<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_24_0325252</id>
	<title>AU Internet Censorship Spells Bad News For Gamers</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1267035060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"Kotaku is running an investigative piece <a href="http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/how-australias-proposed-internet-censorship-will-and-wont-affect-video-games/">examining what internet censorship means for games in Australia</a>.  Australia has some of <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/09/18/0315254/Left-4-Dead-2-Banned-In-Australia">the most draconian video game attitudes</a> in the world, and the phrase 'refused classification' should strike fear in game developers and publishers looking to market games there.  Internet censorship may expand this phrase to mean that anybody hosting anything about the game may suffer censorship in AU.  Kotaku notes, 'This means that if a game is refused classification (RC) in Australia &mdash; like, say, <em>NFL Blitz</em>, or <em>Getting Up</em> &mdash; content related to these games would be added to the ISP filter. [This would bring up] a range of questions, foremost of those being: what happens when an otherwise harmless website ... hosts material from those games (screenshots, trailers, etc) that is totally fine in the US or Japan or Europe, but that has been refused classification in Australia?'  Kotaku received a comment from the Australian Department of Broadband Communication promising that the whole website won't be blocked, just the material related to the game (videos, images, etc).  Imagine maintaining that blacklist!"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Kotaku is running an investigative piece examining what internet censorship means for games in Australia .
Australia has some of the most draconian video game attitudes in the world , and the phrase 'refused classification ' should strike fear in game developers and publishers looking to market games there .
Internet censorship may expand this phrase to mean that anybody hosting anything about the game may suffer censorship in AU .
Kotaku notes , 'This means that if a game is refused classification ( RC ) in Australia    like , say , NFL Blitz , or Getting Up    content related to these games would be added to the ISP filter .
[ This would bring up ] a range of questions , foremost of those being : what happens when an otherwise harmless website ... hosts material from those games ( screenshots , trailers , etc ) that is totally fine in the US or Japan or Europe , but that has been refused classification in Australia ?
' Kotaku received a comment from the Australian Department of Broadband Communication promising that the whole website wo n't be blocked , just the material related to the game ( videos , images , etc ) .
Imagine maintaining that blacklist !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Kotaku is running an investigative piece examining what internet censorship means for games in Australia.
Australia has some of the most draconian video game attitudes in the world, and the phrase 'refused classification' should strike fear in game developers and publishers looking to market games there.
Internet censorship may expand this phrase to mean that anybody hosting anything about the game may suffer censorship in AU.
Kotaku notes, 'This means that if a game is refused classification (RC) in Australia — like, say, NFL Blitz, or Getting Up — content related to these games would be added to the ISP filter.
[This would bring up] a range of questions, foremost of those being: what happens when an otherwise harmless website ... hosts material from those games (screenshots, trailers, etc) that is totally fine in the US or Japan or Europe, but that has been refused classification in Australia?
'  Kotaku received a comment from the Australian Department of Broadband Communication promising that the whole website won't be blocked, just the material related to the game (videos, images, etc).
Imagine maintaining that blacklist!
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258036</id>
	<title>Re:democracy in action</title>
	<author>deniable</author>
	<datestamp>1265117580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, it was 2\% of one state. They elected an idiot fundie into a balance-of-terror Senate seat. He wanted filtering in exchange for voting with them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it was 2 \ % of one state .
They elected an idiot fundie into a balance-of-terror Senate seat .
He wanted filtering in exchange for voting with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it was 2\% of one state.
They elected an idiot fundie into a balance-of-terror Senate seat.
He wanted filtering in exchange for voting with them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256528</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256252</id>
	<title>Join the pirates.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266954240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.au/join" title="pirateparty.org.au">http://www.pirateparty.org.au/join</a> [pirateparty.org.au]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.pirateparty.org.au/join [ pirateparty.org.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.pirateparty.org.au/join [pirateparty.org.au]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257038</id>
	<title>Re:wow.</title>
	<author>Cinnaman</author>
	<datestamp>1265105940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't play that card, yet another Liberal term would have seen something similar unfolding, they'd still be trying to turn the Australian people into slaves in their own way. Both parties have a grip on power and we're stuffed until we can get rid of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't play that card , yet another Liberal term would have seen something similar unfolding , they 'd still be trying to turn the Australian people into slaves in their own way .
Both parties have a grip on power and we 're stuffed until we can get rid of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't play that card, yet another Liberal term would have seen something similar unfolding, they'd still be trying to turn the Australian people into slaves in their own way.
Both parties have a grip on power and we're stuffed until we can get rid of them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256414</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257394</id>
	<title>What if the site is using SSL?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265110260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm just wondering how they intend to blacklist part of a website that is using SSL to encrypt its pages. Do they have some magical power they can use to interfere with the traffic? I know governments do sometimes... but I somehow doubt this is the case here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just wondering how they intend to blacklist part of a website that is using SSL to encrypt its pages .
Do they have some magical power they can use to interfere with the traffic ?
I know governments do sometimes... but I somehow doubt this is the case here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just wondering how they intend to blacklist part of a website that is using SSL to encrypt its pages.
Do they have some magical power they can use to interfere with the traffic?
I know governments do sometimes... but I somehow doubt this is the case here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257202</id>
	<title>Are we that bad of parents?</title>
	<author>phateth</author>
	<datestamp>1265107980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Going by the current average age of gamers (30) I don't see why there should be Refused content, for instance with the gaming aspect if the games were rated it can follow a similar stance with movies, you're a parent you don't think blowing up zombies with large rockets or brutally murdering people with plastic bags is something that you want yours kids to see/play here's a tip: Take some god damn initiative and exercise your parenting skills - Don't buy them the game or let them play it for that matter, it's truly becoming sad when it becomes apparent over time that we're just becomming so totalitarian we have to be told where to smoke, what to watch/view, what to read and what we can play i think it's safe to guarantee we give them an inch they will take the whole mile (Giving it back to us 6inches at a time over a table)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Going by the current average age of gamers ( 30 ) I do n't see why there should be Refused content , for instance with the gaming aspect if the games were rated it can follow a similar stance with movies , you 're a parent you do n't think blowing up zombies with large rockets or brutally murdering people with plastic bags is something that you want yours kids to see/play here 's a tip : Take some god damn initiative and exercise your parenting skills - Do n't buy them the game or let them play it for that matter , it 's truly becoming sad when it becomes apparent over time that we 're just becomming so totalitarian we have to be told where to smoke , what to watch/view , what to read and what we can play i think it 's safe to guarantee we give them an inch they will take the whole mile ( Giving it back to us 6inches at a time over a table )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going by the current average age of gamers (30) I don't see why there should be Refused content, for instance with the gaming aspect if the games were rated it can follow a similar stance with movies, you're a parent you don't think blowing up zombies with large rockets or brutally murdering people with plastic bags is something that you want yours kids to see/play here's a tip: Take some god damn initiative and exercise your parenting skills - Don't buy them the game or let them play it for that matter, it's truly becoming sad when it becomes apparent over time that we're just becomming so totalitarian we have to be told where to smoke, what to watch/view, what to read and what we can play i think it's safe to guarantee we give them an inch they will take the whole mile (Giving it back to us 6inches at a time over a table)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256392</id>
	<title>Re:Political action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a list of what parties support the Internet Filtering Scheme(s): <a href="http://shockseat.com/communications/internet-filtering-scheme" title="shockseat.com" rel="nofollow">http://shockseat.com/communications/internet-filtering-scheme</a> [shockseat.com] <br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/disclaimer, I maintain the website.<br> <br>

I'm recently doing a survey which will include game classification, there's no R and X classification for games. And not just internet filtering, but copyright, patent, whether they support other means to restrict content ownership and more. You can view a sample of the survey that was sent to parties here: <a href="http://shockseat.com/survey" title="shockseat.com" rel="nofollow">http://shockseat.com/survey</a> [shockseat.com] Although it's pretty amaterurish, it's already making it much easier to add more issues to my website.<br> <br>

Bonus: If my site takes off, I will get or at least present vague notions of what the parties plan to do so it would be up to the 'crowd' to demand clarity.<br> <br>

Some more information about the website here: <a href="http://shockseat.com/about" title="shockseat.com" rel="nofollow">http://shockseat.com/about</a> [shockseat.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a list of what parties support the Internet Filtering Scheme ( s ) : http : //shockseat.com/communications/internet-filtering-scheme [ shockseat.com ] /disclaimer , I maintain the website .
