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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_16_1454246</id>
	<title>Quality Concerns For Kingston microSD Cards</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1266335940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Andrew "bunnie" Huang, whom we've discussed before for his book on Xbox hacking and development of the Chumby, has made an interesting blog post about problems he's found with Kingston microSD cards. He first encountered a batch of bad cards during production of the ChumbyOne, and found Kingston initially unhelpful when trying to get them replaced. After noticing some unusual markings on the chips, he decided to investigate for himself, comparing the ID data and <a href="http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918">dissolving the cards' casings with nitric acid to take a look inside</a>. He found that each of his Kingston-branded samples actually had a Toshiba/SanDisk memory chip inside, and that the batch of low-quality cards he received may not be as uncommon as he thought.
<i>"Significantly, Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging. Every Kingston card surprisingly had a SanDisk/Toshiba  memory chip inside, and the only variance or 'value add' that could be found is in the selection of the controller chip. ... This tells me that Kingston must be crushed when it comes to margin, which may explain why irregular cards are finding their way into their supply chain. Kingston is also probably more willing to talk to smaller accounts like me because as a channel brand they can't compete against OEMs like Sandisk or Samsung for the biggest contracts from the likes of Nokia or RIMM. Effectively, Kingston is just a channel trader and is probably seen by SanDisk/Toshiba as a demand buffer for their production output. I also wouldn't be surprised if SanDisk/Toshiba was selling Kingston 'A-' grade parts, i.e., parts with slightly more defective sectors, but otherwise perfectly serviceable. As a result, Kingston plays a significant and important role in stabilizing microSD card prices and improving fab margins, but at some risk to their own brand image."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Andrew " bunnie " Huang , whom we 've discussed before for his book on Xbox hacking and development of the Chumby , has made an interesting blog post about problems he 's found with Kingston microSD cards .
He first encountered a batch of bad cards during production of the ChumbyOne , and found Kingston initially unhelpful when trying to get them replaced .
After noticing some unusual markings on the chips , he decided to investigate for himself , comparing the ID data and dissolving the cards ' casings with nitric acid to take a look inside .
He found that each of his Kingston-branded samples actually had a Toshiba/SanDisk memory chip inside , and that the batch of low-quality cards he received may not be as uncommon as he thought .
" Significantly , Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people 's chips in its own packaging .
Every Kingston card surprisingly had a SanDisk/Toshiba memory chip inside , and the only variance or 'value add ' that could be found is in the selection of the controller chip .
... This tells me that Kingston must be crushed when it comes to margin , which may explain why irregular cards are finding their way into their supply chain .
Kingston is also probably more willing to talk to smaller accounts like me because as a channel brand they ca n't compete against OEMs like Sandisk or Samsung for the biggest contracts from the likes of Nokia or RIMM .
Effectively , Kingston is just a channel trader and is probably seen by SanDisk/Toshiba as a demand buffer for their production output .
I also would n't be surprised if SanDisk/Toshiba was selling Kingston 'A- ' grade parts , i.e. , parts with slightly more defective sectors , but otherwise perfectly serviceable .
As a result , Kingston plays a significant and important role in stabilizing microSD card prices and improving fab margins , but at some risk to their own brand image .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Andrew "bunnie" Huang, whom we've discussed before for his book on Xbox hacking and development of the Chumby, has made an interesting blog post about problems he's found with Kingston microSD cards.
He first encountered a batch of bad cards during production of the ChumbyOne, and found Kingston initially unhelpful when trying to get them replaced.
After noticing some unusual markings on the chips, he decided to investigate for himself, comparing the ID data and dissolving the cards' casings with nitric acid to take a look inside.
He found that each of his Kingston-branded samples actually had a Toshiba/SanDisk memory chip inside, and that the batch of low-quality cards he received may not be as uncommon as he thought.
"Significantly, Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging.
Every Kingston card surprisingly had a SanDisk/Toshiba  memory chip inside, and the only variance or 'value add' that could be found is in the selection of the controller chip.
... This tells me that Kingston must be crushed when it comes to margin, which may explain why irregular cards are finding their way into their supply chain.
Kingston is also probably more willing to talk to smaller accounts like me because as a channel brand they can't compete against OEMs like Sandisk or Samsung for the biggest contracts from the likes of Nokia or RIMM.
Effectively, Kingston is just a channel trader and is probably seen by SanDisk/Toshiba as a demand buffer for their production output.
I also wouldn't be surprised if SanDisk/Toshiba was selling Kingston 'A-' grade parts, i.e., parts with slightly more defective sectors, but otherwise perfectly serviceable.
As a result, Kingston plays a significant and important role in stabilizing microSD card prices and improving fab margins, but at some risk to their own brand image.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31160706</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory XKCD</title>
	<author>AceJohnny</author>
	<datestamp>1266317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA already included that very XKCD. Its cultural embrace extends...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA already included that very XKCD .
Its cultural embrace extends.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA already included that very XKCD.
Its cultural embrace extends...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31160384</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>jjbenz</author>
	<datestamp>1266315480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've run into this as well with Dell 740 computers with built in (4 in 1) card readers. Our network drive letters start with J: and they
sometimes cause problems when they stick a couple sandisk usb drives in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've run into this as well with Dell 740 computers with built in ( 4 in 1 ) card readers .
Our network drive letters start with J : and they sometimes cause problems when they stick a couple sandisk usb drives in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've run into this as well with Dell 740 computers with built in (4 in 1) card readers.
Our network drive letters start with J: and they
sometimes cause problems when they stick a couple sandisk usb drives in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156308</id>
	<title>Sad</title>
	<author>rm999</author>
	<datestamp>1266342420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recall when i built my first computer in 2000 that Kingston was a reliable brand at a reasonable price. Back in those pre-newegg days, buying computer parts was like the wild west, so brand was very important. The last memory card I bought from Kingston was cheap, but it stopped working within a few months. I read reviews of the card and realized it wasn't a fluke; Kingston had sold out.</p><p>I always find it sad when a company that I perceived as dependable and trustworthy sells out. I can understand why it happens: the CEO, in an effort to boost profits, cuts costs and loosens standards, effectively selling their brand name/good will for short-term profits. The CEO looks great; people are buying just as many of the product, but the margins are higher. By the time consumers realize the brand is now worth less (or even worthless), the CEO has cashed his bonus checks and can retire or move to another company.</p><p>I'm hoping that Toyota is bringing visibility to this problem. The extra profits Toyota made whoring out its brand will pale in comparison to its losses. Kingston is fortunate to be in an industry where brand name is no longer as important as turning up on the front page of slickdeals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recall when i built my first computer in 2000 that Kingston was a reliable brand at a reasonable price .
Back in those pre-newegg days , buying computer parts was like the wild west , so brand was very important .
The last memory card I bought from Kingston was cheap , but it stopped working within a few months .
I read reviews of the card and realized it was n't a fluke ; Kingston had sold out.I always find it sad when a company that I perceived as dependable and trustworthy sells out .
I can understand why it happens : the CEO , in an effort to boost profits , cuts costs and loosens standards , effectively selling their brand name/good will for short-term profits .
The CEO looks great ; people are buying just as many of the product , but the margins are higher .
By the time consumers realize the brand is now worth less ( or even worthless ) , the CEO has cashed his bonus checks and can retire or move to another company.I 'm hoping that Toyota is bringing visibility to this problem .
The extra profits Toyota made whoring out its brand will pale in comparison to its losses .
Kingston is fortunate to be in an industry where brand name is no longer as important as turning up on the front page of slickdeals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recall when i built my first computer in 2000 that Kingston was a reliable brand at a reasonable price.
Back in those pre-newegg days, buying computer parts was like the wild west, so brand was very important.
The last memory card I bought from Kingston was cheap, but it stopped working within a few months.
I read reviews of the card and realized it wasn't a fluke; Kingston had sold out.I always find it sad when a company that I perceived as dependable and trustworthy sells out.
I can understand why it happens: the CEO, in an effort to boost profits, cuts costs and loosens standards, effectively selling their brand name/good will for short-term profits.
The CEO looks great; people are buying just as many of the product, but the margins are higher.
By the time consumers realize the brand is now worth less (or even worthless), the CEO has cashed his bonus checks and can retire or move to another company.I'm hoping that Toyota is bringing visibility to this problem.
The extra profits Toyota made whoring out its brand will pale in comparison to its losses.
Kingston is fortunate to be in an industry where brand name is no longer as important as turning up on the front page of slickdeals.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31164734</id>
	<title>You don't know Flash</title>
	<author>movercast</author>
	<datestamp>1266341160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quality control is very important to anyone who wants repeat business.  Any modern 300mm flash fab worth's is silicon will perform at least the following tests.</p><p>1.  Wafer level tests inline between mask steps<br>2.  Wafer level tests after completed processing.  Chips are usually either changed into MLC or SLC at this step.  If any repairs are needed they are completed here (by using built in redundancy).<br>3.  Select wafers are sent on for additional testing to verify cycling and to monitor for mean time between failure shifts.<br>4.  After die are cut and packaged repeat tests above to ensure the packaging process didn't jack up the wafer.</p><p>The worst case scenario in all of this is to have a customer begin to complain about issues w/ your chips.  That means your probe scheme either didn't catch the issue or the issue matters now because of another issue and their combined result means death.</p><p>After you have identified the issue then its long road to find that at your first implant level was jacked because a tech ignored a tool error on a batch of 125 wafers and sent them on w/o any documentation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quality control is very important to anyone who wants repeat business .
Any modern 300mm flash fab worth 's is silicon will perform at least the following tests.1 .
Wafer level tests inline between mask steps2 .
Wafer level tests after completed processing .
Chips are usually either changed into MLC or SLC at this step .
If any repairs are needed they are completed here ( by using built in redundancy ) .3 .
Select wafers are sent on for additional testing to verify cycling and to monitor for mean time between failure shifts.4 .
After die are cut and packaged repeat tests above to ensure the packaging process did n't jack up the wafer.The worst case scenario in all of this is to have a customer begin to complain about issues w/ your chips .
That means your probe scheme either did n't catch the issue or the issue matters now because of another issue and their combined result means death.After you have identified the issue then its long road to find that at your first implant level was jacked because a tech ignored a tool error on a batch of 125 wafers and sent them on w/o any documentation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quality control is very important to anyone who wants repeat business.
Any modern 300mm flash fab worth's is silicon will perform at least the following tests.1.
Wafer level tests inline between mask steps2.
Wafer level tests after completed processing.
Chips are usually either changed into MLC or SLC at this step.
If any repairs are needed they are completed here (by using built in redundancy).3.
Select wafers are sent on for additional testing to verify cycling and to monitor for mean time between failure shifts.4.
After die are cut and packaged repeat tests above to ensure the packaging process didn't jack up the wafer.The worst case scenario in all of this is to have a customer begin to complain about issues w/ your chips.
That means your probe scheme either didn't catch the issue or the issue matters now because of another issue and their combined result means death.After you have identified the issue then its long road to find that at your first implant level was jacked because a tech ignored a tool error on a batch of 125 wafers and sent them on w/o any documentation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155908</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As kingston card usually are much cheaper than equivalent Sandisk cards, would it really be a quality issue using sandisk chips?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As kingston card usually are much cheaper than equivalent Sandisk cards , would it really be a quality issue using sandisk chips ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As kingston card usually are much cheaper than equivalent Sandisk cards, would it really be a quality issue using sandisk chips?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31159462</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a warranty expert, but...</title>
	<author>alexandre\_ganso</author>
	<datestamp>1266311400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RTFA. He gave the thousands of chips back to them, and then went to the black market to find similar ones. He didn't even dissolved the problematic ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA .
