<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_24_014209</id>
	<title><em>Second Life</em> Tries To Backpedal On the GPL</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267039020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>GigsVT writes <i>"The <em>Second Life</em> viewer has been <a href="http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php">available under the GPL</a> for three years. Linden Lab, the maker of <em>Second Life</em>, recently released a <a href="http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php">'third party viewer' policy</a> that all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL. It includes such draconian measures as 'You agree to update or delete at our request any data that you have received from <em>Second Life</em> or our servers and systems using a Third-Party Viewer,' 'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' (reported to the server),  'you must have a published privacy policy explaining your practices regarding user data,' and 'You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing <em>Second Life</em> if we determine that there is a violation.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>GigsVT writes " The Second Life viewer has been available under the GPL for three years .
Linden Lab , the maker of Second Life , recently released a 'third party viewer ' policy that all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL .
It includes such draconian measures as 'You agree to update or delete at our request any data that you have received from Second Life or our servers and systems using a Third-Party Viewer, ' 'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses ' ( reported to the server ) , 'you must have a published privacy policy explaining your practices regarding user data, ' and 'You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GigsVT writes "The Second Life viewer has been available under the GPL for three years.
Linden Lab, the maker of Second Life, recently released a 'third party viewer' policy that all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL.
It includes such draconian measures as 'You agree to update or delete at our request any data that you have received from Second Life or our servers and systems using a Third-Party Viewer,' 'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' (reported to the server),  'you must have a published privacy policy explaining your practices regarding user data,' and 'You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258424</id>
	<title>DRM</title>
	<author>Dzonatas</author>
	<datestamp>1265121180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; any third-party software client that logs into our servers</p><p>That is the same as DRM. This is what the GPL wanted to prevent with software that uses any 'media' that tries to enforce rights on the software being used. It doesn't matter if that media is the hardware or a server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; any third-party software client that logs into our serversThat is the same as DRM .
This is what the GPL wanted to prevent with software that uses any 'media ' that tries to enforce rights on the software being used .
It does n't matter if that media is the hardware or a server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; any third-party software client that logs into our serversThat is the same as DRM.
This is what the GPL wanted to prevent with software that uses any 'media' that tries to enforce rights on the software being used.
It doesn't matter if that media is the hardware or a server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258948</id>
	<title>Re:GP was right, it's Bullshit</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1265124360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could still use the client to access an OpenMetaverse server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could still use the client to access an OpenMetaverse server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could still use the client to access an OpenMetaverse server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31267878</id>
	<title>Re:Incorrect. New SL policy violates GPLv2 clause</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1265125260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a huge difference between what you're talking about, and getting listed in some directory.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a huge difference between what you 're talking about , and getting listed in some directory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a huge difference between what you're talking about, and getting listed in some directory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258790</id>
	<title>Re:typical slashdot scare mongering</title>
	<author>GigsVT</author>
	<datestamp>1265123460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's also a clause that says you agree to delete any data you downloaded using the client.</p><p>And that they can compel you to remove features that they don't like.</p><p>If their remedy was limited to terminating access to the service, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.  But you have this "agreement" that you become subject to by merely writing a compatible client, which subjects you to all kinds of requirements far beyond the GPL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's also a clause that says you agree to delete any data you downloaded using the client.And that they can compel you to remove features that they do n't like.If their remedy was limited to terminating access to the service , it would n't be as much of an issue .
But you have this " agreement " that you become subject to by merely writing a compatible client , which subjects you to all kinds of requirements far beyond the GPL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's also a clause that says you agree to delete any data you downloaded using the client.And that they can compel you to remove features that they don't like.If their remedy was limited to terminating access to the service, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.
But you have this "agreement" that you become subject to by merely writing a compatible client, which subjects you to all kinds of requirements far beyond the GPL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256448</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258420</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265121180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, not really.  For some reason Slashdot makes posts about it all the time though (it seems most likely slashvertising; paid or otherwise, something fishy is there).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , not really .
For some reason Slashdot makes posts about it all the time though ( it seems most likely slashvertising ; paid or otherwise , something fishy is there ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, not really.
For some reason Slashdot makes posts about it all the time though (it seems most likely slashvertising; paid or otherwise, something fishy is there).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31267834</id>
	<title>Re:Not really affecting the code...</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1265124960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is indeed the case, it only affects clients connecting to their servers.  But, since there's <a href="http://osgrid.org/" title="osgrid.org" rel="nofollow">OSgrid</a> [osgrid.org], this amounts to a giant BFD moment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is indeed the case , it only affects clients connecting to their servers .
But , since there 's OSgrid [ osgrid.org ] , this amounts to a giant BFD moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is indeed the case, it only affects clients connecting to their servers.
But, since there's OSgrid [osgrid.org], this amounts to a giant BFD moment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256452</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256520</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1265142780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure? The linked policy says, "This Policy governs access to Second Life and our technical platform that supports Second Life by any Third-Party Viewer or <strong>any third-party software client that logs into our servers</strong>." It looks like it's only section 6 that applies to "a Developer with a Third-Party Viewer that you would like to list in our Viewer Directory"; the rest seems to be a condition on any client that accesses Linden's servers.</p><p>That being said, I'm not sure that this is as egregious as the summary makes it sound. It seems mostly to amount to, "if you use a client to connect to our servers, that client must abide by our policies." Which doesn't seem all that unreasonable (Linden have the right to place conditions of use on access to their servers, even if some of the conditions are kind of wack), and certainly doesn't "all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL." First, there are plenty of modifications that could still be made without contravening Linden's terms of use; second, if you use their GPLed code to produce something that doesn't connect to their servers, you don't have to follow this policy at all. The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that <em>could</em> connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure ?
The linked policy says , " This Policy governs access to Second Life and our technical platform that supports Second Life by any Third-Party Viewer or any third-party software client that logs into our servers .
" It looks like it 's only section 6 that applies to " a Developer with a Third-Party Viewer that you would like to list in our Viewer Directory " ; the rest seems to be a condition on any client that accesses Linden 's servers.That being said , I 'm not sure that this is as egregious as the summary makes it sound .
It seems mostly to amount to , " if you use a client to connect to our servers , that client must abide by our policies .
" Which does n't seem all that unreasonable ( Linden have the right to place conditions of use on access to their servers , even if some of the conditions are kind of wack ) , and certainly does n't " all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL .
" First , there are plenty of modifications that could still be made without contravening Linden 's terms of use ; second , if you use their GPLed code to produce something that does n't connect to their servers , you do n't have to follow this policy at all .
The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers , even if they could also be used in other ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure?
The linked policy says, "This Policy governs access to Second Life and our technical platform that supports Second Life by any Third-Party Viewer or any third-party software client that logs into our servers.
" It looks like it's only section 6 that applies to "a Developer with a Third-Party Viewer that you would like to list in our Viewer Directory"; the rest seems to be a condition on any client that accesses Linden's servers.That being said, I'm not sure that this is as egregious as the summary makes it sound.
It seems mostly to amount to, "if you use a client to connect to our servers, that client must abide by our policies.
