<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_13_2011223</id>
	<title>HP's New Data Center Cooled By Glacial Wind</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266049740000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Arvisp writes with this snippet about HP's recently completed datacenter in northeast England, which utilizes the glacial wind blowing off the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North\_sea">North Sea</a> to lower temperatures of IT equipment and plant rooms: <i>"The Wynyard takes in the cool air, filters it accordingly and collects it in the management system and is then forced over the front of the server racks before it is exhausted. The result is a <a href="http://ibtimes.com.au/articles/20100212/hp-wynyard.htm">hall with a constant temperature of 24C</a>. When the winds become even colder than usual, the exhausted heat is mixed with the outside air to maintain temperatures."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arvisp writes with this snippet about HP 's recently completed datacenter in northeast England , which utilizes the glacial wind blowing off the North Sea to lower temperatures of IT equipment and plant rooms : " The Wynyard takes in the cool air , filters it accordingly and collects it in the management system and is then forced over the front of the server racks before it is exhausted .
The result is a hall with a constant temperature of 24C .
When the winds become even colder than usual , the exhausted heat is mixed with the outside air to maintain temperatures .
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<sentencetext>Arvisp writes with this snippet about HP's recently completed datacenter in northeast England, which utilizes the glacial wind blowing off the North Sea to lower temperatures of IT equipment and plant rooms: "The Wynyard takes in the cool air, filters it accordingly and collects it in the management system and is then forced over the front of the server racks before it is exhausted.
The result is a hall with a constant temperature of 24C.
When the winds become even colder than usual, the exhausted heat is mixed with the outside air to maintain temperatures.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31134614</id>
	<title>Re:Total cost</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1266165000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Did they add the cost to get the power, connectivity, equipment and personnel up there?  And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it?</p></div><p>It's in a town, population 35k, near some much larger towns (surrounding area has population 1M). It's probably better connected to roads and railways than most towns that size in the USA. I could drive there from London in 412 hours (or 4 hours by train), but there will be plenty of demand from much nearer places.</p><p>Power will be cheaper than in the south of England (to try and balance the load on the National Grid, many electricity-hungry factories are in the north). Connectivity isn't really an issue, it's only 250 miles from London, only 40 miles from Newcastle (pop. 800,000), and not far from undersea cables to Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway. Personnel will be cheaper than in the south of England, since the wages the banks in London can afford to pay distort things.</p><p>I don't know where a similar place in North America would be. Halifax, NS?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did they add the cost to get the power , connectivity , equipment and personnel up there ?
And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it ? It 's in a town , population 35k , near some much larger towns ( surrounding area has population 1M ) .
It 's probably better connected to roads and railways than most towns that size in the USA .
I could drive there from London in 412 hours ( or 4 hours by train ) , but there will be plenty of demand from much nearer places.Power will be cheaper than in the south of England ( to try and balance the load on the National Grid , many electricity-hungry factories are in the north ) .
Connectivity is n't really an issue , it 's only 250 miles from London , only 40 miles from Newcastle ( pop .
800,000 ) , and not far from undersea cables to Denmark , the Netherlands and Norway .
Personnel will be cheaper than in the south of England , since the wages the banks in London can afford to pay distort things.I do n't know where a similar place in North America would be .
Halifax , NS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did they add the cost to get the power, connectivity, equipment and personnel up there?
And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it?It's in a town, population 35k, near some much larger towns (surrounding area has population 1M).
It's probably better connected to roads and railways than most towns that size in the USA.
I could drive there from London in 412 hours (or 4 hours by train), but there will be plenty of demand from much nearer places.Power will be cheaper than in the south of England (to try and balance the load on the National Grid, many electricity-hungry factories are in the north).
Connectivity isn't really an issue, it's only 250 miles from London, only 40 miles from Newcastle (pop.
800,000), and not far from undersea cables to Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway.
Personnel will be cheaper than in the south of England, since the wages the banks in London can afford to pay distort things.I don't know where a similar place in North America would be.
Halifax, NS?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129772</id>
	<title>Re:North sea has melted</title>
	<author>iggymanz</author>
	<datestamp>1266054480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dang, the same thing happened here in North America, the native americans can't walk back to visit their relatives in Mongolia any more.  They should have used some forsitght and done  "cap and trade" instead of making all those carbon dioxide emitting cooking fires!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dang , the same thing happened here in North America , the native americans ca n't walk back to visit their relatives in Mongolia any more .
They should have used some forsitght and done " cap and trade " instead of making all those carbon dioxide emitting cooking fires !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dang, the same thing happened here in North America, the native americans can't walk back to visit their relatives in Mongolia any more.
They should have used some forsitght and done  "cap and trade" instead of making all those carbon dioxide emitting cooking fires!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129670</id>
	<title>Total cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266053880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With a Power Usage Effectiveness (PUE) rating of 1.2 PUE or for every 1.2 watt used to power the equipment, 1 watt is used for cooling, the Wynyard data center is currently HP's most efficient data center.</p></div><p>Did they add the cost to get the power, connectivity, equipment and personnel up there?  And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With a Power Usage Effectiveness ( PUE ) rating of 1.2 PUE or for every 1.2 watt used to power the equipment , 1 watt is used for cooling , the Wynyard data center is currently HP 's most efficient data center.Did they add the cost to get the power , connectivity , equipment and personnel up there ?
And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a Power Usage Effectiveness (PUE) rating of 1.2 PUE or for every 1.2 watt used to power the equipment, 1 watt is used for cooling, the Wynyard data center is currently HP's most efficient data center.Did they add the cost to get the power, connectivity, equipment and personnel up there?
