<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_19_2135254</id>
	<title>Details Emerge On EU-Only "Browser Choice" Screen For Windows</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266576780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Simmeh writes <i>"Microsoft have posted <a href="http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/mscorp/archive/2010/02/19/the-browser-choice-screen-for-europe-what-to-expect-when-to-expect-it.aspx">screenshots</a> and details on their upcoming '<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8524019.stm">web browser choice screen</a>.' Requirements include being in Europe, and having Internet Explorer set as your default browser. It comes with a few surprises, as the software automatically unpins Internet Explorer from your taskbar, and offers 11 alternative browsers."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simmeh writes " Microsoft have posted screenshots and details on their upcoming 'web browser choice screen .
' Requirements include being in Europe , and having Internet Explorer set as your default browser .
It comes with a few surprises , as the software automatically unpins Internet Explorer from your taskbar , and offers 11 alternative browsers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simmeh writes "Microsoft have posted screenshots and details on their upcoming 'web browser choice screen.
' Requirements include being in Europe, and having Internet Explorer set as your default browser.
It comes with a few surprises, as the software automatically unpins Internet Explorer from your taskbar, and offers 11 alternative browsers.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205778</id>
	<title>No longer true!</title>
	<author>MonTemplar</author>
	<datestamp>1266581880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows Update has been separated from IE in both Vista and Windows 7 - and apparently it will be backported to XP at some point in the future.</p><p>-MT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows Update has been separated from IE in both Vista and Windows 7 - and apparently it will be backported to XP at some point in the future.-MT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows Update has been separated from IE in both Vista and Windows 7 - and apparently it will be backported to XP at some point in the future.-MT.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205700</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205578</id>
	<title>Mirror....</title>
	<author>ZiakII</author>
	<datestamp>1266580800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The site with the picture did not load for me, I found the image on The Register with story listed <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/19/microsoft\_browser\_screen/print.html" title="theregister.co.uk">here.</a> [theregister.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The site with the picture did not load for me , I found the image on The Register with story listed here .
[ theregister.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The site with the picture did not load for me, I found the image on The Register with story listed here.
[theregister.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31214398</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>Jedi Alec</author>
	<datestamp>1266671100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ehmm, in the previous situation your typical clueless user had no idea there was such a thing as an alternative browser and thus among this specific group use of IE was 100\%. Care to explain how presenting them with a choice will increase that number?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ehmm , in the previous situation your typical clueless user had no idea there was such a thing as an alternative browser and thus among this specific group use of IE was 100 \ % .
Care to explain how presenting them with a choice will increase that number ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ehmm, in the previous situation your typical clueless user had no idea there was such a thing as an alternative browser and thus among this specific group use of IE was 100\%.
Care to explain how presenting them with a choice will increase that number?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31208608</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205998</id>
	<title>Does IE "security" sabotage Firefox download?</title>
	<author>chriscorbell</author>
	<datestamp>1266583080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone recently tried to use IE to download firefox?  Does IE adopt "security" policies to make it harder to download and install Firefox?

I was experimenting with a fresh 2008 Server instance in EC2 the other day and needed to download some open-source packages to install.  I found that IE was super paranoid about any download, especially from a mirror site, and would put up a security warning, make me click OK to whitelist the site, and then go back and try the download again.  I went through all the settigns dialogs I could find trying to turn off this "feature" to no avail.

Turns out if you download Firefox from the mozilla site it will redirect you to a different mirror each time - meaning you can do this dance repeatedly and never actually satisfy IE's bizarre "security".  The workaround is to delve into one of the mirror sites and navigate to the download you need.

I'm not a paranoid type but I find myself questioning whether this wasn't a deliberate "how can we make it a PITA to download Firefox" move by the IE crew.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone recently tried to use IE to download firefox ?
Does IE adopt " security " policies to make it harder to download and install Firefox ?
I was experimenting with a fresh 2008 Server instance in EC2 the other day and needed to download some open-source packages to install .
I found that IE was super paranoid about any download , especially from a mirror site , and would put up a security warning , make me click OK to whitelist the site , and then go back and try the download again .
I went through all the settigns dialogs I could find trying to turn off this " feature " to no avail .
Turns out if you download Firefox from the mozilla site it will redirect you to a different mirror each time - meaning you can do this dance repeatedly and never actually satisfy IE 's bizarre " security " .
The workaround is to delve into one of the mirror sites and navigate to the download you need .
I 'm not a paranoid type but I find myself questioning whether this was n't a deliberate " how can we make it a PITA to download Firefox " move by the IE crew .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone recently tried to use IE to download firefox?
Does IE adopt "security" policies to make it harder to download and install Firefox?
I was experimenting with a fresh 2008 Server instance in EC2 the other day and needed to download some open-source packages to install.
I found that IE was super paranoid about any download, especially from a mirror site, and would put up a security warning, make me click OK to whitelist the site, and then go back and try the download again.
I went through all the settigns dialogs I could find trying to turn off this "feature" to no avail.
Turns out if you download Firefox from the mozilla site it will redirect you to a different mirror each time - meaning you can do this dance repeatedly and never actually satisfy IE's bizarre "security".
The workaround is to delve into one of the mirror sites and navigate to the download you need.
I'm not a paranoid type but I find myself questioning whether this wasn't a deliberate "how can we make it a PITA to download Firefox" move by the IE crew.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206976</id>
	<title>Re:11 browsers</title>
	<author>guyminuslife</author>
	<datestamp>1266591660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are offering a choice of 11 different web browsers with new versions of Microsoft Windows, including:</p><p>Microsoft Browsers:<br>Internet Explorer 6<br>Internet Explorer 7<br>Internet Explorer 8</p><p>Non-Microsoft Browsers:<br>Lynx<br>w3m<br>Mosaic<br>Safari (Macintosh only)<br>Netscape Navigator 4.08<br>Image Xplorer<br>Emacs<br>The browser from the online tutorial code for beginning KDE programming</p><p>WARNING: If you choose any of the non-Microsoft browsers in the above list, please be aware that they are THIRD PARTY applications that are UNSUPPORTED by Microsoft Corp. Microsoft makes no guarantees as to the functionality or features of any non-Microsoft browser, and disclaims any responsibility for viruses or other malware that unsupported browsers may or may not contain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are offering a choice of 11 different web browsers with new versions of Microsoft Windows , including : Microsoft Browsers : Internet Explorer 6Internet Explorer 7Internet Explorer 8Non-Microsoft Browsers : Lynxw3mMosaicSafari ( Macintosh only ) Netscape Navigator 4.08Image XplorerEmacsThe browser from the online tutorial code for beginning KDE programmingWARNING : If you choose any of the non-Microsoft browsers in the above list , please be aware that they are THIRD PARTY applications that are UNSUPPORTED by Microsoft Corp. Microsoft makes no guarantees as to the functionality or features of any non-Microsoft browser , and disclaims any responsibility for viruses or other malware that unsupported browsers may or may not contain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are offering a choice of 11 different web browsers with new versions of Microsoft Windows, including:Microsoft Browsers:Internet Explorer 6Internet Explorer 7Internet Explorer 8Non-Microsoft Browsers:Lynxw3mMosaicSafari (Macintosh only)Netscape Navigator 4.08Image XplorerEmacsThe browser from the online tutorial code for beginning KDE programmingWARNING: If you choose any of the non-Microsoft browsers in the above list, please be aware that they are THIRD PARTY applications that are UNSUPPORTED by Microsoft Corp. Microsoft makes no guarantees as to the functionality or features of any non-Microsoft browser, and disclaims any responsibility for viruses or other malware that unsupported browsers may or may not contain.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205570</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206136</id>
	<title>11 is a crafty choice by MS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266583860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a decent amount of research (although, somewhat controversial) suggesting that providing too many choices may actually impede our ability to make rational choices, and would be less likely to experiment with an unfamiliar browser. Overview of some of the research can be found on the Freakonomics blog: <a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/is-the-paradox-of-choice-not-so-paradoxical-after-all/" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/is-the-paradox-of-choice-not-so-paradoxical-after-all/</a> [nytimes.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a decent amount of research ( although , somewhat controversial ) suggesting that providing too many choices may actually impede our ability to make rational choices , and would be less likely to experiment with an unfamiliar browser .
Overview of some of the research can be found on the Freakonomics blog : http : //freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/is-the-paradox-of-choice-not-so-paradoxical-after-all/ [ nytimes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a decent amount of research (although, somewhat controversial) suggesting that providing too many choices may actually impede our ability to make rational choices, and would be less likely to experiment with an unfamiliar browser.
Overview of some of the research can be found on the Freakonomics blog: http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/is-the-paradox-of-choice-not-so-paradoxical-after-all/ [nytimes.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206066</id>
	<title>the 11 choices are</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266583500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mario<p>
Luigi</p><p>
Princess Peach</p><p>
Wario</p><p>
Yoshi</p><p>
Toad</p><p>
Donkey Kong</p><p>
what...?</p><p>
ooooh, b<b>r</b>owsers... ok, nevermind!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mario Luigi Princess Peach Wario Yoshi Toad Donkey Kong what... ?
ooooh , browsers... ok , nevermind !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mario
Luigi
Princess Peach
Wario
Yoshi
Toad
Donkey Kong
what...?
ooooh, browsers... ok, nevermind!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207530</id>
	<title>Pet peeve:</title>
	<author>Mr. DOS</author>
	<datestamp>1266597780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...people who confuse &ldquo;the Internet&rdquo; with &ldquo;the web&rdquo;.</p><p>Not like I'd expect Microsoft and their Internet Explorer (which has always targeted web browsing, barely supports FTP, and doesn't support anything else beyond handing it off to a helper program) to know the difference...</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --- Mr. DOS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...people who confuse    the Internet    with    the web    .Not like I 'd expect Microsoft and their Internet Explorer ( which has always targeted web browsing , barely supports FTP , and does n't support anything else beyond handing it off to a helper program ) to know the difference.. .       --- Mr. DOS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...people who confuse “the Internet” with “the web”.Not like I'd expect Microsoft and their Internet Explorer (which has always targeted web browsing, barely supports FTP, and doesn't support anything else beyond handing it off to a helper program) to know the difference...
