<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_19_223211</id>
	<title>Adobe Download Manager Installing Software Without Consent</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266575460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>"Not all is worth cheering about as Adobe turns 20," writes reader adeelarshad82, who excerpts from a story at PC Magazine's Security Watch: <i>"Researcher Aviv Raff has found a problem in ADM (Adobe Download Manager) and the method through which it is delivered from adobe.com. The net effect of the problem is that a user can be tricked into downloading and <a href="http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/02/unauthorized\_downloads\_through.php">installing software using ADM without actual consent</a>. Tonight Adobe <a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/psirt/2010/02/adobe\_download\_manager\_issue.html">acknowledged</a> the report and said they were working on the issue with Raff and NOS Microsystems, the company that wrote ADM."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Not all is worth cheering about as Adobe turns 20 , " writes reader adeelarshad82 , who excerpts from a story at PC Magazine 's Security Watch : " Researcher Aviv Raff has found a problem in ADM ( Adobe Download Manager ) and the method through which it is delivered from adobe.com .
The net effect of the problem is that a user can be tricked into downloading and installing software using ADM without actual consent .
Tonight Adobe acknowledged the report and said they were working on the issue with Raff and NOS Microsystems , the company that wrote ADM. "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Not all is worth cheering about as Adobe turns 20," writes reader adeelarshad82, who excerpts from a story at PC Magazine's Security Watch: "Researcher Aviv Raff has found a problem in ADM (Adobe Download Manager) and the method through which it is delivered from adobe.com.
The net effect of the problem is that a user can be tricked into downloading and installing software using ADM without actual consent.
Tonight Adobe acknowledged the report and said they were working on the issue with Raff and NOS Microsystems, the company that wrote ADM."</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31208122</id>
	<title>Your problem isn't Bonjour, it's porn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266605220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bonjour pisses me off. I can't count the number of times the damned thing has popped up on my monitor while I've had Hulu running a show full-screen on my projector (thus jacking Hulu's Flash player out of full-screen mode) - and it's asking me to install shit I don't want or need (Why the fuck would I run Safari on my Windows box, just cuz I happened to put iTunes on my system?).</p></div><p>What you describe isn't caused by Bonjour, it is caused by going to certain pornographic Web sites. You should really try to find better quality porn instead of that crap that comes out of Eastern Europe.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bonjour pisses me off .
I ca n't count the number of times the damned thing has popped up on my monitor while I 've had Hulu running a show full-screen on my projector ( thus jacking Hulu 's Flash player out of full-screen mode ) - and it 's asking me to install shit I do n't want or need ( Why the fuck would I run Safari on my Windows box , just cuz I happened to put iTunes on my system ?
) .What you describe is n't caused by Bonjour , it is caused by going to certain pornographic Web sites .
You should really try to find better quality porn instead of that crap that comes out of Eastern Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bonjour pisses me off.
I can't count the number of times the damned thing has popped up on my monitor while I've had Hulu running a show full-screen on my projector (thus jacking Hulu's Flash player out of full-screen mode) - and it's asking me to install shit I don't want or need (Why the fuck would I run Safari on my Windows box, just cuz I happened to put iTunes on my system?
).What you describe isn't caused by Bonjour, it is caused by going to certain pornographic Web sites.
You should really try to find better quality porn instead of that crap that comes out of Eastern Europe.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205734</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205484</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>My Iron Lung</author>
	<datestamp>1266580140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, Adobe is to blame for that crap! I wondered how it kept getting on my PC without any Apple software installed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , Adobe is to blame for that crap !
I wondered how it kept getting on my PC without any Apple software installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, Adobe is to blame for that crap!
I wondered how it kept getting on my PC without any Apple software installed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31209106</id>
	<title>Re:DLM? No thank you</title>
	<author>ergean</author>
	<datestamp>1266667620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use filehippo.com to skip all that crap, all the apps in one place... like yahoo messenger, google earth and a few other apps I need to get fast without browsing through 10 pages to get to a damn download manager. They have annoying adds, but it's OK if you use add-block.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use filehippo.com to skip all that crap , all the apps in one place... like yahoo messenger , google earth and a few other apps I need to get fast without browsing through 10 pages to get to a damn download manager .
They have annoying adds , but it 's OK if you use add-block .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use filehippo.com to skip all that crap, all the apps in one place... like yahoo messenger, google earth and a few other apps I need to get fast without browsing through 10 pages to get to a damn download manager.
They have annoying adds, but it's OK if you use add-block.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31207484</id>
	<title>Too common.</title>
	<author>Martin Spamer</author>
	<datestamp>1266597300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This stealthy downloading &amp; installation is becoming very common even by well known companies, Safari constantly attempts a stealthy install of iTunes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This stealthy downloading &amp; installation is becoming very common even by well known companies , Safari constantly attempts a stealthy install of iTunes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This stealthy downloading &amp; installation is becoming very common even by well known companies, Safari constantly attempts a stealthy install of iTunes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205312</id>
	<title>Disable</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1266579120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I noticed this a few days ago and had enough. I found the KB article the spells out how to disable and wrote it up <a href="http://www.unletteredandordinary.com/2010/02/disabling-auto-updates-in-adobe-cs4.html" title="unlettered...dinary.com">here</a> [unlettered...dinary.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I noticed this a few days ago and had enough .
