<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_17_2231248</id>
	<title>Open Source 3D Nvidia Driver Is Ready For Fedora 13</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266403380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Red Hat has already been using the <a href="http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/">Nouveau X.Org driver</a> in Fedora for providing display and 2D support, but with their next release (Fedora 13) they will be making open-source 3D acceleration readily available to those using Nvidia graphics cards. Red Hat has <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news\_item&amp;px=Nzk4MQ">packaged the Nouveau 3D driver in Fedora 13</a> and what makes it interesting &mdash; besides being an open source 3D driver that was written by the community by reverse engineering Nvidia's closed-source driver &mdash; is that it's one of the first drivers to use the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium3D">Gallium3D</a> driver interface. Phoronix has <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=14591">tested out this Gallium3D driver</a> for Nvidia GPUs in a Fedora 13 daily build and found it to run with a variety of OpenGL games, with benchmarks being included that compare it to Nvidia's official driver. The performance is  far from being on the same stage as Nvidia's official Unix driver."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Red Hat has already been using the Nouveau X.Org driver in Fedora for providing display and 2D support , but with their next release ( Fedora 13 ) they will be making open-source 3D acceleration readily available to those using Nvidia graphics cards .
Red Hat has packaged the Nouveau 3D driver in Fedora 13 and what makes it interesting    besides being an open source 3D driver that was written by the community by reverse engineering Nvidia 's closed-source driver    is that it 's one of the first drivers to use the Gallium3D driver interface .
Phoronix has tested out this Gallium3D driver for Nvidia GPUs in a Fedora 13 daily build and found it to run with a variety of OpenGL games , with benchmarks being included that compare it to Nvidia 's official driver .
The performance is far from being on the same stage as Nvidia 's official Unix driver .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Red Hat has already been using the Nouveau X.Org driver in Fedora for providing display and 2D support, but with their next release (Fedora 13) they will be making open-source 3D acceleration readily available to those using Nvidia graphics cards.
Red Hat has packaged the Nouveau 3D driver in Fedora 13 and what makes it interesting — besides being an open source 3D driver that was written by the community by reverse engineering Nvidia's closed-source driver — is that it's one of the first drivers to use the Gallium3D driver interface.
Phoronix has tested out this Gallium3D driver for Nvidia GPUs in a Fedora 13 daily build and found it to run with a variety of OpenGL games, with benchmarks being included that compare it to Nvidia's official driver.
The performance is  far from being on the same stage as Nvidia's official Unix driver.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31180910</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Questions</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1265052720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, the device driver is supposed to act as the implementation between the interface of the hardware and the interface of the data communication layer. Any software layers above aren't supposed to see any difference between a ATM network and an Ethernet or Token Ring network. All they need to know is the function calls to send a block of data to a specified network address, read back blocks of data representing addressed data packets, set various settings and read back statistics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , the device driver is supposed to act as the implementation between the interface of the hardware and the interface of the data communication layer .
Any software layers above are n't supposed to see any difference between a ATM network and an Ethernet or Token Ring network .
All they need to know is the function calls to send a block of data to a specified network address , read back blocks of data representing addressed data packets , set various settings and read back statistics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, the device driver is supposed to act as the implementation between the interface of the hardware and the interface of the data communication layer.
Any software layers above aren't supposed to see any difference between a ATM network and an Ethernet or Token Ring network.
All they need to know is the function calls to send a block of data to a specified network address, read back blocks of data representing addressed data packets, set various settings and read back statistics.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178948</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265033340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Excuse me for not being an expert on drivers for hardware I don't own,</p></div><p>You're excused.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>but does this mean the new driver is better than the official driver, or not nearly as good?</p></div><p>It's not new, it's been around for a while. But it's not nearly as good in most respects; no VDPAU, poor performance.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If it is not "on the same stage," meaning not nearly as good, why is Red Hat using it,</p></div><p>Because it is freely redistributable.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>and why is this news?</p></div><p>Because it just happened.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost?</p></div><p>No, some people use markedly inferior software simply because it is Free Software, which is <em>totally and completely different</em> (The OSI's attempts to convince you to the contrary notwithstanding.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This seems silly to me.</p></div><p>Nobody cares.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I use linux because it works perfectly well for me.</p></div><p>Me too. But nobody cares why either of us use Linux. Well, that's not true. I've put some people on to it. Nobody cares why <em>you</em> use Linux.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If it were a pile of crap in comparison to Windows, I'd use Windows</p></div><p>In many respects, it is, for example if you are a gamer.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>even though I have a casual dislike for Microsoft.</p></div><p>So you're wearing slacks?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(please no Macintosh osx comments here, I don't care)</p></div><p>Nobody cares if you care, didn't we cover that?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Excuse me for not being an expert on drivers for hardware I do n't own,You 're excused.but does this mean the new driver is better than the official driver , or not nearly as good ? It 's not new , it 's been around for a while .
But it 's not nearly as good in most respects ; no VDPAU , poor performance.If it is not " on the same stage , " meaning not nearly as good , why is Red Hat using it,Because it is freely redistributable.and why is this news ? Because it just happened.Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source , even if a better competitor is available at no cost ? No , some people use markedly inferior software simply because it is Free Software , which is totally and completely different ( The OSI 's attempts to convince you to the contrary notwithstanding .
) This seems silly to me.Nobody cares.I use linux because it works perfectly well for me.Me too .
But nobody cares why either of us use Linux .
Well , that 's not true .
I 've put some people on to it .
Nobody cares why you use Linux.If it were a pile of crap in comparison to Windows , I 'd use WindowsIn many respects , it is , for example if you are a gamer.even though I have a casual dislike for Microsoft.So you 're wearing slacks ?
( please no Macintosh osx comments here , I do n't care ) Nobody cares if you care , did n't we cover that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excuse me for not being an expert on drivers for hardware I don't own,You're excused.but does this mean the new driver is better than the official driver, or not nearly as good?It's not new, it's been around for a while.
But it's not nearly as good in most respects; no VDPAU, poor performance.If it is not "on the same stage," meaning not nearly as good, why is Red Hat using it,Because it is freely redistributable.and why is this news?Because it just happened.Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost?No, some people use markedly inferior software simply because it is Free Software, which is totally and completely different (The OSI's attempts to convince you to the contrary notwithstanding.
)This seems silly to me.Nobody cares.I use linux because it works perfectly well for me.Me too.
But nobody cares why either of us use Linux.
Well, that's not true.
I've put some people on to it.
Nobody cares why you use Linux.If it were a pile of crap in comparison to Windows, I'd use WindowsIn many respects, it is, for example if you are a gamer.even though I have a casual dislike for Microsoft.So you're wearing slacks?
(please no Macintosh osx comments here, I don't care)Nobody cares if you care, didn't we cover that?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31179372</id>
	<title>Re:Benchmarks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265036820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft doesn't ship with any drivers they created with GForce9 cards.  Should they stop shipping today, or should they recall (like Toyota) all the software they made and dont' ship again till all the problems are fixed?  Why do people assume that microsoft makes all the software they make (instead of getting all their software made by other people).  We won't even start to talk about reverse engineering and an utter derth of technical documentation.  You reverse something as technical as a whole family of accelerated graphics cards, and then we will poke at you and ask pointed 'what the hell is wrong with you' questions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft does n't ship with any drivers they created with GForce9 cards .
Should they stop shipping today , or should they recall ( like Toyota ) all the software they made and dont ' ship again till all the problems are fixed ?
Why do people assume that microsoft makes all the software they make ( instead of getting all their software made by other people ) .
We wo n't even start to talk about reverse engineering and an utter derth of technical documentation .
You reverse something as technical as a whole family of accelerated graphics cards , and then we will poke at you and ask pointed 'what the hell is wrong with you ' questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft doesn't ship with any drivers they created with GForce9 cards.
Should they stop shipping today, or should they recall (like Toyota) all the software they made and dont' ship again till all the problems are fixed?
Why do people assume that microsoft makes all the software they make (instead of getting all their software made by other people).
We won't even start to talk about reverse engineering and an utter derth of technical documentation.