      --- Mr. DOS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206304</id>
	<title>Try it out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266585120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here it is if you want to view the real thing:<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice\_en.htm" title="browserchoice.eu" rel="nofollow">http://www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice\_en.htm</a> [browserchoice.eu]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here it is if you want to view the real thing : http : //www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice \ _en.htm [ browserchoice.eu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here it is if you want to view the real thing: 

http://www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice\_en.htm [browserchoice.eu]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209096</id>
	<title>Fabolous reasoning.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266667440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most browsers have less thna 1\% penetration  because of abusive monopolistic practices that break the law, so why should the abusive monopolist be punished?</p><p>Honestly, how some of you manage to get out of bed without being overwhelmed by your flawed thinking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most browsers have less thna 1 \ % penetration because of abusive monopolistic practices that break the law , so why should the abusive monopolist be punished ? Honestly , how some of you manage to get out of bed without being overwhelmed by your flawed thinking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most browsers have less thna 1\% penetration  because of abusive monopolistic practices that break the law, so why should the abusive monopolist be punished?Honestly, how some of you manage to get out of bed without being overwhelmed by your flawed thinking?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205570</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209848</id>
	<title>Forget Lynx...</title>
	<author>Alien1024</author>
	<datestamp>1266679380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... where is telnet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... where is telnet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... where is telnet?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206578</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207310</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1266595440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IE8 is a baby step in the right direction, but it still exhibits some non-compliant CSS behaviors that FF, WebKit and Opera get right, and still requires some hacks.  Not major stuff like in IE6 and 7, but still, annoying shit that shouldn't be there.</p><p>One that I ran across recently are random double margins in certain situations.  I could not find a pattern, and had to use padding instead of margins... luckily in this case that wasn't a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IE8 is a baby step in the right direction , but it still exhibits some non-compliant CSS behaviors that FF , WebKit and Opera get right , and still requires some hacks .
Not major stuff like in IE6 and 7 , but still , annoying shit that should n't be there.One that I ran across recently are random double margins in certain situations .
I could not find a pattern , and had to use padding instead of margins... luckily in this case that was n't a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IE8 is a baby step in the right direction, but it still exhibits some non-compliant CSS behaviors that FF, WebKit and Opera get right, and still requires some hacks.
Not major stuff like in IE6 and 7, but still, annoying shit that shouldn't be there.One that I ran across recently are random double margins in certain situations.
I could not find a pattern, and had to use padding instead of margins... luckily in this case that wasn't a problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31208180</id>
	<title>Apple choice?</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1266605940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is Apple required to do something similar, to offer an alternative to Safari?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is Apple required to do something similar , to offer an alternative to Safari ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is Apple required to do something similar, to offer an alternative to Safari?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205852</id>
	<title>Re:irrelevant</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1266582240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows update has been separate from IE since Vista's launch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows update has been separate from IE since Vista 's launch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows update has been separate from IE since Vista's launch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205898</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266582600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh this "welcome to new IE8" window is annoying as hell. Try to setup multiple virtual machines - servers, clients, whatever. You HAVE to click through those options on every new VM you setup. It's a pain in the back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh this " welcome to new IE8 " window is annoying as hell .
Try to setup multiple virtual machines - servers , clients , whatever .
You HAVE to click through those options on every new VM you setup .
It 's a pain in the back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh this "welcome to new IE8" window is annoying as hell.
Try to setup multiple virtual machines - servers, clients, whatever.
You HAVE to click through those options on every new VM you setup.
It's a pain in the back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205556</id>
	<title>Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics.  Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.  I doubt it though, I don't think IE8 is bad at all but even I use Firefox.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics .
Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction .
I doubt it though , I do n't think IE8 is bad at all but even I use Firefox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics.
Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.
I doubt it though, I don't think IE8 is bad at all but even I use Firefox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31211906</id>
	<title>Rendering Engines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266696480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rendering engine used by a browser has a large impact on its support for web standards. Below is a breakdown of the rendering engines used by the twelve browsers that are being offered. Can you guess which rendering engine (which happens to be the worst at supporting standards) is represented the most?</p><p>\_\_\_Trident\_\_\_<br>Avant<br>Greenbrowser<br>Internet Explorer<br>Slimbrowser<br>Sleipnir*<br>Maxthon**</p><p>\_\_\_Gecko\_\_\_<br>Flock<br>K-meleon<br>Mozilla Firefox<br>Sleipnir*<br>Maxthon**</p><p>\_\_\_Webkit\_\_\_<br>Google Chrome<br>Safari<br>Maxthon**</p><p>\_\_\_Presto\_\_\_<br>Opera</p><p>*Sleipnir allows users to switch between Trident and Gecko. I do not know which is used by default.</p><p>*Maxthon supposedly was able to switch between Trident and Gecko in its 1.x series, uses Trident exclusively in its 2.x series, and will be able to switch between Trident and Webkit in its upcomming 3.x series. I cannot tell which version of Maxthon is being offered via the browser selector page.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rendering engine used by a browser has a large impact on its support for web standards .
Below is a breakdown of the rendering engines used by the twelve browsers that are being offered .
Can you guess which rendering engine ( which happens to be the worst at supporting standards ) is represented the most ? \ _ \ _ \ _Trident \ _ \ _ \ _AvantGreenbrowserInternet ExplorerSlimbrowserSleipnir * Maxthon * * \ _ \ _ \ _Gecko \ _ \ _ \ _FlockK-meleonMozilla FirefoxSleipnir * Maxthon * * \ _ \ _ \ _Webkit \ _ \ _ \ _Google ChromeSafariMaxthon * * \ _ \ _ \ _Presto \ _ \ _ \ _Opera * Sleipnir allows users to switch between Trident and Gecko .
I do not know which is used by default .
* Maxthon supposedly was able to switch between Trident and Gecko in its 1.x series , uses Trident exclusively in its 2.x series , and will be able to switch between Trident and Webkit in its upcomming 3.x series .
I can not tell which version of Maxthon is being offered via the browser selector page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rendering engine used by a browser has a large impact on its support for web standards.
Below is a breakdown of the rendering engines used by the twelve browsers that are being offered.
Can you guess which rendering engine (which happens to be the worst at supporting standards) is represented the most?\_\_\_Trident\_\_\_AvantGreenbrowserInternet ExplorerSlimbrowserSleipnir*Maxthon**\_\_\_Gecko\_\_\_FlockK-meleonMozilla FirefoxSleipnir*Maxthon**\_\_\_Webkit\_\_\_Google ChromeSafariMaxthon**\_\_\_Presto\_\_\_Opera*Sleipnir allows users to switch between Trident and Gecko.
I do not know which is used by default.
*Maxthon supposedly was able to switch between Trident and Gecko in its 1.x series, uses Trident exclusively in its 2.x series, and will be able to switch between Trident and Webkit in its upcomming 3.x series.
I cannot tell which version of Maxthon is being offered via the browser selector page.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207100</id>
	<title>Re:irrelevant</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1266593460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the world doesn't care to use Windows Update in the first place, hence all of Windows' security problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the world does n't care to use Windows Update in the first place , hence all of Windows ' security problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the world doesn't care to use Windows Update in the first place, hence all of Windows' security problems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205630</id>
	<title>Air France here I come!</title>
	<author>WillAffleckUW</author>
	<datestamp>1266580980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Might as well pick up some nice laptops while I'm there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Might as well pick up some nice laptops while I 'm there .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Might as well pick up some nice laptops while I'm there ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207482</id>
	<title>javascript randomness</title>
	<author>crispi</author>
	<datestamp>1266597240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>random my ass!</p><p>only appears to be random if you have javascript working (thanks noscript!) - Otherwise IE8 appears first on the list, on the left.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>random my ass ! only appears to be random if you have javascript working ( thanks noscript !
) - Otherwise IE8 appears first on the list , on the left .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>random my ass!only appears to be random if you have javascript working (thanks noscript!
) - Otherwise IE8 appears first on the list, on the left.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206148</id>
	<title>The link</title>
	<author>ivonic</author>
	<datestamp>1266583920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could just visit the browser ballot page <a href="http://www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice\_en.htm" title="browserchoice.eu" rel="nofollow">directly</a> [browserchoice.eu].
<br> <br>
For reference, the browsers listed are IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Flock, FlashPeak, K-Meleon, Avant, Maxthon, Sleipnir &amp; GreenBrowser</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could just visit the browser ballot page directly [ browserchoice.eu ] .
For reference , the browsers listed are IE , Firefox , Chrome , Safari , Opera , Flock , FlashPeak , K-Meleon , Avant , Maxthon , Sleipnir &amp; GreenBrowser</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could just visit the browser ballot page directly [browserchoice.eu].
For reference, the browsers listed are IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Flock, FlashPeak, K-Meleon, Avant, Maxthon, Sleipnir &amp; GreenBrowser</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206788</id>
	<title>Re:I can already anticipate the ignorant posts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266589560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you actually looked at the page?</p><p>IT USES JAVASCRIPT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you actually looked at the page ? IT USES JAVASCRIPT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you actually looked at the page?IT USES JAVASCRIPT.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205694</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207646</id>
	<title>Re:I can already anticipate the ignorant posts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266598920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Whaaaa!!  IE was first on the SO CALLED RANDOM browser choice list.  Obviously Microsoft weighted their algorithm to give preference to IE.  My mom and third cousin also both had IE show up first.  It's a conspiracy!"</p></div><p>
&nbsp; <br>You kid, but I've heard people accuse Microsoft of picking the Windows XP kung-fu display picture as their login picture because they had an asian name.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Whaaaa ! !
IE was first on the SO CALLED RANDOM browser choice list .
Obviously Microsoft weighted their algorithm to give preference to IE .
My mom and third cousin also both had IE show up first .
It 's a conspiracy !
"   You kid , but I 've heard people accuse Microsoft of picking the Windows XP kung-fu display picture as their login picture because they had an asian name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Whaaaa!!
IE was first on the SO CALLED RANDOM browser choice list.
Obviously Microsoft weighted their algorithm to give preference to IE.
My mom and third cousin also both had IE show up first.
It's a conspiracy!
"
  You kid, but I've heard people accuse Microsoft of picking the Windows XP kung-fu display picture as their login picture because they had an asian name.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205694</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205570</id>
	<title>11 browsers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>11 browsers? how many of them have &gt;1\%market penetration? This is going to confuse the less versed users and I bet one ballmer's chair this is intentional, divide et impera</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>11 browsers ?
how many of them have &gt; 1 \ % market penetration ?
This is going to confuse the less versed users and I bet one ballmer 's chair this is intentional , divide et impera</tokentext>
<sentencetext>11 browsers?
how many of them have &gt;1\%market penetration?
