id>
	<title>Re:The Register also has the story.</title>
	<author>frogboyflips</author>
	<datestamp>1267275300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a different story - The register one was from last year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a different story - The register one was from last year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a different story - The register one was from last year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31297412</id>
	<title>Re:Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1267293720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have a high-end laptop with a good SSD, and it still takes 46 seconds to go form "pressed the power button" to "logged on and usable" with Windows 7, and I suspect it wouldn't be much better with Linux.</p></div><p>Wow, seriously? I've got a Hitachi RAID1 (mdraid) in Ubuntu 9.04 and it takes maybe 20s to get to the X login screen from POST. It's a little longer in 10.04 on similar hardware, but then I haven't bothered to prune unneeded services - still no more than 40s or so. I don't have the time to get up and get a glass of water from the kitchen, at any rate (a 25 foot distance from where I sit).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a high-end laptop with a good SSD , and it still takes 46 seconds to go form " pressed the power button " to " logged on and usable " with Windows 7 , and I suspect it would n't be much better with Linux.Wow , seriously ?
I 've got a Hitachi RAID1 ( mdraid ) in Ubuntu 9.04 and it takes maybe 20s to get to the X login screen from POST .
It 's a little longer in 10.04 on similar hardware , but then I have n't bothered to prune unneeded services - still no more than 40s or so .
I do n't have the time to get up and get a glass of water from the kitchen , at any rate ( a 25 foot distance from where I sit ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a high-end laptop with a good SSD, and it still takes 46 seconds to go form "pressed the power button" to "logged on and usable" with Windows 7, and I suspect it wouldn't be much better with Linux.Wow, seriously?
I've got a Hitachi RAID1 (mdraid) in Ubuntu 9.04 and it takes maybe 20s to get to the X login screen from POST.
It's a little longer in 10.04 on similar hardware, but then I haven't bothered to prune unneeded services - still no more than 40s or so.
I don't have the time to get up and get a glass of water from the kitchen, at any rate (a 25 foot distance from where I sit).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294100</id>
	<title>In Unrelated News...</title>
	<author>Afforess</author>
	<datestamp>1267200000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft has a new report showing MS-DOS booting in less than 1/2 a second with an average laptop...<br> <br>Apple has released a similar report showing Mac OS Classic booting in 3/4 a second, but with a cooler shiny logo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft has a new report showing MS-DOS booting in less than 1/2 a second with an average laptop... Apple has released a similar report showing Mac OS Classic booting in 3/4 a second , but with a cooler shiny logo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft has a new report showing MS-DOS booting in less than 1/2 a second with an average laptop... Apple has released a similar report showing Mac OS Classic booting in 3/4 a second, but with a cooler shiny logo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31299992</id>
	<title>Re:Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1267268700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That actually has been done...
<a href="http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/news/605172/asrock-instant-boot-loads-windows-in-four-seconds.html" title="bit-tech.net">http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/news/605172/asrock-instant-boot-loads-windows-in-four-seconds.html</a> [bit-tech.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>That actually has been done.. . http : //www.bit-tech.net/custompc/news/605172/asrock-instant-boot-loads-windows-in-four-seconds.html [ bit-tech.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That actually has been done...
http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/news/605172/asrock-instant-boot-loads-windows-in-four-seconds.html [bit-tech.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294376</id>
	<title>Ok... I'll take it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267202820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, so that is interesting, but only just... This isnt
desktop Linux so Im not sure why you are saying &quot;eat that&quot;. </p><p>The OS is DMAed directly into system memory. Ok, thats kind of
spiffy. That means its been &quot;pre-loaded&quot; which is already located.
</p><p>Let me put this in perspective. Back in the mid 90s I worked at AMD.
On the
<a href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50\_2330\_8634,00.html" title="amd.com">
&#201;lanSC520</a> [amd.com] system on a chip (133mhz 486 class):</p><ul>
	<li>Booting of Windows CE, QNX, Psos, VXworks and other real time operating
	systems to a running state (like these guys) was measured in 100s of
	milliseconds.</li><li>Even better, the SC520 supported Execute in Place (XIP) - FLASH was
	directly conntected and had a controlerl off the CPUs cache - it was fast.
