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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_14_0155238</id>
	<title>Low-Cost Robotic Arm Sketches Faces</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266171600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ptresset writes <i>"A low-cost robotic arm has been sketching faces at the Kinetica2010 art fair in London. Created by the Aikon project research team, the system drew faces non-stop, its creator having to take the role of an automata to repeatedly change the paper. The Aikon project is based at Goldsmiths College, University of London. The main objective of the Aikon project  is to implement a computational system <a href="http://www.aikon-gold.com/">capable of simulating the various important processes involved in face sketching by artists</a>. The ensemble of processes to be simulated include the visual perception the subject and the sketch, the drawing gestures, the cognitive activity, reasoning, the influence of the years of training, etc. It is evident that due to knowledge and technological limitations the implementation of each process will remain coarse and approximate. The system implemented is expected to draw in its own style."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ptresset writes " A low-cost robotic arm has been sketching faces at the Kinetica2010 art fair in London .
Created by the Aikon project research team , the system drew faces non-stop , its creator having to take the role of an automata to repeatedly change the paper .
The Aikon project is based at Goldsmiths College , University of London .
The main objective of the Aikon project is to implement a computational system capable of simulating the various important processes involved in face sketching by artists .
The ensemble of processes to be simulated include the visual perception the subject and the sketch , the drawing gestures , the cognitive activity , reasoning , the influence of the years of training , etc .
It is evident that due to knowledge and technological limitations the implementation of each process will remain coarse and approximate .
The system implemented is expected to draw in its own style .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ptresset writes "A low-cost robotic arm has been sketching faces at the Kinetica2010 art fair in London.
Created by the Aikon project research team, the system drew faces non-stop, its creator having to take the role of an automata to repeatedly change the paper.
The Aikon project is based at Goldsmiths College, University of London.
The main objective of the Aikon project  is to implement a computational system capable of simulating the various important processes involved in face sketching by artists.
The ensemble of processes to be simulated include the visual perception the subject and the sketch, the drawing gestures, the cognitive activity, reasoning, the influence of the years of training, etc.
It is evident that due to knowledge and technological limitations the implementation of each process will remain coarse and approximate.
The system implemented is expected to draw in its own style.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Not mentioned is that he was using linux....</title>
	<author>dopeghost</author>
	<datestamp>1266172380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I went to Kinetica the other day and saw this and was definitely impressed.

What i don't think is obvious from RTFA was that he was running Ubuntu! There were actually 3 individual arms setup, all communicating thru a wireless access point to a laptop he had in front of him.