He gave the thousands of chips back to them , and then went to the black market to find similar ones .
He did n't even dissolved the problematic ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA.
He gave the thousands of chips back to them, and then went to the black market to find similar ones.
He didn't even dissolved the problematic ones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31161314</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1266319800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; You are a moron:</p><p>At least I'm not a rude asshole...<br>oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; You are a moron : At least I 'm not a rude asshole...oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; You are a moron:At least I'm not a rude asshole...oh wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158190</id>
	<title>Kingston ADVERTISED this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266349140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I once read a Kingston advertisement in German reseller magazine "ComputerPartner" (now ChannelPartner).It showed a Kingston sticker and asked "How much is that sticker worth to you?". It's the whole point that Kingston was a spot market reseller plus QA. They made a POINT of that their customers pay for the sticker. Bunnie (with all his cred, and hey, he's a mate of Tarnovsky) should know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I once read a Kingston advertisement in German reseller magazine " ComputerPartner " ( now ChannelPartner ) .It showed a Kingston sticker and asked " How much is that sticker worth to you ? " .
It 's the whole point that Kingston was a spot market reseller plus QA .
They made a POINT of that their customers pay for the sticker .
Bunnie ( with all his cred , and hey , he 's a mate of Tarnovsky ) should know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once read a Kingston advertisement in German reseller magazine "ComputerPartner" (now ChannelPartner).It showed a Kingston sticker and asked "How much is that sticker worth to you?".
It's the whole point that Kingston was a spot market reseller plus QA.
They made a POINT of that their customers pay for the sticker.
Bunnie (with all his cred, and hey, he's a mate of Tarnovsky) should know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156978</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1266344760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the other thing to remember is that while this batch had Sandisk parts, another batch with the same product markings might have some other brand, and it might be a better or worse brand as long as it meets the Kingston supplier specs.  ValueRAM indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the other thing to remember is that while this batch had Sandisk parts , another batch with the same product markings might have some other brand , and it might be a better or worse brand as long as it meets the Kingston supplier specs .
ValueRAM indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the other thing to remember is that while this batch had Sandisk parts, another batch with the same product markings might have some other brand, and it might be a better or worse brand as long as it meets the Kingston supplier specs.
ValueRAM indeed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157026</id>
	<title>Re:All that from a few open chips, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266344940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure that this guy found the two only ones in existence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that this guy found the two only ones in existence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that this guy found the two only ones in existence.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Slashdotted</title>
	<author>Yuioup</author>
	<datestamp>1266340560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0</p><p>Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/usr/www/users/xenatera/bunniestudios/blog/index.php' (include\_path='.:/usr/local/lib/php') in Unknown on line 0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Warning : Unknown : failed to open stream : Permission denied in Unknown on line 0Fatal error : Unknown : Failed opening required '/usr/www/users/xenatera/bunniestudios/blog/index.php ' ( include \ _path = ' .
: /usr/local/lib/php ' ) in Unknown on line 0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/usr/www/users/xenatera/bunniestudios/blog/index.php' (include\_path='.
:/usr/local/lib/php') in Unknown on line 0</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155958</id>
	<title>Re:This just in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the new kenmore's are made by LG<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the new kenmore 's are made by LG ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the new kenmore's are made by LG ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155922</id>
	<title>Obligatory XKCD</title>
	<author>bennomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1266340320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://xkcd.com/691/" title="xkcd.com">http://xkcd.com/691/</a> [xkcd.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //xkcd.com/691/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://xkcd.com/691/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156098</id>
	<title>Re:All that from a few open chips, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266341280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is, arguably, additionally significant that the Kingston reps went from "Nope, we're not taking them back, you already programmed them, your problem..." to "Oh, goodness no, they definitely aren't fakes; but, um, yeah, we'll replace them for you..." when Bunnie presented his results.<br> <br>

Bunnie definitely knows his stuff hardware wise and(having been Chumby's man-on-the-ground for outsourced Chinese production for a while now) probably knows a thing or two about the dark corners of the supply chain; but his sample size is kind of small, and he could certainly be wrong in this case.<br> <br>

The fact that the vendor folded like a cheap card table when he presented his conclusion, though, makes me rather more inclined to trust it.<br> <br>

(Incidentally, isn't it kind of amazing that slapping a full 32-bit ARM core, with flash controller firmware, onto a flash chip is as cheap as simply testing the flash chip? Having been born early enough to see the tail end of the days when an 8086 box was a several-thousand-substantially-less-inflated-dollars device, that kind of blows my mind.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is , arguably , additionally significant that the Kingston reps went from " Nope , we 're not taking them back , you already programmed them , your problem... " to " Oh , goodness no , they definitely are n't fakes ; but , um , yeah , we 'll replace them for you... " when Bunnie presented his results .
Bunnie definitely knows his stuff hardware wise and ( having been Chumby 's man-on-the-ground for outsourced Chinese production for a while now ) probably knows a thing or two about the dark corners of the supply chain ; but his sample size is kind of small , and he could certainly be wrong in this case .
The fact that the vendor folded like a cheap card table when he presented his conclusion , though , makes me rather more inclined to trust it .
( Incidentally , is n't it kind of amazing that slapping a full 32-bit ARM core , with flash controller firmware , onto a flash chip is as cheap as simply testing the flash chip ?
Having been born early enough to see the tail end of the days when an 8086 box was a several-thousand-substantially-less-inflated-dollars device , that kind of blows my mind .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is, arguably, additionally significant that the Kingston reps went from "Nope, we're not taking them back, you already programmed them, your problem..." to "Oh, goodness no, they definitely aren't fakes; but, um, yeah, we'll replace them for you..." when Bunnie presented his results.
Bunnie definitely knows his stuff hardware wise and(having been Chumby's man-on-the-ground for outsourced Chinese production for a while now) probably knows a thing or two about the dark corners of the supply chain; but his sample size is kind of small, and he could certainly be wrong in this case.
The fact that the vendor folded like a cheap card table when he presented his conclusion, though, makes me rather more inclined to trust it.
(Incidentally, isn't it kind of amazing that slapping a full 32-bit ARM core, with flash controller firmware, onto a flash chip is as cheap as simply testing the flash chip?
Having been born early enough to see the tail end of the days when an 8086 box was a several-thousand-substantially-less-inflated-dollars device, that kind of blows my mind.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155934</id>
	<title>Nothing New Here - It's Common</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The re-purchase of silicon at many levels is a pretty common thing. Somebody comes out with a good memory chip and the world buys wafers of the chip from the other vendor. Or in a final package, or pays for their name on the outside of the package.</p><p>I have had several experiences with foundries taking a design, fabricating it for me, and then 6 months to a year later a "sister organization" comes out with a chip that looks pretty bloody similar. Then, when you do a tear-down of the competitor's chip (nitric acid and a microscope) and you find your design inside the thing. Lawsuit time if you can, but what usually happens is some form of licensing agreement.</p><p>What I would question here is what testing of the chip was done after it was assembled. Test time costs a lot of money to do, and anything that can be done to reduce that is a common strategy. Sometimes they do "blind package assembly" (no testing at the wafer level) and do testing just after final assembly.</p><p>In this case it sounds like they are doing blind assembly, and shipping out with no final test either. A shoddy way to cut costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The re-purchase of silicon at many levels is a pretty common thing .
Somebody comes out with a good memory chip and the world buys wafers of the chip from the other vendor .
Or in a final package , or pays for their name on the outside of the package.I have had several experiences with foundries taking a design , fabricating it for me , and then 6 months to a year later a " sister organization " comes out with a chip that looks pretty bloody similar .
Then , when you do a tear-down of the competitor 's chip ( nitric acid and a microscope ) and you find your design inside the thing .
Lawsuit time if you can , but what usually happens is some form of licensing agreement.What I would question here is what testing of the chip was done after it was assembled .
Test time costs a lot of money to do , and anything that can be done to reduce that is a common strategy .
Sometimes they do " blind package assembly " ( no testing at the wafer level ) and do testing just after final assembly.In this case it sounds like they are doing blind assembly , and shipping out with no final test either .
A shoddy way to cut costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The re-purchase of silicon at many levels is a pretty common thing.
Somebody comes out with a good memory chip and the world buys wafers of the chip from the other vendor.
Or in a final package, or pays for their name on the outside of the package.I have had several experiences with foundries taking a design, fabricating it for me, and then 6 months to a year later a "sister organization" comes out with a chip that looks pretty bloody similar.
Then, when you do a tear-down of the competitor's chip (nitric acid and a microscope) and you find your design inside the thing.
Lawsuit time if you can, but what usually happens is some form of licensing agreement.What I would question here is what testing of the chip was done after it was assembled.
Test time costs a lot of money to do, and anything that can be done to reduce that is a common strategy.
Sometimes they do "blind package assembly" (no testing at the wafer level) and do testing just after final assembly.In this case it sounds like they are doing blind assembly, and shipping out with no final test either.
A shoddy way to cut costs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158178</id>
	<title>Re:Kingston never made memory</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1266349080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mushkin DDR2 didn't work with my last two motherboards. I ended up trying OCZ XTC Platinum Rev2, Crucial Ballistix, and Kingston ValueRAM. Those three worked fine in both. Right now I'm using Corsair XMS.</p><p>@Sexconker: This Corsair stuff is only rated at 1.8v. Heatspreaders spread heat, which helps if one chip is slightly weaker than the others. You also have to factor in that every single memory operation won't be spread between all 8 chips on a DIMM. It might even be possible to have a relatively high throughput program(like a video encoder) running off a single RAM chip, heating up just that one. (or two if you have two DIMMs) I don't know too much about memory allocation, but slapping a cheap chunk of metal on it seems like a good way to solve it, which doesn't involve any OS overhead.</p><p>P.S. I love rebates when combined with pricematching. One site will have a $30 rebate, on a $70 PSU, but another site has that PSU for $50. Pricematch, and you end up with a $20 Corsair VX450.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mushkin DDR2 did n't work with my last two motherboards .
I ended up trying OCZ XTC Platinum Rev2 , Crucial Ballistix , and Kingston ValueRAM .
Those three worked fine in both .
Right now I 'm using Corsair XMS .
@ Sexconker : This Corsair stuff is only rated at 1.8v .
Heatspreaders spread heat , which helps if one chip is slightly weaker than the others .
You also have to factor in that every single memory operation wo n't be spread between all 8 chips on a DIMM .
It might even be possible to have a relatively high throughput program ( like a video encoder ) running off a single RAM chip , heating up just that one .
( or two if you have two DIMMs ) I do n't know too much about memory allocation , but slapping a cheap chunk of metal on it seems like a good way to solve it , which does n't involve any OS overhead.P.S .
I love rebates when combined with pricematching .
One site will have a $ 30 rebate , on a $ 70 PSU , but another site has that PSU for $ 50 .
Pricematch , and you end up with a $ 20 Corsair VX450 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mushkin DDR2 didn't work with my last two motherboards.
I ended up trying OCZ XTC Platinum Rev2, Crucial Ballistix, and Kingston ValueRAM.
Those three worked fine in both.
Right now I'm using Corsair XMS.