" Which doesn't seem all that unreasonable (Linden have the right to place conditions of use on access to their servers, even if some of the conditions are kind of wack), and certainly doesn't "all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL.
" First, there are plenty of modifications that could still be made without contravening Linden's terms of use; second, if you use their GPLed code to produce something that doesn't connect to their servers, you don't have to follow this policy at all.
The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256422</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31260502</id>
	<title>Re:Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>qubezz</author>
	<datestamp>1265131620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' </em>
<br> <br>
My MAC address is only the business of me, my switch, and my router.<br>
I think someone needs to teach their lawyers the OSI model.</htmltext>
<tokenext>'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses ' My MAC address is only the business of me , my switch , and my router .
I think someone needs to teach their lawyers the OSI model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' 
 
My MAC address is only the business of me, my switch, and my router.
I think someone needs to teach their lawyers the OSI model.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256664</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31259304</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>sheepofblue</author>
	<datestamp>1265126280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To late it already has started to come true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To late it already has started to come true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To late it already has started to come true.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256436</id>
	<title>people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1265142060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...</htmltext>
<tokenext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258652</id>
	<title>Re:Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>Dzonatas</author>
	<datestamp>1265122860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also a way to create DRM.</p><p>I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that no matter the media, hardware or software, that they'll notice that this is what the GPL is suppose to prevent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also a way to create DRM.I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that no matter the media , hardware or software , that they 'll notice that this is what the GPL is suppose to prevent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also a way to create DRM.I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that no matter the media, hardware or software, that they'll notice that this is what the GPL is suppose to prevent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256928</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265104560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...</p></div><p>Really?  In terms of stupidity, second life is far, far better than some things people did with their time in the past.  Burning women at the stake for being witches comes to mind.  We're not doing that anymore, I have to think that's a strong sign we're improving over time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...Really ?
In terms of stupidity , second life is far , far better than some things people did with their time in the past .
Burning women at the stake for being witches comes to mind .
We 're not doing that anymore , I have to think that 's a strong sign we 're improving over time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...Really?
In terms of stupidity, second life is far, far better than some things people did with their time in the past.
Burning women at the stake for being witches comes to mind.
We're not doing that anymore, I have to think that's a strong sign we're improving over time.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256754</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265102580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People always referencing the movie Idiocracy make me afraid it is already true. Denigrating other people because of the choices they make seems to be the modern equivalent of racism. The smartest person today could be proven an idiot tomorrow and vice versa....thats life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People always referencing the movie Idiocracy make me afraid it is already true .
Denigrating other people because of the choices they make seems to be the modern equivalent of racism .
The smartest person today could be proven an idiot tomorrow and vice versa....thats life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People always referencing the movie Idiocracy make me afraid it is already true.
Denigrating other people because of the choices they make seems to be the modern equivalent of racism.
The smartest person today could be proven an idiot tomorrow and vice versa....thats life.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31260344</id>
	<title>Re:Be assured, this is backpedaling, and here's wh</title>
	<author>flyneye</author>
	<datestamp>1265130840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sound like some "special" consultant, with no clue about GPL is giving advise.<br>A job I worked had one come in and screw things up royally in the same manner with no clue about the contracts or legal ramifications involved and as a bonus he installed cracked software on the company computers and fired randomly employees with brains enough to keep the company afloat, before skipping off with the money and right before the private investigator produced evidence he was a charlatan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sound like some " special " consultant , with no clue about GPL is giving advise.A job I worked had one come in and screw things up royally in the same manner with no clue about the contracts or legal ramifications involved and as a bonus he installed cracked software on the company computers and fired randomly employees with brains enough to keep the company afloat , before skipping off with the money and right before the private investigator produced evidence he was a charlatan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sound like some "special" consultant, with no clue about GPL is giving advise.A job I worked had one come in and screw things up royally in the same manner with no clue about the contracts or legal ramifications involved and as a bonus he installed cracked software on the company computers and fired randomly employees with brains enough to keep the company afloat, before skipping off with the money and right before the private investigator produced evidence he was a charlatan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31269284</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265140440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...</p></div><p>Thinks like WOW are already making it come true<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...Thinks like WOW are already making it come true : P .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...Thinks like WOW are already making it come true :P.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31257420</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1265110560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>yes, because we couldn't possibly benefit from pointing out someone is doing something stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , because we could n't possibly benefit from pointing out someone is doing something stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, because we couldn't possibly benefit from pointing out someone is doing something stupid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256754</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258796</id>
	<title>Re:Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell has that MAC address got to do with writing VHDL/Verilog?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell has that MAC address got to do with writing VHDL/Verilog ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell has that MAC address got to do with writing VHDL/Verilog?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256664</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258242</id>
	<title>Re:GP was right, it's Bullshit</title>
	<author>kripkenstein</author>
	<datestamp>1265119980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I realize that you can read the particular sentence in a nefarious way. But it seems a very awkward reading. And, the GPL clearly gives you rights to use the code - just not to connect to their servers.
<br> <br>
If they removed the GPL, and retained only these legal terms, there might be room for concern. As it is, maybe the terms could be worded better, but I don't see them as 'backpedaling on the GPL' as the title says. Anyhow, they will probably issue a clarification given the current uproar. If they <b>don't</b>, then I guess I might start to worry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize that you can read the particular sentence in a nefarious way .
But it seems a very awkward reading .
And , the GPL clearly gives you rights to use the code - just not to connect to their servers .
If they removed the GPL , and retained only these legal terms , there might be room for concern .
As it is , maybe the terms could be worded better , but I do n't see them as 'backpedaling on the GPL ' as the title says .
Anyhow , they will probably issue a clarification given the current uproar .
If they do n't , then I guess I might start to worry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize that you can read the particular sentence in a nefarious way.
But it seems a very awkward reading.
And, the GPL clearly gives you rights to use the code - just not to connect to their servers.
If they removed the GPL, and retained only these legal terms, there might be room for concern.
As it is, maybe the terms could be worded better, but I don't see them as 'backpedaling on the GPL' as the title says.
Anyhow, they will probably issue a clarification given the current uproar.
If they don't, then I guess I might start to worry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258100</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31260604</id>
	<title>Re:Be assured, this is backpedaling, and here's wh</title>
	<author>dfghjk</author>
	<datestamp>1265132040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This is exactly an attempt to erase the freedoms granted under the GPL."</p><p>"One egregious attempt to retroactively take back rights expressly provided to you by the distribution terms of the Second Life viewer."</p><p>Where does the GPL grant the freedom to violate terms of service?  Distribution terms are not rights to violate terms of service.</p><p>"Changing your MAC address is routine networking for many people whose network admins tie their access credentials to their MAC addresses.</p><p>Someone might want to protect their privacy while cybersexing (snicker) or someone may even want to leak important information to the public using Second Life (I do have a fantasy to modify the open source Quake 3 engine to trickle out a stream of data out in the least significant bits of player movement. Can you imagine the Chinese trying to figure that one out?)"</p><p>How does the GPL authorize you to do these things?</p><p>"These aren't just obscure corner cases or open source zealotry, these are things I personally expect to have from open source software."</p><p>Who cares what you expect?  Open source doesn't promise any of that.</p><p>"I realize this isn't a GPL violation, but distributing the client under the GPL and then telling me I can't protect my privacy..."</p><p>The client is distributed under the GPL, the service isn't.</p><p>"...is a bit like giving me an "open source cellular handset" and then telling me exactly what audio codec I'm allowed to use for voice conversations so spy software can analyze my calls for content, you know, unless I build my own cellular network."</p><p>As open source advocates are fond of saying when it suits them, if you don't like it then don't use it.  You can always write your own.</p><p>One can argue that their approach may not be the best one, but it's within their right to take that approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This is exactly an attempt to erase the freedoms granted under the GPL .
