<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_19_1319201</id>
	<title>Toei Animation Thinks Mobiles Could Save Anime</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1266588540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>andylim writes to share that according to a recent interview, Toei Animation, producers of Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball z, think that <a href="http://recombu.com/news/animobile-toei-animation-thinks-mobiles-could-save-anime\_M11453.html">mobile phones and tablets could help save the anime industry</a>, which is being heavily damaged by piracy.  Unfortunately the difficulty is getting all of the players to move in the same direction.  <i>"We think it's an incredibly exciting opportunity. Manufacturers and networks are going to need more than touchscreens and Twitter to shift phones in the future &mdash; content such as Toei's will hopefully add that extra value. Unfortunately, Ebato and Song haven't been inundated with requests for information.  'There's no convergence... the tech people and the content people aren't talking,' adds Song. In fact Song's last statement to us is much more than an anecdotal truth, it's the heart of the matter. It's not enough that Apple and Amazon are talking to content creators, everyone should be doing it. Of course, a good start would be to not hide people like Ebato and Song in distant exhibition halls, where only we can find them."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>andylim writes to share that according to a recent interview , Toei Animation , producers of Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball z , think that mobile phones and tablets could help save the anime industry , which is being heavily damaged by piracy .
Unfortunately the difficulty is getting all of the players to move in the same direction .
" We think it 's an incredibly exciting opportunity .
Manufacturers and networks are going to need more than touchscreens and Twitter to shift phones in the future    content such as Toei 's will hopefully add that extra value .
Unfortunately , Ebato and Song have n't been inundated with requests for information .
'There 's no convergence... the tech people and the content people are n't talking, ' adds Song .
In fact Song 's last statement to us is much more than an anecdotal truth , it 's the heart of the matter .
It 's not enough that Apple and Amazon are talking to content creators , everyone should be doing it .
Of course , a good start would be to not hide people like Ebato and Song in distant exhibition halls , where only we can find them .
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<sentencetext>andylim writes to share that according to a recent interview, Toei Animation, producers of Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball z, think that mobile phones and tablets could help save the anime industry, which is being heavily damaged by piracy.
Unfortunately the difficulty is getting all of the players to move in the same direction.
"We think it's an incredibly exciting opportunity.
Manufacturers and networks are going to need more than touchscreens and Twitter to shift phones in the future — content such as Toei's will hopefully add that extra value.
Unfortunately, Ebato and Song haven't been inundated with requests for information.
'There's no convergence... the tech people and the content people aren't talking,' adds Song.
In fact Song's last statement to us is much more than an anecdotal truth, it's the heart of the matter.
It's not enough that Apple and Amazon are talking to content creators, everyone should be doing it.
Of course, a good start would be to not hide people like Ebato and Song in distant exhibition halls, where only we can find them.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31202942</id>
	<title>Make the DVDs better than fansubs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266612780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the anime studios would make better subs, i would be inclined to replace my collection instead of buying what i keep with my backups. The english subs are from the english voice-overs that are used and are timed to the mouth of the characters, therefore they add/remove information and many things are lost in those translations... If they would give us a second track for the subs when we're watching with the original language, a "litteral translation" track, i would be more inclined to buy the legit ones instead of keeping my fansub version because it's far more superior...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the anime studios would make better subs , i would be inclined to replace my collection instead of buying what i keep with my backups .
The english subs are from the english voice-overs that are used and are timed to the mouth of the characters , therefore they add/remove information and many things are lost in those translations... If they would give us a second track for the subs when we 're watching with the original language , a " litteral translation " track , i would be more inclined to buy the legit ones instead of keeping my fansub version because it 's far more superior.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the anime studios would make better subs, i would be inclined to replace my collection instead of buying what i keep with my backups.
The english subs are from the english voice-overs that are used and are timed to the mouth of the characters, therefore they add/remove information and many things are lost in those translations... If they would give us a second track for the subs when we're watching with the original language, a "litteral translation" track, i would be more inclined to buy the legit ones instead of keeping my fansub version because it's far more superior...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199418</id>
	<title>Re:destroyed by piracy? How?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266595860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the companies offered a way to purchase and download it directly from them I wouldn't mind paying twenty dollars for a season or maybe x amount per episode. The problem is would their subs be on par with the fan groups?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the companies offered a way to purchase and download it directly from them I would n't mind paying twenty dollars for a season or maybe x amount per episode .
The problem is would their subs be on par with the fan groups ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the companies offered a way to purchase and download it directly from them I wouldn't mind paying twenty dollars for a season or maybe x amount per episode.
The problem is would their subs be on par with the fan groups?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31198902</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31200818</id>
	<title>Applicable to overseas Anime markets ONLY</title>
	<author>vampire\_baozi</author>
	<datestamp>1266602040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Piracy brought Anime to America, and sustains other markets as well, where Japanese prices are too high (China, Taiwan: manga insanely popular, but everyone buys pirates versions or reads scanlations online).  The producers of manga and anime do so primarily for the Japanese market, which remains highly profitable.  Unless the Japanese start pirating, the industry will do fine, and keep producing.  Manga and anime needs to be as popular overseas as it is in Japan for traditional print distribution or dubbing studios to be profitable.  The only places besides Japan where manga is that popular is China/Taiwan/Korea, and they have the same piracy issues as America, since noone there wants to pay for inferior service (long wait times and poor voice acting), compared to the superiority of fans who do it for the love of the medium.</p><p>Bottom line: Overseas production companies are going to hemmorhage money.</p><p>Also, I'm not crying about this.  Fans do an awesome job of translating.  There are far more fansubs and fan translations available than official licensed translations.  Where they do buy rights to huge series, the pirated version has been out long before.  I don't want to wait months for some company to wade through licensure and waiting for completed books; I happily read it the day it comes out in Japan, as it is usually scanned and translated within 3 hours, tops.  Most fan translations do a great job, and I hate dubs with a passion.  Why on earth should I pay for the DVD or a bound book?</p><p>Plus, the intersection of the anime/manga crowd and the geek crowd is a fairly large set.  We're not stupid, and know how to use the internet(s) to get what we want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Piracy brought Anime to America , and sustains other markets as well , where Japanese prices are too high ( China , Taiwan : manga insanely popular , but everyone buys pirates versions or reads scanlations online ) .
The producers of manga and anime do so primarily for the Japanese market , which remains highly profitable .
Unless the Japanese start pirating , the industry will do fine , and keep producing .
Manga and anime needs to be as popular overseas as it is in Japan for traditional print distribution or dubbing studios to be profitable .