@Sexconker: This Corsair stuff is only rated at 1.8v.
Heatspreaders spread heat, which helps if one chip is slightly weaker than the others.
You also have to factor in that every single memory operation won't be spread between all 8 chips on a DIMM.
It might even be possible to have a relatively high throughput program(like a video encoder) running off a single RAM chip, heating up just that one.
(or two if you have two DIMMs) I don't know too much about memory allocation, but slapping a cheap chunk of metal on it seems like a good way to solve it, which doesn't involve any OS overhead.P.S.
I love rebates when combined with pricematching.
One site will have a $30 rebate, on a $70 PSU, but another site has that PSU for $50.
Pricematch, and you end up with a $20 Corsair VX450.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157670</id>
	<title>chips</title>
	<author>Eric Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266347220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't RTFA because it seems to be slashdotted, but what on earth led Mr. Huang to think that Kingston made their own chips?  There are only a few companies that make NAND flash chips, Sandisk and Toshiba among them, and ALL of the other vendors of flash memory cards have to buy from those few companies.  The same is true of DRAM; Kingston DIMMs use other vendors' DDR memory chips.
<p>
The fact that Kingston was using chips from Sandisk and Toshiba would normally make me MORE inclined to buy Kingston cards, as usually the quality of Sandisk and Toshiba chips is quite good, though it doesn't explain why he's having trouble with them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't RTFA because it seems to be slashdotted , but what on earth led Mr. Huang to think that Kingston made their own chips ?
There are only a few companies that make NAND flash chips , Sandisk and Toshiba among them , and ALL of the other vendors of flash memory cards have to buy from those few companies .
The same is true of DRAM ; Kingston DIMMs use other vendors ' DDR memory chips .
The fact that Kingston was using chips from Sandisk and Toshiba would normally make me MORE inclined to buy Kingston cards , as usually the quality of Sandisk and Toshiba chips is quite good , though it does n't explain why he 's having trouble with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't RTFA because it seems to be slashdotted, but what on earth led Mr. Huang to think that Kingston made their own chips?
There are only a few companies that make NAND flash chips, Sandisk and Toshiba among them, and ALL of the other vendors of flash memory cards have to buy from those few companies.
The same is true of DRAM; Kingston DIMMs use other vendors' DDR memory chips.
The fact that Kingston was using chips from Sandisk and Toshiba would normally make me MORE inclined to buy Kingston cards, as usually the quality of Sandisk and Toshiba chips is quite good, though it doesn't explain why he's having trouble with them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155938</id>
	<title>NAND is getting worse and worse</title>
	<author>YesIAmAScript</author>
	<datestamp>1266340380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's becoming highly unreliable. Advances in error correction are plugging some of the holes, but you can expect to start to see real problems soon, especially with cheap brands where they don't up their controller quality (the controller has the ECC) to compensate for the low-grade NAND they buy.</p><p>As to Bunnie, I was pretty sure he'd been around the block already. Of course Kingston just repackages other people's NAND chips. There's only something like 7 manufacturers of NAND, and even that counts Intel and Micron separately even though they both sell the same designs every time. What did Bunnie think was in iPhones and XBox 360s? Apple and Microsoft don't make NAND either!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's becoming highly unreliable .
Advances in error correction are plugging some of the holes , but you can expect to start to see real problems soon , especially with cheap brands where they do n't up their controller quality ( the controller has the ECC ) to compensate for the low-grade NAND they buy.As to Bunnie , I was pretty sure he 'd been around the block already .
Of course Kingston just repackages other people 's NAND chips .
There 's only something like 7 manufacturers of NAND , and even that counts Intel and Micron separately even though they both sell the same designs every time .
What did Bunnie think was in iPhones and XBox 360s ?
Apple and Microsoft do n't make NAND either !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's becoming highly unreliable.
Advances in error correction are plugging some of the holes, but you can expect to start to see real problems soon, especially with cheap brands where they don't up their controller quality (the controller has the ECC) to compensate for the low-grade NAND they buy.As to Bunnie, I was pretty sure he'd been around the block already.
Of course Kingston just repackages other people's NAND chips.
There's only something like 7 manufacturers of NAND, and even that counts Intel and Micron separately even though they both sell the same designs every time.
What did Bunnie think was in iPhones and XBox 360s?
Apple and Microsoft don't make NAND either!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158944</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>networkBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1266352140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>get the U3 uninstaller from their site.<br>It will re-format the disk and permanently remove the face cd-rom drive.<br>Or you can do what I did and hack it to change people's desktop when they "borrow" your key and plug it into their machine (since windows sees it as a cd-rom it will execute the autorun, unlike on a USB device.)<br>-nB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>get the U3 uninstaller from their site.It will re-format the disk and permanently remove the face cd-rom drive.Or you can do what I did and hack it to change people 's desktop when they " borrow " your key and plug it into their machine ( since windows sees it as a cd-rom it will execute the autorun , unlike on a USB device .
) -nB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get the U3 uninstaller from their site.It will re-format the disk and permanently remove the face cd-rom drive.Or you can do what I did and hack it to change people's desktop when they "borrow" your key and plug it into their machine (since windows sees it as a cd-rom it will execute the autorun, unlike on a USB device.
)-nB</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155906</id>
	<title>Oh dear!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linky no worky... maybe the database was stored on a Kingston MicroSD card...?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linky no worky... maybe the database was stored on a Kingston MicroSD card... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linky no worky... maybe the database was stored on a Kingston MicroSD card...?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155914</id>
	<title>This just in</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1266340320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers. This is news how? Are we supposed to be impressed by this guys over analysis of what everybody already knew went on?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers .
This is news how ?
Are we supposed to be impressed by this guys over analysis of what everybody already knew went on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers.
This is news how?
Are we supposed to be impressed by this guys over analysis of what everybody already knew went on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156346</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1266342600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your description suggests that you have been bitten by "<a href="http://www.u3.com/" title="u3.com">U3</a> [u3.com]". It is, indeed, a thoroughly vile technology, of which Sandisk(among others) is inordinately fond. It essentially does nothing that <a href="http://portableapps.com/" title="portableapps.com">http://portableapps.com/</a> [portableapps.com] can't; but with infinitely more suck.<br> <br>

After sufficient user outcry they, at long last, provided a (proprietary, Windows only) uninstaller for this "valuable feature". I'd still encourage you to punish Sandisk for their sins by withholding future purchases; but the uninstaller should at least make the stuff you already own suck a little less.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your description suggests that you have been bitten by " U3 [ u3.com ] " .
It is , indeed , a thoroughly vile technology , of which Sandisk ( among others ) is inordinately fond .
It essentially does nothing that http : //portableapps.com/ [ portableapps.com ] ca n't ; but with infinitely more suck .
After sufficient user outcry they , at long last , provided a ( proprietary , Windows only ) uninstaller for this " valuable feature " .
I 'd still encourage you to punish Sandisk for their sins by withholding future purchases ; but the uninstaller should at least make the stuff you already own suck a little less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your description suggests that you have been bitten by "U3 [u3.com]".
It is, indeed, a thoroughly vile technology, of which Sandisk(among others) is inordinately fond.
It essentially does nothing that http://portableapps.com/ [portableapps.com] can't; but with infinitely more suck.
After sufficient user outcry they, at long last, provided a (proprietary, Windows only) uninstaller for this "valuable feature".
I'd still encourage you to punish Sandisk for their sins by withholding future purchases; but the uninstaller should at least make the stuff you already own suck a little less.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31166436</id>
	<title>Re:This just in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265017320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it will affect the way I look at Kingston from on. Not the fact they re-brand etc but for this quote "found Kingston initially unhelpful when trying to get them replaced"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it will affect the way I look at Kingston from on .
Not the fact they re-brand etc but for this quote " found Kingston initially unhelpful when trying to get them replaced "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it will affect the way I look at Kingston from on.
Not the fact they re-brand etc but for this quote "found Kingston initially unhelpful when trying to get them replaced"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31162082</id>
	<title>save the environment (or the economy or something)</title>
	<author>slew</author>
	<datestamp>1266323760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, for all those folks getting upity about what is essentially a common business practice (reselling products to relablers on the spot market which possibly include reselling factory seconds), what do you think should be done with excess inventory, and/or functional, but not perfect products?</p><p>1. Bury them in a land-fill<br>2. Spend even more energy, money, and resources to recycle the raw materials and build yet another widget.<br>3. Sell them to relabelers to salvage the manufacturing value</p><p>Seems to me that #3 is the way to go to me.  It recovers the most value from the resources that the manufacturing process consumed and thus probably is the best economical and environmental choice.  Sure the products may or may not be of the best quality, but then again, you probably didn't pay a premium for them either.</p><p>In a non-utopian society, there are multiple value points that address the needs of consumers.  Not every one needs "perfect" and not everyone can afford "perfect", but just because it's isn't perfect, it don't mean that a product can't meet someone's needs at that price point.  Just the other day, I was shopping in an outlet store for a large department store where they resell returned and/or slighly damaged merchandise at over a 50\% discount.  As an example, they had a $6000 bedset for $895, but no returns were allowed.  Okay, so maybe I can afford the $6000 bed, but maybe it's really only worth $895 to me.  But for someone else, maybe they have $200 to spend and they get a bed that normally was priced at $800. As long as we know what we're buying, seems like this is a win-win for both parties.</p><p>It doesn't seem either economical or environmental to just scrap it if it isn't perfect to avoid offending anyone sensibilities?  Basically this is not that different than craigslist at a corporate level.  Instead of the initial customer deciding that it doesn't have economic value anymore to keep/use, the company is just deciding it doesn't have economic value to keep and/or sell through normal sales channels.</p><p>I guess these same folks just want us to cut down more trees and making more plastic parts dig up and burn more coal and fill more landfills.  I suppose we could do that too, but some folks seem to be on both sides of the fence here and there's some congnitive disconnect going on with these lines of thinking.  Maybe those folks just irrationally hate corporations and use any excuse to feed this cognitive disconnect between economic efficiency and environmental efficiency...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , for all those folks getting upity about what is essentially a common business practice ( reselling products to relablers on the spot market which possibly include reselling factory seconds ) , what do you think should be done with excess inventory , and/or functional , but not perfect products ? 1 .
Bury them in a land-fill2 .
Spend even more energy , money , and resources to recycle the raw materials and build yet another widget.3 .
Sell them to relabelers to salvage the manufacturing valueSeems to me that # 3 is the way to go to me .
It recovers the most value from the resources that the manufacturing process consumed and thus probably is the best economical and environmental choice .
Sure the products may or may not be of the best quality , but then again , you probably did n't pay a premium for them either.In a non-utopian society , there are multiple value points that address the needs of consumers .
Not every one needs " perfect " and not everyone can afford " perfect " , but just because it 's is n't perfect , it do n't mean that a product ca n't meet someone 's needs at that price point .
Just the other day , I was shopping in an outlet store for a large department store where they resell returned and/or slighly damaged merchandise at over a 50 \ % discount .
As an example , they had a $ 6000 bedset for $ 895 , but no returns were allowed .
Okay , so maybe I can afford the $ 6000 bed , but maybe it 's really only worth $ 895 to me .
But for someone else , maybe they have $ 200 to spend and they get a bed that normally was priced at $ 800 .
As long as we know what we 're buying , seems like this is a win-win for both parties.It does n't seem either economical or environmental to just scrap it if it is n't perfect to avoid offending anyone sensibilities ?