" " One egregious attempt to retroactively take back rights expressly provided to you by the distribution terms of the Second Life viewer .
" Where does the GPL grant the freedom to violate terms of service ?
Distribution terms are not rights to violate terms of service .
" Changing your MAC address is routine networking for many people whose network admins tie their access credentials to their MAC addresses.Someone might want to protect their privacy while cybersexing ( snicker ) or someone may even want to leak important information to the public using Second Life ( I do have a fantasy to modify the open source Quake 3 engine to trickle out a stream of data out in the least significant bits of player movement .
Can you imagine the Chinese trying to figure that one out ?
) " How does the GPL authorize you to do these things ?
" These are n't just obscure corner cases or open source zealotry , these are things I personally expect to have from open source software .
" Who cares what you expect ?
Open source does n't promise any of that .
" I realize this is n't a GPL violation , but distributing the client under the GPL and then telling me I ca n't protect my privacy... " The client is distributed under the GPL , the service is n't .
" ...is a bit like giving me an " open source cellular handset " and then telling me exactly what audio codec I 'm allowed to use for voice conversations so spy software can analyze my calls for content , you know , unless I build my own cellular network .
" As open source advocates are fond of saying when it suits them , if you do n't like it then do n't use it .
You can always write your own.One can argue that their approach may not be the best one , but it 's within their right to take that approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This is exactly an attempt to erase the freedoms granted under the GPL.
""One egregious attempt to retroactively take back rights expressly provided to you by the distribution terms of the Second Life viewer.
"Where does the GPL grant the freedom to violate terms of service?
Distribution terms are not rights to violate terms of service.
"Changing your MAC address is routine networking for many people whose network admins tie their access credentials to their MAC addresses.Someone might want to protect their privacy while cybersexing (snicker) or someone may even want to leak important information to the public using Second Life (I do have a fantasy to modify the open source Quake 3 engine to trickle out a stream of data out in the least significant bits of player movement.
Can you imagine the Chinese trying to figure that one out?
)"How does the GPL authorize you to do these things?
"These aren't just obscure corner cases or open source zealotry, these are things I personally expect to have from open source software.
"Who cares what you expect?
Open source doesn't promise any of that.
"I realize this isn't a GPL violation, but distributing the client under the GPL and then telling me I can't protect my privacy..."The client is distributed under the GPL, the service isn't.
"...is a bit like giving me an "open source cellular handset" and then telling me exactly what audio codec I'm allowed to use for voice conversations so spy software can analyze my calls for content, you know, unless I build my own cellular network.
"As open source advocates are fond of saying when it suits them, if you don't like it then don't use it.
You can always write your own.One can argue that their approach may not be the best one, but it's within their right to take that approach.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31259780</id>
	<title>Re:typical slashdot scare mongering</title>
	<author>mik</author>
	<datestamp>1265128320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno, while the threat is "we'll ban you from Second Life", the constraints on software are darn clear - they want developers to require shrinkwrap EULA to *distribute* downstream derived works, and require developers to assume liability for all downstream developer and user actions.  Sounds like GPL conflict to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , while the threat is " we 'll ban you from Second Life " , the constraints on software are darn clear - they want developers to require shrinkwrap EULA to * distribute * downstream derived works , and require developers to assume liability for all downstream developer and user actions .
Sounds like GPL conflict to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, while the threat is "we'll ban you from Second Life", the constraints on software are darn clear - they want developers to require shrinkwrap EULA to *distribute* downstream derived works, and require developers to assume liability for all downstream developer and user actions.
Sounds like GPL conflict to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31260266</id>
	<title>Re:Incorrect. New SL policy violates GPLv2 clause</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1265130480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*shrug* not really - the developers can still make their code as they see fit, they just can't use it to connect to Linden Labs servers. They are free to host their own though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* shrug * not really - the developers can still make their code as they see fit , they just ca n't use it to connect to Linden Labs servers .
They are free to host their own though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*shrug* not really - the developers can still make their code as they see fit, they just can't use it to connect to Linden Labs servers.
They are free to host their own though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256448</id>
	<title>typical slashdot scare mongering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The items mentioned in the policy have NOTHING to do with the freedoms granted under the GPL. Draconican EULAs are par for the course in the online gaming world.</p><p>Read the last line before the Table of Contents: "If you do not comply, you are not allowed to use Second Life through a Third-Party Viewer, and in severe cases Linden Lab may terminate your access to Second Life entirely."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The items mentioned in the policy have NOTHING to do with the freedoms granted under the GPL .
Draconican EULAs are par for the course in the online gaming world.Read the last line before the Table of Contents : " If you do not comply , you are not allowed to use Second Life through a Third-Party Viewer , and in severe cases Linden Lab may terminate your access to Second Life entirely .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The items mentioned in the policy have NOTHING to do with the freedoms granted under the GPL.
Draconican EULAs are par for the course in the online gaming world.Read the last line before the Table of Contents: "If you do not comply, you are not allowed to use Second Life through a Third-Party Viewer, and in severe cases Linden Lab may terminate your access to Second Life entirely.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258664</id>
	<title>Re:GP was right, it's Bullshit</title>
	<author>flyneye</author>
	<datestamp>1265122920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, I guess he'll be chatting with lawyers representing the GPL. Is that a fair estimate?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I guess he 'll be chatting with lawyers representing the GPL .
Is that a fair estimate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I guess he'll be chatting with lawyers representing the GPL.