I found the KB article the spells out how to disable and wrote it up here [ unlettered...dinary.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I noticed this a few days ago and had enough.
I found the KB article the spells out how to disable and wrote it up here [unlettered...dinary.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205482</id>
	<title>A minor nit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe is about 28 this year. It's Photoshop that is 20.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe is about 28 this year .
It 's Photoshop that is 20 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe is about 28 this year.
It's Photoshop that is 20.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31224698</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266764880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Researcher Aviv Raff has found a problem in ADM (Adobe Download Manager)</p></div><p>One man's problem is another man's feature...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Researcher Aviv Raff has found a problem in ADM ( Adobe Download Manager ) One man 's problem is another man 's feature.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Researcher Aviv Raff has found a problem in ADM (Adobe Download Manager)One man's problem is another man's feature...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205642</id>
	<title>B3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, well i lost alot of respect after photoshop went into the CS series. Thats when all this extra software garbage started coming out with it.<br>Next will be apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , well i lost alot of respect after photoshop went into the CS series .
Thats when all this extra software garbage started coming out with it.Next will be apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, well i lost alot of respect after photoshop went into the CS series.
Thats when all this extra software garbage started coming out with it.Next will be apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31232152</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>alexo</author>
	<datestamp>1266864900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Bonjour is just as bad. It scans your LAN constantly, takes A LOT resources and provides nothing good. And it's installed without asking you along any Adobe product.</p></div></blockquote><p>Do those Adobe products depend on Bonjour to work?<br>Can you uninstall Bonjour without losing functionality?  How?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bonjour is just as bad .
It scans your LAN constantly , takes A LOT resources and provides nothing good .
And it 's installed without asking you along any Adobe product.Do those Adobe products depend on Bonjour to work ? Can you uninstall Bonjour without losing functionality ?
How ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bonjour is just as bad.
It scans your LAN constantly, takes A LOT resources and provides nothing good.
And it's installed without asking you along any Adobe product.Do those Adobe products depend on Bonjour to work?Can you uninstall Bonjour without losing functionality?
How?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205734</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>Evil Shabazz</author>
	<datestamp>1266581640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bonjour pisses me off.  I can't count the number of times the damned thing has popped up on my monitor while I've had Hulu running a show full-screen on my projector (thus jacking Hulu's Flash player out of full-screen mode) - and it's asking me to install shit I don't want or need (Why the fuck would I run Safari on my Windows box, just cuz I happened to put iTunes on my system?).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bonjour pisses me off .
I ca n't count the number of times the damned thing has popped up on my monitor while I 've had Hulu running a show full-screen on my projector ( thus jacking Hulu 's Flash player out of full-screen mode ) - and it 's asking me to install shit I do n't want or need ( Why the fuck would I run Safari on my Windows box , just cuz I happened to put iTunes on my system ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bonjour pisses me off.
I can't count the number of times the damned thing has popped up on my monitor while I've had Hulu running a show full-screen on my projector (thus jacking Hulu's Flash player out of full-screen mode) - and it's asking me to install shit I don't want or need (Why the fuck would I run Safari on my Windows box, just cuz I happened to put iTunes on my system?
).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205912</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise there....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266582660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The worst use of a download manager, in my opinion, is Avast Antivirus.  It's not because it's particularly intrusive (it isn't).  It's not because it installs extras you don't want (it doesn't).</p><p>It's just that, out of all programs that shouldn't use a download manager, antivirus is at the top of the list.</p><p>One of the first rules of computer security is that you stay off the internet until you have your antivirus program up and running.  They're an antivirus company; they should know that.  But there's no way to get Avast up and running unless you get on the internet first!  You can't download it on another computer and transfer it on a thumb drive because all you get with the initial download is the downloader.  So you have to expose your computer to risk for a few minutes while it downloads and installs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The worst use of a download manager , in my opinion , is Avast Antivirus .
It 's not because it 's particularly intrusive ( it is n't ) .
It 's not because it installs extras you do n't want ( it does n't ) .It 's just that , out of all programs that should n't use a download manager , antivirus is at the top of the list.One of the first rules of computer security is that you stay off the internet until you have your antivirus program up and running .
They 're an antivirus company ; they should know that .
But there 's no way to get Avast up and running unless you get on the internet first !
You ca n't download it on another computer and transfer it on a thumb drive because all you get with the initial download is the downloader .
So you have to expose your computer to risk for a few minutes while it downloads and installs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The worst use of a download manager, in my opinion, is Avast Antivirus.
It's not because it's particularly intrusive (it isn't).
It's not because it installs extras you don't want (it doesn't).It's just that, out of all programs that shouldn't use a download manager, antivirus is at the top of the list.One of the first rules of computer security is that you stay off the internet until you have your antivirus program up and running.
They're an antivirus company; they should know that.
But there's no way to get Avast up and running unless you get on the internet first!
You can't download it on another computer and transfer it on a thumb drive because all you get with the initial download is the downloader.
