<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_21_225233</id>
	<title>After 2 Years of Development, LTSP 5.2 Is Out</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266747720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>The <a href="http://www.ltsp.org/">Linux Terminal Server Project</a> has for years been simplifying the task of time-sharing a Linux system by means of X terminals (including repurposed low-end PCs). Now,  stgraber writes <i>"After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors, the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project <a href="http://www.stgraber.org/2010/02/21/ltsp-52-out">released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February</a>. As the LTSP team wanted this release to be some kind of a reference point in LTSP's history, LDM (LTSP Display Manager) 2.1 and LTSPfs 0.6 were released on the same day. Packages for LTSP 5.2, LDM 2.1 and LTSPfs 0.6 are already in Ubuntu Lucid and a backport for Karmic is available. For other distributions, packages should be available very soon. And the upstream code is, as always, available on Launchpad."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Linux Terminal Server Project has for years been simplifying the task of time-sharing a Linux system by means of X terminals ( including repurposed low-end PCs ) .
Now , stgraber writes " After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors , the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February .
As the LTSP team wanted this release to be some kind of a reference point in LTSP 's history , LDM ( LTSP Display Manager ) 2.1 and LTSPfs 0.6 were released on the same day .
Packages for LTSP 5.2 , LDM 2.1 and LTSPfs 0.6 are already in Ubuntu Lucid and a backport for Karmic is available .
For other distributions , packages should be available very soon .
And the upstream code is , as always , available on Launchpad .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Linux Terminal Server Project has for years been simplifying the task of time-sharing a Linux system by means of X terminals (including repurposed low-end PCs).
Now,  stgraber writes "After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors, the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February.
As the LTSP team wanted this release to be some kind of a reference point in LTSP's history, LDM (LTSP Display Manager) 2.1 and LTSPfs 0.6 were released on the same day.
Packages for LTSP 5.2, LDM 2.1 and LTSPfs 0.6 are already in Ubuntu Lucid and a backport for Karmic is available.
For other distributions, packages should be available very soon.
And the upstream code is, as always, available on Launchpad.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31222746</id>
	<title>Excellent news</title>
	<author>bloosh</author>
	<datestamp>1266751920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is great news to hear. I've been using LTSP at a school for all teachers and students since 2003 with excellent results.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great news to hear .
I 've been using LTSP at a school for all teachers and students since 2003 with excellent results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great news to hear.
I've been using LTSP at a school for all teachers and students since 2003 with excellent results.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223074</id>
	<title>It really is cool</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1266753900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, <i>you</i> can do it without LTSP.  But you don't have to be a guru to stand up an LTSP server and host desktops for thin clients so it's handy for the schools who use it.  I've been using it at home for years to host desktops for guests because when the nieces and nephews come over they have incredible computer corrupting skills and need a platform that's less amenable to viruses than my kids' desktops and laptops.
</p><p>You can also mangle the config to merge in DRBL, which allows me to netboot compute cluster nodes that I get at surplus if I want to do a little recreational number crunching or transcoding.  I think it's pretty cool that we live in an age when an ordinary elementary school can have its own supercomputer and if their networking is up to snuff, join the ranks of the world's most powerful supercomputers.
</p><p>But go ahead and rain on their parade if it makes you feel 1337.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , you can do it without LTSP .
But you do n't have to be a guru to stand up an LTSP server and host desktops for thin clients so it 's handy for the schools who use it .
I 've been using it at home for years to host desktops for guests because when the nieces and nephews come over they have incredible computer corrupting skills and need a platform that 's less amenable to viruses than my kids ' desktops and laptops .
You can also mangle the config to merge in DRBL , which allows me to netboot compute cluster nodes that I get at surplus if I want to do a little recreational number crunching or transcoding .
I think it 's pretty cool that we live in an age when an ordinary elementary school can have its own supercomputer and if their networking is up to snuff , join the ranks of the world 's most powerful supercomputers .
But go ahead and rain on their parade if it makes you feel 1337 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, you can do it without LTSP.
But you don't have to be a guru to stand up an LTSP server and host desktops for thin clients so it's handy for the schools who use it.
