<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_15_1323200</id>
	<title>Nokia, Intel Merge Maemo, Moblin Into MeeGo</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1266241320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:slashdotNO@SPAMavee.org" rel="nofollow">AVee</a> writes <i>"Intel and Nokia just <a href="http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2010/welcome-meego">announced a new project</a> called <a href="http://meego.com/">MeeGo</a>. MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin, bringing together the best pieces of those (already quite similar platforms). Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which <a href="http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/02/meego-time.html">will run on ARM</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>AVee writes " Intel and Nokia just announced a new project called MeeGo .
MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin , bringing together the best pieces of those ( already quite similar platforms ) .
Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which will run on ARM .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AVee writes "Intel and Nokia just announced a new project called MeeGo.
MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin, bringing together the best pieces of those (already quite similar platforms).
Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which will run on ARM.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147238</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>spirit of reason</author>
	<datestamp>1266265020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One question... why? I bet your prejudices are based on very outdated information.</p><p>I've used yum, zypper, apt, and pacman based systems before, and I don't see any significant differences in the packaging format's power. Repositories are often set up a bit differently, but that's a policy issue. What is this major feature DEB has that RPM doesn't? Or even that apt has that yum doesn't?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One question... why ? I bet your prejudices are based on very outdated information.I 've used yum , zypper , apt , and pacman based systems before , and I do n't see any significant differences in the packaging format 's power .
Repositories are often set up a bit differently , but that 's a policy issue .
What is this major feature DEB has that RPM does n't ?
Or even that apt has that yum does n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One question... why? I bet your prejudices are based on very outdated information.I've used yum, zypper, apt, and pacman based systems before, and I don't see any significant differences in the packaging format's power.
Repositories are often set up a bit differently, but that's a policy issue.
What is this major feature DEB has that RPM doesn't?
Or even that apt has that yum doesn't?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31150828</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Hamoohead</author>
	<datestamp>1266240900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The MeeGo was named by Jar-Jar, I think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The MeeGo was named by Jar-Jar , I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The MeeGo was named by Jar-Jar, I think.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143590</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266247140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Q Will MeeGo use<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb as its packaging system?<br>A: MeeGo will use the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm format</p><p>http://meego.com/about/faq</p><p>Also Quim Gil of Maemo stated that it will officially support both GTK+ and Qt (original plan for Maemo 6 was to officially support only Qt and deliver GTK+ via community supported packages)<br>http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=527251&amp;postcount=87</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Q Will MeeGo use .rpm or .deb as its packaging system ? A : MeeGo will use the .rpm formathttp : //meego.com/about/faqAlso Quim Gil of Maemo stated that it will officially support both GTK + and Qt ( original plan for Maemo 6 was to officially support only Qt and deliver GTK + via community supported packages ) http : //talk.maemo.org/showpost.php ? p = 527251&amp;postcount = 87</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Q Will MeeGo use .rpm or .deb as its packaging system?A: MeeGo will use the .rpm formathttp://meego.com/about/faqAlso Quim Gil of Maemo stated that it will officially support both GTK+ and Qt (original plan for Maemo 6 was to officially support only Qt and deliver GTK+ via community supported packages)http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=527251&amp;postcount=87</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144624</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266252300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't worry about it. GNOME will have better support for now on, gtk will be developed mostly for desktop consume, and not needed useless things for embedded devices. Maemo's contribution to gtk was nothing for desktop (ie. GNOME). And Intel will keep developing in GTK since they won't have main developers of QT. Such a company won't rely on Nokia for it's main platform for devices. On the other hand I don't know who will back KDE after all, since neither Nokia, nor Intel is interested in PC market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry about it .
GNOME will have better support for now on , gtk will be developed mostly for desktop consume , and not needed useless things for embedded devices .
Maemo 's contribution to gtk was nothing for desktop ( ie .
GNOME ) . And Intel will keep developing in GTK since they wo n't have main developers of QT .
Such a company wo n't rely on Nokia for it 's main platform for devices .
On the other hand I do n't know who will back KDE after all , since neither Nokia , nor Intel is interested in PC market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry about it.
GNOME will have better support for now on, gtk will be developed mostly for desktop consume, and not needed useless things for embedded devices.
Maemo's contribution to gtk was nothing for desktop (ie.
GNOME). And Intel will keep developing in GTK since they won't have main developers of QT.
Such a company won't rely on Nokia for it's main platform for devices.
On the other hand I don't know who will back KDE after all, since neither Nokia, nor Intel is interested in PC market.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144000</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144038</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266249540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please release me, let meeee gooo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please release me , let meeee gooo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please release me, let meeee gooo.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143350</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144000</id>
	<title>Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>perrin</author>
	<datestamp>1266249360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Both Maemo and Moblin started off Gtk-based, using the Clutter toolkit on top of Gtk. Now both have switched over to Qt. Are there any other serious users of Clutter left?</p><p>I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days, and none that switch to or start with Gtk. Having programmed in both Gtk and Qt, I have to say I understand why. Qt is hands down the better and more elegant toolkit, despite my preference for C over C++. Qt also makes it easier than Gtk to port between Linux, Mac and Windows. Gtk on the other hand is stuck with a horrible dependency hell that prevents using it for anything serious on non-Linux platforms.</p><p>I think the way forward for Linux on the desktop is to standardize on one GUI toolkit, and there is no doubt that this toolkit would have to be Qt. It is a bit sad, because I always like Gnome better than KDE, and I see no easy way for Gnome to convert over to Qt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Maemo and Moblin started off Gtk-based , using the Clutter toolkit on top of Gtk .
Now both have switched over to Qt .
Are there any other serious users of Clutter left ? I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days , and none that switch to or start with Gtk .
Having programmed in both Gtk and Qt , I have to say I understand why .
Qt is hands down the better and more elegant toolkit , despite my preference for C over C + + .
Qt also makes it easier than Gtk to port between Linux , Mac and Windows .
Gtk on the other hand is stuck with a horrible dependency hell that prevents using it for anything serious on non-Linux platforms.I think the way forward for Linux on the desktop is to standardize on one GUI toolkit , and there is no doubt that this toolkit would have to be Qt .
It is a bit sad , because I always like Gnome better than KDE , and I see no easy way for Gnome to convert over to Qt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Maemo and Moblin started off Gtk-based, using the Clutter toolkit on top of Gtk.
Now both have switched over to Qt.
Are there any other serious users of Clutter left?I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days, and none that switch to or start with Gtk.
Having programmed in both Gtk and Qt, I have to say I understand why.
Qt is hands down the better and more elegant toolkit, despite my preference for C over C++.
Qt also makes it easier than Gtk to port between Linux, Mac and Windows.
Gtk on the other hand is stuck with a horrible dependency hell that prevents using it for anything serious on non-Linux platforms.I think the way forward for Linux on the desktop is to standardize on one GUI toolkit, and there is no doubt that this toolkit would have to be Qt.
It is a bit sad, because I always like Gnome better than KDE, and I see no easy way for Gnome to convert over to Qt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144348</id>
	<title>Moorestown</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266251220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia will probably use Moorestown</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia will probably use Moorestown</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia will probably use Moorestown</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145446</id>
	<title>Good move</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1266256020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was recently worried they'd both wither on the vine trying to compete against Android and filling almost exactly the same space.  Thus I was thinking I'd have to base a project on ChromeOS, which seemed strategically foolish (at least Nokia and Intel will have divergent interests to keep development focused on solving problems well in the abstract, rather than quick-n-dirty tangents a single vendor can accept).</p><p>Especially if they stay with the mainline kernel, which Google isn't interested in doing, together Intel and Nokia are going to be much more successful than competing poorly against each other and Google.</p><p>So, here's one developer's intent to go this way rather than Android (for a non-phone project).  Congrats to the adults in both camps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was recently worried they 'd both wither on the vine trying to compete against Android and filling almost exactly the same space .
Thus I was thinking I 'd have to base a project on ChromeOS , which seemed strategically foolish ( at least Nokia and Intel will have divergent interests to keep development focused on solving problems well in the abstract , rather than quick-n-dirty tangents a single vendor can accept ) .Especially if they stay with the mainline kernel , which Google is n't interested in doing , together Intel and Nokia are going to be much more successful than competing poorly against each other and Google.So , here 's one developer 's intent to go this way rather than Android ( for a non-phone project ) .
Congrats to the adults in both camps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was recently worried they'd both wither on the vine trying to compete against Android and filling almost exactly the same space.
Thus I was thinking I'd have to base a project on ChromeOS, which seemed strategically foolish (at least Nokia and Intel will have divergent interests to keep development focused on solving problems well in the abstract, rather than quick-n-dirty tangents a single vendor can accept).Especially if they stay with the mainline kernel, which Google isn't interested in doing, together Intel and Nokia are going to be much more successful than competing poorly against each other and Google.So, here's one developer's intent to go this way rather than Android (for a non-phone project).
Congrats to the adults in both camps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144778</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>SpinyNorman</author>
	<datestamp>1266252960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that functionally Clutter has been superceded by advances in Qt.. Qt supports OpenGL/ES/VG backends and has a new "declarative UI" for designing animated and custom UIs. In fact since the Nokia aquisition Qt seems to have all but forgotten about the desktop and most new features are squarely aimed at implementing fluid custom iPhone-like interfaces on smartphone/netbook targets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that functionally Clutter has been superceded by advances in Qt.. Qt supports OpenGL/ES/VG backends and has a new " declarative UI " for designing animated and custom UIs .
