<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_16_160241</id>
	<title>Apple Bans Jailbreakers From the App Store</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1266341220000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"Adam Mills writes in the Examiner that Apple has been <a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-8134-SF-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m2d15-Apple-might-be-banning-iPhone-hackers">cutting off access to the iTunes App Store for iPhone hackers and jailbreakers</a>. Sherif Hashim, the iPhone developer who successfully hacked the iPhone OS 3.1.3 and unlocked the 05.12.01 baseband for iPhone 3GS and 3G devices, discovered he'd been cut off and twittered: '"Your Apple ID was banned for security reasons," that's what i get when i try to go to the app store, they must be really angry.' Another hacker, iH8Sn0w, who is behind the Sn0wbreeze tool, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7337">confirms that his account has also been deactivated</a> even though iH8sn0w's exploit had only been revealed to <a href="http://blog.iphone-dev.org/">Dev Team</a>, the group responsible for the PwnageTool. 'It is kind of surprising that two people associated with jailbreaking have had this happen to them so soon after one another, but it's too early to say if this is a campaign that Apple is starting up,' writes Mills."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " Adam Mills writes in the Examiner that Apple has been cutting off access to the iTunes App Store for iPhone hackers and jailbreakers .
Sherif Hashim , the iPhone developer who successfully hacked the iPhone OS 3.1.3 and unlocked the 05.12.01 baseband for iPhone 3GS and 3G devices , discovered he 'd been cut off and twittered : ' " Your Apple ID was banned for security reasons , " that 's what i get when i try to go to the app store , they must be really angry .
' Another hacker , iH8Sn0w , who is behind the Sn0wbreeze tool , confirms that his account has also been deactivated even though iH8sn0w 's exploit had only been revealed to Dev Team , the group responsible for the PwnageTool .
'It is kind of surprising that two people associated with jailbreaking have had this happen to them so soon after one another , but it 's too early to say if this is a campaign that Apple is starting up, ' writes Mills .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "Adam Mills writes in the Examiner that Apple has been cutting off access to the iTunes App Store for iPhone hackers and jailbreakers.
Sherif Hashim, the iPhone developer who successfully hacked the iPhone OS 3.1.3 and unlocked the 05.12.01 baseband for iPhone 3GS and 3G devices, discovered he'd been cut off and twittered: '"Your Apple ID was banned for security reasons," that's what i get when i try to go to the app store, they must be really angry.
' Another hacker, iH8Sn0w, who is behind the Sn0wbreeze tool, confirms that his account has also been deactivated even though iH8sn0w's exploit had only been revealed to Dev Team, the group responsible for the PwnageTool.
'It is kind of surprising that two people associated with jailbreaking have had this happen to them so soon after one another, but it's too early to say if this is a campaign that Apple is starting up,' writes Mills.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157024</id>
	<title>Not surprised...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266344940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple works really hard to keep everything in their little bubble... I am not surprised they are going this route, if indeed it turns out to be that way....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple works really hard to keep everything in their little bubble... I am not surprised they are going this route , if indeed it turns out to be that way... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple works really hard to keep everything in their little bubble... I am not surprised they are going this route, if indeed it turns out to be that way....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157216</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Grond</author>
	<datestamp>1266345480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>Jail-breaking facilitates piracy</em></p><p>So how is banning jailbreakers from the app store going to help with that?  It seems like it would just force the jailbreakers to use pirated apps exclusively.</p><p>And assuming Apple limits the bans to the authors of jailbreaking tools rather than end users, it won't do much to deter the development of such tools.  You don't need access to the app store to write the tools, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the authors of the tools have no problem pirating apps themselves.</p><p>I think jailbreaking isn't a great idea, and Apple is within its rights to deter it through security improvements and the like, but this just seems counterproductive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jail-breaking facilitates piracySo how is banning jailbreakers from the app store going to help with that ?
It seems like it would just force the jailbreakers to use pirated apps exclusively.And assuming Apple limits the bans to the authors of jailbreaking tools rather than end users , it wo n't do much to deter the development of such tools .
You do n't need access to the app store to write the tools , and I 'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the authors of the tools have no problem pirating apps themselves.I think jailbreaking is n't a great idea , and Apple is within its rights to deter it through security improvements and the like , but this just seems counterproductive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jail-breaking facilitates piracySo how is banning jailbreakers from the app store going to help with that?
It seems like it would just force the jailbreakers to use pirated apps exclusively.And assuming Apple limits the bans to the authors of jailbreaking tools rather than end users, it won't do much to deter the development of such tools.
You don't need access to the app store to write the tools, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the authors of the tools have no problem pirating apps themselves.I think jailbreaking isn't a great idea, and Apple is within its rights to deter it through security improvements and the like, but this just seems counterproductive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157420</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266346200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I jailbroke my phone to get these features:</p><p>1. A bash shell and openssh so I could have scripts for maintaining servers with me at all times.</p><p>2. Multitasking - why should GPS apps suspend and lose location info when someone calls? Why should Rhapsody not be allowed to run in the background? (Note to Apple: offer a Rhapsody-like streaming service please)</p><p>3. Steve Jobs may like how the iPhone GUI looks, but I don't worship Jobs and have my own ideas how my iPhone theme should look. Jobs is a brilliant guy, but he is a bit narcissistic. Why should he lock down my phone because I choose to use it differently than he uses his?</p><p>4. To enable tethering, which I haven't used other than to test it, but to know it's there if I am in a pinch and <i>need</i> internet access from a laptop immediately while on the road</p><p>And yet, I've not "pirated"[sic] a single application. I know people who <i>don't</i> jailbreak who claim to "pirate"[sic] apps, by syncing friends' phones to their macs (I don't know if it can be done as I'm not interested in "stealing"[sic] apps). I download plenty of apps from the app store - and some music (I'm mostly happy with my CD rips, but I do want to buy some tracks on occasion). I even purchase paid apps, such as TomTom, bejeweled, and quite a few others. Funny thing though, aside from TomTom, Defend Your Castle, and bejeweled, I don't bother with the apps I paid for all that much. I've found that many of the free ones are better, or just about as good!   Why buy "fastlane" when the only real improvement over the free version is additional scenery?</p><p>I don't "pirate"[sic] apps or music, and have no desire to.  And yet, I jailbroke my phone. In fact when I mistakenly downgraded to 3.1.3 (and did not have my hashes on file) I figured out a way to upgrade generate the hashes and upgrade from 3.1.3 back up to 3.1.2.</p><p>Posted anon since I figured out how to successfully revert back to 3.1.2 and I do not want Apple to ban me from the app store, since I actually LIKE giving Apple money in exchange for product on occasion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I jailbroke my phone to get these features : 1 .
A bash shell and openssh so I could have scripts for maintaining servers with me at all times.2 .
Multitasking - why should GPS apps suspend and lose location info when someone calls ?
Why should Rhapsody not be allowed to run in the background ?
( Note to Apple : offer a Rhapsody-like streaming service please ) 3 .
Steve Jobs may like how the iPhone GUI looks , but I do n't worship Jobs and have my own ideas how my iPhone theme should look .
Jobs is a brilliant guy , but he is a bit narcissistic .
Why should he lock down my phone because I choose to use it differently than he uses his ? 4 .
To enable tethering , which I have n't used other than to test it , but to know it 's there if I am in a pinch and need internet access from a laptop immediately while on the roadAnd yet , I 've not " pirated " [ sic ] a single application .