Is that a fair estimate?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31257702</id>
	<title>Be assured, this is backpedaling, and here's why:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265114040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that <em>could</em> connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.</p></div><p>This part was "slightly dubious?"</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation.</p></div><p>This is <b>exactly</b> an attempt to <em>erase the freedoms granted under the GPL</em>.</p><p>I think the problem and the reason nobody seems to <em>get</em> the problem is that the story submitter, GigsVT, wanted to include more excerpts than just the worst one, and the worst one was the one that deserved the most scathing criticism, and the most scathing criticism is what got the headline. Imagine that.</p><p>So what do we have here? Let's see:</p><ul> <li>A bunch of policy changes that might irk some people (see below for serious issues with one of those.)</li><li>One egregious attempt to retroactively take back rights expressly provided to you by the distribution terms of the Second Life viewer.</li></ul><p>It's confusing when there's more than one thing, and all of those things are not the exact same thing, isn't it?</p><p>Mod parent down.</p><p>Also...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You must not mask IP or MAC addresses (reported to the server)</p></div><p>This is like DRM: It only negatively affects those who want to conform to the rules, and does nothing to stifle those it calls attention to. The worst part is that "mask" is a completely informal term.</p><p>Changing your MAC address is routine networking for many people whose network admins tie their access credentials to their MAC addresses.</p><p>Someone might want to protect their privacy while cybersexing (snicker) or someone may even want to leak important information to the public using Second Life (I do have a fantasy to modify the open source Quake 3 engine to trickle out a stream of data out in the least significant bits of player movement. Can you imagine the Chinese trying to figure that one out?)</p><p>These aren't just obscure corner cases or open source zealotry, these are things I personally expect to have from open source software. I switched from AOL instant messenger to an open source IM client because I wanted an IM client I could retrofit with my own crude privacy software. Years later I am using sophisticated <a href="http://cypherpunks.ca/otr" title="cypherpunks.ca" rel="nofollow">OTR</a> [cypherpunks.ca], and I have <a href="http://www.torproject.org/" title="torproject.org" rel="nofollow">TOR</a> [torproject.org] at my disposal if I feel the need to "mask" my IP. I realize this isn't a GPL violation, but distributing the client under the GPL and then telling me I can't protect my privacy (while not violating any other terms of service, mind you; remember this anti-"masking" restriction is only something that affects people who want to obey the rules, not those who wish to cheat them) is a bit like giving me an "open source cellular handset" and then telling me exactly what audio codec I'm allowed to use for voice conversations so spy software can analyze my calls for content, you know, unless I build my own cellular network.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers , even if they could also be used in other ways.This part was " slightly dubious ?
" You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation.This is exactly an attempt to erase the freedoms granted under the GPL.I think the problem and the reason nobody seems to get the problem is that the story submitter , GigsVT , wanted to include more excerpts than just the worst one , and the worst one was the one that deserved the most scathing criticism , and the most scathing criticism is what got the headline .
Imagine that.So what do we have here ?
Let 's see : A bunch of policy changes that might irk some people ( see below for serious issues with one of those .
) One egregious attempt to retroactively take back rights expressly provided to you by the distribution terms of the Second Life viewer.It 's confusing when there 's more than one thing , and all of those things are not the exact same thing , is n't it ? Mod parent down.Also...You must not mask IP or MAC addresses ( reported to the server ) This is like DRM : It only negatively affects those who want to conform to the rules , and does nothing to stifle those it calls attention to .
The worst part is that " mask " is a completely informal term.Changing your MAC address is routine networking for many people whose network admins tie their access credentials to their MAC addresses.Someone might want to protect their privacy while cybersexing ( snicker ) or someone may even want to leak important information to the public using Second Life ( I do have a fantasy to modify the open source Quake 3 engine to trickle out a stream of data out in the least significant bits of player movement .
Can you imagine the Chinese trying to figure that one out ?
) These are n't just obscure corner cases or open source zealotry , these are things I personally expect to have from open source software .
I switched from AOL instant messenger to an open source IM client because I wanted an IM client I could retrofit with my own crude privacy software .
Years later I am using sophisticated OTR [ cypherpunks.ca ] , and I have TOR [ torproject.org ] at my disposal if I feel the need to " mask " my IP .
I realize this is n't a GPL violation , but distributing the client under the GPL and then telling me I ca n't protect my privacy ( while not violating any other terms of service , mind you ; remember this anti- " masking " restriction is only something that affects people who want to obey the rules , not those who wish to cheat them ) is a bit like giving me an " open source cellular handset " and then telling me exactly what audio codec I 'm allowed to use for voice conversations so spy software can analyze my calls for content , you know , unless I build my own cellular network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.This part was "slightly dubious?
"You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation.This is exactly an attempt to erase the freedoms granted under the GPL.I think the problem and the reason nobody seems to get the problem is that the story submitter, GigsVT, wanted to include more excerpts than just the worst one, and the worst one was the one that deserved the most scathing criticism, and the most scathing criticism is what got the headline.
Imagine that.So what do we have here?
Let's see: A bunch of policy changes that might irk some people (see below for serious issues with one of those.
)One egregious attempt to retroactively take back rights expressly provided to you by the distribution terms of the Second Life viewer.It's confusing when there's more than one thing, and all of those things are not the exact same thing, isn't it?Mod parent down.Also...You must not mask IP or MAC addresses (reported to the server)This is like DRM: It only negatively affects those who want to conform to the rules, and does nothing to stifle those it calls attention to.
The worst part is that "mask" is a completely informal term.Changing your MAC address is routine networking for many people whose network admins tie their access credentials to their MAC addresses.Someone might want to protect their privacy while cybersexing (snicker) or someone may even want to leak important information to the public using Second Life (I do have a fantasy to modify the open source Quake 3 engine to trickle out a stream of data out in the least significant bits of player movement.
Can you imagine the Chinese trying to figure that one out?
)These aren't just obscure corner cases or open source zealotry, these are things I personally expect to have from open source software.
I switched from AOL instant messenger to an open source IM client because I wanted an IM client I could retrofit with my own crude privacy software.
Years later I am using sophisticated OTR [cypherpunks.ca], and I have TOR [torproject.org] at my disposal if I feel the need to "mask" my IP.
I realize this isn't a GPL violation, but distributing the client under the GPL and then telling me I can't protect my privacy (while not violating any other terms of service, mind you; remember this anti-"masking" restriction is only something that affects people who want to obey the rules, not those who wish to cheat them) is a bit like giving me an "open source cellular handset" and then telling me exactly what audio codec I'm allowed to use for voice conversations so spy software can analyze my calls for content, you know, unless I build my own cellular network.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258100</id>
	<title>Re:GP was right, it's Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265118420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are correct that prohibiting certain software from connecting to their service is <i>not</i> a violation of the GPL but if you read the summary:</p><p>"The Second Life viewer has been available under the GPL  for three years. Linden Lab, the maker of Second Life, recently released a 'third party viewer' policy that all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL. It includes such draconian measures as 'You agree to update or delete at our request any data that you have received from Second Life or our servers and systems using a Third-Party Viewer,' 'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' (reported to the server), 'you must have a published privacy policy explaining your practices regarding user data,' and <b>'You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation.'</b>" </p><p>

Imposing additional restrictions on distribution is a clear violation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are correct that prohibiting certain software from connecting to their service is not a violation of the GPL but if you read the summary : " The Second Life viewer has been available under the GPL for three years .
Linden Lab , the maker of Second Life , recently released a 'third party viewer ' policy that all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL .
It includes such draconian measures as 'You agree to update or delete at our request any data that you have received from Second Life or our servers and systems using a Third-Party Viewer, ' 'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses ' ( reported to the server ) , 'you must have a published privacy policy explaining your practices regarding user data, ' and 'You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation .
' " Imposing additional restrictions on distribution is a clear violation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are correct that prohibiting certain software from connecting to their service is not a violation of the GPL but if you read the summary:"The Second Life viewer has been available under the GPL  for three years.
