<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_19_1452240</id>
	<title>New Linux-Based Laptop For Computer Newbies</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1266598980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:smivs@smivsonline.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Smivs</a> writes <i>"The BBC is carrying a report on how people confused and frustrated by computers can now turn to a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8522952.stm">laptop called Alex built just for them.</a>  Based on Linux, the laptop comes with simplified e-mail, web browsing, image editing and office software.  Those who sign up for Alex pay &pound;39.95 a month for telephone support, software updates and broadband access.  The Newcastle-Based Broadband Computer Company who developed Alex has been working on this project for three years, and didn't immediately adopt a Linux solution &mdash; in fact, the first big trial was based on Windows.  The company's Chief Technology Officer Barney Morrison-Lyons says that was <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2010/02/can\_alex\_bring\_linux\_to\_the\_ma.html">never going to be the right route</a>:
'The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software &mdash; the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.'
Mr. Hudson, one of the company's founders, said the company also intends to launch an application store for Alex for customers who want to add more features and functions to their computer. 'People who love Linux will be keen to develop for this,' he said."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smivs writes " The BBC is carrying a report on how people confused and frustrated by computers can now turn to a laptop called Alex built just for them .
Based on Linux , the laptop comes with simplified e-mail , web browsing , image editing and office software .
Those who sign up for Alex pay   39.95 a month for telephone support , software updates and broadband access .
The Newcastle-Based Broadband Computer Company who developed Alex has been working on this project for three years , and did n't immediately adopt a Linux solution    in fact , the first big trial was based on Windows .
The company 's Chief Technology Officer Barney Morrison-Lyons says that was never going to be the right route : 'The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software    the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux .
' Mr. Hudson , one of the company 's founders , said the company also intends to launch an application store for Alex for customers who want to add more features and functions to their computer .
'People who love Linux will be keen to develop for this, ' he said .
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<sentencetext>Smivs writes "The BBC is carrying a report on how people confused and frustrated by computers can now turn to a laptop called Alex built just for them.
Based on Linux, the laptop comes with simplified e-mail, web browsing, image editing and office software.
Those who sign up for Alex pay £39.95 a month for telephone support, software updates and broadband access.
The Newcastle-Based Broadband Computer Company who developed Alex has been working on this project for three years, and didn't immediately adopt a Linux solution — in fact, the first big trial was based on Windows.
The company's Chief Technology Officer Barney Morrison-Lyons says that was never going to be the right route:
'The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software — the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.
'
Mr. Hudson, one of the company's founders, said the company also intends to launch an application store for Alex for customers who want to add more features and functions to their computer.
'People who love Linux will be keen to develop for this,' he said.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201070</id>
	<title>It's probably just a Beta unit</title>
	<author>Duradin</author>
	<datestamp>1266603300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real Alex is off fighting the Ko-Dan armada.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real Alex is off fighting the Ko-Dan armada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real Alex is off fighting the Ko-Dan armada.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201216</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>ErroneousBee</author>
	<datestamp>1266603840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Software can be badly written on any platform, and in any language.</p></div><p>You are quite wrong. On several occasions Linux has intercepted my code typos, SQL injunctions and XSS vilneravilities.</p><p>Once it even prevented me from accidentally biting into a Marmite sandwich.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Software can be badly written on any platform , and in any language.You are quite wrong .
On several occasions Linux has intercepted my code typos , SQL injunctions and XSS vilneravilities.Once it even prevented me from accidentally biting into a Marmite sandwich .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Software can be badly written on any platform, and in any language.You are quite wrong.
On several occasions Linux has intercepted my code typos, SQL injunctions and XSS vilneravilities.Once it even prevented me from accidentally biting into a Marmite sandwich.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201398</id>
	<title>Re:um...</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1266604740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, but it is clear that these were the directors of the project and not the techs.  Windows, at least in the XP and before incantations, the assumption was "User=Administrator" and that did cause badly written software.  I'm pretty sure they mean that... or better said, they were told by their engineers that "Windows allows badly written programs" by their engineers who actually meant "No practical user separation".</p><p>In all fairness: it is entirely possible to run WinXP as a Limited User.  It just takes a certain amount of work when you encounter "badly behaved programs".  I even prefer the message "Access Denied" over the UAC message of "Cancel/Allow" in Vista or 7.  (Yes, I know you can set it up the way I like it, it's just not default any more).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , but it is clear that these were the directors of the project and not the techs .
Windows , at least in the XP and before incantations , the assumption was " User = Administrator " and that did cause badly written software .
I 'm pretty sure they mean that... or better said , they were told by their engineers that " Windows allows badly written programs " by their engineers who actually meant " No practical user separation " .In all fairness : it is entirely possible to run WinXP as a Limited User .
It just takes a certain amount of work when you encounter " badly behaved programs " .
I even prefer the message " Access Denied " over the UAC message of " Cancel/Allow " in Vista or 7 .
( Yes , I know you can set it up the way I like it , it 's just not default any more ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, but it is clear that these were the directors of the project and not the techs.
Windows, at least in the XP and before incantations, the assumption was "User=Administrator" and that did cause badly written software.
I'm pretty sure they mean that... or better said, they were told by their engineers that "Windows allows badly written programs" by their engineers who actually meant "No practical user separation".In all fairness: it is entirely possible to run WinXP as a Limited User.
It just takes a certain amount of work when you encounter "badly behaved programs".
I even prefer the message "Access Denied" over the UAC message of "Cancel/Allow" in Vista or 7.
(Yes, I know you can set it up the way I like it, it's just not default any more).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200992</id>
	<title>I'm happy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266602940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it trully helps less technical people, then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux (or GNU/Linux, you decide) <b>can</b> be user friendly.<br> <br>
Rock on!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it trully helps less technical people , then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux ( or GNU/Linux , you decide ) can be user friendly .
Rock on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it trully helps less technical people, then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux (or GNU/Linux, you decide) can be user friendly.
Rock on!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31204494</id>
	<title>Video of Alex</title>
	<author>PineHall</author>
	<datestamp>1266575760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.welcometoalex.com/page/watchthedemo/index.cfm" title="welcometoalex.com">Video of Alex</a> [welcometoalex.com] is available at the <a href="http://www.welcometoalex.com/page/index.cfm" title="welcometoalex.com">Alex website</a> [welcometoalex.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Video of Alex [ welcometoalex.com ] is available at the Alex website [ welcometoalex.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video of Alex [welcometoalex.com] is available at the Alex website [welcometoalex.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200960</id>
	<title>unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>jomegat</author>
	<datestamp>1266602820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Software can be badly written on any platform, and in any language.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Software can be badly written on any platform , and in any language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Software can be badly written on any platform, and in any language.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31205834</id>
	<title>What's it with that "app store" cancer?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266582120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>an application store for Alex</p></div><p>That&rsquo;s called a package manager! Like paludis/portage/ports/APT/pacman/pkgsrc/yum/urpm/etc. Look it up.</p><p>I think package management is such an important and well done part of Linux, that one could add it to the properties, for which the following is true:<br>&ldquo;Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.&rdquo;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>an application store for AlexThat    s called a package manager !
Like paludis/portage/ports/APT/pacman/pkgsrc/yum/urpm/etc .
Look it up.I think package management is such an important and well done part of Linux , that one could add it to the properties , for which the following is true :    Those who do n't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it , poorly.    : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>an application store for AlexThat’s called a package manager!
Like paludis/portage/ports/APT/pacman/pkgsrc/yum/urpm/etc.
Look it up.I think package management is such an important and well done part of Linux, that one could add it to the properties, for which the following is true:“Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.” :)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31207692</id>
	<title>Re:Can't be serious</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1266599400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's less of a problem with having badly written software, than it is a problem of users tolerating that software. I tolerate much more crashes of Windows, than I do on Linux.<br>
As a result of that tolerance, we have widespread bad software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's less of a problem with having badly written software , than it is a problem of users tolerating that software .
I tolerate much more crashes of Windows , than I do on Linux .
As a result of that tolerance , we have widespread bad software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's less of a problem with having badly written software, than it is a problem of users tolerating that software.
I tolerate much more crashes of Windows, than I do on Linux.
As a result of that tolerance, we have widespread bad software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202044</id>
	<title>Re:um...</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1266608100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Yeah. No operating system known to man prevents you from "writing software badly".</i> <br> <br>
That may be, but a good OS will limit the damage that the bad software can cause.  For example, denying PEEK and POKE commands (or their equivalents), doing memory management, enforcing security features, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
No operating system known to man prevents you from " writing software badly " .
That may be , but a good OS will limit the damage that the bad software can cause .
For example , denying PEEK and POKE commands ( or their equivalents ) , doing memory management , enforcing security features , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
No operating system known to man prevents you from "writing software badly".
That may be, but a good OS will limit the damage that the bad software can cause.