I've been using it at home for years to host desktops for guests because when the nieces and nephews come over they have incredible computer corrupting skills and need a platform that's less amenable to viruses than my kids' desktops and laptops.
You can also mangle the config to merge in DRBL, which allows me to netboot compute cluster nodes that I get at surplus if I want to do a little recreational number crunching or transcoding.
I think it's pretty cool that we live in an age when an ordinary elementary school can have its own supercomputer and if their networking is up to snuff, join the ranks of the world's most powerful supercomputers.
But go ahead and rain on their parade if it makes you feel 1337.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31228330</id>
	<title>Re:N-W "Eye" &amp; Site-Access Control?</title>
	<author>SharpNose</author>
	<datestamp>1266847740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google "teachertool ltsp".  It's part of K12LTSP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google " teachertool ltsp " .
It 's part of K12LTSP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google "teachertool ltsp".
It's part of K12LTSP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31222810</id>
	<title>I don't see what the big deal is</title>
	<author>ipquickly</author>
	<datestamp>1266752280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using ssh and X11 for 6 years now to do exactly what this project says it does.<br>I fail to see how this project improves things. Is it just simpler to to set up?</p><p>(Btw I'm writing this on an atom-thin client using a wireless connection to run Firefox on an old P4 server.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using ssh and X11 for 6 years now to do exactly what this project says it does.I fail to see how this project improves things .
Is it just simpler to to set up ?
( Btw I 'm writing this on an atom-thin client using a wireless connection to run Firefox on an old P4 server .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using ssh and X11 for 6 years now to do exactly what this project says it does.I fail to see how this project improves things.
Is it just simpler to to set up?
(Btw I'm writing this on an atom-thin client using a wireless connection to run Firefox on an old P4 server.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223604</id>
	<title>Word of Warning: Network Bandwidth</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1266757260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Terminal servers can work quite well &mdash; <i>if</i> you have the bandwidth. Nothing more frustrating than watching a graphics terminal update over a slow connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Terminal servers can work quite well    if you have the bandwidth .
Nothing more frustrating than watching a graphics terminal update over a slow connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Terminal servers can work quite well — if you have the bandwidth.
Nothing more frustrating than watching a graphics terminal update over a slow connection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31222698</id>
	<title>Impressive...</title>
	<author>King InuYasha</author>
	<datestamp>1266751560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>With 14 contributors, that they got it done in two years is impressive. Hopefully with this update, more distributions will be able to readily support LTSP 5.2 again...</htmltext>
<tokenext>With 14 contributors , that they got it done in two years is impressive .
Hopefully with this update , more distributions will be able to readily support LTSP 5.2 again.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With 14 contributors, that they got it done in two years is impressive.
Hopefully with this update, more distributions will be able to readily support LTSP 5.2 again...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31227304</id>
	<title>Yes.</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266835920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it just simpler to to set up?</p></div><p>Yes.</p><p>You could think of it like not having to code yourself a word processor or build your own Linux distribution. Someone else has done all the work for you.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just simpler to to set up ? Yes.You could think of it like not having to code yourself a word processor or build your own Linux distribution .
Someone else has done all the work for you .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just simpler to to set up?Yes.You could think of it like not having to code yourself a word processor or build your own Linux distribution.
Someone else has done all the work for you.
 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223192</id>
	<title>Re:Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266754560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is if they're also teaching school.  A lot of open source projects are funded by enterprises that pay programmers to improve the project and contribute back.  There isn't a lot of call for that in LTSP yet - corporations find it easier to just license Citrix or Microsoft Terminal Services.
</p><p>This may change as VDI initiatives take off for the power savings, security benefits and management economy.  Terminal services on low-watt thin clients is hugely green.  LTSP for terminal services, virtual desktops in KVM, plus dedicated servers for high-powered users makes a nice blended VDI solution that suits low-needs customer service people who only need a browser, all the way up to engineers - as long as everybody can use Linux.  Management overhead is very low and security can be as high as you can get with network access terminals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is if they 're also teaching school .
A lot of open source projects are funded by enterprises that pay programmers to improve the project and contribute back .
There is n't a lot of call for that in LTSP yet - corporations find it easier to just license Citrix or Microsoft Terminal Services .