I know people who do n't jailbreak who claim to " pirate " [ sic ] apps , by syncing friends ' phones to their macs ( I do n't know if it can be done as I 'm not interested in " stealing " [ sic ] apps ) .
I download plenty of apps from the app store - and some music ( I 'm mostly happy with my CD rips , but I do want to buy some tracks on occasion ) .
I even purchase paid apps , such as TomTom , bejeweled , and quite a few others .
Funny thing though , aside from TomTom , Defend Your Castle , and bejeweled , I do n't bother with the apps I paid for all that much .
I 've found that many of the free ones are better , or just about as good !
Why buy " fastlane " when the only real improvement over the free version is additional scenery ? I do n't " pirate " [ sic ] apps or music , and have no desire to .
And yet , I jailbroke my phone .
In fact when I mistakenly downgraded to 3.1.3 ( and did not have my hashes on file ) I figured out a way to upgrade generate the hashes and upgrade from 3.1.3 back up to 3.1.2.Posted anon since I figured out how to successfully revert back to 3.1.2 and I do not want Apple to ban me from the app store , since I actually LIKE giving Apple money in exchange for product on occasion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I jailbroke my phone to get these features:1.
A bash shell and openssh so I could have scripts for maintaining servers with me at all times.2.
Multitasking - why should GPS apps suspend and lose location info when someone calls?
Why should Rhapsody not be allowed to run in the background?
(Note to Apple: offer a Rhapsody-like streaming service please)3.
Steve Jobs may like how the iPhone GUI looks, but I don't worship Jobs and have my own ideas how my iPhone theme should look.
Jobs is a brilliant guy, but he is a bit narcissistic.
Why should he lock down my phone because I choose to use it differently than he uses his?4.
To enable tethering, which I haven't used other than to test it, but to know it's there if I am in a pinch and need internet access from a laptop immediately while on the roadAnd yet, I've not "pirated"[sic] a single application.
I know people who don't jailbreak who claim to "pirate"[sic] apps, by syncing friends' phones to their macs (I don't know if it can be done as I'm not interested in "stealing"[sic] apps).
I download plenty of apps from the app store - and some music (I'm mostly happy with my CD rips, but I do want to buy some tracks on occasion).
I even purchase paid apps, such as TomTom, bejeweled, and quite a few others.
Funny thing though, aside from TomTom, Defend Your Castle, and bejeweled, I don't bother with the apps I paid for all that much.
I've found that many of the free ones are better, or just about as good!
Why buy "fastlane" when the only real improvement over the free version is additional scenery?I don't "pirate"[sic] apps or music, and have no desire to.
And yet, I jailbroke my phone.
In fact when I mistakenly downgraded to 3.1.3 (and did not have my hashes on file) I figured out a way to upgrade generate the hashes and upgrade from 3.1.3 back up to 3.1.2.Posted anon since I figured out how to successfully revert back to 3.1.2 and I do not want Apple to ban me from the app store, since I actually LIKE giving Apple money in exchange for product on occasion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31162092</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1266323820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you bought it so you could replace the software on it because you didn't like any of it?</p><p>Seems to me like a smarter idea would have been to buy a phone that suited your requirements rather than buying something else, then bitching about how it wasn't what you wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you bought it so you could replace the software on it because you did n't like any of it ? Seems to me like a smarter idea would have been to buy a phone that suited your requirements rather than buying something else , then bitching about how it was n't what you wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you bought it so you could replace the software on it because you didn't like any of it?Seems to me like a smarter idea would have been to buy a phone that suited your requirements rather than buying something else, then bitching about how it wasn't what you wanted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31160356</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1266315360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My non-jailbroken iPhone is a very, very long way from a "useless brick" - just because you find it useless without SSH apps (which are available for non-jailbroken iPhones btw) does not make it useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My non-jailbroken iPhone is a very , very long way from a " useless brick " - just because you find it useless without SSH apps ( which are available for non-jailbroken iPhones btw ) does not make it useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My non-jailbroken iPhone is a very, very long way from a "useless brick" - just because you find it useless without SSH apps (which are available for non-jailbroken iPhones btw) does not make it useless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157304</id>
	<title>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266345840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158022</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Trent Hawkins</author>
	<datestamp>1266348540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What I don't get is how this will this hurt hackers? Jail broken i-phones can just as easily download any moderately notable program from a torrenting site and run it for free. So it seems that they'd rather slightly inconvenience hackers then sell the few apps that the hackers might have consider paying for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I do n't get is how this will this hurt hackers ?
Jail broken i-phones can just as easily download any moderately notable program from a torrenting site and run it for free .
So it seems that they 'd rather slightly inconvenience hackers then sell the few apps that the hackers might have consider paying for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I don't get is how this will this hurt hackers?
Jail broken i-phones can just as easily download any moderately notable program from a torrenting site and run it for free.
So it seems that they'd rather slightly inconvenience hackers then sell the few apps that the hackers might have consider paying for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31165250</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>imhennessy</author>
	<datestamp>1266344460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't see any problem with it.  I'm no Apple supporteer, but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.

If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules.  Don't like the rules, don't use the service.</p></div><p>I think the better way of putting it is:
</p><p>
If you try to hack the system, don't whine when the system retaliates. You knew it was a risk when you made your choice.
</p><p>
ivan</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any problem with it .
I 'm no Apple supporteer , but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers .
If you want to use a service , you have to play by that service 's rules .
Do n't like the rules , do n't use the service.I think the better way of putting it is : If you try to hack the system , do n't whine when the system retaliates .
You knew it was a risk when you made your choice .
ivan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any problem with it.
I'm no Apple supporteer, but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.
If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules.
Don't like the rules, don't use the service.I think the better way of putting it is:

If you try to hack the system, don't whine when the system retaliates.
You knew it was a risk when you made your choice.
ivan
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161720</id>
	<title>False</title>
	<author>mr100percent</author>
	<datestamp>1266321780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was proven wrong in the Firehose. You'd think given the flood of comments that maybe<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. would issue an update/correction. Don't let that jerking knee hit you in the chin.<br>Apple's KB article on the topic: <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2446" title="apple.com">http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2446</a> [apple.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was proven wrong in the Firehose .
You 'd think given the flood of comments that maybe / .
would issue an update/correction .
Do n't let that jerking knee hit you in the chin.Apple 's KB article on the topic : http : //support.apple.com/kb/TS2446 [ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was proven wrong in the Firehose.
You'd think given the flood of comments that maybe /.
would issue an update/correction.
Don't let that jerking knee hit you in the chin.Apple's KB article on the topic: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2446 [apple.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158924</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1266352020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is true. If people would actually boycott Apple and not use their product it would send a stronger message. Instead they gave Apple their money, Apple banned them and they win since they don't need to pay for any bandwidth or support to that person.
<br> <br>
All they're doing it making a fuss and talking more about the iPhone and enforcing the idea that everyone has one which will just make more people buy one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true .
If people would actually boycott Apple and not use their product it would send a stronger message .
Instead they gave Apple their money , Apple banned them and they win since they do n't need to pay for any bandwidth or support to that person .
All they 're doing it making a fuss and talking more about the iPhone and enforcing the idea that everyone has one which will just make more people buy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true.
If people would actually boycott Apple and not use their product it would send a stronger message.
Instead they gave Apple their money, Apple banned them and they win since they don't need to pay for any bandwidth or support to that person.