For example, denying PEEK and POKE commands (or their equivalents), doing memory management, enforcing security features, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31203014</id>
	<title>Oh, come on.</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1266613140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> company's Chief Technology Officer Barney Morrison-Lyons says that was never going to be the right route: 'The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software &mdash; the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.'</p> </div><p>That kind of makes me question their level of competency.  It is possible to write software badly for any platform, device, or language.   Saying otherwise means only that you're mis-parroting something one of your underlings has said.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>company 's Chief Technology Officer Barney Morrison-Lyons says that was never going to be the right route : 'The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software    the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux .
' That kind of makes me question their level of competency .
It is possible to write software badly for any platform , device , or language .
Saying otherwise means only that you 're mis-parroting something one of your underlings has said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> company's Chief Technology Officer Barney Morrison-Lyons says that was never going to be the right route: 'The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software — the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.
' That kind of makes me question their level of competency.
It is possible to write software badly for any platform, device, or language.
Saying otherwise means only that you're mis-parroting something one of your underlings has said.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202412</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266610380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page, send an OpenOffice document to his buddy (who uses MS) that opens with crapped-up formatting, or tries to connect to an Exchange server (and no, OWA light is not a good alternative), he's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.</i></p><p>If the machine is being targeted at newbie users, then I take that to be retired old folks or home users - in which case it's highly unlikely they're going to be connecting to an Exchange server for email; more likely IMAP, POP or Webmail.</p><p>And why is the doc format issue any different to my receiving an Office 2007 format document when I only use Office 2003?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page , send an OpenOffice document to his buddy ( who uses MS ) that opens with crapped-up formatting , or tries to connect to an Exchange server ( and no , OWA light is not a good alternative ) , he 's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.If the machine is being targeted at newbie users , then I take that to be retired old folks or home users - in which case it 's highly unlikely they 're going to be connecting to an Exchange server for email ; more likely IMAP , POP or Webmail.And why is the doc format issue any different to my receiving an Office 2007 format document when I only use Office 2003 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page, send an OpenOffice document to his buddy (who uses MS) that opens with crapped-up formatting, or tries to connect to an Exchange server (and no, OWA light is not a good alternative), he's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.If the machine is being targeted at newbie users, then I take that to be retired old folks or home users - in which case it's highly unlikely they're going to be connecting to an Exchange server for email; more likely IMAP, POP or Webmail.And why is the doc format issue any different to my receiving an Office 2007 format document when I only use Office 2003?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31209342</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1266671880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Closed-source software is designed not to play well with anything else, so open-source software gets more work towards adding that compatibility back in. Office 2007 documents don't look so bad in OpenOffice.org 3.1.</p><p>As for UI quirks, it's just a matter of getting a designer to work on the app, or even paying the developers to do it for you, or at least report the quirk. If the software is popular enough and your idea/report deemed valid enough, it'll be fixed or improved no problem, sometimes even by the app's original developer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Closed-source software is designed not to play well with anything else , so open-source software gets more work towards adding that compatibility back in .
Office 2007 documents do n't look so bad in OpenOffice.org 3.1.As for UI quirks , it 's just a matter of getting a designer to work on the app , or even paying the developers to do it for you , or at least report the quirk .
If the software is popular enough and your idea/report deemed valid enough , it 'll be fixed or improved no problem , sometimes even by the app 's original developer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Closed-source software is designed not to play well with anything else, so open-source software gets more work towards adding that compatibility back in.
Office 2007 documents don't look so bad in OpenOffice.org 3.1.As for UI quirks, it's just a matter of getting a designer to work on the app, or even paying the developers to do it for you, or at least report the quirk.
If the software is popular enough and your idea/report deemed valid enough, it'll be fixed or improved no problem, sometimes even by the app's original developer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201010</id>
	<title>no training wheels</title>
	<author>Tim4444</author>
	<datestamp>1266603000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux</p></div><p>Linux has a lot of good features but I don't know that that it would prevent you from writing bad code...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or LinuxLinux has a lot of good features but I do n't know that that it would prevent you from writing bad code.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or LinuxLinux has a lot of good features but I don't know that that it would prevent you from writing bad code...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202156</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1266608760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Believe me, I've seen people so inept with computers that both the mouse and the keyboard seem like tools of frustration. And I daresay voice recognition, while getting close, is still not quite at the level for full operability.</p></div><p>If you've ever seen the results of a usability test you'll know problems with mice are the rule, not the exception. Pretty much every usability test I've done with the general public includes at least a few instances of users clicking the wrong mouse button. I've even seen it happen in testing with expert users, in one case all users were security architects or administrators for major ISPs and we still saw mistakes with which mouse button to click. It is almost certainly the most common usability flaw in modern computing.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And I daresay voice recognition, while getting close, is still not quite at the level for full operability.</p></div><p>I don't think we'll see voice recognition take off until we get computers managing the soundsystem for homes. Until they know what is going out of the speakers for video games, movies, television, music, telephone calls (ringer), computer system beeps, etc. they won't be able to filter out those sounds from potential incoming commands.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And also - you CAN write badly written software for Linux.</p></div><p>Of course you can, but given or lack of context we don't know what he was referring to. It could be he was referring to the Alex systems as closed ecosystems only able to run vetted software from their store, or he could have been referring to the needed privileges for applications on different platforms. Who can say. I just ignored that whole bit as being to vague to deserve my attention.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe me , I 've seen people so inept with computers that both the mouse and the keyboard seem like tools of frustration .
And I daresay voice recognition , while getting close , is still not quite at the level for full operability.If you 've ever seen the results of a usability test you 'll know problems with mice are the rule , not the exception .
Pretty much every usability test I 've done with the general public includes at least a few instances of users clicking the wrong mouse button .
I 've even seen it happen in testing with expert users , in one case all users were security architects or administrators for major ISPs and we still saw mistakes with which mouse button to click .
It is almost certainly the most common usability flaw in modern computing.And I daresay voice recognition , while getting close , is still not quite at the level for full operability.I do n't think we 'll see voice recognition take off until we get computers managing the soundsystem for homes .
Until they know what is going out of the speakers for video games , movies , television , music , telephone calls ( ringer ) , computer system beeps , etc .
they wo n't be able to filter out those sounds from potential incoming commands.And also - you CAN write badly written software for Linux.Of course you can , but given or lack of context we do n't know what he was referring to .
It could be he was referring to the Alex systems as closed ecosystems only able to run vetted software from their store , or he could have been referring to the needed privileges for applications on different platforms .
Who can say .
I just ignored that whole bit as being to vague to deserve my attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe me, I've seen people so inept with computers that both the mouse and the keyboard seem like tools of frustration.
And I daresay voice recognition, while getting close, is still not quite at the level for full operability.If you've ever seen the results of a usability test you'll know problems with mice are the rule, not the exception.
Pretty much every usability test I've done with the general public includes at least a few instances of users clicking the wrong mouse button.
I've even seen it happen in testing with expert users, in one case all users were security architects or administrators for major ISPs and we still saw mistakes with which mouse button to click.
It is almost certainly the most common usability flaw in modern computing.And I daresay voice recognition, while getting close, is still not quite at the level for full operability.I don't think we'll see voice recognition take off until we get computers managing the soundsystem for homes.
Until they know what is going out of the speakers for video games, movies, television, music, telephone calls (ringer), computer system beeps, etc.
they won't be able to filter out those sounds from potential incoming commands.And also - you CAN write badly written software for Linux.Of course you can, but given or lack of context we don't know what he was referring to.
It could be he was referring to the Alex systems as closed ecosystems only able to run vetted software from their store, or he could have been referring to the needed privileges for applications on different platforms.
Who can say.
I just ignored that whole bit as being to vague to deserve my attention.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201248</id>
	<title>I don't quite see the market</title>
	<author>asdf7890</author>
	<datestamp>1266603960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"People who love Linux will be keen to develop for this," he said</p></div><p>No they won't. People who love Linux/community/whatever will develop for Linux/community/whatever. People who would love the chance to make a quick quid/dollar by packaging up a FOSS app for the app store will love it, but that won't create a marketplace full of will supported apps. And the general public see the "free!" part of Linux and the "free!" part of FOSS apps and won't be wanting to pay for apps from an app store, especially while paying that much a month for a support contract.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>39.95 a month</p></div><p>You can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that, which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily, with many mobile phone contracts over here. This comes with mobile Internet access and a phone you can make/take calls and send texts with. I don't see the market - people will not want to get a free computer then pay that much for support when they can get a free netbook just by agreeing to a mobile phone contract and moan about the lack of support they aren't paying for later (and/or get their mate to support them because Dave knows about these things).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software &mdash; the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.</p></div><p>This is wrong on a level or two. While I'm no fan of Windows and the terrible that definitely exists for it, I've also seen terrible apps and scripts for Linux too. No OS can protect the world from slap-dash design/programming with not mind for security.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" People who love Linux will be keen to develop for this , " he saidNo they wo n't .
People who love Linux/community/whatever will develop for Linux/community/whatever .
People who would love the chance to make a quick quid/dollar by packaging up a FOSS app for the app store will love it , but that wo n't create a marketplace full of will supported apps .
And the general public see the " free !
" part of Linux and the " free !
" part of FOSS apps and wo n't be wanting to pay for apps from an app store , especially while paying that much a month for a support contract.39.95 a monthYou can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that , which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily , with many mobile phone contracts over here .
