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	<title>What Happens In Vegas Happens In Afghanistan</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266744780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>theodp writes <i>"After the morning commute from his Las Vegas apartment, Air Force captain Sam Nelson sits in a padded chair inside a low, tan building in Nevada, controlling a heavily armed drone aircraft soaring over Afghanistan, prepared to kill another human being 7,500 miles away if necessary. <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-drone-crews21-2010feb21,0,2614633.story?track=rss">Welcome to the surreal world of drone pilots</a>, who have a front-row seat on war from half a world away. 'On the drive out here, you get yourself ready to enter the compartment of your life that is flying combat,' explained retired Col. Chris Chambliss. 'And on the drive home, you get ready for that part of your life that's going to be the soccer game.' No wonder why <a href="http://www.rs.af.mil/recruiteronline/story.asp?id=123122790">the Air Force is interested in the Xbox LIVE crowd</a> and <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/waging-war/a-new-generation/the-army-experience-center.html">the Army's opened a new arcade recruitment center</a>!"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>theodp writes " After the morning commute from his Las Vegas apartment , Air Force captain Sam Nelson sits in a padded chair inside a low , tan building in Nevada , controlling a heavily armed drone aircraft soaring over Afghanistan , prepared to kill another human being 7,500 miles away if necessary .
Welcome to the surreal world of drone pilots , who have a front-row seat on war from half a world away .
'On the drive out here , you get yourself ready to enter the compartment of your life that is flying combat, ' explained retired Col. Chris Chambliss .
'And on the drive home , you get ready for that part of your life that 's going to be the soccer game .
' No wonder why the Air Force is interested in the Xbox LIVE crowd and the Army 's opened a new arcade recruitment center !
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<sentencetext>theodp writes "After the morning commute from his Las Vegas apartment, Air Force captain Sam Nelson sits in a padded chair inside a low, tan building in Nevada, controlling a heavily armed drone aircraft soaring over Afghanistan, prepared to kill another human being 7,500 miles away if necessary.
Welcome to the surreal world of drone pilots, who have a front-row seat on war from half a world away.
'On the drive out here, you get yourself ready to enter the compartment of your life that is flying combat,' explained retired Col. Chris Chambliss.
'And on the drive home, you get ready for that part of your life that's going to be the soccer game.
' No wonder why the Air Force is interested in the Xbox LIVE crowd and the Army's opened a new arcade recruitment center!
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	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face<br>Huh?  Since the dawn of time wars have been waged face to face.  There are always going to be zealots who can stir up crowds up people to fight for their "noble cause" and their will always be the sane who answer the call to defend individual rights of the oppressed.   Evolution of the battlefield may remove some "front row" elements, but the zealots still remain as do the defenders of freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-faceHuh ?
Since the dawn of time wars have been waged face to face .
There are always going to be zealots who can stir up crowds up people to fight for their " noble cause " and their will always be the sane who answer the call to defend individual rights of the oppressed .
Evolution of the battlefield may remove some " front row " elements , but the zealots still remain as do the defenders of freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-faceHuh?
Since the dawn of time wars have been waged face to face.
There are always going to be zealots who can stir up crowds up people to fight for their "noble cause" and their will always be the sane who answer the call to defend individual rights of the oppressed.
Evolution of the battlefield may remove some "front row" elements, but the zealots still remain as do the defenders of freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31228176</id>
	<title>We're all despots waiting for the technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266846180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're all budding despots waiting for the technology to fulfil our ambitions. Who wouldn't do what they wanted to do if there were no limits.</p><p>If I had control of the drones I wouldn't object, but since, as with the vast majority of other people, I have no control over them, I am not so eager.</p><p>If you are happy that the drones are used in Afghanistan, maybe you won't be so happy when they are used closer to home. Here in the Uk there are already plans to use drones to watch over us. No weapons on board of course, but then the drones in Afghanistan didn't have weapons on board either to begin with.</p><p>If I can't be a despot, I would rather none of you were either. That, in a nutshell, sums up why it isn't a good idea to allow too much technology to accumulate in the hands of the few. All your guns will do nothing for you if there is a drone up above picking you off with lazers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're all budding despots waiting for the technology to fulfil our ambitions .
Who would n't do what they wanted to do if there were no limits.If I had control of the drones I would n't object , but since , as with the vast majority of other people , I have no control over them , I am not so eager.If you are happy that the drones are used in Afghanistan , maybe you wo n't be so happy when they are used closer to home .
Here in the Uk there are already plans to use drones to watch over us .
No weapons on board of course , but then the drones in Afghanistan did n't have weapons on board either to begin with.If I ca n't be a despot , I would rather none of you were either .
That , in a nutshell , sums up why it is n't a good idea to allow too much technology to accumulate in the hands of the few .
All your guns will do nothing for you if there is a drone up above picking you off with lazers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're all budding despots waiting for the technology to fulfil our ambitions.
Who wouldn't do what they wanted to do if there were no limits.If I had control of the drones I wouldn't object, but since, as with the vast majority of other people, I have no control over them, I am not so eager.If you are happy that the drones are used in Afghanistan, maybe you won't be so happy when they are used closer to home.
Here in the Uk there are already plans to use drones to watch over us.
No weapons on board of course, but then the drones in Afghanistan didn't have weapons on board either to begin with.If I can't be a despot, I would rather none of you were either.
That, in a nutshell, sums up why it isn't a good idea to allow too much technology to accumulate in the hands of the few.
All your guns will do nothing for you if there is a drone up above picking you off with lazers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31225324</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1266769500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"Every person you kill takes away a piece of your soul, "</p><p>If one is socially conditioned to think that, one will think that. It's a cherished, popular idea in recent times, especially where religion (as Alan Watts said) institutionalizes guilt as a virtue.</p><p>For an apex predator to mind killing creatures that it perceives as a threat is profoundly un-natural.</p><p>We should look to our simplistic social constructs that try to be "universal" and cannot sufficiently distinguish between war and peace, just violence and unjust, useful and useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Every person you kill takes away a piece of your soul , " If one is socially conditioned to think that , one will think that .
It 's a cherished , popular idea in recent times , especially where religion ( as Alan Watts said ) institutionalizes guilt as a virtue.For an apex predator to mind killing creatures that it perceives as a threat is profoundly un-natural.We should look to our simplistic social constructs that try to be " universal " and can not sufficiently distinguish between war and peace , just violence and unjust , useful and useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Every person you kill takes away a piece of your soul, "If one is socially conditioned to think that, one will think that.
It's a cherished, popular idea in recent times, especially where religion (as Alan Watts said) institutionalizes guilt as a virtue.For an apex predator to mind killing creatures that it perceives as a threat is profoundly un-natural.We should look to our simplistic social constructs that try to be "universal" and cannot sufficiently distinguish between war and peace, just violence and unjust, useful and useless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222452</id>
	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266750180000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's easier:</p><p>Pulling the trigger on a crying little girl running a few feet from you, or pressing a key to eliminate a green sprite on your screen?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's easier : Pulling the trigger on a crying little girl running a few feet from you , or pressing a key to eliminate a green sprite on your screen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's easier:Pulling the trigger on a crying little girl running a few feet from you, or pressing a key to eliminate a green sprite on your screen?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222620</id>
	<title>So if terrorism is the coward's war...</title>
	<author>KarlIsNotMyName</author>
	<datestamp>1266751200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Then what's this?</p><p>I'm not looking forward to technology giving us 'safer wars'. Safer for the technologically superior one, that is (as it's already 'safer' for the one nation that isn't fighting on their own soil).</p><p>What we need from technology, existing technology, is complete and total audio-visual coverage of every war, ever battle, every death, every innocent family left in ruins. We need to get closer to the reality of war, not further away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then what 's this ? I 'm not looking forward to technology giving us 'safer wars' .
Safer for the technologically superior one , that is ( as it 's already 'safer ' for the one nation that is n't fighting on their own soil ) .What we need from technology , existing technology , is complete and total audio-visual coverage of every war , ever battle , every death , every innocent family left in ruins .
We need to get closer to the reality of war , not further away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then what's this?I'm not looking forward to technology giving us 'safer wars'.
Safer for the technologically superior one, that is (as it's already 'safer' for the one nation that isn't fighting on their own soil).What we need from technology, existing technology, is complete and total audio-visual coverage of every war, ever battle, every death, every innocent family left in ruins.
We need to get closer to the reality of war, not further away.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31229402</id>
	<title>Somewhat related</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266854940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>By a strange coincidence, I just finished a slightly drunken discussion with an ex semi-high ranking US officer who now, like so many others, work as a contractor for the dollars, (I don't want to give more information on him) with whom we were dicussing the new technology which allows US troops to mount on top of their vehicle, and fire, a machine gun or a grenade launcher via a remote system.  Currently, this system is used by people within the vehicle with the common benefit of vision enhancing technologies and being able to stay away from direct gunfire, but it can just as well be used remotedly.</p><p>The best thing with this technology (regarding efficiency as a killing machine) is that it takes away the normal heart-throbbing which occurs when you're pulling the trigger in order to kill a person.  It somewhat dehumanizes the situation, turning it into a game, or virtual, or however you want to put it, not as real.  This is what makes it so much more effective, and is commonly accepted within the armed forces.</p><p>Then I came back home, slightly tipsy, and found this topic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By a strange coincidence , I just finished a slightly drunken discussion with an ex semi-high ranking US officer who now , like so many others , work as a contractor for the dollars , ( I do n't want to give more information on him ) with whom we were dicussing the new technology which allows US troops to mount on top of their vehicle , and fire , a machine gun or a grenade launcher via a remote system .
Currently , this system is used by people within the vehicle with the common benefit of vision enhancing technologies and being able to stay away from direct gunfire , but it can just as well be used remotedly.The best thing with this technology ( regarding efficiency as a killing machine ) is that it takes away the normal heart-throbbing which occurs when you 're pulling the trigger in order to kill a person .
It somewhat dehumanizes the situation , turning it into a game , or virtual , or however you want to put it , not as real .
This is what makes it so much more effective , and is commonly accepted within the armed forces.Then I came back home , slightly tipsy , and found this topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By a strange coincidence, I just finished a slightly drunken discussion with an ex semi-high ranking US officer who now, like so many others, work as a contractor for the dollars, (I don't want to give more information on him) with whom we were dicussing the new technology which allows US troops to mount on top of their vehicle, and fire, a machine gun or a grenade launcher via a remote system.
Currently, this system is used by people within the vehicle with the common benefit of vision enhancing technologies and being able to stay away from direct gunfire, but it can just as well be used remotedly.The best thing with this technology (regarding efficiency as a killing machine) is that it takes away the normal heart-throbbing which occurs when you're pulling the trigger in order to kill a person.
It somewhat dehumanizes the situation, turning it into a game, or virtual, or however you want to put it, not as real.
This is what makes it so much more effective, and is commonly accepted within the armed forces.Then I came back home, slightly tipsy, and found this topic.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31225912</id>
	<title>A Combat Vets Thoughts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266774300000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a USMC combat vet of multiple OIF and other operational deployments. This is a big issue, but from what I've read everyone seems to be focusing on the wrong parts of the issue and its results. By using remote technology, what we do is remove the horror you feel from seeing the end result of what you have done. Shooting someone from afar (or bombing with a drone) is one thing, but shooting multiple people, including accidental civilians, and then after-wards having to walk around in the carnage you have produced and is very different. But this is not the real problem, it is that the military and governmental officials use tactics like this to keep the amount of morale high, the main result being a lack of questioning of the most important question in war. Why? This is why I could no longer serve the military. I grew up as your traditional war guy. I was a southern baptist from Texas, I had a long family military history, as my dad is a Marine, both my grandfathers were in the military, my great uncle was wounded on Guadalcanal and died on the 2nd push on Iwo Jima. I believed in god and my country with a great bit of idealism, and joined not long after the initial Afghan invasion. The more war I experienced, the more I questioned things, and eventually started looking into them. The deeper I looked, the more and more I felt betrayed by my country. The very moral fabric of my life was ripped out from under me, I now no longer believe in god, in my country, and especially I hate patriotism and nationalism for their use as tools to blind young men. These wars are about two things, money and power, make no mistake. But I digress, (I could go on for ages about the subject, I am currently doing a rough outline for a book, but it is more for me than anything else) The point is you remove the horror of war, and you remove the main reason that people should realize why it is so horrible and should be avoided if at all possible, creating a culture that views war with a distant afterthought, bound with the strings of selective justification. To this day though, I have not come up with an answer of how to prevent this. It seems to happen regardless. We have a war, we have tons of vets with PTSD, and we forget our lessons, and 20 years later we are in another war that creates the same problems. The first step I can think of, is to at least try to educate our young population about war. I see things like Army propoganda trailers in the movie theatres that make war look like an exciting episode of Call of Duty. We should start showing films of you buddy dying from an IED blast, from another being trapped in the Humvee as it is on fire, films of insurgents blown to bits, about how some of us can barely leave our apartment or keep a job because we are so on edge or paranoid, how the VA treats you like a pile of shit. We must do anything and everything to stop the politicians and the powers that be from inflicting this on a new generation later. Fuck the politicians and all the things that keep them there and all their benefits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a USMC combat vet of multiple OIF and other operational deployments .
This is a big issue , but from what I 've read everyone seems to be focusing on the wrong parts of the issue and its results .
By using remote technology , what we do is remove the horror you feel from seeing the end result of what you have done .
Shooting someone from afar ( or bombing with a drone ) is one thing , but shooting multiple people , including accidental civilians , and then after-wards having to walk around in the carnage you have produced and is very different .
But this is not the real problem , it is that the military and governmental officials use tactics like this to keep the amount of morale high , the main result being a lack of questioning of the most important question in war .
Why ? This is why I could no longer serve the military .
I grew up as your traditional war guy .
I was a southern baptist from Texas , I had a long family military history , as my dad is a Marine , both my grandfathers were in the military , my great uncle was wounded on Guadalcanal and died on the 2nd push on Iwo Jima .
I believed in god and my country with a great bit of idealism , and joined not long after the initial Afghan invasion .
The more war I experienced , the more I questioned things , and eventually started looking into them .
The deeper I looked , the more and more I felt betrayed by my country .
The very moral fabric of my life was ripped out from under me , I now no longer believe in god , in my country , and especially I hate patriotism and nationalism for their use as tools to blind young men .
These wars are about two things , money and power , make no mistake .
