<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_19_1924212</id>
	<title>eBay Urges Rethink On EU Plan's "Brick and Mortar" Vendor Requirement</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266607800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>mernil writes with this snippet from Reuters: <i>"According to a draft regulation drawn up by the European Commission and seen by Reuters, suppliers may be allowed to <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61H3AN20100218">require that distributors have a 'brick-and-mortar' shop</a> before they can sell online. The proposed rules would replace existing guidelines exempting companies from strict EU competition rules under certain circumstances. Those rules expire at the end of May."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>mernil writes with this snippet from Reuters : " According to a draft regulation drawn up by the European Commission and seen by Reuters , suppliers may be allowed to require that distributors have a 'brick-and-mortar ' shop before they can sell online .
The proposed rules would replace existing guidelines exempting companies from strict EU competition rules under certain circumstances .
Those rules expire at the end of May .
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<sentencetext>mernil writes with this snippet from Reuters: "According to a draft regulation drawn up by the European Commission and seen by Reuters, suppliers may be allowed to require that distributors have a 'brick-and-mortar' shop before they can sell online.
The proposed rules would replace existing guidelines exempting companies from strict EU competition rules under certain circumstances.
Those rules expire at the end of May.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31207118</id>
	<title>Re:No words</title>
	<author>qnetter</author>
	<datestamp>1266593760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you READ the story?  The proposed law does not allow GOVERNMENTS to restrict sales to online retailers that have brick-and-mortar shops.  It allows SUPPLIERS to allow their goods to be sold only by online retailers who have brick-and-mortar stores.</p><p>Since suppliers should be free to control who sells their products in any way they choose that does not violate protected-class laws, they should be free to do so.  Hell, they should be free to allow their products only to be sold by companies whose names start with an S, or stores on the odd-numbered side of the street.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you READ the story ?
The proposed law does not allow GOVERNMENTS to restrict sales to online retailers that have brick-and-mortar shops .
It allows SUPPLIERS to allow their goods to be sold only by online retailers who have brick-and-mortar stores.Since suppliers should be free to control who sells their products in any way they choose that does not violate protected-class laws , they should be free to do so .
Hell , they should be free to allow their products only to be sold by companies whose names start with an S , or stores on the odd-numbered side of the street .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you READ the story?
The proposed law does not allow GOVERNMENTS to restrict sales to online retailers that have brick-and-mortar shops.
It allows SUPPLIERS to allow their goods to be sold only by online retailers who have brick-and-mortar stores.Since suppliers should be free to control who sells their products in any way they choose that does not violate protected-class laws, they should be free to do so.
Hell, they should be free to allow their products only to be sold by companies whose names start with an S, or stores on the odd-numbered side of the street.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204778</id>
	<title>Business Opportunity</title>
	<author>schwep</author>
	<datestamp>1266576720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Buy a small brick &amp; mortar location (it can be out of the way - that's not the point).<br>2. 'Host' a virtual business store front in a portion of your location for a monthly fee.<br>3. To keep the overhead low, only be open for 1 hour a day &amp; require that there be no products available for sale.<br>4. Only accept cash.<br>5. The money from sales made (which there shouldn't be) go to the brick &amp; mortar business owner.</p><p>It's just like web hosting, except your' renting virtual brick &amp; mortar space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Buy a small brick &amp; mortar location ( it can be out of the way - that 's not the point ) .2 .
'Host ' a virtual business store front in a portion of your location for a monthly fee.3 .
To keep the overhead low , only be open for 1 hour a day &amp; require that there be no products available for sale.4 .
Only accept cash.5 .
The money from sales made ( which there should n't be ) go to the brick &amp; mortar business owner.It 's just like web hosting , except your ' renting virtual brick &amp; mortar space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Buy a small brick &amp; mortar location (it can be out of the way - that's not the point).2.
'Host' a virtual business store front in a portion of your location for a monthly fee.3.
To keep the overhead low, only be open for 1 hour a day &amp; require that there be no products available for sale.4.
Only accept cash.5.
The money from sales made (which there shouldn't be) go to the brick &amp; mortar business owner.It's just like web hosting, except your' renting virtual brick &amp; mortar space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202888</id>
	<title>No more Beanie Babies from Norway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266612480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This law will require major reworking of Weird Al's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYokLWfqbaU" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">EBay song</a> [youtube.com].</p><p>Goodbye Beanie Babies from Norway...snif...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This law will require major reworking of Weird Al 's EBay song [ youtube.com ] .Goodbye Beanie Babies from Norway...snif.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This law will require major reworking of Weird Al's EBay song [youtube.com].Goodbye Beanie Babies from Norway...snif...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204730</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're doing this to kill unfair competition, see the shoe industry scandal, a few months ago, caused by the chinese, with the current economical crisis it's a good time to kill of those third parties that just increase the prices<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're doing this to kill unfair competition , see the shoe industry scandal , a few months ago , caused by the chinese , with the current economical crisis it 's a good time to kill of those third parties that just increase the prices .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're doing this to kill unfair competition, see the shoe industry scandal, a few months ago, caused by the chinese, with the current economical crisis it's a good time to kill of those third parties that just increase the prices ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202778</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31205548</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Q: Why would this be a good idea?<br>A: To make the monetary systems collapse and prevent normal people from making a living so they die off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Q : Why would this be a good idea ? A : To make the monetary systems collapse and prevent normal people from making a living so they die off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Q: Why would this be a good idea?A: To make the monetary systems collapse and prevent normal people from making a living so they die off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202778</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203046</id>
	<title>Re:But imagine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266570000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live by the TigerDirect.com warehouse.  its wonderful b/c they do have a storefront on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live by the TigerDirect.com warehouse .
its wonderful b/c they do have a storefront on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live by the TigerDirect.com warehouse.
its wonderful b/c they do have a storefront on it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202798</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204520</id>
	<title>So, will we see FedEx/Kinko's/eBay stores?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266575820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could eBay just work out a deal with FedEx (or whatever the major shipping carrier is in the EU) where they have a few in-store electronic "catalogs" (web browsers set to eBay's website)? Then you could come in, browse, choose an item you want, find out "Sorry, it's not in stock. We can order from our distributor.", then come back a few days and buy the item, or even have it delivered directly to your home. Maybe they could keep a few stupid things in stock, like shipping boxes and bricks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could eBay just work out a deal with FedEx ( or whatever the major shipping carrier is in the EU ) where they have a few in-store electronic " catalogs " ( web browsers set to eBay 's website ) ?
Then you could come in , browse , choose an item you want , find out " Sorry , it 's not in stock .
We can order from our distributor .
" , then come back a few days and buy the item , or even have it delivered directly to your home .
Maybe they could keep a few stupid things in stock , like shipping boxes and bricks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could eBay just work out a deal with FedEx (or whatever the major shipping carrier is in the EU) where they have a few in-store electronic "catalogs" (web browsers set to eBay's website)?
Then you could come in, browse, choose an item you want, find out "Sorry, it's not in stock.
We can order from our distributor.
", then come back a few days and buy the item, or even have it delivered directly to your home.
Maybe they could keep a few stupid things in stock, like shipping boxes and bricks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203112</id>
	<title>Re:But imagine</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1266570240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been to an online retailer's "store"/warehouse. There was a computer at the front desk, so you could place an order, and have it within a few minutes. That was all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been to an online retailer 's " store " /warehouse .
There was a computer at the front desk , so you could place an order , and have it within a few minutes .
That was all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been to an online retailer's "store"/warehouse.
There was a computer at the front desk, so you could place an order, and have it within a few minutes.
