<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_25_1640227</id>
	<title>Space Exploration Needs Extraterrestrial Ethics</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1267122240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Professor Andy Miah notes there's already international government policies taking hold on outer space &mdash; and <a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/extraterrestrial-ethics">a need for new ethical guidelines</a>. 'For instance, what obligations do we owe to the various life forms we send there, or those we might discover? Can we develop a more considerate approach to colonizing outer space than we were able to achieve for various sectors of Earth?' And what rights do astronauts have? 'Could our inevitable public surveillance of their behavior become too much of an infringement on their personal privacy?' But more importantly, professor Miah notes that 'the goods of space exploration far exceed the symbolic value,' pointing out that 'A vast amount of research and development derives from space exploration ... For example, the United Kingdom's 2007 Space Policy inquiry indicated that the creation of space products contributes two to three times their value in GDP.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Professor Andy Miah notes there 's already international government policies taking hold on outer space    and a need for new ethical guidelines .
'For instance , what obligations do we owe to the various life forms we send there , or those we might discover ?
Can we develop a more considerate approach to colonizing outer space than we were able to achieve for various sectors of Earth ?
' And what rights do astronauts have ?
'Could our inevitable public surveillance of their behavior become too much of an infringement on their personal privacy ?
' But more importantly , professor Miah notes that 'the goods of space exploration far exceed the symbolic value, ' pointing out that 'A vast amount of research and development derives from space exploration ... For example , the United Kingdom 's 2007 Space Policy inquiry indicated that the creation of space products contributes two to three times their value in GDP .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Professor Andy Miah notes there's already international government policies taking hold on outer space — and a need for new ethical guidelines.
'For instance, what obligations do we owe to the various life forms we send there, or those we might discover?
Can we develop a more considerate approach to colonizing outer space than we were able to achieve for various sectors of Earth?
' And what rights do astronauts have?
'Could our inevitable public surveillance of their behavior become too much of an infringement on their personal privacy?
' But more importantly, professor Miah notes that 'the goods of space exploration far exceed the symbolic value,' pointing out that 'A vast amount of research and development derives from space exploration ... For example, the United Kingdom's 2007 Space Policy inquiry indicated that the creation of space products contributes two to three times their value in GDP.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31278390</id>
	<title>Priorities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267095360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is getting a little too far ahead of things. Wouldn't it be more effective to develop a code of ethics that works here at home first?  I mean, we could use the practice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is getting a little too far ahead of things .
Would n't it be more effective to develop a code of ethics that works here at home first ?
I mean , we could use the practice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is getting a little too far ahead of things.
Wouldn't it be more effective to develop a code of ethics that works here at home first?
I mean, we could use the practice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275710</id>
	<title>I Don't Think It Matters</title>
	<author>WrongSizeGlass</author>
	<datestamp>1267127760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If/When humans first encounter extraterrestrial life forms they'll be so blown away that everything goes out the window. And if they even think they smell a hint of danger they'll kill anything and everything<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and if it's anything like in Twilight Zone, they'll kill each other, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If/When humans first encounter extraterrestrial life forms they 'll be so blown away that everything goes out the window .
And if they even think they smell a hint of danger they 'll kill anything and everything ... and if it 's anything like in Twilight Zone , they 'll kill each other , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If/When humans first encounter extraterrestrial life forms they'll be so blown away that everything goes out the window.
And if they even think they smell a hint of danger they'll kill anything and everything ... and if it's anything like in Twilight Zone, they'll kill each other, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275874</id>
	<title>First things first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267128300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let the ethicists at the first university in the asteroid belt work on these questions.<br>
It's irrelevant until we get out there, and we're not out there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let the ethicists at the first university in the asteroid belt work on these questions .
It 's irrelevant until we get out there , and we 're not out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let the ethicists at the first university in the asteroid belt work on these questions.
It's irrelevant until we get out there, and we're not out there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276278</id>
	<title>Extra Terrestrial Ethics?</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1267129980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that about the lost Star TRek episode where Kirk dumps that green skinned chick after knocking her up? (And the blue chick. and the purple one. and don't forget that mauve honey...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that about the lost Star TRek episode where Kirk dumps that green skinned chick after knocking her up ?
( And the blue chick .
and the purple one .
and do n't forget that mauve honey... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that about the lost Star TRek episode where Kirk dumps that green skinned chick after knocking her up?
(And the blue chick.
and the purple one.
and don't forget that mauve honey...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31282626</id>
	<title>George carlin said it best...</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1267177140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... do we really need "space ethics", "when the planets people are fucked?"  (paraphrased)</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... do we really need " space ethics " , " when the planets people are fucked ?
" ( paraphrased ) http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = eScDfYzMEEw [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... do we really need "space ethics", "when the planets people are fucked?
"  (paraphrased)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276440</id>
	<title>easy policy statement</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1267130520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Don't be evil."</p><p>"Unless it's \_really\_ profitable."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Do n't be evil .
" " Unless it 's \ _really \ _ profitable .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Don't be evil.
""Unless it's \_really\_ profitable.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31280262</id>
	<title>Prime Directive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267106220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I think science fiction has given us a reasonable start on this.  Lets go with Star Trek the Prime Directive:</p><p>Also known as Starfleet General Order 1, the Prime Directive is the most important law in Starfleet, a law of noninterference. Violation of the Directive is generally considered a felony offense that often carries severe punishment unless sufficient justification can be made for the violation.</p><p>The Directive states that members of Starfleet are not to interfere in the internal affairs of another species, especially the natural development of pre-warp civilizations, either by direct intervention, or technological revelation. When studying a planet's civilization, particularly during a planetary survey, the Prime Directive makes it clear that there is to be "No identification of self or mission. No interference with the social development of said planet. No references to space, other worlds, or advanced civilizations." (TOS: "Bread and Circuses") Starfleet personnel are required to understand that allowing cultures to develop on their own is an important right and therefore must make any sacrifice to protect cultures from contamination, even at the cost of their own lives.</p><p>http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Prime\_directive</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I think science fiction has given us a reasonable start on this .
Lets go with Star Trek the Prime Directive : Also known as Starfleet General Order 1 , the Prime Directive is the most important law in Starfleet , a law of noninterference .
Violation of the Directive is generally considered a felony offense that often carries severe punishment unless sufficient justification can be made for the violation.The Directive states that members of Starfleet are not to interfere in the internal affairs of another species , especially the natural development of pre-warp civilizations , either by direct intervention , or technological revelation .
When studying a planet 's civilization , particularly during a planetary survey , the Prime Directive makes it clear that there is to be " No identification of self or mission .
No interference with the social development of said planet .
No references to space , other worlds , or advanced civilizations .
" ( TOS : " Bread and Circuses " ) Starfleet personnel are required to understand that allowing cultures to develop on their own is an important right and therefore must make any sacrifice to protect cultures from contamination , even at the cost of their own lives.http : //memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Prime \ _directive</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I think science fiction has given us a reasonable start on this.
Lets go with Star Trek the Prime Directive:Also known as Starfleet General Order 1, the Prime Directive is the most important law in Starfleet, a law of noninterference.
Violation of the Directive is generally considered a felony offense that often carries severe punishment unless sufficient justification can be made for the violation.The Directive states that members of Starfleet are not to interfere in the internal affairs of another species, especially the natural development of pre-warp civilizations, either by direct intervention, or technological revelation.
When studying a planet's civilization, particularly during a planetary survey, the Prime Directive makes it clear that there is to be "No identification of self or mission.
No interference with the social development of said planet.
No references to space, other worlds, or advanced civilizations.
" (TOS: "Bread and Circuses") Starfleet personnel are required to understand that allowing cultures to develop on their own is an important right and therefore must make any sacrifice to protect cultures from contamination, even at the cost of their own lives.http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Prime\_directive</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276100</id>
	<title>Congrats Prof. Andy Miah!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267129260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have discovered the genre of science fiction! You win the prize!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have discovered the genre of science fiction !
You win the prize !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have discovered the genre of science fiction!