All they're doing it making a fuss and talking more about the iPhone and enforcing the idea that everyone has one which will just make more people buy one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158338</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266349680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yet another reason to have an android</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yet another reason to have an android</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yet another reason to have an android</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31159308</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266353820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like to point out that BiteSMS, Backgrounder + ProSwitcher are reasons enough to JB your phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to point out that BiteSMS , Backgrounder + ProSwitcher are reasons enough to JB your phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to point out that BiteSMS, Backgrounder + ProSwitcher are reasons enough to JB your phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157336</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1266345900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Jail-breaking facilitates piracy</p></div><p>Jail-breaking facilitates a lot of things, like SSH daemons.  If Apple wants to stop piracy of digital media, they should stop selling digital media devices, because they facilitate piracy too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jail-breaking facilitates piracyJail-breaking facilitates a lot of things , like SSH daemons .
If Apple wants to stop piracy of digital media , they should stop selling digital media devices , because they facilitate piracy too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jail-breaking facilitates piracyJail-breaking facilitates a lot of things, like SSH daemons.
If Apple wants to stop piracy of digital media, they should stop selling digital media devices, because they facilitate piracy too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158268</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1266349380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In fact, if I couldn't jailbreak my phone I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state, it's a pretty crappy device for my needs.</p></div></blockquote><p>Here's a rather silly question - why did you buy it in the first place?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , if I could n't jailbreak my phone I would n't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state , it 's a pretty crappy device for my needs.Here 's a rather silly question - why did you buy it in the first place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, if I couldn't jailbreak my phone I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state, it's a pretty crappy device for my needs.Here's a rather silly question - why did you buy it in the first place?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31159000</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1266352380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.</p></div><p>If they gave users "what they want" (flash, multitasking (actually, the iPhone does this very well, I think you mean background apps), tethering (actually, the iPhone does this as well)), then they would be taking away what users *really* want, the thing which makes the iPhone such a hit, which is the refined user experience.</p><p>Trust me, the moment you add a process viewer, you instantly turn off more users than you lost by not having background apps. As for flash, while people want it, even if Apple put flash onto the iPhone, it would *not* be what people are thinking. It would not be like flash on their desktop, but instead a clunky, broken, crashy, battery hog, incompatible mess.</p><p>And tethering, really? Apple provides this. Carriers, on the other hand, disable it. It's their network and their terms. This sucks, and I don't support their decisions, but it's their decision to make.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , there would n't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.If they gave users " what they want " ( flash , multitasking ( actually , the iPhone does this very well , I think you mean background apps ) , tethering ( actually , the iPhone does this as well ) ) , then they would be taking away what users * really * want , the thing which makes the iPhone such a hit , which is the refined user experience.Trust me , the moment you add a process viewer , you instantly turn off more users than you lost by not having background apps .
As for flash , while people want it , even if Apple put flash onto the iPhone , it would * not * be what people are thinking .
It would not be like flash on their desktop , but instead a clunky , broken , crashy , battery hog , incompatible mess.And tethering , really ?
Apple provides this .
Carriers , on the other hand , disable it .
It 's their network and their terms .
This sucks , and I do n't support their decisions , but it 's their decision to make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.If they gave users "what they want" (flash, multitasking (actually, the iPhone does this very well, I think you mean background apps), tethering (actually, the iPhone does this as well)), then they would be taking away what users *really* want, the thing which makes the iPhone such a hit, which is the refined user experience.Trust me, the moment you add a process viewer, you instantly turn off more users than you lost by not having background apps.
As for flash, while people want it, even if Apple put flash onto the iPhone, it would *not* be what people are thinking.
It would not be like flash on their desktop, but instead a clunky, broken, crashy, battery hog, incompatible mess.And tethering, really?
Apple provides this.
Carriers, on the other hand, disable it.
It's their network and their terms.
This sucks, and I don't support their decisions, but it's their decision to make.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157116</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266345240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>where do you come up with this? Jail breaking exists because there is a demand for features that apple refuses to provide. It's no different than rooting a google phone, and for the same reasons.</p><p>Easy examples: Flash, multitasking, tethering.</p><p>I'm an apple hater, someone who doesn't even have an iphone, and even I know this. Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>where do you come up with this ?
Jail breaking exists because there is a demand for features that apple refuses to provide .
It 's no different than rooting a google phone , and for the same reasons.Easy examples : Flash , multitasking , tethering.I 'm an apple hater , someone who does n't even have an iphone , and even I know this .
Basically , there would n't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>where do you come up with this?
Jail breaking exists because there is a demand for features that apple refuses to provide.
It's no different than rooting a google phone, and for the same reasons.Easy examples: Flash, multitasking, tethering.I'm an apple hater, someone who doesn't even have an iphone, and even I know this.
Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161824</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1266322500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.</p></div><p>You're wrong about this. Hackers will always hack things, just for the sake of hacking things. C'mon, this is slashdot, you should know that. Hacking doesn't need to fulfill any need other than curiosity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , there would n't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.You 're wrong about this .
Hackers will always hack things , just for the sake of hacking things .
C'mon , this is slashdot , you should know that .
Hacking does n't need to fulfill any need other than curiosity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.You're wrong about this.
Hackers will always hack things, just for the sake of hacking things.
C'mon, this is slashdot, you should know that.
Hacking doesn't need to fulfill any need other than curiosity.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157264</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1266345660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the Apple cult's answer for anything that deviates from Steve's vision for them.</p><p>Personally, I find Apple's selection of content abominable. Even if I were inside of their<br>bubble, I would not wait for them to get off their lazy asses and make stuff available for<br>purchase. I just go to Amazon or Walmart and connect the rest of the dots myself.</p><p>DRM ultimately just gets in the way of the people that pay.</p><p>Fixating on the pirates is just "glass half empty" thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the Apple cult 's answer for anything that deviates from Steve 's vision for them.Personally , I find Apple 's selection of content abominable .
Even if I were inside of theirbubble , I would not wait for them to get off their lazy asses and make stuff available forpurchase .
I just go to Amazon or Walmart and connect the rest of the dots myself.DRM ultimately just gets in the way of the people that pay.Fixating on the pirates is just " glass half empty " thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the Apple cult's answer for anything that deviates from Steve's vision for them.Personally, I find Apple's selection of content abominable.
Even if I were inside of theirbubble, I would not wait for them to get off their lazy asses and make stuff available forpurchase.
I just go to Amazon or Walmart and connect the rest of the dots myself.DRM ultimately just gets in the way of the people that pay.Fixating on the pirates is just "glass half empty" thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158122</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>tkrotchko</author>
	<datestamp>1266348900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers."</p><p>Because it's not cheating.  That's the first thing that comes to mind.  I'm sure there are other ways this analogy falls apart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers .
" Because it 's not cheating .
That 's the first thing that comes to mind .
I 'm sure there are other ways this analogy falls apart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.
"Because it's not cheating.
That's the first thing that comes to mind.