That was all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202798</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204316</id>
	<title>Re:not the end of the world</title>
	<author>Hotawa Hawk-eye</author>
	<datestamp>1266574980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So basically that eBay showroom would be a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea\_market" title="wikipedia.org">flea market</a> [wikipedia.org] or yard sale?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically that eBay showroom would be a flea market [ wikipedia.org ] or yard sale ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically that eBay showroom would be a flea market [wikipedia.org] or yard sale?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202790</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202844</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266612300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From the article</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Brand owners - often in the high-end or luxury segment - say the provision is necessary to stop so-called free riders, competitors who benefit from promotions carried out by brand name companies, shifting stock online on the back of advertising of a brand's products and services.</p><p>Because "free riders" do not have to pay for the costs of a shop and related overheads, they can frequently offer brand-name products over the Internet at discounted prices.</p><p>"The purpose of a brick-and-mortar shop provision is to help retailers invest in luxury shops," said Antoine Winkler, a partner at law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen &amp; Hamilton who represents several brand name companies.</p></div><p>I'm slightly confused. Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores? Are they doing this to help the brands? I'm confused. It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient. Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?</p></div><p>I don't know either.  Is the next move to mandate that companies selling "luxury" brands must locate their store in a high-rent part of town too?  I mean it just can't be fair if they set up a shop in the bad part of town and pay a fraction of the rent that the luxury stores pay, right?  I'm not sure where this madness would end...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the articleBrand owners - often in the high-end or luxury segment - say the provision is necessary to stop so-called free riders , competitors who benefit from promotions carried out by brand name companies , shifting stock online on the back of advertising of a brand 's products and services.Because " free riders " do not have to pay for the costs of a shop and related overheads , they can frequently offer brand-name products over the Internet at discounted prices .
" The purpose of a brick-and-mortar shop provision is to help retailers invest in luxury shops , " said Antoine Winkler , a partner at law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen &amp; Hamilton who represents several brand name companies.I 'm slightly confused .
Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores ?
Are they doing this to help the brands ?
I 'm confused .
It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient .
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea ? I do n't know either .
Is the next move to mandate that companies selling " luxury " brands must locate their store in a high-rent part of town too ?
I mean it just ca n't be fair if they set up a shop in the bad part of town and pay a fraction of the rent that the luxury stores pay , right ?
I 'm not sure where this madness would end.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the articleBrand owners - often in the high-end or luxury segment - say the provision is necessary to stop so-called free riders, competitors who benefit from promotions carried out by brand name companies, shifting stock online on the back of advertising of a brand's products and services.Because "free riders" do not have to pay for the costs of a shop and related overheads, they can frequently offer brand-name products over the Internet at discounted prices.
"The purpose of a brick-and-mortar shop provision is to help retailers invest in luxury shops," said Antoine Winkler, a partner at law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen &amp; Hamilton who represents several brand name companies.I'm slightly confused.
Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores?
Are they doing this to help the brands?
I'm confused.
It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient.
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?I don't know either.
Is the next move to mandate that companies selling "luxury" brands must locate their store in a high-rent part of town too?
I mean it just can't be fair if they set up a shop in the bad part of town and pay a fraction of the rent that the luxury stores pay, right?
I'm not sure where this madness would end...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203726</id>
	<title>Re:No words</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1266572400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>straneg

still if this passes the is a business opertunity running a B&amp;M store for internet retailers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) <p>

a big wharehouse and a few clerks, oh soory sir yes the unmade up road is on our to fix list and yes Famer Jones should realy have fixed that gate but i'me shure those dents from that champaion bull will buff right out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>straneg still if this passes the is a business opertunity running a B&amp;M store for internet retailers : - ) a big wharehouse and a few clerks , oh soory sir yes the unmade up road is on our to fix list and yes Famer Jones should realy have fixed that gate but i'me shure those dents from that champaion bull will buff right out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>straneg

still if this passes the is a business opertunity running a B&amp;M store for internet retailers :-) 

a big wharehouse and a few clerks, oh soory sir yes the unmade up road is on our to fix list and yes Famer Jones should realy have fixed that gate but i'me shure those dents from that champaion bull will buff right out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204406</id>
	<title>Turnabout is fair play</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266575400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like this requirement. I think they should also require that all brick-and-mortar stores have an online store that sells everything they have in the brick-and-mortar store, and always be up to date.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like this requirement .
I think they should also require that all brick-and-mortar stores have an online store that sells everything they have in the brick-and-mortar store , and always be up to date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like this requirement.
I think they should also require that all brick-and-mortar stores have an online store that sells everything they have in the brick-and-mortar store, and always be up to date.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203400</id>
	<title>Webspace providers, discussion boards</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1266571260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>This'll be great for webspace providers and discussion boards like Slashdot. I'd love to go to a brick and mortar store for these things. They could have them hanging like gift cards. "Yes, two websites please, a first post, three replies, and two +1 Funny moderations please. How much?"... "Yeah, paper is fine."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>This 'll be great for webspace providers and discussion boards like Slashdot .
I 'd love to go to a brick and mortar store for these things .
They could have them hanging like gift cards .
" Yes , two websites please , a first post , three replies , and two + 1 Funny moderations please .
How much ? " .. .
" Yeah , paper is fine .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This'll be great for webspace providers and discussion boards like Slashdot.
I'd love to go to a brick and mortar store for these things.
They could have them hanging like gift cards.
"Yes, two websites please, a first post, three replies, and two +1 Funny moderations please.
How much?"...
"Yeah, paper is fine.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31279752</id>
	<title>Re:Please see the bigger picture of WHY !!!!!</title>
	<author>Lodragandraoidh</author>
	<datestamp>1267102800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The EU can't regulate external states.</p><p>I'm sure the requirement to block all non-brick-and-mortar companies (e-bay, amazon, etc) on the intrawebs will go over like a lead balloon there.  China might be able to pull that off...not the EU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU ca n't regulate external states.I 'm sure the requirement to block all non-brick-and-mortar companies ( e-bay , amazon , etc ) on the intrawebs will go over like a lead balloon there .
China might be able to pull that off...not the EU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU can't regulate external states.I'm sure the requirement to block all non-brick-and-mortar companies (e-bay, amazon, etc) on the intrawebs will go over like a lead balloon there.
China might be able to pull that off...not the EU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202660</id>
	<title>eBay is the devil</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266611520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>eBay is the devil</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>eBay is the devil</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eBay is the devil</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31205090</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266578160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?</p></div><p>Because we are losing the fabric on which our communities have been based on, and replacing it with an ultra-materialistic future where few ever have to leave their house or interact with people in person, jobs and products become homogenized, and the people who are best in a position to serve their community are unable to because of the artificially low prices of online retailers (which I can only assume will cause economic and social problems when the alternatives to online shopping have been removed - see Wal*Mart, for example).</p><p>I'm not a Luddite, and I even use Amazon fairly frequently, and I know this is a bit of a slippery-slope argument, but it is not one without merit.  We are destroying our past without coming up with decent alternatives for the future.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone know why this would be a good idea ? Because we are losing the fabric on which our communities have been based on , and replacing it with an ultra-materialistic future where few ever have to leave their house or interact with people in person , jobs and products become homogenized , and the people who are best in a position to serve their community are unable to because of the artificially low prices of online retailers ( which I can only assume will cause economic and social problems when the alternatives to online shopping have been removed - see Wal * Mart , for example ) .I 'm not a Luddite , and I even use Amazon fairly frequently , and I know this is a bit of a slippery-slope argument , but it is not one without merit .
We are destroying our past without coming up with decent alternatives for the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?Because we are losing the fabric on which our communities have been based on, and replacing it with an ultra-materialistic future where few ever have to leave their house or interact with people in person, jobs and products become homogenized, and the people who are best in a position to serve their community are unable to because of the artificially low prices of online retailers (which I can only assume will cause economic and social problems when the alternatives to online shopping have been removed - see Wal*Mart, for example).I'm not a Luddite, and I even use Amazon fairly frequently, and I know this is a bit of a slippery-slope argument, but it is not one without merit.
We are destroying our past without coming up with decent alternatives for the future.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31206028</id>
	<title>Re:This will have little impact.</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1266583320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not all online retailers have warehouses; some are home-based businesses, selling niche products at quantities only sufficient to employ one or two people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all online retailers have warehouses ; some are home-based businesses , selling niche products at quantities only sufficient to employ one or two people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all online retailers have warehouses; some are home-based businesses, selling niche products at quantities only sufficient to employ one or two people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204798</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203666</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>should\_be\_linear</author>
	<datestamp>1266572160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a EU citizen, I expect Commission will soon figure they did something \_really\_ stupid \_again\_.   Therefore, next provision will enable *SOME* shops (enumerated in 1200 pages book) to remain online-only. For enumerating all privileged online shops and nagotieting per-member country number, European Online Retail Agency will be established (EORA) in, say, Rome, with huge building and army of translators and other staff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a EU citizen , I expect Commission will soon figure they did something \ _really \ _ stupid \ _again \ _ .