This may change as VDI initiatives take off for the power savings , security benefits and management economy .
Terminal services on low-watt thin clients is hugely green .
LTSP for terminal services , virtual desktops in KVM , plus dedicated servers for high-powered users makes a nice blended VDI solution that suits low-needs customer service people who only need a browser , all the way up to engineers - as long as everybody can use Linux .
Management overhead is very low and security can be as high as you can get with network access terminals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is if they're also teaching school.
A lot of open source projects are funded by enterprises that pay programmers to improve the project and contribute back.
There isn't a lot of call for that in LTSP yet - corporations find it easier to just license Citrix or Microsoft Terminal Services.
This may change as VDI initiatives take off for the power savings, security benefits and management economy.
Terminal services on low-watt thin clients is hugely green.
LTSP for terminal services, virtual desktops in KVM, plus dedicated servers for high-powered users makes a nice blended VDI solution that suits low-needs customer service people who only need a browser, all the way up to engineers - as long as everybody can use Linux.
Management overhead is very low and security can be as high as you can get with network access terminals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223282</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see what the big deal is</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1266755100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VNC tends to be significantly faster than SSH+X11. It does present some security issues in normal use, but the concepts have been around for years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VNC tends to be significantly faster than SSH + X11 .
It does present some security issues in normal use , but the concepts have been around for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VNC tends to be significantly faster than SSH+X11.
It does present some security issues in normal use, but the concepts have been around for years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223386</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see what the big deal is</title>
	<author>micheas</author>
	<datestamp>1266755760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But do you have sound working? Can you plug in a usb drive on your client and see it on your desktop? Yes you can do all that, but you also need to manage it, and LTSP supports installations of as large as 30,000 desktop clients.</p><p>The point is to have a thin client work like a desktop.When it works it is a huge time saver for admins, as you have one server cluster to back up and maintain, and a bunch of diskless workstations that can be unplugged and replaced with no configuration or installation beyond maybe needing to put the mac address in dhcpd.conf</p><p>LTSP is probably more work than it's worth if you have less than five work stations, but more than five workstations, and the long term savings probably make it worth the initial time investment, as you need beefy servers and good redundancies, but after you have a high availability server cluster that people are logging into,  management as become a lot easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But do you have sound working ?
Can you plug in a usb drive on your client and see it on your desktop ?
Yes you can do all that , but you also need to manage it , and LTSP supports installations of as large as 30,000 desktop clients.The point is to have a thin client work like a desktop.When it works it is a huge time saver for admins , as you have one server cluster to back up and maintain , and a bunch of diskless workstations that can be unplugged and replaced with no configuration or installation beyond maybe needing to put the mac address in dhcpd.confLTSP is probably more work than it 's worth if you have less than five work stations , but more than five workstations , and the long term savings probably make it worth the initial time investment , as you need beefy servers and good redundancies , but after you have a high availability server cluster that people are logging into , management as become a lot easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But do you have sound working?
Can you plug in a usb drive on your client and see it on your desktop?
Yes you can do all that, but you also need to manage it, and LTSP supports installations of as large as 30,000 desktop clients.The point is to have a thin client work like a desktop.When it works it is a huge time saver for admins, as you have one server cluster to back up and maintain, and a bunch of diskless workstations that can be unplugged and replaced with no configuration or installation beyond maybe needing to put the mac address in dhcpd.confLTSP is probably more work than it's worth if you have less than five work stations, but more than five workstations, and the long term savings probably make it worth the initial time investment, as you need beefy servers and good redundancies, but after you have a high availability server cluster that people are logging into,  management as become a lot easier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223002</id>
	<title>Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1266753480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors, the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February.</p></div><p>That's about one commit per 10 days per person. Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene? It seems very low to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors , the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February.That 's about one commit per 10 days per person .
Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene ?
It seems very low to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors, the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February.That's about one commit per 10 days per person.
Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene?
It seems very low to me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31222958</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see what the big deal is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266753180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LTSP isn't some X11 extension.  It's a distro that sets up a server, and supports a large number of diskless thin clients, with lots of features like running apps locally, accessing local disks, etc., etc.</p><p>Running X11 apps over SSH has NO RELATION TO WHAT LTSP DOES.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LTSP is n't some X11 extension .