Basically this is not that different than craigslist at a corporate level .
Instead of the initial customer deciding that it does n't have economic value anymore to keep/use , the company is just deciding it does n't have economic value to keep and/or sell through normal sales channels.I guess these same folks just want us to cut down more trees and making more plastic parts dig up and burn more coal and fill more landfills .
I suppose we could do that too , but some folks seem to be on both sides of the fence here and there 's some congnitive disconnect going on with these lines of thinking .
Maybe those folks just irrationally hate corporations and use any excuse to feed this cognitive disconnect between economic efficiency and environmental efficiency.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, for all those folks getting upity about what is essentially a common business practice (reselling products to relablers on the spot market which possibly include reselling factory seconds), what do you think should be done with excess inventory, and/or functional, but not perfect products?1.
Bury them in a land-fill2.
Spend even more energy, money, and resources to recycle the raw materials and build yet another widget.3.
Sell them to relabelers to salvage the manufacturing valueSeems to me that #3 is the way to go to me.
It recovers the most value from the resources that the manufacturing process consumed and thus probably is the best economical and environmental choice.
Sure the products may or may not be of the best quality, but then again, you probably didn't pay a premium for them either.In a non-utopian society, there are multiple value points that address the needs of consumers.
Not every one needs "perfect" and not everyone can afford "perfect", but just because it's isn't perfect, it don't mean that a product can't meet someone's needs at that price point.
Just the other day, I was shopping in an outlet store for a large department store where they resell returned and/or slighly damaged merchandise at over a 50\% discount.
As an example, they had a $6000 bedset for $895, but no returns were allowed.
Okay, so maybe I can afford the $6000 bed, but maybe it's really only worth $895 to me.
But for someone else, maybe they have $200 to spend and they get a bed that normally was priced at $800.
As long as we know what we're buying, seems like this is a win-win for both parties.It doesn't seem either economical or environmental to just scrap it if it isn't perfect to avoid offending anyone sensibilities?
Basically this is not that different than craigslist at a corporate level.
Instead of the initial customer deciding that it doesn't have economic value anymore to keep/use, the company is just deciding it doesn't have economic value to keep and/or sell through normal sales channels.I guess these same folks just want us to cut down more trees and making more plastic parts dig up and burn more coal and fill more landfills.
I suppose we could do that too, but some folks seem to be on both sides of the fence here and there's some congnitive disconnect going on with these lines of thinking.
Maybe those folks just irrationally hate corporations and use any excuse to feed this cognitive disconnect between economic efficiency and environmental efficiency...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156480</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1266343080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea...."</p><p>That surprises me.  U3-enabled drives get HEAVILY marketed as such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It does n't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea.... " That surprises me .
U3-enabled drives get HEAVILY marketed as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea...."That surprises me.
U3-enabled drives get HEAVILY marketed as such.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157126</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>bigdaisy</author>
	<datestamp>1266345240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you take a look at Kingston's "Alliances" page, you can see that they make memory modules that are sold under other brand names such as "Toshiba". The information is scant, but it sounds like for some Toshiba modules, Toshiba supply the wafer and Kingston chop it up and package it into memory modules that are sold under the Toshiba brand. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Toshiba would sell "Toshiba" modules assembled by Kingston using memory supplied by, say, Samsung.</p><p>It all boils down to whether or not you can expect the module to die sooner rather than later and whether or not you'll get your money back if it does. Some brands are better than others in this respect and, yes, "you get what you pay for," most of the time. Who makes the chips and who puts them together is anyone's guess these days. The same product could have different chips from different manufacturers in it depending on the batch. It is not worth worrying about...as long as you keep backups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you take a look at Kingston 's " Alliances " page , you can see that they make memory modules that are sold under other brand names such as " Toshiba " .
The information is scant , but it sounds like for some Toshiba modules , Toshiba supply the wafer and Kingston chop it up and package it into memory modules that are sold under the Toshiba brand .
It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Toshiba would sell " Toshiba " modules assembled by Kingston using memory supplied by , say , Samsung.It all boils down to whether or not you can expect the module to die sooner rather than later and whether or not you 'll get your money back if it does .
Some brands are better than others in this respect and , yes , " you get what you pay for , " most of the time .
Who makes the chips and who puts them together is anyone 's guess these days .
The same product could have different chips from different manufacturers in it depending on the batch .
It is not worth worrying about...as long as you keep backups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you take a look at Kingston's "Alliances" page, you can see that they make memory modules that are sold under other brand names such as "Toshiba".
The information is scant, but it sounds like for some Toshiba modules, Toshiba supply the wafer and Kingston chop it up and package it into memory modules that are sold under the Toshiba brand.
It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Toshiba would sell "Toshiba" modules assembled by Kingston using memory supplied by, say, Samsung.It all boils down to whether or not you can expect the module to die sooner rather than later and whether or not you'll get your money back if it does.
Some brands are better than others in this respect and, yes, "you get what you pay for," most of the time.
Who makes the chips and who puts them together is anyone's guess these days.
The same product could have different chips from different manufacturers in it depending on the batch.
It is not worth worrying about...as long as you keep backups.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155980</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1266340560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its probably a surprise to a lot of people who dont investigate brands or dont understand why Kingston flash fails more often than other flash.  Every so often we need to be reminded that "you get what you pay for" still works.  Everytime I go to a deal site, I see Kingston RAM or flash on sale.  I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuff, but sometimes I'll pick some up for an application that doesnt need the best parts like disposable USB drives or RAM for a htpc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its probably a surprise to a lot of people who dont investigate brands or dont understand why Kingston flash fails more often than other flash .
Every so often we need to be reminded that " you get what you pay for " still works .
Everytime I go to a deal site , I see Kingston RAM or flash on sale .
I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuff , but sometimes I 'll pick some up for an application that doesnt need the best parts like disposable USB drives or RAM for a htpc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its probably a surprise to a lot of people who dont investigate brands or dont understand why Kingston flash fails more often than other flash.
Every so often we need to be reminded that "you get what you pay for" still works.
Everytime I go to a deal site, I see Kingston RAM or flash on sale.
I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuff, but sometimes I'll pick some up for an application that doesnt need the best parts like disposable USB drives or RAM for a htpc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156302</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>DarkOx</author>
	<datestamp>1266342420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not ROM just a partition; if you don't like just go into computer management and remove it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not ROM just a partition ; if you do n't like just go into computer management and remove it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not ROM just a partition; if you don't like just go into computer management and remove it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156684</id>
	<title>Re:This just in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266343800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers.</p><p>It doesnt stop there!</p><p>Your wife is really a man named Todd in drag.<br>Your Saturn coupe is really a Buick sedan with a slick paintjob.<br>Your artificial heart is really a 1974 pool pump.<br>Your premium dog food is just low quality Senior Chow.<br>Your apple pie is really "Industrial Apple Taste #64" with some HFCS.<br>Your idea of love is really some hormones and neurons going off.<br>Your college is really just an expensive adult daycare.<br>Your grandpa was really a drifter named "Smitty" who killed your real grandpa.</p><p>Sorry to hear about your grandpa.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers.It doesnt stop there ! Your wife is really a man named Todd in drag.Your Saturn coupe is really a Buick sedan with a slick paintjob.Your artificial heart is really a 1974 pool pump.Your premium dog food is just low quality Senior Chow.Your apple pie is really " Industrial Apple Taste # 64 " with some HFCS.Your idea of love is really some hormones and neurons going off.Your college is really just an expensive adult daycare.Your grandpa was really a drifter named " Smitty " who killed your real grandpa.Sorry to hear about your grandpa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers.It doesnt stop there!Your wife is really a man named Todd in drag.Your Saturn coupe is really a Buick sedan with a slick paintjob.Your artificial heart is really a 1974 pool pump.Your premium dog food is just low quality Senior Chow.Your apple pie is really "Industrial Apple Taste #64" with some HFCS.Your idea of love is really some hormones and neurons going off.Your college is really just an expensive adult daycare.Your grandpa was really a drifter named "Smitty" who killed your real grandpa.Sorry to hear about your grandpa.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158522</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdotted</title>
	<author>alexandre\_ganso</author>
	<datestamp>1266350400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just open <a href="http://www.bunniestudios.com/" title="bunniestudios.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bunniestudios.com/</a> [bunniestudios.com] and it will work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just open http : //www.bunniestudios.com/ [ bunniestudios.com ] and it will work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just open http://www.bunniestudios.com/ [bunniestudios.com] and it will work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156260</id>
	<title>Re:This just in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266342180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers. This is news how? Are we supposed to be impressed by this guys over analysis of what everybody already knew went on?</p></div><p>Not completely true. Kenmore's a motley collection of various manufacturers. primarily Whirlpool, but also Maytag (not Whirlpool), GE, Electrolux (Frigidaire), and apparently now LG.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers .
This is news how ?
Are we supposed to be impressed by this guys over analysis of what everybody already knew went on ? Not completely true .
Kenmore 's a motley collection of various manufacturers .
primarily Whirlpool , but also Maytag ( not Whirlpool ) , GE , Electrolux ( Frigidaire ) , and apparently now LG .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your Kenmore dishwasher is really a Whirlpool and Kirkland jeans are Wranglers.
This is news how?
Are we supposed to be impressed by this guys over analysis of what everybody already knew went on?Not completely true.
Kenmore's a motley collection of various manufacturers.
primarily Whirlpool, but also Maytag (not Whirlpool), GE, Electrolux (Frigidaire), and apparently now LG.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157014</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory XKCD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266344880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>XKCD is never obligatory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>XKCD is never obligatory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XKCD is never obligatory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158536</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266350460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or go to u3-tool.sourceforge.net for an even better tool that works on Windows and Linux (and possibly other un*x OSes with libusb).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or go to u3-tool.sourceforge.net for an even better tool that works on Windows and Linux ( and possibly other un * x OSes with libusb ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or go to u3-tool.sourceforge.net for an even better tool that works on Windows and Linux (and possibly other un*x OSes with libusb).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31171396</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory XKCD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265047140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I hear you're still a virgin too eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I hear you 're still a virgin too eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I hear you're still a virgin too eh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156282</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>compro01</author>
	<datestamp>1266342300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing you are referring to is the "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U3" title="wikipedia.org">U3</a> [wikipedia.org]" system.  It's a portable apps-ish thing.</p><p>It's easy to remove with their tool.</p><p><a href="http://apac.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1415" title="sandisk.com">http://apac.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1415</a> [sandisk.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing you are referring to is the " U3 [ wikipedia.org ] " system .
It 's a portable apps-ish thing.It 's easy to remove with their tool.http : //apac.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx ? CatID = 1415 [ sandisk.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing you are referring to is the "U3 [wikipedia.org]" system.
It's a portable apps-ish thing.It's easy to remove with their tool.http://apac.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1415 [sandisk.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156344</id>
	<title>Re:NAND is getting worse and worse</title>
	<author>Temkin</author>
	<datestamp>1266342600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> you can expect to start to see real problems soon,</p></div><p>Soon?  I've had so many Kingston thumb drives fail, I've stopped buying the brand. I have an NSLU2 hiding in a closet running on a thumb drive that's been running for years.  It ate a Kingston thumb drive in a matter of weeks...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>you can expect to start to see real problems soon,Soon ?
I 've had so many Kingston thumb drives fail , I 've stopped buying the brand .
I have an NSLU2 hiding in a closet running on a thumb drive that 's been running for years .