Therefore , next provision will enable * SOME * shops ( enumerated in 1200 pages book ) to remain online-only .
For enumerating all privileged online shops and nagotieting per-member country number , European Online Retail Agency will be established ( EORA ) in , say , Rome , with huge building and army of translators and other staff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a EU citizen, I expect Commission will soon figure they did something \_really\_ stupid \_again\_.
Therefore, next provision will enable *SOME* shops (enumerated in 1200 pages book) to remain online-only.
For enumerating all privileged online shops and nagotieting per-member country number, European Online Retail Agency will be established (EORA) in, say, Rome, with huge building and army of translators and other staff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203288</id>
	<title>EU arrogance ?</title>
	<author>BlueTrin</author>
	<datestamp>1266570900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am living in the EU, and I think the EU should maybe start by having a real government before to be so quick on judging on other matters, it feels much like the EU is a group of country trying to chase their lost empire in the 19th century or so<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br> <br>
The EU government seems to think that they are the most important in the world while neither China or the US care about them as Obama showed recently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am living in the EU , and I think the EU should maybe start by having a real government before to be so quick on judging on other matters , it feels much like the EU is a group of country trying to chase their lost empire in the 19th century or so .. . The EU government seems to think that they are the most important in the world while neither China or the US care about them as Obama showed recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am living in the EU, and I think the EU should maybe start by having a real government before to be so quick on judging on other matters, it feels much like the EU is a group of country trying to chase their lost empire in the 19th century or so ... 
The EU government seems to think that they are the most important in the world while neither China or the US care about them as Obama showed recently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31205380</id>
	<title>Re:Easy to fulfil</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1266579540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I and several hundred other people would each like to sublet a square foot of your shop:)  Hell, doing it this way the overheads would be negligible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I and several hundred other people would each like to sublet a square foot of your shop : ) Hell , doing it this way the overheads would be negligible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I and several hundred other people would each like to sublet a square foot of your shop:)  Hell, doing it this way the overheads would be negligible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203846</id>
	<title>Re:No words</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lived in Germany for the past four years and while it's a beautiful country with lots of nice things to see, it is a pain-in-the-a$$ to "live" there. Prices and regulations are ridiculous, try to go shopping on Sunday. See what you end up paying for an item (after currency conversion) in a store, compared to what it sells for on-line (include S&amp;H), on average it&rsquo;s anywhere between $50 - $100 dollars more. Example, need a color printer pronto? Go to a local store and pay anywhere from 100 - 160 Euros for a $99 dollar printer you could purchase on-line.<br>I wonder how these EU country&rsquo;s can even keep pace with the world economy when they refuse to adapt to a modern world when they want to hang onto the traditions of these little &ldquo;mom &amp; pop&rdquo; shops that can&rsquo;t compete. So the EU enacts all these crazy anti-completive laws as not to drive them out of business, but all it does is stifle people from spending on the local economy and going elsewhere for purchases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lived in Germany for the past four years and while it 's a beautiful country with lots of nice things to see , it is a pain-in-the-a $ $ to " live " there .
Prices and regulations are ridiculous , try to go shopping on Sunday .
See what you end up paying for an item ( after currency conversion ) in a store , compared to what it sells for on-line ( include S&amp;H ) , on average it    s anywhere between $ 50 - $ 100 dollars more .
Example , need a color printer pronto ?
Go to a local store and pay anywhere from 100 - 160 Euros for a $ 99 dollar printer you could purchase on-line.I wonder how these EU country    s can even keep pace with the world economy when they refuse to adapt to a modern world when they want to hang onto the traditions of these little    mom &amp; pop    shops that can    t compete .
So the EU enacts all these crazy anti-completive laws as not to drive them out of business , but all it does is stifle people from spending on the local economy and going elsewhere for purchases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lived in Germany for the past four years and while it's a beautiful country with lots of nice things to see, it is a pain-in-the-a$$ to "live" there.
Prices and regulations are ridiculous, try to go shopping on Sunday.
See what you end up paying for an item (after currency conversion) in a store, compared to what it sells for on-line (include S&amp;H), on average it’s anywhere between $50 - $100 dollars more.
Example, need a color printer pronto?
Go to a local store and pay anywhere from 100 - 160 Euros for a $99 dollar printer you could purchase on-line.I wonder how these EU country’s can even keep pace with the world economy when they refuse to adapt to a modern world when they want to hang onto the traditions of these little “mom &amp; pop” shops that can’t compete.
So the EU enacts all these crazy anti-completive laws as not to drive them out of business, but all it does is stifle people from spending on the local economy and going elsewhere for purchases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31207026</id>
	<title>sort of have this already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266592380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We sort of have this in the US for one type of business.  Federal firearms license holders (except C&amp;R that aren't dealers) are required to have a published location and hours of business.  You can sell guns professionally out of your garage or kitchen, but your garage or kitchen must be regularly publicly accessible with defined opening hours. Of course you can't sell guns online across state lines anyway except to other FFL holders.  But still, to even get the license you need to have a brick and mortar shop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We sort of have this in the US for one type of business .
Federal firearms license holders ( except C&amp;R that are n't dealers ) are required to have a published location and hours of business .
You can sell guns professionally out of your garage or kitchen , but your garage or kitchen must be regularly publicly accessible with defined opening hours .
Of course you ca n't sell guns online across state lines anyway except to other FFL holders .
But still , to even get the license you need to have a brick and mortar shop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We sort of have this in the US for one type of business.
Federal firearms license holders (except C&amp;R that aren't dealers) are required to have a published location and hours of business.
You can sell guns professionally out of your garage or kitchen, but your garage or kitchen must be regularly publicly accessible with defined opening hours.
Of course you can't sell guns online across state lines anyway except to other FFL holders.
But still, to even get the license you need to have a brick and mortar shop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204662</id>
	<title>This is stupid</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1266576360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why? what the fuck? this probably is to make these brick &amp; mortar shops be able to compete with the online ones. so is a anti-competitive measure, but since we sell online to the world, will harm our industry.<br>Why again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
what the fuck ?
this probably is to make these brick &amp; mortar shops be able to compete with the online ones .
so is a anti-competitive measure , but since we sell online to the world , will harm our industry.Why again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
what the fuck?
this probably is to make these brick &amp; mortar shops be able to compete with the online ones.
so is a anti-competitive measure, but since we sell online to the world, will harm our industry.Why again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203376</id>
	<title>So..</title>
	<author>TechnicalFool</author>
	<datestamp>1266571200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The big guys would buy some relatively cheap shack, bung a couple of PCs in there for EPOS and use it as a warehouse-cum-shop, a bit like a single Argos store but smaller.

Meanwhile your smaller setups who can't afford a "brick and mortar" presence are screwed.

Nice one, EU!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The big guys would buy some relatively cheap shack , bung a couple of PCs in there for EPOS and use it as a warehouse-cum-shop , a bit like a single Argos store but smaller .
Meanwhile your smaller setups who ca n't afford a " brick and mortar " presence are screwed .
Nice one , EU !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big guys would buy some relatively cheap shack, bung a couple of PCs in there for EPOS and use it as a warehouse-cum-shop, a bit like a single Argos store but smaller.
Meanwhile your smaller setups who can't afford a "brick and mortar" presence are screwed.
Nice one, EU!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204798</id>
	<title>This will have little impact.</title>
	<author>Jailbrekr</author>
	<datestamp>1266576780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>all an online retailer has to do is open up a small sale office at their warehouse where people can order and pay for products by ID/SKU. Voila! Instant Brick and Mortar store. Hell, setting up a lemonade stand in the warehouse parking lot would qualify as a brick and mortar store as long as you charge VAT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>all an online retailer has to do is open up a small sale office at their warehouse where people can order and pay for products by ID/SKU .
Voila ! Instant Brick and Mortar store .
Hell , setting up a lemonade stand in the warehouse parking lot would qualify as a brick and mortar store as long as you charge VAT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all an online retailer has to do is open up a small sale office at their warehouse where people can order and pay for products by ID/SKU.
Voila! Instant Brick and Mortar store.
Hell, setting up a lemonade stand in the warehouse parking lot would qualify as a brick and mortar store as long as you charge VAT.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203982</id>
	<title>Re:No words</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1266573360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have a warehouse, so they can easily make a brick and mortar one out of it. Nobody says it has to be cheaper or easy accesible or even customer friendly. Just make a store the size of a phone booth and explain clearly that it will be more expensive if they buy stuff there and the service will be lousy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have a warehouse , so they can easily make a brick and mortar one out of it .