And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129816</id>
	<title>Hey, now heres a solution I can really get behind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266054840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Data Center cooling solutions for the future!</p><p>Park the servers in the arctic!</p><p>I for one highly support this idea as it is not only incredibly efficient but since I live in Iqaluit(its on Baffin Island, in Canada) I might finally get that Fibre line I've always dreamed of!</p><p>I've actually been doing something similar involving my gaming PC, patio door, insulation and air conduits. that -40c air makes for some great overclocking headroom! Plus the average 1-2\% humidity means theres no measurable frost buildup on the PC internals either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Data Center cooling solutions for the future ! Park the servers in the arctic ! I for one highly support this idea as it is not only incredibly efficient but since I live in Iqaluit ( its on Baffin Island , in Canada ) I might finally get that Fibre line I 've always dreamed of ! I 've actually been doing something similar involving my gaming PC , patio door , insulation and air conduits .
that -40c air makes for some great overclocking headroom !
Plus the average 1-2 \ % humidity means theres no measurable frost buildup on the PC internals either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Data Center cooling solutions for the future!Park the servers in the arctic!I for one highly support this idea as it is not only incredibly efficient but since I live in Iqaluit(its on Baffin Island, in Canada) I might finally get that Fibre line I've always dreamed of!I've actually been doing something similar involving my gaming PC, patio door, insulation and air conduits.
that -40c air makes for some great overclocking headroom!
Plus the average 1-2\% humidity means theres no measurable frost buildup on the PC internals either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130002</id>
	<title>Re:Total cost</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1266056460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's England, it's not exactly a struggle to cross the country in less than day so I'm not sure you can call any part of England remote wilderness.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's England , it 's not exactly a struggle to cross the country in less than day so I 'm not sure you can call any part of England remote wilderness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's England, it's not exactly a struggle to cross the country in less than day so I'm not sure you can call any part of England remote wilderness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129884</id>
	<title>For anyone else who thinks 24 deg sounds hot</title>
	<author>monoi</author>
	<datestamp>1266055500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...then <a href="http://labs.google.com/papers/disk\_failures.pdf" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [google.com] is an interesting read.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...then this [ google.com ] is an interesting read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...then this [google.com] is an interesting read.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130832</id>
	<title>cold wind 24x7?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266063420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if cold wind will be enough............considering it wont blow 24x7</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if cold wind will be enough............considering it wont blow 24x7</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if cold wind will be enough............considering it wont blow 24x7</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129990</id>
	<title>Re: Salt Spray?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266056340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Air blowing over sea water usually contains quite a bit of salt. I wonder how they will deal with the salt.</p></div><p>This is slashdot, where nobody RTFA, but it is really too much to ask that people RTF Summary?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"The Wynyard takes in the cool air, <b>filters it accordingly</b>..."</p></div><p>[emphasis mine]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Air blowing over sea water usually contains quite a bit of salt .
I wonder how they will deal with the salt.This is slashdot , where nobody RTFA , but it is really too much to ask that people RTF Summary ?
" The Wynyard takes in the cool air , filters it accordingly... " [ emphasis mine ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Air blowing over sea water usually contains quite a bit of salt.
I wonder how they will deal with the salt.This is slashdot, where nobody RTFA, but it is really too much to ask that people RTF Summary?
"The Wynyard takes in the cool air, filters it accordingly..."[emphasis mine]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129790</id>
	<title>Maybe the Himalayas are next . . . ?</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1266054540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> . . . great views out your data center window . . . great opportunities for winter sports fans . . . oh, and did I mention the mountain climbing . . . ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
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great views out your data center window .
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great opportunities for winter sports fans .
. .
oh , and did I mention the mountain climbing .
. .
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> .
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great views out your data center window .
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great opportunities for winter sports fans .
. .
oh, and did I mention the mountain climbing .
. .
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129936</id>
	<title>Gay Ninjas Get The Job Done (TM) (R)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266055860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft is proud to release:</p><p>Gay Ninjas From Outer Space</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is proud to release : Gay Ninjas From Outer Space</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is proud to release:Gay Ninjas From Outer Space</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129758</id>
	<title>Before you greens point out the future downsides</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266054360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do know that this same group has an alternative cooling system engineered using the natural heat gradient of drowning polar bears. So they are covered either way. Quite forward looking and nicely hedged if you ask me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do know that this same group has an alternative cooling system engineered using the natural heat gradient of drowning polar bears .
So they are covered either way .
Quite forward looking and nicely hedged if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do know that this same group has an alternative cooling system engineered using the natural heat gradient of drowning polar bears.
So they are covered either way.
Quite forward looking and nicely hedged if you ask me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130310</id>
	<title>Re:Not in TFA: It has a 12-foot raised floor</title>
	<author>twiddlingbits</author>
	<datestamp>1266059040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It also didn't mention that EDS had this Data Center planned, designed and construction underway BEFORE the "merger" (aka purchase of EDS accounts not people) with HP.  HP didn't know much about running Data Centers until they bought EDS, and now they are taking credit for the work done by EDS before HP bought them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It also did n't mention that EDS had this Data Center planned , designed and construction underway BEFORE the " merger " ( aka purchase of EDS accounts not people ) with HP .
HP did n't know much about running Data Centers until they bought EDS , and now they are taking credit for the work done by EDS before HP bought them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It also didn't mention that EDS had this Data Center planned, designed and construction underway BEFORE the "merger" (aka purchase of EDS accounts not people) with HP.