There were even mini postcards he was giving out with a rather dashing interpretation of Alan Turing on it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to Kinetica the other day and saw this and was definitely impressed .
What i do n't think is obvious from RTFA was that he was running Ubuntu !
There were actually 3 individual arms setup , all communicating thru a wireless access point to a laptop he had in front of him .
There were even mini postcards he was giving out with a rather dashing interpretation of Alan Turing on it : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to Kinetica the other day and saw this and was definitely impressed.
What i don't think is obvious from RTFA was that he was running Ubuntu!
There were actually 3 individual arms setup, all communicating thru a wireless access point to a laptop he had in front of him.
There were even mini postcards he was giving out with a rather dashing interpretation of Alan Turing on it :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133124</id>
	<title>Someone needs a proofreaders</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266180540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>an automata</p></div><p>I don't think that is the grammatical number you think it is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>an automataI do n't think that is the grammatical number you think it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>an automataI don't think that is the grammatical number you think it is.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31132972</id>
	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266090960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pretty sure the "no cameras" thing works like that in the USA, as well.  Or at least popular media seems to suggest that.  It makes a vague kind of sense that I can't entirely put my finger on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty sure the " no cameras " thing works like that in the USA , as well .
Or at least popular media seems to suggest that .
It makes a vague kind of sense that I ca n't entirely put my finger on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty sure the "no cameras" thing works like that in the USA, as well.
Or at least popular media seems to suggest that.
It makes a vague kind of sense that I can't entirely put my finger on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133254</id>
	<title>They took our jobs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266140820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First came stealing the assembly person's job in auto factories. Now they're stealing the jobs of artists. What's next, a robotic president?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First came stealing the assembly person 's job in auto factories .
Now they 're stealing the jobs of artists .
What 's next , a robotic president ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First came stealing the assembly person's job in auto factories.
Now they're stealing the jobs of artists.
What's next, a robotic president?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133054</id>
	<title>An unlikely extension</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1266178740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be interesting if it could watch you draw, then imitate your style as it draws other subjects. It isn't fun to re-draw the same subject over and over just to see how you progress. Instead you could use it to take each of your drawings and show you, say, a lightbulb would look. Plus it would be fun for people like me who like to draw on occasion but quickly get lazy. That way I could just draw half of something and let the robot finish it. Heck, you could use it to do one of those photo-every-day things, but instead of a photo it's a self-portrait based on your current drawing ability.
<br> <br>
Of course, if it became complex enough, it could analyze money and learn how to mimic that drawing style...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be interesting if it could watch you draw , then imitate your style as it draws other subjects .
It is n't fun to re-draw the same subject over and over just to see how you progress .
Instead you could use it to take each of your drawings and show you , say , a lightbulb would look .
Plus it would be fun for people like me who like to draw on occasion but quickly get lazy .
That way I could just draw half of something and let the robot finish it .
Heck , you could use it to do one of those photo-every-day things , but instead of a photo it 's a self-portrait based on your current drawing ability .
Of course , if it became complex enough , it could analyze money and learn how to mimic that drawing style.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be interesting if it could watch you draw, then imitate your style as it draws other subjects.
It isn't fun to re-draw the same subject over and over just to see how you progress.
Instead you could use it to take each of your drawings and show you, say, a lightbulb would look.
Plus it would be fun for people like me who like to draw on occasion but quickly get lazy.
That way I could just draw half of something and let the robot finish it.
Heck, you could use it to do one of those photo-every-day things, but instead of a photo it's a self-portrait based on your current drawing ability.
Of course, if it became complex enough, it could analyze money and learn how to mimic that drawing style...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133452</id>
	<title>Re:Stop the future, I wanna get off</title>
	<author>oztiks</author>
	<datestamp>1266145440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If porn industry augments this fantastic new technology and attaches a fleshlight too it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>You can get off!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If porn industry augments this fantastic new technology and attaches a fleshlight too it ...You can get off !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If porn industry augments this fantastic new technology and attaches a fleshlight too it ...You can get off!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133366</id>
	<title>Re:Stop the future, I wanna get off</title>
	<author>arielCo</author>
	<datestamp>1266143760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's just accepting the inevitable and accepting his new artiste overlord. Have you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's just accepting the inevitable and accepting his new artiste overlord .
Have you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's just accepting the inevitable and accepting his new artiste overlord.
Have you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133578</id>
	<title>misunderstanding</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1266147600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are some misunderstandings with the article.  <a href="http://www.biomed.engsoc.org/system/files/images/terminator-arm.jpg" title="engsoc.org">This</a> [engsoc.org] is the robotic arm in question.  And "Sketch" is Austrian slang for "pulverize."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are some misunderstandings with the article .
This [ engsoc.org ] is the robotic arm in question .
And " Sketch " is Austrian slang for " pulverize .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are some misunderstandings with the article.
This [engsoc.org] is the robotic arm in question.
And "Sketch" is Austrian slang for "pulverize.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31135092</id>
	<title>Mirror.</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1266169320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:bXLtSTi8\_nMJ:www.aikon-gold.com/+http://www.aikon-gold.com/&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=mozilla" title="74.125.155.132">http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:bXLtSTi8\_nMJ:www.aikon-gold.com/+http://www.aikon-gold.com/&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=mozilla</a> [74.125.155.132]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //74.125.155.132/search ? q = cache : bXLtSTi8 \ _nMJ : www.aikon-gold.com/ + http : //www.aikon-gold.com/&amp;cd = 1&amp;hl = en&amp;ct = clnk&amp;gl = us&amp;client = mozilla [ 74.125.155.132 ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:bXLtSTi8\_nMJ:www.aikon-gold.com/+http://www.aikon-gold.com/&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=mozilla [74.125.155.132] ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133010</id>
	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>clarkn0va</author>
	<datestamp>1266177840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(you think I'm kidding, don't you?)</p></div><p> <a href="http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&amp;q=court\%20sketch&amp;cr=countryCA&amp;oq=&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wi" title="google.ca">No.</a> [google.ca]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( you think I 'm kidding , do n't you ?
) No .
[ google.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(you think I'm kidding, don't you?
) No.
[google.ca]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31132980</id>
	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>ian\_from\_brisbane</author>
	<datestamp>1266091080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Its not allowed to take photographs in courts here in Victoria, Australia so newspapers employ sketch artists to sit in the court and draw portraits of the accused, witnesses, etc.</p><p>(you think I'm kidding, don't you?)</p></div><p>That may be dumb, but it's not as dumb as blurring or pixelating the <i>sketches</i> when they're shown on TV in Australia. (No, I'm not kidding either).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not allowed to take photographs in courts here in Victoria , Australia so newspapers employ sketch artists to sit in the court and draw portraits of the accused , witnesses , etc .
( you think I 'm kidding , do n't you ?
) That may be dumb , but it 's not as dumb as blurring or pixelating the sketches when they 're shown on TV in Australia .
( No , I 'm not kidding either ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not allowed to take photographs in courts here in Victoria, Australia so newspapers employ sketch artists to sit in the court and draw portraits of the accused, witnesses, etc.
(you think I'm kidding, don't you?
)That may be dumb, but it's not as dumb as blurring or pixelating the sketches when they're shown on TV in Australia.
(No, I'm not kidding either).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31135058</id>
	<title>It is far from impressive, really</title>
	<author>cos(x)</author>
	<datestamp>1266168960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw this robot at Kinetica. It was not very impressive. First of all, the hardware seemed poorly designed. It was incredibly shaky. When it drew a square around an image, the result were four wobbly lines that did not even connect.</p><p>The software, of course, is the more interesting part - and a complete mystery. They had a screen showing a program doing edge detection or something similar on a face. They had a camera that was supposed to capture visitors and draw their portraits. Other than that, nothing was written anywhere about how the software works.</p><p>They had some portraits hanging on the walls that looked really nice. But all the ones the robot drew live while I was there came out as a wobbly mess. Maybe it was broken or something... this was on the last day of the exhibition, it could have worn out I guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this robot at Kinetica .
It was not very impressive .
First of all , the hardware seemed poorly designed .
It was incredibly shaky .
When it drew a square around an image , the result were four wobbly lines that did not even connect.The software , of course , is the more interesting part - and a complete mystery .
They had a screen showing a program doing edge detection or something similar on a face .
They had a camera that was supposed to capture visitors and draw their portraits .
Other than that , nothing was written anywhere about how the software works.They had some portraits hanging on the walls that looked really nice .
But all the ones the robot drew live while I was there came out as a wobbly mess .
Maybe it was broken or something... this was on the last day of the exhibition , it could have worn out I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this robot at Kinetica.
It was not very impressive.
First of all, the hardware seemed poorly designed.
It was incredibly shaky.
When it drew a square around an image, the result were four wobbly lines that did not even connect.The software, of course, is the more interesting part - and a complete mystery.
They had a screen showing a program doing edge detection or something similar on a face.
They had a camera that was supposed to capture visitors and draw their portraits.
Other than that, nothing was written anywhere about how the software works.They had some portraits hanging on the walls that looked really nice.
But all the ones the robot drew live while I was there came out as a wobbly mess.
Maybe it was broken or something... this was on the last day of the exhibition, it could have worn out I guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31132970</id>
	<title>Thanks a whole fucking lot, boffins...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1266090960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everybody knows that the artists were starving already, and now they are going to be replaced by robots?!<br> <br>