The only places besides Japan where manga is that popular is China/Taiwan/Korea , and they have the same piracy issues as America , since noone there wants to pay for inferior service ( long wait times and poor voice acting ) , compared to the superiority of fans who do it for the love of the medium.Bottom line : Overseas production companies are going to hemmorhage money.Also , I 'm not crying about this .
Fans do an awesome job of translating .
There are far more fansubs and fan translations available than official licensed translations .
Where they do buy rights to huge series , the pirated version has been out long before .
I do n't want to wait months for some company to wade through licensure and waiting for completed books ; I happily read it the day it comes out in Japan , as it is usually scanned and translated within 3 hours , tops .
Most fan translations do a great job , and I hate dubs with a passion .
Why on earth should I pay for the DVD or a bound book ? Plus , the intersection of the anime/manga crowd and the geek crowd is a fairly large set .
We 're not stupid , and know how to use the internet ( s ) to get what we want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Piracy brought Anime to America, and sustains other markets as well, where Japanese prices are too high (China, Taiwan: manga insanely popular, but everyone buys pirates versions or reads scanlations online).
The producers of manga and anime do so primarily for the Japanese market, which remains highly profitable.
Unless the Japanese start pirating, the industry will do fine, and keep producing.
Manga and anime needs to be as popular overseas as it is in Japan for traditional print distribution or dubbing studios to be profitable.
The only places besides Japan where manga is that popular is China/Taiwan/Korea, and they have the same piracy issues as America, since noone there wants to pay for inferior service (long wait times and poor voice acting), compared to the superiority of fans who do it for the love of the medium.Bottom line: Overseas production companies are going to hemmorhage money.Also, I'm not crying about this.
Fans do an awesome job of translating.
There are far more fansubs and fan translations available than official licensed translations.
Where they do buy rights to huge series, the pirated version has been out long before.
I don't want to wait months for some company to wade through licensure and waiting for completed books; I happily read it the day it comes out in Japan, as it is usually scanned and translated within 3 hours, tops.
Most fan translations do a great job, and I hate dubs with a passion.
Why on earth should I pay for the DVD or a bound book?Plus, the intersection of the anime/manga crowd and the geek crowd is a fairly large set.
We're not stupid, and know how to use the internet(s) to get what we want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199968</id>
	<title>Pricing and Availability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266598380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a reason why most people pirate or use fan subs, because it's simply not available here or outrageously expensive (Here being the UK). We often have to wait several years after the original airing before Region 2 DVDs are available. While the US may have to wait a year (!) we have to wait much longer. Sure, we can import R1 DVDs but often at great expense both for postage and import duties. The few series that are available here are often hugely overpriced. I do buy DVDs when they are available and affordable, but I have no option other than to resort to piracy. There also seems to be a distinct lack of HD formats available here, and those that are available are even more expensive.
<br> <br>
Make it available, make it affordable and we'll buy it. I don't mind if you only subtitle it rather than having to pay for a set of expensive English voice actors. I always watch with subtitles on anyway so dubs are useless to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason why most people pirate or use fan subs , because it 's simply not available here or outrageously expensive ( Here being the UK ) .
We often have to wait several years after the original airing before Region 2 DVDs are available .
While the US may have to wait a year ( !
) we have to wait much longer .
Sure , we can import R1 DVDs but often at great expense both for postage and import duties .
The few series that are available here are often hugely overpriced .
I do buy DVDs when they are available and affordable , but I have no option other than to resort to piracy .
There also seems to be a distinct lack of HD formats available here , and those that are available are even more expensive .
Make it available , make it affordable and we 'll buy it .
I do n't mind if you only subtitle it rather than having to pay for a set of expensive English voice actors .
I always watch with subtitles on anyway so dubs are useless to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a reason why most people pirate or use fan subs, because it's simply not available here or outrageously expensive (Here being the UK).
We often have to wait several years after the original airing before Region 2 DVDs are available.
While the US may have to wait a year (!
) we have to wait much longer.
Sure, we can import R1 DVDs but often at great expense both for postage and import duties.
The few series that are available here are often hugely overpriced.
I do buy DVDs when they are available and affordable, but I have no option other than to resort to piracy.
There also seems to be a distinct lack of HD formats available here, and those that are available are even more expensive.
Make it available, make it affordable and we'll buy it.
I don't mind if you only subtitle it rather than having to pay for a set of expensive English voice actors.
I always watch with subtitles on anyway so dubs are useless to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31202758</id>
	<title>Re:Better Quality + Lower Price = Fix (sorta)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266611940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a fan-subber myself, I can attest to the fact that my groups/most others would be happy to GIVE the publishers the translations for their editing/translation checking for free.<br>The real thing that angers me is how shittily publishers encode their video both both their streaming and DVD/blurays.  Honestly sometimes i wonder WTF they are doing since I can take a Television Rip and make it look better then the US DVD's.  It isn't like it would take a massive render farm or anything, hell my current old c2d can produce a 1080p h.264 @bluray-compatablity in around 18 hours and it would be around half of the size of the original bluray.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a fan-subber myself , I can attest to the fact that my groups/most others would be happy to GIVE the publishers the translations for their editing/translation checking for free.The real thing that angers me is how shittily publishers encode their video both both their streaming and DVD/blurays .
Honestly sometimes i wonder WTF they are doing since I can take a Television Rip and make it look better then the US DVD 's .
It is n't like it would take a massive render farm or anything , hell my current old c2d can produce a 1080p h.264 @ bluray-compatablity in around 18 hours and it would be around half of the size of the original bluray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a fan-subber myself, I can attest to the fact that my groups/most others would be happy to GIVE the publishers the translations for their editing/translation checking for free.The real thing that angers me is how shittily publishers encode their video both both their streaming and DVD/blurays.
Honestly sometimes i wonder WTF they are doing since I can take a Television Rip and make it look better then the US DVD's.
It isn't like it would take a massive render farm or anything, hell my current old c2d can produce a 1080p h.264 @bluray-compatablity in around 18 hours and it would be around half of the size of the original bluray.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199454</id>
	<title>Re:know what would REALLY save Anime?</title>
	<author>scottfrye</author>
	<datestamp>1266596040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know they dont really release anime that way anymore. Usually, you can get a complete anime series for about $30 - $40. Anime does come in reasonable prices.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know they dont really release anime that way anymore .
Usually , you can get a complete anime series for about $ 30 - $ 40 .
Anime does come in reasonable prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know they dont really release anime that way anymore.
