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	<title>NHS Should Stop Funding Homeopathy, Says Parliamentary Committee</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1266951420000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Homeopathic remedies work no better than placebos, and so should <a href="http://www.pharmacynews.com.au/article/homoeopathy-discredited-by-uk-panel/512067.aspx">no longer be paid for by the UK National Health Service</a>, a committee of British members of parliament has concluded. In preparing its report, the committee, which scrutinizes the evidence behind government policies, took evidence from scientists and homeopaths, and reviewed numerous reports and scientific investigations into homeopathy. It found no evidence that such treatments work beyond providing a placebo effect."</i> <strong>Updated 201025 19:40 GMT by timothy:</strong> This recommendation <a href="http://www.bromleytimes.co.uk/content/bromley/times/news/story.aspx?brand=BMLYTOnline&amp;category=news&amp;tBrand=northlondon24&amp;tCategory=newsbmlyt&amp;itemid=WeED25\%20Feb\%202010\%2010\%3A32\%3A10\%3A970">has some people up in arms</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Homeopathic remedies work no better than placebos , and so should no longer be paid for by the UK National Health Service , a committee of British members of parliament has concluded .
In preparing its report , the committee , which scrutinizes the evidence behind government policies , took evidence from scientists and homeopaths , and reviewed numerous reports and scientific investigations into homeopathy .
It found no evidence that such treatments work beyond providing a placebo effect .
" Updated 201025 19 : 40 GMT by timothy : This recommendation has some people up in arms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Homeopathic remedies work no better than placebos, and so should no longer be paid for by the UK National Health Service, a committee of British members of parliament has concluded.
In preparing its report, the committee, which scrutinizes the evidence behind government policies, took evidence from scientists and homeopaths, and reviewed numerous reports and scientific investigations into homeopathy.
It found no evidence that such treatments work beyond providing a placebo effect.
" Updated 201025 19:40 GMT by timothy: This recommendation has some people up in arms.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Homeopathy is hilarious.</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1266946200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>there is little need to legalize medicinal marijuana joints when we can create synthetic THC that is identical to natural sources.</i></p><p>That's right. Marijuana shouldn't be legal because it is medicine (although, to be clear, it is medicine); it should be legal because it is <i>awesome</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there is little need to legalize medicinal marijuana joints when we can create synthetic THC that is identical to natural sources.That 's right .
Marijuana should n't be legal because it is medicine ( although , to be clear , it is medicine ) ; it should be legal because it is awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is little need to legalize medicinal marijuana joints when we can create synthetic THC that is identical to natural sources.That's right.
Marijuana shouldn't be legal because it is medicine (although, to be clear, it is medicine); it should be legal because it is awesome.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Need for honest placebo treatments.</title>
	<author>gyroidben</author>
	<datestamp>1266920700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is needed is a big public information campaign on the benefits of placebo medicine. Official NHS sugar pills could be manufactured and advertised. There would be no reason to be dishonest. Simply list all the benefits that placebo medicine has been shown to have, but make it clear that this is all psychosomatic.</p><p>People would expect their placebo pills to be effective, and so they would be effective, and so people would continue to expect them to be effective. . If we could perpetuate the circular logic necessary for this to work it could be a very useful treatment.  I think adverts with colorful dancing placebo pills would help.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is needed is a big public information campaign on the benefits of placebo medicine .
Official NHS sugar pills could be manufactured and advertised .
There would be no reason to be dishonest .
Simply list all the benefits that placebo medicine has been shown to have , but make it clear that this is all psychosomatic.People would expect their placebo pills to be effective , and so they would be effective , and so people would continue to expect them to be effective .
. If we could perpetuate the circular logic necessary for this to work it could be a very useful treatment .
I think adverts with colorful dancing placebo pills would help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is needed is a big public information campaign on the benefits of placebo medicine.
Official NHS sugar pills could be manufactured and advertised.
There would be no reason to be dishonest.
Simply list all the benefits that placebo medicine has been shown to have, but make it clear that this is all psychosomatic.People would expect their placebo pills to be effective, and so they would be effective, and so people would continue to expect them to be effective.
. If we could perpetuate the circular logic necessary for this to work it could be a very useful treatment.
I think adverts with colorful dancing placebo pills would help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249650</id>
	<title>Re:Homeopathy is more effective than Placebo</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1266916860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That only works if the Homoeopath actually redirects the patient to a traditional medical doctor if they detect a severe illness (cancer, hormonal imbalance, ect). Homeopathic "cures" are water. They won't cure anything other than thirst.</p><p>It would be truly tragic if they did detect early onset of cancer, and treated it with a glass of water. If that is the case, then not only should funding be removed, they should also pursue criminal charges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That only works if the Homoeopath actually redirects the patient to a traditional medical doctor if they detect a severe illness ( cancer , hormonal imbalance , ect ) .
Homeopathic " cures " are water .
They wo n't cure anything other than thirst.It would be truly tragic if they did detect early onset of cancer , and treated it with a glass of water .
If that is the case , then not only should funding be removed , they should also pursue criminal charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That only works if the Homoeopath actually redirects the patient to a traditional medical doctor if they detect a severe illness (cancer, hormonal imbalance, ect).
Homeopathic "cures" are water.
They won't cure anything other than thirst.It would be truly tragic if they did detect early onset of cancer, and treated it with a glass of water.
If that is the case, then not only should funding be removed, they should also pursue criminal charges.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31256856</id>
	<title>Why I drink LOTS of wine (and other spirits)</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1265103780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am always worried that drinking a small amount of alcohol may have a deleterious effect <br>
upon me, and through the marvels of homoeopathy, might make me terribly drunk, and cloud my judgment. <br>
Indeed, just think if there were no alcohol molecules at ALL in the<br>
 "mix"; just a "memory" or a "vibration" of alcohol!  (shudder)<br>
So I try to drink as much alcoholic beverages as I can, so that I will stay reasonably sober and thoughtful.<br>
<br>
And you know... it seems to work!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am always worried that drinking a small amount of alcohol may have a deleterious effect upon me , and through the marvels of homoeopathy , might make me terribly drunk , and cloud my judgment .
Indeed , just think if there were no alcohol molecules at ALL in the " mix " ; just a " memory " or a " vibration " of alcohol !
( shudder ) So I try to drink as much alcoholic beverages as I can , so that I will stay reasonably sober and thoughtful .
And you know... it seems to work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am always worried that drinking a small amount of alcohol may have a deleterious effect 
upon me, and through the marvels of homoeopathy, might make me terribly drunk, and cloud my judgment.
Indeed, just think if there were no alcohol molecules at ALL in the
 "mix"; just a "memory" or a "vibration" of alcohol!
(shudder)
So I try to drink as much alcoholic beverages as I can, so that I will stay reasonably sober and thoughtful.
And you know... it seems to work!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
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	<title>Homeopathic A&amp;E</title>
	<author>UdoKeir</author>
	<datestamp>1266956220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = HMGIbOGu8q0 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0 [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>But it's in the Congressional Record!</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1266921840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone read the entire Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia into the Congressional Record thus making it "approved" by the government.  Right!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone read the entire Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia into the Congressional Record thus making it " approved " by the government .
Right !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone read the entire Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia into the Congressional Record thus making it "approved" by the government.
Right!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Have you ever tried it?</title>
	<author>Kymermosst</author>
	<datestamp>1266920040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Presumably you'd have to believe it would work in order for it to work.</p><p>Not much different than religious healing, actually.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Presumably you 'd have to believe it would work in order for it to work.Not much different than religious healing , actually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Presumably you'd have to believe it would work in order for it to work.Not much different than religious healing, actually.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Gotta Love Government control!</title>
	<author>OctaviusIII</author>
	<datestamp>1266919560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right: the government doing its twin jobs of saving taxpayer money while implementing public programs and protecting the populace from hucksters is pretty great!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right : the government doing its twin jobs of saving taxpayer money while implementing public programs and protecting the populace from hucksters is pretty great !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right: the government doing its twin jobs of saving taxpayer money while implementing public programs and protecting the populace from hucksters is pretty great!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
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	<title>Traditional Medicine suffering the same</title>
	<author>MikeV</author>
	<datestamp>1266956700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I seem to recall an article about the testing of traditional medicines and their having the same issues of the placebo's having as good a desired effect as the medicine itself. Heck, the FDA has approved the prescription of placebos themselves as medical treatments! Perhaps we just need to throw all our pills in the trash...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I seem to recall an article about the testing of traditional medicines and their having the same issues of the placebo 's having as good a desired effect as the medicine itself .
Heck , the FDA has approved the prescription of placebos themselves as medical treatments !
Perhaps we just need to throw all our pills in the trash.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seem to recall an article about the testing of traditional medicines and their having the same issues of the placebo's having as good a desired effect as the medicine itself.