	This let the OS and applicatoins run right out of flash from reset - no &quot;booting&quot; at all.
	Systems could easily initialize in 10s of MS and be fully running - with
	graphics in a few 100ms. This included a running network stack. Pretty spiffy for the old school.</li><li>There was a company that was doing this with an early version of Linux
	back then too. Their company name started with an R - but I cannot
	remember the rest. I think someone bought them.  This was fast too.</li></ul><p>So, this really isnt that spectacular - cool yes, ground breaking no.</p><p>-<i>Foredecker</i> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so that is interesting , but only just... This isnt desktop Linux so Im not sure why you are saying " eat that " .
The OS is DMAed directly into system memory .
Ok , thats kind of spiffy .
That means its been " pre-loaded " which is already located .
Let me put this in perspective .
Back in the mid 90s I worked at AMD .
On the   lanSC520 [ amd.com ] system on a chip ( 133mhz 486 class ) : Booting of Windows CE , QNX , Psos , VXworks and other real time operating systems to a running state ( like these guys ) was measured in 100s of milliseconds.Even better , the SC520 supported Execute in Place ( XIP ) - FLASH was directly conntected and had a controlerl off the CPUs cache - it was fast .
This let the OS and applicatoins run right out of flash from reset - no " booting " at all .
Systems could easily initialize in 10s of MS and be fully running - with graphics in a few 100ms .
This included a running network stack .
Pretty spiffy for the old school.There was a company that was doing this with an early version of Linux back then too .
Their company name started with an R - but I can not remember the rest .
I think someone bought them .
This was fast too.So , this really isnt that spectacular - cool yes , ground breaking no.-Foredecker</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so that is interesting, but only just... This isnt
desktop Linux so Im not sure why you are saying "eat that".
The OS is DMAed directly into system memory.
Ok, thats kind of
spiffy.
That means its been "pre-loaded" which is already located.
Let me put this in perspective.
Back in the mid 90s I worked at AMD.
On the

ÉlanSC520 [amd.com] system on a chip (133mhz 486 class):
	Booting of Windows CE, QNX, Psos, VXworks and other real time operating
	systems to a running state (like these guys) was measured in 100s of
	milliseconds.Even better, the SC520 supported Execute in Place (XIP) - FLASH was
	directly conntected and had a controlerl off the CPUs cache - it was fast.
This let the OS and applicatoins run right out of flash from reset - no "booting" at all.
Systems could easily initialize in 10s of MS and be fully running - with
	graphics in a few 100ms.
This included a running network stack.
Pretty spiffy for the old school.There was a company that was doing this with an early version of Linux
	back then too.
Their company name started with an R - but I cannot
	remember the rest.
I think someone bought them.
This was fast too.So, this really isnt that spectacular - cool yes, ground breaking no.-Foredecker </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31315548</id>
	<title>WinCE boots instantly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267457160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the big deal?  Is it because someone made a video, and NOW you can understand?</p><p>I've been using a couple of WinCE portables that boot instantly for almost 10 years.<br>They support a version of MS Office, but I use them primarily for browsing, email and Google apps.<br>They were made by Sharp and I got them on sale for $100 each.</p><p>The netbook is NOT a new concept!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the big deal ?
Is it because someone made a video , and NOW you can understand ? I 've been using a couple of WinCE portables that boot instantly for almost 10 years.They support a version of MS Office , but I use them primarily for browsing , email and Google apps.They were made by Sharp and I got them on sale for $ 100 each.The netbook is NOT a new concept !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the big deal?