In fact since the Nokia aquisition Qt seems to have all but forgotten about the desktop and most new features are squarely aimed at implementing fluid custom iPhone-like interfaces on smartphone/netbook targets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that functionally Clutter has been superceded by advances in Qt.. Qt supports OpenGL/ES/VG backends and has a new "declarative UI" for designing animated and custom UIs.
In fact since the Nokia aquisition Qt seems to have all but forgotten about the desktop and most new features are squarely aimed at implementing fluid custom iPhone-like interfaces on smartphone/netbook targets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144214</id>
	<title>Re:Intel + ARM = EEE</title>
	<author>aBaldrich</author>
	<datestamp>1266250440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But they are using Linux... They can't become a monopoly, unless they find a very clever way to close Meego's source.
Anyone could fork the proyect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But they are using Linux... They ca n't become a monopoly , unless they find a very clever way to close Meego 's source .
Anyone could fork the proyect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they are using Linux... They can't become a monopoly, unless they find a very clever way to close Meego's source.
Anyone could fork the proyect.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143722</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145590</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>segedunum</author>
	<datestamp>1266256620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's more of a case of cutting down on maintenance and reducing fragmentation. You could potentially run Moblin or any piece of software that runs on Linux on Arm by recompiling anyway, so it makes very little difference.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's more of a case of cutting down on maintenance and reducing fragmentation .
You could potentially run Moblin or any piece of software that runs on Linux on Arm by recompiling anyway , so it makes very little difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's more of a case of cutting down on maintenance and reducing fragmentation.
You could potentially run Moblin or any piece of software that runs on Linux on Arm by recompiling anyway, so it makes very little difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144172</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1266250200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>More like a <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mi-Go" title="wikimedia.org">Mi-Go</a> [wikimedia.org]</p> </div><p>That was my first thought as well...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>More like a Mi-Go [ wikimedia.org ] That was my first thought as well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like a Mi-Go [wikimedia.org] That was my first thought as well...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143424</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266245880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>All Windows distros can potentially run</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM ...All Windows distros can potentially run</tokentext>
<sentencetext> All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM ...All Windows distros can potentially run
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143450</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266246120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>More like a <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mi-Go" title="wikimedia.org">Mi-Go</a> [wikimedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>More like a Mi-Go [ wikimedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like a Mi-Go [wikimedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31153022</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>EvilNTUser</author>
	<datestamp>1266352500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole point of switching to Qt is that porting is often as easy as recompiling, and both are very similar Linux distributions.  I don't think what you fear is that likely, especially since you can already write Qt apps even for Maemo 5.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole point of switching to Qt is that porting is often as easy as recompiling , and both are very similar Linux distributions .
I do n't think what you fear is that likely , especially since you can already write Qt apps even for Maemo 5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole point of switching to Qt is that porting is often as easy as recompiling, and both are very similar Linux distributions.
I don't think what you fear is that likely, especially since you can already write Qt apps even for Maemo 5.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31153936</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>beguyld</author>
	<datestamp>1266323880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel Atom's are already getting quite down in power consumption, now that they have truly integrated everything in one chip. The additional chip took 3x the power of the processor before. The new N450 is quoted at 5 Watts at 1.6GHz, while a Cortext A8 based OMAP 3530 at 720 MHz at 2 Watts. Both with GPUs.</p><p>Also, Intel can push the edge on process technology and thus drive the power down further. All the while, the ARM chips are reaching into the GHz range, and so are using more power. Not that they are equivalent processor architectures, but Intel can push the power down quite a bit yet with the same or better performance.</p><p>Intel is late to the mobile market, and they are stuck with the x86/AMD64 instruction set, but there seems to be a niche for them to run Windows and off the shelf apps. Should be interesting...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel Atom 's are already getting quite down in power consumption , now that they have truly integrated everything in one chip .
The additional chip took 3x the power of the processor before .
The new N450 is quoted at 5 Watts at 1.6GHz , while a Cortext A8 based OMAP 3530 at 720 MHz at 2 Watts .
Both with GPUs.Also , Intel can push the edge on process technology and thus drive the power down further .
All the while , the ARM chips are reaching into the GHz range , and so are using more power .
Not that they are equivalent processor architectures , but Intel can push the power down quite a bit yet with the same or better performance.Intel is late to the mobile market , and they are stuck with the x86/AMD64 instruction set , but there seems to be a niche for them to run Windows and off the shelf apps .
Should be interesting.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel Atom's are already getting quite down in power consumption, now that they have truly integrated everything in one chip.
The additional chip took 3x the power of the processor before.
The new N450 is quoted at 5 Watts at 1.6GHz, while a Cortext A8 based OMAP 3530 at 720 MHz at 2 Watts.
Both with GPUs.Also, Intel can push the edge on process technology and thus drive the power down further.
All the while, the ARM chips are reaching into the GHz range, and so are using more power.
Not that they are equivalent processor architectures, but Intel can push the power down quite a bit yet with the same or better performance.Intel is late to the mobile market, and they are stuck with the x86/AMD64 instruction set, but there seems to be a niche for them to run Windows and off the shelf apps.
Should be interesting...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143354</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145570</id>
	<title>Return of the Meego</title>
	<author>ToreTS</author>
	<datestamp>1266256560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, "Moblin", "Maemo" and "Meego" sound like characters in some cheesy science fiction or fantasy film.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , " Moblin " , " Maemo " and " Meego " sound like characters in some cheesy science fiction or fantasy film .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, "Moblin", "Maemo" and "Meego" sound like characters in some cheesy science fiction or fantasy film.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143440</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266246060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MeeGo Potty!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MeeGo Potty ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MeeGo Potty!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143350</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143722</id>
	<title>Intel + ARM = EEE</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266247860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which will run on ARM.</p></div><p> <strong>Embrace:</strong> Check.<br><strong>Extend:</strong> Active.<br><strong>Extinguish:</strong> Pending.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which will run on ARM .
Embrace : Check.Extend : Active.Extinguish : Pending .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which will run on ARM.
Embrace: Check.Extend: Active.Extinguish: Pending.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143882</id>
	<title>Re:Name?</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1266248700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel IS involved, after all...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel IS involved , after all.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel IS involved, after all...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143416</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143736</id>
	<title>Intel's not going anywhere.</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1266247980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's become pretty clear that Intel's place in the market is assured. They can't stop people from using ARM in low-power devices, x86 just has too much overhead.</p><p>What they can do is make sure that people don't have to worry about their architecture when they're using software. And that benefits everyone, because it keeps the chips we're using at top capacity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's become pretty clear that Intel 's place in the market is assured .
They ca n't stop people from using ARM in low-power devices , x86 just has too much overhead.What they can do is make sure that people do n't have to worry about their architecture when they 're using software .
And that benefits everyone , because it keeps the chips we 're using at top capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's become pretty clear that Intel's place in the market is assured.
They can't stop people from using ARM in low-power devices, x86 just has too much overhead.What they can do is make sure that people don't have to worry about their architecture when they're using software.
And that benefits everyone, because it keeps the chips we're using at top capacity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144610</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Nyrath the nearly wi</author>
	<datestamp>1266252240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somebody should make a cutesy "Hello Kitty" version of a Mi-Go to be the logo and mascot for Meego.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somebody should make a cutesy " Hello Kitty " version of a Mi-Go to be the logo and mascot for Meego .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somebody should make a cutesy "Hello Kitty" version of a Mi-Go to be the logo and mascot for Meego.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145000</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>montibbalt</author>
	<datestamp>1266253860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p> All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>All Windows distros can potentially run</p></div><p>Well played</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM ...All Windows distros can potentially runWell played</tokentext>
<sentencetext> All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM ...All Windows distros can potentially runWell played
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143424</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143682</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266247680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RPM, says Intel. Can't find a link, but there is much gnashing of teeth over that at work here. I would prefer to keep the repository apt, at the very least. But apt+dpkg would be lovely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RPM , says Intel .
Ca n't find a link , but there is much gnashing of teeth over that at work here .
I would prefer to keep the repository apt , at the very least .
But apt + dpkg would be lovely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RPM, says Intel.
Can't find a link, but there is much gnashing of teeth over that at work here.
I would prefer to keep the repository apt, at the very least.