So you have to expose your computer to risk for a few minutes while it downloads and installs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205406</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206468</id>
	<title>ya and has crashed xp 5 tiems today</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266586440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206940</id>
	<title>Re:Disable</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1266591300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google "block adobe hosts file" for more useful info.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google " block adobe hosts file " for more useful info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google "block adobe hosts file" for more useful info.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205312</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205686</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise there....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe our terminology is a little incompatible here. But apt-get is a download manager is it not? It and the rest of its cousins common in linux are quite easy and useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe our terminology is a little incompatible here .
But apt-get is a download manager is it not ?
It and the rest of its cousins common in linux are quite easy and useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe our terminology is a little incompatible here.
But apt-get is a download manager is it not?
It and the rest of its cousins common in linux are quite easy and useful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205406</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206502</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>KillShill</author>
	<datestamp>1266586800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like you're voting with your wallet...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you 're voting with your wallet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you're voting with your wallet...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205308</id>
	<title>Bonjour</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1266579120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour\_(software)" title="wikipedia.org">Bonjour</a> [wikipedia.org] is just as bad. It scans your LAN constantly, takes A LOT resources and provides nothing good. And it's installed without asking you along any Adobe product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bonjour [ wikipedia.org ] is just as bad .
It scans your LAN constantly , takes A LOT resources and provides nothing good .
And it 's installed without asking you along any Adobe product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bonjour [wikipedia.org] is just as bad.
It scans your LAN constantly, takes A LOT resources and provides nothing good.
And it's installed without asking you along any Adobe product.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205966</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise there....</title>
	<author>X0563511</author>
	<datestamp>1266582900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in the dialup days I used something called Getright frequently. When a file took days to download and your connection was unstable... they had their use. Nowdays, not so much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the dialup days I used something called Getright frequently .
When a file took days to download and your connection was unstable... they had their use .
Nowdays , not so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the dialup days I used something called Getright frequently.
When a file took days to download and your connection was unstable... they had their use.
Nowdays, not so much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205406</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205406</id>
	<title>No surprise there....</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1266579660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I inherently distrust download managers.  You don't need them.  Just give me an http, ftp or (in some cases) torrent download and that's all I need.  Download managers are not needed, they are additional fluff for nothing.  It gets on my nerves they usually get forced down your throat and you need to jump through hoops on fire to get to a normal download.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I inherently distrust download managers .
You do n't need them .
Just give me an http , ftp or ( in some cases ) torrent download and that 's all I need .
Download managers are not needed , they are additional fluff for nothing .
It gets on my nerves they usually get forced down your throat and you need to jump through hoops on fire to get to a normal download .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I inherently distrust download managers.
You don't need them.
Just give me an http, ftp or (in some cases) torrent download and that's all I need.
Download managers are not needed, they are additional fluff for nothing.
It gets on my nerves they usually get forced down your throat and you need to jump through hoops on fire to get to a normal download.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205374</id>
	<title>Free software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266579480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Recently, I found a design flaw on Adobe&rsquo;s website, which allows the abuse of the Adobe Download Manager to force the automatic installation of Adobe products, as well as other software products (e.g. Google Toolbar).</p></div><p>Anyway to get them for "force" a free download of PhotoShop?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Recently , I found a design flaw on Adobe    s website , which allows the abuse of the Adobe Download Manager to force the automatic installation of Adobe products , as well as other software products ( e.g .
Google Toolbar ) .Anyway to get them for " force " a free download of PhotoShop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recently, I found a design flaw on Adobe’s website, which allows the abuse of the Adobe Download Manager to force the automatic installation of Adobe products, as well as other software products (e.g.
Google Toolbar).Anyway to get them for "force" a free download of PhotoShop?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205428</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1266579840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also dislike the opt-out Safari install that I have to remember every time I upgrade iTunes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also dislike the opt-out Safari install that I have to remember every time I upgrade iTunes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also dislike the opt-out Safari install that I have to remember every time I upgrade iTunes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205964</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266582900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair to Apple, they only did that the one time - and learnt their lesson *really* quickly! Now it shows up in Apple Software Update, but un-ticked.</p><p>Which is fine by me, as I don't have any need for Safari. Already have Firefox for day-to-day browsing, Chrome for testing, and IE for just remote access to work.</p><p>-MT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair to Apple , they only did that the one time - and learnt their lesson * really * quickly !
Now it shows up in Apple Software Update , but un-ticked.Which is fine by me , as I do n't have any need for Safari .
Already have Firefox for day-to-day browsing , Chrome for testing , and IE for just remote access to work.-MT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair to Apple, they only did that the one time - and learnt their lesson *really* quickly!
Now it shows up in Apple Software Update, but un-ticked.Which is fine by me, as I don't have any need for Safari.