You reverse something as technical as a whole family of accelerated graphics cards, and then we will poke at you and ask pointed 'what the hell is wrong with you' questions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31181852</id>
	<title>Tegra support?</title>
	<author>ChunderDownunder</author>
	<datestamp>1266489060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With multi-core ARM SoC chips on the horizon, have we FOSS drivers for X?</p><p>Were nvidia to use similar interfaces to their desktop cousins, they could steal the jump on the competition via nouveau.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With multi-core ARM SoC chips on the horizon , have we FOSS drivers for X ? Were nvidia to use similar interfaces to their desktop cousins , they could steal the jump on the competition via nouveau .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With multi-core ARM SoC chips on the horizon, have we FOSS drivers for X?Were nvidia to use similar interfaces to their desktop cousins, they could steal the jump on the competition via nouveau.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178600</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Questions</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1265030220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't even look at the Tolkien Ring driver code, I was told.</p></div><p>Sage advice...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't even look at the Tolkien Ring driver code , I was told.Sage advice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't even look at the Tolkien Ring driver code, I was told.Sage advice...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31183558</id>
	<title>support costs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266504660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, reverse-engineering a driver *is* expensive, but when you compare it to the man-years of labor Red Hat has spent due to the binary blob writing random crap all over physical memory causing weird crashes, or merely investigating the possibility of the binary blob writing random crap all over physical memory for any given crash, it suddenly makes a lot of sense.  Sure, the Nvidia driver is fast, but it's written with the philosophy that it's more important to be fast than correct, to the point where they actually patent their bugs.  And that driver is running inside the kernel, with the ability to corrupt anything and everything on the system.  Usually it doesn't, but it has the capability, and it has demonstrated the inclination on occasion.  Tracking down memory corruption bugs is a fantastic pain in the ass even when you have the source code, let alone when you don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , reverse-engineering a driver * is * expensive , but when you compare it to the man-years of labor Red Hat has spent due to the binary blob writing random crap all over physical memory causing weird crashes , or merely investigating the possibility of the binary blob writing random crap all over physical memory for any given crash , it suddenly makes a lot of sense .
Sure , the Nvidia driver is fast , but it 's written with the philosophy that it 's more important to be fast than correct , to the point where they actually patent their bugs .
And that driver is running inside the kernel , with the ability to corrupt anything and everything on the system .
Usually it does n't , but it has the capability , and it has demonstrated the inclination on occasion .
Tracking down memory corruption bugs is a fantastic pain in the ass even when you have the source code , let alone when you do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, reverse-engineering a driver *is* expensive, but when you compare it to the man-years of labor Red Hat has spent due to the binary blob writing random crap all over physical memory causing weird crashes, or merely investigating the possibility of the binary blob writing random crap all over physical memory for any given crash, it suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Sure, the Nvidia driver is fast, but it's written with the philosophy that it's more important to be fast than correct, to the point where they actually patent their bugs.
And that driver is running inside the kernel, with the ability to corrupt anything and everything on the system.
Usually it doesn't, but it has the capability, and it has demonstrated the inclination on occasion.
Tracking down memory corruption bugs is a fantastic pain in the ass even when you have the source code, let alone when you don't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177846</id>
	<title>Re:Benchmarks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265026020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would you prefer 0 fps?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you prefer 0 fps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you prefer 0 fps?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31191574</id>
	<title>Commenting for tracking</title>
	<author>acteon</author>
	<datestamp>1266489600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Commenting for tracking (how do I save, fave or mark the submissions I want to track?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Commenting for tracking ( how do I save , fave or mark the submissions I want to track ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Commenting for tracking (how do I save, fave or mark the submissions I want to track?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177738</id>
	<title>Re:How come?</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1265025540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because NVIDIA has access to the docs and these guys don't? It's hard work to reverse engineer a video card and build a driver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because NVIDIA has access to the docs and these guys do n't ?
It 's hard work to reverse engineer a video card and build a driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because NVIDIA has access to the docs and these guys don't?
It's hard work to reverse engineer a video card and build a driver.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177552</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31185328</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1266512040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On a related topic does anyone know the state of the open source ATI driver?</p></div><p>As of about a week ago, FreeBSD imported versions of Mesa3D, libdrm, and RadeonHD drivers recent enough to enable 3D on my Radeon 3600. This is on a work desktop so I haven't tried many games on it, but KDE's compositing works perfectly for me as of today. I can only assume it would work as well on Linux.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On a related topic does anyone know the state of the open source ATI driver ? As of about a week ago , FreeBSD imported versions of Mesa3D , libdrm , and RadeonHD drivers recent enough to enable 3D on my Radeon 3600 .
This is on a work desktop so I have n't tried many games on it , but KDE 's compositing works perfectly for me as of today .
I can only assume it would work as well on Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a related topic does anyone know the state of the open source ATI driver?As of about a week ago, FreeBSD imported versions of Mesa3D, libdrm, and RadeonHD drivers recent enough to enable 3D on my Radeon 3600.
This is on a work desktop so I haven't tried many games on it, but KDE's compositing works perfectly for me as of today.
I can only assume it would work as well on Linux.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31179366</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177660</id>
	<title>Re:KDE Sucks</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1265025240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was wondering why my linux lolbertarian control freak friend wouldn't shut up about the freedom KDE gives him and how Konqueror is the best, thanks for the insightful post (which I'm sure will get modded down by people who really ought to be putting on pants and cleaning up the takeout containers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering why my linux lolbertarian control freak friend would n't shut up about the freedom KDE gives him and how Konqueror is the best , thanks for the insightful post ( which I 'm sure will get modded down by people who really ought to be putting on pants and cleaning up the takeout containers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering why my linux lolbertarian control freak friend wouldn't shut up about the freedom KDE gives him and how Konqueror is the best, thanks for the insightful post (which I'm sure will get modded down by people who really ought to be putting on pants and cleaning up the takeout containers).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177500</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177596</id>
	<title>Benchmarks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265025000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know it's not a professional project, nor built on any real technical documentation, but I hardly think that an OS should be distributed with a driver that gets <i>32fps</i> running Quake 3 on a <i>Geforce 9</i>. Can anyone tell me: better or worse performance than using a 3dfx card under Linux?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's not a professional project , nor built on any real technical documentation , but I hardly think that an OS should be distributed with a driver that gets 32fps running Quake 3 on a Geforce 9 .
Can anyone tell me : better or worse performance than using a 3dfx card under Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's not a professional project, nor built on any real technical documentation, but I hardly think that an OS should be distributed with a driver that gets 32fps running Quake 3 on a Geforce 9.
Can anyone tell me: better or worse performance than using a 3dfx card under Linux?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31179234</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265035740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I imagine it will work as well as all those OTHER "free" accelerated drivers for Linux, meaning the performance will be shite and it will hang up and crash the system frequently (not to mention being severely lacking in features and buggy as hell).</p><p>I'm sticking with NVIDIA's code.  It's good enough for me and I don't give a shit about dogma.  I remember the last great dogmatic "victory" Redhat was waving around called "GNOME".  That was a fun crash-fest too.  Say, what ever happened to their sycophantic "RMS Linux" distro?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine it will work as well as all those OTHER " free " accelerated drivers for Linux , meaning the performance will be shite and it will hang up and crash the system frequently ( not to mention being severely lacking in features and buggy as hell ) .I 'm sticking with NVIDIA 's code .
It 's good enough for me and I do n't give a shit about dogma .
I remember the last great dogmatic " victory " Redhat was waving around called " GNOME " .
That was a fun crash-fest too .
Say , what ever happened to their sycophantic " RMS Linux " distro ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine it will work as well as all those OTHER "free" accelerated drivers for Linux, meaning the performance will be shite and it will hang up and crash the system frequently (not to mention being severely lacking in features and buggy as hell).I'm sticking with NVIDIA's code.
It's good enough for me and I don't give a shit about dogma.
I remember the last great dogmatic "victory" Redhat was waving around called "GNOME".
That was a fun crash-fest too.
Say, what ever happened to their sycophantic "RMS Linux" distro?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177552</id>
	<title>How come?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265024880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Question:</p><p>Why "performance is far from being on the same stage as NVIDIA's official Unix driver" ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Question : Why " performance is far from being on the same stage as NVIDIA 's official Unix driver " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Question:Why "performance is far from being on the same stage as NVIDIA's official Unix driver" ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177610</id>
	<title>Quick Questions</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1265025060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suppose I wanted to get into writing drivers -</p><p>1) What are the things I'd need to know? Languages, Theory, Techniques</p><p>2) What are the things I'd require? Testing environment, IDE if applicable, Development kits, etc</p><p>3) Any Reading material? A beginners guide, reference material, that kind of stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suppose I wanted to get into writing drivers -1 ) What are the things I 'd need to know ?
Languages , Theory , Techniques2 ) What are the things I 'd require ?