This is going to confuse the less versed users and I bet one ballmer's chair this is intentional, divide et impera</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206540</id>
	<title>Why not the direct link?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266587040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.browserchoice.eu</p><p>Unless I'm mistaken, thats the link that'll be used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.browserchoice.euUnless I 'm mistaken , thats the link that 'll be used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.browserchoice.euUnless I'm mistaken, thats the link that'll be used.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31208972</id>
	<title>Re:javascript randomness</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1266664500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why use server cycles for an effectively static page? That site is probably going to see a lot of load, running even a simple PHP (or ASP.NET, it being MS) web application seems like a lot more overhead than some static HTML page with an embedded script that uses the client to do the work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why use server cycles for an effectively static page ?
That site is probably going to see a lot of load , running even a simple PHP ( or ASP.NET , it being MS ) web application seems like a lot more overhead than some static HTML page with an embedded script that uses the client to do the work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why use server cycles for an effectively static page?
That site is probably going to see a lot of load, running even a simple PHP (or ASP.NET, it being MS) web application seems like a lot more overhead than some static HTML page with an embedded script that uses the client to do the work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31211914</id>
	<title>Re:The link</title>
	<author>davek</author>
	<datestamp>1266696480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>www.browserchoice.eu is an alias for prod.bswh.glbdns.<b>microsoft.com</b></p> </div><p>WTF?  I thought the EU decision only required that the user is able to install windows w/o installing IE automatically.  I did not know that MS is now legally required to provide free advertising to their competitors.  I'm not a microsoft fan, but I didn't realize it had gone this far...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>www.browserchoice.eu is an alias for prod.bswh.glbdns.microsoft.com WTF ?
I thought the EU decision only required that the user is able to install windows w/o installing IE automatically .
I did not know that MS is now legally required to provide free advertising to their competitors .
I 'm not a microsoft fan , but I did n't realize it had gone this far.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>www.browserchoice.eu is an alias for prod.bswh.glbdns.microsoft.com WTF?
I thought the EU decision only required that the user is able to install windows w/o installing IE automatically.
I did not know that MS is now legally required to provide free advertising to their competitors.
I'm not a microsoft fan, but I didn't realize it had gone this far...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206148</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31208448</id>
	<title>Re:I can already anticipate the ignorant posts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266697320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dave562. You are so way cool. Witty, well informed, sharp and to the point. I bet you're handsome too. You are a godsend to the gay community. Keep up the good work dude. We're behind you all the way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dave562 .
You are so way cool .
Witty , well informed , sharp and to the point .
I bet you 're handsome too .
You are a godsend to the gay community .
Keep up the good work dude .
We 're behind you all the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dave562.
You are so way cool.
Witty, well informed, sharp and to the point.
I bet you're handsome too.
You are a godsend to the gay community.
Keep up the good work dude.
We're behind you all the way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205694</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205530</id>
	<title>More to come</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be followed by Microsoft OS selection: choose between Windows, Linux and OSX!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be followed by Microsoft OS selection : choose between Windows , Linux and OSX !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be followed by Microsoft OS selection: choose between Windows, Linux and OSX!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209196</id>
	<title>Re:11 is a crafty choice by MS</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1266669480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>providing too many choices may actually impede our ability to make rational choices</p></div><p>Tell that to the Linux zealots constantly bragging that the wide variety of distros is what makes Linux so great.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>providing too many choices may actually impede our ability to make rational choicesTell that to the Linux zealots constantly bragging that the wide variety of distros is what makes Linux so great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>providing too many choices may actually impede our ability to make rational choicesTell that to the Linux zealots constantly bragging that the wide variety of distros is what makes Linux so great.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206132</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266583860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So an iPad would be perfect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So an iPad would be perfect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So an iPad would be perfect?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205934</id>
	<title>Re:11 browsers</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1266582780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera, AOL, Maxthon, K-Meleon, Flock, Avant Browser, Sleipnir and Slim Browser.</p></div><p>Ah yes, AOL... good thing that's an option!  Much better than IE.</p><p>I've heard of Avant and Flock.  I've never heard of Maxthon, Sleipnir, or Slim Browser.  I've used Avant and disliked it.</p><p>This seems remarkably<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... pointless, as someone else said.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Internet Explorer , Firefox , Safari , Chrome , Opera , AOL , Maxthon , K-Meleon , Flock , Avant Browser , Sleipnir and Slim Browser.Ah yes , AOL... good thing that 's an option !
Much better than IE.I 've heard of Avant and Flock .
I 've never heard of Maxthon , Sleipnir , or Slim Browser .
I 've used Avant and disliked it.This seems remarkably ... pointless , as someone else said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera, AOL, Maxthon, K-Meleon, Flock, Avant Browser, Sleipnir and Slim Browser.Ah yes, AOL... good thing that's an option!
Much better than IE.I've heard of Avant and Flock.
I've never heard of Maxthon, Sleipnir, or Slim Browser.
I've used Avant and disliked it.This seems remarkably ... pointless, as someone else said.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205570</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209402</id>
	<title>Re:11 browsers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because that would be a really useful option for my mum. Numbnuts. If you're testing websites in different browsers, I'd hope you're savvy enough to download those browsers, run the installer and...click install. It's not rocket science.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because that would be a really useful option for my mum .
Numbnuts. If you 're testing websites in different browsers , I 'd hope you 're savvy enough to download those browsers , run the installer and...click install .
It 's not rocket science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because that would be a really useful option for my mum.
Numbnuts. If you're testing websites in different browsers, I'd hope you're savvy enough to download those browsers, run the installer and...click install.
It's not rocket science.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206312</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206684</id>
	<title>Re:The link</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266588360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maxthon is no browser, but an IE interface</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maxthon is no browser , but an IE interface</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maxthon is no browser, but an IE interface</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206148</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205738</id>
	<title>Re:irrelevant</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1266581700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ding ding ding, you win the dumbest post of the thread award so far!</p><p>A few things.</p><p>a) It doesn't.</p><p>b) Why would anyone care that it does?  Updating the OS is an OS function, if they choose to use IE to do it that's not depriving you of "choice" any more than if they wrote a custom GUI app to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ding ding ding , you win the dumbest post of the thread award so far ! A few things.a ) It does n't.b ) Why would anyone care that it does ?
Updating the OS is an OS function , if they choose to use IE to do it that 's not depriving you of " choice " any more than if they wrote a custom GUI app to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ding ding ding, you win the dumbest post of the thread award so far!A few things.a) It doesn't.b) Why would anyone care that it does?
Updating the OS is an OS function, if they choose to use IE to do it that's not depriving you of "choice" any more than if they wrote a custom GUI app to do it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205700</id>
	<title>irrelevant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as windows update only works with internet explorer, Microsoft is still not giving users a true choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as windows update only works with internet explorer , Microsoft is still not giving users a true choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as windows update only works with internet explorer, Microsoft is still not giving users a true choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207062</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1266593040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh, I'm just waiting for the first malicious website popup that looks *exactly* like the browser choice screen to appear.</p><p>You're using IE8, visit a website, all of a sudden a window pops up asking you if you want to install a different browser. Download and instant box pwnage.</p><p>You think Granny is going to know the difference, especially after her grandson explained "this is normal, and lets you choose other things to use" ?</p><p>Congrats EU, you've done a fine job in making people trust popups and increasing the botnet population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , I 'm just waiting for the first malicious website popup that looks * exactly * like the browser choice screen to appear.You 're using IE8 , visit a website , all of a sudden a window pops up asking you if you want to install a different browser .
Download and instant box pwnage.You think Granny is going to know the difference , especially after her grandson explained " this is normal , and lets you choose other things to use " ? Congrats EU , you 've done a fine job in making people trust popups and increasing the botnet population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, I'm just waiting for the first malicious website popup that looks *exactly* like the browser choice screen to appear.You're using IE8, visit a website, all of a sudden a window pops up asking you if you want to install a different browser.
Download and instant box pwnage.You think Granny is going to know the difference, especially after her grandson explained "this is normal, and lets you choose other things to use" ?Congrats EU, you've done a fine job in making people trust popups and increasing the botnet population.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209250</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>legio\_noctis</author>
	<datestamp>1266670380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is true, but they won't just click on a random browser: they'll just close the ballot window and ignore the fact that it keeps popping up.</p><p>I see people every day open Internet Explorer and immediately close the 'please set up your browser' window, completely ignoring it and utterly oblivious to the fact that they could change that search bar at the top right ('oh, that's a search bar?') to something useful instead of Bing. When you tell them that they should probably just click through the extremely easy set of setup screens they look at you as if you're completely insane. I have also seen somebody installing FarCry on Vista, who, having ticked the DirectX9 box even though I told them not to, when presented with a message saying something along the lines of 'Um, you can't do that', had already ejected the disk and closed the installer by the time I could open my mouth.</p><p>This can be condensed into the first rule of interface design: <strong>people ignore <em>everything</em> you tell them, even if it is blindingly, patronisingly obvious.</strong> Yet, somehow, they still manage to click on adverts to install Zwinky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true , but they wo n't just click on a random browser : they 'll just close the ballot window and ignore the fact that it keeps popping up.I see people every day open Internet Explorer and immediately close the 'please set up your browser ' window , completely ignoring it and utterly oblivious to the fact that they could change that search bar at the top right ( 'oh , that 's a search bar ?
' ) to something useful instead of Bing .
When you tell them that they should probably just click through the extremely easy set of setup screens they look at you as if you 're completely insane .
I have also seen somebody installing FarCry on Vista , who , having ticked the DirectX9 box even though I told them not to , when presented with a message saying something along the lines of 'Um , you ca n't do that ' , had already ejected the disk and closed the installer by the time I could open my mouth.This can be condensed into the first rule of interface design : people ignore everything you tell them , even if it is blindingly , patronisingly obvious .
Yet , somehow , they still manage to click on adverts to install Zwinky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true, but they won't just click on a random browser: they'll just close the ballot window and ignore the fact that it keeps popping up.I see people every day open Internet Explorer and immediately close the 'please set up your browser' window, completely ignoring it and utterly oblivious to the fact that they could change that search bar at the top right ('oh, that's a search bar?
') to something useful instead of Bing.
When you tell them that they should probably just click through the extremely easy set of setup screens they look at you as if you're completely insane.
I have also seen somebody installing FarCry on Vista, who, having ticked the DirectX9 box even though I told them not to, when presented with a message saying something along the lines of 'Um, you can't do that', had already ejected the disk and closed the installer by the time I could open my mouth.This can be condensed into the first rule of interface design: people ignore everything you tell them, even if it is blindingly, patronisingly obvious.