But apt+dpkg would be lovely.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143604</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Moryath</author>
	<datestamp>1266247260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Either that or a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go" title="wikipedia.org">Cthulhu Fan</a> [wikipedia.org]...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Either that or a Cthulhu Fan [ wikipedia.org ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either that or a Cthulhu Fan [wikipedia.org]...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143350</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144934</id>
	<title>It might be something new and good:)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266253560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to the two companies, MeeGo will support multiple hardware architectures across a broad range of device segments, including pocketable mobile computers, netbooks, tablets, mediaphones, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment systems.</p><p>http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/mwc--nokia-and-intel-team-up-for-new-linux-mobile-os-3367</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the two companies , MeeGo will support multiple hardware architectures across a broad range of device segments , including pocketable mobile computers , netbooks , tablets , mediaphones , connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment systems.http : //www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/mwc--nokia-and-intel-team-up-for-new-linux-mobile-os-3367</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the two companies, MeeGo will support multiple hardware architectures across a broad range of device segments, including pocketable mobile computers, netbooks, tablets, mediaphones, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment systems.http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/mwc--nokia-and-intel-team-up-for-new-linux-mobile-os-3367</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144992</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266253800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, it's weird.</p><p>I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform, while GTK+ is somewhat more of a hassle to port. It's also nicer to develop with (much easier to get started and the Qt library has some very nice features, esp. since the 4.6 release).</p><p>That said, I perceive KDE as a very ugly desktop environment. I stopped using it a long time ago. Still checking it out once or twice a year, but I don't like it compared to GNOME. I want a desktop that works on installation, not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something. Also the options that pop up everywhere, the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.</p><p>Also when tweaked right (with some compiz magic) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much (application switching mapping to mouse, multiple desktop control with mouse, etc.) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.</p><p>Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.</p><p>I seriously don't know where this is going. Maybe the GTK+ team will do something unexpected and GTK+ 3 will completely smash Qt (though I'd be surprised), or maybe KDE will get some good looks and usability (which would also surprise me), or GNOME will be ported to Qt (haha), or maybe something else will let them both in the shadow while they don't get anywhere (though I have no clue what).</p><p>I don't complain though. Qt integration in GNOME is not bad, so I can happily write Qt apps and don't care about the desktop (though I'm more into web and platform development, not much of a UI person).</p><p>What ever comes around, it should be interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , it 's weird.I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform , while GTK + is somewhat more of a hassle to port .
It 's also nicer to develop with ( much easier to get started and the Qt library has some very nice features , esp .
since the 4.6 release ) .That said , I perceive KDE as a very ugly desktop environment .
I stopped using it a long time ago .
Still checking it out once or twice a year , but I do n't like it compared to GNOME .
I want a desktop that works on installation , not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something .
Also the options that pop up everywhere , the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.Also when tweaked right ( with some compiz magic ) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much ( application switching mapping to mouse , multiple desktop control with mouse , etc .
) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.I seriously do n't know where this is going .
Maybe the GTK + team will do something unexpected and GTK + 3 will completely smash Qt ( though I 'd be surprised ) , or maybe KDE will get some good looks and usability ( which would also surprise me ) , or GNOME will be ported to Qt ( haha ) , or maybe something else will let them both in the shadow while they do n't get anywhere ( though I have no clue what ) .I do n't complain though .
Qt integration in GNOME is not bad , so I can happily write Qt apps and do n't care about the desktop ( though I 'm more into web and platform development , not much of a UI person ) .What ever comes around , it should be interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, it's weird.I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform, while GTK+ is somewhat more of a hassle to port.
It's also nicer to develop with (much easier to get started and the Qt library has some very nice features, esp.
since the 4.6 release).That said, I perceive KDE as a very ugly desktop environment.
I stopped using it a long time ago.
Still checking it out once or twice a year, but I don't like it compared to GNOME.
I want a desktop that works on installation, not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something.
Also the options that pop up everywhere, the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.Also when tweaked right (with some compiz magic) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much (application switching mapping to mouse, multiple desktop control with mouse, etc.
) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.I seriously don't know where this is going.
Maybe the GTK+ team will do something unexpected and GTK+ 3 will completely smash Qt (though I'd be surprised), or maybe KDE will get some good looks and usability (which would also surprise me), or GNOME will be ported to Qt (haha), or maybe something else will let them both in the shadow while they don't get anywhere (though I have no clue what).I don't complain though.
Qt integration in GNOME is not bad, so I can happily write Qt apps and don't care about the desktop (though I'm more into web and platform development, not much of a UI person).What ever comes around, it should be interesting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147884</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266225060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, <a href="http://diegocg.blogspot.com/2009/11/fedora-yo-te-saludo.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">you claimed</a> [blogspot.com] (spanish link) that Yum used more resources and APT was better organized. In devices with lower resources, APT+DPKG seems better. Also, newer DPKG versions include some nice improvements that help a lot the developer (specially those that have to add patches to a third party package), and that improve size and decompression times by using LZMA.</p><p>The fact that RPM was chosen seems more a political one (LSB and Linux Foundation) than a technical one. Despite that, I don't think it will be a problem. RPM is not bad and can easily be improved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you claimed [ blogspot.com ] ( spanish link ) that Yum used more resources and APT was better organized .
In devices with lower resources , APT + DPKG seems better .
Also , newer DPKG versions include some nice improvements that help a lot the developer ( specially those that have to add patches to a third party package ) , and that improve size and decompression times by using LZMA.The fact that RPM was chosen seems more a political one ( LSB and Linux Foundation ) than a technical one .
Despite that , I do n't think it will be a problem .
RPM is not bad and can easily be improved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you claimed [blogspot.com] (spanish link) that Yum used more resources and APT was better organized.
In devices with lower resources, APT+DPKG seems better.
Also, newer DPKG versions include some nice improvements that help a lot the developer (specially those that have to add patches to a third party package), and that improve size and decompression times by using LZMA.The fact that RPM was chosen seems more a political one (LSB and Linux Foundation) than a technical one.
Despite that, I don't think it will be a problem.
RPM is not bad and can easily be improved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147084</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266264360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But with Qt you can code Gtk+!</p><p>Just code your UI with Qt and you get wrappers to it work as it would be Gtk+!</p><p>GTk+ is not n-e-e-d-e-d.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But with Qt you can code Gtk + ! Just code your UI with Qt and you get wrappers to it work as it would be Gtk + ! GTk + is not n-e-e-d-e-d .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But with Qt you can code Gtk+!Just code your UI with Qt and you get wrappers to it work as it would be Gtk+!GTk+ is not n-e-e-d-e-d.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31152856</id>
	<title>One more Linux "platform"?</title>
	<author>Argon</author>
	<datestamp>1266350700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OMiGo might've been a better name<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OMiGo might 've been a better name : - ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMiGo might've been a better name :-).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31148694</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Nothing2Chere</author>
	<datestamp>1266228960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the risking of being juvenile, I have to say that my brain keeps putting an extra "O" in the pronunciation.
<br> <br>
MeeGoo...</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the risking of being juvenile , I have to say that my brain keeps putting an extra " O " in the pronunciation .
MeeGoo.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the risking of being juvenile, I have to say that my brain keeps putting an extra "O" in the pronunciation.
MeeGoo...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143350</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143500</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266246540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but Intel sold its ARM division to Marvell because they thought Atom was a perfect CPU for phones, TVs and other appliances.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but Intel sold its ARM division to Marvell because they thought Atom was a perfect CPU for phones , TVs and other appliances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but Intel sold its ARM division to Marvell because they thought Atom was a perfect CPU for phones, TVs and other appliances.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143340</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143340</id>
	<title>Eh?</title>
	<author>goose-incarnated</author>
	<datestamp>1266245220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>All</b> Linux distros can potentially run on ARM<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143386</id>
	<title>Meekrob?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266245640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, I'd rather eat a bucket of rotten shit than another plate of meekrob.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , I 'd rather eat a bucket of rotten shit than another plate of meekrob .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, I'd rather eat a bucket of rotten shit than another plate of meekrob.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145298</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>ubersoldat2k7</author>
	<datestamp>1266255300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days, and none that switch to or start with Gtk.</p></div><p>I started my project on November on GTK. It's on Freshmeat, so I don't know how you missed it. I really like PyGTK and Glade, and are very easy to use and extend. Qt is very nice, too nice for me. I mean, I don't really feel its' L&amp;F. Not that it doesn't work, it's just that I don't quite like it but I find that other people do, so it's good to have them both.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days , and none that switch to or start with Gtk.I started my project on November on GTK .
It 's on Freshmeat , so I do n't know how you missed it .
I really like PyGTK and Glade , and are very easy to use and extend .
Qt is very nice , too nice for me .
I mean , I do n't really feel its ' L&amp;F .
Not that it does n't work , it 's just that I do n't quite like it but I find that other people do , so it 's good to have them both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days, and none that switch to or start with Gtk.I started my project on November on GTK.
It's on Freshmeat, so I don't know how you missed it.
I really like PyGTK and Glade, and are very easy to use and extend.
Qt is very nice, too nice for me.
I mean, I don't really feel its' L&amp;F.
Not that it doesn't work, it's just that I don't quite like it but I find that other people do, so it's good to have them both.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144000</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143354</id>
	<title>Interesting...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1266245340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Intel must be extraordinarily bullish on their ability to bring x86 into ARM's low power turf.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel must be extraordinarily bullish on their ability to bring x86 into ARM 's low power turf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel must be extraordinarily bullish on their ability to bring x86 into ARM's low power turf.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143904</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266248820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's really a problem? I mean, package wars are so 1999. I recently switched to a RPM based distro after 9 years using and loving APT. And while there're differences (some advantages, some disadvantages), these days they're pretty much the same thing. I'm using KDE 4.4 from Fedora rawhide in my Fedora 13 base system, just as I would have done in Ubuntu. There're things far more important in this merge than using RPM instead of DEB. Like, for example, focusing on QT instead of Clutter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's really a problem ?
I mean , package wars are so 1999 .
I recently switched to a RPM based distro after 9 years using and loving APT .
And while there 're differences ( some advantages , some disadvantages ) , these days they 're pretty much the same thing .
I 'm using KDE 4.4 from Fedora rawhide in my Fedora 13 base system , just as I would have done in Ubuntu .
There 're things far more important in this merge than using RPM instead of DEB .
Like , for example , focusing on QT instead of Clutter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's really a problem?
I mean, package wars are so 1999.
I recently switched to a RPM based distro after 9 years using and loving APT.
And while there're differences (some advantages, some disadvantages), these days they're pretty much the same thing.