Testing environment , IDE if applicable , Development kits , etc3 ) Any Reading material ?
A beginners guide , reference material , that kind of stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suppose I wanted to get into writing drivers -1) What are the things I'd need to know?
Languages, Theory, Techniques2) What are the things I'd require?
Testing environment, IDE if applicable, Development kits, etc3) Any Reading material?
A beginners guide, reference material, that kind of stuff.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31185150</id>
	<title>I wish nVidia would just open up their driver</title>
	<author>apexwm</author>
	<datestamp>1266511380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be nice if nVidia would just release the driver under the GNU General Public License.  That way it could be integrated directly into Linux distributions.  In my opinion this would give nVidia a huge advantage.  They already have an advantage with excellent support in Unix/Linux, but doing this would take it one step farther.  Reverse engineering the Nouveau 3D driver is duplicating the effort, especially when the official driver is already out there and is solid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be nice if nVidia would just release the driver under the GNU General Public License .
That way it could be integrated directly into Linux distributions .
In my opinion this would give nVidia a huge advantage .
They already have an advantage with excellent support in Unix/Linux , but doing this would take it one step farther .
Reverse engineering the Nouveau 3D driver is duplicating the effort , especially when the official driver is already out there and is solid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be nice if nVidia would just release the driver under the GNU General Public License.
That way it could be integrated directly into Linux distributions.
In my opinion this would give nVidia a huge advantage.
They already have an advantage with excellent support in Unix/Linux, but doing this would take it one step farther.
Reverse engineering the Nouveau 3D driver is duplicating the effort, especially when the official driver is already out there and is solid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178028</id>
	<title>Hurray!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265026860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now those of us who still have a fetish for pixelated porn from the dial-up ages can watch pixelated porn in 3D!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now those of us who still have a fetish for pixelated porn from the dial-up ages can watch pixelated porn in 3D !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now those of us who still have a fetish for pixelated porn from the dial-up ages can watch pixelated porn in 3D!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31179276</id>
	<title>Re:Benchmarks</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1265036040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know your not a professional, but i hardly thing you should be making this post without checking your facts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know your not a professional , but i hardly thing you should be making this post without checking your facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know your not a professional, but i hardly thing you should be making this post without checking your facts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178560</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265029980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost?</p></div><p>Nvidia's driver may not necessarily be "better," depending on how you define it.  Nvidia's driver is clearly better in terms of 3D acceleration, but Nouveau wins in many other areas (largely as an extension of it's F/OSS'ness).  There's much less legal worry when distributing it, it doesn't have to be recompiled against the kernel updates, it supports KMS (which is more important than 3D acceleration with many, such as myself), it can be fix/changed/updated without dependence on Nvidia, it's also more likely to have continued support on older hardware - the list gets pretty long.  Maybe these things don't matter to you as much as 3D acceleration, but for many they do.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I use linux because it works perfectly well for me.</p></div><p>F/OSS isn't just blind idealism - there's practical benefits which result.  I expect at least part of the reason why Linux "works perfectly well" for you is a result of the fact it's F/OSS.  This carries over to the video drivers, too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source , even if a better competitor is available at no cost ? Nvidia 's driver may not necessarily be " better , " depending on how you define it .
Nvidia 's driver is clearly better in terms of 3D acceleration , but Nouveau wins in many other areas ( largely as an extension of it 's F/OSS'ness ) .
There 's much less legal worry when distributing it , it does n't have to be recompiled against the kernel updates , it supports KMS ( which is more important than 3D acceleration with many , such as myself ) , it can be fix/changed/updated without dependence on Nvidia , it 's also more likely to have continued support on older hardware - the list gets pretty long .
Maybe these things do n't matter to you as much as 3D acceleration , but for many they do.I use linux because it works perfectly well for me.F/OSS is n't just blind idealism - there 's practical benefits which result .
I expect at least part of the reason why Linux " works perfectly well " for you is a result of the fact it 's F/OSS .
This carries over to the video drivers , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost?Nvidia's driver may not necessarily be "better," depending on how you define it.
Nvidia's driver is clearly better in terms of 3D acceleration, but Nouveau wins in many other areas (largely as an extension of it's F/OSS'ness).
There's much less legal worry when distributing it, it doesn't have to be recompiled against the kernel updates, it supports KMS (which is more important than 3D acceleration with many, such as myself), it can be fix/changed/updated without dependence on Nvidia, it's also more likely to have continued support on older hardware - the list gets pretty long.
Maybe these things don't matter to you as much as 3D acceleration, but for many they do.I use linux because it works perfectly well for me.F/OSS isn't just blind idealism - there's practical benefits which result.
I expect at least part of the reason why Linux "works perfectly well" for you is a result of the fact it's F/OSS.
This carries over to the video drivers, too.
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	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31181710</id>
	<title>Re:KDE Sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266487740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>K3B looks like it was patterned after roxio easy CD creator.  Which I suspect it may in fact have been.  Except that easy cd creator wasn't owned by roxio yet at the time they started the project.</p><p>Comparing it to say, brasero, and there's really no contest: if you need to do anything other than "burn this heap of files onto a disk" then brasero ain't your man.  k3b puts most of the cdrecord options into convenient menus with sane defaults.  but cdrecord has a *lot* of options.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>K3B looks like it was patterned after roxio easy CD creator .
Which I suspect it may in fact have been .
Except that easy cd creator was n't owned by roxio yet at the time they started the project.Comparing it to say , brasero , and there 's really no contest : if you need to do anything other than " burn this heap of files onto a disk " then brasero ai n't your man .
k3b puts most of the cdrecord options into convenient menus with sane defaults .
but cdrecord has a * lot * of options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>K3B looks like it was patterned after roxio easy CD creator.
Which I suspect it may in fact have been.
Except that easy cd creator wasn't owned by roxio yet at the time they started the project.Comparing it to say, brasero, and there's really no contest: if you need to do anything other than "burn this heap of files onto a disk" then brasero ain't your man.
k3b puts most of the cdrecord options into convenient menus with sane defaults.
but cdrecord has a *lot* of options.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178890</id>
	<title>Re:Benchmarks</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265032800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So? The NVidia driver doesn't support xrandr.</p></div><p>False. It doesn't support KMS (Kernel Mode Setting) so you have to set the video mode after the kernel has posted. Meaning you don't get a seamless boot display, boo hoo. I have a GTS 240 which AFAIK is not supported by any driver (that may have changed in the last five weeks, where I've not been at that computer, because I've not been in that country) and xrandr works fine on it with the driver I'm using.</p><p>Now on the other hand, xrandr isn't working on my EEE 701 with Jolicloud Linux (aka a somewhat fucked-over Ubuntu Jaunty) with intel GMA 950 graphics. But you can get mode setting with the current intel driver, so I guess I'm going to reload this machine when I get home.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
The NVidia driver does n't support xrandr.False .
It does n't support KMS ( Kernel Mode Setting ) so you have to set the video mode after the kernel has posted .
Meaning you do n't get a seamless boot display , boo hoo .
I have a GTS 240 which AFAIK is not supported by any driver ( that may have changed in the last five weeks , where I 've not been at that computer , because I 've not been in that country ) and xrandr works fine on it with the driver I 'm using.Now on the other hand , xrandr is n't working on my EEE 701 with Jolicloud Linux ( aka a somewhat fucked-over Ubuntu Jaunty ) with intel GMA 950 graphics .
But you can get mode setting with the current intel driver , so I guess I 'm going to reload this machine when I get home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
The NVidia driver doesn't support xrandr.False.
It doesn't support KMS (Kernel Mode Setting) so you have to set the video mode after the kernel has posted.
Meaning you don't get a seamless boot display, boo hoo.
I have a GTS 240 which AFAIK is not supported by any driver (that may have changed in the last five weeks, where I've not been at that computer, because I've not been in that country) and xrandr works fine on it with the driver I'm using.Now on the other hand, xrandr isn't working on my EEE 701 with Jolicloud Linux (aka a somewhat fucked-over Ubuntu Jaunty) with intel GMA 950 graphics.