Yet, somehow, they still manage to click on adverts to install Zwinky.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206704</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31213144</id>
	<title>Huh... the site's already online...</title>
	<author>netsharc</author>
	<datestamp>1266661020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just noticed the URL in the screenshot: <a href="http://www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice\_en.htm" title="browserchoice.eu">www.browserchoice.eu</a> [browserchoice.eu], and the site is already online!</p><p>On the first load, it gave me the choices in the order similar to the screenshot, interestingly enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just noticed the URL in the screenshot : www.browserchoice.eu [ browserchoice.eu ] , and the site is already online ! On the first load , it gave me the choices in the order similar to the screenshot , interestingly enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just noticed the URL in the screenshot: www.browserchoice.eu [browserchoice.eu], and the site is already online!On the first load, it gave me the choices in the order similar to the screenshot, interestingly enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207170</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Wayne247</author>
	<datestamp>1266594120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's really something to witness. I was next to a coworker that was telling me about the damn window that popped up everytime he launched IE8 and didn't know what to do about it. I tell him "Read it?" he goes "okay fine", he reads it skipping every other word, then goes "Well? I don't want anything so waht do I click?"</p><p>As an IT administrator, I would like to tape iPads in front of user's screens. This is going to be so simple they can't do it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's really something to witness .
I was next to a coworker that was telling me about the damn window that popped up everytime he launched IE8 and did n't know what to do about it .
I tell him " Read it ?
" he goes " okay fine " , he reads it skipping every other word , then goes " Well ?
I do n't want anything so waht do I click ?
" As an IT administrator , I would like to tape iPads in front of user 's screens .
This is going to be so simple they ca n't do it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's really something to witness.
I was next to a coworker that was telling me about the damn window that popped up everytime he launched IE8 and didn't know what to do about it.
I tell him "Read it?
" he goes "okay fine", he reads it skipping every other word, then goes "Well?
I don't want anything so waht do I click?
"As an IT administrator, I would like to tape iPads in front of user's screens.
This is going to be so simple they can't do it wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205812</id>
	<title>Re:/.'d already?</title>
	<author>Jorl17</author>
	<datestamp>1266582000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>/.? No, it's a mental hallucination. Go back to sleep and it shall be reborn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>/. ?
No , it 's a mental hallucination .
Go back to sleep and it shall be reborn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/.?
No, it's a mental hallucination.
Go back to sleep and it shall be reborn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209028</id>
	<title>The layout engines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266665700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IE, Maxthon, Sleipnir, Avant, GreenBrowser, Flashpeak: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident\_(layout\_engine)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">MS Trident</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>Firefox, Flock, K-Meleon: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko\_(layout\_engine)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Mozilla Gecko</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>Chrome, Safari: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Webkit</a> [wikipedia.org]/<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khtml" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">KHTML</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>Opera: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto\_(layout\_engine)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Presto</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IE , Maxthon , Sleipnir , Avant , GreenBrowser , Flashpeak : MS Trident [ wikipedia.org ] Firefox , Flock , K-Meleon : Mozilla Gecko [ wikipedia.org ] Chrome , Safari : Webkit [ wikipedia.org ] /KHTML [ wikipedia.org ] Opera : Presto [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IE, Maxthon, Sleipnir, Avant, GreenBrowser, Flashpeak: MS Trident [wikipedia.org]Firefox, Flock, K-Meleon: Mozilla Gecko [wikipedia.org]Chrome, Safari: Webkit [wikipedia.org]/KHTML [wikipedia.org]Opera: Presto [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205694</id>
	<title>I can already anticipate the ignorant posts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Microsoft agreed to use Windows Update to provide a browser choice screen to <b>Windows users in Europe who are running Internet Explorer as their default browser.</b> </i> </p><p>Who wants to bet we are going to see posts here after this feature is rolled out from users who <b>don't</b> have IE configured as their default browser?  They will be complaining about not being presented with a choice of alternate browsers, even though they have already selected one.</p><p>Furthermore, the article states that the top browsers (Firefox, Opera, Chrome, IE) are going to be presented in random order.  I can't wait for the whines from people who happen to see IE as the random first choice.</p><p>Here, I'll come up with one for you guys.</p><p>"Whaaaa!!  IE was first on the SO CALLED RANDOM browser choice list.  Obviously Microsoft weighted their algorithm to give preference to IE.  My mom and third cousin also both had IE show up first.  It's a conspiracy!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft agreed to use Windows Update to provide a browser choice screen to Windows users in Europe who are running Internet Explorer as their default browser .
Who wants to bet we are going to see posts here after this feature is rolled out from users who do n't have IE configured as their default browser ?
They will be complaining about not being presented with a choice of alternate browsers , even though they have already selected one.Furthermore , the article states that the top browsers ( Firefox , Opera , Chrome , IE ) are going to be presented in random order .
I ca n't wait for the whines from people who happen to see IE as the random first choice.Here , I 'll come up with one for you guys. " Whaaaa ! !
IE was first on the SO CALLED RANDOM browser choice list .
Obviously Microsoft weighted their algorithm to give preference to IE .
My mom and third cousin also both had IE show up first .
It 's a conspiracy !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft agreed to use Windows Update to provide a browser choice screen to Windows users in Europe who are running Internet Explorer as their default browser.
Who wants to bet we are going to see posts here after this feature is rolled out from users who don't have IE configured as their default browser?
They will be complaining about not being presented with a choice of alternate browsers, even though they have already selected one.Furthermore, the article states that the top browsers (Firefox, Opera, Chrome, IE) are going to be presented in random order.
I can't wait for the whines from people who happen to see IE as the random first choice.Here, I'll come up with one for you guys."Whaaaa!!
IE was first on the SO CALLED RANDOM browser choice list.
Obviously Microsoft weighted their algorithm to give preference to IE.
My mom and third cousin also both had IE show up first.
It's a conspiracy!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206270</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>mr\_lizard13</author>
	<datestamp>1266584700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> everything is designed to work in IE, less so with firefox and way less so with any other choice</p></div><p>
Whilst I think that's not really the case these days (5 years ago perhaps), I really can't see how people will find a browser like Firefox, Chrome, Safari etc any more difficult to use than IE.
<br>
<br>
They all have navigation buttons, some sort of address/search bar, tabs, etc etc.
<br>
<br>
They all work very well.  They all work with all the important plugins.  And they all look and function more or less the same.
<br>
<br>
Some would argue that they function better than the leading browser, too.
<br>
<br>
I understand what you mean though about menus and choices adding complexity.  But really, this ballot screen ain't that hard to figure out.  Computers have to present the user with a choice from time to time.  They're not appliances. At some point, the user will have to make a choice about something.
<br>
<br>
Not ideal, but better than letting IE get a free ride.  The web gets better for everyone the more choice there is, even if that means confusing a few million people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>everything is designed to work in IE , less so with firefox and way less so with any other choice Whilst I think that 's not really the case these days ( 5 years ago perhaps ) , I really ca n't see how people will find a browser like Firefox , Chrome , Safari etc any more difficult to use than IE .
They all have navigation buttons , some sort of address/search bar , tabs , etc etc .
They all work very well .
They all work with all the important plugins .
And they all look and function more or less the same .
Some would argue that they function better than the leading browser , too .
I understand what you mean though about menus and choices adding complexity .
But really , this ballot screen ai n't that hard to figure out .
Computers have to present the user with a choice from time to time .
They 're not appliances .
At some point , the user will have to make a choice about something .
Not ideal , but better than letting IE get a free ride .
The web gets better for everyone the more choice there is , even if that means confusing a few million people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> everything is designed to work in IE, less so with firefox and way less so with any other choice
Whilst I think that's not really the case these days (5 years ago perhaps), I really can't see how people will find a browser like Firefox, Chrome, Safari etc any more difficult to use than IE.
They all have navigation buttons, some sort of address/search bar, tabs, etc etc.
They all work very well.
They all work with all the important plugins.
And they all look and function more or less the same.
Some would argue that they function better than the leading browser, too.
I understand what you mean though about menus and choices adding complexity.
But really, this ballot screen ain't that hard to figure out.
Computers have to present the user with a choice from time to time.
They're not appliances.
At some point, the user will have to make a choice about something.
Not ideal, but better than letting IE get a free ride.
The web gets better for everyone the more choice there is, even if that means confusing a few million people.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206374</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>headbulb</author>
	<datestamp>1266585840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I agree that Microsoft's IE is bloated and shouldn't show that dialog on start. I strongly disagree that somehow users that chose another browser like Chrome or safari will be confused. Those two alternative options are much easier for a user then the default IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree that Microsoft 's IE is bloated and should n't show that dialog on start .
I strongly disagree that somehow users that chose another browser like Chrome or safari will be confused .
Those two alternative options are much easier for a user then the default IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree that Microsoft's IE is bloated and shouldn't show that dialog on start.
I strongly disagree that somehow users that chose another browser like Chrome or safari will be confused.
Those two alternative options are much easier for a user then the default IE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31210254</id>
	<title>why</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266684300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i don't understand why the EU is making microsoft do this. hopefully it doesn't happen in the usa. anyway somebody has already started a petition to microsoft to not do it:<br>http://www.petitiononline.com/t647lf75/petition.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i do n't understand why the EU is making microsoft do this .
hopefully it does n't happen in the usa .
anyway somebody has already started a petition to microsoft to not do it : http : //www.petitiononline.com/t647lf75/petition.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i don't understand why the EU is making microsoft do this.
hopefully it doesn't happen in the usa.
anyway somebody has already started a petition to microsoft to not do it:http://www.petitiononline.com/t647lf75/petition.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209704</id>
	<title>Other practises of bundling</title>
	<author>janwedekind</author>
	<datestamp>1266677040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question is where does the manufacturer's choice stop and where does the customer's choice start. But there are many more examples which clearly don't have a technical justification:</p><ul><li>OEM deals, pre-installed Windows Vista on a PC (without installation media, with backup partitions taking up the whole hard disk)</li><li>Microsoft site-license and campus-license</li><li>Pre-installed MacOS on Apple computers</li><li>Contract phones (and netbooks), SIM-locks</li><li>Apple iTunes tying music and books to a certain device</li><li>Microsoft XBox and Windows Live</li><li>Apple iPhone and AppStore</li><li>Amazon Kindle, eBooks</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is where does the manufacturer 's choice stop and where does the customer 's choice start .
But there are many more examples which clearly do n't have a technical justification : OEM deals , pre-installed Windows Vista on a PC ( without installation media , with backup partitions taking up the whole hard disk ) Microsoft site-license and campus-licensePre-installed MacOS on Apple computersContract phones ( and netbooks ) , SIM-locksApple iTunes tying music and books to a certain deviceMicrosoft XBox and Windows LiveApple iPhone and AppStoreAmazon Kindle , eBooks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is where does the manufacturer's choice stop and where does the customer's choice start.