Is it because someone made a video, and NOW you can understand?I've been using a couple of WinCE portables that boot instantly for almost 10 years.They support a version of MS Office, but I use them primarily for browsing, email and Google apps.They were made by Sharp and I got them on sale for $100 each.The netbook is NOT a new concept!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294502</id>
	<title>Re:Sense?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267204380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Embedded systems, I suspect.<br> <br>

For servers and a fair few desktops, uptime is a virtue. They are rarely or never voluntarily shut down. For that reason, boot time isn't a huge issue(particuarly for servers, you are probably going to spend more time twiddling your thumbs while some RAID card spins up the drives and meditates upon infinity than you are actually booting your OS).<br> <br>

For laptops, suspend(ie. with RAM still live) is almost always the right thing to do(if the ACPI gods are with you and everything is likely to come out of suspend cleanly) because laptops almost always have at least a bit of power available. Only when the system is unplugged and the battery virtually dead do you need to bother hibernating to disk or shutting down. Again, boot time not a huge deal, though likely to be faster than either of the first two cases, because the hardware is more predictable and there are fewer disks to worry about.<br> <br>

Embedded stuff, though, particularly embedded stuff in certain consumer electronics, or in hostile, low-power environments, really needs to be able to wake up fast. When joe user turns on his digicam, he wants it to come up now, and he doesn't want it flattening its batteries keeping an image alive in RAM. When some minimalist sensor node with only a solar cell and a trickle-charged capacitor for company needs to wake up and transmit some data back to the mothership, it needs to spend as little energy as possible on booting, and as much as possible on sensing and transmitting.<br> <br>

Since Montavista is mostly known for embedded stuff, I assume that this is why they care.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Embedded systems , I suspect .
For servers and a fair few desktops , uptime is a virtue .
They are rarely or never voluntarily shut down .
For that reason , boot time is n't a huge issue ( particuarly for servers , you are probably going to spend more time twiddling your thumbs while some RAID card spins up the drives and meditates upon infinity than you are actually booting your OS ) .
For laptops , suspend ( ie .
with RAM still live ) is almost always the right thing to do ( if the ACPI gods are with you and everything is likely to come out of suspend cleanly ) because laptops almost always have at least a bit of power available .
Only when the system is unplugged and the battery virtually dead do you need to bother hibernating to disk or shutting down .
Again , boot time not a huge deal , though likely to be faster than either of the first two cases , because the hardware is more predictable and there are fewer disks to worry about .
Embedded stuff , though , particularly embedded stuff in certain consumer electronics , or in hostile , low-power environments , really needs to be able to wake up fast .
When joe user turns on his digicam , he wants it to come up now , and he does n't want it flattening its batteries keeping an image alive in RAM .
When some minimalist sensor node with only a solar cell and a trickle-charged capacitor for company needs to wake up and transmit some data back to the mothership , it needs to spend as little energy as possible on booting , and as much as possible on sensing and transmitting .
Since Montavista is mostly known for embedded stuff , I assume that this is why they care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Embedded systems, I suspect.
For servers and a fair few desktops, uptime is a virtue.
They are rarely or never voluntarily shut down.
For that reason, boot time isn't a huge issue(particuarly for servers, you are probably going to spend more time twiddling your thumbs while some RAID card spins up the drives and meditates upon infinity than you are actually booting your OS).
For laptops, suspend(ie.
with RAM still live) is almost always the right thing to do(if the ACPI gods are with you and everything is likely to come out of suspend cleanly) because laptops almost always have at least a bit of power available.
Only when the system is unplugged and the battery virtually dead do you need to bother hibernating to disk or shutting down.
Again, boot time not a huge deal, though likely to be faster than either of the first two cases, because the hardware is more predictable and there are fewer disks to worry about.
Embedded stuff, though, particularly embedded stuff in certain consumer electronics, or in hostile, low-power environments, really needs to be able to wake up fast.
When joe user turns on his digicam, he wants it to come up now, and he doesn't want it flattening its batteries keeping an image alive in RAM.
When some minimalist sensor node with only a solar cell and a trickle-charged capacitor for company needs to wake up and transmit some data back to the mothership, it needs to spend as little energy as possible on booting, and as much as possible on sensing and transmitting.