But you can get mode setting with the current intel driver, so I guess I'm going to reload this machine when I get home.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177780</id>
	<title>mod 0p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265025720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wo8't vote in Love of two is Usenet is roughly windows, SUN or chosen, whatever only way to go:</htmltext>
<tokenext>wo8't vote in Love of two is Usenet is roughly windows , SUN or chosen , whatever only way to go :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wo8't vote in Love of two is Usenet is roughly windows, SUN or chosen, whatever only way to go:</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178386</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1265028960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The performance is far from being on the same stage as Nvidia's official Unix driver.</i> <br> <br>
Excuse me for not being an expert on drivers for hardware I don't own, but does this mean the new driver is better than the official driver, or not nearly as good? If it is not "on the same stage," meaning not nearly as good, why is Red Hat using it, and why is this news? Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost? This seems silly to me. I use linux because it works perfectly well for me. If it were a pile of crap in comparison to Windows, I'd use Windows (I can get that for free too, so there is no effective cost difference), even though I have a casual dislike for Microsoft. (please no Macintosh osx comments here, I don't care)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The performance is far from being on the same stage as Nvidia 's official Unix driver .
Excuse me for not being an expert on drivers for hardware I do n't own , but does this mean the new driver is better than the official driver , or not nearly as good ?
If it is not " on the same stage , " meaning not nearly as good , why is Red Hat using it , and why is this news ?
Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source , even if a better competitor is available at no cost ?
This seems silly to me .
I use linux because it works perfectly well for me .
If it were a pile of crap in comparison to Windows , I 'd use Windows ( I can get that for free too , so there is no effective cost difference ) , even though I have a casual dislike for Microsoft .
( please no Macintosh osx comments here , I do n't care )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The performance is far from being on the same stage as Nvidia's official Unix driver.
Excuse me for not being an expert on drivers for hardware I don't own, but does this mean the new driver is better than the official driver, or not nearly as good?
If it is not "on the same stage," meaning not nearly as good, why is Red Hat using it, and why is this news?
Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost?
This seems silly to me.
I use linux because it works perfectly well for me.
If it were a pile of crap in comparison to Windows, I'd use Windows (I can get that for free too, so there is no effective cost difference), even though I have a casual dislike for Microsoft.
(please no Macintosh osx comments here, I don't care)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31182268</id>
	<title>Re:How come?</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1266493620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few reasons:</p><p>1) nVidia's drivers are not implemented like standard X.org drivers: the binary drivers replace most stuff.</p><p>2) Not optimised yet.</p><p>3) It's a Gallium3D architecture driver, which is slower (for now) than classic Mesa.</p><p>Gallium3D is a new driver architecture where the driver itself is splitted into three parts:</p><p>1) The Kernel part. Providing memmorty management and kernels based modesetting instead of user mode setting. Every driver could use it so this part is not needed to be implemented into every driver out there to reduce the amount of coding work.</p><p>2) The Gallium3D itself, like this nVidia driver that only needs to expose the bare metal functionality of the graphics card in the form of an API.</p><p>3) Features (called State Trackers) like OpenGL, video acceleration, Open<b>C</b>L, Direct3D, vector graphics acceleration, etc... This is also something that is the same for all Gallium3D driver supported graphics cards. This also doesn't need to be coded for every Gallium3D driven card like the nVidia cards. BTW these State Trackers are implemented on top of the 'standard' Gallium3D API that is surficed by this nVidia Nouveau driver...</p><p>So the speed of the nVidia cards when driven by this Gallium3D driver is not solely Nouveau's 'fault'. If the Linux kernel and the State Trackers speed up then the nVidia cards will also leverage more FPS.</p><p>These Gallium3D drivers are still young. The entire architecture has not long ago passed the state of rocket science. There is no real world experience and so the fact that the Nouveau developpers could reverse engineer, convert to Gallium3D and make a GeForce 9 run Quake 3 is a realy, realy big achievement.</p><p>Things will speed up soon and the future of graphic card driver is bright for Linux!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few reasons : 1 ) nVidia 's drivers are not implemented like standard X.org drivers : the binary drivers replace most stuff.2 ) Not optimised yet.3 ) It 's a Gallium3D architecture driver , which is slower ( for now ) than classic Mesa.Gallium3D is a new driver architecture where the driver itself is splitted into three parts : 1 ) The Kernel part .
Providing memmorty management and kernels based modesetting instead of user mode setting .
Every driver could use it so this part is not needed to be implemented into every driver out there to reduce the amount of coding work.2 ) The Gallium3D itself , like this nVidia driver that only needs to expose the bare metal functionality of the graphics card in the form of an API.3 ) Features ( called State Trackers ) like OpenGL , video acceleration , OpenCL , Direct3D , vector graphics acceleration , etc... This is also something that is the same for all Gallium3D driver supported graphics cards .
This also does n't need to be coded for every Gallium3D driven card like the nVidia cards .
BTW these State Trackers are implemented on top of the 'standard ' Gallium3D API that is surficed by this nVidia Nouveau driver...So the speed of the nVidia cards when driven by this Gallium3D driver is not solely Nouveau 's 'fault' .
If the Linux kernel and the State Trackers speed up then the nVidia cards will also leverage more FPS.These Gallium3D drivers are still young .
The entire architecture has not long ago passed the state of rocket science .
There is no real world experience and so the fact that the Nouveau developpers could reverse engineer , convert to Gallium3D and make a GeForce 9 run Quake 3 is a realy , realy big achievement.Things will speed up soon and the future of graphic card driver is bright for Linux !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few reasons:1) nVidia's drivers are not implemented like standard X.org drivers: the binary drivers replace most stuff.2) Not optimised yet.3) It's a Gallium3D architecture driver, which is slower (for now) than classic Mesa.Gallium3D is a new driver architecture where the driver itself is splitted into three parts:1) The Kernel part.
Providing memmorty management and kernels based modesetting instead of user mode setting.
Every driver could use it so this part is not needed to be implemented into every driver out there to reduce the amount of coding work.2) The Gallium3D itself, like this nVidia driver that only needs to expose the bare metal functionality of the graphics card in the form of an API.3) Features (called State Trackers) like OpenGL, video acceleration, OpenCL, Direct3D, vector graphics acceleration, etc... This is also something that is the same for all Gallium3D driver supported graphics cards.
This also doesn't need to be coded for every Gallium3D driven card like the nVidia cards.
BTW these State Trackers are implemented on top of the 'standard' Gallium3D API that is surficed by this nVidia Nouveau driver...So the speed of the nVidia cards when driven by this Gallium3D driver is not solely Nouveau's 'fault'.
If the Linux kernel and the State Trackers speed up then the nVidia cards will also leverage more FPS.These Gallium3D drivers are still young.
The entire architecture has not long ago passed the state of rocket science.
There is no real world experience and so the fact that the Nouveau developpers could reverse engineer, convert to Gallium3D and make a GeForce 9 run Quake 3 is a realy, realy big achievement.Things will speed up soon and the future of graphic card driver is bright for Linux!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177500</id>
	<title>KDE Sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265024700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reasons why KDE sucks:<br> <br>

<b>1. Obsession over K:</b> All KDE developers have a fetishistic, homosexual "K" fetish. If you take a look at KDE software, you'd notice that most if not all software names begin with the letter K. It's frustrating to see the letter "K" staring at you from every where like a two-bit faggot. There's Kmenu, Kaffine, K3B, <b>KDawson</b>, KKK, etc. "K" isn't the sweetest letter of the alphabet, in fact it sounds like a sharp gag, as in Koughing on Kock. So sticking a "K" in front of every name makes it every bit as gay as the iPods and iPhones without the "Kool factor".<br> <br>

<b>2. Too much menu-bloat:</b> KDE has way too many options. If Gnome were Windows XP, then KDE would be Vista or 7 - more petty superficial options which give the user the impression of Kontrol while ultimately doing jack shit. Sure, customizations are all good and nice, I don't want to be presented with a fuckload of options while changing the wallpaper. Take a look on "Configure Konqueror" option in Konqueror-the default browser for KDE. All those options and not a single NoScript or AdBlock, the shit that counts. <br> <br>

<b>3. Package management:</b> Synaptic is the fucking best, <b>period</b>. You'd think that they'd get the one thing which <i>should</i> tell the operator what the fuck is going on, the package manager, right. But the Kooks thought,<blockquote><div><p> <i>"Yeah, let's be different and <b>not</b> use the best fucking package manager in the world because we don't want to be like those Gnome lusers KeKeKe."</i></p></div> </blockquote><p> Adept fucking sucks. It dosen't show the size of packages or their dependencies. Would it hurt to add Synaptic instead of trying to be Kool? Which leads me to the next point...<br> <br>

<b>4. KDE's software sucks:</b> KDE developers choose software on the basis whether or not they have an integral "K" in it rather than the quality of software. So you will find bloated shitware like Konqueror which makes Firefox look like Lynx in comparison. K3B's messy UI looks like something a tweeking <i>prima donna</i> would crank out pantsless with porn in the VCR and Chinese food containers all over the mattress -- crap, just a whole lot more of it. <br> <br>

<b>5. File navigation:</b> As most of you know KDE uses both Konqueror and Dolphin for file navigation. It's like one of the more zoophilic devs saw dolphinsex.org and thought it would be cute to add a furry element to KDE. This makes navigation every bit as confusing as the KDE devs' sexual orientations. Pick one and stick to it, don't be whores.<br> <br>

<b>6. Konfusing:</b> KDE is a Klusterfuck. Straightforward users will be pissed off by the level of stupid customizations. It's no wonder that Kubuntu is the red-headed bastard stepchild of Ubuntu. KDE users like to believe that they are smarter and more powerful, in the sense that MSCEs are "engineers" because they know how to click menus 'n' shit.<br> <br>

<b>7. The Wallet:</b> In Konqueror if you save password for some website, this 'wallet' password pops up and in order to save the password you have to type another password in the wallet. Hell! Imagine doing this for each and every gay or zoo porn website which asks for a password. Sure, some might argue that it is a security feature, if not letting your jealous boyfriends have a reason to beat your ass is a "security feature" which is moot if your gay jealous boyfriend gets to watch you type <i>both</i> passwords over your shoulder.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reasons why KDE sucks : 1 .