Usually, you can get a complete anime series for about $30 - $40.
Anime does come in reasonable prices.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31200002</id>
	<title>Re:know what would REALLY save Anime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266598560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only from the perspective of Americans.  To the Japanese, $30 for 4 episodes of the latest anime is half off.</p><p>But manga is much cheaper in Japan than the US.  Go figure...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only from the perspective of Americans .
To the Japanese , $ 30 for 4 episodes of the latest anime is half off.But manga is much cheaper in Japan than the US .
Go figure.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only from the perspective of Americans.
To the Japanese, $30 for 4 episodes of the latest anime is half off.But manga is much cheaper in Japan than the US.
Go figure...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31200174</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>DoctorFuji</author>
	<datestamp>1266599400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obvious flamebait. Get real dude.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obvious flamebait .
Get real dude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obvious flamebait.
Get real dude.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31198960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31198960</id>
	<title>Question</title>
	<author>thatskinnyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1266593700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who would pay to watch cartoons? Anime, manga, whatever the hell kids are calling it this month... All just cartoons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would pay to watch cartoons ?
Anime , manga , whatever the hell kids are calling it this month... All just cartoons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would pay to watch cartoons?
Anime, manga, whatever the hell kids are calling it this month... All just cartoons.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199976</id>
	<title>Here's what happened to Anime</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266598440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Some Americans start watching Anime because it has cool sci-fi/fantasy stuff that American TV can't pull off<br>2. In the early 2000s it becomes a fad where droves of Americans watch some of the more "western-friendly" anime because it's "in"<br>3. The Anime companies in Japan realize there's a cash cow in America and start putting out truckloads of "western-friendly" but poor-quality anime<br>4. The original viewers give up on watching because much of the new anime is junk<br>5. Around 2007 the fad ends, the droves go somewhere else<br>6. The Anime companies are left holding the bag -- the original fans left because of the westernized junk anime, the "fad" droves left because the fad is over<br>7. Blame piracy.</p><p>That having been said, the Anime companies are slowly returning to putting out creative, original shows.  That, I think, is ultimately what will "save anime."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Some Americans start watching Anime because it has cool sci-fi/fantasy stuff that American TV ca n't pull off2 .
In the early 2000s it becomes a fad where droves of Americans watch some of the more " western-friendly " anime because it 's " in " 3 .
The Anime companies in Japan realize there 's a cash cow in America and start putting out truckloads of " western-friendly " but poor-quality anime4 .
The original viewers give up on watching because much of the new anime is junk5 .
Around 2007 the fad ends , the droves go somewhere else6 .
The Anime companies are left holding the bag -- the original fans left because of the westernized junk anime , the " fad " droves left because the fad is over7 .
Blame piracy.That having been said , the Anime companies are slowly returning to putting out creative , original shows .
That , I think , is ultimately what will " save anime .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Some Americans start watching Anime because it has cool sci-fi/fantasy stuff that American TV can't pull off2.
In the early 2000s it becomes a fad where droves of Americans watch some of the more "western-friendly" anime because it's "in"3.
The Anime companies in Japan realize there's a cash cow in America and start putting out truckloads of "western-friendly" but poor-quality anime4.
The original viewers give up on watching because much of the new anime is junk5.
Around 2007 the fad ends, the droves go somewhere else6.
The Anime companies are left holding the bag -- the original fans left because of the westernized junk anime, the "fad" droves left because the fad is over7.
Blame piracy.That having been said, the Anime companies are slowly returning to putting out creative, original shows.
That, I think, is ultimately what will "save anime.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199732</id>
	<title>Oh hai</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266597360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect any of you either.<br>
&nbsp; <br>No matter what people do to stop "piracy", the fansubs/full discography torrents/etc will still be easily available to people who know where to look.<br>
&nbsp; <br>In the above phrase, replace "where to look" with "how to use Google".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't affect me .
It does n't affect any of you either .
  No matter what people do to stop " piracy " , the fansubs/full discography torrents/etc will still be easily available to people who know where to look .
  In the above phrase , replace " where to look " with " how to use Google " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't affect me.
It doesn't affect any of you either.
  No matter what people do to stop "piracy", the fansubs/full discography torrents/etc will still be easily available to people who know where to look.
  In the above phrase, replace "where to look" with "how to use Google".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31200200</id>
	<title>Piracy is not to blame for the downturn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266599520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bad translations and terrible voice acting on already badly scripted dubs are much more responsible for the "downturn of the industry" than piracy. If anything, piracy was a big aid to the industry, because it brought awareness to an otherwise unnoticed aspect of an overseas culture.</p><p>But the big companies were not able to compete with the pirates simply because they were not offering a better product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad translations and terrible voice acting on already badly scripted dubs are much more responsible for the " downturn of the industry " than piracy .
If anything , piracy was a big aid to the industry , because it brought awareness to an otherwise unnoticed aspect of an overseas culture.But the big companies were not able to compete with the pirates simply because they were not offering a better product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad translations and terrible voice acting on already badly scripted dubs are much more responsible for the "downturn of the industry" than piracy.
If anything, piracy was a big aid to the industry, because it brought awareness to an otherwise unnoticed aspect of an overseas culture.But the big companies were not able to compete with the pirates simply because they were not offering a better product.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31205596</id>
	<title>Re:Applicable to overseas Anime markets ONLY</title>
	<author>DMUTPeregrine</author>
	<datestamp>1266580860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I buy the Hellsing books. I also download the scanlations because I hate waiting months to read the manga. With some manga/anime series I've seen fewer spelling/grammar errors in the scanlations/fansubs than in the official releases. Offering a lesser product for a higher price is unacceptable in any market with competition. If more manga/anime came out at the same time (or within a few days) of the original and at good quality I'd buy more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I buy the Hellsing books .
I also download the scanlations because I hate waiting months to read the manga .
With some manga/anime series I 've seen fewer spelling/grammar errors in the scanlations/fansubs than in the official releases .
Offering a lesser product for a higher price is unacceptable in any market with competition .
If more manga/anime came out at the same time ( or within a few days ) of the original and at good quality I 'd buy more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I buy the Hellsing books.
I also download the scanlations because I hate waiting months to read the manga.
With some manga/anime series I've seen fewer spelling/grammar errors in the scanlations/fansubs than in the official releases.
Offering a lesser product for a higher price is unacceptable in any market with competition.