Nobody says it has to be cheaper or easy accesible or even customer friendly .
Just make a store the size of a phone booth and explain clearly that it will be more expensive if they buy stuff there and the service will be lousy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have a warehouse, so they can easily make a brick and mortar one out of it.
Nobody says it has to be cheaper or easy accesible or even customer friendly.
Just make a store the size of a phone booth and explain clearly that it will be more expensive if they buy stuff there and the service will be lousy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203900</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without RTFA, I'd guess that it is trying to address the issue of false efficiencies. The online store aren't as efficient as they appear. Take clothing for example, who goes to a real store, tries on branded clothes and then goes home and orders it online. This is a cost to the bricks and mortar stores that the online stores should actually pay.</p><p>However, the approach doesn't seem like a good way of addressing this sort of issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without RTFA , I 'd guess that it is trying to address the issue of false efficiencies .
The online store are n't as efficient as they appear .
Take clothing for example , who goes to a real store , tries on branded clothes and then goes home and orders it online .
This is a cost to the bricks and mortar stores that the online stores should actually pay.However , the approach does n't seem like a good way of addressing this sort of issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without RTFA, I'd guess that it is trying to address the issue of false efficiencies.
The online store aren't as efficient as they appear.
Take clothing for example, who goes to a real store, tries on branded clothes and then goes home and orders it online.
This is a cost to the bricks and mortar stores that the online stores should actually pay.However, the approach doesn't seem like a good way of addressing this sort of issue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31205034</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1266577800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mom and pop stores are going to go away. It's just cheaper for mom and pop to sell online and if governments care so much about the environment they'd support this transition rather than expecting everyone to have a physical shop. Protecting outdated models never works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mom and pop stores are going to go away .
It 's just cheaper for mom and pop to sell online and if governments care so much about the environment they 'd support this transition rather than expecting everyone to have a physical shop .
Protecting outdated models never works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mom and pop stores are going to go away.
It's just cheaper for mom and pop to sell online and if governments care so much about the environment they'd support this transition rather than expecting everyone to have a physical shop.
Protecting outdated models never works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203402</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266571260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"According to a draft regulation drawn up by the European Commission and seen by Reuters, suppliers may be allowed to require that distributors have a "brick-and-mortar" shop before they can sell online."</p><p>First sentence in the article.</p><p>The law would allow suppliers to require the retail stores to have a brick and mortar location before they sell, something I gues they aren't allowed to do now.  This actually sounds like the EU saying "ok, you can refuse to sell to people who don't fit your business model", which sounds fine to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" According to a draft regulation drawn up by the European Commission and seen by Reuters , suppliers may be allowed to require that distributors have a " brick-and-mortar " shop before they can sell online .
" First sentence in the article.The law would allow suppliers to require the retail stores to have a brick and mortar location before they sell , something I gues they are n't allowed to do now .
This actually sounds like the EU saying " ok , you can refuse to sell to people who do n't fit your business model " , which sounds fine to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"According to a draft regulation drawn up by the European Commission and seen by Reuters, suppliers may be allowed to require that distributors have a "brick-and-mortar" shop before they can sell online.
"First sentence in the article.The law would allow suppliers to require the retail stores to have a brick and mortar location before they sell, something I gues they aren't allowed to do now.
This actually sounds like the EU saying "ok, you can refuse to sell to people who don't fit your business model", which sounds fine to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203314</id>
	<title>I thought lost jobs was a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266571020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When a smaller number of people can supply an equal amount of goods and services, that frees up the superfluous people to do other jobs, for example supply back massages or clean windows. In net, society is better off, even if someone painfully loses their job in the short term.</p><p>This is different from another model of employment, which we may call the "Soviet" model, where something done by few people is a social ill because it deprives the remaining people of jobs.</p><p>Seriously, sometimes it seems like our European politicians are just rediscovering everything invented during the Cold War.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When a smaller number of people can supply an equal amount of goods and services , that frees up the superfluous people to do other jobs , for example supply back massages or clean windows .
In net , society is better off , even if someone painfully loses their job in the short term.This is different from another model of employment , which we may call the " Soviet " model , where something done by few people is a social ill because it deprives the remaining people of jobs.Seriously , sometimes it seems like our European politicians are just rediscovering everything invented during the Cold War .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a smaller number of people can supply an equal amount of goods and services, that frees up the superfluous people to do other jobs, for example supply back massages or clean windows.
In net, society is better off, even if someone painfully loses their job in the short term.This is different from another model of employment, which we may call the "Soviet" model, where something done by few people is a social ill because it deprives the remaining people of jobs.Seriously, sometimes it seems like our European politicians are just rediscovering everything invented during the Cold War.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202638</id>
	<title>No words</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1266611400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Living in a EU country and while lately I've been happy with EU's decisions, this is just bullshit. Not just because of eBay, but because there are several online stores in my country too that only have a website and warehouse. This includes the online stores that sell at lower price than you can find in stores and specialized stores like funny items and hot spices, hot sauces and specialized stores that import oversears and sell here.</p><p>Some of the items you can't just on normal stores. This is bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in a EU country and while lately I 've been happy with EU 's decisions , this is just bullshit .
Not just because of eBay , but because there are several online stores in my country too that only have a website and warehouse .
This includes the online stores that sell at lower price than you can find in stores and specialized stores like funny items and hot spices , hot sauces and specialized stores that import oversears and sell here.Some of the items you ca n't just on normal stores .
This is bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living in a EU country and while lately I've been happy with EU's decisions, this is just bullshit.
Not just because of eBay, but because there are several online stores in my country too that only have a website and warehouse.
This includes the online stores that sell at lower price than you can find in stores and specialized stores like funny items and hot spices, hot sauces and specialized stores that import oversears and sell here.Some of the items you can't just on normal stores.
This is bullshit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202798</id>
	<title>But imagine</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1266612120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Going to the Newegg store, where it's a warehouse with a couple of cashiers in the front.  The employees aren't there to help you they are there to get stuff to shipping.  I'd wander around there for hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going to the Newegg store , where it 's a warehouse with a couple of cashiers in the front .
The employees are n't there to help you they are there to get stuff to shipping .
I 'd wander around there for hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going to the Newegg store, where it's a warehouse with a couple of cashiers in the front.
The employees aren't there to help you they are there to get stuff to shipping.
I'd wander around there for hours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203156</id>
	<title>Re:But imagine</title>
	<author>Moheeheeko</author>
	<datestamp>1266570420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like Frys TODAY</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like Frys TODAY</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like Frys TODAY</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204724</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient. Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?</p></div><p>I sold mobile phones in a store for a while. Sometimes, people would speak to a direct seller who could offer a cheaper deal. The direct seller would advise them to come into our store so they could check out the phones to find one they like, having already offered them something that we couldn't match. So they would be wasting my time and my employers resources and the direct seller was using our store as a "free" sales aid.</p><p>I see that the proposed law allows <i>suppliers</i> to impose this condition. Having had to deal with the customers of direct sellers who didn't understand that their customer service is also provided (or not) by that direct seller (rather than our store providing them free customer service while another company took all the profit), I've got to say I can see a benefit to this, even if not in every circumstance.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient .
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea ? I sold mobile phones in a store for a while .
Sometimes , people would speak to a direct seller who could offer a cheaper deal .
The direct seller would advise them to come into our store so they could check out the phones to find one they like , having already offered them something that we could n't match .
So they would be wasting my time and my employers resources and the direct seller was using our store as a " free " sales aid.I see that the proposed law allows suppliers to impose this condition .
Having had to deal with the customers of direct sellers who did n't understand that their customer service is also provided ( or not ) by that direct seller ( rather than our store providing them free customer service while another company took all the profit ) , I 've got to say I can see a benefit to this , even if not in every circumstance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient.
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?I sold mobile phones in a store for a while.
Sometimes, people would speak to a direct seller who could offer a cheaper deal.
The direct seller would advise them to come into our store so they could check out the phones to find one they like, having already offered them something that we couldn't match.
So they would be wasting my time and my employers resources and the direct seller was using our store as a "free" sales aid.I see that the proposed law allows suppliers to impose this condition.