But there are many more examples which clearly don't have a technical justification:OEM deals, pre-installed Windows Vista on a PC (without installation media, with backup partitions taking up the whole hard disk)Microsoft site-license and campus-licensePre-installed MacOS on Apple computersContract phones (and netbooks), SIM-locksApple iTunes tying music and books to a certain deviceMicrosoft XBox and Windows LiveApple iPhone and AppStoreAmazon Kindle, eBooks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31218424</id>
	<title>Re:11 is a crafty choice by MS</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1266767520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Limiting the number of choices would give rise to many "how about me!" browser-maker complaints. The easiest choice is between two options. The biggest are now IE and FF. Do you want to favour them so much and exclude all competition? If not then you have to provide more options. Idealistically with space for any browser vendor to have their product "advertised" that way, but then again that would really give a too long list.
</p><p>All in all seeing the screenshots it looks quite reasonable how they present the first five with their official short description, with choice for some more obscure choices as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Limiting the number of choices would give rise to many " how about me !
" browser-maker complaints .
The easiest choice is between two options .
The biggest are now IE and FF .
Do you want to favour them so much and exclude all competition ?
If not then you have to provide more options .
Idealistically with space for any browser vendor to have their product " advertised " that way , but then again that would really give a too long list .
All in all seeing the screenshots it looks quite reasonable how they present the first five with their official short description , with choice for some more obscure choices as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Limiting the number of choices would give rise to many "how about me!
" browser-maker complaints.
The easiest choice is between two options.
The biggest are now IE and FF.
Do you want to favour them so much and exclude all competition?
If not then you have to provide more options.
Idealistically with space for any browser vendor to have their product "advertised" that way, but then again that would really give a too long list.
All in all seeing the screenshots it looks quite reasonable how they present the first five with their official short description, with choice for some more obscure choices as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205568</id>
	<title>/.'d already?</title>
	<author>drachenstern</author>
	<datestamp>1266580740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The link isn't working, taking way too long... did we really<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.-effect a Microsoft server? Too funny. Although, it's most likely not on the main Microsoft cloud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The link is n't working , taking way too long... did we really /.-effect a Microsoft server ?
Too funny .
Although , it 's most likely not on the main Microsoft cloud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The link isn't working, taking way too long... did we really /.-effect a Microsoft server?
Too funny.
Although, it's most likely not on the main Microsoft cloud.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207110</id>
	<title>Still waiting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266593640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...for when the EU will level the playing field and REQUIRE Apple and all flavors of linux to do the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...for when the EU will level the playing field and REQUIRE Apple and all flavors of linux to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...for when the EU will level the playing field and REQUIRE Apple and all flavors of linux to do the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205794</id>
	<title>Article Text</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Over the next few weeks, Microsoft will begin offering a &ldquo;Web browser choice screen&rdquo; to Internet Explorer users in Europe, as required by the European Commission. Internal testing of the choice screen is underway now. We&rsquo;ll begin a limited roll-out externally next week, and expect that a full scale roll-out will begin around March 1, a couple of weeks ahead of schedule. If you are an Internet Explorer user in Europe, here is what to expect.</p><p>First, a little background. In December, the European Commission and Microsoft arrived at a resolution of a number of long-standing competition law issues. Microsoft made a legally binding commitment that PC manufacturers and users will continue to be able to install any browser on Windows, to make any browser the default browser, and to turn access to Internet Explorer on or off. In addition, Microsoft agreed to use Windows Update to provide a browser choice screen to Windows users in Europe who are running Internet Explorer as their default browser. This browser choice screen will present a list of browsers, with links to learn more about them and install them. The design and operation of this choice screen was worked out in the course of extensive discussions with the Commission and is reflected in the commitment that Microsoft made. Users who get the choice screen will be free to choose any browser or stick with the browser they have, as they prefer.</p><p>External testing of the choice screen will begin next week in three countries: the United Kingdom, Belgium and France. Anyone in those countries who wishes to test it can download the browser choice screen software update from Windows Update. We plan to begin a phased roll-out of the update across Europe the week of March 1.</p><p>The browser choice screen software update will be offered as an automatic download through Windows Update for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7. The software update will be installed automatically, or will prompt you to download or install it, depending on which operating system you are running and your settings for Windows Update. If you do not have automatic updating enabled, you can get the choice screen by going to Windows Update and clicking on &ldquo;Check for Updates.&rdquo;</p><p>If you are running Internet Explorer as your default browser, here is what you will see after the software update is installed. An introductory screen appears first. In the screen shot below we added a few comment bubbles to point out certain features. The introductory screen provides context for the next screen, which shows browser options.</p><p>Windows 7 users can &ldquo;pin&rdquo; frequently-used programs to the taskbar (shown along the bottom of the screen, above.) If Internet Explorer was &ldquo;pinned&rdquo; to your Windows 7 taskbar, the browser choice screen software update will automatically unpin it, as shown above. (Note that unpinning a program does not remove it from your computer.) Once you have selected your preferred browser, you can easily pin that browser to the taskbar just by right-clicking on the browser icon in the taskbar anytime it is running and selecting &ldquo;pin this program to taskbar.&rdquo;</p><p>If you have any trouble finding Internet Explorer after it is unpinned, just click on the Start icon at the lower-left corner of your desktop and type &ldquo;Internet Explorer&rdquo; in the search box above the Start flag. (You can find any program in this way.)</p><p>The browser choice screen, shown below, will present you with a list of leading browsers. In keeping with our agreement with the European Commission, this list is presented in random order. You can also scroll to the right to see additional browsers, which are also presented in random order. The browsers that are listed and the content relating to them will be updated from time to time. The screen provides three options: Click on &ldquo;Install&rdquo; to install one of the listed browsers. Click on &ldquo;Tell me more&rdquo; to get more information about any of the browsers. These links (and the br</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Over the next few weeks , Microsoft will begin offering a    Web browser choice screen    to Internet Explorer users in Europe , as required by the European Commission .
Internal testing of the choice screen is underway now .
We    ll begin a limited roll-out externally next week , and expect that a full scale roll-out will begin around March 1 , a couple of weeks ahead of schedule .
If you are an Internet Explorer user in Europe , here is what to expect.First , a little background .
In December , the European Commission and Microsoft arrived at a resolution of a number of long-standing competition law issues .
Microsoft made a legally binding commitment that PC manufacturers and users will continue to be able to install any browser on Windows , to make any browser the default browser , and to turn access to Internet Explorer on or off .
In addition , Microsoft agreed to use Windows Update to provide a browser choice screen to Windows users in Europe who are running Internet Explorer as their default browser .
This browser choice screen will present a list of browsers , with links to learn more about them and install them .
The design and operation of this choice screen was worked out in the course of extensive discussions with the Commission and is reflected in the commitment that Microsoft made .
Users who get the choice screen will be free to choose any browser or stick with the browser they have , as they prefer.External testing of the choice screen will begin next week in three countries : the United Kingdom , Belgium and France .
Anyone in those countries who wishes to test it can download the browser choice screen software update from Windows Update .
We plan to begin a phased roll-out of the update across Europe the week of March 1.The browser choice screen software update will be offered as an automatic download through Windows Update for Windows XP , Windows Vista and Windows 7 .
The software update will be installed automatically , or will prompt you to download or install it , depending on which operating system you are running and your settings for Windows Update .
If you do not have automatic updating enabled , you can get the choice screen by going to Windows Update and clicking on    Check for Updates.    If you are running Internet Explorer as your default browser , here is what you will see after the software update is installed .
An introductory screen appears first .
In the screen shot below we added a few comment bubbles to point out certain features .
The introductory screen provides context for the next screen , which shows browser options.Windows 7 users can    pin    frequently-used programs to the taskbar ( shown along the bottom of the screen , above .
) If Internet Explorer was    pinned    to your Windows 7 taskbar , the browser choice screen software update will automatically unpin it , as shown above .
( Note that unpinning a program does not remove it from your computer .
) Once you have selected your preferred browser , you can easily pin that browser to the taskbar just by right-clicking on the browser icon in the taskbar anytime it is running and selecting    pin this program to taskbar.    If you have any trouble finding Internet Explorer after it is unpinned , just click on the Start icon at the lower-left corner of your desktop and type    Internet Explorer    in the search box above the Start flag .
( You can find any program in this way .
) The browser choice screen , shown below , will present you with a list of leading browsers .
In keeping with our agreement with the European Commission , this list is presented in random order .
You can also scroll to the right to see additional browsers , which are also presented in random order .
The browsers that are listed and the content relating to them will be updated from time to time .
The screen provides three options : Click on    Install    to install one of the listed browsers .
Click on    Tell me more    to get more information about any of the browsers .
These links ( and the br</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over the next few weeks, Microsoft will begin offering a “Web browser choice screen” to Internet Explorer users in Europe, as required by the European Commission.
Internal testing of the choice screen is underway now.
We’ll begin a limited roll-out externally next week, and expect that a full scale roll-out will begin around March 1, a couple of weeks ahead of schedule.
If you are an Internet Explorer user in Europe, here is what to expect.First, a little background.
In December, the European Commission and Microsoft arrived at a resolution of a number of long-standing competition law issues.
Microsoft made a legally binding commitment that PC manufacturers and users will continue to be able to install any browser on Windows, to make any browser the default browser, and to turn access to Internet Explorer on or off.
In addition, Microsoft agreed to use Windows Update to provide a browser choice screen to Windows users in Europe who are running Internet Explorer as their default browser.
This browser choice screen will present a list of browsers, with links to learn more about them and install them.
The design and operation of this choice screen was worked out in the course of extensive discussions with the Commission and is reflected in the commitment that Microsoft made.
Users who get the choice screen will be free to choose any browser or stick with the browser they have, as they prefer.External testing of the choice screen will begin next week in three countries: the United Kingdom, Belgium and France.
Anyone in those countries who wishes to test it can download the browser choice screen software update from Windows Update.
We plan to begin a phased roll-out of the update across Europe the week of March 1.The browser choice screen software update will be offered as an automatic download through Windows Update for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7.
The software update will be installed automatically, or will prompt you to download or install it, depending on which operating system you are running and your settings for Windows Update.
If you do not have automatic updating enabled, you can get the choice screen by going to Windows Update and clicking on “Check for Updates.”If you are running Internet Explorer as your default browser, here is what you will see after the software update is installed.
An introductory screen appears first.
In the screen shot below we added a few comment bubbles to point out certain features.