Heck, the FDA has approved the prescription of placebos themselves as medical treatments!
Perhaps we just need to throw all our pills in the trash...</sentencetext>
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	<title>The Prince of Wales</title>
	<author>pete-classic</author>
	<datestamp>1266956040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the fine article:</p><p>"Either we are governed by evidence and science, or by Prince Charles."  --Edzard Ernst</p><p>Awesome.</p><p>-Peter</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the fine article : " Either we are governed by evidence and science , or by Prince Charles .
" --Edzard ErnstAwesome.-Peter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the fine article:"Either we are governed by evidence and science, or by Prince Charles.
"  --Edzard ErnstAwesome.-Peter</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266921360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>good point.</p><p>The placebo effect works only if you believe in it. You don't believe in it, so it won't work for you. Fine.</p><p>But: Even if you accept it has only placebo effect, you may still want it being funded, just because placebos work and can be cheaply manufactured.<br>I see it as a pure moral issue between doctor and patient: a placebo treatment works only if the doctor doesn't tell the patient what he really thinks about the nature of the treatment, which is close to lying. The way out for the doctor is, to suggest a popular placebo that the patient knows and many positive rumors are around, so the doctor doesn't have to tell the lie himself. Many doctors ask if you want to try a homeopathic treatment, making no other statement about it than lack of side effects.<br>Homeopathy has the advantage that it is widely known and many people have heard some good thing about it. It's the perfect publicly funded placebo treatment. You can't replace it easily with something else.</p><p>Believers can be treated with it much cheaper than with popular drugs, with less side effects and with similar main effect for many simple issues. This lowers NHS expenses, that you have to pay for eventually.</p><p>It's essentially of course that all doctors know the truth and prescribe homeopathic drugs only to patients who have no serious illness that would need real treatment, and who would take more expensive drugs otherwise. I think this last premise just isn't fulfilled. Too many homeopaths believe in it, promote it as an alternative to real medicine, and try to make money from it. This breaks it all.</p><p>Conclusion: Fund homeopathy. Ban homeopaths.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>good point.The placebo effect works only if you believe in it .
You do n't believe in it , so it wo n't work for you .
Fine.But : Even if you accept it has only placebo effect , you may still want it being funded , just because placebos work and can be cheaply manufactured.I see it as a pure moral issue between doctor and patient : a placebo treatment works only if the doctor does n't tell the patient what he really thinks about the nature of the treatment , which is close to lying .
The way out for the doctor is , to suggest a popular placebo that the patient knows and many positive rumors are around , so the doctor does n't have to tell the lie himself .
Many doctors ask if you want to try a homeopathic treatment , making no other statement about it than lack of side effects.Homeopathy has the advantage that it is widely known and many people have heard some good thing about it .
It 's the perfect publicly funded placebo treatment .
You ca n't replace it easily with something else.Believers can be treated with it much cheaper than with popular drugs , with less side effects and with similar main effect for many simple issues .
This lowers NHS expenses , that you have to pay for eventually.It 's essentially of course that all doctors know the truth and prescribe homeopathic drugs only to patients who have no serious illness that would need real treatment , and who would take more expensive drugs otherwise .
I think this last premise just is n't fulfilled .
Too many homeopaths believe in it , promote it as an alternative to real medicine , and try to make money from it .
This breaks it all.Conclusion : Fund homeopathy .
Ban homeopaths .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>good point.The placebo effect works only if you believe in it.
You don't believe in it, so it won't work for you.
Fine.But: Even if you accept it has only placebo effect, you may still want it being funded, just because placebos work and can be cheaply manufactured.I see it as a pure moral issue between doctor and patient: a placebo treatment works only if the doctor doesn't tell the patient what he really thinks about the nature of the treatment, which is close to lying.
The way out for the doctor is, to suggest a popular placebo that the patient knows and many positive rumors are around, so the doctor doesn't have to tell the lie himself.
Many doctors ask if you want to try a homeopathic treatment, making no other statement about it than lack of side effects.Homeopathy has the advantage that it is widely known and many people have heard some good thing about it.
It's the perfect publicly funded placebo treatment.
You can't replace it easily with something else.Believers can be treated with it much cheaper than with popular drugs, with less side effects and with similar main effect for many simple issues.
This lowers NHS expenses, that you have to pay for eventually.It's essentially of course that all doctors know the truth and prescribe homeopathic drugs only to patients who have no serious illness that would need real treatment, and who would take more expensive drugs otherwise.
I think this last premise just isn't fulfilled.
Too many homeopaths believe in it, promote it as an alternative to real medicine, and try to make money from it.
This breaks it all.Conclusion: Fund homeopathy.
Ban homeopaths.</sentencetext>
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	<title>blinkered somehow?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266924780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anonymous Coward here.</p><p>Is it possible that 'real' medicines also have no more than the placebo effect?<br>Unless you persuade 40m poor souls to go 'homeopathic.'<br>Grow up.</p><p>http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/feb/26/mentalhealth.medicalresearch</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anonymous Coward here.Is it possible that 'real ' medicines also have no more than the placebo effect ? Unless you persuade 40m poor souls to go 'homeopathic .
'Grow up.http : //www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/feb/26/mentalhealth.medicalresearch</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anonymous Coward here.Is it possible that 'real' medicines also have no more than the placebo effect?Unless you persuade 40m poor souls to go 'homeopathic.
'Grow up.http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/feb/26/mentalhealth.medicalresearch</sentencetext>
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	<title>A homeopath recently overdosed.</title>
	<author>Beelzebud</author>
	<datestamp>1266918480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>He forgot to take his medication.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He forgot to take his medication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He forgot to take his medication.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Traditional Medicine suffering the same</title>
	<author>horza</author>
	<datestamp>1266915660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do exactly that. The doctor tells me I won't get better unless I take x pills. I then throw them in the bin and still get better anyway. If I had taken them, I would have thought them really effective! I think doctors prescribe medicine routinely (a) for kick-backs, (b) as placebo, or (c) to shut patients up. Regarding the latter, there does seem to be a segment of the population who feel if they aren't being given pills the doctor isn't doing his job. They want their 'quick fix'.</p><p>Phillip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do exactly that .
The doctor tells me I wo n't get better unless I take x pills .
I then throw them in the bin and still get better anyway .
If I had taken them , I would have thought them really effective !
I think doctors prescribe medicine routinely ( a ) for kick-backs , ( b ) as placebo , or ( c ) to shut patients up .
Regarding the latter , there does seem to be a segment of the population who feel if they are n't being given pills the doctor is n't doing his job .
They want their 'quick fix'.Phillip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do exactly that.
The doctor tells me I won't get better unless I take x pills.
I then throw them in the bin and still get better anyway.
If I had taken them, I would have thought them really effective!
I think doctors prescribe medicine routinely (a) for kick-backs, (b) as placebo, or (c) to shut patients up.
Regarding the latter, there does seem to be a segment of the population who feel if they aren't being given pills the doctor isn't doing his job.
They want their 'quick fix'.Phillip.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's wrong with Placebos?</title>
	<author>the eric conspiracy</author>
	<datestamp>1266927060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't care what people want to do on their own nickel. But health insurance is often taxpayer subsidized, and is shared risk.</p><p>This plus Chiropracters, Acupuncture and all the other medical fraud out there should NOT be covered by insurance. And we should take the money saved to run anti-quack public education programs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care what people want to do on their own nickel .
But health insurance is often taxpayer subsidized , and is shared risk.This plus Chiropracters , Acupuncture and all the other medical fraud out there should NOT be covered by insurance .
And we should take the money saved to run anti-quack public education programs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care what people want to do on their own nickel.
But health insurance is often taxpayer subsidized, and is shared risk.This plus Chiropracters, Acupuncture and all the other medical fraud out there should NOT be covered by insurance.
And we should take the money saved to run anti-quack public education programs.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Homoeopathic Remedies Are Billiant!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266958260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Homoeopathic remedies are so good I've had a special "dispenser" fitted to my house...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...as a secondary function, if you turn the controls the other way it even delivers hot water!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Homoeopathic remedies are so good I 've had a special " dispenser " fitted to my house... ...as a secondary function , if you turn the controls the other way it even delivers hot water !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homoeopathic remedies are so good I've had a special "dispenser" fitted to my house... ...as a secondary function, if you turn the controls the other way it even delivers hot water!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Dumb questions</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1266922920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Homeopathy is about diluting some substance in water until it is so dilute it is impossible to detect in the final solution.</p><p>1. How to you get water that has nothing diluted in it beforehand? If you use tap water, it probably has numerous substances already diluted in it, and any attempt at purifying it will make it even more dilute (eg. stronger under the homeopathic rules).</p><p>2. Aren't there going to be harmful solutions too? You pick something that causes similar problems to cure it, so if you use something beneficial to start with, shouldn't it create a deadly substance? Since it is so dilute, you wouldn't be able to test for it chemically. Shouldn't you be able to cause someone to starve to death by diluting something like sugar? Do you have to be careful that you don't drop a single grain of sugar into the vat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Homeopathy is about diluting some substance in water until it is so dilute it is impossible to detect in the final solution.1 .