If more manga/anime came out at the same time (or within a few days) of the original and at good quality I'd buy more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31200818</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199826</id>
	<title>Re:know what would REALLY save Anime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266597840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a lot of irony in this, this is specially troublesome because they also a bundling a product that a good portion of the fan base doesn't want.</p><p>Subtitles and specially dubs.</p><p>Yes, even most hardcore fans need subtitles, but a lot of people are willing to make these for free, on top of that, fabsubs often are deemed superior to professional adaptations, making the forced sale of these a rip off.</p><p>Then, there is the even more expensive option of dubbing, which among the hardcore fans is almost universally reviled.</p><p>Of course without dubs, most of the casual clients wouldn't buy the product, so they effectively end up in a position where they have to make the product less appealing to loyal buyers to make it more appealing to casual buyers.</p><p>They could have it both ways if they got smart, which they wont.</p><p>It reminds me, and it's definitively related, to a saying in a recent slashdot post about pirated software, it goes like this:</p><p>Pirated software treat you as a person, legally bought software treat you like a pirate.</p><p>The same thing can be said of anime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a lot of irony in this , this is specially troublesome because they also a bundling a product that a good portion of the fan base does n't want.Subtitles and specially dubs.Yes , even most hardcore fans need subtitles , but a lot of people are willing to make these for free , on top of that , fabsubs often are deemed superior to professional adaptations , making the forced sale of these a rip off.Then , there is the even more expensive option of dubbing , which among the hardcore fans is almost universally reviled.Of course without dubs , most of the casual clients would n't buy the product , so they effectively end up in a position where they have to make the product less appealing to loyal buyers to make it more appealing to casual buyers.They could have it both ways if they got smart , which they wont.It reminds me , and it 's definitively related , to a saying in a recent slashdot post about pirated software , it goes like this : Pirated software treat you as a person , legally bought software treat you like a pirate.The same thing can be said of anime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a lot of irony in this, this is specially troublesome because they also a bundling a product that a good portion of the fan base doesn't want.Subtitles and specially dubs.Yes, even most hardcore fans need subtitles, but a lot of people are willing to make these for free, on top of that, fabsubs often are deemed superior to professional adaptations, making the forced sale of these a rip off.Then, there is the even more expensive option of dubbing, which among the hardcore fans is almost universally reviled.Of course without dubs, most of the casual clients wouldn't buy the product, so they effectively end up in a position where they have to make the product less appealing to loyal buyers to make it more appealing to casual buyers.They could have it both ways if they got smart, which they wont.It reminds me, and it's definitively related, to a saying in a recent slashdot post about pirated software, it goes like this:Pirated software treat you as a person, legally bought software treat you like a pirate.The same thing can be said of anime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199816</id>
	<title>Want to help anime grow?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266597780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anime is stuck in a rut right now because there is so little innovation.  So much anime these days is the same old ideas with different characters.  It's getting as bad as prime time comedies here in the US.  You know, the ones which don't last more than a few episodes because, executive assurances to the contrary, they suck and people don't watch them.</p><p>You want a better anime market?  More <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao\_Miyazaki" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Miyazaki</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio\_Ghibli" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Ghibli</a> [wikipedia.org], less <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe\_(slang)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">moe</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinichi\_Watanabe" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Nabeshin</a> [wikipedia.org].  (I have a lot of respect for Nabeshin, but his recent anime are almost completely in-jokes and fourth-wall breakage.)  So much modern anime now has all the depth of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.  Heck, for years there has been a glut of anime which is not porn by Japanese standards but is porn by US standards (specifically, topless women without the details removed, beyond the Barbie-doll nudity of before), so it's far less likely to ever get imported.</p><p>Add to this the fact that the markets and exchange rate, right now, aren't doing any favors.  The going rate for a single OVA in Japan is some 5000 yen.  That's about $50 here in the US, which is priced right out of the market.  However, if an American licensee sells for a reasonable-to-us price ($10-15 or so per DVD), then it creates a <i>huge</i> incentive for Japanese to re-import the American version, because it's so much cheaper that way.  This kills sales in Japan, which scares the bejeezus out of the licensors, so they mandate a minimum price in the $20-30 range here.  Thus a piracy market is created.  It's simple microeconomics (i.e. price supports).  There's no good outcome here so long as the Japanese product is overpriced compared to international markets.</p><p>Mobile devices will buy time.  They won't save their market any more than Internet presence is saving print news.  That's all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anime is stuck in a rut right now because there is so little innovation .
So much anime these days is the same old ideas with different characters .
It 's getting as bad as prime time comedies here in the US .
You know , the ones which do n't last more than a few episodes because , executive assurances to the contrary , they suck and people do n't watch them.You want a better anime market ?
More Miyazaki [ wikipedia.org ] and Ghibli [ wikipedia.org ] , less moe [ wikipedia.org ] and Nabeshin [ wikipedia.org ] .
( I have a lot of respect for Nabeshin , but his recent anime are almost completely in-jokes and fourth-wall breakage .
) So much modern anime now has all the depth of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue .
Heck , for years there has been a glut of anime which is not porn by Japanese standards but is porn by US standards ( specifically , topless women without the details removed , beyond the Barbie-doll nudity of before ) , so it 's far less likely to ever get imported.Add to this the fact that the markets and exchange rate , right now , are n't doing any favors .
The going rate for a single OVA in Japan is some 5000 yen .
That 's about $ 50 here in the US , which is priced right out of the market .
However , if an American licensee sells for a reasonable-to-us price ( $ 10-15 or so per DVD ) , then it creates a huge incentive for Japanese to re-import the American version , because it 's so much cheaper that way .
This kills sales in Japan , which scares the bejeezus out of the licensors , so they mandate a minimum price in the $ 20-30 range here .
Thus a piracy market is created .
It 's simple microeconomics ( i.e .
price supports ) .
There 's no good outcome here so long as the Japanese product is overpriced compared to international markets.Mobile devices will buy time .
They wo n't save their market any more than Internet presence is saving print news .
That 's all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anime is stuck in a rut right now because there is so little innovation.
So much anime these days is the same old ideas with different characters.
It's getting as bad as prime time comedies here in the US.
You know, the ones which don't last more than a few episodes because, executive assurances to the contrary, they suck and people don't watch them.You want a better anime market?
More Miyazaki [wikipedia.org] and Ghibli [wikipedia.org], less moe [wikipedia.org] and Nabeshin [wikipedia.org].
(I have a lot of respect for Nabeshin, but his recent anime are almost completely in-jokes and fourth-wall breakage.