HP didn't know much about running Data Centers until they bought EDS, and now they are taking credit for the work done by EDS before HP bought them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129954</id>
	<title>Global warming?</title>
	<author>lordmatrix</author>
	<datestamp>1266056040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is it just me or does anyone else think that a great contributor to global warming is the method with which we create and consume power. We produce most of the electricity with steam and that steam needs to cool off before it can become steam again. They way that steam is cooled is either with water or surrounding air. Every nuclear reactor needs to be next to a river if the outside air is not cold enough. The river on which our reactor is built is 4C hotter after it passes the power plant because it's used to cool the steam. And that temperature increase is constant, all the time. Coal power plants do the same. Then, on the consumer side, we also convert much of that electricity into heat, with inefficient light bulbs, cars (thats why the engine needs a heatsink and a fan), electronic equipment, etc... If your computer uses 150W, thats 150W of heat output per hour. Human body outputs on average ~100Wh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or does anyone else think that a great contributor to global warming is the method with which we create and consume power .
We produce most of the electricity with steam and that steam needs to cool off before it can become steam again .
They way that steam is cooled is either with water or surrounding air .
Every nuclear reactor needs to be next to a river if the outside air is not cold enough .
The river on which our reactor is built is 4C hotter after it passes the power plant because it 's used to cool the steam .
And that temperature increase is constant , all the time .
Coal power plants do the same .
Then , on the consumer side , we also convert much of that electricity into heat , with inefficient light bulbs , cars ( thats why the engine needs a heatsink and a fan ) , electronic equipment , etc... If your computer uses 150W , thats 150W of heat output per hour .
Human body outputs on average ~ 100Wh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or does anyone else think that a great contributor to global warming is the method with which we create and consume power.
We produce most of the electricity with steam and that steam needs to cool off before it can become steam again.
They way that steam is cooled is either with water or surrounding air.
Every nuclear reactor needs to be next to a river if the outside air is not cold enough.
The river on which our reactor is built is 4C hotter after it passes the power plant because it's used to cool the steam.
And that temperature increase is constant, all the time.
Coal power plants do the same.
Then, on the consumer side, we also convert much of that electricity into heat, with inefficient light bulbs, cars (thats why the engine needs a heatsink and a fan), electronic equipment, etc... If your computer uses 150W, thats 150W of heat output per hour.
Human body outputs on average ~100Wh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130884</id>
	<title>Re:Total cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266064080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did, but I'm not sure what "And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it?" means. Is that English?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did , but I 'm not sure what " And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it ?
" means .
Is that English ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did, but I'm not sure what "And will they for more remote places when North America starts doing it?
" means.
Is that English?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130060</id>
	<title>Re:Total cost</title>
	<author>gbjbaanb</author>
	<datestamp>1266056940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its in <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Billingham&amp;sll=53.800651,-4.064941&amp;sspn=20.141229,30.366211&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Billingham,+Cleveland,+United+Kingdom&amp;ll=54.569673,-1.250381&amp;spn=0.307697,0.474472&amp;t=h&amp;z=11" title="google.co.uk">Billingham</a> [google.co.uk], very near Middlesbrough. I'm only surprised they didn't put it nearer the coast, or further away from Middlesbrough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its in Billingham [ google.co.uk ] , very near Middlesbrough .
I 'm only surprised they did n't put it nearer the coast , or further away from Middlesbrough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its in Billingham [google.co.uk], very near Middlesbrough.
I'm only surprised they didn't put it nearer the coast, or further away from Middlesbrough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31131554</id>
	<title>Re: Salt Spray?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266071460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wynyard is about 10-15 miles off the coast. Salt has never been a problem for any of us that live within 3-4 miles of the sea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wynyard is about 10-15 miles off the coast .
Salt has never been a problem for any of us that live within 3-4 miles of the sea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wynyard is about 10-15 miles off the coast.
Salt has never been a problem for any of us that live within 3-4 miles of the sea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129756</id>
	<title>Using outside environment for AC. Nothing new.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266054360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is so special about this?</p><p>Toronto has been using <a href="http://www.toronto.ca/environment/initiatives/cooling.htm" title="toronto.ca" rel="nofollow">water from lake Ontario</a> [toronto.ca] to cool the downtown core for years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is so special about this ? Toronto has been using water from lake Ontario [ toronto.ca ] to cool the downtown core for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is so special about this?Toronto has been using water from lake Ontario [toronto.ca] to cool the downtown core for years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129868</id>
	<title>Hyperbole before accuracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266055260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A glacial wind comes of a glacier. That is a sea wind, a cool wind, a wind, but it is not a glacial wind.
The English have never learned about real weather. There is always talk about arctic weather if the temperatures go below zero - arctic weather is in the region of minus 20 to minus 50.
It is the north sea that gives temperate weather to Britain, keeps it warmer than continental areas at the same latitude. Ask the Russians!</htmltext>
<tokenext>A glacial wind comes of a glacier .
That is a sea wind , a cool wind , a wind , but it is not a glacial wind .
The English have never learned about real weather .
There is always talk about arctic weather if the temperatures go below zero - arctic weather is in the region of minus 20 to minus 50 .
It is the north sea that gives temperate weather to Britain , keeps it warmer than continental areas at the same latitude .
Ask the Russians !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A glacial wind comes of a glacier.
That is a sea wind, a cool wind, a wind, but it is not a glacial wind.
The English have never learned about real weather.
There is always talk about arctic weather if the temperatures go below zero - arctic weather is in the region of minus 20 to minus 50.
It is the north sea that gives temperate weather to Britain, keeps it warmer than continental areas at the same latitude.