It ate a Kingston thumb drive in a matter of weeks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> you can expect to start to see real problems soon,Soon?
I've had so many Kingston thumb drives fail, I've stopped buying the brand.
I have an NSLU2 hiding in a closet running on a thumb drive that's been running for years.
It ate a Kingston thumb drive in a matter of weeks...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156138</id>
	<title>Re:This just in</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1266341460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Went looking for the information that that you assume everyone knows.</p><p>I guess that since everyone does know that may explain why you can't find a list of who makes generic versions of what.</p><p>You may find it for specific items like the ones you listed, and you usually learn this while in the store comparing different models and different brands.  Outside of the store that information is hard to come by.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Went looking for the information that that you assume everyone knows.I guess that since everyone does know that may explain why you ca n't find a list of who makes generic versions of what.You may find it for specific items like the ones you listed , and you usually learn this while in the store comparing different models and different brands .
Outside of the store that information is hard to come by .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Went looking for the information that that you assume everyone knows.I guess that since everyone does know that may explain why you can't find a list of who makes generic versions of what.You may find it for specific items like the ones you listed, and you usually learn this while in the store comparing different models and different brands.
Outside of the store that information is hard to come by.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155914</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156300</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266342420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes it is annoying.</p><p>Here is the uninstall program<br><a href="http://u3.com/support/default.aspx#CQ3" title="u3.com" rel="nofollow">http://u3.com/support/default.aspx#CQ3</a> [u3.com]</p><p>The idea is cool but useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes it is annoying.Here is the uninstall programhttp : //u3.com/support/default.aspx # CQ3 [ u3.com ] The idea is cool but useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes it is annoying.Here is the uninstall programhttp://u3.com/support/default.aspx#CQ3 [u3.com]The idea is cool but useless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156176</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156924</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266344580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Everytime I go to a deal site, I see Kingston RAM or flash on sale.  I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuff, but sometimes I'll pick some up for an application that doesnt need the best parts like disposable USB drives or RAM for a htpc.</p></div><p>You're under the impression that the other RAM or flash drives you buy are not rebranded?  There are very few companies in the world that make DRAM in quantity: samsung, hynix, toshiba, and elpida. Similarly for NAND flash, it is only made by samsung, hynix, toshiba-sandisk, and intel-micron. Unless you're buying one of these directly, you are purchasing rebranded products.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everytime I go to a deal site , I see Kingston RAM or flash on sale .
I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuff , but sometimes I 'll pick some up for an application that doesnt need the best parts like disposable USB drives or RAM for a htpc.You 're under the impression that the other RAM or flash drives you buy are not rebranded ?
There are very few companies in the world that make DRAM in quantity : samsung , hynix , toshiba , and elpida .
Similarly for NAND flash , it is only made by samsung , hynix , toshiba-sandisk , and intel-micron .
Unless you 're buying one of these directly , you are purchasing rebranded products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everytime I go to a deal site, I see Kingston RAM or flash on sale.
I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuff, but sometimes I'll pick some up for an application that doesnt need the best parts like disposable USB drives or RAM for a htpc.You're under the impression that the other RAM or flash drives you buy are not rebranded?
There are very few companies in the world that make DRAM in quantity: samsung, hynix, toshiba, and elpida.
Similarly for NAND flash, it is only made by samsung, hynix, toshiba-sandisk, and intel-micron.
Unless you're buying one of these directly, you are purchasing rebranded products.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158478</id>
	<title>sinclair electronics</title>
	<author>speculatrix</author>
	<datestamp>1266350220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>those of us, and I'm showing my age, who've been around for a long time may remember how Sinclair Electronics started up? Basically he'd buy up batches of transistors (remember them?) which had failed batch testing, and retest individual ones so he could keep those which worked sufficiently well. That gave him a better margin on his electronic kits, but also caused him problems when components would fail prematurely.
<br>
<br>
or at least that's the legend around here in Cambridge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>those of us , and I 'm showing my age , who 've been around for a long time may remember how Sinclair Electronics started up ?
Basically he 'd buy up batches of transistors ( remember them ?
) which had failed batch testing , and retest individual ones so he could keep those which worked sufficiently well .
That gave him a better margin on his electronic kits , but also caused him problems when components would fail prematurely .
or at least that 's the legend around here in Cambridge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>those of us, and I'm showing my age, who've been around for a long time may remember how Sinclair Electronics started up?
Basically he'd buy up batches of transistors (remember them?
) which had failed batch testing, and retest individual ones so he could keep those which worked sufficiently well.
That gave him a better margin on his electronic kits, but also caused him problems when components would fail prematurely.
or at least that's the legend around here in Cambridge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156280</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266342300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.<br>It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....</p><p>When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives. The first drive is a small read-only drive (presumably a rom) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in. You can't disable or hide this drive at all. The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (which was always a crappy idea anyway). The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.</p><p>Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that:<br>a) just assumes you must be using windows.<br>b) Under widnows, the lower drive letter is the ROM, not the user space.<br>c) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.</p></div><p>You are a moron:</p><p>A:  The work fine in every OS I've ever tried them with</p><p>B:  You are worried about the drive letter enumeration here?  are you kidding me?</p><p>C:  Windows auto installs the drivers.  Not SanDisk</p><p>D:  The U3 feature can easily be turned off so the drive looks like any other cheaper flash drives.</p><p>you sir need to RTFM before tou bitch about how bad something is you have no business commenting on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.It does n't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives .
The first drive is a small read-only drive ( presumably a rom ) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in .
You ca n't disable or hide this drive at all .
The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows ( which was always a crappy idea anyway ) .
The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that : a ) just assumes you must be using windows.b ) Under widnows , the lower drive letter is the ROM , not the user space.c ) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.You are a moron : A : The work fine in every OS I 've ever tried them withB : You are worried about the drive letter enumeration here ?
are you kidding me ? C : Windows auto installs the drivers .
Not SanDiskD : The U3 feature can easily be turned off so the drive looks like any other cheaper flash drives.you sir need to RTFM before tou bitch about how bad something is you have no business commenting on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives.
The first drive is a small read-only drive (presumably a rom) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in.
You can't disable or hide this drive at all.
The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (which was always a crappy idea anyway).
The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that:a) just assumes you must be using windows.b) Under widnows, the lower drive letter is the ROM, not the user space.c) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.You are a moron:A:  The work fine in every OS I've ever tried them withB:  You are worried about the drive letter enumeration here?
are you kidding me?C:  Windows auto installs the drivers.
Not SanDiskD:  The U3 feature can easily be turned off so the drive looks like any other cheaper flash drives.you sir need to RTFM before tou bitch about how bad something is you have no business commenting on.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155834</id>
	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>duncanFrance</author>
	<datestamp>1266339780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Significantly, Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging"</p><p>And that is a surprise because? Of course that's what Kingston does - they don't own any fabs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Significantly , Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people 's chips in its own packaging " And that is a surprise because ?
Of course that 's what Kingston does - they do n't own any fabs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Significantly, Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging"And that is a surprise because?
Of course that's what Kingston does - they don't own any fabs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156402</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1266342780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Significantly, Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging"</p><p>And that is a surprise because? Of course that's what Kingston does - they don't own any fabs.</p></div><p>Oh please.<br>Next you're gonna tell my my DVD drive isn't made by Sony, or that my Apple RAM isn't made by Apple!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Significantly , Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people 's chips in its own packaging " And that is a surprise because ?
Of course that 's what Kingston does - they do n't own any fabs.Oh please.Next you 're gon na tell my my DVD drive is n't made by Sony , or that my Apple RAM is n't made by Apple !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Significantly, Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging"And that is a surprise because?
Of course that's what Kingston does - they don't own any fabs.Oh please.Next you're gonna tell my my DVD drive isn't made by Sony, or that my Apple RAM isn't made by Apple!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155902</id>
	<title>rtfm?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why is this news?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why is this news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why is this news?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157588</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1266346860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Several years ago, I bought a used 2-gig U3 Cruzer Micro from a friend.  The software annoyed me, so I Googled it and removed it.  It required a download from Sandisk, but was a very trouble-free process.</p><p>Not too long after, I filled that one up.  I bought an 8-gig version of the same thing (I like the form factor).  Removing/disabling U3 on that one was dead simple:  It was in the menu built into the system.</p><p>I like these drives just fine.  I carry one everywhere, hanging on my keyring off of a belt loop.  It gets thrown, stepped on, washed, dried, and abused on a regular basis, and never fails.</p><p>But anyway, your annoyances, in your order:</p><p>a)  So what?  That's the market.  Would it really displease you less if it were some gee-whiz multiplatform thing that worked on every device with a USB port, or would you then just complain about the fact that it's too expensive and consumes too much space?  Or perhaps you'd prefer that hardware companies stop adding features to their devices to differentiate them from their competition?</p><p>b)  So, fix it.  You're bold enough to concoct legitimate complaints about technical things, but too big of a sissy to be bothered with rearranging drive letters?  (Personally, I think the larger abomination here is that anyone is still using drive letters at all...)</p><p>c)  It does not install anything; Windows does.  U3 devices just appear to the OS as a USB hub.  Connected to that hub, is a CD-ROM drive and some flash storage.  After that, <i>Windows</i> sees this pile of newly-connected hardware and just tries to load drivers for it, just as it would with anything else USB or other hot-pluggable bus.  In the case of U3, it succeeds, since Windows already has drivers for these sorts of devices built-in out-of-the-box.  (An Ubuntu machine will undergo similar gyrations when presented with a U3 device; it's just quieter about the loading process.)  And all of this is for one reason:  To allow it to autorun on Windows XP, not to unleash some sort of bizarre and new evil unto the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several years ago , I bought a used 2-gig U3 Cruzer Micro from a friend .
The software annoyed me , so I Googled it and removed it .
It required a download from Sandisk , but was a very trouble-free process.Not too long after , I filled that one up .
I bought an 8-gig version of the same thing ( I like the form factor ) .
Removing/disabling U3 on that one was dead simple : It was in the menu built into the system.I like these drives just fine .
I carry one everywhere , hanging on my keyring off of a belt loop .
It gets thrown , stepped on , washed , dried , and abused on a regular basis , and never fails.But anyway , your annoyances , in your order : a ) So what ?
That 's the market .
Would it really displease you less if it were some gee-whiz multiplatform thing that worked on every device with a USB port , or would you then just complain about the fact that it 's too expensive and consumes too much space ?
Or perhaps you 'd prefer that hardware companies stop adding features to their devices to differentiate them from their competition ? b ) So , fix it .
You 're bold enough to concoct legitimate complaints about technical things , but too big of a sissy to be bothered with rearranging drive letters ?
( Personally , I think the larger abomination here is that anyone is still using drive letters at all... ) c ) It does not install anything ; Windows does .
U3 devices just appear to the OS as a USB hub .
Connected to that hub , is a CD-ROM drive and some flash storage .
After that , Windows sees this pile of newly-connected hardware and just tries to load drivers for it , just as it would with anything else USB or other hot-pluggable bus .
In the case of U3 , it succeeds , since Windows already has drivers for these sorts of devices built-in out-of-the-box .
( An Ubuntu machine will undergo similar gyrations when presented with a U3 device ; it 's just quieter about the loading process .
) And all of this is for one reason : To allow it to autorun on Windows XP , not to unleash some sort of bizarre and new evil unto the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several years ago, I bought a used 2-gig U3 Cruzer Micro from a friend.