Linden Lab, the maker of Second Life, recently released a 'third party viewer' policy that all but erases the freedoms granted under the GPL.
It includes such draconian measures as 'You agree to update or delete at our request any data that you have received from Second Life or our servers and systems using a Third-Party Viewer,' 'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' (reported to the server), 'you must have a published privacy policy explaining your practices regarding user data,' and 'You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation.
'" 

Imposing additional restrictions on distribution is a clear violation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31259186</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>g0bshiTe</author>
	<datestamp>1265125680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This actually due to the number of viewers, that are incorporating copybot features. In particular most likely due to NeilLife Viewer which circumvented Linden Labs object permissions altogether clientside and allowed the user to copy things totally, including textures which used to be limited to copying the UUID of the image.<br> <br>I suspect that CryoLife had something to do with the change as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This actually due to the number of viewers , that are incorporating copybot features .
In particular most likely due to NeilLife Viewer which circumvented Linden Labs object permissions altogether clientside and allowed the user to copy things totally , including textures which used to be limited to copying the UUID of the image .
I suspect that CryoLife had something to do with the change as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This actually due to the number of viewers, that are incorporating copybot features.
In particular most likely due to NeilLife Viewer which circumvented Linden Labs object permissions altogether clientside and allowed the user to copy things totally, including textures which used to be limited to copying the UUID of the image.
I suspect that CryoLife had something to do with the change as well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Jurily</author>
	<datestamp>1265104080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.</p></div><p>Well, that's the fun part. They released the code, so now they have absolutely no idea what builds connect to their servers. As long as it behaves like the original client from their POV, they have no way of telling, and should probably stop obsessing about it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers , even if they could also be used in other ways.The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers , even if they could also be used in other ways.Well , that 's the fun part .
They released the code , so now they have absolutely no idea what builds connect to their servers .
As long as it behaves like the original client from their POV , they have no way of telling , and should probably stop obsessing about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.The only slightly dubious thing is that they do seem to want to restrict distribution of clients that could connect to their servers, even if they could also be used in other ways.Well, that's the fun part.
They released the code, so now they have absolutely no idea what builds connect to their servers.
As long as it behaves like the original client from their POV, they have no way of telling, and should probably stop obsessing about it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31260800</id>
	<title>Re:typical slashdot scare mongering</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1265132760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would categorize it more as philosophical difference and less as deliberate scare-mongering.</p><p>For the record, I agree with you.  The GPL says "you can do X, Y, and Z", but Second Life says "if you do X, Y, and Z in ways we don't like, you can't use our servers"; I see no conflict there.  Conflict would be if they tried to use copyright law to enforce their constraints.</p><p>But the philosophical stance of a lot of Free Software folks is, freedom to change software is useless if you can't run the changes.  So to them, TiVO becomes responsible for providing you a platform for your version of their software even if that's not what they want to sell.  And, likewise, Second Life becomes responsible for providing the server environment in which you can use your modified client even if that's incompatible with their goals... hell, even if in some instance that's incompatible with the good of the service and its users.</p><p>By contrast, my view is that if you modify your client software in a way the server operator doesn't like, it's up to you to find an enviornment in which to use your software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would categorize it more as philosophical difference and less as deliberate scare-mongering.For the record , I agree with you .
The GPL says " you can do X , Y , and Z " , but Second Life says " if you do X , Y , and Z in ways we do n't like , you ca n't use our servers " ; I see no conflict there .
Conflict would be if they tried to use copyright law to enforce their constraints.But the philosophical stance of a lot of Free Software folks is , freedom to change software is useless if you ca n't run the changes .
So to them , TiVO becomes responsible for providing you a platform for your version of their software even if that 's not what they want to sell .
And , likewise , Second Life becomes responsible for providing the server environment in which you can use your modified client even if that 's incompatible with their goals... hell , even if in some instance that 's incompatible with the good of the service and its users.By contrast , my view is that if you modify your client software in a way the server operator does n't like , it 's up to you to find an enviornment in which to use your software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would categorize it more as philosophical difference and less as deliberate scare-mongering.For the record, I agree with you.
The GPL says "you can do X, Y, and Z", but Second Life says "if you do X, Y, and Z in ways we don't like, you can't use our servers"; I see no conflict there.
Conflict would be if they tried to use copyright law to enforce their constraints.But the philosophical stance of a lot of Free Software folks is, freedom to change software is useless if you can't run the changes.
So to them, TiVO becomes responsible for providing you a platform for your version of their software even if that's not what they want to sell.
And, likewise, Second Life becomes responsible for providing the server environment in which you can use your modified client even if that's incompatible with their goals... hell, even if in some instance that's incompatible with the good of the service and its users.By contrast, my view is that if you modify your client software in a way the server operator doesn't like, it's up to you to find an enviornment in which to use your software.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:GP was right, it's Bullshit</title>
	<author>Balp</author>
	<datestamp>1265118540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really, there are more limiations, some wordings in the new licence is not good, the intetions is this but that have some strange wording that implises stuff they problem didn't mean to get there. Like all creators of thridparty viewers have to follow GPL even if some make a BSD licence viewer from a different source base like libomv.</p><p>It also may limit how I as user send the gpl:ed software to an orther person. I think in practice this may wortk as intended and be little harm. even if to my reading the policy is well written.</p><p>"# You are responsible for all uses you make of Third-Party Viewers, and if you are a Developer, you are also responsible for all Third-Party Viewers that you develop or distribute."</p><p>Does that mean I as developer are resopsible for all users. as I'm resposnsible for all "Third-Party Viewers", and if some onbe just distribures and not develop?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really , there are more limiations , some wordings in the new licence is not good , the intetions is this but that have some strange wording that implises stuff they problem did n't mean to get there .
Like all creators of thridparty viewers have to follow GPL even if some make a BSD licence viewer from a different source base like libomv.It also may limit how I as user send the gpl : ed software to an orther person .
I think in practice this may wortk as intended and be little harm .
even if to my reading the policy is well written .
" # You are responsible for all uses you make of Third-Party Viewers , and if you are a Developer , you are also responsible for all Third-Party Viewers that you develop or distribute .
" Does that mean I as developer are resopsible for all users .
as I 'm resposnsible for all " Third-Party Viewers " , and if some onbe just distribures and not develop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really, there are more limiations, some wordings in the new licence is not good, the intetions is this but that have some strange wording that implises stuff they problem didn't mean to get there.
Like all creators of thridparty viewers have to follow GPL even if some make a BSD licence viewer from a different source base like libomv.It also may limit how I as user send the gpl:ed software to an orther person.
I think in practice this may wortk as intended and be little harm.
even if to my reading the policy is well written.
"# You are responsible for all uses you make of Third-Party Viewers, and if you are a Developer, you are also responsible for all Third-Party Viewers that you develop or distribute.
"Does that mean I as developer are resopsible for all users.
as I'm resposnsible for all "Third-Party Viewers", and if some onbe just distribures and not develop?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256988</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31268412</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265130660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our hen recently has become gender confused and has started to flap her wings and crow in the morning as if she were a rooster(it's the worst most awful un-roosterish sound you could ever imagine). If this was a few hundred years ago my wife would have been burnt alive for that happening. Makes me wish for less tolerant times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our hen recently has become gender confused and has started to flap her wings and crow in the morning as if she were a rooster ( it 's the worst most awful un-roosterish sound you could ever imagine ) .