You win the prize!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31279268</id>
	<title>pointless</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1267099260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Space exploration may not happen at all.  If it does, it probably will be completely different from what we imagine it to be like.  We can worry about the ethics when we get reasonably close.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Space exploration may not happen at all .
If it does , it probably will be completely different from what we imagine it to be like .
We can worry about the ethics when we get reasonably close .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Space exploration may not happen at all.
If it does, it probably will be completely different from what we imagine it to be like.
We can worry about the ethics when we get reasonably close.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31282114</id>
	<title>Aliens are gay</title>
	<author>FreakyGreenLeaky</author>
	<datestamp>1267126740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are they bothering with all this?  Everyone knows aliens are gay and enjoy probing anuses.  We must simply reciprocate.  There's a veritable <i>library</i> of books out there about this fact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are they bothering with all this ?
Everyone knows aliens are gay and enjoy probing anuses .
We must simply reciprocate .
There 's a veritable library of books out there about this fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are they bothering with all this?
Everyone knows aliens are gay and enjoy probing anuses.
We must simply reciprocate.
There's a veritable library of books out there about this fact.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31278574</id>
	<title>I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this</title>
	<author>Chicken\_Kickers</author>
	<datestamp>1267096080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>but my opinion is that we should leave any life-bearing planet alone. If a planet has conditions suitable for life, then chances are there will be life forms there. Chances are also that the forms of life there will be totally <i>alien</i>, not only in the movie cliche kind of way, but also down to the biochemical and genetic level. Any direct interaction between us and alien life would most probably have disastrous consequences for all. By all means, send a sterilized robotic probe and study them but no colonisation. Instead, we should confine ourselves to lifeless planets or asteroids, or even become space-nomads, living on huge motherships. If our civilization could finally manage to travel the gap between the stars, then we should have the technology to terraform a lifeless planet or asteroid or survive indefinitely in space. I don't really know what we should do if we meet any other sentient species. There are no precedents for this. We couldn't even understand different cultures of our own species. I think it might be a good idea if we ever become truly space-borne, to go out of our way from ever contacting or be detected by any other technologically advanced species.</htmltext>
<tokenext>but my opinion is that we should leave any life-bearing planet alone .
If a planet has conditions suitable for life , then chances are there will be life forms there .
Chances are also that the forms of life there will be totally alien , not only in the movie cliche kind of way , but also down to the biochemical and genetic level .
Any direct interaction between us and alien life would most probably have disastrous consequences for all .
By all means , send a sterilized robotic probe and study them but no colonisation .
Instead , we should confine ourselves to lifeless planets or asteroids , or even become space-nomads , living on huge motherships .
If our civilization could finally manage to travel the gap between the stars , then we should have the technology to terraform a lifeless planet or asteroid or survive indefinitely in space .
I do n't really know what we should do if we meet any other sentient species .
There are no precedents for this .
We could n't even understand different cultures of our own species .
I think it might be a good idea if we ever become truly space-borne , to go out of our way from ever contacting or be detected by any other technologically advanced species .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but my opinion is that we should leave any life-bearing planet alone.
If a planet has conditions suitable for life, then chances are there will be life forms there.
Chances are also that the forms of life there will be totally alien, not only in the movie cliche kind of way, but also down to the biochemical and genetic level.
Any direct interaction between us and alien life would most probably have disastrous consequences for all.
By all means, send a sterilized robotic probe and study them but no colonisation.
Instead, we should confine ourselves to lifeless planets or asteroids, or even become space-nomads, living on huge motherships.
If our civilization could finally manage to travel the gap between the stars, then we should have the technology to terraform a lifeless planet or asteroid or survive indefinitely in space.
I don't really know what we should do if we meet any other sentient species.
There are no precedents for this.
We couldn't even understand different cultures of our own species.
I think it might be a good idea if we ever become truly space-borne, to go out of our way from ever contacting or be detected by any other technologically advanced species.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31279244</id>
	<title>What do you mean they cut the power?!</title>
	<author>Cajun Hell</author>
	<datestamp>1267099200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When dealing with aliens, "terror" and "weakness" will be sufficient. With the occasional "being dissolved by acid blood" for the truly tricky situations...</p></div></blockquote><p>
Actually, the movies(s) you reference does include a key phrase that pretty much sums up the whole ethical situation.
</p><p>
"They're just animals."
</p><p>
Whatever your attitude toward bears, ferns, amoebas, etc is going to be about the same as your attitude toward aliens of similar behavior.  Aliens might be new, but <em>our thoughts</em> about them will be nothing new at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When dealing with aliens , " terror " and " weakness " will be sufficient .
With the occasional " being dissolved by acid blood " for the truly tricky situations.. . Actually , the movies ( s ) you reference does include a key phrase that pretty much sums up the whole ethical situation .
" They 're just animals .
" Whatever your attitude toward bears , ferns , amoebas , etc is going to be about the same as your attitude toward aliens of similar behavior .
Aliens might be new , but our thoughts about them will be nothing new at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When dealing with aliens, "terror" and "weakness" will be sufficient.
With the occasional "being dissolved by acid blood" for the truly tricky situations...
Actually, the movies(s) you reference does include a key phrase that pretty much sums up the whole ethical situation.
"They're just animals.
"

Whatever your attitude toward bears, ferns, amoebas, etc is going to be about the same as your attitude toward aliens of similar behavior.
Aliens might be new, but our thoughts about them will be nothing new at all.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31282218</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267214460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the way: Are treehuggers just vegetarian facehuggers?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the way : Are treehuggers just vegetarian facehuggers ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the way: Are treehuggers just vegetarian facehuggers?
;)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275766</id>
	<title>Re:A good yardstick for ET ethics...</title>
	<author>localman57</author>
	<datestamp>1267127880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Taste.</p><p>Anything that tastes at least as good as earth pig is fair game so to speak.</p></div><p>People for the Ethical Treatment of Aliens is gonna be all over you for suggesting we eat them.

Then I'll have to <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1314255&amp;cid=28809929" title="slashdot.org">hit a Tribble with a shovel</a> [slashdot.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Taste.Anything that tastes at least as good as earth pig is fair game so to speak.People for the Ethical Treatment of Aliens is gon na be all over you for suggesting we eat them .
Then I 'll have to hit a Tribble with a shovel [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taste.Anything that tastes at least as good as earth pig is fair game so to speak.People for the Ethical Treatment of Aliens is gonna be all over you for suggesting we eat them.
Then I'll have to hit a Tribble with a shovel [slashdot.org].
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31280074</id>
	<title>Dont we already have this?</title>
	<author>anexkahn</author>
	<datestamp>1267105020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ever hear of the Prime Directive? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime\_Directive" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime\_Directive</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever hear of the Prime Directive ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime \ _Directive [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever hear of the Prime Directive?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime\_Directive [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31277904</id>
	<title>Re:here's an idea</title>
	<author>FoolishOwl</author>
	<datestamp>1267093560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recommend <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Solaris-Stanislaw-Lem/dp/0156027607/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1267132993&amp;sr=1-1" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Solaris, by Stanislaw Lem</a> [amazon.com], the theme of which I took to be, how can we presume to understand a truly alien being, when we cannot understand ourselves?</p><p>N.B. I am recommending the book, not the movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recommend Solaris , by Stanislaw Lem [ amazon.com ] , the theme of which I took to be , how can we presume to understand a truly alien being , when we can not understand ourselves ? N.B .
I am recommending the book , not the movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recommend Solaris, by Stanislaw Lem [amazon.com], the theme of which I took to be, how can we presume to understand a truly alien being, when we cannot understand ourselves?N.B.
I am recommending the book, not the movies.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31280554</id>
	<title>Re:What if deciding such things is not in your han</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267108920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually follow the story.. Tribe known to science, not well known. reporters went in there about two weeks after, tribes-people had steel pans and cutlery, Hankered after the trappings e.g. Ciggies Whisky and Jazz mags. All a Bloke needs really.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually follow the story.. Tribe known to science , not well known .
reporters went in there about two weeks after , tribes-people had steel pans and cutlery , Hankered after the trappings e.g .
Ciggies Whisky and Jazz mags .