I 'm recently doing a survey which will include game classification , there 's no R and X classification for games .
And not just internet filtering , but copyright , patent , whether they support other means to restrict content ownership and more .
You can view a sample of the survey that was sent to parties here : http : //shockseat.com/survey [ shockseat.com ] Although it 's pretty amaterurish , it 's already making it much easier to add more issues to my website .
Bonus : If my site takes off , I will get or at least present vague notions of what the parties plan to do so it would be up to the 'crowd ' to demand clarity .
Some more information about the website here : http : //shockseat.com/about [ shockseat.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a list of what parties support the Internet Filtering Scheme(s): http://shockseat.com/communications/internet-filtering-scheme [shockseat.com]   /disclaimer, I maintain the website.
I'm recently doing a survey which will include game classification, there's no R and X classification for games.
And not just internet filtering, but copyright, patent, whether they support other means to restrict content ownership and more.
You can view a sample of the survey that was sent to parties here: http://shockseat.com/survey [shockseat.com] Although it's pretty amaterurish, it's already making it much easier to add more issues to my website.
Bonus: If my site takes off, I will get or at least present vague notions of what the parties plan to do so it would be up to the 'crowd' to demand clarity.
Some more information about the website here: http://shockseat.com/about [shockseat.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256598</id>
	<title>Re:Fifty bucks says this doesnt pass parliment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Australians vote the way the television and talk radio stations tell them to vote.. the week before election day, no matter what the polls say, the party with the most media coverage wins.</p><p>Politicians in this country can do anything they like and the sheeple will vote them back into power, so long as they put enough ads on in that last week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Australians vote the way the television and talk radio stations tell them to vote.. the week before election day , no matter what the polls say , the party with the most media coverage wins.Politicians in this country can do anything they like and the sheeple will vote them back into power , so long as they put enough ads on in that last week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australians vote the way the television and talk radio stations tell them to vote.. the week before election day, no matter what the polls say, the party with the most media coverage wins.Politicians in this country can do anything they like and the sheeple will vote them back into power, so long as they put enough ads on in that last week.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256234</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257234</id>
	<title>Re:The silver lining</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1265108340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which would be quite amusing, because it'd basically mean you had half the population looking for content the government doesn't want them to see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which would be quite amusing , because it 'd basically mean you had half the population looking for content the government does n't want them to see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which would be quite amusing, because it'd basically mean you had half the population looking for content the government doesn't want them to see.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258624</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the future!</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1265122680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with your idea is that there are a LOT of people out there (many of whom believe in some kind of non-existent god) who think its their god-given right to dictate what other people can and cannot do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your idea is that there are a LOT of people out there ( many of whom believe in some kind of non-existent god ) who think its their god-given right to dictate what other people can and can not do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your idea is that there are a LOT of people out there (many of whom believe in some kind of non-existent god) who think its their god-given right to dictate what other people can and cannot do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256160</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256528</id>
	<title>democracy in action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>22 million australians... apparantly a majority voted for this administration. Why care if that country wants to hide behind a second great internet wall?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>22 million australians... apparantly a majority voted for this administration .
Why care if that country wants to hide behind a second great internet wall ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>22 million australians... apparantly a majority voted for this administration.
Why care if that country wants to hide behind a second great internet wall?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256268</id>
	<title>Fucking pandering government...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266954480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bloody Labor government pandering to the right wing religious types. Fucking pathetic.</p><p>Also, australia will get an R rated game classification sooner or later. The wheels are in motion now.</p><p>Lastly, I doubt that legislation for the internet filter will pass both houses of government. The opposition parties have too much to gain by blocking it.</p><p>Make no mistake, no matter the government of the day, the internet filter was inevitable. Like America, the Christians in this country are fucking powerful, and they want to dictate to everyone what we can and cannot see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bloody Labor government pandering to the right wing religious types .
Fucking pathetic.Also , australia will get an R rated game classification sooner or later .
The wheels are in motion now.Lastly , I doubt that legislation for the internet filter will pass both houses of government .
The opposition parties have too much to gain by blocking it.Make no mistake , no matter the government of the day , the internet filter was inevitable .
Like America , the Christians in this country are fucking powerful , and they want to dictate to everyone what we can and can not see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bloody Labor government pandering to the right wing religious types.
Fucking pathetic.Also, australia will get an R rated game classification sooner or later.
The wheels are in motion now.Lastly, I doubt that legislation for the internet filter will pass both houses of government.
The opposition parties have too much to gain by blocking it.Make no mistake, no matter the government of the day, the internet filter was inevitable.
Like America, the Christians in this country are fucking powerful, and they want to dictate to everyone what we can and cannot see.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256308</id>
	<title>Subject</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266954960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So first Britain treats 1984 like an instruction manual, and now Australia is treating <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium\_(film)" title="wikipedia.org">Equilibrium</a> [wikipedia.org] like a How-To film?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This game has been rated EC-10.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So first Britain treats 1984 like an instruction manual , and now Australia is treating Equilibrium [ wikipedia.org ] like a How-To film ? This game has been rated EC-10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So first Britain treats 1984 like an instruction manual, and now Australia is treating Equilibrium [wikipedia.org] like a How-To film?This game has been rated EC-10.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258484</id>
	<title>China called</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1265121840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China called.  They'd like to compare notes on internet filtering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China called .
They 'd like to compare notes on internet filtering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China called.
They'd like to compare notes on internet filtering.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31265958</id>
	<title>Re:Fifty bucks says this doesnt pass parliment</title>
	<author>dlanod</author>
	<datestamp>1265111160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was inclined to agree until Tony Abbott rolled Malcolm Turnbull.  There's no way Abbott would be saying no to an internet filter given his love for all things Catholic and his inability to separate that with his day-to-day job.  Kate Lundy is the person to back now - campaigning for making it opt out (not ideal but more sane than no option) from within the Labor Party.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was inclined to agree until Tony Abbott rolled Malcolm Turnbull .
There 's no way Abbott would be saying no to an internet filter given his love for all things Catholic and his inability to separate that with his day-to-day job .
Kate Lundy is the person to back now - campaigning for making it opt out ( not ideal but more sane than no option ) from within the Labor Party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was inclined to agree until Tony Abbott rolled Malcolm Turnbull.
There's no way Abbott would be saying no to an internet filter given his love for all things Catholic and his inability to separate that with his day-to-day job.
Kate Lundy is the person to back now - campaigning for making it opt out (not ideal but more sane than no option) from within the Labor Party.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256234</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257476</id>
	<title>Re:NAZI ZOMBIE BRAINS CHILDREN ON FIRE CARTOON POR</title>
	<author>kevingolding2001</author>
	<datestamp>1265111220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm Australian, you insensitive cl\%^!@#(&amp;$\%[NO CARRIER]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm Australian , you insensitive cl \ % ^ !
@ # ( &amp; $ \ % [ NO CARRIER ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm Australian, you insensitive cl\%^!