I'm sure there are other ways this analogy falls apart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161158</id>
	<title>bad idea</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1266319080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>theirs 4 million jailbroken devices out there and they say 38\% have pirate apps on them but what does apple consider pirate if its just 1 apps out of 50 that tosses in that number.. do they conserder any home brew stuff pirate like enabling flash video and safari downloads. see thats what you gotta looks at when apple says stuff like that. yes my i touch 2g is jailbroken but mostly to enable flash and direct downloading on my ipod.  to the point if apple starts banning jail broken devices there all there doing is losing money. iphone users do it to get away from at@t and use the career they like and can you blame em. and others users do it to unlock features apple refuses to put in. then you got the pirates. so banning the large group if jailbroken devices that still use itunes store = lost money and i bet alot of it. most ipohnes are jail broken every one i ever see anyways. i bet it would even make itunes market share go down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>theirs 4 million jailbroken devices out there and they say 38 \ % have pirate apps on them but what does apple consider pirate if its just 1 apps out of 50 that tosses in that number.. do they conserder any home brew stuff pirate like enabling flash video and safari downloads .
see thats what you got ta looks at when apple says stuff like that .
yes my i touch 2g is jailbroken but mostly to enable flash and direct downloading on my ipod .
to the point if apple starts banning jail broken devices there all there doing is losing money .
iphone users do it to get away from at @ t and use the career they like and can you blame em .
and others users do it to unlock features apple refuses to put in .
then you got the pirates .
so banning the large group if jailbroken devices that still use itunes store = lost money and i bet alot of it .
most ipohnes are jail broken every one i ever see anyways .
i bet it would even make itunes market share go down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>theirs 4 million jailbroken devices out there and they say 38\% have pirate apps on them but what does apple consider pirate if its just 1 apps out of 50 that tosses in that number.. do they conserder any home brew stuff pirate like enabling flash video and safari downloads.
see thats what you gotta looks at when apple says stuff like that.
yes my i touch 2g is jailbroken but mostly to enable flash and direct downloading on my ipod.
to the point if apple starts banning jail broken devices there all there doing is losing money.
iphone users do it to get away from at@t and use the career they like and can you blame em.
and others users do it to unlock features apple refuses to put in.
then you got the pirates.
so banning the large group if jailbroken devices that still use itunes store = lost money and i bet alot of it.
most ipohnes are jail broken every one i ever see anyways.
i bet it would even make itunes market share go down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158076</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266348780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.</p></div><p>It's not in that it's all equally wrong?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules. Don't like the rules, don't use the service.</p></div><p>But they're the ones breaking the rules.  A rule for selling people products is that once money and product has exchange hands, the money is now theirs, and the product is now the property of the person who paid for it.  They now have the right to do whatever the fuck they want to it.  Once they broke those rules by attempting to remain in control of product which is no longer theirs, everyone else gets to break the rules to regain control.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.It 's not in that it 's all equally wrong ? If you want to use a service , you have to play by that service 's rules .
Do n't like the rules , do n't use the service.But they 're the ones breaking the rules .
A rule for selling people products is that once money and product has exchange hands , the money is now theirs , and the product is now the property of the person who paid for it .
They now have the right to do whatever the fuck they want to it .
Once they broke those rules by attempting to remain in control of product which is no longer theirs , everyone else gets to break the rules to regain control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.It's not in that it's all equally wrong?If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules.
Don't like the rules, don't use the service.But they're the ones breaking the rules.
A rule for selling people products is that once money and product has exchange hands, the money is now theirs, and the product is now the property of the person who paid for it.
They now have the right to do whatever the fuck they want to it.
Once they broke those rules by attempting to remain in control of product which is no longer theirs, everyone else gets to break the rules to regain control.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31159756</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266312840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'll add my experience:</p><p>I've jailbroken my phone, and I have not placed a single app that was available on the appstore on my phone without purchasing it from the appstore.</p><p>I jailbroke my phone so I could get into the file system of the phone because I absolutely hate using iTunes to get files on and off my device.  I also liked to be able to multitask and not have my preferred music player stop working because I wanted to look up something on the internet.</p><p>In fact, if I couldn't jailbreak my phone I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state, it's a pretty crappy device for my needs.</p></div><p>Uh you can use the internet and ipod at the same time without jailbreaking.<br>Do you really have an iphone???</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll add my experience : I 've jailbroken my phone , and I have not placed a single app that was available on the appstore on my phone without purchasing it from the appstore.I jailbroke my phone so I could get into the file system of the phone because I absolutely hate using iTunes to get files on and off my device .
I also liked to be able to multitask and not have my preferred music player stop working because I wanted to look up something on the internet.In fact , if I could n't jailbreak my phone I would n't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state , it 's a pretty crappy device for my needs.Uh you can use the internet and ipod at the same time without jailbreaking.Do you really have an iphone ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll add my experience:I've jailbroken my phone, and I have not placed a single app that was available on the appstore on my phone without purchasing it from the appstore.I jailbroke my phone so I could get into the file system of the phone because I absolutely hate using iTunes to get files on and off my device.
I also liked to be able to multitask and not have my preferred music player stop working because I wanted to look up something on the internet.In fact, if I couldn't jailbreak my phone I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state, it's a pretty crappy device for my needs.Uh you can use the internet and ipod at the same time without jailbreaking.Do you really have an iphone??
?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161584</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1266321120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would say that 90\% of their customers are happy with what they are getting out of a stock phone + itunes. The other 10\% would never be happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say that 90 \ % of their customers are happy with what they are getting out of a stock phone + itunes .
The other 10 \ % would never be happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say that 90\% of their customers are happy with what they are getting out of a stock phone + itunes.
The other 10\% would never be happy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31160244</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1266314880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My iPhone has tethering and it is not jailbroken, nor do I pay my carrier to enable it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My iPhone has tethering and it is not jailbroken , nor do I pay my carrier to enable it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My iPhone has tethering and it is not jailbroken, nor do I pay my carrier to enable it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157914</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Waste55</author>
	<datestamp>1266348120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think a key difference is that on Xbox live the cheaters interfere with the other user's experience by cheating.
<br> <br>
Me having a jailbroken phone and me still buying apps legitimately does not effect other iPhone users.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a key difference is that on Xbox live the cheaters interfere with the other user 's experience by cheating .
Me having a jailbroken phone and me still buying apps legitimately does not effect other iPhone users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a key difference is that on Xbox live the cheaters interfere with the other user's experience by cheating.
Me having a jailbroken phone and me still buying apps legitimately does not effect other iPhone users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161138</id>
	<title>Re:That's what you get</title>
	<author>TheSHAD0W</author>
	<datestamp>1266319020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>O NOEZ!  I is an evil iPhone hacker and can no longer spend money on appz in the appz store!  Now I can only get pirate appz for free!  O WO IZ MI!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>O NOEZ !
I is an evil iPhone hacker and can no longer spend money on appz in the appz store !
Now I can only get pirate appz for free !
O WO IZ MI !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>O NOEZ!
I is an evil iPhone hacker and can no longer spend money on appz in the appz store!
Now I can only get pirate appz for free!
O WO IZ MI!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157324</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1266345900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And this punishment just happens to only be effective against people who don't pirate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And this punishment just happens to only be effective against people who do n't pirate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this punishment just happens to only be effective against people who don't pirate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31166460</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265017500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you went through the trouble of jailbreaking the phone to have an open platform that you could use to SSH and administer servers, to have multitasking capabilities, and to change the basic UI because you didn't like the iPhone UI, then um - why didn't you just buy an open phone to begin with?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you went through the trouble of jailbreaking the phone to have an open platform that you could use to SSH and administer servers , to have multitasking capabilities , and to change the basic UI because you did n't like the iPhone UI , then um - why did n't you just buy an open phone to begin with ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you went through the trouble of jailbreaking the phone to have an open platform that you could use to SSH and administer servers, to have multitasking capabilities, and to change the basic UI because you didn't like the iPhone UI, then um - why didn't you just buy an open phone to begin with?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157010</id>
	<title>That's what you get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266344880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Owned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Owned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Owned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161854</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1266322680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So how is banning jailbreakers from the app store going to help with that?</p> </div><p>There is no evidence that these users have in fact been banned. Accounts get locked automatically all the time, it's a temporary security measure. Until there's something more substantive showing that people have been banned for being jailbreakers, I remain skeptical.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So how is banning jailbreakers from the app store going to help with that ?