Obsession over K : All KDE developers have a fetishistic , homosexual " K " fetish .
If you take a look at KDE software , you 'd notice that most if not all software names begin with the letter K. It 's frustrating to see the letter " K " staring at you from every where like a two-bit faggot .
There 's Kmenu , Kaffine , K3B , KDawson , KKK , etc .
" K " is n't the sweetest letter of the alphabet , in fact it sounds like a sharp gag , as in Koughing on Kock .
So sticking a " K " in front of every name makes it every bit as gay as the iPods and iPhones without the " Kool factor " .
2. Too much menu-bloat : KDE has way too many options .
If Gnome were Windows XP , then KDE would be Vista or 7 - more petty superficial options which give the user the impression of Kontrol while ultimately doing jack shit .
Sure , customizations are all good and nice , I do n't want to be presented with a fuckload of options while changing the wallpaper .
Take a look on " Configure Konqueror " option in Konqueror-the default browser for KDE .
All those options and not a single NoScript or AdBlock , the shit that counts .
3. Package management : Synaptic is the fucking best , period .
You 'd think that they 'd get the one thing which should tell the operator what the fuck is going on , the package manager , right .
But the Kooks thought , " Yeah , let 's be different and not use the best fucking package manager in the world because we do n't want to be like those Gnome lusers KeKeKe .
" Adept fucking sucks .
It dose n't show the size of packages or their dependencies .
Would it hurt to add Synaptic instead of trying to be Kool ?
Which leads me to the next point.. . 4. KDE 's software sucks : KDE developers choose software on the basis whether or not they have an integral " K " in it rather than the quality of software .
So you will find bloated shitware like Konqueror which makes Firefox look like Lynx in comparison .
K3B 's messy UI looks like something a tweeking prima donna would crank out pantsless with porn in the VCR and Chinese food containers all over the mattress -- crap , just a whole lot more of it .
5. File navigation : As most of you know KDE uses both Konqueror and Dolphin for file navigation .
It 's like one of the more zoophilic devs saw dolphinsex.org and thought it would be cute to add a furry element to KDE .
This makes navigation every bit as confusing as the KDE devs ' sexual orientations .
Pick one and stick to it , do n't be whores .
6. Konfusing : KDE is a Klusterfuck .
Straightforward users will be pissed off by the level of stupid customizations .
It 's no wonder that Kubuntu is the red-headed bastard stepchild of Ubuntu .
KDE users like to believe that they are smarter and more powerful , in the sense that MSCEs are " engineers " because they know how to click menus 'n ' shit .
7. The Wallet : In Konqueror if you save password for some website , this 'wallet ' password pops up and in order to save the password you have to type another password in the wallet .
Hell ! Imagine doing this for each and every gay or zoo porn website which asks for a password .
Sure , some might argue that it is a security feature , if not letting your jealous boyfriends have a reason to beat your ass is a " security feature " which is moot if your gay jealous boyfriend gets to watch you type both passwords over your shoulder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reasons why KDE sucks: 

1.
Obsession over K: All KDE developers have a fetishistic, homosexual "K" fetish.
If you take a look at KDE software, you'd notice that most if not all software names begin with the letter K. It's frustrating to see the letter "K" staring at you from every where like a two-bit faggot.
There's Kmenu, Kaffine, K3B, KDawson, KKK, etc.
"K" isn't the sweetest letter of the alphabet, in fact it sounds like a sharp gag, as in Koughing on Kock.
So sticking a "K" in front of every name makes it every bit as gay as the iPods and iPhones without the "Kool factor".
2. Too much menu-bloat: KDE has way too many options.
If Gnome were Windows XP, then KDE would be Vista or 7 - more petty superficial options which give the user the impression of Kontrol while ultimately doing jack shit.
Sure, customizations are all good and nice, I don't want to be presented with a fuckload of options while changing the wallpaper.
Take a look on "Configure Konqueror" option in Konqueror-the default browser for KDE.
All those options and not a single NoScript or AdBlock, the shit that counts.
3. Package management: Synaptic is the fucking best, period.
You'd think that they'd get the one thing which should tell the operator what the fuck is going on, the package manager, right.
But the Kooks thought, "Yeah, let's be different and not use the best fucking package manager in the world because we don't want to be like those Gnome lusers KeKeKe.
"  Adept fucking sucks.
It dosen't show the size of packages or their dependencies.
Would it hurt to add Synaptic instead of trying to be Kool?
Which leads me to the next point... 

4. KDE's software sucks: KDE developers choose software on the basis whether or not they have an integral "K" in it rather than the quality of software.
So you will find bloated shitware like Konqueror which makes Firefox look like Lynx in comparison.
K3B's messy UI looks like something a tweeking prima donna would crank out pantsless with porn in the VCR and Chinese food containers all over the mattress -- crap, just a whole lot more of it.
5. File navigation: As most of you know KDE uses both Konqueror and Dolphin for file navigation.
It's like one of the more zoophilic devs saw dolphinsex.org and thought it would be cute to add a furry element to KDE.
This makes navigation every bit as confusing as the KDE devs' sexual orientations.
Pick one and stick to it, don't be whores.
6. Konfusing: KDE is a Klusterfuck.
Straightforward users will be pissed off by the level of stupid customizations.
It's no wonder that Kubuntu is the red-headed bastard stepchild of Ubuntu.
KDE users like to believe that they are smarter and more powerful, in the sense that MSCEs are "engineers" because they know how to click menus 'n' shit.
7. The Wallet: In Konqueror if you save password for some website, this 'wallet' password pops up and in order to save the password you have to type another password in the wallet.
Hell! Imagine doing this for each and every gay or zoo porn website which asks for a password.
Sure, some might argue that it is a security feature, if not letting your jealous boyfriends have a reason to beat your ass is a "security feature" which is moot if your gay jealous boyfriend gets to watch you type both passwords over your shoulder.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31180884</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Questions</title>
	<author>MostAwesomeDude</author>
	<datestamp>1265052300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) C. You should also be familiar with compiler theory, data structures, bus layouts, and all the various arcane weirdness around arches, especially x86.</p><p>2) Nothing special. Most of the programs we use for testing are games, since they have the best stress tests and because we target real use-cases. The exception is piglit, which is a conformance test.</p><p>3) The code. AMD and Intel have released some docs, but frankly, you will need to read the code.</p><p>Good luck. This is tough stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) C. You should also be familiar with compiler theory , data structures , bus layouts , and all the various arcane weirdness around arches , especially x86.2 ) Nothing special .
Most of the programs we use for testing are games , since they have the best stress tests and because we target real use-cases .
The exception is piglit , which is a conformance test.3 ) The code .
AMD and Intel have released some docs , but frankly , you will need to read the code.Good luck .
This is tough stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) C. You should also be familiar with compiler theory, data structures, bus layouts, and all the various arcane weirdness around arches, especially x86.2) Nothing special.
Most of the programs we use for testing are games, since they have the best stress tests and because we target real use-cases.
The exception is piglit, which is a conformance test.3) The code.
AMD and Intel have released some docs, but frankly, you will need to read the code.Good luck.