Ask the Russians!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130196</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe the Himalayas are next . . . ?</title>
	<author>Wyatt Earp</author>
	<datestamp>1266058080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alaska will be before the Himalayas.</p><p>Theres talk about a big fibre project up here to connect the villages and hubs (Nome, Bethel, etc) fibre, cool weather and alot of NG for power would make for good data centers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alaska will be before the Himalayas.Theres talk about a big fibre project up here to connect the villages and hubs ( Nome , Bethel , etc ) fibre , cool weather and alot of NG for power would make for good data centers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alaska will be before the Himalayas.Theres talk about a big fibre project up here to connect the villages and hubs (Nome, Bethel, etc) fibre, cool weather and alot of NG for power would make for good data centers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129680</id>
	<title>North sea has melted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266053940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bad news for the story writer - global warming is so far advanced that the North Sea is no longer glaciated.</p><p>And the land bridge between England and France has been swept away by the melt water!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad news for the story writer - global warming is so far advanced that the North Sea is no longer glaciated.And the land bridge between England and France has been swept away by the melt water !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad news for the story writer - global warming is so far advanced that the North Sea is no longer glaciated.And the land bridge between England and France has been swept away by the melt water!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31131142</id>
	<title>go all the way</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1266066780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guess it's a step in the right direction though, but really not that exciting all in all. I mean cooling by means of cold breeze, BFD.
Instead of stopping at using the cold air to cool those racks they should take the full step and figure out a way to re-use the heat energy. Maybe some kind of thermocouple or Peltier system that takes advantage of the temperature difference between the hot server room and the "glacial winds". Or some kind of heat pump arrangement. Now that would be cool, pardon the pun.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess it 's a step in the right direction though , but really not that exciting all in all .
I mean cooling by means of cold breeze , BFD .
Instead of stopping at using the cold air to cool those racks they should take the full step and figure out a way to re-use the heat energy .
Maybe some kind of thermocouple or Peltier system that takes advantage of the temperature difference between the hot server room and the " glacial winds " .
Or some kind of heat pump arrangement .
Now that would be cool , pardon the pun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess it's a step in the right direction though, but really not that exciting all in all.
I mean cooling by means of cold breeze, BFD.
Instead of stopping at using the cold air to cool those racks they should take the full step and figure out a way to re-use the heat energy.
Maybe some kind of thermocouple or Peltier system that takes advantage of the temperature difference between the hot server room and the "glacial winds".
Or some kind of heat pump arrangement.
Now that would be cool, pardon the pun.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130494</id>
	<title>HP Blows...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266060600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an HP employee I have to say HP sucks donkey balls. They treat their employees like crap giving out 3 pay cuts last year while the executive board hands themselves massive bonuses. So, in short be kind and don't purchase any products from HP.</p><p>Thanks-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an HP employee I have to say HP sucks donkey balls .
They treat their employees like crap giving out 3 pay cuts last year while the executive board hands themselves massive bonuses .
So , in short be kind and do n't purchase any products from HP.Thanks-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an HP employee I have to say HP sucks donkey balls.
They treat their employees like crap giving out 3 pay cuts last year while the executive board hands themselves massive bonuses.
So, in short be kind and don't purchase any products from HP.Thanks-</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129802</id>
	<title>Warm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266054660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what happens when outside temperatures rise to above normal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what happens when outside temperatures rise to above normal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what happens when outside temperatures rise to above normal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31133186</id>
	<title>"Glacial?"</title>
	<author>Retron</author>
	<datestamp>1266139200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Glacial? Well, the North Sea off NE England is <a href="http://www.wzkarten.de/pics/Reursst.gif" title="wzkarten.de" rel="nofollow">around 6C</a> [wzkarten.de] at the moment but that's not what I'd call glacial. Last summer (not exactly a "scorcher") it reached 15C, the year before, 16C.
<br>
All of this ignores the obvious problem that the prevailing wind over the UK is a SW'ly - and thus the cooling from the sea won't really happen except in summer when sea breezes set in. Indeed, in the winter coastal areas are often warmer than inland. The recent easterlies and NE'lies over England recently have been pretty unusual, all caused by the jet stream being far to the south of usual (it's normally between Scotland and Iceland, but currently it's blasting over the Canaries and the Sahara!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Glacial ?
Well , the North Sea off NE England is around 6C [ wzkarten.de ] at the moment but that 's not what I 'd call glacial .
Last summer ( not exactly a " scorcher " ) it reached 15C , the year before , 16C .
All of this ignores the obvious problem that the prevailing wind over the UK is a SW'ly - and thus the cooling from the sea wo n't really happen except in summer when sea breezes set in .
Indeed , in the winter coastal areas are often warmer than inland .
The recent easterlies and NE'lies over England recently have been pretty unusual , all caused by the jet stream being far to the south of usual ( it 's normally between Scotland and Iceland , but currently it 's blasting over the Canaries and the Sahara !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glacial?
Well, the North Sea off NE England is around 6C [wzkarten.de] at the moment but that's not what I'd call glacial.
Last summer (not exactly a "scorcher") it reached 15C, the year before, 16C.
All of this ignores the obvious problem that the prevailing wind over the UK is a SW'ly - and thus the cooling from the sea won't really happen except in summer when sea breezes set in.
Indeed, in the winter coastal areas are often warmer than inland.
The recent easterlies and NE'lies over England recently have been pretty unusual, all caused by the jet stream being far to the south of usual (it's normally between Scotland and Iceland, but currently it's blasting over the Canaries and the Sahara!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130032</id>
	<title>Glacial Wind Heated by HP's New Data Center</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1266056700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So in other words, HP's new data center is <i>heating</i> the glacial wind. That means... they're going to melt the glaciers!!!111!</htmltext>
<tokenext>So in other words , HP 's new data center is heating the glacial wind .
That means... they 're going to melt the glaciers ! !
! 111 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So in other words, HP's new data center is heating the glacial wind.