Already have Firefox for day-to-day browsing, Chrome for testing, and IE for just remote access to work.-MT.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206846</id>
	<title>The Tragedy of Adobe</title>
	<author>CuteSteveJobs</author>
	<datestamp>1266590040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of getting off my lawn, sit down and I'll tell you kids a story: In the Good ole days Adobe and it's founder John Warnock (or Warnock's Algorithm fame) were heroes. At the time most of us had ugly dot matrix printers and fixed fonts, they came up with the PostScript printer description language and many beautiful fonts. Buy a Postscript printer and you could print beautiful documents previously only typesetters could. When Apple licensed it for their laser printer desktop publishing took off. Warnock cared about beautiful fonts. Postscript was a full-blown programming language, yet a very efficient one. PDF itself *is* Postscript, just encapsulated in a file.</p><p>But Adobe then isn't Adobe now. Their Adobe Reader is an appalling, fat, unresponsive hard to drive piece of software. Ever configured options? There are twenty off preference pages with no coherent grouping. They still haven't grasped things like reopening the document where you last were reading it, or letting you add bookmarks. Instead they've loaded Adobe with a tonne of "features" to the point it's now a trojan horse vector. The company itself is no longer a source of innovation: Instead they just buy out other companies (like Macromedia Flash) and then run them into the ground. Their software uniformly suffers from appalling GUIs (or if it doesn't when they buy it, they shortly will) e.g. Photoshop, but when you're that big you can afford to be that arrogant. People will buy your software anyway, because they don't have a choice.</p><p>Yes, there are some PDF Reader imitators like Foxit Software. While they're much faster, they have copied the Adobe interface instead of themselves innovating.</p><p>The Adobe Updater is an intrusive pain in the ass. In a previous version, you had to connect to the net and then connect to Adobe to turn off the Updater. This was "free" software, so this wasn't for licensing: It was just lame in-your-face programming by lame programmers. If you try and deleted the Updater yourself, it reinstalled itself. In the end I found out if you deleted it (in your Program Files directory) and then replace plain files with directories and directories with plain files so when it goes try and reinstall itself Windows tells it to get lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of getting off my lawn , sit down and I 'll tell you kids a story : In the Good ole days Adobe and it 's founder John Warnock ( or Warnock 's Algorithm fame ) were heroes .
At the time most of us had ugly dot matrix printers and fixed fonts , they came up with the PostScript printer description language and many beautiful fonts .
Buy a Postscript printer and you could print beautiful documents previously only typesetters could .
When Apple licensed it for their laser printer desktop publishing took off .
Warnock cared about beautiful fonts .
Postscript was a full-blown programming language , yet a very efficient one .
PDF itself * is * Postscript , just encapsulated in a file.But Adobe then is n't Adobe now .
Their Adobe Reader is an appalling , fat , unresponsive hard to drive piece of software .
Ever configured options ?
There are twenty off preference pages with no coherent grouping .
They still have n't grasped things like reopening the document where you last were reading it , or letting you add bookmarks .
Instead they 've loaded Adobe with a tonne of " features " to the point it 's now a trojan horse vector .
The company itself is no longer a source of innovation : Instead they just buy out other companies ( like Macromedia Flash ) and then run them into the ground .
Their software uniformly suffers from appalling GUIs ( or if it does n't when they buy it , they shortly will ) e.g .
Photoshop , but when you 're that big you can afford to be that arrogant .
People will buy your software anyway , because they do n't have a choice.Yes , there are some PDF Reader imitators like Foxit Software .
While they 're much faster , they have copied the Adobe interface instead of themselves innovating.The Adobe Updater is an intrusive pain in the ass .
In a previous version , you had to connect to the net and then connect to Adobe to turn off the Updater .
This was " free " software , so this was n't for licensing : It was just lame in-your-face programming by lame programmers .
If you try and deleted the Updater yourself , it reinstalled itself .
In the end I found out if you deleted it ( in your Program Files directory ) and then replace plain files with directories and directories with plain files so when it goes try and reinstall itself Windows tells it to get lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of getting off my lawn, sit down and I'll tell you kids a story: In the Good ole days Adobe and it's founder John Warnock (or Warnock's Algorithm fame) were heroes.
At the time most of us had ugly dot matrix printers and fixed fonts, they came up with the PostScript printer description language and many beautiful fonts.
Buy a Postscript printer and you could print beautiful documents previously only typesetters could.
When Apple licensed it for their laser printer desktop publishing took off.
Warnock cared about beautiful fonts.
Postscript was a full-blown programming language, yet a very efficient one.
PDF itself *is* Postscript, just encapsulated in a file.But Adobe then isn't Adobe now.
Their Adobe Reader is an appalling, fat, unresponsive hard to drive piece of software.
Ever configured options?
There are twenty off preference pages with no coherent grouping.
They still haven't grasped things like reopening the document where you last were reading it, or letting you add bookmarks.
Instead they've loaded Adobe with a tonne of "features" to the point it's now a trojan horse vector.
The company itself is no longer a source of innovation: Instead they just buy out other companies (like Macromedia Flash) and then run them into the ground.
Their software uniformly suffers from appalling GUIs (or if it doesn't when they buy it, they shortly will) e.g.
Photoshop, but when you're that big you can afford to be that arrogant.
People will buy your software anyway, because they don't have a choice.Yes, there are some PDF Reader imitators like Foxit Software.
While they're much faster, they have copied the Adobe interface instead of themselves innovating.The Adobe Updater is an intrusive pain in the ass.
In a previous version, you had to connect to the net and then connect to Adobe to turn off the Updater.
This was "free" software, so this wasn't for licensing: It was just lame in-your-face programming by lame programmers.
If you try and deleted the Updater yourself, it reinstalled itself.