@#(&amp;$\%[NO CARRIER]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256234</id>
	<title>Fifty bucks says this doesnt pass parliment</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1266954060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>again.<br> <br>

Australia's parliament voted against internet censorship in 2008 and there was a lot less organisation against it then. This close to an election many pollies are thinking of their chances of being re-elected. The Greens still hold the balance of power in parliament and they are dead against the censorship scheme, most of the independents are offside now as well, the Opposition will vote no simply because Labor is voting yes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>again .
Australia 's parliament voted against internet censorship in 2008 and there was a lot less organisation against it then .
This close to an election many pollies are thinking of their chances of being re-elected .
The Greens still hold the balance of power in parliament and they are dead against the censorship scheme , most of the independents are offside now as well , the Opposition will vote no simply because Labor is voting yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>again.
Australia's parliament voted against internet censorship in 2008 and there was a lot less organisation against it then.
This close to an election many pollies are thinking of their chances of being re-elected.
The Greens still hold the balance of power in parliament and they are dead against the censorship scheme, most of the independents are offside now as well, the Opposition will vote no simply because Labor is voting yes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31264996</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the future!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265107140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...masturbate to bloody, mutilated appendages<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>got any links?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...masturbate to bloody , mutilated appendages ...got any links ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...masturbate to bloody, mutilated appendages ...got any links?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257302</id>
	<title>Re:NAZI ZOMBIE BRAINS CHILDREN ON FIRE CARTOON POR</title>
	<author>M8e</author>
	<datestamp>1265109240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you verb brains?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you verb brains ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you verb brains?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258474</id>
	<title>Re:Subject</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265121720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You sound like an idiot. You need a refresher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen\_Eighty-Four</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You sound like an idiot .
You need a refresher .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen \ _Eighty-Four</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sound like an idiot.
You need a refresher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen\_Eighty-Four</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256296</id>
	<title>Seeing what over Au goverment departments have...</title>
	<author>HJED</author>
	<datestamp>1266954840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is especially worrying when you realise how corrupt the government in Australia is, I recently came to realised this when I found out that the Department of Education in NSW block  access to<b> ALL</b> search engines accept google for students at public primary and high schools. (apart from yahoo which you can get one page of results from if you go to search.yahoo.com)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is especially worrying when you realise how corrupt the government in Australia is , I recently came to realised this when I found out that the Department of Education in NSW block access to ALL search engines accept google for students at public primary and high schools .
( apart from yahoo which you can get one page of results from if you go to search.yahoo.com )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is especially worrying when you realise how corrupt the government in Australia is, I recently came to realised this when I found out that the Department of Education in NSW block  access to ALL search engines accept google for students at public primary and high schools.
(apart from yahoo which you can get one page of results from if you go to search.yahoo.com)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256414</id>
	<title>Re:wow.</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1265141940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this is what the moron's wanted when they voted for the labor party. government answers to everything.<p>
gg indeed....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is what the moron 's wanted when they voted for the labor party .
government answers to everything .
gg indeed... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is what the moron's wanted when they voted for the labor party.
government answers to everything.
gg indeed....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256214</id>
	<title>New Aussie classification, DNF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266953700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They felt vaporware deserved it's own classification.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They felt vaporware deserved it 's own classification .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They felt vaporware deserved it's own classification.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256160</id>
	<title>Welcome to the future!</title>
	<author>precariousgray</author>
	<datestamp>1266953220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why can't we simply accept that this is the 21st century, and nothing should be censored?  Ever.

Don't want to see the content within a particular video game?  Great, don't look at it.  That's your right.  It is also mine to masturbate to bloody, mutilated appendages if I so choose.

Please replace "video game" above with any applicable form of media.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't we simply accept that this is the 21st century , and nothing should be censored ?
Ever . Do n't want to see the content within a particular video game ?
Great , do n't look at it .
That 's your right .
It is also mine to masturbate to bloody , mutilated appendages if I so choose .
Please replace " video game " above with any applicable form of media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't we simply accept that this is the 21st century, and nothing should be censored?
Ever.

Don't want to see the content within a particular video game?
Great, don't look at it.
That's your right.
It is also mine to masturbate to bloody, mutilated appendages if I so choose.
Please replace "video game" above with any applicable form of media.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256864</id>
	<title>RC Game != RC Content related to Game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Games and related content are distinct pieces of material, a game with one rating doesn't mean that DLC, snapshots or it's own site would be under the same classification as they are "distinct works", they would be classified independently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Games and related content are distinct pieces of material , a game with one rating does n't mean that DLC , snapshots or it 's own site would be under the same classification as they are " distinct works " , they would be classified independently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Games and related content are distinct pieces of material, a game with one rating doesn't mean that DLC, snapshots or it's own site would be under the same classification as they are "distinct works", they would be classified independently.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256562</id>
	<title>Re:Once te flood gates are pushed open...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Once the flood gates of ISP level censorship are pushed open, it's simply going to keep cascading until our Mate's internet connection is "sanitized" to death</p></div><p>No need to worry too much: these censorship rules clearly don't scale well. Once the ISPs are having trouble maintaining their REAL services for their users just because some non-sense law bullies them into this filtering, they will take action to change the law. Or else their own users will end up with no internet connection.</p><p>On the other hand, maybe it's a good time to release a "Proxies for Dummies" book in Australia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the flood gates of ISP level censorship are pushed open , it 's simply going to keep cascading until our Mate 's internet connection is " sanitized " to deathNo need to worry too much : these censorship rules clearly do n't scale well .
Once the ISPs are having trouble maintaining their REAL services for their users just because some non-sense law bullies them into this filtering , they will take action to change the law .
Or else their own users will end up with no internet connection.On the other hand , maybe it 's a good time to release a " Proxies for Dummies " book in Australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the flood gates of ISP level censorship are pushed open, it's simply going to keep cascading until our Mate's internet connection is "sanitized" to deathNo need to worry too much: these censorship rules clearly don't scale well.
Once the ISPs are having trouble maintaining their REAL services for their users just because some non-sense law bullies them into this filtering, they will take action to change the law.
Or else their own users will end up with no internet connection.On the other hand, maybe it's a good time to release a "Proxies for Dummies" book in Australia.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256106</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257074</id>
	<title>Censorship has multiple uses</title>
	<author>thasmudyan</author>
	<datestamp>1265106360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, ideologues like the limitless possibilities censorship offers when it comes to shaping the thoughts of the population by making inconvenient material unavailable. It also helps them get re-elected. But in this case, censorship has a very clear business aspect: it means that if you as a publisher don't pay up, they have the power to make your product disappear. Not only will your website disappear from view, the censorship filter makes it impossible for people to even talk about your product. So this is about corruption, clear and simple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , ideologues like the limitless possibilities censorship offers when it comes to shaping the thoughts of the population by making inconvenient material unavailable .
It also helps them get re-elected .
But in this case , censorship has a very clear business aspect : it means that if you as a publisher do n't pay up , they have the power to make your product disappear .
Not only will your website disappear from view , the censorship filter makes it impossible for people to even talk about your product .
So this is about corruption , clear and simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, ideologues like the limitless possibilities censorship offers when it comes to shaping the thoughts of the population by making inconvenient material unavailable.
It also helps them get re-elected.
But in this case, censorship has a very clear business aspect: it means that if you as a publisher don't pay up, they have the power to make your product disappear.
Not only will your website disappear from view, the censorship filter makes it impossible for people to even talk about your product.