This comes with mobile Internet access and a phone you can make/take calls and send texts with .
I do n't see the market - people will not want to get a free computer then pay that much for support when they can get a free netbook just by agreeing to a mobile phone contract and moan about the lack of support they are n't paying for later ( and/or get their mate to support them because Dave knows about these things ) .The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software    the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.This is wrong on a level or two .
While I 'm no fan of Windows and the terrible that definitely exists for it , I 've also seen terrible apps and scripts for Linux too .
No OS can protect the world from slap-dash design/programming with not mind for security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"People who love Linux will be keen to develop for this," he saidNo they won't.
People who love Linux/community/whatever will develop for Linux/community/whatever.
People who would love the chance to make a quick quid/dollar by packaging up a FOSS app for the app store will love it, but that won't create a marketplace full of will supported apps.
And the general public see the "free!
" part of Linux and the "free!
" part of FOSS apps and won't be wanting to pay for apps from an app store, especially while paying that much a month for a support contract.39.95 a monthYou can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that, which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily, with many mobile phone contracts over here.
This comes with mobile Internet access and a phone you can make/take calls and send texts with.
I don't see the market - people will not want to get a free computer then pay that much for support when they can get a free netbook just by agreeing to a mobile phone contract and moan about the lack of support they aren't paying for later (and/or get their mate to support them because Dave knows about these things).The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software — the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.This is wrong on a level or two.
While I'm no fan of Windows and the terrible that definitely exists for it, I've also seen terrible apps and scripts for Linux too.
No OS can protect the world from slap-dash design/programming with not mind for security.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31203204</id>
	<title>Re:no training wheels</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266570600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod\_slap\_programmer is included in 2.6.33.rc10, stay tunned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod \ _slap \ _programmer is included in 2.6.33.rc10 , stay tunned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod\_slap\_programmer is included in 2.6.33.rc10, stay tunned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201424</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1266604800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And its not even Ubuntu?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>From the second link: <i>And at the heart of the project is Linux, or at least the Ubuntu variant of the open source operating system coupled with a desktop designed by Alex's own developers.</i> </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And its not even Ubuntu ?
From the second link : And at the heart of the project is Linux , or at least the Ubuntu variant of the open source operating system coupled with a desktop designed by Alex 's own developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And its not even Ubuntu?
From the second link: And at the heart of the project is Linux, or at least the Ubuntu variant of the open source operating system coupled with a desktop designed by Alex's own developers. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200990</id>
	<title>um...</title>
	<author>cool\_story\_bro</author>
	<datestamp>1266602880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.</p></div> </blockquote><p>

Yeah. No operating system known to man prevents you from "writing software badly".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux .
Yeah. No operating system known to man prevents you from " writing software badly " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.
Yeah. No operating system known to man prevents you from "writing software badly".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201514</id>
	<title>Enough with the appstores!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266605220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The hope to be the middle man between customers and developers for a large portion of the market looks awfully attractive to business types. It always has: That's the music industry business model and the same hope fueled a good portion of the new economy craze. The lock-in attempts are disgusting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hope to be the middle man between customers and developers for a large portion of the market looks awfully attractive to business types .
It always has : That 's the music industry business model and the same hope fueled a good portion of the new economy craze .
The lock-in attempts are disgusting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hope to be the middle man between customers and developers for a large portion of the market looks awfully attractive to business types.
It always has: That's the music industry business model and the same hope fueled a good portion of the new economy craze.
The lock-in attempts are disgusting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31203844</id>
	<title>Alex sounds a lot like ELDY from Italy</title>
	<author>fritsd</author>
	<datestamp>1266572880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was a BBC news page last year about another British project, <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8352606.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">simplicITy</a> [bbc.co.uk], which used the Italian ELDY Linux project to get elderly people acquainted with computers.
<br>
Here's the link: <a href="http://www.eldy.org/" title="eldy.org">http://www.eldy.org/</a> [eldy.org] (in italian), <a href="http://www.eldy.eu/" title="www.eldy.eu">http://www.eldy.eu/</a> [www.eldy.eu] (in english).
<br>
Some more links: <a href="http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldy" title="wikipedia.org">http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldy</a> [wikipedia.org], <a href="http://www.webnews.it/news/leggi/4217/eldy-linformatica-per-la-terza-eta/" title="webnews.it">http://www.webnews.it/news/leggi/4217/eldy-linformatica-per-la-terza-eta/</a> [webnews.it] (in italian) (I wonder if this isn't refered to more often because the primary sources are in italian?)
<br>
Apparently the idea is that the project contains both a technological and a social component: young people are encouraged to teach the elderly.
<br>
I absolutely *love* this quote on their english page:<blockquote><div><p>Teach the people who taught  you how to walk, how to surf the Internet!</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Personally, I don't care if they earn a lot of money (ripping people off / providing a value-added service) by selling them gratis (FOSS) software, as long as it means that more old people can take their first baby steps on the informational superdirttrack. My parents acknowledge that nowadays, you seem to need that internet for more and more stuff, but they find it a bit too difficult to use.
<br>
Down with the Digital Divide!</p></div>
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<tokenext>There was a BBC news page last year about another British project , simplicITy [ bbc.co.uk ] , which used the Italian ELDY Linux project to get elderly people acquainted with computers .
Here 's the link : http : //www.eldy.org/ [ eldy.org ] ( in italian ) , http : //www.eldy.eu/ [ www.eldy.eu ] ( in english ) .
Some more links : http : //it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldy [ wikipedia.org ] , http : //www.webnews.it/news/leggi/4217/eldy-linformatica-per-la-terza-eta/ [ webnews.it ] ( in italian ) ( I wonder if this is n't refered to more often because the primary sources are in italian ?
) Apparently the idea is that the project contains both a technological and a social component : young people are encouraged to teach the elderly .
I absolutely * love * this quote on their english page : Teach the people who taught you how to walk , how to surf the Internet !
Personally , I do n't care if they earn a lot of money ( ripping people off / providing a value-added service ) by selling them gratis ( FOSS ) software , as long as it means that more old people can take their first baby steps on the informational superdirttrack .
My parents acknowledge that nowadays , you seem to need that internet for more and more stuff , but they find it a bit too difficult to use .
Down with the Digital Divide !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was a BBC news page last year about another British project, simplicITy [bbc.co.uk], which used the Italian ELDY Linux project to get elderly people acquainted with computers.
Here's the link: http://www.eldy.org/ [eldy.org] (in italian), http://www.eldy.eu/ [www.eldy.eu] (in english).
Some more links: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldy [wikipedia.org], http://www.webnews.it/news/leggi/4217/eldy-linformatica-per-la-terza-eta/ [webnews.it] (in italian) (I wonder if this isn't refered to more often because the primary sources are in italian?
)

Apparently the idea is that the project contains both a technological and a social component: young people are encouraged to teach the elderly.
I absolutely *love* this quote on their english page:Teach the people who taught  you how to walk, how to surf the Internet!
Personally, I don't care if they earn a lot of money (ripping people off / providing a value-added service) by selling them gratis (FOSS) software, as long as it means that more old people can take their first baby steps on the informational superdirttrack.
My parents acknowledge that nowadays, you seem to need that internet for more and more stuff, but they find it a bit too difficult to use.
Down with the Digital Divide!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31205032</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266577800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes, but on some platforms it is nearly impossible for it to be well written...  The OS is a foundation, and no building I know of can stand firm on a defective foundation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , but on some platforms it is nearly impossible for it to be well written... The OS is a foundation , and no building I know of can stand firm on a defective foundation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, but on some platforms it is nearly impossible for it to be well written...  The OS is a foundation, and no building I know of can stand firm on a defective foundation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201668</id>
	<title>Re:I don't quite see the market</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1266605880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>39.95 a month</p></div><p>You can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that, which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily, with many mobile phone contracts over here.</p></div><p>Note, the article quotes 39.95 british pounds per month for this service, but that version includes the high speed data service plan. The laptop and support plan are 9.99 british pounds, or about $20. I'd further note, the actual service quotes 24.99 british pounds with the broadband, not 39.95. So $50 per month including the high speed data plan a wireless router and free setup in your home is not all that expensive compared to prices in the US.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>39.95 a monthYou can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that , which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily , with many mobile phone contracts over here.Note , the article quotes 39.95 british pounds per month for this service , but that version includes the high speed data service plan .
The laptop and support plan are 9.99 british pounds , or about $ 20 .
I 'd further note , the actual service quotes 24.99 british pounds with the broadband , not 39.95 .
So $ 50 per month including the high speed data plan a wireless router and free setup in your home is not all that expensive compared to prices in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>39.95 a monthYou can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that, which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily, with many mobile phone contracts over here.Note, the article quotes 39.95 british pounds per month for this service, but that version includes the high speed data service plan.
The laptop and support plan are 9.99 british pounds, or about $20.
I'd further note, the actual service quotes 24.99 british pounds with the broadband, not 39.95.