The introductory screen provides context for the next screen, which shows browser options.Windows 7 users can “pin” frequently-used programs to the taskbar (shown along the bottom of the screen, above.
) If Internet Explorer was “pinned” to your Windows 7 taskbar, the browser choice screen software update will automatically unpin it, as shown above.
(Note that unpinning a program does not remove it from your computer.
) Once you have selected your preferred browser, you can easily pin that browser to the taskbar just by right-clicking on the browser icon in the taskbar anytime it is running and selecting “pin this program to taskbar.”If you have any trouble finding Internet Explorer after it is unpinned, just click on the Start icon at the lower-left corner of your desktop and type “Internet Explorer” in the search box above the Start flag.
(You can find any program in this way.
)The browser choice screen, shown below, will present you with a list of leading browsers.
In keeping with our agreement with the European Commission, this list is presented in random order.
You can also scroll to the right to see additional browsers, which are also presented in random order.
The browsers that are listed and the content relating to them will be updated from time to time.
The screen provides three options: Click on “Install” to install one of the listed browsers.
Click on “Tell me more” to get more information about any of the browsers.
These links (and the br</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31208608</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266657240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I'm willing to bet that IE does gain share over this. Think about it, is a user that is so clueless that they need a "help me!" screen just to install a browser, gonna go with anything they haven't heard of? Hell they don't know squat, so they will go with what looks familiar, and that is the big blue E. They won't know what its called, but they will recognize that the big blue e was what they had last time, so that is what they will go for.</p><p>

Personally I'll be more curious to see what happens when Opera STILL doesn't gain any share. I bet they'll scream about the order the browsers are presented in or something. To me this is just one more stupid hoop for MSFT to jump, just like that stupid Windows N crap. If folks didn't want Windows they'd go buy a Mac. And it isn't like installing a browser is rocket science folks. Those stupid enough to not even be able to install a browser without a ballot box will just choose IE anyway. All in all just another completely pointless exercise thought up by bureaucrats. Why am I not surprised.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I 'm willing to bet that IE does gain share over this .
Think about it , is a user that is so clueless that they need a " help me !
" screen just to install a browser , gon na go with anything they have n't heard of ?
Hell they do n't know squat , so they will go with what looks familiar , and that is the big blue E. They wo n't know what its called , but they will recognize that the big blue e was what they had last time , so that is what they will go for .
Personally I 'll be more curious to see what happens when Opera STILL does n't gain any share .
I bet they 'll scream about the order the browsers are presented in or something .
To me this is just one more stupid hoop for MSFT to jump , just like that stupid Windows N crap .
If folks did n't want Windows they 'd go buy a Mac .
And it is n't like installing a browser is rocket science folks .
Those stupid enough to not even be able to install a browser without a ballot box will just choose IE anyway .
All in all just another completely pointless exercise thought up by bureaucrats .
Why am I not surprised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I'm willing to bet that IE does gain share over this.
Think about it, is a user that is so clueless that they need a "help me!
" screen just to install a browser, gonna go with anything they haven't heard of?
Hell they don't know squat, so they will go with what looks familiar, and that is the big blue E. They won't know what its called, but they will recognize that the big blue e was what they had last time, so that is what they will go for.
Personally I'll be more curious to see what happens when Opera STILL doesn't gain any share.
I bet they'll scream about the order the browsers are presented in or something.
To me this is just one more stupid hoop for MSFT to jump, just like that stupid Windows N crap.
If folks didn't want Windows they'd go buy a Mac.
And it isn't like installing a browser is rocket science folks.
Those stupid enough to not even be able to install a browser without a ballot box will just choose IE anyway.
All in all just another completely pointless exercise thought up by bureaucrats.
Why am I not surprised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205692</id>
	<title>Re:/.'d already?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you moron, we did not "/.-effect a Microsoft Server"</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you moron , we did not " /.-effect a Microsoft Server "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you moron, we did not "/.-effect a Microsoft Server"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206704</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>nmb3000</author>
	<datestamp>1266588660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics. Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.</i></p><p>Actually, it is much more likely that IE will lose market share from this when you consider that most users:</p><ul><li>are happy with what they have</li><li>are not expecting a dialog box to jump at them</li><li>do not understand the reason for such a dialog</li><li>do not care what the dialog box says</li><li>will just want the dialog box to go away</li></ul><p>Most of them will simply click a button at random, all while wondering why their Windows is so annoying and hard to use.  The most amazing thing is that some people still think this is a good thing:</p><blockquote><div><p>"Millions of people who have never really thought about which browser to use will now be forced to make a choice," said BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones on his blog.</p></div></blockquote><p>When did <b>forcing</b> users to make a choice they don't really understand become good design?  Oh, that's right, it <b>never did</b> and this whole thing is a farce.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics .
Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.Actually , it is much more likely that IE will lose market share from this when you consider that most users : are happy with what they haveare not expecting a dialog box to jump at themdo not understand the reason for such a dialogdo not care what the dialog box sayswill just want the dialog box to go awayMost of them will simply click a button at random , all while wondering why their Windows is so annoying and hard to use .
The most amazing thing is that some people still think this is a good thing : " Millions of people who have never really thought about which browser to use will now be forced to make a choice , " said BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones on his blog.When did forcing users to make a choice they do n't really understand become good design ?
Oh , that 's right , it never did and this whole thing is a farce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics.
Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.Actually, it is much more likely that IE will lose market share from this when you consider that most users:are happy with what they haveare not expecting a dialog box to jump at themdo not understand the reason for such a dialogdo not care what the dialog box sayswill just want the dialog box to go awayMost of them will simply click a button at random, all while wondering why their Windows is so annoying and hard to use.
The most amazing thing is that some people still think this is a good thing:"Millions of people who have never really thought about which browser to use will now be forced to make a choice," said BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones on his blog.When did forcing users to make a choice they don't really understand become good design?
Oh, that's right, it never did and this whole thing is a farce.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205824</id>
	<title>Re:irrelevant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266582120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right.  They shouldn't have any sort of internal displaying method for their OS.</p><p>I'm afraid most of the world <i>doesn't care</i> that they use IE when they use Windows Update.  And those that care as much as you appear to probably don't use Windows<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
They should n't have any sort of internal displaying method for their OS.I 'm afraid most of the world does n't care that they use IE when they use Windows Update .
And those that care as much as you appear to probably do n't use Windows ; ) : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
They shouldn't have any sort of internal displaying method for their OS.I'm afraid most of the world doesn't care that they use IE when they use Windows Update.
And those that care as much as you appear to probably don't use Windows ;) :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31282144</id>
	<title>Re:I can already anticipate the ignorant posts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267127100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IE8 came up 5th on my list. So, no, it's not a conspiracy. And let's remember that a compromise was reached AFTER Microsoft volunteered to do this......,they was'nt MADE to do it, at all. I don't see what's so 'evil' about bundling your OWN software with your OWN operating system. Bloody good business sense, to me.......I use IE8 cos' it's made by Microsoft and I use the Microsoft operating system. Perhaps Google, Firefox, Opera and Safari should be forced to supply the updates for IE8, as they're SO keen on a level playing-field.</p><p>(Keep sending the cheques, Bill)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IE8 came up 5th on my list .
So , no , it 's not a conspiracy .
And let 's remember that a compromise was reached AFTER Microsoft volunteered to do this......,they was'nt MADE to do it , at all .
I do n't see what 's so 'evil ' about bundling your OWN software with your OWN operating system .
Bloody good business sense , to me.......I use IE8 cos ' it 's made by Microsoft and I use the Microsoft operating system .
Perhaps Google , Firefox , Opera and Safari should be forced to supply the updates for IE8 , as they 're SO keen on a level playing-field .
( Keep sending the cheques , Bill )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IE8 came up 5th on my list.
So, no, it's not a conspiracy.
And let's remember that a compromise was reached AFTER Microsoft volunteered to do this......,they was'nt MADE to do it, at all.
I don't see what's so 'evil' about bundling your OWN software with your OWN operating system.
Bloody good business sense, to me.......I use IE8 cos' it's made by Microsoft and I use the Microsoft operating system.
Perhaps Google, Firefox, Opera and Safari should be forced to supply the updates for IE8, as they're SO keen on a level playing-field.
(Keep sending the cheques, Bill)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206606</id>
	<title>Re:11 Browsers?</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1266587700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of them better be LYNX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of them better be LYNX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of them better be LYNX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207338</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>icebraining</author>
	<datestamp>1266595680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When did forcing users to make a choice they don't really understand become good design? Oh, that's right, it never did and this whole thing is a farce.</p></div></blockquote><p>By reducing the market share of the browser that supports less features and suffers from most attacks, we reduce the number of botnets and delays for feature support like HTML5.<br>And if the user is so clueless he can't decide one of the browsers for himself, what does he have to lose anyway?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did forcing users to make a choice they do n't really understand become good design ?
Oh , that 's right , it never did and this whole thing is a farce.By reducing the market share of the browser that supports less features and suffers from most attacks , we reduce the number of botnets and delays for feature support like HTML5.And if the user is so clueless he ca n't decide one of the browsers for himself , what does he have to lose anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did forcing users to make a choice they don't really understand become good design?
Oh, that's right, it never did and this whole thing is a farce.By reducing the market share of the browser that supports less features and suffers from most attacks, we reduce the number of botnets and delays for feature support like HTML5.And if the user is so clueless he can't decide one of the browsers for himself, what does he have to lose anyway?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209490</id>
	<title>MD5 and filesize comparsion</title>
	<author>dvh.tosomja</author>
	<datestamp>1266674100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MD5sum<br>858058d87188a12f72029d1028ffd4e6  Firefox Setup 3.6.exe from microsoft<br>dc78b7241e2b23672b680ef1f86a5130  Firefox Setup 3.6.exe from mozilla.org</p><p>8652600 bytes - Firefox Setup 3.6.exe<br>8674624 bytes - Firefox Setup 3.6-ms.exe</p><p>I wonder what are those additional 22kb...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MD5sum858058d87188a12f72029d1028ffd4e6 Firefox Setup 3.6.exe from microsoftdc78b7241e2b23672b680ef1f86a5130 Firefox Setup 3.6.exe from mozilla.org8652600 bytes - Firefox Setup 3.6.exe8674624 bytes - Firefox Setup 3.6-ms.exeI wonder what are those additional 22kb.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MD5sum858058d87188a12f72029d1028ffd4e6  Firefox Setup 3.6.exe from microsoftdc78b7241e2b23672b680ef1f86a5130  Firefox Setup 3.6.exe from mozilla.org8652600 bytes - Firefox Setup 3.6.exe8674624 bytes - Firefox Setup 3.6-ms.exeI wonder what are those additional 22kb...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207538</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266597840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still waiting for Ubuntu to get nailed with antitrust for distributing FIrefox with every new installation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still waiting for Ubuntu to get nailed with antitrust for distributing FIrefox with every new installation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still waiting for Ubuntu to get nailed with antitrust for distributing FIrefox with every new installation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205856</id>
	<title>One of the menu choices is missing</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1266582300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The one that says "Fuck the EU bureaucrats and leave my computer alone".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The one that says " Fuck the EU bureaucrats and leave my computer alone " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one that says "Fuck the EU bureaucrats and leave my computer alone".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206680</id>
	<title>Re:11 is a crafty choice by MS</title>
	<author>cynicist</author>
	<datestamp>1266588360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article,<p><div class="quote"><p> <b>The average of all these studies suggests that offering lots of extra choices seems to make no important difference either way.</b> There seem to be circumstances where choice is counterproductive but, despite looking hard for them, we don&rsquo;t yet know much about what they are. Overall, says Scheibehenne: &ldquo;If you did one of these studies tomorrow, the most probable result would be no effect.&rdquo; <b>Perhaps choice is not as paradoxical as some psychologists have come to believe. One way or another, we seem to be able to cope with it.</b></p> </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article , The average of all these studies suggests that offering lots of extra choices seems to make no important difference either way .
