<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_26_0138228</id>
	<title>Virgin Promises 100Mbps Connections To UK Homes</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267210800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>registerShift writes <i>"Virgin said it will roll out <a href="http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20100225/virgin-bringing-100-mbps-uk-homes.htm">100 megabit-per-second broadband connections to homes in the UK</a>. The company said users will experience speeds 'very close' to what's advertised as it plans to deploy cable instead of ADSL used by competitors. 'There is nothing we can't do with our fiber optic cable network, and the upcoming launch of our flagship 100mbps service will give our customers the ultimate broadband experience,' Virgin Media's chief executive officer, Neil Berkett, said. This is just days after the <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359706,00.asp">FCC announced aims of 100Mbps by 2020</a>, and <a href="http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20100216/fcc-to-propose-faster-broadband-speeds.htm">companies panned it as unrealistic</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>registerShift writes " Virgin said it will roll out 100 megabit-per-second broadband connections to homes in the UK .
The company said users will experience speeds 'very close ' to what 's advertised as it plans to deploy cable instead of ADSL used by competitors .
'There is nothing we ca n't do with our fiber optic cable network , and the upcoming launch of our flagship 100mbps service will give our customers the ultimate broadband experience, ' Virgin Media 's chief executive officer , Neil Berkett , said .
This is just days after the FCC announced aims of 100Mbps by 2020 , and companies panned it as unrealistic .
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<sentencetext>registerShift writes "Virgin said it will roll out 100 megabit-per-second broadband connections to homes in the UK.
The company said users will experience speeds 'very close' to what's advertised as it plans to deploy cable instead of ADSL used by competitors.
'There is nothing we can't do with our fiber optic cable network, and the upcoming launch of our flagship 100mbps service will give our customers the ultimate broadband experience,' Virgin Media's chief executive officer, Neil Berkett, said.
This is just days after the FCC announced aims of 100Mbps by 2020, and companies panned it as unrealistic.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283206</id>
	<title>Sounds great</title>
	<author>\_Shad0w\_</author>
	<datestamp>1267184580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When are they actually going to lay fibre to my town then?  I realize 60k people is far too few for them bother with - no cable provider has ever rolled out cable to Maldon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When are they actually going to lay fibre to my town then ?
I realize 60k people is far too few for them bother with - no cable provider has ever rolled out cable to Maldon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When are they actually going to lay fibre to my town then?
I realize 60k people is far too few for them bother with - no cable provider has ever rolled out cable to Maldon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31285386</id>
	<title>Re:Not fibre</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267201680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>BT also has FTTC in some areas already</i><br>I dunno if it's still true but I remember reading that some areas had fiber to the cabinet before ADSL was introduced and this stopped those areas getting ADSL because upgrading shitloads of cabinets was more expensive than upgrading one exchange.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BT also has FTTC in some areas alreadyI dunno if it 's still true but I remember reading that some areas had fiber to the cabinet before ADSL was introduced and this stopped those areas getting ADSL because upgrading shitloads of cabinets was more expensive than upgrading one exchange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BT also has FTTC in some areas alreadyI dunno if it's still true but I remember reading that some areas had fiber to the cabinet before ADSL was introduced and this stopped those areas getting ADSL because upgrading shitloads of cabinets was more expensive than upgrading one exchange.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31286494</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1267206180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My ISP is starting to provide 400/400mbps this summer... Give me a year, and I can't see how anyone would survive with only 100/100mbps</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My ISP is starting to provide 400/400mbps this summer... Give me a year , and I ca n't see how anyone would survive with only 100/100mbps</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My ISP is starting to provide 400/400mbps this summer... Give me a year, and I can't see how anyone would survive with only 100/100mbps</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31284568</id>
	<title>On a side note...</title>
	<author>brackishboy</author>
	<datestamp>1267197360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to be with Virgin broadband, and their customer service was appalling. I needed to disconnect my service as I was moving, and they made it so needlessly difficult that in the end I just severed all contact with them and let them figure out my disconnection for themselves- I certainly wasn't flushing any more cash down their drain.</p><p>I suspect they're called Virgin because they don't give a fuck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to be with Virgin broadband , and their customer service was appalling .
I needed to disconnect my service as I was moving , and they made it so needlessly difficult that in the end I just severed all contact with them and let them figure out my disconnection for themselves- I certainly was n't flushing any more cash down their drain.I suspect they 're called Virgin because they do n't give a fuck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to be with Virgin broadband, and their customer service was appalling.
I needed to disconnect my service as I was moving, and they made it so needlessly difficult that in the end I just severed all contact with them and let them figure out my disconnection for themselves- I certainly wasn't flushing any more cash down their drain.I suspect they're called Virgin because they don't give a fuck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283868</id>
	<title>Hate to be a party pooper...</title>
	<author>Exanon</author>
	<datestamp>1267193040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...but this whole thing about "unrealistic" and yada-yada is very foreign to someone who has grown up in Sweden. I have had a 100/100 Mbit/s unmetered connection for the last 3 years. It costs me about 45-50 USD / month. <br>This is not uncommon, rather it's the rule. It's also quite rare to see services below 10 Mbit/s unless you are in a rural area.

<br> <br>The reason you don't see 100 Mbit conenctions in the US is because the big telcos are not feeling the heat, they are lazy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...but this whole thing about " unrealistic " and yada-yada is very foreign to someone who has grown up in Sweden .
I have had a 100/100 Mbit/s unmetered connection for the last 3 years .
It costs me about 45-50 USD / month .
This is not uncommon , rather it 's the rule .
It 's also quite rare to see services below 10 Mbit/s unless you are in a rural area .
The reason you do n't see 100 Mbit conenctions in the US is because the big telcos are not feeling the heat , they are lazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but this whole thing about "unrealistic" and yada-yada is very foreign to someone who has grown up in Sweden.
I have had a 100/100 Mbit/s unmetered connection for the last 3 years.
It costs me about 45-50 USD / month.
This is not uncommon, rather it's the rule.
It's also quite rare to see services below 10 Mbit/s unless you are in a rural area.
The reason you don't see 100 Mbit conenctions in the US is because the big telcos are not feeling the heat, they are lazy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31296734</id>
	<title>Re:Not fibre</title>
	<author>neokushan</author>
	<datestamp>1267286940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're not the only one, apparently all the other ISPs in the area brought up the same issue with the ASA and were all told that Virgin is allowed.</p><p><a href="http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3391-asa-rules-on-virgin-fibre-optic-broadband-claims.html" title="thinkbroadband.com">http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3391-asa-rules-on-virgin-fibre-optic-broadband-claims.html</a> [thinkbroadband.com]</p><p>I guess this means I can get a 3cm wire of fibre, selotape it to an ethernet cable and have a "hybrid-fibre network" in my own home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not the only one , apparently all the other ISPs in the area brought up the same issue with the ASA and were all told that Virgin is allowed.http : //www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3391-asa-rules-on-virgin-fibre-optic-broadband-claims.html [ thinkbroadband.com ] I guess this means I can get a 3cm wire of fibre , selotape it to an ethernet cable and have a " hybrid-fibre network " in my own home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not the only one, apparently all the other ISPs in the area brought up the same issue with the ASA and were all told that Virgin is allowed.http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3391-asa-rules-on-virgin-fibre-optic-broadband-claims.html [thinkbroadband.com]I guess this means I can get a 3cm wire of fibre, selotape it to an ethernet cable and have a "hybrid-fibre network" in my own home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31285552</id>
	<title>population density</title>
	<author>buddyglass</author>
	<datestamp>1267202580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's why Japan gets all the cool phones.  Its also why average U.S. broadband speeds will likely never match those in places like South Korea and Japan.  And, to a lesser extent, the U.K.  It's not that its impossible; it's just way more expensive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's why Japan gets all the cool phones .
Its also why average U.S. broadband speeds will likely never match those in places like South Korea and Japan .
And , to a lesser extent , the U.K. It 's not that its impossible ; it 's just way more expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's why Japan gets all the cool phones.
Its also why average U.S. broadband speeds will likely never match those in places like South Korea and Japan.
And, to a lesser extent, the U.K.  It's not that its impossible; it's just way more expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283676</id>
	<title>DPI was the last straw for me</title>
	<author>vosester</author>
	<datestamp>1267190940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lived in a VM cable area for two years now, I was perfectly happy with Virgin until the DPI rollout. To be fair at least they told us about it unlike BT. I have always got the speed I was promised, if you could find a server fast enough to fill the line. And as far as caps go, they where also clear about it and even upgrade the cap or turn it off when possible.</p><p>But DPI was the last straw for me. Most of the other things where technical problems to do with networking, DPI is not, It is spying for the sake of greed and puts the cost on to us customers, who don&rsquo;t need it for any reason.</p><p>So when I went to cancel my service, I was told that I would have to finish my contract with them or pay off the rest of the contract!!!. After a few emails and calls I gave up, only had three months left. I still think it is outrages that they will not let me go, since they are the ones that broke the contract with me.</p><p>Now I am off, back to ADSL land. At least I can switch providers if they start using DPI.</p><p>Been looking at some of the LLU in my area. It looks like it might be better to stick with the devil I know.</p><p>I like the look of these guy&rsquo;s <a href="http://www.aaisp.net.uk/" title="aaisp.net.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.aaisp.net.uk/</a> [aaisp.net.uk].<br>But with my usage it would cost a fortune.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lived in a VM cable area for two years now , I was perfectly happy with Virgin until the DPI rollout .
To be fair at least they told us about it unlike BT .
I have always got the speed I was promised , if you could find a server fast enough to fill the line .
And as far as caps go , they where also clear about it and even upgrade the cap or turn it off when possible.But DPI was the last straw for me .
Most of the other things where technical problems to do with networking , DPI is not , It is spying for the sake of greed and puts the cost on to us customers , who don    t need it for any reason.So when I went to cancel my service , I was told that I would have to finish my contract with them or pay off the rest of the contract ! ! ! .
After a few emails and calls I gave up , only had three months left .
I still think it is outrages that they will not let me go , since they are the ones that broke the contract with me.Now I am off , back to ADSL land .
At least I can switch providers if they start using DPI.Been looking at some of the LLU in my area .
It looks like it might be better to stick with the devil I know.I like the look of these guy    s http : //www.aaisp.net.uk/ [ aaisp.net.uk ] .But with my usage it would cost a fortune .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lived in a VM cable area for two years now, I was perfectly happy with Virgin until the DPI rollout.
To be fair at least they told us about it unlike BT.
I have always got the speed I was promised, if you could find a server fast enough to fill the line.
And as far as caps go, they where also clear about it and even upgrade the cap or turn it off when possible.But DPI was the last straw for me.
Most of the other things where technical problems to do with networking, DPI is not, It is spying for the sake of greed and puts the cost on to us customers, who don’t need it for any reason.So when I went to cancel my service, I was told that I would have to finish my contract with them or pay off the rest of the contract!!!.
After a few emails and calls I gave up, only had three months left.
I still think it is outrages that they will not let me go, since they are the ones that broke the contract with me.Now I am off, back to ADSL land.
At least I can switch providers if they start using DPI.Been looking at some of the LLU in my area.
It looks like it might be better to stick with the devil I know.I like the look of these guy’s http://www.aaisp.net.uk/ [aaisp.net.uk].But with my usage it would cost a fortune.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31285164</id>
	<title>Virgin are scum</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All virgin companies are scum.  They promise everything.  They deliver nothing.  They snoop on your traffic.  Total scum.</p><p>If it was a choice between Virgin and nothing I'd do without internet altogether.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All virgin companies are scum .
They promise everything .
They deliver nothing .
They snoop on your traffic .
Total scum.If it was a choice between Virgin and nothing I 'd do without internet altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All virgin companies are scum.
They promise everything.
They deliver nothing.
They snoop on your traffic.
Total scum.If it was a choice between Virgin and nothing I'd do without internet altogether.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282954</id>
	<title>Re:Try getting my 20Mbit to run at speed first!</title>
	<author>Bad Ad</author>
	<datestamp>1267181040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>you dont get traffic shaping on the 50mb package, only 10 and 20. <br> <br>
<a href="http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html" title="virginmedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html</a> [virginmedia.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>you dont get traffic shaping on the 50mb package , only 10 and 20 . http : //allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html [ virginmedia.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you dont get traffic shaping on the 50mb package, only 10 and 20.  
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html [virginmedia.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283382</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1267186980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can't see why a domestic user needs that speed. I've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me.

Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content?</p></div><p>And 640kb of RAM ought to be enough for everybody. </p><p>
 The fact that you can't see past tomorrow, doesn't mean other can't. </p><p>

The next big thing will be 3D Movies and games.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't see why a domestic user needs that speed .
I 've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me .
Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content ? And 640kb of RAM ought to be enough for everybody .
The fact that you ca n't see past tomorrow , does n't mean other ca n't .
The next big thing will be 3D Movies and games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't see why a domestic user needs that speed.
I've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me.
Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content?And 640kb of RAM ought to be enough for everybody.
The fact that you can't see past tomorrow, doesn't mean other can't.
The next big thing will be 3D Movies and games.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282432</id>
	<title>Re:Not fibre</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267217520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that this is a bit misleading. Virgin isn't alone in doing this - it seems to be a common thing for FTTN (fibre to the node) networks everywhere. In my city (Canberra, Australia), there is a company called TransACT (http://www.transact.com.au) that has an extensive network which they also like to advertise as being fibre. But it's only fibre to each distribution box (each servicing 50-100 homes), then a short copper link which they run to the premises. They run VDSL at 52 Mbps over the copper, delivering IPTV, phone and Internet access. So like the Virgin proposal, it's only fibre to the node, not to the home. Some areas are being upgraded to VDSL2 which brings speeds up towards 100 Mbps.</p><p>Not to say that's a bad thing - the short copper runs mean you are guaranteed the advertised speed (unlike ADSL2+, on which you get 'as fast as your line will allow', which can be pretty bad if your copper line is more than 3 or 4 km long). But to contrast their 'fibre' network to 'crappy old DSL' is plainly wrong (especially considering they even use an xDSL technology for the last mile!).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that this is a bit misleading .
Virgin is n't alone in doing this - it seems to be a common thing for FTTN ( fibre to the node ) networks everywhere .
In my city ( Canberra , Australia ) , there is a company called TransACT ( http : //www.transact.com.au ) that has an extensive network which they also like to advertise as being fibre .
But it 's only fibre to each distribution box ( each servicing 50-100 homes ) , then a short copper link which they run to the premises .
They run VDSL at 52 Mbps over the copper , delivering IPTV , phone and Internet access .
So like the Virgin proposal , it 's only fibre to the node , not to the home .
Some areas are being upgraded to VDSL2 which brings speeds up towards 100 Mbps.Not to say that 's a bad thing - the short copper runs mean you are guaranteed the advertised speed ( unlike ADSL2 + , on which you get 'as fast as your line will allow ' , which can be pretty bad if your copper line is more than 3 or 4 km long ) .
But to contrast their 'fibre ' network to 'crappy old DSL ' is plainly wrong ( especially considering they even use an xDSL technology for the last mile !
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that this is a bit misleading.
Virgin isn't alone in doing this - it seems to be a common thing for FTTN (fibre to the node) networks everywhere.
In my city (Canberra, Australia), there is a company called TransACT (http://www.transact.com.au) that has an extensive network which they also like to advertise as being fibre.
But it's only fibre to each distribution box (each servicing 50-100 homes), then a short copper link which they run to the premises.
They run VDSL at 52 Mbps over the copper, delivering IPTV, phone and Internet access.
So like the Virgin proposal, it's only fibre to the node, not to the home.
Some areas are being upgraded to VDSL2 which brings speeds up towards 100 Mbps.Not to say that's a bad thing - the short copper runs mean you are guaranteed the advertised speed (unlike ADSL2+, on which you get 'as fast as your line will allow', which can be pretty bad if your copper line is more than 3 or 4 km long).
But to contrast their 'fibre' network to 'crappy old DSL' is plainly wrong (especially considering they even use an xDSL technology for the last mile!
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283004</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1267181760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering all the HD videos people are uploading, your best example for wanting fiber is to upload photos?
<br> <br>
honestly my measly 1mbps up is fine, I'm more concerned with wireless.  iPhone is one of the few phones that upload videos wirelessly, but to save the 3g network it first compresses the crap out of the video, and even then it takes several minutes to upload just 1 minute of highly compressed standard definition video.  We really need better wireless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering all the HD videos people are uploading , your best example for wanting fiber is to upload photos ?
honestly my measly 1mbps up is fine , I 'm more concerned with wireless .
iPhone is one of the few phones that upload videos wirelessly , but to save the 3g network it first compresses the crap out of the video , and even then it takes several minutes to upload just 1 minute of highly compressed standard definition video .
We really need better wireless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering all the HD videos people are uploading, your best example for wanting fiber is to upload photos?
honestly my measly 1mbps up is fine, I'm more concerned with wireless.
iPhone is one of the few phones that upload videos wirelessly, but to save the 3g network it first compresses the crap out of the video, and even then it takes several minutes to upload just 1 minute of highly compressed standard definition video.
We really need better wireless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282240</id>
	<title>Unrealistic?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267214640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course it's unrealistic in America! That would require buying up all that dark fiber first of all (to make sure the backbone network can handle the increased speeds) and rolling out expensive FO cable to people who might not want to pay for it in the first place (personally, if my ISP rolled out Fiber-to-the-house I'd be buying a SCSI box and getting all the 1TB+ drives I could installed just so I could try and download everything I came across).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it 's unrealistic in America !
That would require buying up all that dark fiber first of all ( to make sure the backbone network can handle the increased speeds ) and rolling out expensive FO cable to people who might not want to pay for it in the first place ( personally , if my ISP rolled out Fiber-to-the-house I 'd be buying a SCSI box and getting all the 1TB + drives I could installed just so I could try and download everything I came across ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it's unrealistic in America!
That would require buying up all that dark fiber first of all (to make sure the backbone network can handle the increased speeds) and rolling out expensive FO cable to people who might not want to pay for it in the first place (personally, if my ISP rolled out Fiber-to-the-house I'd be buying a SCSI box and getting all the 1TB+ drives I could installed just so I could try and download everything I came across).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31286390</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267205820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>throttling policy - it will be available between the hours of 03.00 and 03.01 assumming you havent used more than 5 bytes in the previous 24 hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>throttling policy - it will be available between the hours of 03.00 and 03.01 assumming you havent used more than 5 bytes in the previous 24 hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>throttling policy - it will be available between the hours of 03.00 and 03.01 assumming you havent used more than 5 bytes in the previous 24 hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282312</id>
	<title>Yes but....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267215540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...what is she going to <i>charge</i>?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...what is she going to charge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...what is she going to charge?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282254</id>
	<title>100MB?</title>
	<author>NCG\_Mike</author>
	<datestamp>1267214820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't see why a domestic user needs that speed. I've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me.

Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't see why a domestic user needs that speed .
I 've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me .
Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't see why a domestic user needs that speed.
I've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me.
Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282986</id>
	<title>C'mon guys this is Virgin your're talking about</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1267181460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The stated speed of 100MB/s will only work as long you don't actually use it that often. If you use Bittorrent and/or Youtube/iPlayer too much Virgin will trottle down your connection (they do it alreay with their current 40MB/s fibre offer.</p><p>Oh, and by the way, your connection will be silently censored.</p><p>And let's not forget that Virgin is also a media company: if you, your kids, the neighbour (that managed to hack into your Wireless connection because you used no or easy encryption) or anybody else actually downloads music-tracks/videos/games/apps from some fishy place or other through your connection, expect a call from the appropriate industry's lawyers.</p><p>Last but not least, most Virgin companies have incredibly bad costumer service: even when their products are good, you can't trust them not to overcharge you, auto-renew your contracts against your wishes and/or other fishy practices. Usually they include incredible clausules in their contract designed to make it impossible for you to leave (good luck remembering to cancel your contract at a very specific couple of days in the year before they auto-renew).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The stated speed of 100MB/s will only work as long you do n't actually use it that often .
If you use Bittorrent and/or Youtube/iPlayer too much Virgin will trottle down your connection ( they do it alreay with their current 40MB/s fibre offer.Oh , and by the way , your connection will be silently censored.And let 's not forget that Virgin is also a media company : if you , your kids , the neighbour ( that managed to hack into your Wireless connection because you used no or easy encryption ) or anybody else actually downloads music-tracks/videos/games/apps from some fishy place or other through your connection , expect a call from the appropriate industry 's lawyers.Last but not least , most Virgin companies have incredibly bad costumer service : even when their products are good , you ca n't trust them not to overcharge you , auto-renew your contracts against your wishes and/or other fishy practices .
Usually they include incredible clausules in their contract designed to make it impossible for you to leave ( good luck remembering to cancel your contract at a very specific couple of days in the year before they auto-renew ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The stated speed of 100MB/s will only work as long you don't actually use it that often.
If you use Bittorrent and/or Youtube/iPlayer too much Virgin will trottle down your connection (they do it alreay with their current 40MB/s fibre offer.Oh, and by the way, your connection will be silently censored.And let's not forget that Virgin is also a media company: if you, your kids, the neighbour (that managed to hack into your Wireless connection because you used no or easy encryption) or anybody else actually downloads music-tracks/videos/games/apps from some fishy place or other through your connection, expect a call from the appropriate industry's lawyers.Last but not least, most Virgin companies have incredibly bad costumer service: even when their products are good, you can't trust them not to overcharge you, auto-renew your contracts against your wishes and/or other fishy practices.
Usually they include incredible clausules in their contract designed to make it impossible for you to leave (good luck remembering to cancel your contract at a very specific couple of days in the year before they auto-renew).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282424</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>djdevon3</author>
	<datestamp>1267217400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"20MB is plenty for me"...  NOOB.  You obviously aren't an advanced user and as such I'm insulted you even post here.  By the way that's 20Mb (Megabits) not Megabytes...  Google Megabits Conversion and you'll find a nifty tool to help you sound smarter next time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" 20MB is plenty for me " ... NOOB. You obviously are n't an advanced user and as such I 'm insulted you even post here .
By the way that 's 20Mb ( Megabits ) not Megabytes... Google Megabits Conversion and you 'll find a nifty tool to help you sound smarter next time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"20MB is plenty for me"...  NOOB.  You obviously aren't an advanced user and as such I'm insulted you even post here.
By the way that's 20Mb (Megabits) not Megabytes...  Google Megabits Conversion and you'll find a nifty tool to help you sound smarter next time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282254</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31284764</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1267198320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's likely YouTube's fault, not yours. I have a 6Mbit connection and my friend has a 20Mbit connection, we're on different providers, and it tends to take almost the same amount of time to download a video. Even SD videos can take a while to buffer. We've had TV show files finish faster than a short YouTube video download, sometimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's likely YouTube 's fault , not yours .
I have a 6Mbit connection and my friend has a 20Mbit connection , we 're on different providers , and it tends to take almost the same amount of time to download a video .
Even SD videos can take a while to buffer .
We 've had TV show files finish faster than a short YouTube video download , sometimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's likely YouTube's fault, not yours.
I have a 6Mbit connection and my friend has a 20Mbit connection, we're on different providers, and it tends to take almost the same amount of time to download a video.
Even SD videos can take a while to buffer.
We've had TV show files finish faster than a short YouTube video download, sometimes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282452</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283224</id>
	<title>Old news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267184700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, I've got 50Mbit/s cable here in Austria, the provider offers 100Mbit/s too (but the package deal sweet spot is 50Mbit), I guess I'll have 100Mbit a little bit earlier than 2020.</p><p>The biggest issue is the missing competition in this area, as ADSL (not VDSL) can really compete with cable economically.</p><p>And the biggest issue is the situation in the countryside, where many people have slower downstream than my own upstream,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , I 've got 50Mbit/s cable here in Austria , the provider offers 100Mbit/s too ( but the package deal sweet spot is 50Mbit ) , I guess I 'll have 100Mbit a little bit earlier than 2020.The biggest issue is the missing competition in this area , as ADSL ( not VDSL ) can really compete with cable economically.And the biggest issue is the situation in the countryside , where many people have slower downstream than my own upstream , .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, I've got 50Mbit/s cable here in Austria, the provider offers 100Mbit/s too (but the package deal sweet spot is 50Mbit), I guess I'll have 100Mbit a little bit earlier than 2020.The biggest issue is the missing competition in this area, as ADSL (not VDSL) can really compete with cable economically.And the biggest issue is the situation in the countryside, where many people have slower downstream than my own upstream, ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282674</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Malc</author>
	<datestamp>1267177680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it changes the way you use the internet.  In fact I'm quite happy getting 6mbs down at the moment.  What I'm unhappy about is is the 448kbs upstream.  It's pathetic, and BT will not do a thing about it.  Even full speed residential ADSL2+ is slow upstream, and this is a much bigger problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it changes the way you use the internet .
In fact I 'm quite happy getting 6mbs down at the moment .
What I 'm unhappy about is is the 448kbs upstream .
It 's pathetic , and BT will not do a thing about it .
Even full speed residential ADSL2 + is slow upstream , and this is a much bigger problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it changes the way you use the internet.
In fact I'm quite happy getting 6mbs down at the moment.
What I'm unhappy about is is the 448kbs upstream.
It's pathetic, and BT will not do a thing about it.
Even full speed residential ADSL2+ is slow upstream, and this is a much bigger problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282254</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31289356</id>
	<title>Re:Cable is crap</title>
	<author>vosester</author>
	<datestamp>1267215960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At least with my 1.5Mbps ADSL, I can actually GET 1.5Mbps even in peak time.</p></div><p>RAOTFLOL</p><p>ADSL is also a shared connection. I have cable and push 50Mb easy.</p><p>Your are mixing up the last mile and the backhaul.</p><p>In the U.K for BT it is ADSL/ATM. which is crap. That's the reason why they are rolling out 21CN</p><p>It is difficult to get copper at those speeds virgin have and then you have the distance problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least with my 1.5Mbps ADSL , I can actually GET 1.5Mbps even in peak time.RAOTFLOLADSL is also a shared connection .
I have cable and push 50Mb easy.Your are mixing up the last mile and the backhaul.In the U.K for BT it is ADSL/ATM .
which is crap .
That 's the reason why they are rolling out 21CNIt is difficult to get copper at those speeds virgin have and then you have the distance problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least with my 1.5Mbps ADSL, I can actually GET 1.5Mbps even in peak time.RAOTFLOLADSL is also a shared connection.
I have cable and push 50Mb easy.Your are mixing up the last mile and the backhaul.In the U.K for BT it is ADSL/ATM.
which is crap.
That's the reason why they are rolling out 21CNIt is difficult to get copper at those speeds virgin have and then you have the distance problem.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283864</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282686</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267177800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>compressed</i></p><p>You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.  When most people talk about "uncompressed" 1080p video, they mean 19.4mbit/sec mpeg-2 video that is used in over the air broadcast TV.  Not sure how much bandwidth would be needed for uncompressed 1080p at any framerate, but it'd be a lot.  Even Bluray uses mpeg2 compression.  Also, youtube buffers a lot on my 18mbit connection.  It's just because youtube is slow, is all.  Fast download speeds don't help if the servers you're downloading from aren't up to par.  Still, I'd be first in line to sign up for a 100mbit service if the price was right, if only for the geek points for having it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D  (Unfortunately, the way ISPs seem to work, it'd still come with only 2mbit upload or something stupid like that).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>compressedYou keep using that word .
I do not think it means what you think it means .
When most people talk about " uncompressed " 1080p video , they mean 19.4mbit/sec mpeg-2 video that is used in over the air broadcast TV .
Not sure how much bandwidth would be needed for uncompressed 1080p at any framerate , but it 'd be a lot .
Even Bluray uses mpeg2 compression .
Also , youtube buffers a lot on my 18mbit connection .
It 's just because youtube is slow , is all .
Fast download speeds do n't help if the servers you 're downloading from are n't up to par .
Still , I 'd be first in line to sign up for a 100mbit service if the price was right , if only for the geek points for having it .
: D ( Unfortunately , the way ISPs seem to work , it 'd still come with only 2mbit upload or something stupid like that ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>compressedYou keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
When most people talk about "uncompressed" 1080p video, they mean 19.4mbit/sec mpeg-2 video that is used in over the air broadcast TV.
Not sure how much bandwidth would be needed for uncompressed 1080p at any framerate, but it'd be a lot.
Even Bluray uses mpeg2 compression.
Also, youtube buffers a lot on my 18mbit connection.
It's just because youtube is slow, is all.
Fast download speeds don't help if the servers you're downloading from aren't up to par.
Still, I'd be first in line to sign up for a 100mbit service if the price was right, if only for the geek points for having it.
:D  (Unfortunately, the way ISPs seem to work, it'd still come with only 2mbit upload or something stupid like that).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282452</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283258</id>
	<title>France...</title>
	<author>pierreact</author>
	<datestamp>1267185060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a while we got this in france...
at least something good here...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a while we got this in france.. . at least something good here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a while we got this in france...
at least something good here...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283394</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1267187100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>20/20 Mb line here for 26E a month. ^^</htmltext>
<tokenext>20/20 Mb line here for 26E a month .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>20/20 Mb line here for 26E a month.
^^</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282358</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267216080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, does that mean that when Mr. Islamist Terrorist martyrs himself, he gets a (72 virgins x 100Mbps) = 7.2Gbps connection thrown into the bargain?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does that mean that when Mr. Islamist Terrorist martyrs himself , he gets a ( 72 virgins x 100Mbps ) = 7.2Gbps connection thrown into the bargain ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does that mean that when Mr. Islamist Terrorist martyrs himself, he gets a (72 virgins x 100Mbps) = 7.2Gbps connection thrown into the bargain?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282820</id>
	<title>They deliver on speeds, however...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267179180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...the line quality is often shit. I was one of many that got duped by Virgin on this matter. Yes we pay atrocious amounts for 20mb (something that, in my home country of Norway, is a pretty basic speed) and yes we do get between 19 and 15 most of the day. The problem is we have pings of 300+ms (often 1000+) jitter of the same values, and anywhere between 5\% to 50\% packet loss (yes...50\%...).</p><p>On top of this the upload speeds are terrible, and when asked about this they simply say "we don't support upload"....whatever that means.</p><p>So what does this mean for the average user? Well, if you like online gaming you can forget it. Unless you stay up until 3 in teh morning, most games are unplayable. The same goes for VoIP, and anything that requires a constant, consistent connection.<br>So "the country's best internet package" gets you abused by most of the rest of the world, when trying to play online games. Take my advice, don't use Virgin. Better yet, don't live in the UK (if you value good internet).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the line quality is often shit .
I was one of many that got duped by Virgin on this matter .
Yes we pay atrocious amounts for 20mb ( something that , in my home country of Norway , is a pretty basic speed ) and yes we do get between 19 and 15 most of the day .
The problem is we have pings of 300 + ms ( often 1000 + ) jitter of the same values , and anywhere between 5 \ % to 50 \ % packet loss ( yes...50 \ % ... ) .On top of this the upload speeds are terrible , and when asked about this they simply say " we do n't support upload " ....whatever that means.So what does this mean for the average user ?
Well , if you like online gaming you can forget it .
Unless you stay up until 3 in teh morning , most games are unplayable .
The same goes for VoIP , and anything that requires a constant , consistent connection.So " the country 's best internet package " gets you abused by most of the rest of the world , when trying to play online games .
Take my advice , do n't use Virgin .
Better yet , do n't live in the UK ( if you value good internet ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the line quality is often shit.
I was one of many that got duped by Virgin on this matter.
Yes we pay atrocious amounts for 20mb (something that, in my home country of Norway, is a pretty basic speed) and yes we do get between 19 and 15 most of the day.
The problem is we have pings of 300+ms (often 1000+) jitter of the same values, and anywhere between 5\% to 50\% packet loss (yes...50\%...).On top of this the upload speeds are terrible, and when asked about this they simply say "we don't support upload"....whatever that means.So what does this mean for the average user?
Well, if you like online gaming you can forget it.
Unless you stay up until 3 in teh morning, most games are unplayable.
The same goes for VoIP, and anything that requires a constant, consistent connection.So "the country's best internet package" gets you abused by most of the rest of the world, when trying to play online games.
Take my advice, don't use Virgin.
Better yet, don't live in the UK (if you value good internet).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283888</id>
	<title>Also promises packet monitoring</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267193220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Virgin media don't like file sharers. They'll give you a big fat pipe to download their paid for content, but monitor the packets to catch you sharing the stolen content.</p><p>Try file sharing on one of their lines and watch your upload and download speeds fade away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Virgin media do n't like file sharers .
They 'll give you a big fat pipe to download their paid for content , but monitor the packets to catch you sharing the stolen content.Try file sharing on one of their lines and watch your upload and download speeds fade away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virgin media don't like file sharers.
They'll give you a big fat pipe to download their paid for content, but monitor the packets to catch you sharing the stolen content.Try file sharing on one of their lines and watch your upload and download speeds fade away.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282348</id>
	<title>Hmph</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267215960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I can certainly see why they're still a Virgin if they're capable of providing those kind of speeds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I can certainly see why they 're still a Virgin if they 're capable of providing those kind of speeds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I can certainly see why they're still a Virgin if they're capable of providing those kind of speeds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31300770</id>
	<title>What's being a virgin have to do with the promise?</title>
	<author>ffreeloader</author>
	<datestamp>1267276200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just want to know how we can be sure the person making the promise is a virgin, and why that person's virginity is relevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just want to know how we can be sure the person making the promise is a virgin , and why that person 's virginity is relevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just want to know how we can be sure the person making the promise is a virgin, and why that person's virginity is relevant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283864</id>
	<title>Cable is crap</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1267193040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cable is crap and will always be crap due to the way that its shared bandwidth.</p><p>At least with my 1.5Mbps ADSL, I can actually GET 1.5Mbps even in peak time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cable is crap and will always be crap due to the way that its shared bandwidth.At least with my 1.5Mbps ADSL , I can actually GET 1.5Mbps even in peak time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cable is crap and will always be crap due to the way that its shared bandwidth.At least with my 1.5Mbps ADSL, I can actually GET 1.5Mbps even in peak time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31284990</id>
	<title>Re:Not fibre</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267199700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need fiber for the last few hundred meters. 100Mbps is 100Mbps whether fiber or copper. The whole reason for fiber is signal degradation due to impedance caused by length of the wire. If the copper run is shorter than max to get the target bandwidth, then you don't get any signal degradation. However to make the run over kilometers from the NOC to the box in the neighborhood, fiber is necessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need fiber for the last few hundred meters .
100Mbps is 100Mbps whether fiber or copper .
The whole reason for fiber is signal degradation due to impedance caused by length of the wire .
If the copper run is shorter than max to get the target bandwidth , then you do n't get any signal degradation .
However to make the run over kilometers from the NOC to the box in the neighborhood , fiber is necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need fiber for the last few hundred meters.
100Mbps is 100Mbps whether fiber or copper.
The whole reason for fiber is signal degradation due to impedance caused by length of the wire.
If the copper run is shorter than max to get the target bandwidth, then you don't get any signal degradation.
However to make the run over kilometers from the NOC to the box in the neighborhood, fiber is necessary.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282432</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283268</id>
	<title>nothing we can't do?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267185180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PR says:<br>"There is nothing we can't do with our fibre optic cable network, and the upcoming launch of our flagship 100mbps service will give our customers the ultimate broadband experience".</p><p>The web site says:<br>"You're not in a fibre optic area, but can still get our brilliant broadband down your phone line."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PR says : " There is nothing we ca n't do with our fibre optic cable network , and the upcoming launch of our flagship 100mbps service will give our customers the ultimate broadband experience " .The web site says : " You 're not in a fibre optic area , but can still get our brilliant broadband down your phone line .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PR says:"There is nothing we can't do with our fibre optic cable network, and the upcoming launch of our flagship 100mbps service will give our customers the ultimate broadband experience".The web site says:"You're not in a fibre optic area, but can still get our brilliant broadband down your phone line.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282328</id>
	<title>Not fibre</title>
	<author>tomtomtom</author>
	<datestamp>1267215780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It really, really, *really* irks me that Virgin's advertising constantly goes on about it being "fibre optic" where ADSL is copper.</p><p>Fact is, Virgin is NOT fibre optic in the sense that their advertising implies - at best and in some areas only, they have fibre to the cabinet. They do not offer fibre to the home anywhere (which ironically BT actually are offering in some new-build areas). BT also has FTTC in some areas already and is rolling this out into more rural areas to improve speeds there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It really , really , * really * irks me that Virgin 's advertising constantly goes on about it being " fibre optic " where ADSL is copper.Fact is , Virgin is NOT fibre optic in the sense that their advertising implies - at best and in some areas only , they have fibre to the cabinet .
They do not offer fibre to the home anywhere ( which ironically BT actually are offering in some new-build areas ) .
BT also has FTTC in some areas already and is rolling this out into more rural areas to improve speeds there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It really, really, *really* irks me that Virgin's advertising constantly goes on about it being "fibre optic" where ADSL is copper.Fact is, Virgin is NOT fibre optic in the sense that their advertising implies - at best and in some areas only, they have fibre to the cabinet.
They do not offer fibre to the home anywhere (which ironically BT actually are offering in some new-build areas).
BT also has FTTC in some areas already and is rolling this out into more rural areas to improve speeds there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282436</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1267217580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>listen here, i can't see why you are wasting money on a whole 20mb. all i need for my BBS connection is my 2400bps modem. i get pages of text (in colour!) in mere minutes! after all it's all anyone should need - do you think you NEED all that HD streaming video, itunes, web applications, email, pictures......</htmltext>
<tokenext>listen here , i ca n't see why you are wasting money on a whole 20mb .
all i need for my BBS connection is my 2400bps modem .
i get pages of text ( in colour !
) in mere minutes !
after all it 's all anyone should need - do you think you NEED all that HD streaming video , itunes , web applications , email , pictures..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>listen here, i can't see why you are wasting money on a whole 20mb.
all i need for my BBS connection is my 2400bps modem.
i get pages of text (in colour!
) in mere minutes!
after all it's all anyone should need - do you think you NEED all that HD streaming video, itunes, web applications, email, pictures......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282462</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267174980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally the reason I'm looking forward to fibre-based networks is not so much the increase in downstream speed (my 24 Mbps ADSL2+ service is great for the moment), but better upstream speed (my 1 Mbps upload rate is becoming increasingly inadequate as the size of data I upload increases, e.g. uploading photos to Flickr which are 6+ MB each).</p><p>ADSL (and to a lesser extent cable) are highly asymmetrical services. You can get symmetrical DSL links (SHDSL for instance), but they tend to have lower aggregate speeds (e.g. 5Mbps/5Mbps) and be very expensive. Fibre gives us the opportunity to have some truly beefy, symmetrical home links, which we'll need as applications become increasingly two-way/interactive.</p><p>Put it this way. I'd rather have a 20/20 Mbps connection than a 100/1 Mbps connection (or even a 1Gbps/1Mbps!). Upload speed is nice!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally the reason I 'm looking forward to fibre-based networks is not so much the increase in downstream speed ( my 24 Mbps ADSL2 + service is great for the moment ) , but better upstream speed ( my 1 Mbps upload rate is becoming increasingly inadequate as the size of data I upload increases , e.g .
uploading photos to Flickr which are 6 + MB each ) .ADSL ( and to a lesser extent cable ) are highly asymmetrical services .
You can get symmetrical DSL links ( SHDSL for instance ) , but they tend to have lower aggregate speeds ( e.g .
5Mbps/5Mbps ) and be very expensive .
Fibre gives us the opportunity to have some truly beefy , symmetrical home links , which we 'll need as applications become increasingly two-way/interactive.Put it this way .
I 'd rather have a 20/20 Mbps connection than a 100/1 Mbps connection ( or even a 1Gbps/1Mbps ! ) .
Upload speed is nice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally the reason I'm looking forward to fibre-based networks is not so much the increase in downstream speed (my 24 Mbps ADSL2+ service is great for the moment), but better upstream speed (my 1 Mbps upload rate is becoming increasingly inadequate as the size of data I upload increases, e.g.
uploading photos to Flickr which are 6+ MB each).ADSL (and to a lesser extent cable) are highly asymmetrical services.
You can get symmetrical DSL links (SHDSL for instance), but they tend to have lower aggregate speeds (e.g.
5Mbps/5Mbps) and be very expensive.
Fibre gives us the opportunity to have some truly beefy, symmetrical home links, which we'll need as applications become increasingly two-way/interactive.Put it this way.
I'd rather have a 20/20 Mbps connection than a 100/1 Mbps connection (or even a 1Gbps/1Mbps!).
Upload speed is nice!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283590</id>
	<title>Re:C'mon guys this is Virgin your're talking about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267189980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Virgin are not throttling their 50MB service at the moment.  I expect that the 100MB will come at a premium, so this probably wont get capped.</p><p>I personally always get 50MB/s and have had a very reliable service from them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Virgin are not throttling their 50MB service at the moment .
I expect that the 100MB will come at a premium , so this probably wont get capped.I personally always get 50MB/s and have had a very reliable service from them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virgin are not throttling their 50MB service at the moment.
I expect that the 100MB will come at a premium, so this probably wont get capped.I personally always get 50MB/s and have had a very reliable service from them</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282964</id>
	<title>If your have the optical in the wall</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1267181220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then its just like S Korea.  Any provider can tap into the shared box  and link you to their back haul network, beyond cable or adsl.<br>
The real trick is the telco nodes seeing you as a bunch of adsl users rather than a single users.<br>
If you live in a new estate or flats with optical rolled out then your just another consumer who would have got a customer pipe deal in the past for the $$$. <br>
The real trick is the back haul and shared links around the UK.<br>
If its all saturated in the city or suburbia and then onto clean wide pipes, where you are linked up to and the upgrade cycle could be interesting.<br>
One old box might be great for many adsl2, start adding lots of optical  to it and will it cope?<br>
Will users find optical dead zones?  100mbps on the box, real world links are no more than a few 10 \% of that for years unless its with in the estate, building.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then its just like S Korea .
Any provider can tap into the shared box and link you to their back haul network , beyond cable or adsl .
The real trick is the telco nodes seeing you as a bunch of adsl users rather than a single users .
If you live in a new estate or flats with optical rolled out then your just another consumer who would have got a customer pipe deal in the past for the $ $ $ .
The real trick is the back haul and shared links around the UK .
If its all saturated in the city or suburbia and then onto clean wide pipes , where you are linked up to and the upgrade cycle could be interesting .
One old box might be great for many adsl2 , start adding lots of optical to it and will it cope ?
Will users find optical dead zones ?
100mbps on the box , real world links are no more than a few 10 \ % of that for years unless its with in the estate , building .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then its just like S Korea.
Any provider can tap into the shared box  and link you to their back haul network, beyond cable or adsl.
The real trick is the telco nodes seeing you as a bunch of adsl users rather than a single users.
If you live in a new estate or flats with optical rolled out then your just another consumer who would have got a customer pipe deal in the past for the $$$.
The real trick is the back haul and shared links around the UK.
If its all saturated in the city or suburbia and then onto clean wide pipes, where you are linked up to and the upgrade cycle could be interesting.
One old box might be great for many adsl2, start adding lots of optical  to it and will it cope?
Will users find optical dead zones?
100mbps on the box, real world links are no more than a few 10 \% of that for years unless its with in the estate, building.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282452</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267217880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Youtube 1080p videos still require some buffering on my 5mb connection. Did I mention they're compressed 1080p? It's <i>pretty</i> compressed video, but it's still compressed, and only in stereo. And only 30fps. Some of us have screens that support larger than 1080p. Some of us have computers that can handle 1080p at 60, or even 120fps. Imagine if Mozilla couldn't complain about which compression method we use because everyone simply had enough bandwidth to stream uncompressed video.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; <b>I, for one, welcome our 1080p+, uncompressed 120fps streaming video lords</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Youtube 1080p videos still require some buffering on my 5mb connection .
Did I mention they 're compressed 1080p ?
It 's pretty compressed video , but it 's still compressed , and only in stereo .
And only 30fps .
Some of us have screens that support larger than 1080p .
Some of us have computers that can handle 1080p at 60 , or even 120fps .
Imagine if Mozilla could n't complain about which compression method we use because everyone simply had enough bandwidth to stream uncompressed video .
    I , for one , welcome our 1080p + , uncompressed 120fps streaming video lords</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Youtube 1080p videos still require some buffering on my 5mb connection.
Did I mention they're compressed 1080p?
It's pretty compressed video, but it's still compressed, and only in stereo.
And only 30fps.
Some of us have screens that support larger than 1080p.
Some of us have computers that can handle 1080p at 60, or even 120fps.
Imagine if Mozilla couldn't complain about which compression method we use because everyone simply had enough bandwidth to stream uncompressed video.
  