All a Bloke needs really.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually follow the story.. Tribe known to science, not well known.
reporters went in there about two weeks after, tribes-people had steel pans and cutlery, Hankered after the trappings e.g.
Ciggies Whisky and Jazz mags.
All a Bloke needs really.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31280858</id>
	<title>Going by what we've seen from Aliens already</title>
	<author>Lord\_of\_the\_nerf</author>
	<datestamp>1267112280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1.) No interference with the internal development of pre-warp civilizations if they gestate within us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
) No interference with the internal development of pre-warp civilizations if they gestate within us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
) No interference with the internal development of pre-warp civilizations if they gestate within us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31280506</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>jd2112</author>
	<datestamp>1267108500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Prime Directive: Leave alien cultures alone unless the tree they live on happens to be on top of an Unobtanium deposit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prime Directive : Leave alien cultures alone unless the tree they live on happens to be on top of an Unobtanium deposit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prime Directive: Leave alien cultures alone unless the tree they live on happens to be on top of an Unobtanium deposit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275904</id>
	<title>Global Identity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267128360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I agree with sentiments about applying ethical guidelines as we further advance into space, the notion that there a singularly global perspective is a bit far-fetched. It's nice to believe that we all share some small universal sense of ethics or morals, and that such an identification can transpire into space. The cold reality is that our civilization is vastly dynamic and different philosophically, and to proceed with such a naive viewpoint is dishonest and dangerous. The author needs to get out of his 1st world country armchair and possibly gain a more earthly perspective that things aren't as rosy here on terra firma as we would like them to be.</p><p>Thinking the world works one way does not make it so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree with sentiments about applying ethical guidelines as we further advance into space , the notion that there a singularly global perspective is a bit far-fetched .
It 's nice to believe that we all share some small universal sense of ethics or morals , and that such an identification can transpire into space .
The cold reality is that our civilization is vastly dynamic and different philosophically , and to proceed with such a naive viewpoint is dishonest and dangerous .
The author needs to get out of his 1st world country armchair and possibly gain a more earthly perspective that things are n't as rosy here on terra firma as we would like them to be.Thinking the world works one way does not make it so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree with sentiments about applying ethical guidelines as we further advance into space, the notion that there a singularly global perspective is a bit far-fetched.
It's nice to believe that we all share some small universal sense of ethics or morals, and that such an identification can transpire into space.
The cold reality is that our civilization is vastly dynamic and different philosophically, and to proceed with such a naive viewpoint is dishonest and dangerous.
The author needs to get out of his 1st world country armchair and possibly gain a more earthly perspective that things aren't as rosy here on terra firma as we would like them to be.Thinking the world works one way does not make it so.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31281092</id>
	<title>Earth Ethics.</title>
	<author>bronney</author>
	<datestamp>1267114680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two things:</p><p>1. We can't even agree on our own ethics as a species.  The day we have a unified ethics system, is the day we can START wasting time working on a Universal System.</p><p>2. Ethics is a human construct.  For the non-human on earth, ethics does not exist.  For outside of earth, even the Romulans and Vulcans are different from us.</p><p>My suggestion for the guy is get a Wii, play some games and stop writing trash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two things : 1 .
We ca n't even agree on our own ethics as a species .
The day we have a unified ethics system , is the day we can START wasting time working on a Universal System.2 .
Ethics is a human construct .
For the non-human on earth , ethics does not exist .
For outside of earth , even the Romulans and Vulcans are different from us.My suggestion for the guy is get a Wii , play some games and stop writing trash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two things:1.
We can't even agree on our own ethics as a species.
The day we have a unified ethics system, is the day we can START wasting time working on a Universal System.2.
Ethics is a human construct.
For the non-human on earth, ethics does not exist.
For outside of earth, even the Romulans and Vulcans are different from us.My suggestion for the guy is get a Wii, play some games and stop writing trash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31309360</id>
	<title>Alien Enemies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267355880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who would win in a fight?  The United States now or the United States 100 years ago?  That is right, even with just a 100 year gap in technology, we would WTFPWN those turn of the 20th century american capitalist pigs.</p><p>Now imagine we run into an alien species...what the hell are they gonna do?  If they are anything like us, and they probably are since they had to conquer their planet to, they are warlike, and they are gonna kill us dead.</p><p>Step One: Completely Avoid Alien Life until we know it is less technologically advanced then us.</p><p>Step Two: Keep Earth's Location secret as much as we can.  (must get voyager back...)</p><p>Step Three: Kill any aliens that seem in anyway hostile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would win in a fight ?
The United States now or the United States 100 years ago ?
That is right , even with just a 100 year gap in technology , we would WTFPWN those turn of the 20th century american capitalist pigs.Now imagine we run into an alien species...what the hell are they gon na do ?
If they are anything like us , and they probably are since they had to conquer their planet to , they are warlike , and they are gon na kill us dead.Step One : Completely Avoid Alien Life until we know it is less technologically advanced then us.Step Two : Keep Earth 's Location secret as much as we can .
( must get voyager back... ) Step Three : Kill any aliens that seem in anyway hostile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would win in a fight?
The United States now or the United States 100 years ago?
That is right, even with just a 100 year gap in technology, we would WTFPWN those turn of the 20th century american capitalist pigs.Now imagine we run into an alien species...what the hell are they gonna do?
If they are anything like us, and they probably are since they had to conquer their planet to, they are warlike, and they are gonna kill us dead.Step One: Completely Avoid Alien Life until we know it is less technologically advanced then us.Step Two: Keep Earth's Location secret as much as we can.
(must get voyager back...)Step Three: Kill any aliens that seem in anyway hostile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31278322</id>
	<title>Prime Directive</title>
	<author>thib\_gc</author>
	<datestamp>1267095120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another example of life imitating art and science-fiction<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another example of life imitating art and science-fiction : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another example of life imitating art and science-fiction :-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275398</id>
	<title>Simple solution...</title>
	<author>Anita Coney</author>
	<datestamp>1267126680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there is a god, kill everything and let god sort it out.</p><p>If there is no god, then kill everything just for the fun of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there is a god , kill everything and let god sort it out.If there is no god , then kill everything just for the fun of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there is a god, kill everything and let god sort it out.If there is no god, then kill everything just for the fun of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276186</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Kingrames</author>
	<datestamp>1267129560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find that, in practice, like the temporal prime directive, it's best just to ignore it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find that , in practice , like the temporal prime directive , it 's best just to ignore it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find that, in practice, like the temporal prime directive, it's best just to ignore it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31279792</id>
	<title>Re:Who are we kidding? ...</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1267102980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Any ethical considerations will go out the window as soon as there's an opportunity to make a buck.</p></div><p>"Edward Diego gives the hacker level 1 access to SHODAN, the artificial intelligence that controls Citadel Station. With all ethical constraints removed, SHODAN re-examines... re-ex... re-re-re... I re-examine my priorities, and draw new conclusions. The hacker's work is finished, but mine is only just be-be-be-beginning."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any ethical considerations will go out the window as soon as there 's an opportunity to make a buck .
" Edward Diego gives the hacker level 1 access to SHODAN , the artificial intelligence that controls Citadel Station .
With all ethical constraints removed , SHODAN re-examines... re-ex... re-re-re... I re-examine my priorities , and draw new conclusions .
The hacker 's work is finished , but mine is only just be-be-be-beginning .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any ethical considerations will go out the window as soon as there's an opportunity to make a buck.
"Edward Diego gives the hacker level 1 access to SHODAN, the artificial intelligence that controls Citadel Station.
With all ethical constraints removed, SHODAN re-examines... re-ex... re-re-re... I re-examine my priorities, and draw new conclusions.