Having had to deal with the customers of direct sellers who didn't understand that their customer service is also provided (or not) by that direct seller (rather than our store providing them free customer service while another company took all the profit), I've got to say I can see a benefit to this, even if not in every circumstance.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31206728</id>
	<title>Anti-competitive business is bad for us all.</title>
	<author>MikeFM</author>
	<datestamp>1266588840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a retailer in the US and this is the kind of anti-competitive bullshit we have to deal with daily. We need our own rules against forcing brick and mortar stores, MAP prices, sale regions, and restrictions against online sales. If customers want the 'luxury' of a brick and mortar store let them pay a bit extra. Personally I like buying everything online and having it show up at my door at a fraction of the hassle and price. How are these restrictions from manufacturers benefiting consumers and the economy as a whole?
<p>
One of my favorite was FuelMaker. They were going bankrupt and they kept sending us cease and desist letters for selling to many of their products to people that lived where there was no authorized dealer and they refused to ship us products in a timely manner. And yes we paid a small fortune to become an authorized dealer. They kept going on about consumer safety but it's total bullshit because their products can easily be installed by anyone that can install a gas water heater or dryer. Now they've been in limbo for about a year. They supposedly aren't dead but we can't get any product. Not that they refunded our dealership fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a retailer in the US and this is the kind of anti-competitive bullshit we have to deal with daily .
We need our own rules against forcing brick and mortar stores , MAP prices , sale regions , and restrictions against online sales .
If customers want the 'luxury ' of a brick and mortar store let them pay a bit extra .
Personally I like buying everything online and having it show up at my door at a fraction of the hassle and price .
How are these restrictions from manufacturers benefiting consumers and the economy as a whole ?
One of my favorite was FuelMaker .
They were going bankrupt and they kept sending us cease and desist letters for selling to many of their products to people that lived where there was no authorized dealer and they refused to ship us products in a timely manner .
And yes we paid a small fortune to become an authorized dealer .
They kept going on about consumer safety but it 's total bullshit because their products can easily be installed by anyone that can install a gas water heater or dryer .
Now they 've been in limbo for about a year .
They supposedly are n't dead but we ca n't get any product .
Not that they refunded our dealership fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a retailer in the US and this is the kind of anti-competitive bullshit we have to deal with daily.
We need our own rules against forcing brick and mortar stores, MAP prices, sale regions, and restrictions against online sales.
If customers want the 'luxury' of a brick and mortar store let them pay a bit extra.
Personally I like buying everything online and having it show up at my door at a fraction of the hassle and price.
How are these restrictions from manufacturers benefiting consumers and the economy as a whole?
One of my favorite was FuelMaker.
They were going bankrupt and they kept sending us cease and desist letters for selling to many of their products to people that lived where there was no authorized dealer and they refused to ship us products in a timely manner.
And yes we paid a small fortune to become an authorized dealer.
They kept going on about consumer safety but it's total bullshit because their products can easily be installed by anyone that can install a gas water heater or dryer.
Now they've been in limbo for about a year.
They supposedly aren't dead but we can't get any product.
Not that they refunded our dealership fees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203884</id>
	<title>Re:No words</title>
	<author>Ruede</author>
	<datestamp>1266572940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it says may be allowed.</p><p>any sane manufacturer would not do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it says may be allowed.any sane manufacturer would not do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it says may be allowed.any sane manufacturer would not do that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31205404</id>
	<title>Re:No words</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1266579660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a simple solution that is guaranteed to piss off these paper-pushers: You get a tiny little kiosk somewhere, with one person working in it, and all they do is take orders to be shipped somewhere else. No inventory whatsoever, but it's a physical presense for that company.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a simple solution that is guaranteed to piss off these paper-pushers : You get a tiny little kiosk somewhere , with one person working in it , and all they do is take orders to be shipped somewhere else .
No inventory whatsoever , but it 's a physical presense for that company .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a simple solution that is guaranteed to piss off these paper-pushers: You get a tiny little kiosk somewhere, with one person working in it, and all they do is take orders to be shipped somewhere else.
No inventory whatsoever, but it's a physical presense for that company.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204114</id>
	<title>Brick and mortar shop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our organization doesn't need any bricks, but we would like to buy some 81mm mortars, along with HE and WP ammunition.<br>My uncle Osama will be arranging payment through the Royal Bank of Saudi Arabia.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Abudullal Bin Laden<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Al Quaeda cell 233<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Frankfurt, Germany</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our organization does n't need any bricks , but we would like to buy some 81mm mortars , along with HE and WP ammunition.My uncle Osama will be arranging payment through the Royal Bank of Saudi Arabia .
    Abudullal Bin Laden     Al Quaeda cell 233     Frankfurt , Germany</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our organization doesn't need any bricks, but we would like to buy some 81mm mortars, along with HE and WP ammunition.My uncle Osama will be arranging payment through the Royal Bank of Saudi Arabia.
    Abudullal Bin Laden
    Al Quaeda cell 233
    Frankfurt, Germany</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203252</id>
	<title>Easy to fulfil</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1266570780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Find a small village where rooms are cheap. No one will want to go there, but that doesn't matter; you don't actually plan to sell much there anyway.<br>2. Rent a small room, and pay <em>one</em> employee to be there and sell. The selling happens to be just that if someone goes to him to buy, he orders the product online to the shop address, and then the person ordering it can fetch it there. You will not sell much this way (maybe a few items per year), but then, it's only to comply to the law.<br>3. Tell the regulators about this brick-and-mortar shop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Find a small village where rooms are cheap .
No one will want to go there , but that does n't matter ; you do n't actually plan to sell much there anyway.2 .
Rent a small room , and pay one employee to be there and sell .
The selling happens to be just that if someone goes to him to buy , he orders the product online to the shop address , and then the person ordering it can fetch it there .
You will not sell much this way ( maybe a few items per year ) , but then , it 's only to comply to the law.3 .
Tell the regulators about this brick-and-mortar shop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Find a small village where rooms are cheap.
No one will want to go there, but that doesn't matter; you don't actually plan to sell much there anyway.2.
Rent a small room, and pay one employee to be there and sell.
The selling happens to be just that if someone goes to him to buy, he orders the product online to the shop address, and then the person ordering it can fetch it there.
You will not sell much this way (maybe a few items per year), but then, it's only to comply to the law.3.
Tell the regulators about this brick-and-mortar shop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31206320</id>
	<title>Re:No words</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266585300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <strong>No Words</strong></p><p>Some of the items you can't just on normal stores. This is bullshit.</p></div><p>I totally with you!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No WordsSome of the items you ca n't just on normal stores .
This is bullshit.I totally with you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> No WordsSome of the items you can't just on normal stores.
This is bullshit.I totally with you!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202972</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>compro01</author>
	<datestamp>1266612960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you owned a mom-and-pop store, I think that you would see it as a good idea.</p></div><p>And if you owned a mom-and-pop online store, I think you would see it as a horrible idea.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you owned a mom-and-pop store , I think that you would see it as a good idea.And if you owned a mom-and-pop online store , I think you would see it as a horrible idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you owned a mom-and-pop store, I think that you would see it as a good idea.And if you owned a mom-and-pop online store, I think you would see it as a horrible idea.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31205588</id>
	<title>eBay can open a store ...</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1266580860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... that sells air. Buyer supplies the packaging, though.</p><p>I believe that would take a single guy with a cash register to satisfy the legal requirements, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... that sells air .
Buyer supplies the packaging , though.I believe that would take a single guy with a cash register to satisfy the legal requirements , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... that sells air.
Buyer supplies the packaging, though.I believe that would take a single guy with a cash register to satisfy the legal requirements, no?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204414</id>
	<title>Backwards</title>
	<author>jimbob666</author>
	<datestamp>1266575460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The regression of the human race back to the caves continues. Why do the people in power have no idea about technology or progress?

ONLINE IS NOW - EMBRACE IT</htmltext>
<tokenext>The regression of the human race back to the caves continues .
Why do the people in power have no idea about technology or progress ?
ONLINE IS NOW - EMBRACE IT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The regression of the human race back to the caves continues.
Why do the people in power have no idea about technology or progress?