In the end I found out if you deleted it (in your Program Files directory) and then replace plain files with directories and directories with plain files so when it goes try and reinstall itself Windows tells it to get lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206536</id>
	<title>Adobe is not 20 years old</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1266587040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Not all is worth cheering about as Adobe turns 20,"</p></div><p>Photoshop is turning 20 this month, not Adobe, which was founded in 1982.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Not all is worth cheering about as Adobe turns 20 , " Photoshop is turning 20 this month , not Adobe , which was founded in 1982 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Not all is worth cheering about as Adobe turns 20,"Photoshop is turning 20 this month, not Adobe, which was founded in 1982.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31208802</id>
	<title>Re:Disable</title>
	<author>goatherder23</author>
	<datestamp>1266661140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you wrote up a bunch of crap to whore your blog and included the link in that. <br> <br>

How about just posting the link to the adobe kb instead? <br> <br>

<a href="http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404813.html" title="adobe.com" rel="nofollow">http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404813.html</a> [adobe.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you wrote up a bunch of crap to whore your blog and included the link in that .
How about just posting the link to the adobe kb instead ?
http : //kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404813.html [ adobe.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you wrote up a bunch of crap to whore your blog and included the link in that.
How about just posting the link to the adobe kb instead?
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404813.html [adobe.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205312</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206694</id>
	<title>Re:DLM? No thank you</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1266588480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't bought anything by Adobe ever since I bought one of their <a href="http://snltranscripts.jt.org/86/86dadobe.phtml" title="jt.org">cars</a> [jt.org].  Oh, sure, you fix the dents yourself.. until it cures!!!  Then good luck reshaping your new brick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't bought anything by Adobe ever since I bought one of their cars [ jt.org ] .
Oh , sure , you fix the dents yourself.. until it cures ! ! !
Then good luck reshaping your new brick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't bought anything by Adobe ever since I bought one of their cars [jt.org].
Oh, sure, you fix the dents yourself.. until it cures!!!
Then good luck reshaping your new brick.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205866</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise there....</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1266582360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No apt-get (or aptitude as you should use) is a <b>package</b> manager.  Stuff Adobe gives you, or whatever iTunes installs, or any Windows updater for non-OS software are download managers. </p><p>Go download some drivers at Dell.  It will ask you to install a download manager for its drivers.  What for?  That's a download manager to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No apt-get ( or aptitude as you should use ) is a package manager .
Stuff Adobe gives you , or whatever iTunes installs , or any Windows updater for non-OS software are download managers .
Go download some drivers at Dell .
It will ask you to install a download manager for its drivers .
What for ?
That 's a download manager to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No apt-get (or aptitude as you should use) is a package manager.
Stuff Adobe gives you, or whatever iTunes installs, or any Windows updater for non-OS software are download managers.
Go download some drivers at Dell.
It will ask you to install a download manager for its drivers.
What for?
That's a download manager to me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205462</id>
	<title>DLM?  No thank you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always distrusted Adobe simply for pushing the Google Toolbar, or these days McAfee.  An easy way to get Reader or Flash without getting stuck with their stupid and unnecessary DLM is to cancel the first download, and then "click here if your download doesn't start".  That way you only get the installer you wanted, not all the other crap they're trying to push on you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always distrusted Adobe simply for pushing the Google Toolbar , or these days McAfee .
An easy way to get Reader or Flash without getting stuck with their stupid and unnecessary DLM is to cancel the first download , and then " click here if your download does n't start " .
That way you only get the installer you wanted , not all the other crap they 're trying to push on you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always distrusted Adobe simply for pushing the Google Toolbar, or these days McAfee.
An easy way to get Reader or Flash without getting stuck with their stupid and unnecessary DLM is to cancel the first download, and then "click here if your download doesn't start".
That way you only get the installer you wanted, not all the other crap they're trying to push on you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31209546</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise there....</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1266674820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe our terminology is a little incompatible here. But apt-get is a download manager is it not?</p></div><p>No, it is not. apt-get is a package manager; it uses a download manager called wget to fetch files which it then passes to dpkg for installation. wget has an enormous feature set not utilized by apt-get, which is a stupid name. It should have simply been called apt. Of course, aptitude is better anyway...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe our terminology is a little incompatible here .
But apt-get is a download manager is it not ? No , it is not .
apt-get is a package manager ; it uses a download manager called wget to fetch files which it then passes to dpkg for installation .
wget has an enormous feature set not utilized by apt-get , which is a stupid name .
It should have simply been called apt .
Of course , aptitude is better anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe our terminology is a little incompatible here.
But apt-get is a download manager is it not?No, it is not.
apt-get is a package manager; it uses a download manager called wget to fetch files which it then passes to dpkg for installation.
wget has an enormous feature set not utilized by apt-get, which is a stupid name.
It should have simply been called apt.
Of course, aptitude is better anyway...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206414</id>
	<title>Adobe also uses Akamai Download Manager</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266586200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's two strikes now for Adobe.  As TFA says, Adobe also uses the <a href="http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402065.html" title="adobe.com" rel="nofollow">Akamai Download Manager</a> [adobe.com] for downloads from the Adobe Store.  This thing installs itself and runs *forever*, not just for the download you paid for in the store.</p><p>It has a P2P mode where client machines (that's *you*, sucker) distribute the downloaded software using your bandwidth in the background.  Is there an icon in the taskbar letting you know?  Nope, it runs silent and deep (it does show up as Akamai something-or-other in Process Explorer).</p><p>It's like running BitTorrent and donating your bandwidth to Akamai and their friends.  Except not on purpose.</p><p>But hey, you probably clicked through a EULA that you didn't read, so it's all on you right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's two strikes now for Adobe .