How to you get water that has nothing diluted in it beforehand ?
If you use tap water , it probably has numerous substances already diluted in it , and any attempt at purifying it will make it even more dilute ( eg .
stronger under the homeopathic rules ) .2 .
Are n't there going to be harmful solutions too ?
You pick something that causes similar problems to cure it , so if you use something beneficial to start with , should n't it create a deadly substance ?
Since it is so dilute , you would n't be able to test for it chemically .
Should n't you be able to cause someone to starve to death by diluting something like sugar ?
Do you have to be careful that you do n't drop a single grain of sugar into the vat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homeopathy is about diluting some substance in water until it is so dilute it is impossible to detect in the final solution.1.
How to you get water that has nothing diluted in it beforehand?
If you use tap water, it probably has numerous substances already diluted in it, and any attempt at purifying it will make it even more dilute (eg.
stronger under the homeopathic rules).2.
Aren't there going to be harmful solutions too?
You pick something that causes similar problems to cure it, so if you use something beneficial to start with, shouldn't it create a deadly substance?
Since it is so dilute, you wouldn't be able to test for it chemically.
Shouldn't you be able to cause someone to starve to death by diluting something like sugar?
Do you have to be careful that you don't drop a single grain of sugar into the vat?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31253644</id>
	<title>To those who support Homeopathy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266933420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've noticed so many arguments and debates over whether or not Homepathy works, and to those who support it, I say Kudos!!</p><p>Do you happen to take over-the-counter meds such as Tylenol or Advil?<br>How about any prescription drugs?<br>You know those aren't very dilute, therefore you owe it to yourself to perform the Homeopathic dilution.</p><p>You're only toxifying yourself with something far too concentrated to work, so it's best you crush that pill into a fine powder, and start the 10x diltuion process.<br>Once the solution is properly mixed, make sure you separte out 10\% of it and continue to dilute that portion sufficently.<br>I don't know how dilute the original is, but may I suggest trying for at least a dilution of no less than 10C?</p><p>If you come back with amazing results (I'm sure you shall), please be sure to post your findings so that the rest of the community can be witness to the true, awesome power of Homepathy.</p><p>Remember, your audience is a rather skeptical bunch, so I think it's best you give to them all the Earth-shattering proof you'll undoubtedly obtain.<br>That'll stick a potato in their tailpipes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've noticed so many arguments and debates over whether or not Homepathy works , and to those who support it , I say Kudos !
! Do you happen to take over-the-counter meds such as Tylenol or Advil ? How about any prescription drugs ? You know those are n't very dilute , therefore you owe it to yourself to perform the Homeopathic dilution.You 're only toxifying yourself with something far too concentrated to work , so it 's best you crush that pill into a fine powder , and start the 10x diltuion process.Once the solution is properly mixed , make sure you separte out 10 \ % of it and continue to dilute that portion sufficently.I do n't know how dilute the original is , but may I suggest trying for at least a dilution of no less than 10C ? If you come back with amazing results ( I 'm sure you shall ) , please be sure to post your findings so that the rest of the community can be witness to the true , awesome power of Homepathy.Remember , your audience is a rather skeptical bunch , so I think it 's best you give to them all the Earth-shattering proof you 'll undoubtedly obtain.That 'll stick a potato in their tailpipes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've noticed so many arguments and debates over whether or not Homepathy works, and to those who support it, I say Kudos!
!Do you happen to take over-the-counter meds such as Tylenol or Advil?How about any prescription drugs?You know those aren't very dilute, therefore you owe it to yourself to perform the Homeopathic dilution.You're only toxifying yourself with something far too concentrated to work, so it's best you crush that pill into a fine powder, and start the 10x diltuion process.Once the solution is properly mixed, make sure you separte out 10\% of it and continue to dilute that portion sufficently.I don't know how dilute the original is, but may I suggest trying for at least a dilution of no less than 10C?If you come back with amazing results (I'm sure you shall), please be sure to post your findings so that the rest of the community can be witness to the true, awesome power of Homepathy.Remember, your audience is a rather skeptical bunch, so I think it's best you give to them all the Earth-shattering proof you'll undoubtedly obtain.That'll stick a potato in their tailpipes!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31254672</id>
	<title>Good.</title>
	<author>mindstrm</author>
	<datestamp>1266940020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good. Great news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good .
Great news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good.
Great news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248686</id>
	<title>Hard to fathom</title>
	<author>NEDHead</author>
	<datestamp>1266956940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand why people can't just be allowed to love one another regardless of gender without all the yelling and fingerpointing...What? Oh, sorry.


Must get new glasses...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand why people ca n't just be allowed to love one another regardless of gender without all the yelling and fingerpointing...What ?
Oh , sorry .
Must get new glasses.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand why people can't just be allowed to love one another regardless of gender without all the yelling and fingerpointing...What?
Oh, sorry.
Must get new glasses...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250020</id>
	<title>fund placebos</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1266918360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, if there's a positive effect then perhaps they should fund placebos.  Homeopathy involves a lot of fuss diluting and diluting and so on, but a placebo could be a simple sugar pill.</p><p>Trouble is the psychological factor, I don't think you can give someone a sugar pill saying, "here, have a nice placebo" and still have it be effective, but if you can get them to believe a story about the essence of a substance left after repeated dilution being efficacious, then you get your placebo effect.  Essentially, they're already funding it.</p><p>If there's a problem it would be with professional ethics (I'm not sure you can say "truth is irrelevant") and credibility of medicine.  It might be better to leave faith based effects to the spirtual institutions, even though that's kind of unfair to secular materialists.  Though if desperate enough, even a secular materialist humanist might be able to convince himself of something irrational.  I knew one who believed he could come up with winning lottery numbers through dream analysis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , if there 's a positive effect then perhaps they should fund placebos .
Homeopathy involves a lot of fuss diluting and diluting and so on , but a placebo could be a simple sugar pill.Trouble is the psychological factor , I do n't think you can give someone a sugar pill saying , " here , have a nice placebo " and still have it be effective , but if you can get them to believe a story about the essence of a substance left after repeated dilution being efficacious , then you get your placebo effect .
Essentially , they 're already funding it.If there 's a problem it would be with professional ethics ( I 'm not sure you can say " truth is irrelevant " ) and credibility of medicine .
It might be better to leave faith based effects to the spirtual institutions , even though that 's kind of unfair to secular materialists .
Though if desperate enough , even a secular materialist humanist might be able to convince himself of something irrational .
I knew one who believed he could come up with winning lottery numbers through dream analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, if there's a positive effect then perhaps they should fund placebos.
Homeopathy involves a lot of fuss diluting and diluting and so on, but a placebo could be a simple sugar pill.Trouble is the psychological factor, I don't think you can give someone a sugar pill saying, "here, have a nice placebo" and still have it be effective, but if you can get them to believe a story about the essence of a substance left after repeated dilution being efficacious, then you get your placebo effect.
Essentially, they're already funding it.If there's a problem it would be with professional ethics (I'm not sure you can say "truth is irrelevant") and credibility of medicine.
It might be better to leave faith based effects to the spirtual institutions, even though that's kind of unfair to secular materialists.
Though if desperate enough, even a secular materialist humanist might be able to convince himself of something irrational.
I knew one who believed he could come up with winning lottery numbers through dream analysis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250218</id>
	<title>that might be..</title>
	<author>formfeed</author>
	<datestamp>1266919080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. but then again, placebos have become more powerful <a href="http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff\_placebo\_effect" title="wired.com" rel="nofollow"> more powerful</a> [wired.com] and are catching up with non homeopathic drugs as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. but then again , placebos have become more powerful more powerful [ wired.com ] and are catching up with non homeopathic drugs as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. but then again, placebos have become more powerful  more powerful [wired.com] and are catching up with non homeopathic drugs as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248908</id>
	<title>Loophole</title>
	<author>edraven</author>
	<datestamp>1266957600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if the government stops paying for homeopathic medicine, you can just take your last subsidized dosage and add it to a gallon of distilled water. Not only do you now have more of it, it's now phenomenally more powerful! And when you're almost out, you can do it again! And it only gets better!<br>Seriously, why ever pay for this stuff more than once?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if the government stops paying for homeopathic medicine , you can just take your last subsidized dosage and add it to a gallon of distilled water .
Not only do you now have more of it , it 's now phenomenally more powerful !
And when you 're almost out , you can do it again !
And it only gets better ! Seriously , why ever pay for this stuff more than once ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if the government stops paying for homeopathic medicine, you can just take your last subsidized dosage and add it to a gallon of distilled water.