)  So much modern anime now has all the depth of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
Heck, for years there has been a glut of anime which is not porn by Japanese standards but is porn by US standards (specifically, topless women without the details removed, beyond the Barbie-doll nudity of before), so it's far less likely to ever get imported.Add to this the fact that the markets and exchange rate, right now, aren't doing any favors.
The going rate for a single OVA in Japan is some 5000 yen.
That's about $50 here in the US, which is priced right out of the market.
However, if an American licensee sells for a reasonable-to-us price ($10-15 or so per DVD), then it creates a huge incentive for Japanese to re-import the American version, because it's so much cheaper that way.
This kills sales in Japan, which scares the bejeezus out of the licensors, so they mandate a minimum price in the $20-30 range here.
Thus a piracy market is created.
It's simple microeconomics (i.e.
price supports).
There's no good outcome here so long as the Japanese product is overpriced compared to international markets.Mobile devices will buy time.
They won't save their market any more than Internet presence is saving print news.
That's all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199226</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266594840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would, if the price was reasonable ($1 per episode, good quality downloadables). I mean, why not? I pay for my games. I pay for my music. I pay for my books. Hell, I even pay for printed copies of stuff I can read for free (legally!) on the web like webcomics, so I may support the authors. What's wrong with paying for stuff, if that's stuff has value for you?</p><p>Or are you just trolling cartoons, anime, animation in general because you don't like it?</p><p>And you don't watch manga, you <i>read</i> manga.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would , if the price was reasonable ( $ 1 per episode , good quality downloadables ) .
I mean , why not ?
I pay for my games .
I pay for my music .
I pay for my books .
Hell , I even pay for printed copies of stuff I can read for free ( legally !
) on the web like webcomics , so I may support the authors .
What 's wrong with paying for stuff , if that 's stuff has value for you ? Or are you just trolling cartoons , anime , animation in general because you do n't like it ? And you do n't watch manga , you read manga .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would, if the price was reasonable ($1 per episode, good quality downloadables).
I mean, why not?
I pay for my games.
I pay for my music.
I pay for my books.
Hell, I even pay for printed copies of stuff I can read for free (legally!
) on the web like webcomics, so I may support the authors.
What's wrong with paying for stuff, if that's stuff has value for you?Or are you just trolling cartoons, anime, animation in general because you don't like it?And you don't watch manga, you read manga.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31198902</id>
	<title>destroyed by piracy? How?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266593460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, first "piracy" creates the international anime market, then "piracy" continues. The Anime fad rises to a peak, then fades. "Piracy" continues throughout the whole process. Then "piracy" is blamed for the downturn. The sad truth is: it's technically true. If it weren't for "piracy", there indeed would not have been a decrease in sales at this point, there would simply be nothing to decrease.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , first " piracy " creates the international anime market , then " piracy " continues .
The Anime fad rises to a peak , then fades .
" Piracy " continues throughout the whole process .
Then " piracy " is blamed for the downturn .
The sad truth is : it 's technically true .
If it were n't for " piracy " , there indeed would not have been a decrease in sales at this point , there would simply be nothing to decrease .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, first "piracy" creates the international anime market, then "piracy" continues.
The Anime fad rises to a peak, then fades.
"Piracy" continues throughout the whole process.
Then "piracy" is blamed for the downturn.
The sad truth is: it's technically true.
If it weren't for "piracy", there indeed would not have been a decrease in sales at this point, there would simply be nothing to decrease.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199172</id>
	<title>know what would REALLY save Anime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266594540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Reasonable prices would do more to combat piracy than all the mobile platforms out there. 30 bucks list for 4 episodes of whatever anime series floats your boat at the moment on dvd is price-gouging.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reasonable prices would do more to combat piracy than all the mobile platforms out there .
30 bucks list for 4 episodes of whatever anime series floats your boat at the moment on dvd is price-gouging .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Reasonable prices would do more to combat piracy than all the mobile platforms out there.
30 bucks list for 4 episodes of whatever anime series floats your boat at the moment on dvd is price-gouging.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199254</id>
	<title>Re:destroyed by piracy? How?</title>
	<author>Conchobair</author>
	<datestamp>1266595020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what I wondered.  I Googled around some and it seems that in America there is a lot of pirated anime and the Japanese companies are mad about it and trying to put pressure on the US to crack down.  From what I read from commenters on some of the sites, it&rsquo;s not that they don't want to buy the DVDs, it&rsquo;s that they aren't imported or sold in the US to begin with or there is some kind of delay in releases between the US and Japan.  So, in order to get their favorite series latest season, the otaku have to pirate it or do without.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I wondered .
I Googled around some and it seems that in America there is a lot of pirated anime and the Japanese companies are mad about it and trying to put pressure on the US to crack down .
From what I read from commenters on some of the sites , it    s not that they do n't want to buy the DVDs , it    s that they are n't imported or sold in the US to begin with or there is some kind of delay in releases between the US and Japan .
So , in order to get their favorite series latest season , the otaku have to pirate it or do without .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I wondered.
I Googled around some and it seems that in America there is a lot of pirated anime and the Japanese companies are mad about it and trying to put pressure on the US to crack down.
From what I read from commenters on some of the sites, it’s not that they don't want to buy the DVDs, it’s that they aren't imported or sold in the US to begin with or there is some kind of delay in releases between the US and Japan.
So, in order to get their favorite series latest season, the otaku have to pirate it or do without.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199230</id>
	<title>If only</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266594840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love anime!  I watch them on english-subtitled fansubs.</p><p>As much as I want to buy original anime video, either the english dubbing sucks, or they change the cool moves ("Kage Bunshin no Jutsu" vs. "Art of the Shadow Doppelganger"? come on!) that it's just not right!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love anime !
I watch them on english-subtitled fansubs.As much as I want to buy original anime video , either the english dubbing sucks , or they change the cool moves ( " Kage Bunshin no Jutsu " vs. " Art of the Shadow Doppelganger " ?
come on !
) that it 's just not right !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love anime!
I watch them on english-subtitled fansubs.As much as I want to buy original anime video, either the english dubbing sucks, or they change the cool moves ("Kage Bunshin no Jutsu" vs. "Art of the Shadow Doppelganger"?
come on!
) that it's just not right!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31202540</id>
	<title>Re:know what would REALLY save Anime?</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1266610980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reasonable prices, decent translations, and commitment to continue producing a series are all enormous factors. It's ridiculous to think that they can put out an inferior product, charge an arm and a leg for it, and expect to be able to compete with the often-superior fansubs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reasonable prices , decent translations , and commitment to continue producing a series are all enormous factors .