In all seriousness, though, that is a pretty cool device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everybody knows that the artists were starving already , and now they are going to be replaced by robots ? !
In all seriousness , though , that is a pretty cool device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everybody knows that the artists were starving already, and now they are going to be replaced by robots?!
In all seriousness, though, that is a pretty cool device.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133006</id>
	<title>Computer facial recognition</title>
	<author>itsthebin</author>
	<datestamp>1266177840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I imagine the algorithims used could have an application to computer facial recognition from video footage.
<br>
<br>
for a big brother application you would just need a high enough correlation to be passed to a human for final judgement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine the algorithims used could have an application to computer facial recognition from video footage .
for a big brother application you would just need a high enough correlation to be passed to a human for final judgement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine the algorithims used could have an application to computer facial recognition from video footage.
for a big brother application you would just need a high enough correlation to be passed to a human for final judgement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133188</id>
	<title>Call me ancient, but...</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1266139260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 1980's called.  They want their pen plotter back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 1980 's called .
They want their pen plotter back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 1980's called.
They want their pen plotter back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133196</id>
	<title>Reprap Addition?</title>
	<author>Idou</author>
	<datestamp>1266139500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That way we can have <a href="http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome" title="reprap.org">self-fabricating robots</a> [reprap.org] that also self-assemble themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That way we can have self-fabricating robots [ reprap.org ] that also self-assemble themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That way we can have self-fabricating robots [reprap.org] that also self-assemble themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133250</id>
	<title>Been there done that</title>
	<author>eugenetinkerer</author>
	<datestamp>1266140760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously,  no one's posted the Lego version of this already?   Actually looks like the Lego bot does better depictions to the (un) trained eye<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

<a href="http://robotics.benedettelli.com/portrayer.htm" title="benedettelli.com" rel="nofollow">http://robotics.benedettelli.com/portrayer.htm</a> [benedettelli.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , no one 's posted the Lego version of this already ?
Actually looks like the Lego bot does better depictions to the ( un ) trained eye .. . http : //robotics.benedettelli.com/portrayer.htm [ benedettelli.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously,  no one's posted the Lego version of this already?
Actually looks like the Lego bot does better depictions to the (un) trained eye ...

http://robotics.benedettelli.com/portrayer.htm [benedettelli.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133708</id>
	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>JSG</author>
	<datestamp>1266150240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the same in the UK.</p><p>An undoctored photo can't be unrepresentative of the "action" but a sketch must always be subjective.  I suppose it avoids distractions caused by photographers moving around and the attendant flash. With a photographer roaming, you could even end up with the ridiculous state whereby the court "poses".</p><p>Perhaps a series of hidden cameras is the solution<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the same in the UK.An undoctored photo ca n't be unrepresentative of the " action " but a sketch must always be subjective .
I suppose it avoids distractions caused by photographers moving around and the attendant flash .
With a photographer roaming , you could even end up with the ridiculous state whereby the court " poses " .Perhaps a series of hidden cameras is the solution .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the same in the UK.An undoctored photo can't be unrepresentative of the "action" but a sketch must always be subjective.
I suppose it avoids distractions caused by photographers moving around and the attendant flash.
With a photographer roaming, you could even end up with the ridiculous state whereby the court "poses".Perhaps a series of hidden cameras is the solution ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133784</id>
	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266152100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's like that too in the Netherlands. Sometimes it leads to rather unwanted exaggerated results. For example this one:</p><p>Real person - convicted but almost certainly innocent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia\_de\_Berk):</p><p><a href="http://www.luciadeb.nl/luciana/Lucia12-wijst-op-kwal\_ORI.jpg" title="luciadeb.nl">http://www.luciadeb.nl/luciana/Lucia12-wijst-op-kwal\_ORI.jpg</a> [luciadeb.nl]</p><p>Sketch (note for example the nose):</p><p><a href="http://www.destentor.nl/multimedia/archive/00904/Zaak-Lucia\_de\_B\_\_wo\_904785b.jpg" title="destentor.nl">http://www.destentor.nl/multimedia/archive/00904/Zaak-Lucia\_de\_B\_\_wo\_904785b.jpg</a> [destentor.nl]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like that too in the Netherlands .
Sometimes it leads to rather unwanted exaggerated results .
For example this one : Real person - convicted but almost certainly innocent ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia \ _de \ _Berk ) : http : //www.luciadeb.nl/luciana/Lucia12-wijst-op-kwal \ _ORI.jpg [ luciadeb.nl ] Sketch ( note for example the nose ) : http : //www.destentor.nl/multimedia/archive/00904/Zaak-Lucia \ _de \ _B \ _ \ _wo \ _904785b.jpg [ destentor.nl ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like that too in the Netherlands.
Sometimes it leads to rather unwanted exaggerated results.
For example this one:Real person - convicted but almost certainly innocent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia\_de\_Berk):http://www.luciadeb.nl/luciana/Lucia12-wijst-op-kwal\_ORI.jpg [luciadeb.nl]Sketch (note for example the nose):http://www.destentor.nl/multimedia/archive/00904/Zaak-Lucia\_de\_B\_\_wo\_904785b.jpg [destentor.nl]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31132906</id>
	<title>Stop the future, I wanna get off</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1266089760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>at the Kinetica2010 art fair in London...the system drew faces non-stop, its creator having to take the role of an automata to repeatedly change the paper.</p></div></blockquote><p>The robot does fine art but the human changes the paper. Something is wrong here.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>at the Kinetica2010 art fair in London...the system drew faces non-stop , its creator having to take the role of an automata to repeatedly change the paper.The robot does fine art but the human changes the paper .
Something is wrong here .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>at the Kinetica2010 art fair in London...the system drew faces non-stop, its creator having to take the role of an automata to repeatedly change the paper.The robot does fine art but the human changes the paper.
Something is wrong here.
   