Not only do you now have more of it, it's now phenomenally more powerful!
And when you're almost out, you can do it again!
And it only gets better!Seriously, why ever pay for this stuff more than once?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249548</id>
	<title>Re:more expensive in the long run</title>
	<author>StoatBringer</author>
	<datestamp>1266916440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>i have tried many homeopathic remedies and have never got any effect from them. </i>
<p>
That's because they do not work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i have tried many homeopathic remedies and have never got any effect from them .
That 's because they do not work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i have tried many homeopathic remedies and have never got any effect from them.
That's because they do not work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250402</id>
	<title>homeopathy, "audits", ...</title>
	<author>dltaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1266919860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to fund, as a matter of public policy, one set of delusions (homeopathy) associated with "cures", then you should also fund others:  Scientology audits, "laying on of hands", reliquaries and trips to Lourdes, animist totem pouches, ad nauseum.  Otherwise, it is government support of a particular set of religious beliefs</p><p>Oh! Wait! This is Great Britain.  Never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to fund , as a matter of public policy , one set of delusions ( homeopathy ) associated with " cures " , then you should also fund others : Scientology audits , " laying on of hands " , reliquaries and trips to Lourdes , animist totem pouches , ad nauseum .
Otherwise , it is government support of a particular set of religious beliefsOh !
Wait ! This is Great Britain .
Never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to fund, as a matter of public policy, one set of delusions (homeopathy) associated with "cures", then you should also fund others:  Scientology audits, "laying on of hands", reliquaries and trips to Lourdes, animist totem pouches, ad nauseum.
Otherwise, it is government support of a particular set of religious beliefsOh!
Wait! This is Great Britain.
Never mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250348</id>
	<title>Double Blind Studies? Funded?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266919620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps now the non-medical solutions will fund double blind studies to prove the effects they've been illegally claiming for years?  Perhaps?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps now the non-medical solutions will fund double blind studies to prove the effects they 've been illegally claiming for years ?
Perhaps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps now the non-medical solutions will fund double blind studies to prove the effects they've been illegally claiming for years?
Perhaps?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248882</id>
	<title>more expensive in the long run</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1266957540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>okay, but they do have a placebo effect, so why not fund them? if people are taking them, they are getting some relief. many people that are relying on homeopathic remedies will just resort to using the much more expensive prescription options. will this really save them money?</p><p>i have tried many homeopathic remedies and have never got any effect from them. i attribute this to the fact that i'm generally a glass 1/2 empty person so i expect medecine not to work. no placebo effect for me. that being said, i understand that the placebo effect improves people's lives so i'd never knock them for pursuing homeopathic remedies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>okay , but they do have a placebo effect , so why not fund them ?
if people are taking them , they are getting some relief .
many people that are relying on homeopathic remedies will just resort to using the much more expensive prescription options .
will this really save them money ? i have tried many homeopathic remedies and have never got any effect from them .
i attribute this to the fact that i 'm generally a glass 1/2 empty person so i expect medecine not to work .
no placebo effect for me .
that being said , i understand that the placebo effect improves people 's lives so i 'd never knock them for pursuing homeopathic remedies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>okay, but they do have a placebo effect, so why not fund them?
if people are taking them, they are getting some relief.
many people that are relying on homeopathic remedies will just resort to using the much more expensive prescription options.
will this really save them money?i have tried many homeopathic remedies and have never got any effect from them.
i attribute this to the fact that i'm generally a glass 1/2 empty person so i expect medecine not to work.
no placebo effect for me.
that being said, i understand that the placebo effect improves people's lives so i'd never knock them for pursuing homeopathic remedies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31257538</id>
	<title>Homeopathic martinis</title>
	<author>blackpig</author>
	<datestamp>1265112000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reputedly, Winston Churchill loved Homeopathic martinis<br>
<br>
He'd fill a glass with gin and glance at the bottle of vermouth on the sideboard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reputedly , Winston Churchill loved Homeopathic martinis He 'd fill a glass with gin and glance at the bottle of vermouth on the sideboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reputedly, Winston Churchill loved Homeopathic martinis

He'd fill a glass with gin and glance at the bottle of vermouth on the sideboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248096</id>
	<title>Heomeopathy = Placebo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266955080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heomeopathy = Placebo so no surprise there . . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heomeopathy = Placebo so no surprise there .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heomeopathy = Placebo so no surprise there .
. .</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31251288</id>
	<title>And in other news...</title>
	<author>northernfrights</author>
	<datestamp>1266922800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>
This just in.  Apparently, <b> Britain has been funding homeopathy... </b></htmltext>
<tokenext>This just in .
Apparently , Britain has been funding homeopathy.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
This just in.
Apparently,  Britain has been funding homeopathy... </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31367686</id>
	<title>Oh Noes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267727880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This finding deeply troubles me. Watered down all that vodka for nothing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This finding deeply troubles me .
Watered down all that vodka for nothing : - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This finding deeply troubles me.
Watered down all that vodka for nothing :-(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249414</id>
	<title>Treated by homeopathy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266915900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our family has been treated by homeopathy in several cases when our GP and the specialists of the field got to dead-end.</p><p>One of the most notable case was a back pain, which grew more and more intolerable during the months. The suspect after several examinations, X-Rays, RMIs was a deformed vertebrae. Eventually the only professional medical advice dispensed was a recommendation to start taking strong pain killer on a regular basis, "to prevent the brain to remember the pain, even if it is no longer there".</p><p>Homeopathy was tried at this stage to try to find if possible a more natural pain killer than the recommended pharma product, with a huge list of possible side effects, including addiction.</p><p>The quick diagnosis of the homeopathy provider was, that the pain has got nothing to do with the malformed vertebrae, instead, the lack of a certain mineral from the daily diet. A few days after taking the supplement the back pain went away.</p><p>Go figure. No matter how unscientific the homeopathy diagnosis was, it helped more than all the services of the medical profession, without any concrete health risk, knowingly associated with the approved medicine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our family has been treated by homeopathy in several cases when our GP and the specialists of the field got to dead-end.One of the most notable case was a back pain , which grew more and more intolerable during the months .
The suspect after several examinations , X-Rays , RMIs was a deformed vertebrae .
Eventually the only professional medical advice dispensed was a recommendation to start taking strong pain killer on a regular basis , " to prevent the brain to remember the pain , even if it is no longer there " .Homeopathy was tried at this stage to try to find if possible a more natural pain killer than the recommended pharma product , with a huge list of possible side effects , including addiction.The quick diagnosis of the homeopathy provider was , that the pain has got nothing to do with the malformed vertebrae , instead , the lack of a certain mineral from the daily diet .
A few days after taking the supplement the back pain went away.Go figure .
No matter how unscientific the homeopathy diagnosis was , it helped more than all the services of the medical profession , without any concrete health risk , knowingly associated with the approved medicine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our family has been treated by homeopathy in several cases when our GP and the specialists of the field got to dead-end.One of the most notable case was a back pain, which grew more and more intolerable during the months.
The suspect after several examinations, X-Rays, RMIs was a deformed vertebrae.
Eventually the only professional medical advice dispensed was a recommendation to start taking strong pain killer on a regular basis, "to prevent the brain to remember the pain, even if it is no longer there".Homeopathy was tried at this stage to try to find if possible a more natural pain killer than the recommended pharma product, with a huge list of possible side effects, including addiction.The quick diagnosis of the homeopathy provider was, that the pain has got nothing to do with the malformed vertebrae, instead, the lack of a certain mineral from the daily diet.
A few days after taking the supplement the back pain went away.Go figure.
No matter how unscientific the homeopathy diagnosis was, it helped more than all the services of the medical profession, without any concrete health risk, knowingly associated with the approved medicine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31258396</id>
	<title>Re:but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265121000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But combining this with a a earlier<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. article about the placebo effect and modern drugs<br>(http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective)</p></div><p>I give that an opposite interpretation. Drugs are getting <em>less</em> effective which makes placebos look better by comparison. [The placebo is a baseline, if the drug is only as effective as a placebo then the drug isn't a drug, or at least, is not a valid means of treating the illness it was tested against &mdash; compared to most drugs, homeopathy is very effective at treating dehydration for example, but not much else]</p><p>Whether that is due to immunity or pharmaceutical companies producing crappy products, I don't know.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But combining this with a a earlier / .
article about the placebo effect and modern drugs ( http : //science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective ) I give that an opposite interpretation .
Drugs are getting less effective which makes placebos look better by comparison .
[ The placebo is a baseline , if the drug is only as effective as a placebo then the drug is n't a drug , or at least , is not a valid means of treating the illness it was tested against    compared to most drugs , homeopathy is very effective at treating dehydration for example , but not much else ] Whether that is due to immunity or pharmaceutical companies producing crappy products , I do n't know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But combining this with a a earlier /.
article about the placebo effect and modern drugs(http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective)I give that an opposite interpretation.