It 's ridiculous to think that they can put out an inferior product , charge an arm and a leg for it , and expect to be able to compete with the often-superior fansubs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reasonable prices, decent translations, and commitment to continue producing a series are all enormous factors.
It's ridiculous to think that they can put out an inferior product, charge an arm and a leg for it, and expect to be able to compete with the often-superior fansubs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31202784</id>
	<title>Re:know what would REALLY save Anime?</title>
	<author>sarge apone</author>
	<datestamp>1266612000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>$30 for 4 episodes!?  That's more like tentacle-gouging</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 30 for 4 episodes ! ?
That 's more like tentacle-gouging</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$30 for 4 episodes!?
That's more like tentacle-gouging</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199278</id>
	<title>Re:destroyed by piracy? How?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266595080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is their method of turning around and biting the heads off all the fansubbers. The piracy you are thinking of isn't really what they're referring to. What they're referring to is the mass amount of people who sub their animes, and then re-release them for download in the united states of america. The problem is, that before things like Naruto, Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon got a whole generation of american teenagers hooked on the anime fad, the animes weren't really being released over here. Even Naruto Shippuden (which is now on a more or less proper american release schedule re: hulu) is still fansubbed and released a week in advance of the US releases.</p><p>The previous decade, (1990-2000) the anime producers largely had a stance that fansubbers were doing them a huge favor by providing a market to them that they were not equipped to handle at the rate the fansubbers were (Which largely are volunteers who knew both languages and loved the animes they sub). This decade (2000-2010, especially the last year) they've become more and more hardened to the concept of fansubbers being useful, and now it's becoming a hassle. The point I'm trying to make was in 1999,  Animation giants in japan thought fansubbers were creating new opps for the industry, and in 2009, the new line of thought is that it's destructive to their industry.</p><p>Most of us aren't going to go spend $100 on dvds (which in DBZs case would be like, 2 fights worth of dvds?) for a series we know nothing about. Especially with how epic some of these series can become in scope -- naruto has over 300 episodes between both series, dragon ball z really wasn't a lot better, and it had more series. Also, the anime companies try to hand us a bunch of crap from the 1970s-1980s that noone cared about then, and wonder why we don't bite. There's no television exposure for most of the animes that are in question here. If House or Friends had just been released on dvd, without any airings of the shows on a local broadcast network, noone would buy those either.</p><p>Classic case of spin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is their method of turning around and biting the heads off all the fansubbers .
The piracy you are thinking of is n't really what they 're referring to .
What they 're referring to is the mass amount of people who sub their animes , and then re-release them for download in the united states of america .
The problem is , that before things like Naruto , Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon got a whole generation of american teenagers hooked on the anime fad , the animes were n't really being released over here .
Even Naruto Shippuden ( which is now on a more or less proper american release schedule re : hulu ) is still fansubbed and released a week in advance of the US releases.The previous decade , ( 1990-2000 ) the anime producers largely had a stance that fansubbers were doing them a huge favor by providing a market to them that they were not equipped to handle at the rate the fansubbers were ( Which largely are volunteers who knew both languages and loved the animes they sub ) .
This decade ( 2000-2010 , especially the last year ) they 've become more and more hardened to the concept of fansubbers being useful , and now it 's becoming a hassle .
The point I 'm trying to make was in 1999 , Animation giants in japan thought fansubbers were creating new opps for the industry , and in 2009 , the new line of thought is that it 's destructive to their industry.Most of us are n't going to go spend $ 100 on dvds ( which in DBZs case would be like , 2 fights worth of dvds ?
) for a series we know nothing about .
Especially with how epic some of these series can become in scope -- naruto has over 300 episodes between both series , dragon ball z really was n't a lot better , and it had more series .
Also , the anime companies try to hand us a bunch of crap from the 1970s-1980s that noone cared about then , and wonder why we do n't bite .
There 's no television exposure for most of the animes that are in question here .
If House or Friends had just been released on dvd , without any airings of the shows on a local broadcast network , noone would buy those either.Classic case of spin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is their method of turning around and biting the heads off all the fansubbers.
The piracy you are thinking of isn't really what they're referring to.
What they're referring to is the mass amount of people who sub their animes, and then re-release them for download in the united states of america.
The problem is, that before things like Naruto, Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon got a whole generation of american teenagers hooked on the anime fad, the animes weren't really being released over here.
Even Naruto Shippuden (which is now on a more or less proper american release schedule re: hulu) is still fansubbed and released a week in advance of the US releases.The previous decade, (1990-2000) the anime producers largely had a stance that fansubbers were doing them a huge favor by providing a market to them that they were not equipped to handle at the rate the fansubbers were (Which largely are volunteers who knew both languages and loved the animes they sub).
This decade (2000-2010, especially the last year) they've become more and more hardened to the concept of fansubbers being useful, and now it's becoming a hassle.
The point I'm trying to make was in 1999,  Animation giants in japan thought fansubbers were creating new opps for the industry, and in 2009, the new line of thought is that it's destructive to their industry.Most of us aren't going to go spend $100 on dvds (which in DBZs case would be like, 2 fights worth of dvds?
) for a series we know nothing about.
Especially with how epic some of these series can become in scope -- naruto has over 300 episodes between both series, dragon ball z really wasn't a lot better, and it had more series.
Also, the anime companies try to hand us a bunch of crap from the 1970s-1980s that noone cared about then, and wonder why we don't bite.
There's no television exposure for most of the animes that are in question here.
If House or Friends had just been released on dvd, without any airings of the shows on a local broadcast network, noone would buy those either.Classic case of spin.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199652</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>228e2</author>
	<datestamp>1266597060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the hell are you talking about?<br> <br>
There is a huge market for American comics state side . . the problem is for Manga/Anime is when it takes months for a comic that I can read online for free to be available for hard copy, which is what the article is trying to tackle.<br> <br> <br>
As an avid manga reader, I'll admit that I would most likely read my stuff online for free, but I still buy a few movies if the series is really worth it to me.<br> <br>
And people do still purchase cartoons</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell are you talking about ?
There is a huge market for American comics state side .
. the problem is for Manga/Anime is when it takes months for a comic that I can read online for free to be available for hard copy , which is what the article is trying to tackle .
As an avid manga reader , I 'll admit that I would most likely read my stuff online for free , but I still buy a few movies if the series is really worth it to me .
And people do still purchase cartoons</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell are you talking about?
There is a huge market for American comics state side .
. the problem is for Manga/Anime is when it takes months for a comic that I can read online for free to be available for hard copy, which is what the article is trying to tackle.