Since Montavista is mostly known for embedded stuff, I assume that this is why they care.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31297074</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading summary</title>
	<author>rsun</author>
	<datestamp>1267290840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And the number of embedded Linux systems with ludicrous boot times that could be improved by something like this is quite high. Think of that BluRay player that takes 90 seconds to open the tray from power off, or your new LCD TV that takes 30 seconds to produce a picture, or your Tivo that takes minutes to be ready to do anything. The vast majority of these devices run embedded linux and getting the boot times down to sub 10 seconds would go a long way to making customers much happier. I know I'd be much happier with consumer electronics if I didn't have to wait so much for things to boot (and sadly, since I've been doing embedded Linux for the last 8 years, I'm probably responsible for some of it...) Yeah, this demo is certainly a contrived example - I'd guess that they've stripped the kernel and u-boot to the bare minimum, loading from parallel flash instead of serial, no arbitrary delays anywhere and init is probably the application they're demoing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And the number of embedded Linux systems with ludicrous boot times that could be improved by something like this is quite high .
Think of that BluRay player that takes 90 seconds to open the tray from power off , or your new LCD TV that takes 30 seconds to produce a picture , or your Tivo that takes minutes to be ready to do anything .
The vast majority of these devices run embedded linux and getting the boot times down to sub 10 seconds would go a long way to making customers much happier .
I know I 'd be much happier with consumer electronics if I did n't have to wait so much for things to boot ( and sadly , since I 've been doing embedded Linux for the last 8 years , I 'm probably responsible for some of it... ) Yeah , this demo is certainly a contrived example - I 'd guess that they 've stripped the kernel and u-boot to the bare minimum , loading from parallel flash instead of serial , no arbitrary delays anywhere and init is probably the application they 're demoing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the number of embedded Linux systems with ludicrous boot times that could be improved by something like this is quite high.
Think of that BluRay player that takes 90 seconds to open the tray from power off, or your new LCD TV that takes 30 seconds to produce a picture, or your Tivo that takes minutes to be ready to do anything.
The vast majority of these devices run embedded linux and getting the boot times down to sub 10 seconds would go a long way to making customers much happier.
I know I'd be much happier with consumer electronics if I didn't have to wait so much for things to boot (and sadly, since I've been doing embedded Linux for the last 8 years, I'm probably responsible for some of it...) Yeah, this demo is certainly a contrived example - I'd guess that they've stripped the kernel and u-boot to the bare minimum, loading from parallel flash instead of serial, no arbitrary delays anywhere and init is probably the application they're demoing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296086</id>
	<title>Re:But</title>
	<author>marcansoft</author>
	<datestamp>1267276200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, but it does run Quake 3 at a very playable framerate (these things have a 3D accelerator in them)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , but it does run Quake 3 at a very playable framerate ( these things have a 3D accelerator in them ) ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, but it does run Quake 3 at a very playable framerate (these things have a 3D accelerator in them) ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294154</id>
	<title>Take that!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eat that Microfags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eat that Microfags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eat that Microfags.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294122</id>
	<title>Re:Link is dead already</title>
	<author>Metasquares</author>
	<datestamp>1267200120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should reboot it between requests.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should reboot it between requests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should reboot it between requests.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296880</id>
	<title>Re:Ok... I'll take it</title>
	<author>JoeMerchant</author>
	<datestamp>1267288560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I could get 8 bit micros going from cold to running state in microseconds - just skip the OS and start doing your useful work directly.  Yeah, you have to do everything by hand and can't leverage much existing code, but it does switch on like a lightbulb.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I could get 8 bit micros going from cold to running state in microseconds - just skip the OS and start doing your useful work directly .
Yeah , you have to do everything by hand and ca n't leverage much existing code , but it does switch on like a lightbulb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I could get 8 bit micros going from cold to running state in microseconds - just skip the OS and start doing your useful work directly.