There seem to be circumstances where choice is counterproductive but , despite looking hard for them , we don    t yet know much about what they are .
Overall , says Scheibehenne :    If you did one of these studies tomorrow , the most probable result would be no effect.    Perhaps choice is not as paradoxical as some psychologists have come to believe .
One way or another , we seem to be able to cope with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article, The average of all these studies suggests that offering lots of extra choices seems to make no important difference either way.
There seem to be circumstances where choice is counterproductive but, despite looking hard for them, we don’t yet know much about what they are.
Overall, says Scheibehenne: “If you did one of these studies tomorrow, the most probable result would be no effect.” Perhaps choice is not as paradoxical as some psychologists have come to believe.
One way or another, we seem to be able to cope with it. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209744</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>nutshell42</author>
	<datestamp>1266677820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction. I doubt it though, I don't think IE8 is bad at all but even I use Firefox.</i> <p>

Most people who know what a browser is and who have an interest in another browser have jumped ship by now. The rest's gonna choose IE because MS were the only ones with enough brains to put "Internet" in the browser name. Internet Explorer is self-explanatory, Mozilla Firefox isn't.</p><p>
That said its impossible for IE to gain traction from a ballot screen that only appears for those who already have IE as default browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction .
I doubt it though , I do n't think IE8 is bad at all but even I use Firefox .
Most people who know what a browser is and who have an interest in another browser have jumped ship by now .
The rest 's gon na choose IE because MS were the only ones with enough brains to put " Internet " in the browser name .
Internet Explorer is self-explanatory , Mozilla Firefox is n't .
That said its impossible for IE to gain traction from a ballot screen that only appears for those who already have IE as default browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.
I doubt it though, I don't think IE8 is bad at all but even I use Firefox.
Most people who know what a browser is and who have an interest in another browser have jumped ship by now.
The rest's gonna choose IE because MS were the only ones with enough brains to put "Internet" in the browser name.
Internet Explorer is self-explanatory, Mozilla Firefox isn't.
That said its impossible for IE to gain traction from a ballot screen that only appears for those who already have IE as default browser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31208072</id>
	<title>Re:11 Browsers?</title>
	<author>cpicon92</author>
	<datestamp>1266604440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what I thought, so I went and tried the ones on the list that weren't the "Big Five." Interestingly they were all custom shells for the IE Trident rendering engine. Let's see how many years until I bother to uninstall them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I thought , so I went and tried the ones on the list that were n't the " Big Five .
" Interestingly they were all custom shells for the IE Trident rendering engine .
Let 's see how many years until I bother to uninstall them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I thought, so I went and tried the ones on the list that weren't the "Big Five.
" Interestingly they were all custom shells for the IE Trident rendering engine.
Let's see how many years until I bother to uninstall them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206312</id>
	<title>11 browsers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266585180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My first thought was "Can I tell it to load all 11 of them?"  If so, it could make the Windows box useful for real web testing.</p><p>I do most of my actual testing on my Macbook Pro, because I have 9 browsers installed there.  I also have a linux box with 5 browsers installed.  My wife has a Windows XP partition on her iMac that has 3 browsers.  For most of these, we had to download them and install them ourselves.  A working package of 11 browsers could be really handy, especially when it comes time to reformat and reinstall, which happens quite often with "lab" testing machines.</p><p>Anyone know if MS's browser installer has an "All of them" choice?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My first thought was " Can I tell it to load all 11 of them ?
" If so , it could make the Windows box useful for real web testing.I do most of my actual testing on my Macbook Pro , because I have 9 browsers installed there .
I also have a linux box with 5 browsers installed .
My wife has a Windows XP partition on her iMac that has 3 browsers .
For most of these , we had to download them and install them ourselves .
A working package of 11 browsers could be really handy , especially when it comes time to reformat and reinstall , which happens quite often with " lab " testing machines.Anyone know if MS 's browser installer has an " All of them " choice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first thought was "Can I tell it to load all 11 of them?
"  If so, it could make the Windows box useful for real web testing.I do most of my actual testing on my Macbook Pro, because I have 9 browsers installed there.
I also have a linux box with 5 browsers installed.
My wife has a Windows XP partition on her iMac that has 3 browsers.
For most of these, we had to download them and install them ourselves.
A working package of 11 browsers could be really handy, especially when it comes time to reformat and reinstall, which happens quite often with "lab" testing machines.Anyone know if MS's browser installer has an "All of them" choice?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206208</id>
	<title>Re:Does IE "security" sabotage Firefox download?</title>
	<author>ActionDesignStudios</author>
	<datestamp>1266584280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not an intentional pain in the ass because of the existence of Firefox -- IE on a server has almost always been a pain in the ass.  It's a server, they harden the browser so you can't be doing stupid things on the Internet and end up compromising your server (although I think if this is really an issue, you shouldn't be administering a server in the first place).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not an intentional pain in the ass because of the existence of Firefox -- IE on a server has almost always been a pain in the ass .
It 's a server , they harden the browser so you ca n't be doing stupid things on the Internet and end up compromising your server ( although I think if this is really an issue , you should n't be administering a server in the first place ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not an intentional pain in the ass because of the existence of Firefox -- IE on a server has almost always been a pain in the ass.
It's a server, they harden the browser so you can't be doing stupid things on the Internet and end up compromising your server (although I think if this is really an issue, you shouldn't be administering a server in the first place).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206176</id>
	<title>Re:11 browsers</title>
	<author>mr\_lizard13</author>
	<datestamp>1266584100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be better if they just made the most popular browser the default.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be better if they just made the most popular browser the default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be better if they just made the most popular browser the default.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31336634</id>
	<title>Browser selection: for all platforms</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267528380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should a browser selection option not be obligatory for all platforms, not just for Windows? <a href="http://www.browserchoices.info/" title="browserchoices.info" rel="nofollow">BrowserChoices.info</a> [browserchoices.info] lists many browsers for multiple platforms. Everyone should have the same freedom regardless of what platform they use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should a browser selection option not be obligatory for all platforms , not just for Windows ?
BrowserChoices.info [ browserchoices.info ] lists many browsers for multiple platforms .
Everyone should have the same freedom regardless of what platform they use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should a browser selection option not be obligatory for all platforms, not just for Windows?
BrowserChoices.info [browserchoices.info] lists many browsers for multiple platforms.
Everyone should have the same freedom regardless of what platform they use.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209418</id>
	<title>Re:11 browsers?</title>
	<author>Infernal Device</author>
	<datestamp>1266672840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point of the selection screen is not to provide a lab-testing box - it's to fulfill a requirement by the EU that they offer alternative browsers to non-professional consumers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point of the selection screen is not to provide a lab-testing box - it 's to fulfill a requirement by the EU that they offer alternative browsers to non-professional consumers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point of the selection screen is not to provide a lab-testing box - it's to fulfill a requirement by the EU that they offer alternative browsers to non-professional consumers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206312</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206578</id>
	<title>Missing Option</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266587520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So where's Lynx?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So where 's Lynx ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So where's Lynx?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209140</id>
	<title>Oh please.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266668100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some people around here really think that people are brain dead.</p><p>In any case, that is beyond the point. People may want many things, but those things may be against their own interests, or may abate the illegal behaviour of a third party.</p><p>I am sure people want free game consoles for example, but if they are provided by a thief that stole them first beofre giving them away, that does not mean people are entitled to have them.</p><p>Same way with browsers: people may want to forget about them and have somthing that just works, but the abusive illegal behaviour of a company has forced the EU to find contermeasures that at this point will inconvenience the public (that is what noramlly happens when somebody breaks the law: the public is inconveneinced, but that is not normally the fault of tha authorities, look at the people that think that can get away with anything<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...).</p><p>Now, if you have a better idea to promote competition and curb illegal or abusive behaviour from some companies, you are very welcome to suggest them. I for one can't see what is the unsurmountable inconveneince in clicking an icon to select a web browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people around here really think that people are brain dead.In any case , that is beyond the point .
People may want many things , but those things may be against their own interests , or may abate the illegal behaviour of a third party.I am sure people want free game consoles for example , but if they are provided by a thief that stole them first beofre giving them away , that does not mean people are entitled to have them.Same way with browsers : people may want to forget about them and have somthing that just works , but the abusive illegal behaviour of a company has forced the EU to find contermeasures that at this point will inconvenience the public ( that is what noramlly happens when somebody breaks the law : the public is inconveneinced , but that is not normally the fault of tha authorities , look at the people that think that can get away with anything ... ) .Now , if you have a better idea to promote competition and curb illegal or abusive behaviour from some companies , you are very welcome to suggest them .
I for one ca n't see what is the unsurmountable inconveneince in clicking an icon to select a web browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people around here really think that people are brain dead.In any case, that is beyond the point.
People may want many things, but those things may be against their own interests, or may abate the illegal behaviour of a third party.I am sure people want free game consoles for example, but if they are provided by a thief that stole them first beofre giving them away, that does not mean people are entitled to have them.Same way with browsers: people may want to forget about them and have somthing that just works, but the abusive illegal behaviour of a company has forced the EU to find contermeasures that at this point will inconvenience the public (that is what noramlly happens when somebody breaks the law: the public is inconveneinced, but that is not normally the fault of tha authorities, look at the people that think that can get away with anything ...).Now, if you have a better idea to promote competition and curb illegal or abusive behaviour from some companies, you are very welcome to suggest them.