I'm using KDE 4.4 from Fedora rawhide in my Fedora 13 base system, just as I would have done in Ubuntu.
There're things far more important in this merge than using RPM instead of DEB.
Like, for example, focusing on QT instead of Clutter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31152044</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>Funnnny</author>
	<datestamp>1266254100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, it's like your switch from Windows to Linux and say: What, I want Internet Explorer, where is it ? Such a crappy OS, I have to tweak 1 week just to get IE. <br> <br>
Another wow, I wanna find Control Panel, what, Linux doesn't have it ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , it 's like your switch from Windows to Linux and say : What , I want Internet Explorer , where is it ?
Such a crappy OS , I have to tweak 1 week just to get IE .
Another wow , I wan na find Control Panel , what , Linux does n't have it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, it's like your switch from Windows to Linux and say: What, I want Internet Explorer, where is it ?
Such a crappy OS, I have to tweak 1 week just to get IE.
Another wow, I wanna find Control Panel, what, Linux doesn't have it ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144992</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145506</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266256260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform, while GTK+ is somewhat more of a hassle to port.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Unfortunately, GTK is a huge panopoly of multiple dependencies that simply haven't got easier to package up over the years, and in many ways have got worse. It's cross-platform support is also pretty terrible as a result, especially when it comes to Windows and Mac but for embedded devices I would imagine the pain and maintenance would be worse. Sad, but true unfortunately.</p><blockquote><div><p>I want a desktop that works on installation, not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something. Also the options that pop up everywhere, the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I just wonder why people post third, fourth or fifth hand 'information' from people who know very little as fact. That's like saying you can't do anything with Windows for two weeks because you have to install Office, a DVD player and a dozen other things............and you don't have to do those things with your average Linux distribution these days, apart from the DVD stuff, but there are ways and means. No one has any trouble sitting down to a KDE desktop and starting work. Perhaps you can enlighten us all?</p><blockquote><div><p>Also when tweaked right (with some compiz magic) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much (application switching mapping to mouse, multiple desktop control with mouse, etc.) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Well, Kwin provides a lot of options for stuff like that, but..........what I find amusing is that you're having a go at KDE because you think it takes you two weeks to configure things and you're then switching the whole thing around in the very next paragraph because KDE doesn't provide the configuration you want? Uh huh.</p><blockquote><div><p>Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Uh, huh. Alas, repeating something does not make it true I'm afraid. If you put KDE nest to Gnome, and next to the serious proprietary competitors like Vista, 7 and OS X, then you can only see one open source desktop competitor on the ugliness front. You might find things ugly as do others, but the aesthetics of desktop environments are moving on regardless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform , while GTK + is somewhat more of a hassle to port .
Unfortunately , GTK is a huge panopoly of multiple dependencies that simply have n't got easier to package up over the years , and in many ways have got worse .
It 's cross-platform support is also pretty terrible as a result , especially when it comes to Windows and Mac but for embedded devices I would imagine the pain and maintenance would be worse .
Sad , but true unfortunately.I want a desktop that works on installation , not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something .
Also the options that pop up everywhere , the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible .
I just wonder why people post third , fourth or fifth hand 'information ' from people who know very little as fact .
That 's like saying you ca n't do anything with Windows for two weeks because you have to install Office , a DVD player and a dozen other things............and you do n't have to do those things with your average Linux distribution these days , apart from the DVD stuff , but there are ways and means .
No one has any trouble sitting down to a KDE desktop and starting work .
Perhaps you can enlighten us all ? Also when tweaked right ( with some compiz magic ) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much ( application switching mapping to mouse , multiple desktop control with mouse , etc .
) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE .
Well , Kwin provides a lot of options for stuff like that , but..........what I find amusing is that you 're having a go at KDE because you think it takes you two weeks to configure things and you 're then switching the whole thing around in the very next paragraph because KDE does n't provide the configuration you want ?
Uh huh.Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy .
Uh , huh .
Alas , repeating something does not make it true I 'm afraid .
If you put KDE nest to Gnome , and next to the serious proprietary competitors like Vista , 7 and OS X , then you can only see one open source desktop competitor on the ugliness front .
You might find things ugly as do others , but the aesthetics of desktop environments are moving on regardless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform, while GTK+ is somewhat more of a hassle to port.
Unfortunately, GTK is a huge panopoly of multiple dependencies that simply haven't got easier to package up over the years, and in many ways have got worse.
It's cross-platform support is also pretty terrible as a result, especially when it comes to Windows and Mac but for embedded devices I would imagine the pain and maintenance would be worse.
Sad, but true unfortunately.I want a desktop that works on installation, not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something.
Also the options that pop up everywhere, the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.
I just wonder why people post third, fourth or fifth hand 'information' from people who know very little as fact.
That's like saying you can't do anything with Windows for two weeks because you have to install Office, a DVD player and a dozen other things............and you don't have to do those things with your average Linux distribution these days, apart from the DVD stuff, but there are ways and means.
No one has any trouble sitting down to a KDE desktop and starting work.
Perhaps you can enlighten us all?Also when tweaked right (with some compiz magic) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much (application switching mapping to mouse, multiple desktop control with mouse, etc.
) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.
Well, Kwin provides a lot of options for stuff like that, but..........what I find amusing is that you're having a go at KDE because you think it takes you two weeks to configure things and you're then switching the whole thing around in the very next paragraph because KDE doesn't provide the configuration you want?
Uh huh.Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.
Uh, huh.
Alas, repeating something does not make it true I'm afraid.
If you put KDE nest to Gnome, and next to the serious proprietary competitors like Vista, 7 and OS X, then you can only see one open source desktop competitor on the ugliness front.
You might find things ugly as do others, but the aesthetics of desktop environments are moving on regardless.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144192</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266250260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Q: Will MeeGo use<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb as its packaging system?<br>A: MeeGo will use the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm format</p><p>http://meego.com/about/faq</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Q : Will MeeGo use .rpm or .deb as its packaging system ? A : MeeGo will use the .rpm formathttp : //meego.com/about/faq</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Q: Will MeeGo use .rpm or .deb as its packaging system?A: MeeGo will use the .rpm formathttp://meego.com/about/faq</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147946</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Xtifr</author>
	<datestamp>1266225420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There may already be one on the <a href="http://www.hello-cthulhu.com/" title="hello-cthulhu.com">Hello Cthulhu</a> [hello-cthulhu.com] site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There may already be one on the Hello Cthulhu [ hello-cthulhu.com ] site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There may already be one on the Hello Cthulhu [hello-cthulhu.com] site.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143930</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266248880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maemo is a mythical figure/creature in Finnish folklore. The name has been made readable for most of western world by ditching the double a.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maemo is a mythical figure/creature in Finnish folklore .
The name has been made readable for most of western world by ditching the double a .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maemo is a mythical figure/creature in Finnish folklore.
The name has been made readable for most of western world by ditching the double a.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143460</id>
	<title>Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266246240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real important question: What package management system will it use?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real important question : What package management system will it use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real important question: What package management system will it use?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31146486</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1266261360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chrome?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chrome ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chrome?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31148692</id>
	<title>URGH - Qt is awful.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266228960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why all this talk about 'community'- while doing some corporate alliance between Intel &amp; Nokia.<br>Why abandon, the open and widely deployed GNOME / gtk+ base for this corporately controlled Qt crud ?<br>This seems like a retarded move. Why are Intel and Nokia once again trying to do their own thing, after their (apparent) failure on Moblin and Maemo to actually build a real community around the stacks ?<br>Why are they wasting time on dumb stuff like ConnMan ? who makes up this stuff ? how is it going to end up improving Desktop Linux (if at all) ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why all this talk about 'community'- while doing some corporate alliance between Intel &amp; Nokia.Why abandon , the open and widely deployed GNOME / gtk + base for this corporately controlled Qt crud ? This seems like a retarded move .
Why are Intel and Nokia once again trying to do their own thing , after their ( apparent ) failure on Moblin and Maemo to actually build a real community around the stacks ? Why are they wasting time on dumb stuff like ConnMan ?
who makes up this stuff ?
how is it going to end up improving Desktop Linux ( if at all ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why all this talk about 'community'- while doing some corporate alliance between Intel &amp; Nokia.Why abandon, the open and widely deployed GNOME / gtk+ base for this corporately controlled Qt crud ?This seems like a retarded move.
Why are Intel and Nokia once again trying to do their own thing, after their (apparent) failure on Moblin and Maemo to actually build a real community around the stacks ?Why are they wasting time on dumb stuff like ConnMan ?
who makes up this stuff ?
how is it going to end up improving Desktop Linux (if at all) ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147102</id>
	<title>Well defined and stable API</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266264420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about API for app developers? In my understanding, MeeGo is not going to have a unique app stack like Android does have. MeeGo's compatibility with desktop will bring existing great apps to Mobile device. That is good one. But there is no well defined API (like iPhone and Android) to make it happen.

How about my understanding?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about API for app developers ?
In my understanding , MeeGo is not going to have a unique app stack like Android does have .
MeeGo 's compatibility with desktop will bring existing great apps to Mobile device .
That is good one .
But there is no well defined API ( like iPhone and Android ) to make it happen .
How about my understanding ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about API for app developers?
In my understanding, MeeGo is not going to have a unique app stack like Android does have.
MeeGo's compatibility with desktop will bring existing great apps to Mobile device.
That is good one.
But there is no well defined API (like iPhone and Android) to make it happen.