If this was a few hundred years ago my wife would have been burnt alive for that happening .
Makes me wish for less tolerant times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our hen recently has become gender confused and has started to flap her wings and crow in the morning as if she were a rooster(it's the worst most awful un-roosterish sound you could ever imagine).
If this was a few hundred years ago my wife would have been burnt alive for that happening.
Makes me wish for less tolerant times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256928</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31257848</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1265115600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do I get to do an obligatory <a href="http://xkcd.com/603/" title="xkcd.com">xkcd</a> [xkcd.com] here?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I get to do an obligatory xkcd [ xkcd.com ] here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I get to do an obligatory xkcd [xkcd.com] here?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256754</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256452</id>
	<title>Not really affecting the code...</title>
	<author>nhaines</author>
	<datestamp>1265142180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I don't think what they're doing is good or smart, I suspect this would really only affect the GPLed clients accessing the Second Life servers run by Linden Labs and not client use on any private servers that are running.  And Linden does have the right to manage the data they store on their servers as they see fit.</p><p>The beauty of the GPLed client is that users and developers can choose which servers to point their clients at--and pick the ones that have terms they agree wtih.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I do n't think what they 're doing is good or smart , I suspect this would really only affect the GPLed clients accessing the Second Life servers run by Linden Labs and not client use on any private servers that are running .
And Linden does have the right to manage the data they store on their servers as they see fit.The beauty of the GPLed client is that users and developers can choose which servers to point their clients at--and pick the ones that have terms they agree wtih .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I don't think what they're doing is good or smart, I suspect this would really only affect the GPLed clients accessing the Second Life servers run by Linden Labs and not client use on any private servers that are running.
And Linden does have the right to manage the data they store on their servers as they see fit.The beauty of the GPLed client is that users and developers can choose which servers to point their clients at--and pick the ones that have terms they agree wtih.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31261834</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265136840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And FOX news doesn&rsquo;t?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>I bet they are at least already planning the show &ldquo;OW, my balls!&rdquo;.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And FOX news doesn    t ?
; ) I bet they are at least already planning the show    OW , my balls !    .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And FOX news doesn’t?
;)I bet they are at least already planning the show “OW, my balls!”.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31269342</id>
	<title>Ralph pls go</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267128240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31260288</id>
	<title>Re:Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1265130600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder: my ISP provides access only through NAT. I'm pretty sure they filter off my MAC as well. Does that mean I can't access SL any more?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder : my ISP provides access only through NAT .
I 'm pretty sure they filter off my MAC as well .
Does that mean I ca n't access SL any more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder: my ISP provides access only through NAT.
I'm pretty sure they filter off my MAC as well.
Does that mean I can't access SL any more?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31257550</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1265112060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Linden have the right to place conditions of use on access to their servers, even if some of the conditions are kind of wack</p></div><p>Exactly.  What is it with some people's sense of entitlement these days?  Back before I was chasing kids off my lawn, if a company offered a service we took a look at the conditions that service was offered under, evaluated whether or not it met our needs, and if we didn't like it we took our business elsewhere.  Kids these days stamp their feet and start whining on websites that they don't get what they want.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linden have the right to place conditions of use on access to their servers , even if some of the conditions are kind of wackExactly .
What is it with some people 's sense of entitlement these days ?
Back before I was chasing kids off my lawn , if a company offered a service we took a look at the conditions that service was offered under , evaluated whether or not it met our needs , and if we did n't like it we took our business elsewhere .
Kids these days stamp their feet and start whining on websites that they do n't get what they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linden have the right to place conditions of use on access to their servers, even if some of the conditions are kind of wackExactly.
What is it with some people's sense of entitlement these days?
Back before I was chasing kids off my lawn, if a company offered a service we took a look at the conditions that service was offered under, evaluated whether or not it met our needs, and if we didn't like it we took our business elsewhere.
Kids these days stamp their feet and start whining on websites that they don't get what they want.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31257922</id>
	<title>Re:typical slashdot scare mongering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265116440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a kdawson post.  As soon as you see his name in the story, read the slashdot article the same way you would watch Fox News.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a kdawson post .
As soon as you see his name in the story , read the slashdot article the same way you would watch Fox News .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a kdawson post.
As soon as you see his name in the story, read the slashdot article the same way you would watch Fox News.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256448</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31259072</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>GigsVT</author>
	<datestamp>1265124960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> "if you use a client to connect to our servers, that client must abide by our policies."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>No its, "if you produce a client that is able to connect to our servers"... since developers are liable for what their users do with the client under this policy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" if you use a client to connect to our servers , that client must abide by our policies .
" .No its , " if you produce a client that is able to connect to our servers " ... since developers are liable for what their users do with the client under this policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "if you use a client to connect to our servers, that client must abide by our policies.
" .No its, "if you produce a client that is able to connect to our servers"... since developers are liable for what their users do with the client under this policy.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256520</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256422</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These restrictions only apply if you want to list the viewer on Linden Lab's third party viewer listing on secondlife.com. You can still connect to Secondlife with any client you wish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These restrictions only apply if you want to list the viewer on Linden Lab 's third party viewer listing on secondlife.com .
You can still connect to Secondlife with any client you wish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These restrictions only apply if you want to list the viewer on Linden Lab's third party viewer listing on secondlife.com.
You can still connect to Secondlife with any client you wish.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256526</id>
	<title>Re:Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>Deus.1.01</author>
	<datestamp>1265142900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OH COME ON!<br>I'm a black programmer and pizza delivery boy who owns a Japanese sword.</p><p>Don't take away the nuances and potential that makes the metaverse attractive!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OH COME ON ! I 'm a black programmer and pizza delivery boy who owns a Japanese sword.Do n't take away the nuances and potential that makes the metaverse attractive !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OH COME ON!I'm a black programmer and pizza delivery boy who owns a Japanese sword.Don't take away the nuances and potential that makes the metaverse attractive!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256826</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1265103480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...</i></p><p>Idiocracy came true the moment the studio that paid for the movie decided not to give the movie a normal release because it was too controversial (to the idiots). If the successive waves of Birthers, Deathers and TEA Partiers haven't since convinced you, you're the subject of the movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...Idiocracy came true the moment the studio that paid for the movie decided not to give the movie a normal release because it was too controversial ( to the idiots ) .
If the successive waves of Birthers , Deathers and TEA Partiers have n't since convinced you , you 're the subject of the movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>things like second life make me afraid the movie idiocracy will come true...Idiocracy came true the moment the studio that paid for the movie decided not to give the movie a normal release because it was too controversial (to the idiots).