I for one can't see what is the unsurmountable inconveneince in clicking an icon to select a web browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205706</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206778</id>
	<title>Re:I can already anticipate the ignorant posts</title>
	<author>Mutant321</author>
	<datestamp>1266589440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The random order makes sense, and I've seen it used in other similar situations (like the <a href="http://dnc.org.nz/story/authorised-registrars" title="dnc.org.nz" rel="nofollow">list of domain registrars</a> [dnc.org.nz] on the NZ domain name commission site). But I wonder how this randomness (and potentially other aspects of the ballot screen) are verified by the authorities. Is the code turned over to them? Or do they have to black box test it? If the latter, then maybe MS have fudged it so IE *will* appear towards the top more often.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The random order makes sense , and I 've seen it used in other similar situations ( like the list of domain registrars [ dnc.org.nz ] on the NZ domain name commission site ) .
But I wonder how this randomness ( and potentially other aspects of the ballot screen ) are verified by the authorities .
Is the code turned over to them ?
Or do they have to black box test it ?
If the latter , then maybe MS have fudged it so IE * will * appear towards the top more often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The random order makes sense, and I've seen it used in other similar situations (like the list of domain registrars [dnc.org.nz] on the NZ domain name commission site).
But I wonder how this randomness (and potentially other aspects of the ballot screen) are verified by the authorities.
Is the code turned over to them?
Or do they have to black box test it?
If the latter, then maybe MS have fudged it so IE *will* appear towards the top more often.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31209664</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266676500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Base your VMs off an image where you have already clicked through the screen?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Base your VMs off an image where you have already clicked through the screen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Base your VMs off an image where you have already clicked through the screen?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31208924</id>
	<title>Re:11 browsers</title>
	<author>Shimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1266663540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>11 browsers? how many of them have &gt;1\%market penetration? This is going to confuse the less versed users</p></div><p>Well they say 11 but it's 5 + 6 really. That is, they are randomly placed but in two groups - the big 5: IE, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Firefox are the only ones visible without scrolling. Most people aren't going to look at the 'below the fold" browsers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>11 browsers ?
how many of them have &gt; 1 \ % market penetration ?
This is going to confuse the less versed usersWell they say 11 but it 's 5 + 6 really .
That is , they are randomly placed but in two groups - the big 5 : IE , Chrome , Safari , Opera , Firefox are the only ones visible without scrolling .
Most people are n't going to look at the 'below the fold " browsers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>11 browsers?
how many of them have &gt;1\%market penetration?
This is going to confuse the less versed usersWell they say 11 but it's 5 + 6 really.
That is, they are randomly placed but in two groups - the big 5: IE, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Firefox are the only ones visible without scrolling.
Most people aren't going to look at the 'below the fold" browsers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31206482</id>
	<title>Re:Does IE "security" sabotage Firefox download?</title>
	<author>ashridah</author>
	<datestamp>1266586560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is actually a feature, as other posters have pointed out. It's called Internet explorer Enhanced Security or somesuch. You can disable it as a feature in Win2k8/Win2k3 via various means if you really want to use win2k8 as a desktop. Basically, it's the server's way of telling you you shouldn't be browsing the web, and if you try to, it's going to pester you about everything you visit.</p><p>It's a reasonable "duh" saftey net, imho, and sufficiently annoying enough to remember to minimize the RDP session and use your desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually a feature , as other posters have pointed out .
It 's called Internet explorer Enhanced Security or somesuch .
You can disable it as a feature in Win2k8/Win2k3 via various means if you really want to use win2k8 as a desktop .
Basically , it 's the server 's way of telling you you should n't be browsing the web , and if you try to , it 's going to pester you about everything you visit.It 's a reasonable " duh " saftey net , imho , and sufficiently annoying enough to remember to minimize the RDP session and use your desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually a feature, as other posters have pointed out.
It's called Internet explorer Enhanced Security or somesuch.
You can disable it as a feature in Win2k8/Win2k3 via various means if you really want to use win2k8 as a desktop.
Basically, it's the server's way of telling you you shouldn't be browsing the web, and if you try to, it's going to pester you about everything you visit.It's a reasonable "duh" saftey net, imho, and sufficiently annoying enough to remember to minimize the RDP session and use your desktop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205610</id>
	<title>11 Browsers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I honestly didn't know there were that many constantly update, up-to-spec browsers for Windows.<br> <br>

Please God don't let any of them be Netscape.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I honestly did n't know there were that many constantly update , up-to-spec browsers for Windows .
Please God do n't let any of them be Netscape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I honestly didn't know there were that many constantly update, up-to-spec browsers for Windows.
Please God don't let any of them be Netscape.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205706</id>
	<title>Pointless</title>
	<author>Sir\_Sri</author>
	<datestamp>1266581460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lovely, so now a bunch of tech savvy people are going to be getting calls asking how to make these screens go away and never come back.</p><p>Users don't want choice, they don't want complexity, menus are complexity. Even that stupid setup menu on IE when you first install it scares the hell out of people and they just have to keep clicking 'not right now' or whatever it is EVERY time they start the application because they don't know how to make it go away.  They want shit that does its thing that they don't have to think about and for whatever they're doing IE already does that.  If you have enough know how to not use IE already, you don't.  If you don't have the know how sticking some other choice for you there is just going to break stuff and confuse people.  I feel bad for people who will accidentally choose google chrome or safari and then not have a clue how to use it, and not have a clue how to immediately revert the system to what they did have that let them do whatever they were doing.</p><p>Not a bad concept in the 'when it's installed' sense, and on purely legal basis it makes sense, but it's not the sort of thing you want to be pushing out to live OS's that people are actually using right now.  Even then putting anything other than IE8 on tends to be risky, everything is designed to work in IE, less so with firefox and way less so with any other choice, that's going to hobble people who suddenly have a new browser and no idea how to make it work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lovely , so now a bunch of tech savvy people are going to be getting calls asking how to make these screens go away and never come back.Users do n't want choice , they do n't want complexity , menus are complexity .
Even that stupid setup menu on IE when you first install it scares the hell out of people and they just have to keep clicking 'not right now ' or whatever it is EVERY time they start the application because they do n't know how to make it go away .
They want shit that does its thing that they do n't have to think about and for whatever they 're doing IE already does that .
If you have enough know how to not use IE already , you do n't .
If you do n't have the know how sticking some other choice for you there is just going to break stuff and confuse people .
I feel bad for people who will accidentally choose google chrome or safari and then not have a clue how to use it , and not have a clue how to immediately revert the system to what they did have that let them do whatever they were doing.Not a bad concept in the 'when it 's installed ' sense , and on purely legal basis it makes sense , but it 's not the sort of thing you want to be pushing out to live OS 's that people are actually using right now .
Even then putting anything other than IE8 on tends to be risky , everything is designed to work in IE , less so with firefox and way less so with any other choice , that 's going to hobble people who suddenly have a new browser and no idea how to make it work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lovely, so now a bunch of tech savvy people are going to be getting calls asking how to make these screens go away and never come back.Users don't want choice, they don't want complexity, menus are complexity.
Even that stupid setup menu on IE when you first install it scares the hell out of people and they just have to keep clicking 'not right now' or whatever it is EVERY time they start the application because they don't know how to make it go away.
They want shit that does its thing that they don't have to think about and for whatever they're doing IE already does that.
If you have enough know how to not use IE already, you don't.
If you don't have the know how sticking some other choice for you there is just going to break stuff and confuse people.
I feel bad for people who will accidentally choose google chrome or safari and then not have a clue how to use it, and not have a clue how to immediately revert the system to what they did have that let them do whatever they were doing.Not a bad concept in the 'when it's installed' sense, and on purely legal basis it makes sense, but it's not the sort of thing you want to be pushing out to live OS's that people are actually using right now.
Even then putting anything other than IE8 on tends to be risky, everything is designed to work in IE, less so with firefox and way less so with any other choice, that's going to hobble people who suddenly have a new browser and no idea how to make it work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31210440</id>
	<title>Re:Post-ballot data</title>
	<author>dotancohen</author>
	<datestamp>1266686100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics.  Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.</p></div><p>Actually reading the choices and the explanations on the Browser Choice screen, if one were to ignore the names of the browser I'd chose IE8. The Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari text sound like cheap spam advertising, while the IE text sounds honest.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics .
Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.Actually reading the choices and the explanations on the Browser Choice screen , if one were to ignore the names of the browser I 'd chose IE8 .
The Chrome , Firefox , Opera , and Safari text sound like cheap spam advertising , while the IE text sounds honest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be interesting to see if this has any effect on browser usage statistics.
Would be hilariously funny if IE actually gains traction.Actually reading the choices and the explanations on the Browser Choice screen, if one were to ignore the names of the browser I'd chose IE8.
The Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari text sound like cheap spam advertising, while the IE text sounds honest.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31207252</id>
	<title>Re:11 browsers?</title>
	<author>0232793</author>
	<datestamp>1266594720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>About half of them use Trident from IE, so what's the point in testing them specifically?</htmltext>
<tokenext>About half of them use Trident from IE , so what 's the point in testing them specifically ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About half of them use Trident from IE, so what's the point in testing them specifically?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31215108</id>
	<title>Re:javascript randomness</title>
	<author>Zxern</author>
	<datestamp>1266677280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>If you're smart enough to run with noscript then you don't need the browser selection hand holding to begin with.&nbsp; </tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're smart enough to run with noscript then you do n't need the browser selection hand holding to begin with.  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're smart enough to run with noscript then you don't need the browser selection hand holding to begin with.  </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2135254.31205914</id>
	<title>Re:11 Browsers?</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1266582660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I honestly didn't know there were that many constantly update, up-to-spec
  browsers for Windows.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
See? That's the benefit of having a totally professional system with an ultra-stable, totally dependable and unchanging set of system DLLs, so the programmers can totally concentrate on the specs of their browsers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I honestly did n't know there were that many constantly update , up-to-spec browsers for Windows .
See ? That 's the benefit of having a totally professional system with an ultra-stable , totally dependable and unchanging set of system DLLs , so the programmers can totally concentrate on the specs of their browsers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I honestly didn't know there were that many constantly update, up-to-spec
  browsers for Windows.
See? That's the benefit of having a totally professional system with an ultra-stable, totally dependable and unchanging set of system DLLs, so the programmers can totally concentrate on the specs of their browsers.
	</sentencetext>
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