So $50 per month including the high speed data plan a wireless router and free setup in your home is not all that expensive compared to prices in the US.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201974</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>bill\_kress</author>
	<datestamp>1266607560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some systems allow you to be more sloppy than others--</p><p>For instance, in windows XP it's pretty easy to write code that assumes it is "admin" (possibly not even intentionally) and have it pass all your testing and be delivered--when you go into admin on a mac, Linux or windows 7, you are more likely to be aware that you are going into admin mode--on a linux system you are even going to be forced to seriously consider NOT going into root when you start getting reports from users that don't install as root on their machine.</p><p>On the other hand, with Linux you can get really lazy about writing GUIs under the (generally correct and self-sustaining) assumption that most users will be technical enough to use a good CLI interface.</p><p>On the mac, people tend to program for a single API, knowing that apple will most likely completely redesign everything when they move to OSXI and run your stuff in an OSX VM.  With Windows and Linux, forward and backwards compatibility is important and will generally be considered all along.</p><p>My point is that there is a HUGE difference in what aspects  you are "Lazy" with between platforms (and languages, but that's for another post).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some systems allow you to be more sloppy than others--For instance , in windows XP it 's pretty easy to write code that assumes it is " admin " ( possibly not even intentionally ) and have it pass all your testing and be delivered--when you go into admin on a mac , Linux or windows 7 , you are more likely to be aware that you are going into admin mode--on a linux system you are even going to be forced to seriously consider NOT going into root when you start getting reports from users that do n't install as root on their machine.On the other hand , with Linux you can get really lazy about writing GUIs under the ( generally correct and self-sustaining ) assumption that most users will be technical enough to use a good CLI interface.On the mac , people tend to program for a single API , knowing that apple will most likely completely redesign everything when they move to OSXI and run your stuff in an OSX VM .
With Windows and Linux , forward and backwards compatibility is important and will generally be considered all along.My point is that there is a HUGE difference in what aspects you are " Lazy " with between platforms ( and languages , but that 's for another post ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some systems allow you to be more sloppy than others--For instance, in windows XP it's pretty easy to write code that assumes it is "admin" (possibly not even intentionally) and have it pass all your testing and be delivered--when you go into admin on a mac, Linux or windows 7, you are more likely to be aware that you are going into admin mode--on a linux system you are even going to be forced to seriously consider NOT going into root when you start getting reports from users that don't install as root on their machine.On the other hand, with Linux you can get really lazy about writing GUIs under the (generally correct and self-sustaining) assumption that most users will be technical enough to use a good CLI interface.On the mac, people tend to program for a single API, knowing that apple will most likely completely redesign everything when they move to OSXI and run your stuff in an OSX VM.
With Windows and Linux, forward and backwards compatibility is important and will generally be considered all along.My point is that there is a HUGE difference in what aspects  you are "Lazy" with between platforms (and languages, but that's for another post).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31203676</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>dreamchaser</author>
	<datestamp>1266572220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  He lost me right there and I've no further interest in this particular slashvertisement.</p><p>My guess is the statement was aimed at the Linux geek crowd so they would get good press in places like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
He lost me right there and I 've no further interest in this particular slashvertisement.My guess is the statement was aimed at the Linux geek crowd so they would get good press in places like / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
He lost me right there and I've no further interest in this particular slashvertisement.My guess is the statement was aimed at the Linux geek crowd so they would get good press in places like /.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201180</id>
	<title>Re:Can't be serious</title>
	<author>negRo\_slim</author>
	<datestamp>1266603660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd wouldn't say the problem is badly written software. Especially in the context given, the fact that I can create software for the Windows operating system is one of the main reasons I continue to use it. My code may be what some consider bad, but a part of me still gets giddy with every successful compile.<br> <br>The root of the issue is people not understanding computers in general. They are machines with their own strengths and weaknesses and that must be understood to avoid being confused and frustrated at every turn. To say simply installing this or that software on this or that computer will alleviate technological ignorance trivialize the problem of vast swaths of the population being effectively illiterate with modern technology.<br> <br>It seems to me what these people are really after is an appliance like device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd would n't say the problem is badly written software .
Especially in the context given , the fact that I can create software for the Windows operating system is one of the main reasons I continue to use it .
My code may be what some consider bad , but a part of me still gets giddy with every successful compile .
The root of the issue is people not understanding computers in general .
They are machines with their own strengths and weaknesses and that must be understood to avoid being confused and frustrated at every turn .
To say simply installing this or that software on this or that computer will alleviate technological ignorance trivialize the problem of vast swaths of the population being effectively illiterate with modern technology .
It seems to me what these people are really after is an appliance like device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd wouldn't say the problem is badly written software.
Especially in the context given, the fact that I can create software for the Windows operating system is one of the main reasons I continue to use it.
My code may be what some consider bad, but a part of me still gets giddy with every successful compile.
The root of the issue is people not understanding computers in general.
They are machines with their own strengths and weaknesses and that must be understood to avoid being confused and frustrated at every turn.
To say simply installing this or that software on this or that computer will alleviate technological ignorance trivialize the problem of vast swaths of the population being effectively illiterate with modern technology.
It seems to me what these people are really after is an appliance like device.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201568</id>
	<title>mod 0P</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266605400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">Crrek, abysma7 mutated testicle of</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Crrek , abysma7 mutated testicle of [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Crrek, abysma7 mutated testicle of [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200976</id>
	<title>Can't be serious</title>
	<author>Anonymusing</author>
	<datestamp>1266602820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>"The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software -- the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux."</i>
</p><p>It's very easy to write bad software on all three platforms. I've done it! Many of you probably have, too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software -- the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux .
" It 's very easy to write bad software on all three platforms .
I 've done it !
Many of you probably have , too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software -- the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.
"
It's very easy to write bad software on all three platforms.
I've done it!
Many of you probably have, too!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31203866</id>
	<title>You've been trolled</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266572880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wonder how many hits they got for that one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonder how many hits they got for that one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonder how many hits they got for that one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201676</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>MoralHazard</author>
	<datestamp>1266605880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sigh. Technically true, this old saw, but that's not the damn point. Don't get me wrong, the CTO's quote IS bullshit, and you're correct that nothing about Linux prevents programmers from writing bad software for it.</p><p>But there is a kernel of truth in what the CTO meant. So before you go congratulating yourself on that +5 (Insightful) for your smug insistence on literalism (and thereby missing the real point, entirely), why not consider what you're missing?</p><p>Almost everybody on Linux uses a distro, right? And the tendency is toward laziness, so we mostly use software on Linux as our distro packages and provides it to us. Sure, you COULD install anything you want, but 99\% of the time you won't. Even Linux From Scratch is basically step-by-step recipes, and the package list is pre-selected for you.</p><p>So in practice, the distro maintainers are the gatekeepers, standing between the app programers and the end Linux users, deciding what kind of experience the end user gets. Bad programs get written all the time, but they tend to get censored at the distro level. And most distros are heavily biased toward open-source software, so the distro has the power to patch bugs and fix problems, again hiding flaws from the end user. (BTW, the biggest exception to the open-source bias, proprietary binary drivers, is a nice illustration-in-reverse of this mechanism.)</p><p>Contrast this process with the Windows world: It's hard to get as much done without downloading and installing extra apps and/or drivers that Microsoft didn't package. And that's where the fun starts. Sure, there are lots of high-quality Windows apps (I'm partial to FF, Notepad++, and Eclipse, myself), but there's a lot of shit, too. Anybody who's been forced to work with proprietary, domain-specific, business-oriented Windows apps can tell you horror stories of crap interfaces, random crashes, and slow bug fix cycles, all back-stopped by data format lock-in to make sure that it's just slightly more painful to switch platforms than to keep crawling along with your current torture instrument.</p><p>And I'm willing to give this CTO the benefit of the doubt, since he's giving sound bites to reporters. Reporters don't report what YOU tell them to report, they get to pick and choose on their own. And since they generally have to write to a much lower common denominator than technical people, most reporters will badger you into breaking everything down into over-simplified, simple, single-sentence restatements. Most of the time, these restatements are technically misleading, or just wrong. But the reporter doesn't care, because his readers don't give a shit, and he'll lose them if he writes the accurate technical truth.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Sigh .
Technically true , this old saw , but that 's not the damn point .
Do n't get me wrong , the CTO 's quote IS bullshit , and you 're correct that nothing about Linux prevents programmers from writing bad software for it.But there is a kernel of truth in what the CTO meant .
So before you go congratulating yourself on that + 5 ( Insightful ) for your smug insistence on literalism ( and thereby missing the real point , entirely ) , why not consider what you 're missing ? Almost everybody on Linux uses a distro , right ?
And the tendency is toward laziness , so we mostly use software on Linux as our distro packages and provides it to us .
Sure , you COULD install anything you want , but 99 \ % of the time you wo n't .
Even Linux From Scratch is basically step-by-step recipes , and the package list is pre-selected for you.So in practice , the distro maintainers are the gatekeepers , standing between the app programers and the end Linux users , deciding what kind of experience the end user gets .
Bad programs get written all the time , but they tend to get censored at the distro level .
And most distros are heavily biased toward open-source software , so the distro has the power to patch bugs and fix problems , again hiding flaws from the end user .