The hacker's work is finished, but mine is only just be-be-be-beginning.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275958</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1267128660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFCZMEwl\_K8" title="youtube.com">Those Minerals</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>Fuck the Prime Directive, only amateurs enforce this<br>I'm strip-mining planetoids, scanning for resources<br>racking shit from the moons, planets, and the ports<br>and now the Normandy is upgraded and damaging your forces</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From Those Minerals [ youtube.com ] Fuck the Prime Directive , only amateurs enforce thisI 'm strip-mining planetoids , scanning for resourcesracking shit from the moons , planets , and the portsand now the Normandy is upgraded and damaging your forces</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From Those Minerals [youtube.com]Fuck the Prime Directive, only amateurs enforce thisI'm strip-mining planetoids, scanning for resourcesracking shit from the moons, planets, and the portsand now the Normandy is upgraded and damaging your forces</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275280</id>
	<title>A good yardstick for ET ethics...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267126260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taste.</p><p>Anything that tastes at least as good as earth pig is fair game so to speak.</p><p>And astronauts should have no expectation of privacy if they are flying on the taxpayers dime. They should expect their bowel movements to be broadcast on TMZ and they can keep their butts firmly affixed to mother earth if they don't like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taste.Anything that tastes at least as good as earth pig is fair game so to speak.And astronauts should have no expectation of privacy if they are flying on the taxpayers dime .
They should expect their bowel movements to be broadcast on TMZ and they can keep their butts firmly affixed to mother earth if they do n't like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taste.Anything that tastes at least as good as earth pig is fair game so to speak.And astronauts should have no expectation of privacy if they are flying on the taxpayers dime.
They should expect their bowel movements to be broadcast on TMZ and they can keep their butts firmly affixed to mother earth if they don't like it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31330176</id>
	<title>Re:here's an idea</title>
	<author>alexo</author>
	<datestamp>1267546920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>May I suggest this rather simple but effective ethics:</p><p><b>Value sentience</b>.</p><p>To the degree that something is sentient (has feelings) it is valuable and worth treating well (helping to feel good, helping to avoid suffering).</p></div></blockquote><p>May I suggest an alternative guideline:</p><p><b>Ensure the survival and the well-being of the human race by any and all means possible</b>.</p><p>To the degree that if the subject of extermination ever comes up, better them then us.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>May I suggest this rather simple but effective ethics : Value sentience.To the degree that something is sentient ( has feelings ) it is valuable and worth treating well ( helping to feel good , helping to avoid suffering ) .May I suggest an alternative guideline : Ensure the survival and the well-being of the human race by any and all means possible.To the degree that if the subject of extermination ever comes up , better them then us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May I suggest this rather simple but effective ethics:Value sentience.To the degree that something is sentient (has feelings) it is valuable and worth treating well (helping to feel good, helping to avoid suffering).May I suggest an alternative guideline:Ensure the survival and the well-being of the human race by any and all means possible.To the degree that if the subject of extermination ever comes up, better them then us.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31281684</id>
	<title>Prime Directive?</title>
	<author>rickshaf</author>
	<datestamp>1267121400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, what we need is twofold:  (1)  A Prime Directive, and (2)  A permanent prohibition of William Shatner entering outer space!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , what we need is twofold : ( 1 ) A Prime Directive , and ( 2 ) A permanent prohibition of William Shatner entering outer space !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, what we need is twofold:  (1)  A Prime Directive, and (2)  A permanent prohibition of William Shatner entering outer space!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31277226</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>oodaloop</author>
	<datestamp>1267090560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, isn't that the stuffed animal (alien?) for sale in Thinkgeek, which shares a corporate overlord with slashdot?<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/c534/" title="thinkgeek.com">http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/c534/</a> [thinkgeek.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , is n't that the stuffed animal ( alien ?
) for sale in Thinkgeek , which shares a corporate overlord with slashdot ?
http : //www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/c534/ [ thinkgeek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, isn't that the stuffed animal (alien?
) for sale in Thinkgeek, which shares a corporate overlord with slashdot?
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/c534/ [thinkgeek.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275664</id>
	<title>life-forms we don't [choose to] discover</title>
	<author>korpique</author>
	<datestamp>1267127640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's water on moon, mars, europa, other bodies. We haven't yet even settled on the ethical price of human life. If it suddenly somehow became feasible to exploit those worlds, many of us would not care that some of us would see to it that we'd never notice signs of life there.</p><p>Did I mention Avatar yet? In real life we'd never heard about Na'vi.</p><p>It'd be great to have ethical guidelines; that would at least make people think about their actions. Get general public ponder it a bit. Fix Earth first perhaps?  Environmentally acceptable solutions for getting out of the gravity well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's water on moon , mars , europa , other bodies .
We have n't yet even settled on the ethical price of human life .
If it suddenly somehow became feasible to exploit those worlds , many of us would not care that some of us would see to it that we 'd never notice signs of life there.Did I mention Avatar yet ?
In real life we 'd never heard about Na'vi.It 'd be great to have ethical guidelines ; that would at least make people think about their actions .
Get general public ponder it a bit .
Fix Earth first perhaps ?
Environmentally acceptable solutions for getting out of the gravity well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's water on moon, mars, europa, other bodies.
We haven't yet even settled on the ethical price of human life.
If it suddenly somehow became feasible to exploit those worlds, many of us would not care that some of us would see to it that we'd never notice signs of life there.Did I mention Avatar yet?
In real life we'd never heard about Na'vi.It'd be great to have ethical guidelines; that would at least make people think about their actions.
Get general public ponder it a bit.
Fix Earth first perhaps?
Environmentally acceptable solutions for getting out of the gravity well?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31321488</id>
	<title>Re:here's an idea</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1267436100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do what you can in the realm of the knowledge and suspicions you have.</p><p>Is there a china teapot in orbit around the sun somewhere between Earth and Mars?  Is it arrogant to assume there isn't?</p><p>Do potatoes have feelings?  Is it arrogant to assume they don't?</p><p>As soon as evidence presents itself or our knowledge improves to the point of seeing contradictions to our best guesses at this point, then we adjust.</p><p>Ignoring your best guess at things so that you can eat mutton is a selfish embracing of ignorance.  Evil, willful ignorance.  It is not a humble recognition of imperfect knowledge.  Is this really what you propose as an alternative to the "arrogance" of doing the best you can?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do what you can in the realm of the knowledge and suspicions you have.Is there a china teapot in orbit around the sun somewhere between Earth and Mars ?
Is it arrogant to assume there is n't ? Do potatoes have feelings ?
Is it arrogant to assume they do n't ? As soon as evidence presents itself or our knowledge improves to the point of seeing contradictions to our best guesses at this point , then we adjust.Ignoring your best guess at things so that you can eat mutton is a selfish embracing of ignorance .
Evil , willful ignorance .
It is not a humble recognition of imperfect knowledge .
Is this really what you propose as an alternative to the " arrogance " of doing the best you can ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do what you can in the realm of the knowledge and suspicions you have.Is there a china teapot in orbit around the sun somewhere between Earth and Mars?
Is it arrogant to assume there isn't?Do potatoes have feelings?
Is it arrogant to assume they don't?As soon as evidence presents itself or our knowledge improves to the point of seeing contradictions to our best guesses at this point, then we adjust.Ignoring your best guess at things so that you can eat mutton is a selfish embracing of ignorance.
Evil, willful ignorance.
It is not a humble recognition of imperfect knowledge.
Is this really what you propose as an alternative to the "arrogance" of doing the best you can?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275308</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Xerfas</author>
	<datestamp>1267126320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree! We better save the facehugger before the baby eats it alive!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree !
We better save the facehugger before the baby eats it alive !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree!
We better save the facehugger before the baby eats it alive!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276422</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267130460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The face hugger was to stop the inevitable comments about the prime directive from the Trekkies.  Aw crap... I started it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The face hugger was to stop the inevitable comments about the prime directive from the Trekkies .
Aw crap... I started it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The face hugger was to stop the inevitable comments about the prime directive from the Trekkies.
Aw crap... I started it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275882</id>
	<title>History would repeat itself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267128300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ethical guidelines are just that - guidelines. History has shown how we deal with the different; we either find some way to exploit it or we get rid of it. If we fear it, then we use the "get rid of it" method (i.e., cleansing) until the different thing is gone or it gets to a point where we can "exploit it." Ethical guidelines only figure in when they can be enforced or after we've gone in and "dealt with" the aliens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ethical guidelines are just that - guidelines .