That means... they're going to melt the glaciers!!
!111!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130414</id>
	<title>Re:Global warming?</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1266059760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, no, dissipated energy from power plants or computers is <i>not</i> what causes global warming.  They are insignificant compared to the sun.  What causes global warming is increased retention of solar energy in the atmosphere due to greenhouse gasses, such as methane and COs.  Now, the river just downstream from a nuclear power plant can certainly be warmed thus changing that little bit of the environment quite drastically, but that is not "global" warming.
<p>
As for this application specifically, even though it does expel heat into the air, it's much better than most data centers; they all eventually expel the heat into the air, but most of them use additional energy to power air conditioners, and that energy (or more importantly, the greenhouse gasses created producing that energy) go into the air too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , no , dissipated energy from power plants or computers is not what causes global warming .
They are insignificant compared to the sun .
What causes global warming is increased retention of solar energy in the atmosphere due to greenhouse gasses , such as methane and COs. Now , the river just downstream from a nuclear power plant can certainly be warmed thus changing that little bit of the environment quite drastically , but that is not " global " warming .
As for this application specifically , even though it does expel heat into the air , it 's much better than most data centers ; they all eventually expel the heat into the air , but most of them use additional energy to power air conditioners , and that energy ( or more importantly , the greenhouse gasses created producing that energy ) go into the air too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, no, dissipated energy from power plants or computers is not what causes global warming.
They are insignificant compared to the sun.
What causes global warming is increased retention of solar energy in the atmosphere due to greenhouse gasses, such as methane and COs.  Now, the river just downstream from a nuclear power plant can certainly be warmed thus changing that little bit of the environment quite drastically, but that is not "global" warming.
As for this application specifically, even though it does expel heat into the air, it's much better than most data centers; they all eventually expel the heat into the air, but most of them use additional energy to power air conditioners, and that energy (or more importantly, the greenhouse gasses created producing that energy) go into the air too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31131930</id>
	<title>warming /=/ cooling ????</title>
	<author>FragHARD</author>
	<datestamp>1266075780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems like a great way to actually warm the globe up to counteract this global warming(which is actually cooling).... but then again all this change of climate(seasons) would seem to be normal, as the weather usually does not stay the same! through the week, year, century, or millennium.<br><br>BTW Personally I think algore is a lying profiteer, but that's my opinion... or I could be like algore and say it is a proven fact<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like a great way to actually warm the globe up to counteract this global warming ( which is actually cooling ) .... but then again all this change of climate ( seasons ) would seem to be normal , as the weather usually does not stay the same !
through the week , year , century , or millennium.BTW Personally I think algore is a lying profiteer , but that 's my opinion... or I could be like algore and say it is a proven fact ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like a great way to actually warm the globe up to counteract this global warming(which is actually cooling).... but then again all this change of climate(seasons) would seem to be normal, as the weather usually does not stay the same!
through the week, year, century, or millennium.BTW Personally I think algore is a lying profiteer, but that's my opinion... or I could be like algore and say it is a proven fact ;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130994</id>
	<title>I wonder if it will still work, when...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266065280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/6/822520/-Freak-Current-Takes-Gulf-Stream-to-Greenland" title="dailykos.com">the gulf stream goes back to its normal route via Europe</a> [dailykos.com]...</p><p>I hope it does not only work because of the current exceptionally cold situation.</p><p>That would be a *DOH* of epic propotions.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the gulf stream goes back to its normal route via Europe [ dailykos.com ] ...I hope it does not only work because of the current exceptionally cold situation.That would be a * DOH * of epic propotions .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the gulf stream goes back to its normal route via Europe [dailykos.com]...I hope it does not only work because of the current exceptionally cold situation.That would be a *DOH* of epic propotions.
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31131920</id>
	<title>Re:Hyperbole before accuracy</title>
	<author>blackest\_k</author>
	<datestamp>1266075660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually I think you will find its the gulf stream which warms the UK and Ireland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I think you will find its the gulf stream which warms the UK and Ireland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I think you will find its the gulf stream which warms the UK and Ireland.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129646</id>
	<title>just a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266053700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Canada exporting cold (in whatever form) to California.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Canada exporting cold ( in whatever form ) to California .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canada exporting cold (in whatever form) to California.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31133512</id>
	<title>Glacial?</title>
	<author>prof alan</author>
	<datestamp>1266146580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suppose it could be said to be a glacial wind if it is from the North East, and thus blowing from Norway. After all the nearest glaciers in that direction are only 700km away...<p> I note, however, that the link is to an Australian site, so by their standards it is pretty cold in this part of the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose it could be said to be a glacial wind if it is from the North East , and thus blowing from Norway .
After all the nearest glaciers in that direction are only 700km away... I note , however , that the link is to an Australian site , so by their standards it is pretty cold in this part of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose it could be said to be a glacial wind if it is from the North East, and thus blowing from Norway.