Drugs are getting less effective which makes placebos look better by comparison.
[The placebo is a baseline, if the drug is only as effective as a placebo then the drug isn't a drug, or at least, is not a valid means of treating the illness it was tested against — compared to most drugs, homeopathy is very effective at treating dehydration for example, but not much else]Whether that is due to immunity or pharmaceutical companies producing crappy products, I don't know.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250272</id>
	<title>Lots of treatments are not better than placebo</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1266919260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/232781" title="newsweek.com">Antidepressants</a> [newsweek.com] have been shown to work no better than a placebo... are they going to stop funding them as well? Or just stop funding them for mildly or moderately depressed patients?<br> <br>Personally, I take a placebo every day, because scientists have conclusively proven it has a somewhat beneficial effect for more different conditions than any other medication known to mankind!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Antidepressants [ newsweek.com ] have been shown to work no better than a placebo... are they going to stop funding them as well ?
Or just stop funding them for mildly or moderately depressed patients ?
Personally , I take a placebo every day , because scientists have conclusively proven it has a somewhat beneficial effect for more different conditions than any other medication known to mankind !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Antidepressants [newsweek.com] have been shown to work no better than a placebo... are they going to stop funding them as well?
Or just stop funding them for mildly or moderately depressed patients?
Personally, I take a placebo every day, because scientists have conclusively proven it has a somewhat beneficial effect for more different conditions than any other medication known to mankind!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249068</id>
	<title>Homeopathy is more effective than Placebo</title>
	<author>thbb</author>
	<datestamp>1266958020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>About 10 years ago, I read a very nice sequence of papers in La Recherche (the French equivalent of "Scientific American").</p><p>The conclusions were very instructive:<br>- there is no evidence of any kind of effect of homeopathic medicines by themselves<br>- however, even after accounting sample biases, there was mild evidence that people followed by homeopaths were in better health overall, and this at a fraction of the cost of "scientific" medicine.</p><p>The papers suggested that to propose a homeopathic cure, the doctor has to take the time to inquire a lot about the patient's medical history, their mood and minor health issues (do you have gases? how often?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...). As a result, the homeopath has a much more complete picture of the patient's symptoms. In most benign illnesses, traditional medicine is of very limited usefullness anyhow, not much more effective than placebo indeed, and most conditions cure themselves alone.</p><p>But when a serious condition occurs (early signs of cancers, hormonal imbalances...), the homeopath is much more inclined to detect the change and prescribe additional examinations, thus playing a major preventive role.</p><p>Adding to this that the actual costs of homeopathic cures is ridiculously low, the conclusion from La Recherche was that, even though the scientific basis for homeopathy was wrong,  from a public health perspective, it was better to keep the system as is, keep teaching homeopathy in medical schools and refund homepathic cures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About 10 years ago , I read a very nice sequence of papers in La Recherche ( the French equivalent of " Scientific American " ) .The conclusions were very instructive : - there is no evidence of any kind of effect of homeopathic medicines by themselves- however , even after accounting sample biases , there was mild evidence that people followed by homeopaths were in better health overall , and this at a fraction of the cost of " scientific " medicine.The papers suggested that to propose a homeopathic cure , the doctor has to take the time to inquire a lot about the patient 's medical history , their mood and minor health issues ( do you have gases ?
how often ?
... ) . As a result , the homeopath has a much more complete picture of the patient 's symptoms .
In most benign illnesses , traditional medicine is of very limited usefullness anyhow , not much more effective than placebo indeed , and most conditions cure themselves alone.But when a serious condition occurs ( early signs of cancers , hormonal imbalances... ) , the homeopath is much more inclined to detect the change and prescribe additional examinations , thus playing a major preventive role.Adding to this that the actual costs of homeopathic cures is ridiculously low , the conclusion from La Recherche was that , even though the scientific basis for homeopathy was wrong , from a public health perspective , it was better to keep the system as is , keep teaching homeopathy in medical schools and refund homepathic cures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About 10 years ago, I read a very nice sequence of papers in La Recherche (the French equivalent of "Scientific American").The conclusions were very instructive:- there is no evidence of any kind of effect of homeopathic medicines by themselves- however, even after accounting sample biases, there was mild evidence that people followed by homeopaths were in better health overall, and this at a fraction of the cost of "scientific" medicine.The papers suggested that to propose a homeopathic cure, the doctor has to take the time to inquire a lot about the patient's medical history, their mood and minor health issues (do you have gases?
how often?
...). As a result, the homeopath has a much more complete picture of the patient's symptoms.
In most benign illnesses, traditional medicine is of very limited usefullness anyhow, not much more effective than placebo indeed, and most conditions cure themselves alone.But when a serious condition occurs (early signs of cancers, hormonal imbalances...), the homeopath is much more inclined to detect the change and prescribe additional examinations, thus playing a major preventive role.Adding to this that the actual costs of homeopathic cures is ridiculously low, the conclusion from La Recherche was that, even though the scientific basis for homeopathy was wrong,  from a public health perspective, it was better to keep the system as is, keep teaching homeopathy in medical schools and refund homepathic cures.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248684</id>
	<title>So....</title>
	<author>Eggbloke</author>
	<datestamp>1266956940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is where all our taxes have been going.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is where all our taxes have been going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is where all our taxes have been going.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31258116</id>
	<title>Re:Homeopathy is hilarious.</title>
	<author>DarkVader</author>
	<datestamp>1265118540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're making the common error of equating herbal medicine with homeopathy.  Herbal medicine has the possibility of effectiveness as it has active ingredients, homeopathy is the quackery of diluting a substance that causes a symptom enough times that you're unlikely to have even a single molecule of the original active substance left in the "cure".  It cannot be effective, as it has no active ingredient.</p><p>And you're unfortunately giving modern medicine too much credit for using effective components of herbal remedies.  There's little profit in the research required, as it's hard to patent a plant.  Much of the research on herbal remedies has never been done.  This doesn't mean that herbal remedies are going to be safe and effective - but it doesn't mean they aren't.</p><p>And you mention marijuana specifically.  That's a perfect example of a failure of modern medicine, as not only has the research never been done, it's actually illegal to do the research.  Marinol, the THC-only drug you mention, has been anecdotally reported to be ineffective in cases where smoked marijuana has been effective.  This could be because there may be another active ingredient in smoked marijuana that isn't THC, it could be that inhalation is a more effective method of administration than oral pills, we don't know.  There are no double blind properly controlled results, because of the illegality of obtaining them, and even if it were legal there is no profit incentive to do the testing, since one preparation is an expensive pill, and the other is a plant that grows as a weed, and can be grown at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're making the common error of equating herbal medicine with homeopathy .
Herbal medicine has the possibility of effectiveness as it has active ingredients , homeopathy is the quackery of diluting a substance that causes a symptom enough times that you 're unlikely to have even a single molecule of the original active substance left in the " cure " .
It can not be effective , as it has no active ingredient.And you 're unfortunately giving modern medicine too much credit for using effective components of herbal remedies .
There 's little profit in the research required , as it 's hard to patent a plant .
Much of the research on herbal remedies has never been done .
This does n't mean that herbal remedies are going to be safe and effective - but it does n't mean they are n't.And you mention marijuana specifically .
That 's a perfect example of a failure of modern medicine , as not only has the research never been done , it 's actually illegal to do the research .
Marinol , the THC-only drug you mention , has been anecdotally reported to be ineffective in cases where smoked marijuana has been effective .
This could be because there may be another active ingredient in smoked marijuana that is n't THC , it could be that inhalation is a more effective method of administration than oral pills , we do n't know .
There are no double blind properly controlled results , because of the illegality of obtaining them , and even if it were legal there is no profit incentive to do the testing , since one preparation is an expensive pill , and the other is a plant that grows as a weed , and can be grown at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're making the common error of equating herbal medicine with homeopathy.
Herbal medicine has the possibility of effectiveness as it has active ingredients, homeopathy is the quackery of diluting a substance that causes a symptom enough times that you're unlikely to have even a single molecule of the original active substance left in the "cure".
It cannot be effective, as it has no active ingredient.And you're unfortunately giving modern medicine too much credit for using effective components of herbal remedies.
There's little profit in the research required, as it's hard to patent a plant.
Much of the research on herbal remedies has never been done.
This doesn't mean that herbal remedies are going to be safe and effective - but it doesn't mean they aren't.And you mention marijuana specifically.
That's a perfect example of a failure of modern medicine, as not only has the research never been done, it's actually illegal to do the research.
Marinol, the THC-only drug you mention, has been anecdotally reported to be ineffective in cases where smoked marijuana has been effective.