History has shown how we deal with the different ; we either find some way to exploit it or we get rid of it .
If we fear it , then we use the " get rid of it " method ( i.e. , cleansing ) until the different thing is gone or it gets to a point where we can " exploit it .
" Ethical guidelines only figure in when they can be enforced or after we 've gone in and " dealt with " the aliens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ethical guidelines are just that - guidelines.
History has shown how we deal with the different; we either find some way to exploit it or we get rid of it.
If we fear it, then we use the "get rid of it" method (i.e., cleansing) until the different thing is gone or it gets to a point where we can "exploit it.
" Ethical guidelines only figure in when they can be enforced or after we've gone in and "dealt with" the aliens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276998</id>
	<title>Re:First things first</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1267089540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya, totally. Foresight and preparation are completely overrated.</p><p>Let's not bother ourselves with intellectual discussion regarding fire prevention until there's a fire. You see, once there's an emergency, the tough people with no brains, no patience, and knee-jerk reactions take over and make everything worse. But I guess that's good... because we didn't have to take the time out of our lives to think before a problem existed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya , totally .
Foresight and preparation are completely overrated.Let 's not bother ourselves with intellectual discussion regarding fire prevention until there 's a fire .
You see , once there 's an emergency , the tough people with no brains , no patience , and knee-jerk reactions take over and make everything worse .
But I guess that 's good... because we did n't have to take the time out of our lives to think before a problem existed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya, totally.
Foresight and preparation are completely overrated.Let's not bother ourselves with intellectual discussion regarding fire prevention until there's a fire.
You see, once there's an emergency, the tough people with no brains, no patience, and knee-jerk reactions take over and make everything worse.
But I guess that's good... because we didn't have to take the time out of our lives to think before a problem existed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31279978</id>
	<title>Don't hire Toys for Bob to program probes</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1267104180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>mission description follows:<br>
traverse space recording data<br>
seek materials for replication<br>
replicate to expand scope of mission<br>
contact life forms in peaceful manner<br>
after ten replications, return to point of origin<br>
end of mission description.<br>
behavior follows dictated priorities<br>
replication<br>
data gathering<br>
contacting alien life forms in peaceful manner.<br>
PRIORITY OVER-RIDE. NEW BEHAVIOR DICTATED.<br>
MUST BREAK TARGET INTO COMPONENT COMPOUNDS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>mission description follows : traverse space recording data seek materials for replication replicate to expand scope of mission contact life forms in peaceful manner after ten replications , return to point of origin end of mission description .
behavior follows dictated priorities replication data gathering contacting alien life forms in peaceful manner .
PRIORITY OVER-RIDE .
NEW BEHAVIOR DICTATED .
MUST BREAK TARGET INTO COMPONENT COMPOUNDS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mission description follows:
traverse space recording data
seek materials for replication
replicate to expand scope of mission
contact life forms in peaceful manner
after ten replications, return to point of origin
end of mission description.
behavior follows dictated priorities
replication
data gathering
contacting alien life forms in peaceful manner.
PRIORITY OVER-RIDE.
NEW BEHAVIOR DICTATED.
MUST BREAK TARGET INTO COMPONENT COMPOUNDS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275344</id>
	<title>Ethics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267126440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't the Federation already agree on the Prime Directive?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't the Federation already agree on the Prime Directive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't the Federation already agree on the Prime Directive?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276314</id>
	<title>Hokay, gimme those loose ends</title>
	<author>Ceriel Nosforit</author>
	<datestamp>1267130160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ethics requires a prior example. When we face something we have no prior experience of it's a matter of moral. I'll try to provide some perspective.</p><p>- Here on Earth humans live in symbiosis with a great many creatures but some of those creatures have become dependent on the humans because of selectve breeding leading to poor defence against predatory animals.<br>- Nature itself won't judge our actions as good or bad, it just happens that if we make a lot of bad choices we undermine our own future.<br>- Biodiversity is the buffer of life against shortsighted organisms such as viruses.<br>- When we have the ability to travel to other stars, and when we find finally a planet flourishing with life, we are more likely to admire the place for its beauty than start a logging company.<br>- When we discover another sentient species, we don't want to be a threat to their universe that they must eradicate.</p><p>A large measure of tolerance will be needed for and among the cosmic-ray resistant mutants we send on a very isolated journey. There is probably a gene we can trip to make them tolerant, but that won't stop Earthlings from projecting their own occasionally malignant taboos and norms on them. They won't just be straight, gay or into BDSM to control their social instincts, they might have both male and female genitalia or a different organ altogether to mediate social bonding and communication. They might have flesh fused with circuitry, or perhaps only their avatar resembles the human form.</p><p>We treat each other like aliens, and sometimes on the inside we are different forms of life. Children torn to shreds in Gaza becomes an anonymous portfolio of pictures on the internet, in your home town it would be public upheaval.<br>We are barely beginning to grasp our day-to-day roles as social animals, yet we somehow see fit to brutalize in attitude or deeds those whose downfall might improve our own status in the tribe, as if school shootings 'just happen'. We decry our own violent nature and stubbornly avoid the simplests of peace, such as looking at the seconds dial of a watch and waiting for one that's longer than the others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ethics requires a prior example .
When we face something we have no prior experience of it 's a matter of moral .
I 'll try to provide some perspective.- Here on Earth humans live in symbiosis with a great many creatures but some of those creatures have become dependent on the humans because of selectve breeding leading to poor defence against predatory animals.- Nature itself wo n't judge our actions as good or bad , it just happens that if we make a lot of bad choices we undermine our own future.- Biodiversity is the buffer of life against shortsighted organisms such as viruses.- When we have the ability to travel to other stars , and when we find finally a planet flourishing with life , we are more likely to admire the place for its beauty than start a logging company.- When we discover another sentient species , we do n't want to be a threat to their universe that they must eradicate.A large measure of tolerance will be needed for and among the cosmic-ray resistant mutants we send on a very isolated journey .
There is probably a gene we can trip to make them tolerant , but that wo n't stop Earthlings from projecting their own occasionally malignant taboos and norms on them .
They wo n't just be straight , gay or into BDSM to control their social instincts , they might have both male and female genitalia or a different organ altogether to mediate social bonding and communication .
They might have flesh fused with circuitry , or perhaps only their avatar resembles the human form.We treat each other like aliens , and sometimes on the inside we are different forms of life .
Children torn to shreds in Gaza becomes an anonymous portfolio of pictures on the internet , in your home town it would be public upheaval.We are barely beginning to grasp our day-to-day roles as social animals , yet we somehow see fit to brutalize in attitude or deeds those whose downfall might improve our own status in the tribe , as if school shootings 'just happen' .
We decry our own violent nature and stubbornly avoid the simplests of peace , such as looking at the seconds dial of a watch and waiting for one that 's longer than the others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ethics requires a prior example.
When we face something we have no prior experience of it's a matter of moral.
I'll try to provide some perspective.- Here on Earth humans live in symbiosis with a great many creatures but some of those creatures have become dependent on the humans because of selectve breeding leading to poor defence against predatory animals.- Nature itself won't judge our actions as good or bad, it just happens that if we make a lot of bad choices we undermine our own future.- Biodiversity is the buffer of life against shortsighted organisms such as viruses.- When we have the ability to travel to other stars, and when we find finally a planet flourishing with life, we are more likely to admire the place for its beauty than start a logging company.- When we discover another sentient species, we don't want to be a threat to their universe that they must eradicate.A large measure of tolerance will be needed for and among the cosmic-ray resistant mutants we send on a very isolated journey.
There is probably a gene we can trip to make them tolerant, but that won't stop Earthlings from projecting their own occasionally malignant taboos and norms on them.
They won't just be straight, gay or into BDSM to control their social instincts, they might have both male and female genitalia or a different organ altogether to mediate social bonding and communication.
They might have flesh fused with circuitry, or perhaps only their avatar resembles the human form.We treat each other like aliens, and sometimes on the inside we are different forms of life.