But I digress , ( I could go on for ages about the subject , I am currently doing a rough outline for a book , but it is more for me than anything else ) The point is you remove the horror of war , and you remove the main reason that people should realize why it is so horrible and should be avoided if at all possible , creating a culture that views war with a distant afterthought , bound with the strings of selective justification .
To this day though , I have not come up with an answer of how to prevent this .
It seems to happen regardless .
We have a war , we have tons of vets with PTSD , and we forget our lessons , and 20 years later we are in another war that creates the same problems .
The first step I can think of , is to at least try to educate our young population about war .
I see things like Army propoganda trailers in the movie theatres that make war look like an exciting episode of Call of Duty .
We should start showing films of you buddy dying from an IED blast , from another being trapped in the Humvee as it is on fire , films of insurgents blown to bits , about how some of us can barely leave our apartment or keep a job because we are so on edge or paranoid , how the VA treats you like a pile of shit .
We must do anything and everything to stop the politicians and the powers that be from inflicting this on a new generation later .
Fuck the politicians and all the things that keep them there and all their benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a USMC combat vet of multiple OIF and other operational deployments.
This is a big issue, but from what I've read everyone seems to be focusing on the wrong parts of the issue and its results.
By using remote technology, what we do is remove the horror you feel from seeing the end result of what you have done.
Shooting someone from afar (or bombing with a drone) is one thing, but shooting multiple people, including accidental civilians, and then after-wards having to walk around in the carnage you have produced and is very different.
But this is not the real problem, it is that the military and governmental officials use tactics like this to keep the amount of morale high, the main result being a lack of questioning of the most important question in war.
Why? This is why I could no longer serve the military.
I grew up as your traditional war guy.
I was a southern baptist from Texas, I had a long family military history, as my dad is a Marine, both my grandfathers were in the military, my great uncle was wounded on Guadalcanal and died on the 2nd push on Iwo Jima.
I believed in god and my country with a great bit of idealism, and joined not long after the initial Afghan invasion.
The more war I experienced, the more I questioned things, and eventually started looking into them.
The deeper I looked, the more and more I felt betrayed by my country.
The very moral fabric of my life was ripped out from under me, I now no longer believe in god, in my country, and especially I hate patriotism and nationalism for their use as tools to blind young men.
These wars are about two things, money and power, make no mistake.
But I digress, (I could go on for ages about the subject, I am currently doing a rough outline for a book, but it is more for me than anything else) The point is you remove the horror of war, and you remove the main reason that people should realize why it is so horrible and should be avoided if at all possible, creating a culture that views war with a distant afterthought, bound with the strings of selective justification.
To this day though, I have not come up with an answer of how to prevent this.
It seems to happen regardless.
We have a war, we have tons of vets with PTSD, and we forget our lessons, and 20 years later we are in another war that creates the same problems.
The first step I can think of, is to at least try to educate our young population about war.
I see things like Army propoganda trailers in the movie theatres that make war look like an exciting episode of Call of Duty.
We should start showing films of you buddy dying from an IED blast, from another being trapped in the Humvee as it is on fire, films of insurgents blown to bits, about how some of us can barely leave our apartment or keep a job because we are so on edge or paranoid, how the VA treats you like a pile of shit.
We must do anything and everything to stop the politicians and the powers that be from inflicting this on a new generation later.
Fuck the politicians and all the things that keep them there and all their benefits.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266751560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>yes, I am a UAV pilot. No, you're dead wrong. All of you motherfuckers have no clue. Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles.  And no, I do it because I don't want my two little girls to be property. That is the cost of loosing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , I am a UAV pilot .
No , you 're dead wrong .
All of you motherfuckers have no clue .
Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles .
And no , I do it because I do n't want my two little girls to be property .
That is the cost of loosing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, I am a UAV pilot.
No, you're dead wrong.
All of you motherfuckers have no clue.
Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles.
And no, I do it because I don't want my two little girls to be property.
That is the cost of loosing.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1266755520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now we have guys sitting in rooms filled with computer screens blowing people up, and is there anyone there to talk to about it? Can they light a cigarette after, put a fist in the wall, and say "Goddamnit, I wish there'd been another way!" No. You're stuck in a sterile environment, air conditioned, quiet, and after blowing the fuck out of someone you can get up and go get yourself a soda from the vend, grab your coat, file some paperwork, and drive home.</p></div></blockquote><p>You think they don't talk to other people in their unit?  That they (the pilots) never interact with anyone else?  You think they just 'blow people up' and head home for the day?  You're living in a surreal dreamworld.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>Huge disclaimer -- I'm not in the military, I don't know what these guys to for stress relief, or to deal with the emotional consequences of what they're doing. But I do know the dangers of becoming emotionally numb to violence, and without advocating for or against what the military is doing, I want to ask -- what are we doing to help these soldiers deal with those issues? For that matter, is it even an issue? I don't really know. But I think it helps to look someone in the eye if you have to kill them. To know they were a real person. To remember what you've done -- even if it was the right thing to do, even if there was no other choice, it's a statement about the value of human life.</p></div></blockquote><p>
&nbsp; <br>When I was on a SSBN back the 80's and worked with nuclear weapons, we sure as hell talked among ourselves and with our contemporaries about what we were doing and it's on ourselves and on the world. Not just about the happy parts ("keeping the world safe through deterrence") but also about the consequences of flipping the switches and pushing the buttons and letting the birds fly.  We were about as far from emotionally numb or depersonalizing our targets as you could get.<br>
&nbsp; <br>If you think military personnel are just automatons without feelings or an awareness of what they are doing, again you're living in a surreal dreamworld.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Even today, twenty five years since I last sat a live console, when I meet someone online from Russia it still strikes me sometimes that I could have been the instrument of their death.  (Or, if they are young enough, of their never even existing.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Now we have guys sitting in rooms filled with computer screens blowing people up , and is there anyone there to talk to about it ?
Can they light a cigarette after , put a fist in the wall , and say " Goddamnit , I wish there 'd been another way !
" No .
You 're stuck in a sterile environment , air conditioned , quiet , and after blowing the fuck out of someone you can get up and go get yourself a soda from the vend , grab your coat , file some paperwork , and drive home.You think they do n't talk to other people in their unit ?
That they ( the pilots ) never interact with anyone else ?
You think they just 'blow people up ' and head home for the day ?
You 're living in a surreal dreamworld .
    Huge disclaimer -- I 'm not in the military , I do n't know what these guys to for stress relief , or to deal with the emotional consequences of what they 're doing .
But I do know the dangers of becoming emotionally numb to violence , and without advocating for or against what the military is doing , I want to ask -- what are we doing to help these soldiers deal with those issues ?
For that matter , is it even an issue ?
I do n't really know .
But I think it helps to look someone in the eye if you have to kill them .
To know they were a real person .
To remember what you 've done -- even if it was the right thing to do , even if there was no other choice , it 's a statement about the value of human life .
  When I was on a SSBN back the 80 's and worked with nuclear weapons , we sure as hell talked among ourselves and with our contemporaries about what we were doing and it 's on ourselves and on the world .
Not just about the happy parts ( " keeping the world safe through deterrence " ) but also about the consequences of flipping the switches and pushing the buttons and letting the birds fly .
We were about as far from emotionally numb or depersonalizing our targets as you could get .
  If you think military personnel are just automatons without feelings or an awareness of what they are doing , again you 're living in a surreal dreamworld .
  Even today , twenty five years since I last sat a live console , when I meet someone online from Russia it still strikes me sometimes that I could have been the instrument of their death .
( Or , if they are young enough , of their never even existing .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we have guys sitting in rooms filled with computer screens blowing people up, and is there anyone there to talk to about it?
Can they light a cigarette after, put a fist in the wall, and say "Goddamnit, I wish there'd been another way!
" No.
You're stuck in a sterile environment, air conditioned, quiet, and after blowing the fuck out of someone you can get up and go get yourself a soda from the vend, grab your coat, file some paperwork, and drive home.You think they don't talk to other people in their unit?
That they (the pilots) never interact with anyone else?
You think they just 'blow people up' and head home for the day?
You're living in a surreal dreamworld.
  
  Huge disclaimer -- I'm not in the military, I don't know what these guys to for stress relief, or to deal with the emotional consequences of what they're doing.
But I do know the dangers of becoming emotionally numb to violence, and without advocating for or against what the military is doing, I want to ask -- what are we doing to help these soldiers deal with those issues?
For that matter, is it even an issue?
I don't really know.
But I think it helps to look someone in the eye if you have to kill them.
To know they were a real person.
To remember what you've done -- even if it was the right thing to do, even if there was no other choice, it's a statement about the value of human life.
  When I was on a SSBN back the 80's and worked with nuclear weapons, we sure as hell talked among ourselves and with our contemporaries about what we were doing and it's on ourselves and on the world.
Not just about the happy parts ("keeping the world safe through deterrence") but also about the consequences of flipping the switches and pushing the buttons and letting the birds fly.
We were about as far from emotionally numb or depersonalizing our targets as you could get.
  If you think military personnel are just automatons without feelings or an awareness of what they are doing, again you're living in a surreal dreamworld.
  Even today, twenty five years since I last sat a live console, when I meet someone online from Russia it still strikes me sometimes that I could have been the instrument of their death.
(Or, if they are young enough, of their never even existing.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223290</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>\_Sprocket\_</author>
	<datestamp>1266755100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes - because hundreds of years of face-to-face warfare sure demonstrated that this theory pans out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes - because hundreds of years of face-to-face warfare sure demonstrated that this theory pans out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes - because hundreds of years of face-to-face warfare sure demonstrated that this theory pans out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222158</id>
	<title>Nor for everyone</title>
	<author>Haxzaw</author>
	<datestamp>1266748800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Very nice, but the AF will still not allow enlisted to pilot the drones.  Must have at least a 4 year degree in something, even underwater basket weaving will do, and be commissioned in order to fly anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Very nice , but the AF will still not allow enlisted to pilot the drones .
Must have at least a 4 year degree in something , even underwater basket weaving will do , and be commissioned in order to fly anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very nice, but the AF will still not allow enlisted to pilot the drones.
Must have at least a 4 year degree in something, even underwater basket weaving will do, and be commissioned in order to fly anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222498</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1266750540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that exactly the opposite of what the history of warfare shows us?</p><p>Frankly, I'd rather be shot than have to face a Marine with a knife and his war face on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that exactly the opposite of what the history of warfare shows us ? Frankly , I 'd rather be shot than have to face a Marine with a knife and his war face on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that exactly the opposite of what the history of warfare shows us?Frankly, I'd rather be shot than have to face a Marine with a knife and his war face on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222806</id>
	<title>Related Coverage</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1266752280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The subject of drone pilots was recently covered in a PBS Front Line documentary called <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/" title="pbs.org">Digital Nation</a> [pbs.org], specifically <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/waging-war/immersion-training/" title="pbs.org">Immersion Training</a> [pbs.org], and <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/waging-war/remote-control-war/" title="pbs.org">Remote Control War</a> [pbs.org].</p><p>Worth watching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The subject of drone pilots was recently covered in a PBS Front Line documentary called Digital Nation [ pbs.org ] , specifically Immersion Training [ pbs.org ] , and Remote Control War [ pbs.org ] .Worth watching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The subject of drone pilots was recently covered in a PBS Front Line documentary called Digital Nation [pbs.org], specifically Immersion Training [pbs.org], and Remote Control War [pbs.org].Worth watching.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222946</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>yariv</author>
	<datestamp>1266753120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Just like troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, drone crews have access to chaplains, psychologists and doctors. They are taught to keep an eye on one another for signs of stress.</p></div><p>So I'd say the military thought about this and is trying to handle it. They might not do it well, but they're definitely doing something in this respect, and I would expect they would manage to reduce psychological damage to reasonable levels.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Just like troops in Iraq or Afghanistan , drone crews have access to chaplains , psychologists and doctors .
They are taught to keep an eye on one another for signs of stress.So I 'd say the military thought about this and is trying to handle it .
They might not do it well , but they 're definitely doing something in this respect , and I would expect they would manage to reduce psychological damage to reasonable levels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Just like troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, drone crews have access to chaplains, psychologists and doctors.
They are taught to keep an eye on one another for signs of stress.So I'd say the military thought about this and is trying to handle it.
They might not do it well, but they're definitely doing something in this respect, and I would expect they would manage to reduce psychological damage to reasonable levels.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223014</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266753540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing that since they're in Nevada there are a couple of things they are legally doing for stress relief.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing that since they 're in Nevada there are a couple of things they are legally doing for stress relief .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing that since they're in Nevada there are a couple of things they are legally doing for stress relief.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222464</id>
	<title>The real question is, of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266750300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF is he doing in Vegas, I mean...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF is he doing in Vegas , I mean.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF is he doing in Vegas, I mean...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223380</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1266755700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Those people know what the hell they're doing. They're killing someone. You think the people that sat in nuclear silos at the height of the cold war didn't know what that red button would do? You think they didn't break out in cold sweats at night, hoping and praying the day would never come when they'd be ask to do their last duty for their country?</p></div></blockquote><p>
&nbsp; <br>We most certainly did know these things, and we all fervently hoped we'd never be called upon to let the birds fly.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Even today when I meet someone from Russia, it strikes me that I could have been the agent of their death.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those people know what the hell they 're doing .
They 're killing someone .
You think the people that sat in nuclear silos at the height of the cold war did n't know what that red button would do ?
You think they did n't break out in cold sweats at night , hoping and praying the day would never come when they 'd be ask to do their last duty for their country ?
  We most certainly did know these things , and we all fervently hoped we 'd never be called upon to let the birds fly .
  Even today when I meet someone from Russia , it strikes me that I could have been the agent of their death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those people know what the hell they're doing.
They're killing someone.
You think the people that sat in nuclear silos at the height of the cold war didn't know what that red button would do?
You think they didn't break out in cold sweats at night, hoping and praying the day would never come when they'd be ask to do their last duty for their country?
  We most certainly did know these things, and we all fervently hoped we'd never be called upon to let the birds fly.
  Even today when I meet someone from Russia, it strikes me that I could have been the agent of their death.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222440</id>
	<title>So this game</title>
	<author>Megaweapon</author>
	<datestamp>1266750180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>requires a constant internet connection?  Did EA write the software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>requires a constant internet connection ?
Did EA write the software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>requires a constant internet connection?