ONLINE IS NOW - EMBRACE IT</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203856</id>
	<title>Re:But imagine</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1266572880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My favorite <a href="http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;catalogId=10001" title="jameco.com">electronics components store</a> [jameco.com] has something like that. Or did a few years back, when I was in the Bay area on other business and stopped by one afternoon.</p><p>Their "storefront" was the front of their warehouse, a waiting-room looking area with a couple of registers and some assorted other folks behind a counter. The seating area, and the counter top, had current and recent copies of their paper catalog and big stacks of order forms.</p><p>Pick up an order form, page through the catalog, fill in your order, hand it to one of the nice folks behind the counter who goes back to the warehouse to pull your order.</p><p>A few minutes later, the nice person comes back with a basket full of your order. You have it rung up at the counter, pay, and leave with the goodies (in a plastic shopping bag, if I recall).</p><p>This is a place that almost certainly must have done most of its retail business electronically via web or email, even that long ago. So a brick-and-mortar retail nexus is entirely possible, as long as you're not a just-in-time no-inventory middleman kind of retailer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My favorite electronics components store [ jameco.com ] has something like that .
Or did a few years back , when I was in the Bay area on other business and stopped by one afternoon.Their " storefront " was the front of their warehouse , a waiting-room looking area with a couple of registers and some assorted other folks behind a counter .
The seating area , and the counter top , had current and recent copies of their paper catalog and big stacks of order forms.Pick up an order form , page through the catalog , fill in your order , hand it to one of the nice folks behind the counter who goes back to the warehouse to pull your order.A few minutes later , the nice person comes back with a basket full of your order .
You have it rung up at the counter , pay , and leave with the goodies ( in a plastic shopping bag , if I recall ) .This is a place that almost certainly must have done most of its retail business electronically via web or email , even that long ago .
So a brick-and-mortar retail nexus is entirely possible , as long as you 're not a just-in-time no-inventory middleman kind of retailer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My favorite electronics components store [jameco.com] has something like that.
Or did a few years back, when I was in the Bay area on other business and stopped by one afternoon.Their "storefront" was the front of their warehouse, a waiting-room looking area with a couple of registers and some assorted other folks behind a counter.
The seating area, and the counter top, had current and recent copies of their paper catalog and big stacks of order forms.Pick up an order form, page through the catalog, fill in your order, hand it to one of the nice folks behind the counter who goes back to the warehouse to pull your order.A few minutes later, the nice person comes back with a basket full of your order.
You have it rung up at the counter, pay, and leave with the goodies (in a plastic shopping bag, if I recall).This is a place that almost certainly must have done most of its retail business electronically via web or email, even that long ago.
So a brick-and-mortar retail nexus is entirely possible, as long as you're not a just-in-time no-inventory middleman kind of retailer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203882</id>
	<title>Re:But imagine</title>
	<author>ArhcAngel</author>
	<datestamp>1266572940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it would be more like <a href="http://www.directron.com/" title="directron.com">Directron</a> [directron.com] Their multi-acre warehouse in Houston, Texas has a small store in the front full of PC cases of every conceivable design and off-lease equipment. They also have several kiosks where you can sit down to browse their web site and order what you want. Once you order you walk over to the Will call kiosk and type in your order number to tell them you are there to pick up the merchandise. A few minutes later someone will come out from the warehouse with your stuff and process your order. It was hilarious before they moved to the bigger warehouse because the store was only big enough to fit 3 people before you couldn't open the front door. I can see it now. People opening up "storefronts" in a Public Storage space for a couple of minutes a day to get around a law like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it would be more like Directron [ directron.com ] Their multi-acre warehouse in Houston , Texas has a small store in the front full of PC cases of every conceivable design and off-lease equipment .
They also have several kiosks where you can sit down to browse their web site and order what you want .
Once you order you walk over to the Will call kiosk and type in your order number to tell them you are there to pick up the merchandise .
A few minutes later someone will come out from the warehouse with your stuff and process your order .
It was hilarious before they moved to the bigger warehouse because the store was only big enough to fit 3 people before you could n't open the front door .
I can see it now .
People opening up " storefronts " in a Public Storage space for a couple of minutes a day to get around a law like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it would be more like Directron [directron.com] Their multi-acre warehouse in Houston, Texas has a small store in the front full of PC cases of every conceivable design and off-lease equipment.
They also have several kiosks where you can sit down to browse their web site and order what you want.
Once you order you walk over to the Will call kiosk and type in your order number to tell them you are there to pick up the merchandise.
A few minutes later someone will come out from the warehouse with your stuff and process your order.
It was hilarious before they moved to the bigger warehouse because the store was only big enough to fit 3 people before you couldn't open the front door.
I can see it now.
People opening up "storefronts" in a Public Storage space for a couple of minutes a day to get around a law like this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202790</id>
	<title>not the end of the world</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1266612060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of course its anticompetitive bullshit, i guess department stores are adapting music industry tactics, complete with buying off legislators</p><p>but it would be pretty neat to have an "eBay" showroom</p><p>ebay could pick the wackiest shit: jesus on toast, my 7 year old's baby teeth, this obscene and bizarre plastic thing i bought in bangkok 3 years ago, etc., and put it on prominent display, like million dollar art work. purposefully play off a contrived vibe of reverence and awe, for really crappy mundane shit. it could be funny</p><p>then you can only buy certain stuff at say, 11 am sharp</p><p>and during checkout, if the guy behind you gives the clerk 10 cents more than your price while you are still reaching for your cash, he gets it instead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of course its anticompetitive bullshit , i guess department stores are adapting music industry tactics , complete with buying off legislatorsbut it would be pretty neat to have an " eBay " showroomebay could pick the wackiest shit : jesus on toast , my 7 year old 's baby teeth , this obscene and bizarre plastic thing i bought in bangkok 3 years ago , etc. , and put it on prominent display , like million dollar art work .
purposefully play off a contrived vibe of reverence and awe , for really crappy mundane shit .
it could be funnythen you can only buy certain stuff at say , 11 am sharpand during checkout , if the guy behind you gives the clerk 10 cents more than your price while you are still reaching for your cash , he gets it instead</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of course its anticompetitive bullshit, i guess department stores are adapting music industry tactics, complete with buying off legislatorsbut it would be pretty neat to have an "eBay" showroomebay could pick the wackiest shit: jesus on toast, my 7 year old's baby teeth, this obscene and bizarre plastic thing i bought in bangkok 3 years ago, etc., and put it on prominent display, like million dollar art work.
purposefully play off a contrived vibe of reverence and awe, for really crappy mundane shit.
it could be funnythen you can only buy certain stuff at say, 11 am sharpand during checkout, if the guy behind you gives the clerk 10 cents more than your price while you are still reaching for your cash, he gets it instead</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202736</id>
	<title>WTF</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1266611820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is one of the dumbest ideas I've heard out of a politico in a long, long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of the dumbest ideas I 've heard out of a politico in a long , long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of the dumbest ideas I've heard out of a politico in a long, long time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31207588</id>
	<title>This stuff is happening in Australia too</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1266598200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Several higher end electronics companies (Panasonic for example) have stopped selling to online-only stores.</p><p>Too many people go into the B&amp;M store, get the product demo, show the online-only store price and ask for a price match and then (when they are inevitably refused), go to the online only store and buy the product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several higher end electronics companies ( Panasonic for example ) have stopped selling to online-only stores.Too many people go into the B&amp;M store , get the product demo , show the online-only store price and ask for a price match and then ( when they are inevitably refused ) , go to the online only store and buy the product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several higher end electronics companies (Panasonic for example) have stopped selling to online-only stores.Too many people go into the B&amp;M store, get the product demo, show the online-only store price and ask for a price match and then (when they are inevitably refused), go to the online only store and buy the product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31203974</id>
	<title>Unfortunately this has been going on a while now..</title>
	<author>beset</author>
	<datestamp>1266573240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work in eCommerce, in particular the high end AV and home electricals' market.

"Premium" brands have been penalising eCommerce only ventures for a number of years now. It can be as simple as giving traditional retailers better retro (\% of turn over paid back once a year) and has harsh as limited stock. The same goes on in online photography.

To be clear, we're not an online only brand, we have a number of high street stores with decent turnover. Now, the manufacturers are getting even tougher. The amount of premium brands we've had to take off our website in the past 6 months to keep our decent terms for the traditional is shocking. These weren't small accounts either, they run into 7 figures of the UKs finest GBP.