As TFA says , Adobe also uses the Akamai Download Manager [ adobe.com ] for downloads from the Adobe Store .
This thing installs itself and runs * forever * , not just for the download you paid for in the store.It has a P2P mode where client machines ( that 's * you * , sucker ) distribute the downloaded software using your bandwidth in the background .
Is there an icon in the taskbar letting you know ?
Nope , it runs silent and deep ( it does show up as Akamai something-or-other in Process Explorer ) .It 's like running BitTorrent and donating your bandwidth to Akamai and their friends .
Except not on purpose.But hey , you probably clicked through a EULA that you did n't read , so it 's all on you right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's two strikes now for Adobe.
As TFA says, Adobe also uses the Akamai Download Manager [adobe.com] for downloads from the Adobe Store.
This thing installs itself and runs *forever*, not just for the download you paid for in the store.It has a P2P mode where client machines (that's *you*, sucker) distribute the downloaded software using your bandwidth in the background.
Is there an icon in the taskbar letting you know?
Nope, it runs silent and deep (it does show up as Akamai something-or-other in Process Explorer).It's like running BitTorrent and donating your bandwidth to Akamai and their friends.
Except not on purpose.But hey, you probably clicked through a EULA that you didn't read, so it's all on you right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206238</id>
	<title>it's not adobe's fault...</title>
	<author>thechronic</author>
	<datestamp>1266584460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it's your computer's fault for acting all slutty like that with all that spare ram, unused cpu cycles and an ethernet card aching to transmit all your personal information to Adobe!</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's your computer 's fault for acting all slutty like that with all that spare ram , unused cpu cycles and an ethernet card aching to transmit all your personal information to Adobe !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's your computer's fault for acting all slutty like that with all that spare ram, unused cpu cycles and an ethernet card aching to transmit all your personal information to Adobe!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206900</id>
	<title>Adobe Reader 9 Installer</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1266590940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a folder sitting on my desktop called Adobe Reader 9 Installer (&gt;100meg).  Can I get rid of this?  I don't know what is going on with Adobe.  The pdf reader used to be a lean secure program and now it's turned into some huge hideous beast that tries to sing and dance.  Sigh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a folder sitting on my desktop called Adobe Reader 9 Installer ( &gt; 100meg ) .
Can I get rid of this ?
I do n't know what is going on with Adobe .
The pdf reader used to be a lean secure program and now it 's turned into some huge hideous beast that tries to sing and dance .
Sigh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a folder sitting on my desktop called Adobe Reader 9 Installer (&gt;100meg).
Can I get rid of this?
I don't know what is going on with Adobe.
The pdf reader used to be a lean secure program and now it's turned into some huge hideous beast that tries to sing and dance.
Sigh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31207066</id>
	<title>Use Portable Apps!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266593220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Portable apps doesnt leave anything in your registry (ideally), so you can just run the app, close / move / copy it, put it on a USB-drive or whatever you want without worry<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>It also makes it much faster to backup your whole app collection, or duplicate / sync your setup across machines.<br>Am currently running all of these software as portable apps, and only have a few apps left which are too embedded in the OS to be portable (like iTunes for my iPhone (neva gonna buy Apple again!!, and Windows Media Player, but with VLC and DIVX weplayer available I never use that much<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>I have even seen Photoshop as portable somewhere, but doesnt use it nowadays so not sure how well that works.</p><p>My current Portable Apps list:<br>2XClient, 7-ZipPortable, AudacityPortable, BonkEncPortable, CelestiaPortable, ClamWinPortable, ConvertAllPortable, CoolPlayer+Portable, EraserDropPortable, EraserPortable, GIMPPortable<br>InfraRecorderPortable, Java, JavaPortableLauncher, KompoZerPortable, LightscreenPortable, MPlayerPortable, Notepad++Portable, On-ScreenKeyboardPortable, OpenOfficePortable, PDFTKBuilderPortable, PortableApps.com, PortableAppsBackup, PortableAppsMenu, SpeedCrunchPortable, SpyDLLRemover, StellariumPortable, SumatraPDFPortable, TeamViewerPortable<br>Toucan, UltraVNCViewer Portable, UnlockerPortable, VirtualDubPortable, VirtualMagnifyingGlassPortable, VLCPortable, WinDirStatPortable, winMd5SumPortable, WinMergePortable, WiresharkPortable<br>Adobe\_Reader\_9.0\_Lite\_ENG.exe, aida32, CCleaner, F-Secure Blacklight, freecap\_nosetup\_eng, GMER, HTMLTidy, httrack-noinst, ifunbox\_en, LubbosFanControl\_0\_1\_4, Microsoft Visual SourceSafe, PdaNet for iPhone<br>PowerISO, ProcessMonitor, Profiles, Proxifier PE, RootkitRevealer, Spybot - Search &amp; Destroy, Spybot Search And Destroy.lnk, StartPortableApps.exe, Stress Prime, Styler, TcpView, TrueCrypt<br>TweakUI, UltraISO Premium Edition 8.6.3 Build 2056.exe, uTorrent, VeryPDF PDF Editor.exe, WinRAR Unplugged</p><p>Portable Apps on Truecrypt file-volume (saves passwords to encrypted files):<br>Opera1010usb, aMSNPortable, FirefoxPortable, GoogleChromePortable, KeePassPortable, PidginPortable, PuTTYPortable, SkypePortable, ThunderbirdPortable, WinSCPPortable</p><p>Take back control over your apps and start using portable apps. Its worth the small extra footprint in startup, since your PC will run smoother without all the extra hooks into the OS, and the extra spyware companies like to push down your throat! Most of these even updates cleanly while staying portable!</p><p>Even though most proprietary apps have installers, if they are simple, odds are you can probably run them portable also, or find a version which is tweaked to run portable *cough cough*<br>Quick recipe: Just copy the files to another location, uninstall the sucker, and pray all the features works<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)<br>PortableApps.com is a good resource for getting free portable apps, and many of those utilities are good enough alternatives to commercial software as well.<br>Their setup is tweaked to be run on USB drives, which also fits into our paradigm of taking back control over our apps and not mess up our PCs.</p><p>Good luck and spread the word!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Portable apps doesnt leave anything in your registry ( ideally ) , so you can just run the app , close / move / copy it , put it on a USB-drive or whatever you want without worry : ) It also makes it much faster to backup your whole app collection , or duplicate / sync your setup across machines.Am currently running all of these software as portable apps , and only have a few apps left which are too embedded in the OS to be portable ( like iTunes for my iPhone ( neva gon na buy Apple again !