Did EA write the software?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31240618</id>
	<title>Ah, young grasshoppers.</title>
	<author>mano.m</author>
	<datestamp>1266858960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>War is not about who is right, but who is left.</htmltext>
<tokenext>War is not about who is right , but who is left .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>War is not about who is right, but who is left.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223536</id>
	<title>poor victims of holywood...</title>
	<author>ciganito</author>
	<datestamp>1266756780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
 &ldquo;Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it&rdquo; - Adolf Hitler<br>
<br>
 Sure this has nothing to do with drone pilots, those great aces of war. Technology is nice, fullscale brainstorming the poor minds. I wonder when all this puppets will realize what America is all about... a pure terror machine.<br>So should we start living in fear?<br>
<br>
 I would suppose the next great ace to figure at the side of people like: Michael Wittman, Hans Ulrich Rudel, Pvt Severloh, Felix Steiner, Kurt Meyer and other... will be a fat DoD Source III gamer... I would suppose Valve would be covering soon linux and openBSD with their Steam Client. The hardware manufacturers no longer provide drivers, because Red Hat has provided a full open source driver. The pentagon injected money as they could use it combined with a micro GNU/linux kernel operating on some cheap Nintendo hardware for their new ICBM platform.<br>Finally CDMA2000 was dropped and evil European GSM took over. Apple runs out of stock. Apple hardware is wanted by the mainstream of Fedora. Fedora now has a EFI Fedora sub-distro. <br>A new legion of fanboys and urban myths takes over... <br>
<br>Finally with the success of the drone bombing machines the human overpopulation problem disappears. As long as you support the state, you won't be bombed while sleeping. The US end establishing a powerful military platform in the middle east and seize the remaining oil resources. Finally there's only China and India...<br> <br>this is the kinda stuff that ends up scaring people.<br>And don't forget about the Unix Terrorist<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>   Make the lie big , make it simple , keep saying it , and eventually they will believe it    - Adolf Hitler Sure this has nothing to do with drone pilots , those great aces of war .
Technology is nice , fullscale brainstorming the poor minds .
I wonder when all this puppets will realize what America is all about... a pure terror machine.So should we start living in fear ?
I would suppose the next great ace to figure at the side of people like : Michael Wittman , Hans Ulrich Rudel , Pvt Severloh , Felix Steiner , Kurt Meyer and other... will be a fat DoD Source III gamer... I would suppose Valve would be covering soon linux and openBSD with their Steam Client .
The hardware manufacturers no longer provide drivers , because Red Hat has provided a full open source driver .
The pentagon injected money as they could use it combined with a micro GNU/linux kernel operating on some cheap Nintendo hardware for their new ICBM platform.Finally CDMA2000 was dropped and evil European GSM took over .
Apple runs out of stock .
Apple hardware is wanted by the mainstream of Fedora .
Fedora now has a EFI Fedora sub-distro .
A new legion of fanboys and urban myths takes over.. . Finally with the success of the drone bombing machines the human overpopulation problem disappears .
As long as you support the state , you wo n't be bombed while sleeping .
The US end establishing a powerful military platform in the middle east and seize the remaining oil resources .
Finally there 's only China and India... this is the kinda stuff that ends up scaring people.And do n't forget about the Unix Terrorist : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
 “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” - Adolf Hitler

 Sure this has nothing to do with drone pilots, those great aces of war.
Technology is nice, fullscale brainstorming the poor minds.
I wonder when all this puppets will realize what America is all about... a pure terror machine.So should we start living in fear?
I would suppose the next great ace to figure at the side of people like: Michael Wittman, Hans Ulrich Rudel, Pvt Severloh, Felix Steiner, Kurt Meyer and other... will be a fat DoD Source III gamer... I would suppose Valve would be covering soon linux and openBSD with their Steam Client.
The hardware manufacturers no longer provide drivers, because Red Hat has provided a full open source driver.
The pentagon injected money as they could use it combined with a micro GNU/linux kernel operating on some cheap Nintendo hardware for their new ICBM platform.Finally CDMA2000 was dropped and evil European GSM took over.
Apple runs out of stock.
Apple hardware is wanted by the mainstream of Fedora.
Fedora now has a EFI Fedora sub-distro.
A new legion of fanboys and urban myths takes over... 
Finally with the success of the drone bombing machines the human overpopulation problem disappears.
As long as you support the state, you won't be bombed while sleeping.
The US end establishing a powerful military platform in the middle east and seize the remaining oil resources.
Finally there's only China and India... this is the kinda stuff that ends up scaring people.And don't forget about the Unix Terrorist :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222496</id>
	<title>Seem familiar?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266750540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone remember a very similar story from about a year ago?<br>http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1638229/Behind-the-Scenes-With-Americas-Drone-Pilots?from=rss</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone remember a very similar story from about a year ago ? http : //hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1638229/Behind-the-Scenes-With-Americas-Drone-Pilots ? from = rss</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone remember a very similar story from about a year ago?http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1638229/Behind-the-Scenes-With-Americas-Drone-Pilots?from=rss</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222374</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really deep. How's second semester freshman philosophy going?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really deep .
How 's second semester freshman philosophy going ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really deep.
How's second semester freshman philosophy going?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224440</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266763080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've apparently missed the last 40 years of psychological studies that demonstrate what the factors are that reduce the psychological barriers to abusing another person. Reducing psychological barriers also reduces the psychological impact. One of those factors is how personal the abuse is.</p><p>Your argument might work for you, and that's great and all. You, however, are not the rest of the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've apparently missed the last 40 years of psychological studies that demonstrate what the factors are that reduce the psychological barriers to abusing another person .
Reducing psychological barriers also reduces the psychological impact .
One of those factors is how personal the abuse is.Your argument might work for you , and that 's great and all .
You , however , are not the rest of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've apparently missed the last 40 years of psychological studies that demonstrate what the factors are that reduce the psychological barriers to abusing another person.
Reducing psychological barriers also reduces the psychological impact.
One of those factors is how personal the abuse is.Your argument might work for you, and that's great and all.
You, however, are not the rest of the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222402</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222268</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, how many virgins do the taliban think they'll be getting in the afterlife if they get blown up by a missile from a drone? Is there some kind of bonus?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , how many virgins do the taliban think they 'll be getting in the afterlife if they get blown up by a missile from a drone ?
Is there some kind of bonus ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, how many virgins do the taliban think they'll be getting in the afterlife if they get blown up by a missile from a drone?
Is there some kind of bonus?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222180</id>
	<title>So you wanna join the Air Force and Fly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266748860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, you wanna fly jets in the Air Force and be in the sky?</p><p>Read it and weep.</p><p>Drones: much much cheaper than a manned jet and you don't have to worry about pilots being beheaded on TV. And one day, they'll be completely automated.</p><p>I wonder if this will cause a decline in Air Force recruiting? </p><p>Not everyone can fly the F-22 or F-35 - there's only so many jets. And as I pointed out above, the politicians have incentive to send in the drones.</p><p>I'm surprised the Navy hasn't picked up on this more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you wan na fly jets in the Air Force and be in the sky ? Read it and weep.Drones : much much cheaper than a manned jet and you do n't have to worry about pilots being beheaded on TV .
And one day , they 'll be completely automated.I wonder if this will cause a decline in Air Force recruiting ?
Not everyone can fly the F-22 or F-35 - there 's only so many jets .
And as I pointed out above , the politicians have incentive to send in the drones.I 'm surprised the Navy has n't picked up on this more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you wanna fly jets in the Air Force and be in the sky?Read it and weep.Drones: much much cheaper than a manned jet and you don't have to worry about pilots being beheaded on TV.
And one day, they'll be completely automated.I wonder if this will cause a decline in Air Force recruiting?
Not everyone can fly the F-22 or F-35 - there's only so many jets.
And as I pointed out above, the politicians have incentive to send in the drones.I'm surprised the Navy hasn't picked up on this more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223044</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266753780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing missing is the personal factor. Even if the man you happen to kill is a real Taliban whose goal it is to destroy your country... He still has a loving family. He still has a sweet daughter missing her daddy. He still has parents, family and friends. He still probably also did much good for them.</p><p>Things are not black and white. Without those mullahs he would probably be a random farmer or teacher for his town. And without the US and Russia wrecking his country for decades (remember, there was a time when Afghanistan had the best irrigation system in the world, and everything was green, with huge watermelons and birds), he would maybe not feel so bad to turn to god and the mullahs in anger.</p><p>Know your enemy. The best warriors never even start a war. They turn their enemies into friends. And sometimes they already are friends, if you take a real look.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing missing is the personal factor .
Even if the man you happen to kill is a real Taliban whose goal it is to destroy your country... He still has a loving family .
He still has a sweet daughter missing her daddy .
He still has parents , family and friends .
He still probably also did much good for them.Things are not black and white .
Without those mullahs he would probably be a random farmer or teacher for his town .
And without the US and Russia wrecking his country for decades ( remember , there was a time when Afghanistan had the best irrigation system in the world , and everything was green , with huge watermelons and birds ) , he would maybe not feel so bad to turn to god and the mullahs in anger.Know your enemy .
The best warriors never even start a war .
They turn their enemies into friends .
And sometimes they already are friends , if you take a real look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing missing is the personal factor.
Even if the man you happen to kill is a real Taliban whose goal it is to destroy your country... He still has a loving family.
He still has a sweet daughter missing her daddy.
He still has parents, family and friends.
He still probably also did much good for them.Things are not black and white.
Without those mullahs he would probably be a random farmer or teacher for his town.
And without the US and Russia wrecking his country for decades (remember, there was a time when Afghanistan had the best irrigation system in the world, and everything was green, with huge watermelons and birds), he would maybe not feel so bad to turn to god and the mullahs in anger.Know your enemy.
The best warriors never even start a war.
They turn their enemies into friends.
And sometimes they already are friends, if you take a real look.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222486</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1266750420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Talk to other people about it? You mean besides all the other remote drone pilots?</p><p>Or the next guy up your chain of command? Or your military councilor? Or your spouse? Or your priest/rabbi/whatever?</p><p>Hell, there's probably forum those guys hang out on.</p><p>If there's one thing that's lacking in the modern world, finding people to talk to isn't one of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Talk to other people about it ?
You mean besides all the other remote drone pilots ? Or the next guy up your chain of command ?
Or your military councilor ?
Or your spouse ?
Or your priest/rabbi/whatever ? Hell , there 's probably forum those guys hang out on.If there 's one thing that 's lacking in the modern world , finding people to talk to is n't one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Talk to other people about it?
You mean besides all the other remote drone pilots?Or the next guy up your chain of command?
Or your military councilor?
Or your spouse?
Or your priest/rabbi/whatever?Hell, there's probably forum those guys hang out on.If there's one thing that's lacking in the modern world, finding people to talk to isn't one of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31226316</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1266778260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.</p></div><p>Are you kidding me? Then why was war so popular when all people had were clubs and stones? War is almost non-existent now in comparison, even in the shitty parts of the world.</p><p>War was horrifying and terrifying to several generations of Americans and Europeans - the ones who fought the World Wars. Those were terrifying wars! Even in reasonably modern history, there has been a non-trivial amount of bloodlust and pride in the minds of those going to war to kill. Things like taking scalps, pocket watches, and pendants from those slain, or making a show of those you've killed (pilots marking downed enemies on their plane fuselages, snipers/marksmen doing same on their rifle stocks, etc.)</p><p>War - and the associated killing - is fucking exciting. It's the dying which isn't so great, so it's mostly avoided at all costs. Those "costs" are usually killing more of the other side.</p><p>Especially in today's Western society of moral relativism, I'd think there'd be little to no compunction of killing someone else who has no social connection to you whatsoever, particularly for financial gain. (I don't personally agree with that, but it certainly meshes with the "if it feels good, do it" mentality.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.Are you kidding me ?
Then why was war so popular when all people had were clubs and stones ?
War is almost non-existent now in comparison , even in the shitty parts of the world.War was horrifying and terrifying to several generations of Americans and Europeans - the ones who fought the World Wars .
Those were terrifying wars !
Even in reasonably modern history , there has been a non-trivial amount of bloodlust and pride in the minds of those going to war to kill .
Things like taking scalps , pocket watches , and pendants from those slain , or making a show of those you 've killed ( pilots marking downed enemies on their plane fuselages , snipers/marksmen doing same on their rifle stocks , etc .
) War - and the associated killing - is fucking exciting .
It 's the dying which is n't so great , so it 's mostly avoided at all costs .
Those " costs " are usually killing more of the other side.Especially in today 's Western society of moral relativism , I 'd think there 'd be little to no compunction of killing someone else who has no social connection to you whatsoever , particularly for financial gain .
( I do n't personally agree with that , but it certainly meshes with the " if it feels good , do it " mentality .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.Are you kidding me?
Then why was war so popular when all people had were clubs and stones?
War is almost non-existent now in comparison, even in the shitty parts of the world.War was horrifying and terrifying to several generations of Americans and Europeans - the ones who fought the World Wars.
Those were terrifying wars!
Even in reasonably modern history, there has been a non-trivial amount of bloodlust and pride in the minds of those going to war to kill.
Things like taking scalps, pocket watches, and pendants from those slain, or making a show of those you've killed (pilots marking downed enemies on their plane fuselages, snipers/marksmen doing same on their rifle stocks, etc.
)War - and the associated killing - is fucking exciting.
It's the dying which isn't so great, so it's mostly avoided at all costs.
Those "costs" are usually killing more of the other side.Especially in today's Western society of moral relativism, I'd think there'd be little to no compunction of killing someone else who has no social connection to you whatsoever, particularly for financial gain.
(I don't personally agree with that, but it certainly meshes with the "if it feels good, do it" mentality.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224032</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>rpillala</author>
	<datestamp>1266760380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes, it was the right thing. Yes, it was you or them. But all the justifications</p></div><p>Ah yes the central conceit of war.  Put a bunch of young guys who have their whole lives ahead of them in a situation where it's them or the enemy.  It doesn't matter whose interests are really served by their deployment.  Because who will fault these guys for choosing their own life over someone else's?  I can't blame them either and I'm about as anti-war as they come.  So, then, the people whose interests are really served by the war make sure that we all understand that it's very important to support the troops and very important that we think only of them out there in the field in harm's way.  It's like a marionette show.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it was the right thing .
Yes , it was you or them .
But all the justificationsAh yes the central conceit of war .
Put a bunch of young guys who have their whole lives ahead of them in a situation where it 's them or the enemy .
It does n't matter whose interests are really served by their deployment .
Because who will fault these guys for choosing their own life over someone else 's ?