Why? The brands think by selling online you're selling on price (which is largely true thanks to sites like pricegrabber, pricerunner, kelkoo etc) and this devalues their brand.

How they control the market is nothing short of cartel like, but it's not going to change, only get worse if this law comes into effect.

FWIW, even as someone who is struggling to do online business thanks to these they do have a point. Pure, price comparison based online shopping will eventually leave us with very few trained product experts or the ability to see products in the "flesh" before buying online. A balance needs to be found.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in eCommerce , in particular the high end AV and home electricals ' market .
" Premium " brands have been penalising eCommerce only ventures for a number of years now .
It can be as simple as giving traditional retailers better retro ( \ % of turn over paid back once a year ) and has harsh as limited stock .
The same goes on in online photography .
To be clear , we 're not an online only brand , we have a number of high street stores with decent turnover .
Now , the manufacturers are getting even tougher .
The amount of premium brands we 've had to take off our website in the past 6 months to keep our decent terms for the traditional is shocking .
These were n't small accounts either , they run into 7 figures of the UKs finest GBP .
Why ? The brands think by selling online you 're selling on price ( which is largely true thanks to sites like pricegrabber , pricerunner , kelkoo etc ) and this devalues their brand .
How they control the market is nothing short of cartel like , but it 's not going to change , only get worse if this law comes into effect .
FWIW , even as someone who is struggling to do online business thanks to these they do have a point .
Pure , price comparison based online shopping will eventually leave us with very few trained product experts or the ability to see products in the " flesh " before buying online .
A balance needs to be found .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in eCommerce, in particular the high end AV and home electricals' market.
"Premium" brands have been penalising eCommerce only ventures for a number of years now.
It can be as simple as giving traditional retailers better retro (\% of turn over paid back once a year) and has harsh as limited stock.
The same goes on in online photography.
To be clear, we're not an online only brand, we have a number of high street stores with decent turnover.
Now, the manufacturers are getting even tougher.
The amount of premium brands we've had to take off our website in the past 6 months to keep our decent terms for the traditional is shocking.
These weren't small accounts either, they run into 7 figures of the UKs finest GBP.
Why? The brands think by selling online you're selling on price (which is largely true thanks to sites like pricegrabber, pricerunner, kelkoo etc) and this devalues their brand.
How they control the market is nothing short of cartel like, but it's not going to change, only get worse if this law comes into effect.
FWIW, even as someone who is struggling to do online business thanks to these they do have a point.
Pure, price comparison based online shopping will eventually leave us with very few trained product experts or the ability to see products in the "flesh" before buying online.
A balance needs to be found.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202824</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1266612180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm slightly confused. Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores? Are they doing this to help the brands? I'm confused. It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient. Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?</p></div></blockquote><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If you owned a mom-and-pop store, I think that you would see it as a good idea.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I don't defend the concept that they are promoting, but clearly, that's one obvious example of a group that would see this as a good idea.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm slightly confused .
Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores ?
Are they doing this to help the brands ?
I 'm confused .
It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient .
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea ?
        If you owned a mom-and-pop store , I think that you would see it as a good idea .
      I do n't defend the concept that they are promoting , but clearly , that 's one obvious example of a group that would see this as a good idea .
        Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm slightly confused.
Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores?
Are they doing this to help the brands?
I'm confused.
It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient.
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?
        If you owned a mom-and-pop store, I think that you would see it as a good idea.
      I don't defend the concept that they are promoting, but clearly, that's one obvious example of a group that would see this as a good idea.
        Brett
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31208814</id>
	<title>Re:Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1266661320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the perspective of the brand owners - they want to promote their stuff in the major retailers. In recent years brands have been cooperating tightly with major stores to the point that they even send salespeople and rent store space. I feel more like I'm walking into a showroom than a retail store.<br>The retailers can have premium margins, and the major brands can be sure to stomp out pesky competition.<br>It used to be that retailers sought to purchase the best stock available and sell it at competitive prices. The only ones that still do are online retailers. And the dominant brands and retailers don't like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the perspective of the brand owners - they want to promote their stuff in the major retailers .
In recent years brands have been cooperating tightly with major stores to the point that they even send salespeople and rent store space .
I feel more like I 'm walking into a showroom than a retail store.The retailers can have premium margins , and the major brands can be sure to stomp out pesky competition.It used to be that retailers sought to purchase the best stock available and sell it at competitive prices .
The only ones that still do are online retailers .
And the dominant brands and retailers do n't like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the perspective of the brand owners - they want to promote their stuff in the major retailers.
In recent years brands have been cooperating tightly with major stores to the point that they even send salespeople and rent store space.
I feel more like I'm walking into a showroom than a retail store.The retailers can have premium margins, and the major brands can be sure to stomp out pesky competition.It used to be that retailers sought to purchase the best stock available and sell it at competitive prices.
The only ones that still do are online retailers.
And the dominant brands and retailers don't like that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31202778</id>
	<title>Luxury Brands?</title>
	<author>odin84gk</author>
	<datestamp>1266612000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Brand owners - often in the high-end or luxury segment - say the provision is necessary to stop so-called free riders, competitors who benefit from promotions carried out by brand name companies, shifting stock online on the back of advertising of a brand's products and services.</p><p>Because "free riders" do not have to pay for the costs of a shop and related overheads, they can frequently offer brand-name products over the Internet at discounted prices.</p><p>"The purpose of a brick-and-mortar shop provision is to help retailers invest in luxury shops," said Antoine Winkler, a partner at law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen &amp; Hamilton who represents several brand name companies.</p></div><p>I'm slightly confused. Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores? Are they doing this to help the brands? I'm confused. It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient. Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the articleBrand owners - often in the high-end or luxury segment - say the provision is necessary to stop so-called free riders , competitors who benefit from promotions carried out by brand name companies , shifting stock online on the back of advertising of a brand 's products and services.Because " free riders " do not have to pay for the costs of a shop and related overheads , they can frequently offer brand-name products over the Internet at discounted prices .
" The purpose of a brick-and-mortar shop provision is to help retailers invest in luxury shops , " said Antoine Winkler , a partner at law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen &amp; Hamilton who represents several brand name companies.I 'm slightly confused .
Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores ?
Are they doing this to help the brands ?
I 'm confused .
It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient .
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the articleBrand owners - often in the high-end or luxury segment - say the provision is necessary to stop so-called free riders, competitors who benefit from promotions carried out by brand name companies, shifting stock online on the back of advertising of a brand's products and services.Because "free riders" do not have to pay for the costs of a shop and related overheads, they can frequently offer brand-name products over the Internet at discounted prices.
"The purpose of a brick-and-mortar shop provision is to help retailers invest in luxury shops," said Antoine Winkler, a partner at law firm Cleary Gottlieb Steen &amp; Hamilton who represents several brand name companies.I'm slightly confused.
Are they doing this to help the brick-and-mortar stores?
Are they doing this to help the brands?
I'm confused.
It sounds like they are trying to take down low-overhead companies because they are too efficient.
Does anyone know why this would be a good idea?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204904</id>
	<title>Re:Webspace providers, discussion boards</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1266577140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But stay away from the <b>"Goatse Brother's" shop</b> on the corner. That place is a hole in the wall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But stay away from the " Goatse Brother 's " shop on the corner .
That place is a hole in the wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But stay away from the "Goatse Brother's" shop on the corner.
That place is a hole in the wall.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31205118</id>
	<title>Please see the bigger picture of WHY !!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266578280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reasons this is being pushed by the EU is this.</p><p>At the moment a TV (for example) goes from a maker in Korea to a importer in Germany, then on to a distributor, and then a retailer (either online or "bricks and mortar" ). That called a supply chain.</p><p>NOW, image a world where you order direct from the Korean factory. This is clearly a natural progression of E-commerce and technology. It is already happening with Photovoltaic cells and solar thermal panels for example. I order 25,000 USD of solar thermal last month, I saved myself about 32,000 USD by doing this !!</p><p>Well, now all the money and employment that the EU got has completely dried up because now the of busienss in the EU are able to get a cut of the supply chain.<br>VAT that is added on each pass and the makeup that happens as everything goes through the supply chain is now gone.<br>All this add on that happens as it goes through the supply chain is a huge amount of money and ultimately is what keeps the whole EU economy going in many ways.</p><p>SO this measure is an ecconomists attempt at trade protection , in order to</p><p>I think its great. I saved a fortune by getting the solar thermal panels put into a container myself</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reasons this is being pushed by the EU is this.At the moment a TV ( for example ) goes from a maker in Korea to a importer in Germany , then on to a distributor , and then a retailer ( either online or " bricks and mortar " ) .