So this is about corruption, clear and simple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31260706</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the future!</title>
	<author>rockNme2349</author>
	<datestamp>1265132400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But that's just what the terrorists want us to think...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But that 's just what the terrorists want us to think.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that's just what the terrorists want us to think...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256160</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258984</id>
	<title>Adding noise to the blacklist?</title>
	<author>Dalzhim</author>
	<datestamp>1265124540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't it be interesting to create services such as excessive content mirroring creating a great amount of very similar addresses pointing to the same content in order to artificially grow the blacklist exponentially until it becomes impossible to manage or use?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it be interesting to create services such as excessive content mirroring creating a great amount of very similar addresses pointing to the same content in order to artificially grow the blacklist exponentially until it becomes impossible to manage or use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it be interesting to create services such as excessive content mirroring creating a great amount of very similar addresses pointing to the same content in order to artificially grow the blacklist exponentially until it becomes impossible to manage or use?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258174</id>
	<title>Re:NAZI ZOMBIE BRAINS CHILDREN ON FIRE CARTOON POR</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1265119260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You say i in jest, but this report alone might be already enough. We're talking about RC games here. Is mentioning a "banned" game enough to get hit by the censor bat? Is reporting about a "censored" event, practice or even fad enough to be censored?</p><p>If so, it basically means that censoring ANY medium is perfectly possible in Australia now. Fox reported badly about the Aussie Prez? Let's see, did they have something about happy slapping lately? Yes? Great, *POOF*. BBC disagreeing with Australian foreign policy? Hmm... browse their documentaries, I'm sure we find something that matches our filter criteria.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. repeatedly slapping our censoring policy? Now, that should be easy, I'm sure they have something about copyright in one of their stories that make them censor worthy.</p><p>The threat isn't so much that we might not get to play some computer game. The threat is that it becomes easily possible to silence media outlets that are deemed "unwanted". Oh, you cannot block them for their anti-Aussie-Government stories, but they will for sure carry something that makes them blockworthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You say i in jest , but this report alone might be already enough .
We 're talking about RC games here .
Is mentioning a " banned " game enough to get hit by the censor bat ?
Is reporting about a " censored " event , practice or even fad enough to be censored ? If so , it basically means that censoring ANY medium is perfectly possible in Australia now .
Fox reported badly about the Aussie Prez ?
Let 's see , did they have something about happy slapping lately ?
Yes ? Great , * POOF * .
BBC disagreeing with Australian foreign policy ?
Hmm... browse their documentaries , I 'm sure we find something that matches our filter criteria .
/. repeatedly slapping our censoring policy ?
Now , that should be easy , I 'm sure they have something about copyright in one of their stories that make them censor worthy.The threat is n't so much that we might not get to play some computer game .
The threat is that it becomes easily possible to silence media outlets that are deemed " unwanted " .
Oh , you can not block them for their anti-Aussie-Government stories , but they will for sure carry something that makes them blockworthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You say i in jest, but this report alone might be already enough.
We're talking about RC games here.
Is mentioning a "banned" game enough to get hit by the censor bat?
Is reporting about a "censored" event, practice or even fad enough to be censored?If so, it basically means that censoring ANY medium is perfectly possible in Australia now.
Fox reported badly about the Aussie Prez?
Let's see, did they have something about happy slapping lately?
Yes? Great, *POOF*.
BBC disagreeing with Australian foreign policy?
Hmm... browse their documentaries, I'm sure we find something that matches our filter criteria.
/. repeatedly slapping our censoring policy?
Now, that should be easy, I'm sure they have something about copyright in one of their stories that make them censor worthy.The threat isn't so much that we might not get to play some computer game.
The threat is that it becomes easily possible to silence media outlets that are deemed "unwanted".
Oh, you cannot block them for their anti-Aussie-Government stories, but they will for sure carry something that makes them blockworthy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256232</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256232</id>
	<title>NAZI ZOMBIE BRAINS CHILDREN ON FIRE CARTOON PORN</title>
	<author>assemblerex</author>
	<datestamp>1266954060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>And now...Slashdot is no longer viewable to Australians.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And now...Slashdot is no longer viewable to Australians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And now...Slashdot is no longer viewable to Australians.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258714</id>
	<title>Re:Join the pirates.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And if my belief system holds true, we will also reduce global warming as more people join.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if my belief system holds true , we will also reduce global warming as more people join .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if my belief system holds true, we will also reduce global warming as more people join.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256106</id>
	<title>Once te flood gates are pushed open...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266952500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once the flood gates of ISP level censorship are pushed open, it's simply going to keep cascading until our Mate's internet connection is "sanitized" to death, where sanitized is on a sliding scale depending on whoever is in power at the time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the flood gates of ISP level censorship are pushed open , it 's simply going to keep cascading until our Mate 's internet connection is " sanitized " to death , where sanitized is on a sliding scale depending on whoever is in power at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the flood gates of ISP level censorship are pushed open, it's simply going to keep cascading until our Mate's internet connection is "sanitized" to death, where sanitized is on a sliding scale depending on whoever is in power at the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256490</id>
	<title>"Most draconian video game attitudes in the world"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really - just one state level Attorney General (Michael Atkinson - South Australia's AG) has this attitude, highlighting the problem of giving any one of the AGs the ability to veto major decisions where there is otherwise a majority opinion.</p><p>The major problem here is that Michael Atkinson is a complete wackjob with his opinions - and he doesn't care about any return fire because noone in his political party dares removing him from the position.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really - just one state level Attorney General ( Michael Atkinson - South Australia 's AG ) has this attitude , highlighting the problem of giving any one of the AGs the ability to veto major decisions where there is otherwise a majority opinion.The major problem here is that Michael Atkinson is a complete wackjob with his opinions - and he does n't care about any return fire because noone in his political party dares removing him from the position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really - just one state level Attorney General (Michael Atkinson - South Australia's AG) has this attitude, highlighting the problem of giving any one of the AGs the ability to veto major decisions where there is otherwise a majority opinion.The major problem here is that Michael Atkinson is a complete wackjob with his opinions - and he doesn't care about any return fire because noone in his political party dares removing him from the position.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256158</id>
	<title>wow.</title>
	<author>Joelfabulous</author>
	<datestamp>1266953160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>death by bureaucracy...  department of broadband communication. are you fucking kidding me?</p><p>this is the kind of idiocy that was generally historically corrected by violent revolution... sigh.</p><p>gg Australia, way to self-immolate in the present tense. it was nice knowing you, I guess. thanks for all the fish, or whatever condolences I'm supposed to offer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>death by bureaucracy... department of broadband communication .
are you fucking kidding me ? this is the kind of idiocy that was generally historically corrected by violent revolution... sigh.gg Australia , way to self-immolate in the present tense .
it was nice knowing you , I guess .
thanks for all the fish , or whatever condolences I 'm supposed to offer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>death by bureaucracy...  department of broadband communication.
are you fucking kidding me?this is the kind of idiocy that was generally historically corrected by violent revolution... sigh.gg Australia, way to self-immolate in the present tense.
it was nice knowing you, I guess.
thanks for all the fish, or whatever condolences I'm supposed to offer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31269116</id>
	<title>Censorship</title>
	<author>Daedalu</author>
	<datestamp>1265138640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>  Now I know why so many people are coming to the U.S and Canada from Australia, this just boggles my mind that this is even going on!
  One has to wonder what they are thinking.
I can't say more as I do not live there and do not know the facts,but what I am reading on the news and web has me wondering how much longer the people of Australia are going to let this go on.
  From what we hear, when they took most of your firearms the crime rate has gone up and keeps going that way.
  I do wish we got more new's here in the states on what the full story is.
 As this will affect us all in the end.
Even to the point of how we make our sites if we want to be seen by Australian's .</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I know why so many people are coming to the U.S and Canada from Australia , this just boggles my mind that this is even going on !
One has to wonder what they are thinking .
I ca n't say more as I do not live there and do not know the facts,but what I am reading on the news and web has me wondering how much longer the people of Australia are going to let this go on .
From what we hear , when they took most of your firearms the crime rate has gone up and keeps going that way .
I do wish we got more new 's here in the states on what the full story is .
As this will affect us all in the end .