I ca n't blame them either and I 'm about as anti-war as they come .
So , then , the people whose interests are really served by the war make sure that we all understand that it 's very important to support the troops and very important that we think only of them out there in the field in harm 's way .
It 's like a marionette show .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it was the right thing.
Yes, it was you or them.
But all the justificationsAh yes the central conceit of war.
Put a bunch of young guys who have their whole lives ahead of them in a situation where it's them or the enemy.
It doesn't matter whose interests are really served by their deployment.
Because who will fault these guys for choosing their own life over someone else's?
I can't blame them either and I'm about as anti-war as they come.
So, then, the people whose interests are really served by the war make sure that we all understand that it's very important to support the troops and very important that we think only of them out there in the field in harm's way.
It's like a marionette show.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222608</id>
	<title>diden't they do this in a movie? but it was people</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1266751080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>diden't they do this in a movie? but it was people playing pc games / arcade games controlling bots that where killing real people but it was billed as a game?</p><p>any ways what happens if the bot get's lagged out / jammed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dide n't they do this in a movie ?
but it was people playing pc games / arcade games controlling bots that where killing real people but it was billed as a game ? any ways what happens if the bot get 's lagged out / jammed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>diden't they do this in a movie?
but it was people playing pc games / arcade games controlling bots that where killing real people but it was billed as a game?any ways what happens if the bot get's lagged out / jammed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222242</id>
	<title>Additional risk to us:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We start to treat killing the enemy the way we treat killing chickens at the Perdue packing plant.</p><p>At the most fundamental level, war is still human beings killing other human beings...usually human beings who've never met.  One of the damping feed-backs in the war loop is the ugliness and brutality of it. That loop needs more, not fewer, negative feed-backs. Further depersonalization and sterilization of war may incentivize the decision to engage in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We start to treat killing the enemy the way we treat killing chickens at the Perdue packing plant.At the most fundamental level , war is still human beings killing other human beings...usually human beings who 've never met .
One of the damping feed-backs in the war loop is the ugliness and brutality of it .
That loop needs more , not fewer , negative feed-backs .
Further depersonalization and sterilization of war may incentivize the decision to engage in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We start to treat killing the enemy the way we treat killing chickens at the Perdue packing plant.At the most fundamental level, war is still human beings killing other human beings...usually human beings who've never met.
One of the damping feed-backs in the war loop is the ugliness and brutality of it.
That loop needs more, not fewer, negative feed-backs.
Further depersonalization and sterilization of war may incentivize the decision to engage in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31235644</id>
	<title>Re:Oh boy!</title>
	<author>CityZen</author>
	<datestamp>1266832860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm wondering how long it will be until all aspects of war are virtualized, and the rest of us can then just get on with our lives.  Sort of like "A Taste for Armageddon," but leave out the mandatory execution part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering how long it will be until all aspects of war are virtualized , and the rest of us can then just get on with our lives .
Sort of like " A Taste for Armageddon , " but leave out the mandatory execution part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering how long it will be until all aspects of war are virtualized, and the rest of us can then just get on with our lives.
Sort of like "A Taste for Armageddon," but leave out the mandatory execution part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31227574</id>
	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>captainpanic</author>
	<datestamp>1266839460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>yes, I am a UAV pilot. No, you're dead wrong. All of you motherfuckers have no clue. Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles.  And no, I do it because I don't want my two little girls to be property. That is the cost of loosing.</p></div><p>You sound full of hate. You make no sense. And you make spelling mistakes.</p><p>If you are really one of those pilots that fly those RC airplanes that can deliver death at the other side of the globe, then I am getting very worried...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , I am a UAV pilot .
No , you 're dead wrong .
All of you motherfuckers have no clue .
Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles .
And no , I do it because I do n't want my two little girls to be property .
That is the cost of loosing.You sound full of hate .
You make no sense .
And you make spelling mistakes.If you are really one of those pilots that fly those RC airplanes that can deliver death at the other side of the globe , then I am getting very worried.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, I am a UAV pilot.
No, you're dead wrong.
All of you motherfuckers have no clue.
Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles.
And no, I do it because I don't want my two little girls to be property.
That is the cost of loosing.You sound full of hate.
You make no sense.
And you make spelling mistakes.If you are really one of those pilots that fly those RC airplanes that can deliver death at the other side of the globe, then I am getting very worried...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222538</id>
	<title>Soccer game?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266750720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's <b>FOOTBALL</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's FOOTBALL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's FOOTBALL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31238284</id>
	<title>Re:YouKILL.com!</title>
	<author>barv</author>
	<datestamp>1266842700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets go a bit further...</p><p>In the UK (let us suppose) they feed the CCTV into combined facial/bodily/movement recognition software.  On recognition, they match each body on CCTV to the UK database of everybody and where they are.  That database has crosslinks to the latest census, so family, religious and cultural cross links are made.  The CCTV also observes who each person talks to, and creates lists of "known associates" and then identifies each person a "suspect risk" number.</p><p>You get the picture.  No more terrorists, except maybe Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat.</p><p>Now put that same software into spy drones.  Takes longer to build up the database, but those images can be kept for decades.</p><p>Except maybe there are not many governments that I trust with that much power.  Perhaps the answer is totally open government.  No more secrets at all.  Not even for MI5, or CIA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets go a bit further...In the UK ( let us suppose ) they feed the CCTV into combined facial/bodily/movement recognition software .
On recognition , they match each body on CCTV to the UK database of everybody and where they are .
That database has crosslinks to the latest census , so family , religious and cultural cross links are made .
The CCTV also observes who each person talks to , and creates lists of " known associates " and then identifies each person a " suspect risk " number.You get the picture .
No more terrorists , except maybe Harry Harrison 's Stainless Steel Rat.Now put that same software into spy drones .
Takes longer to build up the database , but those images can be kept for decades.Except maybe there are not many governments that I trust with that much power .
Perhaps the answer is totally open government .
No more secrets at all .
Not even for MI5 , or CIA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets go a bit further...In the UK (let us suppose) they feed the CCTV into combined facial/bodily/movement recognition software.
On recognition, they match each body on CCTV to the UK database of everybody and where they are.
That database has crosslinks to the latest census, so family, religious and cultural cross links are made.
The CCTV also observes who each person talks to, and creates lists of "known associates" and then identifies each person a "suspect risk" number.You get the picture.
No more terrorists, except maybe Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat.Now put that same software into spy drones.
Takes longer to build up the database, but those images can be kept for decades.Except maybe there are not many governments that I trust with that much power.
Perhaps the answer is totally open government.
No more secrets at all.
Not even for MI5, or CIA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224494</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1266763380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suggest you read "On Killing" and "On Combat" by Dave Grossman. Distance from killing definitely makes killing less traumatic, and much more palatable or sometimes even desirable. These days, infantry training is designed to densensitise you enough that even pulling the trigger and seeing a man drop from your shots is not as traumatic as it once was.</p><p>And now you have killing from the comfort of a computer screen, from halfway around the world. This is no coincidence or accident -- the military wants it this way. This is ideal. Those pilots sleep soundly at night, they do not have tortured souls or consciences (and I would not necessarily suggest that they should, either).</p><p>I think these developments are deeply troubling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest you read " On Killing " and " On Combat " by Dave Grossman .
Distance from killing definitely makes killing less traumatic , and much more palatable or sometimes even desirable .
These days , infantry training is designed to densensitise you enough that even pulling the trigger and seeing a man drop from your shots is not as traumatic as it once was.And now you have killing from the comfort of a computer screen , from halfway around the world .
This is no coincidence or accident -- the military wants it this way .
This is ideal .
Those pilots sleep soundly at night , they do not have tortured souls or consciences ( and I would not necessarily suggest that they should , either ) .I think these developments are deeply troubling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest you read "On Killing" and "On Combat" by Dave Grossman.
Distance from killing definitely makes killing less traumatic, and much more palatable or sometimes even desirable.
These days, infantry training is designed to densensitise you enough that even pulling the trigger and seeing a man drop from your shots is not as traumatic as it once was.And now you have killing from the comfort of a computer screen, from halfway around the world.
This is no coincidence or accident -- the military wants it this way.
This is ideal.
Those pilots sleep soundly at night, they do not have tortured souls or consciences (and I would not necessarily suggest that they should, either).I think these developments are deeply troubling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31226056</id>
	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1266775320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All of you motherfuckers have no clue. Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles.</p></div><p>So you've done both, then?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And no, I do it because I don't want my two little girls to be property. That is the cost of loosing.</p></div><p>First off, it's "losing". And secondly, if you really believe that's the "cost of losing" you're a moron of the highest order.</p><p>How many motherfuckers are there in the US army who still can't grasp the fact that *they* are the invading power in this war? you're there, you can answer me can't you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of you motherfuckers have no clue .
Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles.So you 've done both , then ? And no , I do it because I do n't want my two little girls to be property .
That is the cost of loosing.First off , it 's " losing " .
And secondly , if you really believe that 's the " cost of losing " you 're a moron of the highest order.How many motherfuckers are there in the US army who still ca n't grasp the fact that * they * are the invading power in this war ?
you 're there , you can answer me ca n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of you motherfuckers have no clue.
Hunting people is not very different at 20 yds then at 2000 miles.So you've done both, then?And no, I do it because I don't want my two little girls to be property.
That is the cost of loosing.First off, it's "losing".
And secondly, if you really believe that's the "cost of losing" you're a moron of the highest order.How many motherfuckers are there in the US army who still can't grasp the fact that *they* are the invading power in this war?
you're there, you can answer me can't you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224912</id>
	<title>who cars about war and killing people....</title>
	<author>scrout</author>
	<datestamp>1266766860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is slashdot.
What is the latency?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is slashdot .
What is the latency ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is slashdot.
What is the latency?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31225288</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1266769140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they (that is, all leaders and followers) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs."</p><p>That's not supported by history!</p><p>Plenty of people have the guts to get up close and personal, and if we go back to the time where almost all war was close combat, we have countless stories of leaders who fought at the front. Their success is the reason they were leaders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they ( that is , all leaders and followers ) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs .
" That 's not supported by history ! Plenty of people have the guts to get up close and personal , and if we go back to the time where almost all war was close combat , we have countless stories of leaders who fought at the front .
Their success is the reason they were leaders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they (that is, all leaders and followers) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs.
"That's not supported by history!Plenty of people have the guts to get up close and personal, and if we go back to the time where almost all war was close combat, we have countless stories of leaders who fought at the front.
Their success is the reason they were leaders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31254328</id>
	<title>Obligatory "Metal Gear Solid" series reference...</title>
	<author>Money for Nothin'</author>
	<datestamp>1266937740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"War as a video game; what better way to raise the ultimate soldier?" - Solid Snake</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" War as a video game ; what better way to raise the ultimate soldier ?
" - Solid Snake</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"War as a video game; what better way to raise the ultimate soldier?
" - Solid Snake</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222266</id>
	<title>Where's Lt. General Zevo when you need him?</title>
	<author>Teunis</author>
	<datestamp>1266749340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds like his pet project, brought to life!   Wonder how many points each target is....<br>
<br>
<a href="url:httpwwwimdbcomtitlett0105629" title="url" rel="nofollow">If you cannot bring us comfort then at least you'll bring us joy....</a> [url]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like his pet project , brought to life !
Wonder how many points each target is... . If you can not bring us comfort then at least you 'll bring us joy.... [ url ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like his pet project, brought to life!
Wonder how many points each target is....

If you cannot bring us comfort then at least you'll bring us joy.... [url]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222238</id>
	<title>Dupe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this the same story as: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1638229/Behind-the-Scenes-With-Americas-Drone-Pilots?art\_pos=1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this the same story as : http : //hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1638229/Behind-the-Scenes-With-Americas-Drone-Pilots ? art \ _pos = 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this the same story as: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/1638229/Behind-the-Scenes-With-Americas-Drone-Pilots?art\_pos=1</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31225306</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266769320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only do people not *want* to talk their families about the incidents, they *should not*. Being in jobs where one gets to experience/witness/participate in unpleasant things is one thing, but taking that experience back and spreading it around those they care about in an out of context setting? Bad idea. Even talking to a councilor can be risky (for the councilor) if they are exposed to the unpleasant things for to long.</p><p>These things are best kept in-house. If one can't talk to the people who were there with them, then the only other option is the specially trained and hand picked councilors selected by the organisation (who are on rotation so they minimise their own exposure to PTS). Yes there are forums. No, they are not a substitute.</p><p>Some find talking about the unhappy things is not useful anyway, better off just being with your mates who were with you, not talking about it, having a beer. People who have been to the dark places already know these things, but hopefully this gives a little understanding for those who haven't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only do people not * want * to talk their families about the incidents , they * should not * .
Being in jobs where one gets to experience/witness/participate in unpleasant things is one thing , but taking that experience back and spreading it around those they care about in an out of context setting ?
Bad idea .
Even talking to a councilor can be risky ( for the councilor ) if they are exposed to the unpleasant things for to long.These things are best kept in-house .
If one ca n't talk to the people who were there with them , then the only other option is the specially trained and hand picked councilors selected by the organisation ( who are on rotation so they minimise their own exposure to PTS ) .
Yes there are forums .
No , they are not a substitute.Some find talking about the unhappy things is not useful anyway , better off just being with your mates who were with you , not talking about it , having a beer .
People who have been to the dark places already know these things , but hopefully this gives a little understanding for those who have n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only do people not *want* to talk their families about the incidents, they *should not*.
Being in jobs where one gets to experience/witness/participate in unpleasant things is one thing, but taking that experience back and spreading it around those they care about in an out of context setting?
Bad idea.
Even talking to a councilor can be risky (for the councilor) if they are exposed to the unpleasant things for to long.These things are best kept in-house.
If one can't talk to the people who were there with them, then the only other option is the specially trained and hand picked councilors selected by the organisation (who are on rotation so they minimise their own exposure to PTS).
Yes there are forums.
No, they are not a substitute.Some find talking about the unhappy things is not useful anyway, better off just being with your mates who were with you, not talking about it, having a beer.
People who have been to the dark places already know these things, but hopefully this gives a little understanding for those who haven't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31230782</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>huckamania</author>
	<datestamp>1266861360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You and your ilk should really read some history books.   The history of the human race is filled with literally rivers of blood and mountains of skulls.   Having to fight face to face with a foe has never stopped a war from happening, ever.   Even today, beyond the ivory towers you inhabit are people willing to strip the skin from your body to make a trophy for their trophy room.</p><p>Peer review does not trump reality, my friend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You and your ilk should really read some history books .