There is no evidence that these users have in fact been banned .
Accounts get locked automatically all the time , it 's a temporary security measure .
Until there 's something more substantive showing that people have been banned for being jailbreakers , I remain skeptical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how is banning jailbreakers from the app store going to help with that?
There is no evidence that these users have in fact been banned.
Accounts get locked automatically all the time, it's a temporary security measure.
Until there's something more substantive showing that people have been banned for being jailbreakers, I remain skeptical.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31162272</id>
	<title>customization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266324720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the only reason my phone is jailbroken is for cosmetics.  the iphone doesn't have a lot of customization built into it as far as visual menus.<br>that's it.<br>every app i have, i paid for.<br>if you wanna ban me for modifying my own hardware for my own purposes, then go for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the only reason my phone is jailbroken is for cosmetics .
the iphone does n't have a lot of customization built into it as far as visual menus.that 's it.every app i have , i paid for.if you wan na ban me for modifying my own hardware for my own purposes , then go for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the only reason my phone is jailbroken is for cosmetics.
the iphone doesn't have a lot of customization built into it as far as visual menus.that's it.every app i have, i paid for.if you wanna ban me for modifying my own hardware for my own purposes, then go for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157808</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>atdt1991</author>
	<datestamp>1266347700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fixed.<br> <br>

"If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules, unless in your outrage you find a cheaper, easier solution that costs the service profits."
<br> <br>
I mean, let's not be idealistic here, this is what happens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fixed .
" If you want to use a service , you have to play by that service 's rules , unless in your outrage you find a cheaper , easier solution that costs the service profits .
" I mean , let 's not be idealistic here , this is what happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fixed.
"If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules, unless in your outrage you find a cheaper, easier solution that costs the service profits.
"
 
I mean, let's not be idealistic here, this is what happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161880</id>
	<title>Bogus article</title>
	<author>PishiGorbeh</author>
	<datestamp>1266322800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>See here: <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2446" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2446</a> [apple.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>See here : http : //support.apple.com/kb/TS2446 [ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See here: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2446 [apple.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157712</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1266347340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL</p> </div><p>See, that whole thing really pissed me off.  Instead of banning hacked consoles from Live entirely, why not just ban them from having a Gold account and allow them to keep a silver account?  That way, people with hacked consoles can still pay Microsoft for downloadable games and DLC, yet can't "cheat" during multiplayer.</p><p>To what purpose does it serve to ban people from Live ENTIRELY instead of putting them on permanent silver account status?  I can completely understand banning hacked consoles from multiplayer, but why ban them from the store as well?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL See , that whole thing really pissed me off .
Instead of banning hacked consoles from Live entirely , why not just ban them from having a Gold account and allow them to keep a silver account ?
That way , people with hacked consoles can still pay Microsoft for downloadable games and DLC , yet ca n't " cheat " during multiplayer.To what purpose does it serve to ban people from Live ENTIRELY instead of putting them on permanent silver account status ?
I can completely understand banning hacked consoles from multiplayer , but why ban them from the store as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL See, that whole thing really pissed me off.
Instead of banning hacked consoles from Live entirely, why not just ban them from having a Gold account and allow them to keep a silver account?
That way, people with hacked consoles can still pay Microsoft for downloadable games and DLC, yet can't "cheat" during multiplayer.To what purpose does it serve to ban people from Live ENTIRELY instead of putting them on permanent silver account status?
I can completely understand banning hacked consoles from multiplayer, but why ban them from the store as well?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157576</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266346800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you don't get it. The iPhone without jail-breaking is just a useless brick. With jail-breaking you can install ssh, install mplayer (more video formats supported), and many other useful cydia apps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you do n't get it .
The iPhone without jail-breaking is just a useless brick .
With jail-breaking you can install ssh , install mplayer ( more video formats supported ) , and many other useful cydia apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you don't get it.
The iPhone without jail-breaking is just a useless brick.
With jail-breaking you can install ssh, install mplayer (more video formats supported), and many other useful cydia apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157066</id>
	<title>So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266345060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jail-breaking facilitates piracy</p><p>I could possibly understand if app store apps were at crazy prices or forced you to bend over backwards in order to use them. But the majority of them cost, what, &pound;5? Maybe &pound;7 or &pound;9?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jail-breaking facilitates piracyI could possibly understand if app store apps were at crazy prices or forced you to bend over backwards in order to use them .
But the majority of them cost , what ,   5 ?
Maybe   7 or   9 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jail-breaking facilitates piracyI could possibly understand if app store apps were at crazy prices or forced you to bend over backwards in order to use them.
But the majority of them cost, what, £5?
Maybe £7 or £9?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31165564</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>ps2os2</author>
	<datestamp>1266346800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well we didn't say MS was a paragon of virtue either...</p><p>But to get back to the main point about the HACKS. there doesn't seem to be any good reason not to allow the IPHONE to work on any other network unless it would cause problems. I have yet to hear what problems that it might cause. Mostly speculation.</p><p>Myself I would probably get an IPHONE except AT&amp;T's network sucks major time, almost from A-Z are the reasons.</p><p>BUT, at the same time VERIZONS ads are misleading and I am surprised that AT&amp;T has not come out swinging.</p><p>I guess I would pick any other network than the above 2. If and when IPHONE stops its pettiness people will not opt for it.</p><p>I can sort of understand about any hacking of APPS as I am beginning to wonder when someone is going to have to write an anti virus package for ZUNE. I am hoping that this will not be an issue for IPHONE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well we did n't say MS was a paragon of virtue either...But to get back to the main point about the HACKS .
there does n't seem to be any good reason not to allow the IPHONE to work on any other network unless it would cause problems .
I have yet to hear what problems that it might cause .
Mostly speculation.Myself I would probably get an IPHONE except AT&amp;T 's network sucks major time , almost from A-Z are the reasons.BUT , at the same time VERIZONS ads are misleading and I am surprised that AT&amp;T has not come out swinging.I guess I would pick any other network than the above 2 .
If and when IPHONE stops its pettiness people will not opt for it.I can sort of understand about any hacking of APPS as I am beginning to wonder when someone is going to have to write an anti virus package for ZUNE .
I am hoping that this will not be an issue for IPHONE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well we didn't say MS was a paragon of virtue either...But to get back to the main point about the HACKS.
there doesn't seem to be any good reason not to allow the IPHONE to work on any other network unless it would cause problems.
I have yet to hear what problems that it might cause.
Mostly speculation.Myself I would probably get an IPHONE except AT&amp;T's network sucks major time, almost from A-Z are the reasons.BUT, at the same time VERIZONS ads are misleading and I am surprised that AT&amp;T has not come out swinging.I guess I would pick any other network than the above 2.
If and when IPHONE stops its pettiness people will not opt for it.I can sort of understand about any hacking of APPS as I am beginning to wonder when someone is going to have to write an anti virus package for ZUNE.