  I, for one, welcome our 1080p+, uncompressed 120fps streaming video lords</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282260</id>
	<title>Something has to be done!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267214820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Widespread fast broadband access is key to a healthy economy and world-leading software industry.  Just look at Japan, where...ohh, wait.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Widespread fast broadband access is key to a healthy economy and world-leading software industry .
Just look at Japan , where...ohh , wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Widespread fast broadband access is key to a healthy economy and world-leading software industry.
Just look at Japan, where...ohh, wait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282396</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>khchung</author>
	<datestamp>1267216800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, 640K got to be enough for everybody!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , 640K got to be enough for everybody !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, 640K got to be enough for everybody!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283546</id>
	<title>Does it come with Phorm built in?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267189320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Cos we know Virgin has phorm in this area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Cos we know Virgin has phorm in this area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Cos we know Virgin has phorm in this area.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31287756</id>
	<title>Re:Not fibre</title>
	<author>tblack1471</author>
	<datestamp>1267210260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Certain parts of the network go further than that. My parents have fibre optic all the way to a small box on the side of their house. From there it's then coaxial cable into the house. <br>
I thought originally that fibre wasn't allowed to go into the home as there were safety concerns that people may damage their eyesight from staring into the cables to see the laser light. Not sure if this is still the case or not.<br>