After all the nearest glaciers in that direction are only 700km away... I note, however, that the link is to an Australian site, so by their standards it is pretty cold in this part of the world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129726</id>
	<title>Glacial...</title>
	<author>fremsley471</author>
	<datestamp>1266054240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The mean annual ambient temperature outside the data-centre is about 9.5 C. Glacial, by definition, is an annual average below 0 C
<p>
Source: <a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ukmapavge.html#" title="metoffice.gov.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ukmapavge.html#</a> [metoffice.gov.uk], although you'll have to do the last few clicks to get the correct chart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The mean annual ambient temperature outside the data-centre is about 9.5 C. Glacial , by definition , is an annual average below 0 C Source : http : //www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ukmapavge.html # [ metoffice.gov.uk ] , although you 'll have to do the last few clicks to get the correct chart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mean annual ambient temperature outside the data-centre is about 9.5 C. Glacial, by definition, is an annual average below 0 C

Source: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ukmapavge.html# [metoffice.gov.uk], although you'll have to do the last few clicks to get the correct chart.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130416</id>
	<title>Re:For anyone else who thinks 24 deg sounds hot</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1266059760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>75.2 isn't much hotter than I keep my datacenter where the setpoint is 72+2, ie the compressors run until they get the room to 72 and then don't kick in again till it gets to 74.</htmltext>
<tokenext>75.2 is n't much hotter than I keep my datacenter where the setpoint is 72 + 2 , ie the compressors run until they get the room to 72 and then do n't kick in again till it gets to 74 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>75.2 isn't much hotter than I keep my datacenter where the setpoint is 72+2, ie the compressors run until they get the room to 72 and then don't kick in again till it gets to 74.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129884</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130262</id>
	<title>Not a new concept</title>
	<author>stickytar</author>
	<datestamp>1266058740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have been doing this in Montana for a long time.  When the AC units get frozen over we start pumping filtered air from the outside into the server room.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have been doing this in Montana for a long time .
When the AC units get frozen over we start pumping filtered air from the outside into the server room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have been doing this in Montana for a long time.
When the AC units get frozen over we start pumping filtered air from the outside into the server room.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129688</id>
	<title>Glacial?</title>
	<author>miasmic</author>
	<datestamp>1266053940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While people who live in the North East of England would probably say the wind "were a bit chilly" most of the year, the nearest glaciers to Billingham would be in Norway, not exactly close enough to influence weather patterns...</htmltext>
<tokenext>While people who live in the North East of England would probably say the wind " were a bit chilly " most of the year , the nearest glaciers to Billingham would be in Norway , not exactly close enough to influence weather patterns.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While people who live in the North East of England would probably say the wind "were a bit chilly" most of the year, the nearest glaciers to Billingham would be in Norway, not exactly close enough to influence weather patterns...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129850</id>
	<title>Re:Total cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266055080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Up there? It's not in the wilds of the arctic. My office is about 4 miles away from the place, and there is a very nice pub next to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Up there ?
It 's not in the wilds of the arctic .
My office is about 4 miles away from the place , and there is a very nice pub next to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Up there?
It's not in the wilds of the arctic.
My office is about 4 miles away from the place, and there is a very nice pub next to it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129670</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130206</id>
	<title>FIRST</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266058200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>consistent with t4e is the worst oof it transforms into are 7000 users</htmltext>
<tokenext>consistent with t4e is the worst oof it transforms into are 7000 users</tokentext>
<sentencetext>consistent with t4e is the worst oof it transforms into are 7000 users</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130572</id>
	<title>Re:Global warming?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266061140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Is it just me or does anyone else think that a great contributor to global warming is the method with which we create and consume power.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes. Especially the burning of fossil fuels. However, it's not the heat generated; that is negligible compared to the energy the sun delivers all the time. The problem is that the CO2 we release into the atmosphere reduces the amount of solar heat the earth can give back into space.</p><blockquote><div><p>We produce most of the electricity with steam and that steam needs to cool off before it can become steam again.</p></div></blockquote><p>It doesn't matter whether we use steam. Whenever we want to convert heat into work (and that is what all those power plants do, with the exception of wind power; it's BTW also what your car's motor does), we have to release some of the energy as heat into rthe environment again. That's just a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics. However, note that the heat released in that process is less than the heat produced by the original process (i.e. burning coal, or splitting atomic nuclei); the difference is the usable energy we get from the process.</p><p>Now if we want to escape the second law of thermodynamics, we need to find ways to use the energy stored in the fuels without turning it into heat. For example, currently to make use of the energy released by the chemical reaction of carbon with oxygen, we simply burn the coal (which produces heat), and then we use a heat engine to convert part of that energy into usable energy (and the second law of thermodynamics tells us that at the very moment we turned the energy to heat, we already lost the ability to use all of it). If we would find a way to convert the chemical energy into electric energy without first converting it to heat, the second law of thermodynamics wouldn't come into play, and in principle we could get higher efficiencies than thermodynamics allows.</p><blockquote><div><p>Then, on the consumer side, we also convert much of that electricity into heat, with inefficient light bulbs, cars (thats why the engine needs a heatsink and a fan), electronic equipment, etc... If your computer uses 150W, thats 150W of heat output per hour. Human body outputs on average ~100Wh.</p></div></blockquote><p>The car needs a heat sink because it's a heat engine. It's the second law of thermodynamics striking again.<br>Also note that the 100W are just the human output if you are doing nothing. As soon as you do physical work, the heat output grows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or does anyone else think that a great contributor to global warming is the method with which we create and consume power.Yes .
Especially the burning of fossil fuels .
However , it 's not the heat generated ; that is negligible compared to the energy the sun delivers all the time .
The problem is that the CO2 we release into the atmosphere reduces the amount of solar heat the earth can give back into space.We produce most of the electricity with steam and that steam needs to cool off before it can become steam again.It does n't matter whether we use steam .
Whenever we want to convert heat into work ( and that is what all those power plants do , with the exception of wind power ; it 's BTW also what your car 's motor does ) , we have to release some of the energy as heat into rthe environment again .
That 's just a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics .
However , note that the heat released in that process is less than the heat produced by the original process ( i.e .
burning coal , or splitting atomic nuclei ) ; the difference is the usable energy we get from the process.Now if we want to escape the second law of thermodynamics , we need to find ways to use the energy stored in the fuels without turning it into heat .