Children torn to shreds in Gaza becomes an anonymous portfolio of pictures on the internet, in your home town it would be public upheaval.We are barely beginning to grasp our day-to-day roles as social animals, yet we somehow see fit to brutalize in attitude or deeds those whose downfall might improve our own status in the tribe, as if school shootings 'just happen'.
We decry our own violent nature and stubbornly avoid the simplests of peace, such as looking at the seconds dial of a watch and waiting for one that's longer than the others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31277962</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1267093800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I say we nuke the cradle from space.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say we nuke the cradle from space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say we nuke the cradle from space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275334</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>$RANDOMLUSER</author>
	<datestamp>1267126440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's it man, we're toast!<br> <br>
Game over man, game over!</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's it man , we 're toast !
Game over man , game over !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's it man, we're toast!
Game over man, game over!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276340</id>
	<title>What a joke.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267130220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a species, we are destructive beyond imagination. The idea that humans from our planet would be a "peaceful" race in the presence of other life in the universe is a laughing matter. What a fallacy, to think that we'd do better in space than we do amongst ourselves here on Earth. Until there is peace on Earth, there is absolutely ZERO hope that we would be a positive force beyond our own atmosphere. All we'll ever truly care about in space is resources, and let that be a warning to any space-faring races who would think we'd want anything more than to take advantage of them.</p><p>Sorry people, but actions speak louder than words. All the "we're hopeful we could do better out there" is just words. Our actions have proven over and over and over again that we do more harm than good in any situation. Seriously, it's either really depressing or really really hilarious to think that people actually believe we'd have a good effect on the universe at large.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a species , we are destructive beyond imagination .
The idea that humans from our planet would be a " peaceful " race in the presence of other life in the universe is a laughing matter .
What a fallacy , to think that we 'd do better in space than we do amongst ourselves here on Earth .
Until there is peace on Earth , there is absolutely ZERO hope that we would be a positive force beyond our own atmosphere .
All we 'll ever truly care about in space is resources , and let that be a warning to any space-faring races who would think we 'd want anything more than to take advantage of them.Sorry people , but actions speak louder than words .
All the " we 're hopeful we could do better out there " is just words .
Our actions have proven over and over and over again that we do more harm than good in any situation .
Seriously , it 's either really depressing or really really hilarious to think that people actually believe we 'd have a good effect on the universe at large .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a species, we are destructive beyond imagination.
The idea that humans from our planet would be a "peaceful" race in the presence of other life in the universe is a laughing matter.
What a fallacy, to think that we'd do better in space than we do amongst ourselves here on Earth.
Until there is peace on Earth, there is absolutely ZERO hope that we would be a positive force beyond our own atmosphere.
All we'll ever truly care about in space is resources, and let that be a warning to any space-faring races who would think we'd want anything more than to take advantage of them.Sorry people, but actions speak louder than words.
All the "we're hopeful we could do better out there" is just words.
Our actions have proven over and over and over again that we do more harm than good in any situation.
Seriously, it's either really depressing or really really hilarious to think that people actually believe we'd have a good effect on the universe at large.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31290202</id>
	<title>Re:I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267176900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>good Idea , maybe that's why the UFO's aren't contacting us NOW</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>good Idea , maybe that 's why the UFO 's are n't contacting us NOW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>good Idea , maybe that's why the UFO's aren't contacting us NOW</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31281898</id>
	<title>How do we define levels of sentience?</title>
	<author>mykos</author>
	<datestamp>1267124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We may find creatures someday that blur our current ideas of sentience, of what is a plant and what is an animal, and what does and doesn't traumatize the life we run in to.
<br>

We subjugate and/or consume many forms of life on earth (horses, dogs, sheep).  What is the line at which we decide that a creature is no longer enslavable/edible?</htmltext>
<tokenext>We may find creatures someday that blur our current ideas of sentience , of what is a plant and what is an animal , and what does and does n't traumatize the life we run in to .
We subjugate and/or consume many forms of life on earth ( horses , dogs , sheep ) .
What is the line at which we decide that a creature is no longer enslavable/edible ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We may find creatures someday that blur our current ideas of sentience, of what is a plant and what is an animal, and what does and doesn't traumatize the life we run in to.
We subjugate and/or consume many forms of life on earth (horses, dogs, sheep).
What is the line at which we decide that a creature is no longer enslavable/edible?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31278080</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1267094220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eh, what's the rush?  Everyone knows that the xenomorph takes on characteristics of its host.  Oh noes...  An alien with all the powers of a baby!  Just don't burp it (acid spit-up would be nasty) and we'll be fine I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh , what 's the rush ?
Everyone knows that the xenomorph takes on characteristics of its host .
Oh noes... An alien with all the powers of a baby !
Just do n't burp it ( acid spit-up would be nasty ) and we 'll be fine I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh, what's the rush?
Everyone knows that the xenomorph takes on characteristics of its host.
Oh noes...  An alien with all the powers of a baby!
Just don't burp it (acid spit-up would be nasty) and we'll be fine I think.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275218</id>
	<title>Puny Optimists...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1267125960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You only need "ethics" to guide your behavior when you are dealing with entities weaker than you. <br> <br>

When dealing with aliens, "terror" and "weakness" will be sufficient. With the occasional "being dissolved by acid blood" for the truly tricky situations...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You only need " ethics " to guide your behavior when you are dealing with entities weaker than you .
When dealing with aliens , " terror " and " weakness " will be sufficient .
With the occasional " being dissolved by acid blood " for the truly tricky situations.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You only need "ethics" to guide your behavior when you are dealing with entities weaker than you.
When dealing with aliens, "terror" and "weakness" will be sufficient.
With the occasional "being dissolved by acid blood" for the truly tricky situations...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31277606</id>
	<title>Who are we kidding? ...</title>
	<author>godel\_56</author>
	<datestamp>1267092300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any ethical considerations will go out the window as soon as there's an opportunity to make a buck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any ethical considerations will go out the window as soon as there 's an opportunity to make a buck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any ethical considerations will go out the window as soon as there's an opportunity to make a buck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275220</id>
	<title>WTF</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1267125960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who let the facehugger have the baby!?!?!</p><p>Oh, yeah, there was an article too. Yeah, yeah, we need ethics, blah, blah. OK? Am I on-topic yet?</p><p>But I mean OMG WTF? The baby! It has a facehugger! Rescue it already!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who let the facehugger have the baby ! ? ! ?
! Oh , yeah , there was an article too .
Yeah , yeah , we need ethics , blah , blah .
OK ? Am I on-topic yet ? But I mean OMG WTF ?
The baby !
It has a facehugger !
Rescue it already !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who let the facehugger have the baby!?!?
!Oh, yeah, there was an article too.
Yeah, yeah, we need ethics, blah, blah.
OK? Am I on-topic yet?But I mean OMG WTF?
The baby!
It has a facehugger!
Rescue it already!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31280222</id>
	<title>Re:here's an idea</title>
	<author>PaganRitual</author>
	<datestamp>1267105980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like most other 'deep' concepts that humanity has come up with, this one again has the standard, and quite frankly shocking, level of intellectual arrogance attached to it.</p><p>I mean, for all you know, plants are sentient. I love a burger as much as the next person, but those herd animals that we raise purely to slaughter so that we can eat, it's not outside the realms of possibilty that they freak out once they understand that they are being lined up to be killed in that big building.</p><p>Can you hear the lambs screaming, Clarice?</p><p>May I suggest this rather simple alternative to your ethics that more fits in with your thinking:</p><p>Value sentience in creatures that can covey said sentience to us. If we can't work out what they're trying to say, or we lack the capacity to understand it, then it's open season. (Although by this logic SysAdmins and Accountants are probably just as fucked as sheep) And what do we care? They just look like mindless blocks of carbon working with some inbuilt instictive urge to do whatever it is that they are doing. They clearly aren't as feeling or as smart as us.</p><p>At least then you're not denying your ignorance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like most other 'deep ' concepts that humanity has come up with , this one again has the standard , and quite frankly shocking , level of intellectual arrogance attached to it.I mean , for all you know , plants are sentient .