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133166</id>
	<title>I'm half impressed</title>
	<author>GospelHead821</author>
	<datestamp>1266138780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The technical challenge is pretty interesting.  I like to see tasks completed by a physical analogue.  The art is pretty sketchy, though.  I've seen "pencil sketch" photo booths in the mall that make prettier artwork.  Those have the advantage of going straight from the converted photograph to a printout of course.  When they figure out how to let a machine do shaded sketches with a stick of charcoal, I think that this will be ready to jump from technical oddity to marketable novelty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The technical challenge is pretty interesting .
I like to see tasks completed by a physical analogue .
The art is pretty sketchy , though .
I 've seen " pencil sketch " photo booths in the mall that make prettier artwork .
Those have the advantage of going straight from the converted photograph to a printout of course .
When they figure out how to let a machine do shaded sketches with a stick of charcoal , I think that this will be ready to jump from technical oddity to marketable novelty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The technical challenge is pretty interesting.
I like to see tasks completed by a physical analogue.
The art is pretty sketchy, though.
I've seen "pencil sketch" photo booths in the mall that make prettier artwork.
Those have the advantage of going straight from the converted photograph to a printout of course.
When they figure out how to let a machine do shaded sketches with a stick of charcoal, I think that this will be ready to jump from technical oddity to marketable novelty.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31134132</id>
	<title>I thought the article was about facelifts.</title>
	<author>oogoliegoogolie</author>
	<datestamp>1266159240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I misread the title as "Low-Cost Robotic Arm <i>Stretches</i> Faces."  That really didn't sound like it would be very fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I misread the title as " Low-Cost Robotic Arm Stretches Faces .
" That really did n't sound like it would be very fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I misread the title as "Low-Cost Robotic Arm Stretches Faces.
"  That really didn't sound like it would be very fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31140982</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1266172200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw this robot at Kinetica. It was not very impressive. First of all, the hardware seemed poorly designed. It was incredibly shaky. When it drew a square around an image, the result were four wobbly lines that did not even connect.The software, of course, is the more interesting part - and a complete mystery. They had a screen showing a program doing edge detection or something similar on a face. They had a camera that was supposed to capture visitors and draw their portraits. Other than that, nothing was</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this robot at Kinetica .
It was not very impressive .
First of all , the hardware seemed poorly designed .
It was incredibly shaky .
When it drew a square around an image , the result were four wobbly lines that did not even connect.The software , of course , is the more interesting part - and a complete mystery .
They had a screen showing a program doing edge detection or something similar on a face .
They had a camera that was supposed to capture visitors and draw their portraits .
Other than that , nothing was</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this robot at Kinetica.
It was not very impressive.
First of all, the hardware seemed poorly designed.
It was incredibly shaky.
When it drew a square around an image, the result were four wobbly lines that did not even connect.The software, of course, is the more interesting part - and a complete mystery.
They had a screen showing a program doing edge detection or something similar on a face.
They had a camera that was supposed to capture visitors and draw their portraits.
Other than that, nothing was</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31136730</id>
	<title>Looks painfully slow</title>
	<author>AlejoHausner</author>
	<datestamp>1266140040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking at the video, I would guess that it's doing some edge detection, stitching edge pixels into chains, and drawing each chain.  However, the chains seem to be drawn in arbitrary order, and the robot arm spends most of its time "seeking", pen up, to the start of the next chain.  It would have been nice to optimize the drawing order to get faster output.  Hell, a human would have drawn the sketch a lot faster.</p><p>Of course, obtaining the optimal sequence is equivalent to the traveling salesman problem, but there's lots of cheap and easy-to-implement approximations to the TSP that could have been used.</p><p>Alejo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking at the video , I would guess that it 's doing some edge detection , stitching edge pixels into chains , and drawing each chain .
However , the chains seem to be drawn in arbitrary order , and the robot arm spends most of its time " seeking " , pen up , to the start of the next chain .
It would have been nice to optimize the drawing order to get faster output .
Hell , a human would have drawn the sketch a lot faster.Of course , obtaining the optimal sequence is equivalent to the traveling salesman problem , but there 's lots of cheap and easy-to-implement approximations to the TSP that could have been used.Alejo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking at the video, I would guess that it's doing some edge detection, stitching edge pixels into chains, and drawing each chain.
However, the chains seem to be drawn in arbitrary order, and the robot arm spends most of its time "seeking", pen up, to the start of the next chain.
It would have been nice to optimize the drawing order to get faster output.
Hell, a human would have drawn the sketch a lot faster.Of course, obtaining the optimal sequence is equivalent to the traveling salesman problem, but there's lots of cheap and easy-to-implement approximations to the TSP that could have been used.Alejo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31134052</id>
	<title>Re:Stop the future, I wanna get off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266157620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me guess, building the arm to draw the pictures was trivial. While building an arm to change the paper is impossible to do with current robotic technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess , building the arm to draw the pictures was trivial .
While building an arm to change the paper is impossible to do with current robotic technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess, building the arm to draw the pictures was trivial.
While building an arm to change the paper is impossible to do with current robotic technology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133998</id>
	<title>Re:Hardware is standard, software unknown</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266156240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Considerable work has been done on facial feature detection.</i></p><p>It seems to be missing a pretty fundamental feature: a line sorter. Why does the arm whip all over the page making a line here and a line there? It would be much faster if it jumped from one endpoint to the next closest one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considerable work has been done on facial feature detection.It seems to be missing a pretty fundamental feature : a line sorter .