Unfortunately I'm in the newer part of town which doesn't have cable, so I'm stuck with my 8Mbps ADSL connection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Certain parts of the network go further than that .
My parents have fibre optic all the way to a small box on the side of their house .
From there it 's then coaxial cable into the house .
I thought originally that fibre was n't allowed to go into the home as there were safety concerns that people may damage their eyesight from staring into the cables to see the laser light .
Not sure if this is still the case or not .
Unfortunately I 'm in the newer part of town which does n't have cable , so I 'm stuck with my 8Mbps ADSL connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Certain parts of the network go further than that.
My parents have fibre optic all the way to a small box on the side of their house.
From there it's then coaxial cable into the house.
I thought originally that fibre wasn't allowed to go into the home as there were safety concerns that people may damage their eyesight from staring into the cables to see the laser light.
Not sure if this is still the case or not.
Unfortunately I'm in the newer part of town which doesn't have cable, so I'm stuck with my 8Mbps ADSL connection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282346</id>
	<title>hope not only promise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267215960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hope this not only promise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>hope this not only promise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hope this not only promise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31284842</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>TheSunborn</author>
	<datestamp>1267198800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will be really great for working from home. Having all your work documents/data/graphics available as a shared mount is great. No more having to transfer data to/from work. Also usefull for remote desktop work with heavy graphics.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will be really great for working from home .
Having all your work documents/data/graphics available as a shared mount is great .
No more having to transfer data to/from work .
Also usefull for remote desktop work with heavy graphics .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will be really great for working from home.
Having all your work documents/data/graphics available as a shared mount is great.
No more having to transfer data to/from work.
Also usefull for remote desktop work with heavy graphics.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31294256</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1267201800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You laugh.  I have 600kb/s wireless access in my rural neighborhood.  Hulu is a matter of hit pause, let it buffer for a few min, then play, and hope the signal doesn't go down while watching  (hulu seems to stop playing if your internet connection goes down, even if there is still stuff in its buffer)</p><p>Did I mention I live 6 miles outside a large capital city with about 200,000 people?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You laugh .
I have 600kb/s wireless access in my rural neighborhood .
Hulu is a matter of hit pause , let it buffer for a few min , then play , and hope the signal does n't go down while watching ( hulu seems to stop playing if your internet connection goes down , even if there is still stuff in its buffer ) Did I mention I live 6 miles outside a large capital city with about 200,000 people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You laugh.
I have 600kb/s wireless access in my rural neighborhood.
Hulu is a matter of hit pause, let it buffer for a few min, then play, and hope the signal doesn't go down while watching  (hulu seems to stop playing if your internet connection goes down, even if there is still stuff in its buffer)Did I mention I live 6 miles outside a large capital city with about 200,000 people?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282872</id>
	<title>And what will the cap be?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267179900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>100 Mbit/sec isn't of much use if the cap is 4GB for 35 GBP. You'll just use the cap faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>100 Mbit/sec is n't of much use if the cap is 4GB for 35 GBP .
You 'll just use the cap faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>100 Mbit/sec isn't of much use if the cap is 4GB for 35 GBP.
You'll just use the cap faster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283502</id>
	<title>Re:C'mon guys this is Virgin your're talking about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267188840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to Virgin you are using "more than your fair share" if you use the connection you paid for: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to Virgin you are using " more than your fair share " if you use the connection you paid for : http : //allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to Virgin you are using "more than your fair share" if you use the connection you paid for: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283910</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1267193460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can't see why a domestic user needs that speed. I've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me.</p><p>Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content?</p></div><p>There was a time when you'd only see a single computer in a house.  That time has passed.  Most homes have more than one computer.</p><p>I have three genuine computers in our house (mine, the wife's, the kid's)...  We also have a DVR that can download stuff from the Internet, a set-top box that can stream Netflix stuff, and a couple consoles with Internet connectivity.</p><p>Our needs are fairly low.  While we may very well wind up with a few on-line games and a couple Pandora streams at one time, it isn't like we're trying to stream four different HD movies at once.  But we manage to pretty much saturate our 5 Mbps connection (which is the fastest I can get here).</p><p>If we had DVRs on some of the other televisions...  Or more set-top boxes...  Or if we had HD televisions...  I can't imagine trying to squeeze all that into our little 5 Mbps connection.  Hell, 20 Mbps seems low for that...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't see why a domestic user needs that speed .
I 've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me.Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content ? There was a time when you 'd only see a single computer in a house .
That time has passed .
Most homes have more than one computer.I have three genuine computers in our house ( mine , the wife 's , the kid 's ) ... We also have a DVR that can download stuff from the Internet , a set-top box that can stream Netflix stuff , and a couple consoles with Internet connectivity.Our needs are fairly low .
While we may very well wind up with a few on-line games and a couple Pandora streams at one time , it is n't like we 're trying to stream four different HD movies at once .
But we manage to pretty much saturate our 5 Mbps connection ( which is the fastest I can get here ) .If we had DVRs on some of the other televisions... Or more set-top boxes... Or if we had HD televisions... I ca n't imagine trying to squeeze all that into our little 5 Mbps connection .
Hell , 20 Mbps seems low for that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't see why a domestic user needs that speed.
I've got virgin cable and the 20MB is plenty for me.Perhaps this has something to do with their Tivo deal and on-demand content?There was a time when you'd only see a single computer in a house.
That time has passed.
Most homes have more than one computer.I have three genuine computers in our house (mine, the wife's, the kid's)...  We also have a DVR that can download stuff from the Internet, a set-top box that can stream Netflix stuff, and a couple consoles with Internet connectivity.Our needs are fairly low.
While we may very well wind up with a few on-line games and a couple Pandora streams at one time, it isn't like we're trying to stream four different HD movies at once.
But we manage to pretty much saturate our 5 Mbps connection (which is the fastest I can get here).If we had DVRs on some of the other televisions...  Or more set-top boxes...  Or if we had HD televisions...  I can't imagine trying to squeeze all that into our little 5 Mbps connection.
Hell, 20 Mbps seems low for that...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282926</id>
	<title>100Mbps sounds nice...</title>
	<author>Grundlefleck</author>
	<datestamp>1267180560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... but I'd rather be stuck on 2Mbps than have to put up with their extremely shitty customer service <i>again</i>.
<br> <br>
Broken promises for installation date, way <i>way</i> over what they estimated, with no communication about the delay. And when we wanted to cancel the service, we were put on hold for around 2 hours, at a pretty costly rate. Bully for you if your service gets installed without a hitch, I won't be taking that risk again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but I 'd rather be stuck on 2Mbps than have to put up with their extremely shitty customer service again .
Broken promises for installation date , way way over what they estimated , with no communication about the delay .
And when we wanted to cancel the service , we were put on hold for around 2 hours , at a pretty costly rate .
Bully for you if your service gets installed without a hitch , I wo n't be taking that risk again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but I'd rather be stuck on 2Mbps than have to put up with their extremely shitty customer service again.
Broken promises for installation date, way way over what they estimated, with no communication about the delay.
And when we wanted to cancel the service, we were put on hold for around 2 hours, at a pretty costly rate.
Bully for you if your service gets installed without a hitch, I won't be taking that risk again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31284124</id>
	<title>Re:Not fibre</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not to say that's a bad thing - the short copper runs mean you are guaranteed the advertised speed (unlike ADSL2+, on which you get 'as fast as your line will allow', which can be pretty bad if your copper line is more than 3 or 4 km long). But to contrast their 'fibre' network to 'crappy old DSL' is plainly wrong (especially considering they even use an xDSL technology for the last mile!).</p></div><p>I don't see what this has to do with the delivered speed, ADSL2+ also has dropping speed returns over distance, just like VDSL. And just like ADSL2+, VDSL would have crappy performance on poor quality lines. That said.. I get a decent 20Mbps on ADSL2.</p><p>It's not like it really matters how the trunk the node is connected to is built, as long as it has the capacity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to say that 's a bad thing - the short copper runs mean you are guaranteed the advertised speed ( unlike ADSL2 + , on which you get 'as fast as your line will allow ' , which can be pretty bad if your copper line is more than 3 or 4 km long ) .
But to contrast their 'fibre ' network to 'crappy old DSL ' is plainly wrong ( especially considering they even use an xDSL technology for the last mile !
) .I do n't see what this has to do with the delivered speed , ADSL2 + also has dropping speed returns over distance , just like VDSL .
And just like ADSL2 + , VDSL would have crappy performance on poor quality lines .
That said.. I get a decent 20Mbps on ADSL2.It 's not like it really matters how the trunk the node is connected to is built , as long as it has the capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to say that's a bad thing - the short copper runs mean you are guaranteed the advertised speed (unlike ADSL2+, on which you get 'as fast as your line will allow', which can be pretty bad if your copper line is more than 3 or 4 km long).
But to contrast their 'fibre' network to 'crappy old DSL' is plainly wrong (especially considering they even use an xDSL technology for the last mile!
).I don't see what this has to do with the delivered speed, ADSL2+ also has dropping speed returns over distance, just like VDSL.
And just like ADSL2+, VDSL would have crappy performance on poor quality lines.
That said.. I get a decent 20Mbps on ADSL2.It's not like it really matters how the trunk the node is connected to is built, as long as it has the capacity.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283168</id>
	<title>Re:Try getting my 20Mbit to run at speed first!</title>
	<author>drunkahol</author>
	<datestamp>1267183980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being on the 50Mbit connection, I'll confirm the absence of traffic shaping.</p><p>I'll also confirm that the service runs at VERY close to the advertised speed the vast majority of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being on the 50Mbit connection , I 'll confirm the absence of traffic shaping.I 'll also confirm that the service runs at VERY close to the advertised speed the vast majority of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being on the 50Mbit connection, I'll confirm the absence of traffic shaping.I'll also confirm that the service runs at VERY close to the advertised speed the vast majority of the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282818</id>
	<title>Wonderful!</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1267179180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2009/12/03/privacy-campaigner-attacks-trial-of-dpi-tech-by-isp-virgin-media-uk.html" title="ispreview.co.uk">DPI of your internet connection</a> [ispreview.co.uk] at twice the maximum speed currently available on their network!<br> <br>I'll stick with my favoured LLU ADSL ISP (<a href="http://www.aaisp.net/" title="aaisp.net">Andrews and Arnold</a> [aaisp.net] - No filtering, no shaping, almost constantly get max connection speed in my area (8Mb/s), first line support is an engineer, not a child with a script).</htmltext>
<tokenext>DPI of your internet connection [ ispreview.co.uk ] at twice the maximum speed currently available on their network !
I 'll stick with my favoured LLU ADSL ISP ( Andrews and Arnold [ aaisp.net ] - No filtering , no shaping , almost constantly get max connection speed in my area ( 8Mb/s ) , first line support is an engineer , not a child with a script ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DPI of your internet connection [ispreview.co.uk] at twice the maximum speed currently available on their network!
I'll stick with my favoured LLU ADSL ISP (Andrews and Arnold [aaisp.net] - No filtering, no shaping, almost constantly get max connection speed in my area (8Mb/s), first line support is an engineer, not a child with a script).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31284602</id>
	<title>Re:Something has to be done!</title>
	<author>oxide7</author>
	<datestamp>1267197480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Japan has fast internet but a number of other political and economic problems that are hindering its growth... as a counter-example -- look at Korea. They are like #1 or #2 in broadband adoption and they are thriving. Samsung overtook HP as the #1 tech company in revenue (multiple times ahead of Sony), Hyundai is one of the only car companies to have US growth last year, and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... They just won Gold in Ice Skating</htmltext>
<tokenext>Japan has fast internet but a number of other political and economic problems that are hindering its growth... as a counter-example -- look at Korea .
They are like # 1 or # 2 in broadband adoption and they are thriving .
Samsung overtook HP as the # 1 tech company in revenue ( multiple times ahead of Sony ) , Hyundai is one of the only car companies to have US growth last year , and ... They just won Gold in Ice Skating</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Japan has fast internet but a number of other political and economic problems that are hindering its growth... as a counter-example -- look at Korea.
They are like #1 or #2 in broadband adoption and they are thriving.
Samsung overtook HP as the #1 tech company in revenue (multiple times ahead of Sony), Hyundai is one of the only car companies to have US growth last year, and ... They just won Gold in Ice Skating</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31284986</id>
	<title>Great, if you actually have cable near you..</title>
	<author>Peter Cooper</author>
	<datestamp>1267199640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>There is nothing we can't do with our fiber optic cable network</em></p><p>Except deploy it across most of the country, it seems..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is nothing we ca n't do with our fiber optic cable networkExcept deploy it across most of the country , it seems. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is nothing we can't do with our fiber optic cable networkExcept deploy it across most of the country, it seems..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283604</id>
	<title>Virgin Media Suck Bad</title>
	<author>anne on E. mouse cow</author>
	<datestamp>1267190100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I unfortunately have a Virgin Media connection, it sucks, the downloads are throttled <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin\_Media#Bandwidth\_throttling" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin\_Media#Bandwidth\_throttling</a> [wikipedia.org]  a lot, often to 1/4 speed. Uploads are currently going at a paltry 20-30KB/s - That's Over 6 hours to upload a 700MB CD!!!!!!!!!. <br> <br>