This could be because there may be another active ingredient in smoked marijuana that isn't THC, it could be that inhalation is a more effective method of administration than oral pills, we don't know.
There are no double blind properly controlled results, because of the illegality of obtaining them, and even if it were legal there is no profit incentive to do the testing, since one preparation is an expensive pill, and the other is a plant that grows as a weed, and can be grown at home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250044</id>
	<title>Homeopathy is hilarious.</title>
	<author>Kral\_Blbec</author>
	<datestamp>1266918420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The most common argument I've heard is about how these herbal remedies have been used for years/centuries and have been "proven" more effective than modern medicine. Pointing out that modern medicine is largely based on examining these ancient herbal remedies to isolate exactly what/if/why they are effective and then recreating it deflates that pretty nicely. <br>In a similar vein, there is little need to legalize medicinal marijuana joints when we can create synthetic THC that is identical to natural sources.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The most common argument I 've heard is about how these herbal remedies have been used for years/centuries and have been " proven " more effective than modern medicine .
Pointing out that modern medicine is largely based on examining these ancient herbal remedies to isolate exactly what/if/why they are effective and then recreating it deflates that pretty nicely .
In a similar vein , there is little need to legalize medicinal marijuana joints when we can create synthetic THC that is identical to natural sources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most common argument I've heard is about how these herbal remedies have been used for years/centuries and have been "proven" more effective than modern medicine.
Pointing out that modern medicine is largely based on examining these ancient herbal remedies to isolate exactly what/if/why they are effective and then recreating it deflates that pretty nicely.
In a similar vein, there is little need to legalize medicinal marijuana joints when we can create synthetic THC that is identical to natural sources.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248856</id>
	<title>Re:Simon Singh</title>
	<author>Sumadartson</author>
	<datestamp>1266957420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish I could mod you up, but I only have infinitely diluted mod points left.<br>

Anyway, there's also a petition going for libel reform. Check it out at <a href="http://www.libelreform.org/" title="libelreform.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.libelreform.org/</a> [libelreform.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Sign and/or donate if you support their cause!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I could mod you up , but I only have infinitely diluted mod points left .
Anyway , there 's also a petition going for libel reform .
Check it out at http : //www.libelreform.org/ [ libelreform.org ] .Sign and/or donate if you support their cause !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I could mod you up, but I only have infinitely diluted mod points left.
Anyway, there's also a petition going for libel reform.
Check it out at http://www.libelreform.org/ [libelreform.org] .Sign and/or donate if you support their cause!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249534</id>
	<title>What's wrong with Placebos?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266916380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what if other people use homeopathic medicines, it's their choice. So what if it's a placebo? Placebos are actually <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective?from=rss&amp;utm\_source=feedburner&amp;utm\_medium=feed&amp;utm\_campaign=Feed:+Slashdot/slashdot+(Slashdot)" title="slashdot.org">more effective</a> [slashdot.org] than certain chemical medications which has been funded.</p><p>Ok, so you need to believe it to work before the placebo effect takes place, and just because you don't believe does not mean others don't and they actually benefit from it.</p><p>What non-believers believe is irrelevant; truth is irrelevant. What is relevant is that this improves people's wellbeing. It gets the job done... ignorance *is* bliss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what if other people use homeopathic medicines , it 's their choice .
So what if it 's a placebo ?
Placebos are actually more effective [ slashdot.org ] than certain chemical medications which has been funded.Ok , so you need to believe it to work before the placebo effect takes place , and just because you do n't believe does not mean others do n't and they actually benefit from it.What non-believers believe is irrelevant ; truth is irrelevant .
What is relevant is that this improves people 's wellbeing .
It gets the job done... ignorance * is * bliss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what if other people use homeopathic medicines, it's their choice.
So what if it's a placebo?
Placebos are actually more effective [slashdot.org] than certain chemical medications which has been funded.Ok, so you need to believe it to work before the placebo effect takes place, and just because you don't believe does not mean others don't and they actually benefit from it.What non-believers believe is irrelevant; truth is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that this improves people's wellbeing.
It gets the job done... ignorance *is* bliss.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249984</id>
	<title>How does homeopathy work?</title>
	<author>legio\_noctis</author>
	<datestamp>1266918240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/" title="howdoeshom...hywork.com" rel="nofollow">Now explained for the first time!</a> [howdoeshom...hywork.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now explained for the first time !
[ howdoeshom...hywork.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now explained for the first time!
[howdoeshom...hywork.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249510</id>
	<title>Re:more expensive in the long run</title>
	<author>bugs2squash</author>
	<datestamp>1266916260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The issue is not so much funding the drugs (after all, it's just water) it is funding the practitioners that prescribe them. Why should the British taxpayer pay for a homeopathic specialist to deliver the placebo when... <ul> <li>any doctor can prescribe a placebo and/or</li><li>these remedies are inexpensive and people can go buy them themselves, increasing the possible placebo mojo</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>The issue is not so much funding the drugs ( after all , it 's just water ) it is funding the practitioners that prescribe them .
Why should the British taxpayer pay for a homeopathic specialist to deliver the placebo when... any doctor can prescribe a placebo and/orthese remedies are inexpensive and people can go buy them themselves , increasing the possible placebo mojo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The issue is not so much funding the drugs (after all, it's just water) it is funding the practitioners that prescribe them.
Why should the British taxpayer pay for a homeopathic specialist to deliver the placebo when...  any doctor can prescribe a placebo and/orthese remedies are inexpensive and people can go buy them themselves, increasing the possible placebo mojo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250896</id>
	<title>But the placebo effect is real!</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1266921600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is really good news!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is really good news !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is really good news!</sentencetext>
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	<title>but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266956100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>But combining this with a a earlier<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. article about the placebo effect and modern drugs (http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective)<br>
You get that even if they only produce the placebo effect they will do as good as many popular current drugs for patients and without the horrible side effects that come with them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But combining this with a a earlier / .
article about the placebo effect and modern drugs ( http : //science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective ) You get that even if they only produce the placebo effect they will do as good as many popular current drugs for patients and without the horrible side effects that come with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But combining this with a a earlier /.
article about the placebo effect and modern drugs (http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective)
You get that even if they only produce the placebo effect they will do as good as many popular current drugs for patients and without the horrible side effects that come with them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&amp;E</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266920100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems appropriate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&amp;E</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems appropriate : ) That Mitchell and Webb Look : Homeopathic A&amp;E [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems appropriate :)That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&amp;E [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Someone Who's Actually Taken Homoeopathy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266958320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In eastern India, where it's common.
<br>
<br>
It does have one thing going for it - homoeopathic medicine is delicious! It's essentially little globules of sugar (except the liquid ones - which pretty much evaporate on your tongue anyway). Much more preferable to regular medicine : )
<br>
<br>
Some research does show certain molecules working in high dilutions. I'm not convinced, though intrigued, and the researchers are as clueless as anyone else (and good enough to admit it instead of making shit up).
<br>
<br>
J. Sainte-Laudy, N. Boujenaini and Ph. Belon. Confirmation of biological effects of high dilutions. Effects of submolecular concentrations of histamine and 1-, 3- and 4-methylhistamines on human basophil activation. Inflammation Research, Volume 57, Supplement 1 / April, 2008
<br>
<br>
Brown V, Ennis M.  Flow-cytometric analysis of basophil activation: inhibition by histamine at conventional and homeopathic concentrations. Inflamm Res. 2001 Apr;50 Suppl 2:S47-8.
<br>
<br>
I think the Brits did the prudent thing by pulling the money until it was confirmed to work, but right now I'd label it [citation needed] instead of [outright wrong]. More research, m'lord?</htmltext>
<tokenext>In eastern India , where it 's common .
It does have one thing going for it - homoeopathic medicine is delicious !
It 's essentially little globules of sugar ( except the liquid ones - which pretty much evaporate on your tongue anyway ) .
Much more preferable to regular medicine : ) Some research does show certain molecules working in high dilutions .
I 'm not convinced , though intrigued , and the researchers are as clueless as anyone else ( and good enough to admit it instead of making shit up ) .
J. Sainte-Laudy , N. Boujenaini and Ph .
Belon. Confirmation of biological effects of high dilutions .
Effects of submolecular concentrations of histamine and 1- , 3- and 4-methylhistamines on human basophil activation .
Inflammation Research , Volume 57 , Supplement 1 / April , 2008 Brown V , Ennis M. Flow-cytometric analysis of basophil activation : inhibition by histamine at conventional and homeopathic concentrations .
Inflamm Res .
2001 Apr ; 50 Suppl 2 : S47-8 .
I think the Brits did the prudent thing by pulling the money until it was confirmed to work , but right now I 'd label it [ citation needed ] instead of [ outright wrong ] .
More research , m'lord ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In eastern India, where it's common.
It does have one thing going for it - homoeopathic medicine is delicious!