As an avid manga reader, I'll admit that I would most likely read my stuff online for free, but I still buy a few movies if the series is really worth it to me.
And people do still purchase cartoons</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199010</id>
	<title>Localization quality?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266593940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know how anime are doing in Japan, but for the rest of the world I think that the overall bad quality of the localization plays a major role in guiding the potential consumers toward piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how anime are doing in Japan , but for the rest of the world I think that the overall bad quality of the localization plays a major role in guiding the potential consumers toward piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how anime are doing in Japan, but for the rest of the world I think that the overall bad quality of the localization plays a major role in guiding the potential consumers toward piracy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31210924</id>
	<title>Too Late</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266690120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
They are late to the party.  Fansub/re-encoders have been transcoding fansubs for iphone/blackberry for over two years (480x272 mp4 h264 AAC).  And recently started transcoding for PSPs (432x240 mp4 h264 AAC).
<br> <br>
Comment field from a fansub torrent link site entry:</p><blockquote><div><p>Size: 2041.3MiB | Date: 2008-01-23 16:42 UTC | Comment: complete season 1 (episodes 1-12) converted for iphone/ipod users. don't worry, works fine with vlc or quicktime, too.</p></div></blockquote></div>
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<tokenext>They are late to the party .
Fansub/re-encoders have been transcoding fansubs for iphone/blackberry for over two years ( 480x272 mp4 h264 AAC ) .
And recently started transcoding for PSPs ( 432x240 mp4 h264 AAC ) .
Comment field from a fansub torrent link site entry : Size : 2041.3MiB | Date : 2008-01-23 16 : 42 UTC | Comment : complete season 1 ( episodes 1-12 ) converted for iphone/ipod users .
do n't worry , works fine with vlc or quicktime , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
They are late to the party.
Fansub/re-encoders have been transcoding fansubs for iphone/blackberry for over two years (480x272 mp4 h264 AAC).
And recently started transcoding for PSPs (432x240 mp4 h264 AAC).
Comment field from a fansub torrent link site entry:Size: 2041.3MiB | Date: 2008-01-23 16:42 UTC | Comment: complete season 1 (episodes 1-12) converted for iphone/ipod users.
don't worry, works fine with vlc or quicktime, too.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31204814</id>
	<title>Piracy exists for a reason</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Australia, at $30 for each dvd of 4-5 episodes of a 24-30 episode series, it makes no sense at all to buy anime. That's $900 for longer series, I'd prefer to buy more than a small stack of DVDS with inconsistent/poor quality subtitles for that kind of money.</p><p>Piracy isn't killing the industry, the horrible distribution costs are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Australia , at $ 30 for each dvd of 4-5 episodes of a 24-30 episode series , it makes no sense at all to buy anime .
That 's $ 900 for longer series , I 'd prefer to buy more than a small stack of DVDS with inconsistent/poor quality subtitles for that kind of money.Piracy is n't killing the industry , the horrible distribution costs are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Australia, at $30 for each dvd of 4-5 episodes of a 24-30 episode series, it makes no sense at all to buy anime.
That's $900 for longer series, I'd prefer to buy more than a small stack of DVDS with inconsistent/poor quality subtitles for that kind of money.Piracy isn't killing the industry, the horrible distribution costs are.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31203180</id>
	<title>Every reason to get fansubs</title>
	<author>Zantetsuken</author>
	<datestamp>1266570540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is currently every reason to just get the fansub instead of buying it...
<br> <br>
I started with fansubs because when you were in high school and early college, you don't really have the money - especially not when a box set cost $90 to $120 USD. Yeah, the prices have come down considerably now, but even at 40 to 50 USD, you've got to realize those shows are 5 to 10 years old now.
<br> <br>
That brings up another point - delay in releases. I'll watch the fansub, for example Burst Angel / AKA Bakuretsu Tenshi - it came out in 2004, I watched it at least 2 or 3 years ago on fansub - and only about 6 months to a year ago did I see it in the anime magazines "Burst Angel the next big anime?!?" That'd be like for all the people that somehow enjoy watching 24 and American Idol having to wait a year to find out what happens. "Hey guys, did you know Jack Bauer is in exile?" "Dude, that episode was like 2 years ago."
<br> <br>
The 3rd big issue is quality. Fansubs are generally made from ripping the show from over the air TV that it airs on in Japan and add the subs. Every time I've tried "doing the right thing" and going and buying the DVD box-set, the DVD version looks like shit compared to what I downloaded a year or 2 ago. And I mean recently, within the past 3 months, where HDTV's are more common than ever. Also, as many other people have said, the English voice actors on dubbed DVD's tend to have retarded voice pitch, no emotion, and FUBAR the timing on the lines
<br> <br>
I'll end my rant now, being as my lunch is over and I've gotta get back to work...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is currently every reason to just get the fansub instead of buying it.. . I started with fansubs because when you were in high school and early college , you do n't really have the money - especially not when a box set cost $ 90 to $ 120 USD .
Yeah , the prices have come down considerably now , but even at 40 to 50 USD , you 've got to realize those shows are 5 to 10 years old now .
That brings up another point - delay in releases .
I 'll watch the fansub , for example Burst Angel / AKA Bakuretsu Tenshi - it came out in 2004 , I watched it at least 2 or 3 years ago on fansub - and only about 6 months to a year ago did I see it in the anime magazines " Burst Angel the next big anime ? ! ?
" That 'd be like for all the people that somehow enjoy watching 24 and American Idol having to wait a year to find out what happens .
" Hey guys , did you know Jack Bauer is in exile ?
" " Dude , that episode was like 2 years ago .
" The 3rd big issue is quality .
Fansubs are generally made from ripping the show from over the air TV that it airs on in Japan and add the subs .
Every time I 've tried " doing the right thing " and going and buying the DVD box-set , the DVD version looks like shit compared to what I downloaded a year or 2 ago .
And I mean recently , within the past 3 months , where HDTV 's are more common than ever .
Also , as many other people have said , the English voice actors on dubbed DVD 's tend to have retarded voice pitch , no emotion , and FUBAR the timing on the lines I 'll end my rant now , being as my lunch is over and I 've got ta get back to work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is currently every reason to just get the fansub instead of buying it...
 
I started with fansubs because when you were in high school and early college, you don't really have the money - especially not when a box set cost $90 to $120 USD.
Yeah, the prices have come down considerably now, but even at 40 to 50 USD, you've got to realize those shows are 5 to 10 years old now.
That brings up another point - delay in releases.