This is tough stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177910</id>
	<title>Factually incorrect troll is factually WRONG.</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1265026260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just for fun:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Take a look on "Configure Konqueror" option in Konqueror-the default browser for KDE. All those options and not a single NoScript or <b>AdBlock,</b> the shit that counts.</p></div><p>Konqueror comes, out of the box, with an adblocker which is compatible with (and defaults to) AdBlockPlus' list.</p><p>The rest of it is a matter of mostly uninformed opinion, like this:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>As most of you know KDE uses both Konqueror and Dolphin for file navigation.</p></div><p>Konqueror is a web browser, it just happens to support Dolphin as a plugin. So nope, no change here. It's other browsers, like Firefox, which insist on making local file browsing look like an autogenerated Apache index.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In Konqueror if you save password for some website, this 'wallet' password pops up and in order to save the password you have to type another password in the wallet.</p></div><p>Yes, once <i>per session.</i> Gnome has an equivalent wallet, and you're not required to have a password for it. It's just helpful if you do -- it's this neat little feature called "encryption". Hell, even Firefox supports a Master Password.</p><p>Not really worth going into detail about how wrong you are, since you're already pretty much a troll, but really, you can do better. There are enough things to dislike about KDE that you could effectively troll it without spreading things which are <i>actually wrong.</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just for fun : Take a look on " Configure Konqueror " option in Konqueror-the default browser for KDE .
All those options and not a single NoScript or AdBlock , the shit that counts.Konqueror comes , out of the box , with an adblocker which is compatible with ( and defaults to ) AdBlockPlus ' list.The rest of it is a matter of mostly uninformed opinion , like this : As most of you know KDE uses both Konqueror and Dolphin for file navigation.Konqueror is a web browser , it just happens to support Dolphin as a plugin .
So nope , no change here .
It 's other browsers , like Firefox , which insist on making local file browsing look like an autogenerated Apache index.In Konqueror if you save password for some website , this 'wallet ' password pops up and in order to save the password you have to type another password in the wallet.Yes , once per session .
Gnome has an equivalent wallet , and you 're not required to have a password for it .
It 's just helpful if you do -- it 's this neat little feature called " encryption " .
Hell , even Firefox supports a Master Password.Not really worth going into detail about how wrong you are , since you 're already pretty much a troll , but really , you can do better .
There are enough things to dislike about KDE that you could effectively troll it without spreading things which are actually wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just for fun:Take a look on "Configure Konqueror" option in Konqueror-the default browser for KDE.
All those options and not a single NoScript or AdBlock, the shit that counts.Konqueror comes, out of the box, with an adblocker which is compatible with (and defaults to) AdBlockPlus' list.The rest of it is a matter of mostly uninformed opinion, like this:As most of you know KDE uses both Konqueror and Dolphin for file navigation.Konqueror is a web browser, it just happens to support Dolphin as a plugin.
So nope, no change here.
It's other browsers, like Firefox, which insist on making local file browsing look like an autogenerated Apache index.In Konqueror if you save password for some website, this 'wallet' password pops up and in order to save the password you have to type another password in the wallet.Yes, once per session.
Gnome has an equivalent wallet, and you're not required to have a password for it.
It's just helpful if you do -- it's this neat little feature called "encryption".
Hell, even Firefox supports a Master Password.Not really worth going into detail about how wrong you are, since you're already pretty much a troll, but really, you can do better.
There are enough things to dislike about KDE that you could effectively troll it without spreading things which are actually wrong.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178746</id>
	<title>Re:How come?</title>
	<author>postmortem</author>
	<datestamp>1265031540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they do some of stuff in software that card is actually able to accelerate in hardware?<br>Because unlike wifi and such cards which do most of calculations on host; here they need to make hardware 'do it'?<br>Because they don't know how to use architecture for which they don't have full specs or programming guides?</p><p>They are almost doing mission impossible. Many more man-hours are needed to reverse engineer proper ways to use the hardware. With so many millions of transistors on board, it does not sound promising.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they do some of stuff in software that card is actually able to accelerate in hardware ? Because unlike wifi and such cards which do most of calculations on host ; here they need to make hardware 'do it ' ? Because they do n't know how to use architecture for which they do n't have full specs or programming guides ? They are almost doing mission impossible .
Many more man-hours are needed to reverse engineer proper ways to use the hardware .
With so many millions of transistors on board , it does not sound promising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they do some of stuff in software that card is actually able to accelerate in hardware?Because unlike wifi and such cards which do most of calculations on host; here they need to make hardware 'do it'?Because they don't know how to use architecture for which they don't have full specs or programming guides?They are almost doing mission impossible.
Many more man-hours are needed to reverse engineer proper ways to use the hardware.
With so many millions of transistors on board, it does not sound promising.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178582</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265030100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me guess. The naivet&#233; of the quest to program device drivers will lead one to crash and burn with spectacular resaults. Am I right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess .
The naivet   of the quest to program device drivers will lead one to crash and burn with spectacular resaults .
Am I right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess.
The naiveté of the quest to program device drivers will lead one to crash and burn with spectacular resaults.
Am I right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178312</id>
	<title>Re:How come?</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1265028540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reverse engineering of hardware interfaces involves running usb, i2c, pci monitoring software to watch to see what hardware memory and registers are being changed. From this, it is possible to write an equivalent driver.</p><p>Doesn't Nvidia do some memory mapping voodoo with virtual memory mapping to speed up context switching?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reverse engineering of hardware interfaces involves running usb , i2c , pci monitoring software to watch to see what hardware memory and registers are being changed .
From this , it is possible to write an equivalent driver.Does n't Nvidia do some memory mapping voodoo with virtual memory mapping to speed up context switching ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reverse engineering of hardware interfaces involves running usb, i2c, pci monitoring software to watch to see what hardware memory and registers are being changed.
From this, it is possible to write an equivalent driver.Doesn't Nvidia do some memory mapping voodoo with virtual memory mapping to speed up context switching?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177758</id>
	<title>Re:Benchmarks</title>
	<author>serviscope\_minor</author>
	<datestamp>1265025600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So? The NVidia driver doesn't support xrandr. I know it's only a professional project, but I hardly thing that a company should distribute a driver which can't even change screen resolution using the standard tools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
The NVidia driver does n't support xrandr .
I know it 's only a professional project , but I hardly thing that a company should distribute a driver which ca n't even change screen resolution using the standard tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
The NVidia driver doesn't support xrandr.
I know it's only a professional project, but I hardly thing that a company should distribute a driver which can't even change screen resolution using the standard tools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31181608</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266486360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sometimes using the opensource drivers have serious benefits, such as stability. The nvidia drivers never really caused me much trouble, but this is highlighted by fglrx v. radeon. Radeon is as solid as a rock for me, while fglrx will cause random kernel panics (not common, but 0 panics v. 5/panics a month is annoying). fglrx is much better at 3d, but at 2d it is worse than radeon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes using the opensource drivers have serious benefits , such as stability .
The nvidia drivers never really caused me much trouble , but this is highlighted by fglrx v. radeon. Radeon is as solid as a rock for me , while fglrx will cause random kernel panics ( not common , but 0 panics v. 5/panics a month is annoying ) .
fglrx is much better at 3d , but at 2d it is worse than radeon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes using the opensource drivers have serious benefits, such as stability.
The nvidia drivers never really caused me much trouble, but this is highlighted by fglrx v. radeon. Radeon is as solid as a rock for me, while fglrx will cause random kernel panics (not common, but 0 panics v. 5/panics a month is annoying).
fglrx is much better at 3d, but at 2d it is worse than radeon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31180172</id>
	<title>The official Nvidia driver crashes my laptop</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1265044020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Soooo, I don't care if the Free driver is slower.  I'd be happy if it works and doesn't crash.  Presently I'm forced to use the VESA driver.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Soooo , I do n't care if the Free driver is slower .
I 'd be happy if it works and does n't crash .
Presently I 'm forced to use the VESA driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soooo, I don't care if the Free driver is slower.
I'd be happy if it works and doesn't crash.
Presently I'm forced to use the VESA driver.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31182042</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>BESTouff</author>
	<datestamp>1266490980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost?</p></div><p>The NVIDIA driver has a huge cost: you know the day NVIDIA wants your card to be obsolete and replaced, they'll stop shipping the driver. They did it in the past and will continue to do it because they think it makes them more profitable. Plus, you don't know what's in their driver, no one can make it work with your custom kernel if there's a problem.