Even to the point of how we make our sites if we want to be seen by Australian 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Now I know why so many people are coming to the U.S and Canada from Australia, this just boggles my mind that this is even going on!
One has to wonder what they are thinking.
I can't say more as I do not live there and do not know the facts,but what I am reading on the news and web has me wondering how much longer the people of Australia are going to let this go on.
From what we hear, when they took most of your firearms the crime rate has gone up and keeps going that way.
I do wish we got more new's here in the states on what the full story is.
As this will affect us all in the end.
Even to the point of how we make our sites if we want to be seen by Australian's .</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31267910</id>
	<title>Re:Once te flood gates are pushed open...</title>
	<author>ekhben</author>
	<datestamp>1265125500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ISP industry of Australia have already taken action to block the law.  There's been technical deconstruction of it.  There's been alternatives proposed that could be more effective at protecting children from online materials.  There's even one member of Stephen Conroy's own political party advocating at least changing the legislation to an optional filter.

</p><p>When asked, "do you think the gubbimunts should make the intartubs safe for kiddiewinks?" most of the Australian population agree.  When asked more specifically about the details of the proposed plan, that support sharply declines: less than half think it's a good idea for the government to maintain a list of Naughty Pages.  Only a tiny handful of lunatics think that list should be a secret.

</p><p>So, we have a situation here in which a single Senator is pushing a legislation that wouldn't pass referendum as it stands, isn't supported by the industry, isn't supported by the public, and isn't even well supported by his own political party.  It's a poor approach to solving a problem that, for a start, won't actually solve the problem, but worse, will create new problems of its own, increasing the cost of Internet access in Australia while simultaneously decreasing the quality of service.

</p><p>And yet it's almost certain to become law.

</p><p>I think I will now go and opiate myself with sugar and caffeine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ISP industry of Australia have already taken action to block the law .
There 's been technical deconstruction of it .
There 's been alternatives proposed that could be more effective at protecting children from online materials .
There 's even one member of Stephen Conroy 's own political party advocating at least changing the legislation to an optional filter .
When asked , " do you think the gubbimunts should make the intartubs safe for kiddiewinks ?
" most of the Australian population agree .
When asked more specifically about the details of the proposed plan , that support sharply declines : less than half think it 's a good idea for the government to maintain a list of Naughty Pages .
Only a tiny handful of lunatics think that list should be a secret .
So , we have a situation here in which a single Senator is pushing a legislation that would n't pass referendum as it stands , is n't supported by the industry , is n't supported by the public , and is n't even well supported by his own political party .
It 's a poor approach to solving a problem that , for a start , wo n't actually solve the problem , but worse , will create new problems of its own , increasing the cost of Internet access in Australia while simultaneously decreasing the quality of service .
And yet it 's almost certain to become law .
I think I will now go and opiate myself with sugar and caffeine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ISP industry of Australia have already taken action to block the law.
There's been technical deconstruction of it.
There's been alternatives proposed that could be more effective at protecting children from online materials.
There's even one member of Stephen Conroy's own political party advocating at least changing the legislation to an optional filter.
When asked, "do you think the gubbimunts should make the intartubs safe for kiddiewinks?
" most of the Australian population agree.
When asked more specifically about the details of the proposed plan, that support sharply declines: less than half think it's a good idea for the government to maintain a list of Naughty Pages.
Only a tiny handful of lunatics think that list should be a secret.
So, we have a situation here in which a single Senator is pushing a legislation that wouldn't pass referendum as it stands, isn't supported by the industry, isn't supported by the public, and isn't even well supported by his own political party.
It's a poor approach to solving a problem that, for a start, won't actually solve the problem, but worse, will create new problems of its own, increasing the cost of Internet access in Australia while simultaneously decreasing the quality of service.
And yet it's almost certain to become law.
I think I will now go and opiate myself with sugar and caffeine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258756</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine the blacklist is right</title>
	<author>Self Bias Resistor</author>
	<datestamp>1265123340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Senator Conroy has been hugely inconsistent about the content of the blacklist. First it was "child porn", then he added "unwanted content" without clarifying what that actually meant and then he changed tack to "Refused Classification", which he then proceeded to repeatedly mention in conjunction with "child porn" in order to fool the public into thinking that the two were synonymous.</p><p>Also worth considering is the security of the blacklist. The Australian Communications &amp; Media Authority's blacklist (upon which the filter's will be based) has been leaked several times before and it appears that the Government has done nothing to avoid repeating the experience besides threaten any local sites that host or link to it with $10,000 per day fines. So given the number of ways in which the blacklist can be leaked, it's practically inevitable that it will happen again.</p><p>If the ACMA blacklist is what Conroy says it is (ie. child porn), then the Australian Government will be directly responsible for providing pedophiles with a choice list of child porn on the Web. If the blacklist <i>isn't</i> what Conroy says it is, then the Government will have flat out <i>lied</i> to the public about what it is they're being "protected" from (in addition to the lies that they've told already).</p><p>Neither outcome makes the Government look good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Senator Conroy has been hugely inconsistent about the content of the blacklist .
First it was " child porn " , then he added " unwanted content " without clarifying what that actually meant and then he changed tack to " Refused Classification " , which he then proceeded to repeatedly mention in conjunction with " child porn " in order to fool the public into thinking that the two were synonymous.Also worth considering is the security of the blacklist .
The Australian Communications &amp; Media Authority 's blacklist ( upon which the filter 's will be based ) has been leaked several times before and it appears that the Government has done nothing to avoid repeating the experience besides threaten any local sites that host or link to it with $ 10,000 per day fines .
So given the number of ways in which the blacklist can be leaked , it 's practically inevitable that it will happen again.If the ACMA blacklist is what Conroy says it is ( ie .
child porn ) , then the Australian Government will be directly responsible for providing pedophiles with a choice list of child porn on the Web .
If the blacklist is n't what Conroy says it is , then the Government will have flat out lied to the public about what it is they 're being " protected " from ( in addition to the lies that they 've told already ) .Neither outcome makes the Government look good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Senator Conroy has been hugely inconsistent about the content of the blacklist.
First it was "child porn", then he added "unwanted content" without clarifying what that actually meant and then he changed tack to "Refused Classification", which he then proceeded to repeatedly mention in conjunction with "child porn" in order to fool the public into thinking that the two were synonymous.Also worth considering is the security of the blacklist.
The Australian Communications &amp; Media Authority's blacklist (upon which the filter's will be based) has been leaked several times before and it appears that the Government has done nothing to avoid repeating the experience besides threaten any local sites that host or link to it with $10,000 per day fines.
So given the number of ways in which the blacklist can be leaked, it's practically inevitable that it will happen again.If the ACMA blacklist is what Conroy says it is (ie.
child porn), then the Australian Government will be directly responsible for providing pedophiles with a choice list of child porn on the Web.
If the blacklist isn't what Conroy says it is, then the Government will have flat out lied to the public about what it is they're being "protected" from (in addition to the lies that they've told already).Neither outcome makes the Government look good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31260782</id>
	<title>Re:Political action</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1265132700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instinctively, I want to do just that to try to stop such idiotic laws.  However, it's their own damn fault for allowing their government to have such control that they're reaching this point.  Seeing as how we constantly have articles about people all over the world in developed countries losing their rights to oppressive governments, I say let it happen and maybe the masses of asses will finally start to realize just why it's a bad thing to have government running every aspect of your life.  Any time people try to defend freedom, the average person says "Who cares? I don't use those rights" - so the only way to get them to care is for a right they actually DO care about to be taken away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instinctively , I want to do just that to try to stop such idiotic laws .
However , it 's their own damn fault for allowing their government to have such control that they 're reaching this point .