The software annoyed me, so I Googled it and removed it.
It required a download from Sandisk, but was a very trouble-free process.Not too long after, I filled that one up.
I bought an 8-gig version of the same thing (I like the form factor).
Removing/disabling U3 on that one was dead simple:  It was in the menu built into the system.I like these drives just fine.
I carry one everywhere, hanging on my keyring off of a belt loop.
It gets thrown, stepped on, washed, dried, and abused on a regular basis, and never fails.But anyway, your annoyances, in your order:a)  So what?
That's the market.
Would it really displease you less if it were some gee-whiz multiplatform thing that worked on every device with a USB port, or would you then just complain about the fact that it's too expensive and consumes too much space?
Or perhaps you'd prefer that hardware companies stop adding features to their devices to differentiate them from their competition?b)  So, fix it.
You're bold enough to concoct legitimate complaints about technical things, but too big of a sissy to be bothered with rearranging drive letters?
(Personally, I think the larger abomination here is that anyone is still using drive letters at all...)c)  It does not install anything; Windows does.
U3 devices just appear to the OS as a USB hub.
Connected to that hub, is a CD-ROM drive and some flash storage.
After that, Windows sees this pile of newly-connected hardware and just tries to load drivers for it, just as it would with anything else USB or other hot-pluggable bus.
In the case of U3, it succeeds, since Windows already has drivers for these sorts of devices built-in out-of-the-box.
(An Ubuntu machine will undergo similar gyrations when presented with a U3 device; it's just quieter about the loading process.
)  And all of this is for one reason:  To allow it to autorun on Windows XP, not to unleash some sort of bizarre and new evil unto the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156566</id>
	<title>Um,</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1266343440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging"</p><p>Since when is this news?  Isn't this known as Kingston's business model since forever?</p><p>At least I've never known any different.  I just trusted them to have better than average quality product, execpt for high-end desktop or notebook memory, where they were merely average.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people 's chips in its own packaging " Since when is this news ?
Is n't this known as Kingston 's business model since forever ? At least I 've never known any different .
I just trusted them to have better than average quality product , execpt for high-end desktop or notebook memory , where they were merely average .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Kingston is revealed as simply a vendor that re-marks other people's chips in its own packaging"Since when is this news?
Isn't this known as Kingston's business model since forever?At least I've never known any different.
I just trusted them to have better than average quality product, execpt for high-end desktop or notebook memory, where they were merely average.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156164</id>
	<title>Kingston never made memory</title>
	<author>GuyFawkes</author>
	<datestamp>1266341580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All they ever were was a slick rebranding excercise, with a useful online tool to select the correct memory if you were a dumbass.</p><p>If you're going to buy rebranded memory at least do so from someone who puts quality first, eg Mushkin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All they ever were was a slick rebranding excercise , with a useful online tool to select the correct memory if you were a dumbass.If you 're going to buy rebranded memory at least do so from someone who puts quality first , eg Mushkin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they ever were was a slick rebranding excercise, with a useful online tool to select the correct memory if you were a dumbass.If you're going to buy rebranded memory at least do so from someone who puts quality first, eg Mushkin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155828</id>
	<title>All that from a few open chips, eh?</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1266339720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a lot of conjecture based on only two pieces of evidence. That'll never put OJ away, Marcia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a lot of conjecture based on only two pieces of evidence .
That 'll never put OJ away , Marcia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a lot of conjecture based on only two pieces of evidence.
That'll never put OJ away, Marcia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158434</id>
	<title>Re:This just in</title>
	<author>alexandre\_ganso</author>
	<datestamp>1266350040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the world's jeans were made by a single manufacturer, called Santista some years ago. Dunno how that changed with the chinese getting into this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the world 's jeans were made by a single manufacturer , called Santista some years ago .
Dunno how that changed with the chinese getting into this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the world's jeans were made by a single manufacturer, called Santista some years ago.
Dunno how that changed with the chinese getting into this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31158182</id>
	<title>How to view the device details?</title>
	<author>PetiePooo</author>
	<datestamp>1266349140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In TFA, he describes viewing the device's serial number by using Linux's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sys directory.  Does anyone have details on how to do that?  I've viewed the USB adapter's info by using lsusb -vs : but don't know how to view the actual microSD device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In TFA , he describes viewing the device 's serial number by using Linux 's /sys directory .
Does anyone have details on how to do that ?
I 've viewed the USB adapter 's info by using lsusb -vs : but do n't know how to view the actual microSD device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In TFA, he describes viewing the device's serial number by using Linux's /sys directory.
Does anyone have details on how to do that?
I've viewed the USB adapter's info by using lsusb -vs : but don't know how to view the actual microSD device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156258</id>
	<title>This is just a nasty hit piece</title>
	<author>TheMiddleRoad</author>
	<datestamp>1266342180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, they use other companies' chips because they don't have a fab.  Most companies don't have a fab.  They buy from whomever is cheapest, manufacture it, and ship it.  Sorry they had a bad batch and had poor customer service, but that's par for the course nowadays.  Did you stop buying WD and Seagate drives because they had bad batches?  They sure as hell did, as did every other manufacturer.</p><p>So I look at this post and see it as a hit piece.  Why is slashdot even posting it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , they use other companies ' chips because they do n't have a fab .
Most companies do n't have a fab .
They buy from whomever is cheapest , manufacture it , and ship it .
Sorry they had a bad batch and had poor customer service , but that 's par for the course nowadays .
Did you stop buying WD and Seagate drives because they had bad batches ?
They sure as hell did , as did every other manufacturer.So I look at this post and see it as a hit piece .
Why is slashdot even posting it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, they use other companies' chips because they don't have a fab.
Most companies don't have a fab.
They buy from whomever is cheapest, manufacture it, and ship it.
Sorry they had a bad batch and had poor customer service, but that's par for the course nowadays.
Did you stop buying WD and Seagate drives because they had bad batches?
They sure as hell did, as did every other manufacturer.So I look at this post and see it as a hit piece.
Why is slashdot even posting it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157632</id>
	<title>Kingston dumping defective unitsS. America market</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1266347040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like Kensington is dumping their defective parts on the S. American street vendor markets. I took a month long trip through south america this last december/january, and the one thing street vendors were hawking were 4 and 8gb kensington USB thumb drives for between $3 and 4 USD (converted from the local currency. I saw these for sale in <b>Bogota, Colombia, Lima and Cusco, Peru</b> as well as <b>Rio de Janerio Brazil</b> and in every tourist town in <b>Uruguay</b>. I ran into some swedish girls who were having trouble transfering their pictures from their camera to their kensington memory stick (of course I offered to help them). Lo and Behold, they had a Kensington brand thumb drive that couldn't be recognized in either Windows or Linux, bought in <b>La Paz, Bolivia</b>, and another in <b>Ciudad del Este, Paraguay</b>.<br>
&nbsp; <br>You could claim they didn't dispose of their defective products properly, but clearly someone had the foresight to ship at least two shipping containers worth of these things to South America. No idea about the distribution network, but it must be huge and well run. They were clearly new, still in the plastic packaging, and the LED would light up and blink when plugged in, then stay lit. With a flip around protective cover.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like Kensington is dumping their defective parts on the S. American street vendor markets .
I took a month long trip through south america this last december/january , and the one thing street vendors were hawking were 4 and 8gb kensington USB thumb drives for between $ 3 and 4 USD ( converted from the local currency .
I saw these for sale in Bogota , Colombia , Lima and Cusco , Peru as well as Rio de Janerio Brazil and in every tourist town in Uruguay .
I ran into some swedish girls who were having trouble transfering their pictures from their camera to their kensington memory stick ( of course I offered to help them ) .
Lo and Behold , they had a Kensington brand thumb drive that could n't be recognized in either Windows or Linux , bought in La Paz , Bolivia , and another in Ciudad del Este , Paraguay .
  You could claim they did n't dispose of their defective products properly , but clearly someone had the foresight to ship at least two shipping containers worth of these things to South America .
No idea about the distribution network , but it must be huge and well run .
They were clearly new , still in the plastic packaging , and the LED would light up and blink when plugged in , then stay lit .
With a flip around protective cover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like Kensington is dumping their defective parts on the S. American street vendor markets.
I took a month long trip through south america this last december/january, and the one thing street vendors were hawking were 4 and 8gb kensington USB thumb drives for between $3 and 4 USD (converted from the local currency.
I saw these for sale in Bogota, Colombia, Lima and Cusco, Peru as well as Rio de Janerio Brazil and in every tourist town in Uruguay.
I ran into some swedish girls who were having trouble transfering their pictures from their camera to their kensington memory stick (of course I offered to help them).
Lo and Behold, they had a Kensington brand thumb drive that couldn't be recognized in either Windows or Linux, bought in La Paz, Bolivia, and another in Ciudad del Este, Paraguay.
  You could claim they didn't dispose of their defective products properly, but clearly someone had the foresight to ship at least two shipping containers worth of these things to South America.
No idea about the distribution network, but it must be huge and well run.
They were clearly new, still in the plastic packaging, and the LED would light up and blink when plugged in, then stay lit.
With a flip around protective cover.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156398</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1266342780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what's the problem anyway?  I've always liked Sandisk media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what 's the problem anyway ?
I 've always liked Sandisk media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what's the problem anyway?
I've always liked Sandisk media.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156036</id>
	<title>Kingston , at least sells SLC-based Flash devices</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't care from where they source their NAND Flash. Kingston gets a big plus in my book, because they are the only vendor that sells SLC-based SD and CF cards (also some USB drives). All other manufacturers just put MLC chips in their devices and hide this fact under a lot of meaningless glitz.</p><p>FYI, the SLC-based Kingston cards are the Elite Pro line of SD and FC cards. It's the only kind I'd confidently use in my netbook as an additional SSD drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't care from where they source their NAND Flash .
Kingston gets a big plus in my book , because they are the only vendor that sells SLC-based SD and CF cards ( also some USB drives ) .
All other manufacturers just put MLC chips in their devices and hide this fact under a lot of meaningless glitz.FYI , the SLC-based Kingston cards are the Elite Pro line of SD and FC cards .
It 's the only kind I 'd confidently use in my netbook as an additional SSD drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't care from where they source their NAND Flash.
Kingston gets a big plus in my book, because they are the only vendor that sells SLC-based SD and CF cards (also some USB drives).
All other manufacturers just put MLC chips in their devices and hide this fact under a lot of meaningless glitz.FYI, the SLC-based Kingston cards are the Elite Pro line of SD and FC cards.
It's the only kind I'd confidently use in my netbook as an additional SSD drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155996</id>
	<title>Anonymous Bravy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266340680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same thing with all these tier 2 consumer electronic memory card vendors like transcend etc.</p><p>And now bunny's site is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'ed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same thing with all these tier 2 consumer electronic memory card vendors like transcend etc.And now bunny 's site is / .
'ed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same thing with all these tier 2 consumer electronic memory card vendors like transcend etc.And now bunny's site is /.
'ed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31159816</id>
	<title>Re:All that from a few open chips, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266313080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Incidentally, isn't it kind of amazing that slapping a full 32-bit ARM core, with flash controller firmware, onto a flash chip is as cheap as simply testing the flash chip?</p></div></blockquote><p>
ARM7 is very mature.  It's likely that the manufacturer has licensed the ARM7 for other products many times over and has a perpetual license or unlimited design license for some fixed period.  As such they can put ARM7s in flash chip for no additional licensing cost.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Incidentally , is n't it kind of amazing that slapping a full 32-bit ARM core , with flash controller firmware , onto a flash chip is as cheap as simply testing the flash chip ?