Also - See <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml/" title="techdirt.com" rel="nofollow">http://techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml/</a> [techdirt.com] Deep Packet Inspection and File Sharing Monitoring <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/virgin\_media\_detica//" title="theregister.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/virgin\_media\_detica//</a> [theregister.co.uk] and Phorm the advertising crap <a href="http://badphorm.co.uk/news.php?item.46.4/" title="badphorm.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://badphorm.co.uk/news.php?item.46.4/</a> [badphorm.co.uk] <br> <br>

And they don't support filesharers like Talk Talk  <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/146785/virgin\_music\_campaigns\_against\_illegal\_filesharing.html/" title="pcworld.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcworld.com/article/146785/virgin\_music\_campaigns\_against\_illegal\_filesharing.html/</a> [pcworld.com] and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/isp-will-protect-file-sharers-from-music-industry-disconnection-threat-080404//" title="torrentfreak.com" rel="nofollow">http://torrentfreak.com/isp-will-protect-file-sharers-from-music-industry-disconnection-threat-080404//</a> [torrentfreak.com] they will happily hand over your details to all and sundry if accused of copyright infringement - this handing over of personal details is probably Illegal itself under the data-protection act.

Also they force you to have a phone line with high call costs or else you are charged an arm and a leg for the internet connection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I unfortunately have a Virgin Media connection , it sucks , the downloads are throttled http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin \ _Media # Bandwidth \ _throttling [ wikipedia.org ] a lot , often to 1/4 speed .
Uploads are currently going at a paltry 20-30KB/s - That 's Over 6 hours to upload a 700MB CD ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! .
Also - See http : //techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml/ [ techdirt.com ] Deep Packet Inspection and File Sharing Monitoring http : //www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/virgin \ _media \ _detica// [ theregister.co.uk ] and Phorm the advertising crap http : //badphorm.co.uk/news.php ? item.46.4/ [ badphorm.co.uk ] And they do n't support filesharers like Talk Talk http : //www.pcworld.com/article/146785/virgin \ _music \ _campaigns \ _against \ _illegal \ _filesharing.html/ [ pcworld.com ] and http : //torrentfreak.com/isp-will-protect-file-sharers-from-music-industry-disconnection-threat-080404// [ torrentfreak.com ] they will happily hand over your details to all and sundry if accused of copyright infringement - this handing over of personal details is probably Illegal itself under the data-protection act .
Also they force you to have a phone line with high call costs or else you are charged an arm and a leg for the internet connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I unfortunately have a Virgin Media connection, it sucks, the downloads are throttled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin\_Media#Bandwidth\_throttling [wikipedia.org]  a lot, often to 1/4 speed.
Uploads are currently going at a paltry 20-30KB/s - That's Over 6 hours to upload a 700MB CD!!!!!!!!!.
Also - See http://techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml/ [techdirt.com] Deep Packet Inspection and File Sharing Monitoring http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/virgin\_media\_detica// [theregister.co.uk] and Phorm the advertising crap http://badphorm.co.uk/news.php?item.46.4/ [badphorm.co.uk]  

And they don't support filesharers like Talk Talk  http://www.pcworld.com/article/146785/virgin\_music\_campaigns\_against\_illegal\_filesharing.html/ [pcworld.com] and http://torrentfreak.com/isp-will-protect-file-sharers-from-music-industry-disconnection-threat-080404// [torrentfreak.com] they will happily hand over your details to all and sundry if accused of copyright infringement - this handing over of personal details is probably Illegal itself under the data-protection act.
Also they force you to have a phone line with high call costs or else you are charged an arm and a leg for the internet connection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283802</id>
	<title>Re:C'mon guys this is Virgin your're talking about</title>
	<author>Distt</author>
	<datestamp>1267192500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no 40Mb service, they only throttle you on 20Mb and lower during certain times and for downloading certain ammounts, even with that you can still download over 100GB per day on 20Mb. The 50Mb service has no traffic management at all.