The history of the human race is filled with literally rivers of blood and mountains of skulls .
Having to fight face to face with a foe has never stopped a war from happening , ever .
Even today , beyond the ivory towers you inhabit are people willing to strip the skin from your body to make a trophy for their trophy room.Peer review does not trump reality , my friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You and your ilk should really read some history books.
The history of the human race is filled with literally rivers of blood and mountains of skulls.
Having to fight face to face with a foe has never stopped a war from happening, ever.
Even today, beyond the ivory towers you inhabit are people willing to strip the skin from your body to make a trophy for their trophy room.Peer review does not trump reality, my friend.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223646</id>
	<title>Re:The Playstation at War</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266757620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Totally off-topic: actually it could be fun having a cross-platform console-wars game. Your allegiance is determined by your console-model, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally off-topic : actually it could be fun having a cross-platform console-wars game .
Your allegiance is determined by your console-model , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally off-topic: actually it could be fun having a cross-platform console-wars game.
Your allegiance is determined by your console-model, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31230196</id>
	<title>Re:YouKILL.com!</title>
	<author>ibmjones</author>
	<datestamp>1266859200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The sad part is I don't know whether to mod it "Funny" or "Insightful".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The sad part is I do n't know whether to mod it " Funny " or " Insightful " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sad part is I don't know whether to mod it "Funny" or "Insightful".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31226460</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31226460</id>
	<title>YouKILL.com!</title>
	<author>wisebabo</author>
	<datestamp>1266779820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Announcing a new on-line game for all of you armchair warriors: YouKILL.com!  With the U.S. Airforce now introducing new Predator drones with 10 cameras each and more and more battlefield "robots" (like BigDog) everyday, there is far too much sensory data for our overtaxed professional soldiers to process.  So, now we allow YOU the average citizen to partake in this wonderful way to defend democracy and earn gaming points at the same time!</p><p>First stage SCOUT - after showing that you are a U.S. Citizen and 16 years of age (wink, wink), you (and 10 randomly selected other fellow citizen scouts) are assigned a real-time video feed STRAIGHT FROM THE SKIES OVER IRAN / I mean AFGHANISTAN.  If a majority of you click on the button "Suspected Bad Guy" at the same time, the video feed is instantly passed on to the next level, TARGETING.  When you've proven to our computers that you're a good scout by having a excellent record of detection and (as compared with your other teammates) a "low" number of false positives you'll be promoted!  (Sorry, hot babes don't count!)</p><p>Second stage TARGETING - Can you take out an insurgent at 3km without harming the orphanage next door?  Here again, you (and 10 newly selected random fellow citizen targeters) will wait for "the perfect moment" to pick off the bad guys.  In this level, you'll need to consider range, airspeed, armanent, cover and, of course, COLLATERAL DAMAGE.  When a majority of you and your teammates think the time has come to fire your feed will be instantly passed to the final stage: FIRING.  If you, as measured by the our computers, are consistently picking the best time to shoot compared to your colleagues, we'll promote you to...</p><p>Final stege FIRING - Here's where the fun REALLY begins!  Now, you'll be able to take out bad guys FOR REAL!  Feel the excitement as you unleash high speed rockets tipped with explosives at the enemy!  Not only will you get to keep your online footage of each kill but you'll receive a commemorative coffee mug!  (Just don't get too trigger happy otherwise you might get a visit from some of our military lawyers.)</p><p>Not a U.S. Citizen?  No problem, we have a bunch of other suppression activities... I mean games available.  If you're British you can play YouCOP which takes advantage of England being the video surveillance capital of the world.  Here you (and 10 other "Brits") watch for illegal activity and report it!  For now, no weaponry involved.  But don't worry about it!</p><p>Not a U.S., or British citizen?  Care to remain anonymous?  Through special arrangement with some other governments we also have a new gaming site: YouREPRESS!  Here you can target Tibetans, punish the Palestinians or any other group that our clients want to suppress.  All we need is your eyeballs and a good twitch reflex!  Remember, points you earn in our games will be tradable for virtual items and maybe even induction into the armed forces of your choice!</p><p>NeoOCP - crowdsourcing for the benefits of Big Governments worldwide!  (Not a big government but a big corporation instead?  Don't worry, we'll be announcing new crowdsourced spy products for you too!  Like our new YouDRM; we'll make it profitable for people to snitch!).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Announcing a new on-line game for all of you armchair warriors : YouKILL.com !
With the U.S. Airforce now introducing new Predator drones with 10 cameras each and more and more battlefield " robots " ( like BigDog ) everyday , there is far too much sensory data for our overtaxed professional soldiers to process .
So , now we allow YOU the average citizen to partake in this wonderful way to defend democracy and earn gaming points at the same time ! First stage SCOUT - after showing that you are a U.S. Citizen and 16 years of age ( wink , wink ) , you ( and 10 randomly selected other fellow citizen scouts ) are assigned a real-time video feed STRAIGHT FROM THE SKIES OVER IRAN / I mean AFGHANISTAN .
If a majority of you click on the button " Suspected Bad Guy " at the same time , the video feed is instantly passed on to the next level , TARGETING .
When you 've proven to our computers that you 're a good scout by having a excellent record of detection and ( as compared with your other teammates ) a " low " number of false positives you 'll be promoted !
( Sorry , hot babes do n't count !
) Second stage TARGETING - Can you take out an insurgent at 3km without harming the orphanage next door ?
Here again , you ( and 10 newly selected random fellow citizen targeters ) will wait for " the perfect moment " to pick off the bad guys .
In this level , you 'll need to consider range , airspeed , armanent , cover and , of course , COLLATERAL DAMAGE .
When a majority of you and your teammates think the time has come to fire your feed will be instantly passed to the final stage : FIRING .
If you , as measured by the our computers , are consistently picking the best time to shoot compared to your colleagues , we 'll promote you to...Final stege FIRING - Here 's where the fun REALLY begins !
Now , you 'll be able to take out bad guys FOR REAL !
Feel the excitement as you unleash high speed rockets tipped with explosives at the enemy !
Not only will you get to keep your online footage of each kill but you 'll receive a commemorative coffee mug !
( Just do n't get too trigger happy otherwise you might get a visit from some of our military lawyers .
) Not a U.S. Citizen ? No problem , we have a bunch of other suppression activities... I mean games available .
If you 're British you can play YouCOP which takes advantage of England being the video surveillance capital of the world .
Here you ( and 10 other " Brits " ) watch for illegal activity and report it !
For now , no weaponry involved .
But do n't worry about it ! Not a U.S. , or British citizen ?
Care to remain anonymous ?
Through special arrangement with some other governments we also have a new gaming site : YouREPRESS !
Here you can target Tibetans , punish the Palestinians or any other group that our clients want to suppress .
All we need is your eyeballs and a good twitch reflex !
Remember , points you earn in our games will be tradable for virtual items and maybe even induction into the armed forces of your choice ! NeoOCP - crowdsourcing for the benefits of Big Governments worldwide !
( Not a big government but a big corporation instead ?
Do n't worry , we 'll be announcing new crowdsourced spy products for you too !
Like our new YouDRM ; we 'll make it profitable for people to snitch !
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Announcing a new on-line game for all of you armchair warriors: YouKILL.com!
With the U.S. Airforce now introducing new Predator drones with 10 cameras each and more and more battlefield "robots" (like BigDog) everyday, there is far too much sensory data for our overtaxed professional soldiers to process.
So, now we allow YOU the average citizen to partake in this wonderful way to defend democracy and earn gaming points at the same time!First stage SCOUT - after showing that you are a U.S. Citizen and 16 years of age (wink, wink), you (and 10 randomly selected other fellow citizen scouts) are assigned a real-time video feed STRAIGHT FROM THE SKIES OVER IRAN / I mean AFGHANISTAN.
If a majority of you click on the button "Suspected Bad Guy" at the same time, the video feed is instantly passed on to the next level, TARGETING.
When you've proven to our computers that you're a good scout by having a excellent record of detection and (as compared with your other teammates) a "low" number of false positives you'll be promoted!
(Sorry, hot babes don't count!
)Second stage TARGETING - Can you take out an insurgent at 3km without harming the orphanage next door?
Here again, you (and 10 newly selected random fellow citizen targeters) will wait for "the perfect moment" to pick off the bad guys.
In this level, you'll need to consider range, airspeed, armanent, cover and, of course, COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
When a majority of you and your teammates think the time has come to fire your feed will be instantly passed to the final stage: FIRING.
If you, as measured by the our computers, are consistently picking the best time to shoot compared to your colleagues, we'll promote you to...Final stege FIRING - Here's where the fun REALLY begins!
Now, you'll be able to take out bad guys FOR REAL!
Feel the excitement as you unleash high speed rockets tipped with explosives at the enemy!
Not only will you get to keep your online footage of each kill but you'll receive a commemorative coffee mug!
(Just don't get too trigger happy otherwise you might get a visit from some of our military lawyers.
)Not a U.S. Citizen?  No problem, we have a bunch of other suppression activities... I mean games available.
If you're British you can play YouCOP which takes advantage of England being the video surveillance capital of the world.
Here you (and 10 other "Brits") watch for illegal activity and report it!
For now, no weaponry involved.
But don't worry about it!Not a U.S., or British citizen?
Care to remain anonymous?
Through special arrangement with some other governments we also have a new gaming site: YouREPRESS!
Here you can target Tibetans, punish the Palestinians or any other group that our clients want to suppress.
All we need is your eyeballs and a good twitch reflex!
Remember, points you earn in our games will be tradable for virtual items and maybe even induction into the armed forces of your choice!NeoOCP - crowdsourcing for the benefits of Big Governments worldwide!
(Not a big government but a big corporation instead?
Don't worry, we'll be announcing new crowdsourced spy products for you too!
Like our new YouDRM; we'll make it profitable for people to snitch!
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222192</id>
	<title>Toys</title>
	<author>Ivan Stepaniuk</author>
	<datestamp>1266748920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remembers me of the movie <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105629/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">Toys (1992)</a> [imdb.com], A military general inherits a toy making company and begins making war toys, and recruiting kids to "play" a war simulation game that was in fact a remote control of the real thing. It took less than ten years to make it happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remembers me of the movie Toys ( 1992 ) [ imdb.com ] , A military general inherits a toy making company and begins making war toys , and recruiting kids to " play " a war simulation game that was in fact a remote control of the real thing .
It took less than ten years to make it happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remembers me of the movie Toys (1992) [imdb.com], A military general inherits a toy making company and begins making war toys, and recruiting kids to "play" a war simulation game that was in fact a remote control of the real thing.
It took less than ten years to make it happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223056</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266753780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see the problem with killing people. I would have no emotional response other than joy to kill someone that was wanting to kill/harm me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see the problem with killing people .
I would have no emotional response other than joy to kill someone that was wanting to kill/harm me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see the problem with killing people.
I would have no emotional response other than joy to kill someone that was wanting to kill/harm me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222588</id>
	<title>count on more "terrorism"</title>
	<author>thenextstevejobs</author>
	<datestamp>1266750960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
not looking forward to the further freedoms I'll lose as an american when the agents of these militias start killing these pilots, and probably some others in the attempt to, on US soil.
</p><p>
im confident the overzealous US government will use this as an excuse to 'protect me' by further tracking my identity and tabs on my life.
</p><p>
point is: keep these pilots who are killing people the fuck away from urban american areas, or we're all going to be targets. and in case you say 'we already are', i don't see any reason to make it worse.
</p><p>
damn mythical 'war' is getting to negatively impact my life more and more, and i'll happily vote for, pay money to, or pledge allegiance to whatever i can to not be involved with the warmongering that this country has been engaged in. pretty confident our behavior in iraq and afghanistan has not generally enhanced the safety for much of anybody, compared to the consequences...
</p><p>
overall, this is a step in the wrong direction.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not looking forward to the further freedoms I 'll lose as an american when the agents of these militias start killing these pilots , and probably some others in the attempt to , on US soil .
im confident the overzealous US government will use this as an excuse to 'protect me ' by further tracking my identity and tabs on my life .
point is : keep these pilots who are killing people the fuck away from urban american areas , or we 're all going to be targets .
and in case you say 'we already are ' , i do n't see any reason to make it worse .
damn mythical 'war ' is getting to negatively impact my life more and more , and i 'll happily vote for , pay money to , or pledge allegiance to whatever i can to not be involved with the warmongering that this country has been engaged in .
pretty confident our behavior in iraq and afghanistan has not generally enhanced the safety for much of anybody , compared to the consequences.. . overall , this is a step in the wrong direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
not looking forward to the further freedoms I'll lose as an american when the agents of these militias start killing these pilots, and probably some others in the attempt to, on US soil.
im confident the overzealous US government will use this as an excuse to 'protect me' by further tracking my identity and tabs on my life.
point is: keep these pilots who are killing people the fuck away from urban american areas, or we're all going to be targets.
and in case you say 'we already are', i don't see any reason to make it worse.
damn mythical 'war' is getting to negatively impact my life more and more, and i'll happily vote for, pay money to, or pledge allegiance to whatever i can to not be involved with the warmongering that this country has been engaged in.
pretty confident our behavior in iraq and afghanistan has not generally enhanced the safety for much of anybody, compared to the consequences...

overall, this is a step in the wrong direction.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31235516</id>
	<title>Re:Latency?</title>
	<author>CityZen</author>
	<datestamp>1266832500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking about this too.  Normally, on the news, you see a second or so of latency when a US anchor talks to a reporter on the other side of the world,but this is due to the signal being bounced off of geostationary satellites a couple of times.  The satellites are ~22K miles away, so if you assume the signal must bounce off 2 satellites, then that's 8 hops * 22K mi / speed of light = nearly 1 second of latency for a round trip.</p><p>If, instead of using satellites, we assume that there's some kind of ground link between Las Vegas and Afghanistan, then the distance is somewhere between 8K miles (straight arc), and, I don't know, double that.  Then the round-trip latency could be as low as 85 - 170 msec.  Of course, it's likely that at least one satellite bounce is involved, but it could conceivably be a low-earth-orbit one instead of a geostationary one.  The real latency figure is probably somewhere between the two cases I outlined.</p><p>So yes, in summary, putting the pilot so far away does seem to introduce some unavoidable latency.  I suppose for certain types of missions, its tolerable.  It's not like the drones are doing dogfights.  It'd be interesting to get more details, but, I imagine, a lot may be classified.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking about this too .