If the successive waves of Birthers, Deathers and TEA Partiers haven't since convinced you, you're the subject of the movie.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256456</id>
	<title>FoxyViewer and TigressViewer are incompatible???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The plain jane SL viewer is sooo bland.</p><p>This kitty's sharpening his claws!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The plain jane SL viewer is sooo bland.This kitty 's sharpening his claws !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The plain jane SL viewer is sooo bland.This kitty's sharpening his claws!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256664</id>
	<title>Re:Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265101380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But my MAC address <i>IS</i> <tt>fe:ed:fa:ce:be:ef</tt> , you insensitive clod!</p><p>(I am an FPGA developer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But my MAC address IS fe : ed : fa : ce : be : ef , you insensitive clod !
( I am an FPGA developer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But my MAC address IS fe:ed:fa:ce:be:ef , you insensitive clod!
(I am an FPGA developer).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31267858</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1265125140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How can you play a virtual reality?  You have set goals and the ability to win or lose a game, you don't necessarily have to have either in a virtual reality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How can you play a virtual reality ?
You have set goals and the ability to win or lose a game , you do n't necessarily have to have either in a virtual reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can you play a virtual reality?
You have set goals and the ability to win or lose a game, you don't necessarily have to have either in a virtual reality.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31261476</id>
	<title>Lucky me</title>
	<author>Wokan</author>
	<datestamp>1265135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since my video card wasn't blessed by the Second Life gods as good enough, my only experience with it was somewhere between terrible and horrible.  Linden can take it's virtual world and flush it down the toilet (real or virtual) as far as I care.  I'm glad I didn't invest much of what little time we have on this earth to a fake one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since my video card was n't blessed by the Second Life gods as good enough , my only experience with it was somewhere between terrible and horrible .
Linden can take it 's virtual world and flush it down the toilet ( real or virtual ) as far as I care .
I 'm glad I did n't invest much of what little time we have on this earth to a fake one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since my video card wasn't blessed by the Second Life gods as good enough, my only experience with it was somewhere between terrible and horrible.
Linden can take it's virtual world and flush it down the toilet (real or virtual) as far as I care.
I'm glad I didn't invest much of what little time we have on this earth to a fake one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256462</id>
	<title>Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' (reported to the server),</p><p>Any bets that this has been driven by griefers more than anything else?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; 'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses ' ( reported to the server ) ,Any bets that this has been driven by griefers more than anything else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;'You must not mask IP or MAC addresses' (reported to the server),Any bets that this has been driven by griefers more than anything else?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258324</id>
	<title>Incorrect.  New SL policy violates GPLv2 clause 6</title>
	<author>Morgaine</author>
	<datestamp>1265120520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The beauty of the GPLed client is that users and developers can choose which servers to point their clients at--and pick the ones that have terms they agree wtih.</p></div></blockquote><p>Unfortunately, no.  The sources can no longer be licensed under GPL, because Linden's new policy conflicts with GPLv2's clause 6:</p><p>"<b>You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.</b>"</p><p>This is literal wording taken from the <a href="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html" title="gnu.org">GPLv2 license</a> [gnu.org], and is further reinforced in the <a href="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html" title="gnu.org">GPLv2 FAQ</a> [gnu.org].</p><p>Linden Lab is imposing <em>massive</em> further restrictions on <b>developer</b> recipients of their code, making it completely impossible for them to distribute the code without accepting those restrictions.  This restriction of the ability to distribute code is not permitted by the GPL (of any version).</p><p>GPL cannot be used to grant fewer freedoms than the GPL specifies.  That's a core term of the license.</p><p>The freedom to develop and distribute cannot be impeded while you license under the GPL.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The beauty of the GPLed client is that users and developers can choose which servers to point their clients at--and pick the ones that have terms they agree wtih.Unfortunately , no .
The sources can no longer be licensed under GPL , because Linden 's new policy conflicts with GPLv2 's clause 6 : " You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients ' exercise of the rights granted herein .
" This is literal wording taken from the GPLv2 license [ gnu.org ] , and is further reinforced in the GPLv2 FAQ [ gnu.org ] .Linden Lab is imposing massive further restrictions on developer recipients of their code , making it completely impossible for them to distribute the code without accepting those restrictions .
This restriction of the ability to distribute code is not permitted by the GPL ( of any version ) .GPL can not be used to grant fewer freedoms than the GPL specifies .
That 's a core term of the license.The freedom to develop and distribute can not be impeded while you license under the GPL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The beauty of the GPLed client is that users and developers can choose which servers to point their clients at--and pick the ones that have terms they agree wtih.Unfortunately, no.
The sources can no longer be licensed under GPL, because Linden's new policy conflicts with GPLv2's clause 6:"You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.
"This is literal wording taken from the GPLv2 license [gnu.org], and is further reinforced in the GPLv2 FAQ [gnu.org].Linden Lab is imposing massive further restrictions on developer recipients of their code, making it completely impossible for them to distribute the code without accepting those restrictions.
This restriction of the ability to distribute code is not permitted by the GPL (of any version).GPL cannot be used to grant fewer freedoms than the GPL specifies.
That's a core term of the license.The freedom to develop and distribute cannot be impeded while you license under the GPL.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256452</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31262806</id>
	<title>Re:Not spoofing the MAC and IP addy</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1265140920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm more curious why LL gives a damn about MAC addresses.  It's not like they'll see them on their end unless you've hooked up your computer to their server LAN.  Do they key permissions off of your MAC?  That seems unlikely since you can log in from any machine by just downloading the client and supplying a password.  Can you lock content down to specific machines (or more precisely: specific network cards)?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm more curious why LL gives a damn about MAC addresses .
It 's not like they 'll see them on their end unless you 've hooked up your computer to their server LAN .
Do they key permissions off of your MAC ?
That seems unlikely since you can log in from any machine by just downloading the client and supplying a password .
Can you lock content down to specific machines ( or more precisely : specific network cards ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm more curious why LL gives a damn about MAC addresses.
It's not like they'll see them on their end unless you've hooked up your computer to their server LAN.
Do they key permissions off of your MAC?
That seems unlikely since you can log in from any machine by just downloading the client and supplying a password.
Can you lock content down to specific machines (or more precisely: specific network cards)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256524</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1265142840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SL is mainly a social network and chat platform, with audio support and translation.  It's also a bit like YouTube, except that people listen and view together.  And people who'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn 3D modeling and scripting in it.</p><p>If you think it has anything to do with people becoming "idiots", you really don't quite understand it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SL is mainly a social network and chat platform , with audio support and translation .
It 's also a bit like YouTube , except that people listen and view together .
And people who 'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn 3D modeling and scripting in it.If you think it has anything to do with people becoming " idiots " , you really do n't quite understand it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SL is mainly a social network and chat platform, with audio support and translation.
It's also a bit like YouTube, except that people listen and view together.
And people who'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn 3D modeling and scripting in it.If you think it has anything to do with people becoming "idiots", you really don't quite understand it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256464</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do these restrictions have to do with the GPL?</p><p>How are they backpedalling?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do these restrictions have to do with the GPL ? How are they backpedalling ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do these restrictions have to do with the GPL?How are they backpedalling?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31256988</id>
	<title>GP was right, it's Bullshit</title>
	<author>kripkenstein</author>
	<datestamp>1265105220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>They aren't backpedaling on the GPL at all. The code is still GPLed, and you can use it however you want, according to that license.