Seeing as how we constantly have articles about people all over the world in developed countries losing their rights to oppressive governments , I say let it happen and maybe the masses of asses will finally start to realize just why it 's a bad thing to have government running every aspect of your life .
Any time people try to defend freedom , the average person says " Who cares ?
I do n't use those rights " - so the only way to get them to care is for a right they actually DO care about to be taken away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instinctively, I want to do just that to try to stop such idiotic laws.
However, it's their own damn fault for allowing their government to have such control that they're reaching this point.
Seeing as how we constantly have articles about people all over the world in developed countries losing their rights to oppressive governments, I say let it happen and maybe the masses of asses will finally start to realize just why it's a bad thing to have government running every aspect of your life.
Any time people try to defend freedom, the average person says "Who cares?
I don't use those rights" - so the only way to get them to care is for a right they actually DO care about to be taken away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257926</id>
	<title>Re:NAZI ZOMBIE BRAINS CHILDREN ON FIRE CARTOON POR</title>
	<author>severn2j</author>
	<datestamp>1265116500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You forgot "Small breasted women"..

Seriously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot " Small breasted women " . . Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot "Small breasted women"..

Seriously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256478</id>
	<title>Aussie politicians just don't get it</title>
	<author>bguiz</author>
	<datestamp>1265142480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What really strikes me here is that all this "Refused Classification" stuff has been in the media circus for a really long time now, and there's been an instant backlash from those who get it - IT guys, gen Y, etc. But Aussie politicians just don't seem to get it at all - their attitude toward the whole thing, their reactions and replies to all the backlash so far can all be explained with the following assumption:
</p><p>They think the internet is some sort of extension of traditional media like newspapers and radio. And they are trying to treat it it as such - attempted censorship, case in point.
</p><p>What they have yet to realise that these traditional media are broadcast media - i.e. Single source, many recipients, very minimal feedback loop.<br>
The internet is a direct contradiction of this media type - the feedback loop is <i>the main thing</i> (Slashdot, or any any other forum, case in point, especially <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1561016&amp;cid=31256232" title="slashdot.org">this comment</a> [slashdot.org]). Many sources, many recipients. Lack of centralised control.
</p><p>And all of this applies to the world of HTTP<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... don't get me started of p2p networks and VPNs...
</p><p>IMHO, if they really understood the internet properly, they would see the pointlessness in censoring it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What really strikes me here is that all this " Refused Classification " stuff has been in the media circus for a really long time now , and there 's been an instant backlash from those who get it - IT guys , gen Y , etc .
But Aussie politicians just do n't seem to get it at all - their attitude toward the whole thing , their reactions and replies to all the backlash so far can all be explained with the following assumption : They think the internet is some sort of extension of traditional media like newspapers and radio .
And they are trying to treat it it as such - attempted censorship , case in point .
What they have yet to realise that these traditional media are broadcast media - i.e .
Single source , many recipients , very minimal feedback loop .
The internet is a direct contradiction of this media type - the feedback loop is the main thing ( Slashdot , or any any other forum , case in point , especially this comment [ slashdot.org ] ) .
Many sources , many recipients .
Lack of centralised control .
And all of this applies to the world of HTTP ... do n't get me started of p2p networks and VPNs.. . IMHO , if they really understood the internet properly , they would see the pointlessness in censoring it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What really strikes me here is that all this "Refused Classification" stuff has been in the media circus for a really long time now, and there's been an instant backlash from those who get it - IT guys, gen Y, etc.
But Aussie politicians just don't seem to get it at all - their attitude toward the whole thing, their reactions and replies to all the backlash so far can all be explained with the following assumption:
They think the internet is some sort of extension of traditional media like newspapers and radio.
And they are trying to treat it it as such - attempted censorship, case in point.
What they have yet to realise that these traditional media are broadcast media - i.e.
Single source, many recipients, very minimal feedback loop.
The internet is a direct contradiction of this media type - the feedback loop is the main thing (Slashdot, or any any other forum, case in point, especially this comment [slashdot.org]).
Many sources, many recipients.
Lack of centralised control.
And all of this applies to the world of HTTP ... don't get me started of p2p networks and VPNs...
IMHO, if they really understood the internet properly, they would see the pointlessness in censoring it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258002</id>
	<title>Re:Seeing what over Au goverment departments have.</title>
	<author>deniable</author>
	<datestamp>1265117220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bah, wait until you hear that government departments aren't going to be filtered. The logic makes as much sense as the rest of the plan, but it means public servants have to get their porn at work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bah , wait until you hear that government departments are n't going to be filtered .
The logic makes as much sense as the rest of the plan , but it means public servants have to get their porn at work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bah, wait until you hear that government departments aren't going to be filtered.
The logic makes as much sense as the rest of the plan, but it means public servants have to get their porn at work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257352</id>
	<title>Not gonna happen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265109720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For $5 a month I can setup a virtual server in Germany with a VPN to it, running squid and a monthly quota of 350 gigs (which I can tell you is many times my Australian data quota) and do all my Kotaku web surfing through it.
</p><p>
That shows how stupid the mandatory Internet censorship is.
</p><p>
Now all I need to do is package it as a service for the point-and-click crowd<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For $ 5 a month I can setup a virtual server in Germany with a VPN to it , running squid and a monthly quota of 350 gigs ( which I can tell you is many times my Australian data quota ) and do all my Kotaku web surfing through it .
That shows how stupid the mandatory Internet censorship is .
Now all I need to do is package it as a service for the point-and-click crowd : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For $5 a month I can setup a virtual server in Germany with a VPN to it, running squid and a monthly quota of 350 gigs (which I can tell you is many times my Australian data quota) and do all my Kotaku web surfing through it.
That shows how stupid the mandatory Internet censorship is.
Now all I need to do is package it as a service for the point-and-click crowd :-)
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256850</id>
	<title>you FAIL</title>
	<author>kikito</author>
	<datestamp>1265103720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(points at the Aussies faces)<br>ah-ha!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( points at the Aussies faces ) ah-ha !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(points at the Aussies faces)ah-ha!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258126</id>
	<title>Wait this can't SERIOUSLY pass through?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265118600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought Freedom of Expression was part of the Human Rights Convention?</p><p>http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga\_19980042\_en\_1</p><p>Section 12</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Freedom of Expression was part of the Human Rights Convention ? http : //www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga \ _19980042 \ _en \ _1Section 12</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Freedom of Expression was part of the Human Rights Convention?http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga\_19980042\_en\_1Section 12</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257594</id>
	<title>Re:Political action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265112720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey there are / were lots of games developers in Croydon (meaning: "Saffron Valley") too:</p><ul><li>Probe Entertainment / Acclaim London (defunct and became:)</li><li>Hotgen</li><li>Crawfish (defunct and became:)</li><li>Razorback</li><li>Coyote (defunct and became:)</li><li>Attractive Games</li></ul><p>They have sold tens of millions of games and brought a lot of money into the local economy.</p><p>Oh wait, there's another town <b>named after</b> the butt of Londoners' jokes? D'oh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey there are / were lots of games developers in Croydon ( meaning : " Saffron Valley " ) too : Probe Entertainment / Acclaim London ( defunct and became : ) HotgenCrawfish ( defunct and became : ) RazorbackCoyote ( defunct and became : ) Attractive GamesThey have sold tens of millions of games and brought a lot of money into the local economy.Oh wait , there 's another town named after the butt of Londoners ' jokes ?
D'oh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey there are / were lots of games developers in Croydon (meaning: "Saffron Valley") too:Probe Entertainment / Acclaim London (defunct and became:)HotgenCrawfish (defunct and became:)RazorbackCoyote (defunct and became:)Attractive GamesThey have sold tens of millions of games and brought a lot of money into the local economy.Oh wait, there's another town named after the butt of Londoners' jokes?