How about my understanding?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143416</id>
	<title>Name?</title>
	<author>Dartz-IRL</author>
	<datestamp>1266245820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meego?</p><p>The mobile OS from Yuggoth</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meego ? The mobile OS from Yuggoth</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meego?The mobile OS from Yuggoth</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143634</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266247500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I could tell you the story behind Moblin, but IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I could tell you the story behind Moblin , but IT 'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I could tell you the story behind Moblin, but IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144508</id>
	<title>Nokia and maybe GNOME wins...</title>
	<author>camcorder</author>
	<datestamp>1266251880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nokia bought Trolltech in order to get control of QT. And Intel bought OpenedHand in order to improve Clutter and Moblin. Now they merge their platforms, which is based on the Nokia's QT. Money wasted for OpenedHand buy out? It looks like Intel had plenty of money to dump for unstrategic move.<br> <br>
Now it's obvious that QT will evolve for Mobile devices. And GTK will evolve to be a solid Desktop toolkit for Linux. When maemo project started GTK had lost lots of blood because Nokia contribution had no visible benefit to desktop users. That affected GNOME very much. Now I think KDE will suffer this mobile-movement of QT. I hope they won't, but history is evident for it to happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia bought Trolltech in order to get control of QT .
And Intel bought OpenedHand in order to improve Clutter and Moblin .
Now they merge their platforms , which is based on the Nokia 's QT .
Money wasted for OpenedHand buy out ?
It looks like Intel had plenty of money to dump for unstrategic move .
Now it 's obvious that QT will evolve for Mobile devices .
And GTK will evolve to be a solid Desktop toolkit for Linux .
When maemo project started GTK had lost lots of blood because Nokia contribution had no visible benefit to desktop users .
That affected GNOME very much .
Now I think KDE will suffer this mobile-movement of QT .
I hope they wo n't , but history is evident for it to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia bought Trolltech in order to get control of QT.
And Intel bought OpenedHand in order to improve Clutter and Moblin.
Now they merge their platforms, which is based on the Nokia's QT.
Money wasted for OpenedHand buy out?
It looks like Intel had plenty of money to dump for unstrategic move.
Now it's obvious that QT will evolve for Mobile devices.
And GTK will evolve to be a solid Desktop toolkit for Linux.
When maemo project started GTK had lost lots of blood because Nokia contribution had no visible benefit to desktop users.
That affected GNOME very much.
Now I think KDE will suffer this mobile-movement of QT.
I hope they won't, but history is evident for it to happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144800</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266253020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin</p></div><p>Who named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?</p></div><p>No. It was named by a Shenzhen CEO when he just wanted to end the meeting because he really needed to pee.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and MoblinWho named these platforms , a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment ? No .
It was named by a Shenzhen CEO when he just wanted to end the meeting because he really needed to pee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and MoblinWho named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?No.
It was named by a Shenzhen CEO when he just wanted to end the meeting because he really needed to pee.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31150734</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>quantumphaze</author>
	<datestamp>1266240120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Arch too but there are some things that stack against it for consumer devices this will run on.</p><p>Pacman lacks a stable/polished gui and has no built in downgrade support (you have to manually install an old package from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var/cache which you hopefully didn't clean out). Apt also has other features like the gpg keys that though you and I may not miss, but I'm sure others may.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Arch too but there are some things that stack against it for consumer devices this will run on.Pacman lacks a stable/polished gui and has no built in downgrade support ( you have to manually install an old package from /var/cache which you hopefully did n't clean out ) .
Apt also has other features like the gpg keys that though you and I may not miss , but I 'm sure others may .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Arch too but there are some things that stack against it for consumer devices this will run on.Pacman lacks a stable/polished gui and has no built in downgrade support (you have to manually install an old package from /var/cache which you hopefully didn't clean out).
Apt also has other features like the gpg keys that though you and I may not miss, but I'm sure others may.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31146498</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143844</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>Carewolf</author>
	<datestamp>1266248520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The real important question: What package management system will it use?</p></div></blockquote><p>No that's not it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real important question : What package management system will it use ? No that 's not it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real important question: What package management system will it use?No that's not it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143460</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143360</id>
	<title>Next version of the n900?</title>
	<author>dsavi</author>
	<datestamp>1266245400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This will make the next version of the Nokia internet tablet series very interesting indeed, I think. Will this be a new Android, running on both netbooks and higher-end smartphones? Anyway, I like the idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This will make the next version of the Nokia internet tablet series very interesting indeed , I think .
Will this be a new Android , running on both netbooks and higher-end smartphones ?
Anyway , I like the idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will make the next version of the Nokia internet tablet series very interesting indeed, I think.
Will this be a new Android, running on both netbooks and higher-end smartphones?
Anyway, I like the idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31156748</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266344040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The real important question: What package management system will it use?</p></div><p>No, the <b>real</b> important question: Will it blend?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real important question : What package management system will it use ? No , the real important question : Will it blend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real important question: What package management system will it use?No, the real important question: Will it blend?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143460</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147854</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1266224940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Both Maemo and Moblin started off Gtk-based, using the Clutter toolkit on top of Gtk.</p><p>You would have a point had it been done for technical reasons.  And had you known what you were going on about.  Maemo was never based on clutter, it predated clutter by several years and the hardware it ships on lacks 3d acceleration.  This is corporate politics at work.  Maemo is pretty much dead if you ask me, managed into oblivion.  Moblin was already a dead horse, being tied too closely to both the x86 anchor and being a research toy OS watching Android come storming onto the scene sucking all the PR buzz up.</p><p>As for Maemo, look how many flag days there have already been and how many more are planned.  The current shipping product is GTK based and everyone had already been warned of a rip and replace of most of the guts to go to Qt for the next version.  Why?  Because Nokia went out and bought Trolltech thats why, and ya gotta eat the house brand of dogfood.  Now before they can even ship a beta more corporate politics happen and the developers are going to get a much more crap they didn't ask for dumped into their laps and told to integrate it.</p><p>So now there are two possibilities, either delay shipping the QT rewrite to merge all of the Intel tech and piss off everyone who, in anticipation of this switch was readying new code of their own, or worse ship the Qt port they had planned and announce yet again that it is a one release OS that is going to have most of it's innards ripped and replaced yet again for the next one.  Who in their right mind is going to continue sinking resources into following this train wreck over the cliff?  Perhaps Nokia can afford the developer resources to keep rewriting their OS for every release, but most 3rd party developers just want to release an app and get onto the next one or adding cool new features for a new version, not just keep rewriting and debugging the same one for an ever changing OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Both Maemo and Moblin started off Gtk-based , using the Clutter toolkit on top of Gtk.You would have a point had it been done for technical reasons .
And had you known what you were going on about .
Maemo was never based on clutter , it predated clutter by several years and the hardware it ships on lacks 3d acceleration .
This is corporate politics at work .
Maemo is pretty much dead if you ask me , managed into oblivion .
Moblin was already a dead horse , being tied too closely to both the x86 anchor and being a research toy OS watching Android come storming onto the scene sucking all the PR buzz up.As for Maemo , look how many flag days there have already been and how many more are planned .
The current shipping product is GTK based and everyone had already been warned of a rip and replace of most of the guts to go to Qt for the next version .
Why ? Because Nokia went out and bought Trolltech thats why , and ya got ta eat the house brand of dogfood .
Now before they can even ship a beta more corporate politics happen and the developers are going to get a much more crap they did n't ask for dumped into their laps and told to integrate it.So now there are two possibilities , either delay shipping the QT rewrite to merge all of the Intel tech and piss off everyone who , in anticipation of this switch was readying new code of their own , or worse ship the Qt port they had planned and announce yet again that it is a one release OS that is going to have most of it 's innards ripped and replaced yet again for the next one .
Who in their right mind is going to continue sinking resources into following this train wreck over the cliff ?
Perhaps Nokia can afford the developer resources to keep rewriting their OS for every release , but most 3rd party developers just want to release an app and get onto the next one or adding cool new features for a new version , not just keep rewriting and debugging the same one for an ever changing OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Both Maemo and Moblin started off Gtk-based, using the Clutter toolkit on top of Gtk.You would have a point had it been done for technical reasons.
And had you known what you were going on about.
Maemo was never based on clutter, it predated clutter by several years and the hardware it ships on lacks 3d acceleration.
This is corporate politics at work.
Maemo is pretty much dead if you ask me, managed into oblivion.
Moblin was already a dead horse, being tied too closely to both the x86 anchor and being a research toy OS watching Android come storming onto the scene sucking all the PR buzz up.As for Maemo, look how many flag days there have already been and how many more are planned.
The current shipping product is GTK based and everyone had already been warned of a rip and replace of most of the guts to go to Qt for the next version.
Why?  Because Nokia went out and bought Trolltech thats why, and ya gotta eat the house brand of dogfood.
Now before they can even ship a beta more corporate politics happen and the developers are going to get a much more crap they didn't ask for dumped into their laps and told to integrate it.So now there are two possibilities, either delay shipping the QT rewrite to merge all of the Intel tech and piss off everyone who, in anticipation of this switch was readying new code of their own, or worse ship the Qt port they had planned and announce yet again that it is a one release OS that is going to have most of it's innards ripped and replaced yet again for the next one.
Who in their right mind is going to continue sinking resources into following this train wreck over the cliff?