( BTW , the biggest exception to the open-source bias , proprietary binary drivers , is a nice illustration-in-reverse of this mechanism .
) Contrast this process with the Windows world : It 's hard to get as much done without downloading and installing extra apps and/or drivers that Microsoft did n't package .
And that 's where the fun starts .
Sure , there are lots of high-quality Windows apps ( I 'm partial to FF , Notepad + + , and Eclipse , myself ) , but there 's a lot of shit , too .
Anybody who 's been forced to work with proprietary , domain-specific , business-oriented Windows apps can tell you horror stories of crap interfaces , random crashes , and slow bug fix cycles , all back-stopped by data format lock-in to make sure that it 's just slightly more painful to switch platforms than to keep crawling along with your current torture instrument.And I 'm willing to give this CTO the benefit of the doubt , since he 's giving sound bites to reporters .
Reporters do n't report what YOU tell them to report , they get to pick and choose on their own .
And since they generally have to write to a much lower common denominator than technical people , most reporters will badger you into breaking everything down into over-simplified , simple , single-sentence restatements .
Most of the time , these restatements are technically misleading , or just wrong .
But the reporter does n't care , because his readers do n't give a shit , and he 'll lose them if he writes the accurate technical truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sigh.
Technically true, this old saw, but that's not the damn point.
Don't get me wrong, the CTO's quote IS bullshit, and you're correct that nothing about Linux prevents programmers from writing bad software for it.But there is a kernel of truth in what the CTO meant.
So before you go congratulating yourself on that +5 (Insightful) for your smug insistence on literalism (and thereby missing the real point, entirely), why not consider what you're missing?Almost everybody on Linux uses a distro, right?
And the tendency is toward laziness, so we mostly use software on Linux as our distro packages and provides it to us.
Sure, you COULD install anything you want, but 99\% of the time you won't.
Even Linux From Scratch is basically step-by-step recipes, and the package list is pre-selected for you.So in practice, the distro maintainers are the gatekeepers, standing between the app programers and the end Linux users, deciding what kind of experience the end user gets.
Bad programs get written all the time, but they tend to get censored at the distro level.
And most distros are heavily biased toward open-source software, so the distro has the power to patch bugs and fix problems, again hiding flaws from the end user.
(BTW, the biggest exception to the open-source bias, proprietary binary drivers, is a nice illustration-in-reverse of this mechanism.
)Contrast this process with the Windows world: It's hard to get as much done without downloading and installing extra apps and/or drivers that Microsoft didn't package.
And that's where the fun starts.
Sure, there are lots of high-quality Windows apps (I'm partial to FF, Notepad++, and Eclipse, myself), but there's a lot of shit, too.
Anybody who's been forced to work with proprietary, domain-specific, business-oriented Windows apps can tell you horror stories of crap interfaces, random crashes, and slow bug fix cycles, all back-stopped by data format lock-in to make sure that it's just slightly more painful to switch platforms than to keep crawling along with your current torture instrument.And I'm willing to give this CTO the benefit of the doubt, since he's giving sound bites to reporters.
Reporters don't report what YOU tell them to report, they get to pick and choose on their own.
And since they generally have to write to a much lower common denominator than technical people, most reporters will badger you into breaking everything down into over-simplified, simple, single-sentence restatements.
Most of the time, these restatements are technically misleading, or just wrong.
But the reporter doesn't care, because his readers don't give a shit, and he'll lose them if he writes the accurate technical truth.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202902</id>
	<title>Re:I'm happy</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1266612540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If it trully helps less technical people, then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux (or GNU/Linux, you decide) <b>can</b> be user friendly.</p><p>Rock on!</p></div><p>I agree!<br>Nothing proves the power of free software more than spending $61 a month to keep it working!<br>-Taylor</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it trully helps less technical people , then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux ( or GNU/Linux , you decide ) can be user friendly.Rock on ! I agree ! Nothing proves the power of free software more than spending $ 61 a month to keep it working ! -Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it trully helps less technical people, then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux (or GNU/Linux, you decide) can be user friendly.Rock on!I agree!Nothing proves the power of free software more than spending $61 a month to keep it working!-Taylor
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31204074</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>Murdoch5</author>
	<datestamp>1266573780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>True but in general Windows software is written worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>True but in general Windows software is written worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True but in general Windows software is written worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201202</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266603840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a lot of ways in which software can be bad, some of which <i>are</i> directly associated with Windows: bad UIs, inconsistent APIs, et cetera. Obviously, what he's saying isn't literally true, but there may be some truth in it if we say, for example, that peer pressure from the calling conventions used by most *nix programs forces new authors to create roughly consistent interfaces, as does the heavy emphasis on stream-based I/O; whereas no such peer pressure exists on Windows.</p><p>Sticking to the console, have you ever seen the command-line tools that MS engineers have made to fill in the shortcomings of the bundled command shell? They're <i>horrible</i>, in the sense that VMS commands are long and the IA-32 architecture is overgrown.</p><p>I imagine what the guy's really trying to say is that the Windows toolchain and shell environment are crap, and that made it impossible for him to get any work done on the product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a lot of ways in which software can be bad , some of which are directly associated with Windows : bad UIs , inconsistent APIs , et cetera .
Obviously , what he 's saying is n't literally true , but there may be some truth in it if we say , for example , that peer pressure from the calling conventions used by most * nix programs forces new authors to create roughly consistent interfaces , as does the heavy emphasis on stream-based I/O ; whereas no such peer pressure exists on Windows.Sticking to the console , have you ever seen the command-line tools that MS engineers have made to fill in the shortcomings of the bundled command shell ?
They 're horrible , in the sense that VMS commands are long and the IA-32 architecture is overgrown.I imagine what the guy 's really trying to say is that the Windows toolchain and shell environment are crap , and that made it impossible for him to get any work done on the product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a lot of ways in which software can be bad, some of which are directly associated with Windows: bad UIs, inconsistent APIs, et cetera.
Obviously, what he's saying isn't literally true, but there may be some truth in it if we say, for example, that peer pressure from the calling conventions used by most *nix programs forces new authors to create roughly consistent interfaces, as does the heavy emphasis on stream-based I/O; whereas no such peer pressure exists on Windows.Sticking to the console, have you ever seen the command-line tools that MS engineers have made to fill in the shortcomings of the bundled command shell?
They're horrible, in the sense that VMS commands are long and the IA-32 architecture is overgrown.I imagine what the guy's really trying to say is that the Windows toolchain and shell environment are crap, and that made it impossible for him to get any work done on the product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201652</id>
	<title>Re:&pound;39.95 a month?</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1266605760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's still way better than using Lotus Notes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's still way better than using Lotus Notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's still way better than using Lotus Notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201300</id>
	<title>uhhh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266604140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure a company already makes a 'stupid computer', they're called 'Apple'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure a company already makes a 'stupid computer ' , they 're called 'Apple' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure a company already makes a 'stupid computer', they're called 'Apple'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31203544</id>
	<title>iPhone contracts are 30-40 / month</title>
	<author>fantomas</author>
	<datestamp>1266571800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&pound;39.95 sounds a lot for sure - I wouldn't pay it - but then to put it into context, iPhone monthly contracts are 30-40 a month so I guess they are positioning themselves there. If people will pay out 40/month to have a handheld computer, why not the same for a laptop with tech support?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  39.95 sounds a lot for sure - I would n't pay it - but then to put it into context , iPhone monthly contracts are 30-40 a month so I guess they are positioning themselves there .
If people will pay out 40/month to have a handheld computer , why not the same for a laptop with tech support ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>£39.95 sounds a lot for sure - I wouldn't pay it - but then to put it into context, iPhone monthly contracts are 30-40 a month so I guess they are positioning themselves there.
If people will pay out 40/month to have a handheld computer, why not the same for a laptop with tech support?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201350</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>svtdragon</author>
	<datestamp>1266604380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree in principle, but if this was developed with XP in mind, he may be getting at the "applications assume they have administrative rights" issue that prompted UAC.  In Linux, the default use case of sudo + restricted accounts does make software developers stick to user-level rights whenever possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree in principle , but if this was developed with XP in mind , he may be getting at the " applications assume they have administrative rights " issue that prompted UAC .
In Linux , the default use case of sudo + restricted accounts does make software developers stick to user-level rights whenever possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree in principle, but if this was developed with XP in mind, he may be getting at the "applications assume they have administrative rights" issue that prompted UAC.
In Linux, the default use case of sudo + restricted accounts does make software developers stick to user-level rights whenever possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31206656</id>
	<title>Re:I'm happy</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1266588180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If it trully helps less technical people, then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux (or GNU/Linux, you decide) can be user friendly.</p></div><p>It seems the opposite to me. If it's so user-friendly, then why do you have to pay such a high monthly fee for user support? Looking at it cynically, perhaps they chose Linux because it would require more user support, and therefore justify the business model?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it trully helps less technical people , then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux ( or GNU/Linux , you decide ) can be user friendly.It seems the opposite to me .