D'oh!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257974</id>
	<title>Re:Fifty bucks says this doesnt pass parliment</title>
	<author>deniable</author>
	<datestamp>1265116920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, we don't. We usually vote the way our parents voted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , we do n't .
We usually vote the way our parents voted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, we don't.
We usually vote the way our parents voted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31258332</id>
	<title>Why it'll probably get through</title>
	<author>acb</author>
	<datestamp>1265120580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not quite a done deal, but has a smooth ride through Parliament. Party discipline in Australia is absolute, and any Labor member who votes against party lines (except during a declared "conscience vote") will be deselected automatically. Kevin Rudd, a self-defined social conservative, supports it. Meanwhile, the Coalition are headed by Tony Abbott, a hardline religious authoritarian culture-warrior often nicknamed the "Mad Monk"; for it to not get through, he would have to not only oppose it but exercise party discipline across the Coalition to prevent anyone from crossing the floor. And there are certainly enough social conservatives there to make up the numbers easily. The Greens, Xenophon, &amp;c. are irrelevant at this point.</p><p>So if it gets to legislation being tabled and voted on before the election, it's as close to a dead certainty as can get in politics. The main chance of stopping it would be for the Labor Party to realise that they're making a terrible mistake and to kill or neutralise it.  Which also looks unlikely; Rudd and Conroy are both ideologically committed to it, and polls show that opposition to it could only make a political difference in two electorates: the inner-city seats of Melbourne and Sydney, both safe Labor seats.  So politically, it's not a liability (and probably an asset, given the legendary apathy of the Australian electorate).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not quite a done deal , but has a smooth ride through Parliament .
Party discipline in Australia is absolute , and any Labor member who votes against party lines ( except during a declared " conscience vote " ) will be deselected automatically .
Kevin Rudd , a self-defined social conservative , supports it .
Meanwhile , the Coalition are headed by Tony Abbott , a hardline religious authoritarian culture-warrior often nicknamed the " Mad Monk " ; for it to not get through , he would have to not only oppose it but exercise party discipline across the Coalition to prevent anyone from crossing the floor .
And there are certainly enough social conservatives there to make up the numbers easily .
The Greens , Xenophon , &amp;c. are irrelevant at this point.So if it gets to legislation being tabled and voted on before the election , it 's as close to a dead certainty as can get in politics .
The main chance of stopping it would be for the Labor Party to realise that they 're making a terrible mistake and to kill or neutralise it .
Which also looks unlikely ; Rudd and Conroy are both ideologically committed to it , and polls show that opposition to it could only make a political difference in two electorates : the inner-city seats of Melbourne and Sydney , both safe Labor seats .
So politically , it 's not a liability ( and probably an asset , given the legendary apathy of the Australian electorate ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not quite a done deal, but has a smooth ride through Parliament.
Party discipline in Australia is absolute, and any Labor member who votes against party lines (except during a declared "conscience vote") will be deselected automatically.
Kevin Rudd, a self-defined social conservative, supports it.
Meanwhile, the Coalition are headed by Tony Abbott, a hardline religious authoritarian culture-warrior often nicknamed the "Mad Monk"; for it to not get through, he would have to not only oppose it but exercise party discipline across the Coalition to prevent anyone from crossing the floor.
And there are certainly enough social conservatives there to make up the numbers easily.
The Greens, Xenophon, &amp;c. are irrelevant at this point.So if it gets to legislation being tabled and voted on before the election, it's as close to a dead certainty as can get in politics.
The main chance of stopping it would be for the Labor Party to realise that they're making a terrible mistake and to kill or neutralise it.
Which also looks unlikely; Rudd and Conroy are both ideologically committed to it, and polls show that opposition to it could only make a political difference in two electorates: the inner-city seats of Melbourne and Sydney, both safe Labor seats.
So politically, it's not a liability (and probably an asset, given the legendary apathy of the Australian electorate).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257982</id>
	<title>Re:wow.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265117040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And its this sort of thinking that will hand the filter on a platter to religious nut Tony Abott.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And its this sort of thinking that will hand the filter on a platter to religious nut Tony Abott .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And its this sort of thinking that will hand the filter on a platter to religious nut Tony Abott.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256152</id>
	<title>Political action</title>
	<author>H0D\_G</author>
	<datestamp>1266953100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I encourage every member of Slashdot to donate to Gamers 4 Croydon. Gamers for Croydon is a political party running against atkinson in his home seat in an attempt to raise awareness about the R18+ restriction on games and to oppose mandatory internet filtering. Seriously, go donate and spread the word</p><p><a href="http://www.gamers4croydon.org/" title="gamers4croydon.org">http://www.gamers4croydon.org/</a> [gamers4croydon.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I encourage every member of Slashdot to donate to Gamers 4 Croydon .
Gamers for Croydon is a political party running against atkinson in his home seat in an attempt to raise awareness about the R18 + restriction on games and to oppose mandatory internet filtering .
Seriously , go donate and spread the wordhttp : //www.gamers4croydon.org/ [ gamers4croydon.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I encourage every member of Slashdot to donate to Gamers 4 Croydon.
Gamers for Croydon is a political party running against atkinson in his home seat in an attempt to raise awareness about the R18+ restriction on games and to oppose mandatory internet filtering.
Seriously, go donate and spread the wordhttp://www.gamers4croydon.org/ [gamers4croydon.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31257510</id>
	<title>Australia "Opt-OUT" internet.</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1265111580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems australia is "opt-out" of the new technology know has Internet.</p><p>I myself would not stop posting comments about any game, even indie games that will never be "validated" by these people. You can't adapt internet to your laws, australia,  you must addapt your laws to internet, since Internet is a global thing, and can't be modified by the will a single ( and maybe all ) countrys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems australia is " opt-out " of the new technology know has Internet.I myself would not stop posting comments about any game , even indie games that will never be " validated " by these people .
You ca n't adapt internet to your laws , australia , you must addapt your laws to internet , since Internet is a global thing , and ca n't be modified by the will a single ( and maybe all ) countrys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems australia is "opt-out" of the new technology know has Internet.I myself would not stop posting comments about any game, even indie games that will never be "validated" by these people.
You can't adapt internet to your laws, australia,  you must addapt your laws to internet, since Internet is a global thing, and can't be modified by the will a single ( and maybe all ) countrys.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256432</id>
	<title>Re:Fifty bucks says this doesnt pass parliment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But the question remains do they need to pass a bill through the Parliament, or can Conroy do it with the powers already invested in him?

I think the first option is more likely but I haven't been confidently assured as such yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the question remains do they need to pass a bill through the Parliament , or can Conroy do it with the powers already invested in him ?
I think the first option is more likely but I have n't been confidently assured as such yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the question remains do they need to pass a bill through the Parliament, or can Conroy do it with the powers already invested in him?
I think the first option is more likely but I haven't been confidently assured as such yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31289784</id>
	<title>Re:Once te flood gates are pushed open...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267174860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'll soon find a way around this, as they always do. Use an offshore proxy server that communicates with you encrypted and byebye filters...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll soon find a way around this , as they always do .
Use an offshore proxy server that communicates with you encrypted and byebye filters.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll soon find a way around this, as they always do.
Use an offshore proxy server that communicates with you encrypted and byebye filters...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31259728</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the future!</title>
	<author>hort\_wort</author>
	<datestamp>1265128140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about kids?  Should a 12 year old be able to go rent a snuff film if he wants?  Even if children are banned from getting it, they'll still have older friends check it out for them.  Taking stuff off the shelves isn't meant to protect the adults.  You can't just hit the whole idea of censorship with a wide stroke like that.</p><p>Usually when I try to take the "obviously enlightened view", I also try to look at the caveats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about kids ?