It 's a distro that sets up a server , and supports a large number of diskless thin clients , with lots of features like running apps locally , accessing local disks , etc. , etc.Running X11 apps over SSH has NO RELATION TO WHAT LTSP DOES .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LTSP isn't some X11 extension.
It's a distro that sets up a server, and supports a large number of diskless thin clients, with lots of features like running apps locally, accessing local disks, etc., etc.Running X11 apps over SSH has NO RELATION TO WHAT LTSP DOES.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31224908</id>
	<title>Re:Word of Warning: Network Bandwidth</title>
	<author>cynyr</author>
	<datestamp>1266766800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>100Mb would seem fine assuming that it's on a proper(managed/smart) switch and not on a hub.</htmltext>
<tokenext>100Mb would seem fine assuming that it 's on a proper ( managed/smart ) switch and not on a hub .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>100Mb would seem fine assuming that it's on a proper(managed/smart) switch and not on a hub.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223656</id>
	<title>are there a windows client available?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266757620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are there a windows client available?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are there a windows client available ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are there a windows client available?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223402</id>
	<title>Re:Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1266755880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors, the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February.</p></div><p>That's about one commit per 10 days per person. Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene? It seems very low to me.</p></div><p>They are probably using something old fashioned like CVS where all commits are globally visible and nobody can commit anything which might possibly break a branch. In mercurial I tend to commit every time I make a change and then collapse commits into logical patches before I push upstream.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors , the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February.That 's about one commit per 10 days per person .
Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene ?
It seems very low to me.They are probably using something old fashioned like CVS where all commits are globally visible and nobody can commit anything which might possibly break a branch .
In mercurial I tend to commit every time I make a change and then collapse commits into logical patches before I push upstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After almost two years or work and 994 commits later made by only 14 contributors, the LTSP team is proud to announce that the Linux Terminal Server Project project released LTSP 5.2 on Wednesday the 17th of February.That's about one commit per 10 days per person.
Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene?
It seems very low to me.They are probably using something old fashioned like CVS where all commits are globally visible and nobody can commit anything which might possibly break a branch.
In mercurial I tend to commit every time I make a change and then collapse commits into logical patches before I push upstream.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223778</id>
	<title>Re:Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266758460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p># of commits != progress</p></htmltext>
<tokenext># of commits ! = progress</tokentext>
<sentencetext># of commits != progress</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31226972</id>
	<title>Clients</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266830700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What Diskless Clients should we buy - most of them seem more expensive than a cheap Dell?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What Diskless Clients should we buy - most of them seem more expensive than a cheap Dell ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What Diskless Clients should we buy - most of them seem more expensive than a cheap Dell?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223210</id>
	<title>Re:Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266754680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The project is underfunded and all 14 developers had to share the same keyboard and terminal. On top of that one developer kept eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that gummed up the keyboard and he was always touching the monitor so it was harder to debug with PBJ on the screen. For the love of God please donate to this project or 5.3 will not be realeased before the end of the world in 2012.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The project is underfunded and all 14 developers had to share the same keyboard and terminal .
On top of that one developer kept eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that gummed up the keyboard and he was always touching the monitor so it was harder to debug with PBJ on the screen .
For the love of God please donate to this project or 5.3 will not be realeased before the end of the world in 2012 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The project is underfunded and all 14 developers had to share the same keyboard and terminal.
On top of that one developer kept eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that gummed up the keyboard and he was always touching the monitor so it was harder to debug with PBJ on the screen.
For the love of God please donate to this project or 5.3 will not be realeased before the end of the world in 2012.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Interesting, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266763800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there any effort to separate X from XDMCP to speed up local X server?  X (local) just doesn't seem as snappy as Windows.  Does OSX use X for windowing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any effort to separate X from XDMCP to speed up local X server ?
X ( local ) just does n't seem as snappy as Windows .
Does OSX use X for windowing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any effort to separate X from XDMCP to speed up local X server?
X (local) just doesn't seem as snappy as Windows.