Why does the arm whip all over the page making a line here and a line there ?
It would be much faster if it jumped from one endpoint to the next closest one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considerable work has been done on facial feature detection.It seems to be missing a pretty fundamental feature: a line sorter.
Why does the arm whip all over the page making a line here and a line there?
It would be much faster if it jumped from one endpoint to the next closest one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133114</id>
	<title>Hardware is standard, software unknown</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1266180360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The robot arm is straightforward.  It looks like it's built out of <a href="http://www.trossenrobotics.com/dynamixel-ax-12-robot-actuator.aspx" title="trossenrobotics.com">Dynamixel servos</a> [trossenrobotics.com], which are good little programmable servomotors used for the better end of hobbyist robotics.  (After 25 years, finally something better than one-way pulse code modulation for hobby servo control.  These things use a 1mb/s bidirectional multidrop serial bus.)  There are standard brackets for making robot arms and legs, and it looks like they just bolted the thing together from the stock parts kit.
</p><p>
It's not clear how much the software knows about faces.  That's the important part. Considerable work has been done on facial feature detection.  There are <a href="http://www.seestorm.com/technologies/cv/" title="seestorm.com">commercial</a> [seestorm.com] <a href="http://www.omron.com/r\_d/coretech/vision/okao.html" title="omron.com">products</a> [omron.com] available.  Most of them ignore hairstyle, though, since they're aimed at face recognition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The robot arm is straightforward .
It looks like it 's built out of Dynamixel servos [ trossenrobotics.com ] , which are good little programmable servomotors used for the better end of hobbyist robotics .
( After 25 years , finally something better than one-way pulse code modulation for hobby servo control .
These things use a 1mb/s bidirectional multidrop serial bus .
) There are standard brackets for making robot arms and legs , and it looks like they just bolted the thing together from the stock parts kit .
It 's not clear how much the software knows about faces .
That 's the important part .
Considerable work has been done on facial feature detection .
There are commercial [ seestorm.com ] products [ omron.com ] available .
Most of them ignore hairstyle , though , since they 're aimed at face recognition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The robot arm is straightforward.
It looks like it's built out of Dynamixel servos [trossenrobotics.com], which are good little programmable servomotors used for the better end of hobbyist robotics.
(After 25 years, finally something better than one-way pulse code modulation for hobby servo control.
These things use a 1mb/s bidirectional multidrop serial bus.
)  There are standard brackets for making robot arms and legs, and it looks like they just bolted the thing together from the stock parts kit.
It's not clear how much the software knows about faces.
That's the important part.
Considerable work has been done on facial feature detection.
There are commercial [seestorm.com] products [omron.com] available.
Most of them ignore hairstyle, though, since they're aimed at face recognition.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31134108</id>
	<title>Re:Hardware is standard, software unknown</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266158580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi Animats,</p><p>Yes these servos are great...<br>About the software this version is extremely rudimentary. However it locates the face (opencv), moves the camera to center the face in the frame...<br>After it locates eyes, mouth, vertical axis horizontal axis...<br>The drawing is based responses from Gabor filters at limited orientations, scales, etc..<br>The system on show was the first test program I wrote for the arm. I finished the program during the exhibition. I needed to have it draw people....<br>The feature localisation is not the most important/problematic part. The most problematic part is to have it to draw. In a drawing the lines represented are not present nor detectable in "reality". They are totally reconstructed.<br>However the most important outcome from this experiment is that I now have a cheap platform to do some experiments. The next step is for the system to look at what it is drawing.</p><p>Thank you for your comments</p><p>Best</p><p>Patrick</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi Animats,Yes these servos are great...About the software this version is extremely rudimentary .
However it locates the face ( opencv ) , moves the camera to center the face in the frame...After it locates eyes , mouth , vertical axis horizontal axis...The drawing is based responses from Gabor filters at limited orientations , scales , etc..The system on show was the first test program I wrote for the arm .
I finished the program during the exhibition .
I needed to have it draw people....The feature localisation is not the most important/problematic part .
The most problematic part is to have it to draw .
In a drawing the lines represented are not present nor detectable in " reality " .
They are totally reconstructed.However the most important outcome from this experiment is that I now have a cheap platform to do some experiments .
The next step is for the system to look at what it is drawing.Thank you for your commentsBestPatrick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi Animats,Yes these servos are great...About the software this version is extremely rudimentary.
However it locates the face (opencv), moves the camera to center the face in the frame...After it locates eyes, mouth, vertical axis horizontal axis...The drawing is based responses from Gabor filters at limited orientations, scales, etc..The system on show was the first test program I wrote for the arm.
I finished the program during the exhibition.
I needed to have it draw people....The feature localisation is not the most important/problematic part.
The most problematic part is to have it to draw.
In a drawing the lines represented are not present nor detectable in "reality".
They are totally reconstructed.However the most important outcome from this experiment is that I now have a cheap platform to do some experiments.
The next step is for the system to look at what it is drawing.Thank you for your commentsBestPatrick</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133768</id>
	<title>Grammar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266151560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Singular is "automaton", plural is "automata".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Singular is " automaton " , plural is " automata " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Singular is "automaton", plural is "automata".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31132864</id>
	<title>First</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266089100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Post.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133936</id>
	<title>Re:Hardware is standard, software unknown</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266154920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are <a href="http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/" title="willowgarage.com" rel="nofollow">free</a> [willowgarage.com] <a href="http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/FaceDetection" title="willowgarage.com" rel="nofollow">products</a> [willowgarage.com] for face detection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are free [ willowgarage.com ] products [ willowgarage.com ] for face detection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are free [willowgarage.com] products [willowgarage.com] for face detection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31132962</id>