Normally , on the news , you see a second or so of latency when a US anchor talks to a reporter on the other side of the world,but this is due to the signal being bounced off of geostationary satellites a couple of times .
The satellites are ~ 22K miles away , so if you assume the signal must bounce off 2 satellites , then that 's 8 hops * 22K mi / speed of light = nearly 1 second of latency for a round trip.If , instead of using satellites , we assume that there 's some kind of ground link between Las Vegas and Afghanistan , then the distance is somewhere between 8K miles ( straight arc ) , and , I do n't know , double that .
Then the round-trip latency could be as low as 85 - 170 msec .
Of course , it 's likely that at least one satellite bounce is involved , but it could conceivably be a low-earth-orbit one instead of a geostationary one .
The real latency figure is probably somewhere between the two cases I outlined.So yes , in summary , putting the pilot so far away does seem to introduce some unavoidable latency .
I suppose for certain types of missions , its tolerable .
It 's not like the drones are doing dogfights .
It 'd be interesting to get more details , but , I imagine , a lot may be classified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking about this too.
Normally, on the news, you see a second or so of latency when a US anchor talks to a reporter on the other side of the world,but this is due to the signal being bounced off of geostationary satellites a couple of times.
The satellites are ~22K miles away, so if you assume the signal must bounce off 2 satellites, then that's 8 hops * 22K mi / speed of light = nearly 1 second of latency for a round trip.If, instead of using satellites, we assume that there's some kind of ground link between Las Vegas and Afghanistan, then the distance is somewhere between 8K miles (straight arc), and, I don't know, double that.
Then the round-trip latency could be as low as 85 - 170 msec.
Of course, it's likely that at least one satellite bounce is involved, but it could conceivably be a low-earth-orbit one instead of a geostationary one.
The real latency figure is probably somewhere between the two cases I outlined.So yes, in summary, putting the pilot so far away does seem to introduce some unavoidable latency.
I suppose for certain types of missions, its tolerable.
It's not like the drones are doing dogfights.
It'd be interesting to get more details, but, I imagine, a lot may be classified.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31225526</id>
	<title>Almost rip of Sept 2009 Popular Science</title>
	<author>Anti Cheat</author>
	<datestamp>1266771000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow this article is coincidentally so close to the September 2009 Popular Science story titled The Future of Remote-Control Warfare. Pg;36

Change the name to Captain Adam Brockshus, drive 45 minutes instead of 40 and these guys should carpool unless they are on different shifts. I guess there isn't much new to tell  that hasn't already been written before so it really boils down to as long as it is a different Captain acting as tour guide then it isn't the same story. These remote control pilots must get the same briefing notes on what to say and not say when being interviewed by some hack. Is there really any point of sending out different reporters? It really is a waste of money but what else is there ti do on slow news days. I was at first almost convinced that this Los Angeles Times story was a reprint, or mostly plagiarized. Then I realized this is the military, of course anything printed would have the same look and feel..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow this article is coincidentally so close to the September 2009 Popular Science story titled The Future of Remote-Control Warfare .
Pg ; 36 Change the name to Captain Adam Brockshus , drive 45 minutes instead of 40 and these guys should carpool unless they are on different shifts .
I guess there is n't much new to tell that has n't already been written before so it really boils down to as long as it is a different Captain acting as tour guide then it is n't the same story .
These remote control pilots must get the same briefing notes on what to say and not say when being interviewed by some hack .
Is there really any point of sending out different reporters ?
It really is a waste of money but what else is there ti do on slow news days .
I was at first almost convinced that this Los Angeles Times story was a reprint , or mostly plagiarized .
Then I realized this is the military , of course anything printed would have the same look and feel. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow this article is coincidentally so close to the September 2009 Popular Science story titled The Future of Remote-Control Warfare.
Pg;36

Change the name to Captain Adam Brockshus, drive 45 minutes instead of 40 and these guys should carpool unless they are on different shifts.
I guess there isn't much new to tell  that hasn't already been written before so it really boils down to as long as it is a different Captain acting as tour guide then it isn't the same story.
These remote control pilots must get the same briefing notes on what to say and not say when being interviewed by some hack.
Is there really any point of sending out different reporters?
It really is a waste of money but what else is there ti do on slow news days.
I was at first almost convinced that this Los Angeles Times story was a reprint, or mostly plagiarized.
Then I realized this is the military, of course anything printed would have the same look and feel..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222690</id>
	<title>Re:So you wanna join the Air Force and Fly?</title>
	<author>YrWrstNtmr</author>
	<datestamp>1266751560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I'm surprised the Navy hasn't picked up on this more.</i> <br> <br> <a href="http://defensetech.org/2003/03/24/navy-unveils-new-drone/" title="defensetech.org">They have.</a> [defensetech.org] And even with <a href="http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/future-tech/us-navy-s-fuel-cell-drone-takes-to-the-air-623719" title="techradar.com">fuel cells</a> [techradar.com]. And <a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air\_space/4213071.html" title="popularmechanics.com">helicopters</a> [popularmechanics.com], too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised the Navy has n't picked up on this more .
They have .
[ defensetech.org ] And even with fuel cells [ techradar.com ] .
And helicopters [ popularmechanics.com ] , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised the Navy hasn't picked up on this more.
They have.
[defensetech.org] And even with fuel cells [techradar.com].
And helicopters [popularmechanics.com], too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222568</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1266750900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If there's one thing that's lacking in the modern world, finding people to talk to isn't one of them.</p></div><p>And yet we sit in our homes watching TV that tells us the world is a big and scary place, and how many of us can truly say we know our neighbors? How many of us start conversations on the bus, or in the grocery line? Not many, and you know why? Because we're afraid they'll think we're a freak. Nobody talks to one another. Except online, where it's all nice and safe, where even if the guy has a gun and is crazy, the worst he can do is type in all caps.</p><p>Give me a break. Besides, how many guys do you know that are comfortable crying and saying "God, that was a hard thing to do." That ain't happening, not in today's society. They're too afraid they'll be thought of as gay, or weak, or less of a man for admitting that they had doubts about what they just did.</p><p>And then you know what? Then they come home to their wives, and daughters, and their friends... And they all expect him to be just like he was before he left. And he isn't. And often times those relationships shatter as a result, because he still can't say what happened. He wants to be the way he was before. But he won't be. Nobody could be. Once you've been touched by violence, it's with you for life.</p><p>And no... There aren't many people you can talk to about that, if you can even summon the courage to find your voice to begin with. Society doesn't want to hear it -- we don't want to look weak in front of our enemies, let alone our friends and family.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If there 's one thing that 's lacking in the modern world , finding people to talk to is n't one of them.And yet we sit in our homes watching TV that tells us the world is a big and scary place , and how many of us can truly say we know our neighbors ?
How many of us start conversations on the bus , or in the grocery line ?
Not many , and you know why ?
Because we 're afraid they 'll think we 're a freak .
Nobody talks to one another .
Except online , where it 's all nice and safe , where even if the guy has a gun and is crazy , the worst he can do is type in all caps.Give me a break .
Besides , how many guys do you know that are comfortable crying and saying " God , that was a hard thing to do .
" That ai n't happening , not in today 's society .
They 're too afraid they 'll be thought of as gay , or weak , or less of a man for admitting that they had doubts about what they just did.And then you know what ?
Then they come home to their wives , and daughters , and their friends... And they all expect him to be just like he was before he left .
And he is n't .
And often times those relationships shatter as a result , because he still ca n't say what happened .
He wants to be the way he was before .
But he wo n't be .
Nobody could be .
Once you 've been touched by violence , it 's with you for life.And no... There are n't many people you can talk to about that , if you can even summon the courage to find your voice to begin with .
Society does n't want to hear it -- we do n't want to look weak in front of our enemies , let alone our friends and family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there's one thing that's lacking in the modern world, finding people to talk to isn't one of them.And yet we sit in our homes watching TV that tells us the world is a big and scary place, and how many of us can truly say we know our neighbors?
How many of us start conversations on the bus, or in the grocery line?
Not many, and you know why?
Because we're afraid they'll think we're a freak.
Nobody talks to one another.
Except online, where it's all nice and safe, where even if the guy has a gun and is crazy, the worst he can do is type in all caps.Give me a break.
Besides, how many guys do you know that are comfortable crying and saying "God, that was a hard thing to do.
" That ain't happening, not in today's society.
They're too afraid they'll be thought of as gay, or weak, or less of a man for admitting that they had doubts about what they just did.And then you know what?
Then they come home to their wives, and daughters, and their friends... And they all expect him to be just like he was before he left.
And he isn't.
And often times those relationships shatter as a result, because he still can't say what happened.
He wants to be the way he was before.
But he won't be.
Nobody could be.
Once you've been touched by violence, it's with you for life.And no... There aren't many people you can talk to about that, if you can even summon the courage to find your voice to begin with.
Society doesn't want to hear it -- we don't want to look weak in front of our enemies, let alone our friends and family.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222722</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>techno-vampire</author>
	<datestamp>1266751740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>There is no better prevention than to have your own life on the edge. Yes, I do know there are people willing to do anything regardless the consequence, but I think there would be a net benefit for all if you had to kill face-on.</i> <p>
Tell it to the Greeks at Troy, Salamis or Thermopylae.  Or, if you prefer, the Romans at Cannai or Actium.  The Crusaders under Richard I might also have something to say in response.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no better prevention than to have your own life on the edge .
Yes , I do know there are people willing to do anything regardless the consequence , but I think there would be a net benefit for all if you had to kill face-on .
Tell it to the Greeks at Troy , Salamis or Thermopylae .
Or , if you prefer , the Romans at Cannai or Actium .
The Crusaders under Richard I might also have something to say in response .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no better prevention than to have your own life on the edge.
Yes, I do know there are people willing to do anything regardless the consequence, but I think there would be a net benefit for all if you had to kill face-on.
Tell it to the Greeks at Troy, Salamis or Thermopylae.
Or, if you prefer, the Romans at Cannai or Actium.
The Crusaders under Richard I might also have something to say in response.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224958</id>
	<title>Ender's End Game</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1266767280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this seem oddly similar to Ender's Game to anyone else?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this seem oddly similar to Ender 's Game to anyone else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this seem oddly similar to Ender's Game to anyone else?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224312</id>
	<title>A most cool use of technology</title>
	<author>ivoras</author>
	<datestamp>1266762240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is really cool to read about - looks like an extremely interesting project from engineering POV. How they deal with latency alone must be damn impressive. I guess the drones must have some sort of autonomy and the pilot basically says "go west, kill spider" or something to the tone. Probably an AI-like engine similar to those in RTS games - point and click but the low-level details (like actual flying!) are handled locally. So cool...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is really cool to read about - looks like an extremely interesting project from engineering POV .
How they deal with latency alone must be damn impressive .
I guess the drones must have some sort of autonomy and the pilot basically says " go west , kill spider " or something to the tone .
Probably an AI-like engine similar to those in RTS games - point and click but the low-level details ( like actual flying !
) are handled locally .
So cool.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is really cool to read about - looks like an extremely interesting project from engineering POV.
How they deal with latency alone must be damn impressive.
I guess the drones must have some sort of autonomy and the pilot basically says "go west, kill spider" or something to the tone.
Probably an AI-like engine similar to those in RTS games - point and click but the low-level details (like actual flying!
) are handled locally.
So cool...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223216</id>
	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266754740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's not just assume that these pilots are so "completely detached from the inhumanity of it all".  There's a psychological cost to be paid, even if they aren't there in the flesh.  I dunno, check out something like <a href="http://www.military.com/news/article/two-worlds-of-a-drone-pilot.html?col=1186032310810&amp;wh=wh/" title="military.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.military.com/news/article/two-worlds-of-a-drone-pilot.html?col=1186032310810&amp;wh=wh/</a> [military.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's not just assume that these pilots are so " completely detached from the inhumanity of it all " .
There 's a psychological cost to be paid , even if they are n't there in the flesh .
I dunno , check out something like http : //www.military.com/news/article/two-worlds-of-a-drone-pilot.html ? col = 1186032310810&amp;wh = wh/ [ military.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's not just assume that these pilots are so "completely detached from the inhumanity of it all".
There's a psychological cost to be paid, even if they aren't there in the flesh.
I dunno, check out something like http://www.military.com/news/article/two-worlds-of-a-drone-pilot.html?col=1186032310810&amp;wh=wh/ [military.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31226242</id>
	<title>Their target audience?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266777240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>12-year-olds screaming on their headsets while playing Halo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>12-year-olds screaming on their headsets while playing Halo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>12-year-olds screaming on their headsets while playing Halo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31225486</id>
	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266770640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are no options. I have never been to the places that you mention, but I have been to other dark places. Some coming back more functional than others, some feel bad because they don't feel bad enough, others don't remember it, some seek oblivion, some have split worlds: the things that happened and the world they live in now.</p><p>You cannot know how much seeing is too much until you have seen it and you cannot know what effect it will have.</p><p>None can see the dark and be untouched.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are no options .
I have never been to the places that you mention , but I have been to other dark places .
Some coming back more functional than others , some feel bad because they do n't feel bad enough , others do n't remember it , some seek oblivion , some have split worlds : the things that happened and the world they live in now.You can not know how much seeing is too much until you have seen it and you can not know what effect it will have.None can see the dark and be untouched .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are no options.
I have never been to the places that you mention, but I have been to other dark places.
Some coming back more functional than others, some feel bad because they don't feel bad enough, others don't remember it, some seek oblivion, some have split worlds: the things that happened and the world they live in now.You cannot know how much seeing is too much until you have seen it and you cannot know what effect it will have.None can see the dark and be untouched.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222100</id>
	<title>Fly-by-wireless-link for the win!</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1266748380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The risk to them: We kill them. If we ever get Bin Ladin in the sights of one of these things, it'll be well worth the investment.</p><p>The risk to us: We lose a drone. Pilot safe, and he can move on to another drone to keep going.</p><p>Sure, they can try to kill the pilot in Vegas... but that's a mainland murder and that's a whole lot easier to solve and capture them here. Furthermore, they've got to be here to do that.</p><p>So, net result is we're bringing the war to them using technology we have and they don't. Now our fighter planes don't need to have the fighter pilot on-board. They might own the ground in the war zone, but we own the air.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The risk to them : We kill them .
If we ever get Bin Ladin in the sights of one of these things , it 'll be well worth the investment.The risk to us : We lose a drone .