Perhaps Nokia can afford the developer resources to keep rewriting their OS for every release, but most 3rd party developers just want to release an app and get onto the next one or adding cool new features for a new version, not just keep rewriting and debugging the same one for an ever changing OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145018</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>hyartep</author>
	<datestamp>1266254040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maemo switching to qt was on the roadmap, so nothing too surprising.</p><p>i expect they will use qt with clutter (or something based on clutter).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maemo switching to qt was on the roadmap , so nothing too surprising.i expect they will use qt with clutter ( or something based on clutter ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maemo switching to qt was on the roadmap, so nothing too surprising.i expect they will use qt with clutter (or something based on clutter).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31155684</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>segedunum</author>
	<datestamp>1266338880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You would have a point had it been done for technical reasons. And had you known what you were going on about. Maemo was never based on clutter, it predated clutter by several years and the hardware it ships on lacks 3d acceleration.</p></div></blockquote><p>
He does know what he's talking about. He specifically said Maemo and Moblin, and Moblin does use Clutter.</p><blockquote><div><p>The current shipping product is GTK based and everyone had already been warned of a rip and replace of most of the guts to go to Qt for the next version. Why? Because Nokia went out and bought Trolltech thats why, and ya gotta eat the house brand of dogfood. Now before they can even ship a beta more corporate politics...</p></div></blockquote><p>
You'd probably like think it was corporate politcs, but:</p><blockquote><div><p>Maemo is pretty much dead if you ask me, managed into oblivion. Moblin was already a dead horse, being tied too closely to both the x86 anchor and being a research toy OS watching Android come storming onto the scene sucking all the PR buzz up.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Because Maemo is so far behind the technological curve when compared with Android and the iPhone it isn't funny. Technologically, from a maintenance and future development point of view, Maemo as it was, based on GTK, as a total dead-end that would have taken years to get into shape - if ever. Maemo was never something Nokia could ship on awider basis, and Moblin went down the same road.</p><blockquote><div><p>...but most 3rd party developers just want to release an app and get onto the next one or adding cool new features for a new version, not just keep rewriting and debugging the same one for an ever changing OS.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The sooner this change is done the sooner people can get on with writing applications - which never materialised with Maemo as it was.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You would have a point had it been done for technical reasons .
And had you known what you were going on about .
Maemo was never based on clutter , it predated clutter by several years and the hardware it ships on lacks 3d acceleration .
He does know what he 's talking about .
He specifically said Maemo and Moblin , and Moblin does use Clutter.The current shipping product is GTK based and everyone had already been warned of a rip and replace of most of the guts to go to Qt for the next version .
Why ? Because Nokia went out and bought Trolltech thats why , and ya got ta eat the house brand of dogfood .
Now before they can even ship a beta more corporate politics.. . You 'd probably like think it was corporate politcs , but : Maemo is pretty much dead if you ask me , managed into oblivion .
Moblin was already a dead horse , being tied too closely to both the x86 anchor and being a research toy OS watching Android come storming onto the scene sucking all the PR buzz up .
Because Maemo is so far behind the technological curve when compared with Android and the iPhone it is n't funny .
Technologically , from a maintenance and future development point of view , Maemo as it was , based on GTK , as a total dead-end that would have taken years to get into shape - if ever .
Maemo was never something Nokia could ship on awider basis , and Moblin went down the same road....but most 3rd party developers just want to release an app and get onto the next one or adding cool new features for a new version , not just keep rewriting and debugging the same one for an ever changing OS .
The sooner this change is done the sooner people can get on with writing applications - which never materialised with Maemo as it was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would have a point had it been done for technical reasons.
And had you known what you were going on about.
Maemo was never based on clutter, it predated clutter by several years and the hardware it ships on lacks 3d acceleration.
He does know what he's talking about.
He specifically said Maemo and Moblin, and Moblin does use Clutter.The current shipping product is GTK based and everyone had already been warned of a rip and replace of most of the guts to go to Qt for the next version.
Why? Because Nokia went out and bought Trolltech thats why, and ya gotta eat the house brand of dogfood.
Now before they can even ship a beta more corporate politics...
You'd probably like think it was corporate politcs, but:Maemo is pretty much dead if you ask me, managed into oblivion.
Moblin was already a dead horse, being tied too closely to both the x86 anchor and being a research toy OS watching Android come storming onto the scene sucking all the PR buzz up.
Because Maemo is so far behind the technological curve when compared with Android and the iPhone it isn't funny.
Technologically, from a maintenance and future development point of view, Maemo as it was, based on GTK, as a total dead-end that would have taken years to get into shape - if ever.
Maemo was never something Nokia could ship on awider basis, and Moblin went down the same road....but most 3rd party developers just want to release an app and get onto the next one or adding cool new features for a new version, not just keep rewriting and debugging the same one for an ever changing OS.
The sooner this change is done the sooner people can get on with writing applications - which never materialised with Maemo as it was.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143490</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>EvilNTUser</author>
	<datestamp>1266246420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A stupid name is a prerequisite for being a successful FOSS product.  Nokia and Intel have clearly done their homework.</p><p>Also indicating huge potential, MeeGo has already ignited a flamewar between RPM and DEB supporters.  Welcome to the community!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A stupid name is a prerequisite for being a successful FOSS product .
Nokia and Intel have clearly done their homework.Also indicating huge potential , MeeGo has already ignited a flamewar between RPM and DEB supporters .
Welcome to the community !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A stupid name is a prerequisite for being a successful FOSS product.
Nokia and Intel have clearly done their homework.Also indicating huge potential, MeeGo has already ignited a flamewar between RPM and DEB supporters.
Welcome to the community!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145552</id>
	<title>Re:Name?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266256440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143336</id>
	<title>Quit similar?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266245160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First Post! But "quit" similar?</p><p>Any spell checkers around here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First Post !
But " quit " similar ? Any spell checkers around here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First Post!
But "quit" similar?Any spell checkers around here?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144344</id>
	<title>There can only be one!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266251220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about the handset manufacturers get behind one distro, and make it awesome? All multuple distros, with multiple app stores, and all sorts of crazy interfaces will do is fragment the market. In the end, none of them will succeed!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the handset manufacturers get behind one distro , and make it awesome ?
All multuple distros , with multiple app stores , and all sorts of crazy interfaces will do is fragment the market .
In the end , none of them will succeed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the handset manufacturers get behind one distro, and make it awesome?
All multuple distros, with multiple app stores, and all sorts of crazy interfaces will do is fragment the market.
In the end, none of them will succeed!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31146498</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266261420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>RPM, says Intel. Can't find a link, but there is much gnashing of teeth over that at work here. I would prefer to keep the repository apt, at the very least. But apt+dpkg would be lovely.</p></div><p>I don't get why people say this. I use Debian and Archlinux but I find Archlinux's pacman much more comfortable than the apt(-get -cache -search itute) + dpkg* mess</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>RPM , says Intel .
Ca n't find a link , but there is much gnashing of teeth over that at work here .
I would prefer to keep the repository apt , at the very least .
But apt + dpkg would be lovely.I do n't get why people say this .
I use Debian and Archlinux but I find Archlinux 's pacman much more comfortable than the apt ( -get -cache -search itute ) + dpkg * mess</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RPM, says Intel.
Can't find a link, but there is much gnashing of teeth over that at work here.
I would prefer to keep the repository apt, at the very least.
But apt+dpkg would be lovely.I don't get why people say this.
I use Debian and Archlinux but I find Archlinux's pacman much more comfortable than the apt(-get -cache -search itute) + dpkg* mess
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144982</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>hyartep</author>
	<datestamp>1266253740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maemo is based on debian so apt+dpkg for meego is possible. (otoh: moblin is based on fedora - it means rpm).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maemo is based on debian so apt + dpkg for meego is possible .
( otoh : moblin is based on fedora - it means rpm ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maemo is based on debian so apt+dpkg for meego is possible.
(otoh: moblin is based on fedora - it means rpm).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144604</id>
	<title>Intel and ARM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266252240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, Intel and ARM are not exactly competitors in the mobile world. Heck, Intel even manufactures <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">ARM based chips</a> [wikipedia.org], so I can't really see why it's such a big deal that they back a ARM based linux distro for deviced where the ARM architecture is de facto standard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Intel and ARM are not exactly competitors in the mobile world .
Heck , Intel even manufactures ARM based chips [ wikipedia.org ] , so I ca n't really see why it 's such a big deal that they back a ARM based linux distro for deviced where the ARM architecture is de facto standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Intel and ARM are not exactly competitors in the mobile world.
Heck, Intel even manufactures ARM based chips [wikipedia.org], so I can't really see why it's such a big deal that they back a ARM based linux distro for deviced where the ARM architecture is de facto standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145634</id>
	<title>Re:Intel and ARM</title>
	<author>Randle\_Revar</author>
	<datestamp>1266256860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel sold XScale a long time ago. June 2006, in fact, as you would know if you had looked at the link you posted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel sold XScale a long time ago .
June 2006 , in fact , as you would know if you had looked at the link you posted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel sold XScale a long time ago.
June 2006, in fact, as you would know if you had looked at the link you posted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143350</id>
	<title>Funny names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266245280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin</p></div><p>Who named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and MoblinWho named these platforms , a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and MoblinWho named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31158264</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Bay1</author>
	<datestamp>1266349380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A possible Apple knock off:  MeeGo  I</htmltext>
<tokenext>A possible Apple knock off : MeeGo I</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A possible Apple knock off:  MeeGo  I</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143578</id>
	<title>Frist st0p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266247080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Startling turn clearly. There sales and so on, won't vote in bloodfarts. FrreBSD mod points and *BSD IS DYING IT IS</htmltext>
<tokenext>Startling turn clearly .