If it 's so user-friendly , then why do you have to pay such a high monthly fee for user support ?
Looking at it cynically , perhaps they chose Linux because it would require more user support , and therefore justify the business model ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it trully helps less technical people, then I think it can contribute as living proof that Linux (or GNU/Linux, you decide) can be user friendly.It seems the opposite to me.
If it's so user-friendly, then why do you have to pay such a high monthly fee for user support?
Looking at it cynically, perhaps they chose Linux because it would require more user support, and therefore justify the business model?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201912</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1266607140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, so it was YOU I went to college with.  You should have known when we all warned you about it, but the failing grade on your final really should have clued you in.</p><p>Seriously, I went to college with a kid who proposed an encryption method that involved taking the ASCII value of each letter in the string to be encrypted, and multiplying each one by a unique randomly-generated 8-digit number.  When asked how you decrypted it, he stated that all you needed to do was DIVIDE each character of the encrypted string by a series of freshly-generated 8-digit pseudorandom numbers.</p><p>Needless to say, though the code was well-written in and of itself, he never did get it running for finals, and about a dozen of us spent several hours each attempting to explain to him why.</p><p>PS:  He also bought lottery tickets.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , so it was YOU I went to college with .
You should have known when we all warned you about it , but the failing grade on your final really should have clued you in.Seriously , I went to college with a kid who proposed an encryption method that involved taking the ASCII value of each letter in the string to be encrypted , and multiplying each one by a unique randomly-generated 8-digit number .
When asked how you decrypted it , he stated that all you needed to do was DIVIDE each character of the encrypted string by a series of freshly-generated 8-digit pseudorandom numbers.Needless to say , though the code was well-written in and of itself , he never did get it running for finals , and about a dozen of us spent several hours each attempting to explain to him why.PS : He also bought lottery tickets .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, so it was YOU I went to college with.
You should have known when we all warned you about it, but the failing grade on your final really should have clued you in.Seriously, I went to college with a kid who proposed an encryption method that involved taking the ASCII value of each letter in the string to be encrypted, and multiplying each one by a unique randomly-generated 8-digit number.
When asked how you decrypted it, he stated that all you needed to do was DIVIDE each character of the encrypted string by a series of freshly-generated 8-digit pseudorandom numbers.Needless to say, though the code was well-written in and of itself, he never did get it running for finals, and about a dozen of us spent several hours each attempting to explain to him why.PS:  He also bought lottery tickets.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202152</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>DeadboltX</author>
	<datestamp>1266608700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what you're talking about. It's impossible to write bad software for a Mac, OS X doesn't allow it. Macs also can't get viruses or malware, they never crash, and they make me popular at my local Starbucks while I write my screenplay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what you 're talking about .
It 's impossible to write bad software for a Mac , OS X does n't allow it .
Macs also ca n't get viruses or malware , they never crash , and they make me popular at my local Starbucks while I write my screenplay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what you're talking about.
It's impossible to write bad software for a Mac, OS X doesn't allow it.
Macs also can't get viruses or malware, they never crash, and they make me popular at my local Starbucks while I write my screenplay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31203510</id>
	<title>Re:I don't quite see the market</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266571680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that, which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily</i> </p><p>The problem is that the Windows laptop will happily run pretty much every FOSS app that is out there is well. The GIMP is there. Inkscape and the rest. But so are Photoshop, Paint Shop and Paint.NET. </p><p>That freedom of choice makes Windows a very appealing platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that , which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily The problem is that the Windows laptop will happily run pretty much every FOSS app that is out there is well .
The GIMP is there .
Inkscape and the rest .
But so are Photoshop , Paint Shop and Paint.NET .
That freedom of choice makes Windows a very appealing platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get a free netbook or lowish spec laptop for that, which will come with Windows and will run Ubuntu quite happily The problem is that the Windows laptop will happily run pretty much every FOSS app that is out there is well.
The GIMP is there.
Inkscape and the rest.
But so are Photoshop, Paint Shop and Paint.NET.
That freedom of choice makes Windows a very appealing platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201020</id>
	<title>Linux Alex</title>
	<author>CopaceticOpus</author>
	<datestamp>1266603060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, a FOSS response to Microsoft Bob!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , a FOSS response to Microsoft Bob !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, a FOSS response to Microsoft Bob!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201520</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1266605220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For their monthly fee, customers also get anti-virus software and 10GB of storage space on the Broadband Computer Company's servers</i></p><p>And full of what looks like fud.   "anti-virus"... really....  What anti-virus software do that run that looks for Linux Viruses?  ClamAV looks for windows viruses only.   so unless it's scanning their incoming junk for windows viruses just to keep them from passing it along they are giving out fake stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For their monthly fee , customers also get anti-virus software and 10GB of storage space on the Broadband Computer Company 's serversAnd full of what looks like fud .
" anti-virus " ... really.... What anti-virus software do that run that looks for Linux Viruses ?
ClamAV looks for windows viruses only .
so unless it 's scanning their incoming junk for windows viruses just to keep them from passing it along they are giving out fake stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For their monthly fee, customers also get anti-virus software and 10GB of storage space on the Broadband Computer Company's serversAnd full of what looks like fud.
"anti-virus"... really....  What anti-virus software do that run that looks for Linux Viruses?
ClamAV looks for windows viruses only.
so unless it's scanning their incoming junk for windows viruses just to keep them from passing it along they are giving out fake stuff.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200966</id>
	<title>&pound;39.95 a month?</title>
	<author>phormalitize</author>
	<datestamp>1266602820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a slightly higher fee, can I just get someone who will use the computer for me whenever I need to do something on it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a slightly higher fee , can I just get someone who will use the computer for me whenever I need to do something on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a slightly higher fee, can I just get someone who will use the computer for me whenever I need to do something on it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201210</id>
	<title>"New Linux-Based Laptop For Computer Newbies"</title>
	<author>DJCouchyCouch</author>
	<datestamp>1266603840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This can't end well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This ca n't end well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This can't end well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201024</id>
	<title>Wait a second...</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1266603120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux... For the inexperienced?</p><p>And its not even Ubuntu?</p><p>Believe me, I've seen people so inept with computers that both the mouse and the keyboard seem like tools of frustration. And I daresay voice recognition, while getting close, is still not quite at the level for full operability.</p><p>And also - you CAN write badly written software for Linux. I once wrote an encryption tool that used random number generation, and not actually a key or passphrase supplied by the user. Needless to say, they were a little disappointed when their password didn't work to decrypt. Luckily I provided them with a brute force solution, that tried every possible combination, in order.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux... For the inexperienced ? And its not even Ubuntu ? Believe me , I 've seen people so inept with computers that both the mouse and the keyboard seem like tools of frustration .
And I daresay voice recognition , while getting close , is still not quite at the level for full operability.And also - you CAN write badly written software for Linux .
I once wrote an encryption tool that used random number generation , and not actually a key or passphrase supplied by the user .
Needless to say , they were a little disappointed when their password did n't work to decrypt .
Luckily I provided them with a brute force solution , that tried every possible combination , in order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux... For the inexperienced?And its not even Ubuntu?Believe me, I've seen people so inept with computers that both the mouse and the keyboard seem like tools of frustration.
And I daresay voice recognition, while getting close, is still not quite at the level for full operability.And also - you CAN write badly written software for Linux.
I once wrote an encryption tool that used random number generation, and not actually a key or passphrase supplied by the user.
Needless to say, they were a little disappointed when their password didn't work to decrypt.
Luckily I provided them with a brute force solution, that tried every possible combination, in order.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201122</id>
	<title>Re:&pound;39.95 a month?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1266603480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>For a slightly higher fee, can I just get someone who will use the computer for me whenever I need to do something on it?</i>
</p><p>
That's expensive.  IBM used to have that for their top executives, in the 1970s.  The executives got a 3270 display with a phone handset.  When they picked up the phone handset, they were connected to an operator who could bring up IBM internal financial and sales data.  Really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a slightly higher fee , can I just get someone who will use the computer for me whenever I need to do something on it ?
That 's expensive .
IBM used to have that for their top executives , in the 1970s .
The executives got a 3270 display with a phone handset .
When they picked up the phone handset , they were connected to an operator who could bring up IBM internal financial and sales data .
Really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
For a slightly higher fee, can I just get someone who will use the computer for me whenever I need to do something on it?
That's expensive.
IBM used to have that for their top executives, in the 1970s.
The executives got a 3270 display with a phone handset.
When they picked up the phone handset, they were connected to an operator who could bring up IBM internal financial and sales data.
Really.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200966</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31205712</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1266581580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I've reported five bugs to fedora &amp; kde this week<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. so I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
<br> <br>
Judging by the fact that he switched from windows to linux in the early stages makes me believe that he really meant that its easier for *them* to write bad software for windows. Quite possibly because there are less libraries to use when writing your own app on windows, forcing you to write your own implementation of something that distracts from your original focus for the app.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 've reported five bugs to fedora &amp; kde this week .. so I 'm not exactly sure what you mean .
Judging by the fact that he switched from windows to linux in the early stages makes me believe that he really meant that its easier for * them * to write bad software for windows .