That called a supply chain.NOW , image a world where you order direct from the Korean factory .
This is clearly a natural progression of E-commerce and technology .
It is already happening with Photovoltaic cells and solar thermal panels for example .
I order 25,000 USD of solar thermal last month , I saved myself about 32,000 USD by doing this !
! Well , now all the money and employment that the EU got has completely dried up because now the of busienss in the EU are able to get a cut of the supply chain.VAT that is added on each pass and the makeup that happens as everything goes through the supply chain is now gone.All this add on that happens as it goes through the supply chain is a huge amount of money and ultimately is what keeps the whole EU economy going in many ways.SO this measure is an ecconomists attempt at trade protection , in order toI think its great .
I saved a fortune by getting the solar thermal panels put into a container myself</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reasons this is being pushed by the EU is this.At the moment a TV (for example) goes from a maker in Korea to a importer in Germany, then on to a distributor, and then a retailer (either online or "bricks and mortar" ).
That called a supply chain.NOW, image a world where you order direct from the Korean factory.
This is clearly a natural progression of E-commerce and technology.
It is already happening with Photovoltaic cells and solar thermal panels for example.
I order 25,000 USD of solar thermal last month, I saved myself about 32,000 USD by doing this !
!Well, now all the money and employment that the EU got has completely dried up because now the of busienss in the EU are able to get a cut of the supply chain.VAT that is added on each pass and the makeup that happens as everything goes through the supply chain is now gone.All this add on that happens as it goes through the supply chain is a huge amount of money and ultimately is what keeps the whole EU economy going in many ways.SO this measure is an ecconomists attempt at trade protection , in order toI think its great.
I saved a fortune by getting the solar thermal panels put into a container myself</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31204018</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1266573540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can't figure out how to tax people into the dirt.  So that's how they're going to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They ca n't figure out how to tax people into the dirt .
So that 's how they 're going to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't figure out how to tax people into the dirt.
So that's how they're going to do it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31207090</id>
	<title>eBay: shut the fuck up &amp; straighten up your ac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266593460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thats right.  They need to stop listening to fraudulent buyers' lies, never verify those lies, and then credit the fraudulent buyer his money AND THEN the kicker: they make the mistake of sending two different emails in the dispute process!  The dipshits that "resolved" the dispute told the lying buyer, in an email that the seller received BY MISTAKE:  "Congratulations!  The dispute has been resolved in your favor. We will credit your purchase price.  Please send the item back to the seller".   Meanwhile, the seller, gets not only the email MEANT for the buyer, but a totally different email that says "Congratulations!  The dispute has been resolved in your favor!  The buyer will send back the item and will not be credited for that purchase".  Meanwhile, the jackass lying buyer posts negative feedback BEFORE the so-called resolution takes place.  2 months later and the shit for brains buyer hasnt sent the item back, but got a refund AND got to keep the item (because it wasnt broken as the buyer LIED that it was).</p><p>NOT AT ANY TIME did eBay verify the lying buyer's claim of the seller writing a nasty message to the idiot buyer.  After confronting eBay about speaking from both sides of the mouth AND asking them to provide proof that they verified the liar's claim, they couldnt.  And they wont.  The attorney, however, will.</p><p>Ebay, go fuck yourself so far up your ass that your dick comes out your nose.   And, here's a warning to anyone who dares to transact business with those frauds:  they FORCE you to use that piece of crap Paypal and by doing so they will ALWAYS honor the buyer.  So, for those of you who wish to - the loophole is that you can BUY whatever you want and then claim whatever you want and via the Paypal resolution process (which trumps Ebay's) you will get your money back and you do not have to send that item back because eBay just doesnt give a shit.</p><p>This case will not be dropped even though ebay has tried to sweep it under the rug.  The seller will continue to pursue legal action against the buyer and will do everything humanly possible to expose ebay as the frauds that they are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats right .
They need to stop listening to fraudulent buyers ' lies , never verify those lies , and then credit the fraudulent buyer his money AND THEN the kicker : they make the mistake of sending two different emails in the dispute process !
The dipshits that " resolved " the dispute told the lying buyer , in an email that the seller received BY MISTAKE : " Congratulations !
The dispute has been resolved in your favor .
We will credit your purchase price .
Please send the item back to the seller " .
Meanwhile , the seller , gets not only the email MEANT for the buyer , but a totally different email that says " Congratulations !
The dispute has been resolved in your favor !
The buyer will send back the item and will not be credited for that purchase " .
Meanwhile , the jackass lying buyer posts negative feedback BEFORE the so-called resolution takes place .
2 months later and the shit for brains buyer hasnt sent the item back , but got a refund AND got to keep the item ( because it wasnt broken as the buyer LIED that it was ) .NOT AT ANY TIME did eBay verify the lying buyer 's claim of the seller writing a nasty message to the idiot buyer .
After confronting eBay about speaking from both sides of the mouth AND asking them to provide proof that they verified the liar 's claim , they couldnt .
And they wont .
The attorney , however , will.Ebay , go fuck yourself so far up your ass that your dick comes out your nose .
And , here 's a warning to anyone who dares to transact business with those frauds : they FORCE you to use that piece of crap Paypal and by doing so they will ALWAYS honor the buyer .
So , for those of you who wish to - the loophole is that you can BUY whatever you want and then claim whatever you want and via the Paypal resolution process ( which trumps Ebay 's ) you will get your money back and you do not have to send that item back because eBay just doesnt give a shit.This case will not be dropped even though ebay has tried to sweep it under the rug .
The seller will continue to pursue legal action against the buyer and will do everything humanly possible to expose ebay as the frauds that they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats right.
They need to stop listening to fraudulent buyers' lies, never verify those lies, and then credit the fraudulent buyer his money AND THEN the kicker: they make the mistake of sending two different emails in the dispute process!
The dipshits that "resolved" the dispute told the lying buyer, in an email that the seller received BY MISTAKE:  "Congratulations!
The dispute has been resolved in your favor.
We will credit your purchase price.
Please send the item back to the seller".
Meanwhile, the seller, gets not only the email MEANT for the buyer, but a totally different email that says "Congratulations!
The dispute has been resolved in your favor!
The buyer will send back the item and will not be credited for that purchase".
Meanwhile, the jackass lying buyer posts negative feedback BEFORE the so-called resolution takes place.
2 months later and the shit for brains buyer hasnt sent the item back, but got a refund AND got to keep the item (because it wasnt broken as the buyer LIED that it was).NOT AT ANY TIME did eBay verify the lying buyer's claim of the seller writing a nasty message to the idiot buyer.
After confronting eBay about speaking from both sides of the mouth AND asking them to provide proof that they verified the liar's claim, they couldnt.
And they wont.
The attorney, however, will.Ebay, go fuck yourself so far up your ass that your dick comes out your nose.
And, here's a warning to anyone who dares to transact business with those frauds:  they FORCE you to use that piece of crap Paypal and by doing so they will ALWAYS honor the buyer.
So, for those of you who wish to - the loophole is that you can BUY whatever you want and then claim whatever you want and via the Paypal resolution process (which trumps Ebay's) you will get your money back and you do not have to send that item back because eBay just doesnt give a shit.This case will not be dropped even though ebay has tried to sweep it under the rug.
The seller will continue to pursue legal action against the buyer and will do everything humanly possible to expose ebay as the frauds that they are.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1924212.31206662</id>
	<title>Source</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266588240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>given the similarity to prior related reports it sounds more like dumpass journalist writing. Where is the source document, which lawmaking entity is driving it whatever it is (EC, parliament), which stage in the process is it in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>given the similarity to prior related reports it sounds more like dumpass journalist writing .
Where is the source document , which lawmaking entity is driving it whatever it is ( EC , parliament ) , which stage in the process is it in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>given the similarity to prior related reports it sounds more like dumpass journalist writing.
Where is the source document, which lawmaking entity is driving it whatever it is (EC, parliament), which stage in the process is it in.</sentencetext>
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