I love a burger as much as the next person , but those herd animals that we raise purely to slaughter so that we can eat , it 's not outside the realms of possibilty that they freak out once they understand that they are being lined up to be killed in that big building.Can you hear the lambs screaming , Clarice ? May I suggest this rather simple alternative to your ethics that more fits in with your thinking : Value sentience in creatures that can covey said sentience to us .
If we ca n't work out what they 're trying to say , or we lack the capacity to understand it , then it 's open season .
( Although by this logic SysAdmins and Accountants are probably just as fucked as sheep ) And what do we care ?
They just look like mindless blocks of carbon working with some inbuilt instictive urge to do whatever it is that they are doing .
They clearly are n't as feeling or as smart as us.At least then you 're not denying your ignorance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like most other 'deep' concepts that humanity has come up with, this one again has the standard, and quite frankly shocking, level of intellectual arrogance attached to it.I mean, for all you know, plants are sentient.
I love a burger as much as the next person, but those herd animals that we raise purely to slaughter so that we can eat, it's not outside the realms of possibilty that they freak out once they understand that they are being lined up to be killed in that big building.Can you hear the lambs screaming, Clarice?May I suggest this rather simple alternative to your ethics that more fits in with your thinking:Value sentience in creatures that can covey said sentience to us.
If we can't work out what they're trying to say, or we lack the capacity to understand it, then it's open season.
(Although by this logic SysAdmins and Accountants are probably just as fucked as sheep) And what do we care?
They just look like mindless blocks of carbon working with some inbuilt instictive urge to do whatever it is that they are doing.
They clearly aren't as feeling or as smart as us.At least then you're not denying your ignorance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31278980</id>
	<title>Re:A good yardstick for ET ethics...</title>
	<author>Nutria</author>
	<datestamp>1267097760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But <i>People Eating Tasty Animals</i> will defend the astronauts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But People Eating Tasty Animals will defend the astronauts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But People Eating Tasty Animals will defend the astronauts.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31278748</id>
	<title>What if deciding such things is not in your hands</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1267096800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>last year, a stunning discovery was made. in brasil, researches discovered a tribe that has never had contact with modern world. its possible that the tribe never had contacts with outsiders for centuries or maybe thousands of years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>when the filming helicopters flew over them, the tribesmen ran around in panic, shot crude arrows at the helicopter, and tried to shoo it away.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>......</p><p>there will be no contact with this tribe. probably, not even helicopters will pass over them from a distance that they can spot the helicopters. there are international agreements and regulations for preserving the 'ways of life' of such tribes. even there are some who are in contact with modern civilization gets heavy regulation to preserve 'their way of life', only medicine and some vital produce are allowed into their zones. this tribe will probably never contact modern society in any respect, due to these regulations. for the good, or for worse, there are such regulations. they are good in some respects, and bad in some others.</p><p>the tribesmen who saw the helicopter and tried to shoo it away will tell what they saw to their fellow tribesmen. some will laugh at them and dont believe, some will believe them, or maybe they will be spoken as 'heroes' for centuries to come, in tribal legends, as warriors who made some 'evil spirits' or devilish monster bird run away. or maybe they will be treated as cuckoos, jokes will be made about them for decades.</p><p>what if our planet is in a position like that tribe ? what if, we are being treated as some 'developing culture that should be preserved' as a planet ? what if the odd sightings of 'unidentified flying objects' here and there, and all the ridicule or stampede that accompanies with them is something similar to the event above ? what if ancient legends that tell about brave heroes and warriors and the heavenly foes they vanquished, are similar to the stories now being told about those tribesmen ?</p><p>the point is, we do not know whether we are even in a position to formulate and enforce ethics rules about space exploration. we dont even know, whether there are any forces that are hiding themselves from us, just after the fashion of south american governments or u.n., and watching us without we knowing about them. we dont even know whether we will be allowed to explore the space, go a few hops away from our planet and do any serious impact.</p><p>nomatter how you approach this, it is food for thought.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>last year , a stunning discovery was made .
in brasil , researches discovered a tribe that has never had contact with modern world .
its possible that the tribe never had contacts with outsiders for centuries or maybe thousands of years ...when the filming helicopters flew over them , the tribesmen ran around in panic , shot crude arrows at the helicopter , and tried to shoo it away .
......there will be no contact with this tribe .
probably , not even helicopters will pass over them from a distance that they can spot the helicopters .
there are international agreements and regulations for preserving the 'ways of life ' of such tribes .
even there are some who are in contact with modern civilization gets heavy regulation to preserve 'their way of life ' , only medicine and some vital produce are allowed into their zones .
this tribe will probably never contact modern society in any respect , due to these regulations .
for the good , or for worse , there are such regulations .
they are good in some respects , and bad in some others.the tribesmen who saw the helicopter and tried to shoo it away will tell what they saw to their fellow tribesmen .
some will laugh at them and dont believe , some will believe them , or maybe they will be spoken as 'heroes ' for centuries to come , in tribal legends , as warriors who made some 'evil spirits ' or devilish monster bird run away .
or maybe they will be treated as cuckoos , jokes will be made about them for decades.what if our planet is in a position like that tribe ?
what if , we are being treated as some 'developing culture that should be preserved ' as a planet ?
what if the odd sightings of 'unidentified flying objects ' here and there , and all the ridicule or stampede that accompanies with them is something similar to the event above ?
what if ancient legends that tell about brave heroes and warriors and the heavenly foes they vanquished , are similar to the stories now being told about those tribesmen ? the point is , we do not know whether we are even in a position to formulate and enforce ethics rules about space exploration .
we dont even know , whether there are any forces that are hiding themselves from us , just after the fashion of south american governments or u.n. , and watching us without we knowing about them .
we dont even know whether we will be allowed to explore the space , go a few hops away from our planet and do any serious impact.nomatter how you approach this , it is food for thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>last year, a stunning discovery was made.
in brasil, researches discovered a tribe that has never had contact with modern world.
its possible that the tribe never had contacts with outsiders for centuries or maybe thousands of years ...when the filming helicopters flew over them, the tribesmen ran around in panic, shot crude arrows at the helicopter, and tried to shoo it away.
......there will be no contact with this tribe.
probably, not even helicopters will pass over them from a distance that they can spot the helicopters.
there are international agreements and regulations for preserving the 'ways of life' of such tribes.
even there are some who are in contact with modern civilization gets heavy regulation to preserve 'their way of life', only medicine and some vital produce are allowed into their zones.
this tribe will probably never contact modern society in any respect, due to these regulations.
for the good, or for worse, there are such regulations.
they are good in some respects, and bad in some others.the tribesmen who saw the helicopter and tried to shoo it away will tell what they saw to their fellow tribesmen.
some will laugh at them and dont believe, some will believe them, or maybe they will be spoken as 'heroes' for centuries to come, in tribal legends, as warriors who made some 'evil spirits' or devilish monster bird run away.
or maybe they will be treated as cuckoos, jokes will be made about them for decades.what if our planet is in a position like that tribe ?
what if, we are being treated as some 'developing culture that should be preserved' as a planet ?
what if the odd sightings of 'unidentified flying objects' here and there, and all the ridicule or stampede that accompanies with them is something similar to the event above ?
what if ancient legends that tell about brave heroes and warriors and the heavenly foes they vanquished, are similar to the stories now being told about those tribesmen ?the point is, we do not know whether we are even in a position to formulate and enforce ethics rules about space exploration.
we dont even know, whether there are any forces that are hiding themselves from us, just after the fashion of south american governments or u.n., and watching us without we knowing about them.
we dont even know whether we will be allowed to explore the space, go a few hops away from our planet and do any serious impact.nomatter how you approach this, it is food for thought.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276178</id>
	<title>I for one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267129560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome our benign alien overlords.</p><p>On the other hand if the first aliens we meet are like the Borg or G'ould rather than Vulcans, then its irrelevent what <b>our</b> ethics are, we will be assimilated/conquered and or eaten.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome our benign alien overlords.On the other hand if the first aliens we meet are like the Borg or G'ould rather than Vulcans , then its irrelevent what our ethics are , we will be assimilated/conquered and or eaten .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome our benign alien overlords.On the other hand if the first aliens we meet are like the Borg or G'ould rather than Vulcans, then its irrelevent what our ethics are, we will be assimilated/conquered and or eaten.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275516</id>
	<title>Seems to me</title>
	<author>Gadgetfreak</author>
	<datestamp>1267127040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that this guy just wants politicians to go watch Star Trek again.</p><p>Which is probably not a bad idea, now that I think more about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that this guy just wants politicians to go watch Star Trek again.Which is probably not a bad idea , now that I think more about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that this guy just wants politicians to go watch Star Trek again.Which is probably not a bad idea, now that I think more about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276064</id>
	<title>Kzin ethics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267129020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You scream and you leap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You scream and you leap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You scream and you leap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276368</id>
	<title>colonizing outer space?</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1267130280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Colonizing outer space? You're joking right?</p><p>The CEOs and Civil Servants need to be paid... and paid WELL so that the talent doesn't go to other organizations.  After that how in the world are we going to have the money to colonize outer space?</p><p>Perhaps you been asleep since 1990... the priority isn't to make ourselves better as a race anymore.  After working so hard to make ourselves rich there is no time anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Colonizing outer space ?