Quite possibly because there are less libraries to use when writing your own app on windows , forcing you to write your own implementation of something that distracts from your original focus for the app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I've reported five bugs to fedora &amp; kde this week .. so I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
Judging by the fact that he switched from windows to linux in the early stages makes me believe that he really meant that its easier for *them* to write bad software for windows.
Quite possibly because there are less libraries to use when writing your own app on windows, forcing you to write your own implementation of something that distracts from your original focus for the app.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201676</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202568</id>
	<title>lol</title>
	<author>charliemopps11</author>
	<datestamp>1266611040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This company is going to sink like a stone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This company is going to sink like a stone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This company is going to sink like a stone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201592</id>
	<title>Re:unlike Mac or Linux</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1266605520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wish I could give you an extra +1 there.  It's simply ignorant FUD to state that any platform can't have badly written software.  I've seen badly written software running on multi-million dollar systems before.  It happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wish I could give you an extra + 1 there .
It 's simply ignorant FUD to state that any platform ca n't have badly written software .
I 've seen badly written software running on multi-million dollar systems before .
It happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wish I could give you an extra +1 there.
It's simply ignorant FUD to state that any platform can't have badly written software.
I've seen badly written software running on multi-million dollar systems before.
It happens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202026</id>
	<title>"Badly written software"</title>
	<author>Radical Moderate</author>
	<datestamp>1266607920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm assuming that he's referring to the fact that lots of old Windows software and even some new ones require the user to have admin rights in order to run properly.  That and the fact that Windows' handling of  user data has been a moving target from version to version makes for some real support nightmares that (to the best of my knowledge) you just don't see in the Mac and Linux world.<br> <br>
To put it in a nutshell, Mac and Linux are much more structured and consistent about separating user, system, and application files than Windows, and this makes software written for those platforms less likely to have problems.  In my experience of supporting hundreds of Macs and PCs running scores of applications, he's right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm assuming that he 's referring to the fact that lots of old Windows software and even some new ones require the user to have admin rights in order to run properly .
That and the fact that Windows ' handling of user data has been a moving target from version to version makes for some real support nightmares that ( to the best of my knowledge ) you just do n't see in the Mac and Linux world .
To put it in a nutshell , Mac and Linux are much more structured and consistent about separating user , system , and application files than Windows , and this makes software written for those platforms less likely to have problems .
In my experience of supporting hundreds of Macs and PCs running scores of applications , he 's right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm assuming that he's referring to the fact that lots of old Windows software and even some new ones require the user to have admin rights in order to run properly.
That and the fact that Windows' handling of  user data has been a moving target from version to version makes for some real support nightmares that (to the best of my knowledge) you just don't see in the Mac and Linux world.
To put it in a nutshell, Mac and Linux are much more structured and consistent about separating user, system, and application files than Windows, and this makes software written for those platforms less likely to have problems.
In my experience of supporting hundreds of Macs and PCs running scores of applications, he's right.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202272</id>
	<title>Re:I'm happy</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1266609360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was just thinking this could be an interesting concept for the Tandy brand in the US.  I know it's been a while, but they would have a brand from the past that they could leverage for something similar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was just thinking this could be an interesting concept for the Tandy brand in the US .
I know it 's been a while , but they would have a brand from the past that they could leverage for something similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was just thinking this could be an interesting concept for the Tandy brand in the US.
I know it's been a while, but they would have a brand from the past that they could leverage for something similar.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200992</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31204404</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266575400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page, send an OpenOffice document to his buddy (who uses MS) that opens with crapped-up formatting, or tries to connect to an Exchange server (and no, OWA light is not a good alternative), he's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.</p></div><p>WTF? Have you got a clue stick? Smack yourself over the head with it please. The people who this is aimed at have no idea what an <b>application</b> is, never mind shockwave web sites or an exchange server or what OWA is.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page , send an OpenOffice document to his buddy ( who uses MS ) that opens with crapped-up formatting , or tries to connect to an Exchange server ( and no , OWA light is not a good alternative ) , he 's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.WTF ?
Have you got a clue stick ?
Smack yourself over the head with it please .
The people who this is aimed at have no idea what an application is , never mind shockwave web sites or an exchange server or what OWA is .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page, send an OpenOffice document to his buddy (who uses MS) that opens with crapped-up formatting, or tries to connect to an Exchange server (and no, OWA light is not a good alternative), he's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.WTF?
Have you got a clue stick?
Smack yourself over the head with it please.
The people who this is aimed at have no idea what an application is, never mind shockwave web sites or an exchange server or what OWA is.
 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31209324</id>
	<title>Re:How many likely customers?</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1266671520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Millions.</p><p>Just because the first- and second-world countries have more computers than they know what to do with, doesn't mean that the same goes for all those billions of people in other countries .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Millions.Just because the first- and second-world countries have more computers than they know what to do with , does n't mean that the same goes for all those billions of people in other countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Millions.Just because the first- and second-world countries have more computers than they know what to do with, doesn't mean that the same goes for all those billions of people in other countries .</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201388</id>
	<title>Re:I'm happy</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1266604680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just dont expect any terminal or interface tweak options.</p><p>basically its what asus tried with the first netbook, and where apple have been going since the iphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just dont expect any terminal or interface tweak options.basically its what asus tried with the first netbook , and where apple have been going since the iphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just dont expect any terminal or interface tweak options.basically its what asus tried with the first netbook, and where apple have been going since the iphone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200992</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31202140</id>
	<title>Horsecrap</title>
	<author>fooslacker</author>
	<datestamp>1266608640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software &mdash; the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux</p></div><p>
Please, I've written crappy software on all sorts of OSes...quit being a fanboy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software    the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux Please , I 've written crappy software on all sorts of OSes...quit being a fanboy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software — the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux
Please, I've written crappy software on all sorts of OSes...quit being a fanboy.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201222</id>
	<title>Biggest Problem?</title>
	<author>WarlockSquire</author>
	<datestamp>1266603840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software &mdash; the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux."</p><p>agreed. &mdash; what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software    the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux. " agreed .
   what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software — the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux."agreed.
— what?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201158</id>
	<title>How many likely customers?</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1266603540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>you want to introduce millions of people to computing for the first time.</i></p><p>Ok. How many people out there have never seen a computer before? Besides newborns, and valley girls, how many people have not used a computer before?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you want to introduce millions of people to computing for the first time.Ok .
How many people out there have never seen a computer before ?
Besides newborns , and valley girls , how many people have not used a computer before ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you want to introduce millions of people to computing for the first time.Ok.
How many people out there have never seen a computer before?
Besides newborns, and valley girls, how many people have not used a computer before?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201612</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1266605580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't by chance happen to work on the Debian project do you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't by chance happen to work on the Debian project do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't by chance happen to work on the Debian project do you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201134</id>
	<title>Rip Off</title>
	<author>abigsmurf</author>
	<datestamp>1266603480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looked at the website.

They're charging &pound;400 for a minimum specced Celeron laptop. I can't even find a laptop worse than their one but you can get much better ones for &pound;300 (less if you want a net top). Other than that, the broadband and tech support is largely priced the same as similar services.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looked at the website .
They 're charging   400 for a minimum specced Celeron laptop .
I ca n't even find a laptop worse than their one but you can get much better ones for   300 ( less if you want a net top ) .
Other than that , the broadband and tech support is largely priced the same as similar services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looked at the website.
They're charging £400 for a minimum specced Celeron laptop.
I can't even find a laptop worse than their one but you can get much better ones for £300 (less if you want a net top).
Other than that, the broadband and tech support is largely priced the same as similar services.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201418</id>
	<title>Good luck with that</title>
	<author>C3ntaur</author>
	<datestamp>1266604800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the applications, stupid.</p><p>The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page, send an OpenOffice document to his buddy (who uses MS) that opens with crapped-up formatting, or tries to connect to an Exchange server (and no, OWA light is not a good alternative), he's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.</p><p>Badly written or no, the majority of the desktop/laptop world is using closed source products that are largely designed not to play well with anything else.  Add to that teams of developers on the closed source side who are paid to iron out the nagging little bugs and quirks that make the (G)UI experience uncomfortable to the end user, but that most open source developers aren't interested in dealing with (it's not an itch they need/want to scratch).  I don't know how open source can compete with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the applications , stupid.The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page , send an OpenOffice document to his buddy ( who uses MS ) that opens with crapped-up formatting , or tries to connect to an Exchange server ( and no , OWA light is not a good alternative ) , he 's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.Badly written or no , the majority of the desktop/laptop world is using closed source products that are largely designed not to play well with anything else .
Add to that teams of developers on the closed source side who are paid to iron out the nagging little bugs and quirks that make the ( G ) UI experience uncomfortable to the end user , but that most open source developers are n't interested in dealing with ( it 's not an itch they need/want to scratch ) .
I do n't know how open source can compete with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the applications, stupid.The first time Joe Newbie tries to open a Shockwave web page, send an OpenOffice document to his buddy (who uses MS) that opens with crapped-up formatting, or tries to connect to an Exchange server (and no, OWA light is not a good alternative), he's going to have a bad taste in his mouth.Badly written or no, the majority of the desktop/laptop world is using closed source products that are largely designed not to play well with anything else.