Does OSX use X for windowing?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31223340</id>
	<title>Re:Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>bligneri</author>
	<datestamp>1266755400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, a large part of the job is to make sure that LTSP is properly supported<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... by the distributions. Those changes are not, per se, in the LTSP code but in most of the distro code and not directly in the project code so I guess that it makes sense for such a project that integrates a lot of underlying technologies that have to be supported and working together :
<ul>
<li> DHCP</li><li>TFTP</li><li>NFS (no more)</li><li>NBD</li><li>Pulseaudio</li><li>X11 (X.org)</li><li>etc. (to name a few)</li></ul><p>
LTSP is supported by Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora/RedHat, Suse.
</p><p>
On another level, another important effort has been done to provide enterprise grade thin client (<a href="http://www.ltsp-cluster.org/" title="ltsp-cluster.org" rel="nofollow">LTSP-Cluster</a> [ltsp-cluster.org]) and all those efforts happens outside the LTSP tree and are not accounted for in this changelog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , a large part of the job is to make sure that LTSP is properly supported ... by the distributions .
Those changes are not , per se , in the LTSP code but in most of the distro code and not directly in the project code so I guess that it makes sense for such a project that integrates a lot of underlying technologies that have to be supported and working together : DHCPTFTPNFS ( no more ) NBDPulseaudioX11 ( X.org ) etc .
( to name a few ) LTSP is supported by Debian , Ubuntu , Fedora/RedHat , Suse .
On another level , another important effort has been done to provide enterprise grade thin client ( LTSP-Cluster [ ltsp-cluster.org ] ) and all those efforts happens outside the LTSP tree and are not accounted for in this changelog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, a large part of the job is to make sure that LTSP is properly supported ... by the distributions.
Those changes are not, per se, in the LTSP code but in most of the distro code and not directly in the project code so I guess that it makes sense for such a project that integrates a lot of underlying technologies that have to be supported and working together :

 DHCPTFTPNFS (no more)NBDPulseaudioX11 (X.org)etc.
(to name a few)
LTSP is supported by Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora/RedHat, Suse.
On another level, another important effort has been done to provide enterprise grade thin client (LTSP-Cluster [ltsp-cluster.org]) and all those efforts happens outside the LTSP tree and are not accounted for in this changelog.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31224754</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see what the big deal is</title>
	<author>Daengbo</author>
	<datestamp>1266765420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't do exactly what the project says it does. The project uses diskless system with no ROM OS to boot to a full X session or RDP session. Jim McQuillan basically wrote a system to duplicte what he was doing for hospitals at the time. When I used LTSP often (from 0.9 to 4.0, circa 2000-2004), the process worked like this:</p><ol><li>PXE boot to find a kernel</li><li>Get DHCP address</li><li>load the root file system</li><li>Pivot root into the new system</li><li>NFS mount<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home</li><li>Start X session with optional server chooser.</li><li>Log in to an X session on the server while still being able to use local sound, printers, and USB drives.</li></ol><p>I'd also like to give a big shout out to Eric Harrison, who made the whole system easy to use for schools with K12LTSP (now <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/" title="fedorahosted.org" rel="nofollow">K12Linux</a> [fedorahosted.org]).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't do exactly what the project says it does .
The project uses diskless system with no ROM OS to boot to a full X session or RDP session .
Jim McQuillan basically wrote a system to duplicte what he was doing for hospitals at the time .
When I used LTSP often ( from 0.9 to 4.0 , circa 2000-2004 ) , the process worked like this : PXE boot to find a kernelGet DHCP addressload the root file systemPivot root into the new systemNFS mount /homeStart X session with optional server chooser.Log in to an X session on the server while still being able to use local sound , printers , and USB drives.I 'd also like to give a big shout out to Eric Harrison , who made the whole system easy to use for schools with K12LTSP ( now K12Linux [ fedorahosted.org ] ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't do exactly what the project says it does.
The project uses diskless system with no ROM OS to boot to a full X session or RDP session.
Jim McQuillan basically wrote a system to duplicte what he was doing for hospitals at the time.