I'll watch the fansub, for example Burst Angel / AKA Bakuretsu Tenshi - it came out in 2004, I watched it at least 2 or 3 years ago on fansub - and only about 6 months to a year ago did I see it in the anime magazines "Burst Angel the next big anime?!?
" That'd be like for all the people that somehow enjoy watching 24 and American Idol having to wait a year to find out what happens.
"Hey guys, did you know Jack Bauer is in exile?
" "Dude, that episode was like 2 years ago.
"
 
The 3rd big issue is quality.
Fansubs are generally made from ripping the show from over the air TV that it airs on in Japan and add the subs.
Every time I've tried "doing the right thing" and going and buying the DVD box-set, the DVD version looks like shit compared to what I downloaded a year or 2 ago.
And I mean recently, within the past 3 months, where HDTV's are more common than ever.
Also, as many other people have said, the English voice actors on dubbed DVD's tend to have retarded voice pitch, no emotion, and FUBAR the timing on the lines
 
I'll end my rant now, being as my lunch is over and I've gotta get back to work...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31201282</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>dbet</author>
	<datestamp>1266604080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who would pay to watch cartoons?</p></div><p>I don't know, why don't you ask Pixar how much they grossed in the last decade.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would pay to watch cartoons ? I do n't know , why do n't you ask Pixar how much they grossed in the last decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would pay to watch cartoons?I don't know, why don't you ask Pixar how much they grossed in the last decade.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31199348</id>
	<title>Better Quality + Lower Price = Fix (sorta)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266595440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the way to achieve this is to pay the fan-subbers to use their translations.  IMO normally they're better, lack censorship, and are already out there.  I bet most would be ecstatic to be paid AND do what they love.  And the price should be low, say $1 or $2 since the subs are out already.  Some money is better than none.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the way to achieve this is to pay the fan-subbers to use their translations .
IMO normally they 're better , lack censorship , and are already out there .
I bet most would be ecstatic to be paid AND do what they love .
And the price should be low , say $ 1 or $ 2 since the subs are out already .
Some money is better than none .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the way to achieve this is to pay the fan-subbers to use their translations.
IMO normally they're better, lack censorship, and are already out there.
I bet most would be ecstatic to be paid AND do what they love.
And the price should be low, say $1 or $2 since the subs are out already.
Some money is better than none.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31204422</id>
	<title>Re:know what would REALLY save Anime?</title>
	<author>Kamokazi</author>
	<datestamp>1266575460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  I stop into Suncoast or whatever the heck it's called now equivalent each time I make it to a bigger mall (I live in BFE and have to drive 60 mins to a decent city) because they often have half off or buy one get one sales, and that is the only time anime seems reasonably priced to me.  And 2 out of 3 times I walk out empty handed because the selection is already picked over (usually it's a sale for a specific publisher).  All the other publishers still have their good titles in stock.</p><p>What does that show you?  At the right price, anime sells like hotcakes.  Maybe they should do a little experimentation with prices on 'new' releases and see what happens.  I use new loosely here, because often these are things that were released in Japan years ago.  Didn't they already pay for themselves?  As someone else said, piracy created an international market.  Learn how to utilize it.  $50-$60 for a 25 episode box set?  Awesome.  $25 for a 4-episode DVD?  Fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I stop into Suncoast or whatever the heck it 's called now equivalent each time I make it to a bigger mall ( I live in BFE and have to drive 60 mins to a decent city ) because they often have half off or buy one get one sales , and that is the only time anime seems reasonably priced to me .
And 2 out of 3 times I walk out empty handed because the selection is already picked over ( usually it 's a sale for a specific publisher ) .
All the other publishers still have their good titles in stock.What does that show you ?
At the right price , anime sells like hotcakes .
Maybe they should do a little experimentation with prices on 'new ' releases and see what happens .
I use new loosely here , because often these are things that were released in Japan years ago .
Did n't they already pay for themselves ?
As someone else said , piracy created an international market .
Learn how to utilize it .
$ 50- $ 60 for a 25 episode box set ?
Awesome. $ 25 for a 4-episode DVD ?
Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I stop into Suncoast or whatever the heck it's called now equivalent each time I make it to a bigger mall (I live in BFE and have to drive 60 mins to a decent city) because they often have half off or buy one get one sales, and that is the only time anime seems reasonably priced to me.
And 2 out of 3 times I walk out empty handed because the selection is already picked over (usually it's a sale for a specific publisher).
All the other publishers still have their good titles in stock.What does that show you?
At the right price, anime sells like hotcakes.
Maybe they should do a little experimentation with prices on 'new' releases and see what happens.
I use new loosely here, because often these are things that were released in Japan years ago.
Didn't they already pay for themselves?
As someone else said, piracy created an international market.
Learn how to utilize it.
$50-$60 for a 25 episode box set?
Awesome.  $25 for a 4-episode DVD?
Fail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31220724</id>
	<title>voiceover</title>
	<author>suzieque</author>
	<datestamp>1266782280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes I agree, the English voiceovers always amuse me..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes I agree , the English voiceovers always amuse me. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes I agree, the English voiceovers always amuse me..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_1319201.31202946</id>
	<title>Re:destroyed by piracy? How?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266612840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big reason it is pirated is because it is not available in the US!!!!!!</p><p>If you look at the US licensed and dubbed anime you will see that it is typically 3-5 years behind the Japanese release dates. So basically the ONLY way to see it is to pirate it. You will also notice that most Japanese titles are never released in the US. Imagine the US movie industry that does not release all of its movies world wide, and when it does it waits 3-5 years after the US release. I guarantee you those movies will be pirated a lot more than they are now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big reason it is pirated is because it is not available in the US ! ! ! ! !
! If you look at the US licensed and dubbed anime you will see that it is typically 3-5 years behind the Japanese release dates .
So basically the ONLY way to see it is to pirate it .
You will also notice that most Japanese titles are never released in the US .
Imagine the US movie industry that does not release all of its movies world wide , and when it does it waits 3-5 years after the US release .
I guarantee you those movies will be pirated a lot more than they are now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big reason it is pirated is because it is not available in the US!!!!!
!If you look at the US licensed and dubbed anime you will see that it is typically 3-5 years behind the Japanese release dates.
So basically the ONLY way to see it is to pirate it.
You will also notice that most Japanese titles are never released in the US.
Imagine the US movie industry that does not release all of its movies world wide, and when it does it waits 3-5 years after the US release.
I guarantee you those movies will be pirated a lot more than they are now.</sentencetext>
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