Should a 12 year old be able to go rent a snuff film if he wants ?
Even if children are banned from getting it , they 'll still have older friends check it out for them .
Taking stuff off the shelves is n't meant to protect the adults .
You ca n't just hit the whole idea of censorship with a wide stroke like that.Usually when I try to take the " obviously enlightened view " , I also try to look at the caveats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about kids?
Should a 12 year old be able to go rent a snuff film if he wants?
Even if children are banned from getting it, they'll still have older friends check it out for them.
Taking stuff off the shelves isn't meant to protect the adults.
You can't just hit the whole idea of censorship with a wide stroke like that.Usually when I try to take the "obviously enlightened view", I also try to look at the caveats.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256144</id>
	<title>The silver lining</title>
	<author>Barny</author>
	<datestamp>1266952980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The upshot of this whole thing is of course that our jobless rate is going to evaporate as we are going to need that chunk of the the population to surf the net and flag possible bad content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The upshot of this whole thing is of course that our jobless rate is going to evaporate as we are going to need that chunk of the the population to surf the net and flag possible bad content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upshot of this whole thing is of course that our jobless rate is going to evaporate as we are going to need that chunk of the the population to surf the net and flag possible bad content.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256616</id>
	<title>It's just like in Germany</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265144040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Germany has many more banned games than Australia can brag with, and if an 18+ game is actually published here it's most likely censored - green blood, ragdoll removed etc. Want to play Gears of War in Germany? Forget it. OK, GoW is not banned, it is just "on the index", which is one step harsher than "18+". You are actually allowed to import the game from the UK, but don't even dream about downloading extra maps from XBox Live. Not only do you need a fake UK account for that, but you'll also have to set up some kind of VPN to a free country as there's also an IP blocker in place that prevents any downloads from a german IP. In addition to those games on the "index" we also have a third classification for video games which is "beschlagnahmt". Those are actually banned, and I'm talking about stuff like Mortal Kombat or Condemned here, not some weird Nazi propaganda stuff or animal porn games.</p><p>There are four times as many germans as there are australians, we are located in the middel of the oh-so-liberal Europe - but there's no international outcry because of our growing amount of censorship which also includes internet filters since our state president signed a totally idiotic law last week. Could everybody start calling the germans bookburning nazis, please? Sometimes international pressure helps - and at the very least it would give us german gamers the fluffy feeling that somebody cares for us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Germany has many more banned games than Australia can brag with , and if an 18 + game is actually published here it 's most likely censored - green blood , ragdoll removed etc .
Want to play Gears of War in Germany ?
Forget it .
OK , GoW is not banned , it is just " on the index " , which is one step harsher than " 18 + " .
You are actually allowed to import the game from the UK , but do n't even dream about downloading extra maps from XBox Live .
Not only do you need a fake UK account for that , but you 'll also have to set up some kind of VPN to a free country as there 's also an IP blocker in place that prevents any downloads from a german IP .
In addition to those games on the " index " we also have a third classification for video games which is " beschlagnahmt " .
Those are actually banned , and I 'm talking about stuff like Mortal Kombat or Condemned here , not some weird Nazi propaganda stuff or animal porn games.There are four times as many germans as there are australians , we are located in the middel of the oh-so-liberal Europe - but there 's no international outcry because of our growing amount of censorship which also includes internet filters since our state president signed a totally idiotic law last week .
Could everybody start calling the germans bookburning nazis , please ?
Sometimes international pressure helps - and at the very least it would give us german gamers the fluffy feeling that somebody cares for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Germany has many more banned games than Australia can brag with, and if an 18+ game is actually published here it's most likely censored - green blood, ragdoll removed etc.
Want to play Gears of War in Germany?
Forget it.
OK, GoW is not banned, it is just "on the index", which is one step harsher than "18+".
You are actually allowed to import the game from the UK, but don't even dream about downloading extra maps from XBox Live.
Not only do you need a fake UK account for that, but you'll also have to set up some kind of VPN to a free country as there's also an IP blocker in place that prevents any downloads from a german IP.
In addition to those games on the "index" we also have a third classification for video games which is "beschlagnahmt".
Those are actually banned, and I'm talking about stuff like Mortal Kombat or Condemned here, not some weird Nazi propaganda stuff or animal porn games.There are four times as many germans as there are australians, we are located in the middel of the oh-so-liberal Europe - but there's no international outcry because of our growing amount of censorship which also includes internet filters since our state president signed a totally idiotic law last week.
Could everybody start calling the germans bookburning nazis, please?
Sometimes international pressure helps - and at the very least it would give us german gamers the fluffy feeling that somebody cares for us.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256298</id>
	<title>Imagine the blacklist is right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266954840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Imagine maintaining that blacklist!</p></div><p>Imagine is exactly right, because the blacklist will be secret. The explanation being that having a list of RC material available will encourage people to view it... except they won't be able to...</p><p>Incidentally, for the people who think this filter is about blocking child porn, consider this: Child porn is illegal, and is the jurisdiction of the federal police. The blacklist will not be maintained by the police, and any ILLEGAL content is to be submitted to the police. The RC filter list is only for UNDESIRABLE content, content that is NOT illegal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine maintaining that blacklist ! Imagine is exactly right , because the blacklist will be secret .
The explanation being that having a list of RC material available will encourage people to view it... except they wo n't be able to...Incidentally , for the people who think this filter is about blocking child porn , consider this : Child porn is illegal , and is the jurisdiction of the federal police .
The blacklist will not be maintained by the police , and any ILLEGAL content is to be submitted to the police .
The RC filter list is only for UNDESIRABLE content , content that is NOT illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine maintaining that blacklist!Imagine is exactly right, because the blacklist will be secret.
The explanation being that having a list of RC material available will encourage people to view it... except they won't be able to...Incidentally, for the people who think this filter is about blocking child porn, consider this: Child porn is illegal, and is the jurisdiction of the federal police.
The blacklist will not be maintained by the police, and any ILLEGAL content is to be submitted to the police.
The RC filter list is only for UNDESIRABLE content, content that is NOT illegal.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256560</id>
	<title>Australian Gamers!?</title>
	<author>Tagged\_84</author>
	<datestamp>1265143380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey we Aussies stop playing games shortly after turning 15! So what's the big deal with wanting to protect our children from these nasty video games aimed at corrupting our youth?<br>
<br>
And as far as I have been told by our overlords.. sorry government. Is that child porn is rampant online and you stumble across it far too often, if the solution is as easy as blocking a website why not let them do it to protect us? While they're at it they can protect us from websites that are pro-abortion, that help teenagers deal with being gay and block any depictions of women with small breasts.. *shiver* We like em big down under!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey we Aussies stop playing games shortly after turning 15 !
So what 's the big deal with wanting to protect our children from these nasty video games aimed at corrupting our youth ?
And as far as I have been told by our overlords.. sorry government .
Is that child porn is rampant online and you stumble across it far too often , if the solution is as easy as blocking a website why not let them do it to protect us ?
While they 're at it they can protect us from websites that are pro-abortion , that help teenagers deal with being gay and block any depictions of women with small breasts.. * shiver * We like em big down under !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey we Aussies stop playing games shortly after turning 15!
So what's the big deal with wanting to protect our children from these nasty video games aimed at corrupting our youth?
And as far as I have been told by our overlords.. sorry government.
Is that child porn is rampant online and you stumble across it far too often, if the solution is as easy as blocking a website why not let them do it to protect us?
While they're at it they can protect us from websites that are pro-abortion, that help teenagers deal with being gay and block any depictions of women with small breasts.. *shiver* We like em big down under!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_0325252.31256092</id>
	<title>Crikey!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266952320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean Heil Crikey!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean Heil Crikey !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean Heil Crikey!</sentencetext>
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