	<title>Interrogation possibilities</title>
	<author>RichM</author>
	<datestamp>1266090660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Etch-a-sketch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Etch-a-sketch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Etch-a-sketch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133104</id>
	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1266180060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Incidently some of the artists used recently seem to have been influenced by the impressionist school of drawing because the drawings they make don't always resemble the subject.</i> <br> <br>
I thought that was the idea.  Given that the suspect is currently presumed innocent, they deserve a little privacy and don't need to be recorded in the media in a way that associates them with a crime.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Incidently some of the artists used recently seem to have been influenced by the impressionist school of drawing because the drawings they make do n't always resemble the subject .
I thought that was the idea .
Given that the suspect is currently presumed innocent , they deserve a little privacy and do n't need to be recorded in the media in a way that associates them with a crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incidently some of the artists used recently seem to have been influenced by the impressionist school of drawing because the drawings they make don't always resemble the subject.
I thought that was the idea.
Given that the suspect is currently presumed innocent, they deserve a little privacy and don't need to be recorded in the media in a way that associates them with a crime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133044</id>
	<title>Wassup with all these robot stories of late?</title>
	<author>kai\_hiwatari</author>
	<datestamp>1266178620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There has been too many robot related news here on slashdot.
Are the robots taking over the world faster that we expected?</htmltext>
<tokenext>There has been too many robot related news here on slashdot .
Are the robots taking over the world faster that we expected ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There has been too many robot related news here on slashdot.
Are the robots taking over the world faster that we expected?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133244</id>
	<title>Two faced?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266140640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does it only draw 2 faces for Blacks ?  If Voice of person  has Ebonics even a trace<br>, it always  draws same face , looks like Buckwheat<br>If however  they have not a trace of Ebonics in their voice ,<br>instead, it draws a cookie with a white center and Black outside and spits out the words bad man bad man very bad man Please explain  this,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does it only draw 2 faces for Blacks ?
If Voice of person has Ebonics even a trace , it always draws same face , looks like BuckwheatIf however they have not a trace of Ebonics in their voice ,instead , it draws a cookie with a white center and Black outside and spits out the words bad man bad man very bad man Please explain this,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does it only draw 2 faces for Blacks ?
If Voice of person  has Ebonics even a trace, it always  draws same face , looks like BuckwheatIf however  they have not a trace of Ebonics in their voice ,instead, it draws a cookie with a white center and Black outside and spits out the words bad man bad man very bad man Please explain  this,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31132952</id>
	<title>Court artist?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1266090540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not allowed to take photographs in courts here in Victoria, Australia so newspapers employ sketch artists to sit in the court and draw portraits of the accused, witnesses, etc.</p><p>(you think I'm kidding, don't you?)</p><p>Anyway I wonder if you could take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do.</p><p>Incidently some of the artists used recently seem to have been influenced by the impressionist school of drawing because the drawings they make don't always resemble the subject.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not allowed to take photographs in courts here in Victoria , Australia so newspapers employ sketch artists to sit in the court and draw portraits of the accused , witnesses , etc .
( you think I 'm kidding , do n't you ?
) Anyway I wonder if you could take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do.Incidently some of the artists used recently seem to have been influenced by the impressionist school of drawing because the drawings they make do n't always resemble the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not allowed to take photographs in courts here in Victoria, Australia so newspapers employ sketch artists to sit in the court and draw portraits of the accused, witnesses, etc.
(you think I'm kidding, don't you?
)Anyway I wonder if you could take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do.Incidently some of the artists used recently seem to have been influenced by the impressionist school of drawing because the drawings they make don't always resemble the subject.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31133094</id>
	<title>Also known as a plotter.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266179760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had one back in 1989.</p><p>Not that cool really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had one back in 1989.Not that cool really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had one back in 1989.Not that cool really.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31136682</id>
	<title>Low cost robotic arms?</title>
	<author>sourcerror</author>
	<datestamp>1266139740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess the real news here is that there are low cost robotic arms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the real news here is that there are low cost robotic arms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the real news here is that there are low cost robotic arms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31140398</id>
	<title>Re:They took our jobs!</title>
	<author>aXis100</author>
	<datestamp>1266166200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, just like cameras and photocipiers stole the work of artists too.</p><p>The robot is a tool, and may need some form of an artist to program or operate it.  It's no worse than going from baking your own charcoal to using a modern pencil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , just like cameras and photocipiers stole the work of artists too.The robot is a tool , and may need some form of an artist to program or operate it .
It 's no worse than going from baking your own charcoal to using a modern pencil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, just like cameras and photocipiers stole the work of artists too.The robot is a tool, and may need some form of an artist to program or operate it.
It's no worse than going from baking your own charcoal to using a modern pencil.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31134382</id>
	<title>OTHER site about AIKON (accessible)</title>
	<author>ptresset</author>
	<datestamp>1266162360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Sorry for the interruption of service