Pilot safe , and he can move on to another drone to keep going.Sure , they can try to kill the pilot in Vegas... but that 's a mainland murder and that 's a whole lot easier to solve and capture them here .
Furthermore , they 've got to be here to do that.So , net result is we 're bringing the war to them using technology we have and they do n't .
Now our fighter planes do n't need to have the fighter pilot on-board .
They might own the ground in the war zone , but we own the air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The risk to them: We kill them.
If we ever get Bin Ladin in the sights of one of these things, it'll be well worth the investment.The risk to us: We lose a drone.
Pilot safe, and he can move on to another drone to keep going.Sure, they can try to kill the pilot in Vegas... but that's a mainland murder and that's a whole lot easier to solve and capture them here.
Furthermore, they've got to be here to do that.So, net result is we're bringing the war to them using technology we have and they don't.
Now our fighter planes don't need to have the fighter pilot on-board.
They might own the ground in the war zone, but we own the air.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222754</id>
	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1266751980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or soldiers largely untouched, but treating their experience like it was a video they watched on digg or a video game, completely detached from the inhumanity of it all - heck, during their lunch break, they may go to Walmart to get a game that will be more exciting to play after work. Even a current fighter pilot faces death, if somewhat distanced to what his weapons do on the ground.</p></div><p>They know it wasn't a video game. They just wasted some mother's son or daughter. They might have blown up a place they thought was insurgents but it was really a school. Or some innocent's home that was comandeered. And even if we had perfect intelligence, and never made a mistake, we would still know at the end of the day we had taken a human life. Not some digital avatar that respawns 45 seconds later as an exact copy of the original. A person. Someone who had a family, friends, and a life. A life you just ended.</p><p>Sure, you can justify it. Sure, maybe it was you or him (or one of your buddies), but you still killed that person. And you gotta live with that.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Or soldiers largely untouched , but treating their experience like it was a video they watched on digg or a video game , completely detached from the inhumanity of it all - heck , during their lunch break , they may go to Walmart to get a game that will be more exciting to play after work .
Even a current fighter pilot faces death , if somewhat distanced to what his weapons do on the ground.They know it was n't a video game .
They just wasted some mother 's son or daughter .
They might have blown up a place they thought was insurgents but it was really a school .
Or some innocent 's home that was comandeered .
And even if we had perfect intelligence , and never made a mistake , we would still know at the end of the day we had taken a human life .
Not some digital avatar that respawns 45 seconds later as an exact copy of the original .
A person .
Someone who had a family , friends , and a life .
A life you just ended.Sure , you can justify it .
Sure , maybe it was you or him ( or one of your buddies ) , but you still killed that person .
And you got ta live with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or soldiers largely untouched, but treating their experience like it was a video they watched on digg or a video game, completely detached from the inhumanity of it all - heck, during their lunch break, they may go to Walmart to get a game that will be more exciting to play after work.
Even a current fighter pilot faces death, if somewhat distanced to what his weapons do on the ground.They know it wasn't a video game.
They just wasted some mother's son or daughter.
They might have blown up a place they thought was insurgents but it was really a school.
Or some innocent's home that was comandeered.
And even if we had perfect intelligence, and never made a mistake, we would still know at the end of the day we had taken a human life.
Not some digital avatar that respawns 45 seconds later as an exact copy of the original.
A person.
Someone who had a family, friends, and a life.
A life you just ended.Sure, you can justify it.
Sure, maybe it was you or him (or one of your buddies), but you still killed that person.
And you gotta live with that.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222586</id>
	<title>Horrifying Precedent</title>
	<author>niftyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1266750960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Within 10-15 years many countries will have this technology. I find that terrifying.<br> <br>
When the soldiers waging the war are half a world away at an undisclosed location at no personal risk, then the barriers to starting a war will be greatly reduced - it is much easier for politicians to justify a war to their populace when the home side's soldiers won't be getting killed.<br> <br>
It's increasingly starting to look like the 21st century will have even more wars than the 20th, and that is not something to be proud of.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Within 10-15 years many countries will have this technology .
I find that terrifying .
When the soldiers waging the war are half a world away at an undisclosed location at no personal risk , then the barriers to starting a war will be greatly reduced - it is much easier for politicians to justify a war to their populace when the home side 's soldiers wo n't be getting killed .
It 's increasingly starting to look like the 21st century will have even more wars than the 20th , and that is not something to be proud of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Within 10-15 years many countries will have this technology.
I find that terrifying.
When the soldiers waging the war are half a world away at an undisclosed location at no personal risk, then the barriers to starting a war will be greatly reduced - it is much easier for politicians to justify a war to their populace when the home side's soldiers won't be getting killed.
It's increasingly starting to look like the 21st century will have even more wars than the 20th, and that is not something to be proud of.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222216</id>
	<title>Latency?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know the drones fly slower than a normal jet but wouldn't the latency to something on the other side of the world be a problem? I'd think you'd want someone who's at least on the same continent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know the drones fly slower than a normal jet but would n't the latency to something on the other side of the world be a problem ?
I 'd think you 'd want someone who 's at least on the same continent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know the drones fly slower than a normal jet but wouldn't the latency to something on the other side of the world be a problem?
I'd think you'd want someone who's at least on the same continent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224998</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>locallyunscene</author>
	<datestamp>1266767520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The way we're using these planes is what worries me more. We're sending them into Pakistan, which we are NOT at war with and is a nuclear power, to run sortie missions.
<br> <br>
If we had to send troops into a sovereign nation were not at war at I bet there would more discussion about it. But because it's just some piece of machinery we're acting like borders don't matter now.
<br> <br>
We may be the only people with these capabilities now, but we're setting a dangerous precedent acting like no other country will have these capabilities in the future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The way we 're using these planes is what worries me more .
We 're sending them into Pakistan , which we are NOT at war with and is a nuclear power , to run sortie missions .
If we had to send troops into a sovereign nation were not at war at I bet there would more discussion about it .
But because it 's just some piece of machinery we 're acting like borders do n't matter now .
We may be the only people with these capabilities now , but we 're setting a dangerous precedent acting like no other country will have these capabilities in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way we're using these planes is what worries me more.
We're sending them into Pakistan, which we are NOT at war with and is a nuclear power, to run sortie missions.
If we had to send troops into a sovereign nation were not at war at I bet there would more discussion about it.
But because it's just some piece of machinery we're acting like borders don't matter now.
We may be the only people with these capabilities now, but we're setting a dangerous precedent acting like no other country will have these capabilities in the future.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223762</id>
	<title>Re:What's worse?</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1266758400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many soldiers on the ground call use drone assistance from surveillance to fire support. Situational awareness is the greatest advantage of drones, but the strikes make the papers.</p><p>It isn't a binary choice between engagement and disengagement except in Mom's basement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many soldiers on the ground call use drone assistance from surveillance to fire support .
Situational awareness is the greatest advantage of drones , but the strikes make the papers.It is n't a binary choice between engagement and disengagement except in Mom 's basement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many soldiers on the ground call use drone assistance from surveillance to fire support.
Situational awareness is the greatest advantage of drones, but the strikes make the papers.It isn't a binary choice between engagement and disengagement except in Mom's basement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31233022</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266867840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tito Ortiz for President!  He'll know what to do against Putin's judo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tito Ortiz for President !
He 'll know what to do against Putin 's judo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tito Ortiz for President!
He'll know what to do against Putin's judo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31226578</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266781500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I wonder what part of him is the murdering part?  Before or after the soccer game?  I bet they crack jokes while they do it.  If they want a parade for them they can have robots march down the street.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what part of him is the murdering part ?
Before or after the soccer game ?
I bet they crack jokes while they do it .
If they want a parade for them they can have robots march down the street .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what part of him is the murdering part?
Before or after the soccer game?
I bet they crack jokes while they do it.
If they want a parade for them they can have robots march down the street.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222342</id>
	<title>What's worse?</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1266749640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Soldiers that come home shell shocked, traumatized for the rest of their lives but on the other side some becoming writers or what not and sharing the horrors of war with the general public.</p><p>Or soldiers largely untouched, but treating their experience like it was a video they watched on digg or a video game, completely detached from the inhumanity of it all - heck, during their lunch break, they may go to Walmart to get a game that will be more exciting to play after work.  Even a current fighter pilot faces death, if somewhat distanced to what his weapons do on the ground.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Soldiers that come home shell shocked , traumatized for the rest of their lives but on the other side some becoming writers or what not and sharing the horrors of war with the general public.Or soldiers largely untouched , but treating their experience like it was a video they watched on digg or a video game , completely detached from the inhumanity of it all - heck , during their lunch break , they may go to Walmart to get a game that will be more exciting to play after work .
Even a current fighter pilot faces death , if somewhat distanced to what his weapons do on the ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soldiers that come home shell shocked, traumatized for the rest of their lives but on the other side some becoming writers or what not and sharing the horrors of war with the general public.Or soldiers largely untouched, but treating their experience like it was a video they watched on digg or a video game, completely detached from the inhumanity of it all - heck, during their lunch break, they may go to Walmart to get a game that will be more exciting to play after work.
Even a current fighter pilot faces death, if somewhat distanced to what his weapons do on the ground.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222534</id>
	<title>Re:People problem.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266750660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>How is this different then bombers at 25k high dropping bombs and killing? They seem to have been able to handle that mental burden through several conflicts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this different then bombers at 25k high dropping bombs and killing ?
They seem to have been able to handle that mental burden through several conflicts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this different then bombers at 25k high dropping bombs and killing?
They seem to have been able to handle that mental burden through several conflicts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223906</id>
	<title>My First thought was...</title>
	<author>mefdahl</author>
	<datestamp>1266759600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ender's Game, found that book in high school it's long been one of my favorites.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's\_Game#Plot\_summary" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's\_Game#Plot\_summary</a> [wikipedia.org]

Interesting how back in '85 sci-fi had already locked on to this emerging tech... and possible abuses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ender 's Game , found that book in high school it 's long been one of my favorites .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender 's \ _Game # Plot \ _summary [ wikipedia.org ] Interesting how back in '85 sci-fi had already locked on to this emerging tech... and possible abuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ender's Game, found that book in high school it's long been one of my favorites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's\_Game#Plot\_summary [wikipedia.org]

Interesting how back in '85 sci-fi had already locked on to this emerging tech... and possible abuses.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224180</id>
	<title>a piloted drone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266761340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that an oxymoron? I refer to http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone as in</p><p>Etymology: Middle English, from Old English drn; akin to Old High German treno drone, Greek thrnos dirge<br>Date: before 12th century<br>1 : the male of a bee (as the honeybee) that has no sting and gathers no honey<br>2 : one that lives on the labors of others : parasite<br>3 : an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control<br>4 a : drudge 1 b : drudge 2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that an oxymoron ?
I refer to http : //www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone as inEtymology : Middle English , from Old English drn ; akin to Old High German treno drone , Greek thrnos dirgeDate : before 12th century1 : the male of a bee ( as the honeybee ) that has no sting and gathers no honey2 : one that lives on the labors of others : parasite3 : an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control4 a : drudge 1 b : drudge 2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that an oxymoron?
I refer to http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone as inEtymology: Middle English, from Old English drn; akin to Old High German treno drone, Greek thrnos dirgeDate: before 12th century1 : the male of a bee (as the honeybee) that has no sting and gathers no honey2 : one that lives on the labors of others : parasite3 : an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control4 a : drudge 1 b : drudge 2</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222150</id>
	<title>Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266748800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they (that is, all leaders and followers) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs. The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face. It is highly problematic if you can kill as if it were a computer game. There is no better prevention than to have your own life on the edge. Yes, I do know there are people willing to do anything regardless the consequence, but I think there would be a net benefit for all if you had to kill face-on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they ( that is , all leaders and followers ) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs .
The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face .
It is highly problematic if you can kill as if it were a computer game .
There is no better prevention than to have your own life on the edge .
Yes , I do know there are people willing to do anything regardless the consequence , but I think there would be a net benefit for all if you had to kill face-on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they (that is, all leaders and followers) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs.
The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.
It is highly problematic if you can kill as if it were a computer game.
There is no better prevention than to have your own life on the edge.
Yes, I do know there are people willing to do anything regardless the consequence, but I think there would be a net benefit for all if you had to kill face-on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222490</id>
	<title>The Playstation at War</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266750420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There has to be a way to set up a game server for this, so the war in Afghanistan can be handled by the PS3 community.
<br> <br>
#dronepilate: Got missile lock, about to fire<br>
#badassbomber: Hold off dude, it looks like a wedding<br>
#dronepilate: I hate weddings</htmltext>
<tokenext>There has to be a way to set up a game server for this , so the war in Afghanistan can be handled by the PS3 community .
# dronepilate : Got missile lock , about to fire # badassbomber : Hold off dude , it looks like a wedding # dronepilate : I hate weddings</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There has to be a way to set up a game server for this, so the war in Afghanistan can be handled by the PS3 community.
#dronepilate: Got missile lock, about to fire
#badassbomber: Hold off dude, it looks like a wedding
#dronepilate: I hate weddings</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31224284</id>
	<title>Dodging the tough questions</title>
	<author>sharkey</author>
	<datestamp>1266762000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I can't be the only one who wants to know:  Is he missing a tooth, and why?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't be the only one who wants to know : Is he missing a tooth , and why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't be the only one who wants to know:  Is he missing a tooth, and why?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222262</id>
	<title>Good on paper, until you look into your enemy.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>God damnit, the United States and Terrorists is looking just like the Whale Wars versus Japanese Research Whalers.  Just blow them both the fuck out of my way plz.  I hate both of them.</p><p>Those that think they are free are the more enslaved. So is USA the battering-ram of Saudi Arabia to fight the other muslim nations that reject the Royal Saudi empire? Now you can expect the adversary to seek and destroy all communications lines not approved by DARPA and U.S. Army Civilian Workforce Volunteers, and the "terourists"  bomb civilian buildings to wherever these cowardly United States agents are operating from.</p><p>I guess freedom is only on paper nowdays.  If you seek to preserve your life, you will lose it.  If you go "country" to live free, the terrorists if not the United States will force you to align with some despot that you left behind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>God damnit , the United States and Terrorists is looking just like the Whale Wars versus Japanese Research Whalers .
Just blow them both the fuck out of my way plz .
I hate both of them.Those that think they are free are the more enslaved .
So is USA the battering-ram of Saudi Arabia to fight the other muslim nations that reject the Royal Saudi empire ?