It's essentially little globules of sugar (except the liquid ones - which pretty much evaporate on your tongue anyway).
Much more preferable to regular medicine : )


Some research does show certain molecules working in high dilutions.
I'm not convinced, though intrigued, and the researchers are as clueless as anyone else (and good enough to admit it instead of making shit up).
J. Sainte-Laudy, N. Boujenaini and Ph.
Belon. Confirmation of biological effects of high dilutions.
Effects of submolecular concentrations of histamine and 1-, 3- and 4-methylhistamines on human basophil activation.
Inflammation Research, Volume 57, Supplement 1 / April, 2008


Brown V, Ennis M.  Flow-cytometric analysis of basophil activation: inhibition by histamine at conventional and homeopathic concentrations.
Inflamm Res.
2001 Apr;50 Suppl 2:S47-8.
I think the Brits did the prudent thing by pulling the money until it was confirmed to work, but right now I'd label it [citation needed] instead of [outright wrong].
More research, m'lord?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248366</id>
	<title>I Object!</title>
	<author>florescent\_beige</author>
	<datestamp>1266956100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And please visit my <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/magazine/they\_tried\_to\_teach\_my\_baby" title="theonion.com" rel="nofollow">home page</a> [theonion.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>And please visit my home page [ theonion.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And please visit my home page [theonion.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249276</id>
	<title>We Will Not Fund You Because</title>
	<author>mano.m</author>
	<datestamp>1266958620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>... you are making sick people healthy, but not the way we want you to.
<br>
If there were a way to cure AIDS with the placebo effect, would we pass it by?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... you are making sick people healthy , but not the way we want you to .
If there were a way to cure AIDS with the placebo effect , would we pass it by ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... you are making sick people healthy, but not the way we want you to.
If there were a way to cure AIDS with the placebo effect, would we pass it by?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Homeopathy does work.</title>
	<author>arthurpaliden</author>
	<datestamp>1266917700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only reason that established science is not able to get homeopathy to work is because when they create their test samples they do not use un-tritiated water.  As a result, when the tritium atom decays the released neutron disturbs the water memory via collisions rendering the sample useless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason that established science is not able to get homeopathy to work is because when they create their test samples they do not use un-tritiated water .
As a result , when the tritium atom decays the released neutron disturbs the water memory via collisions rendering the sample useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason that established science is not able to get homeopathy to work is because when they create their test samples they do not use un-tritiated water.
As a result, when the tritium atom decays the released neutron disturbs the water memory via collisions rendering the sample useless.</sentencetext>
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	<title>My grandfather was an MD who worked in</title>
	<author>mschuyler</author>
	<datestamp>1266933960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>the mining communities of the Rockies in Colorado. The miners would come to him with various ailments and would get pissed if he didn't give them anything. He maintained there wasn't anything wrong with them. So he mixed up colored sugar water in the kitchen, poured it in medicinal looking bottles for consumption, and they went away happy and 'cured.' Of course, he couldn't do that today, but in the 1920's? What the hey?</p><p>He graduatred from medeical college in 1895. In those days getting an MD meant attending what amounted to a junior college right out of high school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the mining communities of the Rockies in Colorado .
The miners would come to him with various ailments and would get pissed if he did n't give them anything .
He maintained there was n't anything wrong with them .
So he mixed up colored sugar water in the kitchen , poured it in medicinal looking bottles for consumption , and they went away happy and 'cured .
' Of course , he could n't do that today , but in the 1920 's ?
What the hey ? He graduatred from medeical college in 1895 .
In those days getting an MD meant attending what amounted to a junior college right out of high school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the mining communities of the Rockies in Colorado.
The miners would come to him with various ailments and would get pissed if he didn't give them anything.
He maintained there wasn't anything wrong with them.
So he mixed up colored sugar water in the kitchen, poured it in medicinal looking bottles for consumption, and they went away happy and 'cured.
' Of course, he couldn't do that today, but in the 1920's?
What the hey?He graduatred from medeical college in 1895.
In those days getting an MD meant attending what amounted to a junior college right out of high school.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Homeopathy - a proven cure!</title>
	<author>Spida</author>
	<datestamp>1266932580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Homeopathy is in fact a scientifically proven, absolutely reliable 100\% successful treatment for any problem you may have. Assuming of course that by 'any problem' you mean 'dehydration'. The only other effect of homeopathy is to line the pockets of dishonest swindlers with money from the gullible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Homeopathy is in fact a scientifically proven , absolutely reliable 100 \ % successful treatment for any problem you may have .
Assuming of course that by 'any problem ' you mean 'dehydration' .
The only other effect of homeopathy is to line the pockets of dishonest swindlers with money from the gullible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homeopathy is in fact a scientifically proven, absolutely reliable 100\% successful treatment for any problem you may have.
Assuming of course that by 'any problem' you mean 'dehydration'.
The only other effect of homeopathy is to line the pockets of dishonest swindlers with money from the gullible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249242</id>
	<title>Homoeopathic Assassination</title>
	<author>mano.m</author>
	<datestamp>1266958500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All you'd need is a glass of water, and you'd never be found.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All you 'd need is a glass of water , and you 'd never be found .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All you'd need is a glass of water, and you'd never be found.</sentencetext>
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	<title>here</title>
	<author>charliemopps11</author>
	<datestamp>1266956100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is all you need to know: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy</a> [wikipedia.org]

"The end product is often so diluted that it is indistinguishable from the dilutant (pure water, sugar or alcohol)."</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all you need to know : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy [ wikipedia.org ] " The end product is often so diluted that it is indistinguishable from the dilutant ( pure water , sugar or alcohol ) .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all you need to know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy [wikipedia.org]

"The end product is often so diluted that it is indistinguishable from the dilutant (pure water, sugar or alcohol).
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31257512</id>
	<title>Re:Social frameworks better than bullshit placebo</title>
	<author>firefarter</author>
	<datestamp>1265111640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And wait a minute, WHAT FUCKING MEDICAL SCHOOL IS TEACHING HOMEOPATHY?! </p></div><p>You'd be surprised. My health insurance (in Gemany) pays for all homeopathic treatments up to the age of 12, and only for specific treatments after that. The caveat is that the treatment is only paid when prescribed by a certified physician which has had additional training in homeopathy.<br>Treatments from "natural healers" without medical schooling or certification are not allowed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And wait a minute , WHAT FUCKING MEDICAL SCHOOL IS TEACHING HOMEOPATHY ? !
You 'd be surprised .
My health insurance ( in Gemany ) pays for all homeopathic treatments up to the age of 12 , and only for specific treatments after that .
The caveat is that the treatment is only paid when prescribed by a certified physician which has had additional training in homeopathy.Treatments from " natural healers " without medical schooling or certification are not allowed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And wait a minute, WHAT FUCKING MEDICAL SCHOOL IS TEACHING HOMEOPATHY?!
You'd be surprised.
My health insurance (in Gemany) pays for all homeopathic treatments up to the age of 12, and only for specific treatments after that.
The caveat is that the treatment is only paid when prescribed by a certified physician which has had additional training in homeopathy.Treatments from "natural healers" without medical schooling or certification are not allowed.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248510</id>
	<title>Gotta Love Government control!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266956520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See how great government control of everything can be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See how great government control of everything can be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See how great government control of everything can be.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31261000</id>
	<title>James Randi is the man...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265133480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and I'm sure he's happy with the news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and I 'm sure he 's happy with the news : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = BWE1tH93G9U</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and I'm sure he's happy with the news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249426</id>
	<title>placebo effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266915960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if they are ruling it out because it works no better then placebos then i guess the real drug companies should watch out http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff\_placebo\_effect?currentPage=all</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if they are ruling it out because it works no better then placebos then i guess the real drug companies should watch out http : //www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff \ _placebo \ _effect ? currentPage = all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if they are ruling it out because it works no better then placebos then i guess the real drug companies should watch out http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff\_placebo\_effect?currentPage=all</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31255462</id>
	<title>SGU</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1266946020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well holy crap, finally Rebecca will have something positive to say on next week's podcast of <i>The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well holy crap , finally Rebecca will have something positive to say on next week 's podcast of The Skeptic 's Guide to the Universe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well holy crap, finally Rebecca will have something positive to say on next week's podcast of The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31251302</id>
	<title>Re:Social frameworks better than bullshit placebo</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1266922860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>But when a serious condition occurs (early signs of cancers, hormonal imbalances...), the homeopath is much more inclined to detect the change and prescribe additional examinations, thus playing a major preventive role.</i></p><p><i>Adding to this that the actual costs of homeopathic cures is ridiculously low, the conclusion from La Recherche was that, even though the scientific basis for homeopathy was wrong, from a public health perspective, it was better to keep the system as is, keep teaching homeopathy in medical schools and refund homepathic cures.</i></p><p>What a bullshit conclusion.</p><p>What they actually found is that improved attentiveness to changing health conditions improves detection and prevention of actual maladies.  That's great.  It has nothing, specifically, to do with homeopathy.  The proper response to this is to encourage doctors/nurses to take more interest in their patient's general health, and to promote social awareness about health issues so that people will be informed and attentive to their own bodies.</p><p>NOT to keep on acting like a bullshit non-science is actually worth something when it isn't.</p><p>And wait a minute, WHAT FUCKING MEDICAL SCHOOL IS TEACHING HOMEOPATHY?!  I mean, outside of a lecture that also covers demonic possession and hexes and other things that were a product of times when medicine was founded on unscientific ignorance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But when a serious condition occurs ( early signs of cancers , hormonal imbalances... ) , the homeopath is much more inclined to detect the change and prescribe additional examinations , thus playing a major preventive role.Adding to this that the actual costs of homeopathic cures is ridiculously low , the conclusion from La Recherche was that , even though the scientific basis for homeopathy was wrong , from a public health perspective , it was better to keep the system as is , keep teaching homeopathy in medical schools and refund homepathic cures.What a bullshit conclusion.What they actually found is that improved attentiveness to changing health conditions improves detection and prevention of actual maladies .