! , and Windows Media Player , but with VLC and DIVX weplayer available I never use that much ; ) I have even seen Photoshop as portable somewhere , but doesnt use it nowadays so not sure how well that works.My current Portable Apps list : 2XClient , 7-ZipPortable , AudacityPortable , BonkEncPortable , CelestiaPortable , ClamWinPortable , ConvertAllPortable , CoolPlayer + Portable , EraserDropPortable , EraserPortable , GIMPPortableInfraRecorderPortable , Java , JavaPortableLauncher , KompoZerPortable , LightscreenPortable , MPlayerPortable , Notepad + + Portable , On-ScreenKeyboardPortable , OpenOfficePortable , PDFTKBuilderPortable , PortableApps.com , PortableAppsBackup , PortableAppsMenu , SpeedCrunchPortable , SpyDLLRemover , StellariumPortable , SumatraPDFPortable , TeamViewerPortableToucan , UltraVNCViewer Portable , UnlockerPortable , VirtualDubPortable , VirtualMagnifyingGlassPortable , VLCPortable , WinDirStatPortable , winMd5SumPortable , WinMergePortable , WiresharkPortableAdobe \ _Reader \ _9.0 \ _Lite \ _ENG.exe , aida32 , CCleaner , F-Secure Blacklight , freecap \ _nosetup \ _eng , GMER , HTMLTidy , httrack-noinst , ifunbox \ _en , LubbosFanControl \ _0 \ _1 \ _4 , Microsoft Visual SourceSafe , PdaNet for iPhonePowerISO , ProcessMonitor , Profiles , Proxifier PE , RootkitRevealer , Spybot - Search &amp; Destroy , Spybot Search And Destroy.lnk , StartPortableApps.exe , Stress Prime , Styler , TcpView , TrueCryptTweakUI , UltraISO Premium Edition 8.6.3 Build 2056.exe , uTorrent , VeryPDF PDF Editor.exe , WinRAR UnpluggedPortable Apps on Truecrypt file-volume ( saves passwords to encrypted files ) : Opera1010usb , aMSNPortable , FirefoxPortable , GoogleChromePortable , KeePassPortable , PidginPortable , PuTTYPortable , SkypePortable , ThunderbirdPortable , WinSCPPortableTake back control over your apps and start using portable apps .
Its worth the small extra footprint in startup , since your PC will run smoother without all the extra hooks into the OS , and the extra spyware companies like to push down your throat !
Most of these even updates cleanly while staying portable ! Even though most proprietary apps have installers , if they are simple , odds are you can probably run them portable also , or find a version which is tweaked to run portable * cough cough * Quick recipe : Just copy the files to another location , uninstall the sucker , and pray all the features works ; - ) PortableApps.com is a good resource for getting free portable apps , and many of those utilities are good enough alternatives to commercial software as well.Their setup is tweaked to be run on USB drives , which also fits into our paradigm of taking back control over our apps and not mess up our PCs.Good luck and spread the word !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Portable apps doesnt leave anything in your registry (ideally), so you can just run the app, close / move / copy it, put it on a USB-drive or whatever you want without worry :)It also makes it much faster to backup your whole app collection, or duplicate / sync your setup across machines.Am currently running all of these software as portable apps, and only have a few apps left which are too embedded in the OS to be portable (like iTunes for my iPhone (neva gonna buy Apple again!