I am hoping that this will not be an issue for IPHONE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158098</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Bakkster</author>
	<datestamp>1266348840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>why not just ban them from having a Gold account and allow them to keep a silver account?</p></div><p>If you are going to ban them in the first place (which I absolutely support), why 'allow' them to continue using the free portion of the access?  It's all or nothing in this case: either they are banned or they are not.  Just preventing them from paying for the upgraded service makes no sense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why not just ban them from having a Gold account and allow them to keep a silver account ? If you are going to ban them in the first place ( which I absolutely support ) , why 'allow ' them to continue using the free portion of the access ?
It 's all or nothing in this case : either they are banned or they are not .
Just preventing them from paying for the upgraded service makes no sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why not just ban them from having a Gold account and allow them to keep a silver account?If you are going to ban them in the first place (which I absolutely support), why 'allow' them to continue using the free portion of the access?
It's all or nothing in this case: either they are banned or they are not.
Just preventing them from paying for the upgraded service makes no sense.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158074</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266348780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is very different. When MS bans a hacked console, it means that other players can play without having to worry about somebody they play against cheating (e.g. seeing through walls). However anybody who's banned can just buy a fresh Xbox 360 and play.</p><p>In this case they're banning a person. That means they can't just buy a new iPhone or whatever. Presumably they could make a new user ID, but Apple would eventually figure out who it belongs to and ban the new ID too.</p><p>dom</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is very different .
When MS bans a hacked console , it means that other players can play without having to worry about somebody they play against cheating ( e.g .
seeing through walls ) .
However anybody who 's banned can just buy a fresh Xbox 360 and play.In this case they 're banning a person .
That means they ca n't just buy a new iPhone or whatever .
Presumably they could make a new user ID , but Apple would eventually figure out who it belongs to and ban the new ID too.dom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is very different.
When MS bans a hacked console, it means that other players can play without having to worry about somebody they play against cheating (e.g.
seeing through walls).
However anybody who's banned can just buy a fresh Xbox 360 and play.In this case they're banning a person.
That means they can't just buy a new iPhone or whatever.
Presumably they could make a new user ID, but Apple would eventually figure out who it belongs to and ban the new ID too.dom</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161230</id>
	<title>Well it IS their store</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1266319380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, you can hack your device as you please and give apple the middle finger, but with Itunes they are providing a service, so they set the entrance rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , you can hack your device as you please and give apple the middle finger , but with Itunes they are providing a service , so they set the entrance rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, you can hack your device as you please and give apple the middle finger, but with Itunes they are providing a service, so they set the entrance rules.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158438</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266350040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can listen to music on my iphone and browse the web with out jail breaking it.  Was yours preventing you from doing that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can listen to music on my iphone and browse the web with out jail breaking it .
Was yours preventing you from doing that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can listen to music on my iphone and browse the web with out jail breaking it.
Was yours preventing you from doing that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31160170</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1266314520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are AT&amp;T still refusing to unlock iPhones? Here in the UK, after the O2 exclusive deal ended O2 announced a program that would unlock your iPhone so you could take it to a new network if you wanted. Is it still tied to AT&amp;T in the US?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are AT&amp;T still refusing to unlock iPhones ?
Here in the UK , after the O2 exclusive deal ended O2 announced a program that would unlock your iPhone so you could take it to a new network if you wanted .
Is it still tied to AT&amp;T in the US ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are AT&amp;T still refusing to unlock iPhones?
Here in the UK, after the O2 exclusive deal ended O2 announced a program that would unlock your iPhone so you could take it to a new network if you wanted.
Is it still tied to AT&amp;T in the US?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31162694</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1266327060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL</p></div> </blockquote><p>

Because a banned Xbox can still play 100\% of Xbox games, a banned iphone can install 0\% of approved applications.<br> <br>

In my country, the Xbox banning is OK as the product still works as advertised afterwards, the iphone banning is not OK as the product is no longer as advertised (banned? well there isn't an app for that, NEXT).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL Because a banned Xbox can still play 100 \ % of Xbox games , a banned iphone can install 0 \ % of approved applications .
In my country , the Xbox banning is OK as the product still works as advertised afterwards , the iphone banning is not OK as the product is no longer as advertised ( banned ?
well there is n't an app for that , NEXT ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL 

Because a banned Xbox can still play 100\% of Xbox games, a banned iphone can install 0\% of approved applications.
In my country, the Xbox banning is OK as the product still works as advertised afterwards, the iphone banning is not OK as the product is no longer as advertised (banned?
well there isn't an app for that, NEXT).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31160700</id>
	<title>derp</title>
	<author>Akira Kogami</author>
	<datestamp>1266317100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm seeing the logic here as this: You didn't pay for our software, so we're not going to let you pay for our software.
How exactly does that make sense?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm seeing the logic here as this : You did n't pay for our software , so we 're not going to let you pay for our software .
How exactly does that make sense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm seeing the logic here as this: You didn't pay for our software, so we're not going to let you pay for our software.
How exactly does that make sense?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31160228</id>
	<title>Not to mention a few others</title>
	<author>phorm</author>
	<datestamp>1266314760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like even USING the damn phone on the network of my choice. Mine was network-locked before being hacked, so whenever I upgrade the firmware I need to rehack it to unlock the baseband.<br>Other things that probably *REALLY* piss off apple are awesome apps like Cycorder, I think that initially you had to get a 3Gs to record video (although I believe there's app-store stuff for that now), cycorder worked from day 1.</p><p>Ah well, my Milestone is in the mail. Screw you Apple you're not getting my business anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like even USING the damn phone on the network of my choice .
Mine was network-locked before being hacked , so whenever I upgrade the firmware I need to rehack it to unlock the baseband.Other things that probably * REALLY * piss off apple are awesome apps like Cycorder , I think that initially you had to get a 3Gs to record video ( although I believe there 's app-store stuff for that now ) , cycorder worked from day 1.Ah well , my Milestone is in the mail .
Screw you Apple you 're not getting my business anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like even USING the damn phone on the network of my choice.
Mine was network-locked before being hacked, so whenever I upgrade the firmware I need to rehack it to unlock the baseband.Other things that probably *REALLY* piss off apple are awesome apps like Cycorder, I think that initially you had to get a 3Gs to record video (although I believe there's app-store stuff for that now), cycorder worked from day 1.Ah well, my Milestone is in the mail.
Screw you Apple you're not getting my business anymore.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157054</id>
	<title>I don't believe it</title>
	<author>amorsen</author>
	<datestamp>1266345060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'll need a bit more evidence than 2 cases.</p><p>Anyway, that would be an effective way to encourage people to try out alternate ways to acquire the same software...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll need a bit more evidence than 2 cases.Anyway , that would be an effective way to encourage people to try out alternate ways to acquire the same software.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll need a bit more evidence than 2 cases.Anyway, that would be an effective way to encourage people to try out alternate ways to acquire the same software...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158272</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>ViViDboarder</author>
	<datestamp>1266349440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not.
<br> <br>
I think it's totally in their right to do so...  If I get banned, I'm selling my iPhone and buying a Nexus One and I expect that if Apple drops the Banhammer on the entire jailbreak community we will see a sharp upward spike in Google's Revenue.  Possibly even in the new Windows Phone 7 Series.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not .
I think it 's totally in their right to do so... If I get banned , I 'm selling my iPhone and buying a Nexus One and I expect that if Apple drops the Banhammer on the entire jailbreak community we will see a sharp upward spike in Google 's Revenue .
Possibly even in the new Windows Phone 7 Series .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not.