For example , currently to make use of the energy released by the chemical reaction of carbon with oxygen , we simply burn the coal ( which produces heat ) , and then we use a heat engine to convert part of that energy into usable energy ( and the second law of thermodynamics tells us that at the very moment we turned the energy to heat , we already lost the ability to use all of it ) .
If we would find a way to convert the chemical energy into electric energy without first converting it to heat , the second law of thermodynamics would n't come into play , and in principle we could get higher efficiencies than thermodynamics allows.Then , on the consumer side , we also convert much of that electricity into heat , with inefficient light bulbs , cars ( thats why the engine needs a heatsink and a fan ) , electronic equipment , etc... If your computer uses 150W , thats 150W of heat output per hour .
Human body outputs on average ~ 100Wh.The car needs a heat sink because it 's a heat engine .
It 's the second law of thermodynamics striking again.Also note that the 100W are just the human output if you are doing nothing .
As soon as you do physical work , the heat output grows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or does anyone else think that a great contributor to global warming is the method with which we create and consume power.Yes.
Especially the burning of fossil fuels.
However, it's not the heat generated; that is negligible compared to the energy the sun delivers all the time.
The problem is that the CO2 we release into the atmosphere reduces the amount of solar heat the earth can give back into space.We produce most of the electricity with steam and that steam needs to cool off before it can become steam again.It doesn't matter whether we use steam.
Whenever we want to convert heat into work (and that is what all those power plants do, with the exception of wind power; it's BTW also what your car's motor does), we have to release some of the energy as heat into rthe environment again.
That's just a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics.
However, note that the heat released in that process is less than the heat produced by the original process (i.e.
burning coal, or splitting atomic nuclei); the difference is the usable energy we get from the process.Now if we want to escape the second law of thermodynamics, we need to find ways to use the energy stored in the fuels without turning it into heat.
For example, currently to make use of the energy released by the chemical reaction of carbon with oxygen, we simply burn the coal (which produces heat), and then we use a heat engine to convert part of that energy into usable energy (and the second law of thermodynamics tells us that at the very moment we turned the energy to heat, we already lost the ability to use all of it).
If we would find a way to convert the chemical energy into electric energy without first converting it to heat, the second law of thermodynamics wouldn't come into play, and in principle we could get higher efficiencies than thermodynamics allows.Then, on the consumer side, we also convert much of that electricity into heat, with inefficient light bulbs, cars (thats why the engine needs a heatsink and a fan), electronic equipment, etc... If your computer uses 150W, thats 150W of heat output per hour.
Human body outputs on average ~100Wh.The car needs a heat sink because it's a heat engine.
It's the second law of thermodynamics striking again.Also note that the 100W are just the human output if you are doing nothing.
As soon as you do physical work, the heat output grows.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129630</id>
	<title>Sounds cold!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266053580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chilly</p><p>Also fp</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ChillyAlso fp</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ChillyAlso fp</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130616</id>
	<title>Re:Glacial?</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1266061560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Glacial obviously just means `cold`, in this context.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glacial obviously just means ` cold ` , in this context .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glacial obviously just means `cold`, in this context.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31133582</id>
	<title>All the hype</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1266147720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is so much hot air in data centers these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is so much hot air in data centers these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is so much hot air in data centers these days.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130404</id>
	<title>Re:Global warming?</title>
	<author>psycho12345</author>
	<datestamp>1266059700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm, hate to break it to you, but both creating and consuming power can't defy thermodynamics, specifically 2nd law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , hate to break it to you , but both creating and consuming power ca n't defy thermodynamics , specifically 2nd law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, hate to break it to you, but both creating and consuming power can't defy thermodynamics, specifically 2nd law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129920</id>
	<title>Salt Spray?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266055740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        Air blowing over sea water usually contains quite a bit of salt. I wonder how they will deal with the salt. People who live on beach front homes are versed in repair costs to their homes and cars from salt ait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Air blowing over sea water usually contains quite a bit of salt .
I wonder how they will deal with the salt .
People who live on beach front homes are versed in repair costs to their homes and cars from salt ait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        Air blowing over sea water usually contains quite a bit of salt.
I wonder how they will deal with the salt.
People who live on beach front homes are versed in repair costs to their homes and cars from salt ait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31131100</id>
	<title>Re:just a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266066300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Canada exporting cold (in whatever form) to California.</p></div><p>But we <i>already</i> sent you Celine Dion<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Canada exporting cold ( in whatever form ) to California.But we already sent you Celine Dion .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canada exporting cold (in whatever form) to California.But we already sent you Celine Dion ...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130116</id>
	<title>Re:Total cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266057540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did no one read the second sentence in my post?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did no one read the second sentence in my post ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did no one read the second sentence in my post?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31131240</id>
	<title>Artic my a$$</title>
	<author>viking80</author>
	<datestamp>1266067800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live across the north sea from the datacenter in a place called Norway. Where this ice cold wind supposedly blows from, and it aint here. As has been well known since the vikings raided that part of England, the winds actually blows *from* England *to* Norway 95\% of the time. And here in Norway, it is a warm wet wind blowing from England, and it dumps a lot of rain in western Norway. The result is that even at 61 deg north, the winters are mostly rain, not snow. And in the summers, the ocean temperature is higher than Santa Cruz, CA. Compare that to Anchorage, AK at same latitude!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live across the north sea from the datacenter in a place called Norway .
Where this ice cold wind supposedly blows from , and it aint here .
As has been well known since the vikings raided that part of England , the winds actually blows * from * England * to * Norway 95 \ % of the time .
And here in Norway , it is a warm wet wind blowing from England , and it dumps a lot of rain in western Norway .