ARM7 is very mature .
It 's likely that the manufacturer has licensed the ARM7 for other products many times over and has a perpetual license or unlimited design license for some fixed period .
As such they can put ARM7s in flash chip for no additional licensing cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incidentally, isn't it kind of amazing that slapping a full 32-bit ARM core, with flash controller firmware, onto a flash chip is as cheap as simply testing the flash chip?
ARM7 is very mature.
It's likely that the manufacturer has licensed the ARM7 for other products many times over and has a perpetual license or unlimited design license for some fixed period.
As such they can put ARM7s in flash chip for no additional licensing cost.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156004</id>
	<title>Huh-huh-huh...</title>
	<author>pbrooks100</author>
	<datestamp>1266340680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... you said Chumby</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... you said Chumby</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... you said Chumby</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156108</id>
	<title>as a IT buyer</title>
	<author>Mr.Fork</author>
	<datestamp>1266341340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I now will add Kingston to my exclusion list... This is starting to make sense.  I think Kingston's quality issues are also prevalent in their regular product line-up.  I've had quality issues only on Kingston products come to think of it... this posting now confirms my suspicions.  Too bad they didn't repsond to the posters concerns because it tells me they don't deserve my business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I now will add Kingston to my exclusion list... This is starting to make sense .
I think Kingston 's quality issues are also prevalent in their regular product line-up .
I 've had quality issues only on Kingston products come to think of it... this posting now confirms my suspicions .
Too bad they did n't repsond to the posters concerns because it tells me they do n't deserve my business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I now will add Kingston to my exclusion list... This is starting to make sense.
I think Kingston's quality issues are also prevalent in their regular product line-up.
I've had quality issues only on Kingston products come to think of it... this posting now confirms my suspicions.
Too bad they didn't repsond to the posters concerns because it tells me they don't deserve my business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31159674</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>lobsterturd</author>
	<datestamp>1266312420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is this modded 5 insightful? I can't believe how Slashdotters' comprehension skills seem to be lacking.</p><p>The point of the FA is not that Kingston doesn't make their own parts (that applies to every vendor), but that their authorized distributor delivered an irregular batch of cards that seemingly couldn't even handle being programmed with a ~50 MB firmware. These irregular cards just so happened to use the same controller chip as an obvious fake, which raised the question of how a seemingly reputable brand managed to unexpectedly supply such low-quality parts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this modded 5 insightful ?
I ca n't believe how Slashdotters ' comprehension skills seem to be lacking.The point of the FA is not that Kingston does n't make their own parts ( that applies to every vendor ) , but that their authorized distributor delivered an irregular batch of cards that seemingly could n't even handle being programmed with a ~ 50 MB firmware .
These irregular cards just so happened to use the same controller chip as an obvious fake , which raised the question of how a seemingly reputable brand managed to unexpectedly supply such low-quality parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this modded 5 insightful?
I can't believe how Slashdotters' comprehension skills seem to be lacking.The point of the FA is not that Kingston doesn't make their own parts (that applies to every vendor), but that their authorized distributor delivered an irregular batch of cards that seemingly couldn't even handle being programmed with a ~50 MB firmware.
These irregular cards just so happened to use the same controller chip as an obvious fake, which raised the question of how a seemingly reputable brand managed to unexpectedly supply such low-quality parts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156176</id>
	<title>Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266341640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.<br>It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....</p><p>When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives. The first drive is a small read-only drive (presumably a rom) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in. You can't disable or hide this drive at all. The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (which was always a crappy idea anyway). The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.</p><p>Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that:<br>a) just assumes you must be using windows.<br>b) Under widnows, the lower drive letter is the ROM, not the user space.<br>c) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.It does n't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives .
The first drive is a small read-only drive ( presumably a rom ) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in .
You ca n't disable or hide this drive at all .
The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows ( which was always a crappy idea anyway ) .
The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that : a ) just assumes you must be using windows.b ) Under widnows , the lower drive letter is the ROM , not the user space.c ) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives.
The first drive is a small read-only drive (presumably a rom) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in.
You can't disable or hide this drive at all.
The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (which was always a crappy idea anyway).
The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that:a) just assumes you must be using windows.b) Under widnows, the lower drive letter is the ROM, not the user space.c) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157684</id>
	<title>Seen this before on their DRAM</title>
	<author>psnail</author>
	<datestamp>1266347220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen this for years on their DRAM.  But where I work is very specific saying they want Kingston modules on the RAM they purchase.  I remember about 5 years ago getting Elixir memory from Kingston where they simply ripped off Elixir's sticker and put the Kingston sticker over it.  We had received literally the same RAM minus Kingston's sticker from Elixir.  It was literally the same RAM, PCB and all, with their sticker on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen this for years on their DRAM .
But where I work is very specific saying they want Kingston modules on the RAM they purchase .
I remember about 5 years ago getting Elixir memory from Kingston where they simply ripped off Elixir 's sticker and put the Kingston sticker over it .
We had received literally the same RAM minus Kingston 's sticker from Elixir .
It was literally the same RAM , PCB and all , with their sticker on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen this for years on their DRAM.
But where I work is very specific saying they want Kingston modules on the RAM they purchase.
I remember about 5 years ago getting Elixir memory from Kingston where they simply ripped off Elixir's sticker and put the Kingston sticker over it.
We had received literally the same RAM minus Kingston's sticker from Elixir.
It was literally the same RAM, PCB and all, with their sticker on it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156724</id>
	<title>Am I the only one???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266343980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one who hasn't had any of the numerous Kingston products (RAM/SD Card/USB Flash) I own fail???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who has n't had any of the numerous Kingston products ( RAM/SD Card/USB Flash ) I own fail ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who hasn't had any of the numerous Kingston products (RAM/SD Card/USB Flash) I own fail??
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157404</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1266346140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        The message I get from this is never, ever, to buy Kingston products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The message I get from this is never , ever , to buy Kingston products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        The message I get from this is never, ever, to buy Kingston products.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155834</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156256</id>
	<title>Extremely common</title>
	<author>Coopjust</author>
	<datestamp>1266342180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's extremely common... I've bought 4 Kingston MicroSD cards, all but 1 are dead in a year. A-DATA and other brands work fine, so I'm sure it's a problem with Kingston's quality control.
<br> <br>
Putting one badge on the top and having memory from another manufacturer is extremely common, but it's more surprising for a big brand.
<br> <br>
Kingston's warranty departmen was meh. I sent in a couple of the cards that were defective and got 2 more cards that died quickly a month after sending them in.
<br> <br>On a side note, Kingston's rebate house sucks and Kingston refused to resolve a properly filled rebate rejection. With Corsair and OCZ using reputable rebate houses, working memory, and good, quick repair, I now ignore Kingston when purchasing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's extremely common... I 've bought 4 Kingston MicroSD cards , all but 1 are dead in a year .
A-DATA and other brands work fine , so I 'm sure it 's a problem with Kingston 's quality control .
Putting one badge on the top and having memory from another manufacturer is extremely common , but it 's more surprising for a big brand .
Kingston 's warranty departmen was meh .
I sent in a couple of the cards that were defective and got 2 more cards that died quickly a month after sending them in .
On a side note , Kingston 's rebate house sucks and Kingston refused to resolve a properly filled rebate rejection .
With Corsair and OCZ using reputable rebate houses , working memory , and good , quick repair , I now ignore Kingston when purchasing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's extremely common... I've bought 4 Kingston MicroSD cards, all but 1 are dead in a year.
A-DATA and other brands work fine, so I'm sure it's a problem with Kingston's quality control.
Putting one badge on the top and having memory from another manufacturer is extremely common, but it's more surprising for a big brand.
Kingston's warranty departmen was meh.
I sent in a couple of the cards that were defective and got 2 more cards that died quickly a month after sending them in.
On a side note, Kingston's rebate house sucks and Kingston refused to resolve a properly filled rebate rejection.
With Corsair and OCZ using reputable rebate houses, working memory, and good, quick repair, I now ignore Kingston when purchasing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156090</id>
	<title>My SD card suddenly accelerated...</title>
	<author>yet-another-lobbyist</author>
	<datestamp>1266341280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>... and when I hit the brakes, it didn't stop! They were trying to tell me that it's only due to the packaging, but they don't want to admit that there is a much more serious underlying problem! I think we should sue the crap out of them!
It's all because of capitalism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... and when I hit the brakes , it did n't stop !
They were trying to tell me that it 's only due to the packaging , but they do n't want to admit that there is a much more serious underlying problem !
I think we should sue the crap out of them !
It 's all because of capitalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and when I hit the brakes, it didn't stop!
They were trying to tell me that it's only due to the packaging, but they don't want to admit that there is a much more serious underlying problem!
I think we should sue the crap out of them!
It's all because of capitalism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156278</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266342300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you're complaining about the annoying U3 program that they use. You are completely WRONG about not being able to disable. In fact, SanDisk provides a tool to remove it completely. I had to do it to my USB thumb drive, as well as a few members of my family.</p><p>Just search for "Sandisk U3 removal" and you will find the tool you need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're complaining about the annoying U3 program that they use .
You are completely WRONG about not being able to disable .
In fact , SanDisk provides a tool to remove it completely .
I had to do it to my USB thumb drive , as well as a few members of my family.Just search for " Sandisk U3 removal " and you will find the tool you need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're complaining about the annoying U3 program that they use.
You are completely WRONG about not being able to disable.
In fact, SanDisk provides a tool to remove it completely.
I had to do it to my USB thumb drive, as well as a few members of my family.Just search for "Sandisk U3 removal" and you will find the tool you need.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156812</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266344220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (<b>which was always a crappy idea anyway</b>).</p></div><p>Dude, totally not cool.  I came up with autorunner way back in '92 for the Amiga (maybe earlier), and it was awesome... although Star Trek really invented it first.  I was even contacted by Microsoft lawyers to provide evidence of prior art when they were going to be sued over it.</p><p>You set up a bunch of disks to run different programs, then just insert the disk into df1: to load up the app you wanted, loading and saving to that disk.  Keep the OS on df0: so you don't have to keep swapping it in all the time.  Just slide in one disk and your terminal program loads up, slide in another and it loads up a fancy file browser, slide in another that has your pascal compiler on it.  It was an <i>awesome</i> idea back then.</p><p>Of course nowadays we have fancy hard drives that can store all of the programs and data at once.  <i>Now</i> it's a bad idea, <i>back then</i> it was awesome.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows ( which was always a crappy idea anyway ) .Dude , totally not cool .
I came up with autorunner way back in '92 for the Amiga ( maybe earlier ) , and it was awesome... although Star Trek really invented it first .
I was even contacted by Microsoft lawyers to provide evidence of prior art when they were going to be sued over it.You set up a bunch of disks to run different programs , then just insert the disk into df1 : to load up the app you wanted , loading and saving to that disk .
Keep the OS on df0 : so you do n't have to keep swapping it in all the time .
Just slide in one disk and your terminal program loads up , slide in another and it loads up a fancy file browser , slide in another that has your pascal compiler on it .
It was an awesome idea back then.Of course nowadays we have fancy hard drives that can store all of the programs and data at once .