When I used LTSP often (from 0.9 to 4.0, circa 2000-2004), the process worked like this:PXE boot to find a kernelGet DHCP addressload the root file systemPivot root into the new systemNFS mount /homeStart X session with optional server chooser.Log in to an X session on the server while still being able to use local sound, printers, and USB drives.I'd also like to give a big shout out to Eric Harrison, who made the whole system easy to use for schools with K12LTSP (now K12Linux [fedorahosted.org]).</sentencetext>
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	<title>N-W "Eye" &amp; Site-Access Control?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266771840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least one school requires these features:</p><p>1. an admin tool (akin to "Network Eye? from long ago) to enable a teacher<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to follow progress, message, take control (if instructions are ignored) &amp;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; assist/monitor a REMOTE (usually, in another room, at same facility)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; student/terminal (with up to 4 thumbs of terminal screens / page), AND</p><p>2. a way to strictly limit access to web sites (eg, to those needed for the<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; assigned tasks and/or (eg, during free-use times) those deemed to be<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; appropriate for access from school.</p><p>Only if both of these feature are available would some schools be prepared<br>to trial this system.</p><p>ARE THESE FEATURES ALREADY in the DEFAULT LTSP 5.2 ?</p><p>If so, are there any known issues with their functionality ?</p><p>(We'd not be able to approach the school if kids could find "workarounds"<br>to site-access control; &amp; they'd still need to monitor &amp; assist students'<br>working, in real time.)</p><p>TIA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least one school requires these features : 1. an admin tool ( akin to " Network Eye ?
from long ago ) to enable a teacher         to follow progress , message , take control ( if instructions are ignored ) &amp;         assist/monitor a REMOTE ( usually , in another room , at same facility )         student/terminal ( with up to 4 thumbs of terminal screens / page ) , AND2 .
a way to strictly limit access to web sites ( eg , to those needed for the         assigned tasks and/or ( eg , during free-use times ) those deemed to be         appropriate for access from school.Only if both of these feature are available would some schools be preparedto trial this system.ARE THESE FEATURES ALREADY in the DEFAULT LTSP 5.2 ? If so , are there any known issues with their functionality ?
( We 'd not be able to approach the school if kids could find " workarounds " to site-access control ; &amp; they 'd still need to monitor &amp; assist students'working , in real time .
) TIA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least one school requires these features:1. an admin tool (akin to "Network Eye?
from long ago) to enable a teacher
        to follow progress, message, take control (if instructions are ignored) &amp;
        assist/monitor a REMOTE (usually, in another room, at same facility)
        student/terminal (with up to 4 thumbs of terminal screens / page), AND2.
a way to strictly limit access to web sites (eg, to those needed for the
        assigned tasks and/or (eg, during free-use times) those deemed to be
        appropriate for access from school.Only if both of these feature are available would some schools be preparedto trial this system.ARE THESE FEATURES ALREADY in the DEFAULT LTSP 5.2 ?If so, are there any known issues with their functionality ?
(We'd not be able to approach the school if kids could find "workarounds"to site-access control; &amp; they'd still need to monitor &amp; assist students'working, in real time.
)TIA</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31224866</id>
	<title>Re:Word of Warning: Network Bandwidth</title>
	<author>Daengbo</author>
	<datestamp>1266766620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's designed to be used over a local, switched network. Is that normally slow for you? The standard now is 1Gb/s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's designed to be used over a local , switched network .
Is that normally slow for you ?
The standard now is 1Gb/s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's designed to be used over a local, switched network.
Is that normally slow for you?