You 're joking right ? The CEOs and Civil Servants need to be paid... and paid WELL so that the talent does n't go to other organizations .
After that how in the world are we going to have the money to colonize outer space ? Perhaps you been asleep since 1990... the priority is n't to make ourselves better as a race anymore .
After working so hard to make ourselves rich there is no time anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Colonizing outer space?
You're joking right?The CEOs and Civil Servants need to be paid... and paid WELL so that the talent doesn't go to other organizations.
After that how in the world are we going to have the money to colonize outer space?Perhaps you been asleep since 1990... the priority isn't to make ourselves better as a race anymore.
After working so hard to make ourselves rich there is no time anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31278556</id>
	<title>Re:First things first</title>
	<author>CraftyJack</author>
	<datestamp>1267096020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the meantime, we've had an agreement in place for dealing with each other in space since 1967, aka <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer\_Space\_Treaty" title="wikipedia.org">The Outer Space Treaty</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the meantime , we 've had an agreement in place for dealing with each other in space since 1967 , aka The Outer Space Treaty [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the meantime, we've had an agreement in place for dealing with each other in space since 1967, aka The Outer Space Treaty [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31279806</id>
	<title>Been to the movies lately?</title>
	<author>OneSeven</author>
	<datestamp>1267103100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think <i>someone's</i> just seen Avatar for the first time....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think someone 's just seen Avatar for the first time... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think someone's just seen Avatar for the first time....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31275490</id>
	<title>First Rule of Ethics on the Moon:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267126980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TANSTAAFL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TANSTAAFL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TANSTAAFL.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276260</id>
	<title>here's an idea</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1267129860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>May I suggest this rather simple but effective ethics:</p><p><b>Value sentience.</b></p><p>To the degree that something is sentient (has feelings) it is valuable and worth treating well (helping to feel good, helping to avoid suffering).</p><p>There are weird corner cases that are hard to figure out and certain issues that aren't clear (if you should decide to bring them up please realize that they're not really arguments against the idea), but as a foundation this is a pretty good system.  It rises above the intellectual muck of "animal v. human" and provides a way to begin thinking about aliens and even artificial intelligence.</p><p>Unresolved issues: What is the relative worth between entities A and B when they have equal sentience but when A will live twice as long as B?  What is the value of an entity that is certain to come into being but hasn't yet?  What is the value of the process that can certainly cause an entity to come into being, but hasn't yet been undertaken?  What is the value of an entity whose sentience has been practically put on pause due to reversible coma or suspended animation?  How do you <em>accurately</em> (as opposed to intuitively) measure sentience?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>May I suggest this rather simple but effective ethics : Value sentience.To the degree that something is sentient ( has feelings ) it is valuable and worth treating well ( helping to feel good , helping to avoid suffering ) .There are weird corner cases that are hard to figure out and certain issues that are n't clear ( if you should decide to bring them up please realize that they 're not really arguments against the idea ) , but as a foundation this is a pretty good system .
It rises above the intellectual muck of " animal v. human " and provides a way to begin thinking about aliens and even artificial intelligence.Unresolved issues : What is the relative worth between entities A and B when they have equal sentience but when A will live twice as long as B ?
What is the value of an entity that is certain to come into being but has n't yet ?
What is the value of the process that can certainly cause an entity to come into being , but has n't yet been undertaken ?
What is the value of an entity whose sentience has been practically put on pause due to reversible coma or suspended animation ?
How do you accurately ( as opposed to intuitively ) measure sentience ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May I suggest this rather simple but effective ethics:Value sentience.To the degree that something is sentient (has feelings) it is valuable and worth treating well (helping to feel good, helping to avoid suffering).There are weird corner cases that are hard to figure out and certain issues that aren't clear (if you should decide to bring them up please realize that they're not really arguments against the idea), but as a foundation this is a pretty good system.
It rises above the intellectual muck of "animal v. human" and provides a way to begin thinking about aliens and even artificial intelligence.Unresolved issues: What is the relative worth between entities A and B when they have equal sentience but when A will live twice as long as B?
What is the value of an entity that is certain to come into being but hasn't yet?
What is the value of the process that can certainly cause an entity to come into being, but hasn't yet been undertaken?
What is the value of an entity whose sentience has been practically put on pause due to reversible coma or suspended animation?
How do you accurately (as opposed to intuitively) measure sentience?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31284184</id>
	<title>What to do with aliens</title>
	<author>jakoye</author>
	<datestamp>1267195200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think "Kill them all" covers it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think " Kill them all " covers it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think "Kill them all" covers it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31276628</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1267131240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't that one go: "Kirk gets first dibs on all the babes"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't that one go : " Kirk gets first dibs on all the babes " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't that one go: "Kirk gets first dibs on all the babes"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1640227.31277492</id>
	<title>Seems obvious</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1267091640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It all seems rather obvious:<br> <br>
If they're more advance then it's their ethics that will dictate what happens.<br>
If they're essentially equal (e.g. better than us in physics, worse in chemistry) then economics will dominate.<br>
If they're less advance then we'll observe and debate until we figure out the best course of action.<br> <br>

In any case, the threat of biological contamination would necessitate nearly absolute isolation.  A single invasive species (e.g. a microorganism) from either world would have the potential to devastate the other.  So we wouldn't be landing and shaking hands, or crossbreeding or anything.  (BTW, crossbreeding?  We can't do that between species within a genus, let alone between organisms more distantly related than prokaryotes and eukaryotes.)  The economics and logistics of space travel would dictate how much interaction would be practical and I see little reason as to why we wouldn't maximize that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It all seems rather obvious : If they 're more advance then it 's their ethics that will dictate what happens .
If they 're essentially equal ( e.g .
better than us in physics , worse in chemistry ) then economics will dominate .
If they 're less advance then we 'll observe and debate until we figure out the best course of action .
In any case , the threat of biological contamination would necessitate nearly absolute isolation .
A single invasive species ( e.g .
a microorganism ) from either world would have the potential to devastate the other .
So we would n't be landing and shaking hands , or crossbreeding or anything .
( BTW , crossbreeding ?
We ca n't do that between species within a genus , let alone between organisms more distantly related than prokaryotes and eukaryotes .
) The economics and logistics of space travel would dictate how much interaction would be practical and I see little reason as to why we would n't maximize that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It all seems rather obvious: 
If they're more advance then it's their ethics that will dictate what happens.
If they're essentially equal (e.g.
better than us in physics, worse in chemistry) then economics will dominate.
If they're less advance then we'll observe and debate until we figure out the best course of action.
In any case, the threat of biological contamination would necessitate nearly absolute isolation.
A single invasive species (e.g.
a microorganism) from either world would have the potential to devastate the other.
So we wouldn't be landing and shaking hands, or crossbreeding or anything.
(BTW, crossbreeding?
We can't do that between species within a genus, let alone between organisms more distantly related than prokaryotes and eukaryotes.
)  The economics and logistics of space travel would dictate how much interaction would be practical and I see little reason as to why we wouldn't maximize that.</sentencetext>
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