!, and Windows Media Player, but with VLC and DIVX weplayer available I never use that much ;)I have even seen Photoshop as portable somewhere, but doesnt use it nowadays so not sure how well that works.My current Portable Apps list:2XClient, 7-ZipPortable, AudacityPortable, BonkEncPortable, CelestiaPortable, ClamWinPortable, ConvertAllPortable, CoolPlayer+Portable, EraserDropPortable, EraserPortable, GIMPPortableInfraRecorderPortable, Java, JavaPortableLauncher, KompoZerPortable, LightscreenPortable, MPlayerPortable, Notepad++Portable, On-ScreenKeyboardPortable, OpenOfficePortable, PDFTKBuilderPortable, PortableApps.com, PortableAppsBackup, PortableAppsMenu, SpeedCrunchPortable, SpyDLLRemover, StellariumPortable, SumatraPDFPortable, TeamViewerPortableToucan, UltraVNCViewer Portable, UnlockerPortable, VirtualDubPortable, VirtualMagnifyingGlassPortable, VLCPortable, WinDirStatPortable, winMd5SumPortable, WinMergePortable, WiresharkPortableAdobe\_Reader\_9.0\_Lite\_ENG.exe, aida32, CCleaner, F-Secure Blacklight, freecap\_nosetup\_eng, GMER, HTMLTidy, httrack-noinst, ifunbox\_en, LubbosFanControl\_0\_1\_4, Microsoft Visual SourceSafe, PdaNet for iPhonePowerISO, ProcessMonitor, Profiles, Proxifier PE, RootkitRevealer, Spybot - Search &amp; Destroy, Spybot Search And Destroy.lnk, StartPortableApps.exe, Stress Prime, Styler, TcpView, TrueCryptTweakUI, UltraISO Premium Edition 8.6.3 Build 2056.exe, uTorrent, VeryPDF PDF Editor.exe, WinRAR UnpluggedPortable Apps on Truecrypt file-volume (saves passwords to encrypted files):Opera1010usb, aMSNPortable, FirefoxPortable, GoogleChromePortable, KeePassPortable, PidginPortable, PuTTYPortable, SkypePortable, ThunderbirdPortable, WinSCPPortableTake back control over your apps and start using portable apps.
Its worth the small extra footprint in startup, since your PC will run smoother without all the extra hooks into the OS, and the extra spyware companies like to push down your throat!
Most of these even updates cleanly while staying portable!Even though most proprietary apps have installers, if they are simple, odds are you can probably run them portable also, or find a version which is tweaked to run portable *cough cough*Quick recipe: Just copy the files to another location, uninstall the sucker, and pray all the features works ;-)PortableApps.com is a good resource for getting free portable apps, and many of those utilities are good enough alternatives to commercial software as well.Their setup is tweaked to be run on USB drives, which also fits into our paradigm of taking back control over our apps and not mess up our PCs.Good luck and spread the word!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206250</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1266584520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But not enough to stop using iTunes it would seem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But not enough to stop using iTunes it would seem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But not enough to stop using iTunes it would seem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206228</id>
	<title>Re:Bonjour</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266584460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its installed because its part of iTunes, why do people fail to understand this?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:\ Its used to detect iTunes Remotes and what not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its installed because its part of iTunes , why do people fail to understand this ?
: \ Its used to detect iTunes Remotes and what not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its installed because its part of iTunes, why do people fail to understand this?
:\ Its used to detect iTunes Remotes and what not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31205560</id>
	<title>Consider using Google Pack (w updater)</title>
	<author>get quad</author>
	<datestamp>1266580680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://pack.google.com/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://pack.google.com/</a> [google.com]

This is too cool for school - by selecting the programs you want through Google Pack, a special exe will be created for download which installs these programs and the google updater which runs as a scheduled task. Easy button FTW.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //pack.google.com/ [ google.com ] This is too cool for school - by selecting the programs you want through Google Pack , a special exe will be created for download which installs these programs and the google updater which runs as a scheduled task .
Easy button FTW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://pack.google.com/ [google.com]

This is too cool for school - by selecting the programs you want through Google Pack, a special exe will be created for download which installs these programs and the google updater which runs as a scheduled task.
Easy button FTW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_223211.31206904</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise there....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266590940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, maybe you should learn what a Download Manager is then. My favourite for Firefox is DownThemAll.<br>A good download manager can find and download from multiple sources, resume downloads (if server permits) and some other minor stuff.<br>You dont have to have one, but they're pretty neat if your connection is flaky, or youve got a fast connection to do multiple sources.</p><p>iTunes etc., are not Download Managers. Sun has <b>bad</b> "download managers", but Im sure there is no intent to evil there, just incompetence and over-willingness to use Java.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , maybe you should learn what a Download Manager is then .
My favourite for Firefox is DownThemAll.A good download manager can find and download from multiple sources , resume downloads ( if server permits ) and some other minor stuff.You dont have to have one , but they 're pretty neat if your connection is flaky , or youve got a fast connection to do multiple sources.iTunes etc. , are not Download Managers .
Sun has bad " download managers " , but Im sure there is no intent to evil there , just incompetence and over-willingness to use Java .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, maybe you should learn what a Download Manager is then.
My favourite for Firefox is DownThemAll.A good download manager can find and download from multiple sources, resume downloads (if server permits) and some other minor stuff.You dont have to have one, but they're pretty neat if your connection is flaky, or youve got a fast connection to do multiple sources.iTunes etc., are not Download Managers.
Sun has bad "download managers", but Im sure there is no intent to evil there, just incompetence and over-willingness to use Java.</sentencetext>
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