Add to that teams of developers on the closed source side who are paid to iron out the nagging little bugs and quirks that make the (G)UI experience uncomfortable to the end user, but that most open source developers aren't interested in dealing with (it's not an itch they need/want to scratch).
I don't know how open source can compete with that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201064</id>
	<title>BBC?</title>
	<author>ak\_hepcat</author>
	<datestamp>1266603240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will be helpful to the geeks BBC, whom have been trying to get and keep support for non-microsoft browsers alive.</p><p>Unfortunately, this probably won't be alive long enough to make a difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will be helpful to the geeks BBC , whom have been trying to get and keep support for non-microsoft browsers alive.Unfortunately , this probably wo n't be alive long enough to make a difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will be helpful to the geeks BBC, whom have been trying to get and keep support for non-microsoft browsers alive.Unfortunately, this probably won't be alive long enough to make a difference.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31208082</id>
	<title>Re:um...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266604620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe - but there is SQUEAK and Smalltalk</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe - but there is SQUEAK and Smalltalk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe - but there is SQUEAK and Smalltalk</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200990</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200914</id>
	<title>Give it to newborns</title>
	<author>ls671</author>
	<datestamp>1266602580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give it to newborns before they get intoxicated be anything else.</p><p>&gt; The BBC is carrying a report on how people confused and frustrated by computers can now turn to...</p><p>Those people might already suffer from permanent damages from using what they are using now....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-))</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give it to newborns before they get intoxicated be anything else. &gt; The BBC is carrying a report on how people confused and frustrated by computers can now turn to...Those people might already suffer from permanent damages from using what they are using now.... ; - ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give it to newborns before they get intoxicated be anything else.&gt; The BBC is carrying a report on how people confused and frustrated by computers can now turn to...Those people might already suffer from permanent damages from using what they are using now.... ;-))</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201240</id>
	<title>Take that, iPad!</title>
	<author>etherDave</author>
	<datestamp>1266603900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...seeing as the overwhelming conclusion drawn about the iPad I have encountered is "this will be great for my grandma."
NOW my grandma can have something more affordable, and something that I won't hate to help my grandma use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...seeing as the overwhelming conclusion drawn about the iPad I have encountered is " this will be great for my grandma .
" NOW my grandma can have something more affordable , and something that I wo n't hate to help my grandma use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...seeing as the overwhelming conclusion drawn about the iPad I have encountered is "this will be great for my grandma.
"
NOW my grandma can have something more affordable, and something that I won't hate to help my grandma use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201504</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1266605160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Linux... For the inexperienced?</i> <br> <br>
Actually, the idea isn't that implausible. I had my wife running Slackware on her computer for several years until she went over to the Dark Side and got a Mac. Actually, she had a good enough reason for the latter: she wanted to use EndNote with MSOffice to write her PhD thesis.<br> <br>
I know there are alternatives and all that, but my point is that so long as you set the machine up well, Linux boxes are just as accessible as any Windows (or indeed Mac) implementation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux... For the inexperienced ?
Actually , the idea is n't that implausible .
I had my wife running Slackware on her computer for several years until she went over to the Dark Side and got a Mac .
Actually , she had a good enough reason for the latter : she wanted to use EndNote with MSOffice to write her PhD thesis .
I know there are alternatives and all that , but my point is that so long as you set the machine up well , Linux boxes are just as accessible as any Windows ( or indeed Mac ) implementation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux... For the inexperienced?
Actually, the idea isn't that implausible.
I had my wife running Slackware on her computer for several years until she went over to the Dark Side and got a Mac.
Actually, she had a good enough reason for the latter: she wanted to use EndNote with MSOffice to write her PhD thesis.
I know there are alternatives and all that, but my point is that so long as you set the machine up well, Linux boxes are just as accessible as any Windows (or indeed Mac) implementation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31210060</id>
	<title>Just tell them not to.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266682020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, it is that simple.</p><p>You need to share documents? Ask them to use Google Docs.</p><p>Shockwave? What is that exactly? Where it is used? I can open all the videos in the web with abandon, unless some platform tries to reinvent the wheel for nefarious selfish purposes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , it is that simple.You need to share documents ?
Ask them to use Google Docs.Shockwave ?
What is that exactly ?
Where it is used ?
I can open all the videos in the web with abandon , unless some platform tries to reinvent the wheel for nefarious selfish purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, it is that simple.You need to share documents?
Ask them to use Google Docs.Shockwave?
What is that exactly?
Where it is used?
I can open all the videos in the web with abandon, unless some platform tries to reinvent the wheel for nefarious selfish purposes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201658</id>
	<title>This business is doomed.</title>
	<author>jwietelmann</author>
	<datestamp>1266605820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now don't get me wrong; I'm fine with people making money on Linux, but this whole business model does stink of shameless freeloading.  And FOSS freeloaders never seem to last long in the market.</p><p>It seems like they're just going to take an established distro, make a couple UI modifications, and add a proprietary app store.  Then they're going to make customers buy the (overpriced) computer, yet still charge a subscription for not just broadband (which is reasonable) but software updates.  Software updates that other people wrote and tend to provide for free.  And then there's that app store, and I think you're right:  They're probably going to make users pay for software that otherwise would be completely free.</p><p>The Linux ecosystem seems to have a way of punishing freeloaders who monetize FOSS without contributing substantial added value.  And this business does not seem to add enough value.  Rather than developing for a new distro, wouldn't time be better spent creating an Ubuntu, Mandriva, or SUSE store in which for-pay apps are sold alongside free downloads of free-as-in-beer proprietary software and FOSS.  Now <em>that</em> would be something that really adds value.</p><p> <em>BTW, I am aware that Ubuntu is considering some sort of "app store" interface; I just don't know exactly how that's intended to operate.</em></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now do n't get me wrong ; I 'm fine with people making money on Linux , but this whole business model does stink of shameless freeloading .
And FOSS freeloaders never seem to last long in the market.It seems like they 're just going to take an established distro , make a couple UI modifications , and add a proprietary app store .
Then they 're going to make customers buy the ( overpriced ) computer , yet still charge a subscription for not just broadband ( which is reasonable ) but software updates .
Software updates that other people wrote and tend to provide for free .
And then there 's that app store , and I think you 're right : They 're probably going to make users pay for software that otherwise would be completely free.The Linux ecosystem seems to have a way of punishing freeloaders who monetize FOSS without contributing substantial added value .
And this business does not seem to add enough value .
Rather than developing for a new distro , would n't time be better spent creating an Ubuntu , Mandriva , or SUSE store in which for-pay apps are sold alongside free downloads of free-as-in-beer proprietary software and FOSS .
Now that would be something that really adds value .
BTW , I am aware that Ubuntu is considering some sort of " app store " interface ; I just do n't know exactly how that 's intended to operate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now don't get me wrong; I'm fine with people making money on Linux, but this whole business model does stink of shameless freeloading.
And FOSS freeloaders never seem to last long in the market.It seems like they're just going to take an established distro, make a couple UI modifications, and add a proprietary app store.
Then they're going to make customers buy the (overpriced) computer, yet still charge a subscription for not just broadband (which is reasonable) but software updates.
Software updates that other people wrote and tend to provide for free.
And then there's that app store, and I think you're right:  They're probably going to make users pay for software that otherwise would be completely free.The Linux ecosystem seems to have a way of punishing freeloaders who monetize FOSS without contributing substantial added value.
And this business does not seem to add enough value.
Rather than developing for a new distro, wouldn't time be better spent creating an Ubuntu, Mandriva, or SUSE store in which for-pay apps are sold alongside free downloads of free-as-in-beer proprietary software and FOSS.
Now that would be something that really adds value.
BTW, I am aware that Ubuntu is considering some sort of "app store" interface; I just don't know exactly how that's intended to operate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31200984</id>
	<title>badly-written software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266602880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software -- the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux."</p></div><p>wat</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software -- the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux .
" wat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The biggest problem with Microsoft is badly-written software -- the operating system allows you to write software badly unlike Mac or Linux.
"wat
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31204190</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1266574320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you did implement voice recognition, you would have to return to a command line environment... Talking is much closer to a command line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you did implement voice recognition , you would have to return to a command line environment... Talking is much closer to a command line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you did implement voice recognition, you would have to return to a command line environment... Talking is much closer to a command line.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31207962</id>
	<title>Simplified?</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1266602820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hear that it looks like this when you start it up.  It might look simple, but you can do anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear that it looks like this when you start it up .
It might look simple , but you can do anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear that it looks like this when you start it up.
It might look simple, but you can do anything.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1452240.31201094</id>
	<title>Re:Can't be serious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266603360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't say have - all my software is perfectly written. If only there weren't such a disconcerting amount of bad users out there!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't say have - all my software is perfectly written .
If only there were n't such a disconcerting amount of bad users out there !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't say have - all my software is perfectly written.
If only there weren't such a disconcerting amount of bad users out there!</sentencetext>
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