As for being a media company and getting a call from them if you download copyrighted material, as far as I know, not a single person has been taken to court over downloading copyrighted material on a virgin media connection. The only sort of letters they send out are to some very heavy users, and I download over 100GB a month and I dont get them letters so by their standards im within whats OK.

And to the people complaining about the 'up to' part of it, this is cable, not ADSL, line length doesn't matter which is why most, if not all research done, show that cable users get much closer, if not exactly at, the speed they are offered. As for people disliking it being called fibre when its co-ax the last few hundred M, well expect BT to do the same thing when they fully roll out FTTC.

As for censoring, VM dont censor anything any more than any other ISP. There is a blacklist in the UK of mostly child pornography sites in the UK which the majority of ISPs, even BT, block.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no 40Mb service , they only throttle you on 20Mb and lower during certain times and for downloading certain ammounts , even with that you can still download over 100GB per day on 20Mb .
The 50Mb service has no traffic management at all .
As for being a media company and getting a call from them if you download copyrighted material , as far as I know , not a single person has been taken to court over downloading copyrighted material on a virgin media connection .
The only sort of letters they send out are to some very heavy users , and I download over 100GB a month and I dont get them letters so by their standards im within whats OK . And to the people complaining about the 'up to ' part of it , this is cable , not ADSL , line length does n't matter which is why most , if not all research done , show that cable users get much closer , if not exactly at , the speed they are offered .
As for people disliking it being called fibre when its co-ax the last few hundred M , well expect BT to do the same thing when they fully roll out FTTC .
As for censoring , VM dont censor anything any more than any other ISP .
There is a blacklist in the UK of mostly child pornography sites in the UK which the majority of ISPs , even BT , block .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no 40Mb service, they only throttle you on 20Mb and lower during certain times and for downloading certain ammounts, even with that you can still download over 100GB per day on 20Mb.
The 50Mb service has no traffic management at all.
As for being a media company and getting a call from them if you download copyrighted material, as far as I know, not a single person has been taken to court over downloading copyrighted material on a virgin media connection.
The only sort of letters they send out are to some very heavy users, and I download over 100GB a month and I dont get them letters so by their standards im within whats OK.

And to the people complaining about the 'up to' part of it, this is cable, not ADSL, line length doesn't matter which is why most, if not all research done, show that cable users get much closer, if not exactly at, the speed they are offered.
As for people disliking it being called fibre when its co-ax the last few hundred M, well expect BT to do the same thing when they fully roll out FTTC.
As for censoring, VM dont censor anything any more than any other ISP.
There is a blacklist in the UK of mostly child pornography sites in the UK which the majority of ISPs, even BT, block.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282520</id>
	<title>Try getting my 20Mbit to run at speed first!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267175880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well 100Mbit is all good and well  but considering Virgin have some serious traffic shaping going on (4-12 peak time speed cap if you, err, use your connection iirc).

It's a shame they don't just release a plan where they WONT cap you (ie you pay us XYZ for 200gig etc)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well 100Mbit is all good and well but considering Virgin have some serious traffic shaping going on ( 4-12 peak time speed cap if you , err , use your connection iirc ) .
It 's a shame they do n't just release a plan where they WONT cap you ( ie you pay us XYZ for 200gig etc )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well 100Mbit is all good and well  but considering Virgin have some serious traffic shaping going on (4-12 peak time speed cap if you, err, use your connection iirc).
It's a shame they don't just release a plan where they WONT cap you (ie you pay us XYZ for 200gig etc)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282384</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>mpbrede</author>
	<datestamp>1267216500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How many times have people been unable to "see" beyond the current paradigm? Need I remind you of the famous Watson quote that there is a need for at most 16 computers worldwide, or the quote attributed to Gates that no-one would need more than 640KB? THere are many, many similar short-sighted "I don't see the need for this" examples in history, and not only in technology (although all things at some time or another are "technology").</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many times have people been unable to " see " beyond the current paradigm ?
Need I remind you of the famous Watson quote that there is a need for at most 16 computers worldwide , or the quote attributed to Gates that no-one would need more than 640KB ?
THere are many , many similar short-sighted " I do n't see the need for this " examples in history , and not only in technology ( although all things at some time or another are " technology " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many times have people been unable to "see" beyond the current paradigm?
Need I remind you of the famous Watson quote that there is a need for at most 16 computers worldwide, or the quote attributed to Gates that no-one would need more than 640KB?
THere are many, many similar short-sighted "I don't see the need for this" examples in history, and not only in technology (although all things at some time or another are "technology").
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283364</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>Eudial</author>
	<datestamp>1267186800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Domestic users don't currently need it because domestic user don't currently have it, which means content providers don't provide content that requires it. Same way there was no sane reason for a domestic user to have a broadband connection of any variety in the '90s, when content was adapted for modem-users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Domestic users do n't currently need it because domestic user do n't currently have it , which means content providers do n't provide content that requires it .
Same way there was no sane reason for a domestic user to have a broadband connection of any variety in the '90s , when content was adapted for modem-users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Domestic users don't currently need it because domestic user don't currently have it, which means content providers don't provide content that requires it.
Same way there was no sane reason for a domestic user to have a broadband connection of any variety in the '90s, when content was adapted for modem-users.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283932</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1267193640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I forgot to add that when you're uploading from a pc you can just click upload, open another window and go about your day, doesn't keep you from work.  But when you're on a phone uploading a file you might have to leave that window open while you wait minutes for it to upload.  Course this is all new to phones, I've had 10/1 Mbps at home for ten yrs, but it's frustrating to pay for all the hardware and not have a fast infrastructure to support it</htmltext>
<tokenext>I forgot to add that when you 're uploading from a pc you can just click upload , open another window and go about your day , does n't keep you from work .
But when you 're on a phone uploading a file you might have to leave that window open while you wait minutes for it to upload .
Course this is all new to phones , I 've had 10/1 Mbps at home for ten yrs , but it 's frustrating to pay for all the hardware and not have a fast infrastructure to support it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I forgot to add that when you're uploading from a pc you can just click upload, open another window and go about your day, doesn't keep you from work.
But when you're on a phone uploading a file you might have to leave that window open while you wait minutes for it to upload.
Course this is all new to phones, I've had 10/1 Mbps at home for ten yrs, but it's frustrating to pay for all the hardware and not have a fast infrastructure to support it</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31297152</id>
	<title>Welcome to broadband</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267291500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And why is this news, In the Netherlands, we already have faster connections, up to 120Mbps for consumers.</p><p>http://www.upc.nl/internet/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And why is this news , In the Netherlands , we already have faster connections , up to 120Mbps for consumers.http : //www.upc.nl/internet/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And why is this news, In the Netherlands, we already have faster connections, up to 120Mbps for consumers.http://www.upc.nl/internet/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282594</id>
	<title>To all the naysayers</title>
	<author>Chelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1267176840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm on virgin, 10Mb plan (downloading hundreds of gigs per month). I could get faster, but to be honest I don't think it'd do much good. I suppose I generally wait about 30mins for a movie to download, and that could be 3 minutes @ 100Mbps, but what the hay. Anything that's time critical is with me quickly enough, as its usually small, so I haven't upgraded. 100Mbps would be nice, but not if it's expensive. </p><p>As to complaints about the service, you should move to my area. On the 10Mbps plan, my ftp runs at 1.2MB/s for the majority of the time. If you get a calculator out, I think you'll find that that's pretty much what they're advertising. It typically drops to 300KB/s between the hours of 4pm and 9pm, but that's in their ToS, and I max the throttle at all other times, near enough. </p><p>All in all I would say that Virgin give me exactly what I pay for, and their customer service (while outsourced to india) is actually surprisingly good. </p><p>Big thumbs up for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm on virgin , 10Mb plan ( downloading hundreds of gigs per month ) .
I could get faster , but to be honest I do n't think it 'd do much good .
I suppose I generally wait about 30mins for a movie to download , and that could be 3 minutes @ 100Mbps , but what the hay .
Anything that 's time critical is with me quickly enough , as its usually small , so I have n't upgraded .
100Mbps would be nice , but not if it 's expensive .
As to complaints about the service , you should move to my area .
On the 10Mbps plan , my ftp runs at 1.2MB/s for the majority of the time .
If you get a calculator out , I think you 'll find that that 's pretty much what they 're advertising .
It typically drops to 300KB/s between the hours of 4pm and 9pm , but that 's in their ToS , and I max the throttle at all other times , near enough .
All in all I would say that Virgin give me exactly what I pay for , and their customer service ( while outsourced to india ) is actually surprisingly good .
Big thumbs up for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm on virgin, 10Mb plan (downloading hundreds of gigs per month).
I could get faster, but to be honest I don't think it'd do much good.
I suppose I generally wait about 30mins for a movie to download, and that could be 3 minutes @ 100Mbps, but what the hay.
Anything that's time critical is with me quickly enough, as its usually small, so I haven't upgraded.
100Mbps would be nice, but not if it's expensive.
As to complaints about the service, you should move to my area.
On the 10Mbps plan, my ftp runs at 1.2MB/s for the majority of the time.
If you get a calculator out, I think you'll find that that's pretty much what they're advertising.
It typically drops to 300KB/s between the hours of 4pm and 9pm, but that's in their ToS, and I max the throttle at all other times, near enough.
All in all I would say that Virgin give me exactly what I pay for, and their customer service (while outsourced to india) is actually surprisingly good.
Big thumbs up for this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31286838</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1267207200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Some of us have computers that can handle 1080p at 60, or even 120fps.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Do the newer 120 and <a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438\_7-10243372-82.html" title="cnet.com">240 hz LCD TVs</a> [cnet.com] actually accept a 240 hz signal?  My impression is they are just upsampling from the 60 hz signal.  Can you set the refresh rate on your computer to 240 hz for them?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of us have computers that can handle 1080p at 60 , or even 120fps .
Do the newer 120 and 240 hz LCD TVs [ cnet.com ] actually accept a 240 hz signal ?
My impression is they are just upsampling from the 60 hz signal .
Can you set the refresh rate on your computer to 240 hz for them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of us have computers that can handle 1080p at 60, or even 120fps.
Do the newer 120 and 240 hz LCD TVs [cnet.com] actually accept a 240 hz signal?
My impression is they are just upsampling from the 60 hz signal.
Can you set the refresh rate on your computer to 240 hz for them?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282452</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283834</id>
	<title>Re:C'mon guys this is Virgin your're talking about</title>
	<author>Dilligent</author>
	<datestamp>1267192800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The stated speed of 100MB/s will only work as long you don't actually use it that often. If you use Bittorrent and/or Youtube/iPlayer too much Virgin will trottle down your connection (they do it alreay with their current 40MB/s fibre offer.</p><p>Oh, and by the way, your connection will be silently censored.</p><p>And let's not forget that Virgin is also a media company: if you, your kids, the neighbour (that managed to hack into your Wireless connection because you used no or easy encryption) or anybody else actually downloads music-tracks/videos/games/apps from some fishy place or other through your connection, expect a call from the appropriate industry's lawyers.</p><p>Last but not least, most Virgin companies have incredibly bad costumer service: even when their products are good, you can't trust them not to overcharge you, auto-renew your contracts against your wishes and/or other fishy practices. Usually they include incredible clausules in their contract designed to make it impossible for you to leave (good luck remembering to cancel your contract at a very specific couple of days in the year before they auto-renew).</p></div><p>WRONG!