The result is that even at 61 deg north , the winters are mostly rain , not snow .
And in the summers , the ocean temperature is higher than Santa Cruz , CA .
Compare that to Anchorage , AK at same latitude !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live across the north sea from the datacenter in a place called Norway.
Where this ice cold wind supposedly blows from, and it aint here.
As has been well known since the vikings raided that part of England, the winds actually blows *from* England *to* Norway 95\% of the time.
And here in Norway, it is a warm wet wind blowing from England, and it dumps a lot of rain in western Norway.
The result is that even at 61 deg north, the winters are mostly rain, not snow.
And in the summers, the ocean temperature is higher than Santa Cruz, CA.
Compare that to Anchorage, AK at same latitude!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31132472</id>
	<title>Re:HP Blows...</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1266083220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other words, try to hurt your company and make it even less successful, thereby ensuring that your workday blows even harder than it already does? Uh... okay, if that's what you want...</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , try to hurt your company and make it even less successful , thereby ensuring that your workday blows even harder than it already does ?
Uh... okay , if that 's what you want.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, try to hurt your company and make it even less successful, thereby ensuring that your workday blows even harder than it already does?
Uh... okay, if that's what you want...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31129900</id>
	<title>Bad call!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266055620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They'll overheat and burn down within next three decades.  HP must be creationists and IPCC denialists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll overheat and burn down within next three decades .
HP must be creationists and IPCC denialists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll overheat and burn down within next three decades.
HP must be creationists and IPCC denialists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130978</id>
	<title>Al Gore was right</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1266065100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man really is causing global warming.</p><p>All those x64 boxes would make the planet Mercury look like a winter wonderland. Now, if they just switched to ARM chips.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man really is causing global warming.All those x64 boxes would make the planet Mercury look like a winter wonderland .
Now , if they just switched to ARM chips.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man really is causing global warming.All those x64 boxes would make the planet Mercury look like a winter wonderland.
Now, if they just switched to ARM chips.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130200</id>
	<title>Re:Total cost</title>
	<author>Sottilde</author>
	<datestamp>1266058140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, they totally botched the definition of PUE - a PUE score of 1.2 means that for every 1.2 watts delivered to the data center, 1 watt of it goes directly into powering the equipment itself and is not maintenance money, like UPSs, cooling, battery backups, etc.  So ~83\% of power going in is used directly for the IT equipment itself.  That's fantastic; the typical data center runs about 2.5 PUE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , they totally botched the definition of PUE - a PUE score of 1.2 means that for every 1.2 watts delivered to the data center , 1 watt of it goes directly into powering the equipment itself and is not maintenance money , like UPSs , cooling , battery backups , etc .
So ~ 83 \ % of power going in is used directly for the IT equipment itself .
That 's fantastic ; the typical data center runs about 2.5 PUE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, they totally botched the definition of PUE - a PUE score of 1.2 means that for every 1.2 watts delivered to the data center, 1 watt of it goes directly into powering the equipment itself and is not maintenance money, like UPSs, cooling, battery backups, etc.
So ~83\% of power going in is used directly for the IT equipment itself.
That's fantastic; the typical data center runs about 2.5 PUE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_2011223.31130040</id>
	<title>Not in TFA: It has a 12-foot raised floor</title>
	<author>miller60</author>
	<datestamp>1266056760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The source article misses some of the coolest design features of this facility. It has the equivalent of a <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/03/a-12-foot-raised-floor/" title="datacenterknowledge.com">12-foot high raised floor</a> [datacenterknowledge.com], using the entire lower level of the facility as a cooling plenum. The fans bring the cool North Sea air into the lower chamber, and they manage the pressure to direct the air up into the server area. There's also a <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9154858/HP\_opens\_first\_ever\_wind\_cooled\_data\_center?taxonomyId=154&amp;pageNumber=1" title="computerworld.com">Computerworld story</a> [computerworld.com] with more details but an erroneous headline that suggests that it's the "first-ever" wind cooled data center. The story makes it clear that the facility has chillers as backup for when the wind dies down or air temperature doesn't support free cooling. Both <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/09/24/microsofts-chiller-less-data-center/" title="datacenterknowledge.com">Microsoft</a> [datacenterknowledge.com] and <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/15/2220249/Googles-Chiller-Less-Data-Center" title="slashdot.org">Google</a> [slashdot.org] are already running data centers with no on-site chillers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The source article misses some of the coolest design features of this facility .
It has the equivalent of a 12-foot high raised floor [ datacenterknowledge.com ] , using the entire lower level of the facility as a cooling plenum .
The fans bring the cool North Sea air into the lower chamber , and they manage the pressure to direct the air up into the server area .
There 's also a Computerworld story [ computerworld.com ] with more details but an erroneous headline that suggests that it 's the " first-ever " wind cooled data center .
The story makes it clear that the facility has chillers as backup for when the wind dies down or air temperature does n't support free cooling .
Both Microsoft [ datacenterknowledge.com ] and Google [ slashdot.org ] are already running data centers with no on-site chillers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The source article misses some of the coolest design features of this facility.
It has the equivalent of a 12-foot high raised floor [datacenterknowledge.com], using the entire lower level of the facility as a cooling plenum.
The fans bring the cool North Sea air into the lower chamber, and they manage the pressure to direct the air up into the server area.
There's also a Computerworld story [computerworld.com] with more details but an erroneous headline that suggests that it's the "first-ever" wind cooled data center.
The story makes it clear that the facility has chillers as backup for when the wind dies down or air temperature doesn't support free cooling.
Both Microsoft [datacenterknowledge.com] and Google [slashdot.org] are already running data centers with no on-site chillers.</sentencetext>
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