Now you can expect the adversary to seek and destroy all communications lines not approved by DARPA and U.S. Army Civilian Workforce Volunteers , and the " terourists " bomb civilian buildings to wherever these cowardly United States agents are operating from.I guess freedom is only on paper nowdays .
If you seek to preserve your life , you will lose it .
If you go " country " to live free , the terrorists if not the United States will force you to align with some despot that you left behind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God damnit, the United States and Terrorists is looking just like the Whale Wars versus Japanese Research Whalers.
Just blow them both the fuck out of my way plz.
I hate both of them.Those that think they are free are the more enslaved.
So is USA the battering-ram of Saudi Arabia to fight the other muslim nations that reject the Royal Saudi empire?
Now you can expect the adversary to seek and destroy all communications lines not approved by DARPA and U.S. Army Civilian Workforce Volunteers, and the "terourists"  bomb civilian buildings to wherever these cowardly United States agents are operating from.I guess freedom is only on paper nowdays.
If you seek to preserve your life, you will lose it.
If you go "country" to live free, the terrorists if not the United States will force you to align with some despot that you left behind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222224</id>
	<title>Oh boy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266749100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder when we'll have remote controlled tanks.</p><p>Also, instead of these "Did you know that the US Army uses drones"-stories I'd be much more interested in the details on how this is made safe. How much equipment would I have to steal to take controll of a drone or the entire robotics section of the army?<br>Just out of curiosity, of course.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder when we 'll have remote controlled tanks.Also , instead of these " Did you know that the US Army uses drones " -stories I 'd be much more interested in the details on how this is made safe .
How much equipment would I have to steal to take controll of a drone or the entire robotics section of the army ? Just out of curiosity , of course .
; - &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder when we'll have remote controlled tanks.Also, instead of these "Did you know that the US Army uses drones"-stories I'd be much more interested in the details on how this is made safe.
How much equipment would I have to steal to take controll of a drone or the entire robotics section of the army?Just out of curiosity, of course.
;-&gt;</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222402</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1266749940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face. It is highly problematic if you can kill as if it were a computer game.</p></div><p>Those people know what the hell they're doing. They're killing someone. You think the people that sat in nuclear silos at the height of the cold war didn't know what that red button would do? You think they didn't break out in cold sweats at night, hoping and praying the day would never come when they'd be ask to do their last duty for their country? It's disgraceful to think these people are calloused to the fact that they are killing people just because it happens on a computer screen instead of splattered across their chest. Don't think that just because they don't see their faces when they kill them, they won't wake up screaming at night and sobbing when they think nobody can hear them, praying to God or anyone else that'll listen to make the pain stop.</p><p>Every person you kill takes away a piece of your soul, and it doesn't matter whether it was with an button pushed or a trigger pulled. And that's how it should be. Trust me, the price of war is high enough. And it's not just them that hurt for it. They have families. The "enemy" have families. And they have friends. And communities. And prayer groups. We are all connected, and this world is a whole lot smaller than you think.</p><p>No technological advancement will ever take away the fact that a life lost makes the world a little less bright.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face .
It is highly problematic if you can kill as if it were a computer game.Those people know what the hell they 're doing .
They 're killing someone .
You think the people that sat in nuclear silos at the height of the cold war did n't know what that red button would do ?
You think they did n't break out in cold sweats at night , hoping and praying the day would never come when they 'd be ask to do their last duty for their country ?
It 's disgraceful to think these people are calloused to the fact that they are killing people just because it happens on a computer screen instead of splattered across their chest .
Do n't think that just because they do n't see their faces when they kill them , they wo n't wake up screaming at night and sobbing when they think nobody can hear them , praying to God or anyone else that 'll listen to make the pain stop.Every person you kill takes away a piece of your soul , and it does n't matter whether it was with an button pushed or a trigger pulled .
And that 's how it should be .
Trust me , the price of war is high enough .
And it 's not just them that hurt for it .
They have families .
The " enemy " have families .
And they have friends .
And communities .
And prayer groups .
We are all connected , and this world is a whole lot smaller than you think.No technological advancement will ever take away the fact that a life lost makes the world a little less bright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.
It is highly problematic if you can kill as if it were a computer game.Those people know what the hell they're doing.
They're killing someone.
You think the people that sat in nuclear silos at the height of the cold war didn't know what that red button would do?
You think they didn't break out in cold sweats at night, hoping and praying the day would never come when they'd be ask to do their last duty for their country?
It's disgraceful to think these people are calloused to the fact that they are killing people just because it happens on a computer screen instead of splattered across their chest.
Don't think that just because they don't see their faces when they kill them, they won't wake up screaming at night and sobbing when they think nobody can hear them, praying to God or anyone else that'll listen to make the pain stop.Every person you kill takes away a piece of your soul, and it doesn't matter whether it was with an button pushed or a trigger pulled.
And that's how it should be.
Trust me, the price of war is high enough.
And it's not just them that hurt for it.
They have families.
The "enemy" have families.
And they have friends.
And communities.
And prayer groups.
We are all connected, and this world is a whole lot smaller than you think.No technological advancement will ever take away the fact that a life lost makes the world a little less bright.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31222228</id>
	<title>People problem.</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1266749160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I'm sure we'll hear lots about the technology, but when you're in the field, surrounded by your fellow soldiers, then blowing the shit out of a car full of people is a shared experience. You can rely on your friends and fellow soldiers to help you deal with the fact that you just helped end a bunch of lives. Yes, it was the right thing. Yes, it was you or them. But all the justifications aside there's an emotional price to be paid that every person who's been in combat or seen it, or similar.</p><p>Now we have guys sitting in rooms filled with computer screens blowing people up, and is there anyone there to talk to about it? Can they light a cigarette after, put a fist in the wall, and say "Goddamnit, I wish there'd been another way!" No. You're stuck in a sterile environment, air conditioned, quiet, and after blowing the fuck out of someone you can get up and go get yourself a soda from the vend, grab your coat, file some paperwork, and drive home.</p><p>Huge disclaimer -- I'm not in the military, I don't know what these guys to for stress relief, or to deal with the emotional consequences of what they're doing. But I do know the dangers of becoming emotionally numb to violence, and without advocating for or against what the military is doing, I want to ask -- what are we doing to help these soldiers deal with those issues? For that matter, is it even an issue? I don't really know. But I think it helps to look someone in the eye if you have to kill them. To know they were a real person. To remember what you've done -- even if it was the right thing to do, even if there was no other choice, it's a statement about the value of human life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure we 'll hear lots about the technology , but when you 're in the field , surrounded by your fellow soldiers , then blowing the shit out of a car full of people is a shared experience .
You can rely on your friends and fellow soldiers to help you deal with the fact that you just helped end a bunch of lives .
Yes , it was the right thing .
Yes , it was you or them .
But all the justifications aside there 's an emotional price to be paid that every person who 's been in combat or seen it , or similar.Now we have guys sitting in rooms filled with computer screens blowing people up , and is there anyone there to talk to about it ?
Can they light a cigarette after , put a fist in the wall , and say " Goddamnit , I wish there 'd been another way !
" No .
You 're stuck in a sterile environment , air conditioned , quiet , and after blowing the fuck out of someone you can get up and go get yourself a soda from the vend , grab your coat , file some paperwork , and drive home.Huge disclaimer -- I 'm not in the military , I do n't know what these guys to for stress relief , or to deal with the emotional consequences of what they 're doing .
But I do know the dangers of becoming emotionally numb to violence , and without advocating for or against what the military is doing , I want to ask -- what are we doing to help these soldiers deal with those issues ?
For that matter , is it even an issue ?
I do n't really know .
But I think it helps to look someone in the eye if you have to kill them .
To know they were a real person .
To remember what you 've done -- even if it was the right thing to do , even if there was no other choice , it 's a statement about the value of human life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure we'll hear lots about the technology, but when you're in the field, surrounded by your fellow soldiers, then blowing the shit out of a car full of people is a shared experience.
You can rely on your friends and fellow soldiers to help you deal with the fact that you just helped end a bunch of lives.
Yes, it was the right thing.
Yes, it was you or them.
But all the justifications aside there's an emotional price to be paid that every person who's been in combat or seen it, or similar.Now we have guys sitting in rooms filled with computer screens blowing people up, and is there anyone there to talk to about it?
Can they light a cigarette after, put a fist in the wall, and say "Goddamnit, I wish there'd been another way!
" No.
You're stuck in a sterile environment, air conditioned, quiet, and after blowing the fuck out of someone you can get up and go get yourself a soda from the vend, grab your coat, file some paperwork, and drive home.Huge disclaimer -- I'm not in the military, I don't know what these guys to for stress relief, or to deal with the emotional consequences of what they're doing.
But I do know the dangers of becoming emotionally numb to violence, and without advocating for or against what the military is doing, I want to ask -- what are we doing to help these soldiers deal with those issues?
For that matter, is it even an issue?
I don't really know.
But I think it helps to look someone in the eye if you have to kill them.
To know they were a real person.
To remember what you've done -- even if it was the right thing to do, even if there was no other choice, it's a statement about the value of human life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_21_2119252.31223896</id>
	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>Mspangler</author>
	<datestamp>1266759540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they (that is, all leaders and followers) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs."</p><p>And in a nutshell, you've explained why removing nuclear weapons from the world is a bad idea. As long as there are nuclear weapons on both sides, any leader who starts a war gets to play too. With conventional weapons, the leaders stay safe and their low-level followers get to die.</p><p>The great question of the 21st century is will that argument hold in with Islamic fundamentalists? They want to die, but do they want to see their relatives incinerated? And would the non-islamic countries blot out that many innocents to make the point? (But, look at what happened to Dresden.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they ( that is , all leaders and followers ) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs .
" And in a nutshell , you 've explained why removing nuclear weapons from the world is a bad idea .
As long as there are nuclear weapons on both sides , any leader who starts a war gets to play too .
With conventional weapons , the leaders stay safe and their low-level followers get to die.The great question of the 21st century is will that argument hold in with Islamic fundamentalists ?
They want to die , but do they want to see their relatives incinerated ?
And would the non-islamic countries blot out that many innocents to make the point ?
( But , look at what happened to Dresden .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I think the people of the world including the leaders would think twice if they (that is, all leaders and followers) had to do this old-style with rocks and clubs.
"And in a nutshell, you've explained why removing nuclear weapons from the world is a bad idea.
As long as there are nuclear weapons on both sides, any leader who starts a war gets to play too.
With conventional weapons, the leaders stay safe and their low-level followers get to die.The great question of the 21st century is will that argument hold in with Islamic fundamentalists?
They want to die, but do they want to see their relatives incinerated?
And would the non-islamic countries blot out that many innocents to make the point?
(But, look at what happened to Dresden.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>If you are upset about a man in the loop -x47B</title>
	<author>watermodem</author>
	<datestamp>1266771720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>With the X-47B the game changes....<br>It can fly and fight with the man observing the "loop" on a few planes.</p><p>Autonomously fly,<br>Autonomously or on designation fight air-to-air<br>Autonomously or on designation carry out ground attacks.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbbMMAThTiY" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbbMMAThTiY</a> [youtube.com]Video advertisement for X47B<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajFZleD4\_lk&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajFZleD4\_lk&amp;feature=related</a> [youtube.com]Video of test flight of the proof of concept X47A<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlRR2MPU0U" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlRR2MPU0U</a> [youtube.com]Video of unveiling</p><p>BTW several have already been delivered to the Navy for testing and certification.</p><p>X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System Taking Shape On Board USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72)<br><a href="http://www.sofmag.com/wp/2010/02/x-47b-unmanned-combat-air-system-taking-shape-on-board-lincoln/" title="sofmag.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sofmag.com/wp/2010/02/x-47b-unmanned-combat-air-system-taking-shape-on-board-lincoln/</a> [sofmag.com]SOF Mag on the X-47B</p><p>It is going to be sweet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the X-47B the game changes....It can fly and fight with the man observing the " loop " on a few planes.Autonomously fly,Autonomously or on designation fight air-to-airAutonomously or on designation carry out ground attacks.http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = qbbMMAThTiY [ youtube.com ] Video advertisement for X47Bhttp : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = ajFZleD4 \ _lk&amp;feature = related [ youtube.com ] Video of test flight of the proof of concept X47Ahttp : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = oOlRR2MPU0U [ youtube.com ] Video of unveilingBTW several have already been delivered to the Navy for testing and certification.X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System Taking Shape On Board USS Abraham Lincoln ( CVN 72 ) http : //www.sofmag.com/wp/2010/02/x-47b-unmanned-combat-air-system-taking-shape-on-board-lincoln/ [ sofmag.com ] SOF Mag on the X-47BIt is going to be sweet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the X-47B the game changes....It can fly and fight with the man observing the "loop" on a few planes.Autonomously fly,Autonomously or on designation fight air-to-airAutonomously or on designation carry out ground attacks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbbMMAThTiY [youtube.com]Video advertisement for X47Bhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajFZleD4\_lk&amp;feature=related [youtube.com]Video of test flight of the proof of concept X47Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlRR2MPU0U [youtube.com]Video of unveilingBTW several have already been delivered to the Navy for testing and certification.X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System Taking Shape On Board USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72)http://www.sofmag.com/wp/2010/02/x-47b-unmanned-combat-air-system-taking-shape-on-board-lincoln/ [sofmag.com]SOF Mag on the X-47BIt is going to be sweet.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Face-to-face combat</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.</p></div><p>Yes, because wars never existed before the invention of remotely-operated drones. And FSM knows the kings of Europe in the middle ages and Roman consuls never led troops into battle; that would be madness!</p><p>The desire for war seems to go away only when humans are fat and comfortable. As long as there's anyone, anywhere, living a marginal existence, war is going to continue being a viable option.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.Yes , because wars never existed before the invention of remotely-operated drones .
And FSM knows the kings of Europe in the middle ages and Roman consuls never led troops into battle ; that would be madness ! The desire for war seems to go away only when humans are fat and comfortable .
As long as there 's anyone , anywhere , living a marginal existence , war is going to continue being a viable option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The readiness to kill is somewhat lower if you have to be involved face-to-face.Yes, because wars never existed before the invention of remotely-operated drones.
And FSM knows the kings of Europe in the middle ages and Roman consuls never led troops into battle; that would be madness!The desire for war seems to go away only when humans are fat and comfortable.
As long as there's anyone, anywhere, living a marginal existence, war is going to continue being a viable option.
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