The standard now is 1Gb/s.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:N-W "Eye" &amp; Site-Access Control?</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1266846900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We'd not be able to approach the school if kids could find "workarounds"
to site-access control; &amp; they'd still need to monitor &amp; assist students'
working, in real time.</p></div><p>Unless you're explicitly whitelisting sites, or you're preventing students from using SSH software or using their own machines, I'm sure you have kids smart enough in your school who know about ssh -D.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'd not be able to approach the school if kids could find " workarounds " to site-access control ; &amp; they 'd still need to monitor &amp; assist students ' working , in real time.Unless you 're explicitly whitelisting sites , or you 're preventing students from using SSH software or using their own machines , I 'm sure you have kids smart enough in your school who know about ssh -D .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'd not be able to approach the school if kids could find "workarounds"
to site-access control; &amp; they'd still need to monitor &amp; assist students'
working, in real time.Unless you're explicitly whitelisting sites, or you're preventing students from using SSH software or using their own machines, I'm sure you have kids smart enough in your school who know about ssh -D.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31224938</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see what the big deal is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266767100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VNC on Linux/Unix (or any platform) is *HORRIBLY* slower than native X11... there is no comparison and the technologies are completely different.  VNC is also tremendously more network and CPU load on both client AND host.</p><p>VNC just unintelligently pushes a bunch of screen bitmap updates on a huge graphic image.  X11 is a true windowing/widget/primatives protocol that only draws what it needs and where it needs it and the Xserver does a lot of intelligent stuff.  On a good network you can't tell that a program is not running native when remotely served through X (with the exception of motion video).</p><p>Don't get me wrong- VNC is extremely useful.  And, in fact, we use it for "desktop sharing" to help support people running Xterminals, which, themselves, are running remote X (X clients running on a remote host and displaying on the local Xserver).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VNC on Linux/Unix ( or any platform ) is * HORRIBLY * slower than native X11... there is no comparison and the technologies are completely different .
VNC is also tremendously more network and CPU load on both client AND host.VNC just unintelligently pushes a bunch of screen bitmap updates on a huge graphic image .
X11 is a true windowing/widget/primatives protocol that only draws what it needs and where it needs it and the Xserver does a lot of intelligent stuff .
On a good network you ca n't tell that a program is not running native when remotely served through X ( with the exception of motion video ) .Do n't get me wrong- VNC is extremely useful .
And , in fact , we use it for " desktop sharing " to help support people running Xterminals , which , themselves , are running remote X ( X clients running on a remote host and displaying on the local Xserver ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VNC on Linux/Unix (or any platform) is *HORRIBLY* slower than native X11... there is no comparison and the technologies are completely different.
VNC is also tremendously more network and CPU load on both client AND host.VNC just unintelligently pushes a bunch of screen bitmap updates on a huge graphic image.
X11 is a true windowing/widget/primatives protocol that only draws what it needs and where it needs it and the Xserver does a lot of intelligent stuff.
On a good network you can't tell that a program is not running native when remotely served through X (with the exception of motion video).Don't get me wrong- VNC is extremely useful.
And, in fact, we use it for "desktop sharing" to help support people running Xterminals, which, themselves, are running remote X (X clients running on a remote host and displaying on the local Xserver).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31227116</id>
	<title>ltsp problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266833160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>still, there are inefficiencies:<br>-Ltsp is over ssh. that means no udp. they also have to mantain a whole login manager.<br>
&nbsp; was openvpn that difficoult to use? ipsec?<br>- X11 connection.<br>100mb/s connection is NOT enough for a 1280x1024 desktop. just try to see a youtube hd video.<br>you need at least a gb/s connection. for 1 client. so what should the server have?<br>what about using something like vnc or FreeNX??<br>-last time i used it (4 months ago) there were lots of problems with local devices: cdroms were visible on ALL desktops, usb was NOT unmountable, no common character device support.</p><p>don't get me wrong, it's a nice project, but it has still a lot of work to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>still , there are inefficiencies : -Ltsp is over ssh .
that means no udp .
they also have to mantain a whole login manager .
  was openvpn that difficoult to use ?
ipsec ? - X11 connection.100mb/s connection is NOT enough for a 1280x1024 desktop .
just try to see a youtube hd video.you need at least a gb/s connection .
for 1 client .
so what should the server have ? what about using something like vnc or FreeNX ?
? -last time i used it ( 4 months ago ) there were lots of problems with local devices : cdroms were visible on ALL desktops , usb was NOT unmountable , no common character device support.do n't get me wrong , it 's a nice project , but it has still a lot of work to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>still, there are inefficiencies:-Ltsp is over ssh.
that means no udp.
they also have to mantain a whole login manager.
  was openvpn that difficoult to use?
ipsec?- X11 connection.100mb/s connection is NOT enough for a 1280x1024 desktop.
just try to see a youtube hd video.you need at least a gb/s connection.
for 1 client.
so what should the server have?what about using something like vnc or FreeNX?