There sales and so on , wo n't vote in bloodfarts .
FrreBSD mod points and * BSD IS DYING IT IS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Startling turn clearly.
There sales and so on, won't vote in bloodfarts.
FrreBSD mod points and *BSD IS DYING IT IS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147428</id>
	<title>Re:Gtk RIP?</title>
	<author>MoralHazard</author>
	<datestamp>1266265920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's funny--I've never had to spend more than 10 minutes tweaking a new KDE desktop. And most of that is usually just adding the plasmoids I like, and setting up a quicklaunch with the apps I want.</p><p>It takes a hot 5 seconds to open up the right menu and check the box to turn on Compiz. And all those wonderful productivity effects work basically identically on KDE and Gnome.</p><p>There, see how I completely negated every point you thought you just made. Let this be a lesson as to why you shouldn't try to argue points based on anecdotes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's funny--I 've never had to spend more than 10 minutes tweaking a new KDE desktop .
And most of that is usually just adding the plasmoids I like , and setting up a quicklaunch with the apps I want.It takes a hot 5 seconds to open up the right menu and check the box to turn on Compiz .
And all those wonderful productivity effects work basically identically on KDE and Gnome.There , see how I completely negated every point you thought you just made .
Let this be a lesson as to why you should n't try to argue points based on anecdotes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's funny--I've never had to spend more than 10 minutes tweaking a new KDE desktop.
And most of that is usually just adding the plasmoids I like, and setting up a quicklaunch with the apps I want.It takes a hot 5 seconds to open up the right menu and check the box to turn on Compiz.
And all those wonderful productivity effects work basically identically on KDE and Gnome.There, see how I completely negated every point you thought you just made.
Let this be a lesson as to why you shouldn't try to argue points based on anecdotes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31153530</id>
	<title>Re:There can only be one!</title>
	<author>ChunderDownunder</author>
	<datestamp>1266316320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now what's left: Android, Meego, Palm,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div></blockquote><p>
Linux based? meh.
</p><p>
In case you missed it, Symbian <a href="http://www.symbian.org/symbian-feature-set/symbian-is-open-source" title="symbian.org">went open source this month</a> [symbian.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now what 's left : Android , Meego , Palm , .. . Linux based ?
meh . In case you missed it , Symbian went open source this month [ symbian.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now what's left: Android, Meego, Palm, ...
Linux based?
meh.

In case you missed it, Symbian went open source this month [symbian.org].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143444</id>
	<title>Does it run Jar(Jar) files</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1266246120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just asking...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just asking.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just asking...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143686</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266247680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a mistake. GTK is crap aesthetically, codewise AND from a documentation point of view. They should have concentrated on Qt for the professionals, and left GTK to rot with the "community".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a mistake .
GTK is crap aesthetically , codewise AND from a documentation point of view .
They should have concentrated on Qt for the professionals , and left GTK to rot with the " community " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a mistake.
GTK is crap aesthetically, codewise AND from a documentation point of view.
They should have concentrated on Qt for the professionals, and left GTK to rot with the "community".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143590</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31147364</id>
	<title>Re:Package management</title>
	<author>MoralHazard</author>
	<datestamp>1266265620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet you haven't used RPM in-depth since before YUM became the preferred front-end. If you had, you would have already known that rpm:dpkg what yum:apt, and there really isn't much of a difference between the two stacks, at this point.</p><p>It's funny how little some people can be bothered to know about the Linux world outside their own little preferred ecosystems. Last week, I suggested that a co-worker might want use RPMs instead of tarballs to distribute a patched custom LAMP stack to a server farm. Rather than admit that he didn't know anything about writing spec files and couldn't be bothered to learn, he started lecturing me on the evils of "RPM dependency hell".</p><p>In 2050, I'm sure some people who use some kind of Linux on a daily basis will still be spouting these old saws, feebly unaware that everybody is just too polite to whack an old geezer with the clue bat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet you have n't used RPM in-depth since before YUM became the preferred front-end .
If you had , you would have already known that rpm : dpkg what yum : apt , and there really is n't much of a difference between the two stacks , at this point.It 's funny how little some people can be bothered to know about the Linux world outside their own little preferred ecosystems .
Last week , I suggested that a co-worker might want use RPMs instead of tarballs to distribute a patched custom LAMP stack to a server farm .
Rather than admit that he did n't know anything about writing spec files and could n't be bothered to learn , he started lecturing me on the evils of " RPM dependency hell " .In 2050 , I 'm sure some people who use some kind of Linux on a daily basis will still be spouting these old saws , feebly unaware that everybody is just too polite to whack an old geezer with the clue bat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet you haven't used RPM in-depth since before YUM became the preferred front-end.
If you had, you would have already known that rpm:dpkg what yum:apt, and there really isn't much of a difference between the two stacks, at this point.It's funny how little some people can be bothered to know about the Linux world outside their own little preferred ecosystems.
Last week, I suggested that a co-worker might want use RPMs instead of tarballs to distribute a patched custom LAMP stack to a server farm.
Rather than admit that he didn't know anything about writing spec files and couldn't be bothered to learn, he started lecturing me on the evils of "RPM dependency hell".In 2050, I'm sure some people who use some kind of Linux on a daily basis will still be spouting these old saws, feebly unaware that everybody is just too polite to whack an old geezer with the clue bat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143682</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145424</id>
	<title>Re:There can only be one!</title>
	<author>alexandre</author>
	<datestamp>1266255900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, iPhone is doomed to stay as proprietary garbage, as is WinMo 7.<br>Now what's left: Android, Meego, Palm,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Those 3 could probably work together... Maybe Android is too full of itself and Samsung should join Meego and drop Bada too.</p><p>The question for all these is who control the app store, and i think meego allows all of them to control their own while still staying compatible.<br>This also means open access to an open market of different store for consumers if the platform is to stay open and thus attract people.</p><p>Are we seeing the computer software industry transform into a "Label" that distributes apps?<br>I can't understand this model in a world where everyone can setup their own distribution channel for 20$.<br>It's only a winning move if you can sell hardware and the only way to compete against the &#252;ber monopolistic Apple model is this.</p><p>So the cycle of proprietary / FOSS reaction goes on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , iPhone is doomed to stay as proprietary garbage , as is WinMo 7.Now what 's left : Android , Meego , Palm , ...Those 3 could probably work together... Maybe Android is too full of itself and Samsung should join Meego and drop Bada too.The question for all these is who control the app store , and i think meego allows all of them to control their own while still staying compatible.This also means open access to an open market of different store for consumers if the platform is to stay open and thus attract people.Are we seeing the computer software industry transform into a " Label " that distributes apps ? I ca n't understand this model in a world where everyone can setup their own distribution channel for 20 $ .It 's only a winning move if you can sell hardware and the only way to compete against the   ber monopolistic Apple model is this.So the cycle of proprietary / FOSS reaction goes on .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, iPhone is doomed to stay as proprietary garbage, as is WinMo 7.Now what's left: Android, Meego, Palm, ...Those 3 could probably work together... Maybe Android is too full of itself and Samsung should join Meego and drop Bada too.The question for all these is who control the app store, and i think meego allows all of them to control their own while still staying compatible.This also means open access to an open market of different store for consumers if the platform is to stay open and thus attract people.Are we seeing the computer software industry transform into a "Label" that distributes apps?I can't understand this model in a world where everyone can setup their own distribution channel for 20$.It's only a winning move if you can sell hardware and the only way to compete against the über monopolistic Apple model is this.So the cycle of proprietary / FOSS reaction goes on ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145998</id>
	<title>Re:Quit similar?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266258840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My spell check says "quit" is spelled correctly. It may be the wrong word, but it's spelled properly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My spell check says " quit " is spelled correctly .
It may be the wrong word , but it 's spelled properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My spell check says "quit" is spelled correctly.
It may be the wrong word, but it's spelled properly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145636</id>
	<title>Re:Funny names</title>
	<author>Jazzbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1266256860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin</p></div><p>Who named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?</p></div><p>Be happy they didn't name it M&amp;M.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and MoblinWho named these platforms , a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment ? Be happy they did n't name it M&amp;M .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and MoblinWho named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?Be happy they didn't name it M&amp;M.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145174</id>
	<title>Do not say dependency hell...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266254760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when it's simple negligence. While package maintainers take care of Gtk for linux, Gtk for windows is in ruins.</p><p>There's no installer on official gtk page. C'mon guys, it's 2010, and you still package it in zip archives?</p><p>Ok, there is an installer on SF, but wait, there's no Glade support in there!</p><p>Oh, here is Glade, but oh, it's shipping with its <b>own</b> Gtk bundle, which is outdated and incompatible with the first one.</p><p>Ok, let's install the major Gtk app, GIMP... Wait, I already have two gtk bundles installed, I don't need another one! What do you mean, "no choice"?</p><p>Hmmm, let's try this Deluge app... At last, I can skip Gtk installation and use one of the previously installed. Hey, why did it crash?</p><p>F**k it, even<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET is better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when it 's simple negligence .
While package maintainers take care of Gtk for linux , Gtk for windows is in ruins.There 's no installer on official gtk page .