<br> <br>
They do limit your ability to access their servers, and to list you in their pages as a recognized 3rd-party viewer - they have certain requirements for both, and they have now clarified those requirements. But that has nothing to do with the GPL, it's an entirely separate issue.
<br> <br>
<b>tl;dr</b>: It's like Wordpress (the software) is GPLed, but Wordpress.com (the website with hosted blogs) won't let you write a blog on their website that links to malware etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't backpedaling on the GPL at all .
The code is still GPLed , and you can use it however you want , according to that license .
They do limit your ability to access their servers , and to list you in their pages as a recognized 3rd-party viewer - they have certain requirements for both , and they have now clarified those requirements .
But that has nothing to do with the GPL , it 's an entirely separate issue .
tl ; dr : It 's like Wordpress ( the software ) is GPLed , but Wordpress.com ( the website with hosted blogs ) wo n't let you write a blog on their website that links to malware etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't backpedaling on the GPL at all.
The code is still GPLed, and you can use it however you want, according to that license.
They do limit your ability to access their servers, and to list you in their pages as a recognized 3rd-party viewer - they have certain requirements for both, and they have now clarified those requirements.
But that has nothing to do with the GPL, it's an entirely separate issue.
tl;dr: It's like Wordpress (the software) is GPLed, but Wordpress.com (the website with hosted blogs) won't let you write a blog on their website that links to malware etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31259740</id>
	<title>Another angle</title>
	<author>GigsVT</author>
	<datestamp>1265128200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is another angle to this that wasn't realized earlier.</p><p>This new policy makes Second Life incompatible with CC-SA and GPLed <b>content</b> within the world as well.</p><p>It places a new restriction on the export of content that is incompatible with the terms of CC-SA and GPL.</p><p>"You must not use or provide any functionality that Linden Lab&rsquo;s viewers do not have for exporting content from Second Life unless the functionality verifies that the content to be exported was created by the Second Life user who is using the Third-Party Viewer."</p><p>So you can only export what you have uploaded, not what you have received from someone else.  This makes Secondlife incompatible with GPL and CC-SA content within the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is another angle to this that was n't realized earlier.This new policy makes Second Life incompatible with CC-SA and GPLed content within the world as well.It places a new restriction on the export of content that is incompatible with the terms of CC-SA and GPL .
" You must not use or provide any functionality that Linden Lab    s viewers do not have for exporting content from Second Life unless the functionality verifies that the content to be exported was created by the Second Life user who is using the Third-Party Viewer .
" So you can only export what you have uploaded , not what you have received from someone else .
This makes Secondlife incompatible with GPL and CC-SA content within the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is another angle to this that wasn't realized earlier.This new policy makes Second Life incompatible with CC-SA and GPLed content within the world as well.It places a new restriction on the export of content that is incompatible with the terms of CC-SA and GPL.
"You must not use or provide any functionality that Linden Lab’s viewers do not have for exporting content from Second Life unless the functionality verifies that the content to be exported was created by the Second Life user who is using the Third-Party Viewer.
"So you can only export what you have uploaded, not what you have received from someone else.
This makes Secondlife incompatible with GPL and CC-SA content within the world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31257980</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1265116980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You talk like a fag , and your shit 's all retarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258176</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265119260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Denigrating other people because of the choices they make seems to be the modern equivalent of racism.</p></div><p>Uhm, yeah. That would be choicism, wouldn't it? And furthermore, you're completely misunderstanding discrimination. The problem with racism is that it judges people based on a static physical property (lineage). "Making choices" is hardly physical, and even less static, and I don't see what's wrong with judging people by their actions.</p><p>What is it exactly what you are proposing, that we forego all kinds of judgement? Because that would mean (in extremum) putting everyone on state welfare, regardless of their job, status or value.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Denigrating other people because of the choices they make seems to be the modern equivalent of racism.Uhm , yeah .
That would be choicism , would n't it ?
And furthermore , you 're completely misunderstanding discrimination .
The problem with racism is that it judges people based on a static physical property ( lineage ) .
" Making choices " is hardly physical , and even less static , and I do n't see what 's wrong with judging people by their actions.What is it exactly what you are proposing , that we forego all kinds of judgement ?
Because that would mean ( in extremum ) putting everyone on state welfare , regardless of their job , status or value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Denigrating other people because of the choices they make seems to be the modern equivalent of racism.Uhm, yeah.
That would be choicism, wouldn't it?
And furthermore, you're completely misunderstanding discrimination.
The problem with racism is that it judges people based on a static physical property (lineage).
"Making choices" is hardly physical, and even less static, and I don't see what's wrong with judging people by their actions.What is it exactly what you are proposing, that we forego all kinds of judgement?
Because that would mean (in extremum) putting everyone on state welfare, regardless of their job, status or value.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31262332</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265138700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has much more to do with people becoming perverts or furries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has much more to do with people becoming perverts or furries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has much more to do with people becoming perverts or furries.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31264782</id>
	<title>Re:GP was right, it's Bullshit</title>
	<author>Kalriath</author>
	<datestamp>1265106180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really.  As the <em>copyright owner</em> they can impose whatever restrictions they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
As the copyright owner they can impose whatever restrictions they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
As the copyright owner they can impose whatever restrictions they want.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31317554</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267464360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>SL is mainly a social network and chat platform, with audio support and translation. It's also a bit like YouTube, except that people listen and view together. And people who'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn 3D modeling and scripting in it.</p></div><p>Let me correct that for you<br>SL is mainly a social network and chat platform for <b>fat people, introverts and teenager griefers</b>, with audio support and translation. It's also a bit like YouTube, except that <b>fat people, introverts and teenager griefers</b> listen and view together. And <b>fat people, introverts and teenager griefers</b> who'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn <b>almost nothing</b> about 3D modeling and scripting in it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SL is mainly a social network and chat platform , with audio support and translation .
It 's also a bit like YouTube , except that people listen and view together .
And people who 'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn 3D modeling and scripting in it.Let me correct that for youSL is mainly a social network and chat platform for fat people , introverts and teenager griefers , with audio support and translation .
It 's also a bit like YouTube , except that fat people , introverts and teenager griefers listen and view together .
And fat people , introverts and teenager griefers who 'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn almost nothing about 3D modeling and scripting in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SL is mainly a social network and chat platform, with audio support and translation.
It's also a bit like YouTube, except that people listen and view together.
And people who'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn 3D modeling and scripting in it.Let me correct that for youSL is mainly a social network and chat platform for fat people, introverts and teenager griefers, with audio support and translation.
It's also a bit like YouTube, except that fat people, introverts and teenager griefers listen and view together.
And fat people, introverts and teenager griefers who'd otherwise never go near 3D Studio or VisualStudio actually learn almost nothing about 3D modeling and scripting in it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_014209.31258412</id>
	<title>Re:people still play that shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265121120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's funny. I thought the modern day equivalent of racism was racism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny .
I thought the modern day equivalent of racism was racism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny.
I thought the modern day equivalent of racism was racism.</sentencetext>
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