?-last time i used it (4 months ago) there were lots of problems with local devices: cdroms were visible on ALL desktops, usb was NOT unmountable, no common character device support.don't get me wrong, it's a nice project, but it has still a lot of work to do.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Quiet in here...</title>
	<author>HoldmyCauls</author>
	<datestamp>1266755580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not many comments yet, so I just thought I'd say "Huzzah!"</p><p>I'm a teacher for a catholic school on a tight budget with laptops with dying hard drives.  Edubuntu has been a major lifesaver for me.  I'll be checking out the improvements in the new version!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not many comments yet , so I just thought I 'd say " Huzzah !
" I 'm a teacher for a catholic school on a tight budget with laptops with dying hard drives .
Edubuntu has been a major lifesaver for me .
I 'll be checking out the improvements in the new version !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not many comments yet, so I just thought I'd say "Huzzah!
"I'm a teacher for a catholic school on a tight budget with laptops with dying hard drives.
Edubuntu has been a major lifesaver for me.
I'll be checking out the improvements in the new version!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Quiet in here...</title>
	<author>pnutjam</author>
	<datestamp>1266856500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another good option from <a href="http://en.opensuse.org/Education" title="opensuse.org">OpenSUSE</a> [opensuse.org].  I have had better results with their releases.  They tend to do better more reliable hardware support.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another good option from OpenSUSE [ opensuse.org ] .
I have had better results with their releases .
They tend to do better more reliable hardware support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another good option from OpenSUSE [opensuse.org].
I have had better results with their releases.
They tend to do better more reliable hardware support.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_225233.31222944</id>
	<title>why the hell should I give a shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266753060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>not that I would even if I should.</htmltext>
<tokenext>not that I would even if I should .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not that I would even if I should.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>Sam36</author>
	<datestamp>1266754500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, open source is just that good. Requiring infrequent updates as an overall whole. This isn't your billy gates "I installed new bugs for you to find and give me your money to fix them" scheme.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , open source is just that good .
Requiring infrequent updates as an overall whole .
This is n't your billy gates " I installed new bugs for you to find and give me your money to fix them " scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, open source is just that good.
Requiring infrequent updates as an overall whole.
This isn't your billy gates "I installed new bugs for you to find and give me your money to fix them" scheme.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Only 994 commits in 2 years by 14 people?</title>
	<author>asdf7890</author>
	<datestamp>1266756000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's about one commit per 10 days per person. Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene? It seems very low to me.</p></div><p>It depends on the size of the average commit. If most of them are small changes to single files then yes this is probably slow. But if a developer is working on a complex change then an individual commit could represent a significant number of man-hours developing, unit testing and regression testing before the commit. This is especially true if they are using some form of distributed source control whereby said developer has a local repository to keep inter-commit changes tracked in or if they are using a branch+merge arrangement (so the developer commits partial changes to a "personal" dev branch) and they are only counting commits/merges to the main branch/trunck in the above count.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's about one commit per 10 days per person .
Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene ?
It seems very low to me.It depends on the size of the average commit .
If most of them are small changes to single files then yes this is probably slow .
But if a developer is working on a complex change then an individual commit could represent a significant number of man-hours developing , unit testing and regression testing before the commit .
This is especially true if they are using some form of distributed source control whereby said developer has a local repository to keep inter-commit changes tracked in or if they are using a branch + merge arrangement ( so the developer commits partial changes to a " personal " dev branch ) and they are only counting commits/merges to the main branch/trunck in the above count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's about one commit per 10 days per person.
Is this sort of number normal in the open source scene?
It seems very low to me.It depends on the size of the average commit.
If most of them are small changes to single files then yes this is probably slow.
But if a developer is working on a complex change then an individual commit could represent a significant number of man-hours developing, unit testing and regression testing before the commit.
This is especially true if they are using some form of distributed source control whereby said developer has a local repository to keep inter-commit changes tracked in or if they are using a branch+merge arrangement (so the developer commits partial changes to a "personal" dev branch) and they are only counting commits/merges to the main branch/trunck in the above count.
	</sentencetext>
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