Now it 's a bad idea , back then it was awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (which was always a crappy idea anyway).Dude, totally not cool.
I came up with autorunner way back in '92 for the Amiga (maybe earlier), and it was awesome... although Star Trek really invented it first.
I was even contacted by Microsoft lawyers to provide evidence of prior art when they were going to be sued over it.You set up a bunch of disks to run different programs, then just insert the disk into df1: to load up the app you wanted, loading and saving to that disk.
Keep the OS on df0: so you don't have to keep swapping it in all the time.
Just slide in one disk and your terminal program loads up, slide in another and it loads up a fancy file browser, slide in another that has your pascal compiler on it.
It was an awesome idea back then.Of course nowadays we have fancy hard drives that can store all of the programs and data at once.
Now it's a bad idea, back then it was awesome.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157508</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>amorsen</author>
	<datestamp>1266346560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. The only problem with it is that you sometimes get different products with the same ID. I remember c't (German computer magazine) berating them for doing this with RAM sticks back in the 90's. At least RAM sticks and memory cards don't need drivers...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
The only problem with it is that you sometimes get different products with the same ID .
I remember c't ( German computer magazine ) berating them for doing this with RAM sticks back in the 90 's .
At least RAM sticks and memory cards do n't need drivers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
The only problem with it is that you sometimes get different products with the same ID.
I remember c't (German computer magazine) berating them for doing this with RAM sticks back in the 90's.
At least RAM sticks and memory cards don't need drivers...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155834</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31162742</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>VoltageX</author>
	<datestamp>1266327360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the latest U3 drives it's actually a separate thing controlled by SCSI commands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the latest U3 drives it 's actually a separate thing controlled by SCSI commands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the latest U3 drives it's actually a separate thing controlled by SCSI commands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157252</id>
	<title>I am not a warranty expert, but...</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1266345600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... I suspect that dissolving the cards with nitric acid probably won't help his efforts to get help from Kingston.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... I suspect that dissolving the cards with nitric acid probably wo n't help his efforts to get help from Kingston .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I suspect that dissolving the cards with nitric acid probably won't help his efforts to get help from Kingston.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156222</id>
	<title>Re:All that from a few open chips, eh?</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1266341940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Far from two pieces of evidence...</p><p>a)  A full lot (1K+) of identified bad SD cards</p><p>b)  A detailed forensic examination of 6 cards, including known genuine cards as well as known-fraudulent cards.</p><p>c)  That Kingston folded like a cheap suit BEFORE this blog posting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Far from two pieces of evidence...a ) A full lot ( 1K + ) of identified bad SD cardsb ) A detailed forensic examination of 6 cards , including known genuine cards as well as known-fraudulent cards.c ) That Kingston folded like a cheap suit BEFORE this blog posting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Far from two pieces of evidence...a)  A full lot (1K+) of identified bad SD cardsb)  A detailed forensic examination of 6 cards, including known genuine cards as well as known-fraudulent cards.c)  That Kingston folded like a cheap suit BEFORE this blog posting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155828</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155994</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>NevarMore</author>
	<datestamp>1266340680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think its significant because it might actually help consumers make a better choice. In this case if I'm looking at a Kingston SD card and a SanDisk and the Kingston is cheaper, I'll probably buy it knowing its got SanDisk guts in it. It could go the other way, knowing that SanDisk gets A+ parts while Kingston is A-. But knowing that difference is important before dropping coin on something expensive.</p><p>SD cards are a cheap commodity, but there are more expensive anecdotal examples like LCD panels. There are only a few fabs in the world, so anything from a Westinghouse store brand to a Bang and Oluffsen uber-TV will have very similar panels. The difference is largely in the controller software, the remotes, the casing, etc. That shifts the decision from the panel quality to the other extras that a more expensive brand may provide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think its significant because it might actually help consumers make a better choice .
In this case if I 'm looking at a Kingston SD card and a SanDisk and the Kingston is cheaper , I 'll probably buy it knowing its got SanDisk guts in it .
It could go the other way , knowing that SanDisk gets A + parts while Kingston is A- .
But knowing that difference is important before dropping coin on something expensive.SD cards are a cheap commodity , but there are more expensive anecdotal examples like LCD panels .
There are only a few fabs in the world , so anything from a Westinghouse store brand to a Bang and Oluffsen uber-TV will have very similar panels .
The difference is largely in the controller software , the remotes , the casing , etc .
That shifts the decision from the panel quality to the other extras that a more expensive brand may provide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think its significant because it might actually help consumers make a better choice.
In this case if I'm looking at a Kingston SD card and a SanDisk and the Kingston is cheaper, I'll probably buy it knowing its got SanDisk guts in it.
It could go the other way, knowing that SanDisk gets A+ parts while Kingston is A-.
But knowing that difference is important before dropping coin on something expensive.SD cards are a cheap commodity, but there are more expensive anecdotal examples like LCD panels.
There are only a few fabs in the world, so anything from a Westinghouse store brand to a Bang and Oluffsen uber-TV will have very similar panels.
The difference is largely in the controller software, the remotes, the casing, etc.
That shifts the decision from the panel quality to the other extras that a more expensive brand may provide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31155834</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31160082</id>
	<title>Re:Sandisk suck</title>
	<author>srvivn21</author>
	<datestamp>1266314220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.<br>It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....</p><p>When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives. The first drive is a small read-only drive (presumably a rom) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in. You can't disable or hide this drive at all. The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (which was always a crappy idea anyway). The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.</p><p>Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that:<br>a) just assumes you must be using windows.<br>b) Under widnows, the lower drive letter is the ROM, not the user space.<br>c) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.</p></div><p>You are a moron:</p><p>A:  The work fine in every OS I've ever tried them with</p></div><p>Heh.  I have one plugged in my car stereo.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>B:  You are worried about the drive letter enumeration here?  are you kidding me?</p><p>C:  Windows auto installs the drivers.  Not SanDisk</p><p>D:  The U3 feature can easily be turned off so the drive looks like any other cheaper flash drives.</p></div><p>Not only can it be turned off on any given Windows computer, but the uninstall process allows removal of the "hidden" partition from the drive itself (with the option of saving any other data on the drive).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>you sir need to RTFM before tou bitch about how bad something is you have no business commenting on.</p></div><p>While I feel it's a bit swarmy to require opt-out from the U3 software, the fact that such an option exists is nice.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.It does n't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives .
The first drive is a small read-only drive ( presumably a rom ) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in .
You ca n't disable or hide this drive at all .
The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows ( which was always a crappy idea anyway ) .
The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that : a ) just assumes you must be using windows.b ) Under widnows , the lower drive letter is the ROM , not the user space.c ) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.You are a moron : A : The work fine in every OS I 've ever tried them withHeh .
I have one plugged in my car stereo.B : You are worried about the drive letter enumeration here ?
are you kidding me ? C : Windows auto installs the drivers .
Not SanDiskD : The U3 feature can easily be turned off so the drive looks like any other cheaper flash drives.Not only can it be turned off on any given Windows computer , but the uninstall process allows removal of the " hidden " partition from the drive itself ( with the option of saving any other data on the drive ) .you sir need to RTFM before tou bitch about how bad something is you have no business commenting on.While I feel it 's a bit swarmy to require opt-out from the U3 software , the fact that such an option exists is nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally avoid buying sandisk products since my experiences with sandisk cruzer thumb drives at work.It doesn't tell you anywere on the packaging that it forces you into a totally horrible marketing idea....When you plug in a Sandisk Cruzer it appears as two drives.
The first drive is a small read-only drive (presumably a rom) that is configured to auto-install unnecessary windows drivers and other miscellaneous bloatware every time you plug the usb drive in.
You can't disable or hide this drive at all.
The best you can do is turn off autorun in windows (which was always a crappy idea anyway).
The drivers/utilities are totally redundant in that if you never install them you can still access the user drive as normal.Its particularly annoying of Sandisk to make a product that:a) just assumes you must be using windows.b) Under widnows, the lower drive letter is the ROM, not the user space.c) Its downright rude that it just auto-installs drivers with no user confirmation or control.You are a moron:A:  The work fine in every OS I've ever tried them withHeh.
I have one plugged in my car stereo.B:  You are worried about the drive letter enumeration here?
are you kidding me?C:  Windows auto installs the drivers.
Not SanDiskD:  The U3 feature can easily be turned off so the drive looks like any other cheaper flash drives.Not only can it be turned off on any given Windows computer, but the uninstall process allows removal of the "hidden" partition from the drive itself (with the option of saving any other data on the drive).you sir need to RTFM before tou bitch about how bad something is you have no business commenting on.While I feel it's a bit swarmy to require opt-out from the U3 software, the fact that such an option exists is nice.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31156280</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_16_1454246.31157056</id>
	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1266345060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>There are only a few fabs in the world, so anything from a Westinghouse store brand to a Bang and Oluffsen uber-TV will have very similar panels.</i></p><p>Um no.   your example comparing Westinghouse to B&amp;O may be accurate as B&amp;O is garbage when it comes to video and their audio stuff is falling out of favor as well, this is NOT the case with know high end lines.</p><p>Pioneer Elite plasmas or LCD's are very different from a el-cheapo brand.  I've been inside a bunch of different brands and types and yes there are some that are identical except for plastic and label, and there are others that are in fact very different.   Panasonic Tv's are far different from Vitzo and other crap brands.   Sony as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are only a few fabs in the world , so anything from a Westinghouse store brand to a Bang and Oluffsen uber-TV will have very similar panels.Um no .
your example comparing Westinghouse to B&amp;O may be accurate as B&amp;O is garbage when it comes to video and their audio stuff is falling out of favor as well , this is NOT the case with know high end lines.Pioneer Elite plasmas or LCD 's are very different from a el-cheapo brand .
I 've been inside a bunch of different brands and types and yes there are some that are identical except for plastic and label , and there are others that are in fact very different .
Panasonic Tv 's are far different from Vitzo and other crap brands .
Sony as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are only a few fabs in the world, so anything from a Westinghouse store brand to a Bang and Oluffsen uber-TV will have very similar panels.Um no.
your example comparing Westinghouse to B&amp;O may be accurate as B&amp;O is garbage when it comes to video and their audio stuff is falling out of favor as well, this is NOT the case with know high end lines.Pioneer Elite plasmas or LCD's are very different from a el-cheapo brand.
I've been inside a bunch of different brands and types and yes there are some that are identical except for plastic and label, and there are others that are in fact very different.
Panasonic Tv's are far different from Vitzo and other crap brands.
Sony as well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1266344040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuff</i></p><p>That's ostensibly an advantage.  Every fab turns out some turkeys and bad lots.  If Kingston has good QA they can find and re-sell the best and reject the rest.  If.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuffThat 's ostensibly an advantage .
Every fab turns out some turkeys and bad lots .
If Kingston has good QA they can find and re-sell the best and reject the rest .
If .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I usually avoid them because I know they dont make their own stuffThat's ostensibly an advantage.
Every fab turns out some turkeys and bad lots.
If Kingston has good QA they can find and re-sell the best and reject the rest.
If.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Yawn</title>
	<author>JoeF</author>
	<datestamp>1266340980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. That has been known for as long as Kingston exists.<br>They used to have good quality control, though. Apparently not any longer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
That has been known for as long as Kingston exists.They used to have good quality control , though .
Apparently not any longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
That has been known for as long as Kingston exists.They used to have good quality control, though.
Apparently not any longer.</sentencetext>
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