<a href="http://www.gold.ac.uk/computing/showcaseofwork/aikon-researchprojectpatricktressetandfredericfolleymarie/" title="gold.ac.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.gold.ac.uk/computing/showcaseofwork/aikon-researchprojectpatricktressetandfredericfolleymarie/</a> [gold.ac.uk]


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOtQAhblRps" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOtQAhblRps</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry for the interruption of service http : //www.gold.ac.uk/computing/showcaseofwork/aikon-researchprojectpatricktressetandfredericfolleymarie/ [ gold.ac.uk ] http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = AOtQAhblRps [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Sorry for the interruption of service

http://www.gold.ac.uk/computing/showcaseofwork/aikon-researchprojectpatricktressetandfredericfolleymarie/ [gold.ac.uk]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOtQAhblRps [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266152460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>@"take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do."</p><p>I imagine questions like that of the social and even legal issues of ever more machines doing human tasks are slowly going to dominate especially the latter half of the 21st century, as machines move into ever more human areas of work. Interesting times ahead.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Personally for the most part, I can't wait. I want to be freed from this modern form of slavery we call a job, so I can focus totally on my own research and development work simply for the fun of doing it. That would be a far better way to live that currently having to waste most of each day doing what my bosses want me to do, simply so I can afford to live. In theory a world where the machines done most of the work would free us all to do what we want, but I suspect it won't be like that without legal action being required to stop a small minority of powerful people abusing the vast majority of people.</p><p>Ironically I strongly suspect and fear the problem and danger is going to a minority of powerful humans and not the machines. The biggest problems I think will be caused by a minority of powerful humans in high places who will use ever more machines to boost their wealth and power to obscenely ridiculous levels, whilst micromanaging the vast majority of us into a poverty stricken lifestyle, just so they can hold onto power over us all. (We are getting some of that even now).</p><p>I find it so ironic that a minority of powerful humans are far more likely to be a threat to us all than the machines, but I guess thats been the case throughout history, regardless of which era and level of technology we look at. Its not the tools and machines, its what an arrogant minority of people do with the tools, that will be, and has always been the core problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>@ " take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do .
" I imagine questions like that of the social and even legal issues of ever more machines doing human tasks are slowly going to dominate especially the latter half of the 21st century , as machines move into ever more human areas of work .
Interesting times ahead .
: ) Personally for the most part , I ca n't wait .
I want to be freed from this modern form of slavery we call a job , so I can focus totally on my own research and development work simply for the fun of doing it .
That would be a far better way to live that currently having to waste most of each day doing what my bosses want me to do , simply so I can afford to live .
In theory a world where the machines done most of the work would free us all to do what we want , but I suspect it wo n't be like that without legal action being required to stop a small minority of powerful people abusing the vast majority of people.Ironically I strongly suspect and fear the problem and danger is going to a minority of powerful humans and not the machines .
The biggest problems I think will be caused by a minority of powerful humans in high places who will use ever more machines to boost their wealth and power to obscenely ridiculous levels , whilst micromanaging the vast majority of us into a poverty stricken lifestyle , just so they can hold onto power over us all .
( We are getting some of that even now ) .I find it so ironic that a minority of powerful humans are far more likely to be a threat to us all than the machines , but I guess thats been the case throughout history , regardless of which era and level of technology we look at .
Its not the tools and machines , its what an arrogant minority of people do with the tools , that will be , and has always been the core problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>@"take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do.
"I imagine questions like that of the social and even legal issues of ever more machines doing human tasks are slowly going to dominate especially the latter half of the 21st century, as machines move into ever more human areas of work.
Interesting times ahead.
:)Personally for the most part, I can't wait.
I want to be freed from this modern form of slavery we call a job, so I can focus totally on my own research and development work simply for the fun of doing it.
That would be a far better way to live that currently having to waste most of each day doing what my bosses want me to do, simply so I can afford to live.
In theory a world where the machines done most of the work would free us all to do what we want, but I suspect it won't be like that without legal action being required to stop a small minority of powerful people abusing the vast majority of people.Ironically I strongly suspect and fear the problem and danger is going to a minority of powerful humans and not the machines.
The biggest problems I think will be caused by a minority of powerful humans in high places who will use ever more machines to boost their wealth and power to obscenely ridiculous levels, whilst micromanaging the vast majority of us into a poverty stricken lifestyle, just so they can hold onto power over us all.
(We are getting some of that even now).I find it so ironic that a minority of powerful humans are far more likely to be a threat to us all than the machines, but I guess thats been the case throughout history, regardless of which era and level of technology we look at.
Its not the tools and machines, its what an arrogant minority of people do with the tools, that will be, and has always been the core problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31134204</id>
	<title>Exceeded the limited bandwidth ...Solution</title>
	<author>ptresset</author>
	<datestamp>1266160380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>please look on youtube!!!!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOtQAhblRps" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOtQAhblRps</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>please look on youtube ! ! ! !
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = AOtQAhblRps [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>please look on youtube!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOtQAhblRps [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>There are non-low-cost exhibits like that...</title>
	<author>iNetRunner</author>
	<datestamp>1266149820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is an <a href="http://www.abb.com/cawp/seitp202/cb7c4a163c834f94c125767300398836.aspx" title="abb.com" rel="nofollow">exhibit</a> [abb.com] in China Science and Technology Museum that also draws pictures. This is made of four ABB robots, so perhaps the cost is a bit more.. =)</p><p>Sorry, I could not find any representative pictures what this exhibit draws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an exhibit [ abb.com ] in China Science and Technology Museum that also draws pictures .
This is made of four ABB robots , so perhaps the cost is a bit more.. = ) Sorry , I could not find any representative pictures what this exhibit draws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an exhibit [abb.com] in China Science and Technology Museum that also draws pictures.
This is made of four ABB robots, so perhaps the cost is a bit more.. =)Sorry, I could not find any representative pictures what this exhibit draws.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266160260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I find it so ironic that a minority of powerful humans are far more likely to be a threat to us all than the machines, but I guess thats been the case throughout history, regardless of which era and level of technology we look at. Its not the tools and machines, its what an arrogant minority of people do with the tools, that will be, and has always been the core problem.</p></div><p>'Twas ever thus.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it so ironic that a minority of powerful humans are far more likely to be a threat to us all than the machines , but I guess thats been the case throughout history , regardless of which era and level of technology we look at .
Its not the tools and machines , its what an arrogant minority of people do with the tools , that will be , and has always been the core problem .
'T was ever thus.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it so ironic that a minority of powerful humans are far more likely to be a threat to us all than the machines, but I guess thats been the case throughout history, regardless of which era and level of technology we look at.
Its not the tools and machines, its what an arrogant minority of people do with the tools, that will be, and has always been the core problem.
'Twas ever thus.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite [wikipedia.org]
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	<title>Re:They took our jobs!</title>
	<author>ptresset</author>
	<datestamp>1266164940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>
Sure!!! you would have been happy to work on the assembly line....