Yeah, you have to do everything by hand and can't leverage much existing code, but it does switch on like a lightbulb.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296230</id>
	<title>Re:The Register also has the story.</title>
	<author>subsonic</author>
	<datestamp>1267279200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes!  Here's a helpful hint to all you video uploaders: Just show what you wanna show.  Lose the "intro" just cut to the chase.  If you've got a one-second boot of linux, show it, then show it in slow mo or with more info if you really want to.  Youtube is not your grand theater to present your in depth info (well, it could be...)  Just cut to the chase, then follow up.  My wasted time still has some value to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes !
Here 's a helpful hint to all you video uploaders : Just show what you wan na show .
Lose the " intro " just cut to the chase .
If you 've got a one-second boot of linux , show it , then show it in slow mo or with more info if you really want to .
Youtube is not your grand theater to present your in depth info ( well , it could be... ) Just cut to the chase , then follow up .
My wasted time still has some value to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes!
Here's a helpful hint to all you video uploaders: Just show what you wanna show.
Lose the "intro" just cut to the chase.
If you've got a one-second boot of linux, show it, then show it in slow mo or with more info if you really want to.
Youtube is not your grand theater to present your in depth info (well, it could be...)  Just cut to the chase, then follow up.
My wasted time still has some value to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31294262</id>
	<title>Specialized platform...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267201800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An OS optimized for a single platform being loaded uncompressed from ROM (or in this case flash) is nothing special.  Heck, many of the computers of 30 years ago booted up in a second or two for the same reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An OS optimized for a single platform being loaded uncompressed from ROM ( or in this case flash ) is nothing special .
Heck , many of the computers of 30 years ago booted up in a second or two for the same reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An OS optimized for a single platform being loaded uncompressed from ROM (or in this case flash) is nothing special.
Heck, many of the computers of 30 years ago booted up in a second or two for the same reasons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31302626</id>
	<title>WoW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267292100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WoW.... it is cool... damn cool.. mind blowing.<br>now, lets get over it....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WoW.... it is cool... damn cool.. mind blowing.now , lets get over it... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WoW.... it is cool... damn cool.. mind blowing.now, lets get over it....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31295822</id>
	<title>Re:Boot times</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1267269420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should be so lucky. I have a DVD recorder that I use as an OTA TV receiver. Unfortunately it has the same video processor as the Xbox 360. If allowed to stay in standby mode it will overheat behave erratically and randomly lock up. When standby is turned off it takes 30 seconds to boot itself up. This is one of many reasons (it can't play an audio CD without crashing) why that POS is the last Panasonic product I'll ever buy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should be so lucky .
I have a DVD recorder that I use as an OTA TV receiver .
Unfortunately it has the same video processor as the Xbox 360 .
If allowed to stay in standby mode it will overheat behave erratically and randomly lock up .
When standby is turned off it takes 30 seconds to boot itself up .
This is one of many reasons ( it ca n't play an audio CD without crashing ) why that POS is the last Panasonic product I 'll ever buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should be so lucky.
I have a DVD recorder that I use as an OTA TV receiver.
Unfortunately it has the same video processor as the Xbox 360.
If allowed to stay in standby mode it will overheat behave erratically and randomly lock up.
When standby is turned off it takes 30 seconds to boot itself up.
This is one of many reasons (it can't play an audio CD without crashing) why that POS is the last Panasonic product I'll ever buy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_27_0110215.31296992</id>
	<title>Re:Why not do this for desktop OSs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267290060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If you think about it, there's no useful computation that the OS can possibly be doing before it's booted. That's 100\% wasted time."</p><p>If you think about it, if you don't boot at all, no computation will be done. How on earth can you believe that a computer is doing \_nothing\_ while booting?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If you think about it , there 's no useful computation that the OS can possibly be doing before it 's booted .
That 's 100 \ % wasted time .
" If you think about it , if you do n't boot at all , no computation will be done .
How on earth can you believe that a computer is doing \ _nothing \ _ while booting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If you think about it, there's no useful computation that the OS can possibly be doing before it's booted.
That's 100\% wasted time.
"If you think about it, if you don't boot at all, no computation will be done.
How on earth can you believe that a computer is doing \_nothing\_ while booting?</sentencetext>
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