</p><p>Only if your don't value your freedom, the NVIDIA driver has no cost (but then you're better with MacOS or Windows).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source , even if a better competitor is available at no cost ? The NVIDIA driver has a huge cost : you know the day NVIDIA wants your card to be obsolete and replaced , they 'll stop shipping the driver .
They did it in the past and will continue to do it because they think it makes them more profitable .
Plus , you do n't know what 's in their driver , no one can make it work with your custom kernel if there 's a problem .
Only if your do n't value your freedom , the NVIDIA driver has no cost ( but then you 're better with MacOS or Windows ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do some people really use markedly inferior software simply because it is open source, even if a better competitor is available at no cost?The NVIDIA driver has a huge cost: you know the day NVIDIA wants your card to be obsolete and replaced, they'll stop shipping the driver.
They did it in the past and will continue to do it because they think it makes them more profitable.
Plus, you don't know what's in their driver, no one can make it work with your custom kernel if there's a problem.
Only if your don't value your freedom, the NVIDIA driver has no cost (but then you're better with MacOS or Windows).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31186780</id>
	<title>Re:The official Nvidia driver crashes my laptop</title>
	<author>dweezil-n0xad</author>
	<datestamp>1266517860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On my laptop I had to disable dynamic clocking in my nvidia driver config to get a working driver.<br>
Add this to your nvidia modprobe options in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/modprobe.d/:<br>
options nvidia NVreg\_RegistryDwords="PerfLevelSrc=0x2222"<br>
<br>
Many people have this <a href="http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&amp;source=hp&amp;q=options+nvidia+NVreg\_RegistryDwords\%3D\%22PerfLevelSrc\%3D0x2222\%22&amp;btnG=Google+zoeken&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" title="google.be" rel="nofollow">problem</a> [google.be] with the official nvidia driver.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On my laptop I had to disable dynamic clocking in my nvidia driver config to get a working driver .
Add this to your nvidia modprobe options in /etc/modprobe.d/ : options nvidia NVreg \ _RegistryDwords = " PerfLevelSrc = 0x2222 " Many people have this problem [ google.be ] with the official nvidia driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On my laptop I had to disable dynamic clocking in my nvidia driver config to get a working driver.
Add this to your nvidia modprobe options in /etc/modprobe.d/:
options nvidia NVreg\_RegistryDwords="PerfLevelSrc=0x2222"

Many people have this problem [google.be] with the official nvidia driver.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177888</id>
	<title>A better question</title>
	<author>ElusiveJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1265026140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it better than using a software 3D stack? Because I have a feeling that nothing is really accelerated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it better than using a software 3D stack ?
Because I have a feeling that nothing is really accelerated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it better than using a software 3D stack?
Because I have a feeling that nothing is really accelerated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177896</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265026140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Copy the Ethernet driver code, and use it as a base.
</p><p>Seriously, that's what the folks told me before I wrote a device driver for an ATM network adapter.
</p><p>Don't even look at the Token Ring driver code, I was told.
</p><p>I could imagine the same holds for writing graphics card device drivers.
</p><p>That glass of Sake, and a talk from your manager about the Divine Wind will be all that you need to set off about your task.
</p><p>Oh, and the headband with the red dot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Copy the Ethernet driver code , and use it as a base .
Seriously , that 's what the folks told me before I wrote a device driver for an ATM network adapter .
Do n't even look at the Token Ring driver code , I was told .
I could imagine the same holds for writing graphics card device drivers .
That glass of Sake , and a talk from your manager about the Divine Wind will be all that you need to set off about your task .
Oh , and the headband with the red dot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Copy the Ethernet driver code, and use it as a base.
Seriously, that's what the folks told me before I wrote a device driver for an ATM network adapter.
Don't even look at the Token Ring driver code, I was told.
I could imagine the same holds for writing graphics card device drivers.
That glass of Sake, and a talk from your manager about the Divine Wind will be all that you need to set off about your task.
Oh, and the headband with the red dot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177864</id>
	<title>Wow, it's like the infancy of civilization.</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1265026080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember at Intel those silly locked up books detailing the trade secrets.  We have constrained bits flying through constrained hardware to make a game.  Anyone looking in from the outside will wonder what game we are all playing for this state of affairs!</p><p>I don't think we'll get either religion or IP out of the way before the Singularity hits anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember at Intel those silly locked up books detailing the trade secrets .
We have constrained bits flying through constrained hardware to make a game .
Anyone looking in from the outside will wonder what game we are all playing for this state of affairs ! I do n't think we 'll get either religion or IP out of the way before the Singularity hits anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember at Intel those silly locked up books detailing the trade secrets.
We have constrained bits flying through constrained hardware to make a game.
Anyone looking in from the outside will wonder what game we are all playing for this state of affairs!I don't think we'll get either religion or IP out of the way before the Singularity hits anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31203586</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266571920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is there a legal worry about distributing the nVidia driver? Section 2.1.2 of the nVidia license, people. READ it. It pretty much clears up any doubt about it's redistribution when it comes to Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is there a legal worry about distributing the nVidia driver ?
Section 2.1.2 of the nVidia license , people .
READ it .
It pretty much clears up any doubt about it 's redistribution when it comes to Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is there a legal worry about distributing the nVidia driver?
Section 2.1.2 of the nVidia license, people.
READ it.
It pretty much clears up any doubt about it's redistribution when it comes to Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178234</id>
	<title>You game on Fedora?</title>
	<author>hatemonger</author>
	<datestamp>1265028120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a PC owner with a polarized projector setup, I'm mush more interested in ATI's Catalyst 10.3 coming out in March that will have 3D support in the stereoscopic sense. <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/catalyst-eyefinity-radeon,2559-2.html" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/catalyst-eyefinity-radeon,2559-2.html</a> [tomshardware.com]

(Yes, I know it's offtopic. It still makes me giddy and I don't have anyone else to tell.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a PC owner with a polarized projector setup , I 'm mush more interested in ATI 's Catalyst 10.3 coming out in March that will have 3D support in the stereoscopic sense .
http : //www.tomshardware.com/reviews/catalyst-eyefinity-radeon,2559-2.html [ tomshardware.com ] ( Yes , I know it 's offtopic .
It still makes me giddy and I do n't have anyone else to tell .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a PC owner with a polarized projector setup, I'm mush more interested in ATI's Catalyst 10.3 coming out in March that will have 3D support in the stereoscopic sense.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/catalyst-eyefinity-radeon,2559-2.html [tomshardware.com]

(Yes, I know it's offtopic.
It still makes me giddy and I don't have anyone else to tell.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31179366</id>
	<title>Awesome</title>
	<author>quantaman</author>
	<datestamp>1265036760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm actually pretty impressed, I didn't expect they'd be this successful getting a development community and a working driver going. I'm curious as to the stability, I noticed there was one issue with the fonts in the review. Personally stability would be the big selling point for me, I've had issues with the proprietary drivers in the past and it would be great if there was a highly dependable open source driver I could count on.</p><p>On a related topic does anyone know the state of the open source ATI driver? I saw a phoronix article claiming it was <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news\_item&amp;px=Nzc3NQ" title="phoronix.com">more popular than the proprietary one</a> [phoronix.com] but other than that I don't know what it has for performance or features. It would be interesting to compare since the ATI made the specs available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm actually pretty impressed , I did n't expect they 'd be this successful getting a development community and a working driver going .
I 'm curious as to the stability , I noticed there was one issue with the fonts in the review .
Personally stability would be the big selling point for me , I 've had issues with the proprietary drivers in the past and it would be great if there was a highly dependable open source driver I could count on.On a related topic does anyone know the state of the open source ATI driver ?
I saw a phoronix article claiming it was more popular than the proprietary one [ phoronix.com ] but other than that I do n't know what it has for performance or features .
It would be interesting to compare since the ATI made the specs available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm actually pretty impressed, I didn't expect they'd be this successful getting a development community and a working driver going.
I'm curious as to the stability, I noticed there was one issue with the fonts in the review.
Personally stability would be the big selling point for me, I've had issues with the proprietary drivers in the past and it would be great if there was a highly dependable open source driver I could count on.On a related topic does anyone know the state of the open source ATI driver?
I saw a phoronix article claiming it was more popular than the proprietary one [phoronix.com] but other than that I don't know what it has for performance or features.