That 's great .
It has nothing , specifically , to do with homeopathy .
The proper response to this is to encourage doctors/nurses to take more interest in their patient 's general health , and to promote social awareness about health issues so that people will be informed and attentive to their own bodies.NOT to keep on acting like a bullshit non-science is actually worth something when it is n't.And wait a minute , WHAT FUCKING MEDICAL SCHOOL IS TEACHING HOMEOPATHY ? !
I mean , outside of a lecture that also covers demonic possession and hexes and other things that were a product of times when medicine was founded on unscientific ignorance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But when a serious condition occurs (early signs of cancers, hormonal imbalances...), the homeopath is much more inclined to detect the change and prescribe additional examinations, thus playing a major preventive role.Adding to this that the actual costs of homeopathic cures is ridiculously low, the conclusion from La Recherche was that, even though the scientific basis for homeopathy was wrong, from a public health perspective, it was better to keep the system as is, keep teaching homeopathy in medical schools and refund homepathic cures.What a bullshit conclusion.What they actually found is that improved attentiveness to changing health conditions improves detection and prevention of actual maladies.
That's great.
It has nothing, specifically, to do with homeopathy.
The proper response to this is to encourage doctors/nurses to take more interest in their patient's general health, and to promote social awareness about health issues so that people will be informed and attentive to their own bodies.NOT to keep on acting like a bullshit non-science is actually worth something when it isn't.And wait a minute, WHAT FUCKING MEDICAL SCHOOL IS TEACHING HOMEOPATHY?!
I mean, outside of a lecture that also covers demonic possession and hexes and other things that were a product of times when medicine was founded on unscientific ignorance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31254262</id>
	<title>Re:but</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1266937200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The placebo effect is interesting, but it is fully psychological. No placebo can cure a serious physical disease like cancer or hepatitis, although some homeopathic remedies claim to. The article you linked to discusses placebos in the context of antidepressants and pain relievers, and even then mainly in an experimental setting. No doctor is ever going to prescribe a placebo <b>or</b> homeopathy to a patient, even if he thinks the patient's symptoms are imaginary.</p><p>The biggest danger of homeopathy is that while the majority of available creams and tinctures are advertised to treat minor symptoms like muscle pain and itchy skin, some unscrupulous (or incredibly deluded) practitioners of homeopathy will "prescribe" cures for even seriously injured or ill patients thus delaying or preventing real, science-based medical care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The placebo effect is interesting , but it is fully psychological .
No placebo can cure a serious physical disease like cancer or hepatitis , although some homeopathic remedies claim to .
The article you linked to discusses placebos in the context of antidepressants and pain relievers , and even then mainly in an experimental setting .
No doctor is ever going to prescribe a placebo or homeopathy to a patient , even if he thinks the patient 's symptoms are imaginary.The biggest danger of homeopathy is that while the majority of available creams and tinctures are advertised to treat minor symptoms like muscle pain and itchy skin , some unscrupulous ( or incredibly deluded ) practitioners of homeopathy will " prescribe " cures for even seriously injured or ill patients thus delaying or preventing real , science-based medical care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The placebo effect is interesting, but it is fully psychological.
No placebo can cure a serious physical disease like cancer or hepatitis, although some homeopathic remedies claim to.
The article you linked to discusses placebos in the context of antidepressants and pain relievers, and even then mainly in an experimental setting.
No doctor is ever going to prescribe a placebo or homeopathy to a patient, even if he thinks the patient's symptoms are imaginary.The biggest danger of homeopathy is that while the majority of available creams and tinctures are advertised to treat minor symptoms like muscle pain and itchy skin, some unscrupulous (or incredibly deluded) practitioners of homeopathy will "prescribe" cures for even seriously injured or ill patients thus delaying or preventing real, science-based medical care.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249050</id>
	<title>I Can See You All Feel Strongly About This....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266958020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps too strongly, maybe you should take a pill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps too strongly , maybe you should take a pill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps too strongly, maybe you should take a pill.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31250212</id>
	<title>Re:Homeopathy is more effective than Placebo</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1266919080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, and here's a crazy idea, we could actually have, you know, nurses who are trained to notice actual medical problems doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , and here 's a crazy idea , we could actually have , you know , nurses who are trained to notice actual medical problems doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, and here's a crazy idea, we could actually have, you know, nurses who are trained to notice actual medical problems doing it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31251204</id>
	<title>Next they'll investigate a dangerous chemcial</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1266922560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know the one, DHMO</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know the one , DHMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know the one, DHMO</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31249040</id>
	<title>Why do the photos show so much ingredient?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266957960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With that much actual material, you'd have to dilute them in the ocean to get the proper homeopathic dilution levels of "strength".</p><p>Also, thank the water gods that the British are coming to their senses. I wish we in the US could, but we're run by crackpots. Even the Huffington Post, the darling of the new media is run by and panders to the insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With that much actual material , you 'd have to dilute them in the ocean to get the proper homeopathic dilution levels of " strength " .Also , thank the water gods that the British are coming to their senses .
I wish we in the US could , but we 're run by crackpots .
Even the Huffington Post , the darling of the new media is run by and panders to the insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With that much actual material, you'd have to dilute them in the ocean to get the proper homeopathic dilution levels of "strength".Also, thank the water gods that the British are coming to their senses.
I wish we in the US could, but we're run by crackpots.
Even the Huffington Post, the darling of the new media is run by and panders to the insane.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248400</id>
	<title>Simon Singh</title>
	<author>genmax</author>
	<datestamp>1266956160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Simon Singh is being currently driven to bankruptcy because of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon\_Singh#Chiropractic\_lawsuit" title="wikipedia.org">libel suit</a> [wikipedia.org] in the UK, for saying exactly the same thing about Chiropractic remedies. I hope the homeopaths sue these MPs for libel, and just perhaps, that will make lawmakers think about reforming the ridiculous British libel laws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Simon Singh is being currently driven to bankruptcy because of a libel suit [ wikipedia.org ] in the UK , for saying exactly the same thing about Chiropractic remedies .
I hope the homeopaths sue these MPs for libel , and just perhaps , that will make lawmakers think about reforming the ridiculous British libel laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simon Singh is being currently driven to bankruptcy because of a libel suit [wikipedia.org] in the UK, for saying exactly the same thing about Chiropractic remedies.
I hope the homeopaths sue these MPs for libel, and just perhaps, that will make lawmakers think about reforming the ridiculous British libel laws.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_1710235.31248766</id>
	<title>Have you ever tried it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266957180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should try it for yourselves.</p><p>As someone who was rescued by homeopathic medicine as a child, where all traditional medicine was causing more damage through side effects, I am quite sad to see so much derision when nobody speaking has actually given it a shot.</p><p>Still works for me now... blame the placebo effect all you want... but give it a try too</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should try it for yourselves.As someone who was rescued by homeopathic medicine as a child , where all traditional medicine was causing more damage through side effects , I am quite sad to see so much derision when nobody speaking has actually given it a shot.Still works for me now... blame the placebo effect all you want... but give it a try too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should try it for yourselves.As someone who was rescued by homeopathic medicine as a child, where all traditional medicine was causing more damage through side effects, I am quite sad to see so much derision when nobody speaking has actually given it a shot.Still works for me now... blame the placebo effect all you want... but give it a try too</sentencetext>
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	<title>Hoorah!</title>
	<author>chronosan</author>
	<datestamp>1266958320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Richard Dawkins must be beaming.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Richard Dawkins must be beaming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Richard Dawkins must be beaming.</sentencetext>
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