I was an artist amongst thousands unable to live from my work....

I am more concerned about the use (present/near future) of robots in warfare, than of robots doing doodles...

You are going to see more and more robots, you better get used to it.

Best

Patrick tresset</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure ! ! !
you would have been happy to work on the assembly line... . I was an artist amongst thousands unable to live from my work... . I am more concerned about the use ( present/near future ) of robots in warfare , than of robots doing doodles.. . You are going to see more and more robots , you better get used to it .
Best Patrick tresset</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Sure!!!
you would have been happy to work on the assembly line....


I was an artist amongst thousands unable to live from my work....

I am more concerned about the use (present/near future) of robots in warfare, than of robots doing doodles...

You are going to see more and more robots, you better get used to it.
Best

Patrick tresset</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31134722</id>
	<title>Re:Hardware is standard, software unknown</title>
	<author>ptresset</author>
	<datestamp>1266166020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I thought I answered...
These servos are great...and so cheap..

About the software.
It is very rudimentary..I needed something to show at the exhibition.
It looks around, locates a face (opencv's haar detector and/or skin colour)
Moves the camera to center the face.
Locates eyes, mouth. Vertical/horizontal axis
The drawing is based on the responses from Gabor filters (http://www.cs.rug.nl/~imaging/)(best approximations of simple cells in early visual cortex (V1))) at various scales and limited orientations...
The issue is not the feature detection..but the drawing activity in itself. The next step will be for the system to look at what it is drawing....

Best</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought I answered.. . These servos are great...and so cheap. . About the software .
It is very rudimentary..I needed something to show at the exhibition .
It looks around , locates a face ( opencv 's haar detector and/or skin colour ) Moves the camera to center the face .
Locates eyes , mouth .
Vertical/horizontal axis The drawing is based on the responses from Gabor filters ( http : //www.cs.rug.nl/ ~ imaging/ ) ( best approximations of simple cells in early visual cortex ( V1 ) ) ) at various scales and limited orientations.. . The issue is not the feature detection..but the drawing activity in itself .
The next step will be for the system to look at what it is drawing... . Best</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought I answered...
These servos are great...and so cheap..

About the software.
It is very rudimentary..I needed something to show at the exhibition.
It looks around, locates a face (opencv's haar detector and/or skin colour)
Moves the camera to center the face.
Locates eyes, mouth.
Vertical/horizontal axis
The drawing is based on the responses from Gabor filters (http://www.cs.rug.nl/~imaging/)(best approximations of simple cells in early visual cortex (V1))) at various scales and limited orientations...
The issue is not the feature detection..but the drawing activity in itself.
The next step will be for the system to look at what it is drawing....

Best</sentencetext>
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	<title>What would impress me</title>
	<author>Baron\_Yam</author>
	<datestamp>1266164700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd RTFA, but it's down...</p><p>What would impress me would be if it did facial recognition to find the face, then tried drawing using the arm, compared the drawing to the image and adjusted as it went until it was finally graded 'acceptable' by a human, at which point it would lock down its algorithm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd RTFA , but it 's down...What would impress me would be if it did facial recognition to find the face , then tried drawing using the arm , compared the drawing to the image and adjusted as it went until it was finally graded 'acceptable ' by a human , at which point it would lock down its algorithm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd RTFA, but it's down...What would impress me would be if it did facial recognition to find the face, then tried drawing using the arm, compared the drawing to the image and adjusted as it went until it was finally graded 'acceptable' by a human, at which point it would lock down its algorithm.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_14_0155238.31134160</id>
	<title>Re:Hardware is standard, software unknown</title>
	<author>ptresset</author>
	<datestamp>1266159720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>sorry I posted my previous reply anonymously

Patrick</htmltext>
<tokenext>sorry I posted my previous reply anonymously Patrick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sorry I posted my previous reply anonymously

Patrick</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Court artist?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266150360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyway I wonder if you could take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do.</p></div><p>Not if it's like UK courts. The artist can sit in on the trial, but can't draw while in the court room.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyway I wonder if you could take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do.Not if it 's like UK courts .
The artist can sit in on the trial , but ca n't draw while in the court room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyway I wonder if you could take this machine into court and claim that it is only doing what an artist would do.Not if it's like UK courts.
The artist can sit in on the trial, but can't draw while in the court room.
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	<title>Re:They took our jobs!</title>
	<author>Spatial</author>
	<datestamp>1266170940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Hopefully they'll steal every job on the entire planet.<br> <br>

I have better things to do with my life than working.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully they 'll steal every job on the entire planet .
I have better things to do with my life than working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully they'll steal every job on the entire planet.
I have better things to do with my life than working.</sentencetext>
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