I think it's totally in their right to do so...  If I get banned, I'm selling my iPhone and buying a Nexus One and I expect that if Apple drops the Banhammer on the entire jailbreak community we will see a sharp upward spike in Google's Revenue.
Possibly even in the new Windows Phone 7 Series.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157308</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266345840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll add my experience:</p><p>I've jailbroken my phone, and I have not placed a single app that was available on the appstore on my phone without purchasing it from the appstore.</p><p>I jailbroke my phone so I could get into the file system of the phone because I absolutely hate using iTunes to get files on and off my device.  I also liked to be able to multitask and not have my preferred music player stop working because I wanted to look up something on the internet.</p><p>In fact, if I couldn't jailbreak my phone I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state, it's a pretty crappy device for my needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll add my experience : I 've jailbroken my phone , and I have not placed a single app that was available on the appstore on my phone without purchasing it from the appstore.I jailbroke my phone so I could get into the file system of the phone because I absolutely hate using iTunes to get files on and off my device .
I also liked to be able to multitask and not have my preferred music player stop working because I wanted to look up something on the internet.In fact , if I could n't jailbreak my phone I would n't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state , it 's a pretty crappy device for my needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll add my experience:I've jailbroken my phone, and I have not placed a single app that was available on the appstore on my phone without purchasing it from the appstore.I jailbroke my phone so I could get into the file system of the phone because I absolutely hate using iTunes to get files on and off my device.
I also liked to be able to multitask and not have my preferred music player stop working because I wanted to look up something on the internet.In fact, if I couldn't jailbreak my phone I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state, it's a pretty crappy device for my needs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157152</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1266345300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your comment that you don't believe it made me chuckle. WHY don't you believe it? This seems to me to be precisely the kind of thing that Apple would try and get away with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your comment that you do n't believe it made me chuckle .
WHY do n't you believe it ?
This seems to me to be precisely the kind of thing that Apple would try and get away with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your comment that you don't believe it made me chuckle.
WHY don't you believe it?
This seems to me to be precisely the kind of thing that Apple would try and get away with.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157512</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266346560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are mistaking his statement that he doesn't believe it for a statement that he believes it to be not true. All he is saying is that 2 cases are insufficient to draw a conclusion from. There are too many reasons why any one person might possibly be banned from Itunes to assume that the one thing (we know of) that two people who have been banned have in common is the reason they have been banned. <br>
On the other hand it is entirely consistent with previous Apple behavior, so it may be true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are mistaking his statement that he does n't believe it for a statement that he believes it to be not true .
All he is saying is that 2 cases are insufficient to draw a conclusion from .
There are too many reasons why any one person might possibly be banned from Itunes to assume that the one thing ( we know of ) that two people who have been banned have in common is the reason they have been banned .
On the other hand it is entirely consistent with previous Apple behavior , so it may be true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are mistaking his statement that he doesn't believe it for a statement that he believes it to be not true.
All he is saying is that 2 cases are insufficient to draw a conclusion from.
There are too many reasons why any one person might possibly be banned from Itunes to assume that the one thing (we know of) that two people who have been banned have in common is the reason they have been banned.
On the other hand it is entirely consistent with previous Apple behavior, so it may be true.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157344</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>scubamage</author>
	<datestamp>1266345960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I agree that jailbreaking could potentially facilitate piracy, you're missing one major flaw with your theory. The app store is the primary/only *legitimate* source for iphone applications. By banning the users, they force them to resort to piracy for applications, since they have no alternate way to purchase them. I do however wonder what the US government has to say about this, since punishing users for jailbreaking is what the legislation about locking a device so a single network was designed to prevent. You have to jailbreak to use TMobile. So are all tmobile users going to be prevented from using the app store?</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree that jailbreaking could potentially facilitate piracy , you 're missing one major flaw with your theory .
The app store is the primary/only * legitimate * source for iphone applications .
By banning the users , they force them to resort to piracy for applications , since they have no alternate way to purchase them .
I do however wonder what the US government has to say about this , since punishing users for jailbreaking is what the legislation about locking a device so a single network was designed to prevent .
You have to jailbreak to use TMobile .
So are all tmobile users going to be prevented from using the app store ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree that jailbreaking could potentially facilitate piracy, you're missing one major flaw with your theory.
The app store is the primary/only *legitimate* source for iphone applications.
By banning the users, they force them to resort to piracy for applications, since they have no alternate way to purchase them.
I do however wonder what the US government has to say about this, since punishing users for jailbreaking is what the legislation about locking a device so a single network was designed to prevent.
You have to jailbreak to use TMobile.
So are all tmobile users going to be prevented from using the app store?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157494</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>s73v3r</author>
	<datestamp>1266346500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if the iPhone had those (and it does have tethering, just not in the US<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( ), there probably still would be jailbreaking, simply because people love to tinker with their gadgets. Hell, I remember hearing about some small, handheld IM client device, and people were hacking it to expose the full Linux functionality beneath it. Its a little texting device, aimed at little girls, and people were hacking it. So jailbreaking might not be as prevalent, and might not be as useful if it had those things you mentioned, but it'd still happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if the iPhone had those ( and it does have tethering , just not in the US : ( ) , there probably still would be jailbreaking , simply because people love to tinker with their gadgets .
Hell , I remember hearing about some small , handheld IM client device , and people were hacking it to expose the full Linux functionality beneath it .
Its a little texting device , aimed at little girls , and people were hacking it .
So jailbreaking might not be as prevalent , and might not be as useful if it had those things you mentioned , but it 'd still happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if the iPhone had those (and it does have tethering, just not in the US :( ), there probably still would be jailbreaking, simply because people love to tinker with their gadgets.
Hell, I remember hearing about some small, handheld IM client device, and people were hacking it to expose the full Linux functionality beneath it.
Its a little texting device, aimed at little girls, and people were hacking it.
So jailbreaking might not be as prevalent, and might not be as useful if it had those things you mentioned, but it'd still happen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161774</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266322080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Jail breaking exists because there is a demand for features that apple refuses to provide. Easy examples: Flash, multitasking, tethering.</p><p>I'm an apple hater, someone who doesn't even have an iphone, and even I know this.</p></div><p>FYI
</p><ul>
<li>Flash: not made for mobile devices because it lacks hardware support. See firefox for maemo, or 1 FPS flash on HTC Hero.</li><li>Multitasking: 80\% less battery life. Push notification: 20\% less.</li><li>Tethering: Not allowed by carriers because their networks are not able to cope. See AT&amp;T on NY.</li></ul><p>
Apple is doing right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jail breaking exists because there is a demand for features that apple refuses to provide .
Easy examples : Flash , multitasking , tethering.I 'm an apple hater , someone who does n't even have an iphone , and even I know this.FYI Flash : not made for mobile devices because it lacks hardware support .
See firefox for maemo , or 1 FPS flash on HTC Hero.Multitasking : 80 \ % less battery life .
Push notification : 20 \ % less.Tethering : Not allowed by carriers because their networks are not able to cope .
See AT&amp;T on NY .
Apple is doing right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jail breaking exists because there is a demand for features that apple refuses to provide.
Easy examples: Flash, multitasking, tethering.I'm an apple hater, someone who doesn't even have an iphone, and even I know this.FYI

Flash: not made for mobile devices because it lacks hardware support.
See firefox for maemo, or 1 FPS flash on HTC Hero.Multitasking: 80\% less battery life.