VM does not even offer 40Mbit/sec, it offers 50MBit/sec which is actually what youre going to get. I got a 50Mbit/sec connection myself and it's been great ever since they installed it.
They do *not* traffic shape the 50Mbit/sec package: <a href="http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html" title="virginmedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html</a> [virginmedia.com]

On your lats bit about support: That's simply not true, i've had an outage once and was able to contact virgin media support (knowledgable people, not your usual unqualified support guys) on  a newsgroup at 10 PM on a weekend (think it was staurday or sunday, they do work on sundays too!) and they rectified it within 1-2 days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The stated speed of 100MB/s will only work as long you do n't actually use it that often .
If you use Bittorrent and/or Youtube/iPlayer too much Virgin will trottle down your connection ( they do it alreay with their current 40MB/s fibre offer.Oh , and by the way , your connection will be silently censored.And let 's not forget that Virgin is also a media company : if you , your kids , the neighbour ( that managed to hack into your Wireless connection because you used no or easy encryption ) or anybody else actually downloads music-tracks/videos/games/apps from some fishy place or other through your connection , expect a call from the appropriate industry 's lawyers.Last but not least , most Virgin companies have incredibly bad costumer service : even when their products are good , you ca n't trust them not to overcharge you , auto-renew your contracts against your wishes and/or other fishy practices .
Usually they include incredible clausules in their contract designed to make it impossible for you to leave ( good luck remembering to cancel your contract at a very specific couple of days in the year before they auto-renew ) .WRONG !
VM does not even offer 40Mbit/sec , it offers 50MBit/sec which is actually what youre going to get .
I got a 50Mbit/sec connection myself and it 's been great ever since they installed it .
They do * not * traffic shape the 50Mbit/sec package : http : //allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html [ virginmedia.com ] On your lats bit about support : That 's simply not true , i 've had an outage once and was able to contact virgin media support ( knowledgable people , not your usual unqualified support guys ) on a newsgroup at 10 PM on a weekend ( think it was staurday or sunday , they do work on sundays too !
) and they rectified it within 1-2 days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The stated speed of 100MB/s will only work as long you don't actually use it that often.
If you use Bittorrent and/or Youtube/iPlayer too much Virgin will trottle down your connection (they do it alreay with their current 40MB/s fibre offer.Oh, and by the way, your connection will be silently censored.And let's not forget that Virgin is also a media company: if you, your kids, the neighbour (that managed to hack into your Wireless connection because you used no or easy encryption) or anybody else actually downloads music-tracks/videos/games/apps from some fishy place or other through your connection, expect a call from the appropriate industry's lawyers.Last but not least, most Virgin companies have incredibly bad costumer service: even when their products are good, you can't trust them not to overcharge you, auto-renew your contracts against your wishes and/or other fishy practices.
Usually they include incredible clausules in their contract designed to make it impossible for you to leave (good luck remembering to cancel your contract at a very specific couple of days in the year before they auto-renew).WRONG!
VM does not even offer 40Mbit/sec, it offers 50MBit/sec which is actually what youre going to get.
I got a 50Mbit/sec connection myself and it's been great ever since they installed it.
They do *not* traffic shape the 50Mbit/sec package: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html [virginmedia.com]

On your lats bit about support: That's simply not true, i've had an outage once and was able to contact virgin media support (knowledgable people, not your usual unqualified support guys) on  a newsgroup at 10 PM on a weekend (think it was staurday or sunday, they do work on sundays too!
) and they rectified it within 1-2 days.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283020</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>nutshell42</author>
	<datestamp>1267181940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Youtube 1080p videos still require some buffering on my 5mb connection.</p></div><p>For me (and many other people, you among them apparently) Youtube videos always buffer slightly too slow. It only happens with Youtube and if I launch 3 videos at the same time, they all buffer at the same just-a-few-percent-too-slow speed.</p><p>
The solution is to start buffering a few videos and while you watch them you keep buffering new ones in other tabs. Of course that's not what you'd call convenient and they periodically fsck up their client so you can't pause before the video's running. But until our friends at Youtube begin to leverage the advantages of being part of Google and use Google Maps to find their asses, that's the only thing you can do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Youtube 1080p videos still require some buffering on my 5mb connection.For me ( and many other people , you among them apparently ) Youtube videos always buffer slightly too slow .
It only happens with Youtube and if I launch 3 videos at the same time , they all buffer at the same just-a-few-percent-too-slow speed .
The solution is to start buffering a few videos and while you watch them you keep buffering new ones in other tabs .
Of course that 's not what you 'd call convenient and they periodically fsck up their client so you ca n't pause before the video 's running .
But until our friends at Youtube begin to leverage the advantages of being part of Google and use Google Maps to find their asses , that 's the only thing you can do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Youtube 1080p videos still require some buffering on my 5mb connection.For me (and many other people, you among them apparently) Youtube videos always buffer slightly too slow.
It only happens with Youtube and if I launch 3 videos at the same time, they all buffer at the same just-a-few-percent-too-slow speed.
The solution is to start buffering a few videos and while you watch them you keep buffering new ones in other tabs.
Of course that's not what you'd call convenient and they periodically fsck up their client so you can't pause before the video's running.
But until our friends at Youtube begin to leverage the advantages of being part of Google and use Google Maps to find their asses, that's the only thing you can do.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282270</id>
	<title>Abstinence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267215060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>A 100MBs line will just create more virgins.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 100MBs line will just create more virgins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 100MBs line will just create more virgins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283642</id>
	<title>Yeah sure.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267190580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wake me up when they can serve all of London first.</p><p>Where I live they don't provide any service whatsoever (Wandsworth!).</p><p>All these grandiose claims sound terribly hollow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when they can serve all of London first.Where I live they do n't provide any service whatsoever ( Wandsworth !
) .All these grandiose claims sound terribly hollow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when they can serve all of London first.Where I live they don't provide any service whatsoever (Wandsworth!
).All these grandiose claims sound terribly hollow.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283582</id>
	<title>Cablevision already offers 101 Mbps</title>
	<author>wilsonjd</author>
	<datestamp>1267189860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the New York Area, Optimum Online Ultra is 101 Mbps<br>
<a href="http://optimum.com/online/ultra.jsp" title="optimum.com" rel="nofollow">http://optimum.com/online/ultra.jsp</a> [optimum.com]
<br> <br>
granted, it's expensive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the New York Area , Optimum Online Ultra is 101 Mbps http : //optimum.com/online/ultra.jsp [ optimum.com ] granted , it 's expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the New York Area, Optimum Online Ultra is 101 Mbps
http://optimum.com/online/ultra.jsp [optimum.com]
 
granted, it's expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31287716</id>
	<title>200 Mbit</title>
	<author>negge</author>
	<datestamp>1267210080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On a somewhat unrelated note, while Virgin is starting to offer "up to" 100Mbps connections in the UK and AT&amp;T thinks 100Mbps in 10 years is somewhat unfeasible, Welho (Finland's biggest cable provider) announced a couple weeks back that they've started offering a new 200/10 Mbit/s option for all their cable customers. The cost was 59,90&euro; if I remember correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On a somewhat unrelated note , while Virgin is starting to offer " up to " 100Mbps connections in the UK and AT&amp;T thinks 100Mbps in 10 years is somewhat unfeasible , Welho ( Finland 's biggest cable provider ) announced a couple weeks back that they 've started offering a new 200/10 Mbit/s option for all their cable customers .
The cost was 59,90    if I remember correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a somewhat unrelated note, while Virgin is starting to offer "up to" 100Mbps connections in the UK and AT&amp;T thinks 100Mbps in 10 years is somewhat unfeasible, Welho (Finland's biggest cable provider) announced a couple weeks back that they've started offering a new 200/10 Mbit/s option for all their cable customers.
The cost was 59,90€ if I remember correctly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282722</id>
	<title>Re:100MB?</title>
	<author>coolsnowmen</author>
	<datestamp>1267178100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>video will always be compressed, even if it is non-destructively so.  It would irresponsible to implement a system otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>video will always be compressed , even if it is non-destructively so .
It would irresponsible to implement a system otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>video will always be compressed, even if it is non-destructively so.
It would irresponsible to implement a system otherwise.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31282452</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0138228.31283384</id>
	<title>Up</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1267187040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm on their 20Mbit package at the moment; I don't really need any faster downstream at the moment, but I would like a faster upstream (currently 1Mbit), so what's the upstream going to be on the 100Mbit downstream package?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm on their 20Mbit package at the moment ; I do n't really need any faster downstream at the moment , but I would like a faster upstream ( currently 1Mbit ) , so what 's the upstream going to be on the 100Mbit downstream package ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm on their 20Mbit package at the moment; I don't really need any faster downstream at the moment, but I would like a faster upstream (currently 1Mbit), so what's the upstream going to be on the 100Mbit downstream package?</sentencetext>
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