C'mon guys , it 's 2010 , and you still package it in zip archives ? Ok , there is an installer on SF , but wait , there 's no Glade support in there ! Oh , here is Glade , but oh , it 's shipping with its own Gtk bundle , which is outdated and incompatible with the first one.Ok , let 's install the major Gtk app , GIMP... Wait , I already have two gtk bundles installed , I do n't need another one !
What do you mean , " no choice " ? Hmmm , let 's try this Deluge app... At last , I can skip Gtk installation and use one of the previously installed .
Hey , why did it crash ? F * * k it , even .NET is better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when it's simple negligence.
While package maintainers take care of Gtk for linux, Gtk for windows is in ruins.There's no installer on official gtk page.
C'mon guys, it's 2010, and you still package it in zip archives?Ok, there is an installer on SF, but wait, there's no Glade support in there!Oh, here is Glade, but oh, it's shipping with its own Gtk bundle, which is outdated and incompatible with the first one.Ok, let's install the major Gtk app, GIMP... Wait, I already have two gtk bundles installed, I don't need another one!
What do you mean, "no choice"?Hmmm, let's try this Deluge app... At last, I can skip Gtk installation and use one of the previously installed.
Hey, why did it crash?F**k it, even .NET is better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143466</id>
	<title>Re:Next version of the n900?</title>
	<author>thms</author>
	<datestamp>1266246240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope that really soon now(tm) the mobile phone operating systems (the linux based ones at least), will become interchangeable.
<p>
Some of the newer Android hardware is quite neat, yet an OS so tightly coupled with Google-Everything is not quite to my taste. I would love to put Maemo/MeeGo on these devices. Sorry, Nokia<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope that really soon now ( tm ) the mobile phone operating systems ( the linux based ones at least ) , will become interchangeable .
Some of the newer Android hardware is quite neat , yet an OS so tightly coupled with Google-Everything is not quite to my taste .
I would love to put Maemo/MeeGo on these devices .
Sorry , Nokia : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope that really soon now(tm) the mobile phone operating systems (the linux based ones at least), will become interchangeable.
Some of the newer Android hardware is quite neat, yet an OS so tightly coupled with Google-Everything is not quite to my taste.
I would love to put Maemo/MeeGo on these devices.
Sorry, Nokia :/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31146388</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia and maybe GNOME wins...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266260820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why Qt would lose. Its development tools (Qt Creator, KDevelop) are still much better and more polished than anything Gtk has to offer, and much more like what you have in Windows land. Heck, Qt Creator is probably the first real C++ RAD environment for Linux that I've seen, and the second one overall (the first one was C++ Builder).</p><p>Also, Qt is preferable if you want better L&amp;F integration - if you write a Gtk application, it will look alien in KDE, but if you write a Qt4 appication, it will pick up the current Gtk theme when running under Gnome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why Qt would lose .
Its development tools ( Qt Creator , KDevelop ) are still much better and more polished than anything Gtk has to offer , and much more like what you have in Windows land .
Heck , Qt Creator is probably the first real C + + RAD environment for Linux that I 've seen , and the second one overall ( the first one was C + + Builder ) .Also , Qt is preferable if you want better L&amp;F integration - if you write a Gtk application , it will look alien in KDE , but if you write a Qt4 appication , it will pick up the current Gtk theme when running under Gnome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why Qt would lose.
Its development tools (Qt Creator, KDevelop) are still much better and more polished than anything Gtk has to offer, and much more like what you have in Windows land.
Heck, Qt Creator is probably the first real C++ RAD environment for Linux that I've seen, and the second one overall (the first one was C++ Builder).Also, Qt is preferable if you want better L&amp;F integration - if you write a Gtk application, it will look alien in KDE, but if you write a Qt4 appication, it will pick up the current Gtk theme when running under Gnome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143564</id>
	<title>Holy 90s Batman.</title>
	<author>srothroc</author>
	<datestamp>1266246960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The instant I saw this name, Bronson Pinchot jumped into my memory. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meego" title="wikipedia.org">MeeGo</a> [wikipedia.org] was a weird show.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The instant I saw this name , Bronson Pinchot jumped into my memory .
MeeGo [ wikipedia.org ] was a weird show .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The instant I saw this name, Bronson Pinchot jumped into my memory.
MeeGo [wikipedia.org] was a weird show.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31148992</id>
	<title>WELL DUH !!!</title>
	<author>mehemiah</author>
	<datestamp>1266230640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>also from the "there can only be one" department, all those stupid android phones should standardize on one UI implimentation, the  linux Tablet makers should stick to one UI implementation per spec (internet tablet, productivity tablet) so we dont confuse the poor users on the systems. all this duplication of effort was stupid anyway. There's evolution and then there's Me-Too, which one was this? The reason why apple beats windows is because they make both hardware and software. Nokia could have put their linux on the netbook they made and it could have competed with the MacBook air, but no, they put windows on it where they have no control. The only thing wrong with apple laptops is their broken stupid bios, (some have virtualization  disabled.) otherwise you can load whatever. Now someone can  make a tablet just as beautifull and by virtue of choice more powerfull by loading it with MeeGo for shipping and allowing anyone to put anything else on it at void of warrente.</htmltext>
<tokenext>also from the " there can only be one " department , all those stupid android phones should standardize on one UI implimentation , the linux Tablet makers should stick to one UI implementation per spec ( internet tablet , productivity tablet ) so we dont confuse the poor users on the systems .
all this duplication of effort was stupid anyway .
There 's evolution and then there 's Me-Too , which one was this ?
The reason why apple beats windows is because they make both hardware and software .
Nokia could have put their linux on the netbook they made and it could have competed with the MacBook air , but no , they put windows on it where they have no control .
The only thing wrong with apple laptops is their broken stupid bios , ( some have virtualization disabled .
) otherwise you can load whatever .
Now someone can make a tablet just as beautifull and by virtue of choice more powerfull by loading it with MeeGo for shipping and allowing anyone to put anything else on it at void of warrente .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>also from the "there can only be one" department, all those stupid android phones should standardize on one UI implimentation, the  linux Tablet makers should stick to one UI implementation per spec (internet tablet, productivity tablet) so we dont confuse the poor users on the systems.
all this duplication of effort was stupid anyway.
There's evolution and then there's Me-Too, which one was this?
The reason why apple beats windows is because they make both hardware and software.
Nokia could have put their linux on the netbook they made and it could have competed with the MacBook air, but no, they put windows on it where they have no control.
The only thing wrong with apple laptops is their broken stupid bios, (some have virtualization  disabled.
) otherwise you can load whatever.
Now someone can  make a tablet just as beautifull and by virtue of choice more powerfull by loading it with MeeGo for shipping and allowing anyone to put anything else on it at void of warrente.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31146728</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1266262680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the point is that Intel is making it. You know.. Intel, the company which primarily makes IA32 and AMD64 processors, is making an operating system that also supports ARM. Imagine if the line read "Interestingly this means that Microsoft will be sponsoring an office suite which will run on Linux".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the point is that Intel is making it .
You know.. Intel , the company which primarily makes IA32 and AMD64 processors , is making an operating system that also supports ARM .
Imagine if the line read " Interestingly this means that Microsoft will be sponsoring an office suite which will run on Linux " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the point is that Intel is making it.
You know.. Intel, the company which primarily makes IA32 and AMD64 processors, is making an operating system that also supports ARM.
Imagine if the line read "Interestingly this means that Microsoft will be sponsoring an office suite which will run on Linux".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31176752</id>
	<title>Re:URGH - Qt is awful.</title>
	<author>TheCycoONE</author>
	<datestamp>1265021700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FUD?  GNOME/gtk+ is managed by the GNOME foundation, an NPO, and Qt is managed by Nokia a for profit company but that's where the differences end.  Both are available through public git repositories, and both are licensed through the LGPL (with Qt also available through the GPL 3 and Proprietary licenses).</p><p>Qt is fairly widely deployed as well, even in the 'community' or would you like us to forget about KDE?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FUD ?
GNOME/gtk + is managed by the GNOME foundation , an NPO , and Qt is managed by Nokia a for profit company but that 's where the differences end .
Both are available through public git repositories , and both are licensed through the LGPL ( with Qt also available through the GPL 3 and Proprietary licenses ) .Qt is fairly widely deployed as well , even in the 'community ' or would you like us to forget about KDE ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FUD?
GNOME/gtk+ is managed by the GNOME foundation, an NPO, and Qt is managed by Nokia a for profit company but that's where the differences end.
Both are available through public git repositories, and both are licensed through the LGPL (with Qt also available through the GPL 3 and Proprietary licenses).Qt is fairly widely deployed as well, even in the 'community' or would you like us to forget about KDE?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31148048</id>
	<title>Re:Do not say dependency hell...</title>
	<author>bmcage</author>
	<datestamp>1266225900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>glade is deprecated, you are supposed to use gkbuilder.<p>
You only need the glade package on windows if you want to use the glade interface editor to create xml files gtkbuilder can read</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>glade is deprecated , you are supposed to use gkbuilder .
You only need the glade package on windows if you want to use the glade interface editor to create xml files gtkbuilder can read</tokentext>
<sentencetext>glade is deprecated, you are supposed to use gkbuilder.
You only need the glade package on windows if you want to use the glade interface editor to create xml files gtkbuilder can read</sentencetext>
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145174
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31148048
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_02_15_1323200.13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144604
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145634
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_02_15_1323200.16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31144344
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145424
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31153530
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_02_15_1323200.5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143736
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation10_02_15_1323200.14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143416
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31145552
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_15_1323200.31143882
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