It would be interesting to compare since the ATI made the specs available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178346</id>
	<title>I know it doesn't fit right but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265028720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...what the f&amp;(&pound; is wrong with the one that selected the quotes to be put at the end of the page?</p><p>"It's today!" said Piglet. "My favorite day," said Pooh.</p><p>Oh god. Captcha: forest. FML. I think I'm gonna go drown myself in a pot of honey. Thx CowboyNeal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...what the f&amp; (   is wrong with the one that selected the quotes to be put at the end of the page ?
" It 's today !
" said Piglet .
" My favorite day , " said Pooh.Oh god .
Captcha : forest .
FML. I think I 'm gon na go drown myself in a pot of honey .
Thx CowboyNeal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...what the f&amp;(£ is wrong with the one that selected the quotes to be put at the end of the page?
"It's today!
" said Piglet.
"My favorite day," said Pooh.Oh god.
Captcha: forest.
FML. I think I'm gonna go drown myself in a pot of honey.
Thx CowboyNeal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177544</id>
	<title>This post is a troll.  Mod accordingly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265024820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>ATTN: This post is a troll.  Mod accordingly</b></p><p>Is she illin in the panicillin?<br>Is she chillin in the panicillin?<br>Is she stealin in the panicillin?<br>Is she feelin in the panicillin?</p><p>Panka panka</p><p>Is she liable no suitifiable pliable style is so suitifiable<br>Is she liable no suitifiable im not on trial but its suitifiable<br>Is she reliable no suitifiable not just viable but real suitifiable<br>Is she try-able no suitifiable lying in the aisle im real suitifiable</p><p>Is she spillin in the panicillin?<br>Is she squealin in the panicillin?<br>Is she feelin in the panicillin?<br>Is she trillin in the panicillin?</p><p>Panka panka</p><p>Is it libel? no suitifiable pliable style is so suitifiable<br>Is it a style? no suitifiable im not on trial but its suitifiable<br>Is it a mile? no suitifiable not just viable but real suitifiable<br>Is it wild? no suitifiable lying in the aisle im real suitifiable</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ATTN : This post is a troll .
Mod accordinglyIs she illin in the panicillin ? Is she chillin in the panicillin ? Is she stealin in the panicillin ? Is she feelin in the panicillin ? Panka pankaIs she liable no suitifiable pliable style is so suitifiableIs she liable no suitifiable im not on trial but its suitifiableIs she reliable no suitifiable not just viable but real suitifiableIs she try-able no suitifiable lying in the aisle im real suitifiableIs she spillin in the panicillin ? Is she squealin in the panicillin ? Is she feelin in the panicillin ? Is she trillin in the panicillin ? Panka pankaIs it libel ?
no suitifiable pliable style is so suitifiableIs it a style ?
no suitifiable im not on trial but its suitifiableIs it a mile ?
no suitifiable not just viable but real suitifiableIs it wild ?
no suitifiable lying in the aisle im real suitifiable</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ATTN: This post is a troll.
Mod accordinglyIs she illin in the panicillin?Is she chillin in the panicillin?Is she stealin in the panicillin?Is she feelin in the panicillin?Panka pankaIs she liable no suitifiable pliable style is so suitifiableIs she liable no suitifiable im not on trial but its suitifiableIs she reliable no suitifiable not just viable but real suitifiableIs she try-able no suitifiable lying in the aisle im real suitifiableIs she spillin in the panicillin?Is she squealin in the panicillin?Is she feelin in the panicillin?Is she trillin in the panicillin?Panka pankaIs it libel?
no suitifiable pliable style is so suitifiableIs it a style?
no suitifiable im not on trial but its suitifiableIs it a mile?
no suitifiable not just viable but real suitifiableIs it wild?
no suitifiable lying in the aisle im real suitifiable</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31179768</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265040300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I started out with this:</p><p>#include<br>#include<br>int main(void)<br>{<br>printf("Hello World\n");<br>}</p><p>But, you know, go with that red dot thing if it works for you.  Come back and tell us how it worked out for you.....oh wait!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started out with this : # include # includeint main ( void ) { printf ( " Hello World \ n " ) ; } But , you know , go with that red dot thing if it works for you .
Come back and tell us how it worked out for you.....oh wait !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started out with this:#include#includeint main(void){printf("Hello World\n");}But, you know, go with that red dot thing if it works for you.
Come back and tell us how it worked out for you.....oh wait!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178038</id>
	<title>Re:Benchmarks</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1265026920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use xrandr to change the resolution of my GTS 250 all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use xrandr to change the resolution of my GTS 250 all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use xrandr to change the resolution of my GTS 250 all the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177758</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31183078</id>
	<title>Re:Benchmarks</title>
	<author>i.r.id10t</author>
	<datestamp>1266502080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't have it for Quake3, but for Quake2 my old Voodoo3-2000 card (AGP, 16mb ram) I was getting arond 90fps<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... this was in '98 and '99...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't have it for Quake3 , but for Quake2 my old Voodoo3-2000 card ( AGP , 16mb ram ) I was getting arond 90fps ... this was in '98 and '99.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't have it for Quake3, but for Quake2 my old Voodoo3-2000 card (AGP, 16mb ram) I was getting arond 90fps ... this was in '98 and '99...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177596</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31185182</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1266511500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it supports KMS (which is more important than 3D acceleration with many, such as myself)</p></div><p>Off-topic, but: why is KMS more important? Not (to my knowledge) being affected by any of the problems that it solves, I never understood why it was all that special. What does it do for you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it supports KMS ( which is more important than 3D acceleration with many , such as myself ) Off-topic , but : why is KMS more important ?
Not ( to my knowledge ) being affected by any of the problems that it solves , I never understood why it was all that special .
What does it do for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it supports KMS (which is more important than 3D acceleration with many, such as myself)Off-topic, but: why is KMS more important?
Not (to my knowledge) being affected by any of the problems that it solves, I never understood why it was all that special.
What does it do for you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31178818</id>
	<title>Xbox support?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265032080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does Nouveau support the graphics chip in the Xbox yet? I'd really love to be able to run XBMC on Linux on Xbox rather than running it on the Xbox OS on the Xbox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Nouveau support the graphics chip in the Xbox yet ?
I 'd really love to be able to run XBMC on Linux on Xbox rather than running it on the Xbox OS on the Xbox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Nouveau support the graphics chip in the Xbox yet?
I'd really love to be able to run XBMC on Linux on Xbox rather than running it on the Xbox OS on the Xbox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31179284</id>
	<title>Re:Quick Questions</title>
	<author>Ruie</author>
	<datestamp>1265036160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Writing graphics card drivers is a way to get closer to the hardware. They have many interesting gadgets (like PLLs) that give a taste of interfacing with a real world.<p>
For 3d drivers, I recommend reading a book on OpenGL, downloading Noveau code and reading it. Lurk on the mailing list for a few weeks and then ask developers for a simple task to help with.
Test with your applications and report bugs with as much information as possible. Try fixing the bugs yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Writing graphics card drivers is a way to get closer to the hardware .
They have many interesting gadgets ( like PLLs ) that give a taste of interfacing with a real world .
For 3d drivers , I recommend reading a book on OpenGL , downloading Noveau code and reading it .
Lurk on the mailing list for a few weeks and then ask developers for a simple task to help with .
Test with your applications and report bugs with as much information as possible .
Try fixing the bugs yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Writing graphics card drivers is a way to get closer to the hardware.
They have many interesting gadgets (like PLLs) that give a taste of interfacing with a real world.
For 3d drivers, I recommend reading a book on OpenGL, downloading Noveau code and reading it.
Lurk on the mailing list for a few weeks and then ask developers for a simple task to help with.
Test with your applications and report bugs with as much information as possible.
Try fixing the bugs yourself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31177610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_2231248.31185232</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>migla</author>
	<datestamp>1266511740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the deal:</p><p>Free software is about giving people freedom. Proprietary software is about denying people freedom. Are you for or against freedom?</p><p>(disclaimer: I have proprietary drivers in use, so I suck satans cock to some extent too, figuratively speaking, but that doesn't change the above stated.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the deal : Free software is about giving people freedom .
Proprietary software is about denying people freedom .
Are you for or against freedom ?
( disclaimer : I have proprietary drivers in use , so I suck satans cock to some extent too , figuratively speaking , but that does n't change the above stated .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the deal:Free software is about giving people freedom.
Proprietary software is about denying people freedom.
Are you for or against freedom?
(disclaimer: I have proprietary drivers in use, so I suck satans cock to some extent too, figuratively speaking, but that doesn't change the above stated.
)</sentencetext>
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