Push notification: 20\% less.Tethering: Not allowed by carriers because their networks are not able to cope.
See AT&amp;T on NY.
Apple is doing right.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158436</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>psydeshow</author>
	<datestamp>1266350040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not *cheating*. It's just life. The only reason my iPhone has a jailbreak is so that I can use it with a T-Mobile SIM. Aside from patching the baseband so that the phone isn't locked to AT&amp;T (and this is long after my two-year commitment to that provider has expired) I don't install any software from outside of the iTunes ecosystem.</p><p>So what possible reason could Apple have for forcing me to use unpatched firmware on my own, well-out-of-contract device?</p><p>None. And there's a large enough class of other iPhone owners in a similar situation to ensure that if they ever do, their lawyers will be pretty busy for a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not * cheating * .
It 's just life .
The only reason my iPhone has a jailbreak is so that I can use it with a T-Mobile SIM .
Aside from patching the baseband so that the phone is n't locked to AT&amp;T ( and this is long after my two-year commitment to that provider has expired ) I do n't install any software from outside of the iTunes ecosystem.So what possible reason could Apple have for forcing me to use unpatched firmware on my own , well-out-of-contract device ? None .
And there 's a large enough class of other iPhone owners in a similar situation to ensure that if they ever do , their lawyers will be pretty busy for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not *cheating*.
It's just life.
The only reason my iPhone has a jailbreak is so that I can use it with a T-Mobile SIM.
Aside from patching the baseband so that the phone isn't locked to AT&amp;T (and this is long after my two-year commitment to that provider has expired) I don't install any software from outside of the iTunes ecosystem.So what possible reason could Apple have for forcing me to use unpatched firmware on my own, well-out-of-contract device?None.
And there's a large enough class of other iPhone owners in a similar situation to ensure that if they ever do, their lawyers will be pretty busy for a while.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158904</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266351900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.</p></div><p>Exactly. I rob banks because, even as a customer, they're not giving me what I want, which is free money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , there would n't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.Exactly .
I rob banks because , even as a customer , they 're not giving me what I want , which is free money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.Exactly.
I rob banks because, even as a customer, they're not giving me what I want, which is free money.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157422</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>pushing-robot</author>
	<datestamp>1266346200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But the majority of them cost, what, &pound;5? Maybe &pound;7 or &pound;9?</p></div><p>More like &pound;1.</p><p>From Apple's point of view, jailbreaking is a means of piracy and exploiting AT&amp;T's bandwidth for things like tethering, and a possible vector for attack.</p><p>From free software advocates' point of view, jailbreaking is the freedom to install software that Apple/AT&amp;T wouldn't approve.</p><p>From everyone else's point of view, it's a non-issue.</p><p>I can definitely relate to those who'd like to run any code they want on their phone, but IMHO they should really just cough up the money for a dev license.  $99 isn't that much if you're already spending $1000/year for service.</p><p>On the other hand, I can't see how Apple or anyone else would benefit by blocking jailbreakers from App Store.  Maybe Apple canceled their developer accounts, which are attached to Apple IDs, and blocking the App Store was just a side effect.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the majority of them cost , what ,   5 ?
Maybe   7 or   9 ? More like   1.From Apple 's point of view , jailbreaking is a means of piracy and exploiting AT&amp;T 's bandwidth for things like tethering , and a possible vector for attack.From free software advocates ' point of view , jailbreaking is the freedom to install software that Apple/AT&amp;T would n't approve.From everyone else 's point of view , it 's a non-issue.I can definitely relate to those who 'd like to run any code they want on their phone , but IMHO they should really just cough up the money for a dev license .
$ 99 is n't that much if you 're already spending $ 1000/year for service.On the other hand , I ca n't see how Apple or anyone else would benefit by blocking jailbreakers from App Store .
Maybe Apple canceled their developer accounts , which are attached to Apple IDs , and blocking the App Store was just a side effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the majority of them cost, what, £5?
Maybe £7 or £9?More like £1.From Apple's point of view, jailbreaking is a means of piracy and exploiting AT&amp;T's bandwidth for things like tethering, and a possible vector for attack.From free software advocates' point of view, jailbreaking is the freedom to install software that Apple/AT&amp;T wouldn't approve.From everyone else's point of view, it's a non-issue.I can definitely relate to those who'd like to run any code they want on their phone, but IMHO they should really just cough up the money for a dev license.
$99 isn't that much if you're already spending $1000/year for service.On the other hand, I can't see how Apple or anyone else would benefit by blocking jailbreakers from App Store.
Maybe Apple canceled their developer accounts, which are attached to Apple IDs, and blocking the App Store was just a side effect.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31161462</id>
	<title>So where is the tool?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1266320460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of us accidentally upgraded ours and would like to get our hands on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of us accidentally upgraded ours and would like to get our hands on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of us accidentally upgraded ours and would like to get our hands on it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31158228</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>ashridah</author>
	<datestamp>1266349200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except they didn't ban the people. they banned the hardware from live, since it's untrustworthy. The people still have their gold status, and can sign in on another unhacked console, and use xbox live the way they always did.</p><p>Putting people on silver status would involve taking away a service they paid for. The fact that the device they were using is no longer considered kosher to use to access that service is a related, but seperatable issue. They still have all of the stuff they owned, and can use it on another console if they transfer the rights to that console. MS didn't steal money from them.</p><p>Personally, if I was going to mod an xbox, I'd have a second, unmodified one for normal usage nearby. Anyone who decided to take the risk also has the old owner onus applicable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they did n't ban the people .
they banned the hardware from live , since it 's untrustworthy .
The people still have their gold status , and can sign in on another unhacked console , and use xbox live the way they always did.Putting people on silver status would involve taking away a service they paid for .
The fact that the device they were using is no longer considered kosher to use to access that service is a related , but seperatable issue .
They still have all of the stuff they owned , and can use it on another console if they transfer the rights to that console .
MS did n't steal money from them.Personally , if I was going to mod an xbox , I 'd have a second , unmodified one for normal usage nearby .
Anyone who decided to take the risk also has the old owner onus applicable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they didn't ban the people.
they banned the hardware from live, since it's untrustworthy.
The people still have their gold status, and can sign in on another unhacked console, and use xbox live the way they always did.Putting people on silver status would involve taking away a service they paid for.
The fact that the device they were using is no longer considered kosher to use to access that service is a related, but seperatable issue.
They still have all of the stuff they owned, and can use it on another console if they transfer the rights to that console.
MS didn't steal money from them.Personally, if I was going to mod an xbox, I'd have a second, unmodified one for normal usage nearby.
Anyone who decided to take the risk also has the old owner onus applicable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31159566</id>
	<title>Re:So they should</title>
	<author>Rufty</author>
	<datestamp>1266311940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I jailbroke my iPhone so I could use a bluetooth keyboard...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I jailbroke my iPhone so I could use a bluetooth keyboard.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I jailbroke my iPhone so I could use a bluetooth keyboard...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_160241.31157408</id>
	<title>Re:I don't believe it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266346140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see any problem with it.  I'm no Apple supporteer, but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.<br> <br>If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules.  Don't like the rules, don't use the service.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any problem with it .
I 'm no Apple supporteer , but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers .
If you want to use a service , you have to play by that service 's rules .
Do n't like the rules , do n't use the service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any problem with it.
I'm no Apple supporteer, but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.
If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules.
Don't like the